Oooh goodie! a house of koran! Is that like the house of pancakes?

Do you think they'll build a statue of the Sultan of Oman and his little toy boy crew? This guy loves his boys more than michael jackson.

Oh goodie! A religious theme park!

I hope the restrooms aren't oriented toward Mecca. That would be blasphemous.

Will they use the Piss-Koran?

They must want desolation. As they are inviting the abomination that causes it.

At the time, a museum spokesman however said the financially ailing museum would probably not survive if the switch and the subsidies accompanying it were called off.

Then let it die. There are worse things than closing a museum. (See above article.)
If you let this happen, it will happen. What does it take to wake people up? what does it take?

I wouldn't insure it.

Got pics...here

Maybe they can add a food court, complete with the 'Aloha Snackbar'.

Such education centers are needed in Europe - Europeans need to learn more about their new masters if they wish to cope with their future.

re: #12 buzzsawmonkey

The Dutch need some of that "Dutch courage" they used to have.

They need to give the Koran Museum idea the ol' "Dutch oven".

In 2011, Museumpark Orientalis also hopes to have constructed a House of Jesus, a House of Moses, a Bible House, a Tenach House, a Jerusalem House, a House of Meetings and a Spiritual Garden.

Where's the mohammed House? Buddha House? Lao Tsu House? House of Mormon? L. Ron Hubbard House?

I mean- flood gate's open, right? Better get them all lest one is offended and threatens to chop heads off.

Oh, wait- they already appeased that religion. *spit*

Which section will the House of Pain be located in?

Will anyone but muslims be allowed in the house of the koran?

There is a house in New Orleans, but it was flooded by Bush's hurricane.

re: #16 JammieWearingFool

We need a Wonders of Shari'a wing, for sure!

In 2011, Museumpark Orientalis also hopes to have constructed a House of Jesus, a House of Moses, a Bible House, a Tenach House, a Jerusalem House, a House of Meetings and a Spiritual Garden.

Is Jimmy Carter building any of these?

the financially ailing museum would probably not survive if the switch and the subsidies accompanying it were called off.

Due to the switch, it hasn't survived.

OTOH, what are you gonna do? If it wasn't supported, then the re$cuers can do what they want with it.

How much can 500,000 euro build? It doesn't seem like enough to build all these "houses."

re: #20 JammieWearingFool

There is a house in New Orleans, but it was flooded by Bush's hurricane.

It's caaallled the Riiisin' Tide.

re: #24 yah

How much can 500,000 euro build? It doesn't seem like enough to build all these "houses."

but it can build the house of koran built exclusively of korans.

These are the people who thought the wooden shoe was a good idea.

They sold out their religion for money?

What else is for sale?

Well, why not build a House of Koran? Next to the tiny bishop Mosquens' piece of "spiritual advice", is that all too great a shock?

re: #8 mrsoc

Then let it die. There are worse things than closing a museum. (See above article.)
If you let this happen, it will happen. What does it take to wake people up? what does it take?

"I would rather see the ship at the bottom of the ocean, than in the hands of a pirate."
/Admiral from the Pirates of the Caribbean

I would rather see the museum die than in these hands.

Remember that the pyramids once had beautiful alabaster covering their bones. Where is it the alabaster now?

How many churches have been destroyed in this manner? How about Constantinople?

re: #29 ZionistYoungster

I agree. "we used only 100 % real korans in the construction and heating of this building." It would definitely be enviromentally safe.

re: #28 Perfectsense

What else is for sale?

Depends on who you ask. Like gwen steffani sold out her feminist ideals to do a concert- kind of like NOW does everyday. And Disney basically sold out their copyrights to hamas.

the museum is now to be transformed to an ‘intercultural museum’ for Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

Somehow I think they might not get around to setting up the Judaism section.

Why doesn't the Ambassador of the Sultanate of Oman, Khadija Al-Lawat
just build his own "koran museum?" Why does he want it to be in a Catholic museum?

You got to know when to hold em,
know when to fold em,
Know when to walk away
and know when to run.

/Kenny Rogers

re: #32 Sharmuta

re: #28 Perfectsense

What else is for sale?

Depends on who you ask. Like gwen steffani sold out her feminist ideals to do a concert- kind of like NOW does everyday. And Disney basically sold out their copyrights to hamas.

Yeah, I see Hamas has now done a new version of the Lion King - which they baldly state is a take off on the Disney movie. All I can say is Disney better not ever once go after some little old lady for copyright violation again!

Meanwhile a Christian museum (pro-Christian) is being set up in Saudi Arabia.

hahahahahahahahahahahahaahhaahahahaha

re: #10 A Kiwi Infidel

Got pics...here

THAT is funny.

Chocolate, buzzsawmonkey, you forgot to get the chocolate into the song. It's the most important part.

/nagin + final "i" is the name of a snake in a well-known fiction book series

re: #37 galloping granny

Disney let hamas get away with it once, so you can't blame hamas for trying again!

This stupid museum can do whatever it wants.

They want to have a Mohammad house or whatever...then fine.

Really not much to get all bent about here.

Oman and the museum management wish to demonstrate that The Netherlands holds “ample opportunities for intercultural cooperation”

"intercultural cooperation"?!?

Christians, wake up! These two can not be reconciled!

From the Bible:

I John 2:
22Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
23Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.

From the Qur'an:

004.171
YUSUFALI: O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

Time and again, the Qur'an denies the deity of Jesus and his position as the only Son of God.

intercultural cooperation = spiritual corruption, weakness, and ignorance.

re: #35 yah

Why doesn't the Ambassador of the Sultanate of Oman, Khadija Al-Lawat
just build his own "koran museum?" Why does he want it to be in a Catholic museum?

That is simple. Everywhere that islam goes it takes over any and all religious entities that it can. Starting with the "Hagia Sophia" - once the largest church in all of Christendom. Just try saying a Christian prayer there today! (To be completely fair, they did finally turn it into a "museum" rather than an outright mosque. That is pretty recent though.)

re: #35 yah

Why doesn't the Ambassador of the Sultanate of Oman, Khadija Al-Lawat
just build his own "koran museum?" Why does he want it to be in a Catholic museum?

To dominate it, thinking then they will dominate us.

Unfortunately for them, my faith does not hinge on a building. They do not understand that. Their "faith" is all wrapped up in superficiality and outward expression, foot washing, starving their children during the Ramadan feast (how does that work exactly), heads covered, all for a mere show of piety.

It impresses and convinces no one.

The times
they are a changin'

re: #41 Sharmuta

re: #37 galloping granny

Disney let hamas get away with it once, so you can't blame hamas for trying again!

I still think that Disney actually licensed Mickey to Hamas.

re: #38 Dave the...

Meanwhile a Christian museum (pro-Christian) is being set up in Saudi Arabia.

hahahahahahahahahahahahaahhaahahahaha

O Man!

re: #47 galloping granny

re: #41 Sharmuta

re: #37 galloping granny

Disney let hamas get away with it once, so you can't blame hamas for trying again!

I still think that Disney actually licensed Mickey to Hamas.

Diane Sawyer insisted!

re: #35 yah

Why doesn't the Ambassador of the Sultanate of Oman, Khadija Al-Lawat
just build his own "koran museum?" Why does he want it to be in a Catholic museum?

One-Stop Shop Conversions

re: #43 SlartyBartfast

Oman and the museum management wish to demonstrate that The Netherlands holds “ample opportunities for intercultural cooperation”

"intercultural cooperation"?!?

SNIP

intercultural cooperation = spiritual corruption, weakness, and ignorance.

