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Wed, Aug 8, 2007 at 5:02:52 pm PDT

There was a real bombshell of a revelation yesterday in the Hamas funding trial in Dallas, as an FBI agent testified about the roots of the Council on American Islamic Relations: Counterterrorism Blog: CAIR Identified by the FBI as part of the Muslim Brotherhood’s Palestine Committee.

Dallas—In testimony Tuesday, FBI Agent Lara Burns reported before the jury in the Holy Land Foundation (HLF) trial that the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) was listed as a member of the Muslim Brotherhood’s Palestine Committee, right alongside HLF, the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP), and the United Association for Studies and Research (UASR). Agent Lara Burns further testified that CAIR received money from HLF - a claim that Nihad Awad blatantly denied in a congressional testimony in September of 2003.

Burns also said that both Omar Ahmed and Nihad Awad, CAIR co-founders who today serve as CAIR’s chairman emeritus and executive director, respectively, were also listed as individual members [of] the Brotherhood’s Palestine Committee in America.

Awad and Ahmed are further connected to the Palestine Committee based on their positions as president and public relations director of the IAP, a Hamas front group that was responsible for the dissemination of propaganda, and has since been closed down as a result of a multi-million dollar civil judgment in a trial involving the murder of an American teenager by HAMAS terrorists.

CAIR, which touts itself as America’s premier Muslim civil rights organization, was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the trial. Burns’ testimony so far has placed both Ahmed and Awad at a 1993 Philadelphia meeting where the HAMAS members and supporters discussed a strategy to kill the Oslo Peace Accords, which threatened to marginalize HAMAS. The group also discussed ways to improve HAMAS fundraising in America.

Government testimony regarding the role of CAIR reflects the prosecution’s attempt to prove that the HAMAS network in America was established through the Palestine Committee, or what the indictment called “a sub-group of active Muslim Brotherhood members of Palestinian origin.” The leader of this Committee was Musa Abu Marzook, a Specially Designated Terrorist since 1995, and Hamas’ current Deputy Political Bureau Chief. Through this committee, a number of organizations were established to promote HAMAS politically and financially, including HLF, IAP and UASR.

It’s disgraceful how little coverage this hugely important trial is receiving in mainstream media. Read the whole report at Counterterrorism Blog; it’s incredibly damning stuff.

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1 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:04:15pm
2 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:04:18pm

Why haven't they been indicted themselves?

3 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:05:15pm

Well, the Koran is pretty damming stuff.

4 inkling  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:05:36pm

"But wait! Look over there! Acid Bomb!"

5 DocDublU  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:05:38pm

the lead story on tonite's 5pm local Fox Phoenix newscast is the 'flying imam' acid-bomb incident.

the trotted out a CAIR spokesman to 'comment' on the hate crime

"all faiths committ violence' was his rap.

oy.

6 Outrider  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:08:15pm

(idly wondering how much coverage this story will get in the msm)

7 akak  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:09:09pm

I personally am shocked...

8 mondoreb  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:09:38pm

So while CAIR sues any American who breathes over RoP comments, they consort with Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas!?

Sounds about right for a moderate US Muslim group.

9 Mambo Bananapatch  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:09:44pm

I don't know how these CAIR officials talk to the media with a straight face. It must be very difficult for them not to laugh out loud as they speak to reporters, knowing as they do that their lies will be obediently repeated, and their dirty laundry will be concealed.

10 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:10:44pm
11 akak  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:10:45pm

Muslim Brotherhood...how can I help you?

George ... how bout those Rangers?

12 Connecticut Yankee  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:10:50pm

Only a little OT: Ibrahim Hooper is quoted in an article about a murder case in Philadelphia. Married couple converted to Islam about 20 years ago and received $8 million in 2005 in a medical malpractice suit. Husband decides to take a second wife in Morocco. Husband found shot dead on Sunday, the day before he was to go to Morocco to pick up wife #2. Wife #1 not ruled out as killer.

Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said that a minority of Muslims take second wives, and that Islamic scholars would differ on whether one could do so while living in the United States.

Link: [Link: www.courttv.com...]

13 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:10:54pm

Is the FBI just biding its time? Is a grand jury deliberating now? Soon?

14 jcm  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:12:39pm

Can we call them terrorists now?

15 mondoreb  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:12:41pm

re: #9 Mambo Bananapatch

During your typical MSM CAIR interview:
CAIR tries hard not to laugh, and
The MSM tries hard not to bleat.

16 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:12:44pm

re: #12 Connecticut Yankee

Islamic scholars are debating? Catch a clue, you freakin' morons. Bigamy is ILLEGAL in the U.S..

17 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:12:50pm

Anyone in the msm going to cair for a quote should be ashamed.

18 Salem  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:13:57pm

PANTS!

19 Nannette  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:15:10pm

Now that the shoe is on the other foot, everyone who CAIR has managed to get lawsuits against, should file suits against them, seeing as they're officially recognised as supporters of terror...

20 rokbassist  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:16:17pm

No surprise the MSM will ignore this. When bombs are going off at Baskin-Robins 31 flavors, they'll still ignore the roots of this terrorism. When folks are having their throats slit in public places, they'll still ignore it. By the time they do realize what's going on, it will be far beyond too late. It is up to sites like this and people like us to continue to publicize what's going on. Remember, thousands of Jews still refused to leave Germany in the 1930's, despite what was going on. Some people just refuse to believe stuff like this happens, even when it happens to them.

I recall a time in the 1980s when I was on Midway Island. A gooney bird (Laysan Albatross, for those detail-oriented) was in the process of being crushed by a vehicle tire, yet it just sat there, eyes bulging out, refusing to believe that it was about to be crushed to death. I finally had to yell at the driver to stop, grabbed this incredibly stupid bird by the neck, and move it out of the way. I'm sure even after I saved its sorry ass, it still had no clue what had just happened. I envision most liberals in the same light.

21 Thanos  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:18:47pm

re: #2 Sharmuta

Why haven't they been indicted themselves?


Their time will come.

22 Carridine  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:20:18pm

"Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said that a minority of Muslims take second wives, and that Islamic scholars would differ on whether one could do so while living in the United States."

Then those 'Islamic scholars' publicly exhibit the depths and extent of their IGNORANCE, because it is illegal to engage in polygamy in the US!

AND Baha'u'llah has forbidden polygamy and polyandry for this Day, while reinforcing the necessity for obedience to our civil government.

23 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:21:05pm
24 little blessing  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:21:30pm

re: #21 Thanos

Not soon enough.

25 grumpy old codger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:21:34pm

Paging Dr. Taqiyya, paging dr. Taqiyya!
When will we smarten up?

26 Thanos  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:22:06pm

OT:
The AQ who killed the people at the temple of the moon are now toast:

Yemeni forces have killed 4 Qaeda militants, says president

SANAA: Yemeni security forces on Wednesday killed four Al Qaeda militants involved in a bombing that killed eight Spanish tourists and two Yemenis last month, President Ali Abdullah Saleh said on Wednesday.

The militants were killed when forces raided a hideout near the city of Marib, about 150 km (95 miles) east of the capital Sanaa, in the early hours of Wednesday, security sources said. Two troops were wounded in the raid. A security source had said on Friday that authorities were looking for nine people suspected of involvement in the attack, including a Saudi citizen.

A 21-year-old Yemeni man, Abdou Mohammad Rahiqa, carried out the suicide bombing at the Queen of Sheba Temple in Marib. Yemen has previously said its security forces killed an Egyptian who helped mastermind the attack. Yemen has offered a $75,500 reward for information leading to the capture of the people responsible for the attack.

Al Qaeda issued a statement days before the attack demanding the release of some of its members jailed in Yemen and threatened unspecified action.

Yemen, the ancestral home of Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, is viewed in the West as a haven for Islamist militants. It has seen several major bombings.

One of the poorest countries outside Africa, Yemen has been trying to encourage tourists put off by kidnappings and bombings and boost foreign investment as its oil resources dwindle. reuters

27 Perplexed  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:23:27pm
28 desertdweller  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:23:47pm

CAIR's deflection tactics will never survive the bright light of day.

I expect the powers behind the people at CAIR are plotting a "son-of-CAIR" organization already, whose association with the true puppeteers will be even harder to prove.

29 grumpy old codger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:24:40pm

re: #26 Thanos

BTW, look for increasing problems as the water table in Yemen disappears and the population of Yemen looks to the north (think KSA) for a solution. Oh, and desalinization will not solve the problem.

30 Carridine  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:24:49pm

re: #25 grumpy old codger

Paging Dr. Taqiyya, paging dr. Taqiyya!
When will we smarten up?

Grumpy, to smarten up, just call the law offices of Taqqiyyah, Kitman and Lyres, Attornies at Shari-ah Law!

31 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:25:46pm
CAIR: Part of the Muslim Brotherhood's Palestine Committee

And just think- they also fund congressional campaigns. Lovely.

32 Ma Sands  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:25:49pm

Hmmm...I had been under the impression that C.A.I.R. was "laying low" while this trial was going on...but, the big noise they made today about those "acid bombs" makes me puzzled...you'd think, for any rational people, to say of them, "Have they no shame?" ...but with these people, there is quite some different reality going on...

33 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:25:50pm

Hooper will whine, but I'll drink to CAIR's demise. Cheers!

34 ciaospirit  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:26:16pm

And then there's this. Smell the coffee, folks.

Muslims garner 2 of top 3 spots on Hamtramck council ballot

In a display of their emerging political power, Muslims were two of the top three vote-getters in Tuesday’s primary election in Hamtramck for City Council.

35 grumpy old codger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:27:05pm

re: #30 Carridine
I'llut them on speed dial!

36 grumpy old codger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:27:47pm

#35 PIMF Illut should be I'll put

37 socalinfidel  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:28:25pm

This makes Rep. Ellison look really bad...wait till his constituents get aload of this!

38 Ma Sands  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:28:46pm

re: #26 Thanos

Yemen, for survival, is getting rationally tough. Good on them!

39 ciaospirit  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:28:56pm

re: #12 Connecticut Yankee

Only a little OT: Ibrahim Hooper is quoted in an article about a murder case in Philadelphia. Married couple converted to Islam about 20 years ago and received $8 million in 2005 in a medical malpractice suit. Husband decides to take a second wife in Morocco. Husband found shot dead on Sunday, the day before he was to go to Morocco to pick up wife #2. Wife #1 not ruled out as killer.

Notice that he knows the laws of the U.S. and was going to pick up wife #2 anyway. Sharia first!

40 FrogMarch  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:29:06pm

OT: the Chinese communists are alot like the American democrats:
state run media... and all they have to do is pronouce it's "green" and *snap* -- it's green!

[Link: jamesfallows.theatlantic.com...]

41 Ma Sands  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:29:56pm

re: #28 desertdweller

So, what happens to poor Mr. Hooper then...?

/ ):

42 mickthemick  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:32:38pm

re: #41 Ma Sands

re: #28 desertdweller

So, what happens to poor Mr. Hooper then...?

