Not to Mr. Chait -

When you're in a HOLE - QUIT DIGGING!

-S-

In other words, "Sure we smeared the troops, but we did it for all the right reasons."

TNR = Totally Ridiculous Trash

Charles...

Ding! Ding! Ding!

Chait:

The notion that tnr published a Diarist merely for the edification of readers, rather than to advance a political agenda, did not occur to Kristol, because he could not imagine doing any such thing himself.

Bill Kristol, a thug? Boy, are they taking the wrong tack.

What no hat tip?

/throwing fruit cup onto floor.

Bill Kristol? I loved him in City Slickers!

I am proudly proclaiming my dislike of Scott Johnson and the TNR.

It's better to be a "thug" than a liar.

Kristol is pretty darn smart so expect Chait to be bitch-slapped very soon.

So now Bill Kristol is a "Right Wing Thug"?

Isn't that kinda like calling Santa Claus the embodiment of evil?

Sounds like Chait is running out of hyperbolic space for criticisms of the KKK and other such groups (like run-of-the-mill Christains/Jews...no intent to associate the groups, but they're probably already associated in Chait's mind).

re: #6 coquimbojoe

What no hat tip?

/throwing fruit cup onto floor.

and now banging on my high-chair tray...

TNR's new masthead: " A good offense is the best defense."

re: #1 Dr. Shalit

Another would be it's a good idea to walk if not run away from a lit stick of dynamite, not sticking the damn thing in your pocket.

Chait:

The theme of traitorous liberals is becoming a Standard trope. Last week's cover depicted an American soldier seen from behind and inside a circular lens--as if caught in the sights of a hostile sniper--beneath the headline, "does washington have his back?" The Weimar-era German right adopted the metaphor of liberals stabbing soldiers in the back. Kristol is embracing the metaphor of liberals shooting soldiers in the back. I suppose this is progress, of sorts.

If the treason fits, Chait.

Dear Dipshit Chait,

Writing an op-ed piece is one thing. Using a soldier who joined the Army under false pretenses, then publishing lies written about his fellow soldiers, is completely another. You, sir, are an idiot.

Kirk: Nomad you have made an error
Nomad: ERROR?
Kirk: You did not discover your error. You have made two errors.
Nomad: Error? Error?
Kirk: You have not corrected your error. You have made three errors.
Nomad; ERROR EERROR!
Kirk: What is your prime directive? Carry out your prime Directive!

TNR’s continuing unwillingness to admit serious journalistic misconduct in the Scott Beauchamp scandal

Unfortunately, the longer they ignore it, the more everyone else will forget about it, and the know that.
TNR: Truth? Not Really.

re: #6 coquimbojoe

Those who are late get no fruit cup.

Besides, who's to say that charles wasn't tipped off via email or found things independently. Happens all the time. I'm sure that his email accounts stuffed with tips to stories could keep the hamsters busy all by their lonesome... Just keep at it - you'll eventually get one.

re: #18 bosforus

"and they know that"
pimf

Of course. Just because they slander the troops both implicitly and explicitly is no reason to believe they don't support same.

/lefty brain-damage

re: #2 inkling

In other words, "Sure we smeared the troops, but we did it for all the right reasons."

Smearing the troops is "patriotic".

Smells like bullChait.

Bill Kristol is an annoying tool whose whiny voice belies his previous liberal ideology. I really can't stand the guy.

How do those liberal Journalism schools maintain their accreditation when their spawn behave like this?

re: #6 coquimbojoe

What no hat tip?

/throwing fruit cup onto floor.

Get down there and pick it up! NOW! (slaps coquimbojoe)

/speaking as a parent

re: #25 Eric Cartman's Conscience

Bill Kristol is an annoying tool whose whiny voice belies his previous liberal ideology. I really can't stand the guy.

I guess the hit pieces against Bill Kristol continue.

re: #28 buzzsawmonkey

re: #23 easy

Smearing the troops is "patriotic".

Smearing the troops with baby oil and putting them on a calendar is sexy.

Stop it, you're getting Sully all worked up over nothing.

Okay, here's the Supreme Irony of all ironies:

Chait:

Kristol's good standing in the Washington establishment depends on the wink-and-nod awareness that he's too smart to believe his own agitprop. Perhaps so. But, in the end, a fake thug is not much better than the real thing.

TNR put up a diary where a soldier claimed that he and others were thugs, real thugs... which they didn't bother to verify. They wanted to paint, portray our soldiers as thugs. Chait is claiming that Kristol is a thug too, albeit a fake one.

Who is the real piece of work here, Chait and his fake TNR soldiers are thugs piece, or Kristol who got on Chait's ass about it?

re: #20 buzzsawmonkey

I remember being called a "thug" once. It was by an Irishman who was spouting the "I used to support Israel but look at what they're doing to the poor, poor Palestinians" line.

I gave him a short list--fewer than 10 points--of basic history, not one of which he was familiar with or had any response for. So his rejoinder was, "Bugger off, you thug."

Maybe "thug" is the new leftist "ca-ca poo-poo head," seeing as how "racist!" and "fascist!" are showing more than a little wear.

Yes! That's what I was just thinking myself, Buzz.

re: #28 buzzsawmonkey

re: #23 easy

Smearing the troops is "patriotic".

Smearing the troops with baby oil and putting them on a calendar is sexy.

I think I heard Mandy mention something about that one time.

Chait has entered Phase Two of what I call The Clinton Defense:
1. We did nothing wrong!
2. Well, you're guilty too!
3. Move on already, that's old news!

TNR has stopped defending Beauchump and has clearly moved on to attacking his attackers. More details here.

The New Republic has behaved disgracefully in this affair

What do you expect from a pig but a grunt?

re: #17 Peacekeeper

Kirk: Nomad you have made an error
Nomad: ERROR?
Kirk: You did not discover your error. You have made two errors.
Nomad: Error? Error?
Kirk: You have not corrected your error. You have made three errors.
Nomad; ERROR EERROR!
Kirk: What is your prime directive? Carry out your prime Directive!

One of my favorite episodes.

I love it when effete intellectuals have hissy fits.

re: #34 buzzsawmonkey

re: #33 easy

Only one time?

While wearing her bikini?

/uh oh, i hear her coming

/run! hide!

lots of projection going on here!

