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Islamist Wins Turkish Presidency

Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 9:45:16 am PDT

Very bad news from Turkey, but not unexpected: Former Islamist wins Turkish presidency.

(I’d like to know what a “former” Islamist is, besides another example of media mendacity.)

ANKARA, Turkey - A devout Muslim with a background in political Islam won the Turkish presidency on Tuesday, in a major triumph for the Islamic-rooted government after months of confrontation with the secular establishment.

Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul received a majority of 339 votes in a parliamentary ballot and took the oath of office, pledging impartiality and loyalty to Turkey’s historic separation of religion and politics. Commanders from the fiercely secular military were conspicuously absent — a decision many saw as a symbolic protest against the decision to elect a president to a post traditionally held by a secular figure.

“Secularism — one of the main principles of our republic — is a precondition for social peace as much as it is a liberating model for different lifestyles,” Gul said. “As long as I am in office, I will embrace all our citizens without any bias. I will preserve my impartiality with the greatest of care.”

Gul’s victory took place a day after the military, which has ousted four governments since 1960, issued a stern warning about the threat to secularism. Gul’s initial bid for president was blocked over fears that he planned to dilute secular traditions.

“Our nation has been watching the behavior of those separatists who can’t embrace Turkey’s unitary nature, and centers of evil that systematically try to corrode the secular nature of the Turkish Republic,” Gen. Yasar Buyukanit, chief of the military, said in a note on the military’s Web site Monday.

Will there be a military coup? It wouldn’t be the first time.

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1 cookielady  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:46:47am

The dominoes continue to fall.

2 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:46:49am

Let's talk Turkey.

3 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:47:12am

And FREE KURDISTAN!

4 Black Belt in Gymkata  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:47:37am

Hmm, maybe the "Islamists" is a Turkey pro soccer team? Or an all boy band from the early '90s?

5 RTLM  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:47:46am

Let's grease the skids for Turk EU membership now...
/

6 daledog  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:48:08am

Former islamist: better educated in the art of lying and deception. A tie and coat don't hurt either.

7 blutonazi98  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:48:08am

Will there be a military coup?

is it bad to say lets hope?

8 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:48:15am

I usually translate a former Islamist as an Islamist who's no longer breathing.

9 markx  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:48:30am
...a devout Muslim ...

Well, that is an interesting way to put it.

10 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:48:40am

Counting down to a military coup.

Look on the bright side, a coup will kill two birds with one stone: no islamist rule, and Turkey doesn't join the EU.

11 cookielady  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:48:48am

There must be some way to block the continuing march of Islam across the world! There must be!

Actually, there is, but the weenies won't let us do it. It's just too distressing to face the truth about what is happening and what the only real solution is, so we go bumbling on hoping for decency from people who have none.

I'm going to go throw up now.

12 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:48:55am
13 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:49:20am
“Our nation has been watching the behavior of those separatists who can’t embrace Turkey’s unitary nature, and centers of evil that systematically try to corrode the secular nature of the Turkish Republic,” Gen. Yasar Buyukanit, chief of the military,

I like the way he talks.

14 Pickle  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:49:21am

This is good news for those concerned about Turkish entry into the EU. Hopefully the choice of Turks to embrace medievalism convinces Europeans once and for all that Turkey is not a part of western civilization, and that their society will never be compatible with it as long as its political system is polluted by Islamism.

15 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:49:39am

re: #7 blutonazi98

Will there be a military coup?

is it bad to say lets hope?

Military leaders have mentioned the possibility before, but we are assured now that it was only satire and we were too stupid to get it.

16 BrianA  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:50:03am

What makes him a former Islamist? Isn't that punishable by death?

17 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:50:29am
Will there be a military coup? It wouldn’t be the first time.


Last time I checked they have a coup about every ten years or so. My guess is yes. I'd be interested to hear what baconeatingkaffir has to say.

18 Spenser (with an S)  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:50:33am

The only "former Islamist" would be an apostate, right? I would ask how dumb they think we are but, unfortunately, they're right.

19 daledog  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:51:26am

re: #14 Pickle

... polluted ...

Excellent word choice. I have already adopted it as my own.

20 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:51:30am

re: #18 Spenser (with an S)

The only "former Islamist" would be an apostate, right?

Or a dead one. We need more former Islamists!

21 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:51:54am

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Will there be a military coup? It wouldn’t be the first time.

Last time I checked they have a coup about every ten years or so. My guess is yes. I'd be interested to hear what baconeatingkaffir has to say.

GMTA.

22 zombie  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:52:18am

re: #10 Dianna

Look on the bright side, a coup will kill two birds with one stone: no islamist rule, and Turkey doesn't join the EU.

Maybe we can get real lucky and break that sucka up: give the southeast back to the Kurds to make a new Kurdistan; give the west coast back to Greece; and give the northeast back to the Armenians.

Everyone's happy!

23 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:52:25am

The Gul Guillotine

Bye bye Turkey.

24 Tumulus11  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:52:33am

. Formerly 'secular' Turkey embraces the darkness.

25 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:52:34am

Drum's of getting loud now

...Bush: Iran must halt Iraq actions 'at once'... Developing

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...] ..What time is the speech..anyone know?

26 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:53:10am

re: #11 cookielady

There must be some way to block the continuing march of Islam across the world! There must be!

There is, lock the MSM and all Lefty Democrates in their parents basements so they can't get out and undermine the war effort anymore. I wonder what they would do instead down there?

27 zombie  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:53:27am

Oh, and give back northern Turkey to allow the creation of an independent Cyprus, while we're at it!

28 zombie  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:53:43am

northern Turkey = northern Cyprus

Ooops!

29 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:54:15am

re: #25 storagemanager

Drum's of war getting loud now

...Bush: Iran must halt Iraq actions 'at once'... Developing

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...] ..What time is the speech..anyone know?

PIMF

30 rokbassist  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:54:40am

This may be a good thing - now with a potential Islamic republic right at the footsteps of Europe, maybe the Euroweenies will start to really wake up - especially when you consider that Germany and France are awash in Turks.

31 rabidsquirrel  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:54:45am
A devout Muslim with a background in political Islam

As if there's such a thing as 'apolitical islam'.

32 jcm  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:54:46am

Islamonazis to EU.
NO TURKEY FOR YOU!

33 sngnsgt  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:56:10am

I'd compare being a “former Islamist" to being "almost" or "just a little bit" pregnant.

34 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:56:36am

This just in we are "Running out of poor people"

35 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:58:00am

re: #34 rab3


Was listening the Mark Levin last night.

He read a column that showed how the poor in the US is better of than most "average" income earners in Europe.

But Euro peasants drink wine, so they're culutred.

36 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:58:42am

re: #22 zombie

It's a thought.

37 maddogg  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:58:52am
“Secularism — one of the main principles of our republic — is a precondition for social peace as much as it is a liberating model for different lifestyles,” Gul said. “As long as I am in office, I will embrace all our citizens without any bias. I will preserve my impartiality with the greatest of care.”

And, you know he means it...

38 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:59:20am

re: #23 Ben Hur

The Gul Guillotine

Bye bye Turkey.

Well, I'll be durned. That's some good shootin'.

39 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:59:40am

I'll bet that if there is a military coup that the mooonbats will flip out 'cause we all know that any military is filled with knuckle-dragging bullies who want to stomp out freedom.

40 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 9:59:51am

Cyprus for Turks!

Kurdistan for Turks!

EU for Turks!

Anyone else like the movie Turk182?

41 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:00:53am

re: #38 bikermailman


Right.

Like it takes a commando ninja in Navy Seal gear to take out a friggin turkey.

42 wanumba  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:01:09am
A devout Muslim with a background in political Islam


"a background in political Islam ..."
It's like delivering Valium via the print word.

43 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:01:26am

re: #35 Ben Hur

re: #34 rab3


Was listening the Mark Levin last night.

He read a column that showed how the poor in the US is better of than most "average" income earners in Europe.

But Euro peasants drink wine, so they're culutred.

Let's here is for 35 hour work weeks and mandatory 4 weeks vacation. Buddy can you spare a dime Euro.

44 Pim's Ghost  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:01:41am

Ugh...this is not good, but it is no worse than what's been happening. I think that the Kemalists can pull it back together.

45 zombie  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:02:06am

Ahhh, today's a good day: just found out I've been linked at

Power Line
Hugh Hewitt

as well as (from last night)

Instapundit
Michelle Malkin
LGF (of course)
...and a zillion others.

The hilarious part is, all the "stats" packages on my site are broken, so I have no idea how many visitors I'm getting! Must be pushing the six figures range. But the hamsters seems to be performing well, so I can relax.

46 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:02:16am

re: #30 rokbassist

This may be a good thing - now with a potential Islamic republic right at the footsteps of Europe, maybe the Euroweenies will start to really wake up - especially when you consider that Germany and France are awash in Turks.

You meant to put a NOT or a SARC in there, right? I mean...c'mon... It's a good thought, and would that it were true, but...I'm guessing it won't happen.

47 Catttt  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:02:31am

If I were in the Turkish government and leaning non-secular or separatist, I'd take what Gen. Yasar Buyukanit says very VERY seriously. Historically, they've meant it, and they are fierce and disciplined.

I've always been glad that the Turks are in NATO (e.g., allies).

48 inkling  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:02:40am

The Army is essentially the CTRL-ALT-DEL of Turkish Politics. (I hope they take care of business prior to the Islamist Blue Screen of Death.)

49 daledog  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:02:41am

re: #27 zombie

As a youngster I saw the movie Midnight Express. I was way too young to be allowed to see this. (At my cousin's house while the adults were away). This nightmarish movie scared the crap out of me and to this day I am still affected it. I'm an islamophobe and turkophobe from way back. Anything to diminish Turkey's influence in the region could only be a good thing.

50 Ceemack  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:03:12am

This should just about mark the end of Turkey's hopes for EU membership, at least for the foreseeable future.

Unless, of course, the leadership of the EU is completely devoid of common sense...

--Snicker--

51 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:03:35am
“Our nation has been watching the behavior of those separatists who can’t embrace Turkey’s unitary nature, and centers of evil that systematically try to corrode the secular nature of the Turkish Republic,” Gen. Yasar Buyukanit, chief of the military, said in a note on the military’s Web site Monday.


Translation: Kurdish heads will roll.

Other Than interesting news.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad warned Tuesday that a power vacuum is imminent in Iraq and said that Iran was ready to help fill the gap.
"The political power of the occupiers is collapsing rapidly," Ahmadinejad said at a press conference in Tehran, referring to US troops in Iraq. "Soon, we will see a huge power vacuum in the region. Of course, we are prepared to fill the gap, with the help of neighbors and regional friends like Saudi Arabia, and with the help of the Iraqi nation."


Translation: Resistance is futile, you will be absorbed, purple fingers will be removed..

52 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:03:50am

Lets give this new Turkish President some time.

He may surprise us in positive way.

53 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:04:07am

re: #40 Ben Hur

Cyprus for Turks!

Kurdistan for Turks!

EU for Turks!

Anyone else like the movie Turk182?

I enjoyed Turk182, though I haven't seen it in ages.

I give it 2.5 stars.

54 Infidelsalwayswin  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:04:20am

re: #32 jcm

Islamonazis to EU.
NO TURKEY FOR YOU!

That's a relief; it'd've caused no end of problems and no gains whatsoever.

55 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:05:18am

re: #32 jcm

Islamonazis to EU.
NO TURKEY FOR YOU!

Haven't I read somewhere recently that the left, or the islamonazis, or someone equally as nutzoid...wait...that pretty much tops the list...hmmm...anyway, one of their representatives was whining about how Christians eating turkey or ham at Christmas was something cooked up to be 'racist' toward the moooslims?

56 Sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:05:47am

Labor Day fireworks. Hope they run it on TV. If they go jihad, we need to kick their asses out of NATO and let their jets rust.

Former Islamist + Devout Muz.= A man that has been purposely groomed, polished, and had his background sanitized for a position of command and influence. Plausible alibis for any past and future terrorist activities. Knows where enough bodies are buried to keep his job and his safety, but doesn't know enough real details to accidentally give away his masters.

Kinda reminds me of Shrillary, without the devout part.

57 Mike McDaniel  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:06:31am

It's sad, in a way.

Kemal Ataturk and his successors have worked for nearly 80 years to turn Turkey into a modern state...and every time you think they finally did it, things break down.

58 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:06:46am

re: #45 zombie

Ahhh, today's a good day: just found out I've been linked at

Power Line
Hugh Hewitt

as well as (from last night)

Instapundit
Michelle Malkin
LGF (of course)
...and a zillion others.

The hilarious part is, allthe "stats" packages on my site are broken, so I have no idea how many visitorsI'm getting! Must be pushing the six figures range. But the hamsters seemsto be performing well, so I can relax.

The ultimate good news/bad news. You know there's an avalanche, yet don't know the numbers.

I'd be pulling my hair out.

Still, more good news than bad I suppose, as it's a tribute to your great work.

59 ec marm  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:06:56am

Anyone else here remember when the U.S. installed missiles in Turkey aimed at Russia?

In 1961, the U.S. deployed 15 Jupiter IRBMs (intermediate-range ballistic missiles) at Izmir, Turkey, aimed at the western USSR's cities, including Moscow. Given its 1,500-mile range, Moscow was only 16 minutes away.


While the article doesn't explicitly mentioned nukes, it's a safe bet they were. The response from the Russians? Now known as the Cuban Missile crisis. While JFK was okay in some areas, in 20/20 hindsight it sure does look like a dumb thing to do. I won't forget that time. Inexperience in foreign affairs took us to the brink of an all-out nuclear exchange. Barak Hussein Obama, you listening?

60 Sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:07:22am

re: #45 zombie

1 here. You are really haulin' the mail Buddy!

61 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:07:23am

re: #45 zombie

Congratulations!

62 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:07:24am
Breaking News >> President Bush Speaks at the 89th American Legion Convention: Watch Live

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

63 bulwrk  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:09:03am

Well this should make them a shoe in for membership in the EU.


/

64 Canadastani  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:09:08am

OK, so a politician referred to as a "former Islamist" by the press, a moderate Muslim activist, the Easter Bunny, and Hillary Clinton are playing cards...

Who wins the pot?

65 maddogg  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:09:15am

re: #41 Ben Hur

re: #38 bikermailman


Right.

Like it takes a commando ninja in Navy Seal gear to take out a friggin turkey.


I got some news for ya Ben, to take a turkey with a bow is one of the hardest things you can do. Only the best (or very lucky)hunters will be able to pull it off, and then not reliably. Give it a try:)

66 Catttt  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:09:42am

re: #45 zombie

Ahhh, today's a good day: just found out I've been linked at

Power Line
Hugh Hewitt

as well as (from last night)

Instapundit
Michelle Malkin
LGF (of course)
...and a zillion others.

The hilarious part is, all the "stats" packages on my site are broken, so I have no idea how many visitors I'm getting! Must be pushing the six figures range. But the hamsters seems to be performing well, so I can relax.

Thanks from humble moi. I now understand what the heck is going on with that trial.

67 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:10:39am

re: #64 Canadastani

OK, so a politician referred to as a "former Islamist" by the press, a moderate Muslim activist, the Easter Bunny, and Hillary Clinton are playing cards...

Who wins the pot?

No one. Hillary's husband inhaled it.

68 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:10:51am
AP: The United Transportation Union is endorsing Hillary Clinton for president, the first national union endorsement in the '08 race

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

69 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:11:04am

re: #40 Ben Hur

Cyprus for Turks!

Kurdistan for Turks!

EU for Turks!

Anyone else like the movie Turk182?

Did Blink 182 do the soundtrack?

70 opnion  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:11:23am

I remember reading that te Tukish military is infected with Islamists.
It looks like senior officers cling to secularism.
The best be careful. When Iran became an islamic Republic senior military officers were executed.
I know that coups sound bad, but...

71 hayseed  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:11:40am

re: #28 zombie

Zombie..what was your connection to the DK's? just a hint

72 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:11:48am

re: #41 Ben Hur

re: #38 bikermailman


Right.

Like it takes a commando ninja in Navy Seal gear to take out a friggin turkey.

An arrow through the neck? I'm just sayin'.

73 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:13:09am

Turkish Delight.

NGREDIENTS:

* 4 cups granulated sugarInfidel.
* 1 1/4 cups cornstarchFertilizer bomb.
* 1 teaspoon cream of tartarmartyred insurgent
* 4 1/4 cups waterMolotov cocktail.
* 1 tablespoon lemon Brain juice squeezed from your decapitated head
* 1 1/2 tablespoons rosewater. Because we like the smell. We are not savages you know.
* 1 cup confectioners sugar Daughter dispatched in honor killing.
* Vegetable oil or shortening. You will cook better when your all greased up.

74 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:13:37am

re: #45 zombie

Where's your tip jar?

75 Grondy  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:13:42am
“Our nation has been watching the behavior of those separatists who can’t embrace Turkey’s unitary nature, and centers of evil that systematically try to corrode the secular nature of the Turkish Republic,” Gen. Yasar Buyukanit, chief of the military, said in a note on the military’s Web site Monday.

Aren't separatists supposed to be people who want to be separate from the government? Don't these Islamists want to run the government?

76 Sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:13:51am

re: #64 Canadastani

Hillary. The other two are mythical creatures.

77 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:14:18am

re: #67 JamesTKirk

re: #64 Canadastani


OK, so a politician referred to as a "former Islamist" by the press, a moderate Muslim activist, the Easter Bunny, and Hillary Clinton are playing cards...

Who wins the pot?


No one. Hillary's husband inhaled it.

But...but...I thought he just puffed to look cool and score.

78 jcm  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:15:13am

zombie is going BIG TIME!

79 Sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:15:29am

re: #65 maddogg

re: #41 Ben Hur

re: #38 bikermailman


Right.

Like it takes a commando ninja in Navy Seal gear to take out a friggin turkey.


I got some news for ya Ben, to take a turkey with a bow is one of the hardest things you can do. Only the best (or very lucky)hunters will be able to pull it off, and then not reliably. Give it a try:)

Send in the Nuge!

80 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:15:31am

Maybe this idea of imposing Democracy on a people whose religious system doesn't permit democracy ins't a great idea.


Well, it has sort of worked in Turkey for a while. Be interesting to see if the former Ottoman rulers of Arabia eventually become servants of a Wahabbist caliphate centered in Arabia.

81 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:15:47am

re: #26 rab3

re: #11 cookielady


There must be some way to block the continuing march of Islam across the world! There must be!

There is, lock the MSM and all Lefty Democrates in their parents basements so they can't get out and undermine the war effort anymore. I wonder what they would do instead down there?

Undermommashouseous Inhabitus
Small, slimey creatures that dwell in conditions of artificial light and air. Their main diet consists of Cheetos, Kool-aid and Veggie burgers.

82 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:17:48am

re: #66 Cattt

re: #45 zombie


Ahhh, today's a good day: just found out I've been linked at

Power Line
Hugh Hewitt

as well as (from last night)

Instapundit
Michelle Malkin
LGF (of course)
...and a zillion others.

The hilarious part is, all the "stats" packages on my site are broken, so I have no idea how many visitors I'm getting! Must be pushing the six figures range. But the hamsters seems to be performing well, so I can relax.


Thanks from humble moi. I now understand what the heck is going on with that trial.

Thanks for the HT zombie - and I can certainly sympathize with your predicament. I guess you should be happy in knowing that you're spreading the message about that case.

83 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:18:19am

re: #49 daledog

re: #27 zombie

As a youngster I saw the movie Midnight Express. I was way too young to be allowed to see this. (At my cousin's house while the adults were away). This nightmarish movie scared the crap out of me and to this day I am still affected it. I'm an islamophobe and turkophobe from way back. Anything to diminish Turkey's influence in the region could only be a good thing.

I was 25 when I saw it and it made me completely ill.

84 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:18:21am

re: #75 Grondy

“Our nation has been watching the behavior of those separatists who can’t embrace Turkey’s unitary nature, and centers of evil that systematically try to corrode the secular nature of the Turkish Republic,” Gen. Yasar Buyukanit, chief of the military, said in a note on the military’s Web site Monday.

Aren't separatists supposed to be people who want to be separate from the government? Don't these Islamists want to run the government?

Separatists are the Kurds.
Centers of evil are the islamists.

The general wants to present the Armed Forces as defender of the unity of the state AND of the anti-islamist constitution.

85 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:18:28am

re: #81 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #26 rab3

re: #11 cookielady


There must be some way to block the continuing march of Islam across the world! There must be!


There is, lock the MSM and all Lefty Democrates in their parents basements so they can't get out and undermine the war effort anymore. I wonder what they would do instead down there?

Undermommashouseous Inhabitus
Small, slimey creatures that dwell in conditions of artificial light and air. Their main diet consists of Cheetos, Kool-aid and Veggie burgers.

You need to put that on a tee shirt and sell them. You'll make fortune just in effigy burnings alone.

86 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:19:38am

re: #78 jcm

zombie is going BIG TIME!

Zombie already WAS big time. Everyone else hadn't figgered it out just yet.

87 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:19:40am

re: #45 zombie

Ahhh, today's a good day: just found out I've been linked at

Power Line
Hugh Hewitt

as well as (from last night)

Instapundit
Michelle Malkin
LGF (of course)
...and a zillion others.

The hilarious part is, all the "stats" packages on my site are broken, so I have no idea how many visitors I'm getting! Must be pushing the six figures range. But the hamsters seems to be performing well, so I can relax.

Do you have a new photo shoot up?

88 gwlaw99  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:20:24am

According to Jackson Diel (for what its worth), this guy is not someone to really worry about.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

89 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:20:44am

re: #85 rab3

re: #81 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


re: #26 rab3

re: #11 cookielady

There must be some way to block the continuing march of Islam across the world! There must be!

There is, lock the MSM and all Lefty Democrates in their parents basements so they can't get out and undermine the war effort anymore. I wonder what they would do instead down there?

Undermommashouseous Inhabitus
Small, slimey creatures that dwell in conditions of artificial light and air. Their main diet consists of Cheetos, Kool-aid and Veggie burgers.

You need to put that on a tee shirt and sell them. You'll make fortune just in effigy burnings alone.


I'm considering doing a "Wiki" page on the breed. I adore good satire.

90 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:21:28am

re: #84 Poitiers-Lepanto

re: #75 Grondy


“Our nation has been watching the behavior of those separatists who can’t embrace Turkey’s unitary nature, and centers of evil that systematically try to corrode the secular nature of the Turkish Republic,” Gen. Yasar Buyukanit, chief of the military, said in a note on the military’s Web site Monday.

Aren't separatists supposed to be people who want to be separate from the government? Don't these Islamists want to run the government?

Separatists are the Kurds.
Centers of evil are the islamists.

The general wants to present the Armed Forces as defender of the unity of the state AND of the anti-islamist constitution.

I think this term of "seperatist" means those who want to seperate someones head from their body

91 NoSubmission  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:23:35am

'Ex-Islamist' my eye!
HEADSCARF IN THE PALACE

The secular elite and Turkey's generals, who have ousted four governments since 1960, are wary of Gul's Islamist past and alarmed at the prospect of a woman, his wife, wearing the Islamic headscarf in the Cankaya presidential palace.

The headscarf is for many a potent symbol of the religious influence that soldier-turned-politician Mustafa Kemal Ataturk banished from public life when he founded the modern, Western-style republic on the ruins of the Ottoman Empire.

"On this historic day his wife will not be at his side," said a headline in liberal daily Milliyet, reinforcing just how polarizing the issue of the headscarf is in Turkey.

92 Grondy  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:24:42am

re: #84 Poitiers-Lepanto

re: #75 Grondy

“Our nation has been watching the behavior of those separatists who can’t embrace Turkey’s unitary nature, and centers of evil that systematically try to corrode the secular nature of the Turkish Republic,” Gen. Yasar Buyukanit, chief of the military, said in a note on the military’s Web site Monday.

Aren't separatists supposed to be people who want to be separate from the government? Don't these Islamists want to run the government?

Separatists are the Kurds.
Centers of evil are the islamists.

The general wants to present the Armed Forces as defender of the unity of the state AND of the anti-islamist constitution.

That makes sense. I remember when we invaded Iraq, they kept offering to "help us out" with the Kurds in Iraq.

93 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:26:20am

re: #89 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I'm considering doing a "Wiki" page on the breed. I adore good satire.

