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A Minute of Silence for 9/11 - Banned in Brussels

Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 3:18:32 pm PDT

The socialist mayor of Brussels has banned a peaceful demonstration to commemorate September 11—out of fear of the Religion of Peace™. A group called “Stop the Islamization of Europe” is promoting the event, and here’s their open letter to the mayor.

The Brussels mayor, the Socialist Freddy Thielemans, has, on 9th of August 2007 sent out a press release in which he has banned a demonstration with a minute of silence to commemorate the victims of 9/11 on the 11th sept in Brussels. The reason for the prohibition is that he says he cannot guarantee public safety and that he won’t disturb the Islamic section of the population in Brussels. By invoking the lack of public safety, he is precisely highlighting SIOE’s demonstration title:

Stop the Islamisation of Europe.

SIOE’s message through the 4 slogans is exactly to warn against conditions such as these, where people no longer can use their freedom of expression and feel secure, but the shocking facts are that these conditions already reign at the heart of the EU. SIOE’s demonstration will of course happen, as a peaceful utterance of opinion, an utterance of opinion for which Moslems have countless times received permission to demonstrate in Brussels.

Therefore it is, of course, completely absurd to ban a peaceful demonstration because they are afraid of violent muslim counter-demonstrators!

We kindly ask the major of Brussels to alter his decision and let the free people of Europe demonstrate for their civil rights. We want our right to have a minute of silence to commemorate the victims of 9/11!

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1 pat  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:20:35pm

Totalitarian scum

2 pat  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:21:15pm

How Muslims have successfully diminished free speech in the Western World.
[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

3 TalkinKamel  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:22:08pm

But I thought that Islam was a religion of peace, that the terrorists were a minority, that most Moslems deplore violence.

If that's the case, then why would they object to a peaceful commemoration of 9/11? Why would all those supposedly nice Moslems demonstrate against such a thing?

4 km  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:24:28pm

There is an online petition to support the march.

[Link: www.petitiononline.com...]

5 The Albatross  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:24:41pm

Jewel...Who Will Save Your Soul?

6 NoSubmission  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:24:56pm

My silence is because I am shocked at their dhimmitude.

7 bosforus  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:25:05pm

And if a muslim ends up driving a car through the protesters during their moment of silence I'm sure Freddy will counter with "See? This wouldn't have happened if you didn't have your protest".

8 pat  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:25:08pm

Here is a fine essay on the Brussels decision penned yesterday, so it is highly topical. Europe is quickly turning into a Swedish China. One government with no freedom of speech except for approved ideas, with Muslims given the highest priority.
[Link: gatesofvienna.blogspot.com...]

9 Paul  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:25:39pm

Why should a 9/11 commemoration upset Muslims? After all, they had nothing to do with the attacks which, as they always tell us, were engineered by the Mossad or Rove.

10 varmint  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:26:01pm

belgium... an old german word meaning "speedbump".


i know they comprehend ideas like freedom of speech, and freedom of assembly; but do they actualy have a bill of rights?

11 TimeQuake  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:26:19pm

I can only dream (and hope) that there will be a huge turnout for this event.

12 D'kian_  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:27:36pm

So now Muslims may be offended by silence?

13 pat  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:28:08pm

Last time France had a peace march, the Muslims beat the male marcher, assaulted the female marchers ,and stole the marchers phones and MP3s. So much for solidarity.

14 Piglet-U93  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:28:50pm

Why? Its fear and the result is cowardice, groveling and submission.

No fear.

15 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:30:02pm

I am beginning to see why the people of "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" regarded the word "Belgium" with such disgust.

16 SusanL  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:30:18pm

re: #4 km

There is an online petition to support the march.

[Link: www.petitiononline.com...]

Come on folks, there are only 751 signatures. We CANNOT let this prohibition stand. If we do the consequences are dire.

Susan

17 miamitech  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:31:16pm

didnt rummie call them a bunch of chocolate making nobodies?

18 FQ Kafir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:31:42pm

Give me a minute with that mayor.

19 D'kian_  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:32:03pm

Oh, another thing. Since the mayor admits his government cannot perform its basic function of protecting the rights of the citizenry, then I would urge the people of Brussels to stop paying taxes until such time as their government deigns to protect their rights.

20 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:32:09pm

Isn't this Brussels the capitol of Eurabia? Those twits better wake up or they're gonna wake up headless!

21 just another four-letter word  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:32:45pm

Good luck to you, protestors, we're with you! I'd go anyway and "Damn the torpedoes!"

Let's roll over the rock and see what crawls out.

JAFLW

22 Tasty Beverage  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:32:51pm

I signed the petition. We need to go viral with this -- send it to Michelle, Hot Air, etc., but also to European blogs as well. The signatures shouldn't be mostly from Americans. We have Euro LGFers (that includes you Brits now), so get on it. There's "No Pasaran", "Davidsmedienkritik", they get some traffic. There are obviously more but I don't speak their languiddies.

23 me  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:33:06pm

Eurabia is not a done deal, yet.

But almost.

24 Onslow  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:33:25pm

A moment of silence is just so provocative.

25 miamitech  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:33:56pm

okay to be fair to belgium. I have been there and its nice. Antwerp and in the south "flanders" area is nice. Great beer, great chocolate, and clean.

26 KingKenrod  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:34:07pm

Socialists only care about socialist petitions.

Belgians got to march in the streets.

Do they still have elections in Europe? Why do idiots keep winning?

27 shug  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:34:09pm
he cannot guarantee public safety and that he won’t disturb the Islamic section of the population in Brussels


sit

roll over

good dhimmi.

28 Paul  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:34:17pm

This is the PC/multiculturalist/socialist interpretation of freedom of speech, "You have the right to say whatever you want so long as it doesn't offend anyone."

This interpretation is already practiced on American campuses where it is used to quash conservative opinion.

29 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:34:20pm

re: #23 me They are on a slippery slope with faulty brakes.

30 bosforus  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:35:23pm

re: #4 km

There is an online petition to support the march.

[Link: www.petitiononline.com...]

legal question: will that online petition do any good? does the belgian government recognize the voice of online petitions?
-also interesting to see the petition to remove alberto gonzalez being paid for by john edwards

31 NoSubmission  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:36:20pm

I signed it.

32 Fjordman  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:37:26pm

Guys: Believe it or not, but this is actually good news. He said more or less openly that we now live in a totalitarian society ruled by Muslims. He probably provoked more people into joining the demo.

33 southernborn  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:38:40pm

re: #9 Paul
And I thought THEY said jews did it...evil slips everytime.

34 just another four-letter word  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:38:45pm

re: #14 Piglet-U93

Why? Its fear and the result is cowardice, groveling and submission.

No fear.

"Mostly Harmless"

JALFW

35 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:39:09pm

WooHoo! I'm on the petition.

36 Colonel Panik  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:39:32pm

What happened to the Belgians? Dieudonne Saive must be turning in his grave.

37 FQ Kafir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:39:47pm

"Watch out, Britain, says Paul Belien: Belgium has become a major recruiting base for al-Queda Brussels"

According to a recent inquiry ordered by a Belgian parliamentary commission, Brussels has become a major recruiting base for al-Qa'eda and a launch-pad for terrorist attacks on neighbouring countries. The commission investigated the failure of the Sûreté de l'Etat, the Belgian secret service, to screen Islamic terrorists. On 5 June, Mrs Godelieve Timmermans, the head of the Sûreté, resigned after the report concluded that the Sûreté had remained passive because it had found no indications that the terrorists would attack Belgian targets, and also because the Sûreté did not want to discredit certain corrupt Belgian authorities or politicians for fear that these might attribute to the secret service 'a racist or xenophobic attitude towards immigrants or Muslims'.
38 km  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:40:00pm

re: #30 bosforus

re: #4 km


There is an online petition to support the march.

[Link: www.petitiononline.com...]


legal question: will that online petition do any good? does the belgian government recognize the voice of online petitions?
-also interesting to see the petition to remove alberto gonzalez being paid for by john edwards

At this stage I am prepared to try anything, this needs as much coverage as possible. I hope someone like Prager or Savage picks this up, someone out there must be able to draw their attention to this.

39 ghengis was a wuss  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:40:05pm

I signed it and so did my Danish husband

40 WALT C  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:40:27pm
okay to be fair to Belgium. I have been there and its nice. Antwerp and in the south "Flanders" area is nice. Great beer, great chocolate, and clean.

That's only because it isn't totally islamified yet. If the process continues, it will look like every other muslim sh**hole country in the world. Filthy streets, abject poverty, women dressed in sacks, public beheadings for lunch, etc. etc.

41 just another four-letter word  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:40:28pm

re: #25 miamitech

okay to be fair to belgium. I have been there and its nice. Antwerp and in the south "flanders" area is nice. Great beer, great chocolate, and clean.


Sure, but what will it be like after the [bigoted word]s finish (Finnish?) their takeover? Food for thought.

JAFLW

42 just another four-letter word  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:41:20pm

re: #29 pingjockey

re: #23 me They are on a slippery slope with faulty NO brakes.

Fixed that fer ya!

JAFLW

43 bosforus  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:41:33pm

re: #38 km

i agree. i signed it as well.

44 bulwrk  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:43:40pm

re: #25 miamitech

okay to be fair to belgium. I have been there and its nice. Antwerp and in the south "flanders" area is nice. Great beer, great chocolate, and clean.

So was Lebanon.

45 FQ Kafir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:44:08pm

Terrorists In Europe Find Base In Belgium

It was in Belgium, for example, that the two Tunisian killers of Ahmed Shah Massoud, the Afghan resistance leader who was assassinated in September 2001, received logistical support. Disguised as journalists, they carried Belgian passports and had traveled to Afghanistan from Belgium.

Even defense lawyers involved in the Asparagus 18 trial acknowledge the attractiveness of Belgium as a support center for international criminal and even terrorist activity.

"Belgium has become a logistical base for these people," said Didier de Quévy, a defense lawyer who has been involved in terrorist cases in the past and is representing one of the defendants. "They have come here because the penalties have been light."

46 republic  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:44:20pm

It's almost sureal, anywhere in the entire world, if a person says, "I don't know about this Islam, or Muslims", and the person is immediately deemed a hateful racist, bigot, and such, lawsuits, and the wires of the world shine a broad beam on the individual, and yet, Islam and Muslim kill various different faiths, ethnicities, people, on a DAILY BASIS, the world around, and they speak very clearly of their true intentions of destroying Israel, the USA and the West, and they carry out those very plans, and people turn away and start whistling in the dark to try and keep their spirits up.

It's absolutely unreal.

47 Piglet-U93  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:45:31pm

re: #32 Fjordman

Guys: Believe it or not, but this is actually good news. He said more or less openly that we now live in a totalitarian society ruled by Muslims. He probably provoked more people into joining the demo.

I think the mayor also insulted Islam by implying Muslims may become violent.

Further confirmation of the standard Islamic protest sign - "Death to those who insult Islam".

The mayor may be asking for a Fatwa but probably won't get one because most Muslims will probably sense the fear and trembling in his statement.

48 Terp Mole  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:46:10pm

Hat in hand, victims are "allowed" Ground Zero access;

Relatives of Victims to Have Access to Ground Zero on 9/11 Anniversary

Relatives of those killed on Sept. 11, 2001, at the World Trade Center will be allowed to descend briefly into the ground zero site on the sixth anniversary of the attack, City Hall said yesterday. The decision was the result of a compromise reached by the families and the mayor’s office on this year’s commemoration of the day.

Ah, the magninimous generosity of the beaurocrat.

49 shug  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:46:19pm
The beatings will continue until you stop calling us violent
50 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:46:53pm

re: #42 just another four-letter word I wanted do do that with another post and didn't know how! Lol. It was Paul #28, don't offend anyone should read "liberals, muslims or other folks with no tolerance for different opinions.

51 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:47:47pm

If you can get your head around it, the lyrics are quite appropriate for the Brussels demonstration.

Power to the Correct People!

52 FQ Kafir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:48:18pm

Belgian Terrorists Could Have Entered US W/O Visa

With Belgian passports that they carried, the terrorists who were arrested, and the woman who blew herself up in Iraq, could have easily boarded an airliner and sought entry into the United States without first obtaining a visa for the United States.

53 republic  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:48:51pm

re: #47 Piglet-U93

by implying Muslims may become violent.

"implying"?

That is the funniest joke that I have seen in days, thank you.

