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By: Charles Johnson • Aug 19, 2007 at 1:11 pm PDT

Here’s a wacky “debate” between a raving Islamist (currently living on the dole in Britain), and an Arab intellectual who totally rocks. The moderator of the show is clearly on the side of the raving Islamist. (Courtesy of MEMRI TV.)

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1 mondoreb  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:12:10pm

Another great video

2 galloping granny  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:12:50pm

I fail to see why Britain insists on keeping islamist "imams" on the dole in the UK.

3 ripper  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:14:37pm

I agree with Granny. They Brits have been begging for this for a generation, supporting both these imams and their followers on the dole.

Wouldn't you love to put this guy and a scientologist in a padded cell somewhere, and see who comes out?

4 Perplexed  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:14:55pm
Islamists are the masters of the world.

Point that finger at me hoss and I will snap it off and feed it to my dogs.

During the upcoming few years we will see who is the 'master' of the world. Clue, it isn't anyone who follows the prophet for profit.

5 EtNorskTroll  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:16:58pm

Sorry about going OT so soon, but something is SERIOUSLY wrong in Israel:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Pray for Israel. It's not the place I remember...

~Norsk Troll

6 soul surfer  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:17:01pm

usually media player vids work for me...not this time...not sure why?

7 Caliredst8r  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:18:29pm

"and you will see that Islamists are the masters of their domain!"

8 Dayenu  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:19:31pm

Wow, I highly recommend the transcript.

The Islamist nut claims that Christians eat Turkey on Christmas day in order to symbolize the fact that they beat the Turks... the Ottomons...

Astounding.

And at the end they call each other these fascinating insults. Quentin Teratino should take notes.

9 Lucius Septimius  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:20:36pm

re: #8 Dayenu

The guy knows it's a lie. All he can speak are lies.

10 Ma Sands  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:20:40pm

Absolutely! :) I like that --good summation! :) "They all belong in the madhouse." :)

11 Lucius Septimius  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:22:14pm

This is the voice of Hitler. There is nothing the Islamofascist is saying that is not cut from the cloth of Nazism. There are a few gratuitous references to Islam, but the basic foundation of the rhetoric is fascism. Central is the idea of perpetual war as what defines the identity of the "Ummah."

12 mondoreb  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:22:35pm

re: #6 soul surfer

usually media player vids work for me...not this time...not sure why?

I just clicked on the picture.

13 EtNorskTroll  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:24:37pm

Wow~!

This guy really "gets it", doesn't he?

"We are the prey between two groups: The military dictators and the Islamic extremists".

"We don't have Democracy, we don't even know what it is~!"

"A ballot box is not Democracy. A ballot box is just a box of glass."

I like the cut his jib. This Arab Intellectual should be bandied about all over Islamistan...until he has his head cut off by the Adherents of The Religion of Peace, that is.

Death Fatwah issued against this guy in 5, 4, 3, ...

~Norsk Troll

14 Li'l Mamzer  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:24:59pm

Curious to hear how reasonable the guy in the striped shirt would sound if the topic were Israel.

Not holding my breath his apparent sanity would hold up well.

15 mondoreb  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:25:05pm

Well, at least he got the part right where he says, "We do not understand democracy!"

Maybe he should forward that to CAIR. They're having problems with that whole 'democracy concept' thing themselves.

16 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:25:13pm

I am a cancer cell that eats Turkey on Christmas.

FEAR ME!

17 soul surfer  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:25:59pm

well, couldn't see the vid, but the transcript was indeed astounding...good to see there is some reason in that sea of inequity

Too bad Sayid Al Qimni will have a fatwa om him by the end of the day

18 storagemanager  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:26:32pm
The Islamists are always the ones who help people, and save them from their plight. They are active, and that is why they are envied by these microbes, which have spread their ideology throughout our countries. These Islamists, even in Jordan... Take any place in the world, and you will see that the Islamists are the masters of the world. There are no real men except for the people of Islam. Look at the people who give reason to hold the head of Islam high. In politics – they are the masters. In the battlefield – they are the masters. They are the ones who rub in the mud the nose of the occupation forces in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Palestine, and throughout the world. The perpetuality of the conflict makes them strong. In contrast, what is the contribution of those who are devoid of any ideology, whose faith has been deformed, who are divorced of their religion? What have they contributed? The only thing they have contributed is destruction. They are evil omens for their peoples. They lead their people to hell. The masses must vomit them from their midst. They should be placed in public squares, so that people can hit them with their shoes and spit on them. Their place is with the occupiers.

Interviewer: We got the idea. Thank you very much.

Sayid Al-Qimni: This man uses filthy and nauseating language. To hell with him.

Hani Al-Sibai: "My tongue is sharp, and has no flaw, and my sea is too vast for your buckets," Qimni.

Sayid Al-Qimni: You are completely insane. Go away. Go. What, all the garbage dumps were closed and they had to go the sewage to get you?

[...]

Our colleges and universities are not recognized in the world. The universities of Cairo and Ein Shams are ranked below 3,000 in the world. We do not have education. Look at the universities today – all you can see is the hijab and niqab. You see a single pupil peering through an eye of a needle. What is this – a centaur?

19 Ma Sands  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:26:45pm

re: #13 EtNorskTroll

I don't want his head cut off! ): He's nice!

20 jfromfolsomca  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:27:53pm

Wow, what a contrast between these two gents. One was a raving idiot and the other (Arab intellectual) was a voice of reason, clearly stating what he thinks are the root causes of the problems facing ME culture. I'm not sure, but it seemed like the intellectual was not islamic? Or at least he realizes the flaws in the islamic culture.

j

21 cbinflux  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:28:16pm

re: #2 galloping granny

I fail to see why Britain insists on keeping islamist "imams" on the dole in the UK.


It's so hard to work when you're down the road with your arse up in the air most of the day

22 sheik yer'mami  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:28:30pm

Scum. Pure scum...

[Link: sheikyermami.com...]

UK: Brownshirts, Assclowns & Climate Changers

[Link: sheikyermami.com...]

23 bulwrk  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:29:48pm

re: #8 Dayenu

The Islamist nut claims that Christians eat Turkey on Christmas day in order to symbolize the fact that they beat the Turks... the Ottomons...


The bulwrk household always has ham on Christmas to celebrate our victory over Thanksgiving.

/

ah hell we just like ham

24 Van Impe  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:29:49pm
Al-Sibai lives with his wife and five children in a £600,000 four-bedroom housing association home in a fashionable area of Hammersmith, west London.

A British lizard may correct me, but I believe this means that said house is provided by the British taxpayers. So not only is he on the dole he also gets a home worth $1.1 million US$.

25 nevergiveup  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:29:53pm

re: #8 Dayenu

Wow I never knew that about turkey. To be honest I don't like turkey all that much and usually eat what ever else there is even on thanksgiving. But now that I know eating it is an insult to Islam, well guess I am going to have to each a little every day!

26 sheik yer'mami  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:30:33pm

'Out of context' of course, what did you think?

27 mondoreb  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:31:17pm

re: #8 Dayenu

Wow, I highly recommend the transcript.
The Islamist nut claims that Christians eat Turkey on Christmas day in order to symbolize the fact that they beat the Turks... the Ottomons...
Astounding.
And at the end they call each other these fascinating insults. Quentin Teratino should take notes.

If this guy realized the mocking he's gonna take for this, he'd hide his camel in shame.

The best thing we can do is publish and let people listen to these lunatics.

28 Lucius Septimius  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:31:25pm

re: #25 nevergiveup

re: #8 Dayenu

Wow I never knew that about turkey. To be honest I don't like turkey all that much and usually eat what ever else there is even on thanksgiving. But now that I know eating it is an insult to Islam, well guess I am going to have to each a little every day!

Uh, that's not why we eat turkey on Thanksgiving.

29 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:31:50pm

Why is the sane one considered a liberal? UK Islamist vs. Arab Liberal

30 Daisy  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:32:18pm

The intellectual says, "The ballot box alone does not constitute democracy" And, "Our universities rank below 3000 in the world"

The Islamofascist screams paranoid fantasies concerning confusion about eating turkey and eating Islamists.

The wimp of a moderator gets a look of longing in his eyes while lusting after the Islamofascist.

One of these guys is a dead man walking and it's not the fascist or the wimp.

Pretty scary.

31 eff plus  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:32:31pm

i have some thoughts about this, but i'll have to wait to post them - i'm too busy eating this turkey sandwich - yummy!

32 zombie  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:32:34pm

Great video. I just watched the whole thing. That "liberal intellectual" from Egypt was great. He told the truth, "Wafa Sultan-style."

33 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:32:52pm
34 EtNorskTroll  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:33:07pm

re: #19 Ma Sands

re: #13 EtNorskTroll

I don't want his head cut off! ): He's nice!

I don't mean us, Ma. I mean the Islamofascists will issue a Death Fatwa against him soon, because what he says makes sense: "Our Universities are ranked below 3,000~!" and then he goes on to ask why.

Such questions aren't allowed in Isslime.

You watch--this guy will be dead soon.

The blood-guzzling, pagan, Babylonian moon-god "Allah" demands it~!

~Norsk Troll

35 mondoreb  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:33:30pm

re: #18 storagemanager

They should be placed in public squares, so that people can hit them with their shoes and spit on them.

I shudder whenever the infamous Muslim Foot Fetish raises it's ugly head?!?

(3 body references in one sentence--a personal best)

36 NoSubmission  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:34:58pm

Important video. The contrast between the modern world and the raving neanderthals we are fighting could not be more clear.

Women have been turned into soldiers and slaves.
Turkey is the new battleground for the rise of the ummah.

37 storagemanager  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:35:06pm

Maybe we should eat turkey on Ramadan.

38 mondoreb  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:35:55pm

re: #18 storagemanager

Sayid Al-Qimni: This man uses filthy and nauseating language. To hell with him.

Hani Al-Sibai: "My tongue is sharp, and has no flaw, and my sea is too vast for your buckets," Qimni.

Sayid Al-Qimni: You are completely insane. Go away. Go. What, all the garbage dumps were closed and they had to go the sewage to get you?

You have to admit, it's Must-see TV. I mean, the dialog beats most of what I've seen on TV.

39 cbinflux  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:35:57pm

a POWERFUL video

40 Daisy  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:36:07pm

re: #35 mondoreb

I fail to understand the connection iin Islam between shoes & violence.

41 EtNorskTroll  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:36:56pm

re: #37 storagemanager

Maybe we should eat turkey on Ramadan.

I prefer eating smoked pork butt, storagemanager.

Tangy, smoked pork butt.

Yum~!

~ENT

42 cbinflux  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:36:59pm

re: #24 Van Impe

And Imam's are supposed to be supported by their herds -- to be an Imam

43 Ma Sands  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:37:01pm

re: #34 EtNorskTroll

Gah!

Well...least I can do is pray one of those "hedges of protection" around him...give him a chance at least, until some B.T.J. guy comes trekking by & gives him the rest of the truth...

44 Sizzlack  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:37:02pm

Why are these loons always shouting at the top of their lungs when trying to get their point across. Its almost as if they know their argument is ridiculous, so they figure the angrier they look and louder they are, the more legitimate people might perceive them to be. All I'm hearing is Accchhh, Accchhh and a few Allahs here and there.

45 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:37:08pm
46 bulwrk  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:37:48pm

re: #40 Daisy

It has something to do with showing the bottom of ones feet is a grevious insult in islam.

47 cbinflux  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:38:26pm

BTW, their surgeons are pitiful!

48 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:38:51pm

Unfortunately, if I were this moderate intellectual, I wouldn't be buying green bananas.

