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Kos Goes for the Dishonest Smear

Wed, Aug 15, 2007 at 8:50:36 am PDT

Markos “Screw Them” Moulitsas must be feeling a little beleaguered about the hateful content at his web site. He’s spent the last week protesting to the media that 1) the hateful content doesn’t exist, or 2) it’s “democracy at work.”

But today he’s going around cherry-picking unregistered comments from Republican blogs, and posting overheated, deliberately distorted attacks like this: Daily Kos: ME-Sen: Susan Collins wants terrorist attack on SF.

Under the Collins campaign’s own rules, anything written in the comments of a blog is representative of those who run the blog.

So since the Maine Web Report is run by Collins’ director of online communications, we can say this comment essentially came out of Susan Collins’ mouth:

Arthur Frain, Portland ME
Aug 14th, 2007 at 7:58 pm
You know what this country needs? Another terrorist attack. Take out SF or some other city full of dirty libs, and then the country will rally behind the GOP for protection.
Yeah, this is a ridiculous game, but if they insist on playing it...

(And yeah, I’ve got a screenshot for when they try to delete it and pretend it was never posted.)

Of course, Susan Collins didn’t say what Kos directly attributes to her. Markos is quoting from an anonymous comment left at Maine Web Report, a blog run by Collins’ director of online communications—and that blog doesn’t even represent itself as affiliated with Susan Collins. Markos’ post is so dishonest it’s almost amazing. (Oooh, but he got a screenshot!)

Most of the hateful content that’s been brought out recently by media has appeared in Daily Kos “diaries.” Diary posts at Daily Kos are not comments; they’re blog posts, by registered users, they’re monitored, and each diary generates its own thread of comments.

And you won’t find a single page of comments at Daily Kos that contains a disclaimer, to explicitly point out that comments are the responsibility of the poster, not representative of the views of the owner.

At LGF, you’ll find such a disclaimer at the top of every page of comments.

Kos wants it both ways; he wants to claim this huge army of readers when it makes him look powerful, but disavow them when they embarrass him.

UPDATE at 8/15/07 10:00:07 am:

The diarists, of course, are going nuts over the criticisms: Daily Kos: Jews Evicted, Millions Branded Subhuman At Lieberman Endorsed Event.

UPDATE at 8/15/07 1:19:20 pm:

And after Kos’s little smear job, it turns out the comment he quoted was posted at Maine Web Report by ... wait for it ... a leftist troll.

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1 ripper  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 8:53:26am

Since we're talking about Kos, I think anything we say here can be attributed to him.

I understand Kos eats Iraqi children for breakfast. With milk.

2 stinksinhere  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 8:53:40am

How can one person be so stupid?

3 vxbush  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 8:54:29am

Power corrupts, ya know. But I think Markos is overestimating his own power.

4 abolitionist  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 8:55:07am
Kos wants it both ways; he wants to claim this huge army of readers when it makes him look powerful, but disavow them when they embarrass him.

I thought he hated the military.

5 allah this  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 8:55:42am

Fark KOS.

6 strandedsf  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 8:55:56am

It has been difficult for me to contain my disgust at Kos' recent gloating. I hold out the hope that he will be brought low by the hateful content of his "influential" (to moonbats) site...does anyone else out there think it's inevitable that Kos will be detroned by his big ugly mouth, and soon?

7 peck  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 8:56:26am

re: #2 stinksinhere

When you are wired to your big daddy with deep pockets, you are allowed to be as stupid as you want to be. It's just that nobody calls you on it. I think it's an emporor-clothes (does he or doesn't he?) kind of thing. We just don't understand.

8 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 8:56:27am

Somebody call the waaaaaaambulance.

/stat!

9 strandedsf  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 8:56:36am

#6 Oops, that's "dethroned."

10 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 8:57:12am

re: #7 peck

re: #2 stinksinhere

When you are wired to your big daddy with deep pockets, you are allowed to be as stupid as you want to be. It's just that nobody calls you on it. I think it's an emporor-clothes (does he or doesn't he?) kind of thing. We just don't understand.

I'll bet Soros has some nasty, hairy teats.

/yep

11 peck  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 8:57:19am

Oops. PIMF.
emperor_clothes

12 zmdavid  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 8:57:38am
Kos wants it both ways; he wants to claim this huge army of readers when it makes him look powerful, but disavow them when they embarrass him.


And he would have gotten away with it too...

13 peck  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 8:57:48am

re: #10 Ward Cleaver

Just gross.

14 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 8:57:52am

Aye, there's the rub... Anti-Israel-ism and the Judenhass it stands on is policy for the left, expressed by acknowledged party mouthpieces, not individual jerks in a public section of a given blog.

The Colbert Report ragged on YearlyKos last week, using clips of Bill O'Reilly comparing DKos to the KKK and the Nazis. I know Colbert is a parody of Bill O'Reilly and I was supposed to laugh because Kos supposedly isn't like Hitler, but I laughed anyway, and then had to explain to my girl about the commonalities and connections between Orthodox Islamic Fascism and the modern left.

I had never seen a clip of Kos talking. For an internet tough guy, he sure does come across like a weenie.

15 strandedsf  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 8:58:11am

Can anyone remedy my ignorance about the connection between Kos and Soros? And does anyone else think it's really Soros who's played the "Rovian" role for the last 5 years in our country?

16 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 8:58:33am

re: #2 stinksinhere

How can one person be so stupid?

He's had to work at it.

17 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 8:59:05am

re: #13 peck

re: #10 Ward Cleaver

Just gross.

I thought you'd like it.

18 jayzee  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 8:59:11am

But Markos told us there were no hateful anti semitic comments on Kos. He told us in that interview with Ford last weekend. He wouldn't lie! Say it aint so Kos say it aint so you filthy piece of dreck.

19 equable  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 8:59:17am

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

20 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 8:59:34am

re: #2 stinksinhere

How can one person be so stupid?

He gets out of bed early in the morning to practice stupidity.

21 insanity police  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:00:19am

Kos Koward

22 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:00:27am

re: #16 Ward Cleaver

GMTA.

23 insanity police  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:00:58am

Is Markos an anti-semite, or does he just play one on T.V.?

24 phil flavin  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:01:24am

re: #10 Ward Cleaver

re: #7 peck


re: #2 stinksinhere

When you are wired to your big daddy with deep pockets, you are allowed to be as stupid as you want to be. It's just that nobody calls you on it. I think it's an emporor-clothes (does he or doesn't he?) kind of thing. We just don't understand.


I'll bet Soros has some nasty, hairy teats.

/yep

uhh...HELLO? It is lunchtime here in the east. I think I just threw up a little bit.

25 Jeff MacMillan  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:01:56am

#1 ripper

I don't think we want to stoop to KOS's mental disorder mentality of lying and smearing people he doesn't like.

I for one would love to see some of these Republican bloggers getting smeared along with Susan Collins to file a Lawsuit against Markous Moulitsas. This is clearly a violation of ethics on his part if not the law, but I suspect spreading lies and smears in public is harassment and can be prosecuted.

26 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:02:46am

Oh, and before I forget to say it: MARKOS, YOU SUCK.

I wish I could say that you should be ashamed of yourself but, you're too full of hubris to even know the meaning of the word "shame."

P.S. Give my regards to Kestrel and Moonbat Granny. *jingle bells*

27 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:03:34am

I wish Kos would just shut his pie hole and crawl back under the fungus infested rock he emerged from.

28 insanity police  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:04:01am

re: #25 Jeff MacMillan


Kos don't have no stinkin' ethics. Such "petty" matters do not concern him.

29 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:04:16am

re: #10 Ward Cleaver

re: #7 peck


re: #2 stinksinhere

When you are wired to your big daddy with deep pockets, you are allowed to be as stupid as you want to be. It's just that nobody calls you on it. I think it's an emporor-clothes (does he or doesn't he?) kind of thing. We just don't understand.