Nice. Let us know when you get it finished. You write good stuff, and I love both satire in general, and anything that tweaks the left and islamists. BTW, did you see that the HuffPoo writer who wanted a military coup NOW claims that it was 'just satire'. Uh huh. I've been reading satire since high school. Enjoy satire. My friend, your piece (of garbage) was no satire.

94 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:26:28am
Gul made a second bid for the top job after his first attempt in April was blocked by an army-backed secularist campaign that sparked a political crisis, and forced early general elections July 22.

Erdogan's Islamist-rooted Justice and Development Party won a landslide victory in the polls, and a second five-year mandate.

Outgoing President Ahmet Necdet Sezer, a staunch secularist who has often clashed with the AKP government, declined to approve the new cabinet earlier this month, in what Erdogan described as a "gesture" to the new president.

"In the days ahead, our task will be to take our country forward, shoulder-to-shoulder, in solidarity," he said.

Gul will be sworn in later Tuesday.

95 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:26:38am

re: #88 gwlaw99

According to Jackson Diel (for what its worth), this guy is not someone to really worry about.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Did they run it by their secular employees for their reaction?

96 Grondy  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:27:40am

re: #90 Eowyn2

I think this term of "seperatist" means those who want to seperate someones head from their body


That's the western media's meaning of "separatist". =D

(Thus my confusion, this guy isn't working for the AP, or AFP...)

97 traveler  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:27:44am

re: #42 wanumba

It's like delivering Valium via the print word.

Brilliant description of the swill administered to the masses by the lockstep media.

98 Cry of defiance and not of fear  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:28:45am

This election may indeed be a wake-up call, but not for Europeans alone. Several European countries have problematic Moslem enclaves, unwilling to integrate, and their presence within, and Turkey's 'islamists' without, could produce a pincer movement that might hasten civil strife between Moslems and Europe's natives.

99 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:29:04am

re: #92 Grondy

That makes sense. I remember when we invaded Iraq, they kept offering to "help us out" with the Kurds in Iraq.

That, and they wouldn't let us fly over their airspace, nor stage from our bases there. Totally changed our strategery, IIRC.

100 ec marm  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:29:10am

re: #45 zombie
The interesting thing (If the MSM happens to be eavesdropping) is how much traffic a story that they have NO interest in reporting, is generating. Their bias/agenda is costing them. Maybe they give a damn, maybe they don't. I guess they'll keep on cutting the size of their layout, the staff size, the print run, without addressing the root cause. Meanwhile, good for you!

101 BulgarWheat  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:32:46am

An Islamist has become President of Turkey...

Guess the Kurds are screwed...

dinnerjacket is talking like he's got the bomb...

I think I am going to need a strong drink later on.

102 zombie  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:34:55am

re: #71 hayseed

re: #28 zombie

Zombie..what was your connection to the DK's? just a hint

I shall never say!

Possibly because there is no connection. But I leave the option open, to confuse people.

103 zombie  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:36:12am

re: #74 bikermailman

re: #45 zombie

Where's your tip jar?

I ain't got one.

It's just my philosophy.

No ads, no tip jar, nothing for sale.

The information stream must be pure and untainted.

104 pat  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:36:59am

And this Islamist was endorsed by most major EU MSM.

105 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:37:39am

re: #103 zombie

re: #74 bikermailman


re: #45 zombie

Where's your tip jar?


I ain't got one.

It's just my philosophy.

No ads, no tip jar, nothing for sale.

The information stream must be pure and untainted.


You are one of kind...thank you for all you do.

106 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:38:23am

re: #103 zombie

zombie-congrats on another fantastic episode...I really admire the way you make time for this stuff, in addition to whatever non-zombie life you lead. KOL HAKAVOD (Heb: More power to ya...)

107 zombie  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:39:01am

re: #87 Eowyn2

Do you have a new photo shoot up?

Yup. It was last night's dead thread here on LGF, for one.

108 J.S.  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:39:46am

re: #75 Grondy

hmmm...how shall I explain this...The Turks don't like "minorities". The Turkish constitution does not recognize a whole host of "minorities" -- the policy has been to try to make them Turks (including Kurds -- that's "Let's Make Kurds Turks" -- so this means denying Kurds the right to speak Kurdish, outlaw the recognition of Kurdish customs, etc, etc.). Turkey's treatment of "minorities" has been a major sticking point with respect to Turkey's entrance into the EU. (Some times the Turks have also conducted pogroms -- murdering/suppressing/arresting members of certain minorities -- such as the Alevis -- they're a kind of Shiite group in Turkey.) all these minority groups are considered evil "separatists" who want to tear Turkey apart.

Other points to consider:
1) The army back in 2003 also threatened a coup (but didn't take place).
2) From Deusche Welle cable, I hear that Turks who like America is at an all time low. Why is this? It's because there are terrorists in iraq (that's in northern, Kurdish Iraq) who keep stirring up trouble in Turkey. Yet the U.S. government says nothing against the Kurdish terrorists. This angers Turks.
3) The Islamist President can appoint judges, along with military people. It's this power of making appointments to key positions which is most worrisome. (gradually Turkey will become increasingly Islamist, less and less secular.)
4) I really wonder about the liklihood of a coup...(don't rely on one).

109 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:40:36am

re: #103 zombie

Congratulations, zombie!

And, while I admire your stance, I'd still love to contribute, since I can't take a decent picture anyway.

110 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:40:46am

A fan speaks...

Castro says Clinton, Obama would make winning team


Published: 08.28.07, 20:20 / Israel News

Ailing Cuban leader Fidel Castro is tipping Democratic candidates Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama to team up and win the US Presidential election.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

111 Hard Right  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:40:47am

I'd support a coup in this case.

112 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:40:50am

re: #84 Poitiers-Lepanto

Turkey is such a complicated nation/issue. On the one hand, it is a 'good guy' ally for Israel in the region-but that come at a moral price of not condemning the Armenian genocide. But it is hot spot for Islamism. Then there are the Turks and the Greeks in Cyprus-oh my oh my...

113 Hucbald  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:41:44am

Gul Ducat will never beat Picard.

114 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:42:03am

re: #65 maddogg

My dad hit one with his car a few months back.

115 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:42:36am

re: #103 zombie

Have you checked out your Wiki page? I just looked it up and I don't know quite what to make of it.

116 docremulac  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:43:44am

Media-speak dictionary:

When writing about Christians describe them as "evangelical".

When writing about "Muslims" describe them as "devout".

117 jimmytheclaw  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:44:02am

In Pharmacology, all drugs have two names, a trade name and generic name. For example, the trade name of Tylenol also has a generic name of Acetaminophen. Aleve is also called Naproxen. Amoxil is also called Amoxicillin and Advil is also called Ibuprofen.

The FDA has been looking for a generic name for Viagra. After careful consideration by a team of government experts, it recently announced that it has settled on the generic name of Mycoxafloppin. Also considered were Mycoxafailin, Mydixadrupin, Mydixarizin, Dixafix, and of course, Ibepokin.

Pfizer Corp. announced today that Viagra will soon be available in liquid form, and will be marketed by Pepsi Cola as a power beverage suitable for use as a mixer. It will now be possible for a man to literally pour himself a stiff one. Obviously we can no longer call this a soft drink, and it gives new meaning to the names of "cocktails", "highballs" and just a good old-fashioned "stiff drink". Pepsi will market the new concoction by the name of: MOUNT & DO.

Thought for the day: There is more money being spent on breast implants and Viagra today than on Alzheimer's research. This means that by 2040, there should be a large elderly population with perky boobs and huge erections and absolutely no recollection of what to do with them.

118 El matamoros  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:44:13am

re: #49 daledog
you think that is bad? ONce i didnt talk to my dad for 6 months because of an incident involving Turkey. Waay back in 1999 i had deeply studied the yogoslavian war and lay al the blame where it belonged with turkey and islam. if they hadnt tried to islamisize the whole region for the last 500 years this war wouldnt have happened. I also went ballistic when we Bombed Kosovo, we were literally doing the terrorists work for them! so anyway he decided to take his wife to turkey for a vacation and i objected a lot. i gave him the whole rap about "midnight express" and of course about the fall of constantinople, yes, that is how i convice someone to not take a vacation, i talk about a battle 500 years ago :P so then i mentioned how the muslims have been attacking europe and all that jazz. this was in 1999 and it just was'nt registering with him. SO anyway the argument got really heated and i didnt talk to him for 6 months over it.
But in the end there was great vindication. one day after 9-11 we were all driving in a car and then we start talking about current events and of course terrorism comes up, then he says to me, " you were the first person who warned me about this but i didnt listen." i just said " yeah thats the story of my life"

119 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:46:05am

re: #118 El matamoros

I hope you have forgiven your Dad completely. It was good of him to admit that HE wasn't listening.

120 zombie  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:46:17am

re: #100 ec marm

re: #45 zombie
The interesting thing (If the MSM happens to be eavesdropping) is how much traffic a story that they have NO interest in reporting, is generating. Their bias/agenda is costing them. Maybe they give a damn, maybe they don't. I guess they'll keep on cutting the size of their layout, the staff size, the print run, without addressing the root cause.

Yeah, it's amazing that they allow themselves to be scooped.

I actually have some insight into the traffic at some of these newspaper's Web sites. In some instances, it is shockingly low. LGF get vastly more readers that 95% of newspapers in America -- probably 98%. Only a few big-city major papers get any attention. (The usual suspects.) I was privy to the visitors stats at one California paper (can't say which one) and was shocked/pleased/astounded to see that even zombietime was getting triple or quadruple their traffic! (This was back when my stats packages worked.) And to think that this paper had dozens and dozens of paid staffers getting full-time salaries. And all that combined was less effective at "reaching people" than the part-time hobby of one person.

Made me convinced more than ever that the Oldstream Media is dead.

121 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:46:18am
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said here Tuesday that any action against the Iranian nation will be given proper response.

"I consider it unlikely if the US takes any such illogical and illegal action because the measure would turn into a joke worldwide.

I have not heard any such claim raised officially by the US administration," said President Ahmadinejad.

The president pointed to rift in the US administration concerning Iran's case and said, "We think there is a rift in the US: Some wish to solve problem logically and some others, whose arms manufacturing plants have gone bankrupt, want to escalate tension worldwide. The second group wants to foil efforts of the first one." On Iran's relations with the neighboring states, President Ahmadinejad said Tehran's ties with the Persian Gulf littoral states are friendly.

"Today, our volume of commercial transactions with the UAE is more than 11 billion dollars. Our relationship with officials of the country is cordial and friendly. Moreover, we have good relations with Qatar, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain."
He went on to say that Iraqi occupiers do not favor unity among regional nations and want to pit them against one another so as to continue their presence in Iraq.

[Link: www2.irna.com...]

123 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:46:36am

re: #117 jimmytheclaw

Dang. That's hilarious. Raging elderly erections.

124 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:48:18am

100-year-old celebrates her birthday by smoking 170,000th cigarette

And there are people who die of lung cancer that have never smoked.

Go figure.

125 equable  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:48:31am

In other news (off topic), Nancy Grace gets owned in a way that is legendary.

Hope this cheers up those who are having a lousy day.

126 Hard Right  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:48:32am

re: #110 storagemanager

A fan speaks...

Castro says Clinton, Obama would make winning team
Published: 08.28.07, 20:20 / Israel News

Ailing Cuban leader Fidel Castro is tipping Democratic candidates Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama to team up and win the US Presidential election.


[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Assuming Castro is even alive...

127 cookielady  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:49:57am

re: #117 jimmytheclaw

What kind of dumb thing was this to post here?

Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy... tsk.

128 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:50:06am

re: #122 Ben Hur

EXCLUSIVE: Top Muslim Brotherhood/HAMAS Official Infiltrated NASA, Now Iraqi Ambassador to Japan; ICE/DoJ Ties

Wow...oh man...

With the help of private investigator Bill Warner (who's done a great deal of ground-breaking investigations of Islamic terrorism), I've confirmed that the phone number listed is that of Dr. Ghanim Al-Jumaily.

That's significant because Al-Jumaily worked at the highest levels of NASA as a jet propulsion engineer working on the Mars Rover and in that capacity had high-level security clearances and access to classified information. And he's now Iraq's Ambassador to Japan, a post he's held since late 2004.

129 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:52:13am

re: #103 zombie

re: #74 bikermailman


re: #45 zombie

Where's your tip jar?


I ain't got one.

It's just my philosophy.

No ads, no tip jar, nothing for sale.

The information stream must be pure and untainted.

Well, sheesh! Whaddaryah...some kinda hippie commie? j/k Thanks for all the work you do, it is both journalistically informative and riotously entertaining.

130 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:52:57am

re: #122 Ben Hur
This makes the head spin...

But Al-Jumaily didn't just carry out fundraising for the Brotherhood and aid Saddam Hussein. He helped spread propaganda and gain access to top public officials. Under Al-Jumaily's direction, LIFE spokesman Mohammed Alomari wrote a book alleging the United States was created by the Jews as a Zionist plot. His website claimed Jews and the U.S. "organized" the 9/11 attacks. And Al-Jumaily had access to government officials at the highest levels. Top FBI, ICE and Justice Department officials repeatedly broke pita with him.
131 zombie  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:53:36am

re: #106 WriterMom

I really admire the way you make time for this stuff, in addition to whatever non-zombie life you lead.

Therein lies the rub! The more zombie-ing I do, the more my "real life" suffers. Yet if I walk away from the computer, get my life back in order -- no new zombietime reports.

A dilemma! There are only 24 hours in a day, unfortunately.

What's the most frustrating is that I can't tell anyone that I know in "meat space" what i'm doing. So, it's always like, after I pull an all-nighter putting up a zombietime report,

"Man, I'm tired!"
"Didn't sleep last night?"
"No, not really."
"Why not?"
"Uhhh...I was...ummm...I was at a bestiality orgy!"
(Always a safe, acceptable explanation around here.)
"Hey, me too! That kangaroo was something, hunh?"

132 zombie  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:56:41am

re: #115 MandyManners

re: #103 zombie

Have you checked out your Wiki page? I just looked it up and I don't know quite what to make of it.

Yeah, there are a few aspects about it that I don't like, but I don't know how to edit wikipedia pages, and so far no one's stepped up to the plate to make any changes! So what's there (partly written by moonbats) stays there.

Eh. What're ya gonna do.

133 hayseed  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:56:49am

re: #131 zombie

maybe some day when all is cool you can do a tell all book.

134 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:56:59am

re: #113 Hucbald

Gul Ducat will never beat Picard.

"There...are...four...lights!"

/I know, I know, that one was Gul Madred, but that was one of my favorite episodes, and your comment reminded me of it.

135 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:57:42am
Will there be a military coup? It wouldn’t be the first time.

The great thing about Turkey's military is that they are charged (I believe under their constitution) with maintaining a separation of church and state. It's a job the military takes seriously.

If the Islamists even push a little toward Sharia, then the bullets will start flying.

136 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:57:53am

I don't usually like military coups, but it looks like the Turkish military is the only guardian of their democracy.

137 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:57:53am

re: #127 cookielady

re: #117 jimmytheclaw

What kind of dumb thing was this to post here?

Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy... tsk.

Ibpoking my eyes out thanks for the visual.

138 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:58:29am
Bush warns of 'holocaust' if Iran gets nukes
US President George W. Bush warned Tuesday that letting Iran acquire atomic weapons risked putting the Middle East "under the shadow of a nuclear holocaust."

"Iran's active pursuit of technology that could lead to nuclear weapons threatens to put a region already known for instability and violence under the shadow of a nuclear holocaust," he told a veterans group here

[Link: www.africasia.com...]

139 siiras  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:58:40am

The dominoes are all going over in the wrong direction.

The brainwashed cult that is Islam is like a black blob sliming its way into countries with previously secular governments and replacing free thinking humane citizens with robotic fanatics who vote (once) to voluntarily don Muslim religious shackles and give up democracy in favor of sharia-diktat.

140 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:59:22am

re: #131 zombie

GA!

ROFL!

zom-busy people always have time...I start my days at 5:30, and have the kids plus the day job and any lizard activism that I can fit in as well. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

141 Spenser (with an S)  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:59:37am

re: #131 zombie


"Man, I'm tired!"
"Didn't sleep last night?"
"No, not really."
"Why not?"
"Uhhh...I was...ummm...I was at a bestiality orgy!"
(Always a safe, acceptable explanation around here.)
"Hey, me too! That kangaroo was something, hunh?"

OK, now my brain automatically tries to use this info to guess once again at your gender.

142 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:59:41am

re: #8 JammieWearingFool

LOL. I agree.

143 uptight  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 10:59:59am

For what it's worth, here's his remarks about Israel.

A short while ago I paid a visit to Israel and Palestine. And as I have seen there as well, there is still an optimistic climate. And I believe that if the suicide attacks by the Palestinians and the killings by the Israelis come to an end, then I believe it will be possible for a mutual understanding on the issue by both sides, and already there is such an understanding.

link

144 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:00:20am
The United States has 90 guns for every 100 citizens, making it the most heavily armed society in the world, a report released on Tuesday said

GOOD! [Link: today.reuters.com...]

145 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:00:22am

re: #138 storagemanager


Alleged holocaust.

146 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:00:51am

Here's something about Turkey-speaking of Turkey.

Jews = Bacteria.

147 Lauraf  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:01:21am

OT, but

If Ahmadinejad isn't lying, does this mean it is already too late?

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

148 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:01:25am

re: #144 storagemanager

The United States has 90 guns for every 100 citizens, making it the most heavily armed most free society in the world, a report released on Tuesday said

GOOD! [Link: today.reuters.com...]
149 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:02:00am

re: #11 cookielady

I'm going to go throw up now.

Toss your cookies? ;-)

150 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:02:15am
151 Sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:02:40am

re: #134 bikermailman

re: #113 Hucbald

Gul Ducat will never beat Picard.

"There...are...four...lights!"

/I know, I know, that one was Gul Madred, but that was one of my favorite episodes, and your comment reminded me of it.

You never see Gul Ducat and Raz Al Gul in the same room together...

152 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:02:45am

re: #145 Ben Hur

re: #138 storagemanager


Alleged holocaust.

Hey storemanager your not Chad Vader are you?

153 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:02:54am

re: #107 zombie

re: #87 Eowyn2


Do you have a new photo shoot up?

Yup. It was last night's dead thread here on LGF, for one.


I'll be back.

Malkin led me to LGF, LGF to Gates of Vienna; Zombie; Urban Infidel and so many more (even Kos)
thanks Michelle, Charles, Zombie, and lizards around the world

154 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:03:00am

re: #145 Ben Hur

So true. With the fucking Persian Nazis the ultimate nutcase framework is 'we're gonna do another Holocaust to the Jews that never really happened, but that also simultaneously led to the creation of the Zionazi state'. Just like the 9/11 hijackers. Muslim public opinion-they were really, really, really not Muslims-but rather Mossad agents-EXCEPT for when we have them on posters, identifying them as the GLORIOUS 19.

155 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:03:12am

re: #145 Ben Hur

re: #138 storagemanager


Alleged holocaust.

Can't wait Ahmadinejad to answer that...lol

156 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:03:41am

re: #152 rab3

re: #145 Ben Hur


re: #138 storagemanager


Alleged holocaust.


Hey storemanager your not Chad Vader are you?


No

157 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:04:01am

Good news:

We have more guns than anybody.

A lot more.

158 pat  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:05:30am

The actual statement
[Link: www.africasia.com...]

159 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:05:42am

Let's all keep savage and his family in our thoughts and prayers today. His dad's being operated on.

160 Mr Spiffy  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:06:12am

re: #40 Ben Hur

One of my favorites
Could be the Irish in me
or the fantastically well-planned "socio-terrorism" committed by Hutton.

161 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:06:23am

re: #159 MandyManners

Let's all keep savage and his family in our thoughts and prayers today. His dad's being operated on.

Will do.

162 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:06:46am

I will watch the Whitehouse page for the speech...it takes a couple hours.

163 Gordon  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:07:14am

Some context on this story that Charles has omitted:

Turkey was a notoriously mis-governed country under the secular regimes in place from the 1970's on. Corruption was rampant. The police force as brutal, corrupt, and prone to torture. Kurds were violently suppressed, being forbidden to even speak their own language. The economy was mismanaged, resulting in spotty economic growth, high inflation, and lost opportunities. And overt displays of Muslim piety were strongly suppressed - which is fine if you think Islam is an unredeemable scourge, but imagine thke response in this country if the wearing of yarmulkes were banned, or a fundamentalist Christian President was deposed by a military coup. Secular governments were notoriously jingoistic in foreign affairs, invading Cyprus in 1974 for example.

Under the current Islamic party, economic policy has resulted in strong and sustained economic growth, with a great reduction in inflation. Corruption has greatly diminished - in line with the fact that local governments in Islamic hands were run cleanly, efficiently, and most interestingly, fairly toward all. Repression of Kurds has diminished, although the recent resurgence of the PKK has threatened this development.

The most recent political crisis is a sign of how different Turkey's government is from the garden variety Middle Eastern theocracy. When the current government nominated Mr. Gul and the outrage and military threats commenced, the government decided that this matter should be tested in an election. The results were very favorable for the government, and now it has fulfilled its mandate and elected President Gul.

What now? The first term of the current government led to a great improvement in Turkish economic and political freedoms. The government was rewarded with an even larger mandate. I suppose the government coujld do a 180 and start acting like Hamas, but this is highly unlikely. In fact, this government has strengthened Turkish democacy and made the rule of law more paramount in the nation. The gains Turkey have made will serve it well whether or not it joins the EU, a prospect becoming less likely every year. And the Turkish government may now be strong enough to resist the call of the (secular) generals to invade northern Iraq and mess things up thoroughly there.

As soon as the discredited secular opposition unites and presents a cogent program for the country I'm sure it will provide a strong opposition for the government, and will likely win future elections. Turkey is not in danger, despite the hysteria expressed in this thread.

164 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:07:27am

re: #120 zombie

Made me convinced more than ever that the Oldstream Media is dead.

Not dead, exactly, but dying, certainly. In a similar way that the Roman Empire was, on the surface, alive and thriving for hundreds of years, to the contemporary eye, yet through the prism of history, we see that it was rotten at the core, and was being eaten away from the perimeter by the 'barbarians'. To the average, Idol watching American, or the Useful Idiot™ leftist, the MSM looks solid as the Empire did back in the day. Through the historian's eye (zombie's time travelling trick - hey! maybe THAT'S she/he/it's trick - zombie's ability to see the media in a way most of us can't), it is dying, just as suredly as the Empire was.

165 albusteve  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:07:46am

re: #114 Ben Hur

does he use a compound or a recurve?...just askin

166 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:08:09am

re: #131 zombie

"Uhhh...I was...ummm...I was at a bestiality orgy!"

What happens to all the trendy animal rights activists?
Where's PETA?

This is exploitation of innocent animals!

167 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:08:52am

re: #163 Gordon
Out of his rat hole to denfend Islam...its Captain Ahab!

168 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:09:15am

re: #157 JammieWearingFool

Good news:

We have more guns than anybody.

A lot more.

270 million firearms for 300 million people ?
We are 30 millions short of optimum !

:-)

169 Lumpy  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:09:39am
170 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:10:02am

re: #163 Gordon

Corruption has greatly diminished

Yes removing peoples heads really will diminish the Corruption. Don't go ostrich on us.

171 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:10:36am

Nodrog Speaks


re: #163 Gordon

Some context on this story that Charles has omitted:

Turkey was a notoriously mis-governed country under the secular regimes in place from the 1970's on. Corruption was rampant. The police force as brutal, corrupt, and prone to torture. Kurds were violently suppressed, being forbidden to even speak their own language. The economy was mismanaged, resulting in spotty economic growth, high inflation, and lost opportunities. And overt displays of Muslim piety were strongly suppressed - which is fine if you think Islam is an unredeemable scourge, but imagine thke response in this country if the wearing of yarmulkes were banned, or a fundamentalist Christian President was deposed by a military coup. Secular governments were notoriously jingoistic in foreign affairs, invading Cyprus in 1974 for example.

Under the current Islamic party, economic policy has resulted in strong and sustained economic growth, with a great reduction in inflation. Corruption has greatly diminished - in line with the fact that local governments in Islamic hands were run cleanly, efficiently, and most interestingly, fairly toward all. Repression of Kurds has diminished, although the recent resurgence of the PKK has threatened this development.

