The effect of the correction on global temperatures is minor (some 1-2% less warming than originally thought), but the effect on the U.S. global warming propaganda machine could be huge.

No, it won't. The propangists pimping the whole global warming hysteria don't care about the facts. They'll just keep using the old data and ignore the correction...

I predict this will be totally ignored by the MSM, who have bought lock stock and barrel into the Global Warming argument.

The NASA data will be soon classified as "insignificant".

Ha-ha!

Will they change their global warming theories to fit the revised data?

well maybe not. Shucks!

But....global warming.....Al Gore....Earth day........

/I sense a disturbance, like a millions hippies crying out, then suddenly silenced

No, shit. Global Warming is nothing more than a leftist ploy for more government control over our lives,and a replacement for any religion they have jettisoned.

If you follow the links you'll eventually find NOAA temperature stations in asphalt parking lots next to giant AC heat exchangers for institutional buildings.

/Science!

If Algore said the world if warming, it must be true. I don't care what the facts are.

The effect of the correction on global temperatures is minor (some 1-2% less warming than originally thought), but the effect on the U.S. global warming propaganda machine could be huge.

Wait until the whole truth comes out- then you'll see a huge effect, and not just on the propaganda machine, but the entire environmental industry.

/Hope you enviro-heads have other jobs lined up.

Gored again!

Algore's head to explode in 5...4...3...2...

/but the narrative is still valid sayeth the moonbat

re: #10 insanity police

"if," "is." Tomato tomato. Just one of those days. It must be the heat.

Y2K? For Pete's sakes, I thought we buried that pureed horse years ago.

In 1999 I was living with an undiagnosed bipolar roommate who had a steady pot habit, and he was completely paranoid about Y2K... Needless to say, it was a relief when Nothing Happened (I knew we'd be fine but he didn't believe me).

I hate to hear that it actually had some kind of effect.

The wheels on the gravy train are starting to come off, oh well, if this latest socialist con fails they'll just come up with something new, BTW did anyone read that aticle purpoting that global warmeringathing ACTUALLY causes earthquakes and volcanoes?

re: #6 Stonewall

well maybe not. Shucks!

Oh you didn't need to go delete yourself.
Buck up, it was a good solid third, and you still get a pretty ribbon.

Coyote Blog has more details on this, and the possible malfeasance of the man responsible for the database involved, James Hansen.

More here.

How dare rank amateurs question the orthodoxies of the learned!

Stonewall: that's your second deleted 'first' comment. Please read the notice at the top of the page; if I have to delete one more of your posts for that reason I'll block your account.

OMG, as it turns out, the scientist in the 70's were right all along, it is getting colder! The earth is going to freeze! We are doomed! Doomed I tell you!

Is this really significant? So there's one mistake in one chart that was published by NASA. That surely can't undermine the whole Global Warming thesis.

Also, note that this doesn't disprove global warming or that global warming is man-made, but the data doesn't show as severe an increase in temps for the US as had been claimed. It makes the warmest year on record come from the 1930s, not 1998 as was long argued. It also means that any climate models based on the data is suspect because garbage in=garbage out.

Amazing Video:

"The Great Global Warming Swindle"

Look at meee! I'm causing global warming...wheeeee!

/runs around room with blow dryer on and set to hot/high fan setting

but the effect on the U.S. global warming propaganda machine could be huge

Could be but won't. I've already read several blog entries dismissing the new numbers that because the US only represents 2% of the planet's surface, the change is insignificant.

However, these folks are in agreement that because Canada contributes 2% of GHG, it is imperative that we curb emissions by at least 50% immediately if we are to save the planet.

Why their heads haven't exploded remains a mystery.

The effect of the correction Human activities on global temperatures is minor

fixed

re: #21 filetandrelease

OMG, as it turns out, the scientist in the 70's were right all along, it is getting colder! The earth is going to freeze! We are doomed! Doomed I tell you!

That's not an unreasonable assumption. Sudden, deadly cooling is the norm over the last million or so years. If we're honest about the science it appears we're in an unusually stable period. As in... The exact opposite impression you'd get reading the breathless "science" articles at papers like The Guardian or networks like CNN.

Rats, I guess I need to start unloading all the property I was snapping up in Greenland.

I wonder...could the presumed increase in global temperature be related to air conditioning? We are transferring heat from inside buildings to outside. I would think it insignificant compared to the energy the sun hits us with, but what do I know, not being a scientist (with an axe to grind/fund.)

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But....global warming.....Al Gore....Earth day........

/I sense a disturbance, like a millions hippies crying out, then suddenly silenced

Lol

Nice, Obi-wan!

Now if they'd just admit that the "hockey stick" graph is full of crap.

global warming........Al Gores jedi mind trick on america....and then the world!

Beagle makes a good point. We should be much more concerned with a cooling trend than a warming trend. History shows that humanity has thrived in warmer times.

re: #22 justnobody

Is this really significant? So there's one mistake in one chart that was published by NASA. That surely can't undermine the whole Global Warming thesis.

Read the article. It's not "one mistake in one chart."

beagle (#9),

If you follow the links you'll eventually find NOAA temperature stations in asphalt parking lots next to giant AC heat exchangers for institutional buildings.

See? Proof that global warming is man-made. ;-)

re: #8 maddogg

No, shit. Global Warming is nothing more than a leftist ploy for more government control over our lives,and a replacement for any religion they have jettisoned.

Their refusal to acknowledge the Religious Impulse inherent in humankind means they will be constantly duped, over and over again... They hate white people's religion, but they worship ideas at least as abstract and irrelevant to their daily lives as God supposedly is. AGW falls into this category.

I'd like to see some numbers comparing church attendance vs. Live Earth tickets sold.

For a laugh, point out to a Left Coaster that they've replaced God with the Democrats, and that "Republicans = Satan" is their chief article of faith, and see what happens. You don't even have to say it directly. Just casually mention that both parties suck, and watch them stop talking and start blinking. Cannot process... Democrats good, Republicans evil... Equivalence between parties not possible... Abort, retry, fail?

re: #20 Charles

Stonewall: that's your second deleted 'first' comment. Please read the notice at the top of the page; if I have to delete one more of your posts for that reason I'll block your account.

There's only one thing lamer than a person who tries to post a "first" comment.

It's someone who tries to post a "first" comment and fails, as evidenced by the fact that you deleted comment number three.

A big problem for the faithful...

What pisses me off more than anything is the way they treat this as THE crisis, and if you don't believe in this, it's over.

I'm all for decreasing my "carbon footprint", and by that I mean I'm all for lower electricity bills and paying less for gas - not to mention importing a lot less oil from countries who hate us. I've switched to all flourescents and look for MPG when buying a car. I live in a mountain valley, so I'm all for less smog in the air. I'm something of an environmentalist, I suppose, but mostly what I want is clean air in this valley and lower bills. I'd love to see renewable power so the U.S. can be free of foriegn influence, but I know as well as most that it isn't possible in the near term. Still, let's keep researching.

But these climate change nuts... geez... it's absurd. Millions and millions thrown down the drain. People like me alienated. It's so idiotic. It's the stamp of the "true believer" to give all hail to the Goracle and declare the earth has a "fever".

but but these climate computers are programmed by Diebold. Karl Rove muse surely be behind this

/goracle

The justice dept should investigate Algore and his ilk for RICO violations. This is the biggest scam in history. Follow the $$ from these bogus carbon offsets.

More at American Thinker....

For those who have not seen it, plese take the time to watch this important documentary:

The Great Global Warming Swindle 1 of 8
The Great Global Warming Swindle 2 of 8
The Great Global Warming Swindle 3 of 8
The Great Global Warming Swindle 4 of 8
The Great Global Warming Swindle 5 of 8
The Great Global Warming Swindle 6 of 8
The Great Global Warming Swindle 7 of 8
The Great Global Warming Swindle 8 of 8

/and 8 is must see, imo.

Al Gore while sitting in his 20 megawatt per month mansion, eating his dinner of endangered shark, stops and feels something...and thinks to himself, "I feel a disturbance in the force."

re: #4 so.cal.swede

The NASA data will be soon classified as "insignificant".

No, I predict that the tinfoil hat brigade will claim that NASA changed their figures under pressure from Bushitler and the Eeeeevil Oil Companies. Obviously, the Y2K story is just part of the cover-up.

Y2K bug? This is comical...that any worse than it took 7 years for experts to figure that out? To state that I have a complete lack of confidence from anything received from academia, gov't or government funded science is an understatement of biblical proportions.

And to think there is still about half the country that thinks it a grand idea to let the same quality individuals manage our health care. Hey, when does American Idol start back up?

re: #23 lawhawk

Agreed. This doesn't prove there is no Global Warming, but the point is nobody has proved the existence of man made Global Warming either!

