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NYT Bias Graphically Illustrated

Tue, Aug 14, 2007 at 11:31:44 am PDT

Someone at the New York Times contributed the following edit to the Wikipedia page for “George W. Bush:” Wikipedia scanner results.

UPDATE at 8/14/07 11:50:54 am:

Just to verify, here’s a WHOIS lookup on the IP: 199.181.174.146.

UPDATE at 8/14/07 2:44:37 pm:

Auspundits has another gem of an edit, also by someone at the New York Times, in which they changed a description of Tom Delay from “a prominent member of the Republican Party” to “a Grand Dragon of the Republican Party.”

UPDATE at 8/14/07 2:47:27 pm:

Someone at the New York Times has also been editing the Wall Street Journal’s Wikipedia page: Riehl World View: New York Times Editing WSJ’s Wiki?

UPDATE at 8/14/07 2:53:03 pm:

Allahpundit discovered a Democratic Party IP that was apparently used to vandalize a page about Rush Limbaugh.

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1 me  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:32:31am

lol

2 GregInSeattle  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:32:49am

The MSM is crazily anti-Bush. Bill Plant's outburst yesterday was unbelieveable to me.

3 NoSubmission  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:33:20am

I hate the NYTimes.

4 me  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:34:19am

re: #3 NoSubmission

I hate the NYTimes.


me 2

5 Utah Chris  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:34:27am

I've just contributed to the NYT's article....

Recycle Bin
Recycle Bin
Recycle Bin
Recycle Bin
Recycle Bin
Recycle Bin
Recycle Bin
Recycle Bin
Recycle Bin
Recycle Bin

I wonder if it made a difference?

6 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:35:11am

Was it Maureen Dowd, after too many jello shots?

7 trailortrash  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:35:44am

LOL # 6

8 Hannibal Smith  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:35:48am

Not exactly insightful commentary, even for the NYT. Has the BDS eaten away at them this badly?

9 Black George Bush  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:36:33am

Got BDS?

10 Cobra  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:36:42am

Childish little fuckers, aint they?

11 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:36:49am

How articulate and mature!
/sarc in case it isn't obvious

12 Utah Chris  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:36:59am

On second thought -

Hamster Cage
Hamster Cage
Hamster Cage
Hamster Cage
Hamster Cage
Hamster Cage
Hamster Cage
Hamster Cage
Hamster Cage
Hamster Cage

The hamster wheel is really turning now...

13 opnion  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:37:52am

Libs are so childish.
I have noticed that all Libs in my family have parental issues and transfer their angst to the government .

14 jcm  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:38:06am

My bird had constipation, the vet told me to quit using the NYT.

15 mikefln  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:38:25am

This will just make watching them become a weekly freebie rag all the sweeter.

16 miamitech  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:38:48am

re: #14 jcm

now thats funny

17 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:38:55am

Editing quite a few right-wing talk radio stations in Oklahoma too.

18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:39:13am

+ jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk

Gee, someone likes Bush a bit too much. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

19 Pickle  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:39:40am

Probably an account manager from the advertising department. I hear they have a lot of time on their hands, these days.

20 licdiv2  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:40:12am

Further proof of the existence of the truly intellectually challenged.

21 jcm  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:40:13am

Just a knee jerk response.

22 Golem Akbar  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:40:17am

Oh, well that really makes Wikipedia more important, then.
(all kidding aside, it does make Wikipedia more readable, in a Mad Magazine kind of way)

23 turn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:40:24am

NYT has:

+ BDS BDS BDS BDS BDS BDS BDS BDS BDS

24 Cobra  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:40:24am

re: #14 jcm

My bird had constipation, the vet told me to quit using the NYT.

LOL
Henny Youngman is alive and well.

25 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:41:03am

re: #14 jcm

My bird had constipation, the vet told me to quit using the NYT.

Yeah. It insulted the bird's anus.

26 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:41:04am

So, once again, the NYT has someone working for them who has way too much time on their hands doing this kind of stuff, and not enough folks checking to make sure that the stories in their paper are fact checked and accurate.

Priorities folks. Gotta keep your priorities straight. GWB=evil /pinch

27 insanity police  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:41:07am

Who is a jerk? The person adding to the wiki page if you ask me. Our President is much nicer than the moonbats who attack him.

28 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:41:37am

Pardon this ignorant questions, but how can you tell it's from the NYT. I believe Charles when he says it does, but I'm interested in learning.

29 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:41:39am

Hey, Old Grey Lady, hear that sound? Listen closely...its the sound of credibility going down the toilet.

Nice work.

30 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:41:53am

I still bet a couple of decades and many fifths of scotch ago, Maureen Dowd was probably a major league hottie.

31 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:42:40am

Is this a battle in the Internet War?

32 RTLM  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:42:51am

NYT Stock, circulation:
Down
Down
Down
Down
Down
/

33 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:42:52am

WTH? They hit every station in Oklahoma, or what? Seriously- TV, radio.

/I'm guessing this is someone from Oklahoma..... You guys have anyone like that over there, nyt?

34 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:43:12am

re: #31 MandyManners

Yes.

35 jcm  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:43:26am

It's probably in the NYT graphics dept. style guide, for images of GWB insert into the meta tag the text string, jerk, jerk.... jerk.

36 insanity police  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:43:35am

re: #30 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

I still bet a couple of decades and many fifths of scotch ago, Maureen Dowd was probably a major league hottie.

Her flabby arms are worse than Hillary's kankles.

/I'm a jerk too.

37 Sifty  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:43:36am

My conure is on strike for better shitting conditions.

He refuses to squat on the NYT because he says he might accidentally read the coMoDo Dragon Lady.

38 Pullus Iulius  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:43:54am

I just checked the headlines, and there really is news today. If the folks at The Newspaper Of Record are so easily distracted, then I think we'll only have to bring out the bright colors and flashing lights, and our victory over the MSM will be complete.

39 Cobra  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:44:12am

re: #28 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Pardon this ignorant questions, but how can you tell it's from the NYT. I believe Charles when he says it does, but I'm interested in learning.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

40 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:44:27am

re: #38 Pullus Iulius

Real news you say? We decide what the news is! /NYT

41 kutabeach  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:44:30am

Possibly the best analysis from the NYT in the last few years

/which isn't saying much

42 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:44:35am

re: #28 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

You can track the records of which IP addresses submitted changes to the page, then back track thru the routing tables and other records to see who has registered that IP.

43 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:44:54am

re: #36 insanity police


ew

44 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:45:06am

I'd hate to see what's scratched on the walls of the bathroom stalls at the NYT.

45 Render  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:45:14am

Busted, busted, busted, busted, busted...

GOT
THE
PICTURE?,
R

46 jcm  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:46:21am

re: #44 Ward Cleaver

I'd hate to see what's scratched on the walls of the bathroom stalls at the NYT.

For a good time call pinch at ext. 1234

47 3 wood  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:46:45am

re: #30 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

I still bet a couple of decades and many fifths of scotch ago, Maureen Dowd was probably a major league hottie.

She will always be ugly in my eyes.

48 turn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:47:07am

re: #44 Ward Cleaver

I'd hate to see what's scratched on the walls of the bathroom stalls at the NYT.

"Pinch" it off ...

49 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:47:34am
50 Stormy  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:48:00am

re: #28 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Pardon this ignorant questions, but how can you tell it's from the NYT. I believe Charles when he says it does, but I'm interested in learning.

You can use a site like dnsstuff.com to do a whois:

OrgName: The New York Times
OrgID: NYT-1
Address: 229 West 43rd Street
City: New York
StateProv: NY
PostalCode: 10036
Country: US

NetRange: 199.181.172.0 - 199.181.175.255
CIDR: 199.181.172.0/22
NetName: NYT
NetHandle: NET-199-181-172-0-1
Parent: NET-199-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1T.NYTIMES.COM
NameServer: NYDNS1.ABOUT.COM
NameServer: NYDNS2.ABOUT.COM
Comment:
RegDate: 1994-03-30
Updated: 2006-07-10

RTechHandle: GSE13-ARIN
RTechName: Sebel, Gary
RTechPhone: +1-646-698-8212
RTechEmail: *****@nytimes.com

OrgTechHandle: GSE13-ARIN
OrgTechName: Sebel, Gary
OrgTechPhone: +1-646-698-8212
OrgTechEmail: *****@nytimes.com

Simple as that!

51 Stormy  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:48:30am

oops, sorry about showing the phone numbers... did a cut and paste without chopping those out.

52 insanity police  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:49:46am

re: #43 Leonidas Hoplite

Yucky, but true. Those things hang like nothing I've ever seen. It does make sense that her ugly and offensive articles are typed by the fingers on her ugly and offensive arms.

53 Iron Fist  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:50:33am

This is the kind of insightful commentary that having professional editors can produce. Those of us amatures who lack such oversight respond with:

Fuck you, motherfucker.

Much more insightful, don't you think?

:-)

54 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:50:35am
55 Bill Amos  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:51:24am

Also from that Wiki site someone from NY TIMES edited this in

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The Vulcans is a nickname used to refer to Presidential candidate George W. Bush's neoconservative foreign policy advisory team assembled to brief him prior to the 2000 U.S. Presidential Election. The Vulcans were Paul Wolfowitz, Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell, Richard Perle and others. After the election, the Vulcans were all placed in powerful positions within the Bush Administration.

56 Cobra  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:51:35am

re: #53 Iron Fist

Works for me!

57 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:51:35am

re: #6 Ward Cleaver

Was it Maureen Dowd, after too many jello shots?

She striked me as a 20/20 in a brown bag type.

58 Spider Mensch  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:51:56am

re: #30 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

I still bet a couple of decades and many fifths of scotch ago, Maureen Dowd was probably a major league hottie.

would that be her drinking or yours Ed?

59 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:52:06am

re: #50 Stormy

re: #28 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


Pardon this ignorant questions, but how can you tell it's from the NYT. I believe Charles when he says it does, but I'm interested in learning.

You can use a site like dnsstuff.com to do a whois:

OrgName: The New York Times
OrgID: NYT-1
Address: 229 West 43rd Street
City: New York
StateProv: NY
PostalCode: 10036
Country: US

NetRange: 199.181.172.0 - 199.181.175.255
CIDR: 199.181.172.0/22
NetName: NYT
NetHandle: NET-199-181-172-0-1
Parent: NET-199-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1T.NYTIMES.COM
NameServer: NYDNS1.ABOUT.COM
NameServer: NYDNS2.ABOUT.COM
Comment:
RegDate: 1994-03-30
Updated: 2006-07-10

RTechHandle: GSE13-ARIN
RTechName: Sebel, Gary
RTechPhone: +1-646-698-8212
RTechEmail: *****@nytimes.com

OrgTechHandle: GSE13-ARIN
OrgTechName: Sebel, Gary
OrgTechPhone: +1-646-698-8212
OrgTechEmail: *****@nytimes.com

Simple as that!


Yeah, simple as that!

60 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:52:06am
EMSP:I still bet a couple of decades and many fifths of scotch ago, Maureen Dowd was probably a major league hottie.

3wood:She will always be ugly in my eyes.

Agreed. Bitter narcissistic harridans are not particularly attractive.

MoDo is definitely business class.

61 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:52:18am

re: #28 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

You can look up the IP here

62 ZionistYoungster  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:52:20am

OT, linkage: two links from Stalinist website Common Dreams:

From the "Don't question their patriotism" department: The Cult of 9/11, by Paul Campos. Excerpties:

[...] in the keen disappointment that ripples throughout the right-wing blogosphere every time the collapse of a bridge or a steam pipe explosion turns out not to have been the work of Scary Brown People Who Hate Our Freedoms [...]

Trust the Leftscum to turn everything into a race issue.

First, in the weeks immediately following 9/11, a lot of people said and did a great many ridiculous things. [...]

Yes, you can find a lot of those ridiculous things in the archives of Common Dreams, where you see how, right after 9/11, lefty writers issued calls for appeasement of the Muslims from the get-go.

Second link: Crisis, by the Attn-Whore herself. In case you're wondering why I should care what Cindy Shaheen says--I'm bringing this as a documentation of her anti-Israel sentiment:

However, emergency CPR needs to flow to Jordan and Syria immediately to help the Iraqi people and the two mentioned countries. Significantly, both countries also have vast populations of Palestinian refugees that has now become a generational problem. Solving the problems in Israel will help the Palestinian refugees who want the right of return to their homes as well as help solving our own "terrorism" problem at home. This is also an issue that needs to be pressed and exposed back in the states. [Emphasis mine. --ZY]

Remember when she said, "You'll get the US out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine and then we'll have peace!" Now we can see, despite her denials, that she hasn't changed that stance.

In case it isn't clear to our lefty friends: calling for application of the "Palestinian Right of Return" is inherently anti-Jewish, because it would mean the destruction of the only Jewish state in the world (God forbid). Whenever I learn of somebody that he supports the ROR, I file him either in the "Nazi" (if Muslim) or in the "Nazi-sympathizer" (if non-Muslim) rubric.

63 jcm  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:52:31am

re: #51 Stormy

oops, sorry about showing the phone numbers... did a cut and paste without chopping those out.

Public Info, don't think Stinky gets out the stick for that.

64 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:53:14am

Thanks to all who responded to me question.

65 GregInSeattle  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:53:39am

"If he's so smart, why did you lose congress!?!"

/Channeling the MSM

66 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:53:40am
67 Iron Fist  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:54:21am

re: #60 Dirk Diggler,

Depends on the business, I guess, but I wouldn't spend $25 on her.

68 Bill Amos  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:54:42am

Woahhhhhh Someone from the NY TIMES is editing hezbollah stuff and Islam online stuff

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I found concern reading the daily star quote in reference 75, and so followed this reference to a supposed article posted on a third party site. I had no reason to question the contents of this article, however reference 76 makes claims which are currently not verifiable by the reference link. If somebody could kindly research this, as I will attempt to do myself as well, it would be appreciated. I think this particular quote is important to the understanding of the Hezzbollah ideology, especially in that it seemingly contradicts the well documented notion of theirs that they are executing defensive Jihad. Please help me shed some light on this topic.


[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

This article is part of the WikiProject Islam, an attempt to build a comprehensive guide to Islam on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit this article, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion. If you are new to editing Wikipedia visit the welcome page so as to become familiar with the guidelines.

69 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:55:06am
70 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:55:18am

This guy from CalTech has no idea how many countless hours of amusement he will bring to us, and the endless humilation the moonbats will suffer.

