Good for the History Channel!

/I was getting a bit concerned about them

Heh!

The program also delves into the anatomy of such conspiracies and how they grow on the Internet.

That aspect will be fascinating, I bet.

When I first saw this I was concerned, but it appears as if they'll come down on the side of sanity.

"Screw them."

Wonderfully good news

Of course all the troofers will say it's just a pack of lies paid for by the Bush administration. Anything that disagrees with their world view is always dismissed as a pack of lies. Usually with froh at the mouth, hate spewing speech.

I guess the History Channel is part of the plot.

I think it's gonna be on 9 pm tonight in the Phila. area. Actually, History Channel had a pretty good program on today about the hunt for Bin Laden. I didn't pick up on any agenda, they were just tellin' it like it is.

It's a conspiracy to debunk the conspiracy.

Over time, the Troofers/Kossaks/DU will all go back to their caves where they came from (okay, I have a dream...).

Now...ABout the war whore...

/Fire doesn't really melt steel; that stock footage of the blast furnace is just CGI

Uh oh! Airing this kind of material will do to the troofers what publishing the mohammed cartoons did to muslims.

"The program also delves into the anatomy of such conspiracies and how they grow on the Internet."

Truisms:
(a) Everything has an a&&hole. This explains the anatomy of these really brainless conspiracy theories.
(b) Many things grow well in sh&t, including tomatoes and idiot ideas. This explains how the idiot ideas grow on the Internet. There is not a better place to obtain sh&t than the Goracle's invention.

OldLineTexan
all my documentaries are two minutes long

...ahem... RON PAUL!

I hope the study features a Venn diagram showing the intersections of "people who smoke dope", "people under 25 who dropped out of college", "Baby boomers without decent jobs", and "Conspiracy theorists".

That would make an interesting powerpoint slide.

I'm sure we can expect Kosling Conspiracy Theory No.___ to appear momentarily.

Tonight's show is a Rovian plot, of course. Of course!

Rosie's gonna go for the Hagaan Daz hard core.

The History Channel is owned by the GOP. This according to Democratic Underground.

In the good old days, troofers would simply be dismissed as cranks and crackpots. Which of course they are. Can't wait to see this program.

I suppose debunking all the leftist lunatic conspiracies, is really just part of the vast right-wing conspiracy.

/Strange Days really have found us...

I have the quintessential all-encompassing comprehensively overwhelming absolute argument of arguments to dispel all truther claims right here:

Duh.

Adding "you eFing P.O.S. Loser" at the end of that argument is optional.

Is Keith Ellison profiled in the documentary? He should be.

re: #16 The Jinxmedic

...ahem... RON PAUL!

Darn, you beat me to it.

Carl Rove is behind this.

Wiki:

A&E Television Networks is a media company that owns several TV networks on cable and satellite. The company is jointly owned by The Walt Disney Company (37.5%), The Hearst Corporation (37.5%), and NBC Universal (25%). AETN's networks include:

A&E Network
The History Channel
The Biography Channel
History International
The History Channel en Español
Military History Channel
Crime & Investigation Network

re: #20 Axiom

Who owns National Geographic, then, since they aired Inside 9/11 a while ago, which was a pretty good show, too.

Oh well, it's fun to try to keep up with the conspiracies.

I love the History Channel and watch it all the time. Unfortunately my fav, "Digging for the Truth", is no longer on. The host went to the discovery channel.
This ought to be good tonight. I sent the link to a friend who is into the conspiracty theory of the 'inside job'. Hope he watches.
Also if anyone wants to send an email to nbcsports about olberman joining the Sunday Night Football pregame show, send to:
feedback@nbcsports.com

I fired off my email.

HISTORY CHANNEL IS A TOOL OF THE OPPRESSORS! ITS ALL PART OF THE CONSPIRACY! Its like when mom says I have to clean up the basement before I head to my party at the junior college. Its the man keeping us down.

/troofer

I'm not exactly a fan of the Hysterial Channel, but it is good to see (apparently?) that they are coming out on the side of sanity here.

That said... what a sad commentary on our society that this episode is even necessary.

re: #21 taxfreekiller

For troofers to grow on the inter net all's you need is Rosie and a feed bag.

Rosie and a sack of range pellets.

And you really think the British closed down Big Ben last week for repairs?

They could be doing ANYTHING in there!

"Hysterial"... a typo, but I like it!

Heh.

Nothing more needs to be said about these insane morons!

If honor were profitable, everybody would be honorable.
Thomas More

Good for the History channel. That and Discovery are the two I usually watch. Though I'm a little curious why it took them six years to do this.

re: #32 Occasional Reader

I'm not exactly a fan of the Hysterial Channel, but it is good to see (apparently?) that they are coming out on the side of sanity here.

That said... what a sad commentary on our society that this episode is even necessary.

Let's wait to see what type of "balance" they, or what there conclusions are before we speak of sanity.

re: #33 Ward Cleaver

re: #21 taxfreekiller

For troofers to grow on the inter net all's you need is Rosie and a feed bag.

Rosie and a sack of range pellets.

That is really a uncalled for slam against all cattle!

:D

re: #22 Ward Cleaver

Today they have blogs, and push around the party apparatus demanding legitimacy until they're declared the mainstream. That is, unless they already have a position in government.

re: #30 newsjunkie_ky

I love the History Channel and watch it all the time. Unfortunately my fav, "Digging for the Truth", is no longer on. The host went to the discovery channel.
This ought to be good tonight. I sent the link to a friend who is into the conspiracty theory of the 'inside job'. Hope he watches.
Also if anyone wants to send an email to nbcsports about olberman joining the Sunday Night Football pregame show, send to:
feedback@nbcsports.com

I fired off my email.

It's bad enough that the singer Skank sings the intro music. With Olberdunce joining, I definitely won't watch.

Bush is gonna be kinda happy, kinda upset.

He never could understand why he was being blamed for it.

He was sure Cheney did it. That's what Condi keeps telling him.

Now he has to reevaluate.

So, all in all, mixed emotions and a potentially confusing day for the Wahhabist-in-Chief.

Another conspiracy to suppress the truth about the 9/11 conspiracy. This will enrage and mobilize the twoofers, the History Channel's web site will be under siege.

