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Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 10:23:08 am PDT

Saudi-funded radical front group CAIR is trying to pressure the government into removing them from the list of unindicted co-conspirators in the Hamas funding trial in Dallas: Muslim Groups Oppose a List of ‘Co-Conspirators’.

The New York Times has not covered any of the evidence linking CAIR to Hamas that’s come out in the trial, but they eagerly promote CAIR’s claims of “demonization.”

Two prominent Muslim American organizations took steps yesterday to reverse what they called a Justice Department effort to smear the entire Muslim community by naming some of its largest organizations as unindicted co-conspirators in a Texas terrorism trial.

The National Association of Muslim Lawyers, which is not named, sent a letter to Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales objecting to the list, which it said breached the department’s own guidelines against releasing the names of unindicted co-conspirators and did not serve any clear law enforcement purpose.

The letter, also signed by the National Association of Criminal Defense Attorneys, said the “overreaching list” of more than 300 organizations and individuals would further cripple charitable donations to Muslim organizations and could ratchet up the discrimination faced by American Muslims since the Sept. 11 attacks.

In addition, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR, which is on the list, announced that it would file a brief today asking Judge A. Joe Fish of the United States District Court for the Northern District of Texas to remove its name and all others from the list.

The brief, a copy of which was released yesterday, says the list furthers a pattern of the “demonization of all things Muslim” that has unrolled in the United States since 2001.

“Most people don’t understand what an unindicted co-conspirator is,” said Parvez Ahmed, CAIR’s board chairman, adding that the release of the list prompted death threats and hate mail against the council. “They think that being related to a terrorism case means we are terrorists.”

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1 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:24:22am
2 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:24:51am

“They think that being related to a terrorism case means we are terrorists.”
---

No...We think you are sympathizers and enablers.

3 Rogue198  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:24:54am

I'll take a page from Kos:

"Screw Them"

I want them to stop funding/defending terrorists...they stop that, we'll remove them...

...and charge them separately

4 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:25:31am
The letter, also signed by the National Association of Criminal Defense Attorneys, said the “overreaching list” of more than 300 organizations and individuals would further cripple charitable donations to Muslim organizations and could ratchet up the discrimination faced by American Muslims since the Sept. 11 attacks.

Stated as fact.

Not alleged.

Not reports of...

5 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:25:32am
6 Cheesehead  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:25:40am

Maybe if they simply stopped BEING co-conspirators...Hmmm?

7 bulwrk  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:25:49am

I want to look like Brad Pitt

8 zmdavid  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:25:52am

If we indict them, they'd be off the list.

9 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:25:56am

"CAIR can go to Hell and take their 72 virgins with them."

10 sifty  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:26:04am

He's right. I think they are terrorists, and eventually some of them will be found out to be terrorists.

11 mrsoc  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:26:11am
CAIR Wants to Be Removed from 'Unindicted Co-Conspirator' List


I imagine they do, but if the shoe fits...

12 trailortrash  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:26:22am

change "Unindicted Co-Conspirator"
to "indicted Co-Conspirator"
problem solved...

13 licdiv2  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:26:31am

cair needs to be put on few more lists, not taken off any. they know they are "DIRTY" even sulfuric acid won't take away the stain or smell.

14 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:26:53am
“Most people don’t understand what an unindicted co-conspirator is,” said Parvez Ahmed, CAIR’s board chairman

Yet again another thing that we don't understand.

15 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:26:56am

Well, of course they do.

16 bosforus  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:27:28am

CAIR asking Gonzalez to remove them from the list gives me the same feeling as PETA getting mad at hamas. are you insanse?

17 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:27:33am
18 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:27:34am

Same old tactic.

Blame the reaction to the problem, not the problem.

19 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:27:45am

In other news ,,,

Mike Vick wants to be added to PETA's board of directors

Bill Clinton wants to be named Husband of the Year

Micheal Moore wants to be Weight Watchers poster boy

Al Sharpton takes a vow of silence

Jesse Jackson releases all his financial records (even the "second" set of bookeeping)

20 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:27:57am

People in Hell want ice water.