54 Highrise  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:49:09pm

re: #25 miamitech

okay to be fair to belgium. I have been there and its nice. Antwerp and in the south "flanders" area is nice. Great beer, great chocolate, and clean.

I don't think we are being unfair to belgium.

What a cess pool if they are already paralyzed by islamists and now are admitting it by stifling well meaning peaceful citizens of their country. Freedom is dead if the bad guy gets to rule..and those niceties will not exist...just a matter of time.

No, there is no being more fair about this one other than giving the facts hehe.

55 squarepeg  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:49:19pm

re: #25 miamitech

okay to be fair to belgium. I have been there and its nice. Antwerp and in the south "flanders" area is nice. Great beer, great chocolate, and clean.

So the fuck what?

56 republic  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:49:57pm

re: #48 Terp Mole

Hat in hand, victims are "allowed" Ground Zero access;

Relatives of Victims to Have Access to Ground Zero on 9/11 Anniversary
Relatives of those killed on Sept. 11, 2001, at the World Trade Center will be allowed to descend briefly into the ground zero site on the sixth anniversary of the attack, City Hall said yesterday. The decision was the result of a compromise reached by the families and the mayor’s office on this year’s commemoration of the day.

Ah, the magninimous generosity of the beaurocrat.

Bloomturd is a class A1 leftist idiot!

57 FQ Kafir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:50:28pm

Possible Terrorist Training Camps In Belgium

Those cells will not immediately become operational here [in Belgium, ed.], but they often offer logistic support to operational cells abroad. For example, they deliver false documents or help persons ex- [sic.] or infiltrate from and to areas of increased risk, such as Iraq and Afghanistan. There is even an ongoing judicial investigation about a cell that recruits Belgian subjects here to commit suicide attacks in Iraq.
58 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:52:22pm
59 Racer X  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:53:26pm

re: #49 shug

The beatings beheadings will continue until you stop calling us violent.


Rotating title?

60 bulwrk  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:54:54pm

The Brussels mayor, the Socialist Freddy Thielemans, has, on 9th of August 2007 sent out a press release in which he has banned a demonstration with a minute of silence to commemorate the victims of 9/11 on the 11th sept in Brussels.


Maybe they should hold it here.

61 SnoozeAlarm  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:55:03pm

If you want to begin to understand what has been going on in the Islamisation of Europe since 1969, you must read "Eurabia" by Bat Yeor. You will never look at Europe the same way again. Unless something super-drastic happens, Europe is lost to Islam.

62 squarepeg  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:55:24pm

I'm not signing the petition. I think those things are meaningless.

63 Terp Mole  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:57:26pm

Meanwhile in Londonistan;

Grooming of white girls for sex is exposed as two Asian men jailed

A hidden world in which Asian men “groom” young white girls for sex has been exposed with the jailing yesterday of two men for child-abuse offences.

Zulfqar Hussain, 46, and Qaiser Naveed, 32, from east Lancashire, were each jailed for five years and eight months after exploiting two girls aged under 16 by plying them with alcohol and drugs before having sex with them.

One girl's mother is so dhimmified, she offers this juicy rationalization;

However, Ms Cryer added: “I think there is a problem with the view Asian men generally have about white women. Their view about white women is generally fairly low. They do not seem to understand that there are white girls as moral and as good as Asian girls.”

They just need more understanding.

/dhimmitude on stilts

64 Piglet-U93  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:57:31pm

re: #53 republic

re: #47 Piglet-U93

by implying Muslims may become violent.

"implying"?

That is the funniest joke that I have seen in days, thank you.

Possible correction: The mayor insinuated, with a trembling and fearful whine, that Muslims would become violent if the demonstration were to take place.

65 Cicero05  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:57:50pm

The jihadists have won.

Bloody Euro-cowards.

66 shug  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:59:10pm

Today Brussels

Tomorrow Los Angeles

67 Racer X  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:00:29pm

The sharia conspirators (muslims) are promoting the idea that 9/11 remembrances are "anti-muslim". Therefore, again, they are the victim. I predict that in a few years all 9/11 commemorations (in America as well) will be discouraged so as not to "offend" muslims.

68 cookielady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:01:07pm

The slide toward darkness and death continues... they are a mere few yards ahead of us where the angle becomes steeper.

69 CrimsonFisted  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:01:37pm

re: #32 Fjordman

Guys: Believe it or not, but this is actually good news. He said more or less openly that we now live in a totalitarian society ruled by Muslims. He probably provoked more people into joining the demo.

He also said it early enough to ensure it will happen and put a global spotlight on the event.

Do you think that was the intent?

70 Infidelsalwayswin  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:02:55pm

Ironically, Belgium (or what was later to become Belgium) is where Charles Martel was from. You know, the guy who beat off the Islamic hordes from taking over Europe? Funny how things change.

71 LoFlyer  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:03:07pm

Didn't see much point in signing a petition, I am not a resident of Brussels and my vote would not count. If I was a resident, I doubt the petition would matter unless it was signed by all socialists or names starting with Muhammad. European socialism is a friend to any radical religion with minority membership. Political correctness and cowardence only emboldens the Islamists.

72 leepro  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:04:06pm

re: #44 bulwrk

re: #25 miamitech

okay to be fair to belgium. I have been there and its nice. Antwerp and in the south "flanders" area is nice. Great beer, great chocolate, and clean.

So was Lebanon.

Operative word: was

73 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:04:15pm
74 bosforus  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:04:22pm

re: #63 Terp Mole

wow. they apparently aren't that moral if they're 16 and drinking, doing drugs and sleeping with strangers. do people even think before they talk anymore?

75 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:05:32pm

I'll have to look again but I didn't notice any muslim names on the petition.

76 peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:06:09pm

I for one welcome our Islamic masters! All Hail Ants! Islam!

77 bosforus  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:06:27pm

re: #74 bosforus

ah, i see that they were drugged, my mistake

78 bulwrk  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:07:08pm

re: #75 Resistance Girl

Well knock me over with a feather.

79 Racer X  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:07:29pm

re: #73 savage_nation

re: #66 shug

Today Brussels

Tomorrow Los Angeles

Not as long as I live.

I will be the loudest one on Wilshire Boulevard at the head of the march. To hell with those damn Islamists!

Right there with ya Savage

80 Lively  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:08:04pm

re: #63 Terp Mole

Zulfqar Hussain, 46, and Qaiser Naveed, 32, from east Lancashire, were each jailed for five years and eight months after exploiting two girls aged under 16 by plying them with alcohol and drugs before having sex with them.

I'm sure Zulfqar and Qaiser did not consume alcohol (only the under aged victims) because everyone knows it harem.

81 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:08:52pm
82 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:09:30pm
83 peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:10:15pm

On 911 3,000 Americans died but perhaps more tragically, millions of Europeans were enslaved.

84 cookielady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:10:28pm

re: #74 bosforus

re: #63 Terp Mole

wow. they apparently aren't that moral if they're 16 and drinking, doing drugs and sleeping with strangers. do people even think before they talk anymore?

I think it was more like they weren't that smart, being under 16 and typically young-girl-stupid. The 13-15yo crowd is indundated by pressure to become sexually active anyway, and usually the hormonal idiocy of the age group makes them very, very flattered and impressed with themselves if an older man exhibits interest or flirts (yuck to the men who do it).

85 Infidelsalwayswin  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:10:56pm

Maybe these protestors should make some placards generally threatening people with violent murder and maiming, rather than going down the whole worldess, noiseless, peaceful route. That seems to be acceptable.

86 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:12:10pm
87 Racer X  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:12:25pm

re: #83 peacekeeper

On 911 3,000 Americans died but perhaps more tragically, millions of Europeans were enslaved.

A profound statement.

88 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:12:40pm

re: #79 Racer X

Tu participación no es necesaria.
El La Raza lo tiene bajo control.
Necesitas aprender a amigo español.

Energía a la gente correcta.

89 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:12:44pm
90 Lively  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:12:52pm

re: #82 savage_nation

re: #80 Lively


re: #63 Terp Mole

Zulfqar Hussain, 46, and Qaiser Naveed, 32, from east Lancashire, were each jailed for five years and eight months after exploiting two girls aged under 16 by plying them with alcohol and drugs before having sex with them.

I'm sure Zulfqar and Qaiser did not consume alcohol (only the under aged victims) because everyone knows it harem.

Did the girls end up pregnant?

Don't know. Not that close to the situation.

91 Mike in Georgia  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:12:52pm

Well if I lived in Brussels and the mayor said you can't do it. I would
be out with cow bells yelling yes I can. Just sort of rubs me the wrong
way when someone tells me I can't do something. Like the other day
when that nice police officer told me you can't do that and I told him
yes I can and did and rather well I think so why are we having this
conversation? All he did was kinda smile and told me well if you do
it again, you're gonna get a ticket.

92 Racer X  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:13:07pm

re: #86 ploome hineni

and you're not going to tell us about it?

93 Paul  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:13:18pm

Ordinarily I wouldn't take a mayor named "Freddy" seriously, sort of like a President named "Jimmy". But both men are capable of infinite harm if left unchallenged.

94 cookielady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:13:26pm

re: #85 Infidelsalwayswin

Maybe these protestors should make some placards generally threatening people with violent murder and maiming, rather than going down the whole worldess, noiseless, peaceful route. That seems to be acceptable.

I would love to see some posters saying Death to Those Who Kill Us and Death to Terrorists... and maybe a big Duck of Death.

95 kepiblanc  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:14:18pm

Tiens, voilà du boudin, voilà du boudin, voilà du boudin,
Pour les Alsaciens, les Suisses et les Lorrains,
Pour les Belges, y en a plus, Pour les Belges, y en a plus,
Ce sont des tireurs au cul,
Pour les Belges, y en a plus, Pour les Belges, y en a plus,
Ce sont des tireurs au cul.

96 BeerForMyHorses  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:14:21pm

re: #73 savage_nation

re: #66 shug


Today Brussels

Tomorrow Los Angeles


Not as long as I live.

I will be the loudest one on Wilshire Boulevard at the head of the march. To hell with those damn Islamists!

Take that march to Pershing Square. Gen. Pershing knew how to handle Muslims.

97 bosforus  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:15:11pm

re: #84 cookielady

amen to all that. i couldn't figure out a way to point out the idiocy of the woman's quote and not sound like that muslim guy who blamed woman for being raped and also show my disgust for the guys who participated. three points in two sentences is tough.

98 Terp Mole  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:15:27pm

Elsewhere in Londonistan, more "Asians" gone wild;

Hunt for woman's attacker

POLICE have issued an E-fit image of a man they want to speak to in connection with a rape of a 20-year-old woman in the early hours of Saturday, July 14.
===
The suspect is described as an Asian man, 25 to 35 years old, 5 feet 8 inches tall, of stocky build, and with short dark hair.

He was clean-shaven with foreign accent, spoke broken English and was wearing a light-coloured polo type top...

Asian-ophobia!

99 Lively  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:15:42pm

re: #52 FQ Kafir

Belgian Terrorists Could Have Entered US W/O Visa


With Belgian passports that they carried, the terrorists who were arrested, and the woman who blew herself up in Iraq, could have easily boarded an airliner and sought entry into the United States without first obtaining a visa for the United States.

Well, I don't work for the FBI...but someone might want to get down to my alma mater, University of South Florida. The place is crawling with jihadists.

100 Infidelsalwayswin  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:15:44pm

God I hope Endeavour's okay. Wouldn't want to give the Palestinians/wider Muslim world something to take to the streets and 'ulululululululululu!' about. Sadistic bastards. They jsut lvoe it when there's a fatal space-related accident.

101 daughter of patriots  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:16:46pm

OT: NASA is nervous. Belly of space ship open to re-entry weakness? on Fox. Has anyone seen these tiles? I've seen them up close...they look like styrofoam attached with Elmers.

102 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:17:16pm
103 My 2 Cents  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:17:21pm

QUESTION:

Does anyone know what the "4 slogans" are?

I can't find them anywhere. Thank you!

104 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:17:49pm

I want to tell them that we are not going to bail them out of this, three times was enough.

105 Racer X  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:17:52pm

re: #88 IslandLibertarian

The hispanics in L.A. will not tolerate any competition for control. LOL!

106 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:17:58pm
107 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:19:09pm
108 cookielady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:19:28pm

re: #100 Infidelsalwayswin

God I hope Endeavour's okay. Wouldn't want to give the Palestinians/wider Muslim world something to take to the streets and 'ulululululululululu!' about. Sadistic bastards. They jsut love it when there's a fatal space-related accident death of infidels of any kind.