The whole Global Warming issue is nothing more than Leftists yelling BOOM! and then claiming the sky is falling, cause you heard BOOM! didn't you? So, the evidence is"undeniable".

re: #36 Pawn of the Oppressor

Excellent post.

The original and erroneous "scientific" work should receive the Dan Rather Award for Advocacy Science.

#22 justnobody,

1934 is now the hottest, and 3 others from the 1930's are in the top 10. Furthermore, only 3 (not 9) took place since 1995 (1998, 1999, and 2006). The years 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004 are now below the year 1900 and no longer even in the top 20.

Sounds significant to me.

re: #35 Geepers

beagle (#9),

If you follow the links you'll eventually find NOAA temperature stations in asphalt parking lots next to giant AC heat exchangers for institutional buildings.

See? Proof that global warming is man-made. ;-)

LOL

50th!

Darn. Ok. Enough of that.

The global warming lemmings and antimodernists have never allowed facts to interfere with their theories before; why should we expect them to start now?

Nevertheless...

BwaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa! This means Y2K caused global warming!

re: #37 JamesTKirk

What about someone who tries 50th, and fails. I hang my head in shame.

re: #23 lawhawk

Also, note that this doesn't disprove global warming or that global warming is man-made, but the data doesn't show as severe an increase in temps for the US as had been claimed. It makes the warmest year on record come from the 1930s, not 1998 as was long argued. It also means that any climate models based on the data is suspect because garbage in=garbage out.

I'm not sure about your last sentence. Good models are usually robust to errors in data, because the data cannot be measured with perfect accuracy anyway. So if the glitch did not cause a very significant error in the data, the models' prediction should not change much.

So Y2K had an effect after all. Wow.

lurking faith,

And if Y2K caused global warming, that means that *computers* caused global warming. And since computers caused global warming and man created computers, MANKIND must be responsible.

It all makes sense now. ;)

I didn't realize Y2K was still a problem for the estimates. What would also be nice is if they would correct the amount of carbon dioxide they input into their estimates, since it's currently running at higher than the actual levels produced. About double, IIRC.

re: #54 insanity police

Your sentence: you must wear a condom while masturbating, in an attempt to control the impulse to holler 50th!

re: #54 insanity police

re: #37 JamesTKirk

What about someone who tries 50th, and fails. I hang my head in shame.

I'm trying for 69. Let me call my wife.

Hey, we need a new paradigm shift! Hey, we need to construct bell curves and calculate the deviations! Hey, we need to implement Total Quality Management! Hey, Islam is a Religion of Peace!

They won't believe it.

It's the reason that Gore-el sent his only son Kal-el to save us.

I can vouch for the fact that the Y2K 'bug' was not bullcrap. It was an annoying little problem that was caused by a shortcut some programmers (myself included) took. It was tedious work to scrub it out of the computer code and rebuild databases to accommodate a four digit date field. I had my doubts as to whether it was going to cause any planes to drop from the sky on Jan. 1, but it doesn't surprise me in the least that it caused problems in a lot of places that did not want to admit it.

re: #57 hebrewtoyou

Shhhh... You'll give away the evil capitalist conspiracy. :)

I thought I noticed something a little different. Date and time of story now under headline instead of by the number of comments under the story.

re: #44 JamesTKirk

NASA = U.S. Government Organization = untrustworthy by LLL

Does this mean I can put my lights back on...and cook on my stove again?.
It's been REALLY dark and I been REALLY hungry.

woot! ha
Gore Shmore!

re: #8 maddogg

Global Warming is nothing more than a leftist ploy for more government control over our lives,and a replacement for any religion they have jettisoned.

Being an Economist, I of course see the issue through that lens. The left has tried for many decades to impose socialism/communism world wide, a without much success. That is one reason why they hate Reagan so much, he showed the folly, totalitarianism and inherant weakess of those economic systems. Just flip through KOS, HuffPo, DU or any other left wing blog (if you can stomach it) and you will see the main posters still absolutely drooling for socialism/communism.

So now the left has latched onto Global Warming as the new Great Trojan Horse upon which they can try to impose public ownership of the means of production.

Again, socialism and communism have the same ultimate goal in mind, they just disagree on the best tactics for getting there.

heh

re: #59 maddogg

Or a sock?

I remember sitting around planning rooms trying to come up with the best solution for the Y2K problem. It was agreed that we would just go with a four digit year and I told them that weren't we just introducing a Y10K problem?

re: #67 Angel

Does this mean I can put my lights back on...and cook on my stove again?.
It's been REALLY dark and I been REALLY hungry.

And drive your car, too.

re: #65 TimeQuake

waves* Hiya~!..TGIF!
and its rainin like the dickens in NYC.
global wetting.

re: #67 Angel

Does this mean I can put my lights back on...and cook on my stove again?.
It's been REALLY dark and I been REALLY hungry.

woot! ha
Gore Shmore!

The great unwashed masses can wash again! Gore be praised!

Will we still be able to get potable drinking water after all this? When does Project Runway start this fall?

re: #60 JamesTKirk

"Do or do not, there is no try." (Yoda)

re: #72 3 wood

woohoo...puttin away my pony and tricycle. heh

re: #20 Charles

End Global Firsting now!

re: #68 3 wood

Again, socialism and communism have the same ultimate goal in mind, they just disagree on the best tactics for getting there.

Just like Hamas and Fatah.

re: #74 Beagle

o yea...running water?..was that allowed. I forget the Gore Rule Book.

Here's my take on it, though:

NASA updated their figures. Great. So will all the other scientists go back and check their data to make sure they aren't being hit with the same problem? They should, if they have any ethics at all. I fear too many won't, as it might mean they lose their NSF grant money.

Possibly it's another case of the left hand of the government not watching what the right hand is doing.

I think there is evidence that points to global warming. Mars is warming up, too. The big question is it man made or not. I'm not sure.

I like the idea of getting off of oil to break the backs of the Saudis, Iranians and Venezuelans and other bad oil guys.

Fusion is the answer! [Link: powerandcontrol.blogspot.com...]

How on Earth can Al Gore, a man so fabulously wrong on almost everything, still be listened to by so many? There seems to be a curse on him - everything he does bombs (except the internet ;) ).

Who will tell the Goracle? The data the Goracle used was fudged by the same person(Dr Hansen) who charged the Bush administration of political pressure. Yes fudged, all the errors went in the direction of proving the conclusion the globull warming alarmists wanted.

The data no longer matches the outcome, now what.

I wonder if anyone in the press is going to ask Mister Gore about this.

Probably not.

I guarantee you if you were to add up the real cost of stress caused by ignorance, the detrimental health effects and corresponding costs would far outweigh anything worse than global warming, global cooling or Y2K could have ever invoked.

Is Dancing with the Stars going to be on again this year?

re: #82 GregInSeattle

"You don't believe in all this fusion mumbo jumbo do you?"

In fact, 5 of the 10 warmest years on record now all occur before World War II.

Meaning before the post-war economic (pollution producing) boom years. Before increases in man-made CO2.

/All covered in my links @ #42. Again- please watch them if you haven't.

re: #63 ec marm

You're right; Y2K wasn't all bullcrap. There was the potential for a lot of trouble from confused/"duplicate" dates and data.

But most of the hysterical pronouncements (courtesy of the MSM, who did not understand at all what the actual trouble was) were prizewinning bullcrap. When I think of Y2K, I usually think of the moronic hysteria rather than the actual annoying recoding issue.

well two have already beat me with the links so I will not repost them, but add me to the List of Lizards that recommends watching "The Great Global Warming Swindle"

I've been saying for years that, if there is indeed a danger of major climate changes, which, given our understanding of the past, there is... we need to put our efforts into developing resources and technologies to adapt to such changes. Most of the past changes obviously didn't have anything to do with us, it's crazy to assume that all future changes will suddenly be under our control. Changes in the sun, our solar system's movement through the galaxy, stray objects passing by, etc.

Add to that the fact that all of the "political solutions" simply cause economic dislocations and slowdowns in Western countries and don't have any effect on places like, oh, say, CHINA, it's pretty obvious that the political AGW movement (which is what we're really talking about here) is just another facet of the "hate the West" movement.

In other words:

A) Climate change prediction is rough at best, and certainly uncertain.
B) Most (or all) past climate change hasn't been because of us.
C) Most theoretically possible climate change drivers are out of our control.
D) Politically, the majority of future "pollution" is out of our control.

Given this, the obvious rational response to the "threat" of "climate change" is to prepare for it.

Crippling your own capacity to prepare for it by limiting your own access to resources is about 5 miles further down the same path as "the height of folly."

And given the tendency of the "other side" of the argument to do things like hide their algorithms to their faulty data (this article and the famous "hockey stick") and try to conflate GW and AGW during arguments, there's an additional reason to suspect that there are impure motives behind the "climate change" political movement.

