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Tue, Aug 14, 2007 at 9:46:01 am PDT

The radical front group calling itself the Muslim Students Association has succeeded in getting another university to install special facilities for Islamic foot-washing: Muslim students to get footbaths at UBC.

Muslim University of B.C. student Hesham Alsalaman hopes the days of cleansing his feet in the small washroom hand basin near the university’s prayer room are numbered.

Alsalaman and other Muslim students use a prayer room in UBC’s Brock Hall up to five times a day. Before each prayer session they must perform an ablution ceremony in which they wash their hands, lower arms, face and feet. “Washing your feet in a high sink you end up splashing water around,” said Alsalaman, an engineering student from Saudi Arabia. “That can create a hazard and we’ve had complaints.”

As a result, the students’ association and the university plan to install footbaths in the men’s and women’s washrooms on the second floor of Brock Hall. “It’s no different from upgrading washrooms to accommodate transgender students or students with disabilities,” said UBC spokeswoman Janet Mee.

The plans stemmed from a consultation last December in which UBC asked students how to improve washroom facilities. “We approached [the Muslim students association] to ask them what their ablution needs were,” Mee said. “We included that in a project that we were working on around accessible, gender-inclusive family friendly washrooms.”

Alsalaman said his association and the university have a very good relationship that includes the creation of the prayer room and the installation of a lock to the room after a dark brown patch was discovered on the floor of the room late last year.

“The footbath installation will not be difficult and not cost very much,” Alsalaman said. “We are asking that it only be in the two washrooms near the prayer room. It’s not that big of a deal and is very important to us. We feel more welcome.

(Hat tip: WriterMom.)

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1 maddogg  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:47:50am

AHHH! No comment! as it would just be deleted!

2 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:48:16am
the installation of a lock to the room after a dark brown patch was discovered on the floor of the room late last year.

Added convenience for discussing Jihad and killing the kuffar...

3 bosforus  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:48:22am

so what are they going to do when they start to find any number of unholy materials in their footbaths?

4 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:49:14am

This thread should spike the delete o meter.

5 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:49:41am

*sigh*

6 mitthrawnurdo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:49:42am

A "dark brown patch" on the floor of the prayer room?

What could it be and why would it warrant a special lock for the prayer room?

7 bulwrk  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:50:08am

“It’s no different from upgrading washrooms to accommodate transgender students

Ahhh what.

8 meeshlr  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:50:54am

Since this is just part of "accessible, gender-inclusive family friendly washrooms," I would suggest a single unisex muslim washroom with a foot washing basin.

I'm sure that such open-minded university students wouldn't mind such an arrangement. Would they?

9 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:51:24am
10 bubbasbbq  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:51:47am

I would tell you exactly what I would do in that footbath, but it surely would be deleted. Better yet, I'd let my dogs do it for me.

11 kirche  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:52:03am

a friend of mine told me his uncle had a coworker who heard the story of who the guy was who put that brown patch there... it wasn't me, if that's what you're thinking...

12 Carol Herman  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:52:12am

re: #3 bosforus

so what are they going to do when they start to find any number of unholy materials in their footbaths?

Henry Miller's banned book opens with a scene in a whore house; in france. And, a GI who has NO IDEA what a bidet is. So, he craps into it. And, then complains that he "can't flush."

Lock and keys, or not; this "new" approach to Islam is insane. What were these freaks doing beforehand? Ah. They were standing in sinks. And, sinks were ripped from walls. There must have been lawsuits.

13 HBob  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:52:19am

Oops. I thought that was a urinal.

14 trailortrash  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:52:23am

re: #5 NY Nana

*sigh*

i agree...

15 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:52:23am

“It’s no different from upgrading washrooms to accommodate transgender students or students with disabilities,” said UBC spokeswoman Janet Mee.

How'd you like to be a fly on the wall when Mohammed runs into Cherry Surprize at the unisex washroom.

16 JustTanya  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:52:31am

OT sorta

Bill O'Reilly is discussing the muslim footbaths right now on the radio.

17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:52:33am

Footbath = urinal

18 mmurray821  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:52:44am

I bet it was a soda spill.

19 wtrwlkr  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:52:58am

i'm fine with it, as long as they issue complimentary korans in each of the stalls as a substitute for TP.

20 Doug  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:52:58am

PoMo trendy type: I demand a container with a cricifix inside permanently fixed on capmus in which I can urinate daily!

UBC: (smacks forehead) Holy Camel of Mecca! the grants we can get with that?! we'll get on it immediately!

21 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:52:59am

re: #9 Sharmuta

MSA- the missing co-conspirator.

All branches from the same terrorist tree of Islam...

22 Is it me?  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:52:59am

Considering how "welcoming" the Saudis are to everyone else his comment is odd to say the least. (better stop there I think)

The other students could go to the University heirarchy and demand that they build a multidenominational chapel (the bigger the better) so that the Christians at the University would feel "more welcome" then stand back and watch the resulting fireworks. Should be interesting - or Is it me?
Probably.

