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Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 10:00:58 am PDT

Coming up at 11 am Pacific time, the verdict in the trial of Jose Padilla: Verdict reached in Padilla terror case.

MIAMI - A verdict was reached Thursday in the trial of Jose Padilla and two co-defendants charged with supporting al-Qaida and other violent Islamic extremist groups overseas.

The jury verdict was scheduled to be read at 2 p.m. EDT before U.S. District Judge Marcia Cooke in Miami’s downtown federal courthouse, according to an announcement from her chambers. The jury of seven men and five women deliberated for about a day and a half following a three-month trial.

Padilla, Adham Amin Hassoun and Kifah Wael Jayyousi face possible life in prison if convicted of all three charges in the case.

The Bush administration portrayed Padilla, a 36-year-old U.S. citizen and Muslim convert, as a committed al-Qaida terrorist and cast his 2002 arrest at Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport as an important victory in the war against terrorism less than a year after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.

The charges brought in civilian court, however, were a pale shadow of the initial “dirty bomb” claims in part because Padilla was interrogated about the plot in military custody with no lawyer present and was not read his Miranda rights.

UPDATE at 8/16/07 11:31:33 am:

Padilla and co-defendants are guilty. Maximum sentence is life in prison.

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1 pat  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:02:45am

More on ICE letting in terrorists for bribes and the governments refusal to investigate.
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

2 ted  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:03:01am

Fry him!

3 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:03:40am
4 pat  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:04:04am

Padilla's defense was "I was normal Bush made me crazy". It should have been " I was normal until a death cult called Islam drove me crazy".

5 NoSubmission  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:04:36am

Wasn't that asshole Padilla originally from Brooklyn?

Hey, Padilla, you are no longer a New Yorker! FU ! Fry in Hell.!

6 rasachema  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:04:37am

Good!

7 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:05:25am
8 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:06:49am

Pat,
How's the surf?!

9 pat  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:08:17am

Surf is up but sloppy. Hurricane, earthquake and Tsunami alerts in one week here. LOL

10 Macker  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:08:37am

He's not eligible for Death, is he?

11 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:09:13am

re: #10 Macker

He's not eligible for Death, is he?

Nope, just life.

Wonder how this will come down?

12 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:09:25am
13 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:09:53am
14 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:10:16am

re: #10 Macker

Nope. Life in prison. The Jury didn't spend much time dileberating so I'm guessing it's guilty on all counts

15 NoSubmission  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:10:35am

Let's hope there's a better federal judge in this trial than the idiot who gave Lynne Stewart 28 months, of which she has served NONE to date.

16 Carridine  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:11:35am

re: #11 Ward Cleaver

re: #10 Macker
He's not eligible for Death, is he?

Nope, just life.

Wonder how this will come down?

If they only deliberated a day and a half, they've found him guilty.

/and with that, I note its midnight here, and I'm gone!

17 pegcity  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:11:57am

not guilty on account of da joooz

18 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:14:05am

I can't wait for the CAIR press release claiming islamophobia and fears of backlash.

19 NoSubmission  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:14:26am

Okay, so the judge has some sense... gives me hope.
Judge Rejects 'Defensive Jihad' Argument

A cornerstone of the defense during the nearly three-month trial was the idea that Islamic teaching provides for legitimate "defensive jihad," which differs from terrorism because it is meant to counter aggression against Muslims and does not threaten innocent people.

But Hassoun attorney Ken Swartz said his closing argument will not focus on whether violent actions might have been justified. Swartz said he plans to emphasize that any money or supplies provided to overseas groups was meant for humanitarian assistance.

20 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:14:45am

re: #18 Killgore Trout

I can't wait for the CAIR press release claiming islamophobia and fears of backlash.


The meltdown at DU and Kos will be fun to watch as well.

21 infidelesto  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:15:44am

My guess is guilty: Life in prison, no parole
This cockroach should never be let out.