71 xtraBilly  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:55:19am

+ jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk

The Jerk store called and they've run out of you.
from The Comeback

72 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:56:16am

Charles, can we get a ruling on this? I was under the impression that personal/private numbers were strictly off limits for understandable reasons, but are business/offical numbers which are meant for contact purposes and a matter of public record OK to post? The question has come up a few times recently. Thank you.

73 doppelganglander  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:56:21am

There is no adult supervision on the left.

74 Charles  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:56:58am

In this case, since the phone numbers are in a WHOIS lookup, I'll let them remain. But thank you for being aware that it's not usually OK.

75 ronaldusmagnus  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:57:06am

I read through the entire current wiki on Bush.

It is largely critical and goes to great lengths to make sure the reader knows every negative thing about him, both personally and politically.

Gee - wonder if the entire wiki entry was written by NYT.

76 Bill Amos  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:57:19am

Bwaaaahhhhhhahhahhahahah

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Old

Many readers believe that the ”Times” hard news and soft news reportage have a consistent and pronounced American liberalism liberal slant, particularly on social issues. A 2005 study by Tim Groseclose and Jeffrey Milyo of media coverage over the past ten years ranked the ”New York Times” as the third most liberal of twenty major media outlets ranked by Americans for Democratic Action's guidelines for lawmakers' votes on selected issues of importance to liberals.

new

Some conservatives believe that ”The Times” has a liberal slant, particularly on social issues. A 2005 study by Tim Groseclose and Jeffrey Milyo of media coverage over the past ten years ranked the ”New York Times” as the third most liberal of twenty major media outlets ranked by Americans for Democratic Action's guidelines for lawmakers' votes on selected issues of importance to liberals.{Fact}

77 insanity police  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:57:51am

Someone should add to Markos' wiki page: Famous for the hypothesis that the Iraq was caused a bridge to collapse in Minnesota.

Also known for his personal slogan: "Don't ask, you already know."

78 g3n3r1c  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:58:47am

re: #61 Killgore Trout

re: #28 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

You can look up the IP here

this works as well

79 3 wood  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:59:17am

By the way, NYT stock prices just dipped below their previous 52 week low.

Could not happen to a more deserving bunch.

80 Charles  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:59:36am

Kragar: it isn't always possible to differentiate between public and private numbers so clearly. The easiest way to make sure is to simply not allow phone numbers.

The WHOIS is a bit different, since that IP address is the whole point of this post.

81 loppyd  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:59:51am
+ jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk

How profound.

82 WhIteSidE  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:00:20pm

re: #51 Stormy

oops, sorry about showing the phone numbers... did a cut and paste without chopping those out.

They're just DNS records.

I really like Wikipedia in a lot of ways, but recently I have pretty much given up on topics in current affairs (including climate stuff) and the history entries need to be taken with a serious grain of salt.

My question is: Who is editing the Little Green Footballs page?

83 loppyd  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:00:41pm

re: #71 xtraBilly

Can't go to a gathering where they serve shrimp w/o that line
being said....

84 Bill Amos  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:00:47pm

Utt Ooooh Here is the NY Times changing a controversial story.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

old

an earlier similar case, in late 2001 ”Times” reporters (including Judith Miller (journalist) Judith Miller] learned that federal agents would soon raid the Holyland Relief Foundation and the Global Relief Foundation freeze their assets. The two foundations were noted conduits for funding various Arab terrorist organizations operating in Israel. Despite the obvious sensitivity of this information, the ”Times” first tipped off the foundations that they were soon to be raided and impounded, then published articles with this information. Naturally, when the federal agents arrived the next day, much important information had already been obscured. A grand jury was convened to consider an indictment against the leakers. When the grand jury called upon the ”Times” to reveal its sources, the ”Times” refused to do so. After many letters were exchanged debating the issue, the ”Times” received a declaratory judgment prohibiting the grand jury from subpoenaing the ”Times” phone records. That decision was recently [allowing the government to obtain the records.

new

an earlier similar case, in late 2001 Times reporters (including [[Judith Miller]]) were leaked information about government actions against the [[Holy Land Foundation]] and the [[Global Relief Foundation]], two Islamic Charities suspected of funding terrorist organizations. In the course of their reporting, The Times reporters sought comment from the charities; the government had already frozen the assets of other similar charities, and the fact that additional government action was about to be taken had been widely reported. A [[grand jury]] was convened in Illinois to consider an indictment against the leakers. The Times did not cooperate with the prosecutor’s request for the reporters to identify their confidential sources. When the government said it would subpoena the telephone companies for the phone records of the reporters to help identify their sources, The Times sought an injunction preventing the prosecutor from obtaining and reviewing the records. The Federal District Court in New York agreed with The Times on the basis of a [[First Amendment]] and [[common law]] reporters’ privilege, and barred the government from seeing the records. However, that decision was recently reversed by the [[U.S. Court of Appeals]], allowing the government to obtain the records.

85 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:00:56pm

re: #80 Charles

Noted. Thanks Charles.

86 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:02:25pm

What a terrific tool this Wikipedia scanner is.
You can run but you can't hide, saboteurs, goebbelists, and dhimmis.

87 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:02:45pm
88 mrsoc  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:04:15pm

re: #53 Iron Fist

This is the kind of insightful commentary that having professional editors can produce. Those of us amatures who lack such oversight respond with:

Fuck you, motherfucker.

Much more insightful, don't you think?

:-)

It certainly is pithy.

89 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:05:23pm

Actually,

That wiki contribution was the 2nd Chapter in the NYT's Book on Masturbation

90 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:05:57pm

re: #84 Bill Amos

story changed from:

The two foundations were noted conduits for funding various Arab terrorist organizations operating in Israel. Despite the obvious sensitivity of this information, the ”Times” first tipped off the foundations that they were soon to be raided and impounded, then published articles with this information.

to:

The Times reporters sought comment from the charities; the government had already frozen the assets of other similar charities, and the fact that additional government action was about to be taken had been widely reported.

Interesting change. I've been under the impression all this time that the first version is the more accurate one.

91 Dartmouth  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:06:08pm

BUSTED, BUT THE MSM SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THIS. Spread like wildfire, I tell you!

92 Bunker Buster  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:06:13pm

re: #18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

+ jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk

Gee, someone likes Bush a bit too much. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

You owe me a new monitor!
ROFLOL!

93 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:07:27pm

re: #84 Bill Amos

Check out this from KurdPlanetWiki:

This IP appears to be owned by The New York Times, a major publication.

See a reverse IP lookup here: [Link: ws.arin.net...]


...

Please do not add nonsense to kurdplanet Wiki, as you did to Tom DeLay. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. NawlinWiki 20:20, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

This is your last warning.
The next time you vandalize a page, as you did to Tom DeLay, you will be blocked from editing kurdplanet Wiki. NawlinWiki 20:30, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

94 DocDublU  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:07:43pm

the banned PBS documentary Islam vs. Islamists will air tonite in Phoenix as part of a deal PBS Portland made with the directors. 10 pm KAET Ch. 8. discussion panel to follow. this is not being released nation wide but rather in a few select markets. per their program guide;

A documentary about moderate Muslims in North America and Western Europe who, when they speak out against fundamentalist Muslims, meet resistance from others in their faith

95 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:07:52pm
96 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:07:54pm

Internet tracks are so fun to watch.

The NY times biased? Say it isn't so!

97 Cognito  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:08:01pm

There's no excusing whoever made that edit. Shameful.

(Charles, for what it's worth, I'm not sure the 'WhoIs' info is up to date... The Times moved from 43rd St. a while back. No bearing on this situation, as it's an edit from 2005, but like I said, "for what it's worth.")

98 Hard Right  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:08:10pm

re: #84 Bill Amos

Utt Ooooh Here is the NY Times changing a controversial story.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

old

an earlier similar case, in late 2001 ”Times” reporters (including Judith Miller (journalist) Judith Miller] learned that federal agents would soon raid the Holyland Relief Foundation and the Global Relief Foundation freeze their assets. The two foundations were noted conduits for funding various Arab terrorist organizations operating in Israel. Despite the obvious sensitivity of this information, the ”Times” first tipped off the foundations that they were soon to be raided and impounded, then published articles with this information. Naturally, when the federal agents arrived the next day, much important information had already been obscured. A grand jury was convened to consider an indictment against the leakers. When the grand jury called upon the ”Times” to reveal its sources, the ”Times” refused to do so. After many letters were exchanged debating the issue, the ”Times” received a declaratory judgment prohibiting the grand jury from subpoenaing the ”Times” phone records. That decision was recently [allowing the government to obtain the records.

new

an earlier similar case, in late 2001 Times reporters (including [[Judith Miller]]) were leaked information about government actions against the [[Holy Land Foundation]] and the [[Global Relief Foundation]], two Islamic Charities suspected of funding terrorist organizations. In the course of their reporting, The Times reporters sought comment from the charities; the government had already frozen the assets of other similar charities, and the fact that additional government action was about to be taken had been widely reported. A [[grand jury]] was convened in Illinois to consider an indictment against the leakers. The Times did not cooperate with the prosecutor’s request for the reporters to identify their confidential sources. When the government said it would subpoena the telephone companies for the phone records of the reporters to help identify their sources, The Times sought an injunction preventing the prosecutor from obtaining and reviewing the records. The Federal District Court in New York agreed with The Times on the basis of a [[First Amendment]] and [[common law]] reporters’ privilege, and barred the government from seeing the records. However, that decision was recently reversed by the [[U.S. Court of Appeals]], allowing the government to obtain the records.

Interested in truth ramming their leftist ideology down our throats, they are.

99 Mentat  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:08:51pm

OT:

Yvonne Ridley Coming to Canada to Speak

Barbara Kay: Coming to a city near you: Radical Islam supporter Yvonne Ridley
Guess who’s coming to dinner in Toronto and Montreal this September?

You may remember the name Yvonne Ridley. She was the journalist captured by the Taliban in 2001. A textbook case of Stockholm Syndrome, she converted to Islam and took up the cause of her captors. Now a talking head on the Islam Channel in England, where she is responsible for political issues, she is also a founder and frequent candidate for the Respect Party (the political party of choice for fundamentalist Muslims, and terrorist-supporting left wing political scoundrels like George Galloway).

Ridley supports radical Islam’s objectives and its spokespeople (she has stated, for example, that Abu Hamza al-Masri, the infamously radical and openly jihadist Finsbury Park Mosque imam is “quite sweet really” and has designated as “martyrs” such monsters as Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Chechan devil Shamil Basayev, who perpetrated the horrific Beslan school massacre), and to this day defends the Taliban in Afghanistan, where Canadian soldiers are risking (and losing) life and limb to defeat them.

Ridley has also recently become the London correspondent for a new TV channel created by Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad – Press TV – which, according to Ridley, offers “a different perspective than that of conventional media.” (On its Internet site there is a section, “Analyses,” where one can find insinuations that the British government orchestrated the recent car bomb attacks on London and Glasgow in order to tarnish the image of Muslims in Great Britain.)

And yet, at the invitation of the Islamic Congress of Canada, Yvonne Ridley is being brought this September to our shores as a guest speaker. A petition is presently making the rounds in Quebec, demanding that the Islamic Congress of Canada disassociate itself from Yvonne Ridley and her odious connections and words, and, in addition, make clear to the Canadian public the Congress’ refusal to offer any support, direct or indirect, to Islamist terrorism. If you would like more information about Yvonne Ridley or about this petition, please contact redaction@egards.qc.ca.

bkay@videotron.ca

100 trailortrash  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:09:26pm

re: #94 DocDublU

the banned PBS documentary Islam vs. Islamists will air tonite in Phoenix as part of a deal PBS Portland made with the directors. 10 pm KAET Ch. 8. discussion panel to follow. this is not being released nation wide but rather in a few select markets. per their program guide;

A documentary about moderate Muslims in North America and Western Europe who, when they speak out against fundamentalist Muslims, meet resistance from others in their faith

wish they would show that here in Virginia, or on the web even...

101 paxnhymn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:09:26pm

re: #62 ZionistYoungster
I just love yer piss n vinegar!

:-D

102 Charles  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:09:42pm

Cognito: the domain info was updated in July 2006. It isn't unusual for address info to be out of date.

103 Golem Akbar  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:09:42pm

re: #94 DocDublU I lre: #94 DocDublU

the banned PBS documentary Islam vs. Islamists will air tonite in Phoenix as part of a deal PBS Portland made with the directors. 10 pm KAET Ch. 8. discussion panel to follow. this is not being released nation wide but rather in a few select markets. per their program guide;

A documentary about moderate Muslims in North America and Western Europe who, when they speak out against fundamentalist Muslims, meet resistance from others in their faith

I live in Los Angeles and have looked for this on local TV; nothing yet.

104 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:10:33pm
105 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:11:38pm

re: #46 jcm

re: #44 Ward Cleaver


I'd hate to see what's scratched on the walls of the bathroom stalls at the NYT.

For a good time call pinch at ext. 1234

Ouch.

106 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:12:13pm
107 maddogg  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:12:42pm

The NYT: the incredibly shrinking newspaper. How long before its the size of a Watchtower pamphlet and their giving it away for free on those little stands along with real estate fliers and used car ads?

108 WhIteSidE  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:13:17pm

re: #97 Cognito

Echoing Charles, address can be out of date. I only get e-mails every year or two to update. I would imagine that someone like NYT takes their addys with them.

109 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:14:10pm
110 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:14:30pm

Charles, what do you think will come out of Virgil's "cracking" of the Wiki edit system? Do you think Wiki would (or could) rewrite their code to make it impossible to get this kind of info?

111 Cognito  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:14:46pm

re: #102 Charles

Cool.

112 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:15:32pm
113 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:15:55pm
114 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:16:04pm
115 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:16:26pm

Maybe I missed this question already, but Charles does it show any of the people who mess with the LGF entry?

116 Andy in Agoura Hills  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:17:06pm

Yeah, look what they did to Condie's bio.

This is why I almost never trust Wikipedia.

117 student  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:17:08pm

The infantilization of the NYT is now complete. Despite their claims to be professional and objective newsmen, we see that they are really children scribbling graffiti is public places.

118 Mentat  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:19:24pm

Couple dissolves marriage after wife embraces Islam

By M. MAGESWARI

PETALING JAYA: A teacher and a hotel manager became the first couple in the country to dissolve their marriage amicably through the Syariah lower court after she embraced Islam.

Today, Aishah Sandhera Abdullah @ Sandhera Debbie Kimbi, 27, from Sibu, Sarawak, applied to the Syariah lower court here to dissolve her marriage because of the change of religion.

She made her application under Section 46(2) of the Islamic Family Law Enactment (Selangor) 2003.

The court granted the application to dissolve the marriage.

In confirming the dissolution of the marriage for her, Syariah court judge Ghazali Ahmad praised the couple for settling the matter good-naturedly.

