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Fri, Aug 17, 2007 at 2:10:38 pm PDT

Steven Emerson: New York Times Covers for CAIR, Again.

In what has become practically a routine, whenever bad publicity for the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) surfaces, in an almost Pavlovian response, the New York Times leaps to its defense.

As I wrote about last March in The New Republic, when CAIR had befallen several embarrassing public setbacks, including the rescinding of an award from Sen. Barbara Boxer’s office and public opposition on Capitol Hill for the use of a room to host a CAIR event, the Times dispatched its reporter, Neil MacFarquhar, to resuscitate CAIR’s image.

And now that CAIR has been named as an un-indicted co-conspirator in the Hamas fundraising trial against the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF), and copious amounts of evidence linking CAIR to both Hamas itself and the Palestine Committee of the Muslim Brotherhood have been reported, MacFarquhar and the Times are at it again, printing an article (Muslim Groups Oppose a List of ‘Co-Conspirators’) that may as well be a CAIR press release. In fact, this “story” was spurred by CAIR’s announcement that the organization had filed an “amicus” brief in the HLF trial, seeking to remove itself from the list of un-indicted co-conspirators, and folded into its press release to shore up CAIR’s ridiculous – yet typical – persecution fantasy.

Meanwhile, the Times has done virtually no reporting whatsoever since the trial began one month ago, save one MacFarquhar piece during jury selection (which I wrote about at the time), another piece of CAIR-esque propaganda...

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1 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:11:26pm

The nyt = appeasers.

2 Lawrence Schmerel  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:11:58pm

Fish wrappers.

3 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:12:01pm

The Times is too busy rewriting Wikipedia entries to cover the trial.

4 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:12:42pm

re: #3 JammieWearingFool

You have to have priorities.

5 Plato  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:13:05pm

I'm sending a post card to that rag. Complaining politely.

(while steaming)

6 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:14:43pm

Wait, wait, wait. The new republic published a story on cair, but the nyt hasn't?! That really says a lot about the nyt. Really.

7 mondoreb  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:14:45pm

The NY Times doesn't publish the Danish cartoons and is CAIR's poodle. I say, let's send them letters encouraging them to "keep up the good work", meanwhile tracking their rapidly-disappearing circulation figures.

8 Golem Akbar  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:14:53pm

NYT: the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Translation: the enemy of the US is my friend.

9 turn  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:15:49pm

I couldn't CAIR less abou the NYT

10 turn  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:16:19pm

abou - abou - about that is

11 pegcity  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:17:00pm

yeah but jews are behind the big conspiracy right.

12 Golem Akbar  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:17:04pm

re: #10 turn

abou - abou - about that is

Oh, I thought you were Canadian...(s/)

13 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:17:11pm

At the rate they're losing readers, the thugs from CAIR may soon be their only audience.

14 Bill Amos  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:17:23pm

OT but funny. A US diplomat working for the State Department got in trouble for cussing out James Zogby. Intersting that Zogby taped their covnversation

Warning strong language content
---

The diplomat, Patrick Syring, was accused of having
made abusive, intimidating and racist comments in
e-mails and voice mails to employees of the Arab
American Institute, a Washington group that promotes
Arab-American interests.

Syring is alleged to have made the comments in a
series of e-mails and voice mails to officials the
Arab American Institute, including its president James
Zogby, when Israel was at war with Lebanese Hezbollah
guerrillas in July 2006.

"The only good Lebanese is a dead Lebanese. The only
good Arab is a dead Arab. Long live the IDF. Death to
Lebanon and death to the Arabs," Syring said in a
voice mail recorded at the institute on July 17, 2006.
IDF stands for Israel Defense Forces -- the Israeli
military.

"Fuck the Arabs and Fuck James Zogby and his wicked
Hizbollah brothers. They will burn in hellfire on this
earth and in the hereafter," he wrote in an e-mail to
Zogby and another institute employee on the same day.

15 the_flying_pig  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:17:32pm

CAIR have its boots on the neck of New York Times.

16 socalinfidel  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:17:35pm

Im so sick of bad journalism...I could screammm...Political correctness is going to kill me

17 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:18:28pm

I can understand CAIR's premise to the extent that many GIVERS were unaware of where the money was going. To the extent that the CAIR HIERARCHY didn't know stretches my active imagination to the braking point.

-S-

18 EC Marm  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:19:02pm
the Times dispatched its reporter, Neil MacFarquhar

Is that pronounced how I think?

19 Highrise  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:19:13pm

Will I get in trouble if I flush the nyt down the toilet?

20 turn  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:20:18pm

re: #19 Highrise

Make sure you wipe before you flush ...

21 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:21:19pm

re: #19 Highrise

Will I get in trouble if I flush the nyt down the toilet?

re: #20 turn

re: #19 Highrise

Make sure you wipe before you flush ...

And wash your hands when you're done.

22 me  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:21:21pm

MacFarquhar

Farquhar You !

23 turn  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:21:25pm

On second thought, the NYT is too slimy for that.

24 zombie  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:22:22pm

Damn, I was hoping to get my Al Qaeda trial report up today, and while there is still a chance of that happening, it's starting to look unlikely -- I've got too much material to sift through! I've bitten off more than I can chew.

But tomorrow at the latest for sure.

25 MikieBahamas  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:22:51pm

NYT = No Yelling Terrorism!

26 Eowyn2  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:23:20pm

re: #18 EC Marm

the Times dispatched its reporter, Neil MacFarquhar

Is that pronounced how I think?

Is he related to Prince Farquat?

27 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:23:24pm

re: #18 EC Marm

the Times dispatched its reporter, Neil MacFarquhar

Is that pronounced how I think?

Probably pronounced "MacFarkwar.

28 turn  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:23:26pm

re: #24 zombie


Looking forward to your report, as always.

29 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:23:27pm
30 Thanos  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:23:38pm

re: #24 zombie

Damn, I was hoping to get my Al Qaeda trial report up today, and while there is still a chance of that happening, it's starting to look unlikely -- I've got too much material to sift through! I've bitten off more than I can chew.

But tomorrow at the latest for sure.

Keep chugging friend, the best things take time.

31 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:24:20pm

#14 Bill Amos ...

Considering the usual anti Israel bias from Foggy Bottom, this really comes as a surprise.

32 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:24:39pm

CAIR exaggerates LGF traffic...
CAIR Amicus Brief( p.10)


1 Even though these websites may not be considered mainstream media, many people view these sites and the articles. LittleGreenFootballs.com typically averages around 100,000 views a day.
33 Bill Amos  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:26:01pm
RememberTonyC 8/17/2007 2:24:20 pm PDT reply quote report

#14 Bill Amos ...

Considering the usual anti Israel bias from Foggy Bottom, this really comes as a surprise.

I forgot to add that they forced that guy to retire

34 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:27:06pm
35 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:27:20pm

This is way too funny.

Not only are we driving the left insane by keeping Club Gitmo open, but it appears we've been occupying the area rent-free all these years.

The ailing Cuban leader says so himself.

Moonbat heads exploding nationwide.

36 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:28:31pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

If they say it's 100K views a day, isn't that underestimating?

37 looking closely  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:28:38pm

Well, apart from hating America, CAIR and the NYT both do share one other key thing in common; massive declines in their membership rolls.

38 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:28:56pm
39 Golem Akbar  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:29:39pm

re: #36 JammieWearingFool

re: #32 Killgore Trout

If they say it's 100K views a day, isn't that underestimating?

They don't understand LGF and are actually afraid of what it does and who we are -- a very good thing!

40 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:30:21pm

re: #36 JammieWearingFool
From the info on the LGF sidebar it looks more like 60-70,000 page views per day.

41 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:30:59pm
Yesterday
Page Views: 121,791
Visits: 95,624
42 mich-again  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:31:55pm

The NYT sees the world through Rosie colored lenses.

43 looking closely  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:32:03pm

re: #38 taxfreekiller

Of Note:

You can not win a battle if you leave you flanks open to attack.

Well, you can if you attack fast and hard enough.

That's probably CAIRs thought here, but they aren't going to win this one.

Its like that old saw about how nothing kills a bad product better than good advertising. The more noise CAIR makes, the more backlash they seem to be generating. Attention, really, only hurts CAIR.