Fixed. And I hope everything's ok, as well. When will we learn not to put teachers on shuttles? :-(

109 Ginn  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:19:45pm

2010

A minute of silence... for the city formerly known as Brussels

110 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:20:56pm
111 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:21:19pm
112 kepiblanc  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:22:04pm

This Belgian mayor makes it clear to all us EU-untermenschen (i.e. infidels) that we live in The Fourth Reich.

113 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:22:57pm
114 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:23:17pm
115 Lively  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:23:21pm

re: #103 My 2 Cents

QUESTION:

Does anyone know what the "4 slogans" are?

I can't find them anywhere. Thank you!

1. Faith or belief in the Oneness of God and the finality of the prophethood of Muhammad;
2. Establishment of the daily prayers;
3. Concern for and almsgiving to the needy;
4. Self-purification through fasting; and
5. The pilgrimage to Makkah for those who are able.

116 grumpy old codger  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:23:21pm

Kepiblanc,
given your choice of a "handle", a nom du guerre, if you will, and your citing "Le Boudin", are you an ex- "Legio patria est"?

117 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:23:48pm
118 BeerForMyHorses  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:24:03pm

re: #112 kepiblanc

This Belgian mayor makes it clear to all us EU-untermenschen (i.e. infidels) that we live in The Fourth Reich.

Belgianistan

119 Josephine  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:24:21pm

Have you read Paul Weston's Open Letter to Fellow Europeans?

It's posted at Dhimmi Watch:
[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

and Gates of Vienna:
[Link: gatesofvienna.blogspot.com...]

Powerful stuff.

120 grumpy old codger  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:24:26pm

re: #111 savage_nation
$$$.
'Nuf said?

121 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:24:26pm
122 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:25:00pm
123 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:25:02pm

re: #111 savage_nation
Cause two trillion dollar budgets don't have enough money for earmarks and new spacecraft. wish i was being sarcastic. saw Challenger blow up in 1986. Ship was docked about 10 miles away. Goddamn money wasting congesscritters anyway!

124 DJM  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:25:17pm

Wait a sec...

Don't "moderate" Muslims always claim real Muslims don't commit acts of terrorism? So why would Muslims object to a demonstration with a minute of silence to commemorate the victims of 9/11 - a terrorist act?

If Muslims didn't commit the act, then they should have no objection in commemorating the victims.

125 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:25:25pm
126 Render  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:27:01pm

Not sure if this link will work but...

[Link: www.nasa.gov...]

STILL
THERE,
R

127 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:27:22pm
128 Ginn  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:28:02pm

No moment of silence for 9/11 victims in Brussels nor a march to protest
Islamization.

If they dunk a Koran in the toilet will they get charged with a "Hate Crime" with up to four years in prison?

129 shug  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:28:03pm

re: #73 savage_nation

re: #66 shug


Today Brussels

Tomorrow Los Angeles


Not as long as I live.

I will be the loudest one on Wilshire Boulevard at the head of the march. To hell with those damn Islamists!


Look at how the illegal alien hordes have invaded and taken over American cities

today it's Si Se Puede

tomorrow it's allah akhbar

but I believe you. you will be the william wallace. I wish you well

130 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:28:57pm
131 Jimash  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:29:21pm

I'd just like to thank the Belgians that did want to remember.

132 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:29:42pm

Ron Paul?

133 EC Marm  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:29:51pm

OT
Whatever your opinion of the Reverend Billy Graham, did Time Magazine give it's own (slightly subliminal) opinion on the cover?

134 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:30:08pm
135 Infidelsalwayswin  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:30:30pm

Endeavour may be twenty years old, but for all intents and purposes it's to quote some NASA chap whose name I didn't catch, 'like driving a brand new car out of the showroom'.
And as for the whole Barbara Morgan thing. I think of her more as a mission specialist who happens to be a teacher in her spare time. That is to say she's as qualified as anybody. In fact, I admire her courage. Not only did she have to deal with the Challenger thing, but now she's jsut had to endure all of those enormous energies of launch and the hard work that'll follow when she's no longer - how to put this? - in her prime.
It's Clay Anderson I worry about. I know he's an engineer and highly qualified, but I can't help thinking of him as a yokel. It's either that or he's going down with a case of Space Madness, I'm not sure which.

[Link: www.nasa.gov...]

136 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:30:36pm

re: #134 savage_nation

re: #132 DesertSage

Ron Paul?

Ron Paul indeed!

Yes!

137 Highrise  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:31:00pm

re: #131 Jimash

I'd just like to thank the Belgians that did want to remember.

/agreed

I wonder if we can snag some of them to come to LGF.

138 grumpy old codger  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:31:39pm

re: #130 savage_nation

There's not an ethnic group in what used to be Europe that doesn't have a hero, that they could rise up an emulate. Andreas Hoffer of Bavaria, Arnold von winklekried of switzerland. All they have to do is decide that they eon't put up with this PC BS. Maybe we'll get the picture also.

139 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:33:31pm

re: #127 savage_nation Nasa is overrun with damn bureaucrats too, just like DC. We could have an orbital reentry vehicle that works more efficiently than the shuttle but the money goes into 'crat rat holes,

140 shug  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:34:28pm

is something wrong with the shuttle?

141 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:34:47pm

Monsieur Le Mayor cest - Monsieur Le Chat!

-S-

142 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:35:01pm
143 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:35:05pm

Endeauvor just had a major overhaul. Nasa said it was "better" than new when they rolled it out for this flight. Problem is that the tiles are a design flaw that no amount of overhauling can fix. The vehicle is fundamentally flawed by being attached to the side of the big fuel tank.
We have treaties with Russia and the EU promising to build the Space Station by 2010 and the shuttle is the only horse in this race. A proposed successor to the shuttle was canceled by the Clinton Administration in 1998. It was called (X-38 IIRC).

144 Peter Verkooijen  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:35:39pm

socialism = fascism

145 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:36:46pm
146 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:37:06pm
147 the phantom  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:37:34pm

re: #94 cookielady


I would love to see some posters saying Death to Those Who Kill Us and Death to Terrorists... and maybe a big Duck of Death.

Death to Terrorists

That has a nice ring to it.
It's odd that, after all these years, and the uncountable number of victims, and the ravaging of the civilized world, I've never seen that simple statement before.

148 Miss Trixie  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:37:57pm

re: #133 EC Marm

OT
Whatever your opinion of the Reverend Billy Graham, did Time Magazine give it's own (slightly subliminal) opinion on the cover?

I don't see what you're pointing out, EC. Care to explain, please?

149 Lively  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:39:15pm

re: #148 Miss Trixie

re: #133 EC Marm


OT
Whatever your opinion of the Reverend Billy Graham, did Time Magazine give it's own (slightly subliminal) opinion on the cover?

I don't see what you're pointing out, EC. Care to explain, please?

I thought the same thing.

150 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:39:22pm
151 1SG(ret)  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:40:37pm

re: #148 Miss Trixie

I think he is talking about the top of the M in Magizine looking like horns on the Rev.

152 Josephine  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:41:21pm

re: #133 EC Marm

I can't see it, either.

153 cookielady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:41:37pm

re: #149 Lively

re: #148 Miss Trixie


re: #133 EC Marm

OT
Whatever your opinion of the Reverend Billy Graham, did Time Magazine give it's own (slightly subliminal) opinion on the cover?

I don't see what you're pointing out, EC. Care to explain, please?

I thought the same thing.

The M in TIME makes horns on his head... and the animation adds a forked tail.

154 Jimash  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:41:41pm

And I was staring at his pocket. LOL/

155 Terp Mole  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:42:35pm
re: #144 Peter Verkooijen: socialism = fascism

Fascism is Leftist.

156 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:42:50pm

re: #144 Peter Verkooijen

socialism = fascism

Well, let's see -

National Socialist German Workers Party = Nazi's

Nazi's = Fascists

Yep, you are correct...Socialism = Fascism

157 bulwrk  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:43:23pm

re: #148 Miss Trixie


Horns and tail

158 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:44:06pm
159 Josephine  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:44:08pm

re: #133 EC Marm

Oh, geez... (Laughing at myself.)

I thought the long red thing was an arrow that kept pointing at his pocket. I was squinting like mad, trying to figure out what was going on with his pocket.

Now I get it.

160 bosforus  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:45:05pm

re: #159 Josephine

wooow. i usually don't walk in on a convo but wow. that made me laugh. :)

161 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:45:44pm
162 ted  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:45:59pm

Very interesting.
That is no mistake by Slime Time magazine.

163 Josephine  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:46:07pm

re: #160 bosforus

Oh, now I can't stop laughing... (Blonde moment from a real blonde.)

164 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:46:43pm

re: #144 Peter Verkooijen

socialism = fascism

Hitler's Leftist Economic Policies

165 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:47:05pm

re: #145 ploome hineni

re: #143 Peacekeeper

metal and product fatigue

its too old

The big tank is filled with liquid Oxygen and Hydrogen at a ridiculously way below zero temperature. Despite the foam insulation on the tank, the humid Florida air deposits water on it and it builds up as ice.

The orbiter was designed to cling to the lower side of this tank, once launched the vibrations crack the ice and it falls, taking foam with it. Sometimes the foam cracks and falls on it's own. There is no material available to alleviate this problem.
The orbiter is in the path of this debris as it sheds. It is total Russian roulette. Engineers never grasped that a piece of ice or foam would become a dangerous projectile at supersonic speeds. Columbia was the event that proved this. Prior to this they had suspected it was possible but NASA has a history of ignoring engineering flaws. The Challenger would not have flown if Morton Thiocol had listened to its' own engineers.
The Mars Polar lander in 1999 was known to be faulty while it was still enroute to Mars, NASA let it crash and tried to shrug it off rather than reveal the truth: some fool didn't convert english to metric calculations.
These remaining shuttle flights are done with fingers crossed. Any flight could result in the fragile tiles being pierced.

166 Racer X  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:47:27pm

Do we need to pass out tin foil hats?

167 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:47:31pm
168 My 2 Cents  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:48:30pm

re: #115 Lively

re: #103 My 2 Cents


QUESTION:

Does anyone know what the "4 slogans" are?

I can't find them anywhere. Thank you!


1. Faith or belief in the Oneness of God and the finality of the prophethood of Muhammad;
2. Establishment of the daily prayers;
3. Concern for and almsgiving to the needy;
4. Self-purification through fasting; and
5. The pilgrimage to Makkah for those who are able.

Huh? But the petition implies that they are talking about SIOE's slogans, not Islamic slogans! (And there are 4, not 5). What gives?

169 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:49:08pm
170 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:49:36pm
171 bosforus  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:49:42pm

re: #163 Josephine

that was probably the funniest thing i've read in the comments today so you should feel proud of yourself

172 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:49:57pm

Death to terrorists x 4.

173 shug  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:52:37pm

I'd give my right arm to fly in that shuttle...flying foam or not.

what a rush, and if you go boom...it's over quickly

174 ted  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:52:52pm

Regardless, the Time cover is very unflattering of Rev. Graham.
Compare it to this Time cover:

[Link: www.time.com...]

175 Ginn  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:53:42pm

re: #161 ploome hineni

here is the actual cover

[Link: img.timeinc.net...]

[Link: www.time.com...]

Thanks ploome for the links!

And you're right. This was a "moment" in Time.

176 Bordm  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:54:21pm

re: #165 Peacekeeper

It also didn't help that Clinton Inc. made NASA change the original make up of the foam on the external fuel tank to a more environmentally friendly mixture. The new 'Enviro- friendly' mix doesn't stick as well as the old 'works good' mix.

177 Ginn  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:54:53pm

re: #166 Racer X

Do we need to pass out tin foil hats?

Hi Racer!

I already have one!

178 Josephine  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:55:11pm

re: #171 bosforus

Ummm, okay... As soon as I stop laughing...

179 pat  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:55:12pm

Meanwhile is Oslo a Christian minister is arrested and fined, and his sentence up held by the highest cour because the biblicak passages sent the wrong message,
[Link: www.wnd.com...]

180 ted  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:55:23pm

Another Time cover.

[Link: www.time.com...]

181 Ginn  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:55:36pm

re: #177 Ginn

re: #166 Racer X

Do we need to pass out tin foil hats?