23 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:53:12am

If the muslim students want a PRIVATE prayer room and PRIVATE facilities, then they need to acquire a PRIVATE house with PRIVATE money and take care of it themselves.

As a taxpaying citizen, I'm outraged that tax dollars would go to provide any special facilities for any group or individual not dictated by law. "Religious accomodation" is not the same as the mandatory wheel-chair ramps that make attendance by the disabled possible.

24 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:53:27am

Are infidels allowed to wash their stinky feet in the basins?

25 Live4Truth  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:53:52am

Possible stupid question: Is "BC" British Columbia? And is that common knowledge?

26 sheik yer'mami  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:54:50am

'making them feel more welcome' is exactly what we don't want...

***

Dutch bishop urges faithful to call God ‘Allah’


[Link: sheikyermami.com...]

27 ctrlL  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:55:11am
accessible, gender-inclusive family friendly washrooms

For those of you sending your precious children off to college ...

Find out what they spend your tuition dollars on !

Amazing to look at the whole experience keeping the $$ in mind.

28 Max Darkside  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:55:23am

I don't dare comment about brown patches on the floor... (strain... ugh... I. Must. Not. Comment...) and bending over... (grrr... come on, hold back...) numerous times (arrr) per day.

Dang, I've gone and done it again. I really should be sensitive about their brown patches.

29 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:55:27am
30 spinoneone  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:55:47am

Well, I assume we're talking British Columbia here - so no First Amendment issues. Just the normal slide into dhimmitude. I mean, WTF, since when do supposedly "Western" universities build religious facilities for a single religion? And with government money, apparently. Where's the Catholic/Mormon/Methodist religious facility? Some where nearer downtown I bet; certainly not on campus.

31 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:56:18am

re: #21 Oh no...Sand People!

The brotherhood is everywhere. They could even be on a campus near you.

32 kirche  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:56:24am

#23 galloping

but who would be submitting to them then?

33 looking closely  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:56:33am

BC is the most liberal part of Canada, and that's saying something, I think.

34 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:56:33am

How about a room with shower nozzles placed overhead, along the walls, and even low on the floor aiming upwards. Co-ed, of course, so all people, not just Muslim, could walk through and clean off whenever they felt like it.


Before we entered the pool for our swimming test at RTC Great Lakes, we walked through a narrow room with shower nozzles, including nozzles mounted poitning straight up, to give a cleaning spray to the nether regions.


I learned to cross my legs and arms when dropping 15 feet into water, so the impact wouldn't drive my hands into my head and knock me unconcious. I also learned how denim pants can be made into a floatation aid, and the best way to conserve energy while floating.


No 'Officer and a Gentleman' type helo upside down dunk simulator in boot camp, however.

However, when I had to go to offshore survival school to work in the Gulf of Mexico, helping to keep America less dependent on Musselman oil, I did have to get dunked and inverted while blindfolded, and escape a submerged helo simulator. I didn't tighten my straps down enough, and whacked the sides pretty hard, leaving a big ol' bruise, but I got better, and was then certified to work offshore.

35 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:57:05am

Do Muslim golfers get their own special ballwashers?

36 RTLM  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:57:50am
“It’s no different from upgrading washrooms to accommodate transgender students or students with disabilities,” said UBC spokeswoman Janet Mee.

What kind of "disabilities"?

37 starbird  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:57:58am
said Alsalaman, an engineering student from Saudi Arabia

What is it with the engineering? I'm getting tired of these guys giving perfectly competent and patriotic (Canada and U.S.-loving) engineers a bad name!

38 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:58:25am

re: #23 galloping granny

If the muslim students want a PRIVATE prayer room and PRIVATE facilities, then they need to acquire a PRIVATE house with PRIVATE money and take care of it themselves.

As a taxpaying citizen, I'm outraged that tax dollars would go to provide any special facilities for any group or individual not dictated by law. "Religious accomodation" is not the same as the mandatory wheel-chair ramps that make attendance by the disabled possible.

At UT, they had off campus Catholic Student Associations, Baptist Student Associations, a Hillel House, etc. None on campus, and as far as I know, none.blically funded.

39 Max Darkside  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:58:38am

re: #35 JammieWearingFool

Do Muslim golfers get their own special ballwashers?

hahaaha...

(visions of caddie shack flood the brain)

40 southernborn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:58:57am

re: #26 sheik yer'mami
Who invited them in the first place?

41 jonturner  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:58:57am

Yet another reason to improve border security. Farewell, Canada. We hardly knew ye.

42 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:59:01am

re: #35 JammieWearingFool

Do Muslim golfers get their own special ballwashers?

You're not helping...

43 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:59:14am

Fancy spittoons.

