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Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 7:52:57 am PDT

The New York Police Department’s report on the radicalization of US Muslims has enraged the Saudi-funded unindicted co-conspirators calling themselves the Council on American Islamic Relations; they’d prefer that no one ever investigate these matters: CAIR: NYPD Terror Report Casts Suspicion on All U.S. Muslims.

WASHINGTON, Aug. 15 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — The Council on American- Islamic Relations (CAIR) said today that a new NYPD report on “radicalization” may result in all U.S. Muslims being viewed with suspicion.

CAIR says the 90-page report purports to outline a four-step process of radicalization, but in fact describes ordinary activities, associations and behaviors as indicators of a potential terror threat.

In a statement, CAIR Board Chairman Parvez Ahmed said:

“Whatever one thinks of the analysis contained in the report, its sweeping generalizations and mixing of unrelated elements may serve to cast a pall of suspicion over the entire American Muslim community.

“The report lists sites that are likely to be visited by any American Muslim as radicalization ‘incubators.’ The sites listed include mosques, cafes, cab driver hangouts, student associations, nongovernmental organizations, butcher shops, and bookstores.

“Despite raising suspicions against ordinary Muslims and the places they visit, the report itself states: ‘There is no useful profile to assist law enforcement or intelligence to predict who will follow this trajectory of radicalization. Rather, the individuals who take this course begin as ‘unremarkable’ from various walks of life.’

“So while labeling almost every American Muslim as a potential terrorist, the report’s authors admit that their findings offer no useful way to identify real terror suspects.

“The report also claims that signs of radicalization include positive changes in personal behavior such as giving up smoking, drinking and gambling. It also makes similar claims about those who wear Islamic attire or a religiously-recommended beard.

“Is Islamic attire or giving up bad habits, which is something recommended by leaders of all faiths, now to be regarded as suspicious behavior?”

Also getting into the act: the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, who are calling the NYPD “un-American:”

Kareem Shora, legal adviser for the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, called the findings faulty and inflammatory.

“The report is at odds with federal law enforcement findings, including those of the recently released National Intelligence Estimate, and uses unfortunate stereotyping of entire communities,” Shora said in a statement. “The use of such language by the NYPD is un-American and goes against everything for which we stand.”

Here's the full report in PDF form.

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1 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 7:54:30am

How can the NYPD be un-American? They have their own separate muslim group.

2 bucephalas  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 7:54:37am

Sounds like someone has something to hide...

3 The Jinxmedic  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 7:56:21am

Sounds like FDNY should sit back and say, "let's fan these flames a bit and see what happens..."

4 BabbaZee  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 7:56:34am
5 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 7:57:24am

Go back to sleep...9/11 was all a dream...zzz...

6 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 7:57:29am

Well maybe it OUGHT to cast suspicion on all US Muslims.

7 trailortrash  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 7:57:43am

omg someone turned on a light...

8 Buck  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 7:58:09am
...signs of radicalization include positive changes in personal behavior such as giving up smoking, drinking and gambling. It also makes similar claims about those who wear Islamic attire or a religiously-recommended beard.

Add to that an extreme hatred for Zionists, and Israel, and BINGO!

9 vmi84  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 7:58:40am

Sound like the truth hurts.

10 NoSubmission  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 7:58:43am

Charles,
that link to the report on the NYSlimes blog doesn't work for me. Anyone else?

11 saberry0530  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 7:58:51am

IF THE FLU SHITZ? Or is it if the shoe fits. Never been 100% sure either way.

12 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 7:59:05am

Report: UNSC to reject Israeli request to expand UNIFIL role

Israel wants more 'proactive' role for peacekeepers in Lebanon against Hizbullah; Security Council cites safety concerns for personnel.

*blank stare*

13 mondoreb  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 7:59:06am

Just another public service announcement from the good folks at CAIR.

14 bulwrk  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 7:59:40am

Me thinks thou does protest to much.

15 Yanqui in Europe  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 7:59:43am
“Is Islamic attire [...], which is something recommended by leaders of all faiths, now to be regarded as suspicious behavior?”

Islamic attire is recommended by leaders of all faiths.

16 c550  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:00:22am

Can we expect a fatwa from cair any minute now?

17 pegcity  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:00:27am

Islam is radical period, the only muslims who are not radicals are the ones not following the true tenents of islam

18 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:00:48am

re: #10 NoSubmission

Same here.

19 trailortrash  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:01:08am

re: #17 pegcity

Islam is radical period, the only muslims who are not radicals are the ones not following the true tenents of islam

wish the rest of the world would grasp this one little detail...

20 CanadianBacon  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:01:14am
“The report is at odds with federal law enforcement findings, including those of the recently released National Intelligence Estimate, and uses unfortunate stereotyping of entire communities,” Shora said in a statement.

Stereotyping? As in assuming that Islamists all over the world are the ones responsible for terrorism wherever it occurs?

Of course, all that violence could be due to the Church of LDS and it's rabid followers.

...or Bush, of course.

21 MrMom  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:01:20am
“Whatever one thinks of the analysis contained in the report, its sweeping generalizations and mixing of unrelated elements may serve to cast a pall of suspicion over the entire American Muslim community

.

Read the koran to SEE WHY!

/sheeesh

22 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:01:46am

I hope we're not gonna see a NewYorkistan. Geez, this mohammeians are like termites. They tear the whole place down starting at the foundation.

23 mondoreb  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:02:09am

I think Muslim immigration to the US should be curtailed sharply until the borders are secured and we have a better idea who is mingling amongst the great masses of Americans.

Of course, it's probably gonna take a few more 911-type incidents for this to take place. And of course, the MSM will take great pains not to report the names of the criminals when they're tracked down.

Wouldn't want to add any fuel on our racist tendencies.

24 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:02:33am
CAIR says the 90-page report purports to outline a four-step process of radicalization, but in fact describes ordinary activities, associations and behaviors

Exactly. See, that's the problem, CAIR.

25 NoSubmission  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:02:48am

re: #22 baconeatingkaffir

I hope we're not gonna see a NewYorkistan. Geez, this mohammeians are like termites. They tear the whole place down starting at the foundation.

Over my dead body.

26 bulwrk  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:03:13am

cab driver hangouts


Love that

27 pegcity[deleted]  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:03:30am
28 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:03:36am

More from the local news last night, with a video...

29 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:03:49am
“The report lists sites that are likely to be visited by any American Muslim as radicalization ‘incubators.’ The sites listed include mosques, cafes, cab driver hangouts, student associations, nongovernmental organizations, butcher shops, and bookstores.

And bakeries. Don't forget bakeries.

30 Spider Mensch  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:03:56am

yes, lets ignore any young middle eastern looking men wearing overcoats on sunny 90+ degree days. they just don't want to risk skin cancer. move along people...

31 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:04:28am

re: #25 NoSubmission

Over my dead body.

Same here.

32 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:04:49am
CAIR says the 90-page report purports to outline a four-step process of radicalization, but in fact describes ordinary activities, associations and behaviors as indicators of a potential terror threat.

Behaviors like calling Jews "the sons of apes and pigs", calling for a worldwide caliphate, calling for jihad, instructing people in firing automatic weapons at remote training camps, surveiling potential terror targets, building bombs, etc.? They make think that's normal, but I call it suspicious.

This press release practically fisks itself.

33 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:04:54am

re: #12 Ben Hur

Report: UNSC to reject Israeli request to expand UNIFIL role

Israel wants more 'proactive' role for peacekeepers in Lebanon against Hizbullah; Security Council cites safety concerns for personnel.

*blank stare*

Already blogged it (and Captain Ed's post about it) here.

34 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:05:18am

Semi OT:
CAIR Files Amicus Brief in Texas Muslim Charity Trial

Listing of 300 Muslim individuals, institutions called ‘unconstitutional’

In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful
...
“The Fifth Amendment was violated because the public naming of the unindicted co-conspirators damaged their reputation, good name, and economic well-being, without offering a forum for vindication, and without a legitimate governmental reason for doing so. The First Amendment was violated because the governmental action of publicly naming the unindicted co-conspirators chilled the expressive associational activities of the unindicted co-conspirators and the government does not have a substantially related compelling interest for their action. . .

So after support the terror funding charity for years and defending them after they've been caught CAIR wants to jump ship and have nothing to do with them. I suspect they realize the trial isn't going to end well.

35 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:05:23am

re: #10 NoSubmission

Didn't work for me either, but I went to the NY Times home page and searched for NYPD terror report and got to the story.

36 NoSubmission  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:05:30am
37 mondoreb  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:05:45am

CAIR's "BACKLASH" rants always seem to be simulcast with the reports they're ranting against.

Coincidence?

38 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:05:51am

It must be news to the NYPD, at the forefront of integration & sensitivity to other cultures for decades, that they are now "un-American." I would also like to see a list of all those non-muslim "religious authorities" who recommend "islamic attire."

39 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:05:55am

re: #8 Buck

...signs of radicalization include positive changes in personal behavior such as giving up smoking, drinking and gambling. It also makes similar claims about those who wear Islamic attire or a religiously-recommended beard.

Add to that an extreme hatred for Zionists, and Israel, and BINGO!

They start playing BINGO?

/no, not that!