The most recent political crisis is a sign of how different Turkey's government is from the garden variety Middle Eastern theocracy. When the current government nominated Mr. Gul and the outrage and military threats commenced, the government decided that this matter should be tested in an election. The results were very favorable for the government, and now it has fulfilled its mandate and elected President Gul.

What now? The first term of the current government led to a great improvement in Turkish economic and political freedoms. The government was rewarded with an even larger mandate. I suppose the government coujld do a 180 and start acting like Hamas, but this is highly unlikely. In fact, this government has strengthened Turkish democacy and made the rule of law more paramount in the nation. The gains Turkey have made will serve it well whether or not it joins the EU, a prospect becoming less likely every year. And the Turkish government may now be strong enough to resist the call of the (secular) generals to invade northern Iraq and mess things up thoroughly there.

As soon as the discredited secular opposition unites and presents a cogent program for the country I'm sure it will provide a strong opposition for the government, and will likely win future elections. Turkey is not in danger, despite the hysteria expressed in this thread.

172 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:10:52am

re: #170 rab3

re: #163 Gordon

Corruption has greatly diminished

Yes removing peoples heads really will diminish the Corruption. Don't go ostrich on us.


Don't forget removing hands and eyes.

173 Sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:11:44am

re: #167 storagemanager

re: #163 Gordon
Out of his rat hole to denfend Islam...its Captain Ahab!

Looks like we must be over the target again.

174 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:11:57am

Re: 163

I smell a cut-n-paste job.

175 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:12:02am

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Will there be a military coup? It wouldn’t be the first time.


Last time I checked they have a coup about every ten years or so. My guess is yes. I'd be interested to hear what baconeatingkaffir has to say.

Conventional wisdom says yes- there well might be a military coup. However, there is another theory gaining support---the military may well decide to throw in with the Islamics to gain a continued favored and prestige life in Turkey. For example with America being driven out of Iraq ( if you believe the demosurrender crowd will soon be in power ) it may better to throw your lot in with the victors!

176 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:12:21am
US President George W Bush said Tuesday that withdrawing US forces would allow the Middle East to be taken over by extremist forces and put the security of the United States in jeopardy.

"I want our fellow citizens to consider what would happen if these forces of radicalism and extremism were allowed to drive us out of the Middle East... The region would be dramatically transformed in a way that could imperil the civilized world," said Bush

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

177 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:12:22am

re: #107 zombie

re: #87 Eowyn2


Do you have a new photo shoot up?

Yup. It was last night's dead thread here on LGF, for one.

thats not a new page, thats a fricking book.

178 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:13:05am

The true and unique Nodrog !
And the message is always the same:
Tout va bien, Madame la Marquise.
Everything is OK, no problem, there is no islamic threat.

OK, everybody back to sleep.

179 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:13:06am

re: #176 storagemanager

see 175

180 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:13:12am

re: #163 Gordon

Corruption has greatly diminished - in line with the fact that local governments in Islamic hands were run cleanly, efficiently, and most interestingly, fairly toward all.


Allahu Ackbar!

181 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:13:13am

re: #125 equable

In other news (off topic), Nancy Grace gets owned in a way that is legendary.

[Link: youtube.com...]

Hope this cheers up those who are having a lousy day.

I wasn't having a bad day, but thank you anyway!

182 wanumba  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:13:17am

Well, that's a relief. Guess all those million Turks demonstrating against insiduous radical Islamic take over of their governance didn't know what they were thinking!

183 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:13:39am

re: #131 zombie

At which point, one becomes really creative?

184 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:15:02am

re: #172 storagemanager

re: #170 rab3

re: #163 Gordon

Corruption has greatly diminished

Yes removing peoples heads really will diminish the Corruption. Don't go ostrich on us.


Don't forget removing hands and eyes.

Prison cells make great places to unite and present a cogent program for the country.

185 BulgarWheat  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:15:11am

#141 Spenser (with an S)

With all of the Al Reuters and KosKidz/DU trolls lurking about, Zombies ability to not let any info out is crucial.

Zombie must remain unknow.

It's in our best interest.

186 arrebat  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:15:26am

the military have to act now, the more they wait the more difficult it will be to eradicate this islamists. Atatur must be turning in his tomb.

187 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:15:46am

Sharia=Order.

How many of your rights would you sacrifice?

188 Sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:15:46am

re: #180 Killgore Trout

And pass the machete!

189 ec marm  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:15:59am

re: #17 Killgore Trout

I'd be interested to hear what baconeatingkaffir has to say.

Link, here, on this mornings DT. I'm surprised a certain word got past the filter.

190 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:16:14am

re: #131 zombie

re: #106 WriterMom


I really admire the way you make time for this stuff, in addition to whatever non-zombie life you lead.

Therein lies the rub! The more zombie-ing I do, the more my "real life" suffers. Yet if I walk away from the computer, get my life back in order -- no new zombietime reports.

A dilemma! There are only 24 hours in a day, unfortunately.

What's the most frustrating is that I can't tell anyone that I know in "meat space" what i'm doing. So, it's always like, after I pull an all-nighter putting up a zombietime report,

"Man, I'm tired!"
"Didn't sleep last night?"
"No, not really."
"Why not?"
"Uhhh...I was...ummm...I was at a bestiality orgy!"
(Always a safe, acceptable explanation around here.)
"Hey, me too! That kangaroo was something, hunh?"

Perhaps you could use this as your excuse?

191 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:16:16am
US President George W Bush has warned Iran to stop supporting the militants fighting against the US in Iraq.
In a speech to US war veterans in Reno, Nevada, Mr Bush renewed charges that Tehran has provided training and weapons for extremists in Iraq.

"The Iranian regime must halt these actions," he said.

Earlier, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad warned that US authority in the region was rapidly collapsing, and Iran would help fill the void


War is close. [Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

192 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:16:24am

Gordon's back?!

193 BulgarWheat  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:16:30am

unknown---mega PIMF

194 ec marm  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:17:04am

"But the trains run on time," Gordon wrote.

195 BulgarWheat  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:17:42am

#194 ec marm

Nodrog would have made such a fine Nazi.

196 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:18:14am
Mr Bush hit back, accusing Iran's Revolutionary Guards of funding and arming insurgents in Iraq.

And he said Iran's leaders could not avoid some responsibility for attacks on coalition troops and Iraqi civilians.

He said he had authorised US commanders in Iraq to take action to confront what he called Iran's murderous activities there.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

197 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:18:47am

GORDON!

Way to make an entrance. LOL. You know-Hamas is running the trains on time in Gaza, Shitistan too.

198 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:19:06am

re: #174 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Re: 163

I smell a cut-n-paste job.

I'm not sure about that. Look at the second sentence. There be a letter missing.

199 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:19:20am

Hitler ended unemployment.

200 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:19:22am

re: #163 nodroG

Wow, just like when Chavez came to power in Venezuela! Freedom and democracy!

201 wanumba  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:19:33am

re: #173 Sifty

Out of his rat hole to defend Islam...its Captain Ahab!

Looks like we must be over the target again


Isn't it uncanny? Ya never know which are the Left's No. 1 issues until a some topic goes up and then the usual suspects suddenly appear. Bellweather threads? Maybe we can rank them by number of trolls and mobys - no trolls, no Left interest. Swarms = Left sore spots.

202 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:20:09am

And when it comes, the libs will be the first to go.

Or at least all the things they like doing.

203 BulgarWheat  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:20:40am

#197 WriterMom

Uhh, they actually don't have any trains, running or even sitting still. Or their own power plants. Or currency.

They have goats, RPGs, and AK-47's though (Along with -grinding my teeth- a shit load of M-16's)

204 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:23:17am

re: #198 MandyManners

re: #174 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Re: 163

I smell a cut-n-paste job.

I'm not sure about that. Look at the second sentence. There be a letter missing.

He make up stuff so well. Good catch.

205 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:24:44am

re: #185 BulgarWheat

#141 Spenser (with an S)

With all of the Al Reuters and KosKidz/DU trolls lurking about, Zombies ability to not let any info out is crucial.

Zombie must remain unknow.

It's in our best interest.

I fully agree, but it's fun to speculate/have fun with it.

206 R.A.D. Dad  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:24:47am

OT:

Technical question...is anyone else having problems with their LGF live bookmark? Mine is not listing the most recent LGF stories, the ones that came after "The Most Secure Place in the World" are gone. I'm using Firefox for a browser. I've never seen this happen before. I've tried reloading the live bookmark several times, still only has the older stories pop up in the list.

207 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:25:00am
Palestinian sources in Gaza reported Tuesday that a blast was heard near the Ansar compound, west of Gaza City.

According the sources, bystanders claimed the explosion was a result of an Israel Air Force missile hit. The compound was the Palestinian security forces' headquarters before Hamas took over the Strip.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

208 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:25:50am

Pet spider kills its owner

A MAN who lived in his own “zoo” of lizards and insects was fatally bitten by a pet black widow spider — then eaten by the other creepy-crawlies.
Police broke in to Mark Voegel’s apartment to find spider Bettina along with 200 others, several snakes, a gecko lizard called Helmut and several thousand termites had gorged on his body.

Neighbours alerted police after becoming alarmed by the stink.

yummy.

209 maddogg  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:26:18am

re: #195 BulgarWheat

#194 ec marm

Nodrog would have made such a fine Nazi.

Sorry, but nodrog ain't got the stones to be a good Nazi.

210 BulgarWheat  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:27:06am

#205 bikermailman

Yeah, well I envision Zombie as BabbaZee's crime-fighting sidekick, spewing out Zionist hair-rays against the evil cult, exposing moonbats and pinko lefties,...but with a camera.

211 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:27:27am
Israeli Who Sold Poison Gas to Iran Denied Early Parole


(IsraelNN.com) On Tuesday the Israel Prisons Service Parole Board denied a request by former businessman and convicted traitor Nachum Manbar that his 16-year sentence be reduced by a third.

In 1997 Nachum Manbar was found guilty of treason for aiding an enemy making war on Israel and providing information intended to damage Israel's security. Manbar sold Iran $18 million worth of mustard gas and nerve gas, and technology for the construction of a factory to build missile warheads which could carry them. Prosecutor Dvorah Chen called it the most serious crime in Israeli history, and asked for a sentence of life in prison. But the Tel Aviv District Court sentenced Manbar to 16 years


[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

212 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:27:52am

re: #187 Ben Hur

Sharia=Order

How many of your rights would you sacrifice?

Sharia=Order=Third Riech=Marxist Five Year Plan=Leftists' removal of any and all risk from life.

They all promise the same thing, and all give you the same thing.

213 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:28:08am

re: #208 Ben Hur

Oh, shit. I predict my skin will quit crawling in about three hours. *shudder*

214 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:28:11am

Just don't tell her that it's her soft porn that makes them love our culture so much.

[Link: www.people.com...]

215 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:28:25am

re: #195 BulgarWheat

I think that is harsh.

216 BulgarWheat  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:28:36am

#209 maddogg

It didn't take "stones" to become a Nazi. All it took was blind obedience.

I gotta disagree with you here.

217 Sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:29:04am

re: #201 wanumba

We are very predictable creatures after all. Seems like every time some serious threat arises that could end the peace and prosperity of Western Civilization, our way of life, our American values, or make us slaves of the caliphate we come out of the woodwork.
You would think that after a while we'd get tired of manning the parapet and go back to sleep.

When the muz and the kooks put a toe over the line the trolls know where and when to find us.

Just like we know where to look when the Cheetos and patchouli are missing.

218 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:29:53am

re: #163 Gordon

OK, lets take a whole look at this:

Secular governments were notoriously jingoistic in foreign affairs, invading Cyprus in 1974 for example.

Notorious? Except for UN Missions and Cyprus, the Turkish army hasn't been involved in jingoistic adventures, including staying out of WWII.
Short History of the Turkish Armed Forces

Under the current Islamic party, economic policy has resulted in strong and sustained economic growth, with a great reduction in inflation.

This is true, however to attempt to paint the current Islamic party as some sort of economic savior is just plain wrong. Turkey, once it recovered from the ravages of WWI has been consistently robust economically. Despite periodic economic disruptions, since the 1980s, Turkey's economy has alternated steady expansion and economic setback.

Turkey's economy recovered remarkably once hostilities ceased. From 1923 to 1926, agricultural output rose by 87 percent, as agricultural production returned to prewar levels.
Turkey's impressive economic performance in the 1980s won high marks from Wall Street's credit-rating agencies.

The Economic History of Turkey

As soon as the discredited secular opposition unites and presents a cogent program for the country I'm sure it will provide a strong opposition for the government, and will likely win future elections. Turkey is not in danger, despite the hysteria expressed in this thread.

I have to agree with this conclusion, although totally disagree that this thread was hysteria-laced.
The Turkish Army won't let things slip off the deep end. And neither will LGF.

Of course, hysteria is in the eye and all that.

219 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:31:11am

re: #208 Ben Hur

Pet spider kills its owner


A MAN who lived in his own “zoo” of lizards and insects was fatally bitten by a pet black widow spider — then eaten by the other creepy-crawlies.
Police broke in to Mark Voegel’s apartment to find spider Bettina along with 200 others, several snakes, a gecko lizard called Helmut and several thousand termites had gorged on his body.

Neighbours alerted police after becoming alarmed by the stink.


yummy.

Darwin in effect.

220 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:31:33am

re: #219 bikermailman

Moron in effect.

221 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:32:44am

re: #210 BulgarWheat

#205 bikermailman

Yeah, well I envision Zombie as BabbaZee's crime-fighting sidekick, spewing out Zionist hair-rays against the evil cult, exposing moonbats and pinko lefties,...but with a camera.

WARNING! WARNING! SPEW ALERT! WARNING! WARNING!

222 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:33:02am
223 bulwrk  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:33:22am

re: #214 Ben Hur

God forbid she visits our troops while in Iraq you know the ones that pay to see her crappy movies.

224 Sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:33:45am

re: #220 Ben Hur

re: #219 bikermailman

Moron in effect.

It's quite rare when a single news story can capture every phobia in my pea brain all at once.


If this guy worked as a clown I'm outa here!

225 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:34:26am

re: #122 Ben Hur

EXCLUSIVE: Top Muslim Brotherhood/HAMAS Official Infiltrated NASA, Now Iraqi Ambassador to Japan; ICE/DoJ Ties


That's extremely interesting. I live close enough to walk to the lab. Have not been able to find a link that I don't have to pay for but I recall reading something about the lab employees and contractors bitching because they have to go through retroactive background checks. Unbelievable that NASA hasn't been doing this all along.

226 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:36:02am

re: #225 Pvt Bin Jammin


Because there's a Russian, Japanese, Scottish, White American, African American, etc etc on Star Trek.

227 Sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:36:16am

re: #214 Ben Hur

Just don't tell her that it's her soft porn that makes them love our culture so much.

[Link: www.people.com...]

Does the train start with Army or Marines?
Which brigade is gonna be first in line?
Are the M.A.S.H. units ready with the extra penicillin?


/evil

228 NoSubmission  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:36:53am

re: #214 Ben Hur

Just don't tell her that it's her soft porn that makes them love our culture so much.

[Link: www.people.com...]


Typical. She meets our troops privately because, heaven forbid, she should be viewed as pro-troops. Instead she picks photo ops for the wires with refugees who probably never heard of her. Lucky them.

229 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:37:02am

re: #132 zombie

re: #115 MandyManners


re: #103 zombie

Have you checked out your Wiki page? I just looked it up and I don't know quite what to make of it.


Yeah, there are a few aspects about it that I don't like, but I don't know how to edit wikipedia pages, and so far no one's stepped up to the plate to make any changes! So what's there (partly written by moonbats) stays there.

Eh. What're ya gonna do.

Click the "Edit This Page" tab at the top of the page. Then edit to your heart's content.

230 beblebrox  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:38:10am

re: #208 Ben Hur

Pet spider kills its owner

A MAN who lived in his own “zoo” of lizards and insects was fatally bitten by a pet black widow spider — then eaten by the other creepy-crawlies.
Police broke in to Mark Voegel’s apartment to find spider Bettina along with 200 others, several snakes, a gecko lizard called Helmut and several thousand termites had gorged on his body.

Neighbours alerted police after becoming alarmed by the stink.

yummy.

Great! Now as i spend the rest of the day freaking out and jumping at everything i think i see out of the corner of my eye. the air conditioner fluttering the back of my shirt is even making me jump. i keep thinking something is crawing up my back.

Thanks a lot

231 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:38:20am

I guess Gordon's on lockdown.

232 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:38:33am

re: #224 Sifty

My nightmare is a tornado dropping an 18-wheeler full of spiders on my front lawn.

233 Ceemack  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:39:15am

re: #89 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #85 rab3


re: #81 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #26 rab3

re: #11 cookielady

There must be some way to block the continuing march of Islam across the world! There must be!

There is, lock the MSM and all Lefty Democrates in their parents basements so they can't get out and undermine the war effort anymore. I wonder what they would do instead down there?

Undermommashouseous Inhabitus
Small, slimey creatures that dwell in conditions of artificial light and air. Their main diet consists of Cheetos, Kool-aid and Veggie burgers.

You need to put that on a tee shirt and sell them. You'll make fortune just in effigy burnings alone.

I'm considering doing a "Wiki" page on the breed. I adore good satire.

But according to Martin Lewis, none of us are smart enough to recognize or appreciate really good satire.

234 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:39:15am

re: #192 MandyManners

Gordon's back?!

It would appear so.

I missed Gordon in an odd, perverse sort of way. Gordon is a somewhat thinking Troll...(perhaps we could call him a Goblin?) in that he attempts to inject some intelligence into a thread. It's just cherry picked from Wikipedia intelligence.

235 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:39:35am

re: #231 Ben Hur

I guess Gordon's on lockdown.

And, pumped full of Thorazine.

236 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:39:40am

re: #208 Ben Hur

Pet spider kills its owner


A MAN who lived in his own “zoo” of lizards and insects was fatally bitten by a pet black widow spider — then eaten by the other creepy-crawlies.
Police broke in to Mark Voegel’s apartment to find spider Bettina along with 200 others, several snakes, a gecko lizard called Helmut and several thousand termites had gorged on his body.

Neighbours alerted police after becoming alarmed by the stink.


yummy.

What a dope.

237 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:39:41am

re: #232 MandyManners

re: #224 Sifty

My nightmare is a tornado dropping an 18-wheeler full of spiders on my front lawn.

Now that would be a good movie.

238 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:40:42am

re: #235 MandyManners

Normally I ignore him, but it seemed like people were wondering where he was recently, then he hit and run.

239 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:40:45am

re: #234 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Gordon the Goblin. I like the alliteration.

240 Sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:40:47am

re: #232 MandyManners

re: #224 Sifty

My nightmare is a tornado dropping an 18-wheeler full of spiders on my front lawn.

Mine is a clown spider with a dentist's drill in one hand and a lawyer in the other.

241 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:41:31am

re: #214 Ben Hur

Just don't tell her that it's her soft porn that makes them love our culture so much.

"I have come to Syria and Iraq to help draw attention to the humanitarian crisis and to urge governments to increase their support for UNHCR and its partners," Jolie said in a statement.

Actually, she draws the most attention whenever she unleashes the publicity power of her exposed breasts. At least, that's the way 68% of guys at our local pub feel.

242 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:41:57am

re: #232 MandyManners

re: #224 Sifty

My nightmare is a tornado dropping an 18-wheeler full of spiders on my front lawn.

I ran across a black widow the other day. pulled off the sandal to smack it, and when I did, the container it was in shifted, spider flew off to the left, big ol' egg sac went dunno where.
/shrugs, didn't go barefoot out there for a while.

243 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:41:58am

re: #237 storagemanager

re: #232 MandyManners


re: #224 Sifty

My nightmare is a tornado dropping an 18-wheeler full of spiders on my front lawn.


Now that would be a good movie.

Better than motherfuckin' snakes on a plane!

244 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:42:03am

re: #231 Ben Hur

I guess Gordon's on lockdown.

His mom's got the computer back, and she's playing Solitaire.

245 AirForceWife  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:42:11am

#11 cookielady 8/28/2007 9:48:48 am

There must be some way to block the continuing march of Islam across the world! There must be!


Just goes to show ya. Too many people are living under the illusion that there can be a sustained secular society that has a significant population of Muslims. History has shown over and over that Islam is an expanisionist belief system. In places where they start out as a small percentage, a secular society can be sustained. As they grow in numbers however, they become more violent until they emass enough strength to imposs sharia law.

246 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:42:56am

re: #238 Ben Hur

re: #235 MandyManners

Normally I ignore him, but it seemed like people were wondering where he was recently, then he hit and run.

More like fling and flee.

247 Ceemack  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:42:58am

re: #168 Poitiers-Lepanto

re: #157 JammieWearingFool


Good news:

We have more guns than anybody.

A lot more.


270 million firearms for 300 million people ?
We are 30 millions short of optimum !

:-)

More than that...we each need a good rifle and a good sidearm.

248 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:42:59am

re: #225 Pvt Bin Jammin

Debbie Schlussel is just about as reliable as Debka or Mikey Moore.

249 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:43:20am

re: #234 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

It's just cherry picked from Wikipedia intelligence.

Sometimes in a time pinch, you gotta go Wiki.

Unless you need facts on GW Bush, Iraq War, Republicans, conservative, or anything political.

250 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:43:36am

re: #240 Sifty

re: #232 MandyManners


re: #224 Sifty

My nightmare is a tornado dropping an 18-wheeler full of spiders on my front lawn.


Mine is a clown spider with a dentist's drill in one hand and a lawyer in the other.


LOL...I fecking hate clowns.

My sister brought a clown marionette back from her honeymoon for one of my kids. I wouldn't let her keep it. I threw it away after cutting the strings and dismembering the creature.

Poltergeist is what did it. I even had a hard time eating steak after that movie.

251 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:43:37am

re: #235 MandyManners

re: #231 Ben Hur


I guess Gordon's on lockdown.

And, pumped full of Thorazine.

Does he look anything like this??

252 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:43:49am

re: #240 Sifty

re: #232 MandyManners

re: #224 Sifty

My nightmare is a tornado dropping an 18-wheeler full of spiders on my front lawn.

Mine is a clown spider with a dentist's drill in one hand and a lawyer in the other.

I am a Dentist--getting a complex-feeling suicidal---ha all you out there i hear the applause- not nice

253 AirForceWife  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:44:17am

As they grow in numbers however, they become more violent until they emass enough strength to imposs impose sharia law.

254 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:44:20am
Opposition leader MK Benjamin Netanyahu (Likud) visited Sderot Tuesday and commented on the city's security situation.

"The government failed to provide Sderot with security and the Qassams keep hitting the city... the government should resign and it will be replaced by a Likud-led government that will provide security," said Netanyahu.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

255 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:44:20am

re: #240 Sifty

re: #232 MandyManners


re: #224 Sifty

My nightmare is a tornado dropping an 18-wheeler full of spiders on my front lawn.


Mine is a clown spider with a dentist's drill in one hand and a lawyer in the other.

I've never understood the fear of clowns. Drills and attorneys, yes but, not the clowns.

257 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:45:17am

re: #246 MandyManners

re: #238 Ben Hur


re: #235 MandyManners

Normally I ignore him, but it seemed like people were wondering where he was recently, then he hit and run.


More like fling and flee.


Kind of like the chimps and poo.

258 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:45:23am

re: #242 bikermailman

A brown recluse brought down my grandfather.

The only good spider is a dead spider.

259 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:45:43am

re: #232 MandyManners

re: #224 Sifty

My nightmare is a tornado dropping an 18-wheeler full of spiders on my front lawn.

Reminds me, 17 years ago, this day, this very day of the week, my own wonderful tornado experience.

260 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:45:46am

re: #255 MandyManners

re: #240 Sifty

re: #232 MandyManners


re: #224 SiftyMy nightmare is a tornado dropping an 18-wheeler full of spiders on my front lawn.


Mine is a clown spider with a dentist's drill in one hand and a lawyer in the other.

I've never understood the fear of clowns. Drills and attorneys, yes but, not the clowns.

ouch- we dentists are taking a beating today!

261 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:45:52am

re: #257 bikermailman

Precisely! Like shit-slinging Hoopie.

262 Sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:46:01am

re: #252 Nevergiveup

re: #240 Sifty

re: #232 MandyManners

re: #224 Sifty

My nightmare is a tornado dropping an 18-wheeler full of spiders on my front lawn.

Mine is a clown spider with a dentist's drill in one hand and a lawyer in the other.