Of course there's climate change. It's been doing that for millions of years! I've heard that the Vikings were growing crops in Greenland a thousand years ago, hence the name. No, we shouldn't go out and pollute the planet with impunity, but all the global warming hysteria is getting a little ridiculous.

If ye purchase indulgences carbon credits ye may go forth and multiply thine sinfulness.

re: #83 tappin52

How on Earth can Al Gore, a man so fabulously wrong on almost everything, still be listened to by so many?blockquote>

But have you seen his hair?

Oh wait..
Does this mean we need a sequel to

The Inconvenient Truth?

damn stupid quotes

re: #73 Angel

*waves back*

Sorry, out of it today. Been the "bug" on the windshield for the last couple of days. Noticing odd things.

re: #87 akak

re: #82 GregInSeattle

"You don't believe in all this fusion mumbo jumbo do you?"

I do! I also believe in aircraft, nuclear energy, X-rays, radar and the 1969 moon landing. Look up Bussard. He's been around a long time and has a great resume. We can do just about anything we put our minds to.

So Gore is finally dropped from Rock Star status to blabbering Inconvenient truther, by a blogger using the internet that Gore invented, to research NASA records of weird Global warming trends..

There is a God of Poetic justice.

Regardless of whether there is global warming, the U.S. needs to break its dependency on foreign oil from the Middle East. It makes me sick when I think about the terrorist lovers who profit every time I fill up.

re: #97 TimeQuake

re: #73 Angel

*waves back*

Sorry, out of it today. Been the "bug" on the windshield for the last couple of days. Noticing odd things.

Odd things?
Do tell!

re: #95 Angel

Oh wait..
Does this mean we need a sequel to

The Inconvenient Truth?

The Inconvenient Retraction

re: #99 ibmkeyboard

So Gore is finally dropped from Rock Star status to blabbering Inconvenient truther, by a blogger using the internet that Gore invented, to research NASA records of weird Global warming trends..

There is a God of Poetic justice.

Instant Karma?

what goes 'round............ heh

How does this correlate globally since the article says this only changes US data?

re: #81 vxbush

So will all the other scientists go back and check their data to make sure they aren't being hit with the same problem?

This problem or any other problem they find in their models. If the input's wrong, the output's....

re: #102 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Inconvenient Retraction

lol..luv it!
and another sequel to that too no doubt!

re: #38 JustAVoter

A big problem for the faithful...

What pisses me off more than anything is the way they treat this as THE crisis, and if you don't believe in this, it's over.

I'm all for decreasing my "carbon footprint", and by that I mean I'm all for lower electricity bills and paying less for gas - not to mention importing a lot less oil from countries who hate us. I've switched to all flourescents and look for MPG when buying a car. I live in a mountain valley, so I'm all for less smog in the air. I'm something of an environmentalist, I suppose, but mostly what I want is clean air in this valley and lower bills. I'd love to see renewable power so the U.S. can be free of foriegn influence, but I know as well as most that it isn't possible in the near term. Still, let's keep researching.

But these climate change nuts... geez... it's absurd. Millions and millions thrown down the drain. People like me alienated. It's so idiotic. It's the stamp of the "true believer" to give all hail to the Goracle and declare the earth has a "fever".

I'm with you. I want better energy sources and I certainly invest in and/or practice recycling, reduction of consumption, efficiency, green products, hybrid cars, etc. wherever practically possible at my current income level, but I always choke when I hear some hollywood nitwit say we have to "Save the Earth".

From what?

Pollution has actually gone down since the bad old days of the industrial 60's and 70's. The air is cleaner and, although there are more of them, cars are more efficient (even SUVs, which I still hate anyway). Companies are going green everywhere. Frankly if we licked this Saudi Oil dependency bullshit and went "hybrid vehicle" nationwide (perhaps through trade-in programs?), we'd be paving the way for a lot of future success in this area.

The biggest impact isn't going to be from buying carbon offsets from Al Gore and attending some dumbass concert. It will be from finding an incentive for people to cut consumption, and increasing energy efficiency at home and abroad.

re: #100 insanity police

Regardless of whether there is global warming, the U.S. needs to break its dependency on foreign oil from the Middle East. It makes me sick when I think about the terrorist lovers who profit every time I fill up.

Sadly our very own politicians and Pres and gummint will never do that...
FOLLOW THE $$$$.

re: #100 insanity police

It makes me sick when I think about the terrorist lovers who profit every time I fill up.

More wisdom in one statement than in all the "global warnings" combined. What a tangled web we have weaved.

justnobody (#55),

So if the glitch did not cause a very significant error in the data, the models' prediction should not change much.

Well yeah, maybe.

So, what if you fed the model say, random data, and the results didn't change?

Global Warming Bombshell

A prime piece of evidence linking human activity to climate change turns out to be an artifact of poor mathematics.

The mathematics behind the model are what's important, (not to mention the results the modelers want to achieve.)

re: #107 Pawn of the Oppressor

Amen!

re: #94 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Is Brylcreem a pollutant?

This is the theory Jack built.

(Scroll down to the last poem on the page.)

It’s possible NASA scientists needs some help with their facts and data. Maybe they should hire Reuters.

Further thought.

When Young Blonde Actress says we have to "Save the Earth", what she's really saying is "Save my lifestyle". Guilty consciences are a bitch.

re: #101 Angel

I'm blushing. LOL

re: #20 Charles

Stonewall: that's your second deleted 'first' comment. Please read the notice at the top of the page; if I have to delete one more of your posts for that reason I'll block your account.

Ouch!

Global Temp data tracks very nicely with Solar output variations. I've been all over this explanation for years. There are a number of Solar variation cycles, several of which recently peaked. This happened around '97/'98 if I remember correctly. It explains many of the oddities that the man-made GW crowd has trouble with, such as the Medieval warm period and the Little Ice Age.

Damn, time to work again. Why can't these extremely complex software systems fix themselves yet?

re: #112 tappin52

No. A little dab will do you!

re: #60 JamesTKirk

re: #54 insanity police

re: #37 JamesTKirk

What about someone who tries 50th, and fails. I hang my head in shame.

I'm trying for 69. Let me call my wife.

I'll leave the room.

re: #98 GregInSeattle

just a quote from a movie.....I prefer nano though.

Playing devil's advocate here. Won't the Al Gore types simply shift the goalposts here and say: "Even the global warming doubters agree that half of all the warmest years have happened in the last 60 or so years."

They can make a chart and show that in the gazillions of years from the beginning of the Earth to the end of WWII, there are 5 of the hottest 10, and in the mere 60 years since, there are 5. Not exactly equal. Of course, it coincides with nicely with the first use of nuclear weapons, by, you guessed it, the United States! So, it is still the US as the bad guy.

"US use of nukes triggers global warming along with deaths of women, children". I can see it now.

sdg

re: #110 Geepers

justnobody (#55),

So if the glitch did not cause a very significant error in the data, the models' prediction should not change much.

Well yeah, maybe.

So, what if you fed the model say, random data, and the results didn't change?

Global Warming Bombshell

A prime piece of evidence linking human activity to climate change turns out to be an artifact of poor mathematics.

The mathematics behind the model are what's important, (not to mention the results the modelers want to achieve.)

Did they forget to carry the 1?

The biggest impact isn't going to be from buying carbon offsets from Al Gore and attending some dumba*s concert.re: #107 Pawn of the Oppressor

speaking of pple at concerts............wonder what the pea brained half nekked rock stars will have to say now.............

New meaningless cause anyone?
Save the _______ ?

re: #110 Geepers

That's what I'm talking about, Bro.

Stick a fork in Global warming.
(for intellegent thinking people at leat)

NASA data was off.
Mann hockey stick chart a hoax.
Surface temperature record sites are affected by local variations, a recording station on the roof of a building.
Mid level and high level temps show no increase.
CO₂ levels trail temperature not lead.
Climate cycles closely correlate to Solar cycles

Any questions class?

The "science " of global warming reminds me of a Texas Aggie joke:

An Engineering professor from Texas A&M was invited to a conference on space travel by NASA. He went, of course, and listened closely to all of the projects other large universities had going on. Soon, he began to feel inadequate and jealous, as A&M had no space related projects at all.

After he could tolerate it no longer, he spoke out to nobody in particular, that A&M was going to send an Aggie to the Sun!

The room got very quiet while the other professors contemplated this statement.
Directly, a professor from MIT asked the Aggie what he intended to do about the problem of the Sun's terrific heat, and how they could survive.

We've solved that problem, he said smugly, quite pleased with himself...We've decided to go at night.