40 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:06:25am

re: #39 Ward Cleaver

re: #8 Buck


...signs of radicalization include positive changes in personal behavior such as giving up smoking, drinking and gambling. It also makes similar claims about those who wear Islamic attire or a religiously-recommended beard.

Add to that an extreme hatred for Zionists, and Israel, and BINGO!

They start playing BINGO?

/no, not that!

Or they hate bingo? Now that's un-American.

41 Geepers  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:06:39am
And bakeries. Don't forget bakeries.

New legal troubles for Your Black Muslim Bakery chief

Black Muslim Bakery Head In Real Estate Scam

42 Hard Right  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:07:22am

Here come the lights. Run cockroaches, run!

43 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:08:12am

re: #36 NoSubmission

Check your mail.

See this?

[Link: wcbstv.com...]

I sent you a pic of another one that I saw that says:

"Your closet's scarier than Bush's agenda." Subway, 68th and Lex

44 pegcity  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:08:17am
CAIR: NYPD Terror Report Casts Suspicion on All U.S. Muslims.

To me this headline is something akin to a 1933 report casting suspicion on all Nazi sympathizing americans.

45 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:08:53am

re: #10 NoSubmission

Linky now worky!

46 Killian Bundy  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:08:55am
The Council on American- Islamic Relations (CAIR) said today that a new NYPD report on “radicalization” may result in all U.S. Muslims being viewed with suspicion.

/what's wrong with that, I'd like to know . . .

47 Egfrow  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:09:02am

No Words!

Video: Hurt

48 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:09:47am

re: #41 Geepers

Bet they can't make a decent bagel.

49 mondoreb  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:09:48am

And they're worried about the "profiling of young, Muslim men"? I can live with that.

50 pegcity  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:10:05am

I think a parrot with a vocublary of 1 word is actually the head of CAIR it just squacks

"Backlash" "Backlash"
51 Golem Akbar  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:10:13am

Calling all "moderate Muslims" to protest radical extremist Islam! [crickets]

52 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:10:18am
53 LC LaWedgie  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:10:23am
"Clearly, the work we do at ADC has changed both in the way ADC operates and in the way ADC approaches challenges. The priorities have definitely changed and directly as a result of September 11," said Shora, 31.

"The most striking change is the way the organization has matured. Obviously Sept. 11 has had a lot to do with that change. But it has matured in the way it addresses the challenges and the way it works with other organizations. The effectiveness and impact of the organization has improved tremendously. And the challenges we address have increased measurably."

"On Sept. 12, we were in a completely different world. The project was dropped. And our immediate concern shifted to a new priority. What do we tell our community. What do we tell them so they can better prepare for what was becoming an enormous backlash against them? We knew the backlash was coming. How do we help prepare them? People were being harassed and we needed to make sure that the community knew how to protect itself."

/Aw, shuckiin' up, they jus' wannbe good ol' boyz.

54 Jack Reacher  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:10:31am

re: #24 Occasional Reader
Beat me to it; their ordinary activities include radicalization.

55 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:10:41am

Sort of like the gas station scene in "The Jerk"

So, any young middle eastern type walking down the street carrying a gas cylinder.. I figure that would be him.

56 bulwrk  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:10:48am

re: #43 Ben Hur

Who the f**k thought that was a good idea?

57 SpartanWoman  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:11:32am

Pretecting yourself from dangerous free radicals (Islamic) is somehow un-American?

They really try to use our terminology to kill us, don't they?

58 NoSubmission  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:11:35am

re: #43 Ben Hur
Sh!t! No, I hadn't seen that one yet. Holy cow.
I did see the anti-Bush/Cheney ones for the last few months. This city is nuts.

59 Pickle  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:11:46am

Un-American is allowing these enemy infiltrators to run free and continue damaging America.

60 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:11:56am

American Muslim Law Enforcement Officers Association

Det. Faisal Khan of Pace University koran fame was nominated for the board. cair and the aaadc can't tell me NYPD is "racist".

61 mom's no dhimmi  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:12:14am

I see CAIR's lips moving, but all I hear is "QUACK! QUACK, QUACK, QUACK!"

62 Golem Akbar  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:12:27am

We need someone, some group to countersue CAIR. You know, depose their financial records. That sort of thing. Let's see where their funding really comes from and who they actually support. [talk about turning on a light and watching the cockroaches scamper away]

63 mondoreb  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:12:33am

re: #50 pegcity


I think a parrot with a vocublary of 1 word is actually the head of CAIR it just squacks

"Backlash" "Backlash"

The CAIR parrot...you might be able to sell that as a trademark!

64 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:13:15am

re: #49 mondoreb

And they're worried about the "profiling of young, Muslim men"? I can live with that.

I have to tell you, I think profiling on the basis of sex is dead wrong. You ever hear of the black widow? Refresh your memory of what some of those hags in bags up in Canada have to say about marrying only jihadis, take a gander at those "palestian" female bombers and bombers-to-be. Or the "women" in the Moscow theater siege.

65 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:13:31am

re: #56 bulwrk


New Yorkers who weren't killed on 9/11.

66 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:13:38am

#34 Killgore Trout

The First Amendment was violated because the governmental action of publicly naming the unindicted co-conspirators chilled the expressive associational activities of the unindicted co-conspirators and the government does not have a substantially related compelling interest for their action. . .

Now they're under a microsocpe, so they have to be more careful about destroying America.

67 Geepers  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:13:39am

NY Nana (#48),

Bet they can't make a decent bagel.

LOL.

"This is no respect to our community. Where is the respect?"

Hat tip: WriterMom.

68 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:13:41am

re: #47 Egfrow

Awful

69 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:14:09am

This is interesting; compare the yahoo press release to the press release on CAIR's website. the are identicle with one exception. The release on Cair's website leads with " In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful". Why do they leave it out in public statements? Perhaps the phrase is just too ironic.

70 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:14:23am

Photos from Ground Zero. There's a reason that we've got to be focused on Islamic terrorists, whether they're al Qaeda infiltrating into the US or homegrown jihadis who have decided that they can't deal with assimilation or western civilization and decide to throw their lot in with the Islamists and seek to kill Americans because they're compelled to do so.

71 wargammer2005  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:14:28am

islam is un-american

72 mondoreb  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:14:36am

re: #62 Golem Akbar

We need someone, some group to countersue CAIR. You know, depose their financial records. That sort of thing. Let's see where their funding really comes from and who they actually support. [talk about turning on a light and watching the cockroaches scamper away]

Actually, several of the individuals that CAIR has sued have had the suits terminated quickly because CAIR runs for the hills in the discovery phase.

73 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:15:09am

re: #64 galloping granny

re: #49 mondoreb


And they're worried about the "profiling of young, Muslim men"? I can live with that.

I have to tell you, I think profiling on the basis of sex is dead wrong. You ever hear of the black widow? Refresh your memory of what some of those hags in bags up in Canada have to say about marrying only jihadis, take a gander at those "palestian" female bombers and bombers-to-be. Or the "women" in the Moscow theater siege.

Granny, here in Turkey, they call the hefty-bag wearing BMOs (Black Moving Objects) "Kara Fatma" which is also what they call cockroaches.

74 brakes  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:15:14am

The sites listed include mosques, cafes, cab driver hangouts, student associations, nongovernmental organizations, butcher shops, and bookstores.

Could those butcher shops be anything like Satriale's Pork Shop?

75 Grok the Fullness[deleted]  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:15:27am
76 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:15:50am

re: #43 Ben Hur
Sick

77 pegcity  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:15:50am

re: #59 Pickle

nothing like calling the NYPD um american from a group that had nothing to do with the creation of the colonies, the constituion, the abolition of slavery, the civil rights movement, or anything else that involved democracy, liberty or freedom.

Islam is the antithesis of America, it is a foriegn alien parasite, like the zebra muscles devouring species of algae needed to sustain life in the great lakes.

78 NoSubmission  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:15:50am

re: #45 NY Nana

re: #10 NoSubmission
Linky now worky!

Dig the whiney comments. These are the first people to screech, 'the evil US government didn't protect me!' if something happens.

79 mondoreb  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:16:04am

re: #64 galloping granny

I have to tell you, I think profiling on the basis of sex is dead wrong. You ever hear of the black widow? Refresh your memory of what some of those hags in bags up in Canada have to say about marrying only jihadis, take a gander at those "palestian" female bombers and bombers-to-be. Or the "women" in the Moscow theater siege.

I agree that the females can contribute, but by and large "young, muslim men" would throw a blanket over MOST of the most dangerous active participants--for now.

80 baconeatingkaffir[deleted]  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:16:08am
81 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:16:40am

re: #67 Geepers

NY Nana (#48),

Bet they can't make a decent bagel.

LOL.

"This is no respect to our community. Where is the respect?"

Hat tip: WriterMom.


Somehow, no one sees that "spit in the face" comment as bigotry.

Imagine, "Having Muslims in NYC after 9/11 is a spit in the face to all infidels."

82 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:16:55am

re: #69 Killgore Trout

This is interesting; compare the yahoo press release to the press release on CAIR's website. the are identicle with one exception. The release on Cair's website leads with " In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful". Why do they leave it out in public statements? Perhaps the phrase is just too ironic.

Maybe it is Yahoo that leaves it out.