21 wargammer2005[deleted]  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:28:07am
22 TimeQuake  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:28:08am
“They think that being related to a terrorism case means we are terrorists.”

/insert evil laughter here.

23 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:28:19am

Indicted them, they're no longer "unidicted".

Problem solved

24 MarkX  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:28:21am
They think that being related to a terrorism case means we are terrorists.

Well. That's close enough for me.

25 Cheesehead  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:28:43am

re: #14 Ben Hur

These morons assume everyone are as stupid as their core supporters.

26 Judith  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:28:46am

re: #7 bulwrk

I want to look like Brad Pitt

LOL! And I want my 24 inch waistline back.

27 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:29:11am

"They think that being related to a terrorism case means we are terrorists."

No, that isn't why we think you are terrorists. We think you are terrorists bent on destroying our society as we know and love it because your religion, your "book" and your leaders say so over and over and over.

28 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:29:39am

re: #17 Iron Fist

re: #4 Ben Hur,

There's 3000 dead Americans that should be alive. CAIR can get back to me when they are.

Glad to see someone still as PISSED OFF as I am about 9-11.

29 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:29:46am
“They think that being related to a terrorism case means we are terrorists.”

Correction...you are terrorists.

30 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:30:06am

re: #25 Cheesehead

re: #14 Ben Hur

These morons assume everyone are as stupid as their core supporters.

What crap.

WE're wrong because we are unable to understand Arabic, with it's millions of tranlations.

We just can't understand Islam or Jihad.

We just don't understand anything.

31 sifty  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:30:07am

Apparently re-reading the same book over and over again and memorizing it makes people believe that they have some type of greater grasp of the universe. Pretty tired of these backwards assholes getting on TV and telling me how stupid I am.

"most people don't understand"

32 independentCalguyinTX  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:30:28am

As soon as they are convicted tey will be removed from that list and placed on another list which is more correct than the unindicted list! Screw you CAIR, get out of our country!

33 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:30:39am
34 Judith  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:30:44am

re: #28 experiencedtraveller

I never stopped being pissed off about that either.

35 Texas Joel  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:30:47am

re: #20 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

People in Hell want ice water.

People in cabs want assistance dogs.

36 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:31:04am

re: #35 Texas Joel

re: #20 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


People in Hell want ice water.

People in cabs want assistance dogs.

Very good!

37 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:31:05am

DA: Georgia Sheriff Confessed to Ordering Hit on Sheriff-Elect
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

/I shot the Sherriff...

38 peck  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:31:05am

Based on the info. coming out of the trial, they must want to move the the more correct status of indicted.

39 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:31:06am
40 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:31:19am

Buncha' shit-slinging monkeys.

41 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:31:21am

re: #28 experiencedtraveller

re: #17 Iron Fist


re: #4 Ben Hur,

There's 3000 dead Americans that should be alive. CAIR can get back to me when they are.


Glad to see someone still as PISSED OFF as I am about 9-11.


Your anger isn't important.

The anger of the fake rent-a-mob "Arab street" is what matters to the NYTimes.

Your anger is jingoism and yellow journalism.

42 Doda Mccheesle  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:31:29am

“They think that being related to a terrorism case means we are terrorists.”

They should go back to their council of lawyers and ask about something called "being an accomplice". In most states, if you are with someone (either physically or by providing support) who commits murder, you can also be charged with murder...

"But your Honor, I was just driving the getaway car-- I didn't shoot the clerk"...

43 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:31:39am

Sic the IRS on em.

44 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:31:48am
45 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:31:49am

Lunch time.

46 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:31:53am

re: #35 Texas Joel

re: #20 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


People in Hell want ice water.

People in cabs want assistance dogs.