1934? The year Alcatraz was built?! Prisons cause climate change! Wiki gives several more very likely reasons why it was so hot in 1934. Well, likely if I was as irrational as a moonbat.

re: #60 JamesTKirk

re: #54 insanity police

re: #37 JamesTKirk

What about someone who tries 50th, and fails. I hang my head in shame.

I'm trying for 69. Let me call my wife.

she called back and said How about 68 and an IOU

re: #116 TimeQuake

well dang then email me ya goof! Heh

If Al Gore is worried about global climate change and the damage man has wrought, wait until 2 billion folks from India and China discover there's something called an air conditioner and they crank those up come March.

That will really fry his fat ass.

re: #15 Pawn of the Oppressor

I hate to hear that it actually had some kind of effect.

You must have missed the trillions of dollars for hardware, software and labor to keep it from causing a meltdown.

Lead assestment co-ord on contract to CBSI/Columbus
DEC/VAX y2k admin COTA,
Remediation and Testing ombudsman ODE,
Lead programmer/bug fix Nationwide Siebel DB for PEBSCO/NEA implementation.

re: #100 insanity police

Regardless of whether there is global warming, the U.S. needs to break its dependency on foreign oil from the Middle East. It makes me sick when I think about the terrorist lovers who profit every time I fill up.

I agree. Start drilling in ANWR, off the coasts of California and Florida, and anywhere else there might still be oil in the U.S. Plus keep up the hydrogen research.

re: #107 Pawn of the Oppressor

Frankly if we licked this Saudi Oil dependency bs...

There's the rub.

What the Global Warming hype models also ignore is the "Urban Heat Sink" factor. For those that do not know what this means, Cities themselves generate heat that is not natural. I think it is about 100 sensors they use are located in major cities around the country.

The most extreme example I think think of for this is the city of Las Vegas (which is one of the sensor locations). Anyone care to guess how much heat is generated by the lights in that city?

Well those modelers have decided to ignore it and that it is not important to their accurate models.

re: #124 Angel

They won't let the truth get in the way of their agenda. Conspiracy theories are so helpful to them in this area. It's always a Republican conspiracy...or the Jooooos did it. So they can ignore reality.

re: #124 Angel

It is a summer-like 54 degrees here right now.

re: #100 insanity police

Regardless of whether there is global warming, the U.S. needs to break its dependency on foreign oil from the Middle East. It makes me sick when I think about the terrorist lovers who profit every time I fill up.

The US completely cutting ourselves off from M.E. Oil would basically do dick about cutting off funds from the M.E.

Us cutting off foreign aid would probably do more.

Oil is a commodity. If we buy only Canadian and South American and Russian oil, and use our own, then China and India and Europe will buy slightly more M.E. oil and we will simply have affected our consciences without cutting off funds to the terror regimes.

There is a way to affect terror regimes, but it's nasty and time-consuming. We're doing it in Afghanistan and Iraq. It sucks, but I'd really love to see an alternative that would actually have an effect.

Now, if we find some magic new technology that renders oil as cheap as water, that would be something. But that's one of those things you can demand all day long, but it's basically going to happen when it happens.

re: #127 maddogg

I love a good Aggie joke. I still remember the "101 Aggie Jokes" series of books, from the '60s.

Is it just a coincidence that this mistake was discovered after NASA had to sober up?

re: #29 dmjung

Rats, I guess I need to start unloading all the property I was snapping up in Greenland.

I'd say, hold on to it, at least for about another 500 years. If we are repeating the Medieval Warm Period, Greenland should become habitable again. And if we ever do something stupid like sacrificing our national economy at the altar of Kyoto, you might need a new place to live.

re: #121 akak

re: #98 GregInSeattle

just a quote from a movie.....I prefer nano though.

How can nano tech be used to generate power?

re: #138 Merovign

/good luck with that...even with a Republican POTUS after the next major attack

re: #140 kcladderman

Is it just a coincidence that this mistake was discovered after NASA had to sober up?

Oh no you didn't!

ROFL

re: #130 Angel

At least you have me laughing...today.

re: #110 Geepers

I'm pretty sure we discussed that here a while ago.

The MSM, not surprisingly, has let it sink into the memory hole. Probably because (a) it undermines one of their core beliefs, and (b) they don't understand a single sentence of this article anyway.

And many "mainstream" scientists, showing once again that they are as susceptible to fads, cliques, and closedmindedness as anybody, don't even want to think about its implications.

Would you set your ass on top of a million pounds of explosives put together by the lowest bidder without a touch of the grape?

re: #128 bosforus

1934? The year Alcatraz was built?! Prisons cause climate change! Wiki gives several more very likely reasons why it was so hot in 1934. Well, likely if I was as irrational as a moonbat.

Claudette Colbert, she's the reason. She was HOT!

Ace has a good roundup on this from last night.

Related:

Your Children Are Being Indoctrinated

re: #124 Angel

Save the pea brained half nekked rock stars?

What annoys me the most on this issue are the constant accusations
from man-made-global-warming-alarmist that those that dare question their assertions are toadies for "big oil" yet no one questions their own "big government" motives;...... in the USA alone, thousands of jobs are dependent on government global warming research .... many scientist will need to start sending out resumes if the man-made global warming theories are shown to be incorrect.... but more importantly Liberal politicians, always itching for more government control, love this issue! this "emergency" gives them an excuse to regulate every aspect of our lives!

Where are those sneaky little hamsters? I want a list of their names now!

the site has been linked from another, very popular blog and that is why it is crashing, running slow. 6000 concurrent users online here.

Incredible stuff here from Debbie Schlussesl:

Islamofascist Fox Now "Guarding" Infidel Medicaid Henhouse

[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]

re: #82 GregInSeattle

I think there is evidence that points to global warming. Mars is warming up, too. The big question is it man made or not. I'm not sure.

I like the idea of getting off of oil to break the backs of the Saudis, Iranians and Venezuelans and other bad oil guys.

Fusion is the answer! [Link: powerandcontrol.blogspot.com...]

I've heard of the Martian ice caps shrinking as well. This would tend to indicate that the situation does not originate in the tailpipe of my SUV. Just a bit. Unless Al Gore generates that much hot air...

Second on your thoughts about getting off oil, though I'm not so sure about the fusion. Last I heard, fusion was still a bit of a reach. If we go to an all-electric method of distributing energy -- fusion plant, wind farm, hydro, whatever -- then battery technology will also be an issue: how do you get your fusion-generated energy into your car, and how do you refuel conveniently during a cross-country trip?

No simple answer yet, I think, but it would be nice for the national security not to have to rely on imported petroleum.

re: #152 NY Nana

The hamsters are useful little idiots in a Beaumontian scheme.

/ 6/9 Troofer

Well Hell,
There goes our company's newest game

Thermo Nuclear Global Warming,
Destruction of the Earth.

monsters with massive carbon footprints destroying cities and shit.

I hate frigging bloggers.

Totally OT

Fallback LGF now has a new commenting system,
(haloscan, same as on my site and also Jammie's, Lawhawk's and many others)
it allows us to ban IP's and control commenting better,
also it is easier to sign in and out of for commenters/posters.

Sorry if anyone hates it
but for now,
and for free,
it's the best way we have of controlling the comments.

Thank yew for yer support!

This has been a public service announcement from the Zionist Hobby Center.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

re: #156 Sharmuta

I hereby charge you with causing a massive Fresca™ spew!

Ace is also knocking Drudge right now over this (top of page).

I'm a little tired of Matt Drudge's jacka**ery

re: #129 shug

Remember what Carlin said about a 71.

So, you would think that a major correction to the data that provides one of the key 'facts' used by the global warming crowd would get some media play? Eh, not so much.

Why is it that the media isn't picking up on this story - if only to turn the tables on Newsweak that invested so heavily in last week's agitprop puff piece that claimed only the GW deniers were doing it because of the evil money cult?

Paul at Wizbang has another tale of woe on global warming.

re: #132 BenZacharia

re: #15 Pawn of the Oppressor

I hate to hear that it actually had some kind of effect.

You must have missed the trillions of dollars for hardware, software and labor to keep it from causing a meltdown.

Lead assestment co-ord on contract to CBSI/Columbus
DEC/VAX y2k admin COTA,
Remediation and Testing ombudsman ODE,
Lead programmer/bug fix Nationwide Siebel DB for PEBSCO/NEA implementation.

The media wasn't talking about you guys too much back then. I remember a whole lot of attention focused on Bill Clinton's Legacy, MTV, dot coms, super bowl commercials, "Jackass", and the then-new "fusion" of hip-hop and metal music. Frankly it wasn't hard to believe the world was going to end, but not for the reasons you listed.

The Big Lie is their GOD.

Would it be irony if the people who had freaked out in 1999 about Y2K were the same ones who are freaking out today about global warming.

Or would it just go to show that some people are simply prone to freaking out over the crisis de jour?