I'll bet Soros has some nasty, hairy teats.

/yep

Dude...I'm eating here!

30 xtraBilly  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:05:05am

This seems to be the uberLibs new tactic - "the hatefulness can be found on both left and right blogs" excuse.

31 bosforus[deleted]  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:05:29am
32 MrMom  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:06:13am

VancouverKos man beats off five masked intruders .........

Quick, somebody get a screen money shot!

33 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:06:25am

re: #24 phil flavin

Sorry about that.

34 mondoreb  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:06:48am

M Kos MTM

"When only the most Distinctive Smear will do"

35 peck  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:06:53am

re: #24 phil flavin
Threads like this help to keep the apetite at bay therefore limiting caloric intake and excessive spending on lunches. A really cheap diet plan.

36 Muadib  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:06:53am

Daily Kos is democracy at work a NeoMarxist Lynch Mob.

37 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:07:07am

re: #32 MrMom

VancouverKos man beats off five masked intruders .........

Quick, somebody get a screen money shot!

Not goin' there.

38 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:07:09am

re: #27 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I wish Kos would just shut his pie hole and crawl back under the fungus infested rock he emerged from.

He can't. The rock evicted him for being toxic.

39 Geepers  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:07:14am

Probably this post that got Kossy's dander up:

Desperately Stalking Susan

Markos Moulitsas’s hate-site The Daily Kos, the foul-mouthed fem-blog FiredogLake, and other ‘netroots’ extremists like MoveOn.org, have become the dominant fundraisers for Tom Allen’s senate campaign. This may be good news for Allen financially, but allowing these fringe fanatics to take over his campaign is creating a political atmosphere that will undoubtedly be rejected by Maine voters come next November.

Tom Allen’s involvement with these groups, particularly his participation in the website The Daily Kos, came onto the radar screen of Maine voters recently, as national media exposed a pattern of hateful, vulgar, and anti-semitic postings on the site. Now Allen’s extremist friends have landed on the ground in Maine, and are engaging in the same childish bullying campaign tactics that made Connecticut voters reject their attempts to unseat Senator Joe Lieberman in 2006.

[Bunch of photos of creepy guy bird-dogging Colins]

When put into the context of what these ‘netroots’ fanatics have been saying online lately, the attempts to intimidate Senator Collins during such a benign event are troubling. It’s disturbing enough to hear Tom Allen’s MoveOn and DailyKos friends writing things like ‘Joe Lieberman should be gassed’ , or to hear them talk about killing politicians in their internet rants. But when they begin showing up in Maine, hovering over Girl Scouts and baby carriages, and following people around like this, it makes the disturbing rhetoric much more alarming.

40 DesertSage  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:07:32am

Hey Kos, quote this:

The DailyKos is a vitriolic, vulgar, venomous, military disparaging, antisemitic hate site!

41 mondoreb  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:08:03am

Of course, I can see why Marcos can't edit any comments.

Takes a lot of time running the Democratic nomination process.

42 cookielady  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:08:52am

Kos

Knuckleheaded
Obfuscating
Scumbag

43 MrMom  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:09:41am

re: #37 Ward Cleaver

Party pooper. ;p

44 looking closely  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:10:22am

KOS and LGF sure get a lot of play attacking one another, don't we/they?

I don't read KOS. . .never have, but is there any editorial oversight there at all?

45 ladycatnip  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:10:39am

When the left spews hatred, bigotry and anti-Semitism it's "democracy at work."

I can only stand reading Kos for about 30 seconds before my blood pressure reaches meltdown status. Arrogant, prideful, hateful and full of endless justification for their vitriol. Their self-righteousness far exceeds the liberal's caricature of a super- hyper Christian fundamentalist.

46 licdiv2  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:10:54am

markos will never be accused of being honest, it's an unkown to him. he will always live in a hysterical over reactive make believe world.

47 jamgarr  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:11:19am

Anybody else bored with interblog flame wars?

48 HeatherRadish  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:13:23am

What I can't figure out is that here at work, Websense blogs JAMES LILEK'S BLEAT *boggle*, but the hate at Kos is still accessible.

49 jdawg  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:13:53am

re: #2 stinksinhere

How can one person be so stupid?

It's not one person, really. This typifies the left in America. Clueless and stuck on stupid.

50 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:14:05am

re: #3 vxbush,

He has misinterpreted corruption for power. He thinks his unlimited corruption will lead to unlimited power.

Heh™ :-)

51 looking closely  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:14:33am

re: #47 jamgarr

Anybody else bored with interblog flame wars?

I am, see above.

But people love dirt and they generate "hits", which is why they are going to perpetuate indefinitely.

I suppose Charles *could* take the high road, and mostly-to-completely ignore KOS and his gang of lunatics, but that deprives we lizardoids of a baddie to hate.

52 bosforus  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:14:34am

he feels so forced to participate in the comments quote war. why?

Yeah, this is a ridiculous game, but if they insist on playing it...

Does he need a hobby?

53 Ginn  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:15:41am
Kos wants it both ways; he wants to claim this huge army of readers when it makes him look powerful, but disavow them when they embarrass him.

Charles...

Why hasn't KOS put up a disclaimer such as you have here on LGF as to the content of posts?

54 vxbush  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:15:56am

re: #50 Iron Fist

Perhaps. He's an opportunist.

55 jdawg  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:16:33am

re: #25 Jeff MacMillan

#1 ripper

I don't think we want to stoop to KOS's mental disorder mentality of lying and smearing people he doesn't like.

I for one would love to see some of these Republican bloggers getting smeared along with Susan Collins to file a Lawsuit against Markous Moulitsas. This is clearly a violation of ethics on his part if not the law, but I suspect spreading lies and smears in public is harassment and can be prosecuted.

Spreading lies and smears is the SOP of the Left. They can't compete honestly in the arena of ideas so they do what comes naturally to them.

56 peck  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:16:57am

re: #53 Ginn

Kos' answer to that direct question would probably be more entertaining and maybe even the basis for a whole new thread.

57 paxnhymn  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:16:59am

comon folks. Y'all gonna rile up the nodroG, then he'll have to wipe off his chin, come out from under Markos' desk and defend his daddy..

58 HeatherRadish  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:17:04am

re: #51 looking closely

that deprives we lizardoids of a baddie to hate.

We'll always have Harry Reid. Unfortunately.

59 Geepers  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:17:21am

And check out the comments at my link at @39: Desperately Stalking Susan

Most posts have 0,1 or 2 (one has 11) comments. That one has 165, Virtually all of them LLL rantings about how kos isn't a jew hater and that the Republicans are much worse haters anyway. Oh yeah, and Bush is stupid.

Coincidence?

60 Ginn  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:18:08am

Here's the deal... I've read anti-semitic diaries and comments at KOS. KOS claims this Free Speech which is true but in my opinion it's pretty hateful.

You can hide all kinds of things behind Free Speech.

61 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:18:42am

After watching Marcos (Sunday-Meet the Press) I conclude this punk truly believes he and his 500K strong far-lefty ilk "ARE" the "New Progressive Democratic Party." My concerns of a potential republican loss in this upcoming 'o8 election are beginning to mitigate. As I believe he may be right on this. They are the dems.

62 Ginn  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:19:14am

re: #56 peck

re: #53 Ginn

Kos' answer to that direct question would probably be more entertaining and maybe even the basis for a whole new thread.

I think so. It wouldn't take me all of one second to include a disclaimer such as Charles has on LGF... what's up with KOS?

63 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:19:26am

Frankly, I'd like to see the DKos power wax until just the right moment to cause maximum damage to the Dems. Not sure exactly when that would be, but given that the candidates seem to be falling all over themselves to be connected with Markos machine, I'd love to see them go all in and have it implode on them. It could be the Dean Scream of this election cycle.

