"West Bank first" -- never heard that phrase. Is that supposed to be a play on the charge of "Israel first" policy?

Oh the moderate ones. there's moderate ones?

Where is the 21st Century's Maggie Thatcher or Winston Churchill?

Can you really jeopardize peace when there wasn't any to start with?

And let's not worry about holding Hamas accountable for their murderous rampage in Gaza. I mean, its not their fault, right?

There are no moderates among Hamas and Hezbollah, firing rockets at civilians while behind human shields proves it.

this goes well with the BBC program "The Trial of Tony Blair" that the BBC had on yesterday.

the West no longer has the will to stand and fight.

re: #3 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Appearantly not on the Continent.

ANNOUNCEMENT:

I'm not going to make this a front page post, but a couple of things need to be said.

I'm very disappointed at the number of comments that had to be deleted in the Hizballah billboard thread. Some people seem to think that LGF is a place where they can advocate vandalism and illegal activity and get away with it because they're "anonymous."

From now on, any such comments will not only be deleted, they will be cause for instant loss of posting privileges. I've warned people about this before, but it apparently didn't take. So it's time for zero tolerance. There will be no appeal.

Also, please do not quote from comments that are probably going to be deleted, even to denounce them; this just creates another comment that has to be deleted. Instead, use the 'report' button to notify the janitor.

All of Europe is eager to feed the beast....
Prodi calls for dialogue with Hamas

Italian Prime Minister Romano Prodi has sparked a new row over the attitude his country should have towards Hamas.

He declared Sunday that there is a need for dialogue with Hamas to help the Palestinian group develop politically.

“The government should urgently consider ways of engaging politically with moderate elements within Hamas,” the all-party group of lawmakers said.

Whaaa?

That statement alone demonstrates how little whatever solons were on this committee understand the situation in the middle east--and how worthless their advice is.

It said Blair’s refusal as prime minister to call for an immediate ceasefire had done “significant damage to the UK’s reputation.”

Not nearly as significant as the damage this report itself will cause. What a joke the UK has become.

Blair’s refusal as prime minister to call for an immediate ceasefire had done “significant damage to the UK’s reputation.... among those who think terrorists can be reasoned with." There, fixed that.

What moderate elements in Hamas?!
I really hate to say this, but stick a fork in Great Britain, they're done.

re: #3 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Where is the 21st Century's Maggie Thatcher or Winston Churchill?

If they exist at all, probably bound by ASBO's!

#8

I've been out of the loop too long. What happened to being civil in the comments? If not civil, at least not downright nasty.

So any bets on when Britain will return the Rosetta Stone to Egypt so as to "promote understanding" or some such nonsense?

They are still going to blow up your buses, cafes, underground, etc.

Yes, they mean you too, not just the Joo.

They must have Sinn Fein confused with Hamas.

NOT negotiating with terrorists is wrong now. What a world, what a world.

This will be sad to watch, but I really think that, unless we want this to happen here, the more visibly and obviously daily life changes in Britain and the uglier it gets, the better it will be for us here in the US.

Don't get me wrong, I cringe for what the average Brit is about to go through. They are already unwelcome in their own country and it is only going to get worse.

We need to make room for as many refugees as we can. That will be a definite twist on history, won't it?

Susan

That's not even the worst of the moonbattery in the UK. Some would like to see Blair put on trial (via Hot Air) for his involvment in the Iraq campaign.

But, as a palate cleanser, I provide Michael Yon's assessment.

“The government should urgently consider ways of engaging politically with moderate elements within Hamas,” the all-party group of lawmakers said.

OK. I get it. They just forgot the / sarc tag, right?

Blair’s refusal as prime minister to call for an immediate ceasefire had done “significant damage to the UK’s reputation.”

British Parliament: stop worrying about the UK’s “reputation” – this isn’t a beauty contest, and no one cares anyway. Instead, please START fighting fascism. k? thnx

re: #4 simonml

Can you really jeopardize peace when there wasn't any to start with?

And let's not worry about holding Hamas accountable for their murderous rampage in Gaza. I mean, its not their fault, right?

That was my first thought but I wasn't quick enough logging in.

Also, it is Israel's fault that Hamas went on a murderous rampage killing their fellow "palestinians" When you join a terrorist group, be sure to join the correct terrorist group.

waaaaay over the top ! The U.K. parliament is not in the hands of an all-party committee. An all party committee is the equivalent of a consultancy report which everyone reads, then circular files.

OT

Carl Rove stepped down and I hope our Good President finds a better adviser.

Eh. Gah. Neville Chamberlain redux.
[Link: www.historyplace.com...]

re: #19 SusanL

We need to make room for as many refugees as we can. That will be a definite twist on history, won't it?

What we need at this stage is a new open frontier, Mars perhaps?

I bet Tony Blair is sitting in an office somewhere reading this stuff thinking, "You guys try to do it your way and we'll see what happens." Then he files for citizenship in the US because the UK will be finished.

This is so sad, watching a great civilization self destruct before our very eyes. I have so loved Britain when I have visited, the sense of history is intoxicating. it will be sad to see it go.

When your reputation depends on being liked by Muslim terrorists, I'd say there's already significant damage.

re: #26 Peacekeeper

Eh. Gah. Neville Chamberlain redux.
[Link: www.historyplace.com...]