22 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:16:11am

re: #17 pegcity

not guilty on account of da joooz

Remember, he's hispanic: the hoooz

23 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:16:33am
24 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:16:38am
25 Dianna  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:17:05am

re: #19 NoSubmission

That makes me roll my eyes and say, "Oh, please!"

I wonder how the jury felt?

26 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:18:45am

How many future jihadists will he convert in prison?

27 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:18:46am

Editor Of London Daily "Al-Quds Al-Arabi": Nasrallah's "Surprise" Could Be Chemical, Biological Warheads

The editor of the London daily Al-Quds Al-Arabi, 'Abd Al-Bari 'Atwan, wrote in the paper that it could be concluded that the "surprise" to which Hizbullah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah referred in an August 14 speech was that Hizbullah possessed missiles with chemical and biological warheads.

'Atwan wrote that the next war could be "the last war in the region, and therefore the sides participating in it will not hesitate to use all the weapons in their rucksacks."

'Atwan added that it would not be surprising or strange if Hizbullah used weapons of mass destruction in any new conflict.

//Wonder who he's rooting for?

28 Rogue198  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:18:47am

If he's guilty, I'll get to smash my favorite BDS suffer's nose in his comp screen again...(he holds Padilla up time and again as evidence of Bushitler's rounding up innocent American citizens in the name of WOT)

If they find him innocent...I'll never hear the end of it ;)

29 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:18:58am

re: #20 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

There are some good komments already...
Verdict Reached in Padilla Case

Fear is being used to poison the minds of the jurors, and fear almost always wins out over reason when presented by authority figures in a courtroom.

This trial is not be conducted based upon evidence; we have become a nation gripped by terror.

Bin-Laden wins.
We lose.

I'd be very surprised if he is found not guilty. It would give me some hope that people are not sheep. History shows that any optimism is unwarranted.

There's plenty more where that came from.

30 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:19:25am

re: #23 Iron Fist

re: #20 The Pulchritudinous Patriot,

Don't forget the DNC's reaction. This should be fun. Unless, of course, they find him not guilty.

Then it'll suck :-(

It will suck indeed. I still have faith in the justice system, tho.

31 maddogg  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:20:17am

Taxfree says he is Apache. I would bet they could concoct a fitting punishment.

/anthills and honey, anyone?

32 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:20:21am

Mandela.

Biko.

Sharansky.

Barghoutti.

Suu Kyi.

Vanunnu.

Padilla.

/pick a card, any card.

33 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:20:39am

re: #26 MandyManners

How many future jihadists will he convert in prison?


It depends on where he goes. If it's the Super max (where the shoe bomber is) then he's in solitary 23/7

34 SpringheelJack  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:20:39am

Perhaps once he sees who he'll be sharing a cell with, he'll be more cooperative

35 Rogue198  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:20:52am

re: #29 Killgore Trout

re: #20 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

There are some good komments already...
Verdict Reached in Padilla Case


Fear is being used to poison the minds of the jurors, and fear almost always wins out over reason when presented by authority figures in a courtroom.

This trial is not be conducted based upon evidence;

Hehe, the only recent trial not based upon evidence was Patrick's Fitz-fong's persecution of Scooter Libby

36 Bobibutu  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:21:05am

re: #26 MandyManners

How many future jihadists will he convert in prison?

He will most likely wind up in solitary in a supermax ... so I would say nada, zip, zero.

37 Silhouette  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:21:08am

And of course, they still tell us the sex of the jurors. How can we "sexist" Americans stop being sexist if you are continually telling us the sex of people in situations where it matters not a whit?

They're delivering a criminal verdict, not opening stuck jar lids. ;-)

38 allah this  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:21:10am

re: #22 cbinflux

re: #17 pegcity


not guilty on account of da joooz

Remember, he's hispanic: the hoooz

I always thought it was pronounced 'yooos' in Spanish.

39 Jay777  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:21:29am
40 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:22:44am

re: #22 cbinflux

Hey, watch what you're saying. Hesus was a hoo!