What about Tin Foil Shoes? Never know what vibes are coming from underfoot!

182 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:56:20pm

re: #173 shug

I'd give my right arm to fly in that shuttle...flying foam or not.

what a rush, and if you go boom...it's over quickly


Commendable. It's what makes the Astronauts heroes. I will be happier when they field the new Ares Rocket.

183 Krampus  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:56:31pm

re: #180 ted

Another Time cover.

[Link: www.time.com...]

Know that's freaky!

184 Ginn  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:57:04pm

re: #176 Bordm

re: #165 Peacekeeper

It also didn't help that Clinton Inc. made NASA change the original make up of the foam on the external fuel tank to a more environmentally friendly mixture. The new 'Enviro- friendly' mix doesn't stick as well as the old 'works good' mix.

Bordm.

Enviro-friendly does not necessarily mean people friendly.

185 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:57:29pm

re: #176 Bordm

re: #165 Peacekeeper

It also didn't help that Clinton Inc. made NASA change the original make up of the foam on the external fuel tank to a more environmentally friendly mixture. The new 'Enviro- friendly' mix doesn't stick as well as the old 'works good' mix.

Correct but that is advanced shuttle trivia.

186 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:57:52pm

You folks hug your loved ones tight tonight. There are evil, evil things afoot and the fools on the left don't believe in evil. Have youselves a good weekend, even with all this negativity. You can be sure that those "people" will get theirs. I refuse to believe otherwise.

187 ted  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:58:23pm

Another Time cover:

[Link: www.time.com...]

188 Krampus  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:58:23pm

re: #183 Krampus

re: #180 ted

Another Time cover.

[Link: www.time.com...]

Know that's freaky!

Now PIMF

189 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:58:32pm

Time Magazine is known for unflattering covers.

[Link: www.time.com...]

190 Terp Mole  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:58:35pm

Aussie rape sheik must be pleased today;

Community service for breastfeeding mum attacker

A magistrate has imposed a community based order on a 18-year-old man who indecently assaulted a woman as she breastfed her baby in a shopping centre change room in Melbourne's north.

Mohamed Chkhaidem faced Broadmeadows Magistrates Court today and pled guilty to the April 30 assault.

Prosecutor Sergeant Kevin Ellis said Chkhaidem, of Broadmeadows, had "invaded what was an intimate moment between mother and child".
===
Ms Garde-Wilson said her client had suffered "ridicule" in custody and notoriety in the community following media reports about his arrest.

Hasn't he already suffered enough?

191 WimbledonWomble  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:59:03pm

Yet they don't ban this or this or this or this or this, all of which took place in Brussels? Curious.

192 pat  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:59:07pm

The topper of the day.

[Link: islamineurope.blogspot.com...]

A

pparently, if you're a Moroccan in Italy you don't have the same rights as ethnic Italians.

The Italian supreme court recently rejected an appeal by the prosecution in the case of a Moroccan girl who had been beaten by her family, her parents and her brother. The appeal was rejected on the grounds that it was for her own good and for her non-conformity with their culture, she had gone out with a friend and her life style was not accepted by her parents.

This story starts in 2003 when the parents of Fatima R. (19), a Muslim girl from Bologna, were sentenced for tying Fatima up and beating her. The court of appeals reversed the decision and this past week the supreme court confirmed it.

According to the Italian judges that girl had not been beaten out of anger and it was unusual for the father, who had only beat his daughter three times in his life.

193 shug  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:59:11pm

re: #185 Peacekeeper

re: #176 Bordm


re: #165 Peacekeeper

It also didn't help that Clinton Inc. made NASA change the original make up of the foam on the external fuel tank to a more environmentally friendly mixture. The new 'Enviro- friendly' mix doesn't stick as well as the old 'works good' mix.


Correct but that is advanced shuttle trivia.


what is more environmentally friendly : less friendly foam that works...or environmentally foam and a large shuttle and it's propellant , cargo, and occupants burning up in the atmosphere?

/do I have to?

194 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:00:25pm
195 Ginn  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:00:48pm

re: #192 pat

The topper of the day.

[Link: islamineurope.blogspot.com...]

A

pparently, if you're a Moroccan in Italy you don't have the same rights as ethnic Italians. The Italian supreme court recently rejected an appeal by the prosecution in the case of a Moroccan girl who had been beaten by her family, her parents and her brother. The appeal was rejected on the grounds that it was for her own good and for her non-conformity with their culture, she had gone out with a friend and her life style was not accepted by her parents.

This story starts in 2003 when the parents of Fatima R. (19), a Muslim girl from Bologna, were sentenced for tying Fatima up and beating her. The court of appeals reversed the decision and this past week the supreme court confirmed it.

According to the Italian judges that girl had not been beaten out of anger and it was unusual for the father, who had only beat his daughter three times in his life.

She was beaten with "love."

196 ted  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:00:48pm

And this gentle, admiring Time cover:

[Link: www.time.com...]

197 Miss Trixie  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:01:01pm

Thanks for pointing that out, folks. Like Josephine (my mother's name BTW, *mwah* darls) I was squinting at the pocket too.

Hate gettin' old, dogdangit.

:)

198 shug  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:01:09pm

re: #194 savage_nation


yep he's in rare form tonight. the man is no Imus. there will be no fake apologies.

and he will win

199 Bordm  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:01:19pm

re: #185 Peacekeeper

I'm not a rocket scientist, but i used to work with a bunch of them. BRB neighbor just got a bunch of Harley's in, gonna go ride one.

200 NavyBrat  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:01:44pm

Unbelievable.

201 GregInSeattle  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:02:00pm

OTish

via the always dubious Debka:

New York, LA and Miami to be targeted?

The threat was picked up by DEBKAfile’s monitors from a rush of electronic chatter on al Qaeda sites Thursday, Aug. 8.

The al Qaeda communications accuse the Americans of the grave error of failing to take seriously the videotape released by the American al Qaeda spokesman Adam Gaddahn last week. “They will soon realize their mistake when American cities are hit by quality operations,” said one message.

Another said the attacks would be carried out “by means of trucks loaded with radio-active material against America’s biggest city and financial nerve center.”

A third message mentioned New York, Los Angeles and Miami as targets. It drew the answer: “The attack, with Allah’s help, will cause an economic meltdown, many dead, and a financial crisis on a scale that compels the United States to pull its military forces out of many parts of the world, including Iraq, for lack of any other way of cutting down costs.”

202 ted  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:02:11pm

re: #183 Krampus

re: #180 ted


Another Time cover.

[Link: www.time.com...]


Know that's freaky!

Who do you think is the top and bottem boy ?

203 FQ Kafir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:02:58pm
We want our right to have a minute of silence to commemorate the victims of 9/11!

Even if this mayor allows the demonstration, do you think that it will happen without some kind of disturbance during the "minute?"

With all of the publicity this has received, I could just see a few disgruntled Muslims with bullhorns ruining this gentle gesture.

204 1SG(ret)  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:03:25pm

re: #194 savage_nation


You live in that area? Good for Michael!

Top

205 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:03:34pm
206 pat  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:04:12pm

Ginn. I wonder if a 'love' beating feels better than a regular one. And I love the way it is a family thing where all the boys chip in.

207 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:04:55pm

If you make a study of NASA you see that they had an opportunity under Bush I to start a new manned program aimed at Mars. WHat they proposed was so over the top expensive (500 Billion dollars) that Congress and Bush stopped taking them seriously. Under Clinton they worked on a NextGen shuttle featuring hypersonic engines and an internal fuel tank. AFter years of design work they threw in the towel: the materials simply did not exist to make it work. Characteristically, NASA had chosen the "sexiest" of three proposed vehicles for that program.
A private firm is developing one of the runner up vehicles today.

NASA became a vast beaucracy as it aged and it performs like a typical beaucracy: the mission has become secondary to job security, perks and important offices.

208 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:05:15pm
209 Thanos  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:06:03pm

OT: Some good news

Philippines military kills 58 militants

MANILA: The Philippine military will step up offensives against Muslim rebels after it lost 26 soldiers in the heaviest fighting in the volatile south in nearly three years, the head of the armed forces said on Friday.

General Hermogenes Esperon said two extra battalions would be sent to the remote southern island of Jolo, where clashes between troops and Muslim separatists killed at least 58 people on Thursday.

“I’m very sad but it doesn’t mean we will give up,” Esperon told reporters. “We will not stop, we will go after them. We expect fiercer battles.” The army shelled Muslim rebel positions and raked them with helicopter fire overnight but suspended operations on Friday following a request from the provincial governor.

The Moro National Liberation Front (MNLF), a Muslim rebel group that signed a peace deal with the largely Catholic central government in 1996, said its members were involved and that it had asked the Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) to help stop the fighting. “We informed the OIC of the current situation through e-mails and a fax direct to Jeddah,” said Hatimil Hassan, the MNLF deputy head and an elected member of the regional legislative assembly in the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao.

Fighting has been confined to a small part of the island of Jolo but there were dangers that it could spill over to nearby areas and other rebel groups could take advantage of the situation, Hassan told reporters.

The military said the rebels were from Abu Sayyaf but the less radical MNLF said its cadres were involved. Unlike Abu Sayyaf, the more secular MNLF has no known links to regional Islamic militant network Jemaah Islamiah. reuters

210 Ginn  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:06:54pm

re: #206 pat

Ginn. I wonder if a 'love' beating feels better than a regular one. And I love the way it is a family thing where all the boys chip in.

I think you can beat even harder if it is with love... and Muslim.

211 zmdavid  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:08:13pm

Remember this Time cover?

[Link: www.time.com...]

212 Thanos  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:08:16pm

OT: More bad news for Jihadis

45 dead in Afghanistan fighting

* Five ‘important’ Taliban killed in ambush, says Afghan general

KABUL: Fresh fighting across Afghanistan left at least 45 people dead on Friday, including a British soldier.

Taliban militants ambushed a joint Afghan and NATO army convoy, sparking a firefight that killed seven Afghan soldiers and 20 militants, the defence ministry said.

Five “important” Taliban commanders were among the dead, including the rebel movement’s commander for western Badghis province, defence ministry spokesman General Mohammad Zahir Azimi told AFP.

“The militants ambushed our convoy,” said Azimi, adding that the army called in NATO warplanes to bomb militant positions after the attack.

“We called in friendly forces’ air power. Seven Afghan soldiers were martyred in the ambush and 20 enemy elements were also killed,” he said.

Eight Afghan army vehicles were destroyed, he said.

Elsewhere in western Afghanistan on Friday, tribal villagers repelled an attack by Taliban fighters in a battle that left five rebels and two civilians dead.

Dozens of Taliban attacked the village of Nal in the western province of Farah, but the locals resisted, provincial police chief Abdul Rehman Sarjang told AFP.

“Five Taliban and two villagers were killed in the clash. We have sent a delegation down there to investigate the incident,” he said.

Fighters for the Taliban, the Islamic extremists who governed Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001, regularly try to overrun remote areas of the country and already control several districts in the south.

Meanwhile, a British soldier serving with the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) was killed while on patrol in southern Afghanistan’s flashpoint Helmand province.

Another British soldier was wounded in the incident, the British defence ministry said.

The soldiers were part of a patrol checking on a local irrigation project near Jusyalay, northeast of Sangin in the volatile southern province when they came under fire from Taliban fighters.

“It was during this engagement that two soldiers were injured. An emergency response helicopter was requested, but sadly one of the soldiers was pronounced dead at the scene,” the ministry said in a statement.

“The injuries sustained by the second soldier are not life threatening,” it added.

The US-led coalition earlier announced that air strikes and ground battles between soldiers and insurgents in Helmand on Thursday had killed at least 10 rebels, with many more believed dead or wounded.

Intense clashes have taken place in recent days in the south, a stronghold of the resurgent Taliban, who are seeking to overthrow the government of President Hamid Karzai. afp

213 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:08:44pm

re: #190 Terp Mole

Am I missing something in the report? It never states what precisely he did. Rape? I'm not ceratin since the term "indecently assaulted" is so vague. Expose himself? Touch her in some way? Just barge in and stare?

If a true assault, it is so odd that they are concerned with his "invading" the moment and odder still to only get community service.

214 1SG(ret)  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:09:29pm

re: #208 savage_nation

Just wondering. I'll in that area for 2 weeks starting monday (work). Is there any conservative hangouts around the area? Or should I stay in the Hotel room to stay out of jail! :-)

Top

215 Krampus  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:10:11pm

re: #202 ted

re: #183 Krampus

re: #180 ted


Another Time cover.[Link: www.time.com...]