83 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:17:00am

re: #43 Ben Hur

re: #36 NoSubmission

Check your mail.

See this?

[Link: wcbstv.com...]

I sent you a pic of another one that I saw that says:

"Your closet's scarier than Bush's agenda." Subway, 68th and Lex

Looks like they just drove away half their potential customers. Not to mention pro-lifers that decide they'll want to store their stuff someplace else.

84 baconeatingkaffir[deleted]  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:17:46am
85 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:18:13am

re: #83 Ward Cleaver


Dude, this is New York City.

That's why they think it will ATTRACT customers...

86 Golem Akbar  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:18:15am

re: #72 mondoreb

re: #62 Golem Akbar


We need someone, some group to countersue CAIR. You know, depose their financial records. That sort of thing. Let's see where their funding really comes from and who they actually support. [talk about turning on a light and watching the cockroaches scamper away]

Actually, several of the individuals that CAIR has sued have had the suits terminated quickly because CAIR runs for the hills in the discovery phase.


Let's go after them. RAID! [cockroach reference]

87 JCM  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:18:35am

Cry me a river,
build a bridge,
and GET OVER IT!

88 The Other Les  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:18:53am

re: #44 pegcity

CAIR: NYPD Terror Report Casts Suspicion on All U.S. Muslims.

To me this headline is something akin to a 1933 report casting suspicion on all Nazi sympathizing americans.

The German-American Bund used to posture as being patriotic.

89 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:19:17am

re: #4 BabbaZee

Kareem Shora

dhimmise, heh

90 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:19:24am

re: #67 Geepers

Geeps,

The whole madrassa concept within a public school system is mind-boggling. Where the hell is the ACLU?

I will email you a bunch of stuff on this...

Most of the bagel places in NY now are so multi-culti that I would not be shocked if there were muslims working in them!

91 cosmo  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:19:26am

Yummy.

I look upon many of them with suspicion. And I'm not even a little girl.

92 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:19:35am

re: #71 wargammer2005

islam is un-american

Indeed.

93 Charles  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:19:37am

re: #82 galloping granny

re: #69 Killgore Trout

This is interesting; compare the yahoo press release to the press release on CAIR's website. the are identicle with one exception. The release on Cair's website leads with " In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful". Why do they leave it out in public statements? Perhaps the phrase is just too ironic.
Maybe it is Yahoo that leaves it out.

Nope -- that report's from PR Newswire, a paid press release service. They don't edit releases. Almost certainly it was CAIR who left the line out of the public release.

94 Ziggy  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:19:41am

Nothing to see here. Keep moving along.

95 frankp_63  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:19:44am

I wouldn't worry about the NYPD, where any statement by CAIR will likely end up as surplus station house t.p..

But I would worry about the reaction of the Head Nanny down at City Hall, who's got a track record of getting his undies in a snit at any suggestion the 9 million children under his watch aren't playing nice - and the Police Commisioner is one them...

96 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:19:56am

re: #81 Ben Hur

re: #67 Geepers

NY Nana (#48),

Bet they can't make a decent bagel.


LOL."This is no respect to our community. Where is the respect?"

Hat tip: WriterMom.


Somehow, no one sees that "spit in the face" comment as bigotry.

Imagine, "Having Muslims in NYC after 9/11 is a spit in the face to all infidels."

So much for the "this isn't a madrassa, nobody will be indoctrinated into islam, this is just about Arab culture lalalalala" meme.

97 mondoreb  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:20:17am

You know...

I'm not a young, muslim man, but I was made to jump through 100 hoops when my wallet got stolen to prove who I am.
Airline passengers undergo lines and lines and lines since 911.

Apparently the radical Muslim community is the only one that we can't inconvenience.

98 NoSubmission  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:20:30am

re: #85 Ben Hur

re: #83 Ward Cleaver
Dude, this is New York City.
That's why they think it will ATTRACT customers...


Precisely. That coat hanger/closet reference is pretty disgusting.

99 pegcity  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:20:37am

re: #86 Golem Akbar

i wish someone could make some WW2 style poster with a giant uncle sam and i giant can of raid and a flash light, and the cockroaches with the heads of cair would be scurrying away.

100 NavyBrat  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:20:39am

C-Span / WASHINGTON JOURNAL spent an hour or so this am on the Islamic, Mexican ties.

See Sara Carter from the Washington Times, C-Span lists her 4 articles on spanish speaking Arabs ... for those who may not have seen the show.

101 mondoreb  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:20:50am

re: #86 Golem Akbar

hahahaha!

102 sandspur  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:21:23am

re: #29 Occasional Reader

“The report lists sites that are likely to be visited by any American Muslim as radicalization ‘incubators.’ The sites listed include mosques, cafes, cab driver hangouts, student associations, nongovernmental organizations, butcher shops, and bookstores.

And bakeries. Don't forget bakeries.

And the UN

103 insanity police  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:21:26am
“Whatever one thinks of the analysis contained in the report, its sweeping generalizations and mixing of unrelated elements may serve to cast a pall of suspicion over the entire American Muslim community."

In reality, whenever CAIR issues a statement on behalf of all American Muslims it casts a pall of suspicion over the entire American Muslim community.

104 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:21:32am

is Coz here?

105 Geepers  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:21:50am

Ben Hur (#81),

Somehow, no one sees that "spit in the face" comment as bigotry.

Funny that, isn't it?

I think it's because people expect muslims to hate Jews.

106 Babydoc97  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:22:48am

Well...DUH!

Anyone who has read the unholy koran and DOESN'T view muslims with suspicion, quite frankly, has no right to complain when his wife and children are enslaved and he gets decapitated for not worshipping the satanic moon god named 'Allah'.

107 tfc3rid  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:22:54am

CAIR says the 90-page report purports to outline a four-step process of radicalization, but in fact describes ordinary activities, associations and behaviors as indicators of a potential terror threat.

EXACTLY! THAT'S THE POINT!

108 mondoreb  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:23:17am

Is there any concerted effort by any USA Group to immediate release rebuttals to CAIR Backlash announcements?

Why not?

109 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:23:47am
110 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:23:47am

The Rise and Fall of a British Muslim MP


The election in May of 1997 of Mohammad Sarwar, a Pakistan-born Muslim, to British Parliament was hailed as a momentous event in British history. Taken as a sign of cross-cultural tolerance, Sarwar’s success was seen by many as an important milestone on the country’s road to becoming a truly multicultural society.

Eager to assert his Muslim identity from early on, Sarwar took the oath of office on the Koran, bucking a centuries’ old tradition of pledging allegiance to the Queen. Ever mindful of the sanctity of that Holy Writ, Sarwar insisted that the book be placed inside a protective envelope so as not to be accidentally "touched by one not of the faith."

Ten years on, Mohammad Sarwar has announced his intention to resign his seat. His decision comes after a two-year long campaign of death threats and abuse that made him fear not only for his own life but also for those of his children and grandchildren.
Many will be surprised to learn that this campaign of intimidation was not carried out by some native racists or extreme British nationalists, but by Sarwar’s fellow Muslims. But we can only fully appreciate the full import of this affair when we learn what has so enraged his co-religionists.

The troubles of Mohammad Sarwar began on the morning of March 14, 2004, when a group of five Muslim men were cruising around Glasgow looking for a white male to kill. Eventually, they zeroed in on Kriss Donald, a slightly-built schoolboy. Suspecting what lay in store, the boy pleaded with his captors as he was being bundled into a waiting car: "Why me? I'm only fifteen." [Silly infidel-BH]

Having failed to evoke their pity, Kriss was taken on a 200-mile round trip while his tormentors were looking for a house in which to kill him. As he lay bound on the floor of the car, he was subjected to brutal torture, which included castration and repeated stabbing. Unable to find a suitable house, the kidnappers drove to a garbage dump where they doused him with gasoline and then set him on fire. Despite all the torture he had endured, Kriss Donald was still alive and tried to crawl into a muddy hollow to extinguish the flames. When a walker found his body the next morning, he thought it was a mutilated animal carcass.

Within days the police arrested two of the perpetrators; the other three managed to flee to their relatives in Pakistan. It soon became clear that getting them back would be no simple task as there was no extradition treaty between the two countries. It was at this point that Mohammad Sarwar, in whose constituency the murder took place, intervened. He traveled to Pakistan and used his contacts to arrange for the murderers to be sent back to Britain. Once returned, they were convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment.

111 JCM  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:24:01am

re: #91 cosmo

Yummy.

I look upon many of them with suspicion. And I'm not even a little girl.

Sounds like Seattle, horse and goats have been preferred recently.

must... go... shower... now...

112 cpuller  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:24:10am
“Whatever one thinks of the analysis contained in the report, its sweeping generalizations and mixing of unrelated elements may serve to cast a pall of suspicion over the entire American Muslim community.

Muslims constantly killing people has cast a pall of suspicion over all Muslims. SIAP.

113 Cygnus  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:24:37am

re: #27 pegcity

re: #24 Occasional Reader

To muslims killing, maiming, and molesting are all normal daily activities.

Please don't paint ALL Muslims with the same brush. I know several who are decent, hardworking people who wouldn't hurt anybody. I just wish the moderate leaders would speak out against the radicals more. The NYPD is right, though; we do need to watch for signs of radicalization.