44 EE  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:32:48pm

Even worse than just presenting that one-sided article, in the print edition of today's (Thursday's) New York Times, the editor had in large letters, inserted into the article about 3/4 through, the statement:

A Justice Dept. action in a terrorism case is seen as an effort to smear a community.

If the community that The New York Times is defending consists of the terrorists, then they have a point that the terrorists are being identified by the US State Department list of foreign terrorist organizations, and those that have conspired to fund the terrorists are being unmasked. If the NYT is opposed to the war on terror then they should just be honest and say so.

But if The New York Times is suggesting that the Justice Department is motivated by a desire to harm all billion and a half Muslims in the world, then they are guilty of demagoguery and slander and smear tactics against the US Department of Justice.

In effect, the NYT is screaming "Islamophobia", in large letters, when jihadists or those who conspire with jihadists are brought to court or even named in a court proceeding. That puts The New York Times headline editor squarely on the side of the terrorists and those who have been conspiring to raise funds for the terrorists.

45 lefty201  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:32:50pm

this is just MacFarquhar'd up.

46 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:32:51pm

re: #41 JammieWearingFool

ooops, I was reading it wrong. They're lowballing us. Slander! Hate Crime!

47 pat  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:33:12pm

Charles, have you seen this?
Note LGFs part in at least 3 of these fallacious MSM stories driven by a LLL political agenda.
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

48 Eowyn2  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:34:48pm

re: #17 Dr. Shalit

I can understand CAIR's premise to the extent that many GIVERS were unaware of where the money was going. To the extent that the CAIR HIERARCHY didn't know stretches my active imagination to the braking point.

-S-

As a Christian, I hear "Holy Land Foundation" and I might surmise that it is a charity regarding Israel and various Christian or Jewish charities.

One of the neatest tricks in the book is to name a not for profit something that will tug at the heartstrings of your target audience.

I would like to see their fundraising efforts exposed. I'll bet they used all kinds of various words like 'education,' 'health care,' 'elderly care,' and of course 'children'
Something to the effect "the Holy Land Foundation is a charitable organization working to educate the children of Palestine and bring together the peoples of Palestine and Israel into one country. The Holy Land Foundation supplies educational material for basic reading, writing and arithmetic, basic sanitation supplies (pipes and nails,) elderly housing in soon to be renovated apartment buildings..."

49 EE  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:35:36pm

re #44, that was in Thursday's print edition (yesterday's, not today's).

50 abu_garcia  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:36:03pm

One thing that mystifies me about the NYT is how Nicholas Wade, a very good, non-PC science writer survives there. I would not be surprised if the moonbats eventually get him canned.

51 stevieray  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:36:35pm

New York Times - official Tool of the Caliphate&trade

52 abu_garcia  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:37:37pm

OT, and probably already posted, but has everyone ordered their Hillary Nutcracker?

53 saywhat?  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:37:48pm

The NYT is not alone with this nefarious Pavlovian response.

There are indications that some government insiders are working to undermine the terror related designation of a variety of jihadists/jihadist groups.

Recall this article from a little over a month ago . . .U.S. approves contacts with Muslim Brotherhood.

With this trial in TX underway, it appears that efforts to weaken any future case against the list of co-conspirators is underway.


CAIR's amicus curiae brief provides a link to militantislammonitor.org article which provides the link to actual list of 'unindicted co-conspirators' here.
Thank you CAIR. ;D
54 spikester  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:40:09pm

There fixed that for you!


re: #15 the_flying_pig

CAIR have its boots sandals on the neck of New York Times.

55 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:41:23pm
in an almost Pavlovian response

Salivate like a Pavlov dog.

56 mich-again  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:42:43pm
In fact, this “story” was spurred by CAIR’s announcement that the organization had filed an “amicus” brief in the HLF trial, seeking to remove itself from the list of un-indicted co-conspirators,

Well for once, I agree with the CAIRbots. I think they should be removed from the list of unidicted co-conspirators. And then added to the list of indicted co-conspirators.

57 LeftJustAintRight  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:43:41pm

O.T.
I heard that Rove left the WH so he could get the new Ronald Reagan clone polished and ready to take office in 09.


Joke/

58 coz  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:43:50pm

Hi all!

Daily Coz here.

just comin' up from the basement to say have a great weekend everybody.

see you on Monday's DDT.

Hey is there somebody here who can cover a Word of the Day for the weekend?

59 easy  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:45:13pm

re: #18 EC Marm

the Times dispatched its reporter, Neil MacFarquhar

Is that pronounced how I think?


Perhaps related to Dr. Hfuhruhurr

60 saywhat?  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:47:08pm

re: #48 Eowyn2

re: #17 Dr. Shalit

I can understand CAIR's premise to the extent that many GIVERS were unaware of where the money was going. To the extent that the CAIR HIERARCHY didn't know stretches my active imagination to the braking point.

-S-

As a Christian, I hear "Holy Land Foundation" and I might surmise that it is a charity regarding Israel and various Christian or Jewish charities.

One of the neatest tricks in the book is to name a not for profit something that will tug at the heartstrings of your target audience.

I would like to see their fundraising efforts exposed. I'll bet they used all kinds of various words like 'education,' 'health care,' 'elderly care,' and of course 'children'
Something to the effect "the Holy Land Foundation is a charitable organization working to educate the children of Palestine and bring together the peoples of Palestine and Israel into one country. The Holy Land Foundation supplies educational material for basic reading, writing and arithmetic, basic sanitation supplies (pipes and nails,) elderly housing in soon to be renovated apartment buildings..."

Indeed, just look at the relative entity CAIR being mixed up with CARE.

61 mondoreb  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:47:14pm

The only good thing about all this:

The New York Times becomes less relevant to informed discussion day by day. And their circulation figures show that.

I heartily recommend that they continue on their current occupation with being the mouthpiece of CAIR, the DNC, EcoKooks and all others sucking at their teat.

62 mondoreb  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:49:18pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout


CAIR exaggerates LGF traffic...
CAIR Amicus Brief( p.10)
1 Even though these websites may not be considered mainstream media, many people view these sites and the articles. LittleGreenFootballs.com typically averages around 100,000 views a day.

Once you get in the habit telling falsehoods, it's a hard one to break.

63 bosforus  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:50:08pm

re: #61 mondoreb
B-b-but wikipedia says...

Nicknamed the "Gray Lady" for its staid appearance and style, it is often regarded as a national newspaper of record, meaning that it is frequently relied upon as the official and authoritative reference for modern events

Good thing I wasn't drinking when I read that.

64 GoesTo11  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:51:09pm

Isn't it long past time that someone undertook a very thorough examination of Pinch's finances?

65 Jheka  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:51:48pm

O/T:

Tony Snow to step down.

It seems that he is concerned about providing for his family's financial security after he is gone.

Good luck and all the very best, Tony.

66 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:51:57pm

I'm not surprised the nyt wouldn't report on this trial and that they would serve as a mouthpiece for cair, but I am disturbed by it for this reason- although their circulation is down, how many media people still subscribe or otherwise get their news from the nyt? People who go off to their media jobs uninformed thusly and carry on reporting more news? I'm thinking specifically about Tucker Carlson at the moment (nothing personal Tucker), who not long ago had dougie hooper on his program. I'd asked at the time if Tucker had missed the memo. Does he read the nyt? How could a relatively intelligent man invite a terrorist supporting taqiyya artists on his program? He ended up giving them more credibility, and that's what cair wants- to look credible to all. It's why they are desperate to have their name removed as an un-indicted co-conspirator- before the media becomes aware and they stop getting phone calls for tv appearances and quotes in the paper. The effect of propagating cair by a lack of reporting may run deeper than we know. I do feel confident in assuming that cair hearts the nyt.

67 Bubbaman  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:52:22pm

Someone ought to inform the NYT's that under Sharia reporters and a free press doesn't fare well. Then again, they are probably too stupid to understand that. I can't wait until the NYT's declares bankruptcy as their reporting has been bankrupt a long time ago.

68 bosforus  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:52:51pm

re: #66 Sharmuta

The New York Times — Circulation: 1,120,420 Daily 1,627,062 Sunday

69 mondoreb  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:54:44pm

re: #63 bosforus

B-b-but wikipedia says...

Nicknamed the "Gray Lady" for its staid appearance and style, it is often regarded as a national newspaper of record, meaning that it is frequently relied upon as the official and authoritative reference for modern events
Good thing I wasn't drinking when I read that.

