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Tue, Aug 14, 2007 at 6:09:37 pm PDT

“We’ve got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we’re not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there.”

Barack Obama

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1 Backstaber  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:10:26pm

What a tool.

2 WK  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:10:57pm

Maybe he's talking about Bosnia...

3 jill e  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:11:04pm

Barack Kerry?

4 WhIteSidE  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:11:06pm

If a republican said this, one it would be a BIG DEAL.

This will get quietly shifted away by the msm.

5 American Soldier  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:11:32pm

re: #3 jill e

Barack Kerry?

Beat me to it.

6 imtoast  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:11:49pm

Oh, he is such an asshat!

7 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:12:04pm

Obama's weaknesses become more apparent with each passing day. And that's a good thing.

8 Macker  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:12:11pm

Charles: you forgot his middle name...

9 Salem  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:12:14pm

Ayuh...

10 ripper  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:12:39pm

So he wants to keep air raiding villages and killing civilians, he just wants to do more besides...

Clearly not ready for prime time. If he was white he'd have been laughed out of the race a year ago.

11 jill e  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:13:23pm

He has all the moves of a pimply faced kid running for student council.

12 zmdavid  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:13:24pm

How do you tell a terrorist from a civilian?

13 CODEKEYGUY  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:13:42pm

Osama Obama is fast becoming the "Hanoi John" Kerry of the Iraqi war. Genghis Khan, anyone?

14 Orbit Rain  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:14:00pm

wtf?!

...another lying politician spinning reality for his own greedy ambition...

15 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:14:35pm

Ack attack!

16 bosforus  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:14:42pm

Obama needs to just keep his mouth shut. Actually, scratch that, let him keep it open.

17 trailortrash  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:14:50pm

how many feet does this guy have to put in one mouth?

18 NoSubmission  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:14:55pm

Please keep talking, Obama, don't ever shut up.

/cooking while posting

19 kingronjo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:15:00pm

I am sure I am not the only one thinking that Empress Hillary and Obama have a deal going. He looks like a complete ass making her look good and he gets VP, with a clear shot at the Presidency in 2016. I mean he really can't be this much of a moron, its almost like he is becoming a parody of a moonbat.

He will still be very. very young. Any agreement?

20 THX-42  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:15:02pm

So many people with "white guilt"...but enough to vote this guy in as our Commander-in Chief? NFW.

21 lowandslow  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:15:34pm
The U.S. and NATO say they don't have civilian casualty figures, but The Associated Press has been keeping count based on figures from Afghan and international officials. Tracking civilian deaths is a difficult task because they often occur in remote and dangerous areas that are difficult to reach and verify.

As of Aug. 1, the AP count shows that while militants killed 231 civilians in attacks in 2007, Western forces killed 286. Another 20 were killed in crossfire that can't be attributed to one party.

Sure am glad we have the AP to decide who's a militant and who's a civilian.

22 EC Marm  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:15:41pm

Somebody should ask Obama (with a straight face) where he stands on bombing aspirin factories.
OT-
For hard core political junkies only. The Ron Paul freaks are all excited because he won a straw poll in some tiny little North Carolina town. That's the large print. The small print is that only 50 votes were cast. The even smaller print is that they 'found' some more votes. Which then made Fred Thompson the winner. You can read it all here, if you want. See 'Gonzalo Leon' comment for the small print.

23 aunursa  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:15:45pm
THE FACT CHECK:
A check of the facts shows that Western forces have been killing civilians at a faster rate than the insurgents have been killing civilians.

Does it matter that the terrorists hide among the civilian population and use the civilians as human shields, so as to inflate the number of casualties?

24 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:16:00pm

That's not going to stop him from marching on through the primaries. It doesn't matter how much he smears folks, antagonizes allies, makes outrageous statements, etc., he's going to be the media darling because he plays the perfect media foil to Hillary.

BTW, Mitt's campaign called Obama out on his latest.

"That is a very troubling remark on so many levels," said Romney spokesman Kevin Madden. "Most importantly, it's emblematic of Senator Obama's lack of experience for the job of commander-in-chief. But it's also an entirely inaccurate condemnation of the efforts of the men and women of the United States military who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan."

Would be nice if the candidates themselves addressed this, but the Democrats are by and large anti-military so they wouldn't want to touch this for fear of having their own comments parsed.

25 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:16:06pm

Sounds like he has the same inprov coach as GW.

26 jill e  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:16:09pm

Is THIS the air raid he's referring to?

[Link: www.buffalonews.com...]

27 NoSubmission  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:16:12pm

I wonder what he really thinks.

28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:16:14pm

So lets see, he wants more troops there and he smears the troops.

Way to piss off the Left and the Right, Barry.

29 Defender  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:16:34pm

And he is smokin' what?

30 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:16:44pm

Forget prime time. This cat doesn't qualify for the overnight shift at Dunkin Donuts.

31 ripper  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:16:45pm

re: #19 kingronjo

I am sure I am not the only one thinking that Empress Hillary and Obama have a deal going. He looks like a complete ass making her look good and he gets VP, with a clear shot at the Presidency in 2016. I mean he really can't be this much of a moron, its almost like he is becoming a parody of a moonbat.

He will still be very. very young. Any agreement?

It's sure looking that way. It's certainly reasonable to assume Lady MacBubba had something up her sleeve to take care of any challengers.

32 1SG(ret)  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:16:50pm

The problem is that many on the left sees this guy as a savior for their cause. How can you call for total withdrawal one week and then have the balls to come out with some s__t like this the next. Surprise is not what I would say I feel now! More like f__k off, you idiot!

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33 BignJames  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:17:04pm

I don't think the kids called him Dumbo 'cause of his ears

34 Phocid  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:17:06pm

It shows an utter ignorance of military matters. This guy is a babe in the woods. Obviously he's ignorant of military history, or any history for that matter.

35 Crimsonfisted  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:17:20pm

And how did he get into Harvard and be this stupid?

36 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:17:37pm

Yeah, asshole, that's what we're doing.

37 trailortrash  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:17:43pm

re: #24 lawhawk

That's not going to stop him from marching on through the primaries. It doesn't matter how much he smears folks, antagonizes allies, makes outrageous statements, etc., he's going to be the media darling because he plays the perfect media foil to Hillary.

BTW, Mitt's campaign called Obama out on his latest.

"That is a very troubling remark on so many levels," said Romney spokesman Kevin Madden. "Most importantly, it's emblematic of Senator Obama's lack of experience for the job of commander-in-chief. But it's also an entirely inaccurate condemnation of the efforts of the men and women of the United States military who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan."

Would be nice if the candidates themselves addressed this, but the Democrats are by and large anti-military so they wouldn't want to touch this for fear of having their own comments parsed.

Mitt just addressed this on fox.

38 Jon Carry  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:18:00pm

Words fail me.
Oh, wait, from the mouth of Bugs Bunny: "Whadda maroon!"

39 blackpajamas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:18:10pm

Democrats and air raids, what a concept!

Barak the Bumbler

40 zmdavid  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:18:33pm

Hard to believe, but the article Charles linked is actually sympathetic to Obama.

41 Miss Trixie  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:18:53pm

re: #18 NoSubmission

Please keep talking, Obama, don't ever shut up.

/cooking while posting

Toots! What's on the menu besides cupcakes?

:P

42 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:19:18pm

The man still rates a grade of F in foreign affairs. He hasn't a clue.
At least Hillary is correct in one thing. Obama is still a very, very junior politician who needs much more experience before he even attempts a run at the presidency.

43 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:19:32pm

re: #18 NoSubmission

Please keep talking, Obama, don't ever shut up.

/cooking while posting


My thoughts exactly, well said!

44 TMF  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:19:35pm

Thats what most Dems think. It wont hurt him in the primaries at all. If anything- this should seal the deal and win the nomination for him.

45 truculentinfidel  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:20:00pm

Where does this idiot come off thinking we are the problem? He needs a seriously rethink his world outlook. How can they consider him as a pres. candidate if his world view is this. I would be very afraid with him in the highest office!

46 cicero05  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:20:07pm

Knowing B. Hussein Obama, tomorrow he'll try to detract attention from his latest gaffe by unveiling a plan to invade Canada.

47 Crimsonfisted  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:20:15pm

re: #34 Phocid

It shows an utter ignorance of military matters. This guy is a babe in the woods. Obviously he's ignorant of military history, or any history for that matter.

AMEN! I would love to have someone ask all the candidates what they are currently reading. I think the President reads constantly, histories and the like, but I bet he hasn't cracked a book open in 10 years. What does Hillary read? This would say a lot about their characters.

48 1SG(ret)  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:20:23pm

re: #40 zmdavid

Have you seen one that isn't! Didn't think so! :-)

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49 Orbit Rain  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:20:24pm

re: #35 Crimsonfisted

And how did he get into Harvard and be this stupid?

They couldn't see through his aura for who he really is.

50 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:20:29pm

re: #22 EC Marm

Thanks for that. I've been kinda scratching my head over that one but couldn't figure it out. I also recall hearing/reading somewhere that to vote in these straw polls all you have to do to vote in these straw polls is show up and tell them you're a resident.

51 zmdavid  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:21:11pm

re: #48 1SG(ret)

re: #40 zmdavid

Have you seen one that isn't! Didn't think so! :-)

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Good point.

52 me  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:21:13pm

Ron Paul!

53 JammieWearingFool[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:21:15pm
54 THX-42  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:21:45pm

re: #35 Crimsonfisted

And how did he get into Harvard and be this stupid?

Seriously? You really want an answer?

55 kingronjo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:22:18pm

My feeling is if Obama does win forget the polls now showing him with leads against the Repub's, byt the time it is all said and down he iwll be George McGovern, not even Mike Dukakis.

I can see it now, his big, flapping ears blowing in the wind as the M-1 he's poking his head out of lifts off due to his ears astounding aerodynamic qualities...

PS- its a joke Barry, don't cry.

56 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:22:20pm

FOXNews is showing the Kerry/Genghis Khan moment again...I never get tired of that one.

57 WimbledonWomble  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:22:57pm

Obama is a blank slate. More blank than slate-like, though, because slate is hard, and in a human that would imply a backbone. So Obama is a blank piece of paper. That's why people like him. You can write what you want on him. Or you can crumple him up and throw him in the trashbin of media-hyped nobodies.

58 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:23:20pm

Barack Hussein is a wacko leftist kook, what do you expect!

There isn't a leftist Democrat on the scene, that would ever, under any circumstances, use appropriate miltary to defend America.

Barack Hussein has already made it very clear, by his own exact words, that he wouldn't ever use nuclear weapons, under any circumstances.

The oath of any American President, is to protect the USA, and Barack Hussein has clearly stated that he won't, ever.

If America votes Hillary and Barack Hussein into the Presidency, then America truly deserves the certain disaster, and downfall of America, that will be guarenteed to follow.

59 Crimsonfisted  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:23:33pm

re: #49 Orbit Rain

re: #35 Crimsonfisted

And how did he get into Harvard and be this stupid?

They couldn't see through his aura for who he really is.

tomato- tomahto, potato- potahto, aura- bull$hit

Let's call the whole thing off.

60 bosforus  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:23:38pm

Hannity and Colmes is talking Obama on Fox

61 blackpajamas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:23:44pm

re: #42 Outrider

Obama is still a very, very junior politician who needs much more experience before he even attempts a run at the presidency.

Hillary is nearly as green as Obama wrt foreign affairs.

62 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:24:11pm

re: #23 aunursa

Even without the argument that some of those counted as civilians are really terrorists, the idea that western forces are killing civilians in greater numbers than the terrorists are killing civilians is insane. Just today, the terrorists blew up over 150 people.

Iraqi Body Count, a website that it not exactly a fan of the American effort in Iraq, lists over 16,000 civilian deaths by terrorists in 2006, and only 225 by coalition efforts.

(And within the 225, one can argue that many were actually terrorists, many were killed by terrorists but while fighting coalition or Iraqi forces, and the remaining were the fault of the terrorists for hiding among them)

63 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:24:18pm

re: #54 THX-42

re: #35 Crimsonfisted


And how did he get into Harvard and be this stupid?

Seriously? You really want an answer?

He clearly got in to Harvard as a minority.

64 Miss Trixie  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:24:42pm

re: #46 cicero05

Knowing B. Hussein Obama, tomorrow he'll try to detract attention from his latest gaffe by unveiling a plan to invade Canada.

Har! Wait! Nooo!

:P

65 lowandslow  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:25:14pm

re: #23 aunursa

THE FACT CHECK:
A check of the facts shows that Western forces have been killing civilians at a faster rate than the insurgents have been killing civilians.

Does it matter that the terrorists hide among the civilian population and use the civilians as human shields, so as to inflate the number of casualties?

The whole "check of facts" thing is a joke, these are just numbers made up by the AP. Doesn't anyone else think that's kind of strange? The AP makes up statistics and reports them as facts.

66 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:25:27pm

Is Kerry writing his speeches?

67 jcm  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:26:16pm

Obama, put the F* up or STFU. Shows were our military is targeting civilians and have charges brought!

I am so F*ing sick of this pretenders SLANDERING AND DEFAMING our military.

68 Crimsonfisted  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:26:26pm

re: #63 republic

re: #54 THX-42

re: #35 Crimsonfisted


And how did he get into Harvard and be this stupid?


Seriously? You really want an answer?

He clearly got in to Harvard as a minority.

re: #63 republic

re: #54 THX-42

re: #35 Crimsonfisted


And how did he get into Harvard and be this stupid?


Seriously? You really want an answer?

He clearly got in to Harvard as a minority.

Sad. To think a deserving candidate of ANY color was kept out in favor of this doofus.

69 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:27:08pm
A check of the facts shows that Western forces have been killing civilians at a faster rate than the insurgents have been killing civilians.

That is an outright lie, a premeditated lie.

70 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:28:24pm

re: #68 Crimsonfisted

re: #63 republic


re: #54 THX-42

re: #35 Crimsonfisted

And how did he get into Harvard and be this stupid?

Seriously? You really want an answer?

He clearly got in to Harvard as a minority.

re: #63 republic

re: #54 THX-42

re: #35 Crimsonfisted

And how did he get into Harvard and be this stupid?

Seriously? You really want an answer?

He clearly got in to Harvard as a minority.

Sad. To think a deserving candidate of ANY color was kept out in favor of this doofus.

This is why I am 100% against affirmative action, or any kind of service that puts any minorities above anyone else.

71 thebigolddog  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:28:32pm

re: #23 aunursa

THE FACT CHECK:
A check of the facts shows that Western forces have been killing civilians at a faster rate than the insurgents have been killing civilians.

Does it matter that the terrorists hide among the civilian population and use the civilians as human shields, so as to inflate the number of casualties?

I love how AP becomes a credible body count source all of a sudden.

The U.S. and NATO say they don’t have civilian casualty figures, but The Associated Press has been keeping count based on figures from Afghan and international officials. Tracking civilian deaths is a difficult task because they often occur in remote and dangerous areas that are difficult to reach and verify.

72 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:28:53pm

35 Crimson...

Affirmative action, he lied ans said he was black.

73 lowandslow  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:29:30pm

re: #69 republic

That's what I've been saying, the whole article is based on the AP lies.

The U.S. and NATO say they don't have civilian casualty figures, but The Associated Press has been keeping count based on figures from Afghan and international officials.
74 WeaselZipper  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:29:30pm
75 jcm  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:29:32pm

re: #69 republic

A check of the facts shows that Western forces have been killing civilians at a faster rate than the insurgents have been killing civilians.

That is an outright lie, a premeditated lie.

There is world of difference between killing civilians who are being used as shields by the enemy.

And deliberately targeting civilians.

76 Drogheda  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:29:33pm

"air-raiding?"

Barack I think the word you're looking for is "bombing."

77 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:30:23pm
The U.S. and NATO say they don't have civilian casualty figures, but The Associated Press has been keeping count based on figures from Afghan and international officials. Tracking civilian deaths is a difficult task because they often occur in remote and dangerous areas that are difficult to reach and verify.

hmmm. The US and NATO don't provide civilian casualty figures because they can not verify them, but the AP on the other hand has been keeping count on their own by relying on the same unverifiable information from questionable sources that the US and NATO refuse to pass along as fact.

Facts based on assumptions. Thats the MSM at its finest.

78 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:30:55pm

Wow! I did that without using 14 levels of embed! Get a clue people.

79 DesertSage  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:31:01pm

He may have said some stupid things, but the real question is - Is He Black Enough!

80 ted  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:31:29pm

Just how many nails can a coffin take?

81 Cartman  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:31:38pm

What is it that he doesn't comprehend regarding history and warfare? He's probably young enough that those were forbidden subjects in his educational curriculum. The man cannot be taken seriously, in any way. I hope.

82 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:31:43pm

re: #75 jcm

re: #69 republic


A check of the facts shows that Western forces have been killing civilians at a faster rate than the insurgents have been killing civilians.

That is an outright lie, a premeditated lie.

There is world of difference between killing civilians who are being used as shields by the enemy.

And deliberately targeting civilians.


If American forces targeted civilians, the body count would be about 1.5 billion.

83 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:31:54pm

Experience? He served in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004. He won the election in 2004 for US Senator and has spent most of ~that~ time campaigning for others (2006 election) and for himself (post 2006). He really is a very Junior rookie that needs more experience and education on foreign affairs and how the government actually works. In particular, the military, as he seems to have no grasp of military concepts, deployments, and operations. I imagine he would probably be surprised to find it wasn't a "job training" agency for the placement of at risk youth (best case) or a bunch of psychopaths being kept off the street or jails, ala Dirty Dozen (worst case).

84 lowandslow  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:32:15pm

re: #75 jcm

You're missing the point jcm, these are just statistics made up by the AP, they don't mean anything because they just aren't true.

85 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:33:17pm

re: #69 republic

Just the quickest glance at the facts disproves taht.

It reminds me of the Lancet "600,000 civilian deaths" study. The month it was released, the media was full of stories touting that month's civilian death toll as the worst ever. Multiplying that "worst month ever" total by the 4 years didn't even come close to a third of 600,000.

86 bosforus  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:33:37pm

re: #70 republic

i knew a black guy who turned down a scholarship that he felt was based on his race. you'd probably like him.

87 blackpajamas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:33:41pm

Amid Today's Gloom, Don't Forget: We've Had 25 Years Of Prosperity

"...we should turn to history and its empirical evidence, and not give in to irrational decisions based on fatalism and the neglect of real history."

After consulting the history books, it seems that even what the unwashed masses think of as decent Democrat wartime presidents of the 20th century, such as FDR (with the possible exception of Harry Truman), in reality have extremely poor track records and were enablers of history's most bloody pogroms. Hillary is not ready for prime time, she just doesn't know it yet. It's just a question of whether or not Hillary voters want to be made aware of that fact before the election, or during the catastrophe of her presidency.

88 kansas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:33:48pm

And the Dems are making fun of Fred.

89 Crimsonfisted  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:33:49pm

re: #78 BenZacharia

Wow! I did that without using 14 levels of embed! Get a clue people.

:( I resemble that remark!

90 thebigolddog  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:33:51pm

If you want to read a real, "honest" defense of these comments, check out Hot Air

91 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:34:16pm

re: #83 Outrider

Experience? He served in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004. He won the election in 2004 for US Senator and has spent most of ~that~ time campaigning for others (2006 election) and for himself (post 2006). He really is a very Junior rookie that needs more experience and education on foreign affairs and how the government actually works. In particular, the military, as he seems to have no grasp of military concepts, deployments, and operations. I imagine he would probably be surprised to find it wasn't a "job training" agency for the placement of at risk youth (best case) or a bunch of psychopaths being kept off the street or jails, ala Dirty Dozen (worst case).


If Barack Hussein is in Washington politics for 50 years, he will always be a leftist kook, and never fit for the Presidency.

No leftist will ever be fit for the POTUS!

92 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:35:06pm

re: #86 bosforus

re: #70 republic

i knew a black guy who turned down a scholarship that he felt was based on his race. you'd probably like him.


I like anyone who isn't a leftist.

I don't care if they are purple with yellow polk a dots.

93 ted  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:35:13pm

Barack shoots his piehole off.

Hillary puts on bunny slippers, sits down in Barcolounger recliner, raises feet, zips Dewars highball , laughs to self.

94 Cartman  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:35:55pm

I'm starting to question whether or not I'm "black enough". And I'm white. Just a passing conundrum.
/

95 Macker  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:36:01pm

re: #82 republic

Would that figure be with...or without...using nukes?

96 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:36:13pm

re: #61 blackpajamas

Hillary is nearly as green as Obama wrt foreign affairs.


Very true. But she does have the benefit of at least being around the events as they were happening as First Lady. I don't know how much she absorbed, but it has to be more than Obama. Neither of them has much experience in national politics and limited experience in state politics, which is another ball game altogether.

97 republic[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:37:03pm
98 republic[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:37:36pm
99 EC Marm  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:38:12pm

re: #78 BenZacharia

Wow! I did that without using 14 levels of embed! Get a clue people.

LOL. I used to have a utility program that I loved that would properly indent 1,000 plus lines of computer code in about three seconds. Every time I see that going on here, it's the first thing I think of. I wonder what the record is, so far? Six levels?

100 Macker  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:38:38pm

re: #83 Outrider

Experience? He served in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004. He won the election in 2004 for US Senator and has spent most of ~that~ time campaigning for others (2006 election) and for himself (post 2006). He really is a very Junior rookie that needs more experience and education on foreign affairs and how the government actually works. In particular, the military, as he seems to have no grasp of military concepts, deployments, and operations. I imagine he would probably be surprised to find it wasn't a "job training" agency for the placement of at risk youth (best case) or a bunch of psychopaths being kept off the street or jails, ala Dirty Dozen (worst case).

Dammit Coach Ditka! We could have all avoided this if you had run against Osama Obama!

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102 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:38:42pm

Just two days of recordings at Iraqi Body Count: June 17, 18

72 civilians killed by terrorists
1 killed by US helicopter fire.

72-1.

Again, even without the argument that we, the US, are killing terrorists pretending to be civilians, or civilians used as human shields, the numbers are no where close.

The insurgents are killing civilians at a rate higher than Western forces are killing civilians.

For all of 2006, the rate is over 60-to-1.

103 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:40:49pm

re: #89 Crimsonfisted

I think the same people who embed EVERYTHING are the same ones who used to chastise me for creative and colorful posts, 'cuz "whiney voice you're wasting bandwidth. you broke the thread*"

Now who wastes bandwidth and makes a page unreadalble.

*jealousy by those who can't figure out hyper text markup language tags.

104 jcm  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:40:56pm

re: #84 lowandslow

re: #75 jcm

You're missing the point jcm, these are just statistics made up by the AP, they don't mean anything because they just aren't true.

I know, just like the Lancet Iraq figures. But to the libtards it's a two fold argument. They grossly inflate the civilian death, without distinguishing between Coalition caused and enemy caused, then they make the moral equivalence argument.

105 WindHorse  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:41:23pm

I think someone should take him down to the county fair and buy him a ride on the ponies... and afterwards get him a sprinkled donut...

106 ripper  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:41:36pm

re: #46 cicero05

Knowing B. Hussein Obama, tomorrow he'll try to detract attention from his latest gaffe by unveiling a plan to invade Canada Idaho.

Fixed.

107 Jeewhiz  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:41:54pm

re: #93 ted

Barack shoots his piehole off.

Hillary puts on bunny slippers, sits down in Barcolounger recliner, raises feet, zips Dewars highball , laughs to self.


*clapping*

108 EC Marm  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:41:58pm

re: #101 MandyManners
Hussein?

109 jcm  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:41:59pm

re: #101 MandyManners

Your keyboard get stuck? ;-)

110 g3n3r1c  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:42:02pm

poor barry obama just really doesn't have his public speaking abilities down does he

111 WhiteRasta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:42:03pm

Last time I was on a B-747 with an engine out, the Captain shot a sweet approach and nailed the landing.

The Captain happened to be a black man.

I'm glad he did not get his job because he was black. I'm glad he got his job because he was the best man for the job.

G-d knows what might have happened if the Captain was a "Quota Captain."

112 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:42:24pm

re: #91 republic

If Barack Hussein is in Washington politics for 50 years, he will always be a leftist kook, and never fit for the Presidency.

No leftist will ever be fit for the POTUS!


I tend to agree and hope we don't see one in there any time soon.

113 blackpajamas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:42:37pm

re: #96 Outrider

re: #61 blackpajamas

Hillary is nearly as green as Obama wrt foreign affairs.


...But she does have the benefit of at least being around the events as they were happening as First Lady.

Yes, exactly!

Which is why it is very confusing that she refuses to help differentiate herself from Obama, specifically by giving us all more insight into what she really did in the White House.

from: Hillary's Secrets

"Two million pages of Hillary Clinton's files as the most active first lady in history are locked up until after next year's election. Candidates are usually proud of their record. Does she have things to hide?"

114 SnakeSpit  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:42:38pm

Lady MacBubba and Obama Yo Mama. Running mates in 2008.

115 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:43:22pm

re: #90 thebigolddog

I don't think anyone here is taking his statement as a leftist smear against our troops. The complaint is that these airstrikes is exactly the plan he's advocating for Pakistan (except for the difference that he's going to do it without the Pakistani government approval). The enemy is hiding in schools, madrassas and houses. Intelligence is often imperfect and collateral damage is inevitable.

116 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:43:45pm

re: #111 WhiteRasta

Last time I was on a B-747 with an engine out, the Captain shot a sweet approach and nailed the landing.

The Captain happened to be a black man.

I'm glad he did not get his job because he was black. I'm glad he got his job because he was the best man for the job.

G-d knows what might have happened if the Captain was a "Quota Captain."

I agree, and I'll also add, that the leftist Democrats are the single most racist people on this earth.

117 descolada9  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:43:53pm

What stupid mofo.

He's on ly in the Senate because Alan Keyes was a brigger freak when it came to running for the seat.

118 Bobibutu  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:44:00pm

re: #35 Crimsonfisted

And how did he get into Harvard and be this stupid?

Quota system. SAT, IQ, GPA do not matter. Not just Harvard.

119 Geepers  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:44:07pm

More crap "journalism" from Nedra Pickler and the AP.

the Republican Party pointed out in a screaming headline Tuesday

A screaming headline was it?

The Republican National Committee simply repeated the comment as one of their "They Said It!" series used to highlight statements by opponents that supposedly put them in a bad light.

Because apparently talking out of your ass doesn't put you in a bad light?

The U.S. and NATO say they don't have civilian casualty figures,

With the implication that they're lying.

Tracking civilian deaths is a difficult task because they often occur in remote and dangerous areas that are difficult to reach and verify.

Unverified "facts" are called "hearsay".

As of Aug. 1, the AP count shows that while militants killed 231 civilians in attacks in 2007, Western forces killed 286.

And of course even if these "facts" are true the difference that Nedra fails to mention in her attempt at moral equivalency is that one side kills them inadvertently and one side kills them intentionally.

120 Pdogg  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:44:18pm

re: #58 republic

Maybe someone should ask the tough question. Will Barack get rid of our nukes all together?

121 Blue Chip  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:44:22pm

He’s the political equivalent of Zima: Weightless, tasteless and headache inducing.

He's about to have his 'scream' moment.

Youtube won't be kind...

122 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:44:43pm

Wow! didn't anybody else see that?

123 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:44:48pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

re: #90 thebigolddog

I don't think anyone here is taking his statement as a leftist smear against our troops. The complaint is that these airstrikes is exactly the plan he's advocating for Pakistan (except for the difference that he's going to do it without the Pakistani government approval). The enemy is hiding in schools, madrassas and houses. Intelligence is often imperfect and collateral damage is inevitable.


Uh, Barack Husein clearly does not support our troops, as with nearly all of the leftist Democrats.!

124 vxbush  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:44:48pm

re: #114 SnakeSpit

Lady MacBubba and Obama Yo Mama. Running mates in 2008.

Bingo. She won't mind having him as a vice-presidential running mate; in fact, he'll help her out immensely. That is why she has her feet up.

125 MeCurious  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:44:49pm
126 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:44:57pm

re: #101 MandyManners

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Oh. You meant Hussein! Didn't you?

127 blackpajamas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:45:30pm

re: #120 Pdogg

re: #58 republic

Maybe someone should ask the tough question. Will Barack get rid of our nukes all together?

Yes. He'll sell them on Ebay.

128 Nemo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:45:50pm

OK I get it now. All he is sayin', is give his logic a chance:

He wants us out of a war he voted against. Yet he thinks we need more troops there to win it. If we don't, we will have to continue to attack Iraqi villages from the air (and not via ground assaults).

He shows strength in his ability to contradict himself. He is a "mystery man", full of intrigue. A thinker, a doer. He can reinforce and pull out brigades of soldiers at the same time and faster than any man alive (except Gov Richardson).

Wow. Obama, Barak Obama.

129 doppelganglander  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:45:52pm

Lefties always claim that the (obviously brilliant and highly competent) Clarence Thomas benefited from affirmative action so he really couldn't be all that smart. But I suspect if you pointed out Obama's shaky grasp on the facts and speculated how he got into Columbia and Harvard, you'd be called a racist.