114 mondoreb  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:24:38am

The Anti-CAIR forces need to get a PR wing up to speed pronto!

"Countering propaganda one press release at a time"

115 WeaselZipper  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:24:48am

OT:

No respect for Arafish!

Arafat's Stolen Uniform Goes for $50...

116 starman  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:24:49am

Watching an old Star Trek movie last night it occurred to me that Islam is like the Borg. It has no goal other than assimilation and subjugation. You cannot reason with it, trust it to keep its' word or appeal to its' higher sense of equality or fair play. The only thing you can do is fight it, ban it and drive it to extinction.

117 Buck  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:24:57am

re: #40 Ward Cleaver

My point is that it is obvious.

118 jamgarr  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:25:14am

Harpe Diem (Seethe the Day)

119 allah this  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:25:17am

CAIR is enraged? Now, where'd I leave that little tiny violin?

120 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:25:19am

re: #105 Geepers

Dershowitz pointed out that double standard after terrorists apologized for "mistakenly" killing an Israeli Arab jogger in Jerusalem.

Sorry, we thought he was a Joo.

121 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:25:47am

re: #110 Ben Hur

Given their way, the world will return to tribes killing each other with stones.

122 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:26:14am

re: #118 jamgarr

Harpe Diem (Seethe the Day)

Good!

123 bulwrk  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:26:23am

The Council on American- Islamic Relations (CAIR) said today that a new NYPD report on “radicalization” may result in all U.S. Muslims being viewed with suspicion.


We don't CAIR.

124 mondoreb  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:26:34am

re: #113 Cygnus

Please don't paint ALL Muslims with the same brush. I know several who are decent, hardworking people who wouldn't hurt anybody. I just wish the moderate leaders would speak out against the radicals more. The NYPD is right, though; we do need to watch for signs of radicalization.



EXACTLY!

But who speaks with the range and voice of the moderates?
No one.

125 BuckOhio  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:26:35am

Heck Yes! The report casts suspicion upon Muslims. Who is making all the noise, producing all the radicals, & bombing everything that doesn't agree with them? Is it Arab Hindus? A no. Is it Arab christians...ah, no again. Is it even Arab agnostics? NO. What does that leave us with as suspects?

126 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:26:37am

Israeli veterinary teaching hospital is the cat's meow

Look how cute that poor dog is! He was bitten by a snake and his face puffed up!

127 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:27:18am

And yes, I think they published that article just because of the SAMAH animal thingy.

128 mondoreb  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:27:24am

re: #124 mondoreb

EXACTLY!
But who speaks with the range and voice as a CAIR for the moderates?
No one.

129 Golem Akbar  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:27:56am

re: #99 pegcity

re: #86 Golem Akbar

i wish someone could make some WW2 style poster with a giant uncle sam and i giant can of raid and a flash light, and the cockroaches with the heads of cair would be scurrying away.


Love it! Any artists in the Lizard colony?

130 Four Inch Heels  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:28:00am

I read the report--and it certainly makes clear where the problem lies. We wrote on it yesterday at Billtblog:

"A Modest Proposal for a New Application of Nanocell: to Terrorism" Nanocell works for the tiny groups sometimes as small as two--or even the lone jihadist.

"NYPD Report on Terrorism," which summarizes the trajectory of becoming a terrorist. It includes a few quotations, such as: "The majority of the individuals involved in these plots began as “unremarkable” - they had “ordinary” jobs, had lived “ordinary” lives and had little, if any criminal history."

"New Report Points to Homegrown Terror Cell Threat"

131 wargammer2005  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:28:21am

re: #113 Cygnus

there is plenty of history to show that muslim will turn on non-muslims when called to do so.

132 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:28:56am

re: #128 mondoreb

re: #124 mondoreb

EXACTLY!
But who speaks with the range and voice as a CAIR for the moderates?
No one.

Yes, but you have to speak passable English, first. CAIR is just a political branch of a terrorist organization.. sort of like synn fein or however u spell it.

133 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:29:18am

The NYPD knows better than most what kind of threat Islamists pose to the City. They've dealt with the fallout of Islamist attacks before - 1993 WTC bombing, 2000 millenium plot, landmarks plot, 9/11, the Brooklyn subway stations bomb plot, the PATH bomb plot, and those plots were hatched or culminated in mosques and groups who had ties to NYC Islamic community or pass through the community.

The NYPD has had to build up its own intel and security apparatus because NYC is the target for the Islamists. They will most certainly want to hit here again. Knowing what you're up against helps prepare for the next time.

What is also interesting is that this report also shreds the notion about how terrorism is due to the poor and wretched being turned to Islamic extremism - as we've repeatedly seen, it's middle class men who are largely leading this war against the west.

134 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:29:35am
“Whatever one thinks of the analysis contained in the report, its sweeping generalizations and mixing of unrelated elements may serve to cast a pall of suspicion over the entire American Muslim community.

Sorry CARE, the smart ones (non-dhimmi, non-lib) already view your community with great suspicion.

135 mean Gene  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:29:50am

They forgot to list bakerys.
Seriously, the donning of more religiously (culturally) restrictive garb and the growing of beards is interesting, but I would be more alarmed at the muslims who attempt to throw their weight aroung inside their own families.
When one man or woman goes fundamental he/she likes to foist their version of the koran on everyone around them.
So, moderate muslims, when are you coming out of your protect-the-whole-umma shell and TELLING on these guys?
Certainly the signs that radicalized muslims give to their families are there to see if you look.
But you never look.
Maybe it is because there is no such bird as a moderate muslim.

136 tfc3rid  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:29:57am

re: #43 Ben Hur

They also used to have another sign on the subways that used to say something like "You're closet's no narrow it makes Cheney look liberal"

137 Is it me?  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:30:01am

They're calling the NYPD un American!
Aren't they in entirely the wrong country to be doing that?

Their word is 'backlash' over here it's 'onslaught' the MCB have been using it for years but there wasn't really any. Seems to be changing now tho'. You reap you sow.

138 Geepers  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:30:04am

BuckOhio (#125),

Click my nic.

139 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:30:26am

re: #91 cosmo

Yummy.

I look upon many of them with suspicion. And I'm not even a little girl.

He wrote huge volumes on that one subject, 15 years of writing. Most dhimmis will not believe it though.

140 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:30:35am

The ironic thing is all the NY Yankees caps and wool hats worn by terrorists in Israeli security prisons.

Now I know where they got them all from.

141 mondoreb  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:30:38am

re: #132 baconeatingkaffir

Yes, but you have to speak passable English, first. CAIR is just a political branch of a terrorist organization.. sort of like synn fein or however u spell it.

But there has to be a group, however small, driven apolitical American Muslims.

Of course, being apolitical, they would probably just want to live their lives and ignore the storm. But that might not be an option for much longer.

142 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:30:57am
all U.S. Muslims being viewed with suspicion

Like Ronald Reagan used to say, "Trust, but verify." Here CAIR, have a little whine with your seethe.

143 big L  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:31:48am

107tfc3rid- yeah! Exactly the point!HHHAHAHAHA!
a-holes...like they say not all muslims are terrorists, but it sure looks like all terrorists come from the the muslim ethos.
Too bad if they don't like it . Now the real problem are the bureaucrats that are enbling and protection the terrorist acts. for example, if I threaten my neighbor with mayem or murder or being punched out, I can get charged with a CRIME. Be taken into custody. I may get released on bail or charges not filed but I will have an interesting weekend. Do the Muslims that threated murder get arrested? NO WAY.
/nip it in the bud to run the lot of them in jail, (and if they trip and slip n' fall ...) then THEY get the weekend at graybar hotel
and tehy LEARn that they have to behave.

144 Cygnus  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:31:55am

re: #124 mondoreb

re: #113 Cygnus

Please don't paint ALL Muslims with the same brush. I know several who are decent, hardworking people who wouldn't hurt anybody. I just wish the moderate leaders would speak out against the radicals more. The NYPD is right, though; we do need to watch for signs of radicalization.



EXACTLY!

But who speaks with the range and voice of the moderates?
No one.

Somebody had better or they'll all be typecast as enemies. Just like Japanese-Americans during WW II.

145 carridine  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:31:55am

“The Fifth Amendment was violated (Woot! Are YOU ever off-base!)

because the public naming of the unindicted co-conspirators (a normal part of legal findings, Oxy-Muslim!)

damaged their reputation, (Hahaha! Your reputation was so ugly it could hardly be damaged more, even if we beat it with The Ugly Stick!)

good name, (WHAT?! Who was the liar that told you YOU had a good name, CAIR? "Good" compared to... what? Joseph Goebbels? Adolph Schickelgruber?)

and economic well-being, (Did your Saudi patrons hold back some funds?)

without offering a forum for vindication, (other than Life, Truth and Reality, just like for the rest of us humans!)

and without a legitimate governmental reason for doing so. (other than to notify and alert 300 million Americans to your seedy, stained, terror-besmirched history filled with lies, dissembling, obfuscation, terror-enabling and taqqiyyah!)

146 Harry Tuttle  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:31:58am
...may result in all U.S. Muslims being viewed with suspicion.

Too late dickheads.