I'm glad to see this, and my hat's off to the History Channel for running it.

That said, as a Professional Historian, I can't watch it -- I want to throw things at the TV pretty much every time I see it.

Besides, who wants to come home from work and watch their job on TV?

I wonder how they will refer to 9/11.

The tragic day the towers fell?

Do you swear to tell the Troof, the whole troof, and nothing but the troof?

re: #34 Ben Hur

And you really think the British closed down Big Ben last week for repairs?

They could be doing ANYTHING in there!

They're going to replace the movement with four of those Chinese quartz movements that take a AA battery.

re: #41 Sharmuta

/And you wonder why the CIA is watching

re: #35 Occasional Reader

"Hysterial"... a typo, but I like it!

It'zallright!

I make em all the time, and I really could care less, although I really try not to.

:)

I like some of the programming in the History Channel and will watch this.

Hey, it beat the inane drivvel that one gets on prime time tv.

Another great show is Cities of the Underground...excellent show.

Before I refuse to take your questions, I have an opening statement.
Ronald Reagan

This documentary will not make a dent in the troofer movement. The problem is that the Joe Troofer thinks we are as stupid as we know Joe Troofer to be.

re: #45 Lucius Septimius

Professional Historian?

How do you hold onto your sanity, man?

The History Channel has been slow of late, I can't stand "Ice Truckers" but "Dogfights" is great. Challenging the twoofers shows courage I didn't know existed there.

re: #54 Ben Hur

re: #45 Lucius Septimius

Professional Historian?

How do you hold onto your sanity, man?

Nawww, that sounds like a fun job to me! Lucius, any particular period you focus on?

re: #52 Peacekeeper

Reagan knew how to deal with the MSM.

The HC has improved since it stopped running "Hitlers Henchmen" Episodes # 972.

I think the popular mechanics article is the ultimate troof-stomper but it's good to see other sources come out and politely say what many won't, that the troofers belong in an episode of the x-files.

re: #55 Paul

The History Channel has been slow of late, I can't stand "Ice Truckers" but "Dogfights" is great. Challenging the twoofers shows courage I didn't know existed there.

Dogfights is awesome! GREAT CGI!

re: #55 Paul

I'm a retired trucker and I can't stand that show.

I remember after President Kennedy was assasinated, there were stories that he was still alive—in a vegetative state or worse. That Jackie was seen still coming and going from the Parkland Hospital.

And, of course, the Elvis sightings.

Today, it's about using the crazies to promote political agendas.

re: #61 bulwrk

re: #55 Paul

I'm a retired trucker and I can't stand that show.

Does anyone even watch that show?

re: #56 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I have a degree in History.

It's a hobby.

"I don't read fiction" is my snobbish reply when asked about if I've read this or that book.

I go crazy from the ignorance out there.

I'm positive he's forgotten more than I'll ever retain.

He must go friggin MAD!

As Mike Rowe would say: Exposing the Troofers is a Dirty Job, but someones gotta do it."

re: #62 jill e

I remember after President Kennedy was assasinated, there were stories that he was still alive—in a vegetative state or worse. That Jackie was seen still coming and going from the Parkland Hospital.

And, of course, the Elvis sightings.

Today, it's about using the crazies to promote political agendas.

~sigh~ I miss the good ole days!

re: #56 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I meant he would go mad at the ignorance out there, not from being a historian.

I would love it.

re: #60 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Dogfights is awesome! GREAT CGI!

Does this show star Michael Vick?

It should be clear that the history Channel is part of the Vast Right Wing
Conspiracy that Hillary warned us about.
To believe this you would have to believe thatr intense heat melts steel.
You would have to believe that Islamists are violent and wish us dead.
OK, you would also have to believe that the 9/11 was an inside job stuff is put out by kooks.
So you see the truthers have got it right even though it may not be accurate. Get it?

re: #64 Ben Hur

re: #56 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I have a degree in History.

It's a hobby.

"I don't read fiction" is my snobbish reply when asked about if I've read this or that book.

I go crazy from the ignorance out there.

I'm positive he's forgotten more than I'll ever retain.

He must go friggin MAD!

I am nearly done with my undergrad in finance. The degree is for my job. For my own pleasure, I will earn my Masters in History, and I hope to read for my dPhil at Oxford. Just because I love history!

re: #14 The Dajjal

Uh oh! Airing this kind of material will do to the troofers what publishing the mohammed cartoons did to muslims.

Yes, I have no doubt that they will go around overturning bowls of potpourri in their mother's living rooms and tossing packets of Raw Sugar on the floors of Starbucks all across the country. I imagine the carnage will be severe.

a lot of tin foil hat anger accumulating in the near future...

I can't stand the theatricality on those kinds of channels, but good on them for debunking the Cretin-Americans that make up %25 of our population. I hope they show the CAD reconstruction of the Pentagon aircraft.

Mythtory Channel.

re: #63 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #61 bulwrk

re: #55 Paul

I'm a retired trucker and I can't stand that show.

Does anyone even watch that show?

I do and I liked it. There ain't no way you would get me to haul 20 tons of stuff on the back of semi trailer across a frozen lake.
/but that's just me and I could be wrong

I hope chicken-wire man is well-documented.

re: #63 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I did once. It's pretty pathetic. To keep you tuned in through the commercials they show exciting up coming clips like "coming up, John stubs his toe on some ice" or one of the thousand times someone says "it's minus forty and I just want to go home"

The history channel should stick to war documentaries. They run way too much UFO, Big Foot, ghost programs. It's very unlike them to dispute any conspiracy theory.

re: #69 opnion

It should be clear that the history Channel is part of the Vast Right Wing
Conspiracy that Hillary warned us about.
To believe this you would have to believe thatr intense heat melts steel.
You would have to believe that Islamists are violent and wish us dead.
OK, you would also have to believe that the 9/11 was an inside job stuff is put out by kooks.
So you see the truthers have got it right even though it may not be accurate. Get it?

Rosie will be protesting this show.

re: #62 jill e

I remember after President Kennedy was assasinated, there were stories that he was still alive—in a vegetative state or worse. That Jackie was seen still coming and going from the Parkland Hospital.

And, of course, the Elvis sightings.