Chait:

Waaa, you're all thugs!

The New Leftie Lib Catchall Argument!

re: #38 Peacekeeper

I love it when effete intellectuals have hissy fits.

lol!

You're such a thug!

re: #41 buzzsawmonkey

re: #38 Peacekeeper

When the hissy fits, wear it.

Thug!

re: #19 lawhawk

Yeah, I know. Now I want my fruitcup back.

re: #40 smcg

lots of projection going on here!

You're not a thug?

Chait whines: If Beauchamp's writings were tnr's attempt to discredit the war, why would his first contribution describe a pro-American Iraqi boy savagely mutilated by insurgents?

TNR def'n 101: "pro-American reporting" = savage terrorist mutilation of a child

Kristol's arguments are merely the same pro-war arguments that have been used historically by right-wing parties throughout the world: Complexity is weakness, dissent is treason, willpower determines all. -J. Chait

History has proven Mussolini & Hitler were leftists. The word Nazi is an acronym for the National Socialist Worker's party.

Mussolini's "Fascist Manifesto" of 1919 includes in Fascist policy such socialist gems as:

* The nationalization of all the arms and explosives factories.
* A strong progressive tax on capital that will truly expropriate a portion of all wealth.
* The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor.
* The formation of a National Council of experts for labor, for industy, for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc. Selections to be made from the collective professionals or of tradesmen with legislative powers, and elected directly to a General Commission with ministerial powers.
* A minimum wage.
* The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of industry commissions

It all comes down to rhetoric vs. historical (not revisionist) facts.

re: #37 Ward Cleaver

re: #17 Peacekeeper

Kirk: Nomad you have made an error
Nomad: ERROR?
Kirk: You did not discover your error. You have made two errors.
Nomad: Error? Error?
Kirk: You have not corrected your error. You have made three errors.
Nomad; ERROR EERROR!
Kirk: What is your prime directive? Carry out your prime Directive!

One of my favorite episodes.

So convinced of his own perfection...

re: #37 Ward Cleaver

re: #17 Peacekeeper

Kirk: Nomad you have made an error
Nomad: ERROR?
Kirk: You did not discover your error. You have made two errors.
Nomad: Error? Error?
Kirk: You have not corrected your error. You have made three errors.
Nomad; ERROR EERROR!
Kirk: What is your prime directive? Carry out your prime Directive!

One of my favorite episodes.

Enjoyed watching it just last week on Tv Land Channel.

Ripped from the Clinton playbook...

Off to job #2.

See you all sometime soon.

Thug

Ahhh, The Red Press strikes again.

re: #20 buzzsawmonkey

I remember being called a "thug" once. It was by an Irishman who was spouting the "I used to support Israel but look at what they're doing to the poor, poor Palestinians" line.

I gave him a short list--fewer than 10 points--of basic history, not one of which he was familiar with or had any response for. So his rejoinder was, "Bugger off, you thug."

Maybe "thug" is the new leftist "ca-ca poo-poo head," seeing as how "racist!" and "fascist!" are showing more than a little wear.

"I've been called a greasy thug too & it never stops hurting."
Homer Simpson to Lisa, after she's called a "PC thug" by her teacher Ms. Hoover (and the reason why single women like her can't land a husband).

#49 daughter of patriots 8/22/2007 9:08:17 am reply quote

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Kristol's arguments are merely the same pro-war arguments that have been used historically by right-wing parties throughout the world: Complexity is weakness, dissent is treason, willpower determines all. -J. Chait

There was something I noticed about this statement by Chait. He seems to be unaware that most victories come from sheer willpower. Dissent wears it down, seeks to halt it. Liberals have no comprehension of the complexities of willpower because it seems to be lacking from their genetic makeup.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Thug may refer to:

Thug, a member of the defunct Indian cult Thuggee.
Thug, a gangster or a petty thief
Thug, a gardening term meaning an over-vigorous plant that spreads excessively.
Thug, a wooden bat used in the game miniten.
Thug, a type of allomancer in the Mistborn series of books by Brandon Sanderson
ThugLine Records, a record label.
Thug Misses Entertainment, a record label.
THUG, an abbreviation for Tony Hawk's Underground.
T.H.U.G. (True Hero Under God), in relation to rap artist Z-Ro
T.H.U.G.S., an acronym popularised by Bone Thugs-N-Harmony
T.H.U.G.L.I.F.E., an acronym coined by the late hip hop lyricist Tupac Shakur.

Support the troops my ass. Allied deaths is like Viagra to the left. They only have anything to do with the military when there're political points to be scored.

re: #60 taxfreekiller

Dear TNR,

Try this, do a complete expose of the Swift Boat Veterans information on all former Lt. John F. Kerry's awards and citations. Prove the info wrong, put your full information in a book, get it published, send an advance copy to lgf's blog and allow this board to check your facts.

Facts count in the real world.

Thug!

/smile

re: #41 buzzsawmonkey

re: #38 Peacekeeper

When the hissy fits, wear it.

ROTFLMAO!

If laughter is the best medicine, I get an overdose from LGF.

Once again, TNR goes on an ideological attack against Bill Kristol and completely ignores the mess that is their initial fact checking on the Beauchamp story. If they had done the proper fact checking originally, they would have realized that something was amiss - especially with the dining hall incident - which didn't even occur in Iraq, but in Kuwait before Beauchamp arrived in the war. That should have set off alarm bells over his timeline, but it did no such thing because TNR didn't bother checking beforehand.

It's fact checking after the fact was similarly awful - hoping that a cursory claim that anonymous sources backed Beauchamp's story. That too has fallen apart because named sources - including the manufacturer of the Bradley IFV noted that it simply wasn't plausible for the scenario Beauchamp alleged to have occurred.

Then, there are questions of military doctrine that also put TNR on the hot seat - one does not change a flat tire in a river of pooh. A) There isn't enough water in dry desert conditions to permit a river of pooh as alleged; B) US military vehicles use run-flat tires so that they do not need to be changed; C) military doctrine would generally use another vehicle to tow the affected vehicle rather than expose all to potential sniper, mortar, or IED attack; etc...

The story now is about Kristol and his so-called mean digs at TNR because they ran a bogus story as news. Very nicely played. What we get is an ideological attack. Nice.