130 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:46:40pm

re: #105 WindHorse

I think someone should take him down to the county fair and buy him a ride on the ponies... and afterwards get him a sprinkled donut...


A ride on the Silk Pony?

131 Miss Trixie  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:46:57pm

re: #122 BenZacharia

Wow! didn't anybody else see that?

See what?

132 republic[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:47:13pm
133 Pdogg  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:47:43pm

re: #127 blackpajamas

I wonder what it will cost him to ship to Iran.

134 WhiteRasta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:47:45pm

re: #112 Outrider

No leftist will ever be fit for the POTUS!

I dunno about that, remember Jimmah the Dunce?

136 Sifty  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:48:13pm

We should also work on the horrors of:

cat juggling
unlicensed hot dog carts
restroom graffiti
iPods that play the same songs too frequently when on shuffle
napalming of Nepalese
shanking of Sherpas
nuking of Nigerians
molestation of Mexicans
pruning of hedges
and and and

all other bad stuff too!

Especially the bad Army guys who tortured Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson in Abu Grabtanamo with the panties on their head!

TAKE ME SERIOUSLY GAWDDAMMIT!

/Barry Hussein Obama

KosKids and DUmmies, is this really the star you want to hitch your little RED wagon to?

137 telecasterman  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:48:41pm

OK. Now I'm really confused. Is Obama really a moron, or just someone who's simply pandering to morons in a very calculated way?

138 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:48:56pm

re: #131 Miss Trixie

doubles on #92 -104 I got a screen print.

139 vxbush  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:49:04pm

re: #136 Sifty

Heh. Cat juggling is a sport where the cats take care of themselves.

140 ctrlL  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:49:29pm

110 g3n3r1c

poor barry obama just really doesn't have his public speaking abilities down does he

Snark detection meter pegging 11 on this comment.
No one said he couldn't speak. He is an excellent, smooth, charismatic and handsome speaker of

bull S_ _ _!

141 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:49:32pm

re: #137 telecasterman

A bit of both.

142 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:49:45pm
we’re not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there.”


What we look for in a President is being able to tell the truth...starting it off with an intentional lie doesn't bode well.

But then again your noobness comes out when you yell at a reporter that made fun of your ears because you were made fun of as a child. We need someone a bit tougher and more of a man than you as President, hope you understand.

143 jcm  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:49:58pm

re: #135 cbinflux

Video Surfaces of Cheney, in 1994, Warning That An Invasion of Iraq Would Lead to 'Quagmire' (E&P)

Context, GW1 the mandate was to remove Saddam from Kuwait nothing more. GWII has a different context.

144 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:50:19pm

re: #134 WhiteRasta

re: #112 Outrider

No leftist will ever be fit for the POTUS!

I dunno about that, remember Jimmah the Dunce?


He changed more Democrat voters to Republican, than any other politician in the history of the U.S.

I think that Hillary/Obama will do much of the same.

Most of my racist, sexist, homophobic Democrat voter extended family, have made it clear that they won't vote for either of them

145 vxbush  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:50:39pm

Of course, cat flying can be just as hazardous.

146 Miss Trixie  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:50:39pm

re: #138 BenZacharia

re: #131 Miss Trixie

doubles on #92 -104 I got a screen print.

Got it, thanks!

Bedtime - it's been a very long day - 'night lizards.

147 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:50:40pm
148 WindHorse  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:51:25pm

re: #130 Outrider

...not what I was really thinking about - but... hey, I have an open mind.

149 Bucephalas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:51:35pm

re: #137 telecasterman

OK. Now I'm really confused. Is Obama really a moron, or just someone who's simply pandering to morons in a very calculated way?

He's a rookie. He doesn't realize it matters what you say when your in the major leagues. If he keeps it up he might talk himself right out of the number two slot on the Clinton-Obama ticket...

150 1SG(ret)  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:51:46pm

The main problem with this civilian body count is identifying civilians in a war environment without the enemy wearing uniforms. Unless the military is able to positively say which is which they are counted as civilians. This blows a huge hole in the data.

Goes back to: shit data in shit data out! But the truth doesn't matter when it comes to the left or the media. Of course they are the same.

Top

151 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:51:52pm

re: #113 blackpajamas

Yes, exactly!
Which is why it is very confusing that she refuses to help differentiate herself from Obama, specifically by giving us all more insight into what she really did in the White House.
from: Hillary's Secrets
"Two million pages of Hillary Clinton's files as the most active first lady in history are locked up until after next year's election. Candidates are usually proud of their record. Does she have things to hide?"

I can think of all kinds of things she did while in the White House. From firing Travel Staff, to collecting files (50 of them?) on noted Republicans, "renting" out the Lincoln Room, Removing various other files from a deceased staffer, to wholesale removal of "souvenirs" when moving out. As well as all kinds of other things in between these events. Let us not forget that failed medical scheme she tried to get through as Second President. But hey, nothing to see here.

152 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:51:53pm

re: #121 Blue Chip

He's about to have his 'scream' moment.

Ha. In an unrelated story Hurricane Dean is forming in the Atlantic.

153 Lee Coller  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:52:37pm

Hillary is not going to have Obama as her running mate. As all political junkies know. the primary job of the running mate is to deliver the electoral votes from his/her state. As Illinois is already safely Democrat, and the Black vote is also safely Democrat, Barak Obama offers her nothing. My bet is on Gov. Bill Richardson as New Mexico is a swing state and it will increase her appeal to Hispanics.

154 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:53:10pm

re: #108 EC Marm

re: #101 MandyManners
Hussein?

I LOVE IT!

155 vxbush  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:53:10pm

I prefer to say it as

Botched assy data in, botched assy data out.

BAD in, BAD out.

156 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:53:15pm

re: #150 1SG(ret)

The main problem with this civilian body count is identifying civilians in a war environment without the enemy wearing uniforms. Unless the military is able to positively say which is which they are counted as civilians. This blows a huge hole in the data.

Goes back to: shit data in shit data out! But the truth doesn't matter when it comes to the left or the media. Of course they are the same.

Top

Like I have said, and maintain, civilians don't matter, as long as victory is acheived.

157 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:53:54pm

re: #109 jcm

re: #101 MandyManners

Your keyboard get stuck? ;-)

8-)

158 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:54:11pm

re: #153 Lee Coller

Good observation.

159 zmdavid  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:54:18pm

re: #134 WhiteRasta

re: #112 Outrider
No leftist will ever be fit for the POTUS!
I dunno about that, remember Jimmah the Dunce?

Just because he was President, it doesn't mean he was fit for the job.

160 jcm  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:54:21pm

re: #153 Lee Coller

Hillary is not going to have Obama as her running mate. As all political junkies know. the primary job of the running mate is to deliver the electoral votes from his/her state. As Illinois is already safely Democrat, and the Black vote is also safely Democrat, Barak Obama offers her nothing. My bet is on Gov. Bill Richardson as New Mexico is a swing state and it will increase her appeal to Hispanics.

Good analysis, Edwards is damaged goods from '04, the rest of the field gets a Who?

161 Crimsonfisted  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:54:35pm

re: #103 BenZacharia

well, it was just easier for me to FOLLOW the conversation to embed. Otherwise, with the speed of light comments, I get lost in Charles new commenting features! I am ooolllddd! cannot.keep.up.it.is.too.fast.

162 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:54:52pm

re: #134 WhiteRasta

No leftist will ever be fit for the POTUS!

I dunno about that, remember Jimmah the Dunce?


The operative word being "fit". Again, Jimmah? Ahahahahahaha-snort- Did I just snort? ;-)>

163 vxbush  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:54:58pm

re: #153 Lee Coller

True, but I think the Democrats might see Obama as the way to pick up states with more independent voters. It could happen, but I see your point.

164 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:55:03pm

re: #126 Outrider

Just don't want to forget his middle name.

165 JustTanya  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:55:04pm

re: #80 ted

Just how many nails can a coffin take?

LOL! I was thinking ... "and this man thinks he can be president?"

166 Alone in NY  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:55:10pm

What a jackass (no pun intended).

167 Right Wing Nut Job  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:55:20pm

re: #26 jill e

Is THIS the air raid he's referring to?

[Link: www.buffalonews.com...]

I think his "target" is Hazelton, PA

168 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:55:24pm

re: #153 Lee Coller

Hillary is not going to have Obama as her running mate. As all political junkies know. the primary job of the running mate is to deliver the electoral votes from his/her state. As Illinois is already safely Democrat, and the Black vote is also safely Democrat, Barak Obama offers her nothing. My bet is on Gov. Bill Richardson as New Mexico is a swing state and it will increase her appeal to Hispanics.

Bill Richardson lost all support from the NRA and law abiding U.S. gun owners, with his lame voice in the debates.

Richrdson is a leftist first, everything else falls below that.

Hillary, no matter who she picks, will lose the general election.

169 blackpajamas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:55:30pm

re: #133 Pdogg

re: #127 blackpajamas

I wonder what it will cost him to ship to Iran.

Alot of Ebay sellers find that they can sometimes maximize their profits by parting out their really big-ticket items. Piece by piece, most ground freight out of the US starts with a $25 sur-charge just to move a single item accross a border. Naturally, the Iranians will seek a bulk discount, and will not want things in parts (although it may go better undetected), as they will have friendship loans from China and Russia; meaning that their true costs go up, as extra interest is applied. However, China and Russia may simple write off Iran's obligations as they both receive intangible benefits from the transaction. And they will also seek to profit from selling more gas masks to the middle East when Israel is a smoldering crater.

170 funkyfantom  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:55:43pm

Jackie Mason has him pegged pretty well, he is very qualified for a waiter job at a fancy restaurant. Nice appearance, well-spoken, etc.

As far as being qualified to head the executive branch of the Federal government, having a couple of years in the Senate is just a joke in terms of responsibility of running something important.

Give me someone like Eisenhower, who at least proved himself by directing the European Theater of Operations for the Allied Forces in World War II.

That is more in line for the "gravitas: fitting for the office, as Dan Rather might put it.

171 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:55:43pm

re: #153 Lee Coller

Hillary is not going to have Obama as her running mate. As all political junkies know. the primary job of the running mate is to deliver the electoral votes from his/her state. As Illinois is already safely Democrat, and the Black vote is also safely Democrat, Barak Obama offers her nothing. My bet is on Gov. Bill Richardson as New Mexico is a swing state and it will increase her appeal to Hispanics.

I agree with this. I also heard a pundit that mentioned the argument that she wouldn't pick someone that could charismatically outshine her either...and obama does that. Reading Morris' book on her and going off my own observations of her, I can see that in her.

172 AuntAcid  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:55:45pm

INCOMING!
It's not your father's air raid any more.

173 kingronjo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:56:05pm

#153 Lee

I tend to agree with you that Obama will be sitting this election out. HOWEVER,,, don't think for one second the Empress won't be running surveys to make sure that blacks don't feel Obama is ENTITLED to the VP for coming in second place. Not so much worrying about a Republican switch but a 'sitting it out' like some conservatives did this year. I think that is a very real fear, especially if the ususal suspects (Rev Als and Jesse) start clamoring.

174 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:56:12pm

re: #125 MeCurious

Good, but in the end? I was hoping that Moishe Feiglin would win.

175 SnakeSpit  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:56:51pm

re: #124 vxbush
If she runs, and wins, I wonder if she'll wear a blue dress to her inauguration?

176 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:57:43pm

re: #170 funkyfantom

Jackie Mason has him pegged pretty well, he is very qualified for a waiter job at a fancy restaurant. Nice appearance, well-spoken, etc.

As far as being qualified to head the executive branch of the Federal government, having a couple of years in the Senate is just a joke in terms of responsibility of running something important.

Give me someone like Eisenhower, who at least proved himself by directing the European Theater of Operations for the Allied Forces in World War II.

How then, does Hillary differ from him?

She's equally, none qualified.

That is more in line for the "gravitas: fitting for the office, as Dan Rather might put it.

177 vxbush  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:57:54pm

re: #171 Highrise

Then she would have to choose dirt as a running mate. And she'll have to kill off Bill.

178 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:57:56pm

re: #164 MandyManners

re: #126 Outrider

Just don't want to forget his middle name.


No problem there! Not now.

179 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:58:26pm

re: #170 funkyfantom

Jackie Mason has him pegged pretty well, he is very qualified for a waiter job at a fancy restaurant. Nice appearance, well-spoken, etc.

As far as being qualified to head the executive branch of the Federal government, having a couple of years in the Senate is just a joke in terms of responsibility of running something important.

Give me someone like Eisenhower, who at least proved himself by directing the European Theater of Operations for the Allied Forces in World War II.

That is more in line for the "gravitas: fitting for the office, as Dan Rather might put it.


How then, does Hillary differ from him?

She's equally, none qualified.

180 vxbush  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:58:30pm

re: #175 SnakeSpit

Wouldn't surprise me a bit.

181 blackpajamas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:58:51pm

re: #153 Lee Coller

Hillary is not going to have Obama as her running mate. ... My bet is on Gov. Bill Richardson as New Mexico is a swing state and it will increase her appeal to Hispanics.

Good bet. It sounds like I should try to hire you and Karl Rove then go down to the Hilton in Vegas, and start placing bets. We won't leave until we own the joint.

182 kingronjo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:59:23pm

off thread

Drudge says that the Administration is designating the Iranian Revolutionary Guards as a terrorist group.

'bout time.

183 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:00:03pm

I'ts going to be interesting, to see how the male, racist, sexist, homophobic, firearm owning Democrats vote in 2008.

184 bosforus  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:00:28pm

obama's more like Saturday morning cartoon material

185 zmdavid  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:00:28pm

Isn't Bill Richardson pals with Kim Jong Il?

186 WhiteRasta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:00:34pm

Goodnight friends and Lizards.

187 windbag  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:00:51pm

Various candidates bring various assets to the table. That's obvious. Obama, and Edwards before him, demonstrates what little grasp he has of foreign affairs. If the moonbats think Bush is a bumbling fool, imagine what things would be like if Obama were Commander-in-Chief. Yikes. It's staggering. The more he talks, the more he'll expose his inexperience, just like Edwards before him. Let's hope so, anyway.

188 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:00:57pm

re: #172 AuntAcid

INCOMING!
It's not your father's air raid any more.


pffft Zoomies. Sure, they can destroy stuff. So can my four year old granddaughter.
If you ain't got a grunt with his boots on the ground, you don't own it-you don't control it...you ain't won it.

189 jayzee  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:01:18pm

re: #127 blackpajamas

re: #120 Pdogg


re: #58 republic

Maybe someone should ask the tough question. Will Barack get rid of our nukes all together?


Yes. He'll sell them on Ebay.


He'll give them to Iran so they can use the uranium to build a
nuclear power plant. This will be in exchange for their sworn commitment not to use them as weapons, to support peace between Israel and the "Palestinians", and to reduce their national carbon footprint by 98%. Problem solved-Go Barack Hussein Obama Go!

190 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:01:48pm

re: #175 SnakeSpit
re: #124 vxbush
If she runs, and wins, I wonder if she'll wear a blue dress to her inauguration?
Im betting she doesn't own a single blue dress anymore. ;-)>

191 jcm  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:01:58pm

Hill could chose Bill as a running mate. The 22nd amendment only prevents some from being elected president more than twice.

Think of the campaign signs

CLINTON2 '08

192 USA  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:02:06pm

re: #185 zmdavid

Isn't Bill Richardson pals with Kim Jong Il?

So your point is that he is well qualified to run on the democratic ticket?

193 Bucephalas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:02:16pm

re: #168 republic

re: #153 Lee Coller


Hillary is not going to have Obama as her running mate. As all political junkies know. the primary job of the running mate is to deliver the electoral votes from his/her state. As Illinois is already safely Democrat, and the Black vote is also safely Democrat, Barak Obama offers her nothing. My bet is on Gov. Bill Richardson as New Mexico is a swing state and it will increase her appeal to Hispanics.

Bill Richardson lost all support from the NRA and law abiding U.S. gun owners, with his lame voice in the debates.

Richrdson is a leftist first, everything else falls below that.

Hillary, no matter who she picks, will lose the general election.

Don't be so sure. That's what over confident Democrats were saying about Bush in the 2004 elections. The Clintons are savvy campaigners and the moonbats and nutroots will be pulling out all the stops to keep the Republicans out of the White House. If anything it's this over the top, fanatical, deranged fringe that can manage to turn off the electorate so badly that the Republicans can carry the day again in 08. I predict the Democratic ticket will wind up being eaten by its own children from the world of Koz.

194 vxbush  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:02:24pm

re: #187 windbag

Didn't Bill Clinton show more than once during the 2000 election his inability to handle foreign affairs as well? But he had the schmooze ability, and it blinded a lot of people. Obama doesn't have that. Hillary doesn't have that; she lies, but it isn't as palatable as well Bill does it.

195 Bill Amos  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:02:35pm

Just sent Charles this. A link between food for oil and Teddy Kennedy

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Tycoon Wyatt wants Saddam link omitted from trial By Christine Kearney

Tue Aug 14, 5:40 PM ET

NEW YORK (Reuters) - A lawyer for Oscar Wyatt has asked a judge to
exclude evidence from his upcoming trial that suggests a link between
the Texas oil tycoon and Saddam Hussein and a tip to Iraq about the
U.S. invasion.

The motion, filed in Manhattan federal court on Monday, comes three
weeks before Wyatt, former chairman and founder of Coastal Corp., goes
on trial accused of paying secret kickbacks to Iraq and corrupting the
U.N. oil-for-food program.

He has pleaded not guilty to charges he conspired to pay several
million dollars in kickbacks to Iraq in relation to the corrupted $67
billion program.

Wyatt is also asking to have portions of a diary of a former Iraqi
state oil agency employee, Mubdir Al-Khudhair, omitted. It suggests
Wyatt provided the Iraq government with information about when the
United States would invade and bomb Iraq and how many soldiers would be
sent, according to the motion.

"Such actions would likely be considered repugnant by most Americans
and could potentially bias," said the papers, arguing the diary was
irrelevant to Wyatt's case.

One diary entry also states that "Wyatt allegedly convinced Senator
Edward Kennedy to deliver a speech against the war with Iraq,"
according to the motion. A spokesperson for Senator Kennedy did not
immediately return a call seeking comment.

196 carefulnow  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:02:45pm
iPods that play the same songs too frequently when on shuffle


I hate that too!

197 1SG(ret)  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:03:06pm

re: #186 WhiteRasta

That's the problem being out here on the left coast for a while. just when I get time to get on LGF, all you guys go to bed! Gee, 12 more days and I can get back to the real world!

Top

198 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:03:09pm

Hillary can't win!

You'll all be thanking me in November of 2008.

Hillary can't win the POTUS!

199 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:03:21pm

Barack knows who the Demonrat primary voters are. The same people that read KoS, threaten Congressman Ford for not beiing moonbatty enough, and choose Ned Lamont over Joe Lieberman.


If he does win the Donk nod, the MSM will conveniently forget he ever said these things.

200 vxbush  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:03:41pm

PIMF: but it isn't as palatable as when Bill did it.

time to sleep, lizards. For me and this time zone, at least.

201 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:03:47pm

re: #182 kingronjo

off thread

Drudge says that the Administration is designating the Iranian Revolutionary Guards as a terrorist group.

'bout time.

Old news..? They've been blocking their bank transactions for weeks.

202 Naso Tang  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:03:52pm

Obviously Obama is spending a lot of time at Daily KOS.

203 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:04:01pm

re: #183 republic


I'ts going to be interesting, to see how the male, racist, sexist, homophobic, firearm owning Democrats vote in 2008.


I have three neighbors that fit that bill and they refuse to even discuss it. Although two of their faces go through interesting contortions when I bring it up. I am, of course, amused and bring the subject up frequently.

204 1SG(ret)  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:04:02pm

re: #189 jayzee

Well said! Amen

205 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:05:00pm

re: #198 republic

Hillary can't win!

You'll all be thanking me in November of 2008.

Hillary can't win the POTUS!

I don't think she can either.

206 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:05:11pm

re: #193 Bucephalas

re: #168 republic


re: #153 Lee Coller

Hillary is not going to have Obama as her running mate. As all political junkies know. the primary job of the running mate is to deliver the electoral votes from his/her state. As Illinois is already safely Democrat, and the Black vote is also safely Democrat, Barak Obama offers her nothing. My bet is on Gov. Bill Richardson as New Mexico is a swing state and it will increase her appeal to Hispanics.

Bill Richardson lost all support from the NRA and law abiding U.S. gun owners, with his lame voice in the debates.
Richrdson is a leftist first, everything else falls below that.

Hillary, no matter who she picks, will lose the general election.


Don't be so sure. That's what over confident Democrats were saying about Bush in the 2004 elections. The Clintons are savvy campaigners and the moonbats and nutroots will be pulling out all the stops to keep the Republicans out of the White House. If anything it's this over the top, fanatical, deranged fringe that can manage to turn off the electorate so badly that the Republicans can carry the day again in 08. I predict the Democratic ticket will wind up being eaten by its own children from the world of Koz.

I really haven't hear any support for Hillary Clinton, outside of the msm.

Seriously.

Every Democrat that I talk to, will not vote for her, or Barack Hussein.

The msm can spin all they want, but when Hillary only recives 30-35% of the vote, the media won't be able to spin it anymore..

207 therewaslight  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:05:21pm
“We’ve got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we’re not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there.”

If one could believe Obama would back up his words with the ground troops to do the job this would be sensible.

It is better for the propaganda war for us to, where possible, kill terrorists with a ground ambush if that would result in fewer casualties that could be passed off as civilian than dropping a 1000lb bomb on the lot.

If we don't care about civilians in this war we might as well go straight for the nukes and be done with it.

Next time you have your teeth drilled be glad the dentish is not weilding one of the 4ft, titanium tipped pneumatic variety.

208 Portland Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:05:27pm

Just joining up...So, how many Macaca moments does Obama get?

209 blackpajamas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:05:36pm

re: #191 jcm

CLINTON2 '08

Aaargh!

Out! Out! Out of my mind, damn thought!

210 SnakeSpit  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:05:56pm

re: #151 Outrider
I'll bet she did a lot of things, in the White House, that you don't want to think about.

211 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:06:01pm

re: #196 carefulnow

No such thang as digital random. Got to 'seed' it someways.

212 Sifty  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:06:30pm

IMHO, it has been a Clinton/Edwards ticket since 2004. The rest is window dressing.

Them Democrats have:

Kucinich to prove that poofda-boy Edwards is manlier than someone on Earth.

Ron Paul to peel off the interweb morons and stoners from our side.

Obama to show their diverrrsity, and to make Shrillery sound wiser and more thoughtful by comparison.

Gore takes on the mantle of Crazy Prophet of the End Times.

All the other whack-jobs on the left are androids to funnel terrified Democrat moderates to the selected "lesser evil", which is Billary/Silky '08.

The thought of any of the Dems getting to wear the big boy pants (or Mao pant suit) is panic-inducing.

Right now Fred is pissing me off. He is treating us like a date that won't let us get past 2nd Base after 10 dates! Shit or git off the pot Fred!

213 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:06:35pm

re: #206 republic

Remember when the MSM thought that the dems won the 04 election by touting their *exit* polls?

Har..was funny to watch them spin and spin when Bush really won.

214 Portland Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:07:01pm

re: #210 SnakeSpit

re: #151 Outrider
I'll bet she did a lot of things, in the White House, that you don't want to think about.

That is for sure! Bill just didn't know how to do it without getting caught!

215 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:07:19pm

81 knot wind at flight level in Flossie, and they haven't flown the entire hurricane


015030 1724N 15528W 6926 03095 9990 +057 +999 023081 092 083 043 05

216 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:07:28pm

Howdy Ho!

Here's tonites funny. This is perhaps appropriate given the subject of this thread.

217 Q-Burn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:08:08pm

re: #198 republic

Hillary can't win!

You'll all be thanking me in November of 2008.

Hillary can't win the POTUS!

When republic and David Geffen agree... you can take it to the bank.

218 Geepers  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:08:36pm

kingronjo (#182),

Drudge says that the Administration is designating the Iranian Revolutionary Guards as a terrorist group.

Oh that can't be right. Why just the other day I was told Bush isn't going to do anything about Iran because it would cause a riot in Congress.

219 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:08:42pm

I don't think he really meant it.

*snicker*

I think we should support Obama's run for President.

*stifles chuckle* [how do you spell that?]

I think Obama would make an excellent Democrat candidate for President.

For the Republ*HAHAHA*I*HAHA*can't keep a straight face when I say that.

I wish I could do that dead-pan stuff the way some of you can. But I just can't.

220 Portland Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:09:01pm

re: #216 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Howdy Ho!

Here's tonites funny. This is perhaps appropriate given the subject of this thread.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

That's a classic!

221 blackpajamas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:09:26pm

At least O-Bama doesn't support unlimted abortion, right?

Make No Mistake, President Hillary Clinton Would Promote Unlimited Abortion

Hillary -> 100% voting record for planned parenthood...

222 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:09:28pm

re: #213 Highrise

re: #206 republic

Remember when the MSM thought that the dems won the 04 election by touting their *exit* polls?

Har..was funny to watch them spin and spin when Bush really won.

Right, and then, their defense was, that the Republicans "stole" the election.

The left lies, and nothing more.

223 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:09:29pm

re: #202 Naso Tang

Obviously Obama is spending a lot of time at Daily KOS.

His nick is "Hilary's Moma."

224 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:09:41pm

re: #191 jcm

Hill could chose Bill as a running mate. The 22nd amendment only prevents some from being elected president more than twice.

Think of the campaign signs

CLINTON2 '08

How soon would he kill the B*tch?!

225 tblot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:09:43pm

Is this what the Democrats have to offer. I think they do have real problems with the independence

226 kingronjo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:10:01pm

Hillary Clinton may well wind up as the Katherine Harris POTUS candidate.

Harris won the Republican nomination handily for Senate in FL, but was trounced by Nelson. She didn't do that spectacularly with the Repub base, got beat badly by the independents and maybe got 3 Dem votes. Way too much baggage and a divisive (undeservedly) figure.

I'm thinking this might very well be Hillary's fate, esp if a real hard core leftist runs (al-gore?) and takes the moonbats with them.

227 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:10:08pm

re: #217 Q-Burn

re: #198 republic


Hillary can't win!

You'll all be thanking me in November of 2008.

Hillary can't win the POTUS!


When republic and David Geffen agree... you can take it to the bank.

Heh.

228 Bucephalas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:10:14pm

re: #206 republic

I hope you're right. Sometimes I forget that there's still a large, moderate and sensible chunk of americans that won't be cowed into voting the way the MSM wants them to. I should have more faith in the common sense of the average american and their ability to see through the crap the democracts have been selling for the past 8 years. How can you vote for someone who supported the war and then didn't and now supports it again because things are starting to look better?

229 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:10:55pm

As I learned back when Kissinger was SecState, the highest position a personal not Constitutionally eligible to be POTUS can serve as is SecState. Kissinger, not born a US citizen, could never be POTUS, and could never be House Speaker, VP or President of the Senate.


Theoretically, if Mrs Clinton left office with less than 2 years left in her term, the 22nd amendement might not cover Billy Jeff, but I suspect the interpretation of the law would bar him from running for VP.

230 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:11:01pm
But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

It's in that Constitution thingy.

231 carefulnow  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:11:21pm

#211 BZ

I was referring to this:

re: #136 Sifty

We should also work on the horrors of:

cat juggling
unlicensed hot dog carts
restroom graffiti
iPods that play the same songs too frequently when on shuffle
and and and
all other bad stuff too!
/Barry Hussein Obama

232 bosforus  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:11:42pm

re: #211 BenZacharia

re: #196 carefulnow

No such thang as digital random. Got to 'seed' it someways.

i heard a story from a friend once about a security hacking competition (eastern europe, methinks) and the winner won by hacking into the random generator that created "random" passwords and predicting the next password. know anything about that?

233 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:12:06pm

re: #215 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

81 knot wind at flight level in Flossie, and they haven't flown the entire hurricane

Gotta do sumthin Ed...

234 Portland Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:12:08pm

re: #230 Silhouette

But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

It's in that Constitution thingy.

Pesky ol' thingy!

/sarc off

235 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:12:08pm

re: #202 Naso Tang

Obviously Obama is spending a lot of time at Daily KOS.

He can also be found quite prominently at Yahoo Answers - [Link: answers.yahoo.com...]

:)

236 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:12:14pm

Forget Obama...after this Rudy is my guy!

/sexy Hiz'b'allah?

237 carefulnow  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:12:43pm

re: #211 BenZacharia
Hey, can you make that Clinton^2 sign come out here in comments as a word art shadow effect? That'd be cool!

238 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:13:19pm

re: #183 republic

I'ts going to be interesting, to see how the male, racist, sexist, homophobic, firearm owning Democrats vote in 2008.

Ha. Click on my football and read the profile. I am surrounded by them here.