No. intercultural cooperation = death

Notice how they don't build their own Quran museum? Mosques are always built over holy sites Muslims pillaged.

If your culture has remained static I fail to see the need for a museum.

re: #42 WrathofG-d

This stupid museum can do whatever it wants.

They want to have a Mohammad house or whatever...then fine.

Really not much to get all bent about here.

hmm..somehow I don't think you'd like a special wing dedicated to the wonderful things hitler did in a positive light in a holocaust museum.

re: #20 JammieWearingFool

There is a house in New Orleans, but it was flooded by Bush's hurricane.

And it's called a stinking slum
loved only by eight generations
of sad, welfare bums

When I win the lotto I'm going to build ask the Sultanate of Oman if I can build a house of Jesus in Oman. Buy the way, is Sultanate the feminine of sultan?

'Old Europe'

Money from the Persian Gulf state of Oman is being used to expand a famous Roman Catholic museum in The Hague

Actually, Charles, the dateline of the article says "The Hague" because that's the nearest big city, but the Bible Museum itself is actually in Nijmegen (as the article states). You might want to fix "Hague" to "Nijmegen" in your intro, just to avoid any confusion.

And thanks for the hat tip! I suspect that NO blogs and NO MSM in the English-speaking world is covering this story (which I why I sent it in).

re: #55 bulwrk

Very cogent are you. Them? Not so much.

re: #56 Highrise

Unless you know something I don't know, this museum is an ISLAM museum, not an Islamist museum.

Now if you wish to argue (as I believe you do) that most of what Islam stands for is violence, war, beheadings, imperialism and conquest (which there is a good argument for) and thus any addition of Islam is an addition of Islamism, then we will just have to agree to disagree as we have in the past.

First, however, it has to win a legal procedure instigated by Bishop Hurkmans of Den Bosch, who wants the museum to restrict itself to Christianity.

The museum was originally a pilgrim's place for Roman Catholics. In 2002, Bishop Hurkmans sent its management home in an attempt to block the switch to multiculturalism. At the time, a museum spokesman however said the financially ailing museum would probably not survive if the switch and the subsidies accompanying it were called off.

Stick to your guns, bishops. Don't let this be a done deal.

The reason why I was so upset by this story is that I've actually been to the Open Air Bible Museum in Nijmegen. I liked it a lot -- in a sort of campy, kitschy way.

Then, apparently, a few years ago a cabal of multicultural dhimmis took control of the place's Board of Directors and have been trying to turn it into a mosque ever since. The Sultan of Oman was glad to oblige.

Grrr.

So, whereas it once took Islamic conquest and/or Sharia compulsion to install mosques in churches and synagogues (and fire temples, and etc.), now all that's required is a little European cowardice, to go along with their pathetically incompetent understanding of modern politics.

Man it would be such a shame if the party that hasn't learned to stop listening to these idiots gets elected here in '08. George Washington will be rollin' in his grave.

re: #35 yah

Why doesn't the Ambassador of the Sultanate of Oman, Khadija Al-Lawat just build his own "koran museum?" Why does he want it to be in a Catholic museum?

In accordance with what the sages of Judaism say: [He who says] "What is mine is mine, what is yours is mine", [that is] a wicked man. (Mishnah, Ethics of the Fathers 5:9)

re: #51 buzzsawmonkey

Nah, I couldn't think where to fit it myself. To my mind, it's one of the most scandalous happenings concerning the Katrina affair--race-baiting. Apropos, a link from The American Thinker:

Jesse Jackson drops the "R" bomb on London

OT:

Japanese Jews marching in Jerusalem!

/nothing but European White Imperialists my ass. The Anti-Israel Left is more homogenious then Israel f'n hypocrites.

re: #62 WrathofG-d

Apparently they..the bishops don't agree with you on the substance they wish to put in.

I read the article, it's more than what you are saying..and I think Christians should be protesting this...LOUDLY if they are worth a thing.

Disagree with me if you want, but you posting:

This stupid museum can do whatever it wants.

They want to have a Mohammad house or whatever...then fine.

Really not much to get all bent about here.

warranted a comparison to something important to you.

re: #62 WrathofG-d

Now if you wish to argue (as I believe you do)

And that comment is very disingenuous.

Only if the Saudis build a comparable house of the Bible should the Koran be included in this historic museum.

Here's some more info on "House of Koran" opening at the former Catholic shrine in the Netherlands:

All the other articles are in Dutch, but the can be translated at Babelfish:

(choose "Dutch to English")

For example, Geert Wilders (who else?) is trying to stop the project; the article translates partially to:

Fractievoorzitter believes Geert Wilders that ' it is absolutely undesirable that Dutch agencies enormous amounts from the foreign country received, which aims at promoting Islam here '. Wilders have asked and education, culture and science the Ministers for Finance subsidy to the museum park put Orientalis by direct stopper. museum park Orientalis has been built in oriental style and component of the realm monument holy country foundation. The museum park wants offer on both it Jewry ' to its own look ' and it Christianity and Islam. Thereby on the common origin, the shared history and the related traditions, tales and rituals of three it is indicated. Orientalis want this way ' contributions to a society in which friendship and respect take the place of fear and preconception ', thus its own Internet site.

This is a very good article here:

Translation:

museum park Orientalis, the former biblical air museum in holy country foundation at nijmegen, a half million euro gets subsidy for the construction of a house of the koran of the Sultanaat of oman. Except the Koranhuis there also a house of Mohammed and a mosque come in the museum park.

The museum had officially confessed the news concerning subsidy just in January 2008 wants make, but that date in consultation between oman has advanced as a response to the recent pleading of Member of Parliament Geert Wilders for a prohibition on the koran. They say with their cooperation want leave see that and trust ' cohesion stronger is than mistrust and sometimes even hates '.
"our disclosure of the news concerning subsidy has been provoked directly by Wilders attempt hates to sow", says to P. M. Gijsbers, director of Orientalis. Member of Parliament now this this way busy, has we has been thought: to leave we also once a positive indicator just as concerning interculturele cooperation.
Gijsbers emphasise that oman with subsidy gets none control concerning the contents of the museum.
One has faith in us. We cut also sensitive topics, such as the position of the woman in Islam, but we do not do that neat and in a rancorous manner. We have no slack knees, but show a realistic picture, also already that can be for strict gelovigen sometimes best onwelgevallig.
Islam gets an equivalent place beside Christianity and it in the renewed museum Jewry.
Orientalis also work for the construction of a house of Jesus, a bible house, a house of Mozes, Tenachhuis, a Jerusalem house and a brawl - and peace palate. The refitting of the museum must be in 2011, completed. The costs are estimated on at least 9 million euro.
...
Also the museum governing board has been still involved in a legal procedure with diocese pine bosch, which control claimt to have concerning Orientalis. Bishop Hurkmans finds that Jesus christus must get a central role in the park. The museum has involved the judge to make an end to the intervention of the bishop. The dragging conflict with diocese has a disadvantageous influence on subsidy applications according to the museum and endangers the existence of the museum.

also:
Katholiek Nederland

Closer to the way it will be

now to be transformed to an ‘intercultural museum’ for Judaism, Christianity and Islam

Because we all know how well Islam has been in the past at sharing.

Let's look at those multi-faith prayer rooms, for example.

re: #69 Highrise

My only point was that this museum has the right to do what they want. If it were a Jewish museum and they wanted to put in a Pro-Nazi section, it would still be their right.

That being said. You have the right to complain.

I will admit that I didn't read this article. So if you want to give me a the gist to explain the problem to me 'm game.

re: #70 Highrise

I meant to say that it was my understanding that it is your belief that Islam itself is a problem.