Yep...looks like they will achieve peace in our time.

talking to people who don't want a discussion is counter productive as well... why bother talking, their mind is already made up. Chamberlain would smile, knowingly.

re: #18 Silhouette

Are you referring to the South Korean hostage situation in Afghanistan? Two women were released, and I've got to believe that there was a quid pro quo. They weren't released simply out of the goodness in the cold black hearts of the Taliban. They must know that something is heading their way - prisoner releases or a ransom.

And if you're wondering why the Taliban have been busier than usual, blame Musharraf for leaving the door open.

Is there any report that gives the names and party affiliations of these distinguished personages?

re: #26 Peacekeeper

Eh. Gah. Neville Chamberlain redux.
[Link: www.historyplace.com...]

At least Chamberlain realized that appeasement was a failure & declared war on Germany (too late to stop the World War, of course). What's the current crop of "leaders" excuse?

re: #1 Abu Maven

"West Bank first" -- never heard that phrase. Is that supposed to be a play on the charge of "Israel first" policy?

I guess Blair wanted to deal with the more reasonable terrorists, and the committee wants him to deal with the more insanely unreasonable terrorists.

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain’s and the international community’s refusal to speak to the Palestinian Islamist group Hamas is doing more harm than good, a British parliamentary committee a Pro-Caliphate committee said on Monday.

FIXED!

Thank you Charles!

For the first time ever, I was truly uncomfortable reading that thread. I hovered over the report button a couple of times, but I didn't want to foist my sensibilities onto others. That being said, I got very uncomfortable with the calls for vandalism and arson.

One of the biggest reasons why we hold the high ground in this fight is because we do not behave that way. Nor, in my humble opinion, should we start. If we can not confront this menace without becoming just like them then what is the point?

Susan

Hamas rules.....
Hamas militiamen beat Gaza protesters

Hamas militiamen beat protesters with clubs and rifle butts to try to stop a demonstration by political opponents in the Gaza Strip on Monday, but hundreds chanting "We want freedom" defied the ban.
....
After Fatah and other allied groups announced plans to stage a rally Monday, Hamas banned "all demonstrations and public gatherings" that did not have special permission.
....
"Treating people in this way when they came to raise their voice in a peaceful demonstration is something that is condemned, rejected and cannot be accepted," he said. "We are astonished by the decision to ban demonstrations."

Following the protest, Hamas squads raided Gaza offices of media organizations seeking material from the rally, eyewitnesses said. Staff at Gulf-based satellite broadcaster Al-Arabiyya said the Hamas men seized a camera, videotape and tripod from their premises.

re: #36 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

re: #1 Abu Maven

"West Bank first" -- never heard that phrase. Is that supposed to be a play on the charge of "Israel first" policy?

I guess Blair wanted to deal with the more reasonable terrorists, and the committee wants him to deal with the more insanely unreasonable terrorists.

Makes sense. If you spend all day huffing paint fumes, that is.

The woman walking near the streetlight at the corner of 4th and Vine has a GREAT 'reputation', Mr Brown.

"...and you know something's happening,
but you don't know what it is,
do you, Mr Brown?"

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All the King's horses, And all the King's men
Couldn't put Humpty together again!

I feel very uncomfortable watching the collapse of Western Civilization.

re: #38 SusanL

Don't be afraid to speak up if you see someone advocating something illegal or immoral.

England is finished. I know alot of brits who have come here to turkey (for some bizarre reason) to get away from the raging muslim horde there. How can the country who used to send missionaries to the rest of the world have so sorely neglected their own now?

"Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All the King's horses, And all the King's men
Got food poisoning from the Islamic omelette!"

Have Stanley Baldwin and Neville Chamberlain come back to life? On second thought, I think weasel appeasement is part of the lifeblood of many British leaders. What a shame.

re: #43 Harry Bergeron

I feel very uncomfortable watching the collapse of Western Civilization.

understatement?
-love the nic, by the way

Hmmm ... "Moderate elements within Hamas, ...”

That has to go down as an oxymoron on the same level as "non working mother," or "honest politician."

Since when did supporting and talking to Hamas terrorists become a wise policy? Morons, the whole lot of them! Off with their heads.

This policy is based on the belief that deep down, all people are good. The moderate Khmer Rouge was particularly inspirational.

No wonder people are leaving the UK in droves.

First they had the magna charta and now they're gonna get the Sharia.

It's a pity they didn't name the MPs on the Committee then I could see whether my MP is on it!

What can I tell you - I've never voted Nu Labour (no surprise) and I'm starting to wonder if the air is so rarified in the Houses of Parliament that the whole bloomin' lot of them have lost touch with reality.

I have no idea why they think that there are any moderate elements in Hamas. If there were, they wouldn't have lasted long.

Bring back Winston Churchill, he would have run rings round 'em.
It just gets worse here, pressure's building.

Moderate elements of Hamas come to meetings with body guards.. radical elements are the body guards.

i feel for our British friends, but it will be an interesting model to follow the results of terror-appeasement.

Every little counts in the struggle against UK appeasers. We can, for instance, go over to BBC Have Your Say on this matter and vote for those comments which are anti-idiotarian.

You know what? I agree.

Let them have full diplomatic relations with SAMAH.

That will really help the Palestinians.

It has more to do with disliking Israel, than trying to help the Palestinians.

Yalla! Talk! Shmooze!

And Chamberlain is smiling in his grave.

Pursuing a “West Bank first” policy — where Britain and others deal with the West Bank, which is run by the more secular Fatah group, and isolate the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip — will further jeopardize peace, the House of Commons Foreign Affairs Committee said in a report on the Middle East.