Too bad. The world needs to hear from more like him

49 EtNorskTroll  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:38:53pm

re: #40 Daisy

re: #35 mondoreb

I fail to understand the connection iin Islam between shoes & violence.

It's a cultural thing, Daisy: Hitting someone with the shoe is one of the most insulting/degrading things you can do to someone. The shoe is considered unclean (if you've ever lived in a Muslim country, you'd know just why this is so. Suffice it to say "yuck!" covers it).

~ENT

50 mondoreb  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:39:01pm

re: #40 Daisy

I fail to understand the connection iin Islam between shoes & violence.

The Arabs have this mind-link between feet, shoes and humiliation.

51 zombie  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:39:06pm

This is the second time this week I've seen some Muslim nutcase repeat the crazy theory about "eating turkey" symbolizing eating the "Muslim man." It must be some cultural meme that's intentionally being promoted.

Needless to say, it's complete balderdash.

52 Lucius Septimius  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:40:19pm

re: #33 buzzsawmonkey

re: #25 nevergiveup

Just because the lunatic claims that turkey is "an insult to Islam" doesn't mean he is correct.

It is, in fact, likely that turkeys acquired their name because their plumage was what is known as "Turkey red," i.e., similar in color to what once were known as "Turkey carpets," or Oriental rugs.

The tradition only goes back to the 19th century, and mostly has to do with the number of people one would be feeding off of a single bird. As the poultry science gurus at Auburn University (War Eagle!) say,


"The turkey is a meat-making powerhouse," Moran said. "Compared to the broiler, it's a far more economic way of producing poultry meat. Seventy to 75 percent of a turkey is meat compared to only 55 to 60 percent for a broiler. And the entire age-to-market cycle takes about 16-18 weeks."

Besides, if we were going to celebrate the defeat of the Turks at Vienna, we would drink the German punch known as "Turkenblut"

53 EtNorskTroll  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:40:21pm

PIMF: Bottom of the shoe is considered unclean

~ENT

54 Wishbone  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:40:37pm

re: #24 Van Impe

'Tis true mate. Not everybody in a housing association home is getting the rent bill paid for by the state, but the ones who don't are a rare exception. It's also true that most hard qorking tax payers despise having to pay for the bastards.

55 cbinflux  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:40:40pm

Gives new meaning to the old Turkish saying, " a man often digs his own grave
with his own fork"

56 Outrider  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:40:49pm

Hani al-Sibai has claimed his words had been "mistranslated and taken out of context".

Are the Muslims the only people that can speak Arabic? Every time the are called out on their remarks or writings, we are told the text has been "mistranslated and taken out of context".

Every single time I contacted an Islamic site to pose a question or two that I had based on my copy of the Qur'an (translated by Abdullah Yusaf Ali, which is supposed to be the most legitimate of translations) I have been told that my translation is bad or the quote is "out of context". I have been told the same thing by Muslim acquaintances. (you know the line by now-Islam is a religion of love and peace /sarc)

At what point in time is this excuse no longer valid? At what point will the Muslims be held accountable for their words, much less their actions?

Personally I am tired of this subterfuge and war of words taking place in our own countries.

57 NoSubmission  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:42:37pm

re: #51 zombie

This is the second time this week I've seen some Muslim nutcase repeat the crazy theory about "eating turkey" symbolizing eating the "Muslim man." It must be some cultural meme that's intentionally being promoted.


This is the first time I'm hearing it. It just gets more and more stupid.

58 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:43:18pm

Speaking of wacky, I came across a classic Kos Kid diary, which I dissect here.

The original is entitled Facism is the acting out of delusion.

Yes, facism.

Incoherent does not quite begin to describe it.

59 bulwrk  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:43:26pm

re: #51 zombie

The concept of enjoyment without some underlying meaning is foreign to islam.

60 Gaye Kukkin-Offenyam  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:43:32pm

The sane one has got to be Jack Kruschen, Dr. Dreyfuss in the Apartment with Jack Lemmon and Shirley MacLean. I didn't know he was an Arab. I always thought he was a nice Joooish boy.

61 Lucius Septimius  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:43:57pm

re: #57 NoSubmission

re: #51 zombie


This is the second time this week I've seen some Muslim nutcase repeat the crazy theory about "eating turkey" symbolizing eating the "Muslim man." It must be some cultural meme that's intentionally being promoted.


This is the first time I'm hearing it. It just gets more and more stupid.

The problem is that people start to believe their lies the more they hear them. I have no doubt that before too long I'll have a student pop up in class with that statement.

62 BingoBunny  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:44:18pm

Britain renames turkeys .. Queen birds to show no disrespect to Turkey in 5..4...3..2..1

and bans anyone on welfare from being on TV in 3..2..1

and think they have met the challenge of Islamofacists in ?

63 mondoreb  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:44:32pm

re: #56 Outrider

At what point in time is this excuse no longer valid? At what point will the Muslims be held accountable for their words, much less their actions?

Excellent points, all.

However, I think it important that there is NO misunderstanding or mistranslation of our point:

You keep screwing with us, you're gonna get us mad. And then, we're gonna pound both you and your camel.

64 beavereater  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:44:54pm

The guy looks and sounds like Geraldo after 10 weeks in a Mexico swamp!

65 serpentine fire  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:44:55pm

re: #8 Dayenu

Wow, I highly recommend the transcript.

The Islamist nut claims that Christians eat Turkey on Christmas day in order to symbolize the fact that they beat the Turks... the Ottomons...

Scary huh? An Islamic literalist.

66 Lucius Septimius  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:45:45pm

re: #58 JammieWearingFool

Speaking of wacky, I came across a classic Kos Kid diary, which I dissect here.

The original is entitled Facism is the acting out of delusion.

Yes, facism.

Incoherent does not quite begin to describe it.

"Facism" -- is that giving preference to faces, as opposed to other body parts?

"He kept looking into my eyes instead of at my buttocks. I just couldn't take any more of his blatant facism."

67 bulwrk  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:46:49pm

re: #50 mondoreb

islam and Brent Mussberger.

68 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:47:53pm

re: #65 serpentine fire

re: #8 Dayenu


Wow, I highly recommend the transcript.

The Islamist nut claims that Christians eat Turkey on Christmas day in order to symbolize the fact that they beat the Turks... the Ottomons...


Scary huh? An Islamic literalist.

I guess we in the West eat our Thanksgiving "TURKEY" on a nice set of "CHINA" to show our dominance of that nation also, huh !?!?!?

69 EtNorskTroll  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:48:08pm

Gotta jam. See you all later.

~ENT

70 mondoreb  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:48:18pm

re: #67 bulwrk

islam and Brent Mussberger.

Another mind-link is born!

71 MattMacD  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:48:34pm

I don't know why these people are allowed to stay in this country, it makes me so angry, and sad. :(

72 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:49:06pm

re: #66 Lucius Septimius

A sampling:

Which means what? It means we never "one up" ANYTHING. Immediacy ongoingness is reality process and it's the self activity of that which is already the case. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be. The ancient Chinese word for nature is tzu-jan, which means (roughly) that which is so of itself. So nowing is the of-itself-soing of that which is so of itself. Only hubris thinks this spontaneous ongoingness is in any way "one upped" or caused by a meaningless separate self.

It's probaly too long for rotating head material, but "So nowing is the of-itself-soing of that which is so of itself" is a gem.

73 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:49:14pm

re: #68 sattv4u2

re: #65 serpentine fire


re: #8 Dayenu

Wow, I highly recommend the transcript.
The Islamist nut claims that Christians eat Turkey on Christmas day in order to symbolize the fact that they beat the Turks... the Ottomons...

Scary huh? An Islamic literalist.

I guess we in the West eat our Thanksgiving "TURKEY" on a nice set of "CHINA" to show our dominance of that nation also, huh !?!?!?


And don;'t forget, after roasting the TURKEY we dispose of the GREASE ( just a clever Western way to spell GREECE)

74 troonbop  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:50:01pm

It's maddening to think how hilarious and forgettable these "people" would be if they weren't willing to blow themselves up. And i guess that's why they do it or talk other people into it.

75 M. Bensson-Levi  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:50:21pm

re: #60 Gaye Kukkin-Offenyam

Marvelous nic you've chosen. Fills me with nostalgia, for my misspent youth. How often I heard the phrase.

Welcome aboard, BTW.

76 Piglet-U93  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:50:38pm

I can see it coming: UK announces that all turkey images, replicas and real (live, raw or cooked) will now be banned from all government offices, schools in order to NOT offend Muslim sensitivities.

Inch by inch Islam is a bitch.

77 Lucius Septimius  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:50:49pm

re: #72 JammieWearingFool

I read the article, and that last line stuck in my head too. No earthly what it means. One toke over line ...

Still, I like my idea of "Facism" even better. I wouldn't at all be surprised if there is a leftard-deconstructionist theory of that out there somewhere.

78 serpentine fire  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:51:16pm

I'm gonna go eat a banana which symbolizes exploitative capitalism's victory over various third world plantation nations. Viva la United Fruit Company!

79 Lucius Septimius  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:52:04pm

I'm getting the image of the perfect menu for the "American Imperialist Oppressor" dinner party.

80 Canadian Infidel  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:52:25pm

The turkey idea was funny.
So what does it mean when we smoke Camels?

81 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:53:33pm

re: #80 Canadian Infidel

The turkey idea was funny.
So what does it mean when we smoke Camels?


It means some Arab has to WALK thru the dessert !

82 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:53:35pm

re: #77 Lucius Septimius

re: #72 JammieWearingFool

I read the article, and that last line stuck in my head too. No earthly what it means. One toke over line ...

Still, I like my idea of "Facism" even better. I wouldn't at all be surprised if there is a leftard-deconstructionist theory of that out there somewhere.

I'm sure there is.

That diary strikes me as one of those where the author was reveling in his own brilliance while stoned out of his mind.

That or it's Sean Penn under a pseudonym.

83 Gaye Kukkin-Offenyam  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:53:56pm

re: #75 M. Bensson-Levi

Thanks for the welcome. Don't tell anybody what it means or I might get into trouble.

84 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:54:36pm
85 filetandrelease  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:54:52pm

Yeah, going home to have a bowl of Chili to express my domination over that country.

86 wargammer2005  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:55:01pm

why the BLEEP are the british tax-payers paying for these assholes?

why the BLEEP does the US tax-payer do just about the same?

you want freedom?

EARN IT!

87 pietercleppe  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:55:06pm

The guy from Egypt is a hero! He even dared to criticise the university system of his country... If these kind of guys get their way, they will stab the European and American islamofascists in the back.

88 Van Impe  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:55:09pm
I guess we in the West eat our Thanksgiving "TURKEY" on a nice set of "CHINA" to show our dominance of that nation also, huh !?!?!?

I will never look upon Canadian bacon the same way again!

89 Canadian Infidel  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:55:10pm

re: #81 sattv4u2

Alone, with no 'companion'... Sad.

90 Outrider  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:55:35pm

re: #63 mondoreb

However, I think it important that there is NO misunderstanding or mistranslation of our point:
You keep screwing with us, you're gonna get us mad. And then, we're gonna pound both you and your camel.


At some point, words have to be backed with action. After we failed to take action with the invasion of our Iranian embassy, the radicals were emboldened. After repeated incidents worldwide, with no action being taken, it was no longer the terrorists and radicals that were involved and many average citizens took to the streets supporting the terrorists and radicals because they knew nothing would be done. Elements of their own governments supported these actions, either tacitly or overtly, and frequently encouraged these "spontaneous" demonstrations or riots.
Perhaps if the Western world got their heads out of their collective as*es right now, we might still be able to salvage our way of life, but it will be a long hard fight. Especially as we have so many people in the West that are either not aware of what is happening, don't care, or are actively assisting (for whatever reason).