According to the statement of claim, Aishah, who is the plaintiff, had married Reynolds Chua Guan Teck, 28, on May 5, 2004.

The marriage was registered under the Law Reform (Marriage and Divorce) Act 1976 as both were Christians during the period. The couple has no children.

Aishah converted to Islam on Feb 2 while the defendant was still a Christian.

The couple then could not live together under Islamic law because of the difference in religions.

She filed the summons and statement of claim on Aug 1 for the dissolution of the marriage.

The defendant had filed a divorce petition on July 20 at the Shah Alam High Court (civil) under the Law Reform (Marriage and Divorce) Act.

The Shah Alam Court has not set a date to hear the divorce matter.

Speaking to reporters later, Aishah's lawyer Zainul Rijal Abu Bakar said the case set a precedent for couples to dissolve their marriages amicably when one party converts to Islam.

He said such settlements should be encouraged as it resulted in a win-win situation for both.

Earlier, Aishah informed Ghazali that she would attend the divorce case proceeding for Chua at the Shah Alam High Court.

119 Baier  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:19:35pm

This is just the tip of the Iceberg, I'll bet!

120 Cognito  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:19:38pm

re: #117 student

A bit overbroad, there. We don't know that the person who made the edit was a "newsman." And it doesn't apply to every individual there, regardless.

The edit is ridiculous, and stupid. But I don't think it's fair to broaden it to "they."

121 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:21:11pm

Childish behavior? Thank goodness this a blog where that sort of thing never happens.

122 Golem Akbar  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:21:29pm

Newsflash: New York Times about to undergo yet another makeover!
It'll be more readable, and much more accurate.

123 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:21:43pm
124 Fellay Timi  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:22:15pm

NYT at Uncyclopidia

First section is pretty spot on, don't bother reading anything after the "History" section though, its just juvenile crap

Some NSFW language in the last section

125 wargammer2005  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:22:54pm

what happens if i hit the "Report" button on one of Charles' posts?

(i know, i get banned!)

126 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:23:38pm
127 MattMacD  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:23:43pm

Seems like it's a guy named Nick Bilton, judging by a change he made to the New York Times wiki page... and the many changes he made to the Nick Bolton page.
Well, just a guess.
This guy.

128 Charles  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:23:45pm

You can see the edit history of any Wikipedia page by clicking the 'History' tab at the top.

129 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:24:57pm

re: #122 Golem Akbar

Newsflash: New York Times about to undergo yet another makeover!
It'll be more readable, and much more accurate.

Nothing less than a full purge of the editorial department will save them.

130 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:26:57pm
131 MattMacD  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:27:07pm

fixing my typo

*Nick Bilton page

132 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:27:24pm

I don't recall when I've seen Charles this voluble on a thread.

Charles, check the label on that cough syrup for side effects!

133 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:27:28pm

re: #127 MattMacD

Seems like it's a guy named Nick Bilton, judging by a change he made to the New York Times wiki page... and the many changes he made to the Nick Bolton page.
Well, just a guess.
This guy.

Is this Nick's mom?

134 loppyd  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:28:09pm

re: #113 JammieWearingFool

Jammie!

Watching my brother's kids this afternoon. He took them to see Damned Yankees the other night and the four yr. old keeps belting out "You gotta have heaaaaaaart" :)

135 solomonpanting  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:30:09pm

OT:

Hamas TV's child star says she's ready for martyrdom

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — Saraa Barhoum picked at the buttons on her pink bellbottom jeans as she twisted on a chair inside the bustling new Hamas television headquarters. The afternoon light bounced off the sparkly outlines of butterflies on her frilly top, and a colorful hijab framed her 11-year-old face.
Saraa wants to be a doctor. If she can't, the young star of Hamas television's best-known children's show said, she'd be proud to become a martyr. Saraa says little Jewish girls should be forced from their homes in Israel so that Palestinians can return to their land.

The all-too-common doctor/terrorist connection.

136 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:30:49pm
137 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:31:12pm

re: #128 Charles

Thanks.

138 coz  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:31:14pm

re: #134 loppyd

Damn Yankees as in Ted Nugent, Tommy Shaw, Jack Blades, and ... that drummer guy?

They're still at it?

139 FreeIowa  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:31:41pm

This is going to be very entertaining. One of the great myths is that the Internet is anonymous. There are ways, like Tor routers, but even those IP address get logged and filed.
Why do you thing the Feds want ISP’s to keep their access logs?

140 coz  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:32:05pm

Mandy,

you feelin' better this afternoon?

141 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:34:05pm
142 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:34:56pm

Yet one more reason why I don't allow my students to use Wikipedia as a source. It's ok for some things, as folks said earlier if you know enough about the subject to pick out errors/distortions, etc. But I regularly see papers cut and pasted out of there.

Of course, that makes finding the cheaters all that easier.

Our bookstore manager offers me a free NYT practically every day. And everyday I say "no thank you." Since you can get this online, why do you need to read the Times?

143 loppyd  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:34:57pm

re: #138 coz

re: #134 loppyd

Damn Yankees as in Ted Nugent, Tommy Shaw, Jack Blades, and ... that drummer guy?

They're still at it?

Not quite! Damn Yankees

144 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:35:35pm

re: #141 Sharmuta

reuters was editing today.


Now now sharmuta..how do we know it was really someone at reuters?

/loony liberal excuse maker off

145 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:35:43pm

Van Halen is getting back together.

146 Mentat  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:35:59pm

How Not To Get Out Of Iraq
by Max Boot

Excerpt:

If none of these strategies holds out a serious hope of success, what, then, does? Time and again in Iraq, we have seen that substantial ground forces, if properly employed, can indeed rout terrorists. Consider the success of offensives since 2004 in Falluja, Najaf, Tal Afar, Qaim, Hit, Ramadi, and Baquba. In the past, the problem with many of these operations was that we lacked enough troops to sustain a long-term presence after taking the city. Now, as a combined result of the surge, greater cooperation from Iraqi tribes, and more effective Iraqi fighting forces, we may finally have gathered enough strength to execute, at least in some critical locales, all phases of the “clear, hold, and build” approach that is at the heart of successful counterinsurgency warfare.

It would be extremely short-sighted if, as a result of war-weariness, we were to abort this classic strategy before it has had a chance to be fully implemented. As I noted at the outset, early signs have been positive: U.S. and Iraqi troops have been reducing violence in Baghdad and surrounding areas. In late July, returning from an eight-day visit to the front lines, Kenneth Pollack and his Brookings colleague Michael O’Hanlon, both of whom have been harshly critical of the administration’s “miserable handling of Iraq,” reported in a widely cited New York Times op-ed that they were “surprised by the gains” being made. “We are finally getting somewhere in Iraq, at least in military terms,” they wrote.

147 cosmo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:36:09pm

Four years at NYU and a BA in journalism and all the imbecile can conjure up is "jerk?"

Incredible. Waste. Of. Tuition.

148 Saif al Kufr  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:36:24pm

This is what he did to the Condi Rice entry:

From:
"Rice began classes with the goal of becoming a concert [[pianist]]."

To:
"Rice began classes with the goal of becoming a concert penis."


Classy...

149 loppyd  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:36:25pm

The left has to cheat to win at anything.

150 got milk?  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:36:36pm

another edit(
about condi)
After studying piano at an [[Aspen, Colorado|Aspen]] music camp, Rice enrolled at the [[University of Denver]], where her father both served as an assistant dean and taught a class called "The Black Experience in America." [[Link: www.publiceye.org...] At age 15, Rice began classes with the goal of becoming a concert penis. Her plans

151 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:36:40pm

Wow. Has anyone looked at how the NYT edited entries on itself? (revision 70278386)

Look at their revision to discussion of Judith Miller alerting the Holy Land Foundation to their imminent raid:

old version:

In an earlier similar case, in late 2001 ''Times'' reporters (including [[Judith Miller (journalist)|Judith Miller]]) learned that federal agents would soon raid the Holyland Relief Foundation and the Global Relief Foundation freeze their assets. The two foundations were noted conduits for funding various Arab terrorist organizations operating in Israel. Despite the obvious sensitivity of this information, the ''Times'' first tipped off the foundations that they were soon to be raided and impounded, then published articles with this information. Naturally, when the federal agents arrived the next day, much important information had already been obscured. A grand jury was convened to consider an indictment against the leakers. When the grand jury called upon the ''Times'' to reveal its sources, the ''Times'' refused to do so. After many letters were exchanged debating the issue, the ''Times'' received a [[declaratory judgment]] prohibiting the grand jury from subpoenaing the ''Times'' phone records. That decision was recently [[Link: 10.213.23.111:8080...] reversed], allowing the government to obtain the records.

the NYT's changed version:

In an earlier similar case, in late 2001 Times reporters (including [[Judith Miller]]) were leaked information about government actions against the [[Holy Land Foundation]] and the [[Global Relief Foundation]], two Islamic Charities suspected of funding terrorist organizations. In the course of their reporting, The Times reporters sought comment from the charities; the government had already frozen the assets of other similar charities, and the fact that additional government action was about to be taken had been widely reported. A [[grand jury]] was convened in Illinois to consider an indictment against the leakers. The Times did not cooperate with the prosecutor’s request for the reporters to identify their confidential sources. When the government said it would subpoena the telephone companies for the phone records of the reporters to help identify their sources, The Times sought an injunction preventing the prosecutor from obtaining and reviewing the records. The Federal District Court in New York agreed with The Times on the basis of a [[First Amendment]] and [[common law]] reporters’ privilege, and barred the government from seeing the records. However, that decision was recently reversed by the [[U.S. Court of Appeals]], allowing the government to obtain the records.
152 cosmo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:36:55pm

re: #145 NJDhockeyfan

Next step: Kevin Stevens comes out of retirement to lead the Devils to another cup.

153 Stonewall  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:37:01pm

Dumbass
Dumbass
Dumbass
Dumbass
Dumbass
Dumbass

154 loppyd  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:37:08pm

re: #145 NJDhockeyfan

Van Halen is getting back together.

David Lee Roth or Sammy Hagar?

155 Render  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:37:33pm

re: #142 Lucius Septimius

Did you see my link for Advanced Squad Leader?

RETREAD,
R

156 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:37:34pm

re: #147 cosmo

At least he spelled it correctly!

157 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:38:14pm

Hi loppyd,

Long time, no speak.

re: #134 loppyd

re: #113 JammieWearingFool

Jammie!

Watching my brother's kids this afternoon. He took them to see DamnedYankees the other night and the four yr. old keeps belting out "You gottahave heaaaaaaart" :)

I saw you and realwest jousting over the Yankees and Sox this morning. Exciting times with all the kids playing well. I think we'll be seeing you in October again.

My boy is getting into baseball a bit. He calls Derek Jeter "my favortie Irish cousin," which I think my FiL started. The FiL lives down the road from where Jeter was born and spent his first six or seven years.

Being from the old sol, the FiL revels in him being half Irish.

I actually bought him a Schilling shirt when I was at Fenway and got a lot of grief from my cousins when I had him wear it one night on the Cape.

158 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:38:15pm

The thread title says "graphically illustrated" but I don't see any illustrations.

159 coz  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:38:32pm

re: #143 loppyd

ah, I see.

Thanks lop!

160 peck  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:38:48pm

re: #136 taxfreekiller

Hey, you can't just change the internet without consulting the Goracle! It is his invention after all./

161 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:38:51pm

re: #154 loppyd
David Lee Roth

162 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:39:00pm

re: #140 coz

Yeah. I'm still having a hard time readjusting to early mornings and traffic.

163 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:39:17pm

re: #135 solomonpanting

She's learned well at the Stan's feet...

And get the millstone ready for the neck of her teacher.

164 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:39:22pm
165 looking closely  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:39:28pm

re: #135 solomonpanting

OT:

Hamas TV's child star says she's ready for martyrdom

The all-too-common doctor/terrorist connection.

My inference is that the Palestinians view so-called Martyrs and Doctors as equally respectable "callings".

166 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:40:25pm

re: #149 loppyd

The left has to cheat to win at anything.

Which is why they spend so much attacking Rove -- their assumption is that if he succeeded, he must of cheated.

"When you point at me, there are three fingers pointin' back at you."

167 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:41:08pm

re: #148 Saif al Kufr

This is what he did to the Condi Rice entry:

From:
"Rice began classes with the goal of becoming a concert [[pianist]]."

To:
"Rice began classes with the goal of becoming a concert penis."


Classy...

Funny stuff. They should be blogging.

168 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:41:14pm
169 so.cal.swede  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:41:27pm

re: #142 Lucius Septimius

Yet one more reason why I don't allow my students to use Wikipedia as a source.


Good choice. Wikipedia is not an original encyclopedia (they don't even try to be), they are more of a collection of student essays on particular topics.

I found that wikipedia has some essays with great sourcing, and helps a lot if you are trying to find original research articles.

170 coz  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:41:36pm

re: #162 MandyManners

{Mandy}

I hate mornings.

And traffic.

Glad to hear you're doing better.

171 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:41:47pm

What a putz.

Padilla lawyer blames Islamophobia

How novel a defense.

172 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:41:50pm

re: #155 Render

Yes I did -- thank you. I bookmarked it.

I remember playing the old Squad Leader back in High School way long ago.

173 lvrick  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:41:53pm

re: #12 Utah Chris

On second thought -

Hamster Cage
Hamster Cage
Hamster Cage
Hamster Cage
Hamster Cage
Hamster Cage
Hamster Cage
Hamster Cage
Hamster Cage
Hamster Cage

The hamster wheel is really turning now...

The wheel is spinning, but the hamster's dead.

174 sifty  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:42:06pm

re: #161 Pvt Bin Jammin

re: #154 loppyd
David Lee Roth

That'll last about 12 minutes.
Love the music, hate the high school drama between the VH brothers and the rest of the band all these years.

I blame Valerie Bertinelli.

And the NYT still sucks.

175 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:42:16pm

re: #152 cosmo

re: #145 NJDhockeyfan

Next step: Kevin Stevens comes out of retirement to lead the Devils to another cup.

You mean Scott Stevens?

That would be nice.

176 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:42:16pm

re: #144 Highrise

From the reuter's search Charlesput up earlier- this one was my favorite.

177 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:42:47pm

More NYT tomfoolery:

The NYT changed "Accusations of Liberal Bias" in the wiki on itself to read:

Some conservatives believe that ''The Times''' has a[[liberal]] slant, particularly on social issues.

from the original:

Many readers believe that the ''Times''' hard news and soft news reportage have a consistent and pronounced [[American liberalism|liberal]] slant, particularly on social issues.