41 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:23:06am

re: #27 cbinflux

Editor Of London Daily "Al-Quds Al-Arabi": Nasrallah's "Surprise" Could Be Chemical, Biological Warheads


The editor of the London daily Al-Quds Al-Arabi, 'Abd Al-Bari 'Atwan, wrote in the paper that it could be concluded that the "surprise" to which Hizbullah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah referred in an August 14 speech was that Hizbullah possessed missiles with chemical and biological warheads.

'Atwan wrote that the next war could be "the last war in the region, and therefore the sides participating in it will not hesitate to use all the weapons in their rucksacks."

'Atwan added that it would not be surprising or strange if Hizbullah used weapons of mass destruction in any new conflict.


//Wonder who he's rooting for?

[Link: www.memritv.org...]

[Link: www.memritv.org...]

[Link: www.memritv.org...]

[Link: www.memritv.org...]

42 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:23:36am

re: #38 allah this

Only by Sunni hispanics
/

43 paxnhymn  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:24:13am

oooh...Life sentence...no Virgins/raisins...no martyrdom...

that's too bad...


///!

44 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:24:17am

re: #40 Spenser (with an S)

re: #22 cbinflux

Hey, watch what you're saying. Hesus was a hoo!

And still is today.

45 bosforus  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:24:41am

re: #1 pat

More on ICE letting in terrorists for bribes and the governments refusal to investigate.
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

despite the severity of the potential security breaches, most are not investigated "due to lack of resources" in the agency's internal affairs department.

That's the kind of crap that gets me angry. Let's spend millions of dollars fixing spaceships but when it comes to investigating extremists and the americans that aide them, we just don't have the money for that

46 Q-Burn  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:26:38am

re: #39 Jay777

Allahpundit says:

Three-month trial, “hundreds” of wiretapped conversations to sift through, and yet they’ve reached a decision after fully one day of deliberations. Anyone think they’re going to convict?

I don't they are.

47 paxnhymn  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:26:40am

re: #44 cbinflux

re: #40 Spenser (with an S)


re: #22 cbinflux

Hey, watch what you're saying. Hesus was a hoo!


And still is today.

Hesus was a hoo? That's sounds so...Dr. Suessish!

48 Dianna  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:26:58am

re: #29 Killgore Trout

I love their confidence in their fellow citizens.

Juries generally arrive at the right conclusion; average people are not sheep, and don't deserve such contempt.

49 Tumulus11  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:28:33am

. 1. Too little is known about the effects of human exposure to the aftermath of a 'dirty bomb'.

2. There still are many isolated and uninhabited Pacific atolls.

3. Jose Padilla's schedule will be clearing soon.

50 Macker  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:28:36am

re: #21 infidelesto

My guess is guilty: Life in prison, no parole
This cockroach should never be let out.

Ya think they might send him to SuperMax?

51 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:30:09am

re: #33 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Is that the one in Canon City, CO?

52 NoSubmission  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:31:35am

re: #35 Rogue198
ahhhrgh!
I clicked on your link! LOL

from the halls of KOS
---

I'm listening to an interview on "Democracy Now!"
...with forensic psychiatrist Dr. Angela Hegarty, who interviewed Padilla for 22 hours.

What happened at the brig was essentially the destruction of a human being's mind. That’s what happened at the brig. His personality was deconstructed and reformed.

Audio, transcript.

Absolutely fucking horrific.


---
Here's the kosling's link from Democracy Now!
EXCLUSIVE: An Inside Look at How U.S. Interrogators Destroyed the Mind of Jose Padilla

53 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:33:39am

re: #28 Rogue198

If he's guilty, I'll get to smash my favorite BDS suffer's nose in his comp screen again...(he holds Padilla up time and again as evidence of Bushitler's rounding up innocent American citizens in the name of WOT)

If they find him innocent...I'll never hear the end of it ;)

Again?