147 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:32:36am

re: #133 lawhawk

The NYPD knows better than most what kind of threat Islamists pose to the City. They've dealt with the fallout of Islamist attacks before - 1993 WTC bombing, 2000 millenium plot, landmarks plot, 9/11, the Brooklyn subway stations bomb plot, the PATH bomb plot, and those plots were hatched or culminated in mosques and groups who had ties to NYC Islamic community or pass through the community.

The NYPD has had to build up its own intel and security apparatus because NYC is the target for the Islamists. They will most certainly want to hit here again. Knowing what you're up against helps prepare for the next time.

What is also interesting is that this report also shreds the notion about how terrorism is due to the poor and wretched being turned to Islamic extremism - as we've repeatedly seen, it's middle class men who are largely leading this war against the west.

Poor & wretched might work if you want a suicide bomber in Gaza, but not if you want someone to infiltrate the Western world and create havoc here.

148 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:32:38am
Europe’s failure to integrate the 2nd and 3rd generation of its immigrants into society, both economically and socially, has left many young Muslims torn between the secular West and their religious heritage. This inner conflict makes them especially vulnerable to extremism—the radical views, philosophy, and rhetoric that is highly advertised and becoming more and more fashionable among young Muslims in the West.

Interesting. I was told this by a Hindu immigrant- that America is far better at integration than europe. Perhaps it's America's capitalist society vs. the euro-socialist nanny state that causes our immigrants to adapt better. Hmm.

149 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:32:39am

Charles, #110 recommended

150 EtNorskTroll  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:32:39am
"...Radical Front Groups Seething Over NYPD Terror Report"

Boo hoo...

~ENT

151 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:33:54am

90 pages. This is going to take awhile.

/At least page 3 was blank.

152 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:34:30am

re: #70 lawhawk

Hey lawhawk, from your post:

These trucks are entering the site at Greenwich Street in front of 7 WTC and the building in the background is the infamous Fiterman Hall. That hulking ruin is a detestable reminder of the failure of the state and city to deal with resolving that building's future. It will likely need to be deconstructed in a manner similar to that of the Deutsche Bank building (130 Liberty).

When you say "deconstructed", what do you mean? Strip the building down to its steel frame and floor slabs, and rebuild from there? Is Deutsche Bank's building finished, and open?

This photo shows the survivor's staircase in the foreground, just past the mixer truck. In the background, one can see the Millenium Hilton and other buildings lining Church Street.

Tell me about the survivors' staircase. Is this the one that the Port Authority cops were in, like in the WTC movie? Or where rescued FDNY firefighters were? Is the museum being built around it?

153 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:34:35am

The Homegrown Threat

No sooner had the New York Police Department yesterday released the report from its intelligence division on "Radicalization in the West: The Homegrown Threat" then the Saudi-funded Arab and Muslim groups were denouncing it. The report "uses unfortunate stereotyping of entire communities" said the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee's national executive director, Kareem Shora, adding that it "is un-American and goes against everything for which we stand." The Council on American-Islamic Relations accused the NYPD of "labeling almost every American Muslim as a potential terrorist" and of encouraging "hostility toward the American Muslim community."

We've got our own issues with the NYPD report, primarily the troubling way in which it contrasts homegrown Western terrorism with Palestinian Arab terrorism against Israel. "Much different from the Israeli- Palestinian equation, the transformation of a Western-based individual to a terrorist is not triggered by oppression, suffering, revenge, or desperation," the report says. Since the report is a study of terrorist attacks in America and Europe, not attacks against Israel, it's hard to see the basis for the NYPD's assessment of the motivation of attacks on Israel. If any such basis exists, evidence for it certainly is absent from the report. Many of the attacks on Israel are motivated, inspired, supported, and funded by Saudi, Iranian, and Syrian agitators who are neither oppressed nor suffering nor desperate. The NYPD report is scathing about the Saudis (which may be one reason the Saudi-funded American groups are squawking about it) but it gives short shrift to the Iranian threat. Those quarrels aside, however, the report is an intriguing and sober contribution to the discussion of how to make New York safer, and it certainly doesn't deserve the alarmist response with which it has been greeted by the Arab and Muslim groups.


*Sigh*

154 cpuller  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:34:41am

re: #110 Ben Hur

The Rise and Fall of a British Muslim MP


The election in May of 1997 of Mohammad Sarwar, a Pakistan-born Muslim, to British Parliament was hailed as a momentous event in British history. Taken as a sign of cross-cultural tolerance, Sarwar’s success was seen by many as an important milestone on the country’s road to becoming a truly multicultural society.
Eager to assert his Muslim identity from early on, Sarwar took the oath of office on the Koran, bucking a centuries’ old tradition of pledging allegiance to the Queen. Ever mindful of the sanctity of that Holy Writ, Sarwar insisted that the book be placed inside a protective envelope so as not to be accidentally "touched by one not of the faith."

Ten years on, Mohammad Sarwar has announced his intention to resign his seat. His decision comes after a two-year long campaign of death threats and abuse that made him fear not only for his own life but also for those of his children and grandchildren.
Many will be surprised to learn that this campaign of intimidation was not carried out by some native racists or extreme British nationalists, but by Sarwar’s fellow Muslims. But we can only fully appreciate the full import of this affair when we learn what has so enraged his co-religionists.

The troubles of Mohammad Sarwar began on the morning of March 14, 2004, when a group of five Muslim men were cruising around Glasgow looking for a white male to kill. Eventually, they zeroed in on Kriss Donald, a slightly-built schoolboy. Suspecting what lay in store, the boy pleaded with his captors as he was being bundled into a waiting car: "Why me? I'm only fifteen." [Silly infidel-BH]

Having failed to evoke their pity, Kriss was taken on a 200-mile round trip while his tormentors were looking for a house in which to kill him. As he lay bound on the floor of the car, he was subjected to brutal torture, which included castration and repeated stabbing. Unable to find a suitable house, the kidnappers drove to a garbage dump where they doused him with gasoline and then set him on fire. Despite all the torture he had endured, Kriss Donald was still alive and tried to crawl into a muddy hollow to extinguish the flames. When a walker found his body the next morning, he thought it was a mutilated animal carcass.

Within days the police arrested two of the perpetrators; the other three managed to flee to their relatives in Pakistan. It soon became clear that getting them back would be no simple task as there was no extradition treaty between the two countries. It was at this point that Mohammad Sarwar, in whose constituency the murder took place, intervened. He traveled to Pakistan and used his contacts to arrange for the murderers to be sent back to Britain. Once returned, they were convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment.

Words fail me. The bastards.

155 easy  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:34:42am
“The report also claims that signs of radicalization include positive changes in personal behavior such as giving up smoking, drinking and gambling. It also makes similar claims about those who wear Islamic attire or a religiously-recommended beard.


Fundamentalism = radicalism = violence. Shame, but there it is.

156 big L  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:35:22am

116 starman- right.I thought that too. "REsisistance is futile, We are the borg! we will assimilate You.."
/like star wars stormtroopers...bzzzt.

157 Venezuela lover  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:35:52am

Islamic Profiling?
Islam, more than any other religion, seeks to make individuals look, behave, pray, think, and obey the same. The penalty for non-conformity is simply death.

How can muslims complain about profiling when they themselves have created the profile?

158 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:35:59am

8/16/07 ( Mogadishu, Somalia ) - Islamic gunmen shoot two civilians to death at a market.
8/16/07 ( Mogadishu, Somalia ) - Two Somalis are killed in a mine attack by Islamic militias.
8/16/07 ( Spinwara, Pakistan ) - Two soldiers are killed in an al-Qaeda IED attack.
8/15/07 ( Swabi, Paksitan ) - A teacher and student are killed when Islamists bomb a house.
8/15/07 ( Hilla, Iraq ) - A suicide bomber kills five people inside a judge's home.
8/15/07 ( Kirkuk, Iraq ) - Islamic terrorists car bomb a marketplace, killing five people.

ZZZzzz...

159 NoSubmission  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:36:04am

Here's what a few cops have to say about the NYPD terror report.

160 carridine  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:36:46am
"...may serve to cast a pall of suspicion over the entire American Muslim community..."

To match the suspicion cast over the entire American Muslim community BY THE ACTIONS and INACTIONS OF the entire American community and by the ACTIONS of the terrorist thugs hidden and supported and spawned BY the entire American community!

You created that suspicion, YOU triggered it, now YOU experience it!

"Taste ye what your hands have wrought!"... Baha'u'llah, the Glory of God

161 JCM  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:36:52am

re: #146 Harry Tuttle

...may result in all U.S. Muslims being viewed with suspicion.

Too late dickheads.

You had your chance to stand and condemn terrorism in no uncertain terms.

You blew your chances.

162 Texas Joel  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:37:35am

“The report lists sites that are likely to be visited by any American Muslim as radicalization ‘incubators.’ The sites listed include mosques, cafes, cab driver hangouts, student associations, nongovernmental organizations, butcher shops, and bookstores.

That is exactly the point.
Radicalization is an epidemic in the American Muslim community because it occurs everywhere an American Muslim is likely to visit.

If radicals were only recruiting in the "Radical Islamic Meeting Center" (upstairs from the NewYork Times coffee shop) it would be easier to keep track of the terror minded.