/ ):

Hopefully, he goes back to the market on Sesame St. and gets out of the grievance racket all together. Either that, or he just joins the ACLU as its in-house "Islamophobia" attack dog.

//this is tagged, but I admit the latter scenario is plausible.

43 Ma Sands  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:34:02pm

re: #34 ciaospirit

Push...push...push...
It's like an unending game of King of the Mountain...
Gates of Fire...

44 whiterasta  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:35:53pm

Well, color me surprised! (NOT!)

45 Born Again Republican  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:36:44pm

re: #22 Carridine

Seems to me it's more arrogance than ignorance. They know our laws and they're just wondering how far they're willing to push the envelope.

46 Thanos  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:37:13pm

The Nepalese Communists are shutting down FM stations as I type too. Yes, the elections will be free and fair, after all Jimmah was there... ///

47 Ma Sands  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:37:49pm

re: #42 mickthemick

Well...his face has been on tv & internet video so frequently, I would figure him to be a liability when C.A.I.R. finally gets indicted...

48 Thanos  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:38:30pm

Grumpy:

Why wouldn't desal work?

49 Ma Sands  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:38:57pm

re: #46 Thanos

Good beginning to a poem! :)

50 NiceLass  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:39:04pm

re: #27 Perplexed

Can we begin the RICO indictments? Speaking of indictments a kosling got caught with his hand in the SEC cookiejar.

LOL
Culture of Corruption, anyone?

51 WimbledonWomble  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:40:41pm

CAIR is a subversive organization funded by hostile foreign supporters. There is not other way around this. CAIR's patina of legitimacy a huge disgrace to the Bush administration and all other political entities that do not unequivocally condemn and move to outlaw this organization. Allowing CAIR to even operate, much less accepting CAIR as the mouthpiece of 1,700 US Muslims plus a dozen very rich Gulf State Wahhabis - er, I mean, the largest Muslim civil rights organization in America - is an affront to every thinking person. The sCAIR entity is devoted to the destruction of America's constitution and the implementation of Sharia law. All politicians, Democrat or Republican, that deal with this entity should be voted out of office. Maybe with enough pressure, Congress will make it illegal for subversive anti-American organizations like this to operate on foreign funding. Can you imagine a German Nazi party in America in 1944 allowed to operate with obscenely generous funds from Germany? Yet this is precisely what CAIR is.

52 gop_patriot  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:41:12pm

re: #10 song_and_dance_man

Shots of Taqiyya numbs the reality.

I'm thinking this would make a good rotating title...

53 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:41:21pm
54 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:41:34pm
55 tex68  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:42:02pm

What's new!

56 Thanos  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:42:13pm

Another OT, sorry but this is almost a flying pig moment -- the UN gets something right:

UN body accuses Pakistani govt of ‘religious apartheid’

NEW DELHI: A UN recognised human rights group here on Wednesday accused the Pakistani government of committing “religious apartheid” and practising “rampant discrimination based on the ethnic, linguistic and racial identities”.

Releasing a 62-page report, the Asian Centre for Human Rights (ACHR) sought interventions from the United Nations Committee on the International Convention Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (CERD) against the trial of minorities accused of blasphemy in anti-terror courts in Pakistan. Addressing a news conference, ACHR Director Suhas Chakma said Pakistan had surpassed Sri Lanka in incidents of “disappearances” in the world.

The CERD has taken strong exceptions to the Pakistani government’s failure to submit five periodic reports since January 1998. It has recently decided to consider the situation on August 14 without waiting for a report from Pakistan.

The report titled ‘Pakistan: The land of religious apartheid and jackboot justice,’ prepared for the UN body, has alleged that Islamabad is providing preferential treatment to the majority Muslims and targeting religious minorities systematically under the blasphemy laws.

Chakma called for the rule of law in FATA, and demanded an institutionalised justice system in conformity with international standards in these areas. “Though Christians, Hindus and Ahmadis constitute only slightly more than four percent of the total Pakistan population, they have been disproportionate victims of blasphemy laws,” says the report.

At least 16 Christians were booked under blasphemy laws from January to June 2007, and amongst 25 people tried for blasphemy in 2005, 16 were Christians. In 2006, out of 48 cases registered with police, 27 involved Muslims, 10 Christians and 11 Ahmadis.

Citing the case of five Ahmadi children, including 11-year Nusrat Jahan and eight-year Umair Ahmad, under Section 17 of the Maintenance of Public Order Ordinance, Chakma called these the worst forms of human rights violations. The report further said that Hindus were also regularly targeted in Pakistan. iftikhar gilani

57 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:42:26pm

re: #50 NiceLass

Also see: Koskidz hate fags...
BREAKING: Closeted Homosexual Matt Drudge slams DailyKos

58 tex68  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:43:31pm

When will this country use RICO statues to put these asshats in jail and then next the ACLU!

59 Thanos  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:43:58pm

"Jackboot Justice"

The term has been very popular of late by the socialists in Pak, used mostly in reference to Musharraf.

60 Idle Drifter  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:44:19pm

This is proof why conspiracies can't last, 9/11 Troofers start taking notes. These people thought that they could make history through covert actions that supplied aide to dangerous, fascist organizations to help Hamas's war against Israel and America. While Israel has a shooting war on it's hands, America is engaged in an information war that hopes to country ignorant in order to raise funds from useful idiots as well as propaganda support from the same stock of socialist leaning fools too engaged in their loathing of America and Israel to realize their just pawns to be crushed under a bulldozer.

"Follow the money." CAIR has been too zealous in trying to silence critics and they failed to notice that their cards are visible in the mirror behind the bar. I'm anxious to know more of these groups and how many more will find themselves in court on felony charges.

61 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:44:55pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

Those paragons of moral virtue and tolerance are at it again.

62 grumpy old codger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:45:45pm

Why only Pakistan? Why not the Magic Kingdom or any other of these moslime countries?

63 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:45:57pm

The media response to these allegations about their favorite Muslim advocacy group, if any, will just be to blame it all on the "fog" of the WoT. As in, Who can tell the good guys from the bad guys anymore. Then they'll question why BushCo designated so many philanthropic organizations as terrorists.

64 Roger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:46:36pm

An Iraqi Interpreter’s Story - By Michael J. Totten

Unbelievable read! The progressive in this country [USA] have much to answer for.

65 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:47:31pm

re: #64 Roger

The progressive in this country [USA] have much to answer for.

Yeah, but not much to answer with..

66 Connecticut Yankee  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:48:30pm

re: #39 ciaospirit

I noticed that little item when I read the article. I think it's also interesting that the husband quit his job as a plumber after they got the $8 million from the malpractice suit, the couple bought an expensive house in a Philly suburb, and then the husband decides he also wants a second (trophy?) wife.

67 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:49:15pm
68 Opinionated  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:49:48pm

"We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam. We've seen it in many ways".

69 Ma Sands  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:52:36pm

re: #66 Connecticut Yankee

In a troubled way, there is a bit of hope therein, though, I think --a woman in the U.S. now, and glad of its freedoms...responding as many another free woman has, here, to infidelity... ):

70 ciaospirit  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:52:58pm

re: #66 Connecticut Yankee

re: #39 ciaospirit

I noticed that little item when I read the article. I think it's also interesting that the husband quit his job as a plumber after they got the $8 million from the malpractice suit, the couple bought an expensive house in a Philly suburb, and then the husband decides he also wants a second (trophy?) wife.

Do you know why they sued? Any details?

71 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:53:10pm

Last time I saw the Dallas skyline, it didn't look quite like this. . . another CAIR subliminal.

72 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:54:34pm

re: #65 Mich-again

From Roger's link. Hammer is the nickname for the interpreter.

MJT: Is there a solution to the problem in this country?

Hammer: Nuke Iraq.

MJT: Be serious.

Hammer: I am serious...

Yow. Tough talk coming from one of the locals.

73 Perplexed  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:55:13pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

re: #50 NiceLass

Also see: Koskidz hate fags...
BREAKING: Closeted Homosexual Matt Drudge slams DailyKos

Where is the celebration of diversity? Where is the forgiveness and caring that liberals always profess? Looks like they've become what they accuse conservatives of being (narrow minded and intolerant).

In other words koslings = extreme right wingers. They completed the circle.

74 grumpy old codger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:56:43pm

re: #67 song_and_dance_man
I never realized or noticed that I had been deleted before for referring to them as such. however, if it is considered outside the limit, I'll withdraw it. I fail to see, however, where it might be more offensive than some of the other references i've seen made to them. If i offended you, or the site, i apologize.

75 Ma Sands  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:57:20pm

re: #70 ciaospirit

You know, you have made something click in my mind...my neighbor across the back fence told me yesterday that his Mom died last month...he said she had been going to have an operation for stomach ulcers -- and at the hospital they gave her two units of the wrong kind of blood, and it killed her...it occurs to me now, I wonder if my neighbor will receive recompense...

76 stevieray  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:57:25pm

I am not a lawyer, but I shall play one here anyway.

I think the reason CAIR has not been indicted yet is becoming clearer by the day. The Feds can treat them like a pinata, and CAIR has little recourse except to run to the media. They don't get to cross-examine anyone in court, and they don't have access to the evidence against them (through discovery) that an indictment would allow. They are taking a beating, and they cannot really say much without turning the media spotlight fully on this case... something CAIR wants to avoid. They also wish to keep some daylight between themselves and the defendants for obvious reasons, but the Feds seem to have a lot of evidence against people tied to both the defendants and CAIR, so they are taking hits by proxy.

The Feds may be smarter than I thought.

What do you guys think about this?

77 bunker buster  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:57:26pm

It's probably too much to hope that CAIR will get designated as a terrorist organization.

78 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:58:31pm

re: #73 Perplexed

Looks like they've become what they accuse conservatives of being (narrow minded and intolerant).

To lefties, civil rights are something to be rewarded to political friends.

79 Ma Sands  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:58:48pm

re: #74 grumpy old codger

Good man, I tell ya! :)

80 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:58:55pm

re: #73 Perplexed

damn,,, just having that website up on my screen makes me need a shower,, and a new computer,,, and new eyes ,,,

81 Thanos  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:59:03pm

re: #62 grumpy old codger

Why only Pakistan? Why not the Magic Kingdom or any other of these moslime countries?

Because it's election time, war time, and there are gov'ts outside Pak who have been steadily undermining. This is just another piece in the puzzle, you can tell it's written by Pak activists, most likely those in the Lawyer's groups. They align typically with PPP, Bhutto's party. That doesn't mean the charges aren't true... just questioning the timing.

Remember, India hates Pak, Iran doesn't like them having nukes, neither do the Sauds. The MSM is going to align automatically against Mushy, as will all socialists.