91 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:56:05pm

re: #8 Dayenu

The Islamist nut claims that Christians eat Turkey on Christmas day in order to symbolize the fact that they beat the Turks... the Ottomons...

Astounding

re: #51 zombie

This is the second time this week I've seen some Muslim nutcase repeat the crazy theory about "eating turkey" symbolizing eating the "Muslim man." It must be some cultural meme that's intentionally being promoted.

Needless to say, it's complete balderdash.

When I heard that about eating turkey at Christmas, I couldn't believe it. How ridiculous! Does anybody know which came first: turkey or Turkey?

92 Ma Sands  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:56:57pm

The North American turkey got its name by mistake, I just found...it was mistaken for the guinea fowl that had originally come from Turkey by way of Portugal...or so this book says... :)

93 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:56:58pm

re: #89 Canadian Infidel

re: #81 sattv4u2

Alone, with no 'companion'... Sad.

Hey , maybe thats where the phrase GO POUND SAND came from,,, he lost his CAMEL to pound !

94 storagemanager  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:57:06pm
The US announced on Sunday evening that it would begin training Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas's Presidential Guard in the fall, Israel Radio reported.
The US vowed two months ago to continue financing the training program, headed by Lt.-Gen. Keith Dayton, despite Hamas's takeover of the Gaza Strip

.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

95 Lucius Septimius  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:57:35pm

re: #84 buzzsawmonkey

re: #52 Lucius Septimius

You are speaking of the tradition of eating turkey. I was referring to the probable origins of the name of the bird.

Oh, I know -- I was just adding emphasis to the point that (our posts taken together) show that neither the name or the bird nor the traditions of eating it have anything to do with the siege of Vienna or any some such.

That said, I can easily see this little lie making its way into conventional wisdom, particularly in parts left, by November.

96 wargammer2005  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:57:49pm

re: #8 Dayenu

the problem with that is what are turkeys called in other countires?

(but facts do not matter to fools, democrats (i am being redundent there), nazis (redundent again), commies (redunden))

97 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:58:00pm
98 Lucius Septimius  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:58:30pm

re: #91 reine.de.tout

See me and Buzzsawmonkey's posts above.

99 Canadian Infidel  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:58:32pm

I'm part polish, I'm conflicted about how I should feel about people eating Polish sausage. Kind of turned on actually...

100 bulwrk  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:58:40pm

re: #85 filetandrelease

I've always felt eating a triple delux Wendys cheeseburger was an insult to Greece.

101 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:58:58pm
102 clear vision  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:58:59pm

I can't decide which I like better, the Turkey We Eat to Show our Domination Theory, or the Joooish Propaganda of Tom and Jerry Theory.

Which to pick, which to pick. This is a tough one.

103 Killian Bundy  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:59:05pm

re: #84 buzzsawmonkey

All the above does not in any way undercut the strong likelihood that it was the red of Turkey carpets which inspired the early colonists to name the unfamiliar game bird of the New World a "turkey."

Naming

When Europeans first encountered turkeys in the Americas, they incorrectly identified the birds as a type of guinea fowl (Numida meleagris), also known as a turkey-cock from its importation to Central Europe through Turkey, and the name of that country stuck as the name of the bird. The confusion is also reflected in the scientific name: meleagris is Greek for guinea-fowl.

/FWIW

104 Miss Trixie  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:59:18pm

CanadianInfidel

Afternoon, mister. :) Any progress on your Immigration reform ideas?

105 zombie  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:59:28pm

re: #84 buzzsawmonkey

Actually, from what I know, the "turkey" is so named because it looked like a big guinea fowl -- a bird which originally did come from Turkey.

Here's more detail:

The derviation of the term "turkey":

turkey
1541, "guinea fowl" (Numida meleagris), imported from Madagascar via Turkey, by Near East traders known as turkey merchants. The larger North American bird (Meleagris gallopavo) was domesticated by the Aztecs, introduced to Spain by conquistadors (1523) and thence to wider Europe, by way of North Africa (then under Ottoman rule) and Turkey (Indian corn was originally turkey corn or turkey wheat in Eng. for the same reason). The word turkey was first applied to it in Eng. 1555 because it was identified with or treated as a species of the guinea fowl. The Turkish name for it is hindi, lit. "Indian," probably via Fr. dinde (contracted from poulet d'inde, lit. "chicken from India"), based on the common misconception that the New World was eastern Asia. The New World bird itself reputedly reached England by 1524 at the earliest estimate, though a date in the 1530s seems more likely. By 1575, turkey was becoming the usual main course at an English Christmas. Meaning "inferior show, failure," is 1927 in show business slang, probably from the bird's reputation for stupidity. Meaning "stupid, ineffectual person" is recorded from 1951. Turkey shoot "something easy" is World War II-era, in ref. to marksmanship contests where turkeys were tied behind a log with their heads showing as targets.
106 Lucius Septimius  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:59:30pm

re: #99 Canadian Infidel

Too much information.

107 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:59:34pm

re: #100 bulwrk

re: #85 filetandrelease

I've always felt eating a triple delux Wendys cheeseburger was an insult to Greece.

But it sure puts a smile on Wendys face. And she smokes a camel after !

108 stevieray  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:59:37pm

Here is a lovely new form of capitulation from the land of the appeasers:

Woman Complains About Crime - City Recommends Psychiatric Treatment.

In today’s Le Figaro, Thibaut Danancher covers the story of one woman’s treatment by Paris’ city hall when she complained about vandalism and crime in her neighborhood in the 18th arrondissement: they referred her for Psychiatrist treatment.

snip

On one blog Sylvia Bourdon, a former porn and horror/ B-movie actress is shown to have been given the ultimate Scarlet Letter and being outed as some sort of xenophobe and racist, presumably for wanting to be able to walk safely down the street in a City in a Nation that won’t shut up about the wonders of its’ social model. In Paris, even when an argument to support someone’s views hints at any of this, the characterization becomes the kiss of death.

Dhimmitude to the nth degree.

109 justnobody  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 1:59:53pm

London is quickly becoming home to the worst scum of the earth. They even have people who aren't welcome in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia.

110 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:00:18pm

Koskidz love Chavez...,.
Life in Venezuela: Publicly Funded Elections.

... President Chavez hopes to put an end to foreign influenced elections at the same time he seeks to put an end to forcing political candidates to beg for money from the rich.

When, oh when, we will get publicly funded in the U.S.? That is the only way to insure we have independent candidates who don't need to be millionaires or to beg money from millionaires in order win our most important offices

Publicly funded elections are much easier with only one party.

111 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:00:18pm

re: #97 buzzsawmonkey

re: #91 reine.de.tout


Does anybody know which came first: turkey or Turkey?

See my #33 and #84.

Also, Ma Sands at 92, with another explanation.

112 zombie  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:00:19pm

re: #91 reine.de.tout

Does anybody know which came first: turkey or Turkey?

"Turkey" the nation/region/ethnicity came millennia earlier.

113 TomH999  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:00:37pm

It must be hard to be sane while living amongst the insane.

114 M. Bensson-Levi  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:01:08pm

re: #83 Gaye Kukkin-Offenyam

Those that need to, already know, those that don't won't find out from me.

Sadly, a dying language I believe.

115 JustAVoter  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:01:48pm

The intellectual gives me hope. A fair amount of hope.

The nutjob... oh man...

Let's just hope that reasonable voices, like those of the intellectual, are spread far and wide. "This man uses filthy and nauseating language - to hell with him." Great. Just great. Love it =)

Turkey... oh geez...

116 infidel4ever  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:02:00pm

I am expecting a fatwa on turkey's in 5..4...3..2..1

Good grief, and in the Netherlands these people are supposed to "enrich our culture". Sheesh!

117 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:02:33pm
118 opnion  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:02:48pm

The Islamist has a point. The Brits eat turkey to mock the Turks.
I eat Beef Wellington to mock Wellington. Chicken Kiev? Well that is because I hate that city.
Sliders at White Castle?I mock castles.
That was a look at a raving lunacy that is way to prevelant in Islam.The Egyptian intellectual displayed the voice of reason and common sense.
I do hope that it does not get him killed by some peaceful Muslim.

119 clear vision  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:02:56pm

re: #114 M. Bensson-Levi

There are neighborhoods in Jerusalem where it is spoken in preference to Hebrew. Where there's life there's hope.

120 serpentine fire  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:03:56pm

Muslim men take offense way too easily. That is all.

121 can_u_dig_it?  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:04:21pm

he certainly isn't suffering from the rare Hawaiian disease(lackanooky).
he's definitely a breeder (squeeze them puppies out momma islamist).
does he use the tube still, or drink the water? that's it...the water. bad shit, cause I'm sure he was born normal.
more brecker brothers please mr. johnson.

122 bulwrk  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:04:26pm

The volume of collective knowledge here is impressive.

123 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:04:46pm

re: #97 buzzsawmonkey

re: #91 reine.de.tout


Does anybody know which came first: turkey or Turkey?

See my #33 and #84.

Was Turkey called Anatolia before it was called "Turkey"? When did it start being called Turkey? I can't find anything in the google links I've checked. . .

124 zombie  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:04:51pm

re: #117 buzzsawmonkey

My comment at #105 has more detail. Killian beat me by a minute!

125 zombie  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:05:12pm

By 23 seconds, actually. Drat!

126 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:05:50pm
127 Lucius Septimius  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:07:37pm

re: #121 can_u_dig_it?

I thought the disease was called "Nomoanuki"

128 Miss Trixie  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:08:16pm

re: #105 zombie

Turkey shoot "something easy" is World War II-era, in ref. to marksmanship contests where turkeys were tied behind a log with their heads showing as targets.

When I was just an up-and-coming chef, I worked with this crude and rude (and much liked) massive aussie dude who asked me if I'd like to participate in a "Turkey Shoot". Being the naive and trusting girl I agreed and he roared out loud and said "Awlroighty, then, missy! You gobble and I'll shoot!"

Took a very looong time to live that one down and it still makes me blush.

129 Idle Drifter  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:08:36pm

Wow, does the Fascist know turkeys come from America? Next thing you know he'll put a fatwa on cats to be wiped out for being degrading to women and stirring up emotions in men.

130 Piglet-U93  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:09:22pm

While I am interested in knowing the origins of words. I am inclined to ignore it in this case. The ravings of madmen can sometimes be ignored and this is one of them.

Turkey - another excuse for hating the West (number 34, 097).
We are counting and there is a limit to our toleration of your intolerance.

131 ElKafir  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:10:03pm

re: #22 sheik yer'mami

Scum. Pure scum...

[Link: sheikyermami.com...]

UK: Brownshirts, Assclowns & Climate Changers

[Link: sheikyermami.com...]


Not only Americam but also Australia is muslim land; aborigene people are the descendents of Afghan muslim colonists and native Australians.

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

132 Highrise  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:10:07pm

I don't know how anyone could keep their composure with that islamist loon spewing chunks. I'd have been uncontrollably laughing my ass off if I were the other guy.

I hope Brits write whoever they need to to stop picking up the tab for that idiot. Someone has to say something and call bs when they see it.

133 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:10:20pm
134 Canadian Infidel  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:10:46pm

re: #104 Miss Trixie

CanadianInfidel

Afternoon, mister. :) Any progress on your Immigration reform ideas?