239 SnakeSpit  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:13:32pm

re: #169 blackpajamas
And they will also seek to profit from selling more gas masks to the middle East when Israel is a smoldering crater.

That won't be happening. Israel will never be a smoldering crater:

240 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:13:33pm

re: #228 Bucephalas

re: #206 republic

I hope you're right. Sometimes I forget that there's still a large, moderate and sensible chunk of americans that won't be cowed into voting the way the MSM wants them to. I should have more faith in the common sense of the average american and their ability to see through the crap the democracts have been selling for the past 8 years. How can you vote for someone who supported the war and then didn't and now supports it again because things are starting to look better?


Think of it this way,

Who, besides the msm, really, is supporting Hillary?

You could throw the Daily Kos kook crowd in there, but they're as irrelavent as the msm is.

241 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:14:27pm

re: #218 Geepers

/Oh that can't be right. Why just the other day I was told Bush isn't going to do anything about Iran because it would cause a riot in Congress.

Fixed it for you! :)

242 zmdavid  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:14:31pm

re: #229 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Maybe Hillary would put Bill in her cabinet.

243 Lee Coller  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:14:43pm

re: #181 blackpajamas

re: #153 Lee Coller

Hillary is not going to have Obama as her running mate. ... My bet is on Gov. Bill Richardson as New Mexico is a swing state and it will increase her appeal to Hispanics.

Good bet. It sounds like I should try to hire you and Karl Rove then go down to the Hilton in Vegas, and start placing bets. We won't leave until we own the joint.

Hire Karl Rove, I hear he's now available. I doubt you could afford me.

244 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:14:47pm

re: #237 carefulnow

Not since Charles took away our toys.

245 tblot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:15:07pm

I will vote for Rudy but he can't root for yankees anymore which is good thing j/k

246 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:15:26pm

How's Nader doing? Is he thinking of running again?

247 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:15:40pm

We shouldn't give the koskidz too much credit that they actually will come out of their parent's basement licking the cheetoh's off their fingers and vote.

If I can recall correctly, the last election the dems kept pounding the pavement trying to get college students to vote..got a bunch of head nods from that group, but then when push came to shove..well..uhh..hey dude. we had a party on vote day..sorry missed it lol.

248 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:15:59pm

re: #238 Mich-again

re: #183 republic


I'ts going to be interesting, to see how the male, racist, sexist, homophobic, firearm owning Democrats vote in 2008.

Ha. Click on my football and read the profile. I am surrounded by them here.

Like I said, 99.9% of my extended family fits that bill, and they don't just dislike Hillary and Barack Hussein, they hate them, both.

249 Nobody's Dhimmi  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:16:22pm

#214
Welcome, Portland Patriot. I haven't met a single Lizardoid in the Northwest.
As for Bill, I can't believe his lack of shame- doing what he did and lying to the whole country about it. Why isn't he shunned like OJ?

250 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:17:05pm

Lets keep things in perspective, this is a bad-cop-good-cop pony show...Obama is the really bad cop and Hillary is the good one.

Obama purposly makes outrageous statements to push the sheep towards Hillary and the sheep will nominate her in 08 because they feel Obama is the losing pony.

We're not even seeing the puppet show, just shadows on the wall...

251 HippieforLife  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:17:09pm

This may be a silly question, but how do you decide white or black if one parent is white and the other is black? In his case it looks like he decided based on the political advantage. If he said he was white, he would be just another face.

252 Obsidiandog  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:18:09pm

If you remember nothing else, remember that Barry Obama is an ILLINOIS POLITICIAN, a creation of Dick Durbin. Louisiana and New Jersey, those bastions of public integrity, have nothing on Illinois, particularly in regard to Chicago politics. You can be dumb and corrupt as shit and win elections handily, as these fine public servants ably demonstrate.

253 Lee Coller  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:18:09pm

re: #212 Sifty

IMHO, it has been a Clinton/Edwards ticket since 2004. The rest is window dressing.

The problem with Edwards (as mentioned above) is that he is damaged goods. He's already shown he can't deliver North Carolina.

254 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:18:16pm

re: #238 Mich-again

re: #183 republic
I'ts going to be interesting, to see how the male, racist, sexist, homophobic, firearm owning Democrats vote in 2008.
Ha. Click on my football and read the profile. I am surrounded by them here.

Yup. Try being in the rural Democrat counties in this part of Georgia. So many Yellow Dog Democrats. tsk tsk tsk

255 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:18:47pm

U.S. to Designate Iran's Revolutionary Guard as Terrorists.

Bbbbut I thought they were Boy Scouts.

[Apologies to any past, present and future Boy Scouts.]

256 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:18:49pm

re: #249 Nobody's Dhimmi

I haven't met a single Lizardoid in the Northwest.

Too much rain encourages fungal growth, rots the the ole grey matter.

257 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:18:51pm

Hillary,,,"Decisions Decisions,, should I pick Obama and pander to the African American vote, which we usually get 95% of ANYWAY, or should I choose Richardson and pander to all the Hispanics who have illegal relatives here who will most likely be LEGAL by the time I run for re-election in 2012?"

258 zenren  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:18:54pm

OT - Beheading and Shooting by Russian Neo-Nazis on Video

The Russian authorities said Tuesday that they were investigating a video recording of what appeared to be the grisly execution of two bound and gagged young men, filmed in a forest beneath a large Nazi flag. At least one of the men was beheaded on camera as he lay in a shallow grave...

...The video then shows two terrified dark-skinned men kneeling in the forest under a Nazi flag. Each speaks through a gag in accented Russian, saying only, “We were arrested by National-Socialists.” One has been bound with heavy tape, the other with rope.

One of their captors shouts, “Glory to Russia!” and then lunges forward and decapitates one of the men with what appears to be a large knife. Heavy metal music plays throughout.

Later, the second captive is shown kneeling, head lowered. The bolt of a gun is heard to slam closed. The prisoner is shot in the head and falls face down into a grave. The video ends with two men in camouflage uniforms and black masks giving the Nazi salute...

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Apparently they would like non-ethnic Russians expelled from the country. Others speculate that it could be a response to activities in Chechneya. Grisly stuff.

259 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:19:09pm

re: #248 republic


Heck, republic, I live in the bay area california..and I have yet to run into anyone who LIKES hillary that is liberal..and there are a lot of liberal loons here. She is one of those people I guess that one either loves or hates..but I'm just not seeing the love from the left..hehe.

260 JustTanya  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:19:14pm

re: #195 Bill Amos

24 hour rule here ... but if it pans out, it would be great to get rid of senator blowhard. Aside from the obvious, he's just annoying.

261 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:19:24pm

re: #193 Bucephalas

re: #168 republic

re: #153 Lee Coller

Hillary is not going to have Obama as her running mate. As all political junkies know. the primary job of the running mate is to deliver the electoral votes from his/her state. As Illinois is already safely Democrat, and the Black vote is also safely Democrat, Barak Obama offers her nothing. My bet is on Gov. Bill Richardson as New Mexico is a swing state and it will increase her appeal to Hispanics.

Bill Richardson lost all support from the NRA and law abiding U.S. gun owners, with his lame voice in the debates.Richrdson is a leftist first, everything else falls below that.

Hillary, no matter who she picks, will lose the general election.

Don't be so sure. That's what over confident Democrats were saying about Bush in the 2004 elections. The Clintons are savvy campaigners and the moonbats and nutroots will be pulling out all the stops to keep the Republicans out of the White House. If anything it's this over the top, fanatical, deranged fringe that can manage to turn off the electorate so badly that the Republicans can carry the day again in 08. I predict the Democratic ticket will wind up being eaten by its own children from the world of Koz.

The Republicans want Hillary on the top of the Dem ticket.

262 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:19:46pm

re: #255 NY Nana

U.S. to Designate Iran's Revolutionary Guard as Terrorists.

Bbbbut I thought they were Boy Scouts.

[Apologies to any past, present and future Boy Scouts.]

This is a prelude to an open fight with Iran...

263 greenmamba  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:19:51pm

re: #109 jcm

Your keyboard get stuck? ;-)

Why not? It's almost certainly vinyl.

264 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:19:55pm

I popped into Nader's site to see if he was running and this is the lead story.

Just when one guesses that the standards and practices of national talk radio could go no lower, General Motors comes along to show the way to new lows.

Automotive News (August 6, 2007), the leading trade journal for the industry, reports that GM is wooing the radio stars. Its article led with the headline: “Puff Piece. Rush Limbaugh is one of the radio personalities GM is working with to talk up its vehicles.”

So, talk radio can go no lower...until...General Motors talks to them about advertising?

That's it?

I'm working real hard here, but I fail to see the Great Evil. Yes, I know they don't like cars, but the lowest low they can think of is advertising cars?

265 itellu3times  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:20:14pm

re: #61 blackpajamas

re: #42 Outrider
Hillary is nearly as green as Obama wrt foreign affairs.

But domestic affairs, badda boom!

Let's send Obama to Iraq for a few months, see which side he chooses, he's bound to learn something either way.

266 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:20:31pm

re: #251 HippieforLife

*Ding*Ding*Ding We have a winna! If Richards is a hispanic with an anglo papa shouldn't Hussein be anglo too?

267 dak  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:20:40pm

What a military genius! The whole Defence Dept had not figured that out until now! He will make a splendid Commander in Chief!

Quick, amend the Air Doctrine and throw your Sun Tzu books in the garbage. Obama the Conqueror has spoken.

268 italicus  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:20:50pm

The fact that the Democrats have someone like Obama running for President is scary. This man is clueless in general and completely naive in particular. Heaven help us.

269 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:20:52pm

re: #243 Lee Coller

re: #181 blackpajamas

re: #153 Lee Coller
Hillary is not going to have Obama as her running mate. ... My bet is on Gov. Bill Richardson as New Mexico is a swing state and it will increase her appeal to Hispanics.
Good bet. It sounds like I should try to hire you and Karl Rove then go down to the Hilton in Vegas, and start placing bets. We won't leave until we own the joint.
Hire Karl Rove, I hear he's now available. I doubt you could afford me.

Hmm.

270 Portland Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:21:01pm

re: #249 Nobody's Dhimmi

#214
Welcome, Portland Patriot. I haven't met a single Lizardoid in the Northwest.
As for Bill, I can't believe his lack of shame- doing what he did and lying to the whole country about it. Why isn't he shunned like OJ?

Thanks! Yep, there are a few of us running around. I even took the long way around, living inside the Beltway for a few years and now I'm back in the land of the liberals...

271 Student of Objectivism  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:21:11pm

WHAT AIR RAIDS?! What about the killing of our troops? Or are they sacrificial animals?

272 BrandonF  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:21:14pm

Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

273 tblot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:21:38pm

re: #250 Maximu§

In about 6 month from know should be some flame throwing going on. The Republicans can just sit back and watch what they say. Fun TV

274 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:22:07pm

re: #267 dak

What a military genius! The whole Defence Dept had not figured that out until now! He will make a splendid Commander in Chief!

Quick, amend the Air Doctrine and throw your Sun Tzu books in the garbage. Obama the Conqueror has spoken.

Id bet my next check that Obama has never even fired a Daisy BB gun...

275 Portland Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:22:15pm

re: #256 BenZacharia

re: #249 Nobody's Dhimmi


I haven't met a single Lizardoid in the Northwest.

Too much rain encourages fungal growth, rots the the ole grey matter.

Sometimes I think the fungi have more grey matter than some of our local political types...yeesh!

276 blackpajamas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:22:34pm

re: #265 itellu3times

re: #61 blackpajamas

re: #42 Outrider
Hillary is nearly as green as Obama wrt foreign affairs.

But domestic affairs, badda boom!

Let's send Obama to Iraq for a few months, see which side he chooses, he's bound to learn something either way.

If we put a tracer on Obama, we'll probably find out where Hakuna-Matada Al Sadr is hiding.

277 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:22:46pm

re: #259 Highrise

re: #248 republic


Heck, republic, I live in the bay area california..and I have yet to run into anyone who LIKES hillary that is liberal..and there are a lot of liberal loons here. She is one of those people I guess that one either loves or hates..but I'm just not seeing the love from the left..hehe.

I agree, the only support that Hillary has, is the msm, and they only account for about 0.0000000023 of the American voting population.

Maybe, just maybe, the leftist msm is going to be Hillarys undoing, as a person can only win an election, if they actually get more votes(electoral) than the other candidate, and if the msm trumps uf the Dems unrealisticlly, as they are, it will only make them look more stupid than they already do, and tht seems nearly impossible..

278 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:23:49pm

re: #265 itellu3times

But domestic affairs, badda boom!


I thought it was here husband who had domestic affairs down pat...yikes. ;-)>

279 Portland Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:24:19pm

re: #277 republic

re: #259 Highrise


re: #248 republic


Heck, republic, I live in the bay area california..and I have yet to run into anyone who LIKES hillary that is liberal..and there are a lot of liberal loons here. She is one of those people I guess that one either loves or hates..but I'm just not seeing the love from the left..hehe.


I agree, the only support that Hillary has, is the msm, and they only account for about 0.0000000023 of the American voting population.

Maybe, just maybe, the leftist msm is going to be Hillarys undoing, as a person can only win an election, if they actually get more votes(electoral) than the other candidate, and if the msm trumps uf the Dems unrealisticlly, as they are, it will only make them look more stupid than they already do, and tht seems nearly impossible..

I live in the heartland of liberalism and I still see more John Kerry Bumperstickers than Hillary Clinton ones...kinda think of it, I haven't seen a single Clinton sticker yet!

280 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:24:33pm

re: #275 Portland Patriot

Sometimes I think the fungi have more grey matter than some of our local political types...yeesh!

Locally I've met some very nice Morels.

281 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:24:40pm
282 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:25:03pm

Wouldn't Hillary be more likely to pick someone from the South? Much like her husband did with Gore?

283 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:25:30pm

re: #279 Portland Patriot

re: #277 republic


re: #259 Highrise

re: #248 republic
Heck, republic, I live in the bay area california..and I have yet to run into anyone who LIKES hillary that is liberal..and there are a lot of liberal loons here. She is one of those people I guess that one either loves or hates..but I'm just not seeing the love from the left..hehe.

I agree, the only support that Hillary has, is the msm, and they only account for about 0.0000000023 of the American voting population.
Maybe, just maybe, the leftist msm is going to be Hillarys undoing, as a person can only win an election, if they actually get more votes(electoral) than the other candidate, and if the msm trumps uf the Dems unrealisticlly, as they are, it will only make them look more stupid than they already do, and tht seems nearly impossible..

I live in the heartland of liberalism and I still see more John Kerry Bumperstickers than Hillary Clinton ones...kinda think of it, I haven't seen a single Clinton sticker yet!


Hillary very well may go down like Howard Dean did.

SCREAMMMIIINNNGGG!

284 dak  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:25:34pm

#111

The dreaded 3 engine approach eh?

285 Portland Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:25:51pm

re: #280 BenZacharia

re: #275 Portland Patriot


Sometimes I think the fungi have more grey matter than some of our local political types...yeesh!

Locally I've met some very nice Morels.

Exactly!

286 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:25:59pm

I saw my first Ron Paul bumper sticker last week. Given the area, I almost think it had to be satire. Well, I was sure laughing anyway.

287 Portland Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:26:23pm

re: #283 republic

re: #279 Portland Patriot


re: #277 republic

re: #259 Highrise

re: #248 republic
Heck, republic, I live in the bay area california..and I have yet to run into anyone who LIKES hillary that is liberal..and there are a lot of liberal loons here. She is one of those people I guess that one either loves or hates..but I'm just not seeing the love from the left..hehe.

I agree, the only support that Hillary has, is the msm, and they only account for about 0.0000000023 of the American voting population.
Maybe, just maybe, the leftist msm is going to be Hillarys undoing, as a person can only win an election, if they actually get more votes(electoral) than the other candidate, and if the msm trumps uf the Dems unrealisticlly, as they are, it will only make them look more stupid than they already do, and tht seems nearly impossible..

I live in the heartland of liberalism and I still see more John Kerry Bumperstickers than Hillary Clinton ones...kinda think of it, I haven't seen a single Clinton sticker yet!

Hillary very well may go down like Howard Dean did.

SCREAMMMIIINNNGGG!

We can only hope!

288 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:26:36pm

re: #282 Ginn

Wouldn't Hillary be more likely to pick someone from the South? Much like her husband did with Gore?

Edwards can't win his own southern state, Algore can't win his own southern state.

I hope she does.

289 blackpajamas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:27:02pm

re: #243 Lee Coller

Hire Karl Rove, I hear he's now available. I doubt you could afford me.

Not going to work for free? What are you, some kind of conservative?

290 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:27:32pm

re: #287 Portland Patriot

re: #283 republic


re: #279 Portland Patriot

re: #277 republic

re: #259 Highrise

re: #248 republic
Heck, republic, I live in the bay area california..and I have yet to run into anyone who LIKES hillary that is liberal..and there are a lot of liberal loons here. She is one of those people I guess that one either loves or hates..but I'm just not seeing the love from the left..hehe.

I agree, the only support that Hillary has, is the msm, and they only account for about 0.0000000023 of the American voting population.
Maybe, just maybe, the leftist msm is going to be Hillarys undoing, as a person can only win an election, if they actually get more votes(electoral) than the other candidate, and if the msm trumps uf the Dems unrealisticlly, as they are, it will only make them look more stupid than they already do, and tht seems nearly impossible..

I live in the heartland of liberalism and I still see more John Kerry Bumperstickers than Hillary Clinton ones...kinda think of it, I haven't seen a single Clinton sticker yet!

Hillary very well may go down like Howard Dean did.
SCREAMMMIIINNNGGG!

We can only hope!

i agree

291 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:28:03pm

re: #290 BenZacharia

re: #287 Portland Patriot


re: #283 republic

re: #279 Portland Patriot

re: #277 republic

re: #259 Highrise

re: #248 republic
Heck, republic, I live in the bay area california..and I have yet to run into anyone who LIKES hillary that is liberal..and there are a lot of liberal loons here. She is one of those people I guess that one either loves or hates..but I'm just not seeing the love from the left..hehe.

I agree, the only support that Hillary has, is the msm, and they only account for about 0.0000000023 of the American voting population.
Maybe, just maybe, the leftist msm is going to be Hillarys undoing, as a person can only win an election, if they actually get more votes(electoral) than the other candidate, and if the msm trumps uf the Dems unrealisticlly, as they are, it will only make them look more stupid than they already do, and tht seems nearly impossible..

I live in the heartland of liberalism and I still see more John Kerry Bumperstickers than Hillary Clinton ones...kinda think of it, I haven't seen a single Clinton sticker yet!

Hillary very well may go down like Howard Dean did.
SCREAMMMIIINNNGGG!

We can only hope!

i agree

oops! changed my mind

292 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:28:03pm

re: #262 Maximu§

I agree, and I also think that Israel will be involved, along with the USA..not from any pressure from President Bush or from Condi, but because Israel understands the menace all too well, sadly.

My only concern is Olmerde.

If not for Israel, and Osirak? I shudder to think.

293 Portland Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:28:23pm

re: #288 republic

re: #282 Ginn


Wouldn't Hillary be more likely to pick someone from the South? Much like her husband did with Gore?

Edwards can't win his own southern state, Algore can't win his own southern state.

I hope she does.

Maybe the mayor of New Orleans? He is a saint in their book!

294 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:28:24pm

re: #291 BenZacharia

re: #290 BenZacharia


re: #287 Portland Patriot

re: #283 republic

re: #279 Portland Patriot

re: #277 republic

re: #259 Highrise

re: #248 republic
Heck, republic, I live in the bay area california..and I have yet to run into anyone who LIKES hillary that is liberal..and there are a lot of liberal loons here. She is one of those people I guess that one either loves or hates..but I'm just not seeing the love from the left..hehe.

I agree, the only support that Hillary has, is the msm, and they only account for about 0.0000000023 of the American voting population.
Maybe, just maybe, the leftist msm is going to be Hillarys undoing, as a person can only win an election, if they actually get more votes(electoral) than the other candidate, and if the msm trumps uf the Dems unrealisticlly, as they are, it will only make them look more stupid than they already do, and tht seems nearly impossible..

I live in the heartland of liberalism and I still see more John Kerry Bumperstickers than Hillary Clinton ones...kinda think of it, I haven't seen a single Clinton sticker yet!

Hillary very well may go down like Howard Dean did.
SCREAMMMIIINNNGGG!

We can only hope!

i agree

oops! changed my mind

back to maybe

295 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:28:41pm

Clinton-Gore '08?

Their slogan could be, "Look! We're saving money all ready. We're reusing all the old signs."

296 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:28:47pm

re: #294 BenZacharia

re: #291 BenZacharia


re: #290 BenZacharia

re: #287 Portland Patriot

re: #283 republic

re: #279 Portland Patriot

re: #277 republic

re: #259 Highrise

re: #248 republic
Heck, republic, I live in the bay area california..and I have yet to run into anyone who LIKES hillary that is liberal..and there are a lot of liberal loons here. She is one of those people I guess that one either loves or hates..but I'm just not seeing the love from the left..hehe.

I agree, the only support that Hillary has, is the msm, and they only account for about 0.0000000023 of the American voting population.
Maybe, just maybe, the leftist msm is going to be Hillarys undoing, as a person can only win an election, if they actually get more votes(electoral) than the other candidate, and if the msm trumps uf the Dems unrealisticlly, as they are, it will only make them look more stupid than they already do, and tht seems nearly impossible..

I live in the heartland of liberalism and I still see more John Kerry Bumperstickers than Hillary Clinton ones...kinda think of it, I haven't seen a single Clinton sticker yet!

Hillary very well may go down like Howard Dean did.
SCREAMMMIIINNNGGG!

We can only hope!

i agree

oops! changed my mind

back to maybe

burma shave

297 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:29:00pm

re: #286 Silhouette

I saw my first Ron Paul bumper sticker last week. Given the area, I almost think it had to be satire. Well, I was sure laughing anyway


Bumper sticker? Given the way his followers do things, it must of either been crayon writing on the bumper, or "Vote Ron Paul" carved in the trunk lid.

298 SnakeSpit  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:29:14pm

re: #212 Sifty
For quite a while I was considering Thompson, but he's pissed me off now. He is starting to remind me of Ross Perot. I'll go for somebody else.

299 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:29:18pm

re: #288 republic

re: #282 Ginn

Wouldn't Hillary be more likely to pick someone from the South? Much like her husband did with Gore?
Edwards can't win his own southern state, Algore can't win his own southern state.

I hope she does.

re: #293 Portland Patriot

re: #288 republic

re: #282 Ginn

Wouldn't Hillary be more likely to pick someone from the South? Much like her husband did with Gore?

Edwards can't win his own southern state, Algore can't win his own southern state.I hope she does.
Maybe the mayor of New Orleans? He is a saint in their book!

lol... why not?

300 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:29:20pm

re: #293 Portland Patriot

re: #288 republic


re: #282 Ginn

Wouldn't Hillary be more likely to pick someone from the South? Much like her husband did with Gore?

Edwards can't win his own southern state, Algore can't win his own southern state.
I hope she does.

Maybe the mayor of New Orleans? He is a saint in their book!


He couldn't win his own state either.

301 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:29:24pm

re: #268 italicus

The fact that the Democrats have someone like Obama running for President is scary. This man is clueless in general and completely naive in particular. Heaven help us.

I agree, I mean the only thing that he has ever really done is give a fiery speech at the DNC convention.

302 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:29:34pm

re: #279 Portland Patriot

hehe. Also it makes me chuckle when the pundits assume that women will vote for hillary because she is a woman. HAR!

Most of us really dislike women like her..so while that may garner a few votes, it is not an absolute by a LONGGG shot.

It will be fun to hear her put downs of the stay at home mom's baking cookies if she does get the dem nomination..that will really make women feel great. Her staying with a repeated cheataholic doesn't bode well for the fiery feminists either. So nothing is a given when it comes to women's votes.

The fireworks are just kinda getting started...full out marshmallow and hotdog roasts are awaiting.

303 Portland Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:29:42pm

re: #290 BenZacharia

re: #287 Portland Patriot


re: #283 republic

re: #279 Portland Patriot

re: #277 republic

re: #259 Highrise

re: #248 republic
Heck, republic, I live in the bay area california..and I have yet to run into anyone who LIKES hillary that is liberal..and there are a lot of liberal loons here. She is one of those people I guess that one either loves or hates..but I'm just not seeing the love from the left..hehe.

I agree, the only support that Hillary has, is the msm, and they only account for about 0.0000000023 of the American voting population.
Maybe, just maybe, the leftist msm is going to be Hillarys undoing, as a person can only win an election, if they actually get more votes(electoral) than the other candidate, and if the msm trumps uf the Dems unrealisticlly, as they are, it will only make them look more stupid than they already do, and tht seems nearly impossible..

I live in the heartland of liberalism and I still see more John Kerry Bumperstickers than Hillary Clinton ones...kinda think of it, I haven't seen a single Clinton sticker yet!

Hillary very well may go down like Howard Dean did.
SCREAMMMIIINNNGGG!

We can only hope!

i agree

Cool ~ so someone was wondering how long one of these quote things could go...have we maxed it out yet? Are the hamsters getting all tuckered out?

304 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:29:59pm

Are y'all going for some kind of embedding quote record?

305 pat  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:30:02pm

Obama has amply demonstrated he is an Affirmative Action candidate.

306 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:30:31pm

Although not officially declared, NHC models now referring to Tropical Disturbance 91L as Tropical Depression #5L, meaning that they are going to upgrade system in 25 minutes, and issue tropical storm warnings for coastal Deep South Texas.

Meet Tropical Depression #5L

Nothing too major except for marine interests, except for 5 to 10 inches (up to 250 mm) rain along and North of landfall, likely near CRP.

307 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:30:39pm

re: #303 Portland Patriot

re: #290 BenZacharia


re: #287 Portland Patriot

re: #283 republic

re: #279 Portland Patriot

re: #277 republic

re: #259 Highrise

re: #248 republic
Heck, republic, I live in the bay area california..and I have yet to run into anyone who LIKES hillary that is liberal..and there are a lot of liberal loons here. She is one of those people I guess that one either loves or hates..but I'm just not seeing the love from the left..hehe.

I agree, the only support that Hillary has, is the msm, and they only account for about 0.0000000023 of the American voting population.
Maybe, just maybe, the leftist msm is going to be Hillarys undoing, as a person can only win an election, if they actually get more votes(electoral) than the other candidate, and if the msm trumps uf the Dems unrealisticlly, as they are, it will only make them look more stupid than they already do, and tht seems nearly impossible..

I live in the heartland of liberalism and I still see more John Kerry Bumperstickers than Hillary Clinton ones...kinda think of it, I haven't seen a single Clinton sticker yet!

Hillary very well may go down like Howard Dean did.
SCREAMMMIIINNNGGG!

We can only hope!

i agree

Cool ~ so someone was wondering how long one of these quote things could go...have we maxed it out yet? Are the hamsters getting all tuckered out?

Ron Paul!

308 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:30:59pm

This is all a ruse right?

:wink, wink, nudge, nudge:

Everyone knows Bush is going to invade Iran, suspend all the elections and declare his rightful place as Imperial Leader Of the United States... . ..

309 Portland Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:31:00pm

re: #300 republic

re: #293 Portland Patriot


re: #288 republic

re: #282 Ginn

Wouldn't Hillary be more likely to pick someone from the South? Much like her husband did with Gore?

Edwards can't win his own southern state, Algore can't win his own southern state.
I hope she does.

Maybe the mayor of New Orleans? He is a saint in their book!

He couldn't win his own state either.

Who ever said that was required? Snark!

310 Geepers  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:31:13pm

NY Nana (#255),

U.S. to Designate Iran's Revolutionary Guard as Terrorists.

I figured the comments would bring the moonbats out in full force.

And I wasn't disappointed. You didn't have to go any further than the first one:

bbjets wrote:
How soon will the world realize the center for this and the center for that is nothing more than the Jewish Lobby's influence that keeps us at war...after all Israel has been in perpetual war for centuries that now they've got U.S. is in a state of perpetural war, and want to expand it.

And I presume they now want a war with China and Russia since China is aligned with Iran.

Israel has been in perpetual war for centuries? I think someone needs to read up on their history.

311 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:31:19pm
312 Q-Burn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:31:22pm

re: #286 Silhouette

I saw my first Ron Paul bumper sticker last week. Given the area, I almost think it had to be satire. Well, I was sure laughing anyway.

Look for RP to leave the Republicans, go back to the Libertarians (or other third party) and be the Nader of 2008.

313 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:31:29pm

re: #307 BenZacharia

re: #303 Portland Patriot


re: #290 BenZacharia

re: #287 Portland Patriot

re: #283 republic

re: #279 Portland Patriot

re: #277 republic

re: #259 Highrise

re: #248 republic
Heck, republic, I live in the bay area california..and I have yet to run into anyone who LIKES hillary that is liberal..and there are a lot of liberal loons here. She is one of those people I guess that one either loves or hates..but I'm just not seeing the love from the left..hehe.