And people in CABS also want to carry their LEGAL LIQUOR in closed bottles home

47 Just_A_Grunt  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:32:23am
more than 300 organizations and individuals would further cripple charitable donations to Muslim organizations and could ratchet up the discrimination faced by American Muslims since the Sept. 11 attacks.


and this

pattern of the “demonization of all things Muslim” that has unrolled in the United States since 2001.


plus this

“They think that being related to a terrorism case means we are terrorists.”


I have to agree with except for that discrimination thing. I don't have to get bit by a rattlesnake to know enough to stay away from it. That ain't discrimination that is prudent.

48 wargammer2005  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:33:03am

re: #28 experiencedtraveller

a lot of us are still very pissed off about 9/11

our goverment got to a good start, but on 10/11 or so, they lost their way, as did most of the rest of the country.

people want easy answers, fast victories or it is not worth their time.
that is the basis of liberal goverment, let the goverment solves all your problems and you will never have to deal with it again.

at this point it will take the death of a US city or more to focus the nation.

49 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:33:04am

As long as CAIR supports women getting driver's license phots in full burkha, and the right of Muslim religious leaders to purposely act suspiciously on airplanes, they are indeed acting to support terrorism.


They should be indicted co-conspirators.

50 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:33:20am
51 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:33:51am

I have no problem not calling them "terrorists" any more.
That is a tactic. Not a good description of what they are.

Lets call them what they are.

THE ENEMY

52 Infidelsalwayswin  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:33:59am

“They think that being related to a terrorism case means we are terrorists.”

Those infidel morons! Somebody should cut their heads off and rape their womenfolk and children (and tasty-looking pets).

53 Judith  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:34:42am

Anyone been following the editing going on about the CAIR entry on Wiki? They have now split off two topics CAIR and Criticism of CAIR. Plus someone is running around editing out connections of radical Muslims to CAIR. CAIR is definitely being hurt.

Example: Shahina Siddiqui is executive director of CAIR-Canada and yet someone keeps going in and removing all the links to her links to CAIR and links to her old speeches and articles still on the CAIR-Can website. Of course someone else is putting them right back in.

The rats are deserting the sinking ship.

54 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:34:44am

re: #44 Iron Fist

He was going to, but it was a rainy, rainy, rainy night...

55 Judith  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:35:11am

re: #43 hous bin pharteen

Now that is a scary thought.

56 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:35:19am
57 NoSubmission  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:35:36am

I'd like CAIR removed from the United States of America.

58 MarkX  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:35:48am

re: #37 cbinflux

DA: Georgia Sheriff Confessed to Ordering Hit on Sheriff-Elect
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

/I shot the Sherriff...

But I did not shoot the deputy.

59 Just_A_Grunt  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:36:21am

re: #37 cbinflux

DA: Georgia Sheriff Confessed to Ordering Hit on Sheriff-Elect
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

/I shot the Sherriff...

Good 'ol Dekalb County home of Cynthia McKinney and Vernon Jordan, who wants to be Georgias next Demoncrat senator. It is an old story but I guess the only new news is he confessed. He is already serving life after being convicted of plotting to kill the sheriff.

60 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:36:32am

re: #19 sattv4u2

Forgot one!

/Shillary releases her (?) White House records

Not!

61 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:36:56am

re: #52 Infidelsalwayswin

You forgot your sarc tag.

62 alpheus  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:37:04am

If the Islamics want to stop "discrimination" against them at large gatherings and airports, maybe they should stop killing people with airplanes, and doing suicide bombings. That could go a long way to stopping DESERVED "discrimination."

63 mrsoc  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:37:09am

re: #20 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

People in Hell want ice water.

Now that's funny.

64 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:37:16am

re: #31 sifty

Remember, they invented the "0". Course they've done just about that for the last 1200 years.

65 Jheka  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:37:53am

Kinda O/T:

Washington DC mosque faces allegations of spreading hate and radicalism.

It's in the neighborhood ... maybe I'll swing by ...