82 Idle Drifter  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 5:59:39pm

re: #23 song_and_dance_man


"Thug Hugger" (Sphincterholus Moronicus) thought to be a sub-species of the common tree hugger (Genitala Splintercus) but is an unique species found commonly in the hills of Holly Wood and is known for it's strange screech call that gathers the flock together at Award Shows where the more flamboyant and dominant members fight over strange golden statuettes and bulbuls. The winners of such trinkets have been known to stand for hours squawking shrilly to the flock of its accomplishments.

83 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:00:34pm

Buncha' shit-slinging monkeys.

84 Carridine  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:00:59pm

re: #75 Ma Sands

Ma Sands, most hospitals REQUIRE signing off on a Full Release, in order to move forward on surgery.

It CAN be gotten around, but she probably signed the release and its there, part of her posthumous records...

/no compensation

85 Perplexed  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:01:04pm

re: #76 stevieray

I am not a lawyer, but I shall play one here anyway.

I think the reason CAIR has not been indicted yet is becoming clearer by the day. The Feds can treat them like a pinata, and CAIR has little recourse except to run to the media. They don't get to cross-examine anyone in court, and they don't have access to the evidence against them (through discovery) that an indictment would allow. They are taking a beating, and they cannot really say much without turning the media spotlight fully on this case... something CAIR wants to avoid. They also wish to keep some daylight between themselves and the defendants for obvious reasons, but the Feds seem to have a lot of evidence against people tied to both the defendants and CAIR, so they are taking hits by proxy.

The Feds may be smarter than I thought.

What do you guys think about this?

Interesting viewpoint. Could our government have people capable of keeping secrets? Do we have two levels of government (an incompetent one for public/worldly consumption and a very capable one for private actions)? We could be playing the fool so as to draw in our enemies.

86 Connecticut Yankee  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:01:17pm

re: #70 ciaospirit

According to the Philadelphia Inquirer, the suit concerned the death of their teenage daughter, who died of Crohn's disease (digestive disorder) in 2001.

87 Deseeded  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:01:18pm

Who cares about this? What's Barry Bonds doing? x_x ..zzz

88 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:01:35pm
89 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:02:30pm

I don't have time now to read the CAIR story posted, so I'll try to catch it on the CBS Evening News...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAaaa...

Sad situation that Mr and Ms Average American will never hear about this.

Power to the Correct People!

90 grumpy old codger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:02:42pm

re: #75 Ma Sands

I believe their chances are "good", however, the question should be raised, as some times in dire circumstances, blood, any blood, may be needed to be used to prevent death. The case will revolve around the particulars. without trying to denigrate trial lawyers, are you listening john Edwards (?), a suit would be filed merely as sort of a nuisance-type action. That is, we'll sue and if we get anything or if the insurance company will settle rather than go to court, then they're ahead.

91 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:03:18pm

re: #71 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Last time I saw the Dallas skyline, it didn't look quite like this. . . another CAIR subliminal.

Aw, gee whiz.

92 WimbledonWomble  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:03:53pm

re: #76 stevieray

I am not a lawyer, but I shall play one here anyway.

I think the reason CAIR has not been indicted yet is becoming clearer by the day. The Feds can treat them like a pinata, and CAIR has little recourse except to run to the media. They don't get to cross-examine anyone in court, and they don't have access to the evidence against them (through discovery) that an indictment would allow. They are taking a beating, and they cannot really say much without turning the media spotlight fully on this case... something CAIR wants to avoid. They also wish to keep some daylight between themselves and the defendants for obvious reasons, but the Feds seem to have a lot of evidence against people tied to both the defendants and CAIR, so they are taking hits by proxy.

The Feds may be smarter than I thought.

What do you guys think about this?

Proxy or not, think about all the ways in which CAIR is working to subvert American institutions and value below the media radar. Each CAIR chapter has on-staff activists, in some chapters multiple lawyers, working to advance their agenda. CAIR is a threat to the survival of the US so long as it operates. It's a question of death by one big blow or by a million pin pricks. The million pin pricks may ultimately be the more dangerous stratagem. CAIR is at this moment working on thousands of individual cases, each one too small to be media-worthy, yet each one is a threat to national security and generally accepted customs and values designed to protect the majority. CAIR is working to protect a tiny minority and to make it easier for that minority to impose restrictions on the majority. CAIR is a threat to freedom as long as it exists in any form.

93 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:04:09pm

re: #87 Deseeded

Who cares about this? What's Barry Bonds doing? x_x ..zzz


Barry ,,, Right NOW? ,, probably taking his steroidsdaily dossage of healthy and herbal medications

94 Ma Sands  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:04:15pm

re: #84 Carridine

Well, making a documented mistake, which it is --documented, I mean...seems like malpractice...and since there is such a thing as malpractice insurance, it would seem they can get sued for such...

95 WeaselZipper  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:04:21pm

OT: This is funny

American Muslims Propose an Unholy Alliance Against Atheists...

These days the Middle East is once again the scene of bloodshed. Israeli troops are employing the most ruthless and cruel methods against Palestinians. The Israeli Army is ruthlessly bombing Palestinian settlements, shooting at children and trying to make Palestine uninhabitable. (TAM is really reaching out here, eh?-ed.) Some Palestinian radicals, on the other hand, are attacking Israeli civilian targets and spreading violence with their terrible suicide attacks aimed at women and children.

96 grumpy old codger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:04:22pm

re: #88 song_and_dance_man
Thanks. I'll watch yours also.

97 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:04:30pm

re: #51 WimbledonWomble

All politicians, Democrat or Republican, that deal with this entity should be voted out of office. Maybe with enough pressure, Congress will make it illegal for subversive anti-American organizations like this to operate on foreign funding. Can you imagine a German Nazi party in America in 1944 allowed to operate with obscenely generous funds from Germany? Yet this is precisely what CAIR is.

Deutsche-Amerikanischer Bund, 1937 = CAIR 2007

98 kuchuklambat  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:04:34pm

re: #51 WimbledonWomble

CAIR and other such are operating in the environment prepared by decades of very successful Soviet psyops in the academia and in the media. The discourse and the narratives of the left have been shaped largely by what these most skillful spin doctors came up with in the 1950's-1970's. The RoP bunch play it clumsy and overreach at every step, although positioning their ideology as religion is a great advantage that commies did not have.

99 Carridine  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:04:35pm

re: #76 stevieray

StevieRay Machiavelli! Yes, it has a ring to it!

Just saying I like your take on it, "hits by proxy", and it reinforces the quaint notion of American law-enforcement officers as INTELLIGENT, rational folks! Good on ya!

100 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:05:04pm

re: #76 stevieray

That's entirely possible, even probable.

Kinda' reminds me of how a cat toys with a mouse before it finally pounces.

101 big L  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:05:05pm

looks like Lara Burns will be in Alaska soon.

102 theblakester  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:05:39pm

Do I smell an Elloit Ness crusade against the Bad Guys, The Untouchables/CAIR! Dare I to say since, this would be of offense to Italians! You just have to ask as I always do in this situation,"what would Tony Soprano do?"

103 Ron Paul  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:07:03pm

re: #50 NiceLass

re: #27 Perplexed


Can we begin the RICO indictments? Speaking of indictments a kosling got caught with his hand in the SEC cookiejar.

LOL
Culture of Corruption, anyone?

Kulture of KKKorruption, anyone?

sorry, I kouldn't resist

104 LoFlyer  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:07:26pm

What I do not understand is why the FBI, supposedly the federal watchdog on internal terrorism embraces CAIR by sponsoring CAIR taught "diversity and sensitivity" training. Does the FBI believe that being used by CAIR to spread CAIR's message of Islamic tolerance and peace is helping them guard the US from terrorism? Why does the FBI consistently maintain that the SLC mall shootings, and the Jewish center shootings were not religiously motivated or inspired when both shooters are Muslim and the victims either Jews or Gentiles? Why is the South Carolina pipe bomb transporters, two fun loving ME Muslim college types about to be portrayed the same way? Is this part of some high level strategy by the FBI to lull CAIR into revealing their true intentions or an deliberate attempt to down-play a growing terrorist threat to the American public?

105 Sizzlack  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:08:44pm

whether the media is paying attention to this or not...i know the fbi and cia are...i feel the countdown has begun to what will eventually be the arrests of these people...followed by their imprisonment and or deportations.

106 Carridine  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:08:45pm

re: #94 Ma Sands

re: #84 Carridine

Well, making a documented mistake, which it is --documented, I mean... seems like malpractice... and since there is such a thing as malpractice insurance, it would seem they can get sued for such...


Agreed. The blood screw-up is documented, and is malpractice. They CAN go for it, just saying that Release stands in their way. Urge them to talk to a malpractice lawyer, with their documents in-hand, Ma

107 Sizzlack  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:09:40pm

i dont think when it really comes all out that the fbi would do much to help promote cair or their message...i sure as sh** hope they wouldnt

108 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:10:29pm

re: #46 Thanos

The Nepalese Communists are shutting down FM stations as I type too. Yes, the elections will be free and fair, after all Jimmah was there... ///

Why can't the Brits just loan the Gurkha Regiments back to the Nepalese Govt. and take care of the commie problem for good? I'm sure those Gurkha lads can't be to happy about the commies taking over their homeland.

I've only heard a little about what is going on there but apparently some of the Maoist groups there are nearly as brutal as jihadis, beheading teachers in rural villages and the like.

109 LSD  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:10:49pm

Anti-CAIR Founder; My Turn on Civil Rights

... When CAIR sued me, it discovered that bringing a bogus "defamation" case to silence free speech is a double edged sword; just as CAIR could examine and test my material and delve into my works, so I was entitled to do the same to CAIR. The question, as the discovery process unfolded was: "Who was going to blink first"?

For our legal team the answer was simple: we agreed to answer any/all questions in depth. We had, and have, nothing to hide. Everything Anti-CAIR does is perfectly transparent, we show our sources (where we can), we name names, and we provide links that any reader can follow.

When my legal team, headed by Reed Rubinstein, submitted questions to CAIR, we were rebuffed. CAIR finally realized that going after Anti-CAIR was not only a bad decision, it had the potential to show CAIR for what it is: an Anti-American front group for Hamas that was founded by Islamic terrorists.

CAIR ran from the suit they initiated and the case was settled.

Not one word that CAIR objected to was changed on the web site. No corrections were issued. No apology was made.

Why is this important?

Free speech.

Stanislav Shmulevich of Brooklyn has been arrested on charges of criminal mischief and aggravated harassment for allegedly placing a Koran (Islam's Holy Book) in a toilet at Pace University.

While most Americans can agree that placing a book in a toilet is disrespectful, is it really a crime?

... What is more threatening, putting a book in a toilet or being told that Islam is in America to dominate all other beliefs?

Why hasn't Ahmad been arrested for a "hate crime"?

What about Nihad Awad, CAIR Executive Director when he publicly states:

"I am in support of the Hamas movement."

Awad publicly states his support for an Islamist terrorist group that has murdered innocent civilians, including American citizens, and there is no "hate crimes" investigation.