...me thinks the MSM MSL has a problem with the English language.

They keep using the words "editor" and "journalist" in place of "propagandist".

Silly MSM MSL.

re: #27 Ward Cleaver

/speaking as a parent

A 'liberal' parent would probably be saying:

"Thats OK, little coquimbojoe. You are right. That big, bad, nasty Charles didn't give you a hat tip. And what a strong throwing arm you have! I'll clean that mess up right now..."

re#46 Ginn
I believe I may qualify as a thug under Chait's usage of the term!

OT:

How about a naked security guard shouting "Al-Queda"

re: #12 coquimbojoe

Now, now. Tantrums will make you ugly.

re: #65 experiencedtraveller

re: #27 Ward Cleaver

/speaking as a parent

A 'liberal' parent would probably be saying:

"Thats OK, little coquimbojoe. You are right. That big, bad, nasty Charles didn't give you a hat tip. And what a strong throwing arm you have! I'll clean that mess up right now..."

Exactly, then that kid would grow up to be Bill Maher.

Ah - the death rattles of TNR.

Totally Non-Resuscitating hit piece

re: #65 experiencedtraveller

re: #27 Ward Cleaver

/speaking as a parent

A 'liberal' parent would probably be saying:

"Thats OK, little coquimbojoe. You are right. That big, bad, nasty Charles didn't give you a hat tip. And what a strong throwing arm you have! I'll clean that mess up right now..."

Yes, I have receive good, conservative parenting here at LGF. For that, I am grateful.

re: #67 coquimbojoe

OT:

How about a naked security guard shouting "Al-Queda"

I guess he really couldn't wait to meet his 72 virgins!

re: #63 lawhawk

The story now is about Kristol and his so-called mean digs at TNR because they ran a bogus story as news. Very nicely played. What we get is an ideological attack. Nice.

Come on, Law, you know an ideological attack is the only way they know how to fight.

That and dissent. Dissent is their idea of patriotism.

Last Saturday at the biweekly showing of THE ROCKY HORROR PICTURE SHOW at the Riverview Theater someone had replaced the callback line, "he's a f***ing Nazi", with, "he's a f***ing Republican."

Since I was acquainted with the individual through a former friend I went back to the individual's seat and told her to. "look up and read the twenty-five point program of the National Socialist German Workers Party, it's a real eye opener."

re: #69 MandyManners

re: #12 coquimbojoe

Now, now. Tantrums will make you ugly.

I know, that's why I am a student here, nowadays...

re: #33 easy

re: #28 buzzsawmonkey

re: #23 easy

Smearing the troops is "patriotic".

Smearing the troops with baby oil and putting them on a calendar is sexy.

I think I heard Mandy mention something about that one time.

Something to that effect.

Infidelsalwayswim:
Don't sugarcoat it.

Hey, I think I found a picture of Jonathan Chait! To this guy, anyone not a left wing limpwrist is a "thug".

re: #75 The Other Les

Susan Surrender had such a cerebral role in that film.

I AM A THUG.

/channeling Spartacus.

Is it a sign of anything that I simply don't care what Jonathan Chait thinks of, well, anyone?

re: #74 Ginn

That and dissent. Dissent is their idea of patriotism.

As long as you don't dissent from their dissent. Then you're "questioning their patriotism".

"It’s the usual leftist smokescreen"

yep, it's the "what about him...what about *him*?...what about *her*?...what about *THAT*!?...what about THIS?!?!?...what about what they did?...what about where they were?

How about this, Jonathan...

What about *you*?

Answer your own questions about yourself, ask yourself why you lie. Why do you decieve yourself?

re: #80 maddogg

Hey, I think I found a picture of Jonathan Chait! To this guy, anyone not a left wing limpwrist is a "thug".

Thug!

The other les

So what you are saying is the Nazi Party could be described as Early German Progressives?

buzzsaw started it...

Bashar Al-Asad = Thug
Mahmud Ahmadinejad = Thug
Mahmoud Abbas = Thug
Mahmoud Zahar - Thug
Michael Moore = Thug
Fidel Castro = Thug
Hugo Chavez = Thug
John Edwards = Thug
Michael Vick = Thug
Hillary Clinton = Liar
John Kerry = Idiot
Bill Kristol = Full of himself journalist, but not a thug

re: #84 inkling

re: #74 Ginn

That and dissent. Dissent is their idea of patriotism.

As long as you don't dissent from their dissent. Then you're "questioning their patriotism".

Exactly! You're such a thug.

re: #76 coquimbojoe

re: #69 MandyManners

re: #12 coquimbojoe

Now, now. Tantrums will make you ugly.

I know, that's why I am a student here, nowadays...

Oh, no. There goes another mouthful of tea.

...I smell a Cox and Forkum cartoon here...

re: #85 Orbit Rain

"It’s the usual leftist smokescreen"

yep, it's the "what about him...what about *him*?...what about *her*?...what about *THAT*!?...what about THIS?!?!?...what about what they did?...what about where they were?

How about this, Jonathan...

What about *you*?

Answer your own questions about yourself, ask yourself why you lie. Why do you decieve yourself?

Very cool.

*Thug*

The TNR is criticizing Bill Kristol?

I can only think of one phrase ...

Physician, Heal thyself!

Iraqi and Syrian oil ministers agreed on Wednesday to repair and subsequently reopen a key pipeline between their two countries that connects Iraq's oil-rich Kirkuk region and a Syrian port.

The agreement between Iraqi Oil Minister Hussain al-Shahristani and his Syrian counterpart Sufian Allaw came at the end of a three-day visit here by a top Iraqi delegation, headed by Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

Shahristani said in talks with Allaw that Baghdad was willing to renew oil exports from this pipeline, but that his country's precarious security situation stood in the way of reopening the heavily damaged pipeline.

No timeline or details on how the repairs would be carried out were available.

[Link: www.jpost.com...] ..

We care for our people and our constitution and can find friends elsewhere," al-Maliki said.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

if preserving the idea of "supporting the troops" was important to the left, they would've been able to go against the war without sacrificing it. but it wasn't, so they couldn't, and now they're backpedaling like they ought to be and i hope they don't get away with it.

Chait: We're not lying. Bill Kristol is a liar!