163 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:37:43am

re: #154 cpuller

Man, heartless gutless criminals like that don't deserve life sentences.. they deserve stretched necks or reserved seating in "ol sparky". Thats all the [bigoted word]s seem to understand is violence and death. Heck, that's how their religion started!

164 tfc3rid  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:37:56am

re: #158 Ben Hur

Notice, though, that there were no attacks in Western nations...

165 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:38:10am

re: #110 Ben Hur


Eventually, they zeroed in on Kriss Donald

I wish Kriss had been carrying a KRISS at that moment.

Awful.

166 Judith  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:38:22am

Charkes, I really think this one calls for the crying baby image.

167 mom's no dhimmi  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:38:53am

re: #110 Ben Hur

What is it with these brave jihadis that they express their wrath on nuns, schoolgirls, and in this case a hapless teenager? What worthless cowards.

168 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:39:09am
This ideology is proliferating in Western democracies at a logarithmic rate.
The Internet, certain Salafi-based NGO’s (non-governmental
organizations)
, extremist sermons /study groups, Salafi literature, jihadi videotapes, extremist - sponsored trips to radical madrassas and militant training camps abroad have served as “extremist incubators” for young, susceptible Muslims -- especially ones living in diaspora communities in the West.

Well- no wonder they're p*ssed. The NYPD called them out, classy New Yorker style.

/Yeah- we knows it's youse guys.

169 carridine  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:39:09am

"To match the suspicion cast over the entire American Muslim community BY THE ACTIONS and INACTIONS OF the entire American Muslim community and by the ACTIONS of the terrorist thugs hidden and supported and spawned BY the entire American Muslim community!

You created that suspicion, YOU triggered it, now YOU experience it!

"Taste ye what your hands have wrought!"... Baha'u'llah, the Glory of God

/PIMF

170 Judith  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:39:28am

Sorry, should have been Charles, I grovel in most abject apology to the Great Lizardoid Master.

171 Golem Akbar  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:39:37am

re: #113 Cygnus

re: #27 pegcity


re: #24 Occasional Reader

To muslims killing, maiming, and molesting are all normal daily activities.


Please don't paint ALL Muslims with the same brush. I know several who are decent, hardworking people who wouldn't hurt anybody. I just wish the moderate leaders would speak out against the radicals more. The NYPD is right, though; we do need to watch for signs of radicalization.

You do know that that is exactly the problem. If there are any moderate Muslims left, anywhere, they need to speak out loudly and denounce radical/fascist Islam. That they are silent is the real problem and why they get and deserve the needling from LGF and others. Yes, most are peace-loving and abhor the extremists. But until they speak out, loudly and clearly, they are no better than the fascists.

172 Macker  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:39:54am

re: #41 Geepers

He sure as hell ain't MY Black Muslim Bakery Chief!

/sarc

173 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:41:06am

re: #159 NoSubmission

Here's what a few cops have to say about the NYPD terror report.

Thanks for posting that, NoS. Good stuff there.

174 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:41:14am

re: #148 Sharmuta

Europe’s failure to integrate the 2nd and 3rd generation of its immigrants into society, both economically and socially, has left many young Muslims torn between the secular West and their religious heritage. This inner conflict makes them especially vulnerable to extremism—the radical views, philosophy, and rhetoric that is highly advertised and becoming more and more fashionable among young Muslims in the West.

Interesting. I was told this by a Hindu immigrant- that America is far better at integration than europe. Perhaps it's America's capitalist society vs. the euro-socialist nanny state that causes our immigrants to adapt better. Hmm.

I don't think it is so much that we are capitalist vs. the socialism of Europe, but rather because we are not "French" or "German" or "Swedish." We are a blend of people who came here precisely and almost entirely to escape the old ways of Europe, who became a new American people by choice rather than geography & ownership by some "king."

175 JCM  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:41:39am

re: #165 Occasional Reader

re: #110 Ben Hur


Eventually, they zeroed in on Kriss Donald

I wish Kriss had been carrying a KRISS at that moment.

Awful.

I am kind of partial to the H & K MP7.

176 LC LaWedgie  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:43:39am

When you read stuff like this on the RAWI website as prime examples of cutting edge Arab literary genius, you kinda step back and think, let the next Saddam have them, bless them, keep them and their dear, beautiful, merciful Allah:

I hung up the phone, not in shock but in disbelief. Sitti Leila dead? She had been at death's door so many times that the mat said, “ Ahlan wa-sahlan, Leila,” but she'd always managed to rally. Her heart was bad, her hearing and vision were shot, and she needed a chair lift to get to her bedroom, but -- as she always reminded visitors -- she still had her brain. When the bombs had started falling on Iraq, I'd pictured Sitti Leila hooked up to CNN like an IV line, her headset blaring, the magnifying lens on her television blurring the images of war to a fight in a fish tank. She would be enjoying herself thoroughly, dictating a letter to President Bush through Auntie Neena, telling him how misguided he was.
---
The students called themselves Operation Desert Rose. About twenty of them had been there with roses and candles, blankets and placards. A guitarist in tie-dyed long johns led the group with her strong, clear soprano voice. “Give Peace A Chance.” I was surprised that the cops allowed it. In their eyes, we were traitors because we had gone on protesting after the war had started.
---
He heard the soldiers coming up the stairs and his mother’s plaintive voice calling after them. “Ma fish shebab han. There are no young men here.”
“Shut up!” one soldier demanded. They were in the kitchen now, so close he could hear their rough breathing and worried they would hear his. They turned over a floor-level table filled with bowls of pressed olives and plates his mother had set out for supper. Through a slit, he watched olive oil seep onto tattered floor mats upon which his family sat to eat and smoke. A few frustrated shouts in Hebrew came through an open window of the kitchen, prompting the soldiers outdoors.
When he knew it was clear, he hopped down from the sedah, a few pots scattering behind him. He was filled with victorious adrenaline.
He looked down the hallway. Before his mother could see him, he hurried to his room to change his underpants, soiled with urine.
--
“All this land,” Abu Ayman said, waving his arm across the lawn, “and not a single vegetable or fruit comes up from it. Ya Allah, what a waste.”
Najwa continued spraying, sighing heavily as though the pressure of the spurting water came directly from her own body. “Uncle, I’ve told you before. We cannot have vegetable patches in this neighborhood. It’s against Association rules.”
“Who ever heard of such a thing? You own the land, don’t you?”
“Yes, of course. But, the homeowners have agreed upon a set of preservation and beautification rules.” She spoke to him as though he was one of her children, demanding an answer to a ridiculous question.
“Rocks and mulch have become visions of beauty, then?” He fumbled with the latch on the patio door until Najwa effortlessly slid the screen open. “It’s your land, but you have no say. I suppose some things never change for Arabs.”

177 NoSubmission  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:43:40am

re: #173 Ward Cleaver

re: #159 NoSubmission
Here's what a few cops have to say about the NYPD terror report.

Thanks for posting that, NoS. Good stuff there.


Yup. You can count on the NYPD to tell it like it is!

178 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:43:44am

re: #115 WeaselZipper


I just hope that it was decontaminated...OTOH? An arab bought it? Never mind.

179 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:43:53am

re: #175 JCM

re: #165 Occasional Reader


re: #110 Ben Hur

Eventually, they zeroed in on Kriss Donald

I wish Kriss had been carrying a KRISS at that moment.

Awful.


I am kind of partial to the H & K MP7.

You've whipped yours out.

Excuse me while I whip mine out:

180 carridine  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:43:57am

re: #171 Golem Akbar

Golem, there were about 20 MILLION "moderate" Germans in pre-WWII Germany, but because they were cowed into silence, they facilitated and allowed the evil to continue, and so they experienced the horrors of war when their turns came around!

181 Toonman  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:44:03am

Both groups are seething over this, I guess there will be a fatwa on the NYPD before the end of the week. Usually the only thing that gets CAIR, etc. upset is the truth, so this report must be spot on. You know what they say, "The truth hurts."

re: #159 NoSubmission

That thread reads like most of the posters are LGFers too.

re: #162 Texas Joel

the "Radical Islamic Meeting Center" (upstairs from the New York Times coffee shop)

- I love it!

182 tfc3rid  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:44:09am

OT but Ironic:

Last week the GF and I went to Tao for dinner and I got a fortune cookie with my check and the saying was 'It is not in your interest to submit.'

Just thought it was very spooky...

183 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:44:23am

From the American Muslim Law Enforcement Officers Association:

***SEPTEMBER 9, 2007, MUSLIM DAY PARADE*** MEMBERS OF THE ASSOCIATION AND OTHER MUSLIM LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WILL MARCH IN UNIFORM. FOR FURTHER DETAILS CONTACT US AT 718 xxx xxx. TRANSPORTATION WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR THOSE WHO NEED IT. ALL MEMBERS SHOULD BE AT THE PARADE MARCHING. BE PROUD OF WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT YOU REPRESENT.

184 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:44:39am

Lefties nod their heads in agreement with "moderate Muslims", yes yes those NYPD are un-Americans. Yes yes we agree with you, please assimilate our asses.