64 BulgarWheat  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:20:03am

I enjoyed watching Harold Ford beeyotch slap him around last Sunday.

That was pretty funny. The little weasel was on the verge of snarlin' at Harold.

It's funny watching the libs stick the fork in one another.

65 mondoreb  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:20:06am

re: #58 HeatherRadish

We'll always have Harry Reid. Unfortunately.

I really can't work up any hate for any leftists....But it IS fun to point out the fallacies in their ideas and call them when they lie or bend the truth.

If it wasn't for all that, I'd be reduced to building a rock garden or rearranging my sock drawer again, I suppose....

66 Ginn  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:20:58am

re: #61 unrealizedviewpoint

After watching Marcos (Sunday-Meet the Press) I conclude this punk truly believes he and his 500K strong far-lefty ilk "ARE" the "New Progressive Democratic Party." My concerns of a potential republican loss in this upcoming 'o8 election are beginning to mitigate. As I believe he may be right on this. They are the dems.

Actually they do believe they are the new Progressives and you'd be surprised who they have targeted. They hate Hillary, Pelosi, ect. They call them the "Blue Dog Dems." They claimed that Rove resigned in order to "divide" them.

(which made me laugh)

67 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:21:17am

Markos and dishonesty. They go together like....

Peanut butter and jelly
Jerk and chicken
Screw and them
Brown and shirt
Red and commie
Soviet and Union

68 formercorpsman  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:21:40am

re: #59 Geepers

It really does speak as to the psychology of the adherents.

Too dumb to realize when their doing it, and just smart enough to try to spin it as not being contradictory to their creed.

69 looking closely  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:22:04am

re: #60 Ginn

Here's the deal... I've read anti-semitic diaries and comments at KOS. KOS claims this Free Speech which is true but in my opinion it's pretty hateful.

You can hide all kinds of things behind Free Speech.

I think the point is that this particular free speech is uncovering things that might otherwise be hidden.

That's what's getting to KOS and his ilk, apparently.

IMO, its better that their racism and general nuttiness be seen uncensored by anyone who wants to look.

70 Geepers  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:22:08am

looking closely (#44),

I don't read KOS. . .never have, but is there any editorial oversight there at all?

Yes there is. Which puts the lie to their incessant whining about how they can't control what people say.

They'll ban you in a heartbeat if you post a "The surge is working" diary.

Try it.

71 slartybartfast  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:23:30am

Kos' Komments on Meet the Press be found on the MtP site.

I run a site and I’m part of a movement that has hundreds of thousands to millions of committed activists...

Yep...that's a bunch. (It's good to be the King.) Here's my favorite part...

REP. FORD: But, but, Markos, in all fairness, your site has posted awful things about Jewish-Americans. Your site...

MR. MOULITSAS: That’s not true.

REP. FORD: ...has offered...

MR. MOULITSAS: It’s not allowed.

REP. FORD: You—now you have a site up about...

MR. MOULITSAS: It’s not allowed.

REP. FORD: ...something about Cindy Sheehan, she uses it as a—she has a heavy presence there in talking about her run against...

MR. MOULITSAS: It’s called democracy. If you don’t like regular people—hundreds of thousands of people...
REP. FORD: No, no, I love it. But you can’t be critical of us.

MR. MOULITSAS: ...talking, you’re going to have—you’re going to have...

REP. FORD: ...of us.

MR. MOULITSAS: Of course.

MR. GREGORY: Let me—let me insert...

MR. MOULITSAS: Because I don’t control hundreds of thousands of voices. You and your organization have a few dozen people. You can control that message. And you don’t need to attack Democrats.

MR. GREGORY: Let me insert here and conclude...

Yep, thanks for changing the subject.

72 realwest  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:23:46am

I think it's a scream that "Kos wants it both ways; he wants to claim this huge army of readers when it makes him look powerful, but disavow them when they embarrass him."
This is the "Screw 'em" Kos we're talking about, right? So how the hell can his intellectually challenged readers embarrass him?

73 Axiom  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:23:52am

Is this "Arthur Frain" even a supporter of Susan Collins?

When you search for this name on Google you find a whole heck of a lot of comments made to Crooks and Liars, blogs from Time columnists, but nearly zero comments posted to right of center blogs.

One wonders if Arthur Frain is Mr. Zuniga.

74 peck  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:25:46am

re: #62 Ginn

Part of the answer may be that should he commit with a disclaimer, he couldn't play both sides. He probably believes in maintaining the edge with the maximum moral and intellectual flexibility. Someene might fall into the trap of mistaking his position as principled...heaven forbid. Besides, its tough to please everyone when you have drawn a line in the sand.

75 looking closely  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:25:50am

re: #70 Geepers

looking closely (#44),

I don't read KOS. . .never have, but is there any editorial oversight there at all?

Yes there is. Which puts the lie to their incessant whining about how they can't control what people say.

They'll ban you in a heartbeat if you post a "The surge is working" diary.

Try it.


Try it? That means I would have to actually register for the site and look at it. Not worth my time; I'll take your word for it.

If this is true, then the criticism directed against KOS is cutting.

It says a tremendous amount about that site (and its director personally) when "the surge is working" gets you banned, but "The Jews are controlling our gov't" gets a bunch of positive feedback.

76 Armigerous  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:26:21am

What I don't understand is why so many name Democrat office holders feel like they have to pay homage to this lying nelly punk....if he isn't the poster boy for homofascism,nobody is.....I can't wait for him to smear somebody who isn't impressed by him and he winds up picking his teeth up off the floor

77 Geepers  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:26:29am
I suppose Charles *could* take the high road, and mostly-to-completely ignore KOS and his gang of lunatics,

looking closely, I'm going to start saying all kinds of really nasty, vile and disgusting things about you.

Feel free to "take the high road".

78 Ginn  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:27:13am

re: #59 Geepers

And check out the comments at my link at @39: Desperately Stalking Susan

Most posts have 0,1 or 2 (one has 11) comments. That one has 165, Virtually all of them LLL rantings about how kos isn't a jew hater and that the Republicans are much worse haters anyway. Oh yeah, and Bush is stupid.

Coincidence?

Geepers...

Wow. Just wow.

I read the posts. They asked for "Lance" to show proof and he did. He put up a screenshot from DKOS...

Which was pretty damn compelling and they ignored it!

79 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:27:15am

re: #66 Ginn

re: #61 unrealizedviewpoint

After watching Marcos (Sunday-Meet the Press) I conclude this punk truly believes he and his 500K strong far-lefty ilk "ARE" the "New Progressive Democratic Party." My concerns of a potential republican loss in this upcoming 'o8 election are beginning to mitigate. As I believe he may be right on this. They are the dems.

Actually they do believe they are the new Progressives and you'd be surprised who they have targeted. They hate Hillary, Pelosi, ect. They call them the "Blue Dog Dems." They claimed that Rove resigned in order to "divide" them.

(which made me laugh)

It's not a hate for Shrillay et al. It's more a control-over - they seek. I'm all for KOS control. I support them in this action, as it will serve greatly to assure a Rudy win.

80 Ginn  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:27:42am

re: #69 looking closely

re: #60 Ginn

Here's the deal... I've read anti-semitic diaries and comments at KOS. KOS claims this Free Speech which is true but in my opinion it's pretty hateful.

You can hide all kinds of things behind Free Speech.

I think the point is that this particular free speech is uncovering things that might otherwise be hidden.

That's what's getting to KOS and his ilk, apparently.

IMO, its better that their racism and general nuttiness be seen uncensored by anyone who wants to look.

I think you're spot on!