I agree, the only support that Hillary has, is the msm, and they only account for about 0.0000000023 of the American voting population.
Maybe, just maybe, the leftist msm is going to be Hillarys undoing, as a person can only win an election, if they actually get more votes(electoral) than the other candidate, and if the msm trumps uf the Dems unrealisticlly, as they are, it will only make them look more stupid than they already do, and tht seems nearly impossible..

I live in the heartland of liberalism and I still see more John Kerry Bumperstickers than Hillary Clinton ones...kinda think of it, I haven't seen a single Clinton sticker yet!

Hillary very well may go down like Howard Dean did.
SCREAMMMIIINNNGGG!

We can only hope!

i agree

Cool ~ so someone was wondering how long one of these quote things could go...have we maxed it out yet? Are the hamsters getting all tuckered out?

Ron Paul!

How very sad.

:D

314 blackpajamas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:31:39pm

re: #283 republic

Hillary very well may go down like Howard Dean did.

SCREAMMMIIINNNGGG!

Terrorists are naming a missle after Hillary. It's a short range, short sighted, very loud and grating PSYOPS weapon, mostly targeted against the U.S. financial markets and free-trade infrastructure.

315 pat  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:31:43pm

re: #306 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

20 foot waves hitting Hawaii. :)

316 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:32:00pm

re: #301 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #268 italicus

The fact that the Democrats have someone like Obama running for President is scary. This man is clueless in general and completely naive in particular. Heaven help us.
I agree, I mean the only thing that he has ever really done is give a fiery speech at the DNC convention.

Actually, PP.. Obama is very charismatic. Something the Dem side has sorely missed. Er... never had?

317 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:32:06pm

re: #302 Highrise

re: #279 Portland Patriot

hehe. Also it makes me chuckle when the pundits assume that women will vote for hillary because she is a woman. HAR!

Most of us really dislike women like her..so while that may garner a few votes, it is not an absolute by a LONGGG shot.

It will be fun to hear her put downs of the stay at home mom's baking cookies if she does get the dem nomination..that will really make women feel great. Her staying with a repeated cheataholic doesn't bode well for the fiery feminists either. So nothing is a given when it comes to women's votes.

The fireworks are just kinda getting started...full out marshmallow and hotdog roasts are awaiting.

Hillary is a woman? And here all this time I thought she was a womyn. Huh, learn something new every day!

318 thebigolddog  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:32:29pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

re: #90 thebigolddog

I don't think anyone here is taking his statement as a leftist smear against our troops. The complaint is that these airstrikes is exactly the plan he's advocating for Pakistan (except for the difference that he's going to do it without the Pakistani government approval). The enemy is hiding in schools, madrassas and houses. Intelligence is often imperfect and collateral damage is inevitable.


I am because that's exactly what it was, a smear against our troops. He implied they are indiscriminately bombing villages and killing civilians. That's a smear in the great tradition of Kerry in my book. I passed along the HA link so people could marvel at it.

319 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:32:45pm

re: #315 pat

re: #306 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

20 foot waves hitting Hawaii. :)

Get that board out!

/hi pat

320 datadude  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:32:47pm

What a water-headed stooge.

On a cooler note, this is my first time (STS). Cool!

321 hujambo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:32:55pm

Wait, so it seems most of the commenters here disapprove of more US troops being sent to Afghanistan. When did LGF become all peacenik?

Obama is right; his problem seems to be that he tells the truth.
[Link: hotair.com...]

Karzai complained about civilian deaths on his last trip to the US. Our allies in NATO criticize us for relying to heavily on air power to fight terrorists that hide among civilians. Hint: killing civilians in Afghanistan makes people hate us. Them hating us=losing the war (that's what counterinsurgency is all about, kids.)

If you think the war in Afghanistan is going well, you are probably not paying attention. Read Michael Yon. We don't have enough troops there to win. So what was wrong with Obama's statement again?

322 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:33:00pm

re: #309 Portland Patriot

re: #300 republic


re: #293 Portland Patriot

re: #288 republic

re: #282 Ginn

Wouldn't Hillary be more likely to pick someone from the South? Much like her husband did with Gore?

Edwards can't win his own southern state, Algore can't win his own southern state.
I hope she does.

Maybe the mayor of New Orleans? He is a saint in their book!

He couldn't win his own state either.

Who ever said that was required? Snark!

Algore lost the 2000 election because he couldn't win his own state.

If he'd have on Tenn., Florida would have been irrelevant

I'd say it's pretty imprtant.

323 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:33:01pm

Another thing that makes obama a joke is the fact that hollywood backs him. I mean hollywood..since when have they ever agreed with what the general public goes with?

324 blackpajamas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:33:15pm

re: #311 cbinflux

Foreigners commit 20 per cent of crime in London, say police

Let me guess, they commit the remaining 80% outside of London?

325 Portland Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:33:20pm

re: #320 datadude

What a water-headed stooge.

On a cooler note, this is my first time (STS). Cool!

Welcome datadude!

326 Sifty  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:33:25pm

re: #253 Lee Coller

re: #212 Sifty

IMHO, it has been a Clinton/Edwards ticket since 2004. The rest is window dressing.


The problem with Edwards (as mentioned above) is that he is damaged goods. He's already shown he can't deliver North Carolina.

Agreed. And Edwards' wife is gumming up the works big time! Johnny is in deep sheep-dip after Ann's comments (which rang too true for many) and the hair stylist fiasco. His mansion in the other America ain't helping.

Old EE will get the STFU from Shrillary soon. The Democrats have room for ONLY ONE woman is their tent.
And I bet we see lots of lumber-jack shirts and rolled sleeves on Johnny boy. Expect a couple theatrically mussed-up photos to spring up. Maybe some hardhat shots at a disaster. Anything to butch him up.

I think Shrillary is very angry that her minion is making this election harder than she wanted it to be.

327 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:33:41pm

re: #314 blackpajamas

re: #283 republic


Hillary very well may go down like Howard Dean did.

SCREAMMMIIINNNGGG!


Terrorists are naming a missle after Hillary. It's a short range, short sighted, very loud and grating PSYOPS weapon, mostly targeted against the U.S. financial markets and free-trade infrastructure.

You hit the nail on the head there.

328 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:33:44pm

re: #316 Ginn

re: #301 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


re: #268 italicus
The fact that the Democrats have someone like Obama running for President is scary. This man is clueless in general and completely naive in particular. Heaven help us.
I agree, I mean the only thing that he has ever really done is give a fiery speech at the DNC convention.

Actually, PP.. Obama is very charismatic. Something the Dem side has sorely missed. Er... never had?

To me, he's about as charismatic as a case of lice. But I can see your point if one were to compare him to say, Teddy Kennedy or Bill Clinton.

329 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:33:55pm

Well if the Iranian Republican Guard Corps is officially labeled a terrorist entity and the IRGC is the Mullah's own private military force, then doesn't it follow that the Mullahs themselves should be labeled terrorists? The police don't arrest the car after the chase, they arrest the driver.

The terrorist designation isn't a surprise, but it does make me wonder about the timing. Hopefully the explanation involves lots of Cruise Missiles.

330 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:34:11pm

re: #315 pat

re: #306 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

20 foot waves hitting Hawaii. :)

Where's my surfboard?...oh, there it is in the filthy Garage corner...:(

331 Portland Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:34:19pm

re: #322 republic

re: #309 Portland Patriot


re: #300 republic

re: #293 Portland Patriot

re: #288 republic

re: #282 Ginn

Wouldn't Hillary be more likely to pick someone from the South? Much like her husband did with Gore?

Edwards can't win his own southern state, Algore can't win his own southern state.
I hope she does.

Maybe the mayor of New Orleans? He is a saint in their book!

He couldn't win his own state either.

Who ever said that was required? Snark!

Algore lost the 2000 election because he couldn't win his own state.

If he'd have on Tenn., Florida would have been irrelevant

I'd say it's pretty imprtant.

I agree...but to a liberal he might be perfect...he embodies the race card they are so trying to capture!

332 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:35:03pm

re: #328 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #316 Ginn

re: #301 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #268 italicus
The fact that the Democrats have someone like Obama running for President is scary. This man is clueless in general and completely naive in particular. Heaven help us.
I agree, I mean the only thing that he has ever really done is give a fiery speech at the DNC convention.

Actually, PP.. Obama is very charismatic. Something the Dem side has sorely missed. Er... never had?
To me, he's about as charismatic as a case of lice. But I can see your point if one were to compare him to say, Teddy Kennedy or Bill Clinton.

Case of lice... yikes!

Hey PP!

333 JustTanya  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:35:21pm

re: #279 Portland Patriot

Wait, I thought I lived in lefty land (LA) :)

Anyway, now that you mention it, I haven't seen a single Hillary bumper sticker, not even at the local health food store. ;) And I still see Kerry bumper stickers; along with the usual "impeach Bush", stop the war, etc.

334 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:35:39pm

re: #321 hujambo

Wait, so it seems most of the commenters here disapprove of more US troops being sent to Afghanistan. When did LGF become all peacenik?


That is not what is being said. Try actually reading the posts instead of your interpretation of them.

335 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:35:43pm

I bet its that special Free Mason Flying Squadron causing all the trouble, huh B Hussein Obama.

336 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:35:46pm

re: #332 Ginn

Hey Ginn. How's it goin?

337 dak  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:35:48pm
Israel has been in perpetual war for centuries


Uh-hun, yes. Okay, so maybe not centuries.

But... who attacked them, repeatedly?

and (best of all)

Who won?

and (even better)

Who is so pissed off about that they go into conniption fits when you even mention it?

338 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:36:33pm

re: #321 hujambo

It has to do with his command, or lack thereof , of the Engrish ranguage. Plus the concepts he is trying to get across are dumb. Civilians die in wars. We're not targetting them, they are in the way 'cuz the ROP locate themselves in civvy areas. Wonder Why?

339 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:37:00pm

re: #331 Portland Patriot

The Dems have ridden the Civil Rights Amendment Gravy Train since 1964.

You'd think they would have had a minority at the top of the ticket at least once in over 40 years.

340 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:37:01pm

re: #321 hujambo


Uh, Barack Hussein hates the U.S. military, as do nearly all leftist Democrats.

That is clearly what makes his statement wrong.

That, and he has clearly stated, that under NO CIRCUMSTANCES would he ever use nuclear weapons.

341 Portland Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:37:03pm

re: #333 JustTanya

Totally...I see the impeach Bush stickers on a daily basis during my lovely 1 hour drive through Portland...but I ask myself, where is darling Hillary?

Remember, Nader got 5% of the vote here in the last go round!

342 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:37:04pm

I think I might pop over to the lounge...back soon.

343 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:37:21pm

re: #336 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #332 Ginn

Hey Ginn. How's it goin?

Hey PP.

I love politics.

344 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:37:32pm

re: #315 pat

re: #306 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

20 foot waves hitting Hawaii. :)

Readers at LGF and another blog knew last week what horrible fate (well, winds gusting to near hurricane force and heavy rains in windward locations) awaited the county of Hawai'i.


I didn't see the earthquake coming. That was lagniappe from the Rove/Halliburton global machine.

345 Portland Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:37:45pm

re: #339 Ginn

Ya would think!

346 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:37:59pm

Embattled NFL quarterback Michael Vick, facing federal charges related to his alleged participation in dogfighting, has been hit with a "$63,000,000,000 billion dollar" lawsuit filed by a South Carolina inmate who alleges the Atlanta Falcons star stole his pit bulls and sold them on eBay to buy "missiles from Iran," FOX News has learned.

347 datadude  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:39:01pm

re: #325 Portland Patriot
Thanks. It took me forever to finally catch the register
open.

348 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:39:23pm

re: #310 Geepers

Israel has been in perpetual war for centuries? I think someone needs to read up on their history.

Must be all the anti-Israel Conservative L3 teachers in the public schools and universities...self-hating Jews and Jew-hating lefties.

349 pat  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:39:29pm

Weather is getting funky, waves are big. What is there not to love!

/Hi Ginn

350 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:40:01pm

re: #331 Portland Patriot

re: #322 republic


re: #309 Portland Patriot

re: #300 republic

re: #293 Portland Patriot

re: #288 republic

re: #282 Ginn

Wouldn't Hillary be more likely to pick someone from the South? Much like her husband did with Gore?

Edwards can't win his own southern state, Algore can't win his own southern state.
I hope she does.

Maybe the mayor of New Orleans? He is a saint in their book!

He couldn't win his own state either.

Who ever said that was required? Snark!

Algore lost the 2000 election because he couldn't win his own state.
If he'd have on Tenn., Florida would have been irrelevant

I'd say it's pretty imprtant.


I agree...but to a liberal he might be perfect...he embodies the race card they are so trying to capture!

The left can't win if they don't get the majority of "moderate" votes.

Moderates, people who consider themselves true "moderates", do not like the kook left.

That, in itself, condemns these kook leftist Democrat candidates, of which Hillary and Barack Hussein are the head kooks.

351 kingronjo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:40:15pm

#346 cbinflux

Obviously that man is an Obama supporter. He sold Vick his dogs so Vick could buy the missiles and give them to Barry so win or lose the POTUS he can still attack Pakistan.

Brilliant!

352 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:40:15pm

re: #330 Maximu§

re: #315 pat


re: #306 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

20 foot waves hitting Hawaii. :)


Where's my surfboard!...oh, there it is in the filthy Garage corner...:(

Update: and my wetsuit has Rat Poop all over it...how nice.

353 Obsidiandog  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:40:18pm

re: #321 hujambo

Well, for one thing, the Taliban's much ballyhooed spring offensive turned into a rout as coalition forces stacked them up like cordwood, as well as killing many of their leaders.

354 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:40:19pm

hujambo

What other troll nics have you been banned under?

355 Portland Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:40:21pm

re: #347 datadude

re: #325 Portland Patriot
Thanks. It took me forever to finally catch the register
open.

I waited a long time to get in too...only been on a bit myself. Welcome to the Lizard Army

356 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:41:10pm

OT:

Bibi now heads Likud. (here we go again. :( )

357 dak  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:41:16pm

Well you know: Two centuries. The 20th and 21rst...

For public school teachers, that's 2 centuries.

Just don't touch those shuttle controls, lady.

358 Geepers  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:41:18pm

More comments from the Wasington Post's story on Bush declaring the Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps a terrorist organization:

ethicsbob88 wrote:
Even if it were true, no one can believe anything that this administration says as they have been 100 percent WRONG, 100 percent of the time. This is a slippery slope into an abyss when we understand so little about Iran, just as we understood so little about Iraq. Time for sober, careful, and intelligent thought. Unfortunately, this administration can only spin out propaganda instead of the truth.

Even if it were true?

359 Sifty  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:41:25pm

re: #346 cbinflux

Embattled NFL quarterback Michael Vick, facing federal charges related to his alleged participation in dogfighting, has been hit with a "$63,000,000,000 billion dollar" lawsuit filed by a South Carolina inmate who alleges the Atlanta Falcons star stole his pit bulls and sold them on eBay to buy "missiles from Iran," FOX News has learned.

Michael Vick is actually Ollie North in disguise! Back to his old tricks!
shooosh, secret

/tinfoil head

360 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:41:43pm

Flossie hangin' tough...

Still probably a strong Cat 1 or low end Cat 2. 'Specially as how strongest winds probably in NE quad not sampled yet.

URPN12 KNHC 150217
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
A. 15/01:52:10Z
B. 17 deg 40 min N
-15 deg 40 min W
C. 700 mb 2970 m
D. 84 kt
E. 276 deg 005 nm
F. 026 deg 091 kt
G. 284 deg 006 nm
H. 983 mb
I. 11 C/ 3084 m
J. 20 C/ 3057 m
K. 6 C/ NA
L. OPEN SE
M. C12
N. 12345/ 7
O. 0.02 / NA nm
P. AF306 0509E FLOSSIE OB 02
MAX FL WIND 91 KT NW QUAD 01:50:30 Z

361 zmdavid  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:42:02pm

re: #346 cbinflux
$63,000,000,000 billion dollar
What's that?
63,000,000,000,000,000,000 dollars squared

362 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:42:08pm

Welcome Data Dude

Welcome Portland Patriot

363 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:42:16pm

re: #354 BenZacharia

hujambo

What other troll nics have you been banned under?

When people start out with the paragraph he led with, I just roll my eyes. I was wondering the same thing too.

Yeah I'm a peacenik, pass the pipe bro!

364 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:42:35pm
365 JustTanya  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:42:39pm

re: #302 Highrise

I heard that Hillary's support among women is stronger among the unmarried and less educated. Wonder if that's because those of us who have lived a little longer, held responsible jobs, etc. know that the crap she did, and put up with, shouldn't have happened.

IMO, there's always been something psychological about her staying with Bill ... just not sure what to call it.

366 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:43:13pm

re: #358 Geepers

More comments from the Wasington Post's story on Bush declaring the Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps a terrorist organization:


ethicsbob88 wrote:
Even if it were true, no one can believe anything that this administration says as they have been 100 percent WRONG, 100 percent of the time. This is a slippery slope into an abyss when we understand so little about Iran, just as we understood so little about Iraq. Time for sober, careful, and intelligent thought. Unfortunately, this administration can only spin out propaganda instead of the truth.

Even if it were true?

Geepers, want to pitch in for a ticket for this person so they can go find out for sure? We wouldn't want him to be confused or nuttin on who the bad guys are, right?

LOL

367 Portland Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:43:13pm

re: #350 republic

re: #331 Portland Patriot


re: #322 republic

re: #309 Portland Patriot

re: #300 republic

re: #293 Portland Patriot

re: #288 republic

re: #282 Ginn

Wouldn't Hillary be more likely to pick someone from the South? Much like her husband did with Gore?

Edwards can't win his own southern state, Algore can't win his own southern state.
I hope she does.

Maybe the mayor of New Orleans? He is a saint in their book!

He couldn't win his own state either.

Who ever said that was required? Snark!

Algore lost the 2000 election because he couldn't win his own state.
If he'd have on Tenn., Florida would have been irrelevant
I'd say it's pretty imprtant.

I agree...but to a liberal he might be perfect...he embodies the race card they are so trying to capture!

The left can't win if they don't get the majority of "moderate" votes.

Moderates, people who consider themselves true "moderates", do not like the kook left.

That, in itself, condemns these kook leftist Democrat candidates, of which Hillary and Barack Hussein are the head kooks.

I think they like to be called "progressives" although the progess they bring us is always in the wrong direction! I don't think Hillary really has a snowballs chance in you know where in winning nationally. She's smart enough to steal an election and that's what keeps me awake at night!

368 dak  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:43:17pm
Even if it were true, no one can believe anything that this administration says as they have been 100 percent WRONG, 100 percent of the time.

And every word they say is a lie, including "and" and "but"

(who said that quote?)

369 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:43:21pm

re: #346 cbinflux

Embattled NFL quarterback Michael Vick, facing federal charges related to his alleged participation in dogfighting, has been hit with a "$63,000,000,000 billion dollar" lawsuit filed by a South Carolina inmate who alleges the Atlanta Falcons star stole his pit bulls and sold them on eBay to buy "missiles from Iran," FOX News has learned.


Nice of the media to insert a little redundancy with the billion.
And the prisoner gets to file all this with our tax dollars.

But, that would sure buy one hell of a lot of cheesy poos to munch on while watching the tube each night before lockdown.

370 pat  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:43:30pm

Max,
Just bought a new board and a new boogie board. LOL

371 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:43:48pm

re: #363 Highrise

re: #354 BenZacharia


hujambo

What other troll nics have you been banned under?


When people start out with the paragraph he led with, I just roll my eyes. I was wondering the same thing too.

Yeah I'm a peacenik, pass the pipe bro!

HIGHrise?

Don't bogart that shit man.

You got anything to eat?

(scratching my ass now)

372 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:44:22pm

re: #346 cbinflux

I cannot believe that is a real story.

Assuming he's being funny and is not, in fact, insane, it is pretty hilarious, but I can't say I like the waste of taxpayer money.

Lately, it just seems inmates sit around all day, thinking up nuisance law suits to file.

373 kingronjo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:44:33pm

Charles, I have been reading about how grateful all the new hatchlings are about becoming lizardoids. In the spirit of Yankee ingenuity, is it acceptable to wait anxiously for open registration, feverishly register as many as allowed and then sell the registrations on the secondary market? Seeing your popularity I believe I can make this a viable business concern.

Or maybe not

374 datadude  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:44:47pm

re: #362 Ginn
Thanks. Right back at ya.

375 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:44:54pm

re: #365 JustTanya

IMO, there's always been something psychological about her staying with Bill ... just not sure what to call it.

"Battered liberal Syndrome"

376 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:45:18pm

re: #369 Outrider

Read the whole story; it's a howler!

377 6pat6  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:45:35pm

Obama is an asshole, plain and simple.

He is a clean and articulate asshole, but still an asshole, nonetheless.

378 Portland Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:45:35pm

re: #374 datadude

Yep, I'm sure proud to be here!

379 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:45:48pm

re: #365 JustTanya
IMO, there's always been something psychological about her staying with Bill ... just not sure what to call it.

How bout just plain Stupid, some of the smartest folk Ive met didn't have a lick of common sense.

380 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:45:51pm

re: #358 Geepers

You can't question ethicsbob. He's ethical. And stuff.

381 tblot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:46:00pm

re: #365 JustTanya

Do the unmarried and less educated even have time to vote

382 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:46:07pm
383 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:46:15pm

re: #375 republic

re: #365 JustTanya

IMO, there's always been something psychological about her staying with Bill ... just not sure what to call it.
"Battered liberal Syndrome"

lol!

384 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:46:49pm

re: #370 pat

Max,
Just bought a new board and a new boogie board. LOL


WooHoo...catch one for old Max.

385 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:47:00pm
386 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:47:07pm

re: #381 tblot

Actually no.

Protesting & registering dead people leaves one little time for their own civic duty.

387 Portland Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:47:26pm

re: #382 ploome hineni

It was inspired by a previous poster so I took it up as a challenge...I'll behave...

388 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:47:28pm

Highrise,
I tried a search on its' comments, non, all deleted.

389 blackpajamas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:47:45pm

re: #383 Ginn

re: #375 republic

re: #365 JustTanya

IMO, there's always been something psychological about her staying with Bill ... just not sure what to call it.

"Battered liberal Syndrome"

lol!

Hillary belongs in a Tempura House. It's a home for lightly battered women.

390 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:47:57pm

re: #321 hujambo

Actually, the US turned things over to NATO - and NATO simply lacks the troops. US forces that are in Afghanistan are able to control their sectors, but NATO forces simply lack the initiative to take the fight to the Taliban.

Further complicating matters is the fact that the NWFP and Warizistan are safe havens - just across the border from Afghanistan and the Taliban and Al Qaeda can freely enter and retreat because the Pakistanis have screwed the pooch on dealing with the Islamists in their backyard.

Killing the enemy is a difficult business when the enemy hides among civilian populations. Then, there's the not insignificant problem of having a media that takes the Taliban line on air strikes or artillery strikes, which claims that the US strikes killed no one but civilians.

On closer inspection those Taliban claims don't hold water - all killed were military aged folks, and all had weapons, among others. Or the Taliban themselves later acknowledge that they got pasted by coalition forces.

The media can't keep score easily because they simply don't have any way to count - and they acknowledge it in the same breath that they pronounce that the US kills more than the Taliban. Such statements become fact for purposes of propaganda - and it is hard to counter such nonsense in light of the fact that no one really knows how to differentiate a Taliban from a civilian when they are dressed the same, both are usually armed, and will often gather in numbers.

391 RTLM  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:48:37pm

And what about that Church of his...
Trinity United Church of Christ

# Reverend Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. on 9/11: "White America got their wake-up call after 9/11. White America and the Western world came to realize people of color had not gone away, faded in the woodwork, or just disappeared as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns." On the Sunday after the attacks, Dr. Wright blamed America." target="_blank">Trinity United Church of Christ
# Wright on 9/11: "White America got their wake-up call after 9/11. White America and the Western world came to realize people of color had not gone away, faded in the woodwork, or just disappeared as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns." On the Sunday after the attacks, Dr. Wright blamed America.

# Wright on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway: "Black women are being raped daily in Africa. One white girl from Alabama gets drunk at a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and gives it up while in a foreign country and that stays in the news for months."

# Wright on Israel: "The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years now. Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community and wake up Americans concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism."

# Wright on America: He has used the term "middleclassness" in a derogatory manner; frequently mentions "white arrogance" and the "oppression" of African-Americans today; and has referred to "this racist United States of America."

Romney and Rudy have had to answer repeatedly for their religious beliefs. Obama should too.

392 pat  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:48:42pm

re: #311 cbinflux
21% in America, with an estimated 31% real value because many crimes are not reported by immigration status. 28% of violent Federal crimes. Muslims account for a minuscule portion here, but the rate of financial crime per population among American Muslims may be phenomenal via anecdotal reports . This can be expected in a cult that does not believe truth has meaning. (and cats being held by a single leg is hilarious humor)

393 datadude  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:48:46pm

re: #378 Portland Patriot

Feels right at home. I love the fact that the level
of humor, info & intellect is all right up there! Not
to mention the occasional belly laugh at the grilling
of the occasional trolls. (Tears in his eyes)...

394 hujambo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:48:46pm

Obama wants more troops in Afghanistan. That's what he's saying. 90% of people here say that's the dumbest thing they ever heard.

Maybe you understand what he's saying and pretend not to; maybe you just don't understand. I just think he's going to have to mess up a whole lot worse than, say, making a common sense statement about the unholy stupidity of the current administration's handling of military strategy.

Someone please explain how putting so much into Iraq was a good idea while the war in Afghanistan was not yet won.

395 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:48:50pm

re: #381 tblot

re: #365 JustTanya

Do the unmarried and less educated even have time to vote

It's not an issue of them having, or not having time to vote.

396 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:49:05pm

re: #389 blackpajamas


Shit!

Yeah, that's the one where you are just browsing and kicks in the nuts unexpectedly.

That was great.

397 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:49:08pm

re: #389 blackpajamas

re: #383 Ginn


re: #375 republic

re: #365 JustTanya

IMO, there's always been something psychological about her staying with Bill ... just not sure what to call it.

"Battered liberal Syndrome"

lol!

Hillary belongs in a Tempura House. It's a home for lightly battered women.

Now you did it...Im hungry for Tempura and Sushi

398 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:49:16pm

re: #365 JustTanya

IMO, there's always been something psychological about her staying with Bill ... just not sure what to call it.

Its not about forgiveness or unconditional love. Her political ambition is more important to her than anything else in her world. And thats why she shouldn't be President.

399 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:49:33pm

re: #373 kingronjo

Cyber SQUATTER!

400 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:49:58pm

Tropical Storm Watch now in effect from Rio San Fernando, TAMPS. to Freeport, TX. Landfall early Thursday as a 45 to 60 mph 'nuisance' tropical storm somewhere near CRP.


Looks like NHC probably didn't really want to upgrade TD #5, as top reco winds only about 25 mph, but if they waited until morning
they wouldn't be able to issue watches in time for evening news. Can't issue watches w/o a declared tropical cyclone.


TD #5 is just the antipasto for the probable Cat 3 or Cat 4 a shade over a week away from probable landfall near MIA w/ second landfall near MOB

401 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:50:41pm
402 kingronjo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:50:49pm

#390 lawhawk

You are right concerning the turnover to NATO hampering the war in Afghanistan. In addition to NATO countries not supplying enough troops, I believe only 4 of them (USA, Britain, Canada and the Netherlands) have rules of engagement that allow the use of deadly force outside of self-defense. Try to win a war with that one tiny stipulation over your heads.

403 JustTanya  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:51:20pm

re: #341 Portland Patriot

Yep, and everytime I think about moving back, I remember just how left my home state has become. sigh.

404 pat  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:51:24pm

I had Tempura for lunch. Just saying.

405 datadude  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:51:45pm

OK. Need to jet for now. Be back after a bit.

406 Geepers  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:51:46pm

Silhouette (#380),

You can't question ethicsbob. He's ethical. And stuff.

LOL.

407 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:52:45pm

#96 outrider

Very true. But she does have the benefit of at least being around the events as they were happening as First Lady. I don't know how much she absorbed, but it has to be more than Obama. Neither of them has much experience in national politics and limited experience in state politics, which is another ball game altogether.

Hilary couldn't even run the damn White House staff.
Her Health-care deal was a debacle.
Her work as an atty produced nothing of consequence.
Her one and only success?
She married some jerk who managed to become president and messed that up by committing 1 to many sexual harassments and fooling around with a homely 18 yr old.

Hey, yeah! Lets give these two buffoons another 8 years!

408 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:53:44pm

re: #394 hujambo

Obama wants more troops in Afghanistan. That's what he's saying. 90% of people here say that's the dumbest thing they ever heard.

Maybe you understand what he's saying and pretend not to; maybe you just don't understand. I just think he's going to have to mess up a whole lot worse than, say, making a common sense statement about the unholy stupidity of the current administration's handling of military strategy.

Someone please explain how putting so much into Iraq was a good idea while the war in Afghanistan was not yet won.