This little hissy fit reminds me of the scene in Plan 9 From Outer Space when the very fruity alien leader berates mankind by screaming "You are all stupid! Stupid, stupid, stupid!"

Billy Crystal is a funny guy.

I saw on Drudge that TNR's ideological cousins, the Communist Chinese, are accusing the US of shipping them tainted soybeans.
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

OT:

Here's one of the ways Thailand and Malaysia are going to solve the restive Thai South: They're going to build an Islamic Bank in South Thailand - because we know that the way to stop jihad is to build the very apparatus needed to fund the jihad.

That was among the items discussed in talks between the two countries.

re: #87 hous bin pharteen

The other les

So what you are saying is the Nazi Party could be described as Early German Progressives?

Actually Dr. John Ray believes that the NSDAP borrowed a lot from the early American Progressives.

Here

and Here

re: #98 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

This little hissy fit reminds me of the scene in Plan 9 From Outer Space when the very fruity alien leader berates mankind by screaming "You are all stupid! Stupid, stupid, stupid!"

Classic!

re: #98 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That is a classic. Here's the whole thing:

Colonel Tom Edwards: ...Why, a particle of sunlight can't even be seen or measured.

Eros: Can you see or measure an atom? Yet you can *explode* one. A ray of sunlight is made up of *many* atoms!

Jeff Trent: So what if we *do* develop this Solanite bomb? We'd be even a stronger nation than now.

Eros: [with disgust] Stronger. You see? You see? You're stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!

Jeff Trent: That's all I'm taking from you!

[pistol-whips Eros upside the head]

And another gem:

Colonel Tom Edwards: Why is it so important that you want to contact the governments of our earth?

Eros: Because of death. Because all you of Earth are idiots.

Jeff Trent: Now you just hold on, Buster.

Eros: No, you hold on. First was your firecracker, a harmless explosive. Then your hand grenade: you began to kill your own people, a few at a time. Then the bomb. Then a larger bomb: many people are killed at one time. Then your scientists stumbled upon the atom bomb, split the atom. Then the hydrogen bomb, where you actually explode the air itself. Now you can arrange the total destruction of the entire universe served by our sun: The only explosion left is the Solaranite.

Colonel Tom Edwards: Why, there's no such thing.

re: #98 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

ahhh, plan 9. i still need to see that one. i love b-movies.

re: #98 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

This little hissy fit reminds me of the scene in Plan 9 From Outer Space when the very fruity alien leader berates mankind by screaming "You are all stupid! Stupid, stupid, stupid!"

See here. At 3:24 your line comes up.

OT
You know those pix of the two guys from the Ferry in Seattle? This morning one of the boats had to be diverted to another dock temporarily because a suspicious package was found in the mens room behind a toilet. Turned out to be a bag of sparklers...

[Link: www.komotv.com...]

It's not that the left doesn't like liars, it's just that the left doesn't like liars who get caught. That is what will kill TNR.

Bound to happen over and over, as it has so many times, because the leftists don't know enough about anything in particular to determine if a lie is actually feasible or will be picked up on immediately, such as the unfired cartridges the shriveled old bag hag said hit her bed. Reporter was too ignorant to know the difference, so exposed his/her stupidity for our thuggish ridicule.

re: #107 Seattle Rep

That's an odd place to stash sparklers.

It's hard out here for a thug.

Or, something.

re: #109 Killgore Trout

re: #107 Seattle Rep

That's an odd place to stash sparklers.

But not such an odd place to ditch some.

I guess it depends on the local sparkler laws...locally, the fireworks laws are stringent.

OldLineTexan

re: #63 lawhawk

Once again, TNR goes on an ideological attack against Bill Kristol and completely ignores the mess that is their initial fact checking on the Beauchamp story. If they had done the proper fact checking originally, they would have realized that something was amiss - especially with the dining hall incident - which didn't even occur in Iraq, but in Kuwait before Beauchamp arrived in the war. That should have set off alarm bells over his timeline, but it did no such thing because TNR didn't bother checking beforehand.

It's been my position all along that the incidents Beauchamp was describing, and the way he described them, should have been enough on their face to set off warning bells for any reasonably skeptical editor. The lurid, crappy writing and the outrageousness of the stories should have triggered more rigorous fact-checking--not less.

re: #111 OldLineTexan

hhhmmm...

seems sparklers are close to thermite

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

would burn a hole in the bottom of a ferry.

It is interesting that TNR has officially lost interest in defending Beauchump's Fables. Now they have begun to attack his accusers for being "ideological" (unlike TNR, supposedly).

Foer will be Fredo-ed on the Friday before the Labor Day weekend. The following Tuesday, TNR's story line will be "Beauchamp is old news; Can't we just move on already?!"

The dictionary definitions of "thug" are pretty hokey. My favorite definition is in this brief history of the Thugs of India. Notice that there were muslim thugs at that time, and they used the same stealth thuggery as they do in modern times. A thug is actually a sneaky assassin pretending to be a friend!

A most excellent word!

re: #112 Charles

re: #63 lawhawk

Once again, TNR goes on an ideological attack against Bill Kristol and completely ignores the mess that is their initial fact checking on the Beauchamp story. If they had done the proper fact checking originally, they would have realized that something was amiss - especially with the dining hall incident - which didn't even occur in Iraq, but in Kuwait before Beauchamp arrived in the war. That should have set off alarm bells over his timeline, but it did no such thing because TNR didn't bother checking beforehand.

It's been my position all along that the incidents Beauchamp was describing, and the way he described them, should have been enough on their face to set off warning bells for any reasonably skeptical editor. The lurid, crappy writing and the outrageousness of the stories should have triggered more rigorous fact-checking--not less.

They were too good to fact-check. Surely, an ideological sociopath's chimpanzee scribblings were just ringing with truth.

(No offense to any chimpanzees out there. I'm not a thug.)

re: #117 Stinky Wizzleteats

thug

re: #113 wargammer2005

re: #111 OldLineTexan

hhhmmm...

seems sparklers are close to thermite

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

would burn a hole in the bottom of a ferry.

Kind of doubt it would be successful, especially a small enough batch to leave in a bathroom.

Also pretty sure they were "Made in China", so be sure you don't feed them to your dog.