Showing the banality of evil, this from Omar Ahmad:

"Fighting for freedom, fighting for Islam, that is not suicide ...
they kill themselves for Islam"

Ahmad celebrates fellow Muslims who commit terrorist suicide bombings as "killing themselves for Islam"...the very same Islam that CAIR consistently claims does not support terrorism.

Or is it only CAIR's particular brand of Islam that supports Islamic terrorism?

From a WorldNetDaily article:

"A group of American Muslims produced a video that shows its members on a New York City street corner declaring Islam's dominance over America as they tread on a U.S. flag and then rip it apart."

CAIR had nothing to say about the desecration of our national flag by a group of Islamist supremacists from the "Islamic Thinkers Society"... the group suffered no consequences for the defilement of the flag and no mention was made of it being a "hate crime". No matter that millions of veterans would disagree; rightly recognizing that the flag represents our country, our values...and our comrades, fallen or wounded in battle; not to mention those battling Islamist terror in foreign lands.

Shmulevich put a book in the toilet. But did he call for his religion to be dominant in America? Did he publicly call for support for terrorists who are killing American citizens? Did he salute terrorists who commit suicide attacks? Did he trample our flag in the street?

What Shmulevich did was in bad taste, it was insulting, but it was no crime.

Freedom of speech is my birthright as an American citizen; it is a gift from God codified by our founding fathers in our great Constitution.

To silence my voice would be to silence my soul; no man has, or ought to have, that power.

If we won't stand up for Shmulevich, who will stand up for us when the time comes ... ?

110 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:11:07pm

Good evening, Lizards.

I think that CAIR has understimated the extent that the average American will put up with BS.

111 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:11:18pm

OT:
It's official. Brooklyn experienced an EF2 twister this AM. Wow.

112 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:12:17pm
113 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:13:11pm
114 Ginn  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:13:40pm
It’s disgraceful how little coverage this hugely important trial is receiving in mainstream media. Read the whole report at Counterterrorism Blog; it’s incredibly damning stuff.

Pop Quiz at 10 PST

115 WimbledonWomble  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:14:07pm

re: #98 kuchuklambat

re: #51 WimbledonWomble

CAIR and other such are operating in the environment prepared by decades of very successful Soviet psyops in the academia and in the media. The discourse and the narratives of the left have been shaped largely by what these most skillful spin doctors came up with in the 1950's-1970's. The RoP bunch play it clumsy and overreach at every step, although positioning their ideology as religion is a great advantage that commies did not have.

I would say that while there is not a one-to-one conspiracy-style connection, you are absolutely right. CAIR is exploiting the fertile ground of leftist and PC dictates against criticism of subversives, who are of course in their view just expressing legitimate criticisms against the oppressive colonialist capitalist - blah, blah, blah- establishment. The depressing thing is when Republicans who should no better try to triangulate politically by making strange bedfellows with CAIR and its ilk. More and more people are coming around, though. Also, CAIR's overreaching, as you say, is their great weakness. They are not nearly a clever, patient or savvy as the communists before them. In a way, they are more like Nazis, who were so convinced of the rightness of their crazy ideology, that they they went too far too fast. CAIR is revealing its maximalist Islamist agenda too soon and too openly. They fire at everyone and everything in an effort to coerce and intimidate. They are transparent. That will be their undoing. The only question is when will academia and the media stop facilitating their aggressive Gestapo tactics and help the vast majority of Americans show them for what they are: Islamic radicals devoted to bringing Sharia to the US, nothing more and nothing less.

116 marwan's daughter  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:14:11pm

I hope this is the year that CAIR is finally shut down. They've been around for too long now.

117 Ginn  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:14:48pm

re: #110 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards.

I think that CAIR has understimated the extent that the average American will put up with BS.

I wonder how many people have ever heard of CAIR?

118 Ginn  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:15:49pm

re: #111 lawhawk

OT:
It's official. Brooklyn experienced an EF2 twister this AM. Wow.

Was there a house on the bad witch? Did you get a hold of her Ruby shoes?

119 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:15:56pm

OT - Shades of OJ Simpson?

Um, Charles...

New York Times:

If You Were a Terrorist, How Would You Attack?

120 Ma Sands  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:16:11pm

re: #112 buzzsawmonkey

...or a Master Plan...which I do have evidence of... :)

121 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:17:01pm
123 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:18:18pm

re: #109 LSD

CAIR ran from the suit they initiated and the case was settled.

The case was "settled"? To me, that indicates that money changed hands. Did it?

124 Ginn  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:19:18pm

re: #119 ErislDysnomia

OT - Shades of OJ Simpson?

Um, Charles...

New York Times:

If You Were a Terrorist, How Would You Attack?

From your link:


I’m sure many readers have far better ideas. I would love to hear them. Consider that posting them could be a form of public service: I presume that a lot more folks who oppose and fight terror read this blog than actual terrorists. So by getting these ideas out in the open, it gives terror fighters a chance to consider and plan for these scenarios before they occur.

Yes, right. I'm sure more "terror" fighters read this blog...

You idiot!

125 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:20:36pm

#122 Kenneth

Some of us figured that out in 1979.
Many others, not so much

126 stevieray  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:20:38pm

re: #112 buzzsawmonkey

Well, the Feds seem to be bringing up the name CAIR an awful lot in a case where they are not on trial. Sometimes you must attack indirectly at first to draw your real target out into the open. If the Holy Land Foundation is convicted, a whole lot of documented CAIR members and supporters will become radioactive, allowing the Feds easy indictments of the mothership down the road.

War is deception.

127 tblot  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:20:53pm

re: #122 Kenneth

You think

128 Ginn  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:21:02pm

re: #122 Kenneth

But Kenneth, Wesley Clarke says Bush is already at war with Iran.

[Link: www.stopiranwar.com...]

129 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:21:33pm

re: #125 hous bin pharteen

Some still don't think so. Unfortunately, they're in the government.

130 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:21:50pm

re: #117 Ginn

re: #110 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards.

I think that CAIR has understimated the extent that the average American will put up with BS.

I wonder how many people have ever heard of CAIR?

I wonder how many people read the American in Council on American-Islamic Relations and think to themselves "Gee, they're trying to build bridges. Isn't that swell."

Unfortunately, I think that number is higher than we'd like to think.

131 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:22:08pm

Lemesee Now -

CAIR=The Brotherhood, etc., et al. ad nauseum. DOH - does this mean
that as they said in the Old West - THE BLACKHATS RIDE TOGETEHER?

-S-

132 WimbledonWomble  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:22:14pm

re: #97 Colonel Panik

re: #51 WimbledonWomble

All politicians, Democrat or Republican, that deal with this entity should be voted out of office. Maybe with enough pressure, Congress will make it illegal for subversive anti-American organizations like this to operate on foreign funding. Can you imagine a German Nazi party in America in 1944 allowed to operate with obscenely generous funds from Germany? Yet this is precisely what CAIR is.

Deutsche-Amerikanischer Bund, 1937 = CAIR 2007

Yes, it seems so.

133 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:22:38pm

re: #128 Ginn

Fine. I don't care who started it, but can we at least wfight like we want to win it?

134 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:23:04pm

Iranians on one side. Saudis on the other. We're stuck in the middle. And we've got politicos who are denying what we're up against, how we're actually succeeding on the battlefield despite all this, and a refusal to take the fight to those who are sending those jihadis to the battlefield as if that will contain things or that containing the fight to Iraq is a good thing.

135 Ginn  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:23:47pm

re: #130 rabidsquirrel

re: #117 Ginn

re: #110 goddessoftheclassroom
Good evening, Lizards.

I think that CAIR has understimated the extent that the average American will put up with BS.

I wonder how many people have ever heard of CAIR?
I wonder how many people read the American in Council on American-Islamic Relations and think to themselves "Gee, they're trying to build bridges. Isn't that swell."

Unfortunately, I think that number is higher than we'd like to think.

You mean.. the MSM, right?

136 Ma Sands  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:24:58pm

re: #90 grumpy old codger

Well, thank you, and Carridine, you too --I don't even know if the young man's mind is running in that direction...but I will tell him you spoke to it, if he ever does bring it up... :)

(I think I'm getting "Mom-type treatment" over the back fence from him --seems he was very protective of his mother, and I'm reaping the overflow, in this early stage of bereavement... :)

137 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:26:11pm

re: #135 Ginn

You mean.. the MSM, right?

That's a given. I was talking about the remainder of that segment of the American populace with their heads wedged firmly up their rectal cavities.

138 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:26:14pm

Pakistan is teetering, and may declare a state of emergency.

I hope B. Hussein Obama is proud for lighting the match on that tinderbox.

Begs the question, what was the last foreign policy action or pronouncement made by a Democrat that actually worked out favorably?

139 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:26:46pm

re: #134 lawhawk

"LH" -

Stuck in the middle with WHO?

-S-

140 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:26:47pm

re: #122 Kenneth
/Gee, I heard it was just a "small percentage" of our troops being killed by Iran.

141 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:27:31pm
142 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:27:39pm

#111 lawhawk


Hmm.
Was it headed for the NYT printing plant in queens?

143 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:27:42pm

re: #138 JammieWearingFool

Begs the question, what was the last foreign policy action or pronouncement made by a Democrat that actually worked out favorably?

Ummm,, that would be when Truman authorized the 2nd A bomb on Japan.

Whats my prize ?

144 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:27:59pm

re: #128 Ginn

re: #122 Kenneth

But Kenneth, Wesley Clarke says Bush is already at war with Iran.

[Link: www.stopiranwar.com...]

John Fucking Kerry, meet Wesley Fucking Clark.

145 hiker  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:28:32pm

Of course the MSM is going to sit on this story. The MSM is the twin son of different mothers of the Democratic Party, as both fervently hope for an American defeat in the war against the islamofascists.

146 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:28:34pm

#129 kenneth

tis true, tis true.

147 FrogMarch  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:28:41pm

Democratic Debate Spawns Weird Economics

1) "You know, six and a half years ago, we had a balanced budget and a surplus; now we are in deep debt with a rising deficit, and it is absolutely true that George Bush has put it on the credit card, expecting our children and grandchildren to pay for it." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton.
Hey, the last time I checked, the budget deficit for this year was forecast to be $207 billion, half of what it was in 2004. (The budget might actually be back in the black when the next president takes office.) And while Bush did inherit a balanced budget and surplus from Team Clinton, neither administration successfully fixed the $100 trillion unfunded liability problem with Social Security and Medicare.
148 Ginn  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:28:43pm

re: #138 JammieWearingFool

Pakistan is teetering, and may declare a state of emergency.

I hope B. Hussein Obama is proud for lighting the match on that tinderbox.

Begs the question, what was the last foreign policy action or pronouncement made by a Democrat that actually worked out favorably?

The Somali Aspirin Factory?