66 Sevoguy  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:38:34am

I feel very sorry for the Satanic believers of muhammad. They are the unclean. I can't even touch a koran. In fact we need to "BAN THE KORAN." The koran defiles my country. I don't believe there is such a thing as a moderate muslim.

It will take 1 million American deaths before this country wakes up to the islamic threat it faces.

67 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:39:09am

re: #51 hous bin pharteen

I have no problem not calling them "terrorists" any more.
That is a tactic. Not a good description of what they are.

Lets call them what they are.

THE ENEMY

Indeed.

68 insanity police  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:39:12am
CAIR Wants to Be Removed from 'Unindicted Co-Conspirator' List

and I want CAIR to stop supporting terrorists and terrorist groups.

If I don't get my way, then CAIR certainly shouldn't get theirs.

69 Silhouette  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:39:40am

If they're saying, "Put up or shut up," perhaps we should. Put up, I mean. Indict them, close 'em down.

70 NoSubmission  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:39:45am

re: #65 Jheka

Kinda O/T:
Washington DC mosque faces allegations of spreading hate and radicalism.
It's in the neighborhood ... maybe I'll swing by ...


Bring your dog and don't forget to give him lots and lots of water before you go out.

71 Infidelsalwayswin  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:40:17am

re: #64 Spenser (with an S)

re: #31 sifty

Remember, they invented the "0". Course they've done just about that for the last 1200 years.

Yeah, except they didn't. The - if memory serves correctly - ancient Babylonians did. But then, that hasn't stopped Islam renaming something and passing it off as a 'glorious Islamic invention' before.

72 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:40:40am

re: #43 hous bin pharteen

Sic the IRS on em.

I really hope that's being considered as we speak.

73 republic  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:41:03am

re: #25 Cheesehead

re: #14 Ben Hur

These morons assume everyone are as stupid as their core supporters.

CAIRs "core supporters", besides the near entire Demokrat party, are a bit less than 3000 of the 3 million Muslims in America.

Boy oh boy, they sure have majority of support from their own, NOT!

74 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:41:04am
75 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:41:22am

re: #43 hous bin pharteen

Sic the IRS on em.

Use quotation marks when you quote Bill Clinton.

Not lunch time just yet apparently.

76 mrsoc  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:42:14am

re: #34 Judith

re: #28 experiencedtraveller

I never stopped being pissed off about that either.

As soon as I can start a day without breathing medications I will stop being angry. (No, I really won't-even if I could run up the stairs and I had all the platelets I would ever need-I would still hate them.)

77 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:42:16am

re: #59 Just_A_Grunt

Tribes

78 republic  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:42:43am

re: #66 Sevoguy

I feel very sorry for the Satanic believers of muhammad. They are the unclean. I can't even touch a koran. In fact we need to "BAN THE KORAN." The koran defiles my country. I don't believe there is such a thing as a moderate muslim.

It will take 1 million American deaths before this country wakes up to the islamic threat it faces.

Half of all Americans dead wouldn't be enough to change the minds of the kook left, and that includes the leftist Demokrats.

79 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:42:43am

re: #63 mrsoc

re: #20 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


People in Hell want ice water.

Now that's funny.

TYTYVM.

80 justamomof4  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:44:40am
The letter, also signed by the National Association of Criminal Defense Attorneys, said the “overreaching list” of more than 300 organizations and individuals


I'd like to become familiar with that list . . .could prove useful. Anyone got a link?

81 bulwrk  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:44:43am

So according to CAIR logic the names of innocent John Doe's should be made public but those of co-conspiritors should remain confidential.

82 peck  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:45:13am

re: #65 Jheka

Saw that in the WaTi. Sad when this madness strikes so close to home./
Sounds major. Hope the whole thing makes it to prolonged front page coverage. How about a special multi-part investigative piece. Ah, that good old August sunshine in D.C.

83 Bobibutu  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:45:27am

CAIR Wants to Be Removed from 'Unindicted Co-Conspirator' List ...