Another urban legend is born.

70 jcm  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:54:58pm

Good dhimmis get the knife last come the caliphate.

71 bulwrk  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:55:35pm

re: #68 bosforus


Are those figures world wide?

72 mondoreb  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:56:29pm

re: #68 bosforus

The New York Times — Circulation: 1,120,420 Daily 1,627,062 Sunday

I can remember when the NYT's circulation was almost double USA Today.
Last time I looked, it's reversed itself.
And the WSJ was ahead of both of them.

Reminds me to take a new look.

73 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:58:27pm

re: #68 bosforus

re: #66 Sharmuta

The New York Times — Circulation: 1,120,420 Daily 1,627,062 Sunday

And how many of those are media people now uninformed who turn around and try to inform the rest of us?

74 NuclearTinkerbell  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:59:07pm

Sorry - way, way OT but it made me grin - Unfastened Coins. Enjoy!

75 BrianA  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:59:27pm

The NYT is no different than those tools at dKos who think Padilla got screwed. All anti-government, anti-USA, anti-Bush 24/7.

76 Thanos  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:00:50pm

Well it's Friday !

For your viewing pleasure, Glacier Surfing in Alaska...

Time for some dinner here.

77 Tazzerman  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:01:25pm

I hate to admit it but I do read the NYSlimes daily.. I don't PAY for it but I do read it in order to stay abreast of left-coast 'thinking' and so-called opinion.. (Yes I shower afterward)

I read the article in question and almost spewed my Starbucks I was laughing so hard.

A CAIR press release is EXACTLY what the article sounded like. As I said, I do read the NYCrimes daily and I do recall seeing MacFarquhar's article regarding the trail.

There are some things you can count on in this world and one of them is the NYslimes so-called 'reporters', showing their bias at every single turn and in virtually every article. Bias and ignorance...

78 Eowyn2  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:02:38pm

re: #67 Bubbaman

Someone ought to inform the NYT's that under Sharia reporters and a free press doesn't fare well. Then again, they are probably too stupid to understand that. I can't wait until the NYT's declares bankruptcy as their reporting has been bankrupt a long time ago.

Think of the money they would save under Sharia. No law suits, no fact checkers or other researchers need apply, no news reporters need apply, everyone must have a subscription.

There would be no independent malcontents questioning their integrity or journalistic ethics. No nasty letters to the editor. kudos for everyone.

79 mondoreb  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:03:08pm

Latest Circulation Figures for Dailies:

USA Today: 2,281,830
Wall Street Journal 2,070,498
New York Times 1,136,433
Washington Post 751,871

80 mondoreb  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:04:26pm

re: #74 NuclearTinkerbell

Sorry - way, way OT but it made me grin - Unfastened Coins. Enjoy!

That's some conspiracy website they got goin' on there.

81 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:04:29pm

re: #63 bosforus

re: #61 mondoreb
B-b-but wikipedia says...


Nicknamed the "Gray Lady" for its staid appearance and style, it is often regarded as a national newspaper of record, meaning that it is frequently relied upon as the official and authoritative reference for modern events

Good thing I wasn't drinking when I read that.

Yeah, well our ancestors useta' rely on animal guts, tea leaves, chicken bones and wooly caterpillars to inform them of modern events.

82 bosforus  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:04:42pm

re: #71 bulwrk

i'm not positive. i typed 'new york times circulation' into google and that's the first link. i didn't follow the link.

83 BrianA  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:04:49pm

re: #79 mondoreb

Latest Circulation Figures for Dailies:

USA Today: 2,281,830
Wall Street Journal 2,070,498
New York Times 1,136,433
Washington Post 751,871

USQ Today is nothing more than a doormat for hotel rooms.

84 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:05:35pm

re: #79 mondoreb

Washington Post 751,871

Hahaha. Does the National Enquirer has more readers?

85 BrianA  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:05:43pm

Sorry...USA Today

PIMF

86 Iron Fist[deleted]  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:06:00pm
87 pat  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:07:00pm

re: #66 Sharmuta

In fact one our dailies here uses the entire NYT news service without editing.

88 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:07:26pm

re: #86 Iron Fist

Haven't you heard of the one Irish Bedouin tribe?

89 Arbalest  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:07:54pm

Something about Neil MacFarquhar’s reporting, and history of reporting, seems odd.

Wiki has a small entry on Neil MacFarquhar, which includes this interesting entry:

Neil Graham MacFarquhar has been a national correspondent, based in San Francisco, for The New York Times since November 2006. Among his previous assignments at the Times was as Cairo bureau chief.”

“MacFarquhar went to elementary school in Libya and is a fluent speaker of Arabic.”

“He graduated from Stanford University in 1982.”
“A number of his stories for the newspaper are about Muslims in the United States.”

Are these Wiki entries true?

Graduating from Stanford and being a journalist in San Francisco more likely suggest a Leftist slant than Centrist or Rightist, but this is only a guess. Probably a non-issue.

He is apparently a ”fluent speaker of Arabic”, so “A number of his stories for the newspaper are about Muslims in the United States.” seems not unusual. Probably also a non-issue.

But attending elementary school in Libya raises a question or two;
1. Did he attend a Libyan public elementary school (as opposed to one for foreigners)?
2. Is this where he became fluent in Arabic?
3. Was he indoctrinated?

If teh answers are "yes", then working backwards from these questions, doubts arise about the preceding non-issues.


So, making a number of (what seem to be reasonable) assumptions, the question appears:

Is Mr. MacFarquhar a Muslim, or a Muslim sympathizer?


Things (his history, writings) seem to point this way, and might make Mr. MacFarquhar‘s writings concerning Arabs and Muslims “propaganda” rather than “journalism”.

The New York Times should make a full accounting of what it knows, who knew it and when, concerning this situation, and it should be published, and prominently.

The New York Times owes their readers a full, in-depth and complete investigation.

90 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:08:19pm

re: #77 Tazzerman

I hate to admit it but I do read the NYSlimes daily.. I don't PAY for it

I get it every Sunday, and I *do* pay for it. I get it for the puzzles--and some columns and articles--in the magazine. I do read a lot of the rest of it but, I do so with a jaundiced eye and knowing mind.

91 bulwrk  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:08:40pm

re: #74 NuclearTinkerbell

That theory has been around for along time they fail to mention some very distinct differences between the two ships though.The most important one being the Olympic had an open B deck and her younger sister Titanic's was inclosed.

92 mondoreb  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:08:44pm

re: #66 Sharmuta

I'm not surprised the nyt wouldn't report on this trial and that they would serve as a mouthpiece for cair, but I am disturbed by it for this reason- although their circulation is down, how many media people still subscribe or otherwise get their news from the nyt?

Yeah, but that my point. Media People operate in a closed loop anyway.
They go to the same parties, talk the same talk, hold largely the same views. It's EXACTLY this groupthink that makes them more and more irrelevant. It was different when there weren't any other choices, but now there are. And people are availing themselves of those choices.

The New York Times is still relevant to Media People--just becoming less so to anyone else outside their closed circle.

So I say:

NY TIMES...Stay just the way you are, Baby! Never change!

93 Eowyn2  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:09:16pm

re: #81 MandyManners

re: #63 bosforus


re: #61 mondoreb
B-b-but wikipedia says...


Nicknamed the "Gray Lady" for its staid appearance and style, it is often regarded as a national newspaper of record, meaning that it is frequently relied upon as the official and authoritative reference for modern events

Good thing I wasn't drinking when I read that.

Yeah, well our ancestors useta' rely on animal guts, tea leaves, chicken bones and wooly caterpillars to inform them of modern events.

Not mine, mine used the rowan trees and a bunch of tall stones.

94 Mich-again  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:10:21pm

CAIR links directly to this NYT story from their web page, so its no surprise it reads like a press release. And they have also posted the brief in its entirety. William B. Moffitt was the attorney who wrote it.

95 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:10:47pm

re: #89 Arbalest

Is Mr. MacFarquhar a Muslim, or a Muslim sympathizer?

Either way, he's not to be trusted as an unbiased relayer of facts.

96 mondoreb  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:11:03pm

re: #83 BrianA

USQ Today is nothing more than a doormat for hotel rooms.