Loved the wikipedia article, which ended in the following "art" reference:

Free Bariumnitrate (Art group monochrom ignited 10.000 bound sparklers as a "symbolic liberation", because "sparklers are bound to various monotheistic rituals" and stand as representatives "of all symbols that have been enslaved and abused by the monotheistic world religions."

Gotta love the smell of moonbat in the morning...

OldLineTexan

re: #117 Stinky Wizzleteats

my ancestors were chimpanzees, how dare you insult them like that

One of the greatest weaknesses of the left is their willful wholesale ignorance. They think they are more intelligent than all of the unwashed masses whose lives they think they ought to be running, by virtue of their superior intellect. Trouble is, most are so ignorant on most subjects that they actually don't have a clue to their cluelessness.

Ah, when ignorance is bliss, tis folly to be wise.

re: #120 bosforus

re: #117 Stinky Wizzleteats

my ancestors were chimpanzees, how dare you insult them like that

According to the Darwinists, chimps are merely your cousins.

OldLineTexan

re: #122 buzzsawmonkey

To a Thug

Can you be a Leftist thug?
If you suckle at the dug
Of motheaten Marxist ideology

If you sweep facts 'neath the rug
And attempt to try and tug
'Gainst an ever-persistent reality.

Shouldn't it be "If you suckle at the 'Jugg'? Just askin'.

re: #123 OldLineTexan

i love my cousins too.

re: #113 wargammer2005

More likely testing security.

Oh, I don't know -- since Bill Krystol has been named a THUG . . . his life could get more interesting.

re: #4 Ginn

Charles...

Ding! Ding! Ding!

Chait:

The notion that tnr published a Diarist merely for the edification of readers, rather than to advance a political agenda, did not occur to Kristol, because he could not imagine doing any such thing himself.

There's that classic leftist projection.

I think this whole TNR thing ought to be ignored.
-Dan Rather

re: #123 OldLineTexan

re: #120 bosforus

re: #117 Stinky Wizzleteats

my ancestors were chimpanzees, how dare you insult them like that

According to the Darwinists, chimps are merely your cousins.

OldLineTexan

Well, if you dress it up in stilleto heels...OK :)

re: #123 OldLineTexan

re: #120 bosforus

re: #117 Stinky Wizzleteats

my ancestors were chimpanzees, how dare you insult them like that

According to the Darwinists, chimps are merely your cousins.

OldLineTexan

As we all know here on the right, Darwin was wrong.
/Just sayin'.

re: #130 buzzsawmonkey

re: #120 bosforus

We don't call them "chimpanzees" any more. We call them "chimgays."

We're sensitive.

And caring.

re: #102 The Other Les

re: #87 hous bin pharteen

The other les

So what you are saying is the Nazi Party could be described as Early German Progressives?

Actually Dr. John Ray believes that the NSDAP borrowed a lot from the early American Progressives.

Here

and Here

Scratch a liberal, find a fascist.

For all those patriots who "support the troops, but not their mission":

A mother asked the President, "Why did my son have to die in Iraq?"

A mother asked the President, "Why did my son have to die in Saudi Arabia?"

A mother asked the President, "Why did my son have to die in Kuwait?"

Another mother asked the President, "Why did my son have to die in Viet nam?"

Another mother asked the President, "Why did my son have to die in Korea?"

Another mother saked the President, "Why did my son have to die on Iwo Jima?"

Another mother asked the President, "Why did my son have to die on a battlefield in a field in France?"

Another mother asked the President, "Why did my son have to die at Gettysburg?"

Yet another mother asked the President, "Why did my son have to die on a frozen field at Valley Forge?"

Than long, long ago another mother asked..."Heavenly Father...why did my Son have to die on a cross outside of Jerusalem?"

The answer is the same..."So that others may have life and dwell in peace, happiness and freedom."

If you are not willing to stand behind our troops, please, please, feel free...TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM."

(This was emailed to me with no author; the magnitude and simplicity are simply awesome)

re: #130 buzzsawmonkey

re: #120 bosforus

We don't call them "chimpanzees" any more. We call them "chimgays."

We're sensitive.

Spew!

re: #126 bosforus

re: #123 OldLineTexan

i love my cousins too.

Let's keep this Platonic. I don't want to hear any banjos...

OldLineTexan
*Seriously - I am a chimp fan, and would not insult them. Some countries would be better if they had WAY more chimps than people.

They were willing fools and got caught. With the Left intellectual superiority complex it is very hard to take.
There is a fairly large segment of the Left that does not support our troops. It is just the case. Not all of them but too many.

re: #127 bulwrk

re: #113 wargammer2005

More likely testing security.

Yeah I agree. I mean the 2 guys in question were spotted on different runs over the span of 4-6 weeks, and were unusually interested in the boats and docking procedures.
These boats have a capacity of 2500 passengers and upto 200 cars.

re: #130 buzzsawmonkey

re: #120 bosforus

We don't call them "chimpanzees" any more. We call them "chimgays."

We're sensitive.

ha ha, chimgays. hadn't heard that one before. either way, monkeys, man, or homosexual chimpanzees are all hominids and we need to stick together and not create social barriers amongst each other. otherwise, we're no better than the elephant and mammoths who segregated themselves long ago, and look what happened to the mammoth.

re: #120 bosforus

re: #117 Stinky Wizzleteats

my ancestors were chimpanzees, how dare you insult them like that

Don't let William Jennings Bryan hear you say that.

Now, perhaps Kristol truly believes that there is good news in Iraq hidden beneath the surface, but can he possibly believe that this good news is so obvious that even liberals believe it?

Apparently The New Republic has moved Hillary, Biden, Durbin, The New York Times and Der Spiegel into the "neocon" column.

re: #133 coquimbojoe

re: #123 OldLineTexan

re: #120 bosforus

re: #117 Stinky Wizzleteats
my ancestors were chimpanzees, how dare you insult them like that

According to the Darwinists, chimps are merely your cousins.
OldLineTexan

As we all know here on the right, Darwin was wrong.
/Just sayin'.

Oddly enough, I really don't see what the fuss is about.

I'm a mammal, a chimp's a mammal. I'm a primate, a chimp's a primate. Just definitions in science.

I'm willing to bet that a chimp flinging poo is experiencing emotions not a whole lot different than my urges to fling beer bottles at MSM TV shows...except that I am able to resist my urges. (Nice TVs are expensive).