First of all, you dumbass, the U.S. is not, I repeat IS NOT just air-raidiing villages, or killing civilians in Afghanistan, the U.S. and NATO are stacking up dead Taliban in large piles, daily.

Secondly, Barack Hussein has been screaming for several years now, to bring ALL our troops home.

You are a dumbass, pure and simple.

409 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:54:07pm
410 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:54:09pm

re: #390 lawhawk


I hope hujambo reads you excellant post cafefully, but I have my doubts. I read some bad things about German troops in Afghanistan, like how they can no longer fight effectively.

They're a long way from the German soldier's of the 1940's...

411 itellu3times  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:54:15pm

re: #321 hujambo

Obama is right; his problem seems to be that he tells the truth.
[Link: hotair.com...]

Karzai complained about civilian deaths on his last trip to the US. Our allies in NATO criticize us for relying to heavily on air power to fight terrorists that hide among civilians. Hint: killing civilians in Afghanistan makes people hate us. Them hating us=losing the war (that's what counterinsurgency is all about, kids.)

So, your understanding of military matters is pretty much aligned with Obamas, huh.

There are those who say counterinsurgency is bunk. That's close to the truth, but ok, it's a slight exaggeration. It's an expensive sport, in which we give away all of our leverage as a superpower. The alternatives require a stronger stomach than we seem ready to exert. But even then, your statement is crap. In an insurgency, all those who are fighting you are "civilians" of one stripe or another. If you think you can't kill civilians, you may as well go home.

Further, there is a full spectrum of sympathizers with the insurgents. Some of them are best killed, and killing a few provides huge leverage with the rest. You don't have to get into a contest with the bad guys, but if you withhold 100%, it's doubtful you can win.

We're actually having some quiet successes with counterinsurgency in the Phillipines, and who knows where else. It works better, quietly. Where things aren't quiet, basically you're not doing counterinsurgency anyway.

You sound like a halfway intelligent fellow, but you need to buy a clue.

412 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:54:24pm

re: #394 hujambo

Okay, I going out on a limb here.

Please opine why you think more troops in Afghanistan would be effective?

Be serious, as I am not beating you down, but I think your new, and you threw it out there.

413 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:54:43pm

re: #407 hous bin pharteen

Her Health-care deal was a debacle.


Her face was PRICELESS when Bush was giving the state of the union address when he talked about healthcare. I was actually a little surprised that they put a camera on her. The eye twitching...and the set jaw was hilarious to watch.

414 blackpajamas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:55:25pm

re: #373 kingronjo

...In the spirit of Yankee ingenuity, is it acceptable to... feverishly register as many as allowed and then sell the registrations on the secondary market?

Fetch the carcass of Wen Jiabao, then have it stuffed in an nice Al Gore scream pose, and I'll trade you my account.

415 easy  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:55:31pm

re: #394 hujambo

So you think the Soviet model is best? We had ~200 sets of boots on the ground when Kandahar and Kabul fell to the Northern Alliance. Are you suggesting that the Taliban are now in control of Afghanistan?

416 JustTanya  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:55:58pm

re: #375 republic

ROFLOL! thanks.

417 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:56:01pm

re: #409 ploome hineni

Thank you.

418 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:56:11pm

Hujamboob

So, what other nics have you had here? And why did Charles delete all of your comments prior to this date?

419 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:56:35pm

re: #412 formercorpsman

Nope, not new:

Registered lizardoid since: Apr 22, 2005 at 8:37 am

No. of comments posted (since July 26, 2004): 94


And you are a nice guy :P

420 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:56:44pm

re: #416 JustTanya

re: #375 republic

ROFLOL! thanks.


My pleasure.

421 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:57:01pm
422 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:57:09pm

re: #404 pat

I had Tempura for lunch. Just saying.

Oh, 1st you had to tell me you got a new surf board and NOOOWWW your telling me you had Tempura for lunch?

Im having a bad day...:(

423 itellu3times  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:57:43pm

re: #394 hujambo

Obama wants more troops in Afghanistan. That's what he's saying. 90% of people here say that's the dumbest thing they ever heard.
...
Someone please explain how putting so much into Iraq was a good idea while the war in Afghanistan was not yet won.

Answer: we didn't put so much into Iraq, and we probably put in too much even so, but these were both exercises in new-age military action. It is totally unclear whether ten times the troops in either or both locations would make a rat's ass of difference. Petreus' recent success is more rules of engagement than troop strength, it's not the number of troops that has Maliki bouncing off the walls, and it's not the number of troops that is chasing al-Qaeda.

424 hujambo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:59:41pm

#408 Obama said that when? He has wanted all troops out of Iraq, not Afghanistan. He has publicly stated that he would focus on winning in Afghanistan while drawing down in Iraq.

Do you have anything to add about the relative wisdom of this, or is calling me a dumbass enough?

425 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:59:47pm

It seems that every time Obama opens his mouth, Hillary becomes more of a shoe-in.

426 Geepers  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:59:58pm

More comments from the Washington Post's story on Bush declaring the Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps a terrorist organization.

Bring up the ME and the Jew haters come out of the woodwork:


dan3 wrote:
Pakistan ISI funds 9/11, Saudi and UAE provide the hijackers, Egypt funds the Sunni insurgence and we get our panties in a wad over Iran.

Retard foreign policy or orders from Likud party and AIPAC? I suspect both.

I'm sure dan3 three would support invading Pakistan, Saudi Arabia the UAE and Egypt. Right?

tddroy wrote:
Iranians should be severely punished because:
1- Their country is located on our oil fields.
2- They kicked out the brutal dictator we installed and supported for decades.
3- They don’t agree with our open market let us rape you forever economic policy.
4- They support the Palestinian people vs an inhumane and apartheid regime called Zionistan.

Iran should be bombed because Cheney and Israel say so.

By the way, we have to pay for it with the life of our children and our tax money.

Zionistan? I don't think tddroy gets the whole concept of why you add "stan" to names.

427 RTLM  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 7:59:58pm

Obama's a stuffed suit - a fake and a pretender. He's typical of the Military-hating (America-hating) Leftist Dems. Given pass after pass for uttering the stupidest tripe anyone, especially a US Senator, could possibly say.

Obama - pack on a good 30LBS and then come see me. You pencil neck.

428 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:00:10pm

Why aren't the extreme kook left, like the Daily Kos, screaming bloody murder at Barack Huseins plan tp put more troops in Afghanistan?

Here I thought the likes of the Kos, are against all war, and, they hate our brave troops, and yet, their kook candidate gets a free pass from them, after he calls for more troops on the ground in Afghanistan?

Barack Hussein, "more troops in Afghanistan"

I wonder how the "Screw Em" kooks feel about that!

429 Right Wing Nut Job  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:00:28pm

re: #321 hujambo

Wait, so it seems most of the commenters here disapprove of more US troops being sent to Afghanistan. When did LGF become all peacenik?
...

I don't really care whether we pick one theater or another. Just that, if we do pick a fight, we fight to win. I believe we are wimping out with uber-PC.

430 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:00:40pm

Hujambo... The words of Christopher Hitchens.. from two years ago.. August

It never seemed to me that there was any alternative to confronting the reality of Iraq, which was already on the verge of implosion and might, if left to rot and crash, have become to the region what the Congo is to Central Africa: a vortex of chaos and misery that would draw in opportunistic interventions from Turkey, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. Bad as Iraq may look now, it is nothing to what it would have become without the steadying influence of coalition forces. None of the many blunders in postwar planning make any essential difference to that conclusion. Indeed, by drawing attention to the ruined condition of the Iraqi society and its infrastructure, they serve to reinforce the point.

[Link: www.slate.com...]

Do they suppose that a defeat in Iraq would be a defeat only for the Bush administration? The United States is awash in human rights groups, feminist organizations, ecological foundations, and committees for the rights of minorities. How come there is not a huge voluntary effort to help and to publicize the efforts to find the hundreds of thousands of "missing" Iraqis, to support Iraqi women's battle against fundamentalists, to assist in the recuperation of the marsh Arab wetlands, and to underwrite the struggle of the Kurds, the largest stateless people in the Middle East? Is Abu Ghraib really the only subject that interests our humanitarians?

431 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:01:01pm

re: #356 WrathofG-d

My response to this.

432 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:01:12pm

re: #419 Highrise

I am willing to hear someone out.

I think the glaring difference between folks like him/her, are the obvious nature of how they base their arguments.

It was like listening to Randi Rhoades, or Rosie.

They think it enough to pose the question, follow the question mark with a high pitch hmmm, and somehow this legitimizes their point of view.

Of course their point of view is never articulated beyond accusation. They presume everything is fact, and they are only smart enough to throw the questions out there.

433 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:01:14pm

Hey Charles...
Dance Party?

Dan Blather: taking your hogs to a very poor market.

Uh, Dan, she just asked for your advice.

434 itellu3times  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:01:14pm

re: #321 hujambo

Our allies in NATO criticize us for relying to heavily on air power to fight terrorists that hide among civilians.

Dang it, I forgot to answer this other howler in your rant.

"Our allies in NATO", is it? They don't *have* any air power of their own to spend, they're just talking through their hats.

As to the best and proper use of our air power, I'm your worst nightmare, and you should get down on your knees and give a million thanks that President Bush is much closer to your idea of how it should go, than he is to mine.

435 blackpajamas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:01:37pm

Here's a photo of 'Illery doing her best Ayn Rand impression.

436 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:01:44pm

re: #424 hujambo

#408 Obama said that when? He has wanted all troops out of Iraq, not Afghanistan. He has publicly stated that he would focus on winning in Afghanistan while drawing down in Iraq.

Do you have anything to add about the relative wisdom of this, or is calling me a dumbass enough?


Calling you a dumbas, is enough for me.

That's ll that needs to be said.

437 easy  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:02:09pm

Too late.

438 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:02:15pm
439 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:02:35pm

re: #435 blackpajamas

Here's a photo of 'Illery doing her best Ayn Rand impression.

God that picture is going to give me nightmares...

440 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:03:34pm

re: #424 hujambo

#408 Obama said that when? He has wanted all troops out of Iraq, not Afghanistan. He has publicly stated that he would focus on winning in Afghanistan while drawing down in Iraq.

Do you have anything to add about the relative wisdom of this, or is calling me a dumbass enough?

Whether Iraq was a mistake or not, whaqt do you think will happen in Iraq if the US turns tail and runs away? Do you think it will remain contained to Iraq?

Do you think proving Osama bin Laden's observation after Clinton pulled forces from Somalia, that America was a paper tiger, and would run as soon as there were any casualties, is a good idea?

441 itellu3times  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:03:48pm

re: #435 blackpajamas

Here's a photo of 'Illery doing her best Ayn Rand impression.

Er, yeah? Ms. Ayn wore a lot of pink plastic pearls?

442 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:04:17pm
443 sngnsgt  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:04:47pm

Osama Obama!

444 Obsidiandog  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:04:51pm

re: #394 hujambo

It isn't because he said it, it is because it is nothing but a cynical ploy to try to show that he has as big balls as Hillary. Nobody really believes that Barry believes in the armed forces or their mission. And you don't play cards by showing everybody all your cards.

445 JustTanya  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:05:41pm

re: #423 itellu3times

Petreus' recent success is more rules of engagement than troop strength, it's not the number of troops that has Maliki bouncing off the walls, and it's not the number of troops that is chasing al-Qaeda.

I agree.

446 screaming_eagle  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:05:54pm

Obama can f*ck off

447 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:06:15pm

re: #422 Maximu§

So you had a bad day? Sorry!

448 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:06:33pm

#394 hujambo

Pay attention ass hat.
I am going to esplain this too you only this once.

When you make contact with the enemy in a place like the Stan and you want to kill as many of them as you can, you call in the quickest thing that is going to get there.
You wait around for troops to load up and get out there all those little Jihadis are going to be long gone.

Find them
Fix them
Finnish them

Now go learn something before spouting off about Bush screwing up the war in Afghanistan.

449 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:06:33pm

[Link: www.slate.com...]

The founder of al-Qaida in Mesopotamia was Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who we can now gratefully describe as "the late." The first thing to notice about him is that he was in Iraq before we were. The second thing to notice is that he fled to Iraq only because he, and many others like him, had been driven out of Afghanistan. Thus, by the logic of those who say that Afghanistan is the "real" war, he would have been better left as he was. Without the overthrow of the Taliban, he and his collaborators would not have moved to take advantage of the next failed/rogue state. I hope you can spot the simple error of reasoning that is involved in this belief. It also involves the defeatist suggestion—which was very salient in the opposition to the intervention in Afghanistan—that it's pointless to try to crush such people because "others will spring up in their place." Those who take this view should have the courage to stand by it and not invent a straw-man argument.

Hitchens

450 blackpajamas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:06:36pm

re: #441 itellu3times

re: #435 blackpajamas

Here's a photo of 'Illery doing her best Ayn Rand impression.

Er, yeah? Ms. Ayn wore a lot of pink plastic pearls?

It's the facial expression and the hair cut where I see the resemblance.

451 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:06:52pm

re: #435 blackpajamas

Here's a photo of 'Illery doing her best Ayn Rand impression.

Bill siad that Monica looked like this when... and that she always protected her dress.

452 republic  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:06:57pm

I'm thinking that hujambo is a troll from the Daily Kos crowd, here, as a complete hypocrite, hating the war, hating our troops, and he's trying to get a rise out of the crowd here.

He hates our country, he hates our troops, and yet somehow, he thinks that Obama has the right idea, when he's aginst all war, and he hates our troops.

Go back to the Kos joewilson.

453 pat  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:07:40pm

There is not much to like about Hillary as a candidate. She is stubborn, inappropriately vain, has a shrill voice and bad temper. On the other hand, she regards recycled ideas as original and thinks exciting a crowd amounts to ill-timed applause line. Compounded with Pelosi eyes and a double-wide butt, the picture is not pretty.

454 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:07:48pm

re: #346 cbinflux

Embattled NFL quarterback Michael Vick, facing federal charges related to his alleged participation in dogfighting, has been hit with a "$63,000,000,000 billion dollar" lawsuit filed by a South Carolina inmate who alleges the Atlanta Falcons star stole his pit bulls and sold them on eBay to buy "missiles from Iran," FOX News has learned.

You can't make this stuff up.

455 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:08:08pm

pimf, said

456 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:08:08pm

NY Nana:

Those that should be running Likud!

Oh seems we agree.

But the Book says that Bibi has to win now...after the s___ goes down will we get someone like Moshe Feiglin.

457 Right Wing Nut Job  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:08:59pm

re: #370 pat

Max,
Just bought a new board and a new boogie board. LOL

My kids bought me a kayak for Fathers' Day. But here, in Nebraska, we don't have extreme whitewater.

458 Geepers  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:09:12pm

republic (#452),

Go back to the Kos joewilson.

joewilson is getalife in kosland.

459 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:09:18pm

re: #447 NY Nana

re: #422 Maximu§

So you had a bad day? Sorry!

LOL, TY Princess...I feel a little better.

460 gromster  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:10:15pm

Obama:
"...requires us to have enough troops so that we’re not just air-raiding villages"

That's strange. Anytime I see news coverage of Iraq, I see U.S. marines on foot, walking down streets, or searching homes.

I thought the air raids were mainly used at the beginning, during the "shock and awe" phase?

And I think air attacks were used only a few times since then, like if our side found out some terrorist was hiding at location "X," then our guys would fly over "X" and bomb it.

461 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:10:23pm

I suppose hujambo believes Islam is a religion of peace, and the real threat to our country is the Christofacists who oppose unlimited taxpayer funded abortions and gay marriages?


Still, I hope he doesn't get the stick. I've seen complaints about KoSsacks like Chen Zen and Nodrog, but if nobody ever says anything stupid we can jump on, what is the fun of that.


Probably why Chen Zen posts here. Anybody who doesn't follow the hive mentality as KoS is instantly banned, and all those people agreeing that Bush is Hitler, Faux News is neocon propaganda, even CBS and CNN are suspected of being Republican puppets, and Halliburton and Israel run our government must get dull after a while.

462 ZenLizard  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:10:37pm

Democrat OR Republican, I just don't think America's ready for a grey President yet.

463 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:11:31pm

re: #456 WrathofG-d

I read that as 'faigele'. *snork

464 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:12:29pm

#424 Hujambo

Yeah,
They are all going to move to Iraq when we pull out.
You didn't notice that big freakin country in between did ya?

How many armored divisions should we send to the Stan?
How many heavy mech?
Whats your plan General McClellan?

465 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:12:42pm

re: #463 BenZacharia

Funny...but quite the opposite. I think Israel elected the Feigile to run Likud.

466 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:12:43pm

B. Hussein Obama= Bad Cop
Hillary Clinton= Good Cop

He makes her looks warm and fuzzy and sane.
She picks him as her running dogmate.

The Kossacks line up and sign up for him.

And the MSM trumpets "The Amazing Multicultural Technicolor Ticket"

...meanwhile I'll never stop thinking about tomorrow.

467 pat  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:14:39pm

No Submission had a good line about the Rove thing. Another Moonbat Monday. So I bring you the Bangles, in a classy song.


Save it for next Monday.

468 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:15:07pm

#461 Ed.

Dude.
Check out Sura 109s "Diary" on Kos.
The link is on his football.
He is all afraid of the Hindus taking over the public schools.
I guess your only racist & fascists if your against Islam.
Any other religion to persecute is a-okay.

469 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:15:25pm

re: #462 ZenLizard

Democrat OR Republican, I just don't think America's ready for a grey President yet.

Doesn't make a difference to me, as long as they believe as we do...then they got my vote. Color's not the issue, but whats beneath is what counts.

470 sngnsgt  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:16:46pm

re: #459 Maximu§

re: #447 NY Nana


re: #422 Maximu§

So you had a bad day? Sorry!


LOL, TY Princess...I feel a little better.

Yes, thx, I needed that... ;-)

471 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:17:30pm

Trolls shouldn't act hurt when someone calls them a name...especially after they made a sweeping generalization calling us peaceniks :P .

That is SO obama like..just like his ears!

472 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:17:31pm

re: #466 mondoreb

And the MSM trumpets "The Amazing Multicultural Technicolor Ticket"


Cool...

473 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:17:37pm

re: #465 WrathofG-d
I was referring to my tendencies toward dyslexia, sometimes things get scrambled and in a gestalt I saw 'Faigele' instead of 'Feiglin'.

474 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:18:14pm

re: #456 WrathofG-d

We are on the very same wave length. I got a long email from Manigut Yehudit over a week ago, and am furious with me..I deleted it in error. If I were an Israeli? I would vote for him in a nano-second. And yes, Bibi will screw up, but nowhere as badly as Olmerde and his merry gang of thugs. Bibi can be both forceful and a bit tricky at the same time.

Moshe Feiglin? A mensch...and a very courageous man, who stands his ground.

475 Verity Kindle  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:19:47pm

re: #31 ripper

heh. "Lady McBubba"- I've never heard this one! Literate, yet so insulting on so many levels! That is how I shall think of her from now on. Thanks! =)

476 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:19:48pm

re: #474 NY Nana


Moshe Feiglin? A mensch...and a very courageous man, who stands his ground.

You mean: An authentic Jew.

477 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:20:13pm

re: #394 hujambo

Obama wants more troops in Afghanistan. That's what he's saying. 90% of people here say that's the dumbest thing they ever heard.

Maybe you understand what he's saying and pretend not to; maybe you just don't understand. I just think he's going to have to mess up a whole lot worse than, say, making a common sense statement about the unholy stupidity of the current administration's handling of military strategy.

Someone please explain how putting so much into Iraq was a good idea while the war in Afghanistan was not yet won.

OK...let's see if I get this straight...

1 The action's in Iraq.
2 Since we've committed more troops to Iraq, things are starting to get done.
3 Afghanistan is reasonably stable in a many provinces.
4 So let's take out the troops in Iraq, and send them to Afghanistan, letting things collapse there?!?

OK...let's get right on that.

478 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:20:23pm

re: #459 Maximu§

I feel a little better.

Good!

479 blackpajamas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:20:56pm

re: #473 BenZacharia

re: #465 WrathofG-d
I was referring to my tendencies toward dyslexia, sometimes things get scrambled and in a gestalt I saw 'Faigele' instead of 'Feiglin'.

Put "dyslexia" into the internet anagram server, you'll get "Daily ___".

480 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:21:02pm

re: #474 NY Nana

You should do what I was considering looking into today... Israeli citizenship.

481 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:21:22pm
482 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:21:32pm

re: #472 Ginn

Indeed.

483 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:21:56pm
“Michael Vick has to stop physically hurting my feelings and dashing my hopes,” Riches writes in the complaint.

Riches wants $63 billion dollars “backed by gold and silver “ delivered to the front gates to the Williamsburg Federal Correctional facility in South Carolina. Riches is an inmate at the facility serving out a wire fraud conviction.

ya know what's even funnier? that he was allowed to file it in the first place.

/do we need to start having examples as 'encouragement to others'?

484 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:22:59pm

Pay attention kiddies.

B Hussein was talking about the Stan in that quote.
Not Iraq.
The plan for Iraq is run away like a bunch of cowards as fast as possible, ignoring the fact that this would give the Jihad a MASSIVE victory against the Great Satan (thats us hujambo)
and a HUGE propaganda victory.

These asshat libs are all for the empathy thing.
How about empathy with the lowly muslim Jihadi that just had his faith in Allah proven by the fact that they kicked the greatest power the world has ever known out of Iraq.

Not like that is going to recruit any new members, huh.

485 pat  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:23:05pm

#461 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet
If you ever had a chance to talk with CZ in the lounge, you would know he is very polite and can carry a conversation into the usual dregs of humor that the loungers degenerate too when having fun.

486 hujambo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:23:19pm

Followers of the silver spoon former governor of Texas, hear me: I am a lib, lib, liberal, and I don't hate the military. I hate how incredibly incompetent this administration has been in Iraq and Afghanistan. Someone comes out and criticizes it in a sensible way, I support them. It's time to take Obama seriously; at least he talks to people like they're adults. No rhetoric about "haters of freedom" and "dead-enders" and on and on... playing gotcha with his statement is silly, as it's substantive. It doesn't tar the military; it's insulting to me when the reality of war is denied, i.e. it's morally disgusting to me when it's denied that our massive firepower doesn't kill innocent people... the point is to decide if it's worth it or not in the end. In Afghanistan, it's counterproductive; Obama says more ground troops would lessen our dependency on air power. It's an entirely different war than it was in the beginning, when the special forces and the northern alliance pushed the Taliban from power. It's reconstruction now, and we're in it against Iran and the Pakistani ISI crazies... and the effort has been sorely neglected. Because of Iraq. And that was a big mistake.

That's all... just sayin'

487 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:24:48pm

re: #481 cbinflux

BREAKING NEWS
1922 edition of WASHINGTON POST: 'Arctic Ocean Getting Warm; Seals Vanish and Icebergs Melt'...

/Damned Model T's!


You read Joe Bastardi, don't you?

Always good to know other weather fans on LGF.

488 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:25:06pm

re: #476 WrathofG-d

An authentic Jew.

Exactly. And Israel needs him. The time is overdue...but we have to hope to see Olmerde and Tzipi Feigele Livni? Begone! CiJ has prescience.

489 screaming_eagle  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:25:13pm

re: #481 cbinflux

BREAKING NEWS
1922 edition of WASHINGTON POST: 'Arctic Ocean Getting Warm; Seals Vanish and Icebergs Melt'...

/Damned Model T's!


I didn't realize Hummer made a model T

490 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:25:24pm

re: #486 hujambo

Prove it. What's your nic on the daily kos?

491 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:26:10pm

Ahmedinejad has 'doubts' Iran arming Taliban

KABUL, Afghanistan – Iran's president said Tuesday he has ``serious doubts" that his country is supplying weapons to Taliban insurgents in Afghanistan, refuting allegations by some Western officials that Iran is arming the militants.

Speaking during his first-ever visit to Afghanistan, President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad called Iran's eastern neighbour a "brotherly nation" whose stability is paramount for the region.

When asked if Iran is supplying weapons to the Taliban by a reporter from Voice of America, a U.S.-funded outlet, Ahmedinejad laughed and said the United States doesn't want Afghanistan and Iran to be friends.

"The same allegation are made in Iraq. They are saying that they discover some weapons," Ahmedinejad said at a news conference with Afghan President Hamid Karzai. "What is the reason why they are saying such things? Iran is a big country. I have serious doubts about this issue.''

/So that's a "No", right?

492 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:26:27pm

re: #394 hujambo

hujambo

493 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:26:50pm

re: #482 mondoreb

re: #472 Ginn

Indeed.

Very cool.

Was it yours?

494 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:27:11pm

re: #487 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

I do like his work, and I read ~ everything. Sleep is highly o'rated.

495 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:27:26pm

This guy's mouth has never run into a foot it didn't love.

I figured when he insulted our troops on the second day of his campaign it was just a fluke... He's screwed up a bunch more since then. Is anybody keeping track of these gaffes? What do we call them?

Baracks?
Obamas?

496 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:27:56pm

re: #489 screaming_eagle

Only in black.

497 1SG(ret)  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:28:03pm

re: #446 screaming_eagle

Elegance in words, coupled with that kindred spirit is why you are so loved and respected.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

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498 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:28:08pm

re: #486 hujambo

You lack COMMON SENSE young man and your Parents have failed to prepare you for the real world.

499 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:28:20pm

re: #407 hous bin pharteen re outrider's comment..

Very true. But she does have the benefit of at least being around the events as they were happening as First Lady.

Odd how she gets to tout her experience in the White House as a strength, yet she locked up all of the documents and correspondence regarding her 8 years in the White House safely in the Clinton library. No one is permitted to review any of the boxes of documents until after the election (at the earliest). And thats no fluke. Her thesis from Wellesley College is locked up out of public scrutiny as well (only since Bill was elected BTW).

Whats to hide Pants Suit?

500 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:28:39pm

re: #486 hujambo

Again, I will be cordial.

Are you a vet?

501 Racer X  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:28:47pm

Libs love our troops like OJ loved Nicole.

502 RememberSekhmet?  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:28:58pm

OMFG, this guy needs to STFD and STFU before his mouth writes a check our collective butts can't cash.

503 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:29:16pm

re: #500 formercorpsman

ROFLMAO

504 Killian Bundy  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:30:06pm

re: #486 hujambo

It's an Obama Girl!

/quit while you're behind, you have absolutely no idea what you're spouting off about, maybe try nuclear physics or the fine art of navel gazing

505 blackpajamas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:30:08pm

re: #486 hujambo

I hate how incredibly incompetent this administration has been in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I didn't know our administration was overseas? Did they recreate an exact replica of the White House in the green zone? (complete with the secret "Kennedy Room"?).

506 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:30:15pm

re: #486 hujambo

Someone comes out and criticizes it in a sensible way, I support them.

Not much to argue about there (in my mind--pass the twinkies, please).
"Sensible" is in the eye and all that.

So running away, to me is unacceptable.
I lived through the whole "sensible" deal where we abandoned S.Vietnam to the North when the Dems won in 1976.
That gave us the first round of Afghanistan, the first round of Iran, Panama, Mozambique, Angola...and I can do a lookup for the whole list of Frank Church and Jimmy Carter's hit parade from 1976-80.

507 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:30:45pm

re: #486 hujambo

Well written, but Obama has even less experience than Hillary, and is ahead of potential Dems who might not be complete disasters like Dodd and Richardson because he is better looking, and best of all, clean, articulate, and black*. Perfect for the chic white guilt liberal.


He is a first term Senator with a ghost-written book, a propensity to say indelicate things about foreign policy and national security, and for all I know, is a plant by Clinton to make her look less inexperienced than she actually is.

/*Don't blame me for the clean & articulate

508 OldSchoolLiberal  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:30:55pm

OT:
Netanyahu won the Likud race.

509 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:31:27pm

Hujambo

. It's time to take Obama seriously; at least he talks to people like they're adults. No rhetoric about "haters of freedom" and "dead-enders" and on and on... playing gotcha with his statement is silly, as it's substantive.

Ah no. Obama made a crucial mistake. Presidential Candidates should stay out of foreign policy especially at this crucial juncture. After his "remark" about bombing Pakistan with a nuke he should of taken this as a clue to stay mum.

You assume I'm a follower of Bush. You do know what happens when you assume?

It makes an ass out of you.

510 kingronjo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:31:37pm

hujambo, saying our main plan in Afghanistan is air raiding civilians is substantive? I didn't say there are not civilian casualties but they are inadvertent ones. Not targeted. If you truly, truly believe that they are deliberately planned by American personnel then you really are an America hater. Period, no doubts.

If some one had called out John Kerry for his "Genghis Khan" remarks which tarred a whole generation of American servicemen perhaps Obama woudn't be so glib in throwing out his slanderous remarks. And a supposed "thinking" lib should denounce this type of remarks about our armed forces.

Unless, of course, you believe America's military are a bunch of baby killers in which case I direct you back to my fourth sentence.