Good afternoon Miss Trixie,

I'm so sorry I didn't e-mail you back. I did get [Link: www.canadiancrusade.com...] registered. I'm still deciding on the exact focus, but as I e-mailed my god-daughter, it will be a political action website asking Canada to review, explain and justify our current immigration policies. I calmed down this week, but when you have people in your community putting up billboards celebrating a terrorist leader, don't you think it might be time to ask more about Canada's immigration policies?

She didn't think so, I still do.
Thank you for asking!

135 Ma Sands  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:10:48pm

re: #125 zombie

And I beat ya both, by over two minutes. :)

136 squarepeg  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:11:23pm

re: #84 buzzsawmonkey

re: #52 Lucius Septimius

You are speaking of the tradition of eating turkey. I was referring to the probable origins of the name of the bird.

Origin: 1545–55; short for Turkey cock and Turkey hen cock and hen of Turkey, first applied to guinea fowl, later confused with the American bird

137 mondoreb  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:22:18pm

re: #90 Outrider

At some point, words have to be backed with action.

They just don't get that a country's prestige means something, especially in that region. Issue warnings, blow up empty buildings, issue warnings, show up that the UN, issue warnings, look stern on 'Hardball'--at some point you have to pound some heads or you pop another Valium and accept that you have to put on a dress.

we have so many people in the West that are either not aware of what is happening, don't care, or are actively assisting (for whatever reason).

Take hope:
the ones who are not aware, awaken.
the ones who don't care: there is a point where they do.
the ones actively assissting: Well, they either are MSM or in government (Pelosi, Murtha, Reid), and we're dealing with them now.

John Murtha doesn't want to engage in the Middle East unless it involves the possiblity of someone in a turban cutting him a check.

138 sheik yer'mami  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:23:34pm

re: #5 EtNorskTroll

No. Its not something that is wrong with Israel: Its something that is wrong with Africa. Malta is being overrun, Italy is being flooded, the Canary Islands of Spain are being overrun from economic migrants (mostly muslim) from Africa. That is NOT Europes responsiblity and it is also not for Israel to encourage large numbers of Africans to keep coming.

Its time to pull the plug. We did enough for Africa. Its time the Africanns did something against the Mugabes and the 100 other dictators who can do no wrong but keep blaming the west for 'colonialism' and every crime THEY commit, while they ride on the Bono-Geldof-UNESCO-worldbank gravy train

139 Beagle  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:23:55pm

"the urine of the Prophet"

Oh no you di-dn't.

What's really weird, but true, and I never get used to it, is the Kossacks being on the side of the bearded raving loony.

140 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:24:45pm

re: #123 reine.de.tout


Does anybody know which came first: turkey or Turkey?

See my #33 and #84.

Was Turkey called Anatolia before it was called "Turkey"? When did it start being called Turkey? I can't find anything in the google links I've checked. . .

Found it. 1923. From Library of Congress Country Studies,

The term Turkey , although sometimes used to signify the Ottoman Empire, was not assigned to a specific political entity or geographic area until the republic was founded in 1923. The conquering Turks called Asia Minor, the large peninsular territory they had wrested from the Byzantine Empire, by its Greek name, Anatolé (sunrise; figuratively, the East), or Anatolia. The term Anatolia is also used when events described affected both that region and Turkish Thrace ("Turkey-in-Europe") because of the two areas' closely linked political, social, and cultural development.


141 squarepeg  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:26:06pm

Hay everyone, this should be an interesting read.

THE DAY REALITY HIT HOME
The writer Andrew Anthony was a committed member of the liberal left - until the attacks of 11 September, 2001. A veteran of CND and Nicaraguan solidarity campaigns, he was astonished at the liberal left's anti-American reaction. And so he began to question other basic assumptions about race, crime and terror - a political journey he charts here, in these exclusive extracts from his compelling new book...

It's at realclearpolitics, and I beat you all to it by 4 minutes and 18 seconds.

142 sheik yer'mami  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:27:04pm

Image: hooper-baby.jpg

What happened to Fibbers coffee filter?

143 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:27:45pm

Gonna' be a fatwa on him?

BOISE, Idaho - Rep. Bill Sali has apologized to a Muslim colleague for remarks suggesting the nation's founders never intended for Muslims to serve in Congress.

In an Aug. 8 interview with the conservative Christian-based American Family News Network, Sali also questioned the wisdom of Senate leaders, who last month invited a Hindu clergyman to give the morning prayer in the chamber.

"We have not only a Hindu prayer being offered in the Senate, we have a Muslim member of the House of Representatives now, Keith Ellison from Minnesota. Those are changes — and they are not what was envisioned by the Founding Fathers," Sali said, according to an article on the network's Web site

SNIP

144 Killian Bundy  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:27:48pm

In contrast, what is the contribution of those who are devoid of any ideology, whose faith has been deformed, who are divorced of their religion? What have they contributed?

You mean besides every advancement in human knowledge and modern civilization?

/besides cornering the market on human misery and the carpool lane to Hell, what does Islam offer?

145 Lucius Septimius  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:30:25pm

re: #130 Piglet-U93

No, they can't be ignored. This is just the sort of thing that before too long could, through mindless repetition, end up becoming conventional wisdom. I know it may seem far fetched at the moment, but I can see "Turkey" becoming the next "niggardly" of the English language, a word banned from use on account of complete ignorance of its origins.

One recent example I've been fighting is the myth that the word "cracker" (used to describe white southern males) derives from the fact that they "cracked the whips" on the slaves. I've heard a number of students say it. Only one problem: it's not true. The word is English slang for a braggart, and goes back to at least the seventeenth century. The perpetuation of the myth, however, is used to suggest that all white southerners were directly involved in the oppression of blacks. The myth carries with it profound political implications; that's one of the reasons I've heard it perpetuated (entirely by leftist white folk, I might add)

Totalitarians assert control through manipulating language; control language, control thought.

146 deesine  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:30:31pm

re: #115 JustAVoter

The intellectual gives me hope. A fair amount of hope.

I'm feeling good today, but my first thought after reading that was - I wonder how much danger this appearance will bring him.

147 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:31:40pm

re: #3 ripper

I agree with Granny. They Brits have been begging for this for a generation, supporting both these imams and their followers on the dole.

Wouldn't you love to put this guy and a scientologist in a padded cell somewhere, and see who comes out?

Put him in the eternal prison cell with Xenu.

148 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:31:43pm
149 WimbledonWomble  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:32:21pm

Britain allowed itself to become an Islamist lunatic asylum. It's one of the most striking examples ever of an entire country willing its own demise.

150 Ma Sands  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:32:23pm

re: #143 MandyManners

Well, he was telling the truth, before he backed down...but, it doesn't make much difference, since man's intentions usually don't hold sway in the long run, anyway... :)

151 Render  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:32:26pm

I thought we had turkey on Thanksgiving and Christmas so the menfolk would drift off to sleep instead of watching the football games at family gatherings...

DAD
SAID
SO,
R

152 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:33:02pm

re: #8 Dayenu

Wow, I highly recommend the transcript.

The Islamist nut claims that Christians eat Turkey on Christmas day in order to symbolize the fact that they beat the Turks... the Ottomons...

Astounding.

And at the end they call each other these fascinating insults. Quentin Teratino should take notes.

And here I thought that it was a big bird with a lot of meat on it.

153 Dustyvet  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:33:07pm

Living on the dole, and biting the hand that feeds you? Time for the United Kingdom to consider one way tickets back to the country of origion for these s*** bags.

154 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:33:18pm
155 Lucius Septimius  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:35:53pm

re: #148 buzzsawmonkey

re: #140 reine.de.tout

Turkey was referred to as Turkey, and as "the sick man of Europe," at least as early as the Crimean War in the early-mid 19th century.

Earlier than that "the Turk" as a term of reference to the Ottoman Empire was common by the beginning of the sixteenth century.

156 FrogMarch  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:35:53pm

I'll be your freak-a-zoid ...come on and wind me up...
(warning-- eeew)

Frogman should make he-Mickey t-shirts. I'd buy one!

157 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:35:58pm
158 Lucius Septimius  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:37:16pm

re: #154 buzzsawmonkey

I've heard some of the same jokes about crackers as about poles, so there may be something to that theory.

159 FrogMarch  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:37:48pm

re: #156 FrogMarch


Che-Mickey t-shirts. (that is)

160 Lucius Septimius  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:39:10pm

re: #152 The Other Les

re: #8 Dayenu

Wow, I highly recommend the transcript.

The Islamist nut claims that Christians eat Turkey on Christmas day in order to symbolize the fact that they beat the Turks... the Ottomons...

Astounding.

And at the end they call each other these fascinating insults. Quentin Teratino should take notes.

And here I thought that it was a big bird with a lot of meat on it.

70-73% meat.

Whereas that nut's argument was about 99% Bovine Byproduct

161 Canadian Infidel  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:39:33pm

re: #141 squarepeg

Hay everyone, this should be an interesting read.


THE DAY REALITY HIT HOME
The writer Andrew Anthony was a committed member of the liberal left - until the attacks of 11 September, 2001. A veteran of CND and Nicaraguan solidarity campaigns, he was astonished at the liberal left's anti-American reaction. And so he began to question other basic assumptions about race, crime and terror - a political journey he charts here, in these exclusive extracts from his compelling new book...

It's at realclearpolitics, and I beat you all to it by 4 minutes and 18 seconds.

Squarepeg, thank you very much for the link. I'm part way through part two. Very chilling!

162 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:41:47pm

re: #150 Ma Sands

I'm surprised C.A.I.R. didn't jump all over him.

Ellison was quite gracious.

163 pdogg  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:42:24pm

Ahh, I remember old the story of how the pilgrims beat the Ottomans in battle and then shared the symbolic "Turkey" bird with the Native Americans.

164 lostlakehiker  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:42:41pm

re: #11 Lucius Septimius

Having just watched the old classic movie "Battle of Britain", the scenes where Hitler harangues his crowd came to mind. Put aside the details of the words. The body language, the gestalt, the attitudes are the same.

And the end to which that policy leads? How many worked examples from history do these nuts need to see where they are headed?

How many do we need, to see the need to take prudent countermeasures?

165 Ma Sands  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:42:51pm

re: #158 Lucius Septimius

Now, as I'm partially Polish...hmmm -- where's my scimitar...! Oh, shucks! --I pounded it into a hoe for my veggie garden!


/ :)

166 Ma Sands  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:44:06pm

re: #162 MandyManners

Sigh... ):

167 Lucius Septimius  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:45:20pm

re: #165 Ma Sands

re: #158 Lucius Septimius

Now, as I'm partially Polish...hmmm -- where's my scimitar...! Oh, shucks! --I pounded it into a hoe for my veggie garden!


/ :)

I grew up around Poles and heard most of the best Polish jokes from them. Some of my distant ancestors were Sorbs, not like there are any of them left.

168 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:46:14pm

re: #141 squarepeg

Thank you for linking that!

169 marwan's daughter  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:46:25pm

Now let's see if intellectuals like Sayid al-Quimmi win in the long run. If we pull out of the region, maybe not.

170 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:46:59pm
171 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:47:01pm

re: #118 opnion

The Islamist has a point. The Brits eat turkey to mock the Turks.
I eat Beef Wellington to mock Wellington. Chicken Kiev? Well that is because I hate that city.
Sliders at White Castle?I mock castles.
That was a look at a raving lunacy that is way to prevelant in Islam.The Egyptian intellectual displayed the voice of reason and common sense.
I do hope that it does not get him killed by some peaceful Muslim.

It's the Minnesota Lutherans that you have to watch for.

/sarc

172 GreenDroll  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:48:01pm

Wait until the crazy Islamo's find out what I do with my ottoman!