OldLineTexan

Have you guys seen this? In the true spirit of tasteless, irreverent, yet soul-affirming "British Humour" I bring you ...

"Miss Sleptwithjudgeistan": row as village stages mock Muslim parade with burkha-clad 'page three girls'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/new s/news.html?in_article_id=477008&in_page_id=17 70

Carnival organisers have been criticised after a group wearing Muslim burkas came close to winning a prize for their costumes. The participants have been accused of racism after they donned black robes and knelt down pretending to pray.

Carrying placards with various made up names, including "Miss Hairyarmpitsbad", "Miss Slackistan", "Notbadinbedabad" and "Miss Reallyamanistan", a judging panel short-listed the group of 17 men and women for first place in the competition.

But before any prizes were handed out police officers told the group to leave the village event after complaints from onlookers. *

The group were taking part in the annual carnival through the winding streets of St Columb Major in Cornwall. As they walked the one-mile parade route the group knelt down in mock prayer and used fake compasses to try and find the correct direction to pray at Mecca.
Describing themselves as the "Page Three Beauties from the Ramalama Ding-Dong Times", they carried placards with individual names.

A panel of judges - a local mayor, two district councillors and a parish councillor - were so impressed with the display that they short-listed the group as "best entry". But visitors watching the event complained to police that it was offensive and the group was advised the team to leave. Yesterday, as one member of the dressed up team apologised, the event organisers insisted their inclusion was not offensive.

* Nina Brenton said: "We were approached by about six students from out of the area and they thought it was disgusting and offensive to Muslims.

I love the Cornish! So much braver than their conterparts in Londonistan!

re: #112 Charles

Charles...

And for TNR to tell the turth. But as we can all see, it's way to hard for them.

re: #140 opnion

They were willing fools and got caught. With the Left intellectual superiority complex it is very hard to take.
There is a fairly large segment of the Left that does not support our troops. It is just the case. Not all of them but too many.

What makes it so bad for them is they are being caught by us on the right. We are retirees, sales reps, farmers, web designers, what ever, but to them we are Troglodytes who are not worthy of making comments on their pronouncements. Hell, we don't even read enough! They are bitter when someone points out that they have no clothes.

I prefer the company of freethinking thugs such as yourselves.

Stinky Wizzleteats...if your nic doesn't put a big grin on a lizard's face, there's no hope for 'em --

Yours joins "hous bin pharteen" as my all-time favorites! :)

re: #150 buzzsawmonkey

re: #125 coquimbojoe

"Dug" is a slightly archaic word for "an udder, breast, teat or nipple." My dictionary says that it is usually applied to an animal, but is considered somewhat vulgar when applied to a woman.

And how is that different from 'Jugg'? (I did enjoy the poem, I just had to bring things down to my level).

Kristol is a guy you wanted to beat up in high school. He is not a thug.

re: #142 bosforus

re: #130 buzzsawmonkey

re: #120 bosforus

We don't call them "chimpanzees" any more. We call them "chimgays."

We're sensitive.

ha ha, chimgays. hadn't heard that one before. either way, monkeys, man, or homosexual chimpanzees are all hominids and we need to stick together and not create social barriers amongst each other. otherwise, we're no better than the elephant and mammoths who segregated themselves long ago, and look what happened to the mammoth.

I hate Ad-Hominid attacks.

“Only a right-wing thug would ever dare suggest we don’t support the troops!”

Worrying about what people think of you to this extent says more about you than anything others will ever say about you.

re: #141 Seattle Rep

The sparklers thing could have been a test designed to test the extent and sensitivity of exsplosive detection measures aboard these vessels.

When will all you simpletons learn? The issue is not whether Scott's writings are factually correct, or not. The issue is that the left knows that the essense of his writings are correct, so therefore, his writings must be accurate. It goes back to the "fake but accurate" defense.

re: #28 buzzsawmonkey

re: #23 easy

Smearing the troops is "patriotic".

Smearing the troops with baby oil and putting them on a calendar is sexy.

Ah - ha ! There ya go. It's all about oil

From the comments:

Jeez, you're like a pit bull with a Michael Vick chew toy.

re: #158 BuddyG

re: #28 buzzsawmonkey

re: #23 easy

Smearing the troops is "patriotic".

Smearing the troops with baby oil and putting them on a calendar is sexy.

Ah - ha ! There ya go. It's all about oil

That makes "No Blood for Oil" make sense.

You smear yourself with blood, you're gonna stink. And you're not going to have a very good tan, either.

OldLineTexan

I don't want to cause anyone to give up their advanced age, but I used to watch johnny Weissmuller as "Tarzan" as a kid. He had a chimp named "Cheeta". Does anyone remember that? Well, that chimp is still alive!

re: #149 GGMac

Stinky Wizzleteats...if your nic doesn't put a big grin on a lizard's face, there's no hope for 'em --

Yours joins "hous bin pharteen" as my all-time favorites! :)

Anything to brighten a lizard's day!

I thug therefore I am.

re: #111 OldLineTexan

re: #109 Killgore Trout

re: #107 Seattle Rep

That's an odd place to stash sparklers.

But not such an odd place to ditch some.

I guess it depends on the local sparkler laws...locally, the fireworks laws are stringent.

OldLineTexan

Could have been a couple of kids that saw a cop, or someone they thought was a cop, on the ferry, and hid the sparklers.

Bill Kristol is a "krazy thug". Don't let his effete, intellectual demeanor fool you.

He once stabbed a man in the heart with trident.

re: #155 buzzsawmonkey

Quite right, I never would deny you your poetic license.

re: #165 Dirk Diggler

Bill Kristol is a "krazy thug". Don't let his effete, intellectual demeanor fool you.

He once stabbed a man in the heart with trident.

I once ran into Kristol at a pool at the Four Seasons. Few people know that he has the words "Thug Life" tattooed across his abdomen.

Speaking of libs reading more than conservs...

Poll: One in four adults read no books last year

Among those who said they had read books, the median figure — with half reading more, half fewer — was nine books for women and five for men. The figures also indicated that those with college degrees read the most, and people aged 50 and up read more than those who are younger.

Perhaps, they just buy them to look/feel intelligent.