Peace? What peace? There is no peace. And to hamas, peace means submission. I'm not interested in that kind of peace.

Charles,

The rules here are pretty simple.
Its too bad that policing is necessary, but its necessary.
Don't hesitate. . .you have my support here.

In terms of the content of this thread, one wonders how the current British parliament would deal with the IRA. . .not well, I suppose.

"They sow the wind, and they reap the whirlwind."
Hosea 8:1-14

Terrible, terrible times are coming for Britain.

re: #54 Is it me?

Any one on the horizon showing potential leadership bucking the looming trend?

i used to think i could live somewhere foreign for the soccer, but i'm starting to rethink that.

I know it's just one committee, but this is crazy-whacked. Did this same committee denounce the boycott of Israeli academics? Are they opposed to all boycotts? Would they denounce boycotting Nazis? Or are they just selectively anti-Israel?

And yes, all good Brits ought to voice their opposition to this nutty group/committee.

re: #38 SusanL

Thank you Charles!

For the first time ever, I was truly uncomfortable reading that thread. I hovered over the report button a couple of times, but I didn't want to foist my sensibilities onto others. That being said, I got very uncomfortable with the calls for vandalism and arson.

One of the biggest reasons why we hold the high ground in this fight is because we do not behave that way. Nor, in my humble opinion, should we start. If we can not confront this menace without becoming just like them then what is the point?

Susan

well said

It may take Joe Friday to help their government get the facts straight.

Charles thanks for the spell check -- it's my bestest frin!

re: #1 Abu Maven

"West Bank first" -- never heard that phrase. Is that supposed to be a play on the charge of "Israel first" policy?

I thought of the American "Germany First" strategy in WWII and smiled.

"...It said Blair’s refusal as prime minister to call for an immediate ceasefire had done “significant damage to the UK’s reputation.”..."

Britain's only reputation builders come from their science class, not from their chattering class. Newton - Rutherford - yes. Labor party, BBC, other graduates of marshmallow education...give me a break! Thatcher was their last politican with balls, and she was a chemistry major at Oxford. Thankfully so, because she actually had to exercise her intellect for to "read" that major.

Moderate elements within Hamas? WTF?

re: #65 bosforus

i used to think i could live somewhere foreign for the soccer, but i'm starting to rethink that.

You could move to L.A. We have Beckham, and L.A. is about as foreign as it gets.

re: #8 Charles I hadn't realized how many comments you deleted on that thread, as I didn't get on it until it became the Dead Thread.
So I went back and looked and that's the worse I've ever seen on LGF. Ever.
With all due respect to you, Charles, I do think you need to make that a Front Page post. Both because it really "Stands Out" as the kind of crap with which LGF will not put up and because most of the posters (if not all) who were deleted hardly ever, it seems to me, post on the DT or the morning/early afternoon threads (at least East Coast Time) and because one can get banned without any sort of appeal at all.
That you have to say it at all is sorta sad (for LGF) but if you are gonna say it, say it LOUD as a Front Page item.
FWIW.

It's a long way from a committee report to formal foreign policy or legislation.
I suspect that, just as with Senators and House members, you can get a cliqueful of MP's together and come up with a report espousing pretty much anything to make a particular political point. Dig through the constituencies of the authors and you'll probably find interested parties.

re: #27 Fluffster

What we need at this stage is a new open frontier, Mars perhaps?

But, didn't you hear? Mars is the 8234752nd holiest site under Islam.

All joking aside, I say no more retreats. Squash the cockroaches until decide crawl back under their rocks for another century or two.

re: #72 rockman

Moderate elements within Hamas? WTF?

Just like a little bit of rabies....

.

moderate elements within Hamas

The ones having a Martini at the beach with the moderate elements within the NSDAP (National Socialist German Worker Party, you know them as nazi). And the moderate stalinists-gulag-ists.

This is the just deserts of multiculturalism. Canada next?

re: #55 taxfreekiller

I think this is getting off topic a bit, but the fact is, the laws of economics govern the transport of illegal aliens the way they do any other "commodity".

There is already a skilled network in place to transport human beings (as well as drugs, weapons, etc) across our Southern border.

Tightening up the border won't prevent people from getting across, it just drives up the price. This will be true no matter what measures are taken, including the proverbial wall of border agents standing shoulder-to-shoulder. The vast sums of money involved ultimately purchase cooperation via corruption.

That said, that doesn't mean it isn't worthwhile stepping up enforcement and thereby reducing illegal border traffic, but there has to be a realization that no enforcement is going to be absolute, and you generate increasing costs for incremental benefit.

Hamas militiamen beat protesters with clubs and rifle butts to try to stop a demonstration by political opponents in the Gaza Strip on Monday, but hundreds chanting "We want freedom" defied the ban.
....
After Fatah and other allied groups announced plans to stage a rally Monday, Hamas banned "all demonstrations and public gatherings" that did not have special permission.
....
"Treating people in this way when they came to raise their voice in a peaceful demonstration is something that is condemned, rejected and cannot be accepted," he said. "We are astonished by the decision to ban demonstrations."

You have to be kidding me.

.

Tony Blair should personally engage with Hamas

Personally ?
How much personally ?
I could write a comment here but it wouldn't be in good taste.

re: #74 realwest

I don't think that is necessarily a good idea because then the many spectators/enemies of LGF will seize on this:

Racist problem at LGF requires major clampdown.