Today, it's about using the crazies to promote political agendas.

Thats silly. Everyone knows that JFK's brain was transplanted into a blackman and he and Elvis fight the undead from their retirement home.

Perfect thread for this story about a moonbat who had a reality check.

[Link: observer.guardian.co.uk...]

And Dr Sanity's insight.

[Link: drsanity.blogspot.com...]

The troofers beliefs are based on a mental defects in their own minds.
Only a lobotomy would help. All the facts in the world won't sway them.
I've only had a few Psych classes but I'm sure someone can describe this illness in medical terms. It has to do with a very low self esteem and a feeling that they have no control over their world. Anything that happens must be explained away as being caused by diabolical forces that are ever present.
They often hang Hieronymus Bosch prints in their living rooms.
I'm not sure if a single troofer will be swayed.

Yeah but...if it weren't for the troofers where would we get our weed?

re: #53 daledog

This documentary will not make a dent in the troofer movement. The problem is that the Joe Troofer thinks we are as stupid as we know Joe Troofer to be.

You're undoubtedly right, Troofers are immune to science, facts and logic.
They'll believe outrageously inane ideas and outright lies. But they'll tell you that you're brainwashed by Bushler and the corporate media while they're independent thinkers.

No way they could be as good as the South Park "Troofer" episode.

Good lawdy! When the faux History Channel is forced to debunk you, you know you've reached the bottom of looney tune depths.

The History Channel is generally right up KKKos alley. Christians are awful, Muslims real warriors, the Bible a pack of lies, and the Jesus Seminar religious scholars by a vote of pink balls.

Here's to you Mrs. Robinson...

I like Penn and Teller's take on the 9/11 conspiracists:

Link:

re: #75 Just_A_Grunt

I've driven in every type of nasty weather imaginable on some pretty frighting roads but no way in hell would I do that.

#85, omg, I'm getting such a raging clue right now!

re: #70 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

You aspire to read to Dr. Phil?

#55

Yep ice truckers is about as interesting as a cross country lawn mower race. In other history news.. Robert Filner (d) california, former history of science professor; was charged in airport with going to a non employee area.. prob lost his luggage and he wanted to look for it. "Who's the congressman me or you?"

The left will freak because they thought they had a Ronald Reagan movie moment when Sandy hung up the phone!

Inaccurate! Inaccurate!

I hope History Channel does a good job. I agree w/the endorsement of the Popular Mechanics article of some months back; that was a very good job.

What I was just wondering the other day is, how do the so-called truthers explain United Flight 93? What kind of conspiracy would want to crash a plane in the middle of nowhere?

re: #66 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #62 jill e

I remember after President Kennedy was assasinated,there were stories that he was still alive—in a vegetative state orworse. That Jackie was seen still coming and going from the ParklandHospital.

And, of course, the Elvis sightings.

Today, it's about using the crazies to promote political agendas.

~sigh~ I miss the good ole days!

Ah yes! But you can keep up on the latest Elvis sightings. Last one was just 8 days ago!

[Link: www.elvissightingbulletinboard.com...]

re: #56 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #54 Ben Hur

re: #45 Lucius Septimius

Professional Historian?

How do you hold onto your sanity, man?

Who said I was sane?

Nawww, that sounds like a fun job to me! Lucius, any particular period you focus on?

Middle Ages, Renaissance and Reformation. I always say that for me, anything after 1600 is current events. Currently working on witch hunting. Have a project sketched out on religious radicalism and revolution 1200-1700.

It is fun; you can say anything about them you want, because their dead. Plus I get to hang out (in spirit at least) with some neat people, even if they are very dead.

re: #93 I_Invented_Al_Gore

They had to work pretty hard on this aspect. You see there is no plane crashed at the site. They believe the plane landed somewhere and all the passengers disembarked. Its a very serious illness.

re: #17 Pawn of the Oppressor

I hope the study features a Venn diagram showing the intersections of "people who smoke dope", "people under 25 who dropped out of college", "Baby boomers without decent jobs", and "Conspiracy theorists".

That would make an interesting powerpoint slide.

College grads with "BA - Liberal Arts" would make a fun addition.

What about these conspiracies?

The attempt to derail a presidential election with the use of false (FAKE but accurate.) TANG documents.

Winter Soldier 1

Winter Soldier 2 - Shock Troops

Anyone going to look into these real conspiracies?

Power to the Correct People!

re: #28 BrianA

Wiki:

A&E Television Networks is a media company that owns several TV networks on cable and satellite. The company is jointly owned by The Walt Disney Company (37.5%), The Hearst Corporation (37.5%), and NBC Universal (25%).
AETN's networks include:
A&E Network
The History Channel
The Biography Channel
History International
The History Channel en Español
Military History Channel
Crime & Investigation Network

Really. Wow. I wonder, if they all approve this show, what actually went into getting Hamas to drop the using of Walt Disney's Mickey Mouse...

re: #98 Eowyn2

re: #17 Pawn of the Oppressor

I hope the study features a Venn diagram showing the intersections of "people who smoke dope", "people under 25 who dropped out of college", "Baby boomers without decent jobs", and "Conspiracy theorists".

That would make an interesting powerpoint slide.

College grads with "BA - Liberal Arts" would make a fun addition.

Now now.

What was the name of that imam who was carrying all of the research he did (from the internet) onto al jazeera TV about how jooos were poisoning children with vaccines?

re: #32 Occasional Reader

...what a sad commentary on our society that this episode is even necessary.

Nah...such things serve to keep us sharp! :) Such as in: the rainy times of life make us appreciate, all the more, the sunny times...no? :)

I have played the audio tape backwards. One can clearly hear the hijackers scream "Potato salad, Potato salad!"
Not Allie at the bar as reported by the press.
This proves that it was right wing evangelists at the controls and not those nice little Muslim boys .
Check it out History channel/or should I say HITLER channel.

The saddest thing is that a show like this is even necessary.

Here's a fitting response to troofers and other conspiracy nuts.