149 Ma Sands  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:29:33pm

re: #123 MandyManners

Not to C.A.I.R.'s benefit...there've been several cases reported here, where C.A.I.R. just sort of faded away, IIRC... :)

150 grumpy old codger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:29:36pm

re: #136 Ma Sands

re: #147 FrogMarch

Please don't confuse me with the facts!

151 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:29:58pm
152 jim in virginia  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:30:22pm

spot on post at Hot AIr: Arms of August

We seem to be moving toward a point in time that is not unlike the situation faced by President Truman in August 1945: No good options on the table, lots of wrenching choices, and no matter which path you choose, your decision will send many people to their inevitable deaths. The only questions are, whose people, how do they die, and what kind of world emerges in the aftermath?
153 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:30:23pm
154 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:30:31pm

#144 mandy..

Is it just a rumour that the Democratic National Convention theme song this time around is "Surrender" by Cheap Trick?

155 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:31:05pm

re: #143 sattv4u2

re: #138 JammieWearingFool

Begs the question, what was the last foreign policy action or pronouncement made by a Democrat that actually worked out favorably?

Ummm,, that would be when Truman authorized the 2nd A bomb on Japan.

Whats my prize ?

Was I offering prizes?

So the A bomb? You're probably right. Knew it wasn't something in my lifetime.

156 FrogMarch  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:31:39pm

re: #147 FrogMarch
...
and actually, the Clintons didn't have a real surplus, it was a for-casted "borrowed" surplus.

157 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:32:23pm

re: #142 hous bin pharteen

No, but it was on a course to hit some of my old haunts...

158 Thanos  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:33:25pm

re: #108 Colonel Panik

re: #46 Thanos


The Nepalese Communists are shutting down FM stations as I type too. Yes, the elections will be free and fair, after all Jimmah was there... ///

Why can't the Brits just loan the Gurkha Regiments back to the Nepalese Govt. and take care of the commie problem for good? I'm sure those Gurkha lads can't be to happy about the commies taking over their homeland.

I've only heard a little about what is going on there but apparently some of the Maoist groups there are nearly as brutal as jihadis, beheading teachers in rural villages and the like.

Well, the Government in Nepal is not the king anymore, he was deposed after ten years of civil war created massive strikes and demonstrations against the King and the Maoists. There's a seven party agreement hammering out a constitution and elections now, but Prachandra and the Maoists have their own game in mind.

159 WimbledonWomble  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:33:35pm

My biggest concern about CAIR is not their big stuff that never gets anywhere, but the thousands of little things they have their noses in that even the alternative media aka blogosphere doesn't know about. How many individuals are they now suing or intimidating with threats of lawsuits? How many Muslims trying to sue or intimidate for one reason or another are they now providing financial or legal support for? How many cases of delayed citizenship - which, for crying out loud is a slow process even for Norwegian Buddhist vegetarian pacifists - are they pushing through without proper and normal evaluation by cajoling or threatening to sue the INS? How many schools are they threatening and harassing because there are no footbaths, not the proper Halal food in the cafeteria or because some Muslim student has been accused of cheating and CAIR is going to make a general Islamophobia deal about it? How many television programs are their lawyers writing threatening letters to because a Muslim was supposedly shown in a non-glowing context? How many news outlets are they intimidating to not report certain things?

There is so much that millions of dollars can buy in terms of coercion but that goes underneath the radar because each individually is not that newsworthy. CAIR is all over the place. Death by a thousand pin pricks. This organization should be outlawed. If they are an American Muslim civil rights organization, then they should be funded by American Muslims and should go after real cases of civil rights infringements. Instead, they go after everyone who looks at a Muslim the wrong way, even if that person is blind. They are insane.

160 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:33:37pm

Technically, Iran isn't at war with us, the Mullahs are.
Its not the official Iranian military, but the Mullahs own IRGC shadow military.
And the weapons they supply terrorists with are paid for by some Islamic Foundation (aka protection syndicate run by one of the Mullahs) not the Iranian government.
The best thing we could do is smart bomb a Mullah Meeting.

161 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:33:50pm

re: #147 FrogMarch

"Frogster" -

And all y'all think that confronting Mme. HILLARY with the TRUTH means anything? THINK AGAIN!

-S-

162 blackpajamas  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:34:16pm

re: #93 sattv4u2

re: #87 Deseeded

Who cares about this? What's Barry Bonds doing? x_x ..zzz


Barry ,,, Right NOW? ,, probably taking his steroidsdaily dossage of healthy and herbal medications


Barry Bonds was last seen at Disneyland, consuming a hot dog cart, scaling space mountain, and trying to pick a fight with King Kong.

163 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:34:27pm
164 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:34:47pm

Holy Land defense attorney questions FBI agent

Greg Westfall, attorney for former Holy Land organizer Abdulrahman Odeh, got FBI special agent Lara Burns to admit that many of the nearly 400 documents and videos entered into evidence in the past two weeks predate the Jan. 23, 1995, order by President Clinton designating Hamas as a terrorist group.

“Every allegation in this indictment would not have been a crime prior to this date?” Mr. Westfall asked Agent Burns, and Agent Burns agreed.

Defense attorneys, sheesh.

165 Highrise  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:34:49pm

Hmm..let's see...we are throwing the book at scooter libby for not being able to recall stuff accurately for a crime that ended up not being a crime...

Yet this pecker goes out of his way to intentionally lie to congress and everything is peachy? I guess having those muslim imams come in and pray with the dems in congress are having their effect...that is what cults do best I guess. I think we need to ask Bush what all is involved in fighting the war on terror, because in some instances, I'm just not seeing this stuff included under that same umbrella.

It's time to shut down cair, muslim brotherhood, and for the hell of it..throw in nambla while we are at it...let's get serious.

166 Ma Sands  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:35:23pm

re: #119 ErislDysnomia

O.M.I.G.O.O.D.N.E.S.S ! ! ! What foolishness to print such stuff! And look how many fell into it! --well over 500 comments!

168 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:36:05pm

re: #163 song_and_dance_man

re: #138 JammieWearingFool

I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky

Does that count?

That's domestic policy.

169 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:36:29pm

re: #111 lawhawk

I left the house this morning about 5:50. As I headed east briefly before getting on 287, I saw one of the most ominous horizons in the direction of NYC. It normally is sunrise about that time, but I knew something bad was happening. Really spooked me.

The rain from maybe 4:30 to 6:15 was about as heavy I'd experienced since Floyd. Fortunately when I got down around Morristown, it had cleared somewhat, but that was when all the tornado warnings were coming over the radio.

170 Thanos  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:37:12pm

re: #138 JammieWearingFool

Pakistan is teetering, and may declare a state of emergency.

I hope B. Hussein Obama is proud for lighting the match on that tinderbox.

Begs the question, what was the last foreign policy action or pronouncement made by a Democrat that actually worked out favorably?

Shujaat Hussein is pimping that rumor, along with a faction in the PML. Shujaat will be replaced as PM by Bhutto if the deal goes through... the state of emergency could happen if things go south real fast in the Waziristans and the violence transports to the urban areas in a big way, but that's not likely at present. Declaring a state of emergency right now without a real compelling reason and with the bulk of the army in the frontiers would be the fastest way I know of for Musharraf to lose the gov't.

171 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:37:15pm

#157 lawhawk

Well if it is your old haunts, the Big Guy cant be pissed at you.
Now if it was your current haunts...

172 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:37:43pm
173 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:37:59pm

re: #163 song_and_dance_man

re: #138 JammieWearingFool

I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky

Does that count?

Nobody believed him.

Well, his wife pretended to, but we know she's full of shi* anyway.

174 Roger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:38:03pm

re: #165 Highrise

That is where Jim Jones and Charlie Manson went wrong; they didn't authorize some "imams" to go and pray with the dems in congress and the Bush admin in the WH.

175 bosforus  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:38:22pm

re: #162 blackpajamas

barry bonds? i've got two of his rookie cards and whatever they're worth is as much as i care about him.

176 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:38:25pm

Thanos
Colonel Panik

Only on LGF could we learn about commies in Nepal without any effort.

177 grumpy old codger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:38:39pm

re: #167 Colonel Panik
Which may be enough to demonstrate, though not acknowledged by thw LLL, that no American, despite his background, would ever be acceptable to these fanatics. Evidently, some people's brands of islam is not pure enough for the TRUE BELIEVERS (See Eric Hoffer).

178 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:40:57pm

re: #172 song_and_dance_man

re: #168 rabidsquirrel

re: #163 song_and_dance_man

re: #138 JammieWearingFool

I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky

Does that count?

That's domestic policy.

My bad. I got foreign and strange mixed up.

Now, if he was tapping some foreign interns, that would be foreign policy, otherwise known as international [sexual] relations.

179 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:41:52pm

#175 bosforus

I am a Cards fan.
So of course I was a Mark M fan.
Have one of his jerseys.
Know I wear it when I am doing engine changes.
Feh...

180 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:42:05pm

re: #169 JammieWearingFool

I woke up to the warnings coming over the TV about 6:45 am so I missed most of the bad weather - the traffic mess that ensued was a different story. They were warning of potential severe storms and tornado activity on Fox5. I think they got it pegged perfectly - predicting the path and everything.

181 grumpy old codger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:42:26pm

re: #179 hous bin pharteen
Why don't you root for a pro team?

182 Cougar  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:42:31pm

re: #151 JammieWearingFool

He was secretly AWOL from Air National Guard... It was at this time that he also planted explosives under the levees in New Orleans!

183 Thanos  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:42:56pm

I agree with Colonel Panik, it would be great to send the Ghurkas in crying "Jai Mahakali, Ayo Gorkhali" which literally translates to "Glory be to the Goddess of War, here come the Gorkhas!"

The other thought I had is they are the only ones who can keep Singapore in shape, Israel really oughta consider hiring them as police in the West Bank. They've tried everything else.

184 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:42:58pm

re: #175 bosforus

re: #162 blackpajamas

barry bonds? i've got two of his rookie cards and whatever they're worth is as much as i care about him.

$49.99 ( asking price on E-BAY) [Link: cgi.ebay.com...]

185 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:43:02pm

Had They Been Two White Kids, No One Would Have Cared ... about, y'know, those Pipe Bombs

But, alas, they were Muslims so everybody cares. Or, better yet, CAIRs.

Yes, that execrable organization and it's official Sami al-Arian-pom-pom-wavin' spokesman, Ahmed Bedier, are at it again.

First, Bedier pronounced, before anything approaching an investigation could have been done, that the two Egyptian Muslims who were arrested over the weekend in South Carolina, were totally innocent: Just a couple of "really naive kids" (ages 21 and 26) who happened to have some "fireworks" in their car as they made their way on one of those crazy college kid field trips ... one that just happened to take them by Goose Creek where the the U.S. Naval Weapons Station is located, many miles from Tampa, where they attend the University of South Florida's School of Engineering.