I put the "(as I think you do)" in the wrong place.

Nijmegen?

That's the key city in Operation Market Garden, known mostly as A Bridge to Far where the British First Airborne was pummeled for days without relief.

re: #74 WrathofG-d

I can't stick around..but it's rather hard to converse if you haven't read the article.

re: #68 WrathofG-d

Racism is an old disease,
Almost wiped out by progress,
Save for stubborn pockets holding out,
Enclaves of regress.
Do you know, my son, if you wish racism to find,
Where to look, in a world almost of it bereft?
The answer, the only place where it can be still be found, is:
On the Left, my son, look on the Left!

re: #65 zombie

zombie, if the Bible museum was doomed because of financial troubles, what are you gonna do?

re: #78 ZionistYoungster

re: #68 WrathofG-d

Racism is an old disease,
Almost wiped out by progress,
Save for stubborn pockets holding out,
Enclaves of regress.
Do you know, my son, if you wish racism to find,
Where to look, in a world almost of it bereft?
The answer, the only place where it can be still be found, is:
On the Left, my son, look on the Left!

Reverse-racism is alive and well in America.

re: #79 squarepeg

re: #65 zombie

zombie, if the Bible museum was doomed because of financial troubles, what are you gonna do?

Die an Honorable death.

re: #75 WrathofG-d

re: #70 Highrise

I meant to say that it was my understanding that it is your belief that Islam itself is a problem.

I put the "(as I think you do)" in the wrong place.

understood :) .

O/T:

Islam vs. Opus

Penguin akbar!

In 2011, Museumpark Orientalis also hopes to have constructed a House of Jesus, a House of Moses, a Bible House, a Tenach House, a Jerusalem House, a House of Meetings and a Spiritual Garden

Future affronts to Islam.

re: #80 cbinflux

That was precisely my idea.

re: #66 kulthur

So, whereas it once took Islamic conquest and/or Sharia compulsion to install mosques in churches and synagogues (and fire temples, and etc.), now all that's required is a little European cowardice

It has been said that the best thing that ever happened to Islam was 911. All the LLL of the west felt so guilty for having a moment's anger at being attacked that they can't surrender enough to make up for it.

That and they have to make up for all us neanderthals who had more than just a moment's anger and won't surrender at all.

We cut also sensitive topics, such as the position of the woman in Islam,

interesting

re: #81 cbinflux

Die an Honorable death.

Once you've done that, how do you stop someone else from building a shrine to your enemy on your very ruins?

re: #83 Jheka

Opus Censored by MSM Fear of RoP

re: #88 squarepeg

Aaa, the hell with it.

I'm tired of this crap. There is one, and only one solution to this: Ban Muslim immigration permanently, and expel Muslims already here who desire sharia and call for Jihad. Let us separate ourselves from the Islamic world. Everything else is just talk.

re: #72 zombie
From your link:

The dragging conflict with diocese has a disadvantageous influence on subsidy applications according to the museum and endangers the existence of the museum.

I would then guess that the diocese owns the building. In which case I would expect them to either sell the building, or nix the entire deal. From what I've seen of PB XVI so far, he's not a dhimmi enabler. As the first post-9/11 Pope, he was the pontifical candidate with the greatest understanding and research into islam.

re: #79 squarepeg

re: #65 zombie

zombie, if the Bible museum was doomed because of financial troubles, what are you gonna do?

Like others have said -- I'd rather see it closed than turned into a mosque.

re: #34 RonAA
It will have a Judaism section, but the content will be approved by the Sultan of Oman. I see speaking rocks.

re: #89 buzzsawmonkey

re: #68 WrathofG-d

Inspiring and beautiful--though, with all the ahavas Yisroel in the world, I still want to make a joke about "Jelusarem." Or about Japanese Jewish Hasidim wearing kimono-kapotes.

Funny!

re: #88 squarepeg

re: #81 cbinflux

Die an Honorable death.

Once you've done that, how do you stop someone else from building a shrine to your enemy on your very ruins?

Better than a surrender without a fight.

re: #92 Fjordman

Hear, hear Sir.

In the west, every individual has a right of freedom of worship. If an individual wants to exert their religion over another, there's plenty of countries that do it. Let them go to that country.

Reverse-racism is alive and well in America.

There is no such thing. It either is or is not racism.

re: #97 galloping granny

The Catholic Church isn't dying. If the museum is a failure, there are other uses of the site that can be successful.

re: #99 Sharmuta

Reverse-racism is alive and well in America.

There is no such thing. It either is or is not racism.

In a perfect world. Come to Atlanta, Mermphus, Dallas, ... Boston... DEARBORN.

The AP lays a tongue-bath all over Hugo Chavez.

Spicoli couldn't have written a more fawning press release.

re: #89 buzzsawmonkey

"Sha'aru sh'rom Yerusharayim; yishrayu kor ohavayikh." (Psalms 147:6, Japanese Jewish version)

re: #94 zombie

re: #79 squarepeg

re: #65 zombie

zombie, if the Bible museum was doomed because of financial troubles, what are you gonna do?

Like others have said -- I'd rather see it closed than turned into a mosque.

AMEN! At least they'd have taken a stand for Mary.

The Hague which is known as Den Hague in dutch is a fine city, problem is in europe the only religious people left are the Islamics. Modern euros just dont give a crap about it anymore. This explains why churches lie in neglect and Mosques are springing up all over the place. Combine that with the billions in oil money that the Sultanates are pouring into europe to establish a "permanent Muslims presence" and Eurabia here we come.

re: #100 buzzsawmonkey

Exactly.

OT, but this just came out a bit ago:

Israel PM to meet Palestinian President on Tuesday

re: #97 galloping granny

You home-school, don't you? Please drop me a line.

buzzsawmoney,

Liked your take on House of the Rising Sun.

Now we get to suffer through the anniversary this week.

re: #101 FightingBack

re: #97 galloping granny

The Catholic Church isn't dying. If the museum is a failure, there are other uses of the site that can be successful.

With all due respect, Catholic churches in the EU are mostly taxpayer funded museums -- which the taxpayers resent.

Like our Universities, the dutch will sell their soul, their history, their freedom and their women for a few dollars.

re: #108 Thanos

If Olmert offers the Arabs one inch of Jerusalem...I hope that somebody in Israel...oh wait...um...

I wish them all the very best, and peace, doves, love, kumbayaaa

I expect to see the earth ruling Zionist cabal donate 10 trillion dollars within the next few weeks to build a House of Moses next to the House of Koran. I also expect them to build a huge wall around the House of Koran so no one can enter or exit. Those kooky Zionists.

But seriously...if were going to be that multicultural, I want to see a House of Buddha.

re: #106 El matamoros

The Hague which is known as Den Hague in dutch is a fine city, [...]

Except for the International Court of Moonbat "Justice" there that's ready to sentence any non-Muslim "warmonger" who pulls just a bit away from the PC rules of engagement for the sake of self-defense.

That and the UN building in New York are eyesores, heartsores and mindsores that I'd like to see included in some kind of re-urbanization plan one day.

re: #99 Sharmuta

Reverse-racism is alive and well in America.

There is no such thing. It either is or is not racism.

I proposed a solution to a notorious San Francisco ordinance that is being challenged in court.

The ordinance stipulates that the city give a certain percentage of municipal contracts to black-owned and women-owned business, regardless of whether or not they had the lowest bid or are the best company for the job. The ordinance violates state law, but the city ignores that pesky little detail.