Facts mean nothing to troofers. They always quote a few people with degrees in fields having nothing to do with the areas they are talking about- but of course, these people are "experts" while the real experts are "shills of the US gov't." They deny proven scientific facts to "prove" their nutty theories.

re: #82 NortonPete

The troofers beliefs are based on a mental defects in their own minds.
Only a lobotomy would help. All the facts in the world won't sway them.
I've only had a few Psych classes but I'm sure someone can describe this illness in medical terms. It has to do with a very low self esteem and a feeling that they have no control over their world. Anything that happens must be explained away as being caused by diabolical forces that are ever present.
They often hang Hieronymus Bosch prints in their living rooms.
I'm not sure if a single troofer will be swayed.

Paranoia with delusional disorder?

The show airs at 8:00 PM in my neck of the woods (CST).

I hope Charles opens a thread during or after the show so we all have a chance to say "I knew it all along." in our own unique way.

NortonPete 97

So all the passengers and remaining crew, after calling friends and relatives to tell them the plane had been hijacked, hears about the other planes' fate, reply to loved ones that they will storm the cabin, and then they apparently are successful, storming the cabin and landing the plane safely...never to contact their loved ones again?

Sheeesh. This story line is for the exceedingly gullible.

re: #107 MandyManners

That should get them locked up. Its a milder condition that allows them to function to some extent in our society, but your on the right track.
Remember: even paranoiacs have people out to get them :)

re: #109 I_Invented_Al_Gore

They're living with Elvis and JFK and Marilyn Monroe at the special facility.

re: #109 I_Invented_Al_Gore

The plane is being kept somewhere by the military. They can prove that the phone calls were all faked and they even found some flight information at some Midwest airport that somehow coincided with the original flight number. Of course all the passengers are being held somewhere. I don't know why I remember this but I might have read it being debunked somewhere. If I ever ran into one of these individuals I would calmly agree with them and look for the nearest exit.

re: #80 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Wow, and here I thought I was the only person in the world who saw that film.

There was a good story on "This American Life" over the weekend about Rachel North, a 7/7 survivor who was just getting savaged by the nuts in the UK that were denying there were bombs at all. If you can make it past Ira Glass' annoying voice, it's actually a pretty good show.

[Link: www.thislife.org...]

re: #105 Paul

Thanks Paul. I'd heard about the incident but never saw the clip.

I'll bet that idiot damnear soiled his shorts when Buzz coldcocked him.

ChimpyMcBusHilterCheneyHaliburtonRove got to the History Channel only thing that makes sense
/moonbat

Good! I'm looking forward to watching it.

I left this comment today over at Screw Loose Change blog

([Link: screwloosechange.blogspot.com...]

Here's a quetion for all the Trooothers out there.

Something kept niggling my memory every time a Trooother made a claim of "controlled demolition."

So I went over to You Tube, put the term "controlled demolition" into the search function. It pulled up many links, a lot of them Trooother mind rot, but many were actual recordings of controlled demolition.

Bingo.

I started looking at them (the real CD films, not the rot).

I worked my way through about a dozen or so, then I got it.

The thing that kept bothering me.

The real contolled demolition buildings fell from the bottom up, not from the top down

Watch the films of the Twin Towers again. The collapse begins at the top, where the damage from the planes crashing into them is, not from the bottom.

One other thing I noticed in the real CD buildings is that the buildings seems to maintain some sort of coherence at the top as they collapse, where the 911 buildings don't.

So, Trooothers, why did the Twin Towers collapse from the top down if it really was a controlled demolition?

re: #83 experiencedtraveller

Yeah but...if it weren't for the troofers where would we get our weed?

Boycott troofers.

wha..? 9-11 wasn't a GOP plot?

next you'll tell me that we really did land on the moon and that Katrina was just a terrible storm and not a product of the GOP / Rovian weather machine.

Every movement has a 90/10 split. 90% are true believers, but 10% are charlatans trying to rip off the 90% or make a name for themselves. In the troofer community, the 10% are fairly easy to distinguish.

It's a sign of how many dolts are walking around out there that this show actually has to be made.

re: #78 Killgore Trout

The history channel should stick to war documentaries. They run way too much UFO, Big Foot, ghost programs. It's very unlike them to dispute any conspiracy theory.

Which explains why they came to so much grief when they aired the show suggesting that LBJ was behind the JFK assassination.

Since all the planning for 9/11 occurred prior to the 2000 election, and under Bill Clinton's watch, isn't it more logical to blame George Soros for 9/11. After all, he has the money, the means and of course the anti-America attitude.

Hey, just the wacko's can dream up false scenarios why not dream up a much more realistic false scenarios. George Soros did it.

re: #112 NortonPete

re: #109 I_Invented_Al_Gore

The plane is being kept somewhere by the military. They can prove that the phone calls were all faked and they even found some flight information at some Midwest airport that somehow coincided with the original flight number. Of course all the passengers are being held somewhere. I don't know why I remember this but I might have read it being debunked somewhere. If I ever ran into one of these individuals I would calmly agree with them and look for the nearest exit.

What's their explanation w/ regard to the disappearance of the people? Are they being held in an undisclosed location?

re: #125 JustMyView

re: #112 NortonPete

re: #109 I_Invented_Al_Gore

The plane is being kept somewhere by the military. They can prove that the phone calls were all faked and they even found some flight information at some Midwest airport that somehow coincided with the original flight number. Of course all the passengers are being held somewhere. I don't know why I remember this but I might have read it being debunked somewhere. If I ever ran into one of these individuals I would calmly agree with them and look for the nearest exit.

What's their explanation w/ regard to the disappearance of the people? Are they being held in an undisclosed location?

Yep! and when Cheney is in his "undisclosed location" he is checking on the passengers.
/

re: #125 JustMyView

re: #112 NortonPete

What's their explanation w/ regard to the disappearance of the people? Are they being held in an undisclosed location?

Whoops! Just saw that you already answered this question.

Cue the Ron Paul freakazoids in ...5...4...3...2...1...

re: #118 N. O'Brain

The reason for the bottom-up demolition is quite logical. If you demolition from the top first, the debris might interfere with charges or wires on lower floors. Yet you don't even need to go this far to realize how absurd the conspiracy theories are. Wouldn't a jetliner going 500 mph cause some charges to either go off prematurely or become damaged and ineffective? It would be impossible to account for the effects of the jetliners in demolition planning.

Of course, logic is not the strength of CTers.