Waaa ... I want 50 million dollars; a perfect credit score; A new BMW and Mercedes every year and my own private jet.

Get real CAIR - ya gotta earn things altho there are some lefties who would give them to you.

84 XMarine  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:45:32am

The list would, "... further cripple charitable donations to Muslim organizations and could ratchet up the discrimination faced by American Muslims since the Sept. 11 attacks."

What? They would no longer be able to fund terrorists that have murdered an uncountable number of innocents all around the world? And their enablers would no longer escape the ire of the innocents they are trying to kill? What is this world coming to?

/sarc

85 JCM  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:45:52am

They may be onto something.

Unindicted conspirator.

Remove the UN.

86 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:46:26am
87 Harry Tuttle  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:46:44am
“Most people don’t understand what an unindicted co-conspirator is,” said Parvez Ahmed, CAIR’s board chairman
...
“They think that being related to a terrorism case means we are terrorists.”

They really think we are dumb or what?

88 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:47:32am

re: #65 Jheka

Charles, recommended

89 chinesearithmetic  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:47:43am

CAIR is just Murder Incoporated with stationery.

90 Bobibutu  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:47:46am

re: #87 Harry Tuttle

“Most people don’t understand what an unindicted co-conspirator is,” said Parvez Ahmed, CAIR’s board chairman
...
“They think that being related to a terrorism case means we are terrorists.”

They really think we are dumb or what?

Yes on both counts.

91 SeafoodGumbo  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:48:00am

Another article on this from the Dallas Morning News:

he Holy Land Foundation was part of a global network of organizations that raised money from Muslims throughout the world and funneled it to Hamas, according to a second Israeli secret agent who testified under a pseudonym Wednesday.

The testimony of an anonymous agent as an expert witness could be a first in the U.S. legal system. It also could end up being a point of appeal in the event of convictions in the case involving the former Richardson charity and its organizers.

The agent, a lawyer in the counterterrorism section of the Israeli Security Agency, also known as Shin Bet, said that most of Hamas' money "is coming from outside the territories [the West Bank and Gaza], from nongovernmental organizations overseas," particularly the U.S., Europe, the Gulf countries and North Africa.


---snip---

Meanwhile, the Council on American-Islamic Relations said Wednesday that it plans to file a court brief today to demand that the government take CAIR's name off a list of about 300 unindicted co-conspirators in the Holy Land case. CAIR, which says it is the largest Muslim civil rights group in the U.S., also seeks the removal of other Muslim groups and individuals from the list.


I had no idea that there were that many unindicted co-conspirators! 300 is a lottta people.

Also, I wonder if letting the Israeli agent testify anonymously like this isn't a bad idea. I'm all for anything that will convict these terrorists, but allowing someone " to testify as an expert witness under an assumed name" seems like a bad idea. I always try to imagine how a law might be treated under Hillary, and it ought to scare everyone how Hillary judges might abuse the use of anonymous expert witnesses.

/what are those 300 unindicted co-cospirators doing right now?

92 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:48:26am
93 Judith  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:48:39am

CAIR has a lovely PDF about this they titiled urban legends. Lists all their associations with law enforcement agencies. I sure hope that is a case of the FBI keeping their friends close and their enemies closer.

94 Judith  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:50:00am

re: #92 cbinflux

Again? Going to read it.

95 republic  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:50:09am

I have a great, workable solution,

CAIR simply leaves the USA.

96 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:53:15am

re: #41 Ben Hur

I know. And the truth you speak hurts.

97 MrMom  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:54:42am

“They think that being related to a terrorism case means we are terrorists.”

/uh...what?

98 Just_A_Grunt  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:55:47am

This is more related to the dogs in cabs thread but this might be a real reason Muslims hate dogs.

99 Axiom  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:59:30am

Wait, so there are 300 unindicted co-conspirators from CAIR alone, and their total membership is about 50,000. I'd say that sounds like a real problem with my membership ranks.