I am a Dentist--getting a complex-feeling suicidal---ha all you out there i hear the applause- not nice

Got nothing against you dentists, just the damn pieces of metal you insist on ramming into my jaw every few years. I like laughing gas and pretty dental assistants and muzak as much as the next guy.

263 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:46:33am

re: #241 mondoreb


Their is no humanitarian crisis in Iraq. Or Syria.

264 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:46:34am
Church of Nativity exiles may be granted reprieve


Militants exiled to Gaza, Europe, after 5-week takeover of famous Bethlehem church in 2002, may be allowed to return to West Bank, Palestinian sources say, citing Olmert-Abbas meeting


Sick...is this the way to fight terrorist? [Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

265 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:46:35am

re: #255 MandyManners

re: #240 Sifty


re: #232 MandyManners

re: #224 Sifty
My nightmare is a tornado dropping an 18-wheeler full of spiders on my front lawn.

Mine is a clown spider with a dentist's drill in one hand and a lawyer in the other.

I've never understood the fear of clowns. Drills and attorneys, yes but, not the clowns.

Their faces are evil looking. Those wide, carmine smiles on pasty white faces. ~shiver~

266 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:46:50am

"There" might be a better choice.

267 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:47:06am

re: #251 bikermailman

re: #235 MandyManners


re: #231 Ben Hur

I guess Gordon's on lockdown.

And, pumped full of Thorazine.

Does he look anything like this??

Pudgier.

268 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:47:27am

re: #256 SeafoodGumbo

Israel offers Palestinians control of Temple Mount
Prime minister's office today presents formal plan placing Judaism's holiest site under Arab authority

/drive-by posting

No details--who will control the area under the temple mount?

269 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:47:36am

re: #246 MandyManners

re: #238 Ben Hur

re: #235 MandyManners

Normally I ignore him, but it seemed like people were wondering where he was recently, then he hit and run.

More like fling and flee.

More like fling and flee Gordon was in a Band.

270 Sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:47:58am

re: #265 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I think it's a Gacy thing for me. That and they are just creepy lookin.

271 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:48:02am

re: #259 Honorary Yooper

They're worse than hurricanes.

272 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:48:02am

re: #260 Nevergiveup

re: #255 MandyManners


re: #240 Sifty

re: #232 MandyManners

re: #224 SiftyMy nightmare is a tornado dropping an 18-wheeler full of spiders on my front lawn.

Mine is a clown spider with a dentist's drill in one hand and a lawyer in the other.

I've never understood the fear of clowns. Drills and attorneys, yes but, not the clowns.

ouch- we dentists are taking a beating today!


Not to be morbid or anything, but is it true that dentists have a high suicide rate compared to other professions?

273 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:48:05am

re: #242 bikermailman

re: #232 MandyManners


re: #224 Sifty

My nightmare is a tornado dropping an 18-wheeler full of spiders on my front lawn.


I ran across a black widow the other day. pulled off the sandal to smack it, and when I did, the container it was in shifted, spider flew off to the left, big ol' egg sac went dunno where.
/shrugs, didn't go barefoot out there for a while.

When I was a kid, on one of my many summer visits at the grandparents', I got in my grandfather's car to go "up town" (up to town) with him. A black widow crawled up on his knee, so he brushed it off on the floorboard, and stomped on it. He said, "I've been stung by them before". I was in awe.

274 Sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:49:07am

re: #272 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I tried to ask one once, but he jumped out the window without answering.

275 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:49:25am

re: #274 Sifty

re: #272 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I tried to ask one once, but he jumped out the window without answering.


ROTFLMAO

276 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:49:40am

re: #260 Nevergiveup

The bands around my rear teeth ruined them. I have crowns and root canals gallore. I hate those freakin' needles. Drills are okay.

Just pass me the nitrous oxide and we'll get along okay.

277 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:49:43am

re: #250 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #240 Sifty


re: #232 MandyManners

re: #224 Sifty
My nightmare is a tornado dropping an 18-wheeler full of spiders on my front lawn.

Mine is a clown spider with a dentist's drill in one hand and a lawyer in the other.

LOL...I fecking hate clowns.

My sister brought a clown marionette back from her honeymoon for one of my kids. I wouldn't let her keep it. I threw it away after cutting the strings and dismembering the creature.

Poltergeist is what did it. I even had a hard time eating steak after that movie.

You would have just loooved It. Not the so-so tv mini series, but the book. That one scared the bejeebers out of me. I had just started working nights at a security job, 18 years old, empty mall, walk into the interior after a marketing event and see dozens of balloons with varying degrees of helium leakage floating at eye level after reading that book. Sheesh.

278 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:49:58am

re: #262 Sifty

re: #252 Nevergiveup

re: #240 Sifty

re: #232 MandyManners

re: #224 Sifty

My nightmare is a tornado dropping an 18-wheeler full of spiders on my front lawn.

Mine is a clown spider with a dentist's drill in one hand and a lawyer in the other.

I am a Dentist--getting a complex-feeling suicidal---ha all you out there i hear the applause- not nice

Got nothing against you dentists, just the damn pieces of metal you insist on ramming into my jaw every few years. I like laughing gas and pretty dental assistants and muzak as much as the next guy.

Now your statement could be construed as being homophobic by the lib left!

279 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:50:21am

re: #263 Ben Hur

Their is no humanitarian crisis in Iraq. Or Syria.

Oh, I know. I just thought it a good opportunity to shill for her breasts.

280 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:50:34am

re: #277 bikermailman

re: #250 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


re: #240 Sifty

re: #232 MandyManners

re: #224 Sifty
My nightmare is a tornado dropping an 18-wheeler full of spiders on my front lawn.

Mine is a clown spider with a dentist's drill in one hand and a lawyer in the other.

LOL...I fecking hate clowns.
My sister brought a clown marionette back from her honeymoon for one of my kids. I wouldn't let her keep it. I threw it away after cutting the strings and dismembering the creature.

Poltergeist is what did it. I even had a hard time eating steak after that movie.


You would have just loooved It. Not the so-so tv mini series, but the book. That one scared the bejeebers out of me. I had just started working nights at a security job, 18 years old, empty mall, walk into the interior after a marketing event and see dozens of balloons with varying degrees of helium leakage floating at eye level after reading that book. Sheesh.

I avoided It on purpose.

281 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:50:40am

re: #265 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

And, John Wayne Gacey.

282 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:51:08am

re: #252 Nevergiveup

re: #240 Sifty


re: #232 MandyManners

re: #224 Sifty

My nightmare is a tornado dropping an 18-wheeler full of spiders on my front lawn.


Mine is a clown spider with a dentist's drill in one hand and a lawyer in the other.

I am a Dentist--getting a complex-feeling suicidal---ha all you out there i hear the applause- not nice

I, for one, appreciate you guys. It's certainly not my favorite place to go, but I can hang, and it's a helluva lot better than living with the pain. Thanks!

283 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:51:12am

NBC’s Matt Lauer Calls Alberto Gonzales a 'Piñata'


Non-PC ethnic jokes are all the rage today.

284 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:51:26am

re: #226 Ben Hur
LOre: #122 Ben Hur

EXCLUSIVE: Top Muslim Brotherhood/HAMAS Official Infiltrated NASA, Now Iraqi Ambassador to Japan; ICE/DoJ Ties


Here's a link regarding the background checks:
[Link: www.sciencemag.org...]

285 GGMac  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:51:49am

OT

Can someone please tell me why it is that Fox news channel, the ABC syndicated radio talk shows - don't know about CNN or MSNBC - but why are these outlets having a gleeful orgy of humiliating that teenage pageant contestant from Georgia? The kid came across poorly with her answer, yeah, but why does that merit a binge of criticism and persecution by all these supposed "adults"?

No, I don't know her - but I sure do feel sorry for her. She was just shit out of luck to not have the PIMF button...

...the guy who got bitten, then eaten by his "pets"? That one's something else all together, and fair game. Do you suppose he ever called for help from his livestock to get a squish a person in his bathtub?

286 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:51:54am

re: #281 MandyManners

re: #265 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

And, John Wayne Gacey.

Him too. Not my favorite serial killer. That would be Ted Bundy followed by the Green River Killer.

287 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:52:08am

re: #279 mondoreb

re: #263 Ben Hur


Their is no humanitarian crisis in Iraq. Or Syria.

Oh, I know. I just thought it a good opportunity to shill for her breasts.


They've been shilled dry.

288 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:52:22am

re: #276 MandyManners

re: #260 Nevergiveup

The bands around my rear teeth ruined them. I have crowns and root canals gallore. I hate those freakin' needles. Drills are okay.

Just pass me the nitrous oxide and we'll get along okay.

Ok-sounds good to me--and when the times come you can pass me the ammo as the song says!

289 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:52:29am

re: #269 rab3

re: #246 MandyManners


re: #238 Ben Hur

re: #235 MandyManners

Normally I ignore him, but it seemed like people were wondering where he was recently, then he hit and run.


More like fling and flee.

More like fling and flee Gordon was in a Band.

With Hoopie!

290 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:53:12am
291 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:53:27am
292 Sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:53:33am

re: #278 Nevergiveup

But can they construe that as homophobic and still KISS MY ASS at the same time? Now that is the question.

I have never been homophobic. I have on occasion been flame-retardant, but everyone has their limits.

293 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:53:35am

re: #283 Ben Hur

NBC’s Matt Lauer Calls Alberto Gonzales a 'Pi?'


Non-PC ethnic jokes are all the rage today.


What's a "pi"? (besides the formula for figuring out the circumference of a circle)

294 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:53:41am

re: #283 Ben Hur

NBC’s Matt Lauer Calls Alberto Gonzales a 'Pi%uFFFD'
Non-PC ethnic jokes are all the rage today.

If Gonzales had been marching in LA with a Mexican flag protesting immigration restrictions, Liberals would be screaming for his head.

295 Spenser (with an S)  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:54:30am

re: #277 bikermailman

Holy Crap!, It was one scary book.

296 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:54:36am

re: #258 MandyManners

re: #242 bikermailman

A brown recluse brought down my grandfather.

The only good spider is a dead spider.

A few years ago, one of those had crawled into a mailbox during the fall, when it had gotten cool and rainy. Didn't realize I'd gotten bit till a couple of hours later, and it started swelling. Just a few days earlier, a nearby 13 year old who lived with Grandma got bitten, didn't tell her because they were poor, and he died.
/I went my butt to the dr.

297 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:55:03am

re: #283 Ben Hur

NBC’s Matt Lauer Calls Alberto Gonzales a 'Pi%uFFFD'


Non-PC ethnic jokes are all the rage today.

Lauer's not fit to lick Gonzales' boots.

298 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:55:12am

re: #287 Ben Hur

They've been shilled dry.

I can find no conflicting documentation to your observation.
ROTFLMAO.

299 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:55:32am

re: #292 Sifty

I guess it depends on far they can bend over?

300 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:55:39am

re: #293 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #283 Ben Hur


NBC’s Matt Lauer Calls Alberto Gonzales a 'Pi?'


Non-PC ethnic jokes are all the rage today.


What's a "pi"? (besides the formula for figuring out the circumference of a circle)


I don't know what happened there.

It was supposed to say "Pinata" with all the funny little accents.

301 Abu Bin Squid  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:55:46am

From Mandy's #225
I've never understood the fear of clowns.
Ever hear of John Wayne Gacy? I've always feared clowns. And democrats. (similar, I know)

302 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:55:52am

re: #248 Killgore Trout

re: #225 Pvt Bin Jammin

Debbie Schlussel is just about as reliable as Debka or Mikey Moore.


I realize that but it would be interesting to look into the matter.

303 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:56:54am

re: #300 Ben Hur

re: #293 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


re: #283 Ben Hur

NBC’s Matt Lauer Calls Alberto Gonzales a 'Pi?'
Non-PC ethnic jokes are all the rage today.

What's a "pi"? (besides the formula for figuring out the circumference of a circle)

I don't know what happened there.

It was supposed to say "Pinata" with all the funny little accents.

Ahhh.

Now I get it. Gonzales/Pinata.

That Matt Lauer is sooo clever!
/

304 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:56:59am

re: #285 GGMac

It is disgraceful. I took my own crack at her but, I'm not broadcasting to millions.

(I believe it was Ms. South Carolina.)

306 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:57:12am
The Violent Islamic Radicalism That Inspires Extremists In The Middle East Has Two Main Strains. Allowing these forces of radicalism to drive America out of the Middle East could result in disaster for the region's people, danger to our friends and allies, and a direct threat to American peace and security.

The First Strain Is Sunni Extremism, Embodied By Al Qaeda And Its Terrorist Allies. These extremists hope to impose their dark vision across the Middle East by raising up a violent and radical caliphate that spans from Spain to Indonesia. They kill fellow Muslims in places like Algeria, Jordan, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia in an attempt to undermine their governments. And they kill Americans because they know we stand in their way – they attacked U.S. Embassies in Africa in 1998, attacked the USS Cole in 2000, killed nearly 3,000 people on 9/11, and plot to attack us again.


The Second Strain Is Shia Extremism, Supported And Embodied By Iran's Government. Iran is the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism, and the United States is working with friends and allies around the world to confront the danger presented by actions of Iran's government. Iran's leaders threaten the security of nations everywhere by:
Actively pursuing technology that could be used to develop nuclear weapons;
Arresting visiting American scholars who have committed no crimes and pose no threat to their regime;
Backing Hezbollah terrorists who are trying to undermine the democratic government of Lebanon;
Funding the terrorist groups Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which murder the innocent, target Israel, and destabilize the Palestinian territories;
Sending arms to the Taliban in Afghanistan, which can be used to attack American and NATO troops and Afghan civilians; and
Sending arms to extremists in Iraq that are used against Coalition and Iraqi troops, and Iraqi civilians.

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

307 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:57:34am

re: #300 Ben Hur

It was supposed to say "Pinata" with all the funny little accents.

OHHH!

I thought it was "Pig".
Changes my previous comment (#294) on this.

308 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:57:41am

re: #301 Abu Bin Squid

From Mandy's #225
I've never understood the fear of clowns.
Ever hear of John Wayne Gacy? I've always feared clowns. And democrats. (similar, I know)


Oddly enough, John Wayne Gacy was a prominent Democrat. Even had a picture taken with Rosalyn Carter.

309 Sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:58:14am

re: #286 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #281 MandyManners

re: #265 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

And, John Wayne Gacey.

Him too. Not my favorite serial killer. That would be Ted Bundy followed by the Green River Killer.

Always been an Ed Gein man myself. Now there was some serious down-home madness there. No messin' around.

The funny places that these threads go after the rage peters out...

We lack focus, maybe we should take lessons from Rage Boy?

310 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:58:28am

re: #242 bikermailman

Once, when I was visiting my brother's family, he sent me, his little sister, out to kill the black widow spider and dispose of the egg sac.

Spiders? No big. Snakes? eh. Rats? EEEK! I hate rats!

311 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:58:29am

bbl

312 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:59:04am

re: #291 buzzsawmonkey

re: #256 SeafoodGumbo

Feh.

If the Palestinians will not accept any agreement that does not include control of the Mount, the proper answer is, "OK, then. No agreements. Get off our Mount!"

If only someone had the nads to tell them that. Then follow through.

314 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:59:36am

re: #309 Sifty

re: #286 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


re: #281 MandyManners

re: #265 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

And, John Wayne Gacey.


Him too. Not my favorite serial killer. That would be Ted Bundy followed by the Green River Killer.

Always been an Ed Gein man myself. Now there was some serious down-home madness there. No messin' around.

The funny places that these threads go after the rage peters out...

We lack focus, maybe we should take lessons from Rage Boy?


Wasn't he the dude that inspired Psycho?

315 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 11:59:38am

Over 100 Taliban killed in southern Afghan battle, US-led coalition says

Published: 08.28.07, 21:19 / Israel News

US-led and Afghan troops battled suspected Taliban insurgents in southern Afghanistan on Tuesday, calling in airstrikes, leaving over 100 insurgents dead and three coalition soldiers wounded, a coalition statement said. [It's called NATO, but if you wrote NATO people would think that there is a coalition, and not just the imperialist Amrikkkans who came for da women]

The joint force was ambushed by a large group of insurgents who tried to overrun their position several times, before being strafed by airstrikes, said the statement. The causality figures could not be independently verified due to remoteness of the area. (AP)

Ahhh...the galant freedom fighters would've one had it not been for the Amrikkkan war machine cowardly act for 25,000 ft!

316 Steve White  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:00:02pm

If it's even possible to get back on-topic after 290 posts, Mr. Gul is not an Islamist the way Zawahiri is (for example). I've read several interviews with the man, and he comes across as a thoughtful fellow who is religious and wants to serve the state. He's made clear that he does not want sharia or anything close to that for Turkey.

Sure, of course he might be lying through his teeth (he's a politician in the Middle East), but at least in these interviews he seems better than that. His party has done a better job than most in actually running Turkey (see Gordon's post #163), and having one's wife wear a headscarf does not mean the imminent imposition of a caliphate.

The Turkish hard-core seculars could make things much worse by staging a coup -- forget the EU (please), but a coup with a subsequent tanking of the economy, civil strife and disorder could pave the way for true, hard-core Islamicists to make their move.

Steve White
moderator, [Link: rantburg.com...]

317 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:00:14pm

BBL

318 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:00:33pm
319 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:00:41pm

re: #295 Spenser (with an S)

re: #277 bikermailman

Holy Crap!, It was one scary book.

Yep. That, The Stand, and the Dark Tower series were my favs of his.

320 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:00:47pm
321 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:01:19pm

re: #304 MandyManners

I know I felt real sorry for her! I bet if she was from a blue state they might have gone easier!--Oh the correct answer is:
If they stopped teaching all this multicultural crap in school and got back to reading writing and math ( can spell arithmatic ) and American History maybe kids would know were the good old USA is what we have meant to the World in the 20th century!

322 Perplexed  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:01:36pm

re: #208 Ben Hur

Pet spider kills its owner

A MAN who lived in his own “zoo” of lizards and insects was fatally bitten by a pet black widow spider — then eaten by the other creepy-crawlies.
Police broke in to Mark Voegel’s apartment to find spider Bettina along with 200 others, several snakes, a gecko lizard called Helmut and several thousand termites had gorged on his body.

Neighbours alerted police after becoming alarmed by the stink.

yummy.

Termites? Excuse me, but unless that guy was made from wood those weren't termites. Those were common fly larva, commonly called maggots.

323 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:01:44pm

re: #298 mondoreb

re: #287 Ben Hur


They've been shilled dry.

I can find no conflicting documentation to your observation.
ROTFLMAO.

Ahem. Perhaps they need some more moisture?
/just sayin'

324 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:01:54pm

re: #318 buzzsawmonkey

re: #309 Sifty

Haarman the Ogre of Hanover has 'em beat. He sold his victims' flesh as black-market pork.

Of course, he wasn't an American serial killer, so I can understand dismissing him on the grounds of patriotism.

Ddin't he inspire Sweeny Todd?

325 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:02:45pm

re: #320 Iron Fist

re: #286 The Pulchritudinous Patriot,

If you are talking serial killers you can't leave out Jack the Ripper. He was the best ;-þ

Jack the Ripper was teh king of serial killers.

326 zmdavid  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:02:54pm

If you reload the page, the n in pinata word comes out right. Hitting new comments, it comes out as a box and wipes out the ata as well.

Piñata

327 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:03:06pm

re: #316 Steve White

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328 Sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:03:39pm

re: #318 buzzsawmonkey

I was limiting my ghoulishness to American weirdos, but the German Sweeney Todd as well as Sawney Beane are enough to curl my hair.

329 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:03:46pm

Just wait until we get socialized medice...
Miss. Ranked Fattest State in Nation

Aside from making Mississippi the butt of late-night talk show jokes, the obesity epidemic has serious implications for public policy.

If current trends hold, the state could face enormous increases in the already significant costs of treating diabetes, heart disease and other ailments caused by the extra poundage.
...
Poverty and obesity often go hand in hand, doctors say, because poor families stretch their budgets by buying cheaper, processed foods that have higher fat content and lower nutritional value.

Bullshit! A frozen pizza costs 7-8 bucks; How much fruit, vegetables and rice will $8 buy? Go to a Wallmart and notice what "poor" fat people are buying, a bunch of crap they don't need. We have a culture of "poor" consumerist gluttons who are going to burden society further if allowed.

330 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:03:55pm

re: #313 WrathofG-d

He may be right.
If his peace plan is fully implemented, there won't be many Jews left. So there will be plenty of room.

331 acushla  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:04:43pm

This is off-topic and I don't know if anyone has already posted this. I have to get to work so I'm on the fly -- but you guys have to see this. Dan Abrams rips Amanpour's 'God's Warriors' on MSNBC and it's delightful to watch. Gotta go. See ya'll later.

[Link: www.camera.org...]

332 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:04:50pm
333 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:04:55pm

re: #322 Perplexed

re: #208 Ben Hur


Pet spider kills its owner

A MAN who lived in his own “zoo” of lizards and insects was fatally bitten by a pet black widow spider — then eaten by the other creepy-crawlies.
Police broke in to Mark Voegel’s apartment to find spider Bettina along with 200 others, several snakes, a gecko lizard called Helmut and several thousand termites had gorged on his body.

Neighbours alerted police after becoming alarmed by the stink.


yummy.

Termites? Excuse me, but unless that guy was made from wood those weren't termites. Those were common fly larva, commonly called maggots.


This sounds like an episode of CSI!

334 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:06:04pm

re: #157 JammieWearingFool

Interesting stuff:

On a per-capita basis, Yemen had the second most heavily armed citizenry behind the United States, with 61 guns per 100 people, followed by Finland with 56, Switzerland with 46, Iraq with 39 and Serbia with 38.

France, Canada, Sweden, Austria and Germany were next, each with about 30 guns per 100 people, while many poorer countries often associated with violence ranked much lower. Nigeria, for instance, had just one gun per 100 people.

"Firearms are very unevenly distributed around the world. The image we have of certain regions such as Africa or Latin America being awash with weapons -- these images are certainly misleading," Small Arms Survey director Keith Krause said.

And yet, Africa and Latin America generally have very high rates of violent crime; while "heavily-armed" Finland, Switzerland, Canada, Sweden, and... yes, in global, relative terms... the US, have low rates of violent crime.

Gosh, it's almost as if, I dunno, guns don't kill people, people kill people, or something.

335 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:06:19pm

re: #308 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Oddly enough, John Wayne Gacy was a prominent Democrat. Even had a picture taken with Rosalyn Carter.

I did not know that! How very creepy.

336 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:06:21pm

re: #323 bikermailman

Ahem. Perhaps they need some more moisture?

I'll chip in to buy her a beer.
But this better work.

337 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:06:43pm
338 Sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:07:21pm

re: #334 Occasional Reader

And I bet you every fat person owns at least 1 fork.

Ban forks now! They are making us all obese!

339 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:08:08pm
340 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:08:14pm

re: #310 Dianna

re: #242 bikermailman

Once, when I was visiting my brother's family, he sent me, his little sister, out to kill the black widow spider and dispose of the egg sac.

Spiders? No big. Snakes? eh. Rats? EEEK! I hate rats!

Once, when I was about ten, my older brother was off to Scout Camp, so I was left to feed his FFA hogs. They had to be fed early, so I got up at the buttcrack of dawn to do it. Their feed bin had a white scoop. (you can see where I'm going with this) I'm half asleep, it's barely light, I lift the lid, reach down for the white I can barely see, and instead of cardboard, I feel fuzz. :O I'm awake now! I think if there had been a piece of concrete behind my hand, I would've shattered it. Biggest frakkin' rat I've seen before or since. Damn head was as big as my hand. Lid goes back on, I go for shotgun, tump bin over, buh bye, Mr. Democrat.

341 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:08:28pm

re: #332 buzzsawmonkey

re: #324 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

No. Sweeney Todd inspired Sweeney Todd.

Haarman inspired Fritz Lang's film "M," though the killer there was changed from a homosexual police informant (Haarman) to the killer of little girls portrayed by Lorre. And the black-market meat angle was left out. But the film begins with an altered version of a children's rhyme about Haarman, which would have made the connection crystal-clear to the German audiences at the time, as the case was only about 5 years old when the movie came out.


I didn't know that. Don't know anything about Haarman, must research this.

342 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:08:55pm

re: #320 Iron Fist

Do you have an opinion as to how many victims? I've been delving back into Ripperology, recently, and I'm curious what others are thinking.