And, here, well, let's just say we end up with one of those you-just-can't-make-it-up coincidences: That happens be the same USF School of Engineering that served as home base for former Professor Sami al-Arian while he was laboring for Palestinian Islamic Jihad. And, whaddya know, Al-Arian's case was the last time we were hearing so regularly from Bedier. By the end, in spring 2006, he was boldly pronouncing that Sami would stick to his guns. He would not under any circumstances plead guilty to any terrorism offenses because there was "no conspiracy to support terrorism." That turned out to be right before al-Arian pled guilty to conspiracy to provide services to a designated terrorist organization.

186 CrimsonFisted  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:43:15pm

re: #170 Thanos

re: #138 JammieWearingFool

Pakistan is teetering, and may declare a state of emergency.

I hope B. Hussein Obama is proud for lighting the match on that tinderbox.

Begs the question, what was the last foreign policy action or pronouncement made by a Democrat that actually worked out favorably?

Shujaat Hussein is pimping that rumor, along with a faction in the PML. Shujaat will be replaced as PM by Bhutto if the deal goes through... the state of emergency could happen if things go south real fast in the Waziristans and the violence transports to the urban areas in a big way, but that's not likely at present. Declaring a state of emergency right now without a real compelling reason and with the bulk of the army in the frontiers would be the fastest way I know of for Musharraf to lose the gov't.

I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if any one from the Bush administration has told him to STFD and STFU yet, he is causing MAJOR problems.

187 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:43:33pm

re: #149 Ma Sands

I'm not an attorney but, I've worked long enough in the legal arena to believe that a "settlement" means that either money was exchanged or some sort of concession was made. If the suit was dismissed upon motion of the plaintiffs, why didn't the defendant state that it was dismissed/dropped?

188 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:45:02pm

re: #180 lawhawk

re: #169 JammieWearingFool

I woke up to the warnings coming over the TV about 6:45 am so I missed most of the bad weather - the traffic mess that ensued was a different story. They were warning of potential severe storms and tornado activity on Fox5. I think they got it pegged perfectly - predicting the path and everything.

Today I was thankful I get up so early.

Still managed to get to the office by around 6:40. Shortly after that, there were headaches for everyone.

189 Thanos  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:45:38pm

re: #186 CrimsonFisted

re: #170 Thanos


re: #138 JammieWearingFool

Pakistan is teetering, and may declare a state of emergency.

I hope B. Hussein Obama is proud for lighting the match on that tinderbox.

Begs the question, what was the last foreign policy action or pronouncement made by a Democrat that actually worked out favorably?


Shujaat Hussein is pimping that rumor, along with a faction in the PML. Shujaat will be replaced as PM by Bhutto if the deal goes through... the state of emergency could happen if things go south real fast in the Waziristans and the violence transports to the urban areas in a big way, but that's not likely at present. Declaring a state of emergency right now without a real compelling reason and with the bulk of the army in the frontiers would be the fastest way I know of for Musharraf to lose the gov't.

I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if any one from the Bush administration has told him to STFD and STFU yet, he is causing MAJOR problems.


He and Tancredo both are handing out torches to the angry villager faction in Pakistanillvania.

190 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:45:42pm

re: #182 Cougar

re: #151 JammieWearingFool

He was secretly AWOL from Air National Guard... It was at this time that he also planted explosives under the levees in New Orleans!

Actually, GW was still at Yale in '67, but he was in Skull and Bones, therefore he must have been involved in the conspiracy.

191 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:45:45pm

#181 grumpy

Now THAT was mean.
I grew up in Philly, so I was a Phillies fan. At least I moved up in the world.

192 hiker  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:46:14pm

re: #92 WimbledonWomble

re: #76 stevieray

CAIR is a threat to freedom as long as it exists in any form.

Agreed.

193 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:47:52pm

re: #151 JammieWearingFool

They were already considering another design flaw from when the bridge was built - the lack of redundancy in the design such that if one part of the truss system failed, the whole bridge comes down. Newer bridge designs have additional redundancy.

194 Thanos  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:47:57pm

Speaking of Gurkhas, Lizards who don't know their history have a reading assignment.

196 blackpajamas  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:48:53pm

re: #184 sattv4u2

re: #175 bosforus

re: #162 blackpajamas

barry bonds? i've got two of his rookie cards and whatever they're worth is as much as i care about him.

$49.99 ( asking price on E-BAY) [Link: cgi.ebay.com...]

I think I've divested myself of Bonds RCs, except for the ones in the complete sets. However, I'm still holding my Ken Griffey Jrs, and people won't get to touch my Tony Gwynn rookies (aka Anthony Keith Gwynn) even if they come at me with a crowbar.

197 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:48:58pm
198 Ma Sands  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:49:50pm

re: #151 Killgore Trout

You may turn out to be right, Killgore... ): ...the work going on, on the bridge, may have been the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak... ):

199 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:49:55pm

re: #197 song_and_dance_man

re: #192 hiker

re: #92 WimbledonWomble

re: #76 stevieray

CAIR is a threat to freedom as long as it exists in any form.

Agreed.

Forget CAIR for the moment and consider their source. Islam.

Yep. CAIR is the symptom. Islam is the disease.

200 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:50:21pm

re: #183 Thanos

I agree with Colonel Panik, it would be great to send the Ghurkas in crying "Jai Mahakali, Ayo Gorkhali" which literally translates to "Glory be to the Goddess of War, here come the Gorkhas!"

The other thought I had is they are the only ones who can keep Singapore in shape, Israel really oughta consider hiring them as police in the West Bank. They've tried everything else.

Heh. They could show the Palis a thing or two about playing with knives.

201 grumpy old codger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:50:44pm

re: #191 hous bin pharteen
Hey, I grew up in Boston in the fifties. Every year, the Red Flops would finish a gazillion games behind US Steel, but light years ahead of the AL west. After having my heart broken every year, I gave up. Then i went to school in IN and discovered the Cubs! Now, I cheer for the Flubbies. they may lose but, hell, you expect it. and I've never been disappointed nor had my heart broken again.
Wait until next year!

202 Ma Sands  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:50:53pm

re: #187 MandyManners

Whoops! Sorry --out of my league. Carry on... :)

203 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:51:03pm
204 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:51:54pm
205 grumpy old codger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:52:01pm

re: #202 Ma Sands
National or American?

206 stevieray  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:52:13pm

re: #159 WimbledonWomble

I think you are right, but I also think that will be their undoing.

Right now, many Americans don't know what CAIR is all about. But everyday, more are figuring it out... and they are skeptical, at best, about CAIR's motives. CAIR is not just seeking acceptance by America, they are trying to change America, and most people don't like that. The more toes they step on, the more potential enemies they make.

Eventually, there will be a critical mass of normal, everyday Americans who know their agenda, and then things will change quickly.

207 onslow  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:52:28pm

Do dopes like Leonard Pitts still think CAIR is a civil rights organization?

208 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:52:55pm

Another Iraq "massacre" debunked

Thank goodness Reuters and AP has layers and filters.

209 AtlasShrugged  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:53:47pm

Speaking of CAIR:

Cry baby cry baby cry. These terrorists never stop even when confronted with truth.

From: Ibrahim Hooper

To: The Washington Times


Audrey Hudson: "In a 10-page press release issued by the Council on American Islamic Relations."


Facts: It was a one-page release with excerpts from CAIR's community safety kit attached only on the e-mail version. Where she came up with "10-page release" is anyone's guess. Note that the entire release fits on one page of PRNewswire.


Audrey Hudson: "Muslims were warned to review their personal security and to 'develop a list of attorneys who are willing to be consulted by the Muslim community in response to backlash incidents.' 'Ask Muslim attorneys to volunteer their services to community members during this time of crisis,' said the 'community safety kit' issued by CAIR."


Facts: She writes as if these statements were recent or were were part of the news release, which they were not. They are standard statements pulled selectively from our community safety kit, which was first published many years ago after a series of hate incidents targeting the American Muslim community.

CAIR has a coummunity safety kit? Hit the decks!


Audrey Hudson: "CAIR called the device an 'acid bomb' that targeted the imam specifically because of the lawsuit."


Facts: We did not call it an "acid bomb." Note that the phrase is always within quotes in our news release because that is how it was reported to us. We did not say Imam Faja was targeted "specifically because of the lawsuit." We said, "One of the two men outside the mosque was an imam who had recently been threatened because he is party to a discrimination lawsuit against US Airways over an incident last fall in Minnesota."

They didn't call it an acid but but in the same breath says it was in the CAIR news release. The room is beginning to spin.


I will skip the section where she tries to downplay the incident by selectively quoting a police officer who is not the lead investigator on the case.

Can anyone downplay mentos, the freshmaker?


Audrey Hudson: "It was not clear what the imam was doing outside of the center at 1 a.m., as prayers are scheduled for 4:30 a.m."


Facts: This is obviously designed to cast suspicion on the imam. Perhaps her deep knowledge of Islam does not include the fact that the last Muslim prayer of the day can take place late in the evening, and that the two men where officials of the mosque who quite possibly had administrative duties to perform after the late evening prayers. She could have even taken the bold step of actually asking someone what they were doing there.

"Cast suspicion" on the imam suing the airlines and the Jane and John Does?


But then, why bother with facts and interviews when you are an agenda-driven "journalist" engaged in a personal vendetta.

Did he just say agenda driven?


Please take appropriate steps to correct these misstatements of fact and distortions.

If Audrey Hudson was a man, I wisk him to Vegas and marry him. :)

210 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:54:04pm

Smells like someone burned dinner! Because this pie smells like it is scorched!

211 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:54:42pm

#195 jammie...
I saw that earlier.

Now the homophobic comments by the Kos commie I missed.

The tolerant left that hates Jews, homosexuals, US servicemen, Christians, etc.

Who's your Nazi?

212 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:55:12pm

re: #201 grumpy old codger

re: #191 hous bin pharteen
Hey, I grew up in Boston in the fifties. Every year, the Red Flops would finish a gazillion games behind US Steel, but light years ahead of the AL west. After having my heart broken every year, I gave up. Then i went to school in IN and discovered the Cubs! Now, I cheer for the Flubbies. they may lose but, hell, you expect it. and I've never been disappointed nor had my heart broken again.
Wait until next year!

There was no AL West until 1969.

213 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:55:51pm
214 blackpajamas  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:56:05pm

re: #195 JammieWearingFool

Written in the stars: Kos’s co-author hit with $30,000 SEC fine; Update: Kossack to Drudge: Oh yeah? Well, you’re gay

HH: "The '08 Democrats may just manage to out-stupid the '06 Republicans. Championing terrorists' rights is a guarantee of doing just that."

ref: The '08 Campaign and FISA (link may be slow).

215 Ma Sands  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:56:28pm

re: #205 grumpy old codger

Ha! :)

216 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:56:53pm

Speaking of Weasley Clark, great article by Julia Gorin in Frontpage Mag about our misbegotten policy in the Balkans:

In May I met Father Jovan Culibrk, a monk from Kosovo who described how he has to call the KFOR base every time he wants to go from one parish to another, and Italian NATO troops arrive in two armored vehicles to escort him. “If I didn’t have them,” he said, “ I’d last as long as a rabbi in Gaza.” (Culibrk’s fellow monk Father Hariton was beheaded in June, 1999, the month of our “victory,” and Father Puljic was abducted that July and is presumed dead.)