44 dr. akim ullsheetbay  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:59:55am

i am afraid the 'british' dhimmi disease is spreading. ubc and windsor ontario seem to be hotspots.

45 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:00:23am

re: #38 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

re: #23 galloping granny

If the muslim students want a PRIVATE prayer room and PRIVATE facilities, then they need to acquire a PRIVATE house with PRIVATE money and take care of it themselves.

As a taxpaying citizen, I'm outraged that tax dollars would go to provide any special facilities for any group or individual not dictated by law. "Religious accomodation" is not the same as the mandatory wheel-chair ramps that make attendance by the disabled possible.

At UT, they had off campus Catholic Student Associations, Baptist Student Associations, a Hillel House, etc. None on campus, and as far as I know, none.blically funded.

Same at every single uni that I've ever attended or my kids have ever attended. Even the private unis and even the Ivies.

46 BulgarWheat  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:00:30am

#39 Max Darkside

Caddyshack, eh? The brown stain must have been a Baby Ruth bar then.

Whew! I thought we had an incident on our hands.

47 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:01:08am

re: #31 Sharmuta

re: #21 Oh no...Sand People!

The brotherhood is everywhere. They could even be on a campus near you.

I guarantee they were/are.

48 jcm  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:01:55am

My service pig needed a place to drink, why are discriminating against the disabled?

49 Bunker Buster  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:01:55am

Those would be PERFECT for washing up after butchering a hog! Or rinsing chit'lins...

50 credit man  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:02:25am

Footbaths?= Receptacles for dog turds.

51 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:02:55am

re: #49 Bunker Buster

Those would be PERFECT for washing up after butchering a hog! Or rinsing chit'lins...

Or opening a dog grooming service so as not to discriminate against those students who have pets...

52 BulgarWheat  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:04:06am

Someone mentioned it earlier about watching the deletes to follow on this particular thread.

This is clearly a Karl Rovian attempt to cull out the trolls and moby's from last nights new batch of hatchlings. It's gotta be...

"Karl Rove, you magnificent bastard!"

53 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:05:01am

Okay, so Muslims need to engage in ritual purification (wudu/ablution) before engaging in their prayers, which means they've got to do this five times a day.

If they want to pray, that's their business. If they want to purify themselves, that too is their business. No one else should be forced to pay for their religious obligations. These footbaths are being paid for with university fees - required payments. There is no choice in the matter for students.

54 Golem Akbar  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:06:24am

It’s not that big of a deal and is very important to us. We feel more welcome.”
Oh I'm sure the Jewish students can get their own mikveh (ritual bath) if they nicely ask BC authorities. (did I forget a sarc tag?)

55 oldguard  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:06:59am

Why can't they just use the deep sink in the janitor's closet?

56 looking closely  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:08:12am

re: #54 Golem Akbar

It’s not that big of a deal and is very important to us. We feel more welcome.”
Oh I'm sure the Jewish students can get their own mikveh (ritual bath) if they nicely ask BC authorities. (did I forget a sarc tag?)

If the Jewish students had to use it 5 times a day, and were creating a mess trying to bathe in public places, maybe they'd have a prayer of getting this.

57 cosmo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:08:34am

When asked about the "dark brown patch" a local canine who goes only by the name "Triumph" stated that the washroom floor seemed like a nice place "for me to poop on!"

58 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:09:30am

re: #51 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #49 Bunker Buster

Those would be PERFECT for washing up after butchering a hog! Or rinsing chit'lins...

Or opening a dog grooming service so as not to discriminate against those students who have pets...

HOLD ON! I just figured it out! Any Entreprenuers here want to join me in my M.M.A.S.:"Muhammad's Mobile Ablution Service"TM

Are you a Mo on the go? Are you stuck in Fatwa Friday Traffic? Worry no more, you can pray on the go with 'M.M.A.S.:"Muhammad's Mobile Ablution Service"TM! Just call, 1-800-Get-MMAS, we will drive to meet your needs anywhere! Our Van is stocked with all the amenities to get your prayer on. Aside from washing sinks, we have an assortment of prayer rugs to choose from! Osama Orange, and Habib Brown, are just 2 of our most popular colors! Then you can snack on the run with our selection of Halal approved foods!

Pray the Mo way with "Muhammad's Mobile Ablution Service"TM.

59 BulgarWheat  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:09:37am

#55 oldguard

Janitors sink ought to work just fine. My Mom raised 3 boys and had a wash tub in the basement where she'd dunk us to get the sand/mud/snow off of us before she could bring us in the house for a proper bath when we were little.

Little and active boys can get pretty messy.

Good point

60 Spiny Norman  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:11:00am

How long before wudu-equipped restrooms are made off-limits to non-Muslims?

61 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:11:38am

What's next? Private stalls for putting on explosive belts.