If he's found guilty, your BDS friend won't accept that verdict. He'll say there was jury tampering or that Padilla couldn't possibly get a fair trail in Bush's dictatorship. Facts do not exist to these people.

54 Rogue198  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:38:46am

re: #53 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #28 Rogue198


If he's guilty, I'll get to smash my favorite BDS suffer's nose in his comp screen again...(he holds Padilla up time and again as evidence of Bushitler's rounding up innocent American citizens in the name of WOT)

If they find him innocent...I'll never hear the end of it ;)


Again?

If he's found guilty, your BDS friend won't accept that verdict. He'll say there was jury tampering or that Padilla couldn't possibly get a fair trail in Bush's dictatorship. Facts do not exist to these people.

Well, I just finished destroying one of his "the surge is actually failing links" (thing referenced Lancet multiple times), I also crushed him on his ballayhooing a poll that Ron Paul one..(a unscientific one of course). It's been a bad week for him. ;)

Oh I'm aware he won't accept it, and he'll go off on some rant about Bushitler and Jews (then claim he's not anti-semetic, just anti-zionist) and make himself look even more like the deranged lunatic he is :)

55 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:39:19am

re: #53 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That's trial not trail, of course. PIMF my read.

56 maddogg  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:40:14am

How the hell do you suppose the Koslings got their minds destroyed? Certainly, there are not enough U.S. Interrogators to go around?

Mail order mind destruction? Genetic defects missed by natural selection? Bad dope?

57 HDrepub  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:41:17am

re: #51 MandyManners

Yup. but actually Mandy its location is Florence, just a little east of Canon City. Impressive from Highway 50 going in to Canon City. Lots of shiny razor wire atop the TALL fence..

58 Rogue198  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:41:33am

dang...we're all misspelling stuff...hummm...who to blame? I mean there are so many candidates:

Rove
Jews
Bush
Global Warming...

decisions, decisions...

59 sharona  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:41:36am

#5 NoSubmission:

Wasn't that asshole Padilla originally from Brooklyn?


No way, Jose (lol)! Padilla (Why is his name now pronounced "Puh-Dill-Uh" and not "Puh-Dee-Yuh"? Blatant attempt to de-Latino-ize him, IMO) is a former resident of Chicago's Humboldt Park neighborhood.

60 Sevoguy  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:42:16am

The day Padilla converted to islam he was sentenced to HELL.

ISLAM = Satan = HELL

61 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:49:58am

re: #56 maddogg

How the hell do you suppose the Koslings got their minds destroyed? Certainly, there are not enough U.S. Interrogators to go around?

Mail order mind destruction? Genetic defects missed by natural selection? Bad dope?

Zionist Mind Control Rays!

62 Bud Norton  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:50:01am

Charles,

The headline "A verdict for Padilla" sounds, to me anyway, like the verdict was announced in his favor. I followed the link from Michelle Malkin's site with trepidation. What a relief to see that I misunderstood (hopefully more than temporary relief).

63 Yogurt  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:57:18am

Any live feed?

64 peck  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:05:26am

re: #63 Yogurt

Fox is finally on it just this minute.

65 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:11:18am

re: #59 sharona

He was, indeed, born in Brooklyn, sadly.

[...]That day, Mr. Padilla, a Brooklyn-born Muslim convert whom the Bush administration had accused of plotting a dirty bomb attack and had detained without charges, got to go to the dentist. [...]

66 mom's no dhimmi  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:12:28am

re: #58 Rogue198

dang...we're all misspelling stuff...hummm...who to blame? I mean there are so many candidates:

Rove
Jews
Bush
Global Warming...

decisions, decisions...

You forgot Ron Paul.

67 DeafDog  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:13:55am

re: #61 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #56 maddogg


How the hell do you suppose the Koslings got their minds destroyed? Certainly, there are not enough U.S. Interrogators to go around?

Mail order mind destruction? Genetic defects missed by natural selection? Bad dope?


Zionist Mind Control Rays!