343 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:09:05pm

re: #335 Dianna

re: #308 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


Oddly enough, John Wayne Gacy was a prominent Democrat. Even had a picture taken with Rosalyn Carter.

I did not know that! How very creepy.


Isn't it? ~shiver~

344 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:10:04pm
345 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:10:06pm

re: #250 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

My sister brought a clown marionette back from her honeymoon for one of my kids. I wouldn't let her keep it. I threw it away after cutting the strings and dismembering the creature.

Oh, dear.

You shouldn't have done that.

It only makes Them angry.

346 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:10:18pm
347 ted  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:10:43pm

OT: NY Times cant stand good News in most ridiculous headline of the day.

Poverty Rate Falls, but More Are Uninsured

By ABBY GOODNOUGH
Published: August 28, 2007
The nation’s poverty rate fell in 2006 for the first time this decade, the Census Bureau reported today, even as the percentage of Americans without health insurance coverage hit a record high.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

348 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:11:02pm

re: #328 Sifty

The Dresden Monster?

I read about him in Donald Rumbelow's book; he's the basis for the movie "M" with Peter Lorre.

349 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:11:06pm

re: #345 Occasional Reader

re: #250 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


My sister brought a clown marionette back from her honeymoon for one of my kids. I wouldn't let her keep it. I threw it away after cutting the strings and dismembering the creature.

Oh, dear.

You shouldn't have done that.

It only makes Them angry.

Oh thanks ever so much. ;)

350 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:11:23pm

re: #344 Iron Fist

LOL!

351 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:11:25pm
352 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:11:31pm

re: #316 Steve White

I

've read several interviews with the man, and he comes across as a thoughtful fellow who is religious and wants to serve the state. He's made clear that he does not want sharia or anything close to that for Turkey.

You mean move to the center when trying to get elected. Now where have I seen that before. Oh yes I remember.

353 Sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:11:58pm

re: #316 Steve White

Woohoo! What he said! Educate yourselves people!

I love the "of course, he might be lying through his teeth" golden parachute.

Who am I to disagree with a Moderator?

Don't know what I was working my simple self up about.

354 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:12:08pm

re: #338 Sifty

The analogy would be more like; more forks, less obesity. The link by Jammie seems to indicate an inverse relationship between rates of gun ownership and violent crime levels. Chew on that, anti-gun nuts.

355 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:12:11pm
356 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:12:30pm

re: #336 mondoreb

re: #323 bikermailman


Ahem. Perhaps they need some more moisture?

I'll chip in to buy her a beer.
But this better work.

heh.

357 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:14:15pm

re: #328 Sifty

re: #318 buzzsawmonkey

I was limiting my ghoulishness to American weirdos, but the German Sweeney Todd as well as Sawney Beane are enough to curl my hair.

Then there's H. H. Holmes. This guy even built his own "Murder Castle" on the south side of Chicago, not too far from where the 1893 Columbian Exposition was held.

358 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:15:13pm

re: #340 bikermailman

I think I'd have thrown up after beating it to death! Man, but that's a shudder-some story for me.

359 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:16:29pm
361 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:17:09pm

re: #358 Dianna

re: #340 bikermailman

I think I'd have thrown up after beating it to death! Man, but that's a shudder-some story for me.

No, I shot the thing. I could beat something to death if my life depended on it, but not in a case like that. But shoot? In a case where rabies, other diseases are at stake? Yeah.

362 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:17:30pm
Fighting between Lebanese troops and al-Qaeda-inspired Islamic militants resumed on Tuesday after a two-day lull, with military helicopters bombing a besieged Palestinian refugee camp in northern Lebanon, the state-run National News Agency reported.

Army helicopters fired at least three rockets at suspected underground bunkers of Fatah Islam militants in the Saassa neighborhood of the Nahr el-Bared camp, destroying a nearby building, the report said

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

363 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:17:47pm

re: #355 buzzsawmonkey

Long time since I read the book...for some reason, I was thinking Dresden? (I'm at work, finishing lunch; trying to type one-handed; not really prepared for research)

364 Spenser (with an S)  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:18:33pm

re: #357 Honorary Yooper

Devil in the White City! Great book.

365 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:18:55pm

re: #359 Iron Fist

re: #342 Dianna,

I really don't know. I doubt that his first victims were even noticed, or at least connected to him. One doesn't wake up one day and just decide that tonight would be a good night to slice up your first hooker.

On a different note, have you ever considered Jack Kevorkian as a serial killer? He got to off his with maximum noteriety, and is even getting out of jail soon. One of the most successful serial killers, if you regard him as such.

Patricia Cornwell wrote Portrait of A Killer: Jack the Ripper-Case Closed. I think she has come closest to identifying the Ripper as anyone. Gotta love forensics!

366 Sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:20:21pm

Issei Sagawa is no picnic (pardon the pun).
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1153136

367 samhein  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:20:27pm

...“As long as I am in office, I will embrace all our citizens without any bias. I will preserve my impartiality with the greatest of care.”...

Uh..yeah..right.

368 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:20:33pm

re: #359 Iron Fist

re: #342 Dianna,

On a different note, have you ever considered Jack Kevorkian as a serial killer? He got to off his with maximum noteriety, and is even getting out of jail soon. One of the most successful serial killers, if you regard him as such.

I've always said - in deepest disgust - that Kevorkian is the world's most successful serial killer! I'm glad someone else thinks so.

Terrible man. Just beyond the pale, killing people and acting as if he's doing them a favor.

369 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:20:48pm
370 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:21:07pm

re: #360 jcm

Live Free!


From the article:

Only about 12 percent of civilian weapons are thought to be registered with authorities.

Good!

371 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:21:26pm
372 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:22:00pm

re: #316 Steve White

Sure, of course he might be lying through his teeth

It's called taqqiya, and it's as common as sand over there.

373 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:22:56pm

Larry Craig death watch.

374 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:23:02pm

re: #365 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

While you can't go ten paces on the Ripper without tripping over Walter Sickert, I don't think Cornwell came anywhere close to proving it.

We're still waiting for the evidence that Sickert painted/wrote a lot of the Ripper letters to be published.

375 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:23:40pm

re: #371 buzzsawmonkey

I did - we crossed; sorry.

376 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:23:48pm

What a ghoulish thread.

The "king of serial killers"? Roy Demeo. His killings did not contain a psycho-sexual motivation, but he was definitely f*cked up. Demeo refined the killing process to such an extent that it was carried out via a "dis-assembly line".

377 jcm  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:24:06pm

The way this headline should have been written.

Alternative energy kill man.

378 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:24:44pm

re: #372 MandyManners

re: #316 Steve White
Sure, of course he might be lying through his teeth

It's called taqqiya, and it's as common as sand over there.

Well...yeah, but I'm telling you: Turkey is not like a lot of those Middle Eastern (and European!) countries. The Turkish Army won't put up with any shit.
Guaranteed.

379 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:24:51pm
380 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:26:38pm

re: #379 song_and_dance_man

No pun there. LOL

381 Sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:27:04pm

I respectfully submit that Sawney Beane and his clan are in the running for the title of sickest people to ever walk upright.
http://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/lpop/etext/newgate/b eane.htm

382 wanumba  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:27:36pm

Spiders.
Ugh.
Was away last year for 6 weeks - came back and the front of the house looked like the Addam's Family residence - so many webs. Went out and bought that Ortho spider (long-term) spray and liberally doused the whole front. Was not prepared for the number of black widows that promptly emerged from nearly every crack in the siding. Over combined decades, have seen a grand total of TWO black widows, and they kept crawling out of the woodwork.
Don't remember seeing a normal spider in the lot - ALL black widows.

Not often that you look at the bottle in your hand and then at what you've done and realize that you just dodged a big one.

383 GGMac  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:27:55pm

Re: #346

One of these taxfreekiller is going to unleash his restraints and tell us how he REALLY feels about johneffinkerry!

Won't that be a hoot?!

384 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:28:03pm

re: #376 Dirk Diggler

Didn't they do a long interview with him? I tried to watch it, and just couldn't.

385 Sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:28:42pm

re: #379 song_and_dance_man

So glad we have upstanding folks like Craig on our team to serve as role models for our children.

/must I?

386 jcm  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:28:50pm

re: #379 song_and_dance_man

re: #373 rab3

Larry Craig death watch.

Craig almost blew it.

You owe me a keyboard.

387 TimeQuake  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:30:22pm

re: #103 zombie

The information stream must be pure and untainted.

Bless your soul.

388 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:30:40pm

re: #369 Iron Fist

re: #365 The Pulchritudinous Patriot,

I may try to catch up on it. I was a big "fan" when I was a kid.

I adore Cornwell. I wait for her Scarpetta novels with the same fervency that I awaited Harry Potter novels. When she killed off Benton, I was pissed off!

389 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:31:31pm
390 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:32:13pm

re: #388 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I'm even more pissed that she's brought him back.

391 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:32:24pm

re: #374 Dianna

re: #365 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

While you can't go ten paces on the Ripper without tripping over Walter Sickert, I don't think Cornwell came anywhere close to proving it.

We're still waiting for the evidence that Sickert painted/wrote a lot of the Ripper letters to be published.

I haven't finished the whole book yet, but I think that she has what is supposed to be DNA from a letter he wrote. So far I have found her premise compelling

392 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:32:28pm
393 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:32:59pm

re: #381 Sifty

We have a winner.

394 DesertSage  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:33:21pm

Larry Craig. Another politician with two first names...

Howard Dean
John Kerry
Ron Paul

And now Larry Craig.

You can't trust any of them.

395 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:33:43pm

re: #382 wanumba

W

ent out and bought that Ortho spider (long-term) spray

Frankly, I've tried that stuff and I'm not impressed. Their claim that it makes a "barrier" to bugs entering your home is laughable. And Windex has better knockdown power (literally).

396 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:33:59pm

Dianna,

Didn't they do a long interview with him? I tried to watch it, and just couldn't.

That was Richard Kuklinski. Kuklinski claims to have been associated with Roy Demeo's murderous crew.

397 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:34:11pm

re: #329 Killgore Trout

Total bullshit. Take out food is not only disgusting, but expensive.

398 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:34:47pm

re: #382 wanumba

Spiders.
Ugh.
Was away last year for 6 weeks - came back and the front of the house looked like the Addam's Family residence - so many webs. Went out and bought that Ortho spider (long-term) spray and liberally doused the whole front. Was not prepared for the number of black widows that promptly emerged from nearly every crack in the siding. Over combined decades, have seen a grand total of TWO black widows, and they kept crawling out of the woodwork.
Don't remember seeing a normal spider in the lot - ALL black widows.

Not often that you look at the bottle in your hand and then at what you've done and realize that you just dodged a big one.

Never kill a daddy-long-legs. If my information is correct, they will kill and eat a black widow. Their poisen is very toxic but their mandibles are too small to bite a human. Long live the daddy and mommy long legs.

399 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:35:55pm

re: #381 Sifty

I respectfully submit that Sawney Beane and his clan are in the running for the title of sickest people to ever walk upright.
http://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/lpop/etext /newgate/beane.htm


That's some pretty eff'ed up shite there.

400 Clubbeaux  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:36:02pm

Here in Istanbul it's actually pretty calm. It's been a foreordained conclusion ever since AK swept 47 percent of the vote last month or so. And the view on the ground here is that the days of the army mounting coups are over. They can huff and puff, and they do, but they can't blow the house down like they used to be able to.

Still, the military remains far and away the most highly respected institution in Turkey by your average Turk, politicians are slightly ahead of toejam in respect, and I can't help but think that, although I haven't heard any insider gossip to back this up, that Gul knows he's on a short leash.

"Former Islamist," you have to remember that Islam is seen as a base of power here, just like the church is considered a base of power in the American black community, which is why you have amoral scumbags like the "Rev" Al Sharpton and the "Rev" Jesse Jackson. They're about as Christian as I am Hittite, it's a power base. Same thing here. I'm sure Gul's sympathetic to Islamification, and we'll see what decisions he makes on vetoing some AK party legislation, but right now I really can't get too concerned about it. That could change.

401 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:36:07pm

re: #383 GGMac


I'm usually a quite lurker, but don't get me started on St. JFK...

402 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:36:23pm
403 easy  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:37:03pm

As long as he insn't formerly restive.

404 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:37:33pm

re: #378 mondoreb

re: #372 MandyManners


re: #316 Steve White
Sure, of course he might be lying through his teeth

It's called taqqiya, and it's as common as sand over there.


Well...yeah, but I'm telling you: Turkey is not like a lot of those Middle Eastern (and European!) countries. The Turkish Army won't put up with any shit.
Guaranteed.

How has the army managed to keep Islamists out of its ranks?

405 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:37:38pm

re: #391 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Mitochondrial DNA.

It's a nice premise, but it's faulty; rather like Knight's perfectly wonderful - but wrong! - book, Jack the Ripper: The Final Solution, which blamed the Masons and Sickert. Sickert was - undeniably - fascinated with the Ripper. But if that's cause for suspicion, well, I'm in trouble and so are you.

Besides, she's relying on the London Times for her newspaper coverage, particularly of the inquests, and the Times had the most problems.

If you like, I'll send you a list of the books that I think are better. The

406 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:37:49pm

re: #390 Dianna

re: #388 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I'm even more pissed that she's brought him back.

It was rather lame. She never really explained how they managed to find a real "Benton" face for Kay to pull out of the baggie in the freezer.
Maybe Patricia should have gone with the Bobby Ewing shower dream premise.

407 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:38:00pm

re: #392 song_and_dance_man

You did an "re" on yourself. If Larry had done that he might not be in so much trouble. If you know what I mean.

408 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:38:26pm

re: #329 Killgore Trout

Just wait until we get socialized medice...
Miss. Ranked Fattest State in Nation

Aside from making Mississippi the butt of late-night talk show jokes, the obesity epidemic has serious implications for public policy.

If current trends hold, the state could face enormous increases in the already significant costs of treating diabetes, heart disease and other ailments caused by the extra poundage.
...
Poverty and obesity often go hand in hand, doctors say, because poor families stretch their budgets by buying cheaper, processed foods that have higher fat content and lower nutritional value.

Bullshit! A frozen pizza costs 7-8 bucks; How much fruit, vegetables and rice will $8 buy? Go to a Wallmart and notice what "poor" fat people are buying, a bunch of crap they don't need. We have a culture of "poor" consumerist gluttons who are going to burden society further if allowed.

Fruit & vegetables are expensive these days. I see a couple of problems.

First, many people no longer know how to cook. Their idea of "cooking" is heating up something frozen or starting with a mix - if they don't simply eat at a "restaurant," usually of the variety that starts with something frozen themselves.

Second, almost everything you buy these days seems to have high-density fructose as a cheap substitute for sugar. Even things you might not think would even need sugar seem to have it. Deadly stuff.

Third, virtually our entire meat supply is fed growth hormones. I have thought for some time that this plays a role in obesity, especially among our youngsters.

And last but hardly least, much of the dairy that is advertised as "low fat" or "lower fat" or "2 %" has had the butter fat skimmed off to make butter, then extra milk solids (sugar) added to make it taste more "real." (The same is true of peanut butter BTW - the real peanut oil is skimmed off, sold for a high price and fat of much lower quality added to make it spreadable.)

409 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:38:30pm

re: #396 Dirk Diggler

Thanks.

410 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:38:31pm
If you like, I'll send you a list of the books that I think are better. The

Cut off in mid-sentence! Looks like Dianna knew too much.

411 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:39:19pm
412 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:39:27pm

re: #396 Dirk Diggler

Dianna,


Didn't they do a long interview with him? I tried to watch it, and just couldn't.

That was Richard Kuklinski. Kuklinski claims to have been associated with Roy Demeo's murderous crew.

Ohhh... the Iceman!

413 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:39:58pm

re: #405 Dianna

re: #391 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Mitochondrial DNA.

It's a nice premise, but it's faulty; rather like Knight's perfectly wonderful - but wrong! - book, Jack the Ripper: The Final Solution, which blamed the Masons and Sickert. Sickert was - undeniably - fascinated with the Ripper. But if that's cause for suspicion, well, I'm in trouble and so are you.

Besides, she's relying on the London Times for her newspaper coverage, particularly of the inquests, and the Times had the most problems.

If you like, I'll send you a list of the books that I think are better. The

Sure...I'll light up the football!

414 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:40:00pm

re: #379 song_and_dance_man

Craig almost blew it.

Keeper Quote.

415 Paul  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:40:19pm

From Australia: Virtual terrorism. Young jihadis hone their skills on line.

416 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:40:26pm

re: #402 song_and_dance_man

Bleach. Kills and disinfects.

Fine for outdoor use, bad for indoor use (will create interesting color patterns on your carpet and furniture).

417 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:40:47pm

re: #399 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


These two took up their habitation in a rock by the seaside, on the shore of the county of Galloway, where they lived upwards of twenty five years without going into any city, town, or village.
In this time they had a great number of children and grandchildren, whom they brought up after their own manner, without any notions of humanity or civil society. They never kept any company but among themselves, and supported themselves wholly by robbing; being, moreover, so very cruel, that they never robbed anyone whom they did not murder.


I guess they didn't get them all...

418 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:41:09pm

re: #381 Sifty

I respectfully submit that Sawney Beane and his clan are in the running for the title of sickest people to ever walk upright.
http://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/lpop/etext /newgate/beane.htm

Jamail Center for Legal Research?

419 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:41:39pm

re: #417 Ben Hur

re: #399 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


These two took up their habitation in a rock by the seaside, on the shore of the county of Galloway, where they lived upwards of twenty five years without going into any city, town, or village.
In this time they had a great number of children and grandchildren, whom they brought up after their own manner, without any notions of humanity or civil society. They never kept any company but among themselves, and supported themselves wholly by robbing; being, moreover, so very cruel, that they never robbed anyone whom they did not murder.

I guess they didn't get them all...


lol

420 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:41:53pm

re: #406 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I don't think she intended to bring him back; thus the great, gaping plot hole.

Remember, in Paris she read the whole autopsy report?

421 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:42:38pm
being, moreover, so very cruel, that they never robbed anyone whom they did not murder.

Well, at least they didn't discriminate.

(Discrimination is, like, bad, and stuff)

422 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:43:00pm

re: #420 Dianna

re: #406 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I don't think she intended to bring him back; thus the great, gaping plot hole.

Remember, in Paris she read the whole autopsy report?


Yep. That could be faked tho.

I think that the fans were so pissed that she killed him, she might have felt forced to bring him back. If this is so then I can't respect that at all. One must be true to one's art.

423 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:43:00pm

Shocka!

Fidel loves Jimmy Carter

Or whoever wrote this for Fidel knew he loved Jimmah.

424 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:43:27pm

re: #410 Occasional Reader

Oh, dear. That's what I get for making sure I was making sense.

425 jcm  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:43:47pm

re: #408 galloping granny

re: #329 Killgore Trout

Just wait until we get socialized medice...
Miss. Ranked Fattest State in Nation

Aside from making Mississippi the butt of late-night talk show jokes, the obesity epidemic has serious implications for public policy.

If current trends hold, the state could face enormous increases in the already significant costs of treating diabetes, heart disease and other ailments caused by the extra poundage.
...
Poverty and obesity often go hand in hand, doctors say, because poor families stretch their budgets by buying cheaper, processed foods that have higher fat content and lower nutritional value.

Bullshit! A frozen pizza costs 7-8 bucks; How much fruit, vegetables and rice will $8 buy? Go to a Wallmart and notice what "poor" fat people are buying, a bunch of crap they don't need. We have a culture of "poor" consumerist gluttons who are going to burden society further if allowed.

Fruit & vegetables are expensive these days. I see a couple of problems.

First, many people no longer know how to cook. Their idea of "cooking" is heating up something frozen or starting with a mix - if they don't simply eat at a "restaurant," usually of the variety that starts with something frozen themselves.

Second, almost everything you buy these days seems to have high-density fructose as a cheap substitute for sugar. Even things you might not think would even need sugar seem to have it. Deadly stuff.

Third, virtually our entire meat supply is fed growth hormones. I have thought for some time that this plays a role in obesity, especially among our youngsters.

And last but hardly least, much of the dairy that is advertised as "low fat" or "lower fat" or "2 %" has had the butter fat skimmed off to make butter, then extra milk solids (sugar) added to make it taste more "real." (The same is true of peanut butter BTW - the real peanut oil is skimmed off, sold for a high price and fat of much lower quality added to make it spreadable.)

Rice and beans, my college diet with a little cheap cut of meat now and then. A can of soda was a luxury, beer forget about it, buying prepared food, hahahah.

I contend that the same poor decision making processes, early out of wed lock child birth, dropping out of school etc... Is involved in obesity. Nutritious eating requires EFFORT, shopping, cooking, learning. The same thinking process that leads one to get an education, work hard, plan for the future is part of taking care of one's health.

426 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:43:54pm

re: #397 WriterMom

Until the past few years my income has been not much above the poverty line, my weekly grocery bill rarely goes over $40-$50. Lot's of rice and veggies, very little meat, no soda, candy or chips. It always pisses me off when the person in front of me in line spends twice as much on junk food and pays with foodstamps.

427 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:43:57pm

re: #391 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #374 Dianna

re: #365 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

While you can't go ten paces on the Ripper without tripping over Walter Sickert, I don't think Cornwell came anywhere close to proving it.

We're still waiting for the evidence that Sickert painted/wrote a lot of the Ripper letters to be published.

I haven't finished the whole book yet, but I think that she has what is supposed to be DNA from a letter he wrote. So far I have found her premise compelling

I read Cornwell's book when it first came out a few years back. Probably my least favorite of her books. For starters, the book should be only about 1/4 of the length that it is. She ends up writing in circles. Case made? Nope. Interesting premise? Maybe.

428 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:43:59pm

re: #423 JammieWearingFool


Don't you mean, "Our Beloved Elder."

429 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:44:48pm

re: #413 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I'll send the list after I get home. It's not long, at this point.

430 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:45:04pm

re: #423 JammieWearingFool

Shocka!

Fidel loves Jimmy Carter

Or whoever wrote this for Fidel knew he loved Jimmah.

I wonder when the banns are going to be read? Oh wait! Commie's don't believe in God and hence are likely not Catholic.

I wonder when the wedding is?

What does one get an aged, ailing dictator and a nobel peace prize winner?

431 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:45:10pm

re: #423 JammieWearingFool

Shocka!

Fidel loves Jimmy Carter

It was a love... from beyond the grave... (oooEEEoooh)

432 J.S.  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:45:40pm

re: #218 mondoreb

re: #163 Gordon

OK, lets take a whole look at this:


Secular governments were notoriously jingoistic in foreign affairs, invading Cyprus in 1974 for example.

Notorious? Except for UN Missions and Cyprus, the Turkish army hasn't been involved in jingoistic adventures, including staying out of WWII.
Short History of the Turkish Armed Forces

A few points. Turkey did enter WWII (near the end of hostilities and joined the Allies).

I don't understand Gordon's point about "Secular governments were notoriously jingoistic in foreign affairs..." -- "secular governments" -- well, since Attaturk the governments have been "secular" -- and what is meant by "jingoistic" (?) The politician who sent the Turkish army into Cyprus was hailed as a national hero (in 74). Also, just because the army stages a coup (as was done in the sixties) doesn't mean that the army has become "pro-Western." A simple formula of -- "army overthrows Islamists means army is pro-West" doesn't work...it just means they are opposed to religious leadership or a return (as with Ottomans) of Sharia law. (Much of Turkey right now is very, very anti-American). (Also, I believe someone else suggested that the army could align with the Islamists -- i don't think so -- although there could be embedded in the army pro-Islamists...why there's a danger in having an Islamist President being able to make military appointments.)

433 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:46:22pm

re: #404 MandyManners

How has the army managed to keep Islamists out of its ranks?

When Kemal Attaturk founded modern Turkey, he waged war against the Islamist establishment. Since 1922, the Turkish Army has been charged with ensuring the country's democracy. And since 1922, Turkey as been the secular of the Muslim countries. The Army has already issued some warnings that they will not allow any tampering with the Turkish secular government.

I'm not saying that there may not be any Islamists in the army; just as there may be some in the US Army. But, the Turkish Army has a strong tradition, like the US Army. Except we don't do the coup thing here.

434 hayseed  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:46:26pm

re: #416 Occasional Reader

10 percent bleach solution is great disinfectent

435 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:46:31pm

re: #428 Ben Hur

Was Castro included in that Global Village Elders bullshite? I'd be astonished if he wasn't.