62 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:12:38am

RE: Muslim ballwashing

Brings to mind that creepy scene in Osama when the mullah describes the Koranically sanctioned way young boys should wash their balls.

/shudders

63 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:13:20am

re: #47 Oh no...Sand People!

If they're not, they will be.

64 snarfo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:13:27am

Too bad their daily hygiene only consists of sponge baths.

65 peck  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:14:41am

Sounds like foot washing is serious personal problem that should not require the rest of us to fix it for them, but if accommodation is an absolute MUST, how about a simple garden hose outside the door? They can bring their own towels. Not sure about those winter months in BC, but I'm sure a little creative thinking on the part of the infidels will bring a simple solution, since these students seem to be lacking in problem solving skills.
Wonder how those engineering grades are doing?

66 Lauraf  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:15:06am

#41 UBC isn't the first North American university to announce that it is doing this -- the University of Michigan at Dearborn beat them to this particular expression of dhimmitude.

67 N_Jones  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:16:18am

re: #30 spinoneone

Where's the Catholic/Mormon/Methodist religious facility?

If anyone were to suggest that Catholic/Morman/Methodist/Baptist were to need on-campus facilities everyone would be screaming separation of church and state however when the Muslims ask for anything it usually happens.

In my mind there can be only one reason. Catholics/Mormons/Methodists/Baptists don't blow stuff up when they don't get their way...

68 justamomof4  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:16:31am

Up until 9/11, requests for tolerance toward public prayer spectacles at airport terminals or on planes, performed by imams with an ulterior agenda, campus 'prayer rooms' and 'foot baths' were unheard of, primarily because there was no need for them in the western hemisphere. Prior to 9/11, muhammedans would simply board a plane and attend class just like everyone else.

I've asked this question on previous threads, and various blogs . . . but have yet to receive an answer. . . .

Is it common practice to find 'prayer rooms', 'foot baths', etc. in airports, universities, stadiums etc. in islamic communities of the middle east?

69 Sponge  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:17:02am

Every religion has it's place of worship.

WTF is up that these greedy demanding islhamics can't go to their friggin mosques when they want to do this crap? It is NOT MY PROBLEM that you have to do something as silly as pray 5 TIMES a DAY, but that's why we have TRANSPORTATION.

Instead of bitching and moaning about not being catered to, why don't you get your local mosque to start a BUSSING SYSTEM that will PICK YOU UP and TAKE YOU THERE for your 5 times. Those places are better equipped to your 'special needs'...we are NOT a muslham nation and really don't want to be when you get down to it. Go where you're wanted.

70 Austin Conservative  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:17:15am

How bout limiting the use of the sinks to wash hands only. Tough tatas if they want to wash something else. Let them go home to do that.

This is such utter bullshit. What were they doing years before this?

Go ahead BC, it's just another urinal to most other folks.

71 allah this  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:17:34am
...a dark brown patch was discovered on the floor of the room...

Just poop, i reckon.

72 Elmira Viking  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:18:20am

I suggest that they use this---> [Link: img.alibaba.com...]

as a work around.

73 skoot65  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:18:20am
Okay, so Muslims need to engage in ritual purification (wudu/ablution) before engaging in their prayers


Umm, isn't part of why they wash that they come in contact with unclean kufir? So students' required fees are being used so someone can wash off the 'cooties' they claim wafts from non-muslim (unclean) bodies?

My niece visiting from San Francisco told me yesterday that last year their High School class had a compulsory field trip to a Mosque. They made them do some Muslim ritual or another while they were there.

No word on when the field trip to the Catholic Church is scheduled. I rather suspect it will be a warm day in a cold place before that happens.

Why has western self-hatred gotten so bad recently?

74 Spiny Norman  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:20:23am

re: #23 galloping granny

As a taxpaying citizen, I'm outraged that tax dollars would go to provide any special facilities for any group or individual not dictated by law. "Religious accomodation" is not the same as the mandatory wheel-chair ramps that make attendance by the disabled possible.

Hmm...

Hey! You can't park there, it's for the handicapped.

I AM handcapped. I'm psychotic.

/obscure

75 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:20:31am

re: #71 allah this

...a dark brown patch was discovered on the floor of the room...

Just poop, i reckon.

Welcome to the Turd World...I am confident when I say we all like it here in the 1st world.

76 Max Darkside  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:20:56am

re: #62 Dirk Diggler

RE: Muslim ballwashing

Brings to mind that creepy scene in Osama when the mullah describes the Koranically sanctioned way young boys should wash their balls.

Three stones?

77 Spiny Norman  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:21:56am

re: #76 Max Darkside

re: #62 Dirk Diggler
RE: Muslim ballwashing

Brings to mind that creepy scene in Osama when the mullah describes the Koranically sanctioned way young boys should wash their balls.

Three stones?

That's for the "nether regions".

78 Lee  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:21:59am

(~p / p) alert:

It’s not that big of a deal and is very important to us.