178 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:42:50pm

re: #155 Render

What? Advanced Squad Leader? Link? Please repost!

179 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:42:59pm
180 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:43:07pm

I'm sorry, Preview. You are still my friend.

181 cosmo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:43:18pm

re: #18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Love it.

182 Right Turn Clyde  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:43:19pm

This is great. I even checked the re-pubs out, there was one tagged as vandalism, they inserted the word "penis" into the Saint Patrick's Day entry a bunch of times. Weird stuff. The NYT stuff is real interesting.

183 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:43:19pm

re: #152 cosmo

re: #145 NJDhockeyfan

Next step: Kevin Stevens comes out of retirement to lead the Devils to another cup.

I think you mean Scott Stevens....

184 MES41067  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:43:27pm

I'm thinking of getting the nyt just so the dog has something to go on.

185 solomonpanting  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:43:44pm

re: #165 looking closely

My inference is that the Palestinians view so-called Martyrs and Doctors as equally respectable "callings".

Somehow I get the feeling becoming a doctor, engineer, or attorney is merely a means to achieving martyrdumb.

186 loppyd  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:43:54pm

re: #157 JammieWearingFool

The Sox have been leaving an unacceptable amount of runners on base. If they can improve on that, I won't be worried. The next month will be interesting, though.

My brother would pass out if I put one of his kids in a Yankees t-shirt. Then he would accuse me of child abuse...

187 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:44:40pm

re: #183 experiencedtraveller


So, do the Devils move out of the swamp and into lovely downtown Newark this year? Or is that 'next year'?

188 BIG  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:44:54pm

This appears to be a case of the losers writing history?

189 Golem Akbar  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:45:21pm

re: #142 Lucius Septimius


Our bookstore manager offers me a free NYT practically every day. And everyday I say "no thank you." Since you can get this online, why do you need to read the Times?

Now, because of you, I've got to clean off my monitor...

190 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:45:39pm

previous version:

'''Thomas Dale "Tom" DeLay''' (born [[April 8]] [[1947]]) is a former member of the [[United States House of Representatives]] from [[Sugar Land, Texas|Sugar Land]], [[Texas]], the former [[Majority Leader of the United States House of Representatives|House Majority Leader]], and a prominent member of the [[Republican Party (United States)|Republican Party]].

NYT edited version:

''Thomas Dale "Tom" DeLay''' (born [[April 8]] [[1947]]) is a former member of the [[United States House of Representatives]] from [[Sugar Land, Texas|Sugar Land]], [[Texas]], the former [[Majority Leader of the United States House of Representatives|House Majority Leader]], and a Grand Dragon of the [[Republican Party (United States)|Republican Party]].

191 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:46:14pm

Total chickenshit.

Oddly enough, if I was an NYT employee, I'd probably find better ways to spend my time than writing stupid comments on the interweb.

/Very obviously, I'm not an NYT reporter.

192 loppyd  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:47:05pm

re: #174 sifty

I prefer the Sammy days myself.

Eddie VH has wet brain and comes off as a very bitter, mean-spirited man.

193 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:47:22pm

re: #176 Sharmuta

What part in particular (may I ask) -- not trying to be combative, but I had to skip through a lot of the last thread (feeding children, etc.) so I'm not sure of the context. It's also a subject that a good friend of mine who's spent a lot of time studying cognitive therapy and I have been discussing for some years.

(I liked the Freud letter quote in there, btw)

Oh, also, what was the deal with the "Sharmuta" article that's been taken down?

194 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:47:40pm

re: #188 BIG

Yup. While the people doing the work are busy actually working, the cowardly weasels are going back and rewriting what happened to make themselves look better and tear down the people who they mooch off of.

195 zmdavid  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:48:01pm

re: #177 SeafoodGumbo

More NYT tomfoolery:

The NYT changed "Accusations of Liberal Bias" in the wiki on itself to read:


Some conservatives believe that ''The Times''' has a[[liberal]] slant, particularly on social issues.

from the original:

Many readers believe that the ''Times''' hard news and soft news reportage have a consistent and pronounced [[American liberalism|liberal]] slant, particularly on social issues.


"Many readers" is innacurate. The Times doesn't have many readers.

196 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:48:16pm

re: #187 Leonidas Hoplite

They play this year in the new arena in Newark.

(Don't get me wrong...I'm a Rangers Fan. But the Rangers have sucked so much gamey buttocks over the last 10 years that I had to respect and root for the Devils...except when they were playing and generally kicking the crap out of the Rangers...)

197 Render  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:49:07pm

re: #178 Leonidas Hoplite

[Link: www.multimanpublishing.com...]

NEVER
QUIT,
R

198 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:50:30pm

This Wiki look up thing is AWESOME.

I LOVE IT.

199 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:50:31pm
200 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:50:55pm

re: #187 Leonidas Hoplite

re: #183 experiencedtraveller


So, do the Devils move out of the swamp and into lovely downtown Newark this year? Or is that 'next year'?

This year.

newjerseydevils.com – Consider it one of the last times these seats will be empty.

As Prudential Center construction continues to gather momentum, work began Thursday on the installation of the seats that will hold thousands of Devils fans this October.

Prudential Center will be the site of New Jersey's 2007-08 regular season home opener on Saturday, Oct, 27, just two days after rockers Bon Jovi perform the first-ever event at the brand-new, state-of-the-art venue.

From the Club Level to the Upper Ends, each of the 17,625 seats will have sight lines unlike any others in the National Hockey League.

Fans will have spectacular views of the ice surface, LED video ribbon boards, and eight-sided video scoreboard.

Comfort was a top priority for the wider seats, which also will feature extra knee and leg room.

Sounds like a nice place to see a hockey game.

:)

201 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:51:03pm

re: #184 MES41067

I'm thinking of getting the nyt just so the dog has something to go on.

Don't insult your dog's anus.

202 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:51:09pm

re: #196 experiencedtraveller


Thanks. I too am a long-suffering Ranger fan and I agree, the Devils deserve nothing but respect...though I do love watching them lose! I used to love watching the Islanders lose but it's no fun anymore...

203 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:51:32pm

re: #192 loppyd

What's a wet brain?

204 loppyd  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:51:49pm

re: #199 taxfreekiller

So, can we find out what the Boston Glob has been doing to
Lt. Kerry's bio on wikipedia, not that they lie for him or any thing.

Oooooh. That would be FUN!

205 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:51:50pm

re: #201 MandyManners

re: #184 MES41067

I'm thinking of getting the nyt just so the dog has something to go on.

Don't insult your dog's anus.

Get them a Michael Vick poster instead.

206 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:52:12pm

re: #80 Charles

Kragar: it isn't always possible to differentiate between public and private numbers so clearly. The easiest way to make sure is to simply not allow phone numbers.

The WHOIS is a bit different, since that IP address is the whole point of this post.

Charles, this leads to a related question:

What about links to a contact page for a Senator or Congress Critter i.e. where the page has their office number (such as 555-1212) on the page?

I have seen this a few times here, but am unsure of it.

Thanks in advance.

207 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:52:32pm

re: #186 loppyd

re: #157 JammieWearingFool

TheSox have been leaving an unacceptable amount of runners on base. If theycan improve on that, I won't be worried. The next month will be interesting,though.

My brother would pass out if I put one of his kids in a Yankees t-shirt. Then he would accuse me of child abuse...

Barring a collapse, I think they'll both wind up in the playoffs, though you may regret getting Eric Gagne. I think he's finished, but we'll see.

Don't know if you've seen Joba Chamberlain yet, but he's the new 8th inning setup man, though limited in innings since he's been rushed up.

His first Stadium appearance last night and the fans were already doing "Jo-ba Jo-ba" chants. Three or four appearances and he's a cult hero, which tells you long it's been since they had a reliable brindge to Mariano.

He's got lights out stuff, hit 99 on the radar last night with his fastball and has a wicked slider. You'll probably see him in two weeks.

Slated to be a starter next year.

208 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:52:44pm

re: #184 MES41067

I'm thinking of getting the nyt just so the dog has something to go on.


I DID get the NYT for that reason. The dog refused to even go on it

209 jcm  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:53:58pm
The first family to die was the Rafalyks — father, mother and a child. Later on the Fediy family of five also perished of starvation. Then followed the families of Prokhar Lytvyn (four persons), Fedir Hontowy (three persons), Samson Fediy (three persons). The second child of the latter family was beaten to death on somebody's onion patch. Mykola and Larion Fediy died, followed by Andrew Fediy and his wife; Stefan Fediy; Anton Fediy, his wife and four children (his two other little girls survived); Boris Fediy, his wife and three children: Olanviy Fediy and his wife; Taras Fediy and his wife; Theodore Fesenko; Constantine Fesenko; Melania Fediy; Lawrenty Fediy; Peter Fediy; Eulysis Fediy and his brother Fred; Isidore Fediy, his wife and two children; Ivan Hontowy, his wife and two children; Vasyl Perch, his wife and child; Makar Fediy; Prokip Fesenko: Abraham Fediy; Ivan Skaska, his wife and eight children.

Some of these people were buried in a cemetery plot; others were left lying wherever they died. For instance, Elizabeth Lukashenko died on the meadow; her remains were eaten by ravens. Others were simply dumped into any handy excavation. The remains of Lawrenty Fediy lay on the hearth of his dwelling until devoured by rats.*


Andrew Suttaford
May 7, 2003 8:45 a.m.
Prize Specimen
The campaign to revoke Walter Duranty’s Pulitzer.

"There is no famine or actual starvation nor is there likely to be."
--New York Times, Nov. 15, 1931, page 1

"Any report of a famine in Russia is today an exaggeration or malignant propaganda."
--New York Times, August 23, 1933

"Enemies and foreign critics can say what they please. Weaklings and despondents at home may groan under the burden, but the youth and strength of the Russian people is essentially at one with the Kremlin's program, believes it worthwhile and supports it, however hard be the sledding."
--New York Times, December 9, 1932, page 6

"You can't make an omelet without breaking eggs."
--New York Times, May 14, 1933, page 18

"There is no actual starvation or deaths from starvation but there is widespread mortality from diseases due to malnutrition."
--New York Times, March 31, 1933, page 13

Some conservatives believe that ''The Times''' has a[[liberal]] slant, particularly on social issues.

BELIEVE! BULL [self deleted] crap, I know it, and above is the damn PROOF.
[self deleted]

210 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:53:59pm

re: #202 Leonidas Hoplite

re: #196 experiencedtraveller


Thanks. I too am a long-suffering Ranger fan and I agree, the Devils deserve nothing but respect...though I do love watching them lose! I used to love watching the Islanders lose but it's no fun anymore...

The first hockey game I ever went to was a Ranger/Islander game at MSG back in the 80's.

I was hooked after that game.

211 loppyd  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:54:36pm

re: #203 MandyManners

re: #192 loppyd

What's a wet brain?

It's a form of dementia caused by alcoholism.

212 jcm  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:55:02pm

re: #208 sattv4u2

re: #184 MES41067

I'm thinking of getting the nyt just so the dog has something to go on.


I DID get the NYT for that reason. The dog refused to even go on it

See my #14

213 DocDublU  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:55:12pm

OT

Islam vs. Islamists on TV in Phx tonite.

[Link: www.azcentral.com...]

this is apparently the first viewing of the doc. and per the author, Phx has a large Muslim population. who knew?

214 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:55:16pm
215 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:55:28pm

re: #202 Leonidas Hoplite

Nice!

You, NJDhockeyfan and I should get together for a game this season.

We can talk about how we can help Hillary's Campaign. / (huh? -ed)

216 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:55:40pm

re: #210 NJDhockeyfan

Those were hotly contested games! I was in high school at the time and Islanders were winning games and Cups...it was brutal. Those Sasson jeans ads didn't help either...

217 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:55:58pm

re: #115 Peacekeeper

I wonder if CAIR messed with LGF?

218 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:55:58pm

re: #198 WriterMom

This Wiki look up thing is AWESOME.

I LOVE IT.

I can't figure it out (I'm slow). Has Vanity Fair been doing any editing?

219 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:56:16pm

re: #215 experiencedtraveller

I'm in!

220 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:56:50pm
221 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:57:02pm

re: #211 loppyd

re: #203 MandyManners


re: #192 loppyd

What's a wet brain?


It's a form of dementia caused by alcoholism.


I don't even have to look it up to know she's talking Teddy...

222 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:57:14pm

Along the same lines as the wiki searches for revisions, here's a search of British media outlet news stories and it shows the edits taking place between versions: News Sniffer's Revisionista (BBC and Guardian).

Unfortunately, I haven't come across a similar service for US media outlets like NYT, WaPo, NYP, WSJ, etc.

223 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:57:18pm

Wikipedia is accurate and an indispensible resource.

While perusing Wiki the other day I learned that the United States secured it's independence from Canada in 1941 by defeating the Nazis at the battle of Waterloo.

Knowledge is power folks.

224 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:57:34pm

Not only is EVH suffering from wetbrain, he's fried from all the crystal meth.

225 Digger Dan  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:57:58pm

Isn't that interesting: First it was JERK ON, then it was JERK OFF. The NYT has such an interesting dark side!

226 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:58:19pm

re: #205 Lucius Septimius

re: #201 MandyManners


re: #184 MES41067

I'm thinking of getting the nyt just so the dog has something to go on.

Don't insult your dog's anus.

Get them a Michael Vick poster instead.

I heard recently that some entrepreneur has begun marketing dog chew toys that look like Vick. Poetic justice.

227 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:58:20pm
228 loppyd  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:58:22pm

re: #221 Peacekeeper

I don't even have to look it up to know she's talking Teddy...

WRONG! Eddie VH....

I was going to cite Teddy as another example, but refrained.

So there!

/tongue way out

:)

229 jcm  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:58:44pm

re: #223 Dirk Diggler

Wikipedia is accurate and an indispensible resource.

While perusing Wiki the other day I learned that the United States secured it's independence from Canada in 1941 by defeating the Nazis at the battle of Waterloo.

Knowledge is power folks.

I think that's from Zinn's People History of the United States.

230 bosforus  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:59:02pm

why did NYT stock start plummeting in June of this year?

231 TimeQuake  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:59:54pm

Conservapedia

Conservapedia began in November 2006, as the class project for a World History class of 58 advanced homeschooled and college-bound students meeting

232 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:00:00pm

re: #217 WriterMom

re: #115 Peacekeeper

I wonder if CAIR messed with LGF?

I've been wondering, too. Atlas Shruggs had a piece on Sunday linking the two students with the pipe bombs in So Carolina to several others with terrorist ties. She said she had received hate mail from the same IP addresses that were registered to one of them.