My solution is simple and elegant:

A white-owned company should represent itself as being black-owned. Submit an inflated bid. Get the contract anyway. Then, when the owner's skin-color is revealed, and someone says, "Hey, you're not black!", the company owner should reply:

"Yes I am. If you think I'm not black, then prove I'm not black. My great-great-grandfather might have been black, and I therefore self-identify as black. I feel black. And you're a racist for denying my feelings and self-identification."

A blond, blue-eyed contractor would be best for this role.

If, at that point, the contractor gets challenged legally as to his racial identification, then the plaintiffs will be in the impossible position of determining someone's ethnicity in order to DENY them rights.

The case would be toss out of court immediately.

The law would be declared unconstituional.

Game over for this phony "affirmative action" racism.

Splendid. This sooo muli-cultural. You know like they do in the friendly Islamic Sand Republics.
I am sure that the Sultan does not want Islam to have a more exalted place on the premises than the other religions.
I do however have a concern. If they depict the Crusades will there be dueling Christian and Muslim versions? Or in the alternative will there just be one version ie Chistian bad, Muslim good?
The real respnse should have been that the Sultan must also fund a Chistian & Jewish awareness museum in Oman. I am sure that there would have been no problem.

re: #112 buzzsawmonkey

More like the divine wind a.k.a. the kamikaze.

/we need some such kamikaze to ward off the islamikazes

re: #117 zombie

That's an excellant idea! When I joined the AF, I put down my race as hispanic because Christopher Columbus was hispanic. hehehehe. How could they prove that I'm not?

re: #117 zombie

re: #99 Sharmuta

The Mermphus City Council is removing the word "minority" from all city business. Reason: Blacks are the Majority.

Reverse racism is alive and well in Mermphus. Y'all come!

re: #117 zombie

If, at that point, the contractor gets challenged legally as to his racial identification, then the plaintiffs will be in the impossible position of determining someone's ethnicity in order to DENY them rights.

That is brilliant. I'd offer my services as a contractor, but I'm female.

/So, the ordinance is sexist too.

The Catholic Church is indeed dying in Europe. It is a shell. The Italian birthrate is now well below stability. More Spanish and Italians now say they are non-religious than Catholic. Only Poland is overtly Catholic. America and South America still have strong churches but Mexico has anti-Catholic legislation at every Senate session and the American Church is getting weaker and poorer with its failure to deal with pedophiles, birth control and medically necessary abortions as well as it's bizarre treatment of women, particularly given the failure and creepiness of the priesthood. Maybe if the priest could marry, like the Russian and Greek Orthodox churches, there would be a resurgence.

This story just shook something loose from my brain. Remember the Louvre getting a 20 million dollar endowment for an islamic wing? This is much the same. I know it is elsewhere but I linked to it.Why does this sound like much the same to me?

re: #113 pat

Like our Universities, the dutch will sell their soul, their history, their freedom and their women for a few dollars.

WHY do Conservative parents continue to fund these Lefty Loon colleges, even Christian campuses? Apathy, ignorance..?

Time for a swim!

re: #122 cbinflux

The benefits and special treatment is based on "equalizing" society for the benefit of the minority. (yet, this never applied to Jews)

So what I want to know as a non-Hispanic in Los Angeles, is if I will begin to recieve the benefits of minority in the very near future when the Mexicans are the majority. I look forward to my special contracts, lower taxes and specialized class treatment.

re: #127 cbinflux

I say ignorance.

re: #117 zombie

A gay black/Native American female contractor with blone hair and blue eyes

I read an opinion recently that said China will become the center of Christianity by 2050 if the current rate of conversion holds true. Link was out of WeasleZipper.

re: #129 WrathofG-d

No Sir, 'Minority' will be moth-balled. Tangentially, I welcome the rising hispanic population here -- if only to unseat the current corrupt, racist lunatics. But then, they'll want 'minority' status back, and on the city's books.

re: #131 buzzsawmonkey

Someone should challenge that. It is nothing but Racism. They are benefitting one race over another.

Or can only Whites be racist?

As to Katrina...why is there no talk of aid, etc., to the White people of New Orleans or those of Texas and the cities most recently affected by hurricanes?

Only the blacks of N.O. "needed" / deserved FEMA, Fed assistance, etc.?

#106: Maybe belief in a higher purpose is a necessity in order to create lasting greatness. Achievements that transcend a human lifespan can only be created in honor of institutions or beliefs that transcend a human lifespan. Since many Europeans no longer experience themselves as part of a wider community with a past worth preserving and a future worth fighting for, which is arguably also why they see no point in reproducing, they cannot produce anything of real greatness. Europe in the past believed in itself, in its culture, its nations and above all its religion, and produced Michelangelo, Newton, Kepler and Galileo. Europe now believes in virtually nothing and produces virtually nothing.

Would Michelangelo paint the Sistine Chapel in honor of the European Union?

re: #132 bulwrk

re: #117 zombie

A gay black/Native American female contractor with blone hair and blue eyes

A former bi-racial Boss said that a one-eyed Eskimo woman could OWN America.

OT Terrorists using more factory seconds.

Have you seen this yet?

Caution: dead terrorists

re: #133 pat

A note of caution: He was formerly known as Beaver Snaps.

re: #125 pat

I agree but beware; there have been some very heated discussions about that in the past. Don't be surprised if someone freaks out on you.

re: #141 Killgore Trout

re: #125 pat

I agree but beware; there have been some very heated discussions about that in the past. Don't be surprised if someone freaks out on you.

PAT, How dare you point out that elephant!

Along with its name, the museum’s objective has changed. Formerly an traditional Catholic pilgrim’s infidel gathering place, the museum is now to be transformed into a ‘intercultural religious museum monument for Judaism, Christianity and affirming by law the superiority of Islam.

/fixed

re: #135 WrathofG-d

Someone should challenge that. It is nothing but Racism. They are benefitting one race over another.

Or can only Whites be racist?

So goes the opinion in certain quarters.

Gotta go again. 'Night, lizards!

re: #125 pat
Please don't think that just because the MSM enjoys hosting the 'Pedophile Priests' court case on the front page whenever the opportunity presents itself that nothing was done or that it is a continuing issue. That just feeds the equivalence argument of the islamists. I can assure you that Protecting Gods Children* is an ongoing, continual program in CCD and Catholic Schools across the U.S.

* The name of the program

Thanks guys, my running shoes are on. (I attended Catholic s chools and am extremely grateful for the scholarship was was given me)

#133: That would be Spengler of the Asia Times. I don't think there's going to be a majority of Christians in China for a very long time, if ever, but they are already a significant minority, and growing:

Christianity finds a fulcrum in Asia

China may be for the 21st century what Europe was during the 8th-11th centuries, and America has been during the past 200 years: the natural ground for mass evangelization. If this occurs, the world will change beyond our capacity to recognize it. Islam might defeat the western Europeans, simply by replacing their diminishing numbers with immigrants, but it will crumble beneath the challenge from the East.

Just saw a very sad commentary on the dhimmification of Europe:
Pixels, Not Parables at Cologne Cathedral

In Cologne there’s a more open-minded approach. Richter has been commissioned to decorate a glass surface measuring around 100 square metres, which dominates the south transept. Here, there’s a conscious preference for avoiding figurative depictions. Richter's design divides the window into 80 square sections and uses just as many different hues of colouring.

Here is a close up of the abomination.

Now that cathedral will be much easier to convert to a mosque.

re: #142 cbinflux

I still haven't seen miguel post after his foul mouthed meltdown, I feel kinda bad about it.