Take away nationwide library and hotel subscriptions from USA Today and NYT and you'll see that fewer and fewer ordinary people get their news from these mouthpieces.

97 mondoreb  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:11:52pm

re: #84 Sharmuta

Hahaha. Does the National Enquirer has more readers?

Good question! It's a weekly...I'll go see.

98 Eowyn2  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:12:15pm

re: #92 mondoreb

re: #66 Sharmuta


I'm not surprised the nyt wouldn't report on this trial and that they would serve as a mouthpiece for cair, but I am disturbed by it for this reason- although their circulation is down, how many media people still subscribe or otherwise get their news from the nyt?

Yeah, but that my point. Media People operate in a closed loop anyway.
They go to the same parties, talk the same talk, hold largely the same views. It's EXACTLY this groupthink that makes them more and more irrelevant. It was different when there weren't any other choices, but now there are. And people are availing themselves of those choices.

The New York Times is still relevant to Media People--just becoming less so to anyone else outside their closed circle.

So I say:

NY TIMES...Stay just the way you are, Baby! Never change!

You forgot: Interview the same people.

99 mondoreb  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:13:42pm

re: #84 Sharmuta

A decade ago, the 75-year-old National Enquirer's circulation stood at 3,250,863, the best-read paper in America, ahead of the Times and The Wall Street Journal.

[Link: findarticles.com...]

100 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:14:09pm

re: #92 mondoreb

The New York Times is still relevant to Media People--just becoming less so to anyone else outside their closed circle.

And that's my point. For all the people out there waking up to msm bias and turning elsewhere for their news, we have people who aren't. People who see cair on tv or in the paper and have no idea what cair really is, or what they do. They just see cair getting quoted in the nyt, giving them an air of legitimacy so the next time the reader comes across cair they're not thinking "terrorist enablers", they're thinking, "Hey- it's that nice muslim group I was reading about in the nyt."

101 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:14:12pm

OT:
JPost is running a stock photo from AP on its front page that might look familiar - supposed airstrike and lots of Palestinians running away. I seem to recall some fishiness about that one.

Oh, and Hamas is taking weapons from the Doghmush clan for use against Israel. If you folks recall, those are the thugs who held BBC journalist Alan Johnston. I guess Hamas was calling in their chits.

102 honzik  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:14:21pm

Here's a fun fact: an anagram for "Times - Cair" is "It's a crime." Just in case you wanted to know...

103 Mentat  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:14:34pm
104 mondoreb  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:15:09pm

re: #93 Eowyn2

Not mine, mine used the rowan trees and a bunch of tall stones.

A Celtic princess.

105 BrianA  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:15:33pm

re: #99 mondoreb

re: #84 Sharmuta

A decade ago, the 75-year-old National Enquirer's circulation stood at 3,250,863, the best-read paper in America, ahead of the Times and The Wall Street Journal.

[Link: findarticles.com...]

So obviously the NYT has been emulating the NE to get beter circ numbers.

106 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:15:46pm

re: #100 Sharmuta

Paper circulations are one thing, but how many people are now getting their news online - when you factor that in, the NYT is still going to be ahead of USA today and WSJ (which is by subscription online).

107 Eowyn2  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:16:23pm

re: #101 lawhawk

OT:
JPost is running a stock photo from AP on its front page that might look familiar - supposed airstrike and lots of Palestinians running away. I seem to recall some fishiness about that one.

Oh, and Hamas is taking weapons from the Doghmush clan for use against Israel. If you folks recall, those are the thugs who held BBC journalist Alan Johnston. I guess Hamas was calling in their chits.

How would you like to go through life belonging to the dogmush brigade?

108 El Guape  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:16:24pm

Israeli troops kill two Palestinians in West Bank raid
Fri Aug 17, 2:11 PM


JENIN, West Bank (Reuters) - Israeli troops killed two Palestinians and wounded six others during a raid near the West Bank city of Jenin on Friday, Palestinian sources said.

ADVERTISEMENT

Palestinian security officials said that a gun battle broke out between Israeli troops and local gunmen in the village of Kafr Dan. One gunman and a 16-year-old boy were killed.


An Israeli army spokesman said that "several gunmen were identified during an activity against terror infrastructure. The troops fired at them and identified hitting them."


The Abu Amar Brigades, an armed group linked to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas's secular Fatah faction, said that the gunman killed was on of its leaders.
Got Two More in Palestine

109 bulwrk  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:16:29pm

re: #74 NuclearTinkerbell

But that was funny thanks

110 Mich-again  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:16:33pm

and BTW William B. Moffitt was Sami Al-Arian's lawyer too. Funny that CAIR got a Criminal Defense Lawyer to write the brief explaining why they shouldn't be associated with criminals.

COMES NOW William B. Moffitt, lead counsel for Dr. Sami Al-Arian and files
the following declaration pursuant to 28 U.S.C. 1746:
1. I am currently counsel for Dr. Sami Al-Arian.
2. I am formerly the President of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers.
3. I have been engaged in the practice of primarily criminal defense law since 1975.
111 Eowyn2  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:17:17pm

re: #104 mondoreb

the other half was making blood sacrifices to the Thor and Odin

112 Highrise  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:18:53pm

re: #103 Mentat

OT:

Very funny rant about Islam:

I LOVE that video.

I would love to buy him and his wife dinner.

113 BrianA  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:18:53pm

re: #101 lawhawk

The Doghmush clan sounds like an Ididerod team.

114 Texas Joel  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:18:58pm

I thought the NYT circulation was a way to track the use of parakeet crap. People actually read it before soaking up bird shit with it? How strange eastern folks are!

115 mondoreb  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:19:01pm

re: #100 Sharmuta

And that's my point. For all the people out there waking up to msm bias and turning elsewhere for their news, we have people who aren't. People who see cair on tv or in the paper and have no idea what cair really is, or what they do. They just see cair getting quoted in the nyt, giving them an air of legitimacy so the next time the reader comes across cair they're not thinking "terrorist enablers", they're thinking, "Hey- it's that nice muslim group I was reading about in the nyt."

Well, you're always going to have a certain percentage who have a passing acquaintance with current events. But people who pay less attention to current events have traditionally lower voting turnouts than more informed people. So if they wind up catering to a non-voting, non-caring core group, I'm all for it.

Besides, Rome didn't fall in a day.
And neither will these nitwits.

116 jcm  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:19:52pm

re: #90 MandyManners

re: #77 Tazzerman

I hate to admit it but I do read the NYSlimes daily.. I don't PAY for it

I get it every Sunday, and I *do* pay for it. I get it for the puzzles--and some columns and articles--in the magazine. I do read a lot of the rest of it but, I do so with a jaundiced eye and knowing mind.

I've been getting the Seattle Least Intelligence for years. Took one of those 26 week free trials, 6 months later they call seeing if I want to subscribe, when I say no, they extend the offer. Been that way for years.

They get to count me as a subscriber, I wonder how many more are like me.
Paper charge ads based on subscribership, how many do they pad to ad pricing.

117 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:20:52pm

re: #106 lawhawk

re: #100 Sharmuta

Paper circulations are one thing, but how many people are now getting their news online - when you factor that in, the NYT is still going to be ahead of USA today and WSJ (which is by subscription online).

Great point.

I'm assuming the vast majority of news media people are reading the nyt in paper or electronic form, so the circulation numbers are not even relevant to my point. It's great that they're losing readers imo, but the influence they have within the media, and how that influence plays out in informing the rest of us is not measurable by circulation.

118 Highrise  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:22:22pm

re: #65 Jheka

O/T:

Tony Snow to step down.

It seems that he is concerned about providing for his family's financial security after he is gone.

Good luck and all the very best, Tony.

Good lord that job has taken such a toll on him. He looks much older than 51. Bless his heart :( .

119 mondoreb  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:22:54pm

re: #106 lawhawk

Paper circulations are one thing, but how many people are now getting their news online - when you factor that in, the NYT is still going to be ahead of USA today and WSJ (which is by subscription online).

I'm not sure of that. The Times Select website (their project to sell their news online) is pretty much a failure and I read a story yesterday that it will probably be down within the year.

But I don't have any web figures for the different websites, but the WSJ Online does do a bang-up business.

120 Arbalest  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:23:52pm

re: #95 MandyManners

True.