511 winston06  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:31:42pm

JFK Wanna-Be Osama (oops, Obama) will have no chance to be the POTUS

512 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:31:42pm

NY NANA:

Well we will see what happens. Maybe Ben will coalition with Moshe's likudnicks or something.

I really think you should get double citizenship though. Then you CAN vote.

513 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:32:11pm

re: #486 hujambo

I thought I told you last time you came in to LGF you only need your colonoscopy once a year, not once a month?

A once a year reaming is more than enough for lib your age!

514 pat  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:32:38pm

#486 hujambo
Actually you are arguing for more precise air power. I can go for that. The plan for better copters is long over due. We need Ospreys that work. More short field air craft like the A10. And Predator IIs. The X-51 Cruise Missile. All the stuff the Democrats try to delete from the budget because they want America to be another France.

515 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:32:48pm

re: #493 Ginn

Why yes!

Really I shoulda said " The Amazing Multicultural Technicolor Dream Ticket"

thanx!
now I'm blushing.

516 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:32:50pm

re: #212 Sifty
Kucinich to prove that poofda-boy Edwards is manlier than someone on Earth.

That's funny, considering Kuchie bagged a reasonably cute redhead twenty years his junior, who doesn't need to stand up for him. Not only that but the K-man is genuinely crazy - he really is that loopy, not a fake like Edwards. He may be a fool but he's a genuine fool, and no number of leather jacket-and-boots-by-the-pickup-truck glamour photos of Edwards can trump that.

517 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:33:35pm

#394 hujambo

...and you have no clue that you are preaching to a board that includes many people of vast military knowledge and training.
You would think some of the nics might be a clue.
You think some of these folks might not only have knowledge and education in counter insurgency? Maybe even actual experience?

But Obama has farted and you must rally to his cause.

Gotcha pal.

Next time your car breaks down, make sure to call your barber.

518 m  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:33:51pm

re: #502 RememberSekhmet?

You underestimate us. Unnecessary, yes. But if "all out" comes, we'll go "all out" as well.

Obama just needs to learn what is actually going on over there before he runs his mouth.

519 OldSchoolLiberal  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:33:55pm

OT:
Netanyahu won the Likud race.

520 pat  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:34:13pm

re: #509 Ginn

Ditto

521 siiras  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:34:40pm

Obama is the ultimate in affirmative action. If he weren't half black, he wouldn't have been elected dog catcher.

Now he's in the running for the presidency because the far Left wants a marxist and the liberals want to burnish their non-racist credentials by voting for a "black" man who can't do the job but is the "in" color.

The libs also want to vote for a woman, any woman, for the same reason, to demonstrate how "progressive" they are. Unfortunately, their only option in that category is the more masculine of the two Clintons.

Still, the progressives' wet dream must be President Woman plus Vice President black man. The fact that both candidates can't run a phone booth is immaterial next to their X chromosome and melanin.

522 justadot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:35:24pm

I don't have a problem if Obama wants more troops in Afghanistan -- that is, if he has some vision of what he will do differently there to combat the Taliban. (I don't believe all those troops will be used for reconstruction.) Honestly, I don't believe he does, particularly after what he said in the debate and since then.

My bigger problem with Obama's statement is this: if you he wants more troops to close in on the enemy with reduced air-strikes, that may put our troops more in danger. I don't think he's advocating a complete lack of close air support for them or eliminating all air-strikes, but many of these successful high-priority strikes against the Taliban and Al Qaeda have also killed civilians. Is Obama willing to accept a higher casualty rate among our troops in order to possibly prevent civilian causalities? Again, I don't believe he would. (Hell, they're already so constrained with the ROE.)

One last thing, if America were intentionally targeting civilians, I believe the casualty numbers would much higher. /*understatement*/

523 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:35:47pm

re: #513 goodbye_natalie

re: #486 hujambo
A once a year reaming is more than enough for lib your age!

Maybe Sully wasn't in the mood tonite.

/Notthatthere'sanythingwrongwiththat.

524 itellu3times  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:36:03pm

re: #486 hujambo

Followers of the silver spoon former governor of Texas,

Says it all right there.

hear me: I am a lib, lib, liberal, and I don't hate the military.

Neither do you know squat about it.

I hate

Yup, you're a liberal.

how incredibly incompetent this administration has been in Iraq and Afghanistan. Someone comes out and criticizes it in a sensible way, I support them.

Me too.

It's time to take Obama seriously; at least he talks to people like they're adults.

They're adults, he's seven years old.

No rhetoric about "haters of freedom" and "dead-enders" and on and on...

His mistakes.

playing gotcha with his statement is silly, as it's substantive.

Ignorance is never substantive. That's your liberal tendencies at work, you think earnestness equals validity.

It doesn't tar the military; it's insulting to me when the reality of war is denied, i.e. it's morally disgusting to me when it's denied that our massive firepower doesn't kill innocent people...

The first question, my friend, is whether it is killing guilty people. Address that first, and we'll come back to that other one.

the point is to decide if it's worth it or not in the end. In Afghanistan, it's counterproductive; Obama says more ground troops would lessen our dependency on air power.

Gibberish.

It's an entirely different war than it was in the beginning, when the special forces and the northern alliance pushed the Taliban from power.

Do you happen to remember how they did that?

1
2
3

AIR POWER!

It's reconstruction now, and we're in it against Iran and the Pakistani ISI crazies... and the effort has been sorely neglected. Because of Iraq. And that was a big mistake.

hujambo you ignorant slut, Aghanistan is probably in better shape RIGHT NOW from US and allied efforts, than it has been in several hundred years, and the remaining problems are from remnant Taliban and other self-imposed hardships of Islam.

But you admitted, you're a liberal, and facts are beneath your notice.

That's all... just sayin'

I have hope for you, you may grow out of it.

525 DesertSage  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:36:04pm

re: #493 Ginn

Ginn?

526 screaming_eagle  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:36:16pm

re: #486 hujambo

so that we’re not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians

That is an insult to me. It is an insult to those in uniform now. You can downplay it as a word game if you want, doesn't change the fact that he said it. If I insulted Obama by using the n word I am very sure there would be alot of pissed off people at me.

527 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:37:07pm

re: #517 hous bin pharteen

#394 hujambo
Next time your car breaks down, make sure to call your barber.

At $400 a pop?!

528 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:37:11pm

re: #524 itellu3times

what U say.

529 Racer X  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:38:22pm

Cant wait to hear the "Bush invaded Iraq just to steal their oil" argument.

530 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:38:39pm

I have a problem with presidential candidates making statements about foreign policy that involves the war on terror. I have a problem with candidates visiting with countries, i.e., Kerry, in the last election that could be construed as pandering to terrorist states.

531 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:38:55pm

re: #529 Racer X

Cant wait to hear the "Bush invaded Iraq just to steal their oil" argument.

Dang, I wish it were true. We'd be in much better shape then we are now.

532 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:38:58pm

re: #529 Racer X

rugs

533 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:39:04pm

#527 Ben

You get what you pay for!

534 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:39:09pm

re: #486 hujambo

Followers of the silver spoon former governor of Texas, hear me: I am a lib, lib, liberal, and I don't hate the military. I hate how incredibly incompetent this administration has been in Iraq and Afghanistan. Someone comes out and criticizes it in a sensible way, I support them. It's time to take Obama seriously; at least he talks to people like they're adults. No rhetoric about "haters of freedom" and "dead-enders" and on and on... playing gotcha with his statement is silly, as it's substantive. It doesn't tar the military; it's insulting to me when the reality of war is denied, i.e. it's morally disgusting to me when it's denied that our massive firepower doesn't kill innocent people... the point is to decide if it's worth it or not in the end. In Afghanistan, it's counterproductive; Obama says more ground troops would lessen our dependency on air power. It's an entirely different war than it was in the beginning, when the special forces and the northern alliance pushed the Taliban from power. It's reconstruction now, and we're in it against Iran and the Pakistani ISI crazies... and the effort has been sorely neglected. Because of Iraq. And that was a big mistake.

That's all... just sayin'

Actually, I agree with you.

The difference is that we know Bush is an ignorant clod. Obama is in the running to take his place, and he may have better sentence structure than Bush, but he's just as ignorant and clumsy, only in different ways.

It's pretty sad that we admire people for being able to speak in complete sentences and have a broader vocuabulary than "freedom", "enemies", and "terror" used umpteen different ways.

535 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:39:18pm

I think Bill O'Reilly may be even more overrated than I thought. I thought with his extensive vocubulary he might have a better handle of the Greek language.

Tonight I heard him pronounce Chi (as in Ka iii Bill), not Chee as in Cheetos. What a dumbass.

536 screaming_eagle  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:40:14pm

re: #497 1SG(ret)

Actually I left a couple of words off out of concern that my comment might get deleted.

537 sonopasquale  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:40:17pm

re: #12 zmdavid

How do you tell a terrorist from a civilian?

The one hiding behind the civilian

538 Racer X  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:40:48pm

re: #532 BenZacharia

LOL!

539 squarepeg  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:43:49pm

re: #486 hujambo

hujambo, please stop. Back up. Now, one point at a time. ONE. Which one do you want to start with?

540 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:44:37pm

re: #480 WrathofG-d

At my age, disabled, and with our 4 kids and families? I could not leave the kids, and grandkids. Ironic..over 35 years ago, that is exactly what we were going to do..we had spoken to the shaliach, etc., and were researching..and I found out that I was pregnant with #4, who was 35 today.

My Mum zt"l was not in the best of health, and she was not happy re us leaving, as the trip would be too difficult, as it would be for me now. I have no siblings, so in the end, we did not go.

Are you contemplating it? Nefesh B'nefesh is superb.

541 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:44:53pm

re: #523 BenZacharia

You should have read the email I received once from old Sully after I made a disparaging remark on his website about certain sexual appreciation for a certain part of the anatomy. Not that there's anything wrong with that, mind you.

His response back was a classic. I think even he was tongue tied.

542 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:45:12pm

Geepers

Whate we were talking about.

543 Syrah  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:45:42pm

re: #462 ZenLizard

I think you need to clarify your comment here.

544 Racer X  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:45:49pm

I do not recall anyone saying the U.S. could go into Iraq and clean up that hell hole in under 5 years.

Dem quotes before the Iraq invasion

545 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:46:04pm
546 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:47:14pm

re: #486 hujambo

Followers of the silver spoon former governor of Texas, hear me: I am a lib, lib, liberal, and I don't hate the military. I hate how incredibly incompetent this administration has been in Iraq and Afghanistan. Someone comes out and criticizes it in a sensible way, I support them. It's time to take Obama seriously; at least he talks to people like they're adults. No rhetoric about "haters of freedom" and "dead-enders" and on and on... playing gotcha with his statement is silly, as it's substantive. It doesn't tar the military; it's insulting to me when the reality of war is denied, i.e. it's morally disgusting to me when it's denied that our massive firepower doesn't kill innocent people... the point is to decide if it's worth it or not in the end. In Afghanistan, it's counterproductive; Obama says more ground troops would lessen our dependency on air power. It's an entirely different war than it was in the beginning, when the special forces and the northern alliance pushed the Taliban from power. It's reconstruction now, and we're in it against Iran and the Pakistani ISI crazies... and the effort has been sorely neglected. Because of Iraq. And that was a big mistake.

That's all... just sayin'

Just sayin,

What I find morally disgusting, is the fact that folks like you think somehow, having superior power, regardless in how it may come, which ultimately ensures the numbers on our own side do not succumb to an ambush while on patrol, when you have the convenience of a C-130 Gunship and the ability to eliminate a house full of folks just waiting to snipe at our troops, throw them off guard, and drive them into an ambush.

It is your moral equivalence that compels you to have a deep down hatred for our military strength, which helps protect our own troops, so they have to deal less with the possibility of decoys in cars, (like two small kids in the back seat of a car, a car loaded with explosives running through a checkpoint with our guards arming it.

You know, I am all about free speech, and as much about my freedom to call you a fucking idiot.

I will bet dollars to donuts you never had to lace up a pair of jungle boots, not rely on air power to cover your back, let alone eat cold chow out of a plastic bag, and go for days without a hot shower.

Since you declared yourself a liberal, why is it now that you feel we have the reconstruction portion of this wrong?

Quite frankly, I have often been posed with the retort from those of the liberal stripe, why we would even waste our tax dollars in the first place, they can't appreciate western style democracy, they will never assimilate.

Really, in all of this, your sincerity is not for the troops. If you really got to know any of the troops, you would know a far, far greater number of them really believe in this mission.

They are on the ground, erecting the schools, the infrastructure, the possibility of some kind of hope that is a counter balance to the despotism of a Hussein, or the Taliban.

Why is it I never here about why we are still in the Balkans from liberals?

Why are we still there?

If it is reconstructed, and everything is great, why are we still there?

Rwanda?

Somalia?

I'm done, I realize this will never compute to you.

547 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:47:32pm

re: #540 NY Nana

Although I do hope to do Aliyah one day...I was only discussing getting double citizenship...not moving.

548 Lee Coller  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:47:34pm

re: #486 hujambo

I do take Obama seriously, and that's what scares me. I think he truly believes what he says. I also think he's naive, doesn't understand the enemy, and doesn't understand the gravity of the position he is running for. His past statements regarding the use of nukes, as well as his statement of invading Pakistan show extreme irresponsibility (as even Hillary correctly points out). The above statement is in fact an example of his naivety. If he had just said that we needed more troops in Afghanistan, we wouldn't be complaining, it a legitimate point of argument. But he added the statement that:


so that we’re not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there.

This is pandering to the far left, maligning our troops, and in fact giving comfort to the enemy -- which I'm sure he doesn't even realize.

549 1SG(ret)  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:48:22pm

re: #486 hujambo

OK, I take it you've spent some time either in Iraq or Afghanistan.
If not and you are depending upon a politician to set the record straight for you, I will call you dumbass. Take to someone that's been there, or maybe several. He knows about as much about how to wage a war as most Americans (LGF not included), not much! Taking care of business in a war is a messy and sometimes brutal business. I don't see much stomach for it here at home. Some wet behind the (very large) ear junior senator from Illinois can't begin to understand how to win!

TOP

550 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:48:27pm

more on wiki

And somebody from a computer traced to Democrat HQ edited a page on conservative American radio host Rush Limbaugh, calling him "idiotic", "ridiculous" and labelling his 20 million listeners as "legally retarded".

551 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:49:34pm

re: #548 Lee Coller

This is pandering to the far left, maligning our troops, and in fact giving comfort to the enemy -- which I'm sure he doesn't even realize.

Which somehow makes it better?

552 1SG(ret)  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:51:13pm

re: #536 screaming_eagle

I know how you feel! Sometimes I just lurk so I can stay a welcome guess here in Charles's house.

Top

553 DesertSage  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:51:57pm

re: #544 Racer X

I do not recall anyone saying the U.S. could go into Iraq and clean up that hell hole in under 5 years.

Dem quotes before the Iraq invasion

John Kerry - Hypocrite

554 Lee Coller  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:52:19pm

re: #551 Ginn

re: #548 Lee Coller

This is pandering to the far left, maligning our troops, and in fact giving comfort to the enemy -- which I'm sure he doesn't even realize.

Which somehow makes it better?

I put that clause in there so no one could accuse me of calling Obama "unpatriotic."

555 MoonbatBane  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:53:07pm

re: #21 lowandslow

Sure am glad we have the AP to decide who's a militant and who's a civilian.

Why that comment? After all, it's pretty easy to tell a civilian from a terrorist. All you have to do is look at the uniform.

What, they don't wear uniforms? Really? That would mean they are violating the Geneva Convention.

What, they're doing that, too? Wow. Someone ought to tell the AP.

/SARC (just in case)

556 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:53:08pm

Former...

ya fergot haiti.

557 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:53:35pm

re: #554 Lee Coller

re: #551 Ginn

re: #548 Lee Coller
This is pandering to the far left, maligning our troops, and in fact giving comfort to the enemy -- which I'm sure he doesn't even realize.
Which somehow makes it better?
I put that clause in there so no one could accuse me of calling Obama "unpatriotic."

I wasn't quite sure what to think of it. I mean, I agree with you, but it doesn't make me feel better about his ability to lead.

558 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:53:39pm

Barack Obama is a made-up superman of the media obsessed with race. It makes them feel morally superior. In truth, their obsession is the the most evil form of racism. If Obama had an "R" behind his name, they would be digging every vile thing they could find and carrying on about his racist pastor and equally racist wife.

Obama even makes Hillary look good. I never thought I'd read myself saying that...

559 SnakeSpit  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:53:43pm

I gotta go for the night. That troll stench on Hujambo is just too much. Maybe this one will give Hujambo a goodnight kiss:
[Link: us.st11.yimg.com...]

560 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:54:51pm

re: #556 BenZacharia

Shit.

Now I'm doing my rendition of Chris Farley's skit as him being the interviewer with Paul McCartney on SNL.

561 DesertSage  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:55:41pm
562 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:55:41pm

re: #376 cbinflux

re: #369 Outrider

Read the whole story; it's a howler!


I did. It is amazing what convicts will get up to when they have absolutely nothing to do 24/7/365 except think up ways to screw with the guards, other prisoners, or whomever.

563 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:56:24pm

re: #526 screaming_eagle

re: #486 hujambo

so that we’re not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians

That is an insult to me. It is an insult to those in uniform now. You can downplay it as a word game if you want, doesn't change the fact that he said it. If I insulted Obama by using the n word I am very sure there would be alot of pissed off people at me.

Yep yep! It's pretty disingenuous to state as such as well...and then use in your opening paragraph that we are peaceniks.

564 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:56:44pm

re: #379 Maximu§

How bout just plain Stupid, some of the smartest folk Ive met didn't have a lick of common sense

.
Grandpa used to say they were educated beyond their intelligence

565 1SG(ret)  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:56:47pm

re: #559 SnakeSpit

That shits just plain wrong. You are evil, I say evil. Don't click folks!

Top

566 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:58:11pm

OT:

Sort of/

Iranian Unit to Be Labeled 'Terrorist'

The United States has decided to designate Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps, the country's 125,000-strong elite military branch, as a "specially designated global terrorist," according to U.S. officials, a move that allows Washington to target the group's business operations and finances.


Look Hujambo, just for you!
For weeks, the Bush administration has been debating whether to target the Revolutionary Guard Corps in full, or only its Quds Force wing, which U.S. officials have linked to the growing flow of explosives, roadside bombs, rockets and other arms to Shiite militias in Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan. The Quds Force also lends support to Shiite allies such as Lebanon's Hezbollah and to Sunni movements such as Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

My question is, why did they do this?
Does this mean in 6 months we give the Revolutionary Guards $30 million dollars and 100,000 AK-47s?
Are they getting the same deal as Fatah?

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

567 DesertSage  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:58:15pm
568 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:59:01pm

re: #565 1SG(ret)

re: #559 SnakeSpit

That shits just plain wrong. You are evil, I say evil. Don't click folks!

Top

My eyes!

569 Straitcircle  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:59:09pm

"just air-raiding villages and killing civilians," -- Obama

idiot

570 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:59:12pm

re: #547 WrathofG-d

Can you do that from here? I have a feeling that the Israeli Embassies in London and Paris are very crowded.

571 siiras  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:59:22pm

re: #142 Highrise


"But then again your noobness comes out when you yell at a reporter that made fun of your ears because you were made fun of as a child. We need someone a bit tougher and more of a man than you as President, hope you understand.

Look at the abuse that Bush has had to take, unrivalled in the history of Man in its quantity and deranged vicious quality (e.g. comparison to genocidal tyrants such as Hitler by the people who revere the genocidal tyrants with higher scores such as Stalin and Mao). Sometimes I think he must be superhuman.

No matter how incompetent or sleazy a leftist president, they never get the same treatment because the right retains more fairness and decency and of course the media megaphone for criticism will be turned off.

572 MoonbatBane  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:00:07pm

re: #394 hujambo

Obama wants more troops in Afghanistan. That's what he's saying. 90% of people here say that's the dumbest thing they ever heard.

No, you dope, 90% of the people here are saying that his comment that we're "just air-raiding villages and killing civilians" is bunk. Besides yours, there are few comments about his opinion on adding more troops.

I see that reading comprehension still isn't that strong in libland. Gee, I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you (fellow lizards)...

573 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:00:33pm

re: #519 OldSchoolLiberal

OT:
Netanyahu won the Likud race.

Thank God.

574 Kaintuck  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:01:12pm

OT: My nomination for the Ron Paul Supporter vehement adjective-stringing prize:

Not to Mention Candidate Ron
Please be advised that we have been contacting your sponsors in regards to your slanted reporting of poll results and your continued censure of Dr. Ron Paul and his campaign for president. I would expect better from PBS. But I guess you are just another corporate controlled mainstream media mass mind manipulation tool. So being that as it is, we are forced to exercise our only way to handle this situation by boycotting your stations and your sponsors.

Garrettsville, OH

Why don’t I see any news about Ron Paul and his rEVOLution of a presidential campaign? Please have your news programs report the news. Please!

B. B., Arlington Heights, IL

[Link: www.pbs.org...]

575 blackpajamas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:01:14pm

Just remember folks, If you ain't Mexican, you ain't shit.

576 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:01:35pm

re: #407 hous bin pharteen

Hey, yeah! Lets give these two buffoons another 8 years

!
Got a better idea. Let's not. I was merely making an observation, not an endorsment. ;-)>

577 stuck-in-ca  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:01:53pm

the only bad thing about watching Osama..Obama self-destruct, is that it's good for Hillary. And she's smart enough to basically say nothing, or at least to say things in so convoluted flip-floppy a way that you don't know what the hell she intends.

578 Portland Patriot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:02:19pm

re: #566 hous bin pharteen

It's all about timing...getting ready to take those nukes away from Iran...

579 WrathofG-d  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:02:29pm

re: #570 NY Nana


I haven't looked into it yet, but it is my gut feeling that one can. I'm sure there are some hoops that one has to jump through, (maybe that is what the Phakestinians are always doing) but I know one can have dual citizenship.

580 tblot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:03:05pm

re: #567 DesertSage

1999 yea
you got that right

581 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:03:09pm

re: #546 formercorpsman

Why is it I never here about why we are still in the Balkans from liberals?

I have often wondered that myself.along with the other places we have had military presence and not BOO was said. Heck there was actually a little bit of scoffing when Bush pulled back on troops in germany and south korea from the dems. Something wrong with them if they can't utter the words: We Want to WIN!


I'm done, I realize this will never compute to you

.

You are one hell of a trooper. Mucho more patience that I could muster. When people come in with their little generalization namecalling, it is really telling on their agenda.

582 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:03:45pm
583 stuck-in-ca  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:05:13pm

re: #407 hous bin pharteen


Her work as an atty produced nothing of consequence.
Her one and only success?

OH I don't know, she was doing pretty well orchestrating the Whitewater deal...until she got caught. But of course the MSM won't remind any of her pimple faced worshippers about that, I'm sure it was way before their time.

584 angryigbo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:05:58pm

What's wrong with you idiots?

Barak's comments are 100% correct. He is not being soft on terror, he is being smart on terror - a phrase some of you moonbats are apparently unfamilar with.

What sense does it make to air strafe villages killing innocent people and in the process creating more terrorists? Lets have men on the ground in the right number to do the job right.

I'm as right wing as the rest of you, but some of you are apparently right wing and STUPID. Please move to Mexico.

585 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:06:45pm

re: #577 stuck-in-ca

That is really what you hit the nail on the head about.

The hard left, want to be taken seriously.

This is why move-on stated they have a right to the party direction. They paid for it.

This is why kos worker so hard against Leiberman.

This is why they hate Hillary.

They want someone who will pander to them.

This is why they go apeshit for the perception of being hawks when jenjis gets to the podium and salutes before his acceptance speech.

They know this guy is fucking up huge, especially when he is being coddled all the way up to the primaries.

It's Dukakis in the tank all over agin for them.

586 Racer X  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:06:50pm

re: #578 Portland Patriot

Unfortunately, it is looking like Pakistan should NOT have nuclear weapons lying around right about now.

587 angryigbo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:06:55pm

re: #1 Backstaber

What an intelligent retort. A "tool" eh? You are an idiot.

588 MoonbatBane  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:07:39pm

re: #584 angryigbo

So you are of the opinion that the US military is "just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there"? And then you call us stupid? Sheesh.

589 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:07:47pm

Here we go again.

www.accuweather.com...] target="_blank">

Dean Options

What will silky say?

590 1SG(ret)  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:08:44pm

re: #575 blackpajamas

Here is a new one fellow lizards. Holiday Inn Express now blocks Michelle Malkins web site here in Ca (bay area). I better be careful, they may find out about (quietly says) LGF. I'm sure they are watching me!

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591 SnakeSpit  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:09:11pm

re: #584 angryigbo
Why don't you kiss our collective ass?

592 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:09:18pm

re: #571 siiras

Look at the abuse that Bush has had to take, unrivalled in the history of Man in its quantity and deranged vicious quality (e.g. comparison to genocidal tyrants such as Hitler by the people who revere the genocidal tyrants with higher scores such as Stalin and Mao). Sometimes I think he must be superhuman.

I agree. I've also been President of various things and Vice president along with a few other positions. The longest I lasted in a President type position was 5 years, and there was much damage to my attitude on how terrible I was treated. No excuse for it either. Can you imagine obama delivering a threat or presence to a terrorist with it being played over and over about not to make fun of his ears? If I were a terrorist, I'd be peeing my pants with laughter if that is all it took.

No matter how incompetent or sleazy a leftist president, they never get the same treatment because the right retains more fairness and decency and of course the media megaphone for criticism will be turned off.

Definitely..and that shows in the candidate line up. There are only a few embarassing Republicans..but none of the dems can even close close to fitting the bill. The dem candidates remind me all of incompetent chimps that toss their crap that comes out of themselves through the bards at the zoo keeper.

593 screaming_eagle  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:09:35pm

re: #584 angryigbo

KISS MY ASS

594 Racer X  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:09:47pm

sniff, sniff...what is that smell?

595 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:10:24pm

The news has already been mentioned that the Bush Administration is slapping the terrorist label on the Iranian Republican Guard Corps. Drudge's top story is the WaPo article.

But if you read that article, you'll notice the word Mullah never appears. Nope, the IRGC is apparently just a shadowy bunch that are kinda sorta involved in Iran's government and economy.

Formed in 1979 and originally tasked with protecting the world's only modern theocracy, the Revolutionary Guard took the lead in battling Iraq during the bloody Iran-Iraq war waged from 1980 to 1988. The Guard, also known as the Pasdaran, has since become an powerful political and economic force in Iran. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad rose through the ranks of the Revolutionary Guard and came to power with support from its network of veterans. Its leaders are tied to many mainstream businesses in Iran.

"They are heavily involved in everything from pharmaceuticals to telecommunications and pipelines -- even the new Imam Khomeini Airport and a great deal of smuggling," said Ray Takeyh of the Council on Foreign Relations. "Many of the front companies engaged in procuring nuclear technology are owned and run by the Revolutionary Guards.

Heres the deal. The IRGC is the Mullah's personal military and the Islamic Republic is both a kleptocracy and a theocracy. The millionaire Mullahs own and control much of the state economy and reign supreme over all of the so-called elected politicians. All of that cash they make from their enterprises is what funds the terror around the globe. Not Iran's official budget, but the kleptocrats' checkbooks.

Basically what the Bush Administration is finally saying is that the Mullahs are the real terrorists that need to be eliminated. As for Ahmadinejad, its just more silent treatment for the Mullah's lap dog.

596 Kaintuck  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:10:28pm

oh, boy

597 AngryIgbo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:10:29pm

re: #588 MoonbatBane

What a MORON you are. Does it seem as though that is what Barak is saying? That ALL of America's operations are simply air raids? Do you know how to read? Have you graduated from High School?

He is saying - correctly so - that we need more bloody boots on the ground. Any objective observer will agree, in particular in the case of Afghanistan, that there are simply not enough people there searching through those caves for Osama Bin Ladin and his criminal friends.

Why would you make such a stupid assumption about comments so obviously...obvious?

Move to MEXICO.

598 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:10:31pm

re: #578 Portland Patriot

re: #566 hous bin pharteen

It's all about timing...getting ready to take those nukes away from Iran...

If the US or Israel doesn't do something about Iran before the election, and the Dims win...NOTHING will be done.

And when Denver or Cleveland disappears in 09...not only will be down one perfectly good US city, we'll have to listen to years of DimSpinning about how it was Bush's fault.

Take 'em out Now!

599 AngryIgbo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:10:42pm

re: #591 SnakeSpit

Whip it out.

600 DesertSage  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:10:52pm

re: #584 angryigbo

I'm as right wing as the rest of you, but some of you are apparently right wing and STUPID. Please move to Mexico.

Me not stupid...me just not too bright!

Now would you please explain what the F*CK you're talking about?

601 big L  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:10:52pm

558- goodbye Natalie-- yeah The two make her look good and the whole thing makes me think, yes think, it is a set-up. allthe arguements betw BO and Edwards are scripted and trotted out at certain times.
And why is their not a mderate donk,that breaks into the field,
/straw men candidates that Hill can look-better-than.