233 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:00:06pm

You can't make an omelet without breaking eggs."
--New York Times, May 14, 1933, page 18

To which George Orwell responded:
" So where's the omelet?"

234 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:00:57pm

re: #228 loppyd

re: #221 Peacekeeper


I don't even have to look it up to know she's talking Teddy...

WRONG! Eddie VH....

I was going to cite Teddy as another example, but refrained.

So there!

Signs of the end times.

/tongue way out

:)

235 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:01:04pm

re: #193 Lucius Septimius

I just found the topic an interesting edit is all.

As for the removal of "sharmuta", I have no idea, yet that horrid post on the Jewish slave trade is still there (much more inflammatory than moi) and some idiot is out there reading and believing that cr*p.

236 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:01:15pm

re: #205 Lucius Septimius

Get them a Michael Vick poster instead.

DITTO!

237 loppyd  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:01:49pm

re: #207 JammieWearingFool

Is Joba in the same league as Papelbon? Gagne certainly hasn't done what he was brought here to do, but I'm not ready to write him off yet.

Mariano got a gift from your boy Jeter last night...

Going to the game against LA Friday night. First time this year so we're really looking forward to it.

238 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:02:16pm

re: #208 sattv4u2

re: #184 MES41067


I'm thinking of getting the nyt just so the dog has something to go on.

I DID get the NYT for that reason. The dog refused to even go on it

Smart doggie.

239 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:02:51pm

re: #235 Sharmuta

Gotcha. I was going to look at the slave trade thing, but I can't stomach it today.

240 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:03:09pm

In defense of Wiki, I actually find it surprisingly accurate regarding topics which a) aren't heavily political and b) about which I have a good base of independent knowledge with which to compare.

241 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:03:30pm

re: #211 loppyd

Ouch.

242 Sponge  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:03:46pm

re: #229 jcm

re: #223 Dirk Diggler


Wikipedia is accurate and an indispensible resource.

While perusing Wiki the other day I learned that the United States secured it's independence from Canada in 1941 by defeating the Nazis at the battle of Waterloo.

Knowledge is power folks.


I think that's from Zinn's People History of the United States.

That would actually back up jonn mellonhead cougar's denial of Pearl Harbor being attacked 'because he wasn't there'........

243 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:03:55pm

re: #218 Peacekeeper

You just put in the organization or name, and then it provides you with the range of IPs that have been tinkering...then you can look up the IP at another site.

244 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:04:06pm

For instance, the only major fact missing from the Wiki entry on Adriana Lima is any mention of our torrid, off-again on-again romance.

245 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:04:42pm

re: #236 MandyManners

re: #205 Lucius Septimius

Get them a Michael Vick poster instead.

DITTO!

What gets me about the case, though, is that the Feds don't care about the dogs -- it's the money and gambling that's the issue. That's why the let his homeboys cop pleas. They want to get the bucks behind the operation, but no body wants to talk about that part.

Gotta go -- the boy just got Madden 2008. Vince Young is doomed.

246 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:05:48pm

re: #240 Occasional Reader

I think when it comes to technical information, wiki is usually pretty good, but as soon as you stray away from that, it gets pretty bad.

247 brent  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:05:55pm

better late than never...

All that money wasted on journalism school; his parents should be pissed. 4 years of college, and all he's writing is graffiti.

248 Cognito  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:06:05pm

re: #244 Occasional Reader

For instance, the only major fact missing from the Wiki entry on Adriana Lima is any mention of our torrid, off-again on-again romance.

Weird. Because I've been alternating on-again, then off-again.

So. You're the other guy.

249 loppyd  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:06:38pm

re: #244 Occasional Reader

For instance, the only major fact missing from the Wiki entry on Adriana Lima is any mention of our torrid, off-again on-again romance.

Just like the entry on Tom Brady is missing the fact that I already had his love child back in 02.

250 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:07:19pm

re: #248 Cognito

Maybe we should give the poor thing Sundays off?

251 Cognito  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:08:38pm

re: #250 Occasional Reader

You mean our "Skinny-dip Sundays"?

No can do.

252 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:08:55pm

re: #240 Occasional Reader

In defense of Wiki, I actually find it surprisingly accurate regarding topics which a) aren't heavily political and b) about which I have a good base of independent knowledge with which to compare.

I agree. Once you get away from politically-charged subjects, it's just articles written by fans of whatever topic they're posting about, like car stuff. So, the "take it with a grain of salt" pretty much applies. Some of the automotive stuff I've seen written on Wiki was more accurate that what's in some books you find in the bookstore, especially the big coffee table books that have been marked down to $6.98, which are long on pictures and short on accuracy.

253 MrMom  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:09:19pm

re: #235 Sharmuta

re: #193 Lucius Septimius

I just found the topic an interesting edit is all.

As for the removal of "sharmuta", I have no idea, yet that horrid post on the Jewish slave trade is still there (much more inflammatory than moi) and some idiot is out there reading and believing that cr*p.

The burden now lies with YOU to educate the world on 'sharmuta'!
;^)

254 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:09:27pm

re: #240 Occasional Reader

It can be very useful (re: the "vulva" article people complained about on a previous thread ; even if the photos are a bit shocking they give you a much better idea of the "architecture" than the Gray's Anatomy drawings). But it's like a Thesaurus -- it's most useful if you already know something about what you're looking for. The history articles are usually quite serviceable, but sometimes contain stuff that's either out of date or balderdash.

The only thing I've ever edited was a page on Jimmy Page, btw.

255 Grondy  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:09:49pm

Here is another one from the NYT list of edits:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

An edit for Condoleezza Rice:

At age 15, Rice began classes with the goal of becoming a concert [[pianist]]. Her plans changed when she attended a course on international politics taught by [[Josef Korbel]], the father of former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright.

Was changed to:

At age 15, Rice began classes with the goal of becoming a concert penis. Her plans changed when she attended a course on international politics taught by [[Josef Korbel]], the father of former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright.

256 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:09:58pm

re: #240 Occasional Reader

In defense of Wiki, I actually find it surprisingly accurate regarding topics which a) aren't heavily political and b) about which I have a good base of independent knowledge with which to compare.

Thanks, important tip from OR guys! Back to work.

257 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:10:17pm

re: #237 loppyd

Joba is already being heralded as Mariano's successor by Klapish, which I think is premature. Let's see how he does the rest of the season. The kid certainly has a live arm and great stuff.

Besides, Joba wants to be a starter (don't they all?!)

I think Joba might come around to think a little differently if things progress as they are.

The kid has a great future. Lots of possibilities.

258 Sifty  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:10:25pm

re: #192 loppyd

re: #174 sifty

I prefer the Sammy days myself.

Eddie VH has wet brain and comes off as a very bitter, mean-spirited man.

I'd be bitter and mean spirited too if I was married to Valerie Bertinelli and had no tongue...

/awful sifty

259 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:10:46pm

re: #244 Occasional Reader

For instance, the only major fact missing from the Wiki entry on Adriana Lima is any mention of our torrid, off-again on-again romance.

So edit it, dude! Get on it!

260 Cognito  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:10:48pm

re: #254 Lucius Septimius

re: #240 Occasional Reader

It can be very useful (re: the "vulva" article people complained about on a previous thread ; even if the photos are a bit shocking they give you a much better idea of the "architecture" than the Gray's Anatomy drawings).

That roar you hear is the sound of a mass LGF migration to Wikipedia.

261 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:11:06pm

re: #253 MrMom

Then I hope they're all taking notes. ;)

262 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:12:04pm

re: #260 Cognito

Hardly.

263 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:12:27pm

OR,

For instance, the only major fact missing from the Wiki entry on Adriana Lima is any mention of our torrid, off-again on-again romance.

From Wiki...

Lima has admitted that she was shy around boys when she was younger. She got her first kiss at 17 years old.[15] In an interview with GQ April 2006 issue, Lima told the magazine that she is a virgin.

Real torrid romance there, OR.

264 TMF  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:12:33pm

All work and no play makes a drooling imbecile Bush-hater at the NY Times a dull boy

All work and no play makes a drooling imbecile Bush-hater at the NY Times a dull boy

All work and no play makes a drooling imbecile Bush-hater at the NY Times a dull boy

All work and no play makes a drooling imbecile Bush-hater at the NY Times a dull boy

All work and no play makes a drooling imbecile Bush-hater at the NY Times a dull boy

All work and no play makes a drooling imbecile Bush-hater at the NY Times a dull boy

265 loppyd  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:12:50pm

re: #258 Sifty

He's not married to her anymore....

She's the new Jenny Craig spokesperson, you know.

266 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:13:02pm

Wow, I've just been jogging around Wiki and checking out the histories of some entries (President Bush, Vice President Cheney and Charles, just to name a few)...talk about unimaginative little moonbats!

267 MrMom  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:13:14pm

If we wiki Adriana Lima *and* vulva, we will find cognito?

268 Cognito  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:13:31pm

re: #262 Sharmuta

A joke, that.

269 TMF  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:13:43pm

My problem with the Slimes isnt that they're pathetically biased Democrat hacks.

Its that they LIE about it

270 Cognito  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:13:56pm

re: #267 MrMom

Ha -- no photos! No photos, please!

271 Sifty  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:14:04pm

re: #265 loppyd

re: #258 Sifty

He's not married to her anymore....

She's the new Jenny Craig spokesperson, you know.

*hands over ears* LALALALALALALALALALA

272 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:14:14pm

re: #268 Cognito

Oh, sorry. Just pass me my smelling salts already.

273 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:14:28pm

re: #260 Cognito

re: #254 Lucius Septimius


re: #240 Occasional Reader

It can be very useful (re: the "vulva" article people complained about on a previous thread ; even if the photos are a bit shocking they give you a much better idea of the "architecture" than the Gray's Anatomy drawings).


That roar you hear is the sound of a mass LGF migration to Wikipedia.

Just out of curiosity (as I have vulva)...link this please.

274 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:14:36pm

Here's another shocker;
Abraham Lincoln (February 12, 1809 – April 15, 1865) was the sixteenth President of the United States, March 4, 1861 to April 15, 1865. As an outspoken opponent of the expansion of slavery and a political leader in the western states, he won the Republican Party nomination in 1860 and was elected president later that year. During his term, he helped preserve the United States by leading the defeat of the secessionist Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. He introduced measures that resulted in the abolition of slavery, issuing his Emancipation Proclamation in 1863 and promoting the passage of the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution in 1865

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275 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:14:51pm

re: #263 Dirk Diggler

Oh GAWD that's funny!

276 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:14:57pm

OT:
Karl Rove will appear on the Rush Limbaugh Show in his first post-resignation announcement interview tomorrow, Wednesday, at 1PM ET.

277 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:15:01pm
278 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:15:04pm

re: #263 Dirk Diggler

OR,

For instance, the only major fact missing from the Wiki entry on Adriana Lima is any mention of our torrid, off-again on-again romance.

From Wiki...
Lima has admitted that she was shy around boys when she was younger. She got her first kiss at 17 years old.[15] In an interview with GQ April 2006 issue, Lima told the magazine that she is a virgin.

Real torrid romance there, OR.


Just one word....Frotage

279 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:15:41pm

re: #273 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

LOL. All I saw was "massive vulva". I think I need some coffee.

/Just call me "Mulva"

280 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:15:54pm
281 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:16:13pm

I've never witnessed an industry, any industry, become as quickly obsolete as print newspaper. I got news for supporters - the only people keeping these things afloat are growing old very quickly. And there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

The New York Times is quickly running out of steam and sliding into horse and buggy infamy. And most of us are going to be there to watch your demise NYT, Time, and the rest of you maggots. Think about that assholes.

282 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:16:32pm

For instance, Wiki accurately assesses "Peacekeeper" as "a law enforcement organization in the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Fast Forward cartoon series".

283 loppyd  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:16:33pm

Tre: #279 WriterMom

re: #273 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

LOL. All I saw was "massive vulva". I think I need some coffee.

/Just call me "Mulva"


Delores.

284 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:16:33pm

re: #279 WriterMom

re: #273 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

LOL. All I saw was "massive vulva". I think I need some coffee.

/Just call me "Mulva"

Well, it was in scare quotes.

285 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:16:55pm

re: #280 taxfreekiller

I have to mention- you've been really funny today.

286 MrMom  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:16:58pm

re: #279 WriterMom

re: #273 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

LOL. All I saw was "massive vulva". I think I need some coffee.

/Just call me "Mulva"


Is your real name Delores?

287 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:17:12pm

re: #283 loppyd

Zactly. LOL.

288 daughter of patriots  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:17:18pm

Is there an equity research analyst covering old media? This is the leading indication pointing to a continued drop in earnings for the NYT.

289 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:17:29pm

re: #282 Occasional Reader

For instance, Wiki accurately assesses "Peacekeeper" as "a law enforcement organization in the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Fast Forward cartoon series".

Penis

290 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:17:34pm

re: #286 MrMom

I've created a MONSTER! Hahahahahaha.

291 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:17:46pm
292 MrMom  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:17:51pm

re: #283 loppyd

Jebus, your quick! beat me to it! lol

293 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:18:09pm

re: #263 Dirk Diggler

She was referring to all things Cognito.

294 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:18:30pm

re: #286 MrMom

re: #279 WriterMom


re: #273 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

LOL. All I saw was "massive vulva". I think I need some coffee.

/Just call me "Mulva"


Is your real name Delores?

What's with the Swedish car jokes?

295 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:18:32pm

O.R and Peacekeeper

I respectfully ask that you start the Road Show EARLIER in the day.

So there.

296 CaddyMan  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:18:37pm

The New York Times probably still can't figure out why their circulation and their revenue continues to decline. I love making money shorting their pathetic stock.

297 Cicero05  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:18:38pm

When is that stinking rag gonna fold?

298 Cognito  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:19:03pm

re: #281 goodbye_natalie

I've never witnessed an industry, any industry, become as quickly obsolete as print newspaper. I got news for supporters - the only people keeping these things afloat are growing old very quickly. And there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

The New York Times is quickly running out of steam and sliding into horse and buggy infamy. And most of us are going to be there to watch your demise NYT, Time, and the rest of you maggots. Think about that assholes.

It's not quite that simple, actually. The product -- news stories -- is just as useful as it ever was, but the delivery -- paper -- is quickly going obsolete. New distributors -- a term I use loosely -- like Google, etc etc etc, are making money hand over fist.

I wish I could say the internet is bringing an ideological revolution. It's not. The biggest political web sites are leftist, and hard at it.

299 Paratrooper  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:19:37pm

re: #184 MES41067

I'm thinking of getting the nyt just so the dog has something to go on.

I just make money by short selling the stock.... guarenteed profit!