But my point is that there needs to be some investigation done, as the NYT seems to be representing MacFarquhar as a journalist / reporter, not a propagandist, sympathizer, writer-of-op-ed-pieces-rather-than-straight-report er or someone with clear bias.

The NYT may have another problem on its hands.

121 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:24:01pm

The NYT - all the lies that are fit to print, and plenty of real news they refuse to print.

/paper of record my ass

122 windybon  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:24:03pm

re: #65 Jheka

O/T:

Tony Snow to step down.

It seems that he is concerned about providing for his family's financial security after he is gone.

Good luck and all the very best, Tony.

If they promote Dana Perino they won't be missing anything. In Tony's absence, I found her to be quick thinking on her feet and very witty.

123 NuclearTinkerbell  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:24:48pm

#109 bulwrk

But that was funny thanks

I especially enjoyed the video recreation in the bathtub.

124 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:25:06pm

re: #115 mondoreb

But people who pay less attention to current events have traditionally lower voting turnouts than more informed people.

That's subjective, don't you think? How many nyt readers would tell you that, in their opinion, they are well informed?

Global warming would be another prime example here. How many people feel they are well informed about this "issue" but have only been supplied the standard leftist-msm line? So just how well informed are they?

125 jcm  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:26:27pm

re: #122 windybon

re: #65 Jheka

O/T:

Tony Snow to step down.

It seems that he is concerned about providing for his family's financial security after he is gone.

Good luck and all the very best, Tony.

If they promote Dana Perino they won't be missing anything. In Tony's absence, I found her to be quick thinking on her feet and very witty.

I pray his health is okay and not the reason.
I look forward to having him back on the radio, if those are his plans.

126 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:26:47pm

re: #93 Eowyn2

Not mine, mine used the rowan trees and a bunch of tall stones.

Pardon!

127 BrianA  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:27:00pm

re: #117 Sharmuta

re: #119 mondoreb

I think the influence they still have comes from the sindication of their articles. Here in DFW the Dallas Morning News reprints "news" from the NYT, AP and others every day. I guess it's too expensive for every newspaper to have it's own national and international reporters so the just feed the slop that's given to them.

128 bulwrk  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:27:52pm

re: #123 NuclearTinkerbell


I've watched it 3 times the melting plate of ice cubes is pretty convincing.

129 Eowyn2  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:28:07pm

re: #121 Ward Cleaver

The NYT - all the lies that are fit to print, and plenty of real news they refuse to print.

/paper of record my ass

Is that supposed to say "paper of RECORD MY ASS"
sounds like a drive-by mooning.

130 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:28:43pm

(I'm in and out/up and down tending to The Kid so, I apologize now if I don't respond to everyone.)

131 BrianA  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:29:20pm

re: #121 Ward Cleaver

The NYT - all the lies that are fit to print, and plenty of real news they refuse to print.

/paper of record my ass

Are you using it for TP?

132 Eowyn2  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:29:51pm

re: #126 MandyManners

re: #93 Eowyn2


Not mine, mine used the rowan trees and a bunch of tall stones.

Pardon!

they also used potato skins until they figured out they are better with bacon, cheese, roasted garlic, and saute'd onions:)

I am SO ready for dinner

133 Mich-again  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:30:32pm

Wow, check out the smokin hot babe standing right next to Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal as he poses for a photo with a UN diplomat. Good thing the Department of Virtue thugs weren't around to see that cleavage.

134 Dustyvet  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:30:50pm

re: #2 Lawrence Schmerel

Fish wrappers.


Cat pan liners

Bird cage liners

Garbage wrappers

135 Born Again Republican  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:31:12pm

re: #118 Highrise

re: #65 Jheka

O/T:

Tony Snow to step down.

It seems that he is concerned about providing for his family's financial security after he is gone.

Good luck and all the very best, Tony.

Good lord that job has taken such a toll on him. He looks much older than 51. Bless his heart :( .

I believe it's his illness that has caused him to look so drained. He is getting his last kemo treatment soon and he said that will kick his butt for about a week.

So sorry to see him go.

136 mondoreb  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:31:37pm

re: #117 Sharmuta

Great point.

I'm assuming the vast majority of news media people are reading the nyt in paper or electronic form, so the circulation numbers are not even relevant to my point. It's great that they're losing readers imo, but the influence they have within the media, and how that influence plays out in informing the rest of us is not measurable by circulation.

You are right they have influence. And especially amongst their incestuous world of journalism. And they'll continue to have influence for awhile. BUT, I maintain their influence is declining and will continue to decline. Their downward march is ongoing and steady.

They're not going away tomorrow. But one of the reasons for their decline is their arrogance. New York has had many many news dailies over the course of the last 200 years. The NYT has not always been at the top of the food chain. I'm waiting for them to merge with the Weekly World News.

See! All of these posts back and forth are what reasoned debate looks like--and if there was reasoned debate in the Times' editorial department, they would be better equiped to thrive.

You have to adapt to survive and they aren't adapting AT ALL--they expect for everyone else to fall in behind them.

That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

137 RightOfAtilla  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:31:38pm

re: #118 Highrise

re: #65 Jheka


O/T:

Tony Snow to step down.

It seems that he is concerned about providing for his family's financial security after he is gone.

Good luck and all the very best, Tony.


Good lord that job has taken such a toll on him. He looks much older than 51. Bless his heart :( .

Amen, may God bless Tony Snow and his family.

138 Eowyn2  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:31:42pm

re: #133 Mich-again

Wow, check out the smokin hot babe standing right next to Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal as he poses for a photo with a UN diplomat. Good thing the Department of Virtue thugs weren't around to see that cleavage.

He isn't actually LOOKING at an unrelated female so its okay.

139 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:32:47pm

re: #116 jcm

I never worked on the ad side and it's been a while since I was in a newsroom but, from what I recall, papers cannot just pull a number out of their butts and claim that they have X number of subscribes on this date just because they had Y numbers during a certain period previously.

140 tblot  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:33:16pm

re: #138 Eowyn2

nice sunglasses two

141 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:34:51pm

re: #127 BrianA

I think the influence they still have comes from the sindication of their articles.

Bingo!

142 mondoreb  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:35:06pm

re: #124 Sharmuta

That's subjective, don't you think? How many nyt readers would tell you that, in their opinion, they are well informed?

Global warming would be another prime example here. How many people feel they are well informed about this "issue" but have only been supplied the standard leftist-msm line? So just how well informed are they?

Wow Shar, I'm getting 'look-up finger' here! (whine)
I know I saw one study on the relationships between interest in current events and voting...about 10 years ago. I'll go look and see if I can find one.

I'll concede the 2nd point (Uncle!) for now. We should use it to redouble efforts to demand science and not "consensus". I'm a "tide-will-turn-for-the-good-guys-eventually" type of person!

143 jcm  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:35:11pm

re: #139 MandyManners

re: #116 jcm

I never worked on the ad side and it's been a while since I was in a newsroom but, from what I recall, papers cannot just pull a number out of their butts and claim that they have X number of subscribes on this date just because they had Y numbers during a certain period previously.

I don't know exactly how it works either, I do know number of subscriptions affects ad rates. I also know I am a "subscriber" who would pay a plug nickel for the Seattle fishwraps.

144 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:35:15pm

re: #120 Arbalest

If he's able to put his background and bias aside, all the power to him but, it really doesn't read as if he's able.

145 ornery elephant  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:35:32pm

re: #130 MandyManners

(I'm in and out/up and down tending to The Kid so, I apologize now if I don't respond to everyone.)

Gee, hope that doesn't mean you have a sick little one there Mandy!

146 Highrise  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:36:10pm

re: #135 Born Again Republican

Oh definitely his illness has something to do with it. But that job he has is very stressful and I'm sure takes its toll on people.

147 Mentat  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:36:38pm

#112 Highrise

Yeh, that video makes your heart glad knowing that there are still sane people in Britain.

148 jcm  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:37:15pm

re: #74 NuclearTinkerbell

Sorry - way, way OT but it made me grin - Unfastened Coins. Enjoy!

I find his scale model demonstration much more convincing than the chicken wire / concrete / fire demo.

/

149 mondoreb  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:37:57pm

re: #127 BrianA

I guess it's too expensive for every newspaper to have it's own national and international reporters so the just feed the slop that's given to them.

Thats one source of their influence. But it's cheaper still to get articles from a variety of sources on the web then subscribe to the above.