Here's my idea of what should be covered in this show:

Present each conspiracy theory, follow up with clips of hysterical laughter from various sources including monkeys, hyenas, Ernest T. Bass and Space Ghost (Coast to Coast).

Examines the various conspiracy theories espoused on the Internet, in articles and in public forums that attempt to explain the 9/11 attacks. It includes theories that the World Trade Center was brought down by a controlled demolition; that a missile, not a commercial airliner, hit the Pentagon; and that members of the U.S. government orchestrated the attacks in hopes of creating a war in the Middle East. Each conspiracy argument is countered by a variety of experts in the fields of engineering, intelligence and the military. The program also delves into the anatomy of such conspiracies and how they grow on the Internet.

As long as they don't reveal that the Stonecutters were actually behind 9/11, we're fine.

To be fair, although there may have been troofer diaries on DailyKos, the official policy of the site is that diaries on that topic are specifically banned and that participants who insist on writing troofer diaries may be banned as well.

Controversial 9/11 Diaries

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Nor have I seen any high-level Democrats espousing these loony views. Troofers are in a class by themselves.

Sure, it was an "inside job."

There were muslim hijackers inside the planes.

Idiots.

re: #118 N. O'Brain

You correct about the science of a controlled demolition but alas thats not what happened. You see in the film they believe they see a controlled demolition on nearly EVERY floor or every other floor. You see hundreds of demolition experts rigged 102+ floors. Now I worked at sometime or other in nearly every one of the building at WTC. The thought that every flor was rigged is ridiculous. I spent 2 years at 7WTC and I know why that building fell down, its covered in the Popular Mechanics article quite well except for a fact that seems missing anywhere I look.
I worked for Salomon bros and they removed an entire floor of that poorly constructed buildin so they could have the grand 20+ feet high trading floor on the 5th floor. You can see the double high windows in any picture after 1991. I'm sure that and all the concussion of debris sideways along with the fact that the building was cantilevered over an old ConEd power station didn't help its durability in a disaster.

#118 N. O'Brain

Watch the films of the Twin Towers again. The collapse begins at the top, where the damage from the planes crashing into them is, not from the bottom.

One other thing I noticed in the real CD buildings is that the buildings seems to maintain some sort of coherence at the top as they collapse, where the 911 buildings don't.

So, Trooothers, why did the Twin Towers collapse from the top down if it really was a controlled demolition?

Heh. You just think you saw that.

Kosling Conspiracy Theory No.___: Up is down; down is up. Right is left; left is right. Bad is good; good is eeevil. There is no Truth; only Koslam.

And let's not forget the time-honored reason for everything that the sh*t-for-brains crowd dreams up: The Jooos did it.

The Troofers are a threat to us real conspiracy hounds, those that believe;

LBJ and Hoover killed JFK, MLK, & RFK
That the Iraqi's were behind the OK City bombing
That TWA 800 was a botched attempt to prevent an Iranian sponsored attack on the flight
That the Clinton administration had dozens of it's enemies killed

These are all a lot more plausible than the 9-11 deliriums (actually they are all true, except for the 9-11 one)

it's 2007. anybody who still holds to troofer beliefs is a lost cause. no evidence, no argument is going to convince them. maybe some sort of surgical intervention involving a reality affirming microchip in their brains might work. but nothing short of that.

and i'm waiting for the mythbusters special on melting steel ibeams.

[Link: www.attackcartoons.com...]

re: #132 JustMyView

"...It is forbidden to write diaries that:..."

Censorship in the Wonderful Land of Kos? Oh my!

re: #129 Proud Kaffir

That tons of fuel at that speed performs much more like a solid rock than a fluid.

re: #20 Axiom

Not sure if the troofers even watch the history channel. I am pretty sure their channel is the cartoon channel or the sci-fi channel. I know for sure they watch HBO-what alot of liberal crap that channel has!

re: #93 I_Invented_Al_Gore

I hope History Channel does a good job. I agree w/the endorsement of the Popular Mechanics article of some months back; that was a very good job.

What I was just wondering the other day is, how do the so-called truthers explain United Flight 93? What kind of conspiracy would want to crash a plane in the middle of nowhere?

Admittedly it was easy to forget, even if you'd seen it, but the movie "Millenium" could answer that question...

Just an update on 2 prominent Truthers:

Chris Bollyn is on the run from the law:
COOK COUNTY - A Web-based writer who failed to appear in June for a sentencing hearing after a run-in with Hoffman Estates police has been in phone and e-mail contact, his lawyer said Friday. But Paul Moreschi said he does not know the whereabouts of Christopher Bollyn, 50, who was convicted of misdemeanor aggravated assault and resisting arrest after a four-day jury trial in the Rolling Meadows branch of Cook County Circuit Court. A warrant was issued for Bollyn's arrest. ...
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

-and-

Korey Rowe, one of the Loose Change "masterminds", was arrested in late July, in New York, for desertion. Surprisingly he was not, in fact, honorably discharged from the Army — as stated on the Loose Screw...er...Change website. Rather than face a court-martial, however, it seems he has simply been reunited with his infantry regiment in Kentucky . . . to be shipped back to Iraq any day now:
[Link: www.thedailystar.com...]

re: #134 NortonPete

You correct about the science of a controlled demolition but alas thats not what happened. You see in the film they believe they see a controlled demolition on nearly EVERY floor or every other floor. You see hundreds of demolition experts rigged 102+ floors. Now I worked at sometime or other in nearly every one of the building at WTC. The thought that every flor was rigged is ridiculous. I spent 2 years at 7WTC and I know why that building fell down, its covered in the Popular Mechanics article quite well except for a fact that seems missing anywhere I look.
I worked for Salomon bros and they removed an entire floor of that poorly constructed buildin so they could have the grand 20+ feet high trading floor on the 5th floor. You can see the double high windows in any picture after 1991. I'm sure that and all the concussion of debris sideways along with the fact that the building was cantilevered over an old ConEd power station didn't help its durability in a disaster.