436 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:46:45pm

re: #427 galloping granny

re: #391 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


re: #374 Dianna

re: #365 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

While you can't go ten paces on the Ripper without tripping over Walter Sickert, I don't think Cornwell came anywhere close to proving it.

We're still waiting for the evidence that Sickert painted/wrote a lot of the Ripper letters to be published.


I haven't finished the whole book yet, but I think that she has what is supposed to be DNA from a letter he wrote. So far I have found her premise compelling

I read Cornwell's book when it first came out a few years back. Probably my least favorite of her books. For starters, the book should be only about 1/4 of the length that it is. She ends up writing in circles. Case made? Nope. Interesting premise? Maybe.


So am I wasting my time or should I keep reading?

437 jcm  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:46:53pm

re: #423 JammieWearingFool

Shocka!

Fidel loves Jimmy Carter

Or whoever wrote this for Fidel knew he loved Jimmah.

The perfect love story. Until Jimmy met bunny.

438 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:47:10pm

re: #435 Occasional Reader


I meant Jimmah.

439 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:47:21pm
440 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:47:36pm

re: #425 jcm

Rice and beans is a great example. $10 worth of ingredients ($12 if you include some sausage) will feed you for at least a week.

441 zmdavid  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:47:55pm

re: #394 DesertSage

Larry Craig. Another politician with two first names...

Howard Dean
John Kerry
Ron Paul

And now Larry Craig.

You can't trust any of them.


Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have 2 last names, can you trust them?
John Edwards is awfully close to 2 first names.

442 GGMac  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:47:58pm

#373 rab3

re: "Larry Craig death watch", Michelle Malkin says:

"He plays the 'Don't you know who I am?' game by whipping out his Senate business card."

Whipping out? BUSINESS CARD? Oh, is That what it's called in his circle?

Yeah, I know, I'm an un-PC snark. Bite me!

443 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:48:16pm

"Sickert"? Sounds like a serial killer's name to me. Guilty, says I!

444 mikeysdca  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:48:20pm

What do you expect from Turkey, which is an Islamic country? We could do worse, and likely will. in time.

445 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:48:35pm

re: #426 Killgore Trout

Soda/pop is horrendous. Paying for sugar water. I have very little food around that is processed. Some snacks for the kids, but all of our meals are made, not heated up. A head of lettuce does not cost more than a bottle of pop. People make choices-it's a matter of individual responsibility which most people are inclined to fuggetabout. You would have loved the series Jamie Oliver ("The Naked Chef") did about his experience trying to get healthy foods into the British public school system. It was amazing.

446 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:48:44pm

re: #395 Occasional Reader

re: #382 wanumba

W

ent out and bought that Ortho spider (long-term) spray

Frankly, I've tried that stuff and I'm not impressed. Their claim that it makes a "barrier" to bugs entering your home is laughable. And Windex has better knockdown power (literally).

If nothing else is available, aerosol hairspray will stop them in their tracks:)

447 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:48:48pm

re: #440 Killgore Trout

re: #425 jcm

Rice and beans is a great example. $10 worth of ingredients ($12 if you include some sausage) will feed you for at least a week.

Pasta and tomato sauce are another example too. Vegeterian Lasagne is also good.

448 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:48:54pm

re: #436 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

It never hurts to finish a book and make up your own mind.

449 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:48:56pm

re: #423 JammieWearingFool

A new essay by ailing leader Fidel Castro accused U.S. presidential candidates of "submission" to his exiled foes in Florida and offered a favorable assessment of only one of the 10 presidents he has known: Jimmy Carter.

Figures.
Carter was the best friend Communists had for awhile.

450 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:49:04pm

re: #438 Ben Hur

re: #435 Occasional Reader


I meant Jimmah.

Yes, I know. It just occurred to me that the same types who thought Jimmy would make a wonderful Global Chieftain, would doubtless feel the same way about Fidel.

451 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:49:38pm

re: #435 Occasional Reader

I don't think so. It was Jimmah, Nelson Mandela and other assorted vomit-inducing creatures.

452 RTLM  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:49:58pm

re: #423 JammieWearingFool

Shocka!

Fidel loves Jimmy Carter

Or whoever wrote this for Fidel knew he loved Jimmah.

Fidel loves Hillary and Obama too.

453 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:50:17pm

re: #439 song_and_dance_man

moonbat heart cockles

EWWW

454 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:50:31pm

Oh this is cute...really.

my 7 year-old wants to be Elvis for Halloween.

My 7 year -old is a female.

The costumes are so cute!

455 Gordon  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:50:45pm

Well, Well, Well, I see that my long and fact-filled post has generated the usual content-free comments from the usual suspects. Hello, Storage Manager, Mahmoud Ed, Kosovo-Manzikert, Mandy Manners, Beaver Cleaver, and the rest! I'm glad I was apparently missed.

As for non-content free responses:

#168 reb3: Turkey banned executions in 2002. The current government won the subsequent election, but has not repealed this law.

#172 Storage Manager: There are no Turkish criminal laws that prescribe hand removal or eye gouging as a penalty, nor are any proposed.

"The Trains Run on Time" argument - This implies that political freedom in Turkey has been sacrificed for efficiency and honesty in government. That in fact is not true. See this Freedom House summary spreadsheet of international political freedoms. Since the 2002 elections, Turkey's rankings have gotten better (lower numbers mean more freedom in the table).

#218 Mondoreb: A thoughtful response, thank you. The 1974 Cyprus invasion was done by the left-wing government of Bulent Ecevit, in part it is suspected to bolster flagging political support at home. But you are correct that Turkey hasn't made a habit of military adventurism. Perhaps I can more correctly state that Turkey has been notoriously paranoid about "Turkishness," as is evidenced by its denial of the Armenian holocaust, it's repression of Kurds, it's threats toward Kurds in Iraq, and its repression of Armenian and Greek minorities in Turkey. These policies have certainly not worsened under the current government - in fact, policies in these areas have slowly improved.

As for economic history, you are correct that under Turgut Ozal Turkey advanced economically in the 1980's. However, incompetent government policies afterward led to the crashes of 1994 and 2001, which set Turkey back greatly. The current government has corrected the flawed politically-based economic policies of the 1990's governments.

As a final note, Turkey is an exception to the malignancy of the Muslim world today. The government certainly bears watching - there are Islamic nuts in Turkey that want to pull the party in their direction. However, the party leaders know that to do so means not only Army intervention but, more importantly, loss in any future election.

So yes, this thread has exhibited hysteria about the situation, although you, thankfully, seem to be immune to it.

456 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:51:05pm

I think we need a new thread!

CHARLES CHARLES CAN WE HAVE A NEW THREAD? Poo on Turkey. Bah.

457 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:51:38pm

re: #440 Killgore Trout

I'd like to see you tell my wife we will be eating rice, beans, and maybe sausage for a week. I'll end up wearing it for a week. She will throw it at me and then not do the laundry.

458 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:51:52pm

re: #433 mondoreb

But, HOW has the military kept out the Islamists?

459 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:52:49pm

re: #443 Occasional Reader

I hate his paintings. So that inclines me to believe it, too!

460 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:54:05pm
461 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:54:08pm

re: #394 DesertSage


You're right!

Never trust anyone with 2 first names.

462 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:54:10pm

re: #425 jcm

Rice and beans, my college diet with a little cheap cut of meat now and then. A can of soda was a luxury, beer forget about it, buying prepared food, hahahah.

I contend that the same poor decision making processes, early out of wed lock child birth, dropping out of school etc... Is involved in obesity. Nutritious eating requires EFFORT, shopping, cooking, learning. The same thinking process that leads one to get an education, work hard, plan for the future is part of taking care of one's health.

I would agree with you jcm but the thing is, the wealthy don't have a lock on good nutrition and the poor aren't the only ones who are obese. One of my daughter's Smith College (so not poor by a long shot) housemates did not know that milk had to be refrigerated. She came from a home with maids, housekeeper, chef and personal trainer - and would have literally starved to death if someone had not been available to meet her every need.

Rice and beans are nutritious only if you know how to cook them properly and cheap only if you cook them from scratch. If you're feeding a couple of kids, just rice and beans does not begin to approximate an adequate diet.

If you want to blame someone for not knowing how to cook, blame Madison Avenue for pushing "convenience" in the 40's and 50's, the women's rights movement for making it not only acceptable but almost required for mothers to work and the schools for wiping out home ec in the 80's.

463 jcm  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:54:30pm

re: #440 Killgore Trout

re: #425 jcm

Rice and beans is a great example. $10 worth of ingredients ($12 if you include some sausage) will feed you for at least a week.

Early on I got a conservative epiphany. I just got out of the Air Force and was taking Fire Dept. training class paying my way. My weekly shopping I think my budget at the time was south of $20, I am in line with my rice and beans, the few items I would eat for the week in a hand basket. The plus plus sized woman in line in front of me had bags of chips, bottles of soda, twinkies, ding dongs et. al. and paid with food stamps.

WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT, thinks I.

IMHO food stamp recipients should be required to take cooking classes. Then only subsistence food items can be bought.

My wife and I both work, I cook dinner from scratch every night. Yes I cook, occasionally I let my wife use MY kitchen.

464 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:54:40pm

re: #446 Eowyn2

re: #395 Occasional Reader


re: #382 wanumba

W

ent out and bought that Ortho spider (long-term) spray

Frankly, I've tried that stuff and I'm not impressed. Their claim that it makes a "barrier" to bugs entering your home is laughable. And Windex has better knockdown power (literally).

If nothing else is available, aerosol hairspray will stop them in their tracks:)

Especially when you hold a lighter up in front of it. heh. heh heh.

465 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:55:00pm
466 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:55:42pm

re: #449 mondoreb

re: #423 JammieWearingFool


A new essay by ailing leader Fidel Castro accused U.S. presidential candidates of "submission" to his exiled foes in Florida and offered a favorable assessment of only one of the 10 presidents he has known: Jimmy Carter.

Figures.
Carter was the best friend Communists had for awhile.

A while, nuffin! He's the reason Chavez is destroying Venezuela right now.

467 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:56:01pm

re: #436 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #427 galloping granny

re: #391 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


re: #374 Dianna


re: #365 The Pulchritudinous PatriotWhile you can't go ten paces on the Ripper without tripping over Walter Sickert, I don't think Cornwell came anywhere close to proving it.

We're still waiting for the evidence that Sickert painted/wrote a lot of the Ripper letters to be published.


I haven't finished the whole book yet, but I think that she has what is supposed to be DNA from a letter he wrote. So far I have found her premise compelling


I read Cornwell's book when it first came out a few years back. Probably my least favorite of her books. For starters, the book should be only about 1/4 of the length that it is. She ends up writing in circles. Case made? Nope. Interesting premise? Maybe.


So am I wasting my time or should I keep reading?

If you're enjoying the thing keep reading. I found her repetition annoying. She seems to just keep plowing the same ground over and over. Padding the thesis.

468 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:56:07pm

Excuse me. Shoulda had a 'was' in there too.

469 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:56:18pm

Half of Turkey is worried.

But we shouldn't.

470 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:56:34pm

re: #432 J.S.

A few points. Turkey did enter WWII (near the end of hostilities and joined the Allies).

Yes, you are right; it was akin to the Russians declaring war on Japan after it was over.
I was speaking of any "jingoistic" (imperialistic foreign) adventures of the Turkish Army that Gordon had referred to.

Much of Turkey right now is very, very anti-American). (Also, I believe someone else suggested that the army could align with the Islamists -- i don't think so

There is anti-Americanism in Turkey. But it doesn't correlate with the Army's duties to protect the Turkish state. And you're right, they won't align with the Islamists--they've already issued warning prior to the election.

471 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:57:04pm

re: #467 galloping granny


Padding the thesis, eh? That's not good.

472 DesertSage  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:57:15pm

re: #455 Gordon

It seems to me that you're making a very, very strong argument that democracy is compatible with Islam.

That being said, when did you have this epiphany and when did you change you views on Iraq? I mean, in order for you to be consistent with your new found viewpoint that Islam is compatible with democracy, you would have to believe that the Iraq experiment will now be successful and that Bush was right.

473 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:57:23pm

#408 galloping granny
I think it's a matter of choice and laziness. Go to Africa or Asia and poor people work very hard and don't buy plastic lawn ornament. Socialized Medicine would destroy this country by having to pay for gluttonous "poor" people who are lazy and make poor decisions.
Cooking real healthy cheap food takes a little effort but people choose not to do it. If they were really poor they wouldn't have a choice in the matter. They eat that way because they can afford it.

474 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:57:28pm

I wonder how Gordon would feel about a self-described "Christianist" political party being elected into power in the US.

re: #459 Dianna

In any event, the Jack the Ripper crimes have already been solved... in the future.

475 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:57:30pm

President Gul with assume office without his wife by his side.

That is not because of us.

476 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:58:12pm
477 jcm  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:58:31pm

re: #462 galloping granny

You right it's more complex, lot of factors. My argument is with those who say poverty causes obesity. My contention is the root cause of poverty and obesity are common. There are exceptions of course.

I don't like the poverty causes obesity claim because it always, always leads to redistribution of wealth.

478 hayseed  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:59:13pm

my son has a soccer game tonight...I think we will have pizza after the game.lol

479 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:59:46pm

re: #408 galloping granny

re: #329 Killgore Trout


Just wait until we get socialized medice...
Miss. Ranked Fattest State in Nation

...
Poverty and obesity often go hand in hand, doctors say, because poor families stretch their budgets by buying cheaper, processed foods that have higher fat content and lower nutritional value.


Bullshit! A frozen pizza costs 7-8 bucks; How much fruit, vegetables and rice will $8 buy? Go to a Wallmart and notice what "poor" fat people are buying, a bunch of crap they don't need. We have a culture of "poor" consumerist gluttons who are going to burden society further if allowed.

Fruit & vegetables are expensive these days. I see a couple of problems.

First, many people no longer know how to cook. Their idea of "cooking" is heating up something frozen or starting with a mix - if they don't simply eat at a "restaurant," usually of the variety that starts with something frozen themselves.

Second, almost everything you buy these days seems to have high-density fructose as a cheap substitute for sugar. Even things you might not think would even need sugar seem to have it. Deadly stuff.

Third, virtually our entire meat supply is fed growth hormones. I have thought for some time that this plays a role in obesity, especially among our youngsters.

And last but hardly least, much of the dairy that is advertised as "low fat" or "lower fat" or "2 %" has had the butter fat skimmed off to make butter, then extra milk solids (sugar) added to make it taste more "real." (The same is true of peanut butter BTW - the real peanut oil is skimmed off, sold for a high price and fat of much lower quality added to make it spreadable.)

Its the cooking. Thats the big thing. Some people dont know how to boil water let alone cut up a spud and put it in the water.

Fresh vegies are expensive but frozen and canned vegies and fruit are not that expensive. Same with fruit. Oranges and apples and even bananas are not that expensive. A meat, potato (pasta/rice), vegie meal was much less if I actually cooked it rather than bought burgers and fries.

480 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 12:59:54pm

re: #474 Occasional Reader


That's something else completely.

Now you're talking Christians.

You know what they did 1500 years ago!

That's what they say, "Look what they did during the Middle Ages." It was bad then, but do it today? No prob.

And no one was saying that "Poof!" now there's a Hamastan inTurkey.

481 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:00:37pm

re: #447 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #440 Killgore Trout


re: #425 jcm

Rice and beans is a great example. $10 worth of ingredients ($12 if you include some sausage) will feed you for at least a week.


Pasta and tomato sauce are another example too. Vegeterian Lasagne is also good.

Manicotti (dang cheese is expensive though)

482 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:01:12pm
Third, virtually our entire meat supply is fed growth hormones. I have thought for some time that this plays a role in obesity, especially among our youngsters.

Yes, but they also make BOOBIES!

483 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:01:28pm

sorry.

484 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:01:33pm

re: #463 jcm

My favorite move is when they pay for their junkfood with foodstamps and then pay separately with cash for booze, smokes and fashion magazines.

485 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:01:48pm

re: #467 galloping granny

I broke my reviewing silence to whack it, I admit.

I took her contempt for the people she was writing about rather badly.

486 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:01:55pm

re: #455 Gordon

Well, Well, Well, I see that my long and fact-filled post has generated the usual content-free comments from the usual suspects. Hello, Storage Manager, Mahmoud Ed, Kosovo-Manzikert, Mandy Manners, Beaver Cleaver, and the rest! I'm glad I was apparently missed.

Gotta hand to you...you got flair when you're calling the Lizards out.

Feeling sluggish? Try a little Gordon!

I'll get back to you for the rest.

487 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:02:41pm
488 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:03:16pm
489 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:03:45pm
490 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:03:59pm

re: #482 Ben Hur

You said BOOBIES. Mmmm BOOBIES for dinner. Wait does that make me a serial killer.

491 jcm  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:04:29pm

re: #484 Killgore Trout

re: #463 jcm

My favorite move is when they pay for their junkfood with foodstamps and then pay separately with cash for booze, smokes and fashion magazines.

They've finally closed that loop hole in WA they use an EBT card like a debit card it, no change and they do have some limits on what can be purchased with it.

492 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:04:33pm

re: #479 Eowyn2

Fresh produce is ridiculously cheap. Even out of season stuff like apples and bananas are really inexpensive in January.

493 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:04:38pm

And all those folks reporting that Castro said that Carter was this or that Clinton was that - does any of the reports actually show that Castro is in fact alive?

Anyone can write that tripe - and the Communist line has been solid in denouncing US presidents for generations. It's not an open secret that Castro didn't care for any of 'em, and that Carter makes his favorable rating isn't much of a surprise given how much of a pushover Carter was (including in being suckered into taking thousands of Cubans that the Castroites didn't want in their mental institutions or prisons).

We simply have a bunch of reporters regurgitating the Communist party line - he's alive but unavailable for comment. Right...

No one wants to ask the million dollar question - if he's supposedly recovered from his ailment and writing articles and books, how come no one can take photos of him other than [t]Hugo? Photoshop much?

494 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:05:09pm

re: #458 MandyManners

But, HOW has the military kept out the Islamists?

It's part of the make-up of their society. And I'm not saying that it might not change sometime in the future. But, for generations, Turks have been schooled as secularists. The rise of the Islamic parties is a recent occurrence.

I can only go on what has been reported, both in and outside of Turkey.
I'll go dig up some links in a minute.
Gordon's waiting.

495 easy  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:05:52pm

So I guess 2 dozen oysters grilled in garlic butter topped wiith grated Parmesan following a bowl of chicken andouille/gumbo is not good.

496 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:06:50pm

re: #476 ploome hineni

yet he continues to attend a controversial Chicago church whose pastor routinely refers to "white arrogance" and "the United States of White America."
In fact, Obama was in attendance at the church when these statements were made on July 22.
Obama has spoken and written of his special relationship with that pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.

BIG WHITE DEVIL IS RIPPING US OFF!

497 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:07:01pm

re: #482 Ben Hur

Third, virtually our entire meat supply is fed growth hormones. I have thought for some time that this plays a role in obesity, especially among our youngsters.

Yes, but they also make BOOBIES!

Yeah...how's it going to be when our 10 year olds have rather large breasts and the muslims are taking over? Appreciate the quick recant.

498 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:07:11pm
499 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:07:12pm

re: #458 MandyManners

re: #433 mondoreb

But, HOW has the military kept out the Islamists?

Only an Indian can sneak up on an Indian.

500 jcm  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:07:35pm

re: #488 song_and_dance_man

A can of Crisco and a salt lick.

Michael Moore swears by it.

I just ate and you ruined my appetite. And I can't get the mental image out of my mind.

BLEEECH!

Thank you very much. ACK!

501 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:07:55pm

When I was a girl and money was too tight to buy alot of meat, mom would fix tomato sauce and add whole or sliced, hardboiled eggs to it. We'd serve it over spagetti and get some protein in the meal.

As a kid I thought that mom was being creative (she was) but now I realize it was also because money was tight.

It's odd, but growing up I never realized that money was tight for us.

I have awesome parents!

502 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:09:13pm

re: #480 Ben Hur

And no one was saying that "Poof!" now there's a Hamastan inTurkey.

Plus, I'm not quite sure where Gordon's going with his point of "the secularist Turkish government mismanaged the economy, that's why the voters turned to the Islamists".

It's also the case that the Weimar governments mismanaged the economy, which is why voters turned to the Nazis. That fact has little bearing on a discussion of "is it a bad thing when Nazis come to power?".

503 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:09:15pm
504 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:09:31pm

re: #498 ploome hineni

After a week on rice, beans, and sausages.

505 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:09:45pm

re: #487 ploome hineni

re: #462 galloping granny

its called a crock pot...slow cooker

throw everything in and plug it in overnight

used cookbook...less tan 5$

food...priceless

beans, legumes, barley and vegetables cheap

fish is cheap, even meat is cheap...chicken less than $1 a pound

turkey even less


I buy whole chickens on sale and stick them in the deep freezer (bought used) for later use. I shove one in the crock pot with veggies and broth or water and BAM! I get home from work and it's Chicken soup. Rump roasts (bought on sale) make great stews!

506 vagabond trader  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:09:57pm

[Link: web.israelinsider.com...]


This is old, but I bet it is still relevant.

507 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:10:10pm
508 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:10:23pm

re: #502 Occasional Reader


As I said earlier, Hitler ended unemployment.

509 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:11:01pm

re: #495 easy

So I guess 2 dozen oysters grilled in garlic butter topped wiith grated Parmesan following a bowl of chicken andouille/gumbo is not good.

Oh, it's good alright. What time is supper?

510 J.S.  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:11:29pm

re: #470 mondoreb

ah, I see. Although I'm still confused by Gordon's comments -- including that "jingoistic" reference -- (?) -- was that Gordon's reference to Turkey massing troops along the Iraq border? (eh, don't know).

(I also recall reading something about the term "secular" -- or how Turks use the term and it is not the same as our understanding of "secular" -- but, I've forgotten the difference. have to look it up.)

511 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:11:42pm

re: #505 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

[Link: www.m-w.com...]

512 jcm  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:11:57pm

re: #495 easy

So I guess 2 dozen oysters grilled in garlic butter topped wiith grated Parmesan following a bowl of chicken andouille/gumbo is not good.

My comfort snack.
Kempers Orange Creme.
and
Breyers Vanilla.
Make a very large float.

513 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:12:06pm

We got a slow cooker as a wedding present. I'm still not sure what the heck to do with it. I eye it with suspicion every time I'm in the kitchen. Look at it, sitting there smugly, biding its time... oh, we'll see who has the last laugh, my All-Clad friend.

514 maddogg  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:12:15pm

re: #243 MandyManners

re: #237 storagemanager


re: #232 MandyManners

re: #224 Sifty
My nightmare is a tornado dropping an 18-wheeler full of spiders on my front lawn.

Now that would be a good movie.

Better than motherfuckin' snakes on a plane!


Mandy, I don't understand the prejudice against snakes. I used to keep pet rattle snakes among others. Took them out to play with pretty regular. I don't get why so many people are so afraid of snakes.

515 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:12:45pm

When I was a wee lad, and me poor fadder had to sell off some of me brothers and sisters, all we had to eat was toast and bacon fat.

516 hayseed  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:12:46pm

is haggis cheap to make

517 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:13:29pm

re: #513 Occasional Reader

We got a slow cooker as a wedding present. I'm still not sure what the heck to do with it. I eye it with suspicion every time I'm in the kitchen. Look at it, sitting there smugly, biding its time... oh, we'll see who has the last laugh, my All-Clad friend.

I envy you your All-Clad slow cooker. All-Clad is teh hawtness in cookery.

518 easy  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:14:04pm

re: #509 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
Oh, it's good alright. What time is supper?

That was lunch, haven't planned supper yet.

519 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:14:50pm

re: #516 hayseed

is haggis cheap to make

Yeah, but the scotch you need to drink in order to actually bring yourself to eat the Haggis can blow your grocery budget for the week.

520 southernborn  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:15:18pm

re: #6 daledog
Former islamic is like a former homosexual. I dont believe it exists

521 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:15:19pm

re: #514 maddogg

I don't get why so many people are so afraid of snakes.

Maybe it has something to do with the Garden of Eden.

522 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:15:21pm

Anyway, who needs a slow cooker when you've got a V-6?

523 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:15:27pm
1 sheep's lung (illegal in the U.S.; may be omitted if not available)

Psst. Fellar! Wanna buy some lung?