150 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:38:06pm

re: #132 Eowyn2

Tater skins, eh? New one to me.

I'm ready for dinner, too. It sucks that I gotta' cook tonight. The Kid's sick, it's hot, I have a sore throat and I'm tired. Somebody, send a waaahmbulance. Or, a delivery driver.

151 bulwrk  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:39:33pm

re: #133 Mich-again

Why does he have his hand over his croch? Is he trying to hide something?

152 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:39:43pm

re: #134 Dustyvet

re: #2 Lawrence Schmerel


Fish wrappers.

Cat pan liners

Bird cage liners

Garbage wrappers

There you go insulting feline anuses, avian anuses and garbage.

153 bosforus  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:40:17pm

re: #148 jcm

My favorite part

Still don't think the Titanic was a conspiracy? Here's a little something I like to call charts and graphs:
154 NuclearTinkerbell  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:40:17pm

#148 jcm
After watching the plate of metal not melt, I am convinced.

155 mondoreb  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:40:53pm

re: #139 MandyManners

I never worked on the ad side and it's been a while since I was in a newsroom but, from what I recall, papers cannot just pull a number out of their butts and claim that they have X number of subscribes on this date just because they had Y numbers during a certain period previously.

Right. It's audited by Newspaper Association of America, an industry trade group.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

156 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:41:03pm

re: #143 jcm

But how long do they get to count you as a subscriber after you drop it?

157 Eowyn2  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:41:08pm

re: #153 bosforus

re: #148 jcm

My favorite part


Still don't think the Titanic was a conspiracy? Here's a little something I like to call charts and graphs:

I like the bathtub scene.

158 LeftJustAintRight  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:41:11pm

re: #133 Mich-again

Wow, check out the smokin hot babe standing right next to Saudi Prince

Is that the Muslim Paris Hilton?

159 Ginn  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:41:14pm

MacFarquhar?

The endless possibilities. But not today.

160 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:41:39pm

re: #155 mondoreb

Thanks. I was trying to get the energy up to find a link. You're a peach.

161 bulwrk  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:42:44pm

re: #151 bulwrk


Is he trying to hide something?


just happy to be there

162 Dustyvet  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:42:52pm

re: #152 MandyManners

re: #134 Dustyvet


re: #2 Lawrence Schmerel

Fish wrappers.

Cat pan liners
Bird cage liners

Garbage wrappers


There you go insulting feline anuses, avian anuses and garbage.

My cat adores taking a dump on the NYT's...>^..^

163 jcm  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:42:54pm

re: #154 NuclearTinkerbell

#148 jcm
After watching the plate of metal not melt, I am convinced.

First time in history ice melted without fire...

164 Born Again Republican  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:43:22pm

re: #146 Highrise

Without a doubt it's stressful but when I think that Scott McClellan left with people writing about his sex appeal... well, I think Tony Snow could have left with the same recognition if it weren't for his illness.

165 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:43:31pm

re: #145 ornery elephant

Yep, but it'll go through him pretty quickly. It's my own health that I'm worried about. I've been using face masks and latex gloves but, I don't know if I caught it before I knew he was infectious.

166 mondoreb  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:43:46pm

re: #160 MandyManners

Thanks. I was trying to get the energy up to find a link. You're a peach.

Thanx, but I am a mere shadow for the title of "Fastest Music-Linker in the Biz"

167 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:43:52pm

re: #162 Dustyvet

Not your average cat, eh?

168 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:44:06pm

re: #136 mondoreb

But one of the reasons for their decline is their arrogance.

I agree with you on that. What is really contributing to their decline is people like Charles continually pointing this cr*p out to the rest of us. And that's where their arrogance comes in- no matter how many times they are busted, they never change course.

169 Eowyn2  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:44:11pm

re: #150 MandyManners

re: #132 Eowyn2

Tater skins, eh? New one to me.

I'm ready for dinner, too. It sucks that I gotta' cook tonight. The Kid's sick, it's hot, I have a sore throat and I'm tired. Somebody, send a waaahmbulance. Or, a delivery driver.


I may be wrong, maybe it was peat moss at the bog.
Go for the delivery driver. Send him to my place if he's really really cute.

170 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:44:52pm
Baghdad, 17 August (AKI) - The cross-border police organisation Interpol has issued an arrest warrant against Raghad al-Majid, daugher of toppled Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's daughter, following a request from the Iraqi government.

Raghad Saddam Hussein al-Majid, 38, is wanted by the Iraqi government for "crimes against life and health incitement and terrorism" Interpol said on its website.

The site called on anyone who has information about Raghad's whereabouts to report to the local police station in their city.

Raghad apparently lives with her children in the Jordanian capital Amman, hosted by the royal family.

The last time she was seen publicly was during a popular rally in Amman to protest the execution of her father on 31 December 2006.



[Link: www.adnkronos.com...]

171 jcm  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:45:07pm

My favorite graph.
Prove beyond a doubt Global Warming is real and caused by a lack of pirates.
ARRGGGHHH! Matey.

172 bosforus  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:45:34pm

re: #157 Eowyn2
Another good one.

While doing research for my documentary, I came across the smoking gun. This evidence is so hot that the government shut off my Internet access when I discovered it. I called the cable company and they said that they turned off my Internet access for not paying my bill. So it was just a coincidence that the government turned off my Internet at the exact same moment the cable company did? Nice try government.
173 Ginn  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:45:51pm

re: #163 jcm

re: #154 NuclearTinkerbell

#148 jcm
After watching the plate of metal not melt, I am convinced.
First time in history ice melted without fire...

ha!

174 Dustyvet  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:45:57pm

re: #167 MandyManners

re: #162 Dustyvet

Not your average cat, eh?


He used to enjoy doing the NYT's crossword while sitting in the catpan...>^..^

175 Eowyn2  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:46:06pm

re: #143 jcm

Had a drive-by boss inspection the other day. the missouri is great if you get in within a state of the headwaters.

176 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:46:19pm

re: #171 jcm

LMAO!

/I saw it on the internet- it must be true!

177 ornery elephant  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:46:32pm

OT

I hopped on LGF a bit earlier, or at least tried to, and my 1890's version of Internet Explorer was hissing a fit, so I couldn't get on...and it hit me, ...imagine if you couldn't come here and read and share and learn and laugh and cry.

Scary thought, eh?

178 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:46:39pm

re: #133 Mich-again

Wow, check out the smokin hot babe standing right next to Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal as he poses for a photo with a UN diplomat. Good thing the Department of Virtue thugs weren't around to see that cleavage.

Who IS she?

179 mondoreb  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:46:53pm

re: #168 Sharmuta

What is really contributing to their decline is people like Charles continually pointing this cr*p out to the rest of us. And that's where their arrogance comes in- no matter how many times they are busted, they never change course.

Yep! New Media, Baby! And we're living it right here at LGF! Makes me proud to be an American! New Media is the biggest reason I'm so optimistic on this issue.

The net will do them in.

That, and the Evil Worldwide Zionist Conspiracy.

180 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:47:17pm

re: #174 Dustyvet

I love your cat!

181 Ginn  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:47:23pm

re: #177 ornery elephant

OT

I hopped on LGF a bit earlier, or at least tried to, and my 1890's version of Internet Explorer was hissing a fit, so I couldn't get on...and it hit me, ...imagine if you couldn't come here and read and share and learn and laugh and cry.

Scary thought, eh?

Yeah, pretty scary...

Hi ornery

182 mondoreb  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:47:51pm

re: #171 jcm

Prove beyond a doubt Global Warming is real and caused by a lack of pirates.

THAT's a keeper!

183 jcm  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:48:27pm

re: #180 MandyManners

re: #174 Dustyvet

I love your cat!

Careful Dustyvet, Mandy is an infamous cat kicker ;-)

184 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:48:42pm

re: #169 Eowyn2

Peat moss. Tater skins. They're about the same.

I'm gonna' stir myself and cook some burgers.

185 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:48:48pm

re: #179 mondoreb

The net will do them in.

I agree, but in the mean time, there is a serious problem with the nyt spinning cair's image and refusing to inform their readers on the true nature of these thugs.

186 bulwrk  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:49:05pm

re: #171 jcm

It's more of a guideline.