100 Judith  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:01:36am

re: #98 Just_A_Grunt

This is more related to the dogs in cabs thread but this might be a real reason Muslims hate dogs.

Wonderful article. I LOVE my dogs. They have saved my life more than once. Just last week my little English Bull Terrier fussed and fussed and fussed about going home from my cottage so much we packed up and went home early. She normally loves it out there and there were severe storms forecast. We missed getting pelted with baseball sized hail.

101 Just_A_Grunt  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:03:45am

re: #99 Axiom

Wait, so there are 300 unindicted co-conspirators from CAIR alone, and their total membership is about 50,000. I'd say that sounds like a real problem with my membership ranks.

Actually CAIR's membership numbers are somewhere around 1500. Hard to believe a group with so few members gets so much attention ain't it?

102 Doda Mccheesle  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:04:07am

3,282 killed by Muslims in America in 56 terror attacks, ON U.S. SOIL

Take out those murdered on 9/11/2001 and in the 1993 WTC bombing (how we easily forget that one), and we still have:

280 people murdered by Muslims right here in the USA

www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/AmericanAttacks.h tm

Islamophobia=Fear of Islam/Muslims. Yes, I fear that the muslim getting onto the bus, train, or plain with me will explode or attack, because they have a 1,400 year history of doing such things (look up the origin of the word ASSASSIN btw).

So I guess that makes me Islamophobic.

103 dr. akim ullsheetbay  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:04:12am

re: #28 experiencedtraveller

how could anybody stop being pissed off about 9/11.

i still see it in my head. i still hear it in my ears.

104 justamomof4  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:04:36am

re: #99 Axiom

Wait, so there are 300 unindicted co-conspirators from CAIR alone, and their total membership is about 50,000. I'd say that sounds like a real problem with my membership ranks.

NUMBERS DON"T LIE

An inspection of CAIR’s most recent publicly available IRS Form 990 (2004) shows for that year they received $119,029 in membership dues for that year (line 3). But at $25 per membership (the current rate is $35), that would mean that in 2004,

CAIR only had 4,761 dues-paying members

– less than 5,000 members out of 8 million Muslims in America. This would mean that CAIR only represents 1 out of every 1,680 Muslims. Even if a lower 6 million Muslim population figure were assumed, CAIR would still only be able to claim representation for 1 out of every 1,260 Muslims for that year.

106 Jack Reacher  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:09:08am
“They think that being related to a terrorism case means we are terrorists.”

What are you, the "moderate political wing?"

107 Judith  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:13:19am

re: #76 mrsoc

re: #34 Judith

re: #28 experiencedtraveller

I never stopped being pissed off about that either.

As soon as I can start a day without breathing medications I will stop being angry. (No, I really won't-even if I could run up the stairs and I had all the platelets I would ever need-I would still hate them.)

I have asthma. I get pnemonia a lot. Some day my lungs will kill me and I never smoked cigarettes. Some days my breathing is very bad but most days it is okay and most days I can do whatever I want. I would trade lungs with you if I could. Too bad we can't take the lungs out of one of these healthy young jihads who want to go kill people and save people with their spare parts instead.

108 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:16:11am
99 Axiom 8/16/2007 10:59:30 am PDT reply quote report

Wait, so there are 300 unindicted co-conspirators from CAIR alone, and their total membership is about 50,000. I'd say that sounds like a real problem with my membership ranks.

The Washington Times has CAIR membership at about 1700 (no, I didn't forget a zero) :-)

CAIR Membership Numbers

109 TimeQuake  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:21:58am

re: #64 Spenser (with an S)

I did a paper in college on the number zero and although none of my internet sources, cited for the paper, work now, I have several sites that say that it was first found in Hindu writing and than moved to Arab lands.

[Link: mathmojo.com...]

The first records we have of the symbol we use for 0, is from Hindu writings from the late 9th century.
There was no internet back then, but information still got around. Mostly by camelback, or foot, so it took awhile for 0 to migrate to Arab lands, (probably due to commerce).