173 Ma Sands  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:48:15pm

re: #167 Lucius Septimius

Yeah, I've always thought that the "Yankee Doodle song syndrome" was the best way to be... :)

174 BLBfootballs  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:48:49pm

Wow--a very impressive video. I'm sure the State Department will work to isolate the pro-democracy Egyptian intellectual as soon as possible...

175 meMarc  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:49:00pm

Damn, Hani al-Sibai caught on to my trick of eating French fires because I hate the French.

If I didn't love Belgium so much, I'd have a waffle right now.

176 Lucius Septimius  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:49:19pm

re: #164 lostlakehiker

re: #11 Lucius Septimius

Having just watched the old classic movie "Battle of Britain", the scenes where Hitler harangues his crowd came to mind. Put aside the details of the words. The body language, the gestalt, the attitudes are the same.

And the end to which that policy leads? How many worked examples from history do these nuts need to see where they are headed?

How many do we need, to see the need to take prudent countermeasures?

People who believe that the immense power of government can be used for "good" also want to believe that totalitarianism in and of itself is not bad; Hitler was an anomaly, the fault of the wrong people with the wrong ideology getting in power. If the "right" (read left) people had been there instead of him, they could have used the immense power of the state for good.

In other words, their deification of political power makes it impossible for them to see the evil of totalitarianism and to act against it. To do so would be to deny their god.

177 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:49:29pm
178 Lucius Septimius  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:49:48pm

re: #170 buzzsawmonkey

re: #167 Lucius Septimius

Some of my distant ancestors were Sorbs

My thanks to your ancestors for inventing sorbet.

That's Sorbish for "child" donchaknow.

179 BLBfootballs  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:50:43pm

re: #177 buzzsawmonkey

re: #172 GreenDroll

Otto-man, the school bus driver in the Simpsons, makes Springfield the 8,756th holiest site in Islam.

Good thing they don't know where it's located!

180 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:51:14pm

re: #148 buzzsawmonkey

re: #155 Lucius Septimius

Thanks. I'm getting educated here.

181 GreenDroll  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:51:14pm

re #177
LOL

182 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:51:26pm

re: #164 lostlakehiker

re: #11 Lucius Septimius

Having just watched the old classic movie "Battle of Britain", the scenes where Hitler harangues his crowd came to mind. Put aside the details of the words. The body language, the gestalt, the attitudes are the same.

And the end to which that policy leads? How many worked examples from history do these nuts need to see where they are headed?

How many do we need, to see the need to take prudent countermeasures?

Old? Classic?

I remember seeing it from the back seat in the parental vehicle at a (now extinct) drive in theater.

183 CrimsonFisted  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:53:37pm

I could not make it past the turkey part. Why shove a microphone in that face for such insane ramblings. If I were better at vlogging, I would cut that piece and then right after it insert Gene Wilder's "Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: You are talking about the nonsensical ravings of a lunatic mind! "

184 Lucius Septimius  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:54:01pm

re: #182 The Other Les

re: #164 lostlakehiker

re: #11 Lucius Septimius

Having just watched the old classic movie "Battle of Britain", the scenes where Hitler harangues his crowd came to mind. Put aside the details of the words. The body language, the gestalt, the attitudes are the same.

And the end to which that policy leads? How many worked examples from history do these nuts need to see where they are headed?

How many do we need, to see the need to take prudent countermeasures?

Old? Classic?

I remember seeing it from the back seat in the parental vehicle at a (now extinct) drive in theater.

I remember not seeing many movies at drive in theaters, but that's a different story.

185 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:55:27pm
186 meMarc  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:57:14pm

Is eating a Tofurky™ at Christmas more of less of an insult.
If anybody knows, please tell me. I'd hate to offend.

187 Syrah  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:58:14pm

The West must vomit Al-Sibai and his ilk from its midst

188 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:58:24pm
189 Thanos  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:00:04pm

So you are all saying that Salafist Imperialism is just expression of a massive cultural inferiority complex I think.

I'm having crab salad tonight, I guess I should leave out the turkey bacon so as not to upset CAIR.

I'll be back quite a bit later, the water's off while I do some plumbing, wish me luck.

190 Lucius Septimius  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:02:05pm

Thread's dying, but I'm sure the next watch will liven things up.

Must go make dinner. Adio Lizardia.

191 meMarc  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:02:07pm

At the risk of offending two countries, what would happen if a Korean ate an Anatolian Shepherd at Christmas?

Just asking.

192 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:03:36pm

re: #191 meMarc

At the risk of offending two countries, what would happen if a Korean ate an Anatolian Shepherd at Christmas?

Just asking.

Sounds like a porno film to be.

193 meMarc  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:05:09pm

re: #192 The Other Les

I thought I had killed the thread. But I think that honor will now go to you.

194 lobosan5  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:07:42pm

"RIYADH (Reuters) - Hundreds of camels have died in Saudi Arabia this week from a mystery ailment." [Link: www.reuters.com...]

re:
#81

sattv4u2

re: #93 sattv4u2

re: #127 Lucius Septimius

speaking of diseases & camels

195 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:07:52pm

Muslim fighters are masters on the battlefield? This guy is beyond delusional.

His beard is wussiefied.

196 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:09:43pm

Intersting...
Britons 'more suspicious' of Muslims


Only 59 per cent of Britons thought it possible to be both a Muslim and a citizen of their country, a smaller proportion than in France, Germany, Spain, Italy or the US – the other countries polled by Harris Interactive.

British citizens were also the most likely to predict a "major terrorist attack" in their country in the next 12 months; to consider Muslims "a threat to national security", and to believe Muslims had too much political power in their country.

However, on more personal measures of integration – having Muslim friends and accepting the marriage of their child to a Muslim – Britons showed more enthusiasm than some other countries.

197 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:09:47pm
198 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:10:19pm

and you will see that the Islamists are the masters of the world

In yet another comparison of the Islamists with Hitlerian Fascism

The dynamics of political theology seem to dictate that when liberalizing reformers try to conform to the present, they inspire a countervailing and far more passionate longing for redemption in the messianic future. That is what happened in Weimar Germany and is happening again in contemporary Islam.

199 SnakeSpit  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:10:33pm

I want a turkey and ham sandwich.

200 deesine  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:14:25pm

re: #141 squarepeg

Hay everyone, this should be an interesting read.

Thanks for the link, great read. From the article:

A society that places great emphasis on respecting others has next to nothing to say about protecting others.

Andrew is commenting on an attack he witnessed. Ten teenage girls attacked another girl, her face cut open with a broken bottle. Twenty+ people saw the attack but did nothing to stop it.

201 meMarc  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:14:35pm

Terror expert Steve Emerson author of "Jihad in America" is on Bob Brinker's Money Talk in L.A. on KABC 790 AM right now.

Was on earlier in other time zones. That's good news.

202 TimeQuake  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:15:22pm

re: #141 squarepeg

Well, that linked story by Andrew Anthony, sure blows a hole in Shillery's "village" theory. But at least he seems to have woken up to crime.

203 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:15:28pm

re: #197 buzzsawmonkey

HA! I bet The Kid could whip the average Islamist fighter's ass.

That beard. I just can't get over it. Hell, my legs would have a thicker cover if I didn't shave for a month or two.

204 Tigger2005  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:16:03pm

I haven't watched the video, but I'll take Charles' word that the moderator was on the side of the raving Islamist.

You know, I'm pretty much a coward in a lot of ways. I avoided confrontation in school whenever I could, and when I couldn't avoid it I usually melted like warm ice cream. I still get nervous speaking in front of groups, and I can't introduce myself "cold" to an attractive woman to save my life.

But the cowardice on display in the world today is truly astounding. If you know anything about history, you know it's filled with examples of astonishing bravery and sacrifice. Plenty of cowardice to be sure, but plenty of courage as well. And even the cowards felt ashamed for being so. But so many people today ... they simply have no shame at all. Their cowardice is so ingrained, I'm not sure they even realize they're being cowardly. I'm sure they tell themselves their just being "tolerant" and "open-minded" and they probably even believe it.

People like this moderator would gladly throw anyone and anything to the wolves in a desperate bid to save themselves. They are sheep who have turned the sheepdogs into the enemy and the wolves into "poor misunderstood creatures" because they cannot bear to believe that there are things out there that wish to eat them.

When the Islamist takeover is complete they will bow and scrape to their new masters, ever so eager to please, and say, "See? See how we helped you kill the sheepdogs? Aren't we good little dhimmis? We get special privileges now, right?" But their usefulness will be at an end.

205 squarepeg  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:18:11pm

re: #200 deesine

deesine, I just finished it. That quote struck me, too. Another great insight:

The previous summer a burglar had gained access to his [a friend's] house through his two-year-old daughter's bedroom window. He climbed over the little girl's bed as she lay asleep. Because it was such a balmy night my friend had left his daughter's window slightly open. When I heard this, my first thought was, 'How could he have been so slack?' So adjusted had I become to the need to turn one's home into a fortress that I found it unnatural to allow air into a stuffy room. That an intruder would climb in I took, by contrast, as utterly normal.

206 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:18:43pm

OT:

PHILADELPHIA - The Legal Project of the Middle East Forum announces its support of Robert Spencer and the Young America's Foundation (YAF), the latest victims of what appears to be a targeted intimidation and defamation campaign by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) designed to silence critics of its organization.

Spencer, a well-respected author and the director of [Link: www.jihadwatch.org,...] spoke today for YAF on "The Truth about CAIR" on the campus of George Washington University. As a consequence of this invitation, YAF's president Ron Robinson received a threatening and possibly defamatory letter written by CAIR's acting attorney, Joseph E. Sandler, of the law firm Sandler, Reiff & Young, P.C.

Sandler's letter (available in pdf format here) accuses Mr. Spencer, without offering any factual support, of being a "well-known purveyor of hatred and bigotry against Muslims," with "a history of false and defamatory statements." Sandler goes on to "demand that YAF cancel the subject session or else take steps to ensure that false and defamatory statements are not disseminated," and states an intention to pursue a "legal remedy" against YAF, should CAIR deem statements made by Spencer at the session "false and defamatory."

CAIR's letter appears to be aimed at maliciously harming Spencer's reputation, interfering in his lawful employment, and aimed to discourage both Spencer and YAF from exercising their fundamental rights to free speech and assembly. Furthermore, the letter wrongfully implies that YAF has an independent duty to censor Spencer, and that it may be subject to suit for allowing Spencer to speak on private property. It is our opinion that CAIR's pre-emptive accusations are without merit, without any legal basis, and that CAIR has yet to prove any of its statements as true.

Therefore, the Legal Project hereby gives CAIR and its attorneys notice that it, too, will pursue "every available and appropriate legal remedy to redress any false or defamatory statements that are made" or have been made by CAIR and its attorneys against Spencer. We advise CAIR's staff to govern themselves accordingly.

The Legal Project, established by the Middle East Forum in June 2007, is dedicated to safeguarding the democratic liberties afforded by the Constitution to U.S. citizens, namely the rights to free speech and free assembly. The Legal Project protects researchers and analysts working on the topics of terrorism, terrorist funding, Islam, and Islamism against those who seek to silence them through intimidation, defamation, and predatory lawsuits.

207 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:20:08pm

re: #175 meMarc

At least you are intelligent enough not to eat anything that the English serve as "food". You talk about fast track to the morgue with artery clogging tasteless gunk. The Brits have a lock on it.

Speaking of which, I have a hard time with the Brits not deporting this moron back to Egypt where he belongs. He is a parasite. It is hard to get the feeling that the Brits are in any way serious on the war on terror when they support a convicted terrorist with public money.