217 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:57:13pm

re: #209 AtlasShrugged

She really gets under their skin. I like that about her.

218 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:58:00pm

#212 jammie...


AL West?

I still miss the Patrick Division, the Norris, etc

219 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:58:05pm
220 grumpy old codger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:59:34pm

re: #212 JammieWearingFool

Senile dementia rears it's ugly head. The BoFlops were almost always second to the "I've bought the best team in baseball (NYC and KC running as 1 and !A)". Nevertheless, my heat continually was broken watching Williams, Piersall, Jensen, et al., lose to the bozos. I remember watching Larsen's perfect game on TV and the celebrations in the NY locker room. It was like the Yankees expected the post season thing as their God given right. So, I cheer for the flubbies, rot for the flops and HATE the Yankees.

221 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:59:38pm
222 egtact  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 6:59:48pm

CAIR is sounding more and more like the German-American Bund!

CONSPIRACY IS A CRIME, CITIZENS!

No wonder the [bigoted word]s are squawking about exploding pop bottles...

Detain and Deport the enemies of America!

grrr...

223 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:00:02pm

Later lizards.

Off to watch Dennis Leary


...I would give my left nut for the Red Sox to win the World Series.

224 tarkus  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:00:15pm
225 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:00:43pm

Re - "Sami Al-Arian"

Goto john-loftus.com.

-S-

226 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:00:49pm

I really should check my mail more often. Ms. Hudson emailed me earlier.

Slapping forehead...

227 bosforus  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:02:12pm

re: #196 blackpajamas

i've got the upper deck sets from 89-93. i'm hanging on to those for a good long while. i've got the topps bonds rookie and a sportsflic (whoever they are) hologram rookie card. i saw the topps card going for 100 on the home shopping network. the card looked familiar so i dusted off my binder and sure enough there it was along with the hologram.

228 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:02:26pm

re: #220 grumpy old codger

I love teasing Sox fans and former Sox fans.

I know what you meant. Back then it was referred to as second division.

229 Outrider  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:05:23pm

OT House Bill Would Open Secret List of Georgia Military School's Foreign Trainees
The School of the Americas (the old name, but best known) based in Fort Benning, GA, that trains Latin American military officers would be required to disclose the names of its graduates under legislation newly passed by the House.
Critics of this school have been trying to get this school closed down since the 80s. This school is usually the only humans rights training that many of these graduates get and has improved the way in which many of these countries military and police deal with their citizens.

Sen McGovern of Mass (D) wrote the bill as a rider on a defense spending bill. It has passed the House and is onward and upward to the Senate.

230 WimbledonWomble  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:06:02pm

re: #206 stevieray

re: #159 WimbledonWomble

I think you are right, but I also think that will be their undoing.

Right now, many Americans don't know what CAIR is all about. But everyday, more are figuring it out... and they are skeptical, at best, about CAIR's motives. CAIR is not just seeking acceptance by America, they are trying to change America, and most people don't like that. The more toes they step on, the more potential enemies they make.

Eventually, there will be a critical mass of normal, everyday Americans who know their agenda, and then things will change quickly.

I think so too, but then politicians, D & R, are so disconnected from everyday Americans. We need to close the mechanisms that allow CAIR to operate. It's absurd.

231 Outrider  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:07:14pm

re: #224 tarkus

DAILY KOS CO-AUTHOR FINED $30K FOR UNETHICAL STOCK TOUT


Pretty blatant capitalist behavior coming from those quarters. Wonder what any of the diarists will write about this?

232 stevieray  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:07:54pm

re: #218 hous bin pharteen

Yes! Those names were so much better than the boring, generic conference names hockey inflicted on itself. They had charm and character.

233 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:08:36pm

re: #159 WimbledonWomble

My biggest concern about CAIR is not their big stuff that never gets anywhere, but the thousands of little things they have their noses

C.A.I.R. boogers?

234 bosforus  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:08:39pm

re: #196 blackpajamas

i've got a baseball autographed by tony gwynn. spring training game. the ball hit me in the head off of one of those curving curving down first base line foul balls (not hit by gwynn). grabbed the autograph after the game. i keep it on a shelf where it will remain.

235 grumpy old codger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:09:01pm

re: #228 JammieWearingFool
It's easy to tease us. They look great on 1AUG and then consult magicians on how to throw the lead in a different, spirit crushing way. For instance, Bucky Dent!?! He wouldn't have ordinarily rated a footnote in the Baseball Encyclopedia, YET! You had to be there to understand how crushing these yearly blows were. ah, but the flubbies, you'll never break your heart! What other team would have paid 100K for the "evil" ball and then televised its destruction. God Bless America!

236 grumpy old codger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:10:27pm

re: #234 bosforus
Being struck on the head would explain a lot of your comments. Joking, only joking.

237 WimbledonWomble  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:10:48pm

re: #233 MandyManners

re: #159 WimbledonWomble

My biggest concern about CAIR is not their big stuff that never gets anywhere, but the thousands of little things they have their noses

C.A.I.R. boogers?

CAIR is one big booger. We just need a big enough hanky!

238 Bearster  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:11:13pm

I dunno if anyone else has pointed this out yet, but it sounds like Awad is guilty of perjury before the US Congress. Isn't that a felony?

239 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:11:26pm

Wow. I go take care of some business and the posts multiply faster than rabbits on crack.

240 grumpy old codger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:11:45pm

re: #238 Bearster
Only if your party is in power in DC.

241 rtheyserius  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:12:03pm

I want to predict CAIR's demise. I hope I am right.

May the FBI do it right.

242 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:13:01pm

re: #237 WimbledonWomble

Hanky?

243 screaming_eagle  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:13:33pm

re: #238 Bearster

Lying to Congress is a big NO-NO

Congress lying to the American plubic is OK

244 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:13:37pm

Hello lizards. I have a legal question. Are there any lawyers in the house?

245 bosforus  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:14:02pm

re: #236 grumpy old codger

i've heard several variations of your comment when i finish telling that story. :) the sad part is i can't contest any of them!

246 grumpy old codger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:15:01pm

re: #245 bosforus
Welcome to the Old Timers (Alzheimer's) Club!

247 tarkus  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:15:13pm
re: #231 Outrider

re: #224 tarkus


DAILY KOS CO-AUTHOR FINED $30K FOR UNETHICAL STOCK TOUT

Pretty blatant capitalist behavior coming from those quarters. Wonder what any of the diarists will write about this?


good point. I'm sure it will be very 'understanding'.

248 bosforus  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:15:25pm

re: #246 grumpy old codger

but i'm only 27!

249 Paul  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:15:30pm
250 grumpy old codger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:16:06pm

re: #248 bosforus

As the used car saleman said, "It's not the years, it's the mileage."

251 ATLASSHRUGGED  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:16:28pm

217 jammiewearing fool

she dah bomb (dah acid bomb)

the freshmaker!

252 bosforus  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:16:32pm

re: #250 grumpy old codger

what were we talking about?

253 bosforus  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:16:45pm

re: #250 grumpy old codger

d'oh!

254 grumpy old codger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:17:01pm

re: #252 bosforus
You, too, huh?

255 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:17:08pm
256 WimbledonWomble  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:17:42pm

re: #242 MandyManners

re: #237 WimbledonWomble

Hanky?

He destroyed them last night! Chin. Chin.

257 blackpajamas  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:21:06pm

re: #234 bosforus

re: #196 blackpajamas

i've got a baseball autographed by tony gwynn. spring training game. the ball hit me in the head off of one of those curving curving down first base line foul balls (not hit by gwynn). grabbed the autograph after the game. i keep it on a shelf where it will remain.

Ouch!

I like Tony Gwynn because he is (was) a great pure hitter, like Ted Williams or Wade Boggs. However, the term pure may take on a new meaning if we put Bonds name beside it. I actually don't mind that Bonds displays some arrogance. For example, Ted Williams also had a little bit of that himself (back then they called him proud when he refused ovations). The primary reason I dislike unindicted sport star substance abusers (a la Bonds) is that they are basically failure role models for kids.

258 screaming_eagle  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:22:07pm

Ousted for speaking English: Floridian now national focus
Landlord tells businessman to pack up so he can serve 'Spanish need in area'
[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

259 grumpy old codger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:22:36pm

re: #257 blackpajamasHow would you describe or comment on Williams' shooting the pigeons in Fenway?

260 Cartman  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:25:12pm

When I was a kid, my Pop came back from a trip to Chicago with a personally autographed baseball from Ernie Banks. It got lost in some shuffle, and I could kick myself to this very day.

261 blackpajamas  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:27:08pm

re: #259 grumpy old codger

re: #257 blackpajamasHow would you describe or comment on Williams' shooting the pigeons in Fenway?

I would call Randy Johnson and Dave "Two birds, one stone" Winfield blatant attention seeking copycats!

262 Bearster  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:27:09pm

re: #160 Mich-again

Technically, Iran isn't at war with us, the Mullahs are.

I can't tell if you're joking. I hope you are.

"Technically, the Third Reich isn't at war with us. Hitler and his SS are."

263 grumpy old codger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:29:36pm

re: #260 Cartman
My father was a cop who often did "details" at Fenway Park. My tale of woe concerns an autographed ball the old man brought home that was signed by Ted Wiliams. I carried that ball with me whereever I moved. One day, my eldest son and his friend wanted to play catch in front of the house. Of course, they picked that ball, not knowing who TW was (curse my wife the Yankees fan). anyway, after an hour or so of tossing the ball in the street, they put it back on the shelf. After an hour, though, of catch on an asphalt surface, the signature had been abraded. My wife pulled me off the kid.

264 phillygirl  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:32:14pm

Gosh - I'll miss "Ibrahim's" smiling face (not).

Hopefully, he'll be put in jail for a very long time.

265 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:33:13pm

Ha. I still have my prized baseball signed by all of the '72 Tigers. Including Billy Martin, Norm Cash, Al Kaline, Willie Horton, Bill Freehan, Mickey Lolich, Mickey Stanley, Gates Brown and all the rest. Uncle Stanley was an usher.

266 FightingBack  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:33:40pm

re: #249 Paul

Thanks for posting this. Note the $8 million medical malpractice pay out, for Crohn's Disease.

267 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:33:41pm

re: #246 grumpy old codger

I am the President, oh traitor to the Red Sox!

268 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:35:21pm

re: #256 WimbledonWomble

*snicker*

A gentleman's gentleman, indeed.

269 grumpy old codger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:35:28pm

re: #265 Mich-again
I have so much respect for Al Kaline. I remember his baseball cards, but the thing that sticks in my memory is when he turned down a 25K raise from the Tigers, becase he didn't have such a good year. could you imagine that happening this year?