524 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:15:29pm
525 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:15:33pm

re: #486 mondoreb

re: #455 Gordon


Well, Well, Well, I see that my long and fact-filled post has generated the usual content-free comments from the usual suspects. Hello, Storage Manager, Mahmoud Ed, Kosovo-Manzikert, Mandy Manners, Beaver Cleaver, and the rest! I'm glad I was apparently missed.

Gotta hand to you...you got flair when you're calling the Lizards out.

Feeling sluggish? Try a little Gordon!

I'll get back to you for the rest.


I was starting to miss Nodrog. He is the shot of Tabasco that alone burns, and is unpleasant, but which makes a Bloody mary cocktail perfect.

Or maybe Vermouth (wormwood wine) is a better example. Tastes terrible, too much spoils the Martini, but just a couple of drops adds the right balance.

526 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:15:45pm

re: #511 Ben Hur

re: #505 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

[Link: www.m-w.com...]


Why'd you send that to me?

527 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:16:00pm

re: #455 Gordon

can more correctly state that Turkey has been notoriously paranoid about "Turkishness,"

THAT would be correct now, yes.

These policies have certainly not worsened under the current government - in fact, policies in these areas have slowly improved.

I would agree that they have not worsened. But they were improving in hopes of joining the EU before the Islamists came to power; the Islamists just followed precedent here.

On the Economy: Decidedly a mixed bag from the 1970s on, and the only argument is of degrees.

So yes, this thread has exhibited hysteria about the situation, although you, thankfully, seem to be immune to it.

Thank you.
BUT, I will still maintain that although everyone is perhaps not up-to-date about Turkish politics, to call it "hysteria" seems to me like an incitement.

528 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:16:04pm
529 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:16:16pm

Scotty Beauchamp gets a sympathetic airing in Newsweak:
The future is murkier for Pvt. Scott Beauchamp, whose shocking tales in The New Republic—including a soldier wearing a fragment of a child's skull—were disputed by bloggers, notably at The Weekly Standard. The influential magazine, which in 1998 was hurt badly by a writer's serial fabrications, said in two editor's notes it had re-reported Beauchamp's work and stood by it, except for one error: one anecdote took place in Kuwait, not Iraq.

But the editors have had no contact with Beauchamp in weeks, and efforts to corroborate his work have stalled. His wife, Elspeth Reeve, a fact-checker at the magazine, said his cell phone and laptop had been confiscated; that he is permitted to speak only to her, his mother and a lawyer, and that some calls are supervised.


[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

530 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:16:32pm

re: #518 easy

re: #509 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
Oh, it's good alright. What time is supper?

That was lunch, haven't planned supper yet.


You in Nawlins, dawlin?

531 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:16:49pm

re: #513 Occasional Reader

All-Clad friend.

532 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:16:55pm

Coming in late here (Damn work actually intruding into my work day)

A devout Muslim with a background in political Islam

As opposed to the usual devout muslim with a background in chaos, murder and mayhem islam.

533 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:17:08pm
534 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:17:19pm
535 zmdavid  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:17:21pm

I think obesity is caused by sitting in front of a computer clicking "new comments" all day.

536 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:17:31pm

re: #526 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Well, first off, I decided to finally look up what your nic means.

And I thought you'd want to hear it.

I don't know.

I thought it was funny.

I'm in a silly mood.

537 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:17:44pm

re: #525 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

re: #486 mondoreb


re: #455 Gordon


Well, Well, Well, I see that my long and fact-filled post has generated the usual content-free comments from the usual suspects. Hello, Storage Manager, Mahmoud Ed, Kosovo-Manzikert, Mandy Manners, Beaver Cleaver, and the rest! I'm glad I was apparently missed.

Gotta hand to you...you got flair when you're calling the Lizards out.
Feeling sluggish? Try a little Gordon!

I'll get back to you for the rest.


I was starting to miss Nodrog. He is the shot of Tabasco that alone burns, and is unpleasant, but which makes a Bloody mary cocktail perfect.

Or maybe Vermouth (wormwood wine) is a better example. Tastes terrible, too much spoils the Martini, but just a couple of drops adds the right balance.


Ed, Ed, Ed...I love the poetry of drinking.

538 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:18:05pm

That last bit is a little confusing, makes it sound like the Weekly Standard has truth problems.
The future is murkier for Pvt. Scott Beauchamp, whose shocking tales in The New Republic—including a soldier wearing a fragment of a child's skull—were disputed by bloggers, notably at The Weekly Standard. The influential magazine, which in 1998 was hurt badly by a writer's serial fabrications, said in two editor's notes it had re-reported Beauchamp's work and stood by it, except for one error: one anecdote took place in Kuwait, not Iraq.

539 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:19:09pm

re: #499 Ben Hur

Only an Indian can sneak up on an Indian.

Damn, another keeper.

540 jcm  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:19:14pm

re: #535 zmdavid

I think obesity is caused by sitting in front of a computer clicking "new comments" all day.

So is low productivity at work.

541 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:19:29pm
542 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:19:30pm

Gordon should only apply his litmus test to the Bush administration's successes and the state of the US economy (after terror attacks and 2 wars), the yob market, poverty being down, etc etc.

543 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:20:44pm

re: #526 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #511 Ben Hur


re: #505 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

[Link: www.m-w.com...]


Why'd you send that to me?

It was someone saying your nic, no?

544 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:21:09pm
545 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:21:12pm
546 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:21:12pm

re: #534 ploome hineni

re: #505 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

after holidays, Easter=ham, THanksgiving =Turkey etc...

I always stock up on frozen chickens after holidays..I keep them frozen also

I don;t eat much meat anymore, I steam fish, talapia, pompano and carp or whitefish...I put a bouquet garnis into the water used for steaming, and then use that broth as a soup base
saute leeks, red pepper, some garlic and celery, then the soup stock
throw in bock choi, mushrooms, tomato...anything really, add more water and season to taste

yum my and low calorie

That sounds yummy! I just copied and pasted to print and bring home.

547 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:21:32pm

re: #517 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

All-Clad is teh hawtness in cookery.

They apparently are, but frankly, I'm not sure that it matters very much. I mean, there's not a whole lot of technology that needs to go into a frying pan. But since other people were paying for this stuff (wedding registry), we figured, hey, why not the best? (ugh, that was Jimmy Carter's campaign slogan)

548 hayseed  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:21:32pm

re: #535 zmdavid

that's rich!

549 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:21:35pm

re: #519 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

More like a month!

/There is no excuse for cheap scotch.

550 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:21:52pm

re: #536 Ben Hur

re: #526 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Well, first off, I decided to finally look up what your nic means.

And I thought you'd want to hear it.

I don't know.

I thought it was funny.

I'm in a silly mood.


Ahhh...Thank you. I'm in a semi silly mood today.

551 Highrise  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:22:32pm

re: #107 zombie

re: #87 Eowyn2


Do you have a new photo shoot up?

Yup. It was last night's dead thread here on LGF, for one.

As usual, zombie makes it seem like you are actually there watching this go on.

552 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:22:39pm

re: #545 ploome hineni

Doesn;t it come with a little cookbook?

google for recipes

Yeah, yeah, I know... but that requires this "planning ahead" stuff I keep hearing about.

553 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:22:44pm

re: #535 zmdavid

I think obesity is caused by sitting in front of a computer clicking "new comments" all day.

ROFLMAO!

554 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:22:45pm

re: #484 Killgore Trout

re: #463 jcm

My favorite move is when they pay for their junkfood with foodstamps and then pay separately with cash for booze, smokes and fashion magazines.

At least they aren't selling the foodstamps for 1/2 the value so they can buy booze and cigs if they are paying for the junkfood.

The welfare system sucks.
Best example I can come up with.
In October, Welfare recipient gets part time job at chain store and works 20 hours a week. Turns in papers and the money is deducted from November welfare check. No problem, Christmas is still on the way; works 30 hours a week. Money is deducted from December welfare check. No problem, Christmas is coming. Works 40 hours a week in December, buys Christmas presents. Money is deducted from January check. No money for rent. Everyone on welfare knows how this works. They know what a hassle the state puts them through when this happens. Technically, if I give a high school graduate 50 bucks and his/her parent is on welfare, that parent must report that 50 dollars as "family income"

555 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:23:18pm

re: #545 ploome hineni

re: #513 Occasional Reader


We got a slow cooker as a wedding present. I'm still not sure what the heck to do with it. I eye it with suspicion every time I'm in the kitchen. Look at it, sitting there smugly, biding its time... oh, we'll see who has the last laugh, my All-Clad friend.

you cannot go wrong with a slow cooker. Doesn;t it come with a little cookbook?

google for recipes

A slow cooker is the greatest kitchen appliance ever.

556 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:23:43pm

re: #528 Iron Fist

re: #476 ploome hineni,

I think Obama is the worst of a decidedly thin field of Presidential Candidates. If this is the best the two parties can give us, maybe we need new parties.


After the comment to Iowa farmers about the price of arugula at Whole Foods, I decided nobody can be that dumb, and Osama is a Hillary plant to make The Pantsuit Stalin look capable by comparison.

557 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:24:14pm

re: #544 song_and_dance_man

ROLFLAO

558 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:24:16pm

Ben Hur,

Gordon should only apply his litmus test to the Bush administration's successes and the state of the US economy (after terror attacks and 2 wars), the yob market, poverty being down, etc etc.

The yob market? Has the Bush Persidency seen a spike in the number of uncouth, blue collar British louts in America?

559 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:24:18pm
560 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:24:32pm

re: #547 Occasional Reader

re: #517 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


All-Clad is teh hawtness in cookery.

They apparently are, but frankly, I'm not sure that it matters very much. I mean, there's not a whole lot of technology that needs to go into a frying pan. But since other people were paying for this stuff (wedding registry), we figured, hey, why not the best? (ugh, that was Jimmy Carter's campaign slogan)


It does matter. It's a whole metal and heat displacement thingy. That and a nice set of cookware will last and last (I have some of my mom's from her wedding in 66). Most importantly though...All-Clad looks great hanging on a pot rack.

561 jcm  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:25:13pm

re: #547 Occasional Reader

re: #517 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

All-Clad is teh hawtness in cookery.

They apparently are, but frankly, I'm not sure that it matters very much. I mean, there's not a whole lot of technology that needs to go into a frying pan. But since other people were paying for this stuff (wedding registry), we figured, hey, why not the best? (ugh, that was Jimmy Carter's campaign slogan)

Frying pan, cast iron and only cast iron. A properly season cast iron pan is non-stick distributes heat evenly. Cast iron fry pans and heavy gauge stainless pots and a good set of knives, forget about the rest. IMHO

562 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:25:21pm
563 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:25:32pm

re: #552 Occasional Reader

re: #545 ploome hineni


Doesn;t it come with a little cookbook?

google for recipes


Yeah, yeah, I know... but that requires this "planning ahead" stuff I keep hearing about.


Nah...toss meat, water, veggies (clean them) and seasoning into the pot. Plug it in, turn it on...presto hours later dinner.

564 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:25:34pm

re: #455 Gordon

My point was how you on the left were crowing about how wonderful Chavez was (as most lefties still are), even as he moves to cement his power and make sure that he serves as long as he likes. Moron.

565 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:25:36pm

re: #510 J.S.

ah, I see. Although I'm still confused by Gordon's comments -- including that "jingoistic" reference -- (?) -- was that Gordon's reference to Turkey massing troops along the Iraq border? (eh, don't know).

(I also recall reading something about the term "secular" -- or how Turks use the term and it is not the same as our understanding of "secular" -- but, I've forgotten the difference. have to look it up.)

Well, I don't think he's maintaining that the Turks are jingoistic now.

(I also recall reading something about the term "secular" -- or how Turks use the term and it is not the same as our understanding of "secular" -- but, I've forgotten the difference. have to look it up.)

On this, here's a link. There's a lot of them that you can go to. They are not an Islamic Middle Eastern country. They are a Middle Eastern country that happens to be Islamic. If that makes any sense.
[Link: turkeytravelplanner.com...]

566 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:26:10pm

re: #559 Iron Fist

re: #538 Peacekeeper,

I noticed that too. Deliberate obfuscation or just sloppy writing? I don't know, but either way it looks bad.

For a minute I thought I was being paranoid.

567 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:26:19pm
568 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:26:29pm

Tropical Disturbance 94L which probably menaces the East Coast as Hurricane Felix about September 7th, is gaining organization this afternoon.

569 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:27:18pm

re: #525 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

I was starting to miss Nodrog. He is the shot of Tabasco that alone burns, and is unpleasant, but which makes a Bloody mary cocktail perfect.

Or maybe Vermouth (wormwood wine) is a better example. Tastes terrible, too much spoils the Martini, but just a couple of drops adds the right balance.

I think you have exactly right here!
What doesn't kill us, makes us stronger.

570 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:27:32pm

re: #560 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

It's a whole metal and heat displacement thingy.

I agree that makes a difference between All-Clad and, say, China's Not So Finest Guaranteed No Longer Toxically-Painted Cookware. But I doubt that, for an average cook, anyway, it makes much difference whether one has All-Clad or another merely decent brand.

I do admire the quality of the metalwork, though.

571 jcm  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:28:21pm

re: #562 song_and_dance_man

I just had an Andy Rooney moment. Do they make mice for lefties? That is, left handed people. All the mice I have ever seen are shaped for the right. And why don't they, if they are not available?

Ask you shall receive.

572 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:28:22pm
573 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:28:36pm

re: #520 southernborn

re: #6 daledog
Former islamic is like a former homosexual. I dont believe it exists

For me, a better metaphor would be 'former islamist is like a former child molester.' The two are more equally offensive, in so many ways. I have problems with homosexuality, but don't feel it is a pressing problem on humanity, nor am I offended by being around one.

574 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:29:13pm

re: #572 song_and_dance_man

re: #568 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

I've never been drunk in a hurricane.

I have.

I've even drunk a Hurricane.

575 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:29:19pm

re: #554 Eowyn2

Solution: If you're going to have children, get married. Stay that way. Don't drink to excess, don't take drugs, and keep a job, even if it's only part-time.

Voila! The government is only stealing a tenth of your paycheck and isn't supervising your every breath (only about half).

576 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:29:24pm
577 DesertSage  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:29:24pm

Last year my house was worth more than it's worth this year. I trying to figure out why?

Last year we had a Republican Congress, this year we have a Democrat Congress.

Last year Bush was the President.
This year Bush is the President.

The only thing that's changed is the Democrats now control Congress.

578 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:29:43pm

Can't go wrong letting chunks of mid-quality beef, sliced carrots and potatoes, onions, water, salt & pepper and a few cloves of garlic sit all day in the slow cooker.

579 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:30:14pm

re: #534 ploome hineni

If you have a real Asian market nearby (the ones that smell really bad and have no non-asains walking around) are a great source of cheap mushrooms. The one near me sells fresh Shitake mushrooms cheaper than those flavourless button mushrooms in the grocery store.

580 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:30:20pm

re: #563 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #552 Occasional Reader


re: #545 ploome hineni

Doesn;t it come with a little cookbook?
google for recipes

Yeah, yeah, I know... but that requires this "planning ahead" stuff I keep hearing about.

Nah...toss meat, water, veggies (clean them) and seasoning into the pot. Plug it in, turn it on...presto hours later dinner.

Pulch has it right.

581 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:30:21pm

re: #561 jcm

and a good set of knives

I'm jonesin' for a new set of good kitchen knives. My blushing bride points out (sensibly, I have to admit) that the ones we already have do that "cutting stuff" business perfectly adequately.

582 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:31:09pm

re: #562 song_and_dance_man

changing a mouse to left handed is done in the software. For us windows box users the change is made in the control panel.

583 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:31:26pm

re: #576 ploome hineni

re: #546 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

when I steam the fish, I put some dill weed into the fish cavity or drape the dill over the fish steak as I stem it.I find it cuts the ;fishy' taste, and gives the fissh a much fresher flavor

always buy dill at a chinese or ethnic grocer...I calculate the dill at my supermarket is 1.99 for 1/2 oz, or 32$ a pound!

Thanks for the tip. I use Sesame oil, rice wine vinegar and a bit of dijon mustard to make a glaze for my salmon. I bake mine wrapped in foil.

I've used fresh rosemary on fish, but never thought to try dill.

584 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:31:39pm

re: #511 Ben Hur

[Link: [Link: www.m-w.com...]...]

I put it in my favorites.
Not the word, the site.
It'll come in handy.

585 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:31:56pm

re: #533 song_and_dance_man

re: #498 ploome hineni


ah goredone

Wow, he has a twin engine back there!

I'll bet Larry Craig would just looove him!

586 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:31:59pm

re: #562 song_and_dance_man

I'm left-handed. I just changed my settings.

I'm using a Microsoft optical mouse w/ two buttons, and my keyboard drawer comes with a slide-out mouse deck that goes to either side.

587 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:32:03pm
588 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:32:10pm

re: #578 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Can't go wrong letting chunks of mid-quality beef, sliced carrots and potatoes, onions, water, salt & pepper and a few cloves of garlic sit all day in the slow cooker.


Yummm served with a nice crusty loaf of warm HEB french bread.

589 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:32:25pm

re: #555 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A slow cooker is the greatest kitchen appliance ever.

I should have know you'd take its side.

590 hayseed  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:32:38pm

fish cavity sounds kinda sick?

591 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:32:56pm

I pop into a thread about turkey and people are exchanging recipes and talking about frying pans.

Was it the name Turkey that made everyone hungary?

592 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:32:56pm

re: #590 hayseed

fish cavity sounds kinda sick?

LOL

593 OldLineTexan  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:33:15pm

re: #558 Dirk Diggler

Ben Hur,

Gordon should only apply his litmus test to the Bush administration's successes and the state of the US economy (after terror attacks and 2 wars), the yob market, poverty being down, etc etc.

The yob market? Has the Bush Persidency seen a spike in the number of uncouth, blue collar British louts in America?

A yob is what Carlos Mencia says the average illegal from Mexico has four of.

And yes, I know that's tortured English. Seethe if you must.

OldLineTexan

594 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:33:17pm

Big Iran News- the head lunatic STILL does not think the US is serious.

Ahmadinejad dismissed the possibility of any U.S. military action against Iran.

"I tell you resolutely that there is no possibility, whatsoever, of such a decision in the U.S.," Ahmadinejad told reporters. "Even, if they were to decide to do so, they would be unable to carry it out."

U.S. has accused Iran of being behind attacks on U.S. troops in Iraq—a claim the Iraqi government has only partially backed, saying Iran could have a role in the attacks. Iran has denied the accusations.

595 jcm  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:33:24pm

re: #576 ploome hineni

re: #546 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

when I steam the fish, I put some dill weed into the fish cavity or drape the dill over the fish steak as I stem it.I find it cuts the ;fishy' taste, and gives the fissh a much fresher flavor

always buy dill at a chinese or ethnic grocer...I calculate the dill at my supermarket is 1.99 for 1/2 oz, or 32$ a pound!

I cook middle eastern, Persian to be exact since I grew up there.
Try saffron.
$6.76 per gram
$3062 per pound.

596 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:33:25pm

re: #591 Silhouette

I pop into a thread about turkey and people are exchanging recipes and talking about frying pans.

Was it the name Turkey that made everyone hungary?

Ba dum bum

597 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:33:39pm

I use my mouse left-handed with regularity; partly to avoid carpal tunnel, partly just to develop "weak hand" dexterity. I find it takes very little time to get used to using it left-handed.

598 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:33:56pm

re: #581 Occasional Reader

Try here for ideas.

599 sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:34:23pm

re: #586 Dianna

re: #562 song_and_dance_man

I'm left-handed. I just changed my settings.

I'm using a Microsoft optical mouse w/ two buttons, and my keyboard drawer comes with a slide-out mouse deck that goes to either side.

You mean I can change the settings to make my mouse left-handed?

I'm left handed and I've been suffering like a fool for nothing.
This will add much more spontaneity to my love life.

600 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:34:40pm

re: #588 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I'm allergic to gluten. Thanks for making me feel bad.

601 Golem Akbar  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:34:51pm

re: #564 Ward Cleaver

re: #455 Gordon

My point was how you on the left were crowing about how wonderful Chavez was (as most lefties still are), even as he moves to cement his power and make sure that he serves as long as he likes. Moron.


MAN! I go away for the morning, and miss the sparring with the infamous Nodrog. It's been a long time. Maybe Kos didn't like his (semi) satiric comments?

602 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:34:54pm

re: #595 jcm

re: #576 ploome hineni


re: #546 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

when I steam the fish, I put some dill weed into the fish cavity or drape the dill over the fish steak as I stem it.I find it cuts the ;fishy' taste, and gives the fissh a much fresher flavor

always buy dill at a chinese or ethnic grocer...I calculate the dill at my supermarket is 1.99 for 1/2 oz, or 32$ a pound!


I cook middle eastern, Persian to be exact since I grew up there.
Try saffron.
$6.76 per gram
$3062 per pound.


I can't afford saffron...is that three thousand sixty two dollars a pound?

603 sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:35:28pm

re: #595 jcm

re: #576 ploome hineni

re: #546 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

when I steam the fish, I put some dill weed into the fish cavity or drape the dill over the fish steak as I stem it.I find it cuts the ;fishy' taste, and gives the fissh a much fresher flavor

always buy dill at a chinese or ethnic grocer...I calculate the dill at my supermarket is 1.99 for 1/2 oz, or 32$ a pound!

I cook middle eastern, Persian to be exact since I grew up there.
Try saffron.
$6.76 per gram
$3062 per pound.

Big Saffron is ripping us off!

604 zmdavid  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:35:38pm

re: #591 Silhouette

I pop into a thread about turkey and people are exchanging recipes and talking about frying pans.

Was it the name Turkey that made everyone hungary?


Your comment is homophonic.

605 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:35:49pm

re: #600 rab3

re: #588 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I'm allergic to gluten. Thanks for making me feel bad.


Well you don't have to have the bread. Breathing is more important.

606 Golem Akbar  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:35:58pm

re: #596 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #591 Silhouette


I pop into a thread about turkey and people are exchanging recipes and talking about frying pans.

Was it the name Turkey that made everyone hungary?


Ba dum bum

No, but comments like that can cause a lot of Belgium.

607 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:36:19pm

re: #595 jcm

I was in China a few years ago and stocked up on a lifetime supply of saffron.

608 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:36:28pm

re: #589 Occasional Reader

re: #555 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


A slow cooker is the greatest kitchen appliance ever.

I should have know you'd take its side.

Of course. I used to have one in the barracks. Toss some beef and seasoning into it, go to work and come back to beef stew. Great when you were working nights.

609 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:36:37pm

re: #588 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Great ! Now I'm really hungry!
Drudge Report...
Some Institute in Geneva say's that Americans have more fire arms per capita than any where else in the world!
I'm afraid they're going to come in handy sooner than later!
Off Topic you say?
I don't think so!

610 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:37:14pm

re: #591 Silhouette


YES!

611 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:37:22pm
612 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:37:23pm

re: #598 lawhawk

I wanted to get Global steak knives! My wifey didn't like 'em. We got these Wursthoff (sp?) ones instead that are TERRIBLY balanced. They have a pronounced tendency to slide off the rim of your plate, and head either into the gravy, or off the plate entirely and toward your groin or foot.

613 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:37:48pm

re: #572 song_and_dance_man

re: #568 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

I've never been drunk in a hurricane.


When it was obvious that Hurricane Rita would not make a direct hit on Houston, I started imbibing wine. When the lights and AC went out, my wife came out to find me sitting in front of a dark TV (we only had a 56k smoke signal modem at home then) and became somewhat upset, but I assured her that if the lights were out and the house was getting warm, that was no reason not to get buzzed on the wine.


Power came back on about 15 hours later, and Texas wasn't playing that day during their National Championship season. A few neighborhood traffic lights got turned about 45°, making it hard to say who had the green, a few fences blew down, along with some tree limbs. Mi suegra's avocado tree, which had been making fruit for a couple of years, uprooted. They trimmed it to lighten it up, and replanted it, but it died.


It was grown from a bulb, but I've tried that twice, and lost them in winter frosts both times, despite frost-wrapping.


During Hurricane Belle a few decades back, the people whose house we evacuated to had cable and HBO, and I was seeing the MPAA screen for an "R" rated movie, which would have been my first ever (my parents were in NYC where my sister (she got better- it wasn't cancer after all) was having surgery), when the lights fell.