Know that's freaky!

Who do you think is the top and bottem boy ?

lol. Your guess is as-good as mine. But, I'd rather not think about it.

216 Born Again Republican  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:10:34pm

re: #191 WimbledonWomble

Good find! Guess when you're planning a protest in Brussels, do as the Muslims do.

217 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:11:32pm

re: #207 Peacekeeper

Speaking of NASA, it appears that a chunk of ice or foam hit the tiles under Endeavour during launch and they're investigating the seriousness of the situation.

218 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:11:41pm

re: #213 Silhouette

Addendum to my post above: most odd that in an article in essence about this event fails to mention the details of the event.

219 Thanos  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:12:10pm

also OT

Islamic centre attacked in northern Italy

ROME: Unidentified assailants attacked an Islamic cultural centre in northern Italy overnight, police said on Friday, prompting Muslim community leaders to express concern that hostility in Italy towards their faith may be growing. Two petrol bombs were hurled at the building in Abbiategrasso, on the outskirts of Milan, and a pipe bomb, which did not explode, was left outside. No one was injured and the building was undamaged. “There is worry among Muslims about ... Islamophobia,” said Omar Camiletti, an adviser to the Muslim World League in Italy. reuters

220 grayp  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:13:37pm

OT OT OT

I know I haven't been here much. I've been busy with the asshole EU people.

But I got an email I thought you all might appreciate. It's from Tony Snow. Yeah, I know, it's broadcast, but still, I think it absolutely reflects the man and his heart, his values, and his love of G-d/.

THE WHITE HOUSE
Washington

Thanks so much for the kind note - and for including me in your thoughts
and prayers.

I can't tell you how much I appreciate you thinking of me and raising my
name in prayer. Prayers have enormous power. They're good medicine - and
they certainly have lifted my spirits. I feel as if I have been borne on
the shoulders of thousands of friends, all of whom have made the ride
easier than I ever could have imagined.

We're blessed to live in a land where people just want an excuse to do
something good for someone else. Thanks for taking advantage of that
opportunity with me. Please encourage others to do it closer to home for
other friends in need. Kind words, notes, emails, and small gestures
have a way of lightening the load, while making our own lives richer and
more rewarding.

Again, thanks for the incredible gift of caring.

God bless,

TONY SNOW

221 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:15:16pm

re: #209 Thanos

Good news indeed.

This quote reminds me of the comments Bush made right after 9/11, where he stressed that it would take a long time. Somehow, the LLL remember him saying it would be over in weeks, if not days, and that not one person would die.

“I’m very sad but it doesn’t mean we will give up,” Esperon told reporters. “We will not stop, we will go after them. We expect fiercer battles.”
222 BeerForMyHorses  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:16:17pm

re: #219 Thanos

also OT


Islamic centre attacked in northern Italy

ROME: Unidentified assailants attacked an Islamic cultural centre in northern Italy overnight, police said on Friday, prompting Muslim community leaders to express concern that hostility in Italy towards their faith may be growing. Two petrol bombs were hurled at the building in Abbiategrasso, on the outskirts of Milan, and a pipe bomb, which did not explode, was left outside. No one was injured and the building was undamaged. “There is worry among Muslims about ... Islamophobia,” said Omar Camiletti, an adviser to the Muslim World League in Italy. reuters

And since it comes from Reuters, we all know it must be accurate.

223 zmdavid  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:18:46pm

re: #12 D'kian_

So now Muslims may be offended by silence?


How are they going to ban silence? Hey there! Don't be silent! That's Islamophobia (the worst of crimes)!

224 Ginn  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:19:36pm

re: #223 zmdavid

re: #12 D'kian_


So now Muslims may be offended by silence?

How are they going to ban silence? Hey there! Don't be silent! That's Islamophobia (the worst of crimes)!

Sort of unfair to mimes...

225 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:20:19pm
226 ted  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:20:59pm

re: #211 zmdavid

Remember this Time cover?

[Link: www.time.com...]

Oh yes, we do.

you could almost hear the elite lib photo editors laughing at that juvenile smearjob.

How about this cover.

[Link: www.time.com...]

227 Born Again Republican  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:21:14pm

re: #221 Silhouette

re: #209 Thanos

This quote reminds me of the comments Bush made right after 9/11, where he stressed that it would take a long time. Somehow, the LLL remember him saying it would be over in weeks, if not days, and that not one person would die.

“I’m very sad but it doesn’t mean we will give up,” Esperon told reporters. “We will not stop, we will go after them. We expect fiercer battles.”

What I also remember is Bush saying this is going to be a war like we've never fought before. Yet everyone seems to know how he should have fought it.

228 WimbledonWomble  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:22:35pm
229 1SG(ret)  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:24:02pm

re: #225 savage_nation

Will do my best to ignore the moonbats. Patience is not really one of my virtue's though!

Top

230 Miss Trixie  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:25:18pm

re: #220 grayp

OT OT OT

I know I haven't been here much. I've been busy with the asshole EU people.

But I got an email I thought you all might appreciate. It's from Tony Snow. Yeah, I know, it's broadcast, but still, I think it absolutely reflects the man and his heart, his values, and his love of G-d/.


THE WHITE HOUSE
Washington

Thanks so much for the kind note - and for including me in your thoughts
and prayers.

I can't tell you how much I appreciate you thinking of me and raising my
name in prayer. Prayers have enormous power. They're good medicine - and
they certainly have lifted my spirits. I feel as if I have been borne on
the shoulders of thousands of friends, all of whom have made the ride
easier than I ever could have imagined.

We're blessed to live in a land where people just want an excuse to do
something good for someone else. Thanks for taking advantage of that
opportunity with me. Please encourage others to do it closer to home for
other friends in need. Kind words, notes, emails, and small gestures
have a way of lightening the load, while making our own lives richer and
more rewarding.

Again, thanks for the incredible gift of caring.

God bless,

TONY SNOW

{grayp} That's marvelous! Thanks for sharing. BTW, how are ya and is Molly finally enjoying her swim time? :)

231 Thanos  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:26:16pm

OT:

3 men plead innocence over 7/7 London bombing

LONDON: Three men accused of conspiring with suicide bombers who killed 52 commuters on the London transport system in 2005 pleaded not guilty during a court hearing on Friday.

Mohammed Shakil, 31, Sadeer Saleem, 27 and Waheed Ali, 24, are accused of conspiring to cause explosions on London’s transport network or at tourist attractions in London “of a nature likely to endanger life or cause serious injury.”

The men appeared at London’s Central Criminal Court by video link from prison for the pretrial hearing.

Four bombers and 52 commuters died in the attacks on July 7, 2005, when bombs carried in knapsacks exploded on three subway trains and a double-decker bus. The three suspects are all from the Beeston area of Leeds, in northern England, which was home to several of the bombers.

Two of the men were arrested on March 22 as they prepared to fly to Pakistan from Manchester Airport. The third was detained in Leeds the same day. ap

232 Jimash  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:27:19pm

re: #228 WimbledonWomble

I cannot ponder that which boggles my mind.

233 FQ Kafir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:27:22pm

re: #222 BeerForMyHorses

There's that word again... Islamophobia.

What, exactly, is islamophobia? Is it akin to xenophobia, the fear of strangers? Fearing strangers is not rational, for you have no basis for fear. Fearing an ideology that is bent on destroying western civilization in order to herald an age of hyper-religiosity is rational.

Count me among the ranks of the Islamophobic.

234 Lively  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:31:03pm

re: #168 My 2 Cents

re: #115 Lively


re: #103 My 2 Cents

QUESTION:
Does anyone know what the "4 slogans" are?

I can't find them anywhere. Thank you!


1. Faith or belief in the Oneness of God and the finality of the prophethood of Muhammad;
2. Establishment of the daily prayers;
3. Concern for and almsgiving to the needy;
4. Self-purification through fasting; and
5. The pilgrimage to Makkah for those who are able.

Huh? But the petition implies that they are talking about SIOE's slogans, not Islamic slogans! (And there are 4, not 5). What gives?

I was just joking with you. I gave you the 5 Pillars of Islam. You should know them. ;)

235 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:31:10pm

Don't ask for your rights. Take them. And don't let anyone give them to ye."

—Robert Burns, Scotsman.

236 BeerForMyHorses  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:31:18pm

re: #233 FQ Kafir

re: #222 BeerForMyHorses

There's that word again... Islamophobia.

What, exactly, is islamophobia? Is it akin to xenophobia, the fear of strangers? Fearing strangers is not rational, for you have no basis for fear. Fearing an ideology that is bent on destroying western civilization in order to herald an age of hyper-religiosity is rational.

Count me among the ranks of the Islamophobic.

My dictionary says phobia means an irrational fear. There's nothing irrational about our fear of Islam. We need to coin a new term.

237 Render  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:32:39pm

re: #212 Thanos

Thanos: Love your work, so this is in no way to be considered a reflection upon you, or your material.

I haven't time at the moment, but I will respond to this AFP story later this evening.

Suffice to say that it contains many errors, much misinformation, and outright lies.

DISTORTION,
R

238 Highrise  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:33:01pm

re: #191 WimbledonWomble

Yes it is amazing to me to see what governments ban but what they allow. In Santa Clara, California...the public center here that houses a lot of big get to gethers for various things to educate and sell...allowed NAMBLA (man boy love association) to hold a big meeting/conference but banned a Gun Show.

Guns are legal there...and they were banned from having that conference in Santa Clara. The message that sent was...we don't want guns to have a conference here but child rapists can meet without shame.

239 BeerForMyHorses  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:33:41pm

Instead of Islamophobia, how about Islamoenlightenment?

240 Highrise  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:34:13pm

re: #236 BeerForMyHorses


We should say how the islamists have infidelaphobia whenever they throw around islamophobia. It would make people actually go look up what infidel was..they just might be surprised to find out that the religion of peace calls us infidels, therefore, we must convert or die.

241 FQ Kafir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:35:12pm

re: #236 BeerForMyHorses

Agreed. What should it be?

242 Defeater of Defeatism  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:35:23pm

re: #137 Highrise

I guess 0.5 will do? (Dutchman residing in Belgium).

You folks need to remember/be aware of the fact that Belgium is a small, yet very complicated kind of country. It basically consists out of three parts which, apart from geographical adjacency, actually have very little in common with each other. It's more or less a "made up country", much in the idealistic spirit of the EU (several completely different countries supposedly united as one, uh-huh).

Brussels is one of the abovementioned three departments, and it in turn has been comprised out of the other two (a Dutch-speaking bit and a French-speaking side, connecting Flandres to Wallonia, more or less). Neither Wallonia nor Flandres feel very connected to the country's capital (it being the absolute center of bureacracy, housing a municipal, provincial, departmental, federal and European governing body), but recent years have shown Brussels to gradually slip out of the Dutch-speaking population's hands. An important battle is going on re: this very issue right now (see: this link for more info).

Traditionally, the (French-speaking) Walloons are socialist voters - this largely due to the fact that Wallonia is an industrialized mess of a place, heavily-subsidized by Flandres through the federal government in Brussels. Hey, as long as the money keeps coming, why change your voting behavior, right? As a result of this, you're likely to find Socialist mayors all over Wallonia, and sadly, in Brussels itself as well now.

Rest assured that a large portion of the Flemish population is none too pleased by all of this. You're probably aware of the existence of "Vlaams Belang" (VB), a heavily-demonized political party accused of xenophobia and racism throughout state-controlled media for years and years.

Truth be told, the party has had a dark and obscure past but it seems to have mellowed out without losing most of its important punchlines (such as immigration restriction, opposing Islamization, consideration of Flandres ceceding from Belgium and whatnot). It should be an important sign that, despite all the media hate and several lawsuits, this particular party can count on a large portion of the Flemish vote.