300 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:19:40pm

re: #294 Peacekeeper

re: #286 MrMom


re: #279 WriterMom

re: #273 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
LOL. All I saw was "massive vulva". I think I need some coffee.

/Just call me "Mulva"


Is your real name Delores?

What's with the Swedish car jokes?


They're fun? The Swedes are easy? They're the new Polocks?

301 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:19:47pm

re: #294 Peacekeeper

LOL. Mulvas are so square, boxy and conservative.

302 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:19:54pm

re: #282 Occasional Reader

So, Crighton had nothing to worry about?! What the frell!?

303 bosforus  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:19:54pm

i think it's funny that [Link: wikiscanner.virgil.gr...] has a welcome to DailyKos and there's not even a thread about it. guess it shows how intertwined the right and left blogosphere are when it comes to reading each other's blogs

304 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:19:54pm
305 MrMom  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:20:14pm

re: #297 Cicero05

When is that stinking rag gonna fold?


If they'd market it in the ME, perhaps we could put the ol' left hand / right hand thing to rest for krissakes

306 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:20:43pm

Well, I'd say that this thread has come undone. Even if Lance isn't here.

307 TweetyPie  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:20:56pm

Truly amazing. I had no idea Wikipedia is such a load of junk.

308 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:21:19pm

And speaking of embarassing errors... much as I am a drooling Mark Steyn fanboy, I have to admit he let a real howler slip through here:

About a decade ago, Bill Clinton developed a favourite statistic--that every day in America 12 children died from gun violence. When one delved a little deeper into this, it turned out that 11.569 persons under the age of 20 died each day from gun violence....

Erm, I think that's supposed to read "each year". Otherwise, we're in big trouble.

309 MrMom  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:21:31pm

re: #300 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


One word....ABBA!

310 MES41067  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:21:44pm

re: #201 MandyManners

You have a good point the dog is to good to deserve that lol.

311 loppyd  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:21:45pm

re: #292 MrMom

re: #283 loppyd

Jebus, your quick! beat me to it! lol

I just got lucky...

We recently had a client named Delores so of course my brother (also boss) called her Mulva when she wasn't around.

312 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:21:45pm

re: #232 Pvt Bin Jammin

re: #217 WriterMom


re: #115 Peacekeeper

I wonder if CAIR messed with LGF?


I've been wondering, too. Atlas Shruggs had a piece on Sunday linking the two students with the pipe bombs in So Carolina to several others with terrorist ties. She said she had received hate mail from the same IP addresses that were registered to one of them.

CORRECTION TO MY POST- NOT CAIR BUT TROLLS USING ONE OF THESE GUYS IP ADDRESS, FROM 'ATLAS SHRUGS':

RAMADAN ABDULLA IS FBI MOST WANTED TERRORIST

Ramadan Abdullah Mohammad Shallah is wanted for conspiracy to conduct the affairs of the designated international terrorist organization known as the "Palestinian Islamic Jihad" (PIJ) through a pattern of racketeering activities such as bombings, murders, extortions, and money laundering. Shallah was one of the original founding members of the PIJ and is presently the Secretary-General and leader of the organization, which has its headquarters located in Damascus, Syria. He was listed as a "Specially Designated Terrorist" under United States law on November 27, 1995. Shallah was indicted in a 53 count indictment in the United States District Court, Middle District of Florida, Tampa, Florida.

RAMADAN ABDULLA SHALLAH used the fax number for the ISLAMIC ACADEMY OF FLORIDA as his contact number when he listed the 12402 PAMPAS PL TAMPA FL ADDRESS.

TARIK HAMDI used his HERNDON VA PHONE NUMBER when he listed the 12402 PAMPAS PL address in TAMPA FL. Funny, the location of all the IPs of my trolls (Duncan, Thrasher , Goldie et all) are Reston Va. Coincidence?

313 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:21:46pm

re: #258 Sifty

She used to be pretty hot IMHO, and could be again once she gets through the Jenny Craig program.

314 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:22:13pm

re: #255 Grondy

Here is another one from the NYT list of edits:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
An edit for Condoleezza Rice:


At age 15, Rice began classes with the goal of becoming a concert [[pianist]].

Was changed to:

At age 15, Rice began classes with the goal of becoming a concert penis.

I couldn't believe this so I checked your link and there it was! I'm always flabbergasted at just how mean-spirited and infantile some people can be.

315 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:22:16pm

re: #298 Cognito

re: #281 goodbye_natalie

I've never witnessed an industry, any industry, become as quickly obsolete as print newspaper. I got news for supporters - the only people keeping these things afloat are growing old very quickly. And there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

The New York Times is quickly running out of steam and sliding into horse and buggy infamy. And most of us are going to be there to watch your demise NYT, Time, and the rest of you maggots. Think about that assholes.

It's not quite that simple, actually. The product -- news stories -- is just as useful as it ever was, but the delivery -- paper -- is quickly going obsolete. New distributors -- a term I use loosely -- like Google, etc etc etc, are making money hand over fist.

I wish I could say the internet is bringing an ideological revolution. It's not. The biggest political web sites are leftist, and hard at it.

Digging their own demise as fast as they can. Kind of like.. "They Shoot Horses, Don't They..."

316 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:22:20pm

re: #301 WriterMom

re: #294 Peacekeeper

LOL. Mulvas are so square, boxy and conservative.


There's an image.

317 Cognito  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:22:26pm

re: #293 Occasional Reader

re: #263 Dirk Diggler

She was referring to all things Cognito.

I'll be the first to admit she and I only passionately snog, as our UK cousins say, frequently in public and always to the jealousy of more -- ahem -- occasional acquaintances.

318 bosforus  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:22:58pm

i'm waiting on this one
[Link: wikiscanner.virgil.gr...]

319 bosforus  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:23:18pm

re: #318 bosforus

the dnc

320 vxbush  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:23:34pm

I'm afraid to join the thread again; I might get poked with a stick somewhere.


re: #302 lawhawk

Ah, I see you've been visiting Ella.

321 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:24:37pm
322 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:25:32pm

Infantile! Thank goodness for blogs

323 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:25:58pm

re: #317 Cognito

re: #293 Occasional Reader


re: #263 Dirk Diggler

She was referring to all things Cognito.


I'll be the first to admit she and I only passionately snog, as our UK cousins say, frequently in public and always to the jealousy of more -- ahem -- occasional acquaintances.

Penis

324 Attaboid  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:26:45pm

re: #278 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Wouldn't that be frottage? With two tt's?

325 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:27:11pm

re: #314 reine.de.tout

re: #255 Grondy


Here is another one from the NYT list of edits:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
An edit for Condoleezza Rice:



At age 15, Rice began classes with the goal of becoming a concert [[pianist]].

Was changed to:

At age 15, Rice began classes with the goal of becoming a concert penis.

I couldn't believe this so I checked your link and there it was! I'm always flabbergasted at just how mean-spirited and infantile some people can be.


I want to know what it is exactly that a concert penis does.

326 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:27:32pm

re: #324 Attaboid

re: #278 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Wouldn't that be frottage? With two tt's?

Yes, it would. Thanks!

327 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:28:05pm

I want to know what it is exactly that a concert penis does.

Well, you'd have to ask a Maestro...

328 NoSubmission  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:28:18pm

How can you trust news from a paper that even lies about the books on their god-almighty best seller list.

329 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:28:33pm

Who's Delores, and what do she and her vulva have to do with Wiki? (I dozed off for a few moments.)

330 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:28:35pm

re: #327 Peacekeeper

I want to know what it is exactly that a concert penis does.

Well, you'd have to ask a Maestro...

Dirk? Care to enlighten me?

331 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:28:40pm

Ah, so it's frottage again?

332 vxbush  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:28:42pm

Why is someone at Microsoft editing an entry about Sharon Stone?

Methinks Bill knows something.

333 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:28:44pm

re: #298 Cognito

It's not quite that simple, actually...

I disagree and stand by my point. It's very simple. The stock price is down, their assets depreciating, circulation dropping, readership quickly growing old, and their revenue stream sinking as we speak. That is the most classic Wall Street definition of imminent failure and a textbook case of any MBA program.

Google may be making money but they are a very different breed of lib from the old, fat cats of the NYT and Madison Ave. This very much parallels the 80s with IBM (the old) and Microsoft (the new). They may have a common enemy (us) but that is a very different battle and a very different type of competitor.

334 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:29:01pm

OR,

She was referring to all things Cognito.

"That's all right, OR. You can trust me. No one has to know your problem.

No one has to know your impotent..."

(Closes eyes and snaps fingers)

/Obscure

335 MrMom  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:29:07pm

re: #325 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #314 reine.de.tout


re: #255 Grondy

Here is another one from the NYT list of edits:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
An edit for Condoleezza Rice:



At age 15, Rice began classes with the goal of becoming a concert [[pianist]].

Was changed to:

At age 15, Rice began classes with the goal of becoming a concert penis.

I couldn't believe this so I checked your link and there it was! I'm always flabbergasted at just how mean-spirited and infantile some people can be.

I want to know what it is exactly that a concert penis does.


Not sure, but it arrives at Carnegie Hall in a Mulva.

336 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:29:27pm

re: #331 Ward Cleaver

Ah, so it's frottage again?


Frottage can be fun! Don't diss frottage.

337 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:29:28pm

re: #329 MandyManners

Who's Delores, and what do she and her vulva have to do with Wiki? (I dozed off for a few moments.)

"Oh, Dolores!"

/it was a seinfeld episode

338 Attaboid  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:29:31pm

re: #326 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

You didn't get the (attempted) joke.
;)

339 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:29:44pm
340 MrMom  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:30:01pm

re: #329 MandyManners

Who's Delores, and what do she and her vulva have to do with Wiki? (I dozed off for a few moments.)


Seinfeld reference. NTTAWWT

341 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:30:01pm
342 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:30:08pm
Wouldn't that be frottage? With two tt's?

No, it's "frotage", which is the act of rubbing one's self against French cheese.

343 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:30:16pm

re: #335 MrMom

re: #325 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


re: #314 reine.de.tout

re: #255 Grondy

Here is another one from the NYT list of edits:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
An edit for Condoleezza Rice:



At age 15, Rice began classes with the goal of becoming a concert [[pianist]].

Was changed to:

At age 15, Rice began classes with the goal of becoming a concert penis.

I couldn't believe this so I checked your link and there it was! I'm always flabbergasted at just how mean-spirited and infantile some people can be.

I want to know what it is exactly that a concert penis does.

Not sure, but it arrives at Carnegie Hall in a Mulva.

I just choked on something.

344 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:30:58pm

re: #338 Attaboid

re: #326 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

You didn't get the (attempted) joke.
;)

Well if it has anything to do with Seinfeld, then no wonder.

345 Cognito  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:31:29pm

re: #333 goodbye_natalie

re: #298 Cognito

It's not quite that simple, actually...
I disagree and stand by my point. It's very simple. The stock price is down, their assets depreciating, circulation dropping, readership quickly growing old, and their revenue stream sinking as we speak. That is the most classic Wall Street definition of imminent failure and a textbook case of any MBA program.

Google may be making money but they are a very different breed of lib from the old, fat cats of the NYT and Madison Ave. This very much parallels the 80s with IBM (the old) and Microsoft (the new). They may have a common enemy (us) but that is a very different battle and a very different type of competitor.

You were previously addressing 'the industry' of print newspaper, instead of only the NYTimes, and so I was talking about the industry as a whole. My point was that while the 'paper' portion of the industry is quickly sinking, the 'news' part is not.

346 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:31:36pm

What do The Flintstones have to do with frottage?

347 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:31:38pm

re: #325 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #314 reine.de.tout


re: #255 Grondy

I want to know what it is exactly that a concert penis does.

I'm not nearly creative enough to figure it out, but I can't wait to see the answers!

348 MrMom  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:31:40pm

re: #339 Peacekeeper

[Link: www.youtube.com...]


Penis

349 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:32:12pm

re: #335 MrMom

but it arrives at Carnegie Hall in a Mulva.

"Practice!"

Ah, wrong punchline.

350 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:32:26pm

I guess the dinosaur's neck could be phallic.

351 MrMom  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:32:29pm

re: #342 Occasional Reader

Wouldn't that be frottage? With two tt's?

No, it's "frotage", which is the act of rubbing one's self against French cheese.


LOL. I was just headed there!

352 Attaboid  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:32:42pm

re: #344 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I ain't goin to explain it. It was pretty lame but not Seinfeld.

Two tt's.

353 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:32:48pm

re: #346 Ward Cleaver

What do The Flintstones have to do with frottage?

I think its in reference to everyone crammed into the car for the trip to the drive in?

354 zmdavid  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:32:58pm

re: #343 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I just choked on something.

Where's the Heimlich button?

355 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:33:13pm

re: #343 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I just choked on something.


This is not necessarily the line you want to drop when discussing "concert penis".

356 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:33:56pm

re: #355 Occasional Reader

re: #343 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


I just choked on something.

This is not necessarily the line you want to drop when discussing "concert penis".


heh heh heh

357 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:34:07pm
358 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:34:12pm

it arrives at Carnegie Hall in a Mulva.

LOL. The model with tushie warmers I hope...

359 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:34:22pm

re: #353 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #346 Ward Cleaver


What do The Flintstones have to do with frottage?

I think its in reference to everyone crammed into the car for the trip to the drive in?

I thought it was about Fred sliding down that dino-crane's tail. Doesn't he look a little too happy?

360 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:34:33pm

re: #337 Ward Cleaver

re: #340 MrMom

Thank you. I never got into Seinfeld.

361 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:34:38pm
362 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:34:45pm

Lately I've been watching The Flintstones on Boomerang. Very entertaining.

363 MrMom  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:35:15pm

AND ON THAT NOTE....exit stage left. Play nice lizards. Thanks for the smiles this afternoon (greatly neede1)

364 Cognito  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:35:26pm

re: #356 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #355 Occasional Reader

re: #343 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I just choked on something.

This is not necessarily the line you want to drop when discussing "concert penis".

heh heh heh

Got to say, for a thread that started out accusing someone using a NYTimes computer to perpetrate acts of great childishness, we've arrived at an ironic place...

365 Utah Chris  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:35:39pm

re: #173 lvrick

I just fell out of my chair laughing.

366 loppyd  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:35:53pm

Later, MrMom!

367 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:35:59pm

re: #362 Ward Cleaver

Lately I've been watching The Flintstones on Boomerang. Very entertaining.

And the theme music is completely different. Maybe because they're episodes from 1960.