208 squarepeg  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:20:29pm

re: #143 MandyManners

Nevertheless, it's my impression that Sali is either a frakking idiot or he's not but he talks like one.

209 Miss Trixie  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:21:24pm

re: #170 buzzsawmonkey

re: #167 Lucius Septimius


Some of my distant ancestors were Sorbs

My thanks to your ancestors for inventing sorbet.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Thanks, buzz, I needed that.

210 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:21:43pm
211 squarepeg  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:22:51pm

re: #161 Canadian Infidel

You are welcome!

212 goodbye_natalie  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:22:52pm

If it were legal, I would change my nic to "The Evil Microbe..."

I like it.

213 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:23:35pm

re: #208 squarepeg

I give him points for speaking his mind.

214 Perplexed  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:23:37pm

Global digital anonymous jihad.

Thanks Canada for protecting the 'rights' of jihadis. Your own troops are fighting against these goons.

215 LaMano  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:25:10pm

There should be a Fatwah ordered against comb overs.

216 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:25:11pm

re: #207 Shr_Nfr

Ooh! Another drift about Spotted Dick.

217 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:25:14pm

BBC drops Casulty suicide bomb plotline

The BBC has dropped plans to screen a fictional terrorist attack by Muslim extremists in the new series of the hospital drama Casualty.

Senior executives had discussed the plotline in a development meeting but were overruled by the corporation's editorial guidelines department amid fears it would cause offence.

The opening episode, to be shown next month, will now focus on the bloody aftermath of an explosion caused by animal rights extremists.

BBC surrenders again.

218 Perplexed  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:25:35pm

re: #8 Dayenu

Wow, I highly recommend the transcript.

The Islamist nut claims that Christians eat Turkey on Christmas day in order to symbolize the fact that they beat the Turks... the Ottomons...

Astounding.

And at the end they call each other these fascinating insults. Quentin Teratino should take notes.

So, I guess that Christians (Americans) who ate turkey during the 1800's were all prophetic that Turkey would be defeated.

219 humanity  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:26:04pm

Lets reconstruct another Genetically engineered editable bird, with inherited extra vanilla source flavor... and name it Arab...

220 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:26:14pm
221 threecoloursblue  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:29:30pm

From the same newspaper that had the Andrew Anthony story today.Afghanistan

222 Ginn  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:29:57pm

re: #1 mondoreb

Another great video

If only my MAC could play it.

@#$#@$@ MAC

223 Tigger2005  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:30:41pm

re: #217 NJDhockeyfan

Senior executives had discussed the plotline in a development meeting but were overruled by the corporation's editorial guidelines department amid fears it would cause offence.

The opening episode, to be shown next month, will now focus on the bloody aftermath of an explosion caused by animal rights extremists.

BBC surrenders again.

After all, the animal rights activist will just throw pig's blood at you. The Islamist will spill YOUR blood.

224 goodbye_natalie  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:32:32pm
225 EtNorskTroll  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:33:07pm

You guys think that this guy is cracked?!?

Then take a gander at this fool:

[Link: www.memritv.org...]

He makes the first knucklehead look like Albert Einstein...


"Attention: Control Freak, please pick up the courtesy phone. Line 2 for Control Freak..."

~ENT

226 Infidelsalwayswin  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:34:15pm

re: #207 Shr_Nfr

re: #175 meMarc

At least you are intelligent enough not to eat anything that the English serve as "food". You talk about fast track to the morgue with artery clogging tasteless gunk. The Brits have a lock on it.

Yeah, we're working on taking the title away from America. Eh, who are we kidding - we're way off.
I agree though; this motherfucker should be sent packing. But only after he's given back all the money that's been shelled out on him and made a very public apology.

227 squarepeg  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:36:29pm

re: #219 humanity

Lets reconstruct another Genetically engineered editable bird, with inherited extra vanilla source flavor... and name it Arab...

Haha, that's much fairer than "preferring" Turkey over all the other Arab nations. Now, on which holiday shall we eat it?

228 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:37:18pm
229 North95  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:38:15pm

Not to brag or anything, but I discovered this video on July 24, and we discussed it here:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

North

230 Perplexed  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:38:20pm
The Islamists are always the ones who help people, and save them from their plight.

Hmm, didn't know that the US is islamic, nor that those helping were islamists.

They are active, and that is why they are envied by these microbes, which have spread their ideology throughout our countries.

Yes, we are active. We are actively killing those like you who take up arms against us. We kill those people with extreme prejudice.

These Islamists, even in Jordan... Take any place in the world, and you will see that the Islamists are the masters of the world.

You lead the world in preventable disease. You lead the world in ignorance. You lead the world in poverty. Yes, you do lead the world; straight to hell.

There are no real men except for the people of Islam. Look at the people who give reason to hold the head of Islam high. In politics – they are the masters. In the battlefield – they are the masters.

Your males are real men who either hide behind women and children or who don women's clothing so as to make their escape. Your so called men lack genitalia.

They are the ones who rub in the mud the nose of the occupation forces in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Palestine, and throughout the world. The perpetuality of the conflict makes them strong.

Made strong by perpetual conflict? You bleed what may be considered your best dry without results. Everyone whose died has died in vain.

In contrast, what is the contribution of those who are devoid of any ideology, whose faith has been deformed, who are divorced of their religion? What have they contributed?

Everything that you haven't thought of for the past millenia.

The only thing they have contributed is destruction. They are evil omens for their peoples. They lead their people to hell. The masses must vomit them from their midst. They should be placed in public squares, so that people can hit them with their shoes and spit on them. Their place is with the occupiers.

We see that we are on opposite sides. We are aware that in the past others have used scorched earth tactics and summary executions. We can leave your lands desolate and barren forever. Your choice because we will not submit to you or others like you.

231 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:38:38pm

re: #225 EtNorskTroll

Seventy rules on poop and pee? White undies only?

He's whacked.

232 EtNorskTroll  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:41:00pm

re: #214 Perplexed

Global digital anonymous jihad.

Thanks Canada for protecting the 'rights' of jihadis. Your own troops are fighting against these goons.

Perplexed:

Please don't beat the drum on this. The NSA, in conjunction with the Canadian Government, squashed any competition for this type of 'anonymous' registering a few years ago and then set this company up as the sole 'anonymous' registration site. They glean loads of Jihadi intel from those who post there (Jihadists, as a rule, are not the sharpest knife in the drawer). By drawing attention to it, you threaten to blow their cover.

Thanks.

~Norsk Troll

233 Perplexed  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:42:15pm

re: #232 EtNorskTroll

Sorry, found that over at the dailyrotation.com.

234 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:43:51pm
235 Highrise  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:44:11pm

re: #201 meMarc

Terror expert Steve Emerson author of "Jihad in America" is on Bob Brinker's Money Talk in L.A. on KABC 790 AM right now.

Was on earlier in other time zones. That's good news.

Love Emerson. Especially when he eats scheuer alive:

[Link: www.steveemerson.com...]

During the segment, the subject of the Islamists' desire to re-establish the caliphate came up:

Beck: Do you really think that (Al Qaeda terrorists) would stop (targeting America) if we -- I mean, what behavior is it that we could possibly change that would stop them when they`re looking for a global caliphate?

Scheuer: Well, I think a global caliphate is kind of the last refuge of the neoconservatives after they`ve been wrong about anything else. There`s no chance of a caliphate in our world any more than there is of all Christians turning the other cheek, sir. (emphasis added)

In Mr. Scheuer's haste to win debate points, he apparently forgot his own words and analysis, argued in his celebrated "anonymously" published book

236 EtNorskTroll  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:44:54pm

re: #231 MandyManners

re: #225 EtNorskTroll

Seventy rules on poop and pee? White undies only?

He's whacked.

It's crazy madness, Mandy.

Pure and simple.

I REALLY love the statement about the white undies. Reminds me of what Jesus said many years ago:

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and all uncleanness."

[Link: www.gnpcb.org...]

This is not to say that I, myself, haven't been a hypocrite in the past...but I repented. Muslims appear to revel in it...

~ENT

237 LaMano  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:45:10pm
Afghan police freed a female German hostage from a Kabul neighborhood and arrested a group of kidnappers early Monday, an Interior Ministry spokesman said.

Cool.

238 Perplexed  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:45:49pm

re: #234 buzzsawmonkey

re: #230 Perplexed

Your so called men lack genitalia.

That's only because their penises fall off when they shake hands with Jews. Haven't you been keeping up?

I've heard that it is also due to cell phone use, computer use, and microwave oven use as well as shaking hands with Jews.

239 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:47:52pm
240 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:51:42pm

re: #236 EtNorskTroll

Islam is a cult of domestic violence: control, beat and kill.

241 Cap'n DOC  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:51:43pm

re: #4 Perplexed

Islamists are the masters of the world.

Point that finger at me hoss and I will snap it off and feed it to my dogs.

During the upcoming few years we will see who is the 'master' of the world. Clue, it isn't anyone who follows the prophet for profit.

I suggest feeding it to your neighbor's pigs...

242 NY Nana  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:52:18pm

re: #240 MandyManners

Mandy,

Please check your email...great news!

243 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:52:37pm

re: #239 buzzsawmonkey

Too bad they don't go blind.

244 Highrise  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:53:09pm

re: #242 NY Nana

re: #240 MandyManners

Mandy,

Please check your email...great news!

Hey, Share it!

245 NY Nana  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:54:07pm

re: #244 Highrise

:) I am not pregnant.

246 Perplexed  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:54:30pm

re: #239 buzzsawmonkey

Goatse, perhaps?

247 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:54:34pm

re: #242 NY Nana

*Happy Dance*

248 humanity  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:55:26pm

re: #222 Ginn

you need to install filp for mac.. it works for me well
[Link: www.microsoft.com...]


# Türkey
Its shameful, that we stopped using wikipedia completely after NYT edition was found... at least this is not yet edited...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

249 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:55:39pm

re: #245 NY Nana

Neither am I.

250 steve  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:55:43pm

#245 NY Nana : You got elected President of the Universe?

251 Highrise  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:56:07pm

sicko freak

[Link: www.jihadchat.com...]

Makes me want to clock him so.

252 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:56:17pm

re: #141 squarepeg

Britain and a lot of other countries are lost causes, I am afraid. There is a percentage of the population (judge by Robert Hare to range as high as 4% of the population in general) that will not be controlled by their conscience since they have none. Add to them the religious fringes of all sorts and you have a problem with any society that is going to only allow reaction to crime after the fact rather than deterrence of crime through the knowledge that attempting it is likely to get you removed from the living by those who you attack. Sadly, the touchy feely crowd continues to grow in the states. Psychopaths do not respond to touchy feely, they respond (if they respond at all) to raw force that is at a minimum very uncomfortable and potentially may be lethal.

A good dog and a good firearm are basic requirements in society to this day. If you live someplace that forbids both, you are going to be at risk no matter how many locks you put on your door. Locks only keep honest people out. I steel bolt hack as a hobby. Most locks are a joke.

Since the cause of the psychopathology appears to be an untreatable malfunction in the way the amygdala is wired to the balance of the limbic system and the way the amygdala itself reacts, there is little that can be done to rehabilitate these people. You can only protect yourself against them as best you can and hope that you can remove them from society one way or the other.

253 Highrise  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:56:35pm

re: #245 NY Nana

re: #244 Highrise

:) I am not pregnant.

Oh puleaze!

/snicker

254 NY Nana  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:57:13pm

re: #247 MandyManners

Same here! I exhaled.

255 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:57:20pm

I say whats good for the goose...