81 Ginn  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:28:27am

re: #79 unrealizedviewpoint

re: #66 Ginn

re: #61 unrealizedviewpoint
After watching Marcos (Sunday-Meet the Press) I conclude this punk truly believes he and his 500K strong far-lefty ilk "ARE" the "New Progressive Democratic Party." My concerns of a potential republican loss in this upcoming 'o8 election are beginning to mitigate. As I believe he may be right on this. They are the dems.
Actually they do believe they are the new Progressives and you'd be surprised who they have targeted. They hate Hillary, Pelosi, ect. They call them the "Blue Dog Dems." They claimed that Rove resigned in order to "divide" them.

(which made me laugh)

It's not a hate for Shrillay et al. It's more a control-over - they seek. I'm all for KOS control. I support them in this action, as it will serve greatly to assure a Rudy win.

Me too! I loved reading their posts on their "plans" for the 08 race!

82 Jinx McHue  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:29:11am

Ooo! And Markos has a screen shot in case they try to delete the comment.

This from the guy who removed the direct link to his "screw them" comment.

83 Ginn  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:29:44am

Geepers...

Can you grab that screenshot of what Lance posted from KOS off that Maine site? I have a feeling it's disappeared from KOS and everywhere else.

84 ladycatnip  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:30:27am

#51 looking closely

I suppose Charles *could* take the high road, and mostly-to-completely ignore KOS and his gang of lunatics, but that deprives we lizardoids of a baddie to hate.

It's not about taking the high road. This site is an information machine. Charles doesn't have to come up with his own stuff on these morons, he simply quotes them.

It's important to "know thy enemy."

85 MrMom  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:32:07am

The real fun will come as election day nears, and all the dem candidates back pedal from the looney left/Kos in order to gain the 'moderate' vote. That's when the evidence of their extremism needs to come forth.

86 Ginn  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:32:07am

re: #65 mondoreb

re: #58 HeatherRadish

We'll always have Harry Reid. Unfortunately.

I really can't work up any hate for any leftists....But it IS fun to point out the fallacies in their ideas and call them when they lie or bend the truth.

If it wasn't for all that, I'd be reduced to building a rock garden or rearranging my sock drawer again, I suppose....

lol!

87 realwest  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:34:28am

re: #75 looking closely To post at Kos, you have to sorta "pre-register" - give your nic and state the general area(s) you want to discuss and then SOMEONE will decide whether or not you can post at Kos.
I tried it, several years ago and I put in that I wanted to talk about Freedom of Speech........and I was not accepted to post at Kos. Absolutely True Story.

88 Pickle  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:35:09am

Nice try, Kos, but the fact of the matter is that the disgusting hate doesn't swing both ways. Your side has a near-monopoly on it, and you losers will continue losing credibility within the mainstream as a result.

Your flash in the pan is fading, as people realize you are psychopaths. Live with it.

89 Ginn  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:36:12am

re: #74 peck

re: #62 Ginn

Part of the answer may be that should he commit with a disclaimer, he couldn't play both sides. He probably believes in maintaining the edge with the maximum moral and intellectual flexibility. Someene might fall into the trap of mistaking his position as principled...heaven forbid. Besides, its tough to please everyone when you have drawn a line in the sand.

Maximum moral and intellectual flexibility. (Excellent)

But you see, he does believe his position is principled even though its foundation is built on sand.

90 mrsoc  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:36:59am

re: #1 ripper

Since we're talking about Kos, I think anything we say here can be attributed to him.

I understand Kos eats Iraqi children for breakfast. With milk.

As a matter of fact, I heard he was lactose intolerant (to match all his other intolerance) and he farts if he eats them with milk. Thus, he fries them in sesame oil.

91 Geepers  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:37:37am

Ginn (#78),

This is one of my favorites:

Philip
Aug 15th, 2007 at 12:54 am
Lance, why do you post blatant lies? As I am sure you must know by now, Daily Kos is not a hate site, it is a citizen political forum composed of patriotic Americans who despise the lying, smearing, warmongering, bribe-taking, pedophile-protecting, stunningly corrupt, FEMA destroying, New Orleans ignoring, torturing, worldwide gulag running, warrantless domestic eavesdropping, Justice Department politicizing, traitorous, incompetent Republicans, who launched an unprovoked invasion and semi-permanent occupation of Mesopotamia all on the basis of baldfaced WMD lies, that has resulted in the deaths of 3700+ U.S. troops as well as countless thousands of innocent Iraqis.

Senator Collins voted to authorize the boneheaded strategic blunder, possibly the greatest mistake in American history. She deserves to be questioned closely about it; every time she ventures out in public.

Wow, he covered a lot of material there.

Think he's a kos kid?

92 MarkX  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:38:57am

re: #2 stinksinhere

How can one person be so stupid?

That is a rhetorical question, right?

93 mean Gene  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:39:51am

Charles, thanks for monitoring the unmonitorable.
I can't stand to linger there more than 5 or 6 minutes.
It is the single most horrid site I know of for disparaging, filthy, unreasonable haranging on the whole web!

What ever happened to kos being a swift and merciless moderator?
(CHEAP)

94 kingronjo  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:39:58am

how about Kos or one of his acolytes goes to these sites, posts some bilge on it and then go, "OOOOOOOOO, lookie here what we found! Hateful hateful." A form of sock puppetry he can feed to his mindless minions to show them it's OK everyone does it, you are not demented moonbats.

Perhaps the infected sites should do what you have been doing lately and checking ISP addresses of the posters, see if any interesting things pop up.

And the point that you make Charles about the hate coming from the diarists I dont think is hammered home hard enough even by O'Reilly. That the disgusting hate that you find on Kos and MyDD etc comes from their registered users, the ones approved by the moderators as acceptable to them to lead the discussion. O'Reilly showed the pic of Lieberman on his knees tugging at the Presidents fly that was posted for a year. I am quite sure no unregistered user at Kos could get that up.

95 Spiny Norman  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:41:39am

re: #91 Geepers

Ginn (#78),

This is one of my favorites:

Philip
Aug 15th, 2007 at 12:54 am
Lance, why do you post blatant lies? As I am sure you must know by now, Daily Kos is not a hate site, it is a citizen political forum composed of patriotic Americans who despise the lying, smearing, warmongering, bribe-taking, pedophile-protecting, stunningly corrupt, FEMA destroying, New Orleans ignoring, torturing, worldwide gulag running, warrantless domestic eavesdropping, Justice Department politicizing, traitorous, incompetent Republicans, who launched an unprovoked invasion and semi-permanent occupation of Mesopotamia all on the basis of baldfaced WMD lies, that has resulted in the deaths of 3700+ U.S. troops as well as countless thousands of innocent Iraqis.
Senator Collins voted to authorize the boneheaded strategic blunder, possibly the greatest mistake in American history. She deserves to be questioned closely about it; every time she ventures out in public.

Wow, he covered a lot of material there.

Think he's a kos kid?

LOL! "Daily Kos is not a hate site", but he follows up with spittle-flecked hatemongering. I love it!

96 Ginn  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:42:46am

re: #91 Geepers

Ginn (#78),

This is one of my favorites:

Philip
Aug 15th, 2007 at 12:54 am
Lance, why do you post blatant lies? As I am sure you must know by now, Daily Kos is not a hate site, it is a citizen political forum composed of patriotic Americans who despise the lying, smearing, warmongering, bribe-taking, pedophile-protecting, stunningly corrupt, FEMA destroying, New Orleans ignoring, torturing, worldwide gulag running, warrantless domestic eavesdropping, Justice Department politicizing, traitorous, incompetent Republicans, who launched an unprovoked invasion and semi-permanent occupation of Mesopotamia all on the basis of baldfaced WMD lies, that has resulted in the deaths of 3700+ U.S. troops as well as countless thousands of innocent Iraqis.Senator Collins voted to authorize the boneheaded strategic blunder, possibly the greatest mistake in American history. She deserves to be questioned closely about it; every time she ventures out in public.
Wow, he covered a lot of material there.