The bastard Chait is defending a publication which publishes utter trash and lies about our fighting men and women abroad and then the wanker has the gall to trash Kristol who merely makes an obvious point about how the New Republic and its unprofessional, lying editors can possibly be supporting the troops printing the lying crap it does which casts those troops in a very negative light? What hubris!

Remember: If you dare point out or criticize any of the Clinton's' many corrupt activities and dealings - you are immediately labeled "

right-wing noise machine

"

It's all the same. Left-wingers with an agenda actually believe their own shit doesn't stink.

Two years ago, my colleague Lawrence Kaplan

Strange how he didn't include any quotes about pieces written by "my colleague, Stephen Glass" or "my colleague, Ruth Shalit".

(We've been publishing updates on our continuing efforts to get answers to them at tnr.com.)

Weeks later, and their continuting efforts to get answers still consist of mostly denials and backfilling on the answers that many, many others were able to dig up in a manner of days.

And I used to read this rag regularly?!?!

How Nixon-ion

There are lots of adults, today, who weren't even born when Nixon went down. But it's an interesting story, here, none-the-less; because Nixon OWNED the presidential bully pulpit ... Just as TNR owns their stage. And, Nixon decided to "tough it out."

IT. DIDN'T. WORK. That's your example, from history.

Of course, there's that old adage; When history's tragedies repeat themselves, they often-times come back as farce.

TNR is unaware of why this story keeps sticking!

They know they're getting a beating! But they think it's coming from the Right. Shows ya what they know about hurricanes, and winds, too. They're concentrating on how to keep their house intact; while a Category #5 is ripping through it.

And, people? Well, Nixon could'a told ya. They stick around and watch.

A long time ago, advice to Nixon, after the fact, came with the question "WHY?" Why didn't ya just come out and tell the truth? Would have ended the show. (And, Bob Woodward would not have climbed to journalistic fame.) Instead? He fired Cox. When "playing with your cox becomes routine, do expect reality to hit ya, hard."

The Beauchamp affair has had one surprising effect on me. I've almost stopped being mad at lefties. These people are pitiable creatures. Getting mad at them is like getting mad at autistics or Alzheimer's patients for the things they do. The left is totally incapable of getting to the root of it's problems because their overriding narcissism won't ever permit them to identify themselves as the cause.

In their mind, they are, by definition, "Good"; and everything they do is, by definition, "Right". With that mindset they are doomed to make the same stupid mistakes over and over. In the previous Beauchamp thread where Foer was pictured as strugging to come to grips with "how this could happen again", you could see it plainly. He seemed like the guy who was condemned by the gods to repeatedly roll a boulder up a mountain only to have it roll back on him as he reached his goal.

But, what causes this bizarre behaviour among intelligent, educated beings? Is it:
1)the social group they hang with?
2)their upbringing?
3)their education?
4)their atheistic approach to morality?
5)that the leftist "desire to save the world" automatically conflates to "we are never wrong"?
6)the drugs they took in the '70s?
7)that God actually has condemned them to repeatedly get flattened by the ball of dung they're always pushing?

It's an abiding mystery.
SJ

Uh-oh! Imagine how shocked I was to find a Kristol photograph from a recent Weekly Standard cruise proving Chait's thug assertion. Brother is hardcore, man!

re: #112 Charles

re: #63 lawhawk

Once again, TNR goes on an ideological attack against Bill Kristol and completely ignores the mess that is their initial fact checking on the Beauchamp story. If they had done the proper fact checking originally, they would have realized that something was amiss - especially with the dining hall incident - which didn't even occur in Iraq, but in Kuwait before Beauchamp arrived in the war. That should have set off alarm bells over his timeline, but it did no such thing because TNR didn't bother checking beforehand.

It's been my position all along that the incidents Beauchamp was describing, and the way he described them, should have been enough on their face to set off warning bells for any reasonably skeptical editor. The lurid, crappy writing and the outrageousness of the stories should have triggered more rigorous fact-checking--not less.

I wasn't here when Rather's story in the 04 elections blew up in his face, but this seems like it could be an interchangeable post for that as well. The details should have been enough for them to be more thorough in their fact checking in 04, but they didn't bother to do any due diligence and determine what was fact and what was outright lie. If I remember correctly, the supposed author of the documents that turned out to be forged had a son or daughter who almost immediately said, "This doesn't sound like my father at all." But, Rather and CBS ran with the story anyway.

Tell me Jonathan, do you get dizzy swirling around in the TNR bowl trying to counterspin the Beaucrap. Are you a floater or a sinker? Will you still be there when the flush completes?

re: #174 Smilin' Jack

The Beauchamp affair has had one surprising effect on me. I've almost stopped being mad at lefties. These people are pitiable creatures. Getting mad at them is like getting mad at autistics or Alzheimer's patients for the things they do. The left is totally incapable of getting to the root of it's problems because their overriding narcissism won't ever permit them to identify themselves as the cause.

Alzheimer's patients and autistics don't start wars and kill people though. Lefties have and do.

re: #179 Honorary Yooper

re: #174 Smilin' Jack

The Beauchamp affair has had one surprising effect on me. I've almost stopped being mad at lefties. These people are pitiable creatures. Getting mad at them is like getting mad at autistics or Alzheimer's patients for the things they do. The left is totally incapable of getting to the root of it's problems because their overriding narcissism won't ever permit them to identify themselves as the cause.

Alzheimer's patients and autistics don't start wars and kill people though. Lefties have and do.

And alzheimers is widely recognized as a mental illness. In time liberalism will be as well.

I clearly see a possible hand to hand fight against the left in this country, infinitly more than I see a hand to hand fight against islamofascism.

I relish the thought.

I relish the thought!

Let me examine Jonathan Chait’s “TRB FROM WASHINGTON Sub-Standard” (with selected edits & personal comments):

“The topic was The New Republic's decision to publish an essay by Scott Beauchamp, an American soldier serving in Iraq, detailing some repugnant acts he said he and his comrades committed. Legitimate questions have been raised about this essay's veracity. (We've been publishing updates on our continuing efforts to get answers to them at tnr.com.)”

Have any of the “Legitimate questions” asked of TNR ever been answered, in print, by TNR?

“. . . publishing updates on our continuing efforts to get answers . . .” is clearly not the same thing as ANSWERING the questions.