Send in some SEAL teams to the Magic Kingdon, Londonistan, etc and take a few of those nut jobs "hostage".

They could call themselves The Peoples Liberation Army of Cheboygan

256 NY Nana  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:58:30pm

re: #253 Highrise

/What? At nearly 70, you don't think it could happen? Shees.

257 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:59:13pm

Honor killing watch...
Son who stabbed mum's lover jailed

DEVOUT Muslim flew into a rage when he caught his mother at home with her married Sikh lover and stabbed him through the chest, a court heard yesterday.

Faisal Malik was outraged when he walked in on the pair after coming home from work early. In the ensuing scuffle, Himit Kang was pierced through his chest by a large blade, which sliced into his liver.
...
A judge heard last week how the religious teenager disapproved of the behaviour of his westernised mother, Shahnaz Begum, who drank alcohol and carried on a relationship with Mr Kang.

If you can't beat them, f* their mothers.

258 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:59:31pm

That was in RE to LaMano at #237

/maybe time for my nap

259 Perplexed  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:59:45pm

re: #255 hous bin pharteen

I say whats good for the goose...

Send in some SEAL teams to the Magic Kingdon, Londonistan, etc and take a few of those nut jobs "hostage".

They could call themselves The Peoples Liberation Army of Cheboygan

Nope, not SEALs, instead get some of the ex KGB types that know how to instill terror in the heats of the (not so) brave islamists

260 humanity  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 4:00:30pm

re: #227 squarepeg

on oktober-7... aniversary of "Operation Infinite Justice,"

261 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 4:00:56pm

Tropical Update

Kingston, JA- sustained 81 mph (130 km/hr) winds

Caribbean visible loop. Hurricane Dean now expected to hit far enough South of Texas to spare even BRO from serious weather effects.

Storm centered loop from University of Wisconsin.

Next potential tropical threat near 55&degW. Canadian suggests a hurricane for Florida coast North of Miami, European sees a strong tropical wave or tropical depression, GFS predicts nothing. Too early to say for sure, but satellite pic doesn't look too bad.


To early to say whether another nocturnal core rain occurs with Tropical Depression Erin like it did last night near OKC, but Southern Missouri should be watchful.

262 NY Nana  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 4:02:54pm

re: #257 Killgore Trout

/And they bring their quaint traditions here, and want to be Americans.

263 Carol Herman  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 4:04:06pm

Big hooey.

So they make videos. And, then it gets "play" in the media; since what does it take to get this one up in the air to be seen?

Okay, so this one doesn't involve "head chopping."

But ya know what? MANY MORE PEOPLE IN BRITAIN THINK THESE PEOPLE ARE RUBBISH.

Unlike advertisements, if you're clever enough, you can sell anything; these videos are supposed to do what?

264 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 4:05:36pm
265 Perplexed  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 4:07:22pm

re: #257 Killgore Trout

Honor killing watch...
Son who stabbed mum's lover jailed

DEVOUT Muslim flew into a rage when he caught his mother at home with her married Sikh lover and stabbed him through the chest, a court heard yesterday.

Faisal Malik was outraged when he walked in on the pair after coming home from work early. In the ensuing scuffle, Himit Kang was pierced through his chest by a large blade, which sliced into his liver.
...
A judge heard last week how the religious teenager disapproved of the behaviour of his westernised mother, Shahnaz Begum, who drank alcohol and carried on a relationship with Mr Kang.

If you can't beat them, f* their mothers.

The defendant, who has previous convictions for assaults, was jailed for 18 months, with 207 days served on remand to be deducted from the total.

Wasn't the first time that junior was in trouble for being violent. Might be better for everyone if he moved out of mommy's house and found himself a place of his own. Where's daddy when all of this is going on? Jail? Jihad? Worm food?

266 Dad O' Blondes  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 4:09:32pm

OK, Let me get this straight:

1. The Country of Turkey
2. Christmas
3. On Christmas, "infidels" eat turkey
4. So "infidels" eat the body of muslim men on Christmas.

Got it.

Next?

.

267 EtNorskTroll  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 4:10:16pm

re: #249 MandyManners

re: #245 NY Nana

Neither am I.

Hey, good news all around~!

Neither am I!

:D

~ENT

268 NY Nana  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 4:10:31pm

re: #264 buzzsawmonkey

I also am off to the vomitorium. Where the hell is the ACLU, both re the madrassa in Brooklyn, and most importantly, in the matter of 'honor' killings? And where are all the women in the feminist groups? Too busy going after the President? WTF are their priorities?

Be back soon..

269 NY Nana  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 4:10:58pm

re: #267 EtNorskTroll

Oh, I am so glad! :)

270 ballantrae  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 4:11:27pm

#266

Holy crap this guy is a moron

-ron

271 NY Nana  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 4:13:10pm

#249 MandyManners

Mazel tov!

Uh, sorry about that, EtNorskTroll..that's what happens when I am in a rush! My bad.

272 EtNorskTroll  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 4:15:16pm

re: #271 NY Nana

#249 MandyManners

Mazel tov!

Uh, sorry about that, EtNorskTroll..that's what happens when I am in a rush! My bad.

I'm a Norwegian, male troll...what to apologize for?

;-P

~ENT

273 rtheyserius  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 4:27:55pm

There is only one reason any attention is paid to Islamists. They kill people.

274 NY Nana  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 4:41:39pm

re: #272 EtNorskTroll

I'm a Norwegian, male troll...what to apologize for?

Jewish guilt..I'll think of something!

275 George guy  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 4:47:02pm

re: #265 Perplexed

Yeah, I do NOT want to get into dating anyone with Muslims in the family.
I mean maybe if she were perfect in every other way, but apart from that I'd sooner face Italians.

276 Allahpalooza  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 4:57:35pm

re: #24 Van Impe

Al-Sibai lives with his wife and five children in a £600,000 four-bedroom housing association home in a fashionable area of Hammersmith, west London.

A British lizard may correct me, but I believe this means that said house is provided by the British taxpayers. So not only is he on the dole he also gets a home worth $1.1 million US$.

How in the world is this possible? A million-dollar house? On the dole? What government tool allowed that? And how could such an expensive home be part of government housing program?

277 Live4Truth  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 5:04:33pm

Re: the nutty comment about turkey, where do these clowns come up with this stuff? Makes me empathize with the Israelis all the more. They've been contending with this insanity for much longer, and much closer to home.

But it sounded like that Arab intellectual was trying his best to speak some sense into this insane asylum. Gotta give him credit for that.

278 Catttt  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 5:17:28pm

Oh, I really like the sane, secular guy. I can almost literally feel his frustration with the entire process - "they all belong in the madhouse."

I subscribe to an Egyptian blogger on youtube, who patiently blogs about idiotic incident after idiotic incident, and man, I can really understand this guy's frustration.

279 msdixie  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 5:30:18pm

This show is the fruit of islam.

280 msdixie  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 5:31:14pm

Scarey, really scarey. Thanks, MEMRI.

281 Math Guique  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 5:56:57pm

re: #29 newsjunkie_ky

"Liberal" didn't always mean "crazy." That's a recent development in this country.

282 Math Guique  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 6:10:59pm

re: #52 Lucius Septimius

Come to think of it, I've heard the story from reasonable people that the custom of eating crescent-shaped rolls ("croissants" in French) really did originate as a way of celebrating the defeat of the Turks in Vienna. The welfare imam could use a possibly true story to make his insane point, but doesn't have the common sense to do so.

Incidentally, my understanding is that the bird is called a turkey (originally "turkey cock") because the English believed it came from Turkey. The French word is dinde or dindon because the French thought it came from India. The American turkey is a different species but inherited the name because it reminded people of the old-world "turkey."

283 bunker buster  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 6:33:51pm
Incidentally, my understanding is that the bird is called a turkey (originally "turkey cock") because the English believed it came from Turkey.

Uh...huh huh huh huh...you said...

*SMACK!*

Shut up!

/Beavis

284 Macker  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 6:57:47pm

After much gnashing of teeth, here is, in my Infidel opinion, a better translation of what that Raving Islamist said...

285 jollyjew  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 6:58:13pm

I love turkey

286 Math Guique  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 7:02:11pm

re: #283 bunker buster

Right. Did you see "Beavis and Butthead do America"? I liked the scene where the junior FBI agent spots a key witness in the case, and says to his boss "Hey, isn't that the guy whose camper they were whacking off in?" The boss asks "How can we run a respectable agency if you end sentences with prepositions?" The junior agent says, "Oh, sorry... Isn't that the guy in whose camper they were wh--- oh, no, wait a minute... Isn't that the guy off in whose camper they were whacking?" By this point the boss has stopped listening and is talking about something else.

287 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 7:23:19pm
288 SeattleSE  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 7:24:17pm

re: #5 EtNorskTroll

Sorry about going OT so soon, but something is SERIOUSLY wrong in Israel:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Pray for Israel. It's not the place I remember...

~Norsk Troll

Really? While I'm sympathetic, these people aren't Jews are they? Israel has a Right of Return policy for Jews, not whoever shows up at the door. I'm not Jewish and I don't think that Israel is diminished by this policy. What if all of these people are Muslim refugees? I think that it speaks volumes that Israel is engaged in Darfur. The country is simply to small to take in every unfortunate person in Africa.

289 docremulac  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 7:31:58pm

I'm still a big fan of democracy in the middle east. If the people vote to get their asses kicked in a war with the west as we fear would happen if there were elections in Saudi Arabia for instance, so be it. How else will they learn?

I think that for the most part and in the long run people are better suited to running their own lives than some dictator. At least after they've had a little practice and felt the sting of making some wrong decisions. It took Germany getting their asses beat in two world wars before it sunk in that you don't support the guy telling you that wars of conquest are lots of fun.

Let the paliostinians get the living crap beat out of them by putting a war party in power and see if that same party gets the vote the next time. I know they're dumb, but even dumb people eventually figure out that fire burns. Of course, you need to hold the society that votes for wars of genocide responsible and follow through by kicking their asses for this plan to work.

290 tradewind  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 7:32:37pm

Raving Islamist, you blew your lines yet again: it's ' Masters of the Universe ', stupid...

291 UncleSam  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 7:37:07pm

I couldn't get the video to play when I clicked the picture above, but it worked just fine when I went to the MEMRITV link.

The imam is a raving, violent, psychotic loon.
Why the hell is he allowed to stay in Britain, especially at taxpayer expense?

292 Rockman  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 7:40:10pm

I put my feet up on an Ottoman the other day. Do I get fatwa'ed or what?
Am I guilty of animal cruelty?

293 REDSTATE  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 7:46:28pm

If anybody wonders why the sane of the world think that the islamists are nuts, just watch this perversion of humanity.

You ask what the rest of us (non-islamic) contributed to the world, you fool?

Start with almost every invention known to man. Medicine. Science. Literature. Art. Industry. Agriculture.

Start with the USA who - as Fred Thompson recently noted - has shed more blood for the freedom of OTHERS, than all other nations combined.

Start with a compassionate society that gives you a free ride, while to leap off the deep end into the abyss of hatred.

What has your bastardized religion contributed?

Death of innocents.
Murder in the name of God.
Totalitarianism disguised as theocracy.
Abuse and suppression of women.
Enslavement (!) of those who don't believe as you - even in 2007!

You hypocrites! You apostates! You claim to do these things in the name of God?

You have disgraced His holy name. You have become that which you rail against.

You are a curse on the earth. A scourge. A pestilence.

I pray that God Almighty opens your pathetic eyes and you manage to salvage some scrap of humanity from that filthy, polluted pit that you call a "religion".