Think he's a kos kid?

Probably!

Geeps... I've been over at KOS trying to find the diary behind Lance's screenshot. "Zionism was and remains a racist ideology"

And guess what? It's gone! Poof! Disappeared.

I'm shocked! Not. How do we find it, Geepers?

97 Geepers  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:43:58am

Pickle (#88),

Your flash in the pan is fading,

What?!

One of the kiddies at the Desperately Stalking Susan link:

Diaries are blog entries done by registered members of Daily Kos of which there OVER ONE MILLION.

kos has over a million registered users? I'm skeptical.

98 Spiny Norman  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:43:59am

re: #94 kingronjo

how about Kos or one of his acolytes goes to these sites, posts some bilge on it and then go, "OOOOOOOOO, lookie here what we found! Hateful hateful." A form of sock puppetry he can feed to his mindless minions to show them it's OK everyone does it, you are not demented moonbats.

There's a term for that: Moby.

99 Dianna  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:45:17am

I've often said it before, but it bears repeating. If Kos wants to be influential, he is going to have to start moderating his site, and not allow people to publish hateful diaries.

But that would mean working, not just sitting back and collecting the revenue. So it won't happen.

100 Spiny Norman  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:45:23am

re: #97 Geepers

One of the kiddies at the Desperately Stalking Susan link:
Diaries are blog entries done by registered members of Daily Kos of which there OVER ONE MILLION.
kos has over a million registered users? I'm skeptical.

That includes sockpuppets, apparently.

101 looking closely  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:46:57am

re: #77 Geepers

I suppose Charles *could* take the high road, and mostly-to-completely ignore KOS and his gang of lunatics,

looking closely, I'm going to start saying all kinds of really nasty, vile and disgusting things about you.

Feel free to "take the high road".


First of all, this thread isn't about a direct response to an attack by KOS against LGF.

In general, I see your point, but who are you that I (or anyone else) should care what you say about me?

Sometimes its not worth dignifying an attack with a response. That depends on who is making it and what its substance is. Sometimes, if you don't respond, the smear stands, and there is no rebuttal "for the record". Sometimes, just responding gives the claim more attention than its worth. Isn't "Eagles don't chase flies" one of the rotating titles here?

I think its probably worthwhile exposing the worst kind of hatred and racism in KOS, when it surfaces (might be always. . .that I don't know), just to be emblematic of the lunatic left. Its always entertaining to expose hypocrisy, and this particular thread might qualify there.

But my general point is, that it helps both KOS *and* LGF to have alternative websites for the other to attack. LGF would do just fine if it totally ignored KOS.

I personally tend to avoid threads that discuss what's in KOS, or back-and-forth attacks (and I see I'm not the only one). I just don't care about that; I already know how the leftists think.

102 NoSubmission  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:48:19am

I never even heard of Kos until I came here.

103 opnion  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:49:26am

Alright , lets get real. I caught this guy on TV Sunday. If he was not doing this leftie bogging & giving the Left a venue for hate & paranoia, he would be working in the mail room.
He should not go on TV. He is a PR nightmare.

104 Geepers  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:49:59am

Diana (#99),

Kos is all about "Well me and about a million of my friends think it's true, so it is." He's not going to ban anyone but those who disagree with him.

105 Ginn  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:50:39am

GEEPERS!

CHECK THIS OUT!

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

An open letter from KOS to Harold Ford~

It's wild!

106 Geepers  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:51:30am

Ginn (#96),

Maybe the Way Back Machine for that date.

107 Ginn  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:51:36am

From KOS:

Are some individuals here anti-Semites? Sure. I defy you to find any diverse group of 130,000-plus individuals anywhere in the United States that doesn't have some anti-Semitic members. But calling us a blog of anti-Semites based on a handful of bad apples is like calling all Christians bloodthirsty psychopaths because of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, or calling all white men draft dodgers because of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, or calling all Texans idiots because of George W. Bush and Alberto Gonzales. It's fundamental attribution error of a particularly dangerous sort, especially when promoted by the public face of a prominent political organization.

108 formercorpsman  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:52:00am

Everyone does remember this

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

109 Shanimal1918  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:52:05am

I signed up about a month ago for an account at dk and I now have an account. The rules state that you have to wait a day to comment on diaries, and a week to comment on something else. My account has never been allowed to enter a single comment. Obviously that option was disabled when I created the account, probably based on the account name "Nutroot Moonbat'. Is that paranoid or what? Block comments to a user who has never abused the privilege. I wasn't going to be a troll, I really wanted to engage the moonbats in an occasional debate. I'm not liberal enough to go and create a more PC account name, I'd rather not comment there and point out how paranoid they are.

110 Ginn  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:52:44am

Dianna

Hi!

The KOS kids are pissed about KOS "interview with Harold Ford last Sunday!

(lol)

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

111 realwest  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:52:55am

re: #94 kingronjo Please see my #87; Kos in fact (or someone working for Kos) approves everyone who is registered and lets incredibly anti-semitic and even homophobic "diaries" stay up there until ENOUGH people complain about them.
That's why Kos gets those hateful smears.
And he not only - on occasion - hides some of the worst, he tries to totally bury them so no one can read them - that's why Lance and Charles and others use screen captures with Kos. He's just a lying pos.

112 looking closely  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:54:00am

re: #96 Ginn

re: #91 Geepers

Geeps... I've been over at KOS trying to find the diary behind Lance's screenshot. "Zionism was and remains a racist ideology"

And guess what? It's gone! Poof! Disappeared.

I'm shocked! Not. How do we find it, Geepers?

Maybe disappearance of this thread *is* a bit of "moderation" on the part of the Kos-lings.

If you want to dig this up, there is an internet "way back" machine, as well as other net archives one can comb through, though I don't know how effective they are.

113 Ginn  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:54:36am

Sorry, it's an "open letter" from a KOS KID to Harold Ford.

Another "diary" on DailyKOS.

And they are pissed!

114 Geepers  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:55:38am

looking closely (#101),

In general, I see your point, but who are you that I (or anyone else) should care what you say about me?

Well my comment was just an illustration to engender a response.

And your thoughtful and intelligent reply is what makes LGF head and shoulders above the field. Well said.

115 Ginn  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:57:31am

re: #112 looking closely

re: #96 Ginn

re: #91 Geepers

Geeps... I've been over at KOS trying to find the diary behind Lance's screenshot. "Zionism was and remains a racist ideology"

And guess what? It's gone! Poof! Disappeared.

I'm shocked! Not. How do we find it, Geepers?

Maybe disappearance of this thread *is* a bit of "moderation" on the part of the Kos-lings.

If you want to dig this up, there is an internet "way back" machine, as well as other net archives one can comb through, though I don't know how effective they are.

I noticed your post to Geepers a while back about whether the comments that were banned were "editorial" so I think I see where you are coming from.

I think you're trying to state the KOS doesn't engage in "editorial" control of his site so his claims that it's al Free Speech are "in essence" true.

But let's look at it another way. He has his "commentors" who do the banning.

Do you really believe that KOS just set up his site and then let his commentors do whatever, say whatever they want?

116 Ginn  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 10:00:51am

Looking Closely

I think what we're looking at here is this. Just how much "responsibility" does KOS have for the comments and diaries on his site. After all, it is his.

Can you own something, say a building. Then you just open the doors and a bunch of crackheads walk in and take over. Sell crack.

You have no responsibility even though you know it's happening?

117 kingronjo  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 10:09:45am

#116 Ginn

How much responsibility does Kos have for users or diarists. I think for users he (and us) should be cut some slack. Afterall it is a valid point that people can post real quick and save it and say GOTCHA! If it stays up for awhile and the community feeds off or condemns it so there is no way it cant be known to the moderator, then the site owns those views.