270 Outrider  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:36:07pm

re: #247 tarkus

good point. I'm sure it will be very 'understanding'


Probably along the lines of, "But, he does so much good, this minor.. uh... problem can be excused."

271 Cartman  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:36:34pm

re: #263 grumpy old codger

Wow. A Ted Williams ball. Ouch!

272 grumpy old codger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:38:02pm

re: #267 NY Nana
Like i said earlier, got my heart broken every year through the fifties and the sixties. But the Flubbies never disappointed.

273 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:40:51pm

re: #269 grumpy old codger

I still have my 1967 Topps Al Kaline baseball card. If I had kept the damn 1967 set like I had at one time, it would be worth about $2,200.00 in good shape.

I was such a dumbass as a kid. At least I was smart enough to keep my Lew Alcindor rookie Topps card. It's worth $300-400 last I looked.

274 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:42:54pm
275 grumpy old codger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:43:26pm

re: #273 goodbye_natalie
Remember when you'd "flick" them with your friends? Ah, the innocence of youth! Right now we'd all be kicking ourselves over how much we had wasted. I think I prefer the earlier times, 5 cards for a nickel, baseball was king.

276 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:43:27pm

re: #262 Bearster

I can't tell if you're joking. I hope you are.

Nope.

277 grumpy old codger  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:45:33pm

Good night, All.

278 DesertSage  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:45:44pm

And now for your moment of Zen -


"I would think that if you understood what Communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees, that we would someday become communists."

~ Jane Fonda

279 caliredst8r  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:46:34pm

re: #260 Cartman

I once had a baseball autographed by Roberto Clement, Willie Stargell, and a few other less notable Pirates. We used it a few years later in a neighborhood baseball game. It seemed like a great idea at the time, but to this day I could kick myself for doing that.

280 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:46:36pm

re: #269 grumpy old codger

re: #265 Mich-again
...I remember his baseball cards, but the thing that sticks in my memory is when he turned down a 25K raise from the Tigers, becase he didn't have such a good year. could you imagine that happening this year?

I remember hearing that he refused the raise because he was embarrassed to make more money than the President.

281 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:48:17pm

re: #279 caliredst8r

I could kick myself for doing that.

You should, repeatedly.

282 caliredst8r  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:48:54pm

Blah, PIMF! Roberto ClementE

283 caliredst8r  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:50:11pm

re: #281 Mich-again


Yeah, my Mom reminds me of this quite often, as if I need her to.

284 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:52:00pm

re: #273 goodbye_natalie

re: #269 grumpy old codger

I still have my 1967 Topps Al Kaline baseball card. If I had kept the damn 1967 set like I had at one time, it would be worth about $2,200.00 in good shape.

I was such a dumbass as a kid. At least I was smart enough to keep my Lew Alcindor rookie Topps card. It's worth $300-400 last I looked.

I still have my pride and joy, a '63 Topps Sandy Koufax. Unfortunately, the rest of my collection leaves a lot to be desired.

285 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:52:07pm

re: #272 grumpy old codger

At least we lived to see the Red Sox win a World Series! Be happy Lopps and Carl in Jerusalem aren't here now...you'd be in very big trouble! :)

286 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:52:07pm

re: #275 grumpy old codger

Yeah and you got a nasty tasting piece of gum that smelled great to boot.

287 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:53:07pm

re: #277 grumpy old codger

Uh, a belated good night!

288 Outrider  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:53:40pm

re: #258 screaming_eagle

Ousted for speaking English: Floridian now national focus
Landlord tells businessman to pack up so he can serve 'Spanish need in area'


I got a kick out of the last comment posted. To wit:

The real issue is the landlord's right to do what he wants with the property, McKenna's whining notwithstanding. If McKenna had been a good tenant, the landlord, especially in the current market, wouldn't be asking him to leave. (By the way, for those who don't know it, being in favor of a property owner's rights is generally a conservative position.)


So businessman A is evicting Businessman B because B doesn't speak Spanish and A wants the Spanish speaking business. Sounds like discrimination to me. It is stated that there have been no complaints (which the poster obviously ignores and says so anyway), just businessman A wants Spanish speakers. Period. If I refused to rent my house to a non English speaking person, for that reason, I could (would) be sued and possibly arrested.

289 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:53:50pm

re: #284 rabidsquirrel

Probably the most valuble card I got left is a Nolan Ryan rookie card which unfortunately was too stupid to put in plastic. I wrapped rubber bands around all my cards and they're shaped like suspension bridges with dents included.

What was I thinking?

290 screaming_eagle  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:58:31pm

re: #288 Outrider

Well like the article says. Imagine if the roles were reversed.

291 Outrider  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:58:41pm

re: #278 DesertSage

"I would think that if you understood what Communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees, that we would someday become communists."

~ Jane Fonda


And yet, she chose to stay off her knees and stay in the USA instead of packing up and moving for good to the (old) USSR, or Cuba, or any of the Warsaw Pact countries and actually living that good old fashioned communist life style. Yeehaw!

292 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:59:20pm

re: #289 goodbye_natalie

re: #284 rabidsquirrel

Probably the most valuble card I got left is a Nolan Ryan rookie card which unfortunately was too stupid to put in plastic. I wrapped rubber bands around all my cards and they're shaped like suspension bridges with dents included.

What was I thinking?

You weren't. It's a chronic condition called childhood. Fortunately, most of us grow out of it.

293 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 7:59:55pm

re: #289 goodbye_natalie

Don't feel bad, Nolan Ryan himself threw out hundreds of his own Rookie Cards while cleaning up a closet. Good story if you can dig it up. I remember it from a radio interview pre-internet.

294 Outrider  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 8:01:19pm

re: #290 screaming_eagle

Well like the article says. Imagine if the roles were reversed


The landlord will probably win. Isn't that the part of the country where you can't get hired for any municipal job and few others unless you can speak Spanish?

295 Outrider  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 8:06:13pm

I remember I used to collect all those ball cards for years. I even had all the cards my Uncle had given me. Cards such as Mel Ott, Willie Mays, etc... I just collected them, looked at them and put them in a box. Same with GI Joes. I would get them as gifts, never opening them, just putting them in the box in the closet as I considered them dolls. Lunch boxes w/thermoses, comic books, all that stuff I hoarded. Not because I thought they would be worth anything, I was too lazy to toss them.

My ex brother in law sold all the stuff while I was overseas on my first tour in the Army. As a druggie, he probably got a penny on the dollars for the stuff.

296 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 8:13:47pm

re: #291 Outrider

re: #278 DesertSage


"I would think that if you understood what Communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees, that we would someday become communists."~ Jane Fonda


And yet, she chose to stay off her knees and stay in the USA instead of packing up and moving for good to the (old) USSR, or Cuba, or any of the Warsaw Pact countries and actually living that good old fashioned communist life style. Yeehaw!

C'mon, you don't expect an elitist like her to ACTUALLY want to live in a country full of Asians or brown people, do you?

297 screaming_eagle  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 8:18:55pm

re: #294 Outrider

I think it is. I saw a special on TV about it several years ago. It's prolly only gotten worse.

298 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 8:35:31pm

#278 desertsage

...and that right there shows what a stupid effing bitch she is.

PRAY on your knees?

I forgot how much Communism supports religion.


Jane, you ignorant slut.

299 spikester  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 9:17:17pm

so the government is not shutting down cair because...

300 Highrise  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 9:42:02pm

re: #299 spikester

so the government is not shutting down cair because...

we don't have a terrorism problem here in America..it's all overseas.

There, finished the sentence for yas.

301 Xango Annie  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 10:08:21pm

For all of you guys who love Tony G...my DS is a friend of his and admires him greatly...and he has no illusions about professional athletes..quite the opposite, that world is his profession.

302 Ledger1  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 11:50:20pm

re: #32 Ma Sands

You could be right.

It could have been staged to take the spot light off CAIR's trail.

CAIR could have staged a situation where “non-lethal” soda “bomb” came in close proximity of two CAIR members. Given the timing that is very strange.

There are plenty of guns if So Cal. If someone wanted to pop a cap in two of CAIR’s employees they could have done it easily. It would have been just another drive-by shooting. Those happen all the time.

303 Dustyvet  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 12:00:15am

re: #37 socalinfidel

This makes Rep. Ellison look really bad...wait till his constituents get aload of this!

Now what's this idiot done?

304 Dustyvet  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 12:01:23am

re: #302 Ledger1

re: #32 Ma Sands

You could be right.

It could have been staged to take the spot light off CAIR's trail.

CAIR could have staged a situation where “non-lethal” soda “bomb” came in close proximity of two CAIR members. Given the timing that is very strange.

There are plenty of guns if So Cal. If someone wanted to pop a cap in two of CAIR’s employees they could have done it easily. It would have been just another drive-by shooting. Those happen all the time.

On the surface, this has got inside job written ll over it...

305 Ledger1  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 12:30:03am

re: #302 Ledger1

re: #32 Ma Sands

You could be right.

It could have been staged to take the spot light off CAIR's trail.

CAIR could have staged a situation where “non-lethal” soda “bomb” came in close proximity of two CAIR members. Given the timing that is very strange.

There are plenty of guns in So Cal Phoenix. If someone wanted to pop a cap in two of CAIR’s employees they could have done it easily. It would have been just another drive-by shooting. Those happen all the time.


Change that to Phoenix. I was talking and post at the same time.

306 saywhat?  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 6:15:41am

Realizing I'm late to this thread, (I did not read all the comments either) I wonder how many of the groups named will also receive intense scrutiny and legal action against them.

On the other hand, recent events detailing efforts to meet with previously designated terror organizations makes one wonder if what appears to be contradicting policy is actually a back door effort to undermine the 'terror org.' designation to avoid future legal consequences such as this post indicates is unfolding with CAIR.

307 Daisy  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 7:16:26am

North Carolina State Sen. Larry Shaw is a proud board member of CAIR. Shaw and CAIR have been in collusion for some quite some time (CAIR had Shaw going to Africa for God knows why back in the early 80's).

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

[Link: www.cair-net.org...]

In 2006, when Shaw accepted board membership at CAIR, I wrote to him in the (false) hope that he had accepted the position naively. Not only was he fully aware of what CAIR is about - he was proud. We exchanged several e-mails. His responses frankly (and frighteningly) became increasingly sinister. This is a guy who feels completely protected by the Islamist henchmen at CAIR (and the m/s media who have consistently avoided dealing w/CAIR) he's hidden as well by the usual ignorance that lulls constituents into voting more or less blindly for local politicians - saving up 'fact finding' for national elections (which also does not happen).

308 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 7:18:27am
309 Is it me?  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:35:59am

OBAMA

Not just a Dim-wit, now an in ternational Dim-wit. Pakistans' political make up is volatile at the best of times. I can't be bothered to say I told you so, so I won't. Just how stupid can he be?


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