[Link: www.math.utoronto.ca...]

The origin of our current notation for the number zero is also unknown, though it is presumed to have originated in India with Hindu mathematicians, somewhere between 500 and 800 A.D. Later the Hindu numerals were employed by the Arabs (and became called "Arabic numerals"), and from them spread into European mathematics.

[Link: www.geocities.com...]

The number zero as we know it was conceived by the Hindus from India. The Hindus were the first to recognize a mathematical representation of concept of no quantity. It had not occurred to earlier civilizations, even to the Greeks, that it would be useful to have a number which represents the absence of any objects.

[Link: www.sciam.com...]

Arab merchants brought the zero they found in India to the West.

110 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:28:12am

And people in hell want ice water.

111 pat  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:28:18am
“Most people don’t understand what an unindicted co-conspirator is,” said Parvez Ahmed, CAIR’s board chairman, adding that the release of the list prompted death threats and hate mail against the council. “They think that being related to a terrorism case means we are terrorists.”

Most people understand that being a co-conspirator with terrorists means exactly that.

112 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:28:56am

I want to be - King of the Popes!

/sctv

113 pat  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:31:14am

re: #109 TimeQuake

In fact in serious mathematical papers on the subject of notational zero, Islam is not even mentioned. It goes from the Indus valley to ancient Greek geometric equations to Rome. I am not aware of the Chinese numerical system. It is well known that the Mayans also had a notational zero.

114 TimeQuake  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:46:32am

re: #113 pat

[Link: www.sciam.com...]

TIMELINE shows the development of zero throughout the world. The first recorded zero appeared in Mesopotamia around 3 B.C. The Mayans invented it independently circa 4 A.D. It was later devised in India in the mid-fifth century, spread to Cambodia near the end of the seventh century, and into China and the Islamic countries at the end of the eighth. Zero reached western Europe in the 12th century.

115 bubbasbbq  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:50:24am

Sucks to be them, doesn't it? CAIR, may a million swine mate with your wives and poop in your footbaths.

116 TimeQuake  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:50:46am

re: #113 pat

The point is, they still have not invented anything, not even "nothing".

117 ElderZionist  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:51:07am

It'd be easy and proper to satisfy their request... indict them!

118 cosmo  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 12:10:09pm

Yeah? Well, I want world peace and water fountain that dispenses chocolate milk. And I've wanted it longer. Get in line, CAIR.

119 Catttt  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 12:13:06pm
“They think that being related to a terrorism case means we are terrorists.”

Silly, ignorant Americans. Imagine thinking that.

/sarc

120 opnion  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 12:20:46pm

I heard Steve Emerson on this, this morning.
He agrees that CAIR should not have been named as an unindicted
co-conspiritor. He believes that they should have been flat out indicted

121 WimbledonWomble  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 12:53:03pm

“Most people don’t understand what an unindicted co-conspirator is,” said Parvez Ahmed, CAIR’s board chairman, adding that the release of the list prompted death threats and hate mail against the council. “They think that being related to a terrorism case means we are terrorists.”

Yes, that's about it. Correct both in terms of what people conclude and what CAIR is.

122 Highrise  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 12:54:44pm

We should go a step further and not allow cair to even be an org due to it's terrorist ties. I think if this happened, I would actually start to believe that we were getting serious on this war on terror.

It's just logical and stupid on our part that they have tax exempt status.

Glad people are keeping the heat on cair and the light shined on. More and more people are becoming aware of who and what they are and I think they are feeling it.

123 Hawk59  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 1:41:26pm

“They think that being related to a terrorism case means we are terrorists.”

Ya think? I certainly do. I make no distinction at all between those that perform terrorist acts, and those that fund them. (and are founded by them).

124 missykrissy  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 1:42:34pm

So they don't want to be unindicted co-conspirators?

Fine with me! Indict them!