The majority are still called minority because they are still the minority in the US. But why is country-wide the end-all-be-all defining factor? Taken planet-wide, non-whites are the majority again.

I always 'self identify' as Native American. Usually they look at me kinda funny and just put it down. I had one woman ask me 'what tribe'? I said 'none - go look up the word native'.

French Sniper School

re: #147 Fjordman

Yep, that was the article. 40% of Koreans are now christans. And they tend to be the most educated in Korea.

re: #149 Killgore Trout

?
Miguel who?

re: #148 NuclearTinkerbellWhat is that?

re: #135 WrathofG-d

Someone should challenge that. It is nothing but Racism. They are benefitting one race over another.

Or can only Whites be racist?

Well- that's the point. Racism against Whites is still racism. Re-framing it, imo, is a disservice. It is what it is- racism- period.

And as far as "minorities" becoming majorities- hope they're ready for the shoe to be on the other foot. EO laws will not be gone.

re: #155 cbinflux

Miguel Down in Mexico, He used to be fairly regular around here.

re: #149 Killgore Trout

He's here either very early in the morning or very late at night - depending on where you are.

re: #148 NuclearTinkerbell

Another museum. Been there.

re: #160 Killer Tomato

Or maybe in the middle of the afternoon... (damn time zones)

re: #160 Killer Tomato

Ah, I don't hang out on the overnight threads. It's good to know I didn't completely scare him away.

re: #159 Killgore Trout

Is he that lovable guy who wore his feelings on his sleeve, but had a delayed fuse?

re: #149 Killgore Trout

I still haven't seen miguel post after his foul mouthed meltdown, I feel kinda bad about it.

He's still around once in a while. I'm glad that you feel bad about participating/instigating his 'foul mouthed' meltdown. It really is tough sometimes around here. Some of you guys sound like CAIR when you attack the Catholic Church. CAIR must just sit back and smile and take notes.

#154: Yes, Christianity is growing fast in South Korea. It is interesting to see how newly converted Christians react in non-Western nations. I've been critical of Christianity sometimes because it is one of the impulses behind the Western inability to protect our borders, and it is. But it is Christianity within a specific cultural-ideological context that reacts like this. Koreans don't have the same problem, as far as I know.

Killer Tomato!

re: #148 NuclearTinkerbell

Contemporary art.
Squares are easy. Figures and faces are hard.

JWM

re: #157 Sharmuta

re: #135 WrathofG-d

Someone should challenge that. It is nothing but Racism. They are benefitting one race over another.

Or can only Whites be racist?

Well- that's the point. Racism against Whites is still racism. Re-framing it, imo, is a disservice. It is what it is- racism- period.

And as far as "minorities" becoming majorities- hope they're ready for the shoe to be on the other foot. EO laws will not be gone.

Yes it SHOULD work that way...but my gut says that it WILL NOT. Even when they are at 98% of LA I assume the "minorities" will still demand & get preferential treatment.

re: #167 cbinflux

You rang?

re: #165 ec marm

From my perspective some of you react like CAIR when criticized.
/2 way street

Africa is now better equipped to send devout Christian missionaries to the US and EU than the reverse.

re: #173 cbinflux

Africa is now better equipped to send devout Christian missionaries to the US and EU than the reverse.

True. In my church the last two visiting missionaries were from Africa. Inspiring they were. Funny too!

re: #170 WrathofG-d

Bet on it

A museum spokesperson yesterday stated that there are also plans for a House of Mohammed...

Maybe they could relocate the real house of Mohammed before the Wahhabis bulldoze it. If they haven't already.

Security upgrade for C notes since Dinnerjacket and friend Kim have been counterfeiting them so much lately

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Please forgive my ignorance of European religious history but IIRC Holland was a port of call for free-thinkers and radicals in the 16th and 17th century who fled the then repressive Catholic Europe in their passage to Protestant Scotland.

All branches of Christians whatever their denomination need to unite with Judaism in the fight against radical Islam.

re: #174 CrimsonFisted

Africa and the former head of Singapore have given the US much needed wake-up calls. Which we've ignored.

Is it me or do the comments look different? Some new spacing?

re: #8 mrsoc

At the time, a museum spokesman however said the financially ailing museum would probably not survive if the switch and the subsidies accompanying it were called off.

Then let it die. There are worse things than closing a museum. (See above article.)
If you let this happen, it will happen. What does it take to wake people up? what does it take?

Agreed, let it close.

#156 CrimsonFisted

re: #148 NuclearTinkerbell What is that?

That is the new window at the Cologne Cathedral.
No more pesky faces to offend their new overlords. It will be much easier to convert to a mosque than the St. Sophia's Cathedral Hajia Sophia.

Oh let's let them have a Museum of the Koran. But let's give his All-Holiness Benedict XVI, his not-quite-so-holy Robert Spencer, his hey-cut-it-out—I-don't believe-that-junk Ibn Warraq, et al. oversight on the exhibits.

re: #172 Killgore Trout

From my perspective some of you react like CAIR when criticized.
/2 way street

No, I responded to 'pat' above with a calm, reasoned response in the form of a piece of information that she perhaps did not know. I really grow weary of the continual slaps at Catholicism from the uninformed. Which Miguel did, also.

re: #177 Thanos

It was twenties in the Phillipines last time around.

Why don't we 'bomb' their countries with fake notes?

re: #165 ec marm

At times I do think the anti christian air around here is silly..and usually we seem to have enough people onhand to question the silliness and nip stuff in the bud by proving it wrong or conceding that maybe something is a grey area.

With that said, this place is NOTHING compared to most places. I don't even read the comments on a lot of hot air due to it's attack on christianity and unreasoned *debate* is what they call it. Atleast here, there it does seem to work out.

Some people go overboard..and I must agree with KT on this one...it does go both ways..I've had my own arguments with the same person and the person was on the attack and meltdown because no one else could be right..only the person was. You know that type of stuff doesn't fly here.

It happens. We all can't get along..and no one is perfect nor a saint.

off to the pool..have a good one folks.

LGF is great :) .

re: #183 David IV of Georgia

Oh let's let them have a Museum of the Koran. But let's give his All-Holiness Benedict XVI, his not-quite-so-holy Robert Spencer, his hey-cut-it-out—I-don't believe-that-junk Ibn Warraq, et al. oversight on the exhibits.

HOW could you forget Hitch?!

re: #184 ec marm

I rest my case.

re: #166 Fjordman

Fjordman, there are many Korean Christians in Honolulu. They are a solid Christian based group. They tend to be peacenics, but they are Biblical about it. The also have all the denominations. I had a laugh the other day. I saw a bus with 2 Korean drivers taking a load of caucasians back to either a ship or a hotel Obviously after church service. the writing on the vehicle was korean, but there was a large translation. Korean Baptist Church. they were all laughing together. I wonder how the sermon came across?

In Honolulu we also have a Chinese Lutheran Church. Chinese speaking, mostly immigrants, but the church is a full participant in all synagogue affairs.

PIMF Hajia Sophia = Hagia Sophia = St. Sophia's

It really is tough sometimes around here. Some of you guys sound like CAIR when you attack the Catholic Church. CAIR must just sit back and smile and take notes.

Look, the Christian - non-Christian divide is perhaps the most difficult divide to overcome within the West today. I'm struggling with this myself. Some of the criticism of Christianity, or at least the way many Western Christians are behaving now, is legitimate, but there is also a powerful anti-Christian wave that is not legitimate at all.