IMO, this is the right way.
Those who know, know.
Those who don't will quickly learn.

re: #55 taxfreekiller

I heard on Fox this a.m. that the rapist/killer in New Jersey was affiliated with M-13.

#80 looking closely

Not sure I buy your argument. The wall in Israel had an amazing effect, homicide bombings dropped precipitously after the wall went up.

#73 You could move to L.A. We have Beckham, and L.A. is about as foreign as it gets.

Here in New York, we have Katie Couric, last year's Beckham.

re: #77 Prisoner of Diesel

re: #72 rockman

Moderate elements within Hamas? WTF?

Just like a little bit of rabies....

Thats akin to stating Moderate elements within Al Capones organization.
moderate elements within the Nazis
The moderate side of Pol Pot
Moderate temperatures at Antartica

They're using the Hitler playbook:
"On September 22, an optimistic Chamberlain returned to Germany to see Hitler, this time to a hotel at Godesberg along the Rhine River. The Prime Minister informed Hitler that he could have the Sudetenland after all, just as he wanted.

"Do I understand that the British, French, and Czech governments have agreed to the transfer of the Sudetenland from Czechoslovakia to Germany?" Hitler asked him.

"Yes," said the smiling Chamberlain.

"I'm awfully sorry," Hitler responded, "but that won't do anymore...this solution is no longer of any use."

Chamberlain was stunned, his hopes for an easy peace suddenly dashed. Hitler now raised the stakes by demanding a German Army occupation of the Sudetenland by October 1st and the expulsion of all non-Germans living there.

Chamberlain, utterly flabbergasted at this dangerous turn of events, informed Hitler this amounted to a military ultimatum and said the Czechs wouldn't agree to such terms. But Hitler said he didn't care. The Czechs had to agree to an Army occupation, or else.

The British Prime Minister had just become the second victim of Hitler's gangster diplomacy. He had risked his whole political career and the prestige of the British Empire to appease Hitler, only to be rudely turned down for no apparent reason. "

[Link: www.historyplace.com...]

re: #80 looking closely

Tightening up the border won't prevent people from getting across, it just drives up the price.

True, but prices go up because supplies are low.

Have You Hugged Your Terrorist Today

#24 threecolors..

I hear you.
The problem is, these things are escalating, not going away.
The water is getting deeper. Ignoring it is not a good option.

OT:
Did anyone hear about this radiation incident in New Jersy?

Via Atlas:

Radioactive in New Jersey?

"Chamberlain decided to grasp at this last chance for saving the peace. He telegraphed Hitler that he was ready to return for more talks "at once." He also sent a telegram to Italy's Fascist leader, Benito Mussolini, asking him to intercede with Hitler on his behalf. Mussolini then contacted Hitler and proposed a joint summit that would include Germany, England, France, and Italy. Hitler agreed to it. The location chosen was Munich.

Before leaving England for his third and final trip to Germany, Chamberlain declared: "When I was a little boy, I used to repeat, 'If at first you don't succeed, try, try, try again.' That's what I am doing. When I come back I hope I may be able to say, as Hotspur says in Henry IV, 'Out of this nettle, danger, we plucked this flower, safely.' "

The Munich conference took place inside a brand new Nazi building called the Führerbau on September 29 and lasted into the early morning hours of the 30th. It was attended by Hitler, Chamberlain, Mussolini, and French Prime Minister, Edouard Daladier. Czech representatives were also there but had to wait outside the meeting room because Hitler refused to let them inside to participate.

At the conference, Mussolini said he had his own proposal which might help to resolve things quickly. Unknown to Chamberlain and Daladier, that proposal had been supplied to Mussolini by the Nazis and essentially contained the same demands as Hitler's ultimatum. However, Chamberlain and Daladier accepted this proposal without hesitation in their overwhelming desire to avoid bloodshed.

Just after 1 a.m. on September 30, the four leaders signed the Munich Agreement allowing the German Army to occupy the Sudetenland beginning on October 1, to be completed by October 10. About 1:30 a.m., the Czech representatives were informed of the terms by Chamberlain and Daladier. They had no say in the matter and had no choice but to comply. "

I can picture an Israeli delegation getting treated the same way as the Czechs...

Regarding his impression of the Western Allies, Hitler would later say: "Our enemies are little worms. I saw them at Munich."

ITALY governed by moonbats too:

from the Corriere della Sera

Il premier italiano, domenica aveva infatti detto che "Hamas esiste. Ma aiutiamolo ad evolversi. Per affrontare il problema mediorientale e' indispensabile un dialogo trasparente con tutti".

The italian Prime Minister has said on Sunday that: "Hamas exists. But let's help it to evolve. A transparent dialogue with everybody is needed to face the problems in the ME"

OT - Am I wrong, or has Fred Thompson not yet announced that he is a candidate for the Presidency?

re: #84 MandyManners

Mandy, if you read my blog yesterday, you would have already known that - and in far greater detail. :) It was apparently an open secret in that part of the city that the thugs behind the triple executions were in MS-13.

#29 Beblebrox

You will always be welcome over here. Because I'm English I often forget just how beautiful my country is. The landscape, from the austere grandure of the Scottish highlands to the rolling hills discected by dry stone walls to the fabulous coastline. Architecture that will knock your socks off, from castles from the 12th - 14th century to the wonderful stately homes with their treasures to picture postcard villages up and down the country. So much of it remains untainted by what you read in the press and we work hard to keep it so. Just spend an afternoon dozing in the sun on a village green watching cricket on a summers day and you can feel the age of the land beneath your feet.