Sounds like an Inconvenient Truth to me.

Not that it will matter much to the lefty nut cases.

Dang punctuation

Memo to WarmMongers: recalculate your AlGorerithims.

em>re: #42 Sharmuta

For those who have not seen it, plese take the time to watch this important documentary:

The Great Global Warming Swindle 1 of 8
The Great Global Warming Swindle 2 of 8
The Great Global Warming Swindle 3 of 8
The Great Global Warming Swindle 4 of 8
The Great Global Warming Swindle 5 of 8
The Great Global Warming Swindle 6 of 8
The Great Global Warming Swindle 7 of 8
The Great Global Warming Swindle 8 of 8

/and 8 is must see, imo.

Or see the whole thing in full screen in one file courtesy Google Video

re: #105 Sharmuta

re: #81 vxbush

So will all the other scientists go back and check their data to make sure they aren't being hit with the same problem?

This problem or any other problem they find in their models. If the input's wrong, the output's....

Okay, I went and read one of the links given above (sorry, don't recall whose) and see that the issue is the data, not the analysis of the data. So you're exactly right. EVERYONE who deals with this data has to go back and run their analyses again.

Re: the global question: the post in question noted that temperature sensors in other countries (like China) haven't been around for over 100 years, so there's no way to compare. And, I'm guessing the methodology used by GISS to "tweak" the data isn't applied to non-US data.

Now, everyone who has taken stats, repeat after me:

You don't just throw out the outliers. They contain important information 99% of the time.

That doesn't exactly apply in this case, but it's good to remember when you start thinking about "fudging."

Can we get a rimshot for the Goracle?

I've written a lot of posts on mmgw here, but this one's my favorite.

TO: Charles Johnson, et al.
RE: Solar Cycles, the Collapse of the Mayans & Anasazi & the Dust Bowl Years (1930s)

"The warmest year on record is now 1934." -- report on NASA data as cited by Charles Johnson

Interesting.

There is a reported 206 year solar cycle that correlates well with the collapse of the Mayan and Anasazi civilizations. And, the last 'hot spell' of that cycle was the Dust Bowl days of the 1930s.

Check Suns 200-year cycle may have doomed Mayans for details, then do the math.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Sun is more powerful. on a daily basis, than all the CO2 all of mankind has ever produced.]

re: #91 Merovign

Hear, hear! Well said and with an economy of words. You spoke a book.

Unfortunately your assumption that all the climate change alarmism is actually about climate change may be flawed. Climate change alarmism is probably a combination of mass hysteria caused by an ingrained human religious impulse and yet another cynical socialist power grab. Toss in a leftist dream of a Rousseauian paradise of organic soy beans, goat herding and composted human poop, and you have the present environmentalist movement.

I've heard that in Tennessee there was a large popping sound coming from near the Gore compound, where power bills are well over $2000.00 a month, with no sign of "conserving".

Evidently, it was Algores head exploding.

Damn! There goes my plans for a coconut plantation in Sault St Marie. And no wonder my Avocado trees wont take. Ive been had!

"The earth has a fever, and Al Gore is its' rectal thermometer."

Wish I could recall which Lizard made that comment - it was a few months ago. Has to be one of the funniest comments of all time.

And the UN is ready to go to Iraq! I am prone to believe that it means that the surge is working. Fun Day!

The Mideval Period was 13 degrees warmer than it is now, and the earths climate balanced itself out just fine without global warming hysteria running rampant.

I'm sure it would have been much tougher telling the Vikings and Drueds that they needed to cut down on the amount of methane their horses were belching out of their butts, and that their campfires were producing way too much carbon dioxide.

Maybe there were global warming kooks back in those days, but the sword evidently stopped them "cold".

Global warming kooks like Algore should be sedated and strapped down in a mental hospital for life, for starters.

Everything Harry Mudd tells you is a lie.

re: #169 Whammo

I thought they'd yanked it.

As many great men and women have said throughout the ages...

"Sure sucks to be them, huh?!"

"Save your Confederate Global warming Bonds.. The temperature will rise again." - CSA Gen. Al Gore

Quick! Put Algore on suicide watch!

He was irrelevant before his "the planet has a fever" crusade. Now his arrogant, unctuous self has moved all the way to "laughing stock". What a buffoon.

re: #155 amphibian

with fusion and high temp super conductors, then it would be OK to use water and break it down for the hydrogen for use as fuel.

also, high temp super conductors make great batteries, just do NOT short circuit it or you are in deep poop.

re: #22 justnobody

Is this really significant? So there's one mistake in one chart that was published by NASA. That surely can't undermine the whole Global Warming thesis.

No, but it sure does demonstrate how tenuous that thesis is--dependant, as it is, on computer models designed by highly fallible creatures known as "humans".

re: #95 Angel
Oh wait..
Does this mean we need a sequel to
The Inconvenient Truth?

Yes, It's called "A Very Convenient Lie"

re: #180 Peacekeeper

But I'd like a crack at his women?

Wow! One panic attack causes another! Fantastic! : )

Someone should start a chain of gasoline stations and call it —

"Greenhouse Gas"

I read a report about some of this a week or so ago. It seems there is also a major problem in how the data is being collected. It seems that many of the sensors are in locations in which other factors effect their readings. Such as being placed new air conditioning compressors, exhaust vents, pavement etc.

I doubt we can trust any of the data gathered in the past decade.

re: #178 chubby vegan

This is good, because with the UN in Iraq,

The viscous 5th column in the USA will be at least quieter.

re: #191 deacon

The sensors in the countryside tell a different story from the sensors in what are called "urban heat islands".

re: #107 Pawn of the Oppressor

The biggest impact isn't going to be from buying carbon offsets from Al Gore and attending some dumbass concert. It will be from finding an incentive for people to cut consumption, and increasing energy efficiency at home and abroad.

I think you're looking at the wrong end of the pipe. Why shouldn't increasing energy availability be the goal? Could you imagine a world where electricity costs would be considered inconsequential compared to other costs (of production/living)?

When I see "incentive" used in the quoted context I see the word "tax". When I see "increase efficiency" I see "expensive". Keep your hands off my wallet. :)

re: #82 GregInSeattle

I think there is evidence that points to global warming. Mars is warming up, too. The big question is it man made or not. I'm not sure.

Well, obviously global warming on Mars is our fault! We sent up that little Rover that's been running around, polluting the place, didn't we?

/true believer mode off

I just couldn't resist the way you worded that...

I thought this part of the myth of "human driven climate change" was outed a long time ago?

Ay carumba! Even the Simpsons have jumped on the eco-bandwagon. The premise of The Simpsons Movie (spoiler alert): Springfield becomes so polluted, courtesy Homer, that the evil EPA is forced to seal it off with a huge dome. The only thing that was missing was a scene with an animated Al Gore ranting about The End Times while pointing to a large map of the world (and then trying to hawk his carbon credits, customized to fit all sizes of carbon footprints).

Nothing like being preached to by a bunch of 'toons.

re: #193 Ojoe

re: #191 deacon

The sensors in the countryside tell a different story from the sensors in what are called "urban heat islands".

From the report I read, even many of the sensors in the country are placed in improper area and thus are giving erroneous data.

Global warming hysteria and Chomsyite anti-Americanism are different shades of the same idiocy.

So, if you were a global warming huckster peddling your theory, what would you do if it was becoming increasingly evident that the globe were not really warming? Why, you would claim that warming was going to slow for the next few years and then really take off to catastrophic results.

Here you go sir, a big, steaming plate of global warming alarmism packaged to sell. Just as you ordered....

I hate being cold anyway.

Check out this report.
More Co2 had benefits.

[Link: www.oism.org...]

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LOL!
GEEEEK!

And our level-headed, fact-checking friends at Reuters have this piece of excrement on their website.

The (corrected) facts notwithstanding.

"A well-funded, global-warming denying machine" Bah.

re: #174 distwalker

re: #91 Merovign

Hear, hear! Well said and with an economy of words. You spoke a book.

Unfortunately your assumption that all the climate change alarmism is actually about climate change may be flawed.

Thank you, and well said. Except that I didn't make that assumption, and I'm not sure why you think I did.

As I have stated elsewhere, a significant portion of all leftist political maneuvering is a "cover" for control efforts and power-seeking. There's also a ton of mythology in left-environmentalism, medievalist fantasy, childish idealization, and so forth.

Mind you, the playas are all in it for power, it's just the donors that are living in a fantasy world.

re: #100 insanity police

Regardless of whether there is global warming, the U.S. needs to break its dependency on foreign oil from the Middle East. It makes me sick when I think about the terrorist lovers who profit every time I fill up.