Of course, with a country that consists out of 3 seperate parts, you can't expect them to win the nation-wide election. Walloons aren't going to vote for VB (they can't even do so, as there has to be a Wallonian counterpart according to the letter of the law - a Wallonian cecession party won't ever be able to make up a federal government with a Flemish cecession party, heh), they're much too comfortable with/used to the socialist idea - the immigrants have very little reason to disagree with all of this neither.

intermezzo
Someone mentioned Antwerp, which is a good example of how the socialists managed to get through in Flandres as well. The federal government allowed much of the city's immigrants (and there's lots of them) to vote during the last nation-wide election. This resulted in a slim yet important win for the Socialist party (over VB) in what is regarded to be the multicultural powderkeg of Flandres.
/intermezzo

The gap is still widening in Belgium. Much of the native population (especially the Flemish) have little fate in the country's current structure surviving for more than a few decades, if that. When push comes to shove, I'm pretty confident that all those VB as well as conservative voters (mostly agricultural traditionalists) won't put up with this bs anymore. When, you ask? Things have to get worse for them to get better. Things are pretty bad already, though.

All in all, you're welcome to judge the people here by their actions (such as this lamo mayor type), the lousy quality of our roads and the appalling stand-up comedy... but bear in mind that Belgium isn't just Brussels or Wallonia, just as America isn't Washington D.C. or California :)

243 Terp Mole  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:35:48pm
re: #213 Silhouette: Am I missing something in the report? It never states what precisely he did. Rape? I'm not ceratin since the term "indecently assaulted" is so vague. Expose himself? Touch her in some way? Just barge in and stare?

Zarah and the breast groper

...Sgt Ellis said Chkhaidem drew back a privacy curtain and started a conversation with the mum. He told her his wife had given birth, and touched her on the breast and nipple before fleeing. "She was fearful and felt she contributed to the incident," he said.

244 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:35:51pm

re: #239 Whiskey for my men

Well, how about IslamoiquitthisstupidreligionandIfeelawholelotbett er.

245 SnakeSpit  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:36:12pm

I signed the petition this morning. Picked up on it at ITM. When I signed it, I was number 253.

246 BeerForMyHorses  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:36:15pm

re: #240 Highrise

re: #236 BeerForMyHorses


We should say how the islamists have infidelaphobia whenever they throw around islamophobia. It would make people actually go look up what infidel was..they just might be surprised to find out that the religion of peace calls us infidels, therefore, we must convert or die.

Good tactic.

247 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:36:36pm
248 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:36:45pm

re: #236 BeerForMyHorses

My dictionary says phobia means an irrational fear. There's nothing irrational about our fear of Islam. We need to coin a new term.

Islamo-aversion?
Islamo-revulsion?

249 ex cathedra  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:36:56pm

Please sign the petition:

[Link: www.petitiononline.com...]

Those who don't want to sign the petition on the grounds that "it's useless" - please reconsider! It will still be of some use to see many thousands of signatures.

250 trailortrash  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:37:14pm

gtfoutahere
man, what is this world coming to :(

251 WimbledonWomble  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:37:22pm

re: #232 Jimash

re: #228 WimbledonWomble

I cannot ponder that which boggles my mind.

Kriss Donald

252 goodbye_natalie  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:38:27pm

Dimocratic consultants are as dumb as those represent. I'm watching this shiite with Michelle Malkin talking to some consultant about the Dims meeting with the gay community last night. This ditzy blond goes on about how it's great to get the Dim candidates out to the general community so that politicians don't pander. WTH?

The entire idea of debating in front of a "special group" is premised on pandering. It's the worst of kind of pandering. It's like pandering to the NAACP.

When is America going to pull its collective head out of its ass?

253 BeerForMyHorses  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:38:56pm

re: #248 reine.de.tout

re: #236 BeerForMyHorses


My dictionary says phobia means an irrational fear. There's nothing irrational about our fear of Islam. We need to coin a new term.

Islamo-aversion?
Islamo-revulsion?

I think the latter sums it up best. Thanks.

254 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:39:09pm

Meanwhile, JetBlue Airlines is being ACLUed in court for banning a passenger "for wearing a shirt that read, in English and Arabic, "We Will Not Be Silent."

255 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:39:51pm

re: #253 BeerForMyHorses

Welcome.

256 Tigger2005  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:40:51pm

OT: Yeah, they sing a lotta "we are all the same, down deep inside" New Age pap, but they also sing Irish traditionals, classical, Christian, opera, etc., they released a Christmas album, and they are an enormous international hit. Does "Celtic Woman" represent in some small way a resurgence of pride in Western culture? Discuss.

Personally, I think they're hot.

257 Albemarle  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:41:01pm

#190 The most discusting part of that assault story is that creep's lawyer .
A real dhimmi .

258 Thanos  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:42:23pm

re: #237 Render

re: #212 Thanos

Thanos: Love your work, so this is in no way to be considered a reflection upon you, or your material.

I haven't time at the moment, but I will respond to this AFP story later this evening.

Suffice to say that it contains many errors, much misinformation, and outright lies.

DISTORTION,
R

Yep, I agree, I posted it here so we could look into it.

259 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:42:48pm

Color me confused -- a bunch of socialists complaining about a socialist mayor who is afraid of Muslims? Be silent if you wish, but be prepared to get violent and shed some blood to stop the Islamization of Europe.

260 BeerForMyHorses  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:43:00pm

re: #254 solomonpanting

Meanwhile, JetBlue Airlines is being ACLUed in court for banning a passenger "for wearing a shirt that read, in English and Arabic, "We Will Not Be Silent."

That's just too ironic.

261 Jimash  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:45:32pm

re: #251 WimbledonWomble

Don't get me wrong, I read the story, every word.
It is just too head spinning . And too bad they didn't revive hanging .

262 Ma Sands  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:45:44pm

OT :)

Awww...sweet bridge story... :)

263 My 2 Cents  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:46:17pm

re: #234 Lively

My concern here is signing a petition that says I support the "4 slogans," even though I can't find them anywhere. So far, no one in this thread has said what they are either. Am I the only one who finds this part of the petition to be odd?

264 Oh no...Sand People!  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:46:35pm

OT:

If this will not get you to read a book...well then I guess nothing will...?

/Wow...B.E.T. Television just reinforced every stereotype they should be trying to avoid...

265 Frank_Mtl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:46:53pm

re: #249 ex cathedra

Done! Although the usefulness of on-line petitions is indeed doubtful, this one merely allowed me to express my contempt for European dhimmitude.

266 Highrise  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:47:08pm

re: #242 Defeater of Defeatism

Thank you for taking the time to post that. How interesting.

267 Thanos  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:49:28pm

Render, remember this is coming from the Paki papers, and the Jirga is going on.

268 Fjordman  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:50:34pm
269 My 2 Cents  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:51:10pm

re: #265 Frank_Mtl

Good. Now... do you know what the "4 slogans" are that you just put your name to? They are probably ok, based on the other literature, but what are these 4 slogans? Why can't I find them on their website? (could be I'm just oblivious, but I didn't see them there.)

270 Josephine  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:52:40pm

re: #197 Miss Trixie

Thanks for pointing that out, folks. Like Josephine (my mother's name BTW, *mwah* darls) I was squinting at the pocket too.

Hate gettin' old, dogdangit.

:)

*mwah* ; )

271 BeerForMyHorses  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:53:14pm

re: #244 Ojoe

re: #239 Whiskey for my men

Well, how about IslamoiquitthisstupidreligionandIfeelawh olelotbetter.

LOL

272 anat  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:53:44pm

IF YOU ARE A EUROPEAN, write to your MEP now!
Here is how to find your MEP address, variably email, fax or snailmail.

273 Highrise  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:54:34pm

re: #254 solomonpanting

Meanwhile, JetBlue Airlines is being ACLUed in court for banning a passenger "for wearing a shirt that read, in English and Arabic, "We Will Not Be Silent."

I noticed how they tried to spin it to be about his race, arab...when he was completely allowed to go onto the airline if he changed his shirt..and he was even offered a shirt from the airline. I would not have stepped on that plane with someone with a shirt like that on. Good for you JetBlue.

What an ass. May he get on a no fly list and be looked at very closely by the FBI and they find some bad ties.

274 lowandslow  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:55:35pm

It's fair time in Wisconsin, I'm going to clean up and head out for a night of deep fried Cheese Curds, Brats, truck pulls, cheesy cover bands and drinking beer.

Life is good.

275 Oh no...Sand People!  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:56:49pm

re: #274 lowandslow

It's fair time in Wisconsin, I'm going to clean up and head out for a night of deep fried Cheese Curds, Brats, truck pulls, cheesy cover bands and drinking beer.

Life is good.

Wash, drive, eat, eat, watch, listen, and drink one for me!:)

276 SnakeSpit  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:57:45pm

re: #263 My 2 Cents
Ifre: #263 My 2 Cents

you want to do a little digging, here's the place:
[Link: sioe.wordpress.com...]

277 lowandslow  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 6:00:24pm

re: #275 Oh no...Sand People!

Wash, drive, eat, eat, watch, listen, and drink one for me!:)

I'll do better than that, I'll drink two for you. And the kicker? I'm only four blocks from the fairgrounds, I can stumble home.

278 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 6:00:29pm

re: #243 Terp Mole

Thanks. That clears up a lot. Assault can be such an ambiguous word.

279 Maui Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 6:00:40pm

I came in at #969 for petition signatures. Come on everyone, we're almost to 1000!

280 WimbledonWomble  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 6:01:52pm

re: #216 Born Again Republican

re: #191 WimbledonWomble

Good find! Guess when you're planning a protest in Brussels, do as the Muslims do.

In Brussels, like in much of the rest of the suicidal West, it's the message, not the medium.

Bushophobia is fine. Americaphobia, great. Zionismophobia, Israeliphobia and even obvious Jewophobia, wonderful! They'll give the keys to the city and arrange a parade in your honor before the big protest. Anything to do with Islam or even a gathering to just honor those who were killed by Islamists or a tiny minority of Islamic extremists or militants or whatever PC term is au courant, forget it. That's a hate crime. Why? Because the bEurocrats are so afraid of Muslims living in their midst that they don't want anyone to enrage them. As if they needed an excuse for rage. The West must evolve from invertebrates to something with a backbone or all is lost and we might as well go into the head- and body-covering business to make a living, because every other industry will be laid to waste as anti-Islamic.

281 Oh no...Sand People!  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 6:02:36pm

re: #277 lowandslow

re: #275 Oh no...Sand People!

Wash, drive, eat, eat, watch, listen, and drink one for me!:)

I'll do better than that, I'll drink two for you. And the kicker? I'm only four blocks from the fairgrounds, I can stumble home.

Enjoy your night!

282 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 6:04:22pm

re: #273 Highrise

a Transportation Security Administration official identified only as Inspector Harris pulled Jarrar away from a boarding gate, took him to a JetBlue counter and told him his shirt made other passengers uncomfortable, the complaint said.

Yep, nothing about racial profiling. This time, the feelings of the passengers was taken into account, in contrast to all those instances where Muslim feewings were cause for action.

283 grumpy old codger  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 6:06:16pm

re: #263 My 2 Cents
How about these four slogans:

Submit or die.
convert or die.
Give us the head tax money or die.
Become moslem or die.

There not the five pillars, but they seem to fit.

284 Josephine  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 6:06:37pm

re: #213 Silhouette

Google his name. He's a creepy perv.

285 stevieray  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 6:07:21pm

re: #229 1SG(ret)

If you are looking for big slabs of meat cooked over charcoal, try Original Joe's. Its overlooked by most tourists because its on the edge of the Tenderloin, but it serves enormous steaks, two inch thick pork chops, and half chickens cooked over old-fashioned chunk charcoal in a retro atmosphere. I used to treat myself to a steak there about once a week. Eat at the counter if you want to meet locals.

For lunch, try Mario's Bohemian Cigar Store on Union Street. Have the focaccia sandwich. Mmmm mmm!

Damn... I gotta go back for a visit!

286 ex cathedra  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 6:10:16pm

re: #155 Terp Mole

re: #144 Peter Verkooijen: socialism = fascism

Fascism is Leftist.

It's an interesting article, but it seems to contain a contradiction. The author's definition of fascism is nationalism + paternalism + authoritarianism. However, today's leftism is clearly not nationalistic, but globalist.

287 Frank_Mtl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 6:10:55pm

re: #269 My 2 Cents

I could not find them either, but I obviously signed the petition first and foremost in support of the right to demonstrate and observe a Minute of Silence for 9/11.

288 Josephine  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 6:16:51pm

re: #269 My 2 Cents

re: #265 Frank_Mtl

Good. Now... do you know what the "4 slogans" are that you just put your name to? They are probably ok, based on the other literature, but what are these 4 slogans? Why can't I find them on their website? (could be I'm just oblivious, but I didn't see them there.)

It's not clear. It would be useful if they had a link in the article and an obvious heading in the sidebar.