I live on the outskirts of a small market town in a tiny cottage that predates your Constitution. Beams, Inglenook fireplace and all. The only straight(ish) walls are downstairs and my bedroom window is at floor level because the room goes right up into the roof. Just down the road from me is a row of "black and white" thatched cottages that date back to the 1600's. There are so many cottages just like these up and down the country, in villages and small market towns that keep our culture and traditions alive.

It's when you get to the really big towns and into the cities that it all goes Pete Tong (wrong). Give you three guesses why!

I'm getting all nostalgic now.

we need a citizenry swap with the UK: we'll take all of their conservatives/non-progressives and ship all of our leftists/progressives to the UK so they can bask in the utopia they desire. it'll be the summer of love all over again, except with muslims orchestrating the moonbat festivities....

it's a classic win /win.

Neville? Neville? Is that you?

re: #8 Charles

You already explained the situation like 2 days ago, i don't know why people won't listen.

Sharmuta (#61),

Pursuing a “West Bank first” policy — where Britain and others deal with the West Bank, which is run by the more secular Fatah group, and isolate the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip — will further jeopardize peace, the House of Commons Foreign Affairs Committee said in a report on the Middle East.

Peace? What peace? There is no peace. And to hamas, peace means submission. I'm not interested in that kind of peace.

Amazingly blinkered aren't they?

re: #39 Killgore Trout
these must have been the "moderates" the radical ones would have handcuffed the crowd and thrown them off a 15 story building.

/:))

Dear God in Heaven! Are these people insane?

LEMMING STAMPEEEEEDE!

re: #83 looking closely Um, I don't know where the word "racist" would come from, but I gave my comment a lot of thought before posting it.
Yes, you're right - as a Front Page item, the LLL Loons might in fact jump on it.
OTOH, those same LLL Loons say we're a racist hate site as it is and if there was anything racist in the numerous posts which Charles had to delete, then - again with all due respect to Charles, IMO, Charles should have deleted them and banned the commentators. Racisim, homophobia and the like has never been tolerated out here - if Charles doesn't get 'em himself, then some of us will report them (perhaps incurring Charles displeasure at reporting something he doesn't think should have been reported) or, more likely, we'll smack said commenters down ourselves.
In fact, while the sheer number of comments by so many different commentators had to be deleted by Charles upset me, what upsets me most is that the other LGFer's on board at the time, didn't smack them down right then and there (and then reported 'em to Charles or Stinky).
This is obviously Charles blog. But I still think of LGF as a community of folks who usually police themselves. Otherwise, instead of the comments adding to LGF, they can detract from it.

Yeah, this is just a committee of backbench MPs consisting of 14 people; 8 Labour MPs (plus chairman); 4 Conservative MPs; 2 Liberal Democrat MPs whose job it is to 'analyse' what the Foreign Office gets up to. No problem there really. It's the Foreign Office itself that I'm more concerned about, which no doubt is full of Israel-condemning, terrorist (Palestinian)-appeasing handwringing moral relativists with no spines.
In reference to the Churchill thing: Nicholas Soames is incumbent MP for Mid Sussex. He's Churchill's grandson, and I dare say shares a lot of his qualities. Unfortunately, we have a knack of feeling shame (some warranted, some not) for our history, so somebody like that'd never make much headway in this era of multicultaralist, socialist weirdness. Thatcher's progeny are both not in politics.
So yeah, in summation, I'd say we're pretty much fucked.

"UK Governed by Moonbats"

Well at least they are not governed by Troofers. (Yet).

re: #92 BrianA Yeah, it's something that was discussed, at some length on the DT; it appears as if the driver of the car was an environmental worker who was carrying in a protected box, soil samples which he had uncovered at some unspecified site, which is also why he had some sort of radioactive detection device in the trunk as well.
Of course, this could all be wrong, but of course there's been no further word that I'm aware of on the MSM.

Blame one way multiculturalism Children told to copy lines from Muslim Call To Prayer - to practise their handwriting

Junior schoolchildren were told to copy lines of a Muslim prayer - for handwriting practice.

The Call To Prayer copied by ten-year-olds at Newlands Primary School in Wakefield, West Yorkshire, included the lines "Allah is the greatest" and "there is no god but Allah".

Angry parent Hayley Clayton told the Sun: "The explanation was that the children were learning about Islam in RE.

"But this was like taking an oath. A Muslim child would never be asked to write a Bible passage."

Her stepson Billy Darbyshire was one of the classmates told by his teacher, deputy head Helen Green, to copy the prayer. "Why didn't she choose a passage from a normal story book to teach handwriting?"

When she pointed out that three of the 7/7 suicide bombers came from Leeds just 15 miles away, Mrs Green acknowleged that it was a "sensitive issue".

"If it's sensitive, why choose that prayer?" she asked.

Billy's dad Martin said there were no Muslims in the class. "I'm not religious but it offended me.

"It must have been worse for children whose parents do have different beliefs."

Wakefield Council officials said they believed the prayer had been written for a Religious Education lesson.

We’re about to witness what happens when a country is governed by the “progressive” Kos mentality. And it’s going to be ugly.

Think we've already seen this.

Spain. It was ugly.

France. It was uglier.

If the trend continues...

"engaging politically with moderate elements" was exactly what worked in Northern Ireland - troops have just left.