Regarding the Catholic Church: I have heard Catholics claim that Multiculturalism and Political Correctness are tied to Protestant culture. I'm willing to consider that possibility. I know there are significant doctrinal differences between Catholics and Protestants regarding redemption and the sinful nature of man. Maybe some of this is tied to the Protestant concept of "salvation through Faith alone." However, when it comes to just plain old-fashioned dhimmitude and abandoning national borders, Catholics are at least as bad as Protestants.

re: #182 NuclearTinkerbell

Ick. One of the things I enjoy in church is the stained glass that tells a story. Just lovely to look at. That looks like a very bad quilt. Bad design, bad execution.

re: #189 Highrise

Me too, fer real this time.

LGF is adddictive

re: #186 song_and_dance_man

However, point OBVIOUS similarities, and one had better be wearing Mormon underwear.

/How's that for Equal Opportunity Fun-Poking?

re: #194 Fjordman

In fact the doctrinal differences between Lutherans and Catholics have been significantly reduced over the last 30 years. Recently the Pope (or the Bishop of Rome as the Lutherans good naturedly joke)stated that unbaptized babies who died shortly after birth went to heaven. That little thing brought the churches even closer.

re: #194 Fjordman

Is it not against Liberalism (and taking it to its point of conclusion) and common sense and nothing to do with religion?

Won't surprise me that the vatican, in Rome, will also succumb to the lure of Saudi money. And, in time, that, too, will be a mosque. Big empty buildings without chairs.

After that? Perhaps, if we go into another Dark Ages? The muslems will claim they invented science. Allah, be damned.

Trash is trash. "Doing something for money" is also whoring. But for the Europeans? What have they got left? They loved Hitler. They loved butchering Jews. And, their religious places are empty.

The reason? People walked out before the muslems came in.

re: #117 zombie

It's already being done and a fairly common practice, for example putting your wife's name on the trucking company paperwork instead of your own. The same with getting your non-white friend to put the company in his name, then you pay him a few bills in return.

re: #201 Carol Herman

OUCH!

So begins the mending of that which we call History.

re: #198 cbinflux

re: #186 song_and_dance_man

However, point OBVIOUS similarities, and one had better be wearing Mormon underwear.

/How's that for Equal Opportunity Fun-Poking?

I like my 'magic' undies...thank you very much:)

re: #186 song_and_dance_man See, what really is disturbing is that the actions of a few sick individuals will be continually used to attack Catholicism. No matter how many years ago it occurred, or whatever has been done in the interim to correct the problem. It was a problem largely confined to the United States. Yes, it was American citizens that did this to children. They belong in jail for their actions. One hundred years from now, as the smoke rises from the ashes of WTC XI, will the same tired topic be raised, 'Well, remember that Catholic Church and those priests?'

Who is setting Greece on fire?

[Link: www.csmonitor.com...]

Oh dear.

Do have Korans for sale?

Do they have public toilets?

(((Flush)))

re: #205 Oh no...Sand People!

Are you, uh... one of them?

/Secret Red Tie handshake...

#195 Crimsonfisted

Ick. One of the things I enjoy in church is the stained glass that tells a story. Just lovely to look at. That looks like a very bad quilt. Bad design, bad execution.

I agree! Deciphering the stories in stained glass is half the fun. Surely there must have been a record of what the windows depicted prior to their destruction during WWII?

If art reveals the soul of the artist and the conscience of the time in which the artist lives, surely that soulless resignation of a once great window is a sad statement.

One of the things that rational people look at, are faith statements that include what God does. Sorry, folks.

Martin Luther was a Catholic priest. He soon discovered how rotten things were INSIDE. Where he said St. Peter isn't blowing information up anyone's ass. And, you didn't need priests to understand the Bible. All ya had to do was read it.

It's still the most read book in this world.

And, old men who tell you they know where things are in the after-life; are selling you a bill of goods. Of course, there are no "return windows." It's not merchandise you can check out, either.

Other than the fact that these claims have been made for thousands of years; and nobody ... I mean nobody ... has heard a word from the man, upstairs.

What you trust? Your business. But I don't put value into second-hand gossip.

re: #207 warren raymond

Who is setting Greece on fire?

[Link: www.csmonitor.com...]

Who cares?! I told them more than once not to leave it on the burner.

Speaking of missionaries, the ACLU and DOJ are on the same side in defending Mormom student who wants his scholarship re-upped after he did two years of work in the field.

CHARLESTON, W.Va. - The Justice Department is joining the American Civil Liberties Union in backing a student who lost his state-funded merit-based scholarship because he left college to serve a two-year church mission.

The department's Civil Rights Division filed a friend-of-the-court brief Friday in U.S. District Court in Charleston on behalf of David Haws, a student at West Virginia University.

Haws, a Mormon, is suing a state scholarship board, alleging it violated his First Amendment right to freely exercise his religion. His attorney argues that by denying Haws' request for a leave of absence, the board forced him to choose between his religion and his scholarship through a state program, known as PROMISE.

SNIP

The ACLU is backing a Christian?

re: #185 cbinflux

re: #177 Thanos

It was twenties in the Phillipines last time around.

Why don't we 'bomb' their countries with fake notes?

I was thinking about the fake bundles of 100's Hez' Burqwa was passing out after they almost got crushed by Israel.

re: #209 cbinflux

re: #205 Oh no...Sand People!

Are you, uh... one of them?

/Secret Red Tie handshake...

Yup. It's a white tie, though...

That reminds me of the Monty Python skit on, "How to spot a Free Mason"...

re: #201 Carol Herman

But for the Europeans? What have they got left? They loved Hitler.

What about the tens of thousands of Europeans who resisted Hitler in the resistance movement whose sacrifice saved countless American lives during the Normandy landings of 6/6/44?

re: #212 cbinflux

News last nite said 20 of the fires were arson. 20!

re: #206 ec marm

That simply isn't true, and it certainly isn't all in the past.

Sorry, but that's the facts.

re: #215 Oh no...Sand People!

If you don't know about their Red Ties be glad.

By the way, is Sultanate the feminine of sultan?

No. It is the area of which the sultan reigns, like a king to a kingdom. An emir's reign is in an emirate.

re: #213 MandyManners

Speaking of missionaries, the ACLU and DOJ are on the same side in defending Mormom student who wants his scholarship re-upped after he did two years of work in the field.

CHARLESTON, W.Va. - The Justice Department is joining the American Civil Liberties Union in backing a student who lost his state-funded merit-based scholarship because he left college to serve a two-year church mission.

The department's Civil Rights Division filed a friend-of-the-court brief Friday in U.S. District Court in Charleston on behalf of David Haws, a student at West Virginia University.

Haws, a Mormon, is suing a state scholarship board, alleging it violated his First Amendment right to freely exercise his religion. His attorney argues that by denying Haws' request for a leave of absence, the board forced him to choose between his religion and his scholarship through a state program, known as PROMISE.

SNIP

The ACLU is backing a Christian Mormon?

There...saved you some time for when it comes out that, "MORMONS AREN'T CHRISTIAN...Barak isn't Black...blah blah blah..."
:)

re: #220 6pat6

Or to use the English translation. "hellhole"

re: #214 Thanos

Good memory. I recall that Saddam was cranking out our bills, too. As is Iran.

re: #218 cbinflux

re: #206 ec marm

That simply isn't true, and it certainly isn't all in the past.

Sorry, but that's the facts.

Got a link for a recent incident? If you do, I'll bet it went straight to the police. But show me the link.

re: #219 cbinflux

You really have me intrigued. I have studied as much pro and con information as possible, I must have missed the 'red tie' bit. I think I have an idea of what you are talking about, though.