I wonder if it's the four "Aims" posted here:

[Link: sioe.wordpress.com...]

SIOE exists to legally combat the overt and covert expansion of Islam in Europe.

SIOE condemns racism as the lowest form of human stupidity, but considers Islamophobia to be the height of common sense.

SIOE states that Islam and democracy are incompatible due to teachings within the Koran itself and some of the hadiths which comprise sharia law.

SIOE sees that such incompatibility is self-evident when those tenuous democracies in countries where Islam is the dominant religion are scrutinized.

289 WimbledonWomble  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 6:19:24pm

re: #261 Jimash

re: #251 WimbledonWomble

Don't get me wrong, I read the story, every word.
It is just too head spinning . And too bad they didn't revive hanging .

I know it's mind boggling, so I don't blame you. None of this was or is written about in the MSM. Instead it's every trivial celebrities most trivial secrets in the MSM. But don't we need to know this stuff? Isn't this the real news, no matter how awful. I mean, capitalism and consumerism are fine and dandy. The best system ever invented to reward the more productive in society, yet the downside is that consumerism, at least, encourages a sort of feel-good, buy, buy, buy uncritical attitude that is wholly inappropriate with the times. The 1920s had their wild abandon and mindless diversions, but when Hitler and Tojo came on the scene, Europeans and Americans woke up, and the media did their job. They did not try to minimize or ignore the problem.

Yet now, we find a media and a huge PC establishment that will do anything to make us forget. The strangest thing is that there is this confluence between these leftist/multicultural forces and swaths of big business that want us to just say: all is okay, no problems, just keep buying and forget the problems of the world. We are in a strange time, where the extreme left and some segments of big business have formed a kind of loose alliance of convenience. You see this in the immigration debates too in the US, where both the extreme left, pro-immigration lobbyists and big business that gains from cheap labor, all work together to stymie any rational change to solve the problem.

I'd love to say, it's all about the villainous Democrats and just vote Republican and all will be well, or vice verse, but the reality is more grey than black or white. Even Hillary is preferable to some Repubs. And some Repubs are so in bed with anti-American interests that they are beyond hope. A Giuliani/Tancredo ticket would be a great ticket. Short of that, it's going to be hard.

290 Frank_Mtl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 6:20:05pm

re: #288 Josephine

Thank you for the link, and those four "Aims" are fine by me!

291 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 6:31:32pm

re: #268 Fjordman

George Orwell once wrote: “England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In Left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution.”

No, I can think of another country that applies to perfectly, George.

292 My 2 Cents  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 6:41:00pm

re: #288 Josephine

Yes, I suppose the "4 slogans" refers to their 4 main "aims." Thank you.
I really think they should have either included those in the petition directly, or not cited them.

293 Frank_Mtl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 6:44:02pm

re: #292 My 2 Cents

Agreed.

294 Anathema  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 6:45:30pm

Seems I've struck lucky 1000 on the petition? We need about two more zeroes...ok, perhaps three.

295 Maximu§  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 6:45:49pm

The day will come when Europe wakes up and tries to straighten out the mess the Socialists have created by letting in large numbers of Muslims over the past 40-50 years, but I'm not sure if the WHITE European Males are ready to mix it up on the cobble-stone streets with Communist/Fascist/Islamic street Thugs...I pray there is some crusader blood left in some of them.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR BlackHorse Regiment

296 legalpad  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 6:46:39pm

re: #286 ex cathedra

That is interesting. But I don't think Nationalism or the lack is a contradiction. In the case of Mussolini, Hitler, Tojo, and others, it was just the collectivism of choice, something for people to sacrifice themselves to. It's of a different flavor than "patriotism", which can be pride in a country run by it's own people.

Globalism is a way of wresting the power from the people in a representative government. Giving other countries who are not necessarily representative governments, or extremely corrupt governments, power over a country with a true representative government does that. Both Mussolini's nationalism and today's globalism function to usurp individual rights and centralize power in the hands of a few.

297 hiker  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 6:48:26pm

re: #40 WALT C

Flanders is pretty much synonymous for a graveyard. Kind of fits in this instance.

298 Carridine  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 6:50:29pm

re: #296 legalpad

"...it was just the collectivism of choice, something for people to sacrifice themselves to..."

a convenient shibboleth, to wield over the people, controlling them to their obvious detriment...

299 legalpad  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 6:53:06pm

re: #289 WimbledonWomble

some Repubs are so in bed with anti-American interests that they are beyond hope

Who are they?

300 Josephine  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 6:59:49pm

re: #290 Frank_Mtl

re: #288 Josephine

Thank you for the link, and those four "Aims" are fine by me!

You're welcome. I hope I quoted the right ones: they were the first four.

301 grumpy old codger  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 7:00:38pm

re: #297 hiker

In Flanders' fields the poppies grow,...

302 Josephine  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 7:06:50pm

re: #292 My 2 Cents

You're welcome. I agree. Maybe it's a language thing or maybe they're not used to setting up this type of website.

303 WimbledonWomble  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 7:07:52pm

re: #299 legalpad

re: #289 WimbledonWomble

some Repubs are so in bed with anti-American interests that they are beyond hope

Who are they?

There is one in particular, but I don't want to start a flame war.

304 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 7:08:09pm

re: #291 Silhouette

I can draw from some experience when I say that Belgium has been so socially-democratized as lose almost all national identity. Early on in the evolution of the European Community, Belgium turned into little more than an economic entity. A socialist enterprise, if you will. Shortly after 9/11, many in Brussels joined the other slaves to fashion in old Europe and said "Today, we are all New Yorkers". That fad changed, however, when it became apparent that America could not be brought to its knees. Now, they have only resentment and regret. They await their new masters.

305 ElKafir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 7:08:17pm

Governor of Brusseles
Mme. Véronique Paulus de Châtelet
s.gouverneur@brugouverneur.irisnet.be

Mayor of Brusseles:
M. Freddy Thielemans
Cabinet.Bgm.Thielemans@brucity.be


Bombs away!

306 legalpad  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 7:09:33pm

re: #303 WimbledonWomble

OK. I can probably think of one.

307 Josephine  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 7:11:03pm

re: #268 Fjordman

My husband is convinced there will be civil wars in England and other countries because of the way their native peoples are being treated.

308 Maximu§  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 7:13:39pm

re: #304 Pullus Iulius

They await their new masters.


The new masters will be exceptionally cruel...

309 JohnConnor  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 7:18:00pm

#288 Josephine

According to the SIAD (Stop the Islamisation of Denmark) website, the FOUR SLOGANS are:

STOP THE ISLAMISATION OF EUROPE
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
NO SHARIA HERE!
DEMOCRACY NOT THEOCRACY!

And I only had to sift thru three different sites to find them!

310 baconeatingkaffir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 7:18:28pm

If Europe thinks occupation under the nazis was bad... wait until they're under Islamic occupation. Those thugs wrote the SS playbook.

311 Cygnus  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 7:20:58pm

re: #12 D'kian_

So now Muslims may be offended by silence?

Muslims are offended by everything!

312 WimbledonWomble  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 7:22:21pm

re: #306 legalpad

re: #303 WimbledonWomble

OK. I can probably think of one.

Thank you, legalpad. If I were allowed to go on, I'd offend a lot of people and maybe get banned by LGF but I think there are at least two candidates on the Repub side that should not be president under any circumstances, and I am not too fond of some who are not running also ... Okay, let's leave it at that. I will be voting Repub or not voting at all, depending on the candidates. But I think that things are not as simple as Repub v. Dem because I am sorely disappointed by both sides. I could tell you what I think the best course of action post-9/11 would have been, and it is not what either George W. or Gore would have done. I think we missed an opportunity to solve a problem, and neither were or would have been up to the challenge.

313 Cygnus  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 7:24:02pm

re: #31 NoSubmission

I signed it.

Me too.

314 Josephine  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 7:45:34pm

re: #309 JohnConnor

#288 Josephine

According to the SIAD (Stop the Islamisation of Denmark) website, the FOUR SLOGANS are:

STOP THE ISLAMISATION OF EUROPE
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
NO SHARIA HERE!
DEMOCRACY NOT THEOCRACY!

And I only had to sift thru three different sites to find them!

Oh, well done! Thank you! And here I thought it must be on their own site, LOL. My second blunder of the night. ; )

315 gardenia  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 7:48:44pm

What a cowardly, pathetic excuse of a man this mayor is. He is one of the reasons that europe has become a safe house for the extremists. Giving in and giving up.

Europe, this is NOT why we liberated you in WWII.

316 baconeatingkaffir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 7:53:18pm

re: #315 gardenia

What a cowardly, pathetic excuse of a man this mayor is. He is one of the reasons that europe has become a safe house for the extremists. Giving in and giving up.

Europe, this is NOT why we liberated you in WWII.

NO, but it is the kind of behavior that caused us to have to librate them in WWII.

317 abu_garcia  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 7:55:52pm

re: #307 Josephine

re: #268 Fjordman

My husband is convinced there will be civil wars in England and other countries because of the way their native peoples are being treated.


Hard to fight a war without arms. Whoodathunkit!

We know they only took the guns away to take them away from the criminals and crazies...riiight. Criminals and Crazies- that's the ticket!

318 Josephine  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 8:03:22pm

re: #317 abu_garcia

Yeah, it's very difficult to own a handgun in Canada and now the Mayor of Toronto wants to ban them outright because of gun crime. These shootings are being done with illegally owned and obtained weapons but that doesn't matter to many of our politicians. Those same politicians will quickly blame the illegal weapons on smuggling across the U.S. border. Well, we have border police on our side, too, so aren't they also to blame?

It drives me crazy.

319 JohnConnor  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 8:12:38pm

Fat Freddy needs to see this...

Wake Up Europe!
[Link: www.veoh.com...]

...and take it to heart.

320 darkster2400  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 8:14:03pm

what do you expect of a nation located so close to France?

321 sheik yer'mami  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 8:25:57pm

Fat Freddy sold his soul to the Muhammedan Satan

Sign the petition here

[Link: www.expatica.com...]

322 sheik yer'mami  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 8:29:10pm

Fat Freddy is totally in the pocket of the Islamofascists and rides on the support of more than 14 Muhammedans in his cabinet


Meet the Mayor of Brussels: She’s a Muslim

[Link: www.canadafreepress.com...]

323 deltafox  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 8:40:21pm

Do something

Call:
Belgian Embassy U.S. of America
3330, Garfield Street
N.W. Washington D.C. 20008

Telephone (202) 333.69.00

324 WimbledonWomble  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:19:48pm

Well, Belgium is just a "shitty little country," not as little as Israel but certainly shittier. Belgium is just a multilingual stooge of the shitty bigger countries around it. Europe is about to lose its identity unless it jettisons the EU and rejects multicultarism and mass immigration. The same could be said of the US, but the US has about 20 extra years. The US should observe what is going on in Europe, though, because if the US does not act, it will be Europe within a generation. Europe, more hopelessly liberal and closer to the masses of Muslims eager to both enjoy its prosperity and work towards its demise, is just the canary in the coal mine. The same will come to the US. Europe must awaken from its slumber, and so must the US, or the sharia will descend upon the whole world.

325 Ledger1  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:25:58pm

Actually, this is an opportunity to net some jihads. This may not be exactly legal but here is an idea:

1. Make it know that a certain group will hold a moment of silence.

2. Alert the undercover community of this action.

3. Hold the public moment of silence and see who counter-protests.

4. Investigate those who counter-protest for terrorists ties.

5. Hunt down all those with terrorist’s connections (individuals, financiers, websites, and money launderers).

326 madmama  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:28:22pm

I will be in Brussels on Sept. 11th...(for business)
I was there on 9/11 too.
I will NEVER forget.
I also just watched "300"...my newest favorite movie.
I must have been a Spartan in my past life.
Funny how appropriate that movie is today.

327 madmama  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:32:44pm

Does anyone know what time the rally is and where?
I may get out of my business early and go.

328 SeattleSE  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:16:41pm

re: #41 just another four-letter word

re: #25 miamitech


okay to be fair to belgium. I have been there and its nice. Antwerp and in the south "flanders" area is nice. Great beer, great chocolate, and clean.

Sure, but what will it be like after the Muslims finish (Finnish?) their takeover? Food for thought.

JAFLW

To be fair, when I lived in the Detroit area, the Muslim area of Dearborn was always better kept than the ahhh...other urban areas.