Since these parliamentarians yearn to get close to Hamas, I suggest they hold their future meeting in Sederot.

re: #74 realwest

re: #8 Charles I hadn't realized how many comments you deleted on that thread, as I didn't get on it until it became the Dead Thread.
So I went back and looked and that's the worse I've ever seen on LGF. Ever.
With all due respect to you, Charles, I do think you need to make that a Front Page post. Both because it really "Stands Out" as the kind of crap with which LGF will not put up and because most of the posters (if not all) who were deleted hardly ever, it seems to me, post on the DT or the morning/early afternoon threads (at least East Coast Time) and because one can get banned without any sort of appeal at all.
That you have to say it at all is sorta sad (for LGF) but if you are gonna say it, say it LOUD as a Front Page item.
FWIW.

I was re-reading the thread and saw the number of deletes. Wow, there were a lot. Sadly, as a Canadian, part of me is happy that we generated such passion. We don't want conflict, but Canadians are usually ignored. And to have Charles announce a new policy because of a Canadian thread; that's kind of cool.

On the other hand, if there are other Canadians that want to use that incident in an e-mail, letter campaign to limit Muslim immigration to Canada, please contact me. During the last war, Canada evacuated 50,000 Canadians

I'm still ticked.

Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya.......
sing along everybody. You know the words!

“The government should urgently consider ways of engaging politically with moderate elements within Hamas,”

The moderates are the ones who smile and wave before they cut your throat.

re: #113 pollo

"engaging politically with moderate elements" was exactly what worked in Northern Ireland - troops have just left.

"Engaging" with people whose unshakable stated purpose is my death means handing them a knife.

pollo (#113),

"engaging politically with moderate elements" was exactly what worked in Northern Ireland - troops have just left.

That's a poor comparison. I don't think the IRA's stated goal was the destruction of Britain.

re: #109 experiencedtraveller

Not much separation between the two.

Um, since I didn't get a reply to my #96, I'm gonna have to rely on my memory and iirc, Fred has not announced his candidacy.

So how come I got one of those "URGENT- OVERNIGHT EXPRESS" envelopes from Fred, putting in writing his usual talking points, then asking me for a financial donation while he explores his options?
Isn't that against the Federal Election Laws or something?
Cause if it isn't, y'all might be getting letters from me talking about exploring my options and asking you for money, too! LOL!

re: #115 Canadian Infidel "...to have Charles announce a new policy because of a Canadian thread; that's kind of cool."

Um, not to rain on your parade, as it were, but that is NOT a NEW policy at LGF.

re: #121 realwest

LOL! Yeah- I'm uh...."exploring my options" too.

“The government should urgently consider ways of engaging politically with moderate elements within Hamas,” the all-party group of lawmakers said.

In other news, Britain's new government plans to hold a summit meeting with the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy as soon as enough teeth and chocolate bunny ears can be collected.

The "moderate" elements of Hamas think that Westerners should be given an opportunity to convert to Islam before they are beheaded. The less moderate elements say, behead them first, and then convert them. Either way, they agree that all westerners should be beheaded, and the difference is strictly a matter of timing.

re: #122 realwest

re: #115 Canadian Infidel "...to have Charles announce a new policy because of a Canadian thread; that's kind of cool."

Um, not to rain on your parade, as it were, but that is NOT a NEW policy at LGF.

The immediate banning is new, though.
/quibble

re: #91 hous bin pharteen

It's a cultural clash that's escalating, not an all out war. I am firmly of the belief that only a state can launch a war sufficiently powerful to overthrow a western democracy.
Therefore the allusions to Chamberlin and Churchill are invalid, in fact doubly so, since 20 years after the slaughter of the First World War no-one wanted another, not even Churchill.
The IRA couldn't overthrow the British, The combined forces of Hamas/Fatah can't overthrow Israel, the Chechnians can't overthrow Russia, the Jamat-i-islimia can't overthrow India, and so on.
We are faced with a political problem ie unified opposition to terrorism, unified opposition to the refusal to integrate.
Therefore any extreme response on our part is as un-unifying as a feeble response. The devil is, as usual, in the details.

The committee also criticized Britain’s response to last year’s war between Israel and Lebanon’s Islamist Hezbollah movement. It said Blair’s refusal as prime minister to call for an immediate ceasefire had done “significant damage to the UK’s reputation.”

Quick, somebody tell them that Hezbollah has admitted they would probably have surrendered if Israel had continued fighting another week!

I'm sure they all just happened not to see that report.
/

re: #126 lurking faith Yes, you're correct. The immediate banning thing, with no appeal, is new.
And I'm afraid some posters have made it necessary to have this "new" policy.

And I will just reiterate something I said above: I'm astonished and ashamed that LGFer's didn't smack those clowns down. Immediately.
Of course they could've reported 'em to Charles, but still I think it's important for us to do our part as well. No reason not to report someone AND to smack them down at the same time.

Is england going to become the fourth Reich?

You know, this strategy just ... might ... work!

See, you engage the "moderate" elements in an extremist organization and get them to love all the money you send them, get them all good and corrupt. Then the "non-moderate," "true believer" elements get all disgusted and kill'em off. Then you engage the "moderate" elements within THAT element. Rinse and repeat. After a while, you're left with one "extremist" and one "moderate." Put'em in a cage match to the death.

realwest (#129),

Hey, don't look at me.