As for diarists, that is 100% the site. The moderators vetted these people and approve of them. That is why you should be really careful. For Kos to disavow them is nonsense.

118 Ginn  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 10:15:13am

re: #117 kingronjo

#116 Ginn

How much responsibility does Kos have for users or diarists. I think for users he (and us) should be cut some slack. Afterall it is a valid point that people can post real quick and save it and say GOTCHA! If it stays up for awhile and the community feeds off or condemns it so there is no way it cant be known to the moderator, then the site owns those views.

As for diarists, that is 100% the site. The moderators vetted these people and approve of them. That is why you should be really careful. For Kos to disavow them is nonsense.

Okay, gotcha. You're right. The "diarists" are what I was referring to anyway.

119 Sura 109  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 10:15:43am

re: #117 kingronjo

What is meant by "diarists" at Daily Kos is the set of links down the right side of the page. There is no distinction between users and diarists; any registered user may post up to one diary per day.

The people who are vetted are the ones who post to the front page. That's a small elite circle, of which AFAIK Kos himself is the only permanent member.

120 xgaijin  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 10:19:18am

This may be old, but I heard Chris Plante of WMAL (in DC) use the term "The Daily Kod-Piece." This has my vote for best parody name.

121 Geepers  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 10:21:37am

Comments from the Anti-Semitism on Daily Kos? -- An Open Letter to Harold Ford thread:

Either AIPAC or Lieberman gave Ford his anti-DKos "jewish" talking point.

(16+ / 0-)
Recommended by:splashy, Sargent Pepper, poemworld, Brecht, sap, kuvasz, eaglecries, el zilcho, Blue Generalist, elliott, Hobbitfoot, StrayCat, xaxado, brentmack, Terra Mystica, Ferrofluid

This gets a +16 rating.

Lieberman wants to frame as "anti-semitic" all the legitimate political hate that the progressive blogosphere has for him, while I suspect that AIPAC has problems with any blogs that allow a free & open discussion about Israeli human rights violations.

I suspect that Lieberman & O'Reilly deliberated quite a bit before O'Reilly started trying to frame this site as being a nazi hate site.

I suspect that paid Lieberman goons will try to infiltrate this site and cause a ruckus here, just like how paid Lieberman goons infiltrated Lamont campaign events like brown shirts and caused fights (one reporter even got a bloody nose.)

Be vigilant.

But we're not anti-Semites or haters.

As for AIPAC, they are an association of radical extremist zionist fanatics who worship Cheney like a god and who conspire & deceive to make Israel's enemies America's enemies.

If you want to defend AIPAC, then you are in the wrong blog.

Free speech for everyone!

I am referring to the brown-shirt-like physical thuggery style of Lieberman's goons, so cool your jets and stop seeing an anti-semite under every bed, ok?

And these were NOT "Lieberman supporters". They were dick-headed college frat boy jock head hard-ons looking for some free booze and some easy money and some free violence.

Feel the love.

You want vile? AIPAC is vile!

AIPAC and Lieberman are vile. There are vile Jews, and decent Jews. Lieberman is a vile Jew. AIPAC is a vile organization.

You won't find a more pro-Israel poster on here, but I try to keep reality in the equation. AIPAC could turn me into an anti-Semite.

I suspect you already are one.

And the hate filled ranting goes on and on.

This in a thread that is supposedly a "reponse" to Harold Ford to refure their Jew hatred. Think they see the irony?

122 Highrise  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 10:31:17am

When it comes down to responsibility, if one has a delete key on a blog, one does have SOME responsibility. I have never owned a blog but have run moderator/owner duties of several boards before.

I was part of an online community at one time and a death threat was made on it. Let's just say, the FBI showed up at the door of the moderator/owner of the online board and things changed bigtime after that.

It is one thing to say ..the posters' views don't represent the blogger's views, it's completely ANOTHER to say the bloggers don't bare responsibility that they are left up.

People like to decry free speech, but that has nothing to do with being able to post what you want. People are really misled on what actual free speech means when they use that argument.

In the case of most very busy blogs, some hateful comments do get by and probably aren't noticed, such as jihadwatch. But when you have someone like kos which has SO much of it on there, it gets into condoning land.

Charles runs LGF pretty well and it is why I was attracted to this blog above all the other busy blogs I could have been reading. He has standards and he makes sure they are known...absolutely NOTHING wrong with that and I wish kos owner would get a clue..but he's a moonbat after all.

123 Winslow Leach, the composer  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 10:33:14am

I Am Kosling

I am Kosling, hear me rave;
I just know that I’m so brave,
So enlightened, so progressive, so aware.
And I hate my Mom and Dad;
They just make me really mad,
And they treat me like a kid - it's so unfair!

I am Kosling, hear me cry;
Sometimes I just want to die,
’Cause reality will not conform to me.
And if I don't get my way,
I'll make everybody pay;
I'll throw tantrums night and day - just wait and see!

I am Kosling, hear me wail;
Hear me rant and hear me rail,
And my feelings are so strong I must be right.
And I hate the USA,
So I’ll make it go away,
’Cause I’ll scream and keep my eyes shut really tight!

124 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 10:34:20am

re: #121 Geepers

AIPAC and Lieberman are vile. There are vile Jews, and decent Jews. Lieberman is a vile Jew. AIPAC is a vile organization.

Got to give the KKKos kids one thing. They are equal opportunity faith haters. I used to think the KKKos wrath reserved for the "conservative" Christian community but the Lieberman fiasco convinced me otherwise.

If Lierberman would simply privatize his faith and corresponding principles and worship at the altar of gov't liberalism, everything would be okay. Why, Joe would be one of the gang.

125 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 10:38:39am

re: #123 Winslow Leach, the composer

Very nice! Where's Helen Reddy when you need her? Oh, her she is...

I AM WOMAN, HERE ME ROAR...

126 Geepers  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 10:41:14am

Winslow Leach, the composer (#123),

Well done. Good references.

And luck with your order yet?

127 Geepers  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 10:47:41am

goodbye_natalie (#124),

Not "He's a crappy politician" but rather "He's a vile Jew."

Pretty much sums up the kos kids "We're not anti-Semites" debate.

128 Winslow Leach, the composer  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 10:51:18am

#125 goodbye_natalie
#126 Geepers

Don't miss the companion piece!

Geepers: Still waiting, will let you know.

129 Ginn  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 10:56:49am

re: #121 Geepers

Comments from the Anti-Semitism on Daily Kos? -- An Open Letter to Harold Ford thread:

Either AIPAC or Lieberman gave Ford his anti-DKos "jewish" talking point.(16+ / 0-)
Recommended by:splashy, Sargent Pepper, poemworld, Brecht, sap, kuvasz, eaglecries, el zilcho, Blue Generalist, elliott, Hobbitfoot, StrayCat, xaxado, brentmack, Terra Mystica, Ferrofluid
This gets a +16 rating.
Lieberman wants to frame as "anti-semitic" all the legitimate political hate that the progressive blogosphere has for him, while I suspect that AIPAC has problems with any blogs that allow a free & open discussion about Israeli human rights violations.

I suspect that Lieberman & O'Reilly deliberated quite a bit before O'Reilly started trying to frame this site as being a nazi hate site.

I suspect that paid Lieberman goons will try to infiltrate this site and cause a ruckus here, just like how paid Lieberman goons infiltrated Lamont campaign events like brown shirts and caused fights (one reporter even got a bloody nose.)

Be vigilant.

But we're not anti-Semites or haters.
As for AIPAC, they are an association of radical extremist zionist fanatics who worship Cheney like a god and who conspire & deceive to make Israel's enemies America's enemies.If you want to defend AIPAC, then you are in the wrong blog.
Free speech for everyone!
I am referring to the brown-shirt-like physical thuggery style of Lieberman's goons, so cool your jets and stop seeing an anti-semite under every bed, ok?And these were NOT "Lieberman supporters". They were dick-headed college frat boy jock head hard-ons looking for some free booze and some easy money and some free violence.
Feel the love.
You want vile? AIPAC is vile!AIPAC and Lieberman are vile. There are vile Jews, and decent Jews. Lieberman is a vile Jew. AIPAC is a vile organization.