Surely TNR has answers to all questions (none favorable to TNR), certainly now after they’ve come back from vacation.

Mr. Chait’s article contains no answers.

Where are TNR’s answers currently (as of this posting) published?

“In just two sentences, this passage provides a full summary of the decrepit intellectual state of neoconservatism (The Democratic Party?; Liberals, Leftists; Pacific Northwest Liberals)".

One has only to look at the general legislative (read: JOB) behavior of Reps Murtha, Pelosi . . . Senators Reid, Kennedy, . . . and then compare to the various polls (clearly a legitimate action, the democrats and Liberals do it all the time) concerning Congress’ approval rating (a record?).

It looks like someone’s not doing their J.O.B.

What will the 2008 elections tell us? Obama seems to be self-distructing, due to inexperience, and Hillary! is starting to sound like a Republican vis-à-vis Iraq (and see below).

“For that matter, why would we work to undermine the war by publishing a first-person account on the magazine's back page rather than taking the more straightforward step of, say, editorializing for withdrawal? ”

Hindsight should be 20-20, perhaps this is an instance where hindsight really is 20-20.

Perhaps someday TNR will publish an “explanation” / . . .

“The notion that tnr published a Diarist merely for the edification of readers, rather than to . . . ”

Is this the “explanation”? It reads more like a non-explanation “explanation”.

TNR did publish someone’s writings, the immediate stench of which was on par by a fresh steaming pile-by-ill-and-diseased-St. Bernard (dudes: weren’t the files a clue?), and they did so of their own free will.

My guess is that no one, except the severely-doctrinaire party apparatchiks, are buying this as an explanation.

“Now, perhaps Kristol truly believes that there is good news in Iraq hidden beneath the surface, but can he possibly believe that this good news is so obvious that even liberals believe it?” see it

Various MSM news reports are starting to point to “good news in Iraq”; this after a year or two of trying to cover up such trends.

Perhaps the realization that Gen. Petraeus’ report is not under their control, cannot be influenced by them, and indeed will likely be taken at face value by all (and Murtha just might be tossed out if he doesn’t behave), is forcing the MSM to pay attention to all the information their reporters get, and then publish news reports accordingly.

But “you can’t lead a horse to water and make him drink”, nor can you put the truth in front of a Liberal and make him “see” it. Forget about “comprehending”, “accepting” or “believing”.

“But, in the end, a fake thug is not much better than the real thing.”

Too true.

But, as doubtless many big ol’ editors, journalists, writers (at least the unemployed ones, and the ones who have been stripped of their Pulitzer) and diarists now see, a fake source really is not better than the real thing; not even a little.

This pathetic riposte from Chait reminds me of the song-and-dance number near the end of "Blazing Saddles", and the effeminate dancer who vainly pounds his soft little fists on the chest of a cowboy and says "You brute, you brute, you brute!" and then bursts into tears.

Bill Kristol isn't nearly as smart as he thinks he is, but TNR would have to do a lot better than this to discredit him.

The Beauchamp affair has had one surprising effect on me. I've almost stopped being mad at lefties. These people are pitiable creatures. Getting mad at them is like getting mad at autistics or Alzheimer's patients for the things they do. The left is totally incapable of getting to the root of it's problems because their overriding narcissism won't ever permit them to identify themselves as the cause.

Good timing; I'm seeing my folks in Manhattan tonight.

If you obtained the cumulative IQ of the entire tnr staff, you would still have a substantial negative number.

There is no way that the "editors" of tnr can ever squirm out of the fact they knew that Beauchimps articles were bogus and their claims of verifying what he wrote were just as bogus. ANY such verification would have brought to the forefront the fact that the alleged mutilated woman incident took place in Kuwait and tnr never mentioned this substantial transgression by Beauchimp.

As with this article attacking Bill Kristol. They prove yet again that they have never learned to old adage, "when you find yourself in a hole, STOP digging".

A delightful bit of Chait trivia I just Googled up by accident:

the director turned the character of Jonathan Chait, Steve's other TNR friend, into a woman—then cast an actress who looks astonishingly like Chait himself

I question how much she actually looks like Chait, but the actress in question is none other than Melanie Lynskey, best known for playing "Pauline Parker" opposite Kate Winslet's "Juliet Hulme" in the cult classic Heavenly Creatures. In Shattered Glass, Lynskey had a much smaller role as "Amy Brand," a gender-switched version of Jon Chait.

From Chait's piece:

For that matter, why would we work to undermine the war by publishing a first-person account on the magazine's back page rather than taking the more straightforward step of, say, editorializing for withdrawal?

That's a damn good question. For one, I'd have a lot more respect for a publication taking a clear editorial position than trying to disguise their agenda as the "straight dope".

I'm laughing so hard, it makes me want to cry.

re: #124 taxfreekiller

TNR, those skid marks you saw on the highway of life,
they were left by Dan Rather, if you should care to look
in your mirrors you will see no skid marks you left,
so,,, looks like you went off the cliff

Oh, this one is priceless!

It also explains why we haven't heard a sound, yet. They haven't landed. Will they go "splat?" Or "squish?"

re: #186 LoneSome Journey

If you obtained the cumulative IQ of the entire tnr staff, you would still have a substantial negative number.

There is no way that the "editors" of tnr can ever squirm out of the
fact they knew that Beauchimps articles were bogus and their claims of
verifying what he wrote were just as bogus. ANY such verification would
have brought to the forefront the fact that the alleged mutilated woman
incident took place in Kuwait and tnr never mentioned this substantial
transgression by Beauchimp.

As with this article attacking Bill Kristol. They prove yet again
that they have never learned to old adage, "when you find yourself in a
hole, STOP digging".

From what I've learned, BRAD THOR wrote a FICTIONAL account where thee was a woman whose face was burned by an IED.

In other words: NOT IN KUWAIT, EITHER!

And, the FRAUD done by TNR was to claim an "oops," not Irak.

Nope. FICTION.

In the land where things are made up from whole cloth.

And, Beauchamp didn't ATTRIBUTE.

So, there ya go. Another crime. Something journalists are taught would get them thrown out of school, if caught using someone else's material.

You still think the story was in Kuwait? For real? NOPE. The Army says it's a MYTH. A legend. Shows up when people take fiction, seriously.