WhaaaAAAH?!?!

/moe szyslak

79 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:23:35am

re: #69 Sponge

Every religion has it's place of worship.

WTF is up that these greedy demanding islhamics can't go to their friggin mosques when they want to do this crap? It is NOT MY PROBLEM that you have to do something as silly as pray 5 TIMES a DAY, but that's why we have TRANSPORTATION.

Instead of bitching and moaning about not being catered to, why don't you get your local mosque to start a BUSSING SYSTEM that will PICK YOU UP and TAKE YOU THERE for your 5 times. Those places are better equipped to your 'special needs'...we are NOT a muslham nation and really don't want to be when you get down to it. Go where you're wanted.

If they don't we can fill in that Niche! see post:

re: #58 Oh no...Sand People!

HOLD ON! I just figured it out! Any Entreprenuers here want to join me in my M.M.A.S.:"Muhammad's Mobile Ablution Service"TM

Are you a Mo on the go? Are you stuck in Fatwa Friday Traffic? Worry no more, you can pray on the go with 'M.M.A.S.:"Muhammad's Mobile Ablution Service"TM! Just call, 1-800-Get-MMAS, we will drive to meet your needs anywhere! Our Van is stocked with all the amenities to get your prayer on. Aside from washing sinks, we have an assortment of prayer rugs to choose from! Osama Orange, and Habib Brown, are just 2 of our most popular colors! Then you can snack on the run with our selection of Halal approved foods!

Pray the Mo way with "Muhammad's Mobile Ablution Service"TM.

80 Lee  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:23:35am

re: #78 Lee

(~p / p) alert:

That should be (~p /\ p)...

81 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:24:31am

Spiny Norman,

Hey! You can't park there, it's for the handicapped.
I AM handcapped. I'm psychotic.

Johnny Dangerously. You'll have to do better than that, you fargin icehole.

82 Russkilitlover  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:26:52am

To All Muslims Everywhere Who Are Concerned About the Availability of Foot Baths:

Costco currently has in stock a nifty foot bath and pedicure kit available for YOU to purchase at the low, low price of just $49.99. This will give YOU the convenience of a foot bath anytime, anywhere for YOUR ablutions.

The benefits are twofold: 1) YOU have the conveniece to dip YOUR tootsies (or whatever the @%$# you do with these things), and 2) YOU are not costing ME anything.

83 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:27:21am

...accessible, gender-inclusive family friendly washrooms.”

How many PC buzzwords can you fit into one sentence?

I'd like to know why all these requirements are popping up now. What did people do before now? We have 2 universities in my city, and lots of "international" students, and so we have a lot of Muslims here. It wasn't until AFTER 9/11 that I started seeing the headscarves, etc. The number of Muslims in town didn't change; what seems to have changes is that they began to feel more and more ENTITLED to special consideration. I don't care whether or not someone wears a headscarf; however, special wash facilities for Muslims so that they can pray is clearly wrong.

84 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:27:47am

re: #82 Russkilitlover

To All Muslims Everywhere Who Are Concerned About the Availability of Foot Baths:

Costco currently has in stock a nifty foot bath and pedicure kit available for YOU to purchase at the low, low price of just $49.99. This will give YOU the convenience of a foot bath anytime, anywhere for YOUR ablutions.

The benefits are twofold: 1) YOU have the conveniece to dip YOUR tootsies (or whatever the @%$# you do with these things), and 2) YOU are not costing ME anything.

And you are helping out the ZIONIST CAPITALIST overlords with each purchase!

85 Russkilitlover  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:30:43am

re: #84 Oh no...Sand People!


I just did the math - 6 Billion Muslims - that's a lot of foot baths. I'm thinking product spec and marketing as I write this...

86 Spiny Norman  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:32:27am

re: #81 Dirk Diggler

Spiny Norman,


Hey! You can't park there, it's for the handicapped.
I AM handcapped. I'm psychotic.

Johnny Dangerously. You'll have to do better than that, you fargin icehole.

You shouldn't swear at me, Dirk. My brother swore at me once... ONCE!

;^)

87 PeggyU  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:32:59am

Haven't these asshats ever heard of WetWipes?

88 Ma Sands  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:33:32am

re: #5 NY Nana

push...push...push...ad infinitum --that they don't get tired of it, or lose interest, speaks to whose fires are behind, underneath, and all around the whole thing...I am SO GLAD that creepy creation has to ask permission of God before it does ANYthing!

89 allah this  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:34:05am

re: #81 Dirk Diggler

Spiny Norman,


Hey! You can't park there, it's for the handicapped.
I AM handcapped. I'm psychotic.

Johnny Dangerously. You'll have to do better than that, you fargin icehole.

"It's an 88 Magnum. It shoots through schools." -Danny Vermin

/classic

90 Trent_Boyett  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:34:52am

Have they turned the toilets away from Mecca yet?