You won't find a more pro-Israel poster on here, but I try to keep reality in the equation. AIPAC could turn me into an anti-Semite.

I suspect you already are one.

And the hate filled ranting goes on and on.

This in a thread that is supposedly a "reponse" to Harold Ford to refure their Jew hatred. Think they see the irony?

I wish Charles would thread this.

130 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 11:01:51am
Kos wants it both ways; he wants to claim this huge army of readers when it makes him look powerful, but disavow them when they embarrass him.

I believe that's called hypocrisy.

As for the diary- I'm still not sure what to make of John Hagee myself, but this diarist makes some rather wild and sweeping assumptions. And it's interesting that for the koslings to have an instance of anti-anti-Semitism they have to smear a Jew to do it.

131 Hard Right  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 12:23:13pm

Koslim mode:

Those hateful anti-Jew comments are from rethuglican sock puppets. Everyone knows that progressives belch perfume and fart sunlight as they are so pure, loving, and tolerant.
Koslim mode off.

Leftist rule #1, if you can't ignore reality create your own.

132 Arbalest  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 12:36:54pm

I notice that a usual formula for “diarists” posting at Kos is to provide some sort of narrative of real events (a curiously brief narrative, as though many things are missing), provide not-well-sourced quotes, change topics a bit, then conclude.

Here’s an example:
Jews Evicted, Millions Branded Subhuman At Lieberman Endorsed Event” by Troutfishing

TF seems to be focussing on one John Hagee, pastor of the San Antonio Cornerstone Baptist Church, for anti-Jewish statements, and attributes several.

How about a link or two, and from at least somewhat-credible sources, like the AP or Reuters?

Pardon my doubting of TF’s diary, but the only quote he provides is this (provided with its context, for context):

CUFI 2007 was a festival of hate - overtly trained on Arabs and Muslims, covertly trained on Jews. Bestowing their blessings, and prostrating themselves before the architects of that hatred, were US Senators Joe Lieberman and John McCain. First, some overt hatred:

"The difference, my friends, between Israel and the Arab world is the difference between civilization and barbarism. It's the difference between good and evil [applause].... this is what we're witnessing in the Arabic world, They have no SOUL !, they are dead set on killing and destruction. And in the name of something they call "Allah" which is very different from the God we believe....[applause] because our God is the God of love." - Bridgette Gabriel, CUFI 2007

With a few quick rhetorical strokes, CUFI speaker Bridgette Gabriel had stripped the soul from Muslims across the whole Middle East, casting them as collectively subhuman.”

For additional context and comparison, review (at LGF):

Video: Muslim Brotherhood Leader Prohibits Vaccination of Children

Hamas Child Star: 'Every Palestinian Hopes to Be a Martyr'

TF seams to be selectively deaf, and / or not capable of understanding Modern Conversational English, as spoken by adults.

The video clips seem to clearly show the attitude of Muslim culture, and these clips are not singularities.

Bridgette Gabriel’s words are doubtfully hate speech; they fit the video clips.

But perhaps TF can post a reasoned concise argument (not simply a number of assertions) for his claims.

The 9minutes of the provided “Max Blumenthal's short film, on his CUFI experience” looks like a 3rd grader’s attempt to prove a point for which he has no evidence. Max narrates good setup-lines, then tries and tries to make things happen his way, and fails again and again.

No one follows his script.

How long was he there? He provides a total of 9 minutes of EDITED clips, many of which seem to actually be out-takes from long interviews (perhaps 10 minutes of friendly conversation each?).

Mr. Blumenthal and Company do seem to be asked to leave, as there seems to be, by Mr. Blumenthal's words, tone of voice, and VIDEO, NO PHYSICAL CONTACT.

But this action seems extremely late in the event, he’s struck out many times, and actually seems bored.

Does Max have video of contact by security during the Pastor’s speech?

If any of Mr. Blumenthal's assertions are correct, he has, so far, failed to prove any of them.

Perhaps a title correction is in order:

Jews Evicted Agent Provocateurs Bored, Finally Find Invitation to Leave, Millions Branded Subhuman Questioned about Cultural Value of Their Children At Lieberman Endorsed Event".

Next time, try not to use video with actors who look bored.

133 amused  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 12:48:50pm

One downside to this mudfling is that advertisers may be less willing to have their ads even shown on blogs. Here's an article about TribalFusion pulling their ads from forums:

[Link: www.earnersforum.com...]

That article seems to refer mainly to vBulletin type forums, but the same concern would apply. And, given the quickly rising rate of ad dollars leaving MSM and going onto the intertubes, it's to O'Reilly and company's benefit to trash blogs in general. I notice that Malkin doesn't have open forums, so her sites aren't affected as she goads O'Reilly on. It might be satisfying in the short run to have this little pissing contest, but the folks with the ad dollars would be justified in just walking away from the blogs.

134 Geepers  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 1:03:05pm

Arbalest (#132),

Thanks for the post.

The Lefty's love trying to defend their own indefensible actions by making claims that somebody else did something bad too.

135 Rogue198  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 1:09:19pm

re: #73 Axiom

Is this "Arthur Frain" even a supporter of Susan Collins?

When you search for this name on Google you find a whole heck of a lot of comments made to Crooks and Liars, blogs from Time columnists, but nearly zero comments posted to right of center blogs.

One wonders if Arthur Frain is Mr. Zuniga.

CLOSE!

Arthur Frain is a lefty troll though!

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

136 Arbalest  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 1:09:20pm

#134 Geepers

Thanks for the vote.

With apologies to a certain American Patriot. “I regret that I have but 4096 characters with which to express an opinion”, and that links usually take up quite few more characters than expected. I have to do excessively severe editing and much gets deleted.

137 Geepers  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 1:24:55pm

Rogue198 (#135),

You beat me to it.

Charles, this deserves an update:

Take a step back from that for a second. According to Moulitsas, a comment on a site that Susan Collins does not own or operate is somehow representative of her. ... That’s ridiculous enough on its own. Things go further into hah-hah land when you realize that “Arthur Frain” is actually a left-wing troll, as revealed by Maine Web Report blogger and NB contributor Lance Dutson.

In other words, Moulitsas is blaming Collins for a comment on a site she doesn’t own written by a person who is a left-wing Democrat.

That conclusion becomes even more probable when you consider that “Arthur Frain” seems to pop up all over the place on liberal blogs making obscene, left-wing comments. Kos could easily have verified this by spending a few minutes in Google. He opted instead to play fast and loose with the facts.

Lame, lame, lame.

138 Rogue198  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 1:30:00pm

re: #137 Geepers

I read through all 135 comments just to make sure it hadn't already been posted... ;)

139 Geepers  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 1:35:16pm

Arbalest (#136),

I enjoy the funny one liners, but I really appreciate those that do the yeoman's job and post the results of their work.

Again, thanks.

140 Geepers  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 1:40:38pm

Rogue198 (#138),

You mean you didn't go through all the comments to read my wonderful posts? I'm hurt. ;-)

The "show links" function is handy for checking to see if someone's already posted.

141 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 1:51:04pm

re: #132 Arbalest

Morons.

There is no way in HELL Hagee made any anti Jewish statements.

Hagee is the founder of Christians United for Israel and happens to be one of the biggest Christian Zionists on the planet

Whoever is posting that is a fucking LIAR
and a fool, there are plenty of so called Christian pastors that they could hang that charge on.

Hagee is NOT one of them.


this is why there are no links

142 Geepers  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 2:00:12pm

BabbaZee (#141),

Not to mention a powerful and dynamic speaker who doesn't pull his punches.