/delusional leftist retard

185 Golem Akbar  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:45:04am

re: #180 carridine

re: #171 Golem Akbar

Golem, there were about 20 MILLION "moderate" Germans in pre-WWII Germany, but because they were cowed into silence, they facilitated and allowed the evil to continue, and so they experienced the horrors of war when their turns came around!


As they say in Hip Hopese: True dat!

186 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:45:09am
187 jamgarr  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:45:29am

It surprises me that you don't very often hear the following argument from those who recognize the threat of Islamofascism:

While I disagree with your assessment that (pick the current seethe-worthy event) is an unfair over-generalization of Islam, I must point out that ours is not a perfect world and that, sometimes, efforts to defend ourselves against the very real threat of Islamofascism may cause minor inconvenience or discomfort to some peaceful Muslims. Thankfully, our country's Constitutional protections of individuals' rights assure that potential, significant unfair consequences are rare and almost always corrected. In a world which includes significant numbers of Muslims who are dedicated to violence against our society minor inconveniences must be endured by all and elevating those inconveniences to policy-controlling status runs the serious risk of undermining effective defense strategies.

188 carridine  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:46:11am

re: #174 galloping granny

I agree, Granny, but at the same time European nations have a LOT of welfare, which allows non-(European/Christian/western) immigrants to just collect welfare and live with their friends in Balkanized, non-integrated communities...

189 Macker  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:46:31am

re: #166 Judith

Charkes, I really think this one calls for the crying baby image.

Actually, I think Islamic Rage Boy would be much more apropos.

190 tfc3rid  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:46:42am

re: #177 NoSubmission

I found interesting the comment that the brass must know something is going on or is imminent. Who sees it as a CYA report.

The NYPD sees what is going on out there... And you CAN'T tell me they aren't profiling at least from a nundercover perspective...

191 Judith  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:46:56am

re: #177 NoSubmission

I agree. I read that and I worry less because it is obvious CAIR and their ilk aren't fooling anyone who matters. Long live the rough men (and women) who stand guard in the night.

192 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:47:15am
193 tfc3rid  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:48:06am

re: #186 Iron Fist

Folks I work with think that CAIR is the voice for moderate Muslims.

194 EtNorskTroll  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:48:21am

re: #170 Judith

Sorry, should have been Charles, I grovel in most abject apology to the Great Lizardoid Master.

WHAT a sycophant, Judith!

/you make me proud, *sniff*

*wink*

~Et Norsk Troll

195 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:48:28am

re: #180 carridine

re: #171 Golem Akbar

Golem, there were about 20 MILLION "moderate" Germans in pre-WWII Germany, but because they were cowed into silence, they facilitated and allowed the evil to continue, and so they experienced the horrors of war when their turns came around!

And an awful lot of those 20 million moderate Germans did more than facilitate. Eventually nearly all of them participated themselves.

196 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:48:48am

lawhawk,

The NYPD has had to build up its own intel and security apparatus because NYC is the target for the Islamists. They will most certainly want to hit here again. Knowing what you're up against helps prepare for the next time.

The NYPD Matrix is probably a good tool to keep tabs on local nuts. These nuts may congregate at "Sword of the Infidel Slayer" mosque, preach hatred, and paint a big bullseye on their chests. But I doubt an al-Qaeda or Hezballah sleeper cell would.

Much of the critical planning and training for al-Qaeda or Hezballah missions occurs overseas. That's far beyond the scope of the NYPD's Matrix.

In addition, the al-Qaeda handbook warns operatives against mingling in places that law enforcement keeps tabs on. They're told not to even live in areas with large concentrations of Muslims. I'm sure Hezballah has similar rules relating to operational security.

197 jamgarr  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:49:14am

re: #158 Ben Hur

I've been meaning to thank you for your regular itemizations, so - thanks.

198 Golem Akbar  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:49:48am

re: #186 Iron Fist

I'm thinking that the moderate Muslims, if not being outright mythical, are the "tiny" very silent "minority".

Right after 9/11 I was listening to Dennis Prager's radio show and he said that right about now is a very good time for "moderate" Muslims to come out and denounce terror and Radical Islam. It never happened. CAIR is a fraud (they claim to denounce terror, yet they defend it whenever they can). Where are the voices in the Moslem world denouncing terror, Islamic fascism, and the excesses of the Imams?

Until they speak up, it's as if they are non-existent. They deserve our contempt.

199 Judith  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:50:00am

re: #189 Macker

Okay, I concede. Rage Boy would be better. But maybe Charles could find a photoshop version of the rage boy on the baby's body or something. Maybe a raging two year old having a temper tantrum?

200 JCM  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:50:16am

re: #179 Ben Hur

re: #175 JCM

re: #165 Occasional Reader


re: #110 Ben Hur


Eventually, they zeroed in on Kriss Donald


I wish Kriss had been carrying a KRISS at that moment.Awful.


I am kind of partial to the H & K MP7.

You've whipped yours out.

Excuse me while I whip mine out:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

okay I'll put mine back ;-)

201 tfc3rid  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:50:29am

re: #183 Kreuzueber Halbmond

But NYPD officers are demonized for wanting to march with religious groups in the St. PAtrick's Day Parade...

202 carridine  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:50:37am

re: #191 Judith

re: #177 NoSubmission

I agree. I read that and I worry less because it is obvious CAIR and their ilk aren't fooling anyone who matters. Long live the rough men (and women) who stand guard in the night.

Yes Ma'am... just now, it sank in that you're speaking wisdom, and that relaxed a knot deep in my chest...

/a 'rough man' for 4 honorable years...

203 Cygnus  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:50:56am

re: #193 tfc3rid

re: #186 Iron Fist

Folks I work with think that CAIR is the voice for moderate Muslims.

They need a bit of education on that. Is there any voice for moderate Muslims?

204 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:51:01am
205 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:51:22am

re: #188 carridine

re: #174 galloping granny

I agree, Granny, but at the same time European nations have a LOT of welfare, which allows non-(European/Christian/western) immigrants to just collect welfare and live with their friends in Balkanized, non-integrated communities...

Sure - but they didn't until after WWII. And we have more than a little bit of welfare for new immigrants ourselves. Ask the nice folks up in Lewiston, Maine. Once the very heart of "Down East" farm country, these days Little Somalia thanks to dear Bill.

Meanwhile, many a small town in Maine is dis-incorporating itself and returning the township to the state. Can't afford to stay "in business."

206 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:53:05am
Jihadi-Salafi ideology is but one stream of the broader Salafi movement. The general goal of this Sunni revivalist interpretation of Islam, is to create a “pure” society that applies a literal reading of the Quran and adheres to the social practices that prevailed at the time of 7th century Arabia.

The NYPD gets it.

/Why can't the left?

207 Cygnus  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:53:37am

re: #157 Venezuela lover

Islamic Profiling?
Islam, more than any other religion, seeks to make individuals look, behave, pray, think, and obey the same. The penalty for non-conformity is simply death.

How can muslims complain about profiling when they themselves have created the profile?

A lot of false religions are like that.

208 carridine  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:53:54am

re: #195 galloping granny

Roger THAT!

/I have been helping write the English-language version of a screenplay of a 13-year-old survivor's diary of his life during the Battle of Berlin, and he's 80+ now, but STILL romanticizing his involvement, though it was mostly peripheral and negligible... he was, after all, 12-13-14 then...

209 Judith  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:54:44am
210 carridine  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:55:26am

re: #205 galloping granny

Wow! I haven't heard of that before. Thank you, Ma'am...

211 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:55:42am

re: #192 Ben Hur

Forgot your sarc mark! I actually blame Shrillary...no sarc mark would be harmed in regard to blaming the one who destroyed our health care system while not even in office.

I could just see Laura Bush interfering in the government. I will miss her. She is a lady. I remember just how caring she was after 9/11, and how many quiet visits she made here, especially to school kids.

212 JCM  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:56:08am

re: #209 Judith

How about this one?

Looks familiar, mine didn't want the Thomas shirt this morning, he wanted the truck shirt.
*sigh*

213 Wisenheimer  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:56:59am

Maybe I'm making an unwarranted inference, but it seems that the news media's continual use of the phrase "homegrown terrorism" is a way of diverting attention away from the muslim origins of terrorism. "Homegrown" implies that there is something in the American culture that leads to terrorism.

214 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:58:54am

re: #212 JCM

My suggestion:
[Link: www.cairbaby.com...]

215 Cygnus  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:58:58am

re: #183 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Think they'll ever have a 'Christian Day Parade'?
When pigs fly (oops that's not halal!).

216 Judith  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:59:03am

re: #193 tfc3rid

re: #186 Iron Fist

Folks I work with think that CAIR is the voice for moderate Muslims.

Every time I see some reporter quoting CAIR I send them a little information about the group including their proterrorist leanings, their Saudi funding and their very small membership (along with a few links) and I ask the reporter why they are quoting these people. I always try to cc to the editor of the paper too. I get lots of answers back about from these reporters thanking me and saying they won't be asking CAIR again.

A drop in a bucket but enough drops makes an ocean.

217 JCM  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:59:10am

re: #213 Wisenheimer

Maybe I'm making an unwarranted inference, but it seems that the news media's continual use of the phrase "homegrown terrorism" is a way of diverting attention away from the muslim origins of terrorism. "Homegrown" implies that there is something in the American culture that leads to terrorism.