Most evil backwards cult I've ever heard of.

91 MrMom  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:37:29am

It's not what goes in one's mouth that makes one unclean, but that which comes out of it.

92 MrMom  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:39:47am

re: #72 Elmira Viking

I suggest that they use this---> [Link: img.alibaba.com...]

as a work around.

*snicker*

93 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:39:57am

re: #85 Russkilitlover

re: #84 Oh no...Sand People!


I just did the math - 6 Billion Muslims - that's a lot of foot baths. I'm thinking product spec and marketing as I write this...

Oh yeah...I'll convert the M.M.A.S. van to transport the baths, and we can upsale them on the convenience of your self contained footbath...

Imagine, all those dollars for oil and charity dollars from the U.S. that are funneled to terrorists which in turn come back to us...we will be rich!

94 Da Coyote  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:41:01am

I hope that the [bigoted word]s install piss detectors in the footbaths...'cuz they're gonna need 'em!

95 texaschick  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:41:04am

re: #7 bulwrk

What? Transgender bathroom accommodations? Foot baths? This is beyond crazy. Where the hell is the ACLU and why are they protecting us all from religion?

96 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:43:05am

re: #71 allah this

...a dark brown patch was discovered on the floor of the room...

Just poop, i reckon.

Oh no, you di'in't!

/lmao

97 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:44:32am

re: #95 texaschick

re: #7 bulwrk

What? Transgender bathroom accommodations? Foot baths? This is beyond crazy. Where the hell is the ACLU and why are they protecting us all from religion?

They are busy pushing to get the papers filed for CAIR and the papers required for the lawsuits necessary to sue the colleges and cities to install the footbaths here in U.S. on campuses and public parks and are working to change the OSHA code for buildings to include Male/Female/Transgendered/ and now Muslim toilets/prayerrooms in the code for all buildings so that those who follow Islam can pray whereever they are...

98 bunker buster  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:45:35am
Transgender bathroom accommodations?

What exactly does that mean, anyway? Wall urinals in the ladies' room?

99 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:45:40am

Thanks for the hat tip, Grand Poobah Lizard :)

100 so.cal.swede  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:57:34am

re: #98 bunker buster

Transgender bathroom accommodations?

What exactly does that mean, anyway? Wall urinals in the ladies' room?


That's what I was wondering...

besides, can't muslims use wall urinals as foot baths? then the accomodation for transgender and muslim would be the same... two birds.. etc.

101 yitzy  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:59:49am

I don't get it...I've got a dark brown patch on my pants, where they were torn once. Why do they need a lock?

102 DJM  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:04:08am

Just a reminder about these footbaths...

Anyone can use them. They are not just for Muslim students.

Afternoon prayer times can be found here:
http://www.islamicfinder.org/
Should all the footbaths be in use by infidels during those times, others will simply have to wait or find another way to wash feet.

Most bathrooms have no food restrictions. Washing your feet while eating a BLT would be incredibly convenient, as you could easily rinse hands in the process... (But please be considerate - don't leave bacon grease on the faucet handles)

103 willtay73  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:16:54am

I don't know if this has been posted but I have simple fix for the problem. Those Muslim students can go to there local Wal-Mart or Target and buy themselves a bucket. The take said bucket, fill it with water and wash your damn feet. Why do we have to change for the small minority?

104 Teufelhunde  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:22:39am

Can't they just carry wet-naps with them? At a minimum, carrying wet-naps in the campus store would be an additional source of revenue for them. It's more sanitary too.

105 opnion  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:23:57am

Ya know it is not a virtue to accomodate an intolerant group.
Only the Left would think that tolerance of intolereance is a good thing

106 HBob  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:29:07am

re: #102 DJM

Just a reminder about these footbaths...

Anyone can use them. They are not just for Muslim students.

Afternoon prayer times can be found here:
http://www.islamicfinder.org/
Should all the footbaths be in use by infidels during those times, others will simply have to wait or find another way to wash feet.

Most bathrooms have no food restrictions. Washing your feet while eating a BLT would be incredibly convenient, as you could easily rinse hands in the process... (But please be considerate - don't leave bacon grease on the faucet handles)

My thoughts exactly. Go wash your feet, you flip-flop wearing infidels and let us know if anyone tries to stop you. If you are hindered in the desire to wash your feet - SUE THE BASTARD WHO SAYS YOU'RE NOT WELCOME! The rules have been set, so let the games begin!

107 Hard Right  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:32:42am

re: #15 Peacekeeper

“It’s no different from upgrading washrooms to accommodate transgender students or students with disabilities,” said UBC spokeswoman Janet Mee.

How'd you like to be a fly on the wall when Mohammed runs into Cherry Surprize at the unisex washroom.

(emphasis on the Surprise) I'd love to have a video camera for that meeting!