And the rest of the world would welcome you with open arms if you came back to sanity. It's too bad that you're probably burning with far too much hatred and have your ears full of far too much islamo-garbage to hear the truth.

294 tradewind  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 7:49:07pm

#279,
More like the pits.

295 EE  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 7:58:27pm

Cheers and kudos to Sayid al-Qimni.

Notice that al-Qimni is able to speak in Egypt, which is under the Mubarak regime. The main foe of the regime in Egypt consists of the Islamists, especially the Muslim Brotherhood, the Ikhwan.

If the Ikhwan came into power in Egypt, that would be the end of the voice of al-Qimni. And maybe his own physical end also. He would be accused of being an apostate from Islam and a blasphemer, capital offenses according to the Islamists, and possibly murdered.

When the Islamist spoke about the fate of the nation, I heard him use the word ummah. He was not referring to the state of Egypt, or the state of the United Kingdom where he lives; he was referring to the ummah, the global community of Muslims.

There is a battle going on for the soul of the ummah. There are the Islamists on one side, and those who believe in liberal secular democracy with human rights and without hyperjihadism on the other side. In Egypt, under Mubarak, it is possible for the liberal secular democrats for human rights and without hyperjihadism to have a voice -- and to have their heads unsevered from their bodies. If there is a foolish push on the part of our administration to undermine Mubarak, the Islamists would take over.

The war against hyperjihadism has got to trump any effort for untimely "democracy" in a population that has a strong Islamist component.

Voices like those of Sayid al-Qimni need to continue to exist, and need to be supported. That means supporting Mubarak and opposing the Muslim Brotherhood.

296 EE  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 8:15:17pm
.. and you will see that the Islamists are the masters of the world

-- raving Islamist

This is actually in accordance with the goals of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Ikhwan.
Among the Muslim Brotherhood's goals are:
* establishing Islamofascist states, in which book and sword are integrated, and mosque and state are integrated;
* establishing an Islamofascist empire, the khilafa, so that one person in the world can proclaim jihad and all of the world's Muslims would have to obey and join the jihad; and finally
* "mastering the world with Islam"; that is, as this raving Islamist proclaimed, Islamists become the "masters of the world"; and all of the people of the world are ruled by sharia.

The extremists who support these goals, the Islamists, Hizb ut Tahrir, the Muslim Brotherhood, the jihadic predators from the desert, need to be opposed by secular liberal civilization.

Guys like Sayid al-Qimni are part of civilization; the predators from the desert, like that raving Islamist, are not.

297 Joan Not of Arc  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 8:16:44pm

I've put up with a number of things but I will not stand for attacking eating turkey on Christmas. Damn that Islamist and curse his blasted eyes!
Oh, and everything else he said was pig crap. That goes without saying. I have no idea why they allowed the other fellow to speak seeing as they care not one iota about what he was saying, nor would they allow proper discourse for him or anyone else.

298 BLBfootballs  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 8:26:28pm

Has anybody thought about giving the UK a tolerance prize?

299 adela  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 8:27:15pm

The guy that represented the voice of reason in this video clip,makes much more sense that any of our liberal talking heads on ABC,CBS,NBC or CNN.
No political corectness from that guy when talking about women in campuses wearing hijabs and niqabs...
Try to say such a thing here in the US, where we have freedom of speech and all that,and you will face a law suit from CAIR and ACLU.
I cannot see haw Britain could survive if it allows such poisonous vermin in its midst and it even encourages many more like that to come in from thirld world hellholes,on taxpayers money... Savage is right:LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER.

300 right_wing2  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 8:41:53pm

#292 Rock


Shame on you for insulting the great Islamic people of the Ottoman Empire. You're simply humiliating them by resting your filthy feet on a symbol of their great past. And I'm sure you eat turkey with your feet propped up on your Ottoman. For shame!

301 EtNorskTroll  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 9:00:08pm

re: #288 SeattleSE

re: #5 EtNorskTroll

Sorry about going OT so soon, but something is SERIOUSLY wrong in Israel:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Pray for Israel. It's not the place I remember...

~Norsk Troll

Really? While I'm sympathetic, these people aren't Jews are they? Israel has a Right of Return policy for Jews, not whoever shows up at the door. I'm not Jewish and I don't think that Israel is diminished by this policy. What if all of these people are Muslim refugees? I think that it speaks volumes that Israel is engaged in Darfur. The country is simply to small to take in every unfortunate person in Africa.

The Israel I remember would treat their enemies even if they were injured...

[Link: www.cnsnews.com...]

~Norsk Troll

302 SeattleSE  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 9:34:54pm

re: #301 EtNorskTroll

re: #288 SeattleSE


re: #5 EtNorskTroll

The Israel I remember would treat their enemies even if they were injured...

Well sure, treating their uninjured enemies would just be silly. :)

Your point is well taken but medical care and assuming the responsibility for a lifetime of care are two separate things. I haven't followed this closely but I wonder why the Egyptians or someone else won't provide humanitarian aid to these refugees.

303 Spiny Norman  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 9:47:39pm

re: #156 FrogMarch

I'll be your freak-a-zoid ...come on and wind me up...
(warning-- eeew)

Frogman should make he-Mickey t-shirts. I'd buy one!

They're available at BureauCrash. I've had one for almost a year.

(You need to register to get to the store, unfortunately.)

304 krypto  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 10:14:17pm

Islamofascist nut job apparently guessed right that "turkey" the bird has something to do with "Turkey" the country, but early Americans thought they were eating Turkish birds, not Turkish Muslims.

According to Wipikedia:

"When Europeans first encountered turkeys in the Americas, they incorrectly identified the birds as a type of guinea fowl (Numida meleagris), also known as a turkey-cock from its importation to Central Europe through Turkey, and the name of that country stuck as the name of the bird."

305 ryaninzion  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 11:35:07pm

Isn't it funny that liberals in the West defend and come to the aid of Muslims, despite the fact that Islam runs to contrary to their liberal values, while Arab liberals slam the Islamists?

306 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 11:41:35pm

This arab liberal is exactly right.

They have no concept of democracy, because they have no education. Their education is the koran. They are never taught how to use 'aql and ra'y, for 'aql and ra'y are hara'am. Too akin to Al-hurriyya, which reminds them of the pagan days of arabia, and conjures a sense of chaos for them. But this man- he gets it. May there be many more silently out there like him.

307 serpentine fire  Sun, Aug 19, 2007 11:47:52pm

re: #74 troonbop

It's maddening to think how hilarious and forgettable these "people" would be if they weren't willing to blow themselves up. And i guess that's why they do it or talk other people into it.

They have 2 sources of power.

1) What you mentioned, the threat of unpredictable violence.

2) The portrayal of themselves as perpetual victims and the willingness of the worldwide liberal left to act as their champions and to give legitimacy to their constant litany of loony grievances.

What is curious is that they unabashedly promote the above 2 points while still affirming the moral and physical superiority of Islam.

308 baconeatingkaffir  Mon, Aug 20, 2007 12:19:42am

I still think that islam and liberalness are very similar... the common lack of responsibility (It's allah's will, or "it's the government's fault") and victim mentality.

309 Call me Infidel  Mon, Aug 20, 2007 12:51:31am

re: #24 Van Impe

Al-Sibai lives with his wife and five children in a £600,000 four-bedroom housing association home in a fashionable area of Hammersmith, west London.

A British lizard may correct me, but I believe this means that said house is provided by the British taxpayers. So not only is he on the dole he also gets a home worth $1.1 million US$.

Actually the house is the property of the housing authority which may be a charity or may be the local authority/council. Either way he gets to live there for free. I despair of what's happening in Britain which is why I am one of the thousands who is trying to emigrate. No one wants to grasp the nettle and admit the welfare state doesn't work.

In the past couple of years we have had a massive influx in mostly young men and women from Eastern Europe who have come to Britain looking for work. Many have found work and they work hard for little pay. Meanwhile we allow filth like this scumbag to live for free and spout his hatred at our expense. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

The Home Office has been trying to deport him for years, but our former Prime Minister's wife ensured the judiciary got the ammunition to keep him here. Endless appeals and a Human Rights Act which is in line with European law and prevents removal to "unsafe countries" like Egypt where he might face torture.

I honestly see no end to this. We are sowing the seeds of our own descent into a Balkans in Britain. Or as the excellent Mark Steyn puts it; Somalia with fish and chip shops!

I don't plan to be here to see it.

310 baconeatingkaffir  Mon, Aug 20, 2007 1:01:52am

re: #309 Call me Infidel

I was afraid this would happen. At least when the Jamaicans and west indians came, they did integrate. These people from douchbagastan or whatever muslim paradise countries they come from have done nothing of the sort. I keep hearing about how the British military is trying to "attract more ethnic minorities". Pretty soon, it will come to the point that only native born are a minority (native born meaning having actual roots in the UK for the past 100 yehars or soemthing like that)

311 TheMole  Mon, Aug 20, 2007 1:38:36am

I'm late to this one and so am probably closing the turkey coop door after the birds have flown, but I actually know something about the etymological and ornithological issues discussed above. To wit:

The wild turkey is a bird native to North America. it was named for its resemblance to the Asian/European domesticated turkey.

The domesticated turkey got its English name because it was originally imported to Europe through Turkey, which was already the English-language name for the region (and the people and their language) 300 years before it became the name of the modern country.

The French word for turkey is un dinde, which literally means "of or from India" (preposition de + noun Inde). It was so named by Frenchmen who believed that the birds originally came from India, which they quite possibly did.

The ring-necked pheasant is a European game bird that was imported to North America, where many of them now live in the wild.

/compulsive pedantic rant

312 XanaX  Mon, Aug 20, 2007 2:09:32am

The Hebrew word for turkey is hodu, which means India. I'm just saying...

/I'm a vegetarian, anyway

313 Last Man  Mon, Aug 20, 2007 2:40:04am

Fascinating to see how extensive the New-Left rot has spread in Britannia. One more blood bath in an American city and the game will be up for the conniving Home Office and Judiciary. Nuts to the special relationship, if the UK can't deal then time for US hit teams to means test public aid recipients.

314 mike_trivisonno  Mon, Aug 20, 2007 4:24:33am

"...Arab intellectual who totally rocks..."

I agree. It is good to see that some individuals in the region recognize the backward-looking islamists for the enemy they are.
- Mike Trivisonno, 2007

315 Sabraguy  Mon, Aug 20, 2007 5:37:07am

re: #8 Dayenu


The Islamist nut claims that Christians eat Turkey on Christmas day in order to symbolize the fact that they beat the Turks... the Ottomons...

But he fails to mention Turkish Delight.

316 DarthBrooks  Mon, Aug 20, 2007 5:40:38am

In the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is in for a hell of a ride.

317 otcconan  Mon, Aug 20, 2007 8:03:34am

That's it...from now on, on Thanksgiving and Christmas, I am going to have a big roasted Syria with all the trimmings.

318 D.C.  Mon, Aug 20, 2007 5:41:39pm

re: #312 XanaX

The Hebrew word for turkey is hodu, which means India. I'm just saying...

Tarnegol hodu, actually.

tarnegol = rooster (tarnegolet = hen)
hodu = India

And, leave it to Wikipedia to have a long list of names for Wild Turkey , including the one's mentioned above.

319 D.C.  Mon, Aug 20, 2007 5:51:55pm

Actually, while "tarnegol hodu" is the full name of the bird, XanaX appears to be correct in that turkey is referred to as just "hodu" in daily usage.

E.g. this translated list of foods from the Weizmann Institute's site has turkey as "hodu" and turkey schnitzel as "schnitzel hodu".

(The link above is a PDF, here it is as HTML.


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