But I'm keen to know what you mean.

#199:

In fact the doctrinal differences between Lutherans and Catholics have been significantly reduced over the last 30 years.

Well yes, but if you look closely at the Second Vatican Council from the 1960s, there are some problematic ideas there as well. It was good for reaching out to Christians of other denominations, Protestant and Orthodox, and for reaching out to Jews. The problematic aspect is in relations to Islam. The big Achilles’ heel of Christians in general, and sometimes of Jews, when confronted with Islam is the idea of a "shared community of monotheists worshiping the God of Abraham." As long as this myth is maintained, Christianity can actually in certain situations be a bridge for Islam to enter the West, rather than a bulwark against it. I have seen more than once Christians making common cause with Muslims as "men of faith" against the godless forces of secularism. I notice, however, that Christians hardly ever do the same with, say, Hindus, so it must have something to do with a shared sense of monotheism.

re: #193 NuclearTinkerbell

PIMF Hajia Sophia = Hagia Sophia = St. Sophia's

I met a Japanese Orthodox priest who went to the "museum" St. Sophia in Constant Istanbul. He began chanting the Paschal (Easter) Canon loudly in Greek. The Muslim guards ran in to see who was committing this outrage. He began chatting to his wife and children in Japanese. The guards never looked twice at this little Japanese tourist. The guards left, unable to find who was doing this illegal chanting. The Japanese priest took up the canon where he left off. Again the guards came. Again the priest chatted with his family. Again the guards left. Again the priest took up the hymn where he left off. This continued for an hour or so until the priest had finished the canon.

An Orthodox priest from Pennsylvania also chanted the Paschal canon in St. Sophia. When the guards came in and demanded he stop, he told the guards to either arrest him or let him be and continued. The guards decided to ignore him and left.

Christos anesti ek nekron.

re: #224 ec marm

Mulroney!

re: #227 David IV of Georgia

Bravery, Christian bravery

Last visitor to the house of islam. I dunno. Not so appealing, yes?

re: #225 Oh no...Sand People!

They were (are?) Church enforcers. I knew one and I've met folks they've visited and impressed. Kinda like the stories of folks who've left Las Vegas, and thought they could ignore their debts.

Ever seen the 60 Minutes piece on the Mormon inventor (pitting cherry seeds)? That was a compelling article.

I actually attended a lecture held by this current museum-director. It appears that the museum could do well without the multicultural money, the only problem was that the visitor-numbers had decreased, but still had a solid base off german, protestant, visitors. So no real problem there.
This current director is by the way an absolute nitwit, who's constantly talking in full of shit managingnewsspeak. In that fashion he even dares to defend him using mistery guests on his volunteer-staff. This in order to check if they are telling objective (not specific christian) story's as the people are guided past all the (non-) biblical settings.

I disagree with those on LGF who say the Catholic Church is dying in America. I'm married to a Catholic in a mostly Protestant town and I will tell you in my 20 years of marriage, I've grown a very healthy respect for the Catholic Church and its works. And I know many other Protestants that feel the way I do.

During the 80s and 90s, I felt John Paul and Billy Graham to be possibly the two greatest Evangelists in the world.

We Protestants have our share of toads. How many megachurch preachers have dropped the ball while preaching the false doctrine of health and wealth or frequenting the bath houses while preaching against the evils of homosexuality?

re: #228 cbinflux
link?

re: #228 cbinflux

re: #224 ec marm

Mulroney!

D'oh! Mahoney!

And the pedophile priest who left Mermphus for Nashville. The law is leaving it up to The Church.

And the fellow that the Dallas newspaper did a scalding four-part series on...

All current. Should I go on?

re: #232 cbinflux

re: #225 Oh no...Sand People!

They were (are?) Church enforcers. I knew one and I've met folks they've visited and impressed. Kinda like the stories of folks who've left Las Vegas, and thought they could ignore their debts.

Ever seen the 60 Minutes piece on the Mormon inventor (pitting cherry seeds)? That was a compelling article.

Cherry seeds? Nope haven't seen it.

Now let me get what you said here. There is a group inside of "mormondom" that wear Red Ties^TM that do the 'enforcing' of Mormon Theology on those who are wayward believers according to the standards of Mormonism? Is that the gist? Akin to "Guido" and "I'll break your knees if you don't give Mrs. Jones the Green Jello on wednesday at 6:00...?"

re: #211 Carol Herman

All ya had to do was read it.

OK if he was so rational and the book alone is all any man needs to understand Christ, then which part of that Bible do you think turned him into a raving Jew hater. linkHe gave to Hitler what Karl Marx gave to Stalin.

re: #237 cbinflux All I'm asking for is some links.

re: #236 buzzsawmonkey

LOL. Well, if we could get them to stop at the hands, I might be more forgiving.

...

.The ACLU is backing a Christian Mormon?...

...There...saved you some time for when it comes out that, "MORMONS
AREN'T CHRISTIAN...Barak isn't Black...blah blah blah..."
:)

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints...oh
got it! The ACLU must be referring to that other Jesus Christ in the
New Testament

re: #202 caliredst8r

re: #117 zombie

It's already being done and a fairly common practice, for example putting your wife's name on the trucking company paperwork instead of your own. The same with getting your non-white friend to put the company in his name, then you pay him a few bills in return.

Oh, I know all about that trick. I know people who do it -- they put a token minority person's name as the owner of the company, even though he has no actual power. He gets a stipend as the faux-owner.

This gimmick -- while a successful way to get around the law -- doesn't challenge the law directly. It simply exploits a loophole. What someone needs to do is declare themselves a minority, even if they aren't a minority. Then the law will necessarily disintegrate, as we will get into Nazi-like "proving someone's racial identity" to deny them rights, which is patently unconstitutional.

Would it be wrong to suggest the house of Koran be split into male and female sections? This would be inline with the teachings of the extremists etc and wouldn't embarrass everyone so much when asking for a copy from the next stall as needed...

re: #234 goodbye_natalie

Note that I did not say it was dying. I said it was strong, but eaker and poorer than it had been. It is indeed poorer as the church itself has stated. And while it has lost many adherents to protestant churches, the Catholic church has gained Hispanic congregations to make up for the Irish and English that have left. In Hawaii for instance, the Filipinos have replaced the Portuguese in the pews.

re: #240 song_and_dance_man

re: #198 cbinflux

re: #186 song_and_dance_man

However, point OBVIOUS similarities, and one had better be wearing Mormon underwear.

/How's that for Equal Opportunity Fun-Poking?

This will NOT be popular and I may be ignored for keying it, but Mormans are Islam-Lite.

Of course it is popular. We are quite good at taking S*** and doing nothing about it. But then again, we aren't thin skinned and when people actually take the time to see what we have to say instead of listening to "My pastor, who doesn't want to lose his paycheck, told me that..." we get along with virtually everyone. We are nice people.

However, "STOP MORMONISM, your pastor still needs help with his yacht payment!"

This Mahoney?

Catholic School Gets City to Take Down Massive Condom Billboard

By Elizabeth O'Brien

DORCHESTER, MA, August 13, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The administrators of a Catholic school have successfully demanded the city to remove an enormous condom billboard plastered directly within view of school classrooms, the Boston Herald Reports.
The enormous advertisement is a picture of two hands holding a condom with the question, "Are you using?" Underneath the picture is written in smaller letters, "I am. Use a condom. Know your HIV status. Call for a free test." It then lists the AIDS Action Hotline number. "The Boston Public Health Commission" is printed at the bottom.

Kim Mahoney, vice principal of St. Kevin Elementary School, stated in the Herald, "I just don't think it's appropriate."