*sigh*
Someday I'll get over there, too. Most of my ancestors are Scottish and English... and I'm laughing at your house with no straight lines, mine's a little like that also. It's only 77 years old, but was hand-built by the first owner and is solid as a rock. :)
I pray that you'll always be able to live happily in your little village, and that soon you'll have some elected officials that will stand up to the invasion going on right now in your country.

re: #98 Is it me?

#29 Beblebrox

You will always be welcome over here. Because I'm English I often forget just how beautiful my country is. The landscape, from the austere grandure of the Scottish highlands to the rolling hills discected by dry stone walls to the fabulous coastline. Architecture that will knock your socks off, from castles from the 12th - 14th century to the wonderful stately homes with their treasures to picture postcard villages up and down the country. So much of it remains untainted by what you read in the press and we work hard to keep it so. Just spend an afternoon dozing in the sun on a village green watching cricket on a summers day and you can feel the age of the land beneath your feet.

I live on the outskirts of a small market town in a tiny cottage that predates your Constitution. Beams, Inglenook fireplace and all. The only straight(ish) walls are downstairs and my bedroom window is at floor level because the room goes right up into the roof. Just down the road from me is a row of "black and white" thatched cottages that date back to the 1600's. There are so many cottages just like these up and down the country, in villages and small market towns that keep our culture and traditions alive.

It's when you get to the really big towns and into the cities that it all goes Pete Tong (wrong). Give you three guesses why!

I'm getting all nostalgic now.

re: #132 Geepers LOL! No, I'm not looking at you Geeps - unless of course your were on board that thread when all the bullshit was being posted!
Which I doubt, cause you're one of the LGFers whom I believe would smack one of those suckers so far down, he'd need a damn forklift to get up! LOL!

Maybe the moonbat appeasers in charge of the UK are the reason that this is happening: 4,000 People a Week Trying to Leave UK

re: #24 threecoloursblue

Quoting from the UK Parliament Wiki article

All legislation must be passed by the House of Commons to become law and it controls taxation and the supply of money to the government. Government ministers (including the Prime Minister) must regularly answer questions in the House of Commons and there are a number of select committees that scrutinise particular issues and the workings of the government. There are also mechanisms that allow members of the House of Commons to bring to the attention of the government particular issues affecting their constituents.

UK parliament Committees scrutinises not influences UK government policy therefore the title of this thread is incorrect. There is moonbats elected to take part in governing UK but not governing the UK.

O/T:

Rabbi Zamir Cohen on Gog, Magog, Moshiach and the End of Days

re: #19 SusanL

"We need to make room for as many [British] refugees as we can. That will be a definite twist on history, won't it?"

No, America was founded by British refugees. As long as their conservative and/or Christians, it will be a welcome addition. (They can keep their moonbats and probably will, until it's too late for them.)

My heart breaks for Britain though. They are a proud people with much to be proud of. I just wonder where it all went wrong.

UK had a brain/$$$ drain in the mid-60s til the late 70s...

Then Thatcherism gave Brits a chance at staying in country AND keeping their earnings.

...and now, the tide flows out again.

re: #135 gop_patriot

Maybe the moonbat appeasers in charge of the UK are the reason that this is happening: 4,000 People a Week Trying to Leave UK

And this is how countries are conquored nowadays. There are the means and the wherewithall to abandon your country without a fight and seek your immediate gratification in some other county.

This article is the manifistation of the Left's mantra that nothing is worth fighting for. It may take a generation or two for folks to realize that there is no where left to run to, and then what? Too much diaspora to form any coherent resistence. Hello Caliphate.

I wonder how long America will hold out?

re: #129 realwest

You're right; it's disappointing that people didn't chide the offenders en masse. (I wasn't around.)

I want that billboard and anything like it gone; it expresses (indirectly) support for race-based violence against an ally. But if we stoop to their tactics, we throw away our principles. And, incidentally, feed the moral-equivalence left.

Much as I appreciate the solidarity and comradeship shown by US lizards towards us in the UK but I can't see all the froth that is getting generated by a committee that as I mentioned in earlier post only scrutinises only influences government policy.

There but for the grace of G-d goes the US.

re: #142 cagney

PIMF

only scrutinises not influences government policy.

re: #113 pollo

"engaging politically with moderate elements" was exactly what worked in Northern Ireland - troops have just left.

Because there were moderate elements to engage with. Hamas, sworn to the destruction of Israel is not one of these. Are there moderate Palestinians? Perhaps. Are there any worth discussing peace with? Perhaps, like there were Germans that opposed the Nazis. However, you don't negotiate with the Nazi party itself.

re: #145 jayzee

There is peace is Northern Ireland because the terrorists were willing to talk when their funding dried up after 9/11.

re: #146 cagney

re: #145 jayzee

There is peace is Northern Ireland because the terrorists were willing to talk when their funding dried up after 9/11.

Which is kind of my point. You don't negotiate with those that only want to kill you. Will they ever want peace? Possibly, but hitting them hard, refusing to grant them legitimacy and financial hardship are but many of the influencers an aggrieved party can and should use.

I don't think it will be long before the US is doing the same thing. We'll see how things turn out in 2008. This is the trend though. We've reached a point where we are so afraid to offend anyone that we can barely function.

This is no different than placing ourselves at a strategic disadvantage in a war to avoid offending people. Very few Western politicians are brave enough to tackle problems head on, they just like to kick the problem down the road, and hope it doesn't blow up on their watch. Yes, let's keep talking to the terrorists surrounding Israel. That has worked out so well for the last 40 years.