It's in the MSM style guide.

Never use words Muslim, Islam, and the word terror, terrorist in the same sentence.

218 So?  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:59:37am

“The report lists sites that are likely to be visited by any American Muslim as radicalization ‘incubators.’ The sites listed include mosques, cafes, cab driver hangouts, student associations, nongovernmental organizations, butcher shops, and bookstores."

Well it's about time!

“Despite raising suspicions against ordinary Muslims and the places they visit, the report itself states:

Well as long as "ordinary" Muslims do nothing to speak out against terrorism perpetrated fellow Muslim brethren
they deserve their just deserts.

219 EmeraldLakeEyes  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 9:00:39am

What does CYA mean? Thanks in advance

220 tfc3rid  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 9:01:05am

re: #213 Wisenheimer

Completely agree... The connotation is that they are terrorists beaause of something wrong in their lives here...

VICTIMIZATION!

221 Judith  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 9:01:26am

re: #212 JCM

Speaking as a grandmother, they grow out of it. Then they become teenagers.

Eventually though, you get your revenge. Yesterday my two year old grandson did a perfect imitation of his father at that age and I got to sit back and laugh at his father trying to cope.

222 mom's no dhimmi  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 9:01:33am

re 110 & 171
I'm assuming Mohammad Sarwar is a moderate muslim. He discovered that respecting the laws of his country meant being targeted by radicals for siding with the infidels. I can see why other moderates keep quiet - I don't agree with it, but I can understand it.

223 opinionated  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 9:01:49am

(CAIR) said today that a new NYPD report on “radicalization” may result in all U.S. Muslims being viewed with suspicion.

And now for Equal Time, a piano player.

"We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam. We've seen it in many ways."

Is it just me or does one of these two statement seem to have been said by a possibly insane person?

224 HeatherRadish  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 9:02:23am

re: #110 Ben Hur

Thanks for posting that link.

225 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 9:02:36am

#179 Ben Hur:


Excuse me while I whip mine out:

"I see your Schwartz is as big as mine." But mine's a little more practical for concealed carry!

226 Judith  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 9:02:59am

re: #202 carridine

Like I said Long Live and God Bless while we are at it.

227 Glackinspeil  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 9:03:06am

I love a good whine and seethe party!

228 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 9:03:24am

re: #215 Cygnus

re: #183 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Think they'll ever have a 'Christian Day Parade'?
When pigs fly (oops that's not halal!).

Precisely. There should be a massive protest at the Muslim parade.

229 tfc3rid  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 9:06:22am

re: #219 EmeraldLakeEyes

Cover Your A$$

230 NoSubmission  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 9:06:35am

re: #214 Kreuzueber Halbmond

re: #212 JCM
My suggestion:
[Link: www.cairbaby.com...]

That really is funny!

231 EmeraldLakeEyes  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 9:11:43am

re: #212 JCM
My suggestion:
[Link: [Link: www.cairbaby.com...]...]

I love the PINK bonnet! lolre: #229 tfc3rid

re: #219 EmeraldLakeEyes

Cover Your A$$

Well, I guess that a good DUH moment for me.
My suggestion:
[Link: [Link: www.cairbaby.com...]...]

I love the PINK bonnet! lolre: #212 JCM
My suggestion:
[Link: [Link: www.cairbaby.com...]...]

I love the PINK bonnet! lol

232 Sabraguy  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 9:12:13am
The Council on American- Islamic Relations (CAIR) said today that a new NYPD report on “radicalization” may result in all U.S. Muslims being viewed with suspicion.

They make that sound like a bad thing.

233 EmeraldLakeEyes  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 9:12:54am

WOW Don't know what I did to get that.

234 abolitionist  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 9:19:22am

re: #219 EmeraldLakeEyes

CYA = Cover Your Ass

--often used in workplace and political environs

235 monsonman  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 9:22:48am

I already view all Muslims suspiciously. Until someone can tell me difference btween the "good" ones and the "bad" ones, I always will. Better safe than sorry,

236 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 9:38:45am

re: #117 Buck

re: #40 Ward Cleaver

My point is that it is obvious.

I knew that, I was just messing with you.

/who could hate bingo?

237 rtheyserius  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 9:38:50am
"(CAIR) said today that a new NYPD report on 'radicalization' may result in all U.S. Muslims being viewed with suspicion."

CAIR is quite right. When the truth is told, viewing all Muslims with suspicion is a rational reaction.

238 cosmo  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 9:40:19am

re: #139 cbinflux

Denial really isn't just a river in Egypt, then...

239 Nevergiveup  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 9:40:22am

One has to wonder if the NYPD has lost the phone number or address of the NY Board of Education. If there is ongoing and growing radicalization of the local
Muslim population, maybe it is not such a great idea to create a Madrassah right in the middle of NYC. That would like providing radical Muslim imams to the prison population- oh sorry we do that already don't we.
Okay never mind

240 cosmo  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 9:40:51am

re: #234 abolitionist

CYA = Change Your Alibi

Often used in Kennedy political situations.

241 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 9:41:12am

Charles was just on the Prager show...870 AM, Los Angeles...KRLA but I only heard about one minute of it. Talking about the Wiki editing and KOS. Prager gave LGF a good plug.

242 Mostly Annoyed  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 9:57:31am

re: #105 Geepers

Ben Hur (#81),

Somehow, no one sees that "spit in the face" comment as bigotry.

Funny that, isn't it?

I think it's because people expect muslims to hate Jews.

Muslims hate EVERYONE including other sects of islam. They want to kill the Jews first, then the rest of the "infidels" and then they can get on with fighting each other over what is the true islam.

Let them continue and it will never end, unless Iran gets nuclear weapons and kills everyone on the planet.

243 peck  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:19:03am

[Link: www.familysecuritymatters.org...]
Too bad this trial in Dallas isn't televised. Juxtaposing info from the trial with other current events is enlightening. Everyone should have the opportunity to be so enlightened.

244 licdiv2  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:20:31am

if cair is upset, it has to be a good and accurate report. they only get hysterical when the light shines on the cockroach nest.

245 IndependentCalGuyinTX  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:28:13am

As long as US Muslims show more loyalty to their death cult than the country that makes their freedom possible, then I will most certainly view them with suspicion. As for non-American muslims, get the hell out of our country, all you do is destroy everything you touch, and enslave all human beings!

246 peck  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:00:58am

re: #159 NoSubmission

LOL. I did notice Bloomberg's assertion that you can't punish someone for what they do outside the office. But he sure can tell them what they can't eat. Interesting place, NY.

247 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:25:17am

Do they read and follow the Koran? If they don't they are not Muslims, they are infidels and are the target of these Islamists. A Muslim will not be governed by anything or anyone but allah (I refuse to use a capitol in that stinkin name)re: #113 Cygnus

248 mondoreb  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 12:09:38pm

re: #112 cpuller

Muslims constantly killing people has cast a pall of suspicion over all Muslims. SIAP.

I think the pall of suspicion will go down as the number of pipe-bombers named Abdul go down.

How many have been caught just in the last week?

249 mondoreb  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 12:15:24pm

re: #157 Venezuela lover

How can muslims complain about profiling when they themselves have created the profile?

And another arrow of truth flies from the quiver...

250 Owl  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 1:47:03pm

...as do I.

251 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 3:32:27pm

re: #183 Kreuzueber Halbmond

No police dogs invited I presume.

252 AZDave  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 5:20:02pm

re: #15 Yanqui in Europe

“Is Islamic attire [...], which is something recommended by leaders of all faiths, now to be regarded as suspicious behavior?”

Islamic attire is recommended by leaders of all faiths.

Are belts made of TNT considered NOT suspicious?

253 AZDave  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 5:28:16pm

re: #12 Ben Hur

Report: UNSC to reject Israeli request to expand UNIFIL role

Israel wants more 'proactive' role for peacekeepers in Lebanon against Hizbullah; Security Council cites safety concerns for personnel.

*blank stare*

One of those UN guys might get in the way of a bullet/RPG meant for an Israeli. Can't let that happen!

254 siiras  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 7:28:38pm

The rebuttal to CAIR is best given by one of the few truly moderate Muslims who has not been afraid to speak out very publicly, Salim Mansur, a Canadian professor and columnist:

"jihad (war) through terrorism is explicitly designed to wreck the relationship between non-Muslims and Muslims by inflicting irreparable damage to the functioning of trust between them.
The vast majority of Muslims who are not Islamists and fear the Islamist agenda, in remaining silent or in being irresolute in publicly opposing the Islamists, has done little in restoring the trust between themselves and non-Muslims that has been so severely undermined.
Muslims today and in the years to come will have none to blame but themselves for failing to do what is right in unconditionally and publicly repudiating Islamists, and repairing the trust by which our world functions.
It is so far the decency of people in the West that they have not drawn a wall Islamists are hard at work in erecting to separate themselves from Muslims as untrustworthy. If this occurs Muslims will be greatly responsible for their own misfortune".

(The highlighting is mine. Sorry I don't have the link, but it was published in July 07)


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Carl Orestes Franzoni...is *freaky* down to his toe nails. Some day he will live next door to you and your lawn will die. -- Liner notes for "Hungry Freaks, Daddy" on "Freak Out!"

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