[Link: www.lifesite.net...]

I wish there were a good financial backer who give funds for the addition of a House of Pancakes. THAT I'd visit.

re: #238 Oh no...Sand People!

Yeah, all very hush-hush. They're also sometimes involved in ~ shunning enforcement.

Red Ties: Not just for business takeovers anymore.

/Stay tuned for Nazarenes. But after a swim.

re: #224 ec marm

There are still problems...
Affidavit describes sex allegations against Naugatuck priest

Court papers describe allegations against a Roman Catholic priest in Naugatuck accused of coercing a teenage boy into giving him oral sex in exchange for wine and money.

Catholic Officials 'Saddened' Over Priest Sex Allegations

Recent 'Disturbing' Clergy Sex Abuse & Cover Up Lawsuit Settled for $1.2 Million

These are headlines from the past few weeks and there are plenty more.

re: #246 pat

I wasn't pointing at any one person here Pat. I just think there's a danger in pointing to a hand-full of bad priests or looking at one region of the country to say, "see, it's dying or it's in trouble."

For all of the good works the Catholic Church does, you'll never hear. But give me one bad Bishop or a pedophile priest, why the MSM and the secular crowd can't drag the Church thru the mud enough.

I don't see anything dying. I do see a division building. Separating the sheep from the goats, so to speak.

re: #252 buzzsawmonkey

re: #249 Simon Jester

A House of Pancakes? Everything's stacked against it.

I haven't sausage a witty reply in a while..

re: #251 Killgore Trout

Protestants go to jail. Muslims and ___, let the church handle it.

re: #250 cbinflux

re: #238 Oh no...Sand People!

Yeah, all very hush-hush. They're also sometimes involved in ~ shunning enforcement.

Red Ties: Not just for business takeovers anymore.

/Stay tuned for Nazarenes. But after a swim.

Red ties...I thought I knew it all. Hmm. After I file down the horns that are in my forehead so as to not attract attention, I guess I will have to look into the 'Red Tie's' one as well.

This stuff makes my day!:) If you got anymore I would LOVE to hear it!

E C Marm is correct , so long as the criminal Catholic priests are white males, the MSM will slam the story. Homosexuality is de-emphasised, the Catholic church is demonized. The MSM gets a twofer.

I welcome Mormons in our fight against the night terror that is Islam. But I will say this once and shut up—I agree with re: #240 song_and_dance_man. Same religion. Same source. Different methods. And pray for me a poor sinner.

re: #253 goodbye_natalie

Just because there's a few bad apples...

re: #244 zombie

What someone needs to do is declare themselves a minority, even if they aren't a minority. Then the law will necessarily disintegrate, as we will get into Nazi-like "proving someone's racial identity" to deny them rights, which is patently unconstitutional.

Agreed.

I also think it's a little premature to start hyperventilating about minorities becoming majorities and continuing to try to stick it to Whitey. I'm sure there are zero lawyers in this country who would be interested in making a nice paycheck off a discrimination suit.

#244 Zombie

Ah, okay. Ha Ha! Yeah, how many heads would explode from that exercise? I wonder if they would require DNA tests to look for ethnic genetic markers? I would imagine that a large number of "white" Americans have ancestors who were non-white.

#261 Sharmuta

I was thinking the same thing. I think that whites are now a minority here in California, can we now claim minority status and rights? I think we would be laughed out of the state.

re: #259 David IV of Georgia

I welcome Mormons in our fight against the night terror that is Islam. But I will say this once and shut up—I agree with re: #240 song_and_dance_man. Same religion. Same source. Different methods. And pray for me a poor sinner.

Hmm. I welcome Mormons in our fight against Islam, yet they are the same as the people we are fighting...

I got to get this book your pastor is handing out...

You read the Book of Mormon? No? Scared of the "magic" spell it will put on you? "My pastor said..."

Hell, it's two thousand Fricking seven and you are in 7th century superstition mode...wow.

Mohammed? Joseph Smith? SAME SOURCE?! Same methods. I ain't about to cut your head off. Same Source? KORAN? BOOK OF MORMON? I bet you haven't read EITHER. Just speaking the drivel your pay-check-protecting pastor wants you to believe without taking any time or initiative to find out for yourself. I

re: #264 caliredst8r

Bet a lawyer wouldn't laugh at you. The shoe will be on the other foot and the lawyers will get a second chance to cash in on race relations.

#251 Killgore Trout
Thank you for some links. I knew more than a few priests that were involved in the initial scandal. People who I - as a convert (I admit, it was so that my wife could have the candlelight Friday night service she had always dreamed of) from a Protestant denomination, told her not to be in the same room alone with.
But notice now, the immediate police involvement. The immediate parental involvement. There was a time when the word of a Priest would be taken over the word of a child. The child would be beaten for even saying such a thing. But the first case (I'll take them one at a time till I run out of time) I would assume with a 16 year old boy is not a pedophile. It appears to me to be more of a consensual homosexual relationship. You couldn't pay me enough money to do what that 16 year old did. Which the priest should be locked up for the rest of his life for participating in. I don't agree with not allowing priests to marry. It is a practice rooted in a 1,000 year old worry over property rights. But the sad truth is, nuns and priests are disappearing in this country. That first article really makes me sick.

On topic, completely: an anonymous commenter on my blog, not registered here, asked me to post his following words:

I actually attended a lecture of the current museum-director. It appears that the museum could do well without the multicultural money, but that the only problem was that the visitor-numbers were decreasing. So no real problem there.
This current director is by the way an absolute nitwit, who's constantly talking in full of shit managingnewsspeak. In that fasion he even dares to defend him using mistery guests on his volunteer-staaf. This in order to check if they are telling objective (not specific christian) story's as they guide the people past all the biblical settings.

Good night, all.

#263 song_and_dance_man 8/26/2007 4:05:45 pm

When the heathen hear from our mouth the oracles of God, they wonder at their beauty and greatness; afterwards, when they find that our deeds are unworthy of the words which we speak, they turn from their wonder to blasphemy, saying that it is a myth and delusion.

II Clement 13:3: The Apostolic Fathers, Vol. 1, trans. Kirsopp Lake, Loeb Classical Library, Harvard Press, Vol. 24, Cambridge, 1998, p. 149.

This was written in Rome in the first century A.D. Some things haven't changed much.

re: #240 song_and_dance_man

re: #198 cbinflux

re: #186 song_and_dance_man

However, point OBVIOUS similarities, and one had better be wearing Mormon underwear.

/How's that for Equal Opportunity Fun-Poking?

This will NOT be popular and I may be ignored for keying it, but Mormons are Islam-Lite.

When was the last time a Mormon beheaded anyone, or mutilated his daughter's genitals, or strapped on a bomb, or kidnapped a journalist, or called for the destruction of America or Israel? I am not a Mormon, but the many I have known have been good people, albeit different.

re: #268 ec marm

I think Catholics should be more outraged that the rest of us. My mom is furious that all the money she donated to her church over the years went to pay sex abuse victims. She's still Catholic but doesn't donate or participate in Church functions any more. Catholics should be at the forefront of showcasing what their preisthood is doing and demand change.

#267 Sharmuta

Hmm, perhaps. I have a feeling tho that they would lose a lot of money from the inevitable charges of racism, calls for boycotts and calls for action by the California Bar Association. I doubt that La Raza and others would look too kindly on anyone who represented a group that doesn't meet their racial standards. What's their motto again? Have they changed it now that they are the majority? I don't think they will be as scrupulous about our rights as we were about theirs.