187 ornery elephant  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:49:05pm

re: #181 Ginn

re: #177 ornery elephant


OT

I hopped on LGF a bit earlier, or at least tried to, and my 1890's version of Internet Explorer was hissing a fit, so I couldn't get on...and it hit me, ...imagine if you couldn't come here and read and share and learn and laugh and cry.

Scary thought, eh?


Yeah, pretty scary...

Hi ornery

:waves to Ginn: you just made me day!

188 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:49:27pm

RoP in India...
Islamists offer reward for eliminating Nasrin if author does not leave country


Islamist clerics in West Bengal yesterday issued a "death warrant" against Bangladeshi writer Taslima Nasrin if she did not pack her bags and leave India.

"Anybody eliminating her would be given Rs100,000 ($2,500?-ed) and unlimited rewards if she does not leave the country immediately. She has insulted Islam and continued to create problems in this country," Syed Noor-ur-Rehman Barkati, the shahi imam of Tippu Sultan Mosque in Kolkata, told IANS.

189 Eowyn2  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:49:49pm

re: #171 jcm

My favorite graph.
Prove beyond a doubt Global Warming is real and caused by a lack of pirates.
ARRGGGHHH! Matey.


thats very scientific data.

190 LeftJustAintRight  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:49:50pm

re: #178 MandyManners

Who IS she?


The Muslim equivalent to Paris Hilton

191 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:50:13pm

re: #177 ornery elephant

OT

I hopped on LGF a bit earlier, or at least tried to, and my 1890's version of Internet Explorer was hissing a fit, so I couldn't get on...and it hit me, ...imagine if you couldn't come here and read and share and learn and laugh and cry.

Scary thought, eh?

SADIST!

192 ornery elephant  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:50:50pm

re: #178 MandyManners

re: #133 Mich-again


Wow, check out the smokin hot babe standing right next to Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal as he poses for a photo with a UN diplomat. Good thing the Department of Virtue thugs weren't around to see that cleavage.

Who IS she?

Unbelievably, that is Ahminedajad's brother who is a renowned cross dresser and burlesque performer from Riyadh. Impressive now, isn't he?

/lol

193 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:51:05pm

Dragging ass outta' here.

194 Eowyn2  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:51:39pm

re: #172 bosforus

Coincidence?

195 mondoreb  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:51:55pm

re: #185 Sharmuta

I agree, but in the mean time, there is a serious problem with the nyt spinning cair's image and refusing to inform their readers on the true nature of these thugs.

Oh I know. But even my totally-ignores-the-news sister has heard of CAIR and thinks they're buffoons. And if she's paying attention...well, there's hope!

196 Dustyvet  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:53:22pm

re: #183 jcm

re: #180 MandyManners


re: #174 Dustyvet

I love your cat!


Careful Dustyvet, Mandy is an infamous cat kicker ;-)

Damnit Jim, I'm a cat not a football...>^..^

197 mondoreb  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:54:20pm

re: #188 Killgore Trout

Islamist clerics in West Bengal yesterday issued a "death warrant" against Bangladeshi writer Taslima Nasrin if she did not pack her bags and leave India.

Another fatwa?
How do those nincompoops keep all those Fatwas straight?

198 Eowyn2  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:54:33pm

re: #184 MandyManners

Someday those little tykes will be all grown up and they'll invite you to dinner. Mine do, on occasion. Sometimes they even allow me to watch my grandkids overnight - I havent had to resort to too much begging:)

Enjoy the little ones.

199 Eowyn2  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:55:06pm

re: #197 mondoreb

re: #188 Killgore Trout


Islamist clerics in West Bengal yesterday issued a "death warrant" against Bangladeshi writer Taslima Nasrin if she did not pack her bags and leave India.

Another fatwa?
How do those nincompoops keep all those Fatwas straight?

Didnt they already have a fatwa on her head?

200 jcm  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:58:22pm

re: #189 Eowyn2

re: #171 jcm

My favorite graph.
Prove beyond a doubt Global Warming is real and caused by a lack of pirates.
ARRGGGHHH! Matey.


thats very scientific data.

You just don't care about the earth, we are going to have to force you to dress like a pirate.

201 SusanL  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:58:31pm

re: #177 ornery elephant

OT

I hopped on LGF a bit earlier, or at least tried to, and my 1890's version of Internet Explorer was hissing a fit, so I couldn't get on...and it hit me, ...imagine if you couldn't come here and read and share and learn and laugh and cry.

Scary thought, eh?

NO, bad thought! I couldn't get through a day without this place and these people.

It sometimes drives the hubby crazy as I laugh, cry and yell at the things I learn here. He does get a kick out of some of the videos though.

Susan

202 ornery elephant  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:59:17pm

re: #200 jcm

And to quote Jerry Seinfeld: "...but I don't WANNA be a pirate! "

203 jcm  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 4:00:31pm

re: #202 ornery elephant

re: #200 jcm

And to quote Jerry Seinfeld: "...but I don't WANNA be a pirate! "

But I have a graph!

204 ornery elephant  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 4:01:59pm

re: #203 jcm

re: #202 ornery elephant


re: #200 jcm

And to quote Jerry Seinfeld: "...but I don't WANNA be a pirate! "


But I have a graph!

And to quote Rosie O'Donnell: " You got that graph from Karl Rove!"

/haha

205 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 4:02:52pm

Its terrible, but I find myself wishing one of CAIRS(spit) minions would walk into the old grey lady and demonstrate what happens when a homicide bomber detonates themselves. These people are criminally ignorant of the true face of islamist lunacy.

206 SusanL  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 4:02:59pm

re: #198 Eowyn2

I know exactly what you mean. We watched out 9 month old granddaughter Pandora (don't yell at me, her daddy's idea) last night. She is just at the crawling stage and gets into everything, I had a ball.

What a blessing!

Susan

207 jcm  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 4:05:11pm

re: #204 ornery elephant

re: #203 jcm

re: #202 ornery elephant


re: #200 jcmAnd to quote Jerry Seinfeld: "...but I don't WANNA be a pirate! "


But I have a graph!

And to quote Rosie O'Donnell: " You got that graph from Karl Rove!"

/haha

OHMYGOD! Rove is the Flying Spaghetti Monster!

208 Render  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 4:07:13pm

re: #192 ornery elephant

I'm gonna take a wild guess that she is either wife #3, or his daughter, Princess Reem.

He is, of course, the Saudi prince that funded the Walt-Meershiemer paper.

OIL
TICK,
R

209 Prisoner of Diesel  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 4:08:58pm

re: #178 MandyManners

re: #133 Mich-again

Wow, check out the smokin hot babe standing right next to Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal as he poses for a photo with a UN diplomat. Good thing the Department of Virtue thugs weren't around to see that cleavage.

Who IS she?

Sharmuta?

210 Chuck Pelto  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 4:12:35pm

TO: All
RE: Hey!

Has anyone else 'twigged' to the idea that the NYT and WaPo and LAT are only holding to this 'message' because it improves, in their mind, the corporation's 'bottom line'?

Seriously!

Why should major news-providers go against ALL 'logic' and support a belief-system that would put them TOTALLY OUT OF BUSINESS?!?!?!

These bozos are 'betting on the come', and if they lose that 'bet' they're OUT OF BUSINESS. But they don't THINK, therefore they don't think they're betting against the Constitution of the United States.

If that IS the case, they are, as far as I can tell, a 'domestic' enemy of the Constitution of the United States.

This leads to some interesting suppositions...

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Bill of Rights: You either Love it or you HATE it. There is NO 'in-between'.]

211 ornery elephant  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 4:12:43pm

okay...later everyone, time to go foraging on some tree tops and mujahadeen huts.

212 Chuck Pelto  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 4:19:48pm

TO: All
RE: The Previous Post, a la Proper Prioities

The point here is that if you don't have your 'priorities' in their proper order, you are FUBAR!

I think the cretins at the NYT, WaPo and LAT are in that condition. And, attempting to 'manufacture consensus' they are an enemy to the Constitution of the United States.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[We has met the enemy and they is us. -- Pogo]

213 mondoreb  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 4:19:52pm

re: #199 Eowyn2

Didnt they already have a fatwa on her head?

Uh oh...
The Dreaded Double Fatwa!
They kill you til you're legally dead...then bring you back and behead you.