108 spritz  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:33:25am

Gee, makes me wonder whether tossing a Qur'an into the foot-bath will be an offensive act or something.

109 markie  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:37:01am

As a wise man once said:

"This is not an outrage, it is an opportunity."

110 Josephine  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:02:49pm

re: #3 bosforus

so what are they going to do when they start to find any number of unholy materials in their footbaths?

Put locks on those. Install security cameras. Make sure they are no-go areas for non-Muslims, just like the prayer room.

111 peck  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:03:50pm

re: #104 Teufelhunde

I think wet naps contain alcohol, if I am not mistaken. Definitely a no-no. Nice try though.

112 Viper1  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:04:58pm

Looks like a good place for a pig roast..

113 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:10:13pm

The first line says it all.

Muslim University of B.C..

Not Muslim Student at University of BC.

Freudian slip?
Or have they already changed the name to reflect their obedience to their new masters.

114 cosmo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:15:38pm

#102, #106, #107:

I say we put a call out to transgendered homosexual bacon-eating dirty foot-having individuals and PAY them to use the "washroom facilities."

I'd pay just to watch some radical islamijihadihat's head explode a la the black KKK'er on Chappelle's Show. Classic.

By the way, speaking of ritual washing, be glad you don't live in this town. Note that the Latin root of "Lavacolla" is "wash the scrotum."

Can't wait to see the name of the city of Vancouver changed to the Arabic equivalent of "Clean Twig and Berries."

115 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:21:55pm

...and our esteemed dumber than a fence poster Sura 109 is worried about the dreaded Hindu.

Pharyngula tells of another religious assault on education.
But it's not the Falwellistas this time. It's Hindutva types

From the article:


Conservative religious groups are once again making grade school textbooks the battleground. In California, supremacists and revisionists are trying to make radical changes to kids' textbooks, inserting propaganda and absurd assertions that are not supported in any way by legitimate scholars. The primary effort is to mangle history, but they're also trying to make ridiculous claims about scientific issues.

Such as that civilization started 111.5 trillion years ago, and that people flew to the moon and set off atomic bombs thousands of years ago.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

YOU CAN NOT MAKE THIS SHIT UP!

So you see friends, the threat is not a Religion of Peace that practices beheading, child abuse, sexual abuse, slavery, mass murder, yada yada ydada.

Nope.
The left is afraid of the Hindutva.
But we are supposed to seriously debate these fence posts.

116 Krampus  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:30:02pm
“Washing your feet in a high sink you end up splashing water around,” said Alsalaman, an engineering student from Saudi Arabia. “That can create a hazard and we’ve had complaints.”

In other words... 'If you don't installed the foot-sinks, we'll keep-on making hazards'. That's kinda sounds like a threat.

117 RememberSekhmet?  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:34:04pm

I'm not all that bothered about a footbath. I hate bent sink pipes and wet floors as much as anybody, and I don't blame Muslim students for not wishing to test the limits of their hip joints bathing feet in the sink. Limiting the footbaths to a restroom nearest a room actually used for prayer I don't mind, as long as other religious groups have equal access.

The thing to object to is the lock on the prayer room door. The brown spot is most likely a product of the campus-area homeless population. The solution, given all the student IDs with magnetic stripes nowadays, is to have a badge-swiper at the entrance to the room, not a lock on the door. Prayer rooms are for everybody, not just Muslims.

118 SpartanWoman  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:38:11pm

re: #117 RememberSekhmet?

I'm not all that bothered about a footbath. I hate bent sink pipes and wet floors as much as anybody, and I don't blame Muslim students for not wishing to test the limits of their hip joints bathing feet in the sink. Limiting the footbaths to a restroom nearest a room actually used for prayer I don't mind, as long as other religious groups have equal access.

The thing to object to is the lock on the prayer room door. The brown spot is most likely a product of the campus-area homeless population. The solution, given all the student IDs with magnetic stripes nowadays, is to have a badge-swiper at the entrance to the room, not a lock on the door. Prayer rooms are for everybody, not just Muslims.


No. I get the distinct impression that inclusiveness is not the idea here.

119 RememberSekhmet?  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:46:20pm

re: #118 SpartanWoman

No. I get the distinct impression that inclusiveness is not the idea here.

By all means, I agree here. I think the MSA on campus is trying to glom the prayer room here, and is using the brown spot as an excuse. I just think the energy in objecting is wasted on footbaths, even though it is often a first step. The objections should come from attempts (like the lock) to exclude members of other faiths from a supposedly nondenominational prayer room.

120 shimra  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:19:45pm

When I was in college (FIT) you think Jews ever got a break? I went to school in New York City and they never offered kosher food, plus the teachers (especially the Jewish ones) would threaten to fail you if you took off for Jewish holidays. Finally in my last year of college they offered an $8 kosher turkey sandwich. 8 fucking bucks for a turkey sandwich.