Either the sheiks in Saudi, Kuwait, etc. are our friends or they are using oil money to fund the terrorists' war against the West. If the latter, the solution isn't to stop buying oil. The solution is to take it back! It would be justified to take it by force only based on the fact that they are waging war against us. But we have also forgotten that all of this oil was developed by Western companies and that the arab governments took ("nationalized") it in the 1950's and 1960's.

re: #198 deacon

From the report I read, even many of the sensors in the country are placed in improper area and thus are giving erroneous data.

Some of the sensors were actully placed at major metropolitan airports.

Glaciers are melting all over the world. I'm just saying.

That this entire gloabal warming issue is exploited "by true believers" for personal and political gain, I do not doubt. That there is clouding of judgment and integrity in some cases I do not doubt. That the contaminating presence of Al Gore is an example of the above I do not doubt.

But what about the glaciers? I don't know how unprecedented this melting really is - have not looked into it much.

For the record, I don't think this admission of error will change a damned thing. Environmentalism is a religion. Its adherents believe in it on faith. Facts do not cause people to change their faith.

Environmentalism is the Western anti-West religion (islam is also anti-West, obviously). Environmentalim encompasses:
- tree hugging
- animal "rights"
- socialism
- anti-man feminism
- anti-caucasian racism
- anti-defense pacifism / support for islam
- worship of brain-dead and psychologically broken "heros"
- totalitarian dictatorship

re: #78 CyanSnowHawk

re: #20 Charles

End Global Firsting now!

Good Lord!
I read "End Global FISTING".

/In the gutter. Of New York City. The Bronx.

I heard that Y1K caused the Stonehenge collapse.
I really became suspicious of the GW numbers when I read about the "Urban Heat Island" correction factors. Back in industry where materials react to absolute temperatures, as soon as you plug in correction factors you had better stand back. You have gone from data to guess.

re: #207 Wm T Sherman

Some glaciers are retreating. Others are growing.

"Climate change" is a reality. This is NOT the same as "Global warming".

"Global warming" is NOT the same as "Global Warming caused by Humans".

We have 3 different topics, jumbled into one by lying lefties.

re: #204 Merovign

I apologise for assuming you assumed. Like you I believe that global warming hysteria is based, in different people, on the following:

1: A pseudo-religious belief system in which man is a sinner who most repent and repentance includes suffering. These people have an instinctual religious impulse to believe in man's sinful nature and to prescribe suffering as repentance. This has been a common human state-of-mind since the dawn of time and, with the decline of traditional religion, is manifesting itself as global warming alarmism. These people believe they are the Church of Algore of Latter Day Saints.

2: A typical leftist hatred of bourgeoisie society and a desire to return to a fictional but pastoral Rousseauian past. These are your Ted Kaczynski types that believe that all humans should raise chickens, grow a garden and poop in an outhouse. These folks believe in the "noble savage" and believe that primitive life is far superior to modern post-industrial society. These people completely ignore the short, brutish violent lives most pre-industrial people lived.

3: Finally there are the socialists who cynically use global warming alarmism as a means to seize power and control the economy.

There is one other type. This type, I believe, are represented by you and by me. If the climate is changing, there is very little we can do about that change. What we can do is what humans have always done as a result of climate change: adapt to it. Let's get busy.

#212 distwalker

Excellent analysis.

Sorry, it's USHCN stations in seas of asphalt next to heat exchangers.

What are those silver things just behind the unit? They are the cooling fans for the building's AC. Basically, all the heat from the building removed by the AC gets dumped out about 25 feet from this temperature measurement.

And it's not alone.

Run chicken Little, the sky is falling!

erm...

nevermind

/Hansen

re: #195 lurking faith

re: #82 GregInSeattle

I think there is evidence that points to global warming. Mars is warming up, too. The big question is it man made or not. I'm not sure.

Well, obviously global warming on Mars is our fault! We sent up that little Rover that's been running around, polluting the place, didn't we?

/true believer mode off

I just couldn't resist the way you worded that...

I guess I should have been a little more explicit : ) To be clear, there may be global warming. If there is, it probably is due to the Sun increasing output, as we're seeing warming on Mars, too. Man MAY OR MAY NOT be contributing to the heating on earth.

you see....it was global warming that caused this screw up in the data in the first place. I know this for a fact because it is certainly "globally warm" today where I live. 104 degrees F shut down my digital oxygen meter right out of the box. My dog don't like it either.....and she swims all day.

Question.......if the temp has changed by 1.5 degrees F over the last century, why should I be concerned? Anyone?

There is no god but Gaia, and Al Gore makes a profit.

#208 Bearster 8/10/2007 12:43:42 pm PDT reply quote

"Environmentalism is the Western anti-West religion (islam is also anti-West, obviously). Environmentalim encompasses:
- tree hugging
- animal "rights"
- socialism
- anti-man feminism
- anti-caucasian racism
- anti-defense pacifism / support for islam
- worship of brain-dead and psychologically broken "heros"
- totalitarian dictatorship"

And if I may add:

- 1984 style manipulation of language, "peace" marchers supporting Hamas and the military invasion and destruction of Israel.
- Superstition and mysticism. Crystal healing / un-scientifically researched herbal and alternative medicine.
- Support of violence, murder and rape by eliminating prisons and reducing or eliminating sentences for those who perpetrate such crimes. ("Schools not prisons" is a slogan commonly bleated out by the left)
- Drugging of male children to produce more docile, easy to control "students". (I know that sounds like a tin-foil hat conspiracy theory, but how many schools suggest that kids be drugged? It's very common.)
- Consistent attacks on the family in order to have the state raise children. Elimination of parent's rights to guide their children.

I could go on all day but I should probably get some work done.

Maybe if I voted Democrat I wouldn't have to work any more. Isn't that the way it supposedly works?

from #207 Sherman

But what about the glaciers? I don't know how unprecedented this melting really is - have not looked into it much.

Go for a drive from Spokane to Seattle-the deformed part in the middle is from melting glaciers

NYC closing in on record cold temperature today.

The current temp in NYC: 58F

That's quite a bit cooler than they had predicted 24 hours ago.

Ok, I'm late for this thread...busy working and have to leave.
One thing about Global Warming or global Cooling for that matter IMHO, is cause and effect by NATURE folks. Every time some Expert claims to find the Sword of Damocles, nature proves them wrong. If the earth is warming do we honestly believe by returning towards 18th century technology will have any effect? How many volcanoes erupt and spew H2S, noX, Co, CO2 and other toxic gasses into the atmosphere? We are all still here despite that. I'm obviously not an expert but I respect the natural forces because I can't change them, we can't even predict the weather three days out (at in CA, they can't).

/sorry 'bout the drive-by...gotta get back to the grind

All chemical solutions to energy supply are destined to fail.. oil and hydrogen the latter because it takes 3 times as much energy to produce as hydrogen makes in return. Oil because it will run out in 75 to 100 years.
The only way we have to go is solar, water, and for short term.. atomic.
Solar is making some progress.. but is a long way off.. Atomic is dangerous long term because of waste issues, but is the only way we know to get massive power we need for future growth. Water power has been the most dependable, cleanest, and cheapest since it was started. But is under attack in the west.. but how did China go.. a huge water power plant. If I was betting man I'd say Water power needs break through research.. tidal power.. siphon power.. something to use more of the unused resources of water power we have.
I didn't mention wind power.. It works, but can you base a world on something that undependable? It's a secondary power resource at best.

Yosemite Valley is caused by a missing glacier.

The warmest year on record is now 1934. 1998 (long trumpeted by the media as record-breaking) moves to second place. 1921 takes third. In fact, 5 of the 10 warmest years on record now all occur before World War II

.

But what about the biggest "Blowhard?"

Wouldn't that be Al Gore, 2005 ---------

On a related note, here’s an idea on how to flummox your friends, family and co-workers who are eco-conscious and global warming true-believers.

The popular emphasis on how to slow down the increase in atmospheric CO2 is to reduce emissions but there is another side to the equation – sequestration. We’re talking the carbon cycle. As carbon – in the form of CO2 - is released to the atmosphere about 55 percent is reabsorbed by a variety of mechanisms, including oceanic absorption, terrestrial and ocean biomass, calciferous rock formation, etc. Each of these sequestration mechanisms holds the carbon for a varying period of time before it’s eventually released. This is the carbon cycle. Naturally, carbon held in rock is sequestered for the longest time – millions of years – and carbon in the terrestrial biomass the shortest time – as short as 46 years for some forest types. Therefore, if we want to reduce the increase of atmospheric CO2 we need to sequester as much carbon as we can by a mechanism that has a long carbon cycle. For instance, research is now being done on pumping CO2 down old oil wells – basically, burying the carbon. Burying is a grand way to sequester carbon for long periods of time.

Now, consider the landfill.