368 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:36:10pm

I just read the entire Wiki article on G.W.Bush. Damn. Looks like the NYT wrote the entire article. Unbiased it is not. When have allegations and innuendos ever been considered as proper material for an encyclopedia article? More than a few of the citations would not be accepted by the average professor as legitimate citations. Although not as slanted as an article written by a writer suffering from BDS, it is nonetheless quite slanted unfavorably. Oh well, I guess it actually reflects more on the writers than on G.W.Bush.

369 MrMom  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:36:43pm

#363 me
PIMF needed

370 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:37:03pm

re: #355 Occasional Reader

Bwa. Ha. Ha.

Must refrain, once again from extreme vulvulgarity now....

371 sifty  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:37:43pm

re: #127 MattMacD

Seems like it's a guy named Nick Bilton, judging by a change he made to the New York Times wiki page... and the many changes he made to the Nick Bolton page.
Well, just a guess.
This guy.

Wasn't he in the picture of the RonPaulians from the other day?

372 Sponge  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:38:30pm
Got to say, for a thread that started out accusing someone using a NYTimes computer to perpetrate acts of great childishness, we've arrived at an ironic place...


At what point did you totally miss the PROOF PROVIDED in the thread topic that it WAS ACTUALLY some AT the nyt that perpetrated the acts of great childishness?

You continue to amaze, oh mighty media apologist.

373 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:38:59pm
374 infidel4ever  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:39:05pm

I lost faith in Wikipedia when I read the entry on the Barbary pirates, first the English language version, then the Dutch one. Somehow the Dutch entry did not have a single word on American involvement in ending the Barbary piracy. "To the shores of Tripoli" never happened in the Dutch entry.

375 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:41:24pm

When I read Cognito's stuff, I'm reminded of Vladimir Posner.

376 loppyd  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:42:00pm

Time to make the troops some dinner.

See you all later!

377 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:42:02pm

re: #364 Cognito

re: #356 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #355 Occasional Reader
re: #343 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I just choked on something.

This is not necessarily the line you want to drop when discussing "concert penis".

heh heh heh
Got to say, for a thread that started out accusing someone using a NYTimes computer to perpetrate acts of great childishness, we've arrived at an ironic place...

At Carnegie Hall in a Mulva?

378 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:42:27pm

re: #376 loppyd

Time to make the troops some dinner.

See you all later!

Dinner? Yum!

379 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:42:42pm

re: #364 Cognito

re: #356 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #355 Occasional Reader
re: #343 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I just choked on something.

This is not necessarily the line you want to drop when discussing "concert penis".

heh heh heh
Got to say, for a thread that started out accusing someone using a NYTimes computer to perpetrate acts of great childishness, we've arrived at an ironic place...

At Carnegie Hall... in a Mulva?

380 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:42:42pm

DAN RATHER on FoxNEws right now.

381 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:43:53pm

re: #364 Cognito

Got to say, for a thread that started out accusing someone using a NYTimes computer to perpetrate acts of great childishness, we've arrived at an ironic place...

Now you can tell the difference between someone childlishly attempting to electronically scrawl "pee pee poo poo" in an encylopedia entry, and a round of joking among acquaintances, right?

382 sifty  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:44:04pm

re: #372 Sponge

Got to say, for a thread that started out accusing someone using a NYTimes computer to perpetrate acts of great childishness, we've arrived at an ironic place...


At what point did you totally miss the PROOF PROVIDED in the thread topic that it WAS ACTUALLY some AT the nyt that perpetrated the acts of great childishness?

You continue to amaze, oh mighty media apologist.

"We came, we saw, we kicked their ass." - Peter Venkman
" We stayed around to laugh at them for a while afterwards." -LGF

Since it took us only a few seconds to discredit the Treason Times again, I agree with you that it's only fair to stay and have some s'mores afterwards.

383 Richard Romano  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:44:39pm

Pure juvenile -- NYT's sad and pathetic bias on display, again. This is why their stock has plummeted, along with their readership. It is written:

"He who troubles his own house will inherit the wind" (Proverbs 11).

384 TMF  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:44:47pm

#364 Cognito

Got to say, for a thread that started out accusing someone using a NYTimes computer to perpetrate acts of great childishness, we've arrived at an ironic place...

Actually, we weren't criticizing the NY Times guy for "childishness"

We were criticizing the NY TImes, an ostensibly "unbiased" news outlet for the unequivocal and damning proof of raving loon BIAS uncovered by Charles

Whoops!

385 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:48:05pm

re: #333 goodbye_natalie

You were previously addressing 'the industry' of print newspaper, instead of only the NYTimes, and so I was talking about the industry as a whole. My point was that while the 'paper' portion of the industry is quickly sinking, the 'news' part is not.

Advertising dollars make any media based of circulation numbers or readership. Google's day will come...they will quickly mature and we be battling them 10 years from now with rival competitors from the right. I'm surprised that this hasn't been done more quickly. Probably because Google's main competition also leans left.

The New York Times will become the "New Yorker" and Time and Newsweak will become checkout material like "The Globe."

Frank Rich, Maureen, Jonathan Alter and the rest of the maggots will retire rich. But their legacy will be one of failure. They'll find their reputations tarnished for historical purposes - and well earned, I might add.

386 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:50:49pm

If this escalates like the Reuters Islamist death-threat emails, we may need to add a "Visitors from NYT" counter on the main page.

387 jcm  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:52:02pm

Damn, go to the lab for a while and the thread train wreaks.

Oh! Hell! I'm in.

Frottage is what a concert penist practices.

388 mungagungadin  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:52:54pm

re: #84 Bill Amos

I always knew they were traitors. That's incredible.

"sought comment" my ass

389 Rashomon  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:54:22pm

Is this anywhere near as bad as John Gibson of FAUX NUWS saying we need another 9/11? Bush is an idiot - most would agree.

390 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:54:40pm

I'm getting annoyed. 1006 mb central pressure, winds indicating a closed circulation in Tropical Disturbance 91L. Should be TD #5 in 10 minutes, right?


Except the top winds measured by recon are only 15 mph.

Chaps my hide.


But it'll rain tomorrow night in Corpus Christi, TX..

391 Sifty  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:55:59pm

A concert penisist is very similar to a concert pianist, but the arena is usually smaller, nobody mentions the word "scalping" related to tickets, and smoking is allowed only after the performance.

392 blackpajamas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:57:54pm

Ah, such wonderful history, courtesy of the Encylopedia of Mob Rule™

(cur) (last) 18:11, 28 June 2007 Charles Johnsons Wang (Talk | contribs) (18,788 bytes) (undo)

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

"Little Green Footballs (LGF) is a political crapfest run by California web designer Charles Johnson. The goal of the blog is to be a partisan hack job echo chamber, which functions by deleting any comments Johnson doesn't agree with and banning the user instantly for disagreeing with the psychotic narcissistic nimrod."

393 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:58:15pm

re: #389 Rashomon

Bush is an idiot - most would agree.


Why? Most? Of educated, mature adults? Idiot is a pretty strong word. But then he is POTUS, and you are .........what?

394 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 1:59:21pm

re: #389 Rashomon

Is this anywhere near as bad as John Gibson of FAUX NUWS saying we need another 9/11? Bush is an idiot - most would agree.

Excuse me?

395 Sponge  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:00:34pm

re: #382 sifty

"The flowers are still standing....."

396 bucephalas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:01:00pm

re: #385 goodbye_natalie

re: #333 goodbye_natalie


You were previously addressing 'the industry' of print newspaper, instead of only the NYTimes, and so I was talking about the industry as a whole. My point was that while the 'paper' portion of the industry is quickly sinking, the 'news' part is not.

Advertising dollars make any media based of circulation numbers or readership. Google's day will come...they will quickly mature and we be battling them 10 years from now with rival competitors from the right. I'm surprised that this hasn't been done more quickly. Probably because Google's main competition also leans left.

The New York Times will become the "New Yorker" and Time and Newsweak will become checkout material like "The Globe."

Frank Rich, Maureen, Jonathan Alter and the rest of the maggots will retire rich. But their legacy will be one of failure. They'll find their reputations tarnished for historical purposes - and well earned, I might add.

The newspaper industry is in dire trouble and most probably won't survive. Their revenue streams are quickly disappearing (classified ads and adverts for cars and groceries). They're losing out to the likes of craigs list and google. Some will try to make it as a freebie but most will fall by the wayside. The other media outlet on the way to extinction is the nightly network news. No one under 30 gets their news from television anymore. In 15-20 years both print newspapers and evening newscasts will have gone the way of the dodo bird. Just today I saw the headline on NY Newsday about researchers at Cold Spring Harbor laboratory finding the genetic root cause of autism. I didn't but the paper, I went to work and read it on line for free. There will soon be many ex-journalists working at Home Depot....

397 Sifty  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:01:17pm

re: #393 Outrider

re: #389 Rashomon

Bush is an idiot - most would agree.

All the most biting rapier wit comes from Grammas basement.
Everyone knows that Fighter Interceptor pilot / Yale Graduates are total morons!

/need I?

398 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:01:33pm

re: #391 Sifty

A concert penisist is very similar to a concert pianist, but the arena is usually smaller, nobody mentions the word "scalping" related to tickets, and smoking is allowed only after the performance.

LOL. I knew SOMEBODY would come up with it!

399 Sifty  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:04:59pm

re: #398 reine.de.tout

re: #391 Sifty

A concert penisist is very similar to a concert pianist, but the arena is usually smaller, nobody mentions the word "scalping" related to tickets, and smoking is allowed only after the performance.

LOL. I knew SOMEBODY would come up with it!


I AM SOMEBODY- Navin R. Johnson

400 jcm  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:06:04pm

re: #397 Sifty

re: #393 Outrider

re: #389 Rashomon

Bush is an idiot - most would agree.

All the most biting rapier wit comes from Grammas basement.
Everyone knows that Fighter Interceptor pilot / Yale Graduates are total morons!

/need I?

Fighter Interceptor Pilot / Yale Grad / Harvard MBA

What's the congressional score of the D's vs. Bush?

401 Rashomon  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:06:05pm

Outride
Why? Most? Of educated, mature adults? Idiot is a pretty strong word. But then he is POTUS, and you are .........what?

Yes, most 'educated mature adults' would agree. That's an easy one. Does being the POTUS somehow exclude someone from being an idiot? Yeah, didn't think so.

402 Buckeye Abroad  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:06:37pm

#209 jcm

"Any report of a famine in Russia is today an exaggeration or malignant propaganda."
--New York Times, August 23, 1933

The Ukraine never has forgotten those crimes.

403 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:06:48pm
404 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:06:55pm

Hi, Navin. Looks like everybody's gone on to the next topic. I've got school pick-up duty. Glad I saw your definition before I left.

405 Sponge  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:07:15pm

re: #399 Sifty

re: #398 reine.de.tout


re: #391 Sifty

A concert penisist is very similar to a concert pianist, but the arena is usually smaller, nobody mentions the word "scalping" related to tickets, and smoking is allowed only after the performance.

LOL. I knew SOMEBODY would come up with it!

I AM SOMEBODY- Navin R. Johnson

As opposed to this guy.......

406 Sponge  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:10:02pm

re: #401 Rashomon

Outride
Why? Most? Of educated, mature adults? Idiot is a pretty strong word. But then he is POTUS, and you are .........what?

Yes, most 'educated mature adults' would agree. That's an easy one. Does being the POTUS somehow exclude someone from being an idiot? Yeah, didn't think so.

I'm just curious as to the chain of events that lead you to belive that GWB is an idiot and what your example of a non-idiot president is?

407 jcm  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:11:30pm

re: #402 Buckeye Abroad

#209 jcm

"Any report of a famine in Russia is today an exaggeration or malignant propaganda."
--New York Times, August 23, 1933

The Ukraine never has forgotten those crimes.

We should teach the history, and never forget the NYT's complicity.

408 Cognito  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:14:15pm

re: #375 Ward Cleaver

When I read Cognito's stuff, I'm reminded of Vladimir Posner.

That's a pretty serious thing to say. Why, exactly, do you feel that way?

409 Rashomon  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:15:57pm

Forgive me. Mark Twain clears up the defintion:
"Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself."
The POTUS must be something else. Maybe dimwit, dunce, fool, halfwit, ignoramus, nincompoop, ninny, nitwit, simpleton?
Any will do.
Although I'm sure he's a nice guy.... We just want him to go away, go home and watch TV or something and let the Democrats take over. [wink]

410 Cognito  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:18:37pm

re: #396 bucephalas

re: #385 goodbye_natalie

re: #333 goodbye_natalie

You were previously addressing 'the industry' of print newspaper, instead of only the NYTimes, and so I was talking about the industry as a whole. My point was that while the 'paper' portion of the industry is quickly sinking, the 'news' part is not.

Advertising dollars make any media based of circulation numbers or readership. Google's day will come...they will quickly mature and we be battling them 10 years from now with rival competitors from the right. I'm surprised that this hasn't been done more quickly. Probably because Google's main competition also leans left.The New York Times will become the "New Yorker" and Time and Newsweak will become checkout material like "The Globe."

Frank Rich, Maureen, Jonathan Alter and the rest of the maggots will retire rich. But their legacy will be one of failure. They'll find their reputations tarnished for historical purposes - and well earned, I might add.

The newspaper industry is in dire trouble and most probably won't survive. Their revenue streams are quickly disappearing (classified ads and adverts for cars and groceries). They're losing out to the likes of craigs list and google. Some will try to make it as a freebie but most will fall by the wayside. The other media outlet on the way to extinction is the nightly network news. No one under 30 gets their news from television anymore. In 15-20 years both print newspapers and evening newscasts will have gone the way of the dodo bird. Just today I saw the headline on NY Newsday about researchers at Cold Spring Harbor laboratory finding the genetic root cause of autism. I didn't but the paper, I went to work and read it on line for free. There will soon be many ex-journalists working at Home Depot....

You're only supporting my point that the paper aspect of newspapers is dying, but that the news part -- the product, as opposed to the mere delivery -- will always survive. It doesn't matter where people "under 30" get their news -- it matters that they're getting it.

411 Rashomon  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:20:33pm

#406 Sponge

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln. All not idiots. Most other Presidents have the idiot syndrome. It's not about Democrats or Republicans. It's about the abuse of power. Oh and one need not take the word 'idiot' literally. There is room there for simply saying, 'he ain't the smartest cookie we've had in the White House'.

412 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:20:58pm
We just want him to go away, go home and watch TV or something and let the Democrats take over.

You mean certified geniuses like Barack "President of Canada" Hussein Obama?

413 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:21:21pm

re: #401 Rashomon


Yes, most 'educated mature adults' would agree. That's an easy one. Does being the POTUS somehow exclude someone from being an idiot? Yeah, didn't think so.