The Islamists know what our weakness is, hell - we know what are weakness is, but still we won't do a thing about it. We could have already had peace in the Middle East by now, if we just went in hard and hit them with everything we had. Maybe all these years of poor leadership, tactical incompetence, and downright criminally negligent leadership has just been a ploy. Perhaps we are just trying to convince the Islamists that we are completely hapless, bumbling morons with no long range vision and no stomach for a hard fight. Enough is enough, I think they are plenty convinced, now let's surprise the hell out of them and defeat that damn enemy for a change. It's not that hard, just fight to win. Have we forgotten how it's done?

Pursuing a “West Bank first” policy — where Britain and others deal with the West Bank, which is run by the more secular Fatah group, and isolate the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip — will further jeopardize peace...

Well, gosh! The last thing we'd want to is to "isolate" terrorists! For that matter how can we have social peace as long as we keep "isolating" murderers, thieves, rapists, et al?

re: #147 jayzee

The point I was trying to make is that there was no moderates in the IRA. They were starved of cash and was forced to the peace process.

re: #150 cagney

Yes, after 9/11 the notion of the Irish freedom fighter wasn't so romantic any more, was it fella? It was the political way or extinction for that lot.

Also, while I'm at it, I'll support the point made earlier that a Commons Committee doth not policy make. They just look at things and bitch and whine about them to justify their existence, to say nothing of their paypackets. Not a cause for hysteria, really.

re: #19 SusanL

We need to make room for as many refugees as we can. That will be a definite twist on history, won't it?
Susan

Isn't that what Canada's for? Let's face it, the Brits have a long, long history of being anti-Israel and anti-Jew. We have enough of own in the good ole USA.

re: #151 Wishbone

LOL. It does get embarrassing sometimes with the 'snorters and greetin' over some of the things that gets reported in here concerning the UK but I will say that I'm jumping up and doon myself when I hear some of the patter of these UK muslim wideo's especially that Aamer Anwar eejit saying that "A Stealth bomber in Iraq is the moral equivalent of a suicide bomber in Scotland"

re: #108 Infidelsalwayswin

In reference to the Churchill thing: Nicholas Soames is incumbent MP for Mid Sussex. He's Churchill's grandson, and I dare say shares a lot of his qualities.

Unfortunately, he doesn't.

It has been suggested that Soames was the unnamed senior Conservative at the 2004 party conference who was quoted in The Guardian as allegedly saying that "the trouble is that the Tory party is being run by Michael Howard, Maurice Saatchi and Oliver Letwin, and none of them really know what it is to be English" ... The suggestion that these three men might not be acceptable as truly English could be interpreted as evidence of anti-Semitism, as Saatchi, Howard and Letwin are all of Jewish origin. (from Soames' Wikipedia entry)

Also known as Fat Boy Dim, a female friend of Soames famously said "Making love to Nicholas Soames feels like being toppled on by a wadrobe with the key still in the lock".

re: #85 rabid fanatic

#80 looking closely

Not sure I buy your argument. The wall in Israel had an amazing effect, homicide bombings dropped precipitously after the wall went up.

I don't buy the argument either.

The wall helps and has helped drastically in the places that it has been put up where very bad people were driving trucks through....and I want it up...yesterday!

re: #154 Sabraguy

Yeah the very little englander attitude.

I was all in favor of dialogue with Hitler when the British were having their fannies kicked. I mean, the Nazis just wanted dialogue-and to be understood.

re: #157 PeaceAtAllCosts

Fannies kicked ya bam?

We were fighting within a breadth of our lives and don't think we've forgot about that 60 years later. We know all about that, we fought alone with our backs against the wall, that doesn't mean we get forgot about.

Good will be said as bad...
and all will turn against my people......

/......no safety or surprise my friend....

Our government is drunk on its 'success' in northern Ireland. However, the peace there is only as a result of £8000 perh ead tax expenditure.

When that money runs out we will see just how successful the peace process has been.

You can buy but you have to pay off everyone who wants a slice of the pie. If they think they can find money to buy peace then fine... I just hope it isn't my money.

#138 Fernandez 8/13/2007 10:15:47 am PDT reply quote report

re: #19 SusanL

My heart breaks for Britain though. They are a proud people with much to be proud of. I just wonder where it all went wrong.

My guess..... right about the time political correctness was thought up.

This is a very odd story. The report is available in PDF or HTML and says much more than reported. In fact 96 pages of unreported much more.

It claims among other things that the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (think State Dept. US readers) denied the committee relevant information.

It claims:
that more money would have reduced the risk of violence;
the unnamed assassins of Harari should be brought to justice (Syria please note);
warns Turkey not to interfere in Iraq;
claims that Britain has an influence in the Middle East (R.O.L.);
provides a map of the Middle East that doesn't mention Palestine (!);
does not mention the word caliphate; ummah or sharia;
essentially ignores Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Libya, Yemen and the Gulf States.
Read the report. The devil is in the details!

It said Blair’s refusal as prime minister to call for an immediate ceasefire had done “significant damage to the UK’s reputation.”
********

Translation:

Blair refused to crawl on his belly to the pigs in the Middle East and now the terrorists and other muslim swine are mad.

What would it have done to Britain's reputation if Blair had called for a ceasefire and had been predictably ignored?

What makes our MP's think that people stop having wars because we ask them to?