There wasn't a Hillel at FIT just a pathetic excuse for a "Jewish club". I remember that one of the members (a secular Israeli) asked to change the name from the Jewish Club to something else. I said to what? If you're that embarrassed to be a Jew then why the hell are you here?

Being that I went to a fashion school most of the men were gay of course. And a good number of them were Arabs from Middle Eastern countries running away from their oppressive families. I thought they were pretty brave. I had no idea how bad the anti Jewish sentiment in the MidEast was until I talked to these guys. I only read MSM stuff at that time so what did I know?

121 mungagungadin  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:23:41pm

I say Mormons ask for equal time and opportunity.

122 mungagungadin  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:32:14pm

What always gets me about ablutions in general is that they seem to be relatively worthless. How many people have stinky feet, in a way that they can't prevent the scent from wafting? And how many people from other nations have stinky ARM PITS or... worse parts? WHY focus on the feet (washing them three times, no less) when the rest of the body is left to fester?

I want to make a new rule, that anyone who washes their feet to pray, has to at LEAST have washed the stinky parts that same day.

How practical is that?

123 potatoes omelette  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:58:02pm

Nothing some spare fungus spores can not fix.

124 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:01:02pm
“It’s no different from upgrading washrooms to accommodate transgender students or students with disabilities,” said UBC spokeswoman Janet Mee.

Congrats, Janet Mee. You win today's edition of SPOT THE IDIOT.

So, what is the primary difference here? Accommodations made to the handicapped and (gag) trans-gendered students are in place so that they can (drum-roll please)... use the bathroom to actually go to the toilet! That's a far cry from spending student money to alter bathrooms so that religious rituals can be performed (and religious ritual is the only purpose for these foot baths).

Whatever happened to the liberal love of total separation of church and state? I guess that takes a backseat when it comes to suicidal multiculturalism.

125 Simon Jester  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:03:50pm

honestly, this doesn't seem like such a big deal. I mean, if it's a facility that many practicing Muslim students use several times a day then really, separation of Mosque/state aside, this seems innocuous.

that being said, it seems like the sort of thing i'd be likely to use as a urinal if its closer than the real urinals to the door, so footwashers beware!

126 NeoKong  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:53:36pm

Why can't they wash their feet in the toilet?

As a result, the students’ association and the university plan to install footbaths in the men’s and women’s washrooms on the second floor of Brock Hall. “It’s no different from upgrading washrooms to accommodate transgender students or students with disabilities,” said UBC spokeswoman Janet Mee.

That quote really offend me.

127 Russkilitlover  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 3:07:15pm

re: #93 Oh no...Sand People!


Bwahaaa! Bring on the moola.

128 teufelhunde  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:05:10pm

re: #109 markie

Muslims can't use any alcohol, even isopropyl? Ghey.

129 Grumpy Tory Student  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:51:03pm

Re #25:

Yes. In Vancouver. In Canada. It's one of the most perfect universities in the world (aesthetically, academically, whatever). And I say that as a completely biased soon-to-be UBC law student.

For what it's worth, while UBC does have its fair share of nutters, it happens to be (and you have to take my word on this) an inherently more conservative university than any of the other major universities in the province. As far as I can figure, because it's so competitive (#31 in the world, above LSE, NYU, UPenn, Zurich, etc.), people tend to be a little more respectful of smarts and hard work and the like.

Also, re the transgender thing, this may be apocryphal (I only heard it second hand and haven't yet attended UBC), but I heard that they 86ed a handicapped washroom in the SUB and (maybe?) other buildings to make room for the transgendered ones.

130 Ban Draoi  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:18:25pm

How many piles of dog doo will this thing attract?

131 hurricane567  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:55:25pm

I got yer footbath right here, imported from Japan.
"Why does Koji keep laughing at me while i wash my feet?"-Abdul

132 ex cathedra  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 1:13:07am

re: #129 Grumpy Tory Student

For what it's worth, while UBC does have its fair share of nutters, it happens to be (and you have to take my word on this) an inherently more conservative university than any of the other major universities in the province.

...

Also, re the transgender thing, this may be apocryphal (I only heard it second hand and haven't yet attended UBC), but I heard that they 86ed a handicapped washroom in the SUB and (maybe?) other buildings to make room for the transgendered ones.

1. I believe that. I know a couple of people who teach there.

2. I wonder what symbol they are going to use (are using) for a transgender restroom?

133 TheMole  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 3:55:19am

#129 Grumpy Tory Student

For what it's worth, while UBC does have its fair share of nutters, it happens to be (and you have to take my word on this) an inherently more conservative university than any of the other major universities in the province.

I was a student at Simon Fraser and an employee at UBC. I don't agree with you. You're going to find out that at UBC there are two acceptable political stances -- left and farther left. Your only consolation will be that the only other law school is UVic, which is probably even worse. Best of lizard luck.


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