(I think)

214 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 4:29:36pm
215 WimbledonWomble  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 4:30:21pm

The NY Times is staffed by Head-in-the-Sanders, only slightly more objective than some PBS "commentators." As one hears on PBS or reads in the NY Times, the world is a place where most people act rationally, with the exception of the Bush administration. Muslims throughout the world, so they say again and again, can simply be negotiated with and all will be well. On PBS today, they were talking about how incoherent Bush foreign policy is when they want to label Iran's Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization, yet they *must* negotiate with Iran. It is not clear if the leadership of Iran can be negotiated with, but even if this were the case, only liberals would suggest that putting pressure on them first makes us weaker in seeking negotiation. They don't get human nature, much less Islamist human nature. Then someone on PBS suggested that the label is in fact not part of some incoherence, but a ruse to create justification for war without having to consult Congress. Et cetera.

The way liberals handle CAIR is the same deal. Be nice. Be soft. Spread the love. And they will love you and respond to you in a rational manner.

What kind of naive idiots are they? The truth is, such liberals are possibly (1) are so ideologically brainwashed that they *have* to believe all people good and motivated by sincere and legitimate concerns, (2) just plain old idiots in their adolescent naivete or (3) subversive sympathizers and active facilitators themselves (rather than just poor deluded useful idiots).

The NY Times, much of PBS and all those similarly leftie have to be acting the way they do because of one of these three possibilities. I'd say it's mostly 1 and 2 in the case of the MSM, with some exceptions. The netroots/Kos crowd certainly has an even higher proportion of people falling into category 3.

Whatever the reason, they are all useful idiots or something verging on being traitors. There is no other way to parse it.

216 FightingBack  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 4:35:50pm

re: #133 Mich-again
Ooh, I like the glasses.
Only the eyes are covered; everything else is not.
It's like inversion burkha... reversion burkha...

217 Render  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 4:37:08pm

[Link: flickr.com...]

IZZAT
HER?,
R

218 stevieray  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 4:37:52pm

re: #215 WimbledonWomble

Good stuff!

219 FightingBack  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 4:39:26pm

re: #133 Mich-again

Where is his hand?

220 Render  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 4:43:44pm

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

That Princess Reem.

SKIN
DEEP,
R

221 saywhat?  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 5:01:17pm

re: #103 Mentat

OT:

Very funny rant about Islam:

Thanks for that! I've seen him before and his presence and accent provide a dignified tone to this most amusing and very satisfying rant. The only issue I take with his rant is his reference to 'radical islam' as opposed to simply 'islam'. Otherwise, he's stated it perfectly.

There is another rant listed . . .more up to date regarding the banned demonstration in Brussels for 9/11 anniversary.

222 WimbledonWomble  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 5:28:34pm

re: #218 stevieray

re: #215 WimbledonWomble

Good stuff!

Thanks. I said PBS but it's also NPR, if not more so. They are both the same in my mind. I like some stuff on PBS and NPR a lot, but they also go as far left as possible in "mainstream" media on other stuff, so far that one has to wonder why the heck do they get public funds. Anyway, I just don't get a lot of the stuff they put on. It's almost insane in its let's just all get along simplicity.

There are two big issues facing us today. The threat of Islamists and Islamification of the West is one.

The other is an issue I wish the right had not conceded to the left. Not so much the "environment," as in alarmist shrieking about global warming. It seems to me that there is some global warming going on, and some of it seems to be due to burning of fossil fuels, etc., but Gore doesn't get it when he spins this into an apocalyptic scenario. The impact is probably small compared to the normal fluxes related to eccentricities in the Earth's orbit and other factors. We know that there are ice ages that occur (and they are not the result of any human activity) and periods of warming. In addition, the climate system is a feedback system. More CO2 also means that forested areas will move northward, with more trees in areas that are now tundras. That will then absorb a lot of CO2. The climate models do not predict sudden catastrophe, just gradual change. And again the human element here is probably small compared to normal fluctuations.

But there is another environmental issue that is a real issue. The loss of raw unadulterated nature. This falls more under the category of conservationism, if you want to give human action related to it a name. Teddy Roosevelt was the first and maybe only conservationist US president. Interestingly, the other great president in terms of environmental issues was Richard Nixon. These are the greatest environmentalist presidents, and both were presidents.

What I think is a major issue is just maintaining some space that is undeveloped nature, without development or too much human encroachment, where God's creatures can live without people-pressure. That's one thing that is great about the US. If you've ever taken a train through Europe, you see that there is little real nature left. Just little forests here and there. I want the US and whatever is left of the rest of the world retain some breathing space for non-human nature.

Conservationism to me is conservative. It is preserving what has been there since before we were here. Also, it's like preserving the "Garden of Eden" of natural beauty without making it all into strip malls or housing developments for people fleeing the crime of cities.

So I think confronting Islamist nihilism and conservationism, just preserving the uncontaminated and unadulturated free spaces we have, are the two biggest issues we face.

I don't see liberals concerned about either. When they talk about the environment, it's just stupid silly global warming apocalypse scenarios. It's not about preserving the beauty of nature in its pristine state. Obviously, in terms of the Islamist threat, they are totally clueless.

223 6pat6  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 5:39:01pm

Doogie, you, your un-indicted co-conspirators, and the NYT can all kindly kiss my America-loving ass.

224 southernborn  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 5:39:39pm

re: #209 Prisoner of Diesel
The one wearing my mom's tablecloth has some long ass arms

225 mich-again  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 5:46:45pm

I think the girl is Paris Hilton's cousin, Beirut.

226 FightingBack  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 5:48:05pm

re: #225 mich-again
ROFLMAO!

227 ubercheesehead  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 6:51:54pm

re: #222 WimbledonWomble

Very thoughtful post. I think you are right on both counts. BTW, which Womble of Wimbledon are you?

228 Mich-again  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 6:55:02pm

re: #226 FightingBack

Here is a directory from that same newspaper's website of all sorts of pictures of the Saudi Prince. Dude gets around thats for sure. And he can go with tablecloth and curtains look just as easily as the Armani suit and slicked back hair.

And in that directory of his photos there are a handful with the word Domsmile in the filename, and I think its the mystery woman from the picture. She must somehow be associated with Alaweed. And this is where it gets bizarre. In this picture of "Domsmile" she is showing her left boob. And she hangs out with the Saudi Prince? How does that add up?

229 WimbledonWomble  Fri, Aug 17, 2007 7:41:49pm

re: #227 ubercheesehead

re: #222 WimbledonWomble

Very thoughtful post. I think you are right on both counts. BTW, which Womble of Wimbledon are you?

Wellington!

230 ubercheesehead  Sat, Aug 18, 2007 4:54:35am

re: #229 WimbledonWomble

I always thought Orinoco was cool.

231 LoneSome Journey  Sat, Aug 18, 2007 9:05:32am

A story that may yet take place. When editors have no soul and no backbone, anything is possible.

Following months of pressure from cair and an infusion of hundreds of millions of dollars from saudi arabia, "the old gray lady" is no more. For many years declining circulation and provable charges of bias and corruption in the "reporting" of the ny times, time has come for a change.

the nytimes could have chosen the path of honor and redemption in which the times editorial staff wrote an editorial admitting their past actions in an effort to destroy the Bush Administration, prop up the occupation of SICK WILLIE and the disastrous though of an occupation by hitlery. But the nytimes, as we have all grown to see, has NO HONOR, NO INTEGRITY and as such sold its "soul" to the arab and muslim propaganda machines.

Today, the nytimes has become The arab and mulsim Times A propaganda outlet like no other. Each day it will be your source for even more distortions and lies and attacks on Republicans, Conservatives, Christians and Jews.

In the a&mt, each day there will be an editorial denouncing Jews and Christians as groups that want to take over the world. Unlike the islamic cult, according to I M alyr, new CEO, Christians and Jews have no morals but want to force everyone on their knees to praise GOD, They set absurd standards and demand that everyone live up to such standards. Mr. alyr stated that such people inter fer with the principals of the islamic cult and therefore must be eliminated. Mr alyr called for a jihad in America to destroy every symbol that reflects these two religions and is demanding that Congress pass laws to ban both groups as a threat to the islamic cult. Members of one party in Washington are joining with alyr on this quest. Rumors are that SICK WILLIE was the first to sign on as the rudiments of Christianity are a source of irritation to his "prowlings".


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