Is it break time at Starbucks?

414 Cognito  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:21:34pm

re: #411 Rashomon

#406 Sponge

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln. All not idiots. Most other Presidents have the idiot syndrome. It's not about Democrats or Republicans. It's about the abuse of power. Oh and one need not take the word 'idiot' literally. There is room there for simply saying, 'he ain't the smartest cookie we've had in the White House'.

I wonder if any of those gents could get elected today. I think not, I'm afraid.

415 Buckeye Abroad  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:23:25pm

#407 jcm

We should teach the history, and never forget the NYT's complicity.

Brother, I plan too. I will spend another 5 years in international finance and then seek a job as a public school history teacher in Ohio. I will have no dependence on a paycheck or fear the NEA when I teach.

416 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:23:52pm

re: #410 Cognito

You're only supporting my point that the paper aspect of newspapers is dying, but that the news part -- the product, as opposed to the mere delivery -- will always survive. It doesn't matter where people "under 30" get their news -- it matters that they're getting it.

Tell that to the shareholders of the companies that provide the representation of the news, no matter the media type. I doubt they would agree with you, including Google.

417 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:24:08pm

re: #411 Rashomon

#406 Sponge

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln. All not idiots. Most other Presidents have the idiot syndrome. It's not about Democrats or Republicans. It's about the abuse of power. Oh and one need not take the word 'idiot' literally. There is room there for simply saying, 'he ain't the smartest cookie we've had in the White House'.

Well, I think it would interesting to compare the academic accomplishments of Dubya and....let's see.....yourself?
Or maybe a citation on your "he ain't the smartest cookie" remark.
And no, NYTs and MSM are not usually citations.

418 Cognito  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:25:06pm

re: #416 goodbye_natalie

re: #410 Cognito

You're only supporting my point that the paper aspect of newspapers is dying, but that the news part -- the product, as opposed to the mere delivery -- will always survive. It doesn't matter where people "under 30" get their news -- it matters that they're getting it.
Tell that to the shareholders of the companies that provide the representation of the news, no matter the media type. I doubt they would agree with you, including Google.

It's just a matter of sorting out distribution. Are you saying people no longer read about what's happening around the world?

419 acacia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:25:16pm

Just checked out the entry for Bush and I can't believe how biased it is in general. The wikipedia idea might be good for general subjects but it sure misses the mark when it comes to politics or anything controversial.

420 Cognito  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:26:50pm

Goodbye Natalie,

Distribution, I'll say further, is a BIG deal -- it's the bottleneck through which everything must pass. But it's distribution we're talking about, nonetheless.

421 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:27:30pm

re: #401 Rashomon

Yes, most 'educated mature adults' would agree. That's an easy one. Does being the POTUS somehow exclude someone from being an idiot? Yeah, didn't think so.


I'm glad you concede the first point.
Yes, being POTUS would by definition exclude one from being an idiot. It doesn't exclude one from making mistakes, nor being unable to please everyone, much less those that are politically opposed to that administrations platform to start with.

422 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:29:43pm

re: #409 Rashomon

Yes, most 'educated mature adults' would agree. That's an easy one. Does being the POTUS somehow exclude someone from being an idiot? Yeah, didn't think so.

And therein is the key. GWBush is not a Democrat, ergo he is an idiot. Easy once you know how Rashomons' logic works. If he was a Democrat, all would be alright with the world. Interesting.

423 jcm  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:34:37pm

re: #415 Buckeye Abroad

#407 jcm

We should teach the history, and never forget the NYT's complicity.

Brother, I plan too. I will spend another 5 years in international finance and then seek a job as a public school history teacher in Ohio. I will have no dependence on a paycheck or fear the NEA when I teach.

Good for you, lot of work to undo, lot of work to do.
Good luck.

424 Render  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:36:09pm

Interesting.

I'm considered somewhat educated, mature, and adult. And I disagree with the premise that W is an idiot.

I also wonder at about a nic thats been registered since '04, yet has less than 100 total comments.

SOMEWHAT,
R

425 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:39:07pm

re: #424 Render
The usual working definition of "idiot" is anyone that doesn't think or do as the person speaking wants.

426 jcm  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:42:25pm

Let's see.

Yale Grad.
Harvard MBA.
Qualified Interceptor Pilot (F-102 a bitch of an airplane).
Elected Gov.
Reelected by landslide.
Elected Pres.
Reelected.

It is impossible for anyone with that type of resume to be an idiot.

I doubt the same can be said for anyone who would make can claim.

427 Cognito  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:42:33pm

re: #424 Render

Interesting.

I'm considered somewhat educated, mature, and adult. And I disagree with the premise that W is an idiot.

I also wonder at about a nic thats been registered since '04, yet has less than 100 total comments.

SOMEWHAT,
R

The sign-offs still crack me up, Render. Always clever.

428 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:43:14pm

re: #418 Cognito

It's just a matter of sorting out distribution. Are you saying people no longer read about what's happening around the world?

Either I am a very poor communicator or you have a reading comprehension problem because you continue to misconstrue about everything I've posted. I said nothing of the sort - news is bigger than ever, probably for all age groups.

But people are not willing to pay for it like they once were. Are you arguing that they will? Because I would be more than happy to place a little bet that you're wrong.

The biggest expense to obtaining news anymore for most folks is the fee you pay to access the gateway.

429 Sponge  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:44:00pm

re: #417 mondoreb

re: #411 Rashomon


#406 Sponge

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln. All not idiots. Most other Presidents have the idiot syndrome. It's not about Democrats or Republicans. It's about the abuse of power. Oh and one need not take the word 'idiot' literally. There is room there for simply saying, 'he ain't the smartest cookie we've had in the White House'.


Well, I think it would interesting to compare the academic accomplishments of Dubya and....let's see.....yourself?
Or maybe a citation on your "he ain't the smartest cookie" remark.
And no, NYTs and MSM are not usually citations.

I'm still wondering the thought process behind that whole montage. How can you compare a living president and his actions / idiocy with presidents of a time that you were not alive to hear them speak, see their demeanor and see how they reacted in a public environment. GWB must be a pretty smart idiot to be the most powerful person on the planet and the leader of the free world. We should only strive to be such an idiot.

430 Sponge  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:48:16pm

ALL THAT being said, do I agree with his policies? Not all......am I happy with him as a president currently? Not really, when it comes to the border and national security. I'm lovin the economy right now, the tax cuts are my friend and I think he is doing the right thing when it comes to taking the WOT to the enemy and not waiting around for the next attack on US soil.

I don't even think clinton was an idiot.......Jackass? Yes.....but no idiot. Even carter didn't gain that extinction, really until after he got booted for being a bad president.

431 jcm  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:51:26pm

re: #430 Sponge

Even Carter isn't an idiot, bubble head with a nuc badge, gov, President. Not an idiot, just very misguided and foolish.

432 peck  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:52:24pm

re: #389 Rashomon

I believe someone was wondering when the trolls would show up on this thread. Better late than never.
This has been great fun...on to new heights of keyboarding. (keyboarding=Troll induced spewing causing massive new purchases of keyboards/monitors by lizards.)

433 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:53:00pm
434 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:54:03pm

re: #430 Sponge

Yep....I agree.
I'm not happy with many of his policies, but on several large ones, he got it right for me.

even..clinton was (not) an idiot.......Jackass? Yes
EXACTLY.

Carter was just a reflection of the Democratic mass retreat from Viet Nam.
I lived through it.
The de-regulation of the Airlines was the only thing with which I agreed with Carter.

435 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:59:26pm

There will never be a time when any given person is totally satisfied with any candidate simply by virtue of the Internet. Within moments, everyone has access to every statement, every mistake, every foible of any public figure. With access to all previous comments, comparisons can be made and contradictions found. With such easy, rapid access more citizens, as well as reporters can query the political figures as to their views on any subject and have the responses instantly posted.
This has never happened before. The Presidents in the 19th century and previous were virtually unknown by the average citizen who didn't even know what the politicians looked like, unless they lived close by. The citizens got prepared speeches printed in the paper much later than the actual speech.
TV and radio changed that significantly, but their opinions still consisted of canned speeches for the most part and soft pedaled questions by the press. This started to change with RMNixon when hardball questioning started to occur.
The Internet as I said, changed the entire playing field.

436 Wicksy  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 2:59:33pm

I posted some interesting Wikipedia edits from BBC IP addresses in the other thread, but everyone seems to be in this thread now. So here's my post... well worth a quick look!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

437 Michael_K  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 3:19:20pm

Wait, why are we surprised exactly? Democraps resorting to petty vandalism and thuggery when the world doesn't see things their way... this ain't exactly a new tactic in their arsenal.

438 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 3:29:19pm

Or you can check out what an obvious Ron Paul supporter edited in the Wiki page for Tom Delay

439 thefourthwall  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 3:46:05pm

What media bias? There is no Ron Paul media bias! There is no Ron Paul media bias! There is no Ron Paul media bias!

440 Buckeye Abroad  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 4:10:37pm

#426 jcm

It is impossible for anyone with that type of resume to be an idiot.

I have been pointing out the same facts for years and yet most won't give up on their spoon fed media opinions about the man. Havard MBA grad and fighter pilot.....good G-d the guy is a walking John Wayne.

441 Cognito  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 5:35:22pm

re: #428 goodbye_natalie

re: #418 Cognito

It's just a matter of sorting out distribution. Are you saying people no longer read about what's happening around the world?
Either I am a very poor communicator or you have a reading comprehension problem because you continue to misconstrue about everything I've posted. I said nothing of the sort - news is bigger than ever, probably for all age groups.

But people are not willing to pay for it like they once were. Are you arguing that they will? Because I would be more than happy to place a little bet that you're wrong.

The biggest expense to obtaining news anymore for most folks is the fee you pay to access the gateway.

No need to get snippy. And I do not, I promise, have a reading comprehension.

The problem is not whether people will continue to pay for news -- someone will pay for it, whether directly or through looking at advertisments. The problem is whether people will be paid to generate news copy.

Real news gathering isn't easy, and no one wants to do it for free.

Now if we continue this conversation, please do try to do it without insults.

442 Cognito  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 5:37:18pm

re: #441 Cognito

Should be "And I do not, I promise, have a reading comprehension problem."

Apparently my replying comprehension skills are far worse.

443 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 5:56:20pm

re: #441 Cognito

Now if we continue this conversation, please do try to do it without insults.

You're easily insulted then. And a little pious, I might add. If you get your feelings hurt easily, LGF isn't the place to carry on a debate. Need a reminder it was your response about how "it's not quite that simple" which was a patronizing response in itself?

Real news gathering isn't easy, and no one wants to do it for free

It's not rocket science either, unless it is about rocket science.

Shareholders of companies demand a payback on their capital, print media is going to the dogs, and biased news is getting ready to find out it's not worth what it once was paid, Google or not. The gravy train is over.

You want to take that bet?

And they'll be plenty of young journalism majors out there more than happy to take a lessor salary if some of the prima donnas complain they aren't receiving what think they're worth. That's good for your industry since you seem to have a personal vested interest.

444 TMF  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:26:26pm

Further proof that the inmates are running the asylum

445 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:10:21pm

re: #443 goodbye_natalie

The other problem, of course is: will the new blood be able to overcome the far left bias drilled into them by the liberal professors teaching at most journalist schools?

I keep hoping and praying that something comes along to deal a deathblow to liberalism as a going concern in the USA, that something happens which so utterly wrecks the credibility of all liberals that no one will ever take them seriously again, and everyone now looks at all liberals as total crackpot losers.

446 Carolyn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:17:40pm

Where are the grown-ups?

Really this reminds me of 14 yr olds.

447 Cognito  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:32:07pm

re: #443 goodbye_natalie

re: #441 Cognito

You're easily insulted then. And a little pious, I might add. If you get your feelings hurt easily, LGF isn't the place to carry on a debate.
Don't assume. You didn't -- and probably couldn't -- hurt my feelings. But manners are nice.

Need a reminder it was your response about how "it's not quite that simple" which was a patronizing response in itself?

Real news gathering isn't easy, and no one wants to do it for free
It's not rocket science either, unless it is about rocket science.
No, of course it's not rocket science. Which is why journalists generally make crap for money. Nobody, though, will work for nothing. They might dabble, take up the hobby, etc, but work is work is work.

Shareholders of companies demand a payback on their capital, print media is going to the dogs, and biased news is getting ready to find out it's not worth what it once was paid, Google or not. The gravy train is over.

Biased news... what? Who said anything about bias? We were talking about market forces. If you want to talk bias, you've stumbled into a whole new arena. And in that arena, unfortunately, the liberals are trumping the convervatives. That's why their blogs are bigger.


You want to take that bet?

Um, what bet? That the news industry -- that is, the collection and distribution of news stories -- will collapse? Sure. I'll take that bet. People will always want to know what's happening in the world.

And they'll be plenty of young journalism majors out there more than happy to take a lessor salary if some of the prima donnas complain they aren't receiving what think they're worth.

Newsflash: There aren't lessor salaries that what entry-level journalists make. It's hardly more than minimum wage, most places.


That's good for your industry since you seem to have a personal vested interest.

Not sure what your point is there. Feel free to elaborate.
448 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:14:54pm

re: #447 Cognito

Don't assume. You didn't -- and probably couldn't -- hurt my feelings. But manners are nice.

This is where I could insert something about taking one's own advice, but I'll pass.

If you want to talk bias, you've stumbled into a whole new arena. And in that arena, unfortunately, the liberals are trumping the convervatives. That's why their blogs are bigger.

Baloney. They're bigger because they have no other option to vent. Show me somebody bigger than Drudge - he's accused of being conservative, isn't he? They're getting wiped in cable news (the new TV media). Talk radio is an abysmal failure on behalf of the left. Air America, anyone?

If you want to talk bias, you've stumbled into a whole new arena.

No, that's actually an old arena as attested by my first comment about NYT and Times which started this conversation. Their bias is their downfall.

Newsflash: There aren't lessor salaries that what entry-level journalists make. It's hardly more than minimum wage, most places.

I know. The market has determined their worth. Less than the guy delivering the papers.

Not sure what your point is there. Feel free to elaborate.

Just seems this is a sore spot with you. Figured your personal regard must somehow be related to mass media. If I'm wrong, mea culpa. Mannerly enough?

449 Sura 109  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:02:48am

So this is a dishonest tactic when the so-called liberal media does it, but for Faux News it's perfectly fine.

Oh-kaaaayyyyy....

450 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 12:14:12pm

re: #449 Sura 109

Spoken like good KKKos Bush and Jew hater. Heil Hitler! to the 3rd KKKos!


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