I think the mind was destroyed after 3 1/2 years of solitary confinement.

If he's guilty, he should be condemed to death.

That said, he's an American citizen and - in my opinion - should not have had to wait this long for his day in court. Having to wait this long is bad PR, at a minimum. But really, it's also a violation of his rights and we should not be proud of that.

68 sharona  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:17:33am

NY Nana:

See? Brooklyn revoked his privileges long before he could embarass them. Chicago's Latino community would welcome him back with open arms.

69 cygnus  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:21:30am

re: #56 maddogg

How the hell do you suppose the Koslings got their minds destroyed? Certainly, there are not enough U.S. Interrogators to go around?

Mail order mind destruction? Genetic defects missed by natural selection? Bad dope?

Assimilation by the Borg Collective - Islamofascist branch.

70 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:22:33am

re: #68 sharona

I hope that the electric chair will embrace him...

Poor Chicago! :)

71 mean Gene  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:25:00am

Phew!

72 sffilk  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:30:26am

According to the "breaking news" bar at [Link: www.msnbc.com...] - Padilla has been found guilty of all 3 counts.

73 sffilk  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:31:25am

re: #69 cygnus

Assimilation by the Borg Collective - Islamofascist branch

Please, do not equate the Borg with the Islamofascists. You'd be insulting the Borg!

74 leepro  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:41:13am

re: #72 sffilk

According to the "breaking news" bar at [Link: www.msnbc.com...] - Padilla has been found guilty of all 3 counts.

Located, apprehended and convicted because...

The ethnically diverse panel of seven men and five women heard witness accounts and dozens of phone conversations intercepted by the FBI, most of them in Arabic, during an investigation spanning 1993 to 2001.


surveillance works!

75 peck  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:49:01am

re: #74 leepro

Plays havoc with the 'diversity is good' argument, though. A reall bummer when a great liberal value backfires like that./

76 leepro  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 12:00:51pm

re: #75 peck

re: #74 leepro

Plays havoc with the 'diversity is good' argument, though. A reall bummer when a great liberal value backfires like that./

"...liberal value..."
Isn't that an oxymoron?

77 cosmo  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 12:11:46pm

Put him on an inner tube directly in the path of Dean (not Howard).

78 Catttt  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 12:19:41pm

re: #73 sffilk

re: #69 cygnus

Assimilation by the Borg Collective - Islamofascist branch

Please, do not equate the Borg with the Islamofascists. You'd be insulting the Borg!

I agree. The Borg assimilate, but in so doing, they take a group's technological and cultural distinctiveness and add it to their own, so they are constantly evolving.

79 Highrise  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 12:35:03pm

Sad that the penalty for what he's done isn't death.

80 at night  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 12:36:52pm

Pat Benatar said it all :

"You come on with a come on, you don't fight fair
But thats o.k., see if I care!
Knock me down, its all in vain
Ill get right back on my feet again!

Hit me with your best shot!
Why don't you hit me with your best shot!
Hit me with your best shot!
Fire away!"

If the terrorists do indeed decide to hit one of their big enemy's... it had better be one hell of a knock out punch! the retribution will come swift and hard... there will be no soft targets or quarter...can you say MECCA ... The very real probability of turning their country into the 9th Wonder of the World...ie: Largest mirror... most certainly exists.
end of rant and back to Pat!>/i>

81 sffilk  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 1:41:30pm

re: #78 Cattt

I agree. The Borg assimilate, but in so doing, they take a group's technological and cultural distinctiveness and add it to their own, so they are constantly evolving.

Thank you, Cattt.

82 Math Guique  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 5:18:14pm

re: #38 allah this

For some reason, when Spanish speakers are speaking English they often pronounce the consonant "y" like a "j". Many years ago I had a student from Colombia whose English was a little halting. He had a heavy accent and tended to say one word at a time and use his hands a lot. Once he started a sentence by pointing to me and saying "Jew." I wondered how he had figured it out.


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