602 blackpajamas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:10:55pm

re: #584 angryigbo

What's wrong with you idiots?

It's because we ain't Mexican, which means that we ain't shit, according to La Raza:

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

603 trailortrash  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:11:30pm

ron paul

604 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:11:38pm

re: #584 angryigbo

And other than B. Hussein, you have any citations?

605 BenZacharia  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:12:12pm

re: #584 angryigbo

air strafe villages

Got a link?

606 Krampus  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:12:35pm

re: #593 screaming_eagle

re: #584 angryigbo

KISS MY ASS

I second that. What an asshole.

607 MoonbatBane  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:13:01pm

re: #584 angryigbo

BTW, looked at your past posts expecting to see a troll. You're not, so your post confuses me. You certainly don't actually think the US military is "just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there," right?

As far as more troops goes, that is a good idea. However, Obama is either a complete idiot for saying that we're "just air-raiding villages and killing civilians," or he's trying to have it both ways (for the pro-military, "we need more troops"; for the moonbats, "we're just killing civilians"). Pretty weak for a Presidential candidate no matter how you parse it...

608 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:13:28pm

Have any of these people ever seen the ground in Afghanistan? What are more troops going to do? Stretch out in a long line formation and do a "police call"?

The type of warfare performed in Afghanistan calls for special troops, capable of performing specialized missions. It calls for Special Forces, training the Afghani troops and doing their own patrolling. Rangers conducting their raids and patrolling, and Mountain troops patrolling the mountains. This is a countryside that calls for the use of drones and electronic intelligence gathering. Masses of armor and tracked vehicles just aren't going to do it. If that was all it took, the Soviets wouldn't have had a problem as they absolutely swarmed the countryside with heavy metal and accomplished zilch.

609 SnakeSpit  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:13:31pm

re: #599 AngryIgbo

Move to Mexico.

610 AngryIgbo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:13:34pm

re: #600 DesertSage

Read the previous comments.

In summary, Barak's comments are absolutely correct. There is no reasonable, logical basis for attacking him based on them. Unless of course, you've the brain capacity of a groundhog. (Sorry, the groundhog is a noble, brave animal).

611 AngryIgbo  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:14:26pm

re: #606 Krampus

Indeed. Play the world's smallest violin.

I am tired of stupid people and their stupidity. Find something intelligent to say, or why bother contribute to the conversation? Go and talk to a plant.

612 big L  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:14:34pm

4 whiteside- right! the msm will sweep it away. also if Mitt's recordes from Mass were locked away, for example to be released after 08, you'd hear a Hue -and-cry like heck.
Look at the 6 yrs hounding Cheney about his Oil-patch advisors.Non stop.

613 Racer X  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:14:38pm

re: #584 angryigbo

Go ahead. You know you want to.

614 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:15:03pm

re: #584 angryigbo

angryigbo, you have posted before and I have always though they were good.

As far as our killing innocent civilians equaling more terrorist, it seems to me, this line of rationale does not corroborate with what the recruitment techniques are for future terrorists, especially since now having a number of high ranking terrorists who have given plenty of info, it seems that they are driven by ideology.

The madrassa, the dictator, and the culture.

I have a serious question.

In WWII, we had somewhat of the equivalence of terrorists, only in uniform of the enemy.

What was the reasoning for using the airplane as a bomb for Japanese pilots?

615 MoonbatBane  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:15:14pm

re: #597 AngryIgbo

AngryIgbo, before questioning someone else's education, you might want to look up the word "just," as in "so we’re not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians."

Ya illiterate dolt.

616 Dad O' Blondes  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:15:15pm

AIR-RAIDING...?

Did he say: Air - Raiding?

WTF is "Air - Raiding"?

.

617 trailortrash  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:23:23pm

we need smilies/emoticons, like a man eating popcorn or sumthin.

618 DesertSage  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:23:24pm

re: #611 AngryIgbo

Hey Igbo...why are you so Angry?

619 Krampus  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:23:24pm

re: #611 AngryIgbo

re: #606 Krampus

Indeed. Play the world's smallest violin.

I am tired of stupid people and their stupidity. Find something intelligent to say, or why bother contribute to the conversation? Go and talk to a plant.

Fuck Off

620 Killian Bundy  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:38:38pm

re: #597 AngryIgbo

I don't suppose you remember what happened to the Soviets when they tried to maneuver large ground formations through the mountainous Afghan terrain, do you?

/didn't think so

621 gromster  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:39:15pm

486:
"it's morally disgusting to me when it's denied that our massive firepower doesn't kill innocent people"

Actually, I've seen people in this thread mention that civilians do get killed in times of war. I haven't seen anyone here deny it.

(Be sure to go to the thread about the about the
American Mosque being set on fire
- it was mentioned quite a bit there.

The observations was made that if the Muslims didn't hide themsleves and their weapons in Mosques, homes, and schools, maybe more civilians could be spared).

If anything, it looks to me as though Bush and Co. have been unnecessarily restrained in fighting against the Islamists, especially in Iraq.

If you're going to win a war, you've got to kill your enemy, and it means some civilians are going to get killed in the process.

I bet you don't find it "morally disgusting" (or as "morally disgusting") when fanatical Muslims blow up Americans.

When fanatical Muslims do kill Americans (or attack Israel), do you post outrage about it at liberal oriented blogs? Somehow, I don't think so.

#484 hous bin pharteen:

Yes, after reading the thread even further, I figured out the quotes were about Afghanistan.

I got confused because someone early in the thread mentioned Iraq.

622 TalkinKamel  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:40:50pm

#611 AngryIgbo

If you're so tired of stupid people, how do you manage to bear yourself?

623 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:42:06pm

re: #579 WrathofG-d

re: #579 WrathofG-d

Yes, the USA now allows dual citizenship, but I think that you have to actually step on Israeli soil to receive Israeli citizenship.

The Israeli posters here could answer any questions.

624 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:43:07pm
we’re not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians

Terrorists are not civilians. And air-raids? This is the first I've heard of such a thing. Is that what we call the drones now?

625 wee fury  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:43:28pm

Did LGF just have a 'timeout'?
Or, just a huge burp?

626 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:44:03pm

re: #610 AngryIgbo

In summary, Barak's comments are absolutely correct. There is no reasonable, logical basis for attacking him based on them. Unless of course, you've the brain capacity of a groundhog. (Sorry, the groundhog is a noble, brave animal).


He said, and I quote, "We’ve got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we’re not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there.”
And therein lies the problem. Most of the action taking place in Afghanistan is being done by soldiers with boots on the ground, not aircraft indiscriminately strafing and bombing villages. Any person conversant in the English language will tell you what that sentence says and what it implies. The key word in that paragraph; the key word that speaks of his ignorance is the word JUST. Look it up.
And do try not to be so angry. It would probably have been nice if you had come into the sandbox and attempted to play well with everyone instead of insulting everyone right off the bat.

627 realwest  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:45:48pm

re: #618 DesertSage Hey Sage - you got the popcorn?
Um, was there a disturbance in the Force for a while there?

628 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:45:55pm

re: #584 angryigbo

I'm as right wing as the rest of you, but some of you are apparently right wing and STUPID. Please move to Mexico.

Rats. I just got here from Mexico.

629 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:46:38pm

A history of lgf posts from angry...really reveals someone angry. I think every post has either You moron or You idiot in it.

I always think it's interesting and very revealing when someone comes to a message board or blog and all they do is piss on it.

630 wee fury  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:47:10pm

re: #616 Dad O' Blondes

AIR-RAIDING...?

Did he say: Air - Raiding?

WTF is "Air - Raiding"?

.

Raid -- Ant and Roach spray.

631 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:47:38pm
“We’ve got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we’re not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there.”

w.t.f.

632 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:47:47pm
we’re not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians

Isn't that how the last Democrat President waged war in the Balkans?

633 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:47:51pm

RAZA hamsters charged the wheel!

634 neocon hippie  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:48:24pm

Obama is the Howard Dean of this campaign cycle.

Here in Berserkeley, I've seen a few Obama stickers, but I don't believe I've seen a single Hillary sticker.

635 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:49:25pm

re: #626 Outrider
I would like to add one more nit picking item. That would be on the use of Mr Obamas' use of the word "air-raiding". What the hell is air-raiding? Could this man that wants to run for Commander in Chief have been referring to strafing? Bombing? Air Cover? Air support? Vertical envelopment? Airborne operations? Air mobile operations? Most cities have an antique piece of equipment dating from the Cold War called an air raid siren? Crap. He could at least make some kind of effort to learn some basic terminology if he wants to portray himself as some kind of expert. Or is he too busy drawing up plans to invade Pakistan?

636 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:49:35pm

re: #628 Ginn

I prefer Nuevo Larado...Murder Capital of North America!

637 itellu3times  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:50:00pm

re: #584 angryigbo
Smells like hujambo's sock puppet.

638 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:50:01pm

He wants more boots on the ground in Afghanistan. Why? So he can carry out his planed invasion of Pakistan?

639 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:50:26pm

re: #632 Mich-again

Isn't that how the last Democrat President waged war in the Balkans?


In the fall of 1998, that is how he waged war in Iraq also.

640 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:50:31pm

That is what these terrorists do best, they use civilians as their hideouts. Hell, they use the civilians as meat shields. They hide stuff in schools, churches, hospitals, people's houses...and we think there won't be collateral damage? obama makes it sound like we on purpose go out of our way to hit innocents...I call bs on that.

Yeah, obama, let's just sit on our ass until we wrongly think we'll ever have a clean shot while they multiply and get more and more civilians around them.

641 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:50:33pm

re: #636 mondoreb

re: #628 Ginn

I prefer Nuevo Larado...Murder Capital of North America!

Don't forget kidnapping!

642 1SG(ret)  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:50:33pm

re: #627 realwest

Up pretty late aren't you real. How you doing my friend!

Top

643 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:50:47pm

re: #616 Dad O' Blondes

AIR-RAIDING...?

Did he say: Air - Raiding?

WTF is "Air - Raiding"?

.

Dad o'Blondes... H'mm.

Remember air raid drills/shelters, London, Dresden, Tokyo..?

644 Stuck-in-CA  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:50:56pm

angryigbo-

What do you have against Mexico that you want to send all of us "stupid people" there?

You aren't saying much in terms of substance, but sure are itching for a fight. Do you have your period or something?

645 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:51:00pm

re: #636 mondoreb

Loredo

646 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:51:35pm

re: #638 Sharmuta

He wants more boots on the ground in Afghanistan. Why? So he can carry out his planed invasion of Pakistan?

I thought Obama said O bomb a Pakistan?

647 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:52:06pm

Barak O'Kerry says ... Perform well in school, or you could get stuck in Afghanistan, air-raiding villages and killing civilians.

648 Killian Bundy  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:52:15pm

Yep, it's just a bunch of cowboy pilots bombing and strafing civilians on a whim, whenever and wherever they feel like it.

/there's certainly no command and control structure or rhyme or reason for the indiscriminate killing

649 Outrider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:52:36pm

re: #644 Stuck-in-CA

What do you have against Mexico that you want to send all of us "stupid people" there?


eh. Perhaps he was thinking of equalizing out the flow of people?

650 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:52:53pm

re: #641 Ginn

I go there every year just to "hang out" for awhile...last 4 times I've been there, there's been 3-4 Federales with submachine guns on every corner...but it's peaceful!

651 Idle Drifter  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:53:02pm

re: #629 Highrise

Yeah, I know what you mean. I leave to go get something to eat and I come back to a Total Flame War.

652 itellu3times  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:53:09pm

re: #646 Ginn

re: #638 Sharmuta

He wants more boots on the ground in Afghanistan. Why? So he can carry out his planed invasion of Pakistan?
I thought Obama said O bomb a Pakistan?

That was certainly the implication.

653 Stuck-in-CA  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:53:18pm

re: #638 Sharmuta

He wants more boots on the ground in Afghanistan. Why? So he can carry out his planed invasion of Pakistan?


LOL!

654 latitude51  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:53:32pm

re: #584 angryigbo

I haven't seen you around for a while. I see you you haven't changed one bit either. Still angry, still Igbo I presume, and still dumber than shit. I'll tell Miggy "hello" if you'd like. I'm sure he'll be sorry to have missed you. Now go to sleep, it's well past your bedtime.

655 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:53:32pm

re: #651 Idle Drifter

hahahaha
No doubt!

656 stevieray  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:53:45pm

Large armies tromping around Afghanistan is a good way to rack up the body count... your own. See: Britain, Soviets.

Air power, special forces, and local troops may be a frustratingly slow way to go, but it'll get you there. Large armies get torn apart in hit-and-run guerrilla warfare in the mountains.

657 egtact  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:54:08pm

Aw... has iggy's new object of lust B. Hussein Obama, made an ass of himself already? LMAO!

Looks like iggy's just trying to emulate his hewo, gang.

Here, have some more rope DONK!

"I AM THE LAW!"

658 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:54:15pm

re: #584 angryigbo

What's wrong with you idiots?

Barak's comments are 100% correct. He is not being soft on terror, he is being smart on terror - a phrase some of you moonbats are apparently unfamilar with.

What sense does it make to air strafe villages killing innocent people and in the process creating more terrorists? Lets have men on the ground in the right number to do the job right.

I'm as right wing as the rest of you, but some of you are apparently right wing and STUPID. Please move to Mexico.

Huh?

659 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:54:47pm

re: #650 mondoreb

re: #641 Ginn

I go there every year just to "hang out" for awhile...last 4 times I've been there, there's been 3-4 Federales with submachine guns on every corner...but it's peaceful!

Yeah. It's peaceful. Just be sure and have your will all written up and notarized before the next you go.

660 Syrah  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:54:52pm

re: #637 itellu3times

re: #584 angryigbo
Smells like hujambo's sock puppet.

I'm wondering about ZenLizard too.

Something wrong with that one.

Smells trollish.

661 Kaintuck  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:55:09pm

re: #648 Killian Bundy

Yep, it's just a bunch of cowboy pilots bombing and strafing civilians on a whim, whenever and wherever they feel like it.

And wearing their skulls while doing the boogaloo! Or something like that...I could swear I read it somewhere.

662 bosforus  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:55:30pm

re: #584 angryigbo

why would anyone reasonably believe that what your saying is the correct interpretation of obama's words seeing as how obama prides himself on being against the war since day one and has consistently said that pulling the troops out of iraq is his number one goal? how could his words reasonably be interpreted in any other way? are you saying that all of a sudden in this one sentence he's made a gigantic 180 in his iraq policy?

663 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:55:55pm

re: #644 Stuck-in-CA

Do you have your period or something?

Or, testosterone poisoning?

664 bosforus  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:56:02pm

re: #662 bosforus

your = you're
pimf

665 gromster  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:56:32pm

#550.
Speaking of Wiki, I'll post this link again:

Conservapedia

-Currently on their home page:

Liberal "Computer hackers posted an anti-war message on the U.N.'s official Web site, claiming that U.S. and Israeli policies in the Middle East were taking innocent lives, the United Nations said."[5] [read news story]
666 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:56:33pm

re: #638 Sharmuta

He wants more boots on the ground in Afghanistan. Why? So he can carry out his planed invasion of Pakistan?

Well, I can tell there's at least some support here to put more boots on his ass.

667 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:56:49pm

Because Iraq isn't really the war on terror- it's all in Afghanistan (and a little in Pakistan). It's not like al-qaeda has opened up shops in Iraq, or Gaza, or Lebanon, or Algeria. Nope- it's all in Afghanistan, your one stop shop for al-qaeda (except that little part that's in Pakistan, but we'll usurp their national sovereignty once I'm President!)

668 realwest  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:57:11pm

Geez, I don't know why y'all are so upset at
AngryIgbo (how do you pronounce that, I wonder Angy legbo or Angryl gbo? Oh well, just as with him, it's irrelevant) he's only posted 14 times in the 14 months since Charles allowed him to register.
With any luck, it'll be another month or so before he posts "a" comment and that'll no doubt be to tell us how stupid we all are and how bright he is and we all know what that means, so let it or him or her or whatever go.
Hell, he probably thinks the friendly fire Pat Tillman was killed by was from an F-16 or something, cause, ya know, like Obama said, we only use Air Power and we use it indiscriminately.
Chill, relax. I'm sooo glad that Obama's in the race!

669 x-ray  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:57:28pm

I haven't read of any air raids (somewhat indiscriminate bombing of areas) being conducted in Afghanistan. I believe the current application of bombs tend to be air strikes (precision bombing of single targets) Which are predominantly called in by boots on the ground when their asses are in danger. And this whole killing civilians mantra just pisses me off, when the MSM can be as accurate in telling who is a enemy as our soldiers are maybe I'll start to care about so called civilian casualties.

670 DesertSage  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:58:51pm

re: #627 realwest

re: #618 DesertSage Hey Sage - you got the popcorn?
Um, was there a disturbance in the Force for a while there?

I finally got back on. What happened? Did AngyIgbo send the hamsters to Mexico?

671 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:59:07pm

re: #611 AngryIgbo

re: #606 Krampus

Indeed. Play the world's smallest violin.

I am tired of stupid people and their stupidity. Find something intelligent to say, or why bother contribute to the conversation? Go and talk to a plant.

Pot? Meet kettle.

672 bosforus  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:59:20pm

re: #625 wee fury

Did LGF just have a 'timeout'?
Or, just a huge burp?

it might be trying to fart angryigbo out of its system

673 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:59:49pm

re: #659 Ginn

Yeah. It's peaceful. Just be sure and have your will all written up and notarized before the next you go.

Well, I haven't been there yet in 07...but I'm torn between there and trying somewhere new on the TX border...but I'll probably go back there...I enjoy myself there...

Of course, I enjoy the feeling of being alive, also.

674 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:01:21pm

Ya' know, I'm still pissed over the thread yesterday about the kids being taught to abuse animals. Should I let my inner bitch off her leash?

675 wee fury  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:01:43pm

re: #672 bosforus

re: #625 wee fury

Did LGF just have a 'timeout'?
Or, just a huge burp?
it might be trying to fart angryigbo out of its system

:-)

676 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:01:48pm

re: #673 mondoreb

re: #659 Ginn

Yeah. It's peaceful. Just be sure and have your will all written up and notarized before the next you go.

Well, I haven't been there yet in 07...but I'm torn between there and trying somewhere new on the TX border...but I'll probably go back there...I enjoy myself there...

Of course, I enjoy the feeling of being alive, also.

What about Brownsville?

677 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:02:05pm

re: #674 MandyManners

hahahaha
At least you have a leash.

678 realwest  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:02:08pm

re: #642 1SG(ret) Hey Top! Yeah, but pills are kicking in, so I'm off to sleep. But, hey, you must be exhausted - time/jet lag and all or do you just have the first watch for moonbats raiding your turf?OL!

679 dammad  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:02:10pm

Obama's an idiot...therefore he will most likely be our next president. This country is looking for an ass like him to "change" the world...it just scares me personally. He's a creep.

680 justadot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:02:11pm

re: #660 Syrah

Did you get an answer on the grey comment from that one? That was very strange.

681 egtact  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:02:14pm

I think I figured it out...

Did you just shake someone's hand in Africa, igbo?

682 tblot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:02:14pm

for what I been reading these days Irag is a winning cause against Al Qeada When have our soldiers ever lost any thing. If the left wound ever figure we are in a war we need to win maybe we can destroy these crazy arabs

683 John Schneider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:02:21pm

re: #645 mondoreb

Loredo

Laredo

/been there, Cadillac Bar.

684 Geepers  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:02:21pm

Idle Drifter (#651),

a Total Flame War

We are NOT total flame waring Afghanistan.

Sheesh, get a clue.

685 blackpajamas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:02:59pm

re: #674 MandyManners

Ya' know, I'm still pissed over the thread yesterday about the kids being taught to abuse animals. Should I let my inner bitch off her leash?

Don't fight the feeling. You know you want to. Everybody's doing it.

686 Idle Drifter  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:03:19pm

re: #669 x-ray

Take away the air cover from the boots on the ground and be prepared to hear some really pissed off grunts. I thinking there will be fights to settle who gets the first shot at the idiot that made the decision.

687 realwest  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:03:59pm

re: #674 MandyManners Yeah - let her rip! - uh, just make sure I'm not in your cross hairs, mkay?

688 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:04:08pm

re: #677 mondoreb

re: #674 MandyManners

hahahaha
At least you have a leash.

And, it's a shot one.

689 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:04:10pm

re: #644 Stuck-in-CA

What do you have against Mexico that you want to send all of us "stupid people" there?

And what kind of slam is that, anyways? What? Is there no place worse on earth than Mexico? You really want to send me some place insulting- next time use saudi arabia.

690 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:04:22pm

re: #676 Ginn

What about Brownsville?

You know, I'd thought of Brownsville, but I don't know anything about it and I've gotten some contacts in NL over the years...nice restaurants, hotels, people I've met, etc.

Of course, I AM an adventurer...

691 itellu3times  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:04:25pm

re: #660 Syrah

re: #637 itellu3times


re: #584 angryigbo
Smells like hujambo's sock puppet.

I'm wondering about ZenLizard too.

Something wrong with that one.

Smells trollish.

Well, then he's a quiet one.

But two dumbos identically fellating Obama on the same day is no coincidence.

It's like the seminar callers to Rush, "Hey Rush, I always agree with you, but ... Halliburton! Bush lied people died! ChimpHitler! Uh, megadittos, buh-bye."

692 bosforus  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:04:42pm

re: #675 wee fury

where did that little turd go? maybe he got flushed.

693 Barrypopik  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:04:47pm

"Intifada New York" is good intentions? From Wednesday's New York Times:

How New Arabic School Aroused Old Rivalries
By JULIE BOSMAN and JENNIFER MEDINA
The good intentions behind opening an Arabic school in New York ran straight into the treacherous ethnic and ideological political currents of the city.

694 Idle Drifter  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:04:47pm

re: #674 MandyManners

Ya' know, I'm still pissed over the thread yesterday about the kids being taught to abuse animals. Should I let my inner bitch off her leash?

Just let me get behind the blast shield. ;-)

695 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:04:58pm

So far Obama has been criticized for 1) I'd go after Al Qaeda and Taliban in Pakistan with or without the Paki Government's approval. 2) We need more boots on the ground in Afghanistan to engage the bad guys in more gunfights and fewer air strikes.

If a GOP candidate had those same opinions, he'd be labeled a far right extremist.

696 Syrah  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:05:05pm

re: #680 justadot

No answer yet.

Don't think I will get one.

I smell a provocateur, probably form Kosland or Cairistan.

697 1SG(ret)  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:05:22pm

re: #678 realwest

First, Second, and third watch. No one else gives a shit. If I get run over by a damn Prius out here, please someone lie to my family and say I was fighting the moonbats.

Have a good rest real!

Top

698 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:05:52pm

re: #685 blackpajamas

re: #687 realwest

Dang. I've decided it's not worth it. The Sandman is calling me.

Nighty-night.

699 DesertSage  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:06:00pm

Stupid...hmmm, where have I heard that before?
.
.
Stupid?
.
.
Stupid?
.
.
AngryIgbo said we were stupid...

...sandrine...is that you?

700 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:06:35pm

re: #683 John Schneider

Yeah...that was just correcting my quickie spelling of Nuevo Laredo.
I like the whole area.


...uhhh, better than I like B. Hussein's quote on "air raiding"
(how's that for veering on topic!?!)

701 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:06:43pm

re: #690 mondoreb

re: #676 Ginn

What about Brownsville?

You know, I'd thought of Brownsville, but I don't know anything about it and I've gotten some contacts in NL over the years...nice restaurants, hotels, people I've met, etc.

Of course, I AM an adventurer...

Have fun.

702 Barrypopik  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:07:41pm

O.T., from Wednesday's New York Times:

Chavez to Propose Removing His Term Limits
By SIMON ROMERO
Published: August 15, 2007

CARACAS, Venezuela, Aug. 14 — President Hugo Chavez will unveil a project to change the Constitution on Wednesday that is expected to allow him to be re-elected indefinitely, a move that would enhance his authority to accelerate a socialist-inspired transformation of Venezuelan society.

703 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:07:43pm

re: #695 Mich-again

So far Obama has been criticized for 1) I'd go after Al Qaeda and Taliban in Pakistan with or without the Paki Government's approval. 2) We need more boots on the ground in Afghanistan to engage the bad guys in more gunfights and fewer air strikes.

If a GOP candidate had those same opinions, he'd be labeled a far right extremist.

Excellent point. Now pack your bags, you're off to Mexico!

704 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:07:50pm

re: #699 DesertSage

First- sandrine's all about hillary.
Second- she calls us "stupids".

/You are the bomb.

705 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:08:09pm

re: #686 Idle Drifter


Not to mention, what exactly is a civilian over there? These terrorists and taliban don't have markings that show who and what they are. I don't trust the so called civilian numbers being bantered around in the MSM...I certainly don't likem to be making the determinations on who is innocent in the mind over there..and who is guilty. I do trust our military to make them. I guess it helped me read a bit from Tommy Franks. Good book on some of the stuff that happened over in afghanistan.

Which makes me wonder if some bothered to read books by people who actually were in charge of the troops in afghanistan if they think obama is right.

706 realwest  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:08:15pm

re: #651 Idle Drifter Nope, no way, hu uh - this was definitely NOT a total flame war!
This was just AngryIgbo or whomever, insulting folks left and right for daring, DARING, to precisly quote his/hers/ it's latest boyfriend.
Still don't know how to pronounce that stupid nic though - anyone got any ideas?

707 John Schneider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:08:44pm

re: #700 mondoreb

Yeah...that was just correcting my quickie spelling of Nuevo Laredo.
I like the whole area.


...uhhh, better than I like B. Hussein's quote on "air raiding"
(how's that for veering on topic!?!)

Who's this B. Hussein you speak of?

/sarc

708 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:09:28pm

re: #703 Ginn

I am so there. My pig Spanish is most excellente'.

709 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:10:19pm

re: #707 John Schneider

quit it!
hahaha

710 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:10:24pm

re: #708 Mich-again

re: #703 Ginn

I am so there. My pig Spanish is most excellente'.

Bueno!

(packing bikini and flipflops)

711 blackpajamas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:10:30pm

re: #706 realwest

re: #651 Idle Drifter Nope, no way, hu uh - this was definitely NOT a total flame war!
This was just AngryIgbo or whomever, insulting folks left and right for daring, DARING, to precisly quote his/hers/ it's latest boyfriend.
Still don't know how to pronounce that stupid nic though - anyone got any ideas?

[Link: www.igbo.org...]

The international gay bowling organization.

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

712 Pdogg  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:10:39pm

re: #584 angryigbo

I have no reason to believe Barack will do anything he says. He is after all going to have to deal with the anti-war people in his base and he would cave to them in a heartbeat. Also let's not forget we have many boots in Afghanistan anyway (NATO). Barack may have been right about following terrorists but it is wrong to announce it. We have a CIA for a reason. Should we also tell other countries we're bring spies into there countries too?

You are also wrong in your belief that we are creating more terrorists by fight terrorists. If you noticed there was a poll done recently in the Mideast that said support for suicide bombing is down big time. Undoubtedly it's because they have to deal with the USA and they are learning it's a big mistake.

713 Syrah  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:10:48pm

re: #691 itellu3times

I've tried the search engine to see his other comments, but could not pull them up.

Deleted maybe?

714 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:11:20pm

Here is something I've learned about Obama. He used to be called Barry.

That's all I know.

715 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:11:59pm

re: #711 blackpajamas

Excellent!

716 Geepers  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:12:19pm

realwest (#607),

Its spelled A n g r y I g b o, but it's pronound; C l u e L e s s.

717 realwest  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:12:35pm

re: #670 DesertSage Hey Sage! No, there was a disturbance in the force, but I'm pretty sure AngryIgbro didn't have anything to do with it, cause he never really has anything to do with anything anway!
I'm heading off for bed, Y'all have a good time tonight and remember, DON'T FEED THE FUCKING TOLLS, GAZE 'EM!

718 SusanL  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:13:32pm

re: #256 BenZacharia

re: #249 Nobody's Dhimmi


I haven't met a single Lizardoid in the Northwest.

Too much rain encourages fungal growth, rots the the ole grey matter.

Did you know that it rains more in New York City than it does in Portland, Oregon? We have not had substantial rain for at least 2 months and I live in Portland. I have the sprinklers running as I type.

Western Oregon is very rainy from November to June, the rest of the year is relatively dry. Once you cross the Cascades and enter central Oregon, or Washington it is high desert.

Sorry, don't mean to lecture, but you just have to fight the stereotypes where you find them.

Susan :)

719 realwest  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:13:48pm

re: #711 blackpajamas LOL! No there isn't anything wrong with that, but why's he so angry?
Didnt they have his size in rental shoes or what?

720 John Schneider  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:13:50pm

re: #714 Ginn

Here is something I've learned about Obama. He used to be called Barry.

That's all I know.