In global warming terms, a landfill is not just a smelly dump – it is a long-term carbon sequestration site. Everything organic contains carbon. Newspapers, paper bags, plastic, cardboard – all contain carbon. If these items are recycled, the carbon cycle is extremely short. However, if they are buried in a landfill their carbon cycle lengthens considerably – even to thousands of years for plastics. Therefore, any recycling of organic material is harmful to the environment and could actually destroy the earth through global warming. (That’s the way to express it to your eco-buddies anyway.) Talk about a mind-boggling conundrum – their heads might explode. And if they squawk about the shortage of landfill sites, tell them to drive through Wyoming – there’s enough room for the whole world’s garbage for a thousand years.

Do something about global warming. Quit recycling!

(Biodegradable is bad too.)

By the way, the latest global warming "news" is that we won't see any real global warming effects until about 2009. On a totally un-related coincidence, 2009 just happens to be AFTER the next big election.

Gee, what are the odds?

What really bothers me is that Hansen refused to provide the algorithm. Dr Michael "Hockey Stick" Mann did the same thing when his bad chart was questioned.

I'm writing my senators and congressman. These guys need to answer some serious questions.

re: #229 docremulac

It reminds me of an end-is-near cult that gathers the faithful on a hilltop to greet the end of days. When, at the predicted moment, the end does not come, the cult leader always consults the heavens, reveals that his calculations were off, and predicts a precise new time for the end of the world.

They have been pulling this kind of crap for centuries. This is just more of the same.

re: #227 taxfreekiller

#223

Some buds of tfk are working on the tidal power thing, got a good
small working thing they are testing now in the gulf, they have an
old metal building in a small west Texas town and guts and good
heads, and its very scalable, 5 years tops and they have megawatts.

grandfathers bank made them the seed money loan, just because
tfk hates the snotty rich kids of the oilies in Wichita Falls Tx and
Midland/Odessa Tx, go figure the what goes around comes around
when the Apache fund the undoing of the rich elites of America.

Sounds kind of cool, tidal power, TFK. We use solar and wind power over here.

re: #231 distwalker

re: #229 docremulac

It reminds me of an end-is-near cult that gathers the faithful on a hilltop to greet the end of days. When, at the predicted moment, the end does not come, the cult leader always consults the heavens, reveals that his calculations were off, and predicts a precise new time for the end of the world.

They have been pulling this kind of crap for centuries. This is just more of the same.

I so totally agree. Their new messiah, Al Gore, snake oil salesman, bed wetter.

I'm big on the tidal power too.. my father was sent up to maine to Eastport to work on the tidal project they started to build there. 30's 40's was too ahead of it's time. Best ideas I've seen are the wave floats that generate power as they bob up and down.. either by pumping water that drives a generator.. or having a magnetic field of their own that makes electricity.
A engineer friend of mine is working on a siphon system that creates a vacumn that then picks water up and drops it on a water wheel that turns generator.. he wants to make it small enough to fit in a bathtub and be used as emergency generator to power a few light bulbs.. got the idea when he saw several people die useing gasoline generators after Rita.

re: #219 docremulac

- Drugging of male children to produce more docile, easy to control "students". (I know that sounds like a tin-foil hat conspiracy theory, but how many schools suggest that kids be drugged? It's very common.)

Tin foil hat my a$$.

Somewhere in Tennessee, Al Gore just malfunctioned all of sudden in front of his family at the dinner table, after hearing about this very significant news.

well this is all fine and dandy but how the hell does one explain how friggin' hot it is in my cubicle?! HUH?! i'm sweating my ass off...

'll bet if gore had a cubicle next to mine it'd be conveniently cooler, wouldn't it? WOULDN'T IT?!?!?!?!

On the (general) topic...Anyone catch the cover story of Newsweekweak? This is why I rarely read the major "news" magazines anymore. Factually and ideologically, they've drifted steadily into TNR territory.

I also notice that Newsweak is part of the MSNBC conglomerate that pimped "Live Earth" endlessly. But it's only the deniers who are on the take, eh?

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

at last I know, a Single case of System failure due to Y2K bug... so what happened ? do they had registered the data in 1899 ?

And one more thing, why state department is using Windows ? its vulnerablitiy had already cost US in loosing even nukes.... can't we just use Solaris, Mac, FreeBSD and other smart OS.. instead of Windoof...

Global Warming My Ass... hope it becomes a more popular saying.

STOP CONTINENTAL DRIFT!

Hmm, Dubai must have had a heads up on this, as they have opened an ice bar...no alcohol served. I don't think Ed of the many names, or his sockpuppet would want to go there. :)

I cannot make this stuff up!

Does this mean we will freeze to death in New England?
Please disregard the correction and bring global warming back!

re: #243 el brujo

Does this mean we will freeze to death in New England?

Not as long as Teddy Boy is around.

re: #92 Cygnus

Of course there's climate change. It's been doing that for millions of years! I've heard that the Vikings were growing crops in Greenland a thousand years ago, hence the name. No, we shouldn't go out and pollute the planet with impunity, but all the global warming hysteria is getting a little ridiculous.

exactly. and it was the later cooling which turned greenland to ice and the refusal to adopt to the natives ways of doing things that killed off their colony. too bad.

#241 easy peasy lemon squeezy

sorry about that... i'm really bored and hot at work today...

"STOP CONTINENTAL DRIFT!"

yep, gore needs to rally up a new cause of stopping continental drift caused by *american obesity... isn't controlling/legislating how americans eat already in play?

*our excess weight, as a population, is affecting/accelerating the movement of tectonic plates which - - in 10 years or so - - will destroy our planet with uncontrolled volcanic activity and sea-level rise.

TO: kirche
RE: Yeah!

"STOP CONTINENTAL DRIFT!" -- kirche

I support...

Reunite Gondwanaland!

Regards,

Chuck(le)

re: #22 justnobody

Is this really significant? So there's one mistake in one chart that was published by NASA. That surely can't undermine the whole Global Warming thesis.

It demonstrates a rather significant problem in methodology. No matter how trustworthy Mr Hansen may think he is, other people have to have access to the raw data. There has to be peer review for science to work. NASA's data and the method Mann used to create the hockey stick had none. That crap has to stop before any one should take global warming seriously.

re: #15 Pawn of the Oppressor

In 1999 I was living with an undiagnosed bipolar roommate who had a steady pot habit, and he was completely paranoid about Y2K... Needless to say, it was a relief when Nothing Happened (I knew we'd be fine but he didn't believe me).

And what, say you, is your old roommate doing now?

Has anyone notified the beoch at the Weather Channel yet? That cow was calling for the firing of any weather person who did not toe the global warming line.

I would like to know what our resident weather person Ed thinks of all this. His opinion I would trust.

Susan

re: #91 Merovign

In other words:

A) Climate change prediction is rough at best, and certainly uncertain.
B) Most (or all) past climate change hasn't been because of us.
C) Most theoretically possible climate change drivers are out of our control.
D) Politically, the majority of future "pollution" is out of our control.

Given this, the obvious rational response to the "threat" of "climate change" is to prepare for it.

Crippling your own capacity to prepare for it by limiting your own access to resources is about 5 miles further down the same path as "the height of folly."

Before A) Climate change detection is rough at best, and certainly uncertain.

And given that observation as proven by NASA, we have no means of knowing if any of our "protections" against climate change are productive. Or worse yet, counterproductive.

So, while I'm in favor of conserving resources, I'm wary of deliberate attempts to spend resources and money to "correct" a condition we can't prove exists. For example the underground storage of CO2.

So which condition should we "prepare" for? Global Warming? Global Cooling? Meteoroid Collision?

Preparation for disaster without data leads to corporate welfare, or even worse, bureaucratic governmental welfare.

Some programmer is going to be cashing a VERY large check from Halliburton/Mobil-Exxon/Etc. I agree with this Y2K bug thing on record so I get my cut for defending the administration and oil companies.

I have asked this several times, and have yet to get a straight answer from the global warming wienies (and I don't really expect any, heh):

What is the correct temperature of the earth?
What about all of the global cooling fears back in the 70s?
When is the climate not changing?

Well, so much for Anthropomorphic Global Warming.

Now maybe we can focus our attention on the real problem:
Globopomorphic Human Warming.