Pastor John Hagee - Christians for Israel

143 Ma Sands  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 2:10:48pm

I am so glad we've got Charles @ his Little Green Footballs blog, to keep the news straight....and also, that his Lizard army bulwarks the untangling process of fact checking.......what a great necessity, a need, being filled, in this world, today!

Not least of all, it all helps keep my stomach untangled --I cannot bear to see untruth put out as truth, and be unable to "get at" the un-truth-tellers...... :) Thank you Charles, from the bottom of my heart (which, by the way, does go far deeper than said stomach. :)

144 Jakester  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 4:48:58pm

If Kos is a hate site, then this one is too. I can't bear such hypocrisy from anyone. Bill O'Reilly is a moronic bigmouth who cooks up garbage like the War on Xmas.

145 Jakester  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 5:07:01pm

Sounds like more LGF BS, upon reading the link, Kos makes it clear that this was only a poster, not the Senator. He is just doing a reverse O"Reilly on her.

Kos's Quote: "Yeah, this is a ridiculous game, but if they insist on playing it..."

The point Kos is making that it is wrong to judge a blog by a few random comments. Charles knows this but why let truth get in the way of his dishonest juvenile web games Obviously Charles puts ideology ahead of truth!

146 Arbalest  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 8:17:34pm

“If Kos is a hate site, then this one is too. I can't bear such hypocrisy from anyone.”

Click on the link Kos provides in his words: “Under the Collins campaign's own rules”.

It points to someone (and suggests that he is from Kos? MoveOn? Other?) who, from the photographic evidence, seems to be trying to intimidate Senator Collins.

Does Kos know the person in question? If so, has he identified this person to the police?

Has Kos called on Tom Allen and associates to make a full report and disclsure to the police?

In any event, where is Kos’ posted condemnation of such actions?


Sounds like more LGF BS, upon reading the link, Kos makes it clear that this was only a poster, not the Senator. He is just doing a reverse O"Reilly on her.

Kos's Quote: "Yeah, this is a ridiculous game, but if they insist on playing it..."

First, click this link: mainewebreport.com/2007/08/14/desperately-stalking -susan/.

This is the wrong game to play.

Next, the correct relevant quote of the post written by Kos himself is:

So since the Maine Web Report is run by Collins' director of online communications, we can say this comment essentially came out of Susan Collins' mouth:”

Arthur Frain, Portland ME
Aug 14th, 2007 at 7:58 pm
You know what this country needs? Another terrorist attack. Take out SF or some other city full of dirty libs, and then the country will rally behind the GOP for protection.

Yeah, this is a ridiculous game, but if they insist on playing it...”

“(And yeah, I've got a screenshot for when they try to delete it and pretend it was never posted.)”

Kos himself, by his own posting, is trying to assign the words of one Arthur Frain to Senator Susan Collins.

This is clear from reading his posting, and it is intellectually dishonest.

(And yeah, I've got a screenshot too).


The point Kos is making that it is wrong to judge a blog by a few random comments. “

If this is Kos’ intent, then he would have written these words himself. Link?

But Kos is judged by his writings, the writings of his diarists (who are apparently given access to the Daily Kos website to post as diarists, not just comments as the rest of us rabble) and the comments (how many are deleted?).

The diaries and comments at Kos point to “hate site”.

The number of diaries at Kos that quickly disappear without explanation (let alone denunciation) after being publicly labeled as “hate” (of one form or another) support this label of DailyKos a “hate site” as being earned and accurate.

147 Ma Sands  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 8:40:18pm

re: #146 Arbalest

Very well done rebuttal to Mr. Jakester.

148 Arbalest  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 8:57:24pm

#147 Ma Sands

Thanks for the vote.

At what point do threads become locked? I figured that I was expected to reply, but would not have known to do so had I not checked this thread. It would be nice to be able to lock threads at some reasonable time, so that the wait for responses does not go on for days.

149 Ma Sands  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:09:02pm

re: #148 Arbalest

:) I knew, once....back last Nov., when we were so desperately trying to raise a response from Hazan, on the same thread he had posted that deathly comment.............but, I have forgotten --I'll try to dig up the memory, and post it here if I can.....sorry.... :)

150 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:22:21pm

Jakester, fuck off loser. Go post somewhere else, you ignorant dolt.

151 Ma Sands  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:30:26pm

re: #149 Arbalest

It appears to be six days..... :) .....but, you are never expected to reply --that is entirely dependent on your desire in the matter.....but I do thank you --I am honored that you deemed my comment worthy of that deference. :)

152 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:34:42pm

More great stuff from Rev. Hagee about Christians and Jews uniting to defeat the islamo-fascists. It's almost 50 minutes, but well worth listening to, IMHO. FYI you can listen while perusing LGF...
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5

153 BabbaZee  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 4:17:32am

pm PDT

Yes!


#152 Bob in Breckenridge

I was going to post those, I have them permanently linked at my blog, thanks for doing it

154 BabbaZee  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 4:17:53am

The YES was to Geepers.

oy.

155 Geepers  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 6:34:58am

Arbalest (#148),

Back before LGF ran like a out of control freight train debates went on for days at a time. I liked that. Used to give you a chance to cogitate and reflect. And back in the day, threads never became "locked". Charles instigated that because trolls had a habit of showing up on threads weeks after the debate ended to drop crap comments as "rebuttal". Of course Lizards are a tenacious bunch and we'd check the "most recent comments" menu and stop back to slam them; like you did. I saw ole Jakester's comments last night but blew him off, he's got quite a history here as a hysteric reactionary and Bush hater, and like most people that suffer from BDS they soon enough redirect their hatred toward anyone that doesn't join the chorus.

I do love the "that's not what he meant" argument. Like you said, if what was claimed to be "what he meant" why didn't Markos say that.

Once again, good job, good post.

156 Geepers  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 6:41:53am

BabbaZee,

Fear the feetballs!

157 Arbalest  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 12:17:58pm

Ma Sands & Geepers

Thanks for the votes and clarification. When activity on a thread dies down, comments sometimes become conversation, and I can never tell if or when this happens.

158 Jakester  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 2:11:59pm

Arbalest,
your sophisty might imoress the simple minded fanatics here, but if you want to label Kos a hate site, then you are a hypocrite who just wants to shut soemone else down. Lot's of people have called LGF a hate site, you cheezy hypocrite! So don't throw stones at your neighbors
and Bob B.
exactly the sort of comment and insult I would expect of a totallly stupid bully, obviously your brain is too tiny to formulate an intelligent response! You seem like the prototype Bush lover!

159 Arbalest  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 3:11:12pm

#158 Jakester

Arbalest,
your sophisty might imoress the simple minded fanatics here, but . . .

Links, analysis, anything?

Simple denials and name-calling may (and seems to) work at Kos; here, not so well.


“. . .but if you want to label Kos a hate site, then you are a hypocrite who just wants to shut soemone else down.

First: Links, analysis, anything?

Second: By your own post, you are trying to do exactly that to which you object. There’s a word for this: Hyp_ _ _ _ _ _


Lot's of people have called LGF a hate site, you cheezy hypocrite! So don't throw stones at your neighbors

Again; Links, analysis, anything?

Finally: The Left seems to get busted, with increasing regularity, distorting the truth, hiding critical facts, and outright lying. Simply because the Left call ANY site a “hate site” is not enough to believe them. It might be reason to check the site, though.

160 Ma Sands  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 7:50:08pm

re: #158 Jakester

Holy catfish baloney balls! Do you truly think incendiary rudeness is the way to go?
Reminds me of a ping pong game I played some years ago. My opponent lobbed each ball back, slow and easy. No way to beat him.....trying to hit the outer edges to make him stretch or hurry just made me go out of bounds. :)


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