We call him something else now. "pendejo"


/just keeping the Laredo, South of the Border thingy goin'...

721 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:14:57pm

Maybe I'm not nuanced enough, but I thought the problem over there was the taliban killing civilians.

/I'm so silly

722 justadot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:15:16pm

re: #713 Syrah

I saw them, they seemed really benign: A token of support for Jon Voigt and some talk about Ron Paul's fishsticks.

/i had some trouble with the search calendar, just make sure you click on the day of the month, not click out, else the date won't change

723 realwest  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:15:45pm

re: #718 SusanL
Yeah, sure - NYC has more rain than Portland!
Just how much is the Portland Chamber of Commerce paying y'all, anyway?!

;>'

Ok, now off to bed!

724 itellu3times  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:15:52pm

re: #713 Syrah

re: #691 itellu3times

I've tried the search engine to see his other comments, but could not pull them up.

Deleted maybe?

Yeah I tried too, I'm not sure the search engine is entirely happening. But there ain't no doubt about it.

725 daledog  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:16:24pm
We just be all air-raidin' up in the civilians' faces yo.

As a native Illini, I knew this fool was a tool long ago. If the man said NOTHING he would be leading the Democratic polls right now.

726 blackpajamas  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:16:35pm

re: #719 realwest

re: #711 blackpajamas LOL! No there isn't anything wrong with that, but why's he so angry?
Didnt they have his size in rental shoes or what?

The rental shoes didn't match his wedding gown.

727 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:16:36pm

Adonde esta la casa de cerveza fria seniorita bonita? See. I could get along in Meh-hee-ho.

re: #714 Ginn

He used to be called Barry.

I did not know that. Barry became Barack. Weirod.

728 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:18:22pm

re: #727 Mich-again

Adonde esta la casa de cerveza fria seniorita bonita? See. I could get along in Meh-hee-ho.

re: #714 Ginn

He used to be called Barry.
I did not know that. Barry became Barack. Weirod.

lol! Barry sounds.. Brady Brunchish

729 DesertSage  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:19:00pm

re: #723 realwest

G'nite Angryrealwest.

I'll just hang out here with AngrySharmuta and AngryGeepers.
Talk to you tomorrow.

~ AngryDesertSage

730 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:19:17pm

grey is a mix of black and white, ebony and ivory...

731 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:20:41pm

re: #729 DesertSage

Where's yer pal Charlie Brown? ("Good grief")

732 DesertSage  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:21:17pm

I forgot Angrycbinflux...

...but he's probably hanging out with AngryFDT.

733 Krampus  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:21:34pm

re: #625 wee fury

Did LGF just have a 'timeout'?
Or, just a huge burp?

I thought it was me, for writing the F-word.

734 DesertSage  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:22:11pm

re: #731 cbinflux

re: #729 DesertSage

Where's yer pal Charlie Brown? ("Good grief")

You mean AngryChen?

735 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:22:52pm

re: #733 Krampus

re: #625 wee fury

Did LGF just have a 'timeout'?
Or, just a huge burp?
I thought it was me, for writing the F-word.

lol!

736 Idle Drifter  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:22:59pm

re: #706 realwest

re: #651 Idle Drifter Nope, no way, hu uh - this was definitely NOT a total flame war!
This was just AngryIgbo or whomever, insulting folks left and right for daring, DARING, to precisely quote his/hers/ it's latest boyfriend.
Still don't know how to pronounce that stupid nic though - anyone got any ideas?

How's it going, realwest. Yes, Angry-Ig-bo is quickly getting on a lot of people's shit lists real quick defending Obama's ignorance of the action on the ground in far off places. He or she is a little too quick with the insults. Part of me thinks troll. I wonder how many have been getting in every time the register is open.

737 Geepers  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:23:43pm

DesertSage,

Look I'm NOT ANGRY! OK? Got it?!

Damn you're stupid. Why don't you go air raid Mexico?

738 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:24:17pm

B. Hussein...

makes me kinda wistful for the days of

739 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:24:47pm

re: #734 DesertSage

He's probably over at his place, praying for a visitor, and writing another page of how he set Charles straight on something or other.

740 RTLM  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:25:09pm

The United States has decided to designate Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps, the country's 125,000-strong elite military branch, as a "specially designated global terrorist,"

linky

741 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:25:14pm

re: #728 Ginn

Brady Brunchish

Funny, if Barrack is a Brady than Hillary must be Alice Nelson in a pants-suit. And that makes Billy Sam the Butcher.

Hasta la pasta !

742 Verity Kindle  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:25:51pm

Obama, I want you to know that the Internet is not a perfect thing..there are some serious drawbacks to this primarily text-based medium, as wonderful as it as as a transmitter of information across vast distances. I am flipping you off so hard right now. Since I don't have a webcam or a digital camera set up, you can't see it. That makes me sad. Perhaps I could mail you a photo.
Ah well. See you and your fat mama at GOE Three on Sept. 15th!

743 Syrah  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:27:26pm

re: #722 justadot

Then you are a better lizard than I.

I can get the search engine to work for other users, but not for that one.

if his other post are that innocuous, than I may have jumped the gun in suspecting him to be from Kosland or Cairistan. He might be just an inarticulate idgit suffering from brainfarts.

744 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:28:01pm
745 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:28:07pm
746 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:28:58pm

re: #740 RTLM
Seems old news given that they've been tracking and blocking their funds for weeks.

747 Idle Drifter  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:29:09pm

re: #737 Geepers

What's with all the anger around here? Oh, well here's Pantera's "Walk"

WARNING: DO NOT listen to this music when angry!

748 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:29:20pm

re: #740 RTLM

The United States has decided to designate Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps, the country's 125,000-strong elite military branch, as a "specially designated global terrorist,"

linky

There goes Nancy's visit.

749 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:30:16pm

re: #745 cbinflux

I'll add that one to my collection...kinda surf-rocky

750 daledog  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:30:27pm
...air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there.

I sure am glad that there is a bi-racial, Harvard-educated, freshman senator around to inform me that air-raiding villages and killing civilians is causing problems. Huh, who would have guessed? I suppose his scary brand of intelligence is just what this country needs.

751 DesertSage  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:31:13pm

We shouldn't take our eyes of of the ball.
All the top tier Democrat candidates are nuttier then an Almond Joy, but John Edwards is still the biggest Douche bag.

752 justadot  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:32:01pm

re: #743 Syrah

Thanks for the compliment, but my fingers were fumbling on that calendar earlier today. Whew...

/justastubbornlizard

753 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:33:05pm

re: #743 Syrah


You aren't missing much. He just posts insults and sounds like a lunatic in his past posts. Kinda funny that he bothers to come here and just be pissy. He must have a little pecker.

754 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:33:42pm

If B. Hussein and the Dims needs Foreign Policy advice:

...just because I'm all about being helpful

755 Idle Drifter  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:33:57pm

re: #751 DesertSage

We shouldn't take our eyes of of the ball.
All the top tier Democrat candidates are nuttier then an Almond Joy, but John Edwards is still the biggest Douche bag.

How 'bout a Hershey's Payday?

756 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:34:29pm

re: #743 Syrah

Guys, it was just an off-color joke.

757 wee fury  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:35:07pm

re: #714 Ginn

Barry Obama. re: #751 DesertSage

We shouldn't take our eyes of of the ball.
All the top tier Democrat candidates are nuttier then an Almond Joy, but John Edwards is still the biggest Douche bag.

I was thinking a Nut Goody.

758 Krampus  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:35:21pm

re: #753 Highrise

re: #743 Syrah


You aren't missing much. He just posts insults and sounds like a lunatic in his past posts. Kinda funny that he bothers to come here and just be pissy. He must have a little pecker.

Someone stole his peepee! What a woowoo.

759 RTLM  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:36:11pm

re: #748 Pawn of the Oppressor

LOL

760 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:37:24pm
761 RTLM  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:37:41pm

re: #746 cbinflux

Did you read it all?

762 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:37:48pm

re: #754 mondoreb

Wow!

763 DesertSage  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:38:32pm

re: #755 Idle Drifter

re: #751 DesertSage

We shouldn't take our eyes of of the ball.
All the top tier Democrat candidates are nuttier then an Almond Joy, but John Edwards is still the biggest Douche bag.

How 'bout a Hershey's Payday?

I was thinking that Democrats just feel nutty, that's why I picked Almond Joy.

764 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:39:40pm

re: #762 Ginn

...with the highest bpm(360) count of any video ever to make it on the playlist of MTV...all 5 or 6 times...way back when

765 SusanL  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:39:54pm

re: #723 realwest

Realwest, I just looked it up to make sure and by gum I am right. Portland Oregon average rainfall 35 inches. New York City average rainfall 47.5 inches.

Volume of New York City's Average Annual Precipitation

About.com

Susan

766 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:42:54pm

re: #729 DesertSage

I'm not angry- I'm a hater. I hate you, DesertSagefarer.

767 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:43:05pm

re: #761 RTLM

I scanned it after it was posted upthread. It was news a few weeks back.

768 squarepeg  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:43:31pm

re: #693 Barrypopik

"Intifada New York" is good intentions? From Wednesday's New York Times:

How New Arabic School Aroused Old Rivalries
By JULIE BOSMAN and JENNIFER MEDINA
The good intentions behind opening an Arabic school in New York ran straight into the treacherous ethnic and ideological political currents of the city.

They lost me at "The good intentions behind opening an Arabic school." To cut it to the bone, they lost me at "good." Who are the reporters to judge that the intentions were good? And I wonder if they could even give a clear idea of "an Arabic school." A normal school except taught in the Arabic language? A little preserve of Arab culture? Was it supposed to promote Arab culture? Never mind, let's finish the sentence, where we find that the conflict was ethnic and ideological -- not about morals or principles.

If only one of these people would agree to sit down and argue one point at a time.

769 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:44:05pm

OK...just because I'm in the mood

B. Hussein's answer to the question:

"Why did you decide to run for president?"

770 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:44:20pm

re: #765 SusanL

35" of drizzling rain is worse than 46" of rain tho'.

771 DesertSage  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:44:56pm

re: #766 Sharmuta

I hate you too Sharmuta...

...you are the bomb!


:')

773 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:46:09pm

re: #771 DesertSage

No Sage- you are the angrybomb.

774 Krampus  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:46:33pm

re: #771 DesertSage

re: #766 Sharmuta

I hate you too Sharmuta...

...you are the bomb!


:')

Why so-much hate? ;(

775 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:47:45pm

Get help!

G'nite

776 Idle Drifter  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:48:39pm

re: #766 Sharmuta

re: #774 Krampus

re: #773 Sharmuta

Why can't we be friends? Muppet Show

777 Killian Bundy  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:50:11pm

Muslim cadet says RCMP harassed him

What started as a simple request to wear a pendant containing passages from the Qur'an spiralled into a daily dose of harassment for a Muslim cadet at the RCMP training academy, the Canadian Human Rights Commission heard yesterday.

It was the first day of a tribunal examining Ali Tahmourpour's complaint that he was ridiculed for his Muslim beliefs and subjected to unwarranted criticism while at the academy in Regina from July to October 1999. He was terminated 14 weeks into the 22-week program.

What a travesty!

/because, of course, military training is all about individuality

778 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:50:13pm

re: #774 Krampus

Why so-much hate?

LOL! It all started one night with a koran quote, but I also passed the Lizard Lounge Hate Quiz.

779 DesertSage  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:50:30pm

re: #774 Krampus

re: #771 DesertSage

re: #766 Sharmuta

I hate you too Sharmuta...

...you are the bomb!


:')

Why so-much hate? ;(

Because...because...we're all angry!

780 lowandslow  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:50:40pm

I've been listening to Imogen Heap all night, thought I'd share.
Hide and Seek

781 WildBillIII  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:51:09pm

Holy Cow, I could'a had a V8!

782 Killian Bundy  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:52:03pm

military police training

/getting late, experiencing troll withdrawl

783 DesertSage  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:55:28pm

re: #780 lowandslow

I've been listening to Imogen Heap all night, thought I'd share.
Hide and Seek

Never heard of Imogen Heap.

I do remember Uriah Heep though

784 Right Wing Nut Job  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:56:29pm

Well, Lizards. I'm going to get some sleep.
-- AngryRWNJ

785 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:56:44pm
786 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:57:58pm

re: #777 Killian Bundy

Off that link:

He described his first fitness class, where cadets were ordered to remove all jewellery. Tahmourpour asked a sergeant if he could keep wearing his religious pendant. The sergeant agreed but then mocked him in class for wanting to wear it.


"It ostracized me. It singled me out," he said. "It was the first destructive moment in my training."

He said he was pulled out of class daily by the academy's staff and criticized for taking too many notes, sitting in a too-formal position and for being too soft-spoken.

"I saw no validity to the things I was being criticized for. I saw it as harassment."

The other minorities, he said, would "poke fun at their own ethnicity, their own ancestry just to gain acceptance."

He also described being ridiculed and yelled at for an hour and told his English was unintelligible, and another incident where an officer mocked his Arabic signature.

I just don't have enough waaa's left in me. The way this guy is bawling, he'd never make a good soldier. This guy must not have been around a HighSchool Football Coach either.

787 meMarc  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:03:01pm

Nikkei is down over 2%.
Oh, and Obama is still a duffus.

788 squarepeg  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:04:28pm

re: #754 mondoreb

If B. Hussein and the Dims needs Foreign Policy advice:
[Link: youtube.com...]

...just because I'm all about being helpful

w00t. That helps a lot!

789 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:06:18pm
790 meMarc  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:07:34pm

re: #789 song_and_dance_man

Yup.

791 Krampus  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:08:11pm

re: #778 Sharmuta

re: #774 Krampus

Why so-much hate?

LOL! It all started one night with a koran quote, but I also passed the Lizard Lounge Hate Quiz.

lol "Why so-much hate" was what an old Friend use to say—about almost anything.

792 Daryl Herbert  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:08:57pm

What Barack Obama said would be brave and patriotic--if it was true.

If, after conversations with Afghanistan vets, Senator Obama was convinced that Americans were harming civilians because of the low number of soldiers there, then he would have a patriotic duty to speak up here at home, even if it's not what most Americans want to hear.

We owe our troops that much--if they're telling us things are going badly and that they're needlessly hurting civilians because of American government policies, we need to change those policies!

But, of course that is not what happened here. Senator Obama just shot his mouth off without evidence, and said that our troops were baby-killers for no good reason. That's not cool. The word that comes to mind is "lightweight."

He is a lawyer; I'm on my way to becoming one, so I know a bit about how lawyers think. We have consider lots of potential arguments.

An argument of the form that American policy is f---ed up in a way that is causing American troops to harm civilians needlessly would be very convincing if people believed it was true.

The problem is, lawyers are also supposed to carefully consider these arguments, test them logically, look for evidence for and against them, and otherwise be prepared to make the argument in a convincing way. Senator Obama appears to have done none of that. It just popped into his head that this would be a very strong argument to make, and he made it, without regard to the consequences (i.e., that he was falsely accusing American troops of killing civilians without good cause, slandering them individually and slandering our war effort over there).

He deserves all of the grief he's getting over this.

793 RTLM  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:09:01pm

We've publicly backed Iran into a corner tonight, but apparently its old news.

794 Krampus  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:10:14pm

re: #778 Sharmuta

re: #774 Krampus

Why so-much hate?

LOL! It all started one night with a koran quote, but I also passed the Lizard Lounge Hate Quiz.

Great list by-the-way Sharmuta.

795 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:11:48pm

re: #792 Daryl Herbert


Senator Obama appears to have done none of that. It just popped into his head that this would be a very strong argument to make, and he made it, without regard to the consequences (i.e., that he was falsely accusing American troops of killing civilians without good cause, slandering them individually and slandering our war effort over there).

I believe this is what occurred too. He needs to stop and think about the consequences before he speaks.

796 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:12:07pm

re: #788 squarepeg

Thanx!

We aims to please, and so does Louise

797 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:12:11pm

re: #794 Krampus

Thanks. I couldn't have done it without the other Loungers. We had fun that night.

798 squarepeg  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:13:56pm

This was such a hot thread. I was jumping in just as the site went down, causing me to get involved in something else. Now I come back and the thread is dead.

But I will say, the Nikkei is down and Obama is still a dufus.

Oh, let me unload about one little thing: Obama doesn't even realize that what he said disqualifies him to be Commander-in-Chief. Doesn't even realize it. Has no concept of how it sounds, how it shows that he doesn't even perceive that the American military is not some separate entity from America and its citizens. Like, they just go over there and they do this stuff. Look at them! They have to be stopped!

799 Kobe  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:14:07pm

He is basically an educated nitwit.

800 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:14:58pm
801 meMarc  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:15:53pm

re: #798 squarepeg

You think it disqualifies him but a lot of Americans don't think so. John Kerry said worse and look how close he got. (Shudder)

802 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:16:40pm

re: #795 Ginn

I believe this is what occurred too. He needs to stop and think about the consequences before he speaks.

leftists rarely do that. It seems that whatever pops into their heads that they think will help them achieve or retain power is what comes out of their mouths.

/It depends on what your definition of the word "is" is

803 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:16:42pm

re: #797 Sharmuta


I skimmed through that thread where you posted the hater quiz...and I got a chuckle on who posted there..on how he liked us all expressing our views on lgf! Little does he know, he's the reason why we joke about us being *haters* lol from that one night he went hysterical...probably drunker than a skunk.

804 Ginn  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:17:46pm

re: #802 Sharmuta

re: #795 Ginn

I believe this is what occurred too. He needs to stop and think about the consequences before he speaks.
leftists rarely do that. It seems that whatever pops into their heads that they think will help them achieve or retain power is what comes out of their mouths.

/It depends on what your definition of the word "is" is

Mouth Poppers?

805 meMarc  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:18:04pm

I can see why Barack would want to drop his middle name. I say we give him another one that rhymes with Hussein. Like insane, or no brain.

806 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:18:29pm

re: #801 meMarc

re: #798 squarepeg

You think it disqualifies him but a lot of Americans don't think so. John Kerry said worse and look how close he got. (Shudder)

It would have been interesting to see how the 04 election would have turned out if someone like Cheney was leading. I think most of those dem votes were anti bush votes, not pro kerry.

807 Krampus  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:18:38pm

Good note Lizards. Fight the good-fight.

808 Krampus  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:19:00pm

pimf 'nite'

809 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:19:09pm
810 RTLM  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:19:16pm

As far as I can tell he graduated from Harvard in 1991 and then went to work for law firm of Miner, Barnhill & Galland - a civil rights firm and tlked at Univ. of Chicago. He then got elected to the IL state senate. I can't find any cases he litigated

811 meMarc  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:20:14pm

re: #806 Highrise

And how many anti-Kerry votes did Bush get?

812 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:20:18pm

re: #805 meMarc

I can see why Barack would want to drop his middle name. I say we give him another one that rhymes with Hussein. Like insane, or no brain.


hehe. Someone on hotair keeps calling him barack hussein whenever they post about him on a topic. I laughed when another poster pelted him with intentionally misleading people by posting the middle name. Dolts.

813 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:20:18pm

re: #803 Highrise

I never saw that before. LMAO. Irony is rich.

814 squarepeg  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:21:18pm

re: #792 Daryl Herbert

Daryl, you're being more generous with him than I am. Even if it were true, the way to say it would be more like, "They're being forced to betray their own and this country's values by killing so many civilians." Instead he used this accusatory tone. Not only did he shoot off his mouth, he revealed that his view is truncated, his perspective incredibly narrow, his mind small, his grasp of the office he seeks utterly inadequate.

815 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:22:05pm

re: #804 Ginn

We might want to reframe that phrase, especially around any clinton.

816 pegcity  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:23:09pm

come again?

817 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:23:56pm

re: #811 meMarc

re: #806 Highrise

And how many anti-Kerry votes did Bush get?


Well the air I think was a bit anti Bush :P that year. I must admit that it did take Bush a bit to come out and explain certain things. I knew what was going on basically because I had heard a lot through missionaries talking to me about the islamists.

But I talked to NO one that liked kerry, but voted for him due to anti bush feelings and you could not talk to those people...not even one word. It just doesn't seem to work the other way around. Generally most conservatives I know or even independents...tend to think a little more.

As for libs, well we know they don't...and they operate on hate.

818 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:25:02pm

465 DesertSage

I'm not convinced that 'Jihad' means 'Inner Spiritual Struggle'.

Does that make me a hater?

Again- the answer is "yes".

/And racist too

819 fishy  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:26:04pm

Barack Obamanation

820 meMarc  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:26:20pm

Barack Hussein Obama

Hillary Hussein Clinton

John Hussein Edwards

Dennis Hussein Kucinich

Kind of works for all of them.

821 AirForceWife  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:26:27pm
“We’ve got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we’re not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there.”

Obama you stupid, stupid, SOB. I guess if you call those living in caves and bunkers with a bunch of grenades, RPG's and mortars and working to reorganize and train for terrorist operations a bunch of civilians, then yes. I guess if you call those that fight and kill behind women and children "civilians" then yes.

What a disgusting POS. I wouldn't piss on him if his guts were on fire.

822 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:26:46pm

re: #814 squarepeg


Holly wood backs him..that is enough for me /cackle.

Seriously though..whenever michael moore and al gore and howard dean spew, there isn't one shred of sentence that can be believed...obama is up to that standard imo. The dems are hurting I think, what they have to pick from are all loons and I just can't see us surrendering the usa to loons...esp after the middle of the road people are watching pelosi and co.'s little circus show. I'm not sure the middle type liberals expected it to peg so far left.

I guess we'll see...interesting stuff...

823 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:27:14pm
824 squarepeg  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:28:14pm

re: #795 Ginn

re: #792 Daryl Herbert


I believe this is what occurred too. He needs to stop and think about the consequences before he speaks.

I've had some experience with this type in my personal life. When you ask them a question, they don't search for the truth -- they search for something plausible. All they want to do is make you quit asking questions -- shut up and move on. Later on, when they have to make good on whatever they said, they'll figure out whatever it is they have to do to make you shut up and move on. Turning to principles (which he hasn't got anyway) or rigorously searching for the truth are things he simply cannot do.

825 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:28:18pm

haha when did hillary earn the nickname muffer? That is funny.

826 RTLM  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:28:38pm

Several of the partners of Obama's ex-law firm have included photos of themselves. LOL - They look ridiculous. Can you get sued for mocking the goofy appearance of a lawyer?

[Link: www.lawmbg.com...]

827 squarepeg  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:29:35pm

re: #816 pegcity

Is my hatred of Obama reducing me to incoherent babbling?

/yes

828 Zim  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:35:49pm

When he says something stupid he should just say, "it is the 50% white man that I am. Just like President Bush" Then when he says something smart, he could say " it is the 50% black man that I is. Just like Bill Clinton"

829 squarepeg  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:37:29pm

re: #822 Highrise

Highrise, yes, Obama to me is every bit as bad as the very very worst of the left. He doesn't know what he thinks, he doesn't know what the office of the president is, he doesn't know what this nation is, and he doesn't know why he wants to "lead" it. He's a borderline evil dufus. I hope his upcoming failure in '08 teaches him something -- although it will probably be very basic, like "I shouldn't have said that thing. Next time I won't say that thing."

830 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:38:14pm
831 AirForceWife  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:39:59pm

The Muslim extremists must be laughing their asses off at us right about now.

I imagine them to being saying something like ...Look at those Americans. We fly airplanes into their towers and Pentagon killing thousands and 6 years later someone is running for President with the name of Barack....Hussein....Obama talking about how their military is "air raiding villages and killing civilians". Ha Ha Ha Haaa.

Go ahead and laugh you cave thugs, it's only amount of time before our dogs of war send you straight to Hell.

832 pegcity  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:40:34pm

How did it come to this, we might as well have britney and Paris running in the democratic primary

"so Paris what how do you plan to end the war"

"um like i plan to ask the world to get together and hold hands and call for world peace and stuff, cause like killing people is bad"

833 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:43:37pm

I believe this came as people stopped believing evil existed and that all we can do is talk it out..and oh..we are mean white people..bad bad..can do nothing good!

834 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:45:57pm

re: #831 AirForceWife

I know I would be chuckling at the stupidity of some of what comes out of our elected officials' faces. But we aren't suppose to question their patriotism when they do traitorous things or give aide and comfort to the enemy. Maybe they are too dumb to know what that is?

For obama, he's not too dumb to know what he said...he really is just letting his true feelings out..dumb as those are..but I won't let him off the hook as that this was just a mere dumb statement and he didn't mean it.

835 Highrise  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:49:41pm

Funny, debbie S. has some info over at her blog in regards to the background of the guy who had the pro hezbollah sign put up that was taken down in canada.

My what a tangled web we weave...

836 squarepeg  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:49:52pm

re: #831 AirForceWife

Damn straight. Let 'em laugh while they can. Their beastly, evil, backwards, ugly ideology is of a nature that it can only be ended with violence and humiliation like they can't imagine . . . and it will be.

837 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:50:02pm
838 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:54:43pm

re: #831 AirForceWife

The islamists would call obama a "useful idiot".

/The koslings would call the islamists "useful idiots" for Bushitlerburton Inc.

839 Render  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:58:05pm

wow...

Does Obama actually have somebody on his staff attempting to advise him on military affairs?

Is Obama aware that Afghanistan is still a landlocked nation?

===

30,000 (est) troops serving in Afghanistan, of which fully half to two thirds are NATO or other than US, (depending on rotations).

Why so "few?"

Because the bulk of their supplies, (food, fuel, ammo, replacement gear), still come by air. We do not have enough transport aircraft available to resupply more troops than that.

Even if we were not engaged in any other fronts of this war, we still would not have enough long range transport aircraft and aerial tankers to supply any more troops.

Nor does Afghanistan have enough airfields capable of handling any more aircraft than currently.

===

So somebody explained to Obama that we do not have enough troops in Afghanistan to invade Pakistan, (which is also home to the bulk of the ground supply lines that enter Afghanistan), and this is his solution?

Put more troops in, then have those troops attack their own supply lines?

Suddenly I get the impression that Obama never won a single game of Risk during his childhood. Assuming he played...

WE'LL
CALL
YOU,
R

840 bosforus  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:59:19pm

re: #838 Sharmuta

don't speak ill of the leader please!

841 DesertSage  Tue, Aug 14, 2007 11:59:49pm

re: #818 Sharmuta

465 DesertSage

I'm not convinced that 'Jihad' means 'Inner Spiritual Struggle'.

Does that make me a hater?

Again- the answer is "yes".

/And racist too

Wow, you dug deep for that one.

/I guess I'm a racist.

842 bosforus  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 12:00:04am

re: #839 Render

hey render, good find on the mosque permits by the way!

843 AirForceWife  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 12:00:20am

#838 Sharmuta 8/14/2007 11:54:43 pm PDT reply quote report

re: #831 AirForceWife

The islamists would call obama a "useful idiot".

/The koslings would call the islamists "useful idiots" for Bushitlerburton Inc.

I call him an opportunist and a traitor. I stopped questioning the patriotism of him and those of his ilk a long time ago. What is there to question? it's blatantly obvious what they are.

844 justadot  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 12:01:05am

A little OT but maybe not, latest from Hitchens:
Fighting the "Real" Fight: Foolish myths about al-Qaida in Mesopotamia.

We can not only deny the clones of Bin Ladenism a military victory in Iraq, we can also discredit them in the process and in the eyes (and with the help) of a Muslim people who have seen them up close. We can do this, moreover, in a keystone state of the Arab world that guards a chokepoint—the Gulf—in the global economy. As with the case of Afghanistan—where several provinces are currently on a knife-edge between an elected government that at least tries for schools and vaccinations, and the forces of uttermost darkness that seek to negate such things—the struggle will take all our nerve and all our intelligence. But who can argue that it is not the same battle in both cases, and who dares to say that it is not worth fighting?

I didn't even get the money quotes. It's eloquent and direct -- and really applies to the left/DNC's desire to abandon Iraq to "save" Afghanistan.

Off to sleep for me, nite y'all.

845 Render  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 12:01:31am

re: #842 bosforus

TY. I had local help.

KIRLYNESS,
R

846 longtalltxn  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 12:01:47am

Goood morning dead threaders!

847 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 12:02:04am
848 longtalltxn  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 12:04:23am

re: #847 song_and_dance_man
Nice!

849 longtalltxn  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 12:04:46am

Still cleanin off my KB

850 longtalltxn  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 12:05:55am

Although to compare Obama to a 'tool' is offensive to tools everywhere

851 pat  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 12:06:05am

Does "Obama" mean idiot in Arabic? It might now.

852 LongTallTxn  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 12:07:45am

re: #851 pat

I believe Obama translates to "clueless one"

853 Highrise  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 12:10:45am

Who is in charge of these memorials?

[Link: www.floppingaces.net...]

Which points to this document:

[Link: errortheory.blogspot.com...]

They use a muslim crescent symbol and actually count the hijackers among the number dead!


Why can't we name the enemy? Some similar bs is going on with the twin towers memorial too.

854 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 12:11:42am
855 squarepeg  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 12:12:11am