/

This is great! Check this data out -
Bad News for Science in Newsweek
The cover article in this week’s Newsweek is another breathless piece detailing its version of the history of climate change “deniers” and how a few groups with a paltry budget, have successfully, over the course of the past two decades, influenced the course of American politics on the issue of anthropogenic climate change. Newsweek acts appalled at this course of events. The article is basically a telling of history from a one-sided perspective, and is noticeably lacking in hard science. What little science Newsweek tries to slip in, demonstrates the bias and lack of understanding of the most basic issues and facts.
Most of the “science” Newsweek includes in the article is contained in its final paragraph of summation:
Look for the next round of debate to center on what Americans are willing to pay and do to stave off the worst of global warming. So far the answer seems to be, not much. The NEWSWEEK Poll finds less than half in favor of requiring high-mileage cars or energy-efficient appliances and buildings. No amount of white papers, reports and studies is likely to change that. If anything can, it will be the climate itself. This summer, Texas was hit by exactly the kind of downpours and flooding expected in a greenhouse world, and Las Vegas and other cities broiled in record triple-digit temperatures. Just last week the most accurate study to date concluded that the length of heat waves in Europe has doubled, and their frequency nearly tripled, in the past century. The frequency of Atlantic hurricanes has already doubled in the last century. Snowpack whose water is crucial to both cities and farms is diminishing. It's enough to make you wish that climate change were a hoax, rather than the reality it is.
The Really “Inconvenient truths”
And here is what the real situation is:
“This summer, Texas was hit by exactly the kind of downpours and flooding expected in a greenhouse world...”
Can/will Newsweek point to any “downpours” and “flooding” that they consider of the type not expected in a “greenhouse world,” or are all instances of “downpours” and “flooding” examples of “greenhouse world” expectations? Does this mean every time it rains it is because of anthropogenic global warming? What about the “downpours” and “flooding” that occurred in Texas prior to the 1960s? 1940s? 1920? 1900s?
The Flood Safety Education Project (www.floodsafety.com) a non-profit organization whose goal is to “promote flood safety” describes Texas as the state that leads the nation almost every year in flood fatalities and property damage.
The Flood Safety Education Program points out that some of the heaviest rainfall events ever recorded in the world, have occurred in Texas and describe flooding there this way:
Flooding from large storms has affected Texas throughout its history, causing many deaths and much economic loss and hardship. Floods occur regularly in Texas, and destructive floods occur somewhere in the State every year. Many of these floods are destructive because they often occur in areas where extreme flooding had not occurred for many years. These floods often are perceived as unexpected or even unprecedented because their peak water-surface elevations (stages) can greatly exceed those of past floods. “...and Las Vegas and other cities broiled in record triple-digit temperatures.”On average, 81% of July days in Las Vegas reach 100ºF. In several years, every single day in July has equaled or exceeded 100F. In July 1942, 28 days reached 105F, and 17 reached 110F. Of the 31 daily extreme high temperature records for the month of July in Las Vegas, 11 were set during the first 10 years of the record (1937-1936), compared to 8 that were set during the last 10 years (1998-2007).

See, this is the part where I sit back and laugh.

I posted here a couple years back, along with only one or two others, that the man-made global warming crisis was bullshit. Had to put up with thread after thread of other lizards insulting and belittling me.

well. (and you know who you are)

in my most learned, academic voice, I'd like to say:

HAHAHAHA NEENENER NEENER NAAH NAAH :)

I'd translate that, but the true meaning off "neener" would get me banned.

re: #253 Happy Fun Ball

Yeah it's pretty funny ask a Goreon what the "perfect day and climate" is....

invariably it is some hazy vision of a pre-industrial Earth....

I see next months "It Could Happen Tomorrow" on the Weather Channel:
The New Ice Age impacts Miami. And beach front property prices drop as sea levels decrease. It Could Happen Tomorrow...............Morons!

re: #258 RedBullHampster

the key word being "could"...

I almost feel sorry for the Weather Channel Acolytes of Gaia this year thus far....dutifully they predicted "the worst hurricane season ever thanks to the angry wind gods hating your suv...and so far they have had to track storms out into the middle of nowhere and IIRC there has not even been a Cat3....

you know when they are reporting tropical swells as though it is high threat danger news when they are six hundred miles offshore they are in dire straits.

This came up a couple of weeks ago: but it's worth repeating for those who didn't catch it:
AL Gore used Mt. Kilimanjaro for what the American Scientist calls the "poster child" mountain for global warming, that retreating glacier cap. The truth is that the ice cap loss is NOT from melting - it's a constant -3 F thereabouts, that's 35 degrees BELOW freezing at an altitude of 19,000 feet. There has been lower than usual annual rains, a drought, in fact ,in the area. Low new accumulation due to drought, PLUS sublimation due to the cold and the altitude. NOT melting.
Gore's camp conveniently ignores Mt. Kenya, just to the north of the equator - the two mountains are visible from each other, and both are roughly the same height, both carry year-round ice at the equator. While Kilimanjaro is a flat-topped crater, Mt. Kenya is a steep-sloped jagged peak. Mt. Kenya isn't showing anywhere near the loss of snow - also no melting at those highest altitudes. Just has had a bit more rainfall in that neighborhood.
American Scientist had a great article about the glacier cap of Kilimanjaro, proving quite plainly global warming has extremely little or nothing to do with the shrinkage.
Kilimanjaro was picked for the poetry, "Snows of Kilimanjaro" and the photo, which when presented hysterically leads to the wrong idea. If Kilimanjaro was truly being affected by global warming, then neighboring Mt. Kenya would be having the same problems. It isn't.
Lie by omission. Massive, frozen-peaked Mt. Kenya is an inconvenient truth that Gore ommitted.

re: #255 neverquit

This is great! Check this data out -
Bad News for Science in Newsweek
The cover article in this week’s Newsweek is another breathless piece detailing its version of the history of climate change “deniers” and how a few groups with a paltry budget, have successfully, over the course of the past two decades, influenced the course of American politics on the issue of anthropogenic climate change. Newsweek acts appalled at this course of events.

I saw that issue of Newsweek and just rolled my eyes. The thought of journalists lecturing us unwashed rubes about science means we're officially in Bizarro-World.

The left uses every little blip to support the theory of global warming. Katrina was created by our energy greed, etc.

This year has seen a record planting of corn, because of the belief that the corn will be more valuable as we seek to convert it into ethanol to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.

In the years leading up to the hothouse decade of the 1930's, large tracts of land in semi-arid western prairie areas were excessively farmed for corn and other crops which were lucrative at market, but which dissipated the rich organic mix of the soil. Thus during the drought of the 1930's, the "Dust Bowl" became inevitable, because the spent topsoil couldn't resist erosion from wind and infrequent heavy rains. The dislocation of soil into the winds created land spoilage elsewhere in one of he most poverty-ridden eras in our history.

A great deal of suffering occured directly as a result of poor and short-sighted farm management policy.

If we were to open up areas of ANWAR and offshore areas to oil exploration and extraction; if we were to allow new refineries that were built to modern pollution standards; if we allowed nuclear power plants to wean ourselves from the use of coal for electricity; if we used only those means and a few others, we could divert all mined resources from coal and shale oil and other sources into petroleum production for diesel and gasoline supplies for our infrastructure and transportation needs. But we are blocked by liberals from doing any of the above. Refineries, drilling, nuclear power, oil shale mining - these are all extreme evils to those who don't understand the mechanics of world economy and national survival. They want our society to die, drowned in our consumption of energy resources that sap our nation of resources that we need to improve life for all of us.

It's this short-sighted approach, widely supported by a largely-ignorant American public, that is putting our society into greater and greater danger from external pressures.

Know the true enemy, then the path to survival and robust health for our society will be easily revealed.

re: #262 really grumpy big dog Johnson

The left uses every little blip to support the theory of global warming. Katrina was created by our energy greed, etc.

The Kyoto god of transportation, Toyota, was angry that year. Now that the Prius is outselling GM and Ford, he is happy.

See, it works.

/s

This year has seen a record planting of corn, because of the belief that the corn will be more valuable as we seek to convert it into ethanol to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.

When pushwater for the left replaces food for the world, something is definitely wrong. The right God will be angry, soon.

No, dear kaffirs, don't worry. Global warming is a hoax dreamed up by evil liberals who Hate America and want to take your Hummers away.

So don't worry. Keep driving that huge SUV alone to work every day. The train is full of dirty hippies, after all, and you don't want those dirty hippie cooties, do you?

Go right on burning all the oil we can sell you. Heck, we're not worried about global warming -- it's already very hot here in Riyadh and we're a long way from the ocean anyway.

And keep that *KACHING!* rolling in, so we can go right on providing education for young Pakistanis who otherwise wouldn't get one.

A reminder from your friends at the King Abdullah Islamic Scholarship Fund.

#207 Wm T Sherman
see
[Link: epw.senate.gov...]

Latest Scientific Studies Refute Fears of Greenland Melt

Regarding a question of what do you do when you are proven wrong? Leftists waits until Blair and Bush are sucked in then turns on them with a fury and calls them stupid and fear mongers. They make such a stink about it that no one remembers who started the rumor to begin with. That's my prediction. We'll see. Bush has called a global warming conference hasn't he?

There's always more than one side to "major" news.

[Link: www.badastronomy.com...]

This is a reasoned view of the data.