125 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 1:50:57pm

'“Most people don’t understand what an unindicted co-conspirator is,” said Parvez Ahmed, CAIR’s board chairman,' You're correct, what it really translates to is that we feel that we have enough information that you are in on the event, but not enough information to convince a grand jury to bring charges. We are thus putting you on notice that you had better behave yourself or the next time we will probably get enough to throw the book at you since we are on to you. It does not mean that you may have even done it, but it appears that you have had some hand in it from our aspect, so watch out.

Of course these folks make it a habit of not keeping their heads down. Thus I dare say that they will get it across the side of the head with a 4x4 one of these days.

I know enough Muslims who are good and kind people that I do not classify Muslims as automatically terrorists, any more than I automatically classify somebody who is Irish as being a member of the IRA. However, the constant whine in the background from CAIR is going to give that impression (many Muslims harbor terrorist inclinations) to Joe Sixpack. CAIR is being profoundly stupid in its approach to relations with the American public.

126 OLDPUPPYMAX  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 1:52:39pm

But Parvez, buddy, you people ARE terrorists. Enabling, supporting, cheering---hell, Khomeini didn't strap on any bombs either (prefering to let the suckers do that) but he was sure as heck a terrorist! Evidently you people use the democrat handbook of definitions for weaseling out of the tight spots.

127 mrsoc  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 1:54:48pm

re: #107 Judith

I have interstitial lung disease. There is non organic matter in my lungs and the pulmonologist suggests that I refrain from inhaling anymore World Trade Centers. I also (rather carelessly) lost about 2/3 of the platelets I used to have (or as the hematologist once observed, "What did you do with the platelets I gave you yesterday?") They go up and down these days but never above 70,000 anymore. Normal would be about 150,000. I have had a heart attack and various and sundry other things that don't usually happen all at once. Before 9/11 I never took a sick day. Meanwhile I am supposed to be forgiving of those who did this to me. I don't think so.
I am sorry you have asthma and know how painful pneumonia can be-although it never ceases to amaze me that doctors will tell you lungs don't hurt (yeah, whatever). I hope you feel better soon-and for a long time.

128 400lb Gorilla  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 2:37:59pm

CUCK FAIR

129 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 4:43:13pm

I smell lefty pinchy.

130 Barbara Skolaut  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 4:53:02pm

Indict 'em. Problem solved.

Oh, wait ... that's not what they mean?

131 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 4:54:15pm
“They think that being related to a terrorism case means we are terrorists.”

I wouldn't say that. I think it's more being related to terrorist organizations that makes you terrorists.

132 Maui Girl  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 5:13:06pm

“They think that being related to a terrorism case means we are terrorists.”

Well, if it smells like dogsh*t...

133 siiras  Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:44:41pm

I posted this on what turned out to be a dead thread and think it's important enough to repost here. If CAIR is going to pretend to represent "moderate Muslims", then it should be organizing rallies showing them as patriotic Americans, not snivelling apologists for Islamic terror or whiners about how Islamic terror impacts on THEM rather than the actual (dead and maimed) victims.

Here's what a real moderate Muslim sounds like, Salim Mansur, a Canadian professor and journalist who puts the blame right where it belongs and credits Westerners with great decency:


"jihad (war) through terrorism is explicitly designed to wreck the relationship between non-Muslims and Muslims by inflicting irreparable damage to the functioning of trust between them.
The vast majority of Muslims who are not Islamists and fear the Islamist agenda, in remaining silent or in being irresolute in publicly opposing the Islamists, has done little in restoring the trust between themselves and non-Muslims that has been so severely undermined.
Muslims today and in the years to come will have none to blame but themselves for failing to do what is right in unconditionally and publicly repudiating Islamists, and repairing the trust by which our world functions.
It is so far the decency of people in the West that they have not drawn a wall Islamists are hard at work in erecting to separate themselves from Muslims as untrustworthy. If this occurs Muslims will be greatly responsible for their own misfortune".

(The highlighting is mine. Sorry I don't have the link, but it was published in July 07)


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