329 SeattleSE  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:30:34pm

OK, I agree with everything in the original post. I unequivocally support the right of the people to peaceably assemble.

But come on, the issue isn't really 9/11, is it? The controversial point is that the group organizing the rally is basically poking a stick in the eye of the Muslim community through its name alone. Again, I personally support their right to hold a peaceful protest or rally or whatever and to call themselves whatever they want to. I just don't think that you can honestly say that the issue of 9/11 is what's inflammatory here.

Just to make a point, I daresay that a group of neo-Nazi's called "Throw the Irish Catholics out of Boston" couldn't hold a "We love puppies!" rally at Quincy Market without attracting a few pissed off guys named O'Reilly (pun intended).

Nonetheless both groups should have the right to peacefully assemble. And if we're not willing to defend that right, then lesser sons of greater fathers are we.

330 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:47:10pm

Why doesn't the mayor ban Christmas next year? That, too, will offend Muslims. Then ban Easter. And of course, ban pork in grocery stores, and alcohol anywhere, and women going with heads unscarved.

331 siiras  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:54:53pm

Can we have a minute of silence for Europe? Eurabia is dawning.

332 Frank_Mtl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:56:08pm

re: #329 SeattleSE

But come on, the issue isn't really 9/11, is it?


Maybe not, but it sure could be read as your typical islamicized Europe knee-jerk reaction at anything resembling support of America, and as the coward mayor's fear at the prospect of displeasing the "muslim street".

333 bruxellesblog  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 11:17:37pm
#19 D'kian_ 8/10/2007 3:32:03 pm PDT reply quote

Oh, another thing. Since the mayor admits his government cannot perform its basic function of protecting the rights of the citizenry, then I would urge the people of Brussels to stop paying taxes until such time as their government deigns to protect their rights.

Oh, don't worry about that, only 45% of the people in Brussels pay taxes anyway. 25% are unemployed, 30% work for the EU and NATO (who, by the way, also don't pay taxes). Of course, the rest of us who are here working for Fortune 500 companies who can't avoid taxes have a marginal rate of over 64% to live in this socialist paradise (if you include the hidden pension costs that an employer is forced to make that I will NEVER see a penny of).

How big is the black economy of Belgium? According to a study published by Amcham and the US Embassy, around 25% of GDP. Gosh, I wonder why?

Brussels and Wallonia suck off the tit of the Flemish like parasites. The balance of transfer from Flanders to the socialist run French speaking southern Belgium was 12 billion Euros last year...

This is a country of 9 million of which 60% or so is Flemish. And you wonder why the Flemish are so pissed off all the time?

334 Idle Drifter  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 11:36:11pm

re: #329 SeattleSE


I've seen far worse at "Peace" protests aiming to offend. Some people just need to grow a thicker skin, oh and drop the equivalence rhetoric.

335 anat  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 11:38:47pm

re: #329 SeattleSE

But come on, the issue isn't really 9/11, is it? The controversial point is that the group organizing the rally is basically poking a stick in the eye of the Muslim community through its name alone.

I disagree. The choice of date for the demonstration clearly states that their own experience in Europe puts them firmly on the American side in the war against Islamic totalitarianism, of which 9/11 was just one if the most famous manifestation.

336 Aylios  Sat, Aug 11, 2007 12:47:00am

Alas, we live in the age of doublethink and the logic of these arguments won't penetrate the liberal mindscreen.

337 kepiblanc  Sat, Aug 11, 2007 2:02:16am

# 116 Grumpy: Yes, but actually it's "Legio Patria Nostra". Very appropriate now, when all Europeans are considered foreigners and "untermenschen" in the EUrabian Union. The question is, what happens when all those foreigners wake up and form legions and legions under the battlecry: "Enough!"

338 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Aug 11, 2007 2:45:33am

Well, if the Mohammedians have their way, Eurabia won't have to observe a minute of silence. They'll have decades of silence. Didn't the Taliban ban music and television? Aaah, nothing shows the love of Allah like a good beating or decapitation! Meet the neighbor's wife and stone her to death! As I mentioned in another thread, Brussels has become quite a hostile place to live if you're not a mohammedian... especially if you happened to be stationed there with NATO.

339 Blueprinter  Sat, Aug 11, 2007 3:39:39am

Sign the petition!
1425 or so signatures so far.
[Link: www.petitiononline.com...]

340 ex cathedra  Sat, Aug 11, 2007 4:06:49am

re: #296 legalpad

re: #286 ex cathedra

That is interesting. But I don't think Nationalism or the lack is a contradiction. In the case of Mussolini, Hitler, Tojo, and others, it was just the collectivism of choice, something for people to sacrifice themselves to. It's of a different flavor than "patriotism", which can be pride in a country run by it's own people.

Globalism is a way of wresting the power from the people in a representative government. Giving other countries who are not necessarily representative governments, or extremely corrupt governments, power over a country with a true representative government does that. Both Mussolini's nationalism and today's globalism function to usurp individual rights and centralize power in the hands of a few.

I think that if we put an equality sign between different types of authoritarianisms, we will overlook important differences. The emphasis on nationalism could be a crucial distinction. For example, you could have a genuine democracy that has a strong commitment to preserving the national culture and traditions. Such a democratic state could restrict mass immigration from countries with incompatible cultural traditions and encourage the assimilation of existing immigrants. This would certainly be a very different society from a multicultural democracy. Another crucial difference between today's European states and Mussolini's state is that today's atmosphere is that of a total apathy and complete disinterest in self-sacrifice, encouraged by the political ideology. So, in Mussolini's time, people were nationalistic and ready for self-sacrifice. Today they are indifferent to national culture and indifferent to being a loyal citizens of their states. This is why the resulting societies are very different. The only similarity I see is the authoritarian nature of the state.

341 AtadOFF  Sat, Aug 11, 2007 4:08:22am

And who said violence or the threat of violence never accomplished anything?

/Sarc off

Brought to you by the "please don't hurt me!" and "am I bent over far enough?" mayor of Brussels.

342 JohnConnor  Sat, Aug 11, 2007 4:32:42am

Here's a list of the ruling Socialist Party (PS) members of the Brussels city council headed by Mayor Freddy Thielemans.

Of the 18 PS members, no less than 10 have obvious muslim names.

Thielemans is just a buffoonish frontman. Muslims now control the key city at the heart of the European Union. Without a shot fired in its defence!

FR Freddy THIELEMANS Major PS (Frenchspeaking Socialist Party)
FR Faouzia HARICHE PS
FR Philippe CLOSE PS
FR Mohamed OURIAGHLI PS
FR Karine LALIEUX PS
FR Ahmed EL KTIBI PS
FR Yvan MAYEUR PS
FR Mahfoudh ROMDHANI PS
FR Jean Baptiste DE CRÉE PS
FR Mohammed BOUKANTAR PS
FR Fatima ABID PS
FR Marie-Paule MATHIAS PS
FR Christian VAN DER LINDEN PS
FR Sevket TEMIZ PS
FR Mounia MEJBAR PS
FR Samira ATTALBI PS
FR Mustafa AMRANI PS
FR Julie FISZMAN PS

Compiled from info at Stop the Islamisation of Denmark:
[Link: siad.wordpress.com...]

343 samjohnson  Sat, Aug 11, 2007 5:05:36am

I know that fear is a universal human attribute, but why is cowardice so frequent among socialists and other leftists? I have a friend named "Fred"; try calling him "Freddie" and he'll bloody your nose.

344 RickZ  Sat, Aug 11, 2007 5:30:41am

re: #289 WimbledonWomble

re: #261 Jimash

A Giuliani/Tancredo ticket would be a great ticket. Short of that, it's going to be hard.

One can only wonder at the assuredly explosive GDS quotient were a Giuliani/Tancredo ticket to win. Given how over-the-top rampant BDS is with Bush/Cheney, and their Big Oil connections/history, with Giuliani understanding terrorism and Tancredo understanding the invasion we are undergoing, GDS would be huge, pissing off large sements of the population. I could see that ticket leading to Gay Wedding Chapels set up next to any remaining mosques, with the services only in English.

345 Tigger2005  Sat, Aug 11, 2007 5:32:59am

Only 1,583 signatures on that petition so far? Pathetic. There should be one million by now.

346 Excaliber  Sat, Aug 11, 2007 5:36:13am

The European march towards DHIMMI-DUM -DUM , continues .

Maybe the Belgians will react when their muslim masses succeed in taking their kiddie-porn away . [sarcasm- on ]

I think the perception of America being a "gunslinger nation " is finally "paying off " ...for the first American Mayor to pull this kinda bullshit would be ran outta town , and he people will "take care of the situation " ...and muslims KNOW IT .

However I agree with a previous poster , this may just be a watershed event , for freemen with any kind of balls would surely take great exception to this announcement and protest , not only that, but have an HOUR OF SILENCE , and perhaps even a work stoppage just to rub some noses in it .

Oh well so much for my outburst , gotta get back to loading all those extra clips I've been buying .

347 RickZ  Sat, Aug 11, 2007 5:53:40am

re: #304 Pullus Iulius

re: #291 Silhouette

Shortly after 9/11, many in Brussels joined the other slaves to fashion in old Europe and said "Today, we are all New Yorkers". That fad changed, however, when it became apparent that America could not be brought to its knees. Now, they have only resentment and regret. They await their new masters.

Interesting point. I guess the genetic trait for self-determination has died or already departed from Europe to these shores. Just as many continue to seek self-determination here. But this Noble Experiment is not for everyone. Some people are just too tribal, and that conflicts severely with the pluralism and self-determination, hence Democracy, under which we enjoy life so much. A Noble Experiment of the Human Spirit (Jihad Need Not Apply).

348 Tigger2005  Sat, Aug 11, 2007 5:53:51am

re: #346 Excaliber

.for the first American Mayor to pull this kinda bullshit would be ran outta town , and the people will "take care of the situation " ...and muslims KNOW IT.

Ya think so? Even in San Francisco? Seattle? Detroit? Minneapolis?

349 RickZ  Sat, Aug 11, 2007 5:55:35am

My 347:

Oops. Sorry Silhouette. Not your words.

350 SeattleSE  Sat, Aug 11, 2007 7:17:17am

re: #334 Idle Drifter

re: #329 SeattleSE


I've seen far worse at "Peace" protests aiming to offend. Some people just need to grow a thicker skin, oh and drop the equivalence rhetoric.

I didn't mean to imply that Brussels and Boston would react equally. Boston would grant the hypothetical permit while Brussels, obviously, did not.

In our Republic, the people have the right to peacefully assemble. Apparently, in whatever form of government they have in Belgium, that isn't the case. The guy who posted the names of the Brussels city council nailed it. They control the city and they don't want the rally. It's mob rule at its finest.

351 islamofascism  Sat, Aug 11, 2007 7:59:02am

On 9-11 mourners gathered around the American Embassy in Denmark. It was a respectful gathering and candles were lit. Then the silence was broken: I will never forget the mocking Palestinians, honking their car horns, waving their terror flags, driving up and down the street while singing and yelling.

A group of arab thugs approached me and yelled "I'm related to Osama, and what are you going to do?" His friend was feeling generous (it WAS afterall a day of celebration) and advised his friend to "spare me".

352 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Aug 11, 2007 8:04:41am

re: #351 islamofascism

Aaah, yes, the expressions of peace from the religion of piss. I was here in Turkey when it happened. Turkey is by no means a stranger to terrorism. Anyhow, I was sitting in a pub when it happened and after I noticed it, the bar wouldn't let me pay. Strangely enough, the Turkish police had checkpoints ever few kilometers that night. I guess they were expectin something. Anyhow, 9/11 is something I'll never forget nor forgive.

353 anotherindyfilmguy  Sat, Aug 11, 2007 8:19:19am

That's an interesting contrast to the right wing MP over there who recently called for banning the koran on the basis that it is hate speech disguised as a religion... I wonder if the next big bloodshedding in euroland won't be so much an islam v. west deal as an everyone v. socialism...

354 samsgran1948  Sat, Aug 11, 2007 8:51:07am

The bad thing is: You could very easily substitute "San Francisco" and "mayor of San Francisco" for "Brussels" and "mayor of Brussels." Do you doubt for a single moment that the results would not be the same? (Or "Berkeley" and "mayor of Berkeley".) Belgium and the EU may be first on the slippery slope, but there are a lot of Americans doing their damndest to get on right behind them.


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