Having blown more than a couple of concrete structures during my career in the Army, I know how much explosive is needed for the much smaller structures I did. Having a somewhat twisted bent towards watching things blow up, I have observed many tall structures being demolished and the work that goes into such a process, much less the planning.
Where did these "demolition techs" get the time to carry in the tremendous amount of explosives required, run the cables, expose the primary support structures, place the charges etc... Let us pop to the mundane mechanics. Where did they acquire that quantity of explosives with no records? Where is the truck traffic required to transport those explosives? When did they unload these explosives?
Those seemed to be pretty busy office buildings with a lot of surrounding traffic.
I love conspiracies like this, because they collapse under their own weight.

Let us all stand in anticipation of the inevitable spectacle of the Troofer swarm in all their irrational glory and give them our salute.

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I'm channeling South Park:

Cartman: Kyle, why are you so afraid of the truth?!
Kyle: Because anybody who thinks 9/11 was a conspiracy is a retard!
Cartman: Oh really? Well did you know that over one-fourth of people in America think that 9/11 was a conspiracy? Are you saying that one-fourth of Americans are retards?
Kyle: Yes. I'm saying one-fourth of Americans are retards.
Stan: Yeah, at least one-fourth.
Kyle: Let's take a test sample: There's four of us, you're a retard, that's one-fourth.

..crap

well that didn't work...

re: #143 Outrider

They grew up believing what they saw in Hollywood pictures was real. Still children, (who vote).

re: #55 Paul

My wife and I watched most of the "Deadliest Catch" episodes, then HC began to promote the shows about the Lobstermen in Maine. We watched an episode of that and were calling the Lobstermen "Wimps" by the end of the hour. Then of course, we looked at each and laughed our fool a##es off that we were calling those crazy ba@tards names because we had watched the show with even crazier ba@tards first.

my family still calls it the Hitler Channel, because they almost always had a WW2 show on.
But wtf was that whole Ice Road Truckers series thing?

re: #144 AtadOFF

In the spirit of your post I shall present said troofers with my all time favorite 'emoticon':

t("t)

re: #143 Outrider

Your spot on, the sheer enormity of the task, rigging not one but 3 large building shows how clueless these people are. Not to bore anyone but they have that covered in their own small minds. Apparently they came in at night.
Having worked there and seeing the thousands of cleaning crews and hundreds of late night meetings its so laughable its downright crazy.
The outer beams were about 30 feet long and interlocked every 3 floors. I had the misfortune or fortune of being invited to a scrap yard run by a relative-in-laws to see the beams being loaded onto a ship heading to China. They were twisted and sheared off, no sign of explosives. What was sobering was the 50 foot high mountain of computers and wires and office equipment.

These idiots also believe the towers had to have been a controlled demolition due to the fact that steel cannot be melted by fire (Rosie O'Donnell on "The View"). How the hell do they think steel is made in the first place? One of the most memorable photos I can remember seeing, in my first year of architectural school many years ago, was of a wide flange steel beam melted completely over a heavy timber beam which withstood the heat of a structural fire much longer than the steel beam.

These conspiracy theories are completely moronic!

Well, I didn't see the show, but unless they had a guy who had cinder blocks balanced on chicken wire with a fire in the middle, and the wire didn't collapse...I don't see what this proved. We need scientific experiments!

re: #152 Jhob

One of the most memorable photos I can remember seeing, in my first year of architectural school many years ago, was of a wide flange steel beam melted completely over a heavy timber beam which withstood the heat of a structural fire much longer than the steel beam.

Ans: Bush. Don't you remember the (oopsie) charge made by John F'in Kerry during that presidential debate about POTUS' ownership of a timber-related business?

re: #153 kansas

Well, I didn't see the show, but unless they had a guy who had cinder blocks balanced on chicken wire with a fire in the middle, and the wire didn't collapse...I don't see what this proved. We need scientific experiments!

Not to mention the sketch showing an airplane stuck in the ground like some oversized lawn dart.

re: #149 Seattle Rep

But wtf was that whole Ice Road Truckers series thing?

About a bunch of truckers with 'nads bigger than the wheels on their rigs! ;-)>

re: #156 Outrider

Or brains smaller than the lug nuts.

re: #151 NortonPete

re: #143 Outrider
Your spot on, the sheer enormity of the task, rigging not one but 3 large building shows how clueless these people are. Not to bore anyone but they have that covered in their own small minds. Apparently they came in at night.
Having worked there and seeing the thousands of cleaning crews and hundreds of late night meetings its so laughable its downright crazy.
The outer beams were about 30 feet long and interlocked every 3 floors. I had the misfortune or fortune of being invited to a scrap yard run by a relative-in-laws to see the beams being loaded onto a ship heading to China. They were twisted and sheared off, no sign of explosives. What was sobering was the 50 foot high mountain of computers and wires and office equipment.

You're right. A complex that large is pretty well populated 24/7.
I briefly did some time at a Brigade staff as a Training NCO. One of my duties was forecasting, ordering, and otherwise keeping track of any and all ammunition used by the Brigade. Even clandestine missions leave a paper trail for the ammunition, to include explosives, that are needed and used. They may have a "cover", but they are accounted for nonetheless. Trucks have to be acquired, as well as drivers. I saw photos taken from (security?) cameras that were around the WTC. No apparent sign of trucks unloading anything out of the normal.
Yup. It is all in the details. lol

As long as we're on the topic, I'd like a bit of advice from the LGF clan. A shop I've patronized and enjoyed in the past has posted a sign supporting troofers. What's the best, most constructive way to communicate my feelings to the proprietors? I know that they are fervently ant-Bush . . . but supporting the troofers?

There's a house not far from where I live that is plastered with moonbat/peacenik propaganda (the residents want passerby to know exactly where they stand and what they believe in), and even has a "9/11 was an inside job" sign standing in the front lawn. (Anyone who lives in Rochester, New York, and has driven or walked down South Avenue near Linden Street knows what house I'm talking about.) I've been tempted to vandalize it, but don't want to stoop to that level. Free speech, blah blah blah. What's the best way to handle this . . . aside from averting my eyes as I pass by?

I won't be able to avail myself of the History Channel, as I don't have ready access to a TV.

re: #104 Planet X

Check it out History channel/or should I say HITLER channel.

You watch...the troofers will refer to it as the such in their rantings!

re: #159 Parpar

On the shop: Ask the owners if they truly support that nonsense, and if so, politely inform them that they will no longer be getting your business. If they are reasonable they will likely be open to hearing your concerns. If you are polite and they become unreasonable, they probably weren't such great people to begin with.

On the house: I haven't a clue, but as you've already stated, vandalism (or other criminal activity) is certainly not the answer.

re: #161 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #159 Parpar

On the shop: Ask the owners if they truly support that nonsense, and if so, politely inform them that they will no longer be getting your business. If they are reasonable they will likely be open to hearing your concerns. If you are polite and they become unreasonable, they probably weren't such great people to begin with.

On the house: I haven't a clue, but as you've already stated, vandalism (or other criminal activity) is certainly not the answer.

Well said, I agree. The shop you can boycott, the house you should just ignore.

re: #159 Parpar

They already vandalized their own house, you don't need to do anything.
I wouldn't shop somewhere if I knew the people who ran it were crazy, I be afraid something crazy would happen there.

re: #160 Macker

Ain't that the truth. The History channel has gone down hill. This makes up for Ice Road Truckers... a little. Still, I don't know why they branched off to Bio and History-I and the Military Channel, when they just repeat the same 6 hours of programming each day.

Well, I do know why, but other than raising my cable bill, it's pretty pathetic. I wish they'd bring back the old news reels show.

Cool! Something to watch on The History Channel besides "Dogfights."

re: #162 Paul

Thanks Paul.

I am a stubborn guy, and will go out of my way, and spend more money doing so, simply to avoid spending money on those that irk me. Some people mock me for this, but they are usually from the 'nothing is worth fighting for' crowd.

And one more time, for the troofers: t("t)

re: #162 Paul

re: #161 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #159 Parpar

On the shop: Ask the owners if they truly support that nonsense, and if so, politely inform them that they will no longer be getting your business. If they are reasonable they will likely be open to hearing your concerns. If you are polite and they become unreasonable, they probably weren't such great people to begin with.

On the house: I haven't a clue, but as you've already stated, vandalism (or other criminal activity) is certainly not the answer.

Well said, I agree. The shop you can boycott, the house you should just ignore.

I completely agree with 161 & 162.

Each conspiracy argument is countered by a variety of experts in the fields of engineering, intelligence and the military.

Oh, yeah, right, like those are reliable sources! They're all in on the conspiracy! I prefer the insights of that guy in the park at a Truther gathering who set fire to some paper underneath some metal, as proof-positive that metal can't be melted by fire!

It's insane that the History Channel, or anyone else for that matter, even has to address this conspiracy nonsense.

re: #87 halfastro

They have a way of "cutting to the chase" huh?

re: #26 Ward Cleaver

re: #16 The Jinxmedic

...ahem... RON PAUL!

Darn, you beat me to it.

Ron Paul is part of the conspiracy.

I was in downtown Tempe on Saturday the 11th, and there were a bunch of these nut-bags out on the corner of Mill and University (right on the corner of the main-street to ASU) with signs about the 9-11 "Conspiracy". It took everything I had to not go over and have some fun with them - but my wife threatened divorce. That promise plus a few beers in my system probably would not have made for a nice evening for me, so I opted for a good burger instead. I've got a fresh bag of butter flavor pop-secret ready for this - should be good.

re: #140 Nevergiveup

re: #20 Axiom

Not sure if the troofers even watch the history channel. I am pretty sure their channel is the cartoon channel or the sci-fi channel. I know for sure they watch HBO-what alot of liberal crap that channel has!

Troofers watch Rosie (with her girth, anything else is difficult).

I think the Hitler Channel is providing a great service in debunking stupid conspiracy theories.

re: #169 Nexus

Here is one that will make you want to punch a troofer...don't have anything handy that you might want to throw at the monitor..about 93 minutes of troofer crap.

re: #159 Parpar

As long as we're on the topic, I'd like a bit of advice from the LGF clan. A shop I've patronized and enjoyed in the past has posted a sign supporting troofers. What's the best, most constructive way to communicate my feelings to the proprietors? I know that they are fervently ant-Bush . . . but supporting the troofers?

Send them a letter informing them why you will no longer be spending any more money at their store. The do have the right to free speech. You have the right to spend your $$ where you want.
Send a letter to the local "Letters to the Editor" and let the reading population know just what that sign means and why they should not support it or the business.
A businessman that can't keep his opinions to himself will lose customers, it doesn't matter if it is 9/11 Troofers or trying to elect the entity known as Ron Paul. Somebody will take offense. Why alienate cusomers or potential customers?

Good.

re: #159 Parpar

There's a house not far from where I live that is plastered with moonbat/peacenik propaganda (the residents want passerby to know exactly where they stand and what they believe in), and even has a "9/11 was an inside job" sign standing in the front lawn. (Anyone who lives in Rochester, New York, and has driven or walked down South Avenue near Linden Street knows what house I'm talking about.) I've been tempted to vandalize it, but don't want to stoop to that level. Free speech, blah blah blah. What's the best way to handle this . . . aside from averting my eyes as I pass by?

Just a thought. Check your local Planning & Zoning Board. The house may be in violation of a zoning ordinance with that many signs creating an eyesore or even obstruction. Hell, if the place is "plastered", maybe even a fire hazard. ;-)>

Don't trust the History Channel! Don't trust anybody. Except your local commissar of Global Freedom Thinking. You know who I mean. Make your report. We are ONE! Welcome to the fight, comrade.

Does anyone even watch that show? (Ice Truckers)...

Yes, I do. It's a damn sight better than 98% of what else is on in that time slot!...or in any other time slot, for that matter!

It's not award-winning material, but at least it's interesting.

Finally, something I can burn to dvd and pass around to all the empty headed teens I work with.

re: #180 6pat6

Kinda makes you appreciate a "nine to five" job title huh?

BTW, I find it quite entertaining like the "Deadlist Catch" series on the "Discovery Channel". I think I speak for many others when I say that there isn't enough money in this man's world for me to do this kinda sh!t.

WOW! They chose Lester Holt from MSNBC to host the show?!

re: #180 6pat6

Does anyone even watch that show? (Ice Truckers)...

Yes, I do. It's a damn sight better than 98% of what else is on in that time slot!...or in any other time slot, for that matter!

It's not award-winning material, but at least it's interesting.

I watch that also, did you see the episode where TJ had to be medivaced from the ice road? Turned out he had no medical insurance and was stuck with the medical bill.

I thought that there was free health care in Canada.

/sarc

re: #184 alibey

Yes, I do. It's a damn sight better than 98% of what else is on in that time slot!...or in any other time slot, for that matter!

If you were to remove the "History Channel", the "Discovery Channel", the "Military Channel" and FNC from my TV schedule; I would have nothing to watch on TV.

Really good...so far

Although the effort of the History Channel may be a sensible one, it doesn't matter. If people can't believe the revealed truth, a well-researched documentary, or even hand puppets, won't make a bit of difference.
Sorry to rain on the parade but we are dealing with people who aren't playing with a full deck.

typical history channel debunk. 80% of the show is of the theory lovingly explained complete with pleasing graphics followed by some skeptic saying, "well that's just not true!" followed by 10 minutes of commercials.

re: #187 Joan Not of Arc

BDS runs far deeper than the facts can penetrate.
It is a sad state of affairs when politics over-rules the facts of an event witnessed by many Americans.
Too many Americans will wait to get their proper response instructions from the MSM rather than the images they witnessed with their own eyes.

The 911 Troofer guys don't look like they date much.

So I guess one third of the Democratic Party and a majority of "Progressives" will now consider the History Channel part of the right-wing plot cooked up by the Fox Channel. Well, if the History Channel every thought about hosting Dem presidential debates or partnering with PBS, that's a dead idea.

David Ray Griffin is a nut! Faked phone calls from Flight 93? Watching this nonsense makes me mad all over again. Unfortunately my husband is a Troofer and suffers from severe BDS; we have endless debate on the subject.

Hello to all--Happy to finally make open registration!

The troofers are getting their a$$es handed to them by the History Channel. This show should be mandatory viewing...moonbats are 'tards.

Thank you, Lizardoids, for the advice regarding the house and shop with troofer posters. I don't think that the house on South Avenue is violating any building or zoning codes...otherwise any resident who staked a "Re-Elect Judge Jojo Shmo" sign in their front yard would be equally culpable.

I guess I'll write a letter to the shop owners. Anti-Bush sentiments (plastered blatanty all over the place) are one thing, but supporting the troofers is something I can't condone. I haven't shopped there lately. My dilemma is how to express my feelings about this in a concise, positive, non-deranged sort of way.

BTW, the "peacenik" house on South Avenue (whose front windows are plastered with antiwar, anti-Bush, and anti-everything bumper stickers and homemade signs) is a stone's throw from Richards House, a facility housing and serving war veterans. The proximity is ironic. I like the posters THOSE folks put up. And I don't have to avert my eyes when I pass by--I wave hello.

re: #192 MarSharia Brady

Welcome MarSharia Brady...
I hope you have a nice day, looking forward to your posts.

As one of the thousands of military people who were personally threatened to keep his mouths shut by Rumsfeld and the Illuminati...*carrier lost*

I like the 'theory' that ALL video of the planes hitting the WTC is faked.

I am watching Dylan Avery and finding it very hard not to throw something through my television.
He is one reason why we need a draft.
Then we can stop after he's in.

I like how they are backpedalling and re-editing the third edition of Loose Change to fit their revised theories. What is so galling about them is that they have so many ninnies following them like sheep, but they came off looking like the loons they are. Even my Troofer husband laughed when that Jason idiot outlined his theories on the "cabal". Very entertaining.

The whole Truther movement brings to mind a question voiced on a South Park episode: "How can you kill that which has no life?"

re: #113 Slumbering Behemoth

Sequel next year:
[Link: www.imdb.com...]

Truther Rules:

If someone who wears a suit to work says it, it is suspect.

If someone who wears a uniform to work says it, it is a lie.

If someone who actually knows what they are talking about says it, they are being payed/coerced to lie by those who wear suits/uniforms to work.

If every one of the beautifully true pronouncements is proven false by actual facts, dig deeper and come up with more beautifully true pronouncements that can't be proven false because they are utterly ridiculous.

Then yell "Gotcha!"

re: #183 GeeWiz

WOW! They chose Lester Holt from MSNBC to host the show?!

But you can bet they won't show it there.

re: #187 Joan Not of Arc

Although the effort of the History Channel may be a sensible one, it doesn't matter. If people can't believe the revealed truth, a well-researched documentary, or even hand puppets, won't make a bit of difference.
Sorry to rain on the parade but we are dealing with people who aren't playing with a full deck.

Many people are so suggestible they just need to be pointed in the right direction. After all it probably took one viewing of Loose Change to skew their opinion, they just need the facts presented in a coherent manner to hopefully correct it. Unless they don't want to.

re: #187 Joan Not of Arc

Although the effort of the History Channel may be a sensible one, it doesn't matter. If people can't believe the revealed truth, a well-researched documentary, or even hand puppets, won't make a bit of difference.
Sorry to rain on the parade but we are dealing with people who aren't playing with a full deck.

You're being too kind.

The sad REAL TRUTH is that a lot of these people DO know they're being dangerously irrational idiots. They just don't care! As long as it takes attention away from the very real problems their collectivist ilk have left us to fight, and they can blame Bush for it, they will continue their insanity regardless of the consequences.

The Hardly Boys in 'That Magic Metal That Won't Melt"...

re: #137 varmint

and i'm waiting for the mythbusters special on melting steel ibeams.

I would love it if Mythbusters had a special where they took on every single science related myth on 9/11, proved it wrong, looked at the camera and announced that not only had the conspiracy nuts been proven wrong, they were not going to consider recreating any of the experiments for their benefit.

(My one gripe with that show are the fans who bitch about how they got some experiment "wrong" to the point where the myth gets revisited. I want that, I'll watch reruns).

I'm sooo disappointed with the program because closed captioned for the deaf was not available! I'm sooo left out! :-( Wondering if u know where I can find transcripts? Many thanks!

re: #8 Ben Hur

I guess the History Channel is part of the plot.

They'll be getting their check from the Zionist Conspiracy later this week.

When will there be a program questioning whether the Japanese really bombed Pearl Harbor, or was it American planes that did the bombing?