Belle was a disappointment, there was no storm surge in our neighborhood in Nassau Shores (Massapequa), but across the street, a weeping willow tree did uproot and poke a hole through the Smith's roof. Vickie Smith lived there, she had childhood diabetes, but was sort of cute. Active, at a fairly early age. She was a year older than me, and had hickies. My early times alone in the bathroom were imagining her...

Never mind.

614 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:37:57pm

re: #599 sifty

It's in the control panel. If you have a windows box. If you use a Mac you just talk nicely to it and it will magically change to left handed.

615 OldLineTexan  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:38:00pm

re: #600 rab3

re: #588 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I'm allergic to gluten. Thanks for making me feel bad.

PP will now have to have all posts cleared by the WaPo for cultural sensitivity.

Thank God there were no peanuts or equipment used in handling peanuts involved.

OldLineTexan

616 PISSED  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:38:15pm

re: #606 Golem Akbar

re: #596 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


re: #591 Silhouette

I pop into a thread about turkey and people are exchanging recipes and talking about frying pans.
Was it the name Turkey that made everyone hungary?

Ba dum bum

No, but comments like that can cause a lot of Belgium.

WAFFLES? with whipped cream and fresh fruit? yum

617 sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:39:11pm

re: #611 song_and_dance_man

re: #599 sifty

This will add much more spontaneity to my love life.

I shouldn't reply since your quote, although intriguing, may be Title 7.

I merely point to the scientific fact that forcing people to change handedness causes stu stu stu stu stuttering.

618 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:39:25pm

re: #603 sifty

re: #595 jcm

Big Saffron is ripping us off!

Well, I dont know about you, but I'm just wild about Saffron.

619 hayseed  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:39:43pm

Ben Franklin and turkey

Franklin's Letter to His Daughter (excerpt)

"For my own part I wish the Bald Eagle had not been chosen the Representative of our Country. He is a Bird of bad moral Character. He does not get his Living honestly. You may have seen him perched on some dead Tree near the River, where, too lazy to fish for himself, he watches the Labour of the Fishing Hawk; and when that diligent Bird has at length taken a Fish, and is bearing it to his Nest for the Support of his Mate and young Ones, the Bald Eagle pursues him and takes it from him.

"With all this Injustice, he is never in good Case but like those among Men who live by Sharping & Robbing he is generally poor and often very lousy. Besides he is a rank Coward: The little King Bird not bigger than a Sparrow attacks him boldly and drives him out of the District. He is therefore by no means a proper Emblem for the brave and honest Cincinnati of America who have driven all the King birds from our Country . . .

"I am on this account not displeased that the Figure is not known as a Bald Eagle, but looks more like a Turkey. For the Truth the Turkey is in Comparison a much more respectable Bird, and withal a true original Native of America . . . He is besides, though a little vain & silly, a Bird of Courage, and would not hesitate to attack a Grenadier of the British Guards who should presume to invade his Farm Yard with a red Coat on."

620 J.S.  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:39:49pm

re: #565 mondoreb

I recall now the difference -- when Americans use the term "secular' they tend to think of a separation of government from church/mosque institutions. The two do not overlap. Not so in Turkey -- it's not a "separation", rather it's a governmental control of religion...or, as some suggest, it's the suppression of religion...(for example, only three minority -- non-Muslim -- faiths are officially recognized...) The Turkish government also oversees all Muslim religious affairs...

621 OldLineTexan  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:39:55pm

re: #607 Killgore Trout

re: #595 jcm

I was in China a few years ago and stocked up on a lifetime supply of saffron.

Can you imagine trying to bring it through Customs now?

OldLineTexan

622 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:39:58pm
623 jcm  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:40:21pm

re: #581 Occasional Reader

re: #561 jcm

and a good set of knives

I'm jonesin' for a new set of good kitchen knives. My blushing bride points out (sensibly, I have to admit) that the ones we already have do that "cutting stuff" business perfectly adequately.

If you do a moderate to a lot of cooking, and or enjoy it, for that matter if you don't like to cook, a good set of knives will make a huge difference. A good knife makes all the cutting and chopping much, much easier, your prep time will be cut in half if not more. Buy small set, chef's, craving and paring knife and see what you think. This a starter set of what I use.

There is no such thing as "never sharpen", a good set you'll have either learn to sharpen, or take to a knife shop and then touch up frequently, don't use electric sharpener.

624 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:40:22pm

re: #612 Occasional Reader

re: #598 lawhawk

I wanted to get Global steak knives! My wifey didn't like 'em. We got these Wursthoff (sp?) ones instead that are TERRIBLY balanced. They have a pronounced tendency to slide off the rim of your plate, and head either into the gravy, or off the plate entirely and toward your groin or foot.

Well at least you don't try to catch yours, do you? I tried to catch a falling knife once.


Just once.


It was an instinct, I saw something falling and went to catch it.

I only had the knife catching instinct once.

I also have a lovely scar on one hand and a tendancy to jump away from falling knives.

625 Highrise  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:40:50pm

re: #157 JammieWearingFool

Good news:

We have more guns than anybody.

A lot more.

Let's hope we stay that way.

The biggest thing we face is for people to understand how powerful and NEEDED the 2nd amendment is for our survival. It is disheartening how many people who don't know a thing about guns spew silly rhetoric that the anti gun people have developed in order to put more and more restrictions on guns.

626 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:41:11pm

re: #575 Dianna

re: #554 Eowyn2

Solution: If you're going to have children, get married. Stay that way. Don't drink to excess, don't take drugs, and keep a job, even if it's only part-time.

Voila! The government is only stealing a tenth of your paycheck and isn't supervising your every breath (only about half).

Spoken with the best intentions but, the best laid plans of mice and men yada yada yada.

1) I was married
2) I dont drink to excess and never have
3) I've never done drugs
4) I kept a job from the time I was 15 until the daycare became more than my paycheck at 25.

My charming husband ran off with a trollop because he couldnt handle the responsibility of life. I suppose I could have stayed married but that would have been rather stupid. I had two options: 4.10/hr or welfare and college. I took the college. So we lived on welfare for a few years and I only used the bare minimum (no section 8 housing; 3 kids visits to the ER in 4 years) I've paid much more into the system than I ever took out and I havent paid 10% in taxes for some years now, though I wish I could again.

Do not judge until you know all of the facts.

627 Wishing  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:41:41pm

Hi all...
Not sure if u saw the latest on WND:
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's office today presented the Palestinian Authority with a formal plan in which the Jewish state would forfeit the Temple Mount – Judaism's holiest site – to Muslim control, according to top Palestinian sources.

link

All i could do was cry...

628 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:41:42pm

re: #612 Occasional Reader

I just bought a Kitchen Aid chef's knife. I like it so much I think I'm going to buy a full set of Kitchen Aid knives, they have a great feel.

629 Golem Akbar  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:41:56pm

re: #617 sifty

re: #611 song_and_dance_man


re: #599 sifty

This will add much more spontaneity to my love life.

I shouldn't reply since your quote, although intriguing, may be Title 7.

I merely point to the scientific fact that forcing people to change handedness causes stu stu stu stu stuttering.

I was told stuttering was caused by master...bbb...ation. BBBut, what do I know?

630 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:42:04pm

re: #612 Occasional Reader

I've been looking at getting new knives and just need to try 'em out. Also want to look at those in a restaurant supply house to see if those meet my needs (and are likely to be cheaper and more durable than the name brand stuff).

Nothing beats a well crafted and balanced knife for food prep.

631 jcm  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:42:06pm

re: #602 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #595 jcm

re: #576 ploome hineni


re: #546 The Pulchritudinous Patriotwhen I steam the fish, I put some dill weed into the fish cavity or drape the dill over the fish steak as I stem it.I find it cuts the ;fishy' taste, and gives the fissh a much fresher flavor

always buy dill at a chinese or ethnic grocer...I calculate the dill at my supermarket is 1.99 for 1/2 oz, or 32$ a pound!


I cook middle eastern, Persian to be exact since I grew up there.
Try saffron.
$6.76 per gram
$3062 per pound.


I can't afford saffron...is that three thousand sixty two dollars a pound?

YEP!
Saffron

632 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:43:28pm

re: #621 OldLineTexan

I bought so much I had to box it up and ship it to myself. Maybe I should have it checked for arsenic before I use anymore of it.

633 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:43:51pm

re: #615 OldLineTexan

re: #600 rab3


re: #588 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I'm allergic to gluten. Thanks for making me feel bad.


PP will now have to have all posts cleared by the WaPo for cultural sensitivity.

Thank God there were no peanuts or equipment used in handling peanuts involved.

OldLineTexan


Oh shit! I forgot to wash my hands!

634 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:44:16pm

OR
"I find it takes very little time to get used to using it left-handed."

What was the word? Lagnaippe?

635 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:44:17pm

re: #622 song_and_dance_man

re: #585 bikermailman


re: #533 song_and_dance_man

re: #498 ploome hineni

ah goredone

Wow, he has a twin engine back there!

I'll bet Larry Craig would just looove him!

Double the pleasure, double the fun. Now if only the Clapper Crapper could be installed.

We ARE talking Larry Craig here, ya know.

636 sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:44:27pm

re: #629 Golem Akbar

re: #617 sifty

re: #611 song_and_dance_man


re: #599 sifty


This will add much more spontaneity to my love life.


I shouldn't reply since your quote, although intriguing, may be Title 7.


I merely point to the scientific fact that forcing people to change handedness causes stu stu stu stu stuttering.

I was told stuttering was caused by master...bbb...ation. BBBut, what do I know?

I was going to read about that study, but they didn't have it in Braille.

637 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:45:03pm

re: #623 jcm

There is no such thing as "never sharpen"

[sigh] Yeah, I know. Unfortunately I didn't know that when I bought my current knife set (about 15 years ago).

Eh, 15 years of using half-ass knives is probably more than enough, isn't it? And we've still got some Williams Sonoma gift credits. Hmm.

638 hayseed  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:45:06pm

high school soccer game calls...ya'll be good

639 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:45:24pm

re: #630 lawhawk

re: #612 Occasional Reader

I've been looking at getting new knives and just need to try 'em out. Also want to look at those in a restaurant supply house to see if those meet my needs (and are likely to be cheaper and more durable than the name brand stuff).

Nothing beats a well crafted and balanced knife for food prep.

Welcome to the LGF metrosexual roundup! Your hosts today...

640 maddogg  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:45:27pm

re: #626 Eowyn2

That is what welfare was intended for, not what it became. You have no stigma, but you do have my respect.

641 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:45:44pm

re: #599 sifty

Go to the control panel.

The only time I had trouble was with my first laptop, and that was many, many moons ago.

642 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:45:55pm

re: #605 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #600 rab3


re: #588 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I'm allergic to gluten. Thanks for making me feel bad.


Well you don't have to have the bread. Breathing is more important.

RAB: Can you eat Kamut Bread?

643 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:46:15pm
644 OldLineTexan  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:46:16pm

re: #633 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #615 OldLineTexan


re: #600 rab3

re: #588 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
I'm allergic to gluten. Thanks for making me feel bad.

PP will now have to have all posts cleared by the WaPo for cultural sensitivity.
Thank God there were no peanuts or equipment used in handling peanuts involved.

OldLineTexan


Oh shit! I forgot to wash my hands!

LOL. Thanks, PP.

OldLineTexan

645 jcm  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:46:31pm

re: #626 Eowyn2

You right of course. Did you get married with the intention of becoming a single mother on welfare? I would guess not. There in lies the difference.

Life throws us curves, I am on my third career path. The difference is you picked yourself up and went off to college, you didn't lay in the ditch where life threw you and whined for handouts.

646 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:46:37pm
We got these Wursthoff (sp?) ones instead that are TERRIBLY balanced

Now that I think of it, I believe they're Henckels (recognized the logo from jcm's link).

The steel is very good, but like I said, terrible balance to the things.

647 NoSubmission  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:47:01pm

They're partying like it's 799 in Iraq.

648 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:47:06pm

re: #623 jcm

re: #581 Occasional Reader


re: #561 jcm

and a good set of knives

I'm jonesin' for a new set of good kitchen knives. My blushing bride points out (sensibly, I have to admit) that the ones we already have do that "cutting stuff" business perfectly adequately.

If you do a moderate to a lot of cooking, and or enjoy it, for that matter if you don't like to cook, a good set of knives will make a huge difference. A good knife makes all the cutting and chopping much, much easier, your prep time will be cut in half if not more. Buy small set, chef's, craving and paring knife and see what you think. This a starter set of what I use.

There is no such thing as "never sharpen", a good set you'll have either learn to sharpen, or take to a knife shop and then touch up frequently, don't use electric sharpener.

Nice knives.

I use Cutco...so I'm licky I didn't chop off my finger catching that knife.

I keep a sharpening stone and oil.
[Link: www.cutco.com...]

649 OldLineTexan  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:47:14pm

re: #632 Killgore Trout

re: #621 OldLineTexan

I bought so much I had to box it up and ship it to myself. Maybe I should have it checked for arsenic before I use anymore of it.

Melamine seems to be the current favorite "additive".

OldLineTexan

650 southernborn  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:47:23pm

#573 Bikermailman
re: #520 southernborn

re: #6 daledog
Former islamic is like a former homosexual. I dont believe it exists

For me, a better metaphor would be 'former islamist is like a former child molester.' The two are more equally offensive, in so many ways. I have problems with homosexuality, but don't feel it is a pressing problem on humanity, nor am I offended by being around one.

Oh, I didnt mean it that way, I just meant it can't be changed in my opinion

651 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:47:41pm
652 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:47:55pm

re: #626 Eowyn2

re: #575 Dianna


re: #554 Eowyn2

Solution: If you're going to have children, get married. Stay that way. Don't drink to excess, don't take drugs, and keep a job, even if it's only part-time.

Voila! The government is only stealing a tenth of your paycheck and isn't supervising your every breath (only about half).


Spoken with the best intentions but, the best laid plans of mice and men yada yada yada.

1) I was married
2) I dont drink to excess and never have
3) I've never done drugs
4) I kept a job from the time I was 15 until the daycare became more than my paycheck at 25.

My charming husband ran off with a trollop because he couldnt handle the responsibility of life. I suppose I could have stayed married but that would have been rather stupid. I had two options: 4.10/hr or welfare and college. I took the college. So we lived on welfare for a few years and I only used the bare minimum (no section 8 housing; 3 kids visits to the ER in 4 years) I've paid much more into the system than I ever took out and I havent paid 10% in taxes for some years now, though I wish I could again.

Do not judge until you know all of the facts.

Your type of case is the one I heartily favor my taxes going for. As a mailman, and living/working in a college town, I see both that type, and the total welfare cheat type. Thankfully, I can always separate the feelings I have when delivering the checks/statements/cards to the good'uns and the bad'uns.

653 Wishing  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:48:08pm

re: #647 NoSubmission

They're partying like it's 799 in Iraq.

...pay attention to logo on shirt

654 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:48:28pm

re: #634 Peacekeeper

And you passed on the obvious "swich-hitter" joke? What has become of the PK we knew and loved? Well, "knew", anyway.

655 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:49:12pm

re: #639 Peacekeeper

re: #630 lawhawk


re: #612 Occasional Reader

I've been looking at getting new knives and just need to try 'em out. Also want to look at those in a restaurant supply house to see if those meet my needs (and are likely to be cheaper and more durable than the name brand stuff).

Nothing beats a well crafted and balanced knife for food prep.


Welcome to the LGF metrosexual roundup! Your hosts today...


I'm a girl. Can girls be metrosexuals, or do they just "make great friends you can talk to about anything!"

656 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:49:40pm

re: #653 Wishing

I don't see anything. What am I missing?

657 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:50:12pm

re: #647 NoSubmission

They're partying like it's 799 in Iraq.


You forgot the "protect your keyboards and monitors from flying liquids" warning again.

658 OldLineTexan  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:50:25pm

re: #639 Peacekeeper

re: #630 lawhawk


re: #612 Occasional Reader

I've been looking at getting new knives and just need to try 'em out. Also want to look at those in a restaurant supply house to see if those meet my needs (and are likely to be cheaper and more durable than the name brand stuff).

Nothing beats a well crafted and balanced knife for food prep.


Welcome to the LGF metrosexual roundup! Your hosts today...

Fixed that for ya. Single guys, learn to cook. Married guys, learn to cook. Eating well is a pleasure meant to be shared, and it engenders gratitude, such as Kiss The Cook and beyond, if handled properly.

OldLineTexan

659 Render  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:50:33pm

Isn't Dr. Walid Phares a former Islamist?

Or Daveed Gartenstein-Ross?

FUTURE
JIHAD,
R

660 NoSubmission  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:50:41pm

re: #653 Wishing

re: #647 NoSubmission

They're partying like it's 799 in Iraq.

...pay attention to logo on shirt


Just caught that! LOL

661 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:51:19pm

re: #653 Wishing

re: #647 NoSubmission


They're partying like it's 799 in Iraq.

...pay attention to logo on shirt


Oh, thank heaven!

662 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:51:30pm

re: #640 maddogg

re: #626 Eowyn2

That is what welfare was intended for, not what it became. You have no stigma, but you do have my respect.

I completely agree that it is what welfare was intended for - a help up rather than a handout. HOWEVER, the system is broken. I was smart enough to get a degree. I was also first generation. When we have 4-5 generations knowing only that the government will feed and clothe them and they CANT do anything to better themselves (no reward) what are they going to do? If the welfare system allowed them 1 yr to work themselves from part time to full time without bouncing them out of medical and other benefits, it would encourage them to work because then they would have that added incentive - more money, maybe even a car that had less than 300K miles:)

663 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:51:40pm

re: #537 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Ed, Ed, Ed...I love the poetry of drinking

You said a mouthful. I read that several times. Ed is the Poet Laureate of adult beverages.

664 withaknow  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:51:41pm

I would most certainly hope that a hit of state will not be in Turkey's future. Both the U.S. gov't and the Turkish military need to take a step back and allow democratically-elected governments to run their course, regardless of whether we feel that it is in the national interest of the U.S..

Calm down everyone: Erdogan's government will be a moderate Islamic government. Isn't that what we in the U.S. would like to see more of? If they can pull it off correctly, it will be a model for the greater Middle East. Keep in mind that Turkey's military establishment has in recent years acted more and more illiberal, even if it shrines its rhetoric in a pro-secular stance. More important than protecting Turkey's secularism (which even the Islamic --NOT Islamist--parties have spoken in favor of) we should worry about protecting Turkey's democratic establishment, and that means supporting the Erdogan government.

665 Wishing  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:51:42pm

re: #656 MandyManners

sorry bout that Mandy...when i clicked on link, pic #2 was up

666 sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:51:54pm

re: #653 Wishing

re: #647 NoSubmission

They're partying like it's 799 in Iraq.

...pay attention to logo on shirt

They profile themselves!

Love the pictures of poor Angelina talking to refugees. Too bad they don't show here frantically scrubbing her hands with disinfectant after touching them, or the platoon of guards surrounding her to keep her safe. Uncovered meat indeed.

667 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:52:01pm

re: #639 Peacekeeper

Welcome to the LGF metrosexual roundup! Your hosts today...

STFU or I'll brain you with a charming monogrammed wine tumbler.

668 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:52:02pm

re: #658 OldLineTexan

re: #639 Peacekeeper


re: #630 lawhawk

re: #612 Occasional Reader
I've been looking at getting new knives and just need to try 'em out. Also want to look at those in a restaurant supply house to see if those meet my needs (and are likely to be cheaper and more durable than the name brand stuff).

Nothing beats a well crafted and balanced knife for food prep.


Welcome to the LGF metrosexual roundup! Your hosts today...

Fixed that for ya. Single guys, learn to cook. Married guys, learn to cook. Eating well is a pleasure meant to be shared, and it engenders gratitude, such as Kiss The Cook and beyond, if handled properly.

OldLineTexan

Damn straight!

669 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:52:13pm

re: #626 Eowyn2

re: #575 Dianna

re: #554 Eowyn2

Solution: If you're going to have children, get married. Stay that way. Don't drink to excess, don't take drugs, and keep a job, even if it's only part-time.

Voila! The government is only stealing a tenth of your paycheck and isn't supervising your every breath (only about half).

Spoken with the best intentions but, the best laid plans of mice and men yada yada yada.

1) I was married
2) I dont drink to excess and never have
3) I've never done drugs
4) I kept a job from the time I was 15 until the daycare became more than my paycheck at 25.

My charming husband ran off with a trollop because he couldnt handle the responsibility of life. I suppose I could have stayed married but that would have been rather stupid. I had two options: 4.10/hr or welfare and college. I took the college. So we lived on welfare for a few years and I only used the bare minimum (no section 8 housing; 3 kids visits to the ER in 4 years) I've paid much more into the system than I ever took out and I havent paid 10% in taxes for some years now, though I wish I could again.

Do not judge until you know all of the facts.

get married. Stay that way


I can see how "Eowyn2" does it being the sensitive lout that He/She is.

670 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:52:26pm

re: #645 jcm

re: #626 Eowyn2

You right of course. Did you get married with the intention of becoming a single mother on welfare? I would guess not. There in lies the difference.

Life throws us curves, I am on my third career path. The difference is you picked yourself up and went off to college, you didn't lay in the ditch where life threw you and whined for handouts.

I wanted to lie in that ditch but the dang kids kept poking me:)

671 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:52:32pm

re: #654 Occasional Reader

re: #634 Peacekeeper

And you passed on the obvious "swich-hitter" joke? What has become of the PK we knew and loved? Well, "knew", anyway.


672 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:52:50pm

What's the logo? I can't see it.

And shhh! Jerusalem is supposed to be the 3rd holiest site!

673 zmdavid  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:52:58pm

re: #626 Eowyn2
Someone's irresponsible behavior led to your case, in this case your ex. so Dianna's point is valid. Just because the irresponsible person isn't the one who ended up on welfare doesn't mean he didn't cause it.

674 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:53:17pm

Hamsters!

675 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:53:54pm

re: #626 Eowyn2

It's not you, specifically, that advice is aimed at. And you don't need to tell me that some people get royally shafted - my sister-in-law's first husband did much the same to her as your husband did to you - it's rather a given.

But you're the exception, not the rule.

Government rigidity about regulations, along with government laxity about admissions, and no plan for the recipient to move away from welfare, have created a situation which traps and infantilizes far too many people.

676 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:54:11pm
677 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:54:16pm

re: #642 Eowyn2

re: #605 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #600 rab3


re: #588 The Pulchritudinous PatriotI'm allergic to gluten. Thanks for making me feel bad.


Well you don't have to have the bread. Breathing is more important.

RAB: Can you eat Kamut Bread?

Not sure, the list of things I can't have seems to be endless.

678 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:54:18pm

I like cooking.

And turtles.

Though not cooking turtles.

679 NoSubmission  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:54:23pm

re: #672 Ben Hur

What's the logo? I can't see it.

And shhh! Jerusalem is supposed to be the 3rd holiest site!


It's on his shirt. Look again.

680 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:54:38pm

re: #655 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #639 Peacekeeper


re: #630 lawhawk

re: #612 Occasional Reader
I've been looking at getting new knives and just need to try 'em out. Also want to look at those in a restaurant supply house to see if those meet my needs (and are likely to be cheaper and more durable than the name brand stuff).

Nothing beats a well crafted and balanced knife for food prep.


Welcome to the LGF metrosexual roundup! Your hosts today...

I'm a girl. Can girls be metrosexuals, or do they just "make great friends you can talk to about anything!"

Gah! I'll add you to the list. Atlas, Babba, Lawhawk.

681 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:54:58pm

re: #669 rab3

re: #626 Eowyn2


re: #575 Dianna

re: #554 Eowyn2

Solution: If you're going to have children, get married. Stay that way. Don't drink to excess, don't take drugs, and keep a job, even if it's only part-time.

Voila! The government is only stealing a tenth of your paycheck and isn't supervising your every breath (only about half).


Spoken with the best intentions but, the best laid plans of mice and men yada yada yada.

1) I was married
2) I dont drink to excess and never have
3) I've never done drugs
4) I kept a job from the time I was 15 until the daycare became more than my paycheck at 25.

My charming husband ran off with a trollop because he couldnt handle the responsibility of life. I suppose I could have stayed married but that would have been rather stupid. I had two options: 4.10/hr or welfare and college. I took the college. So we lived on welfare for a few years and I only used the bare minimum (no section 8 housing; 3 kids visits to the ER in 4 years) I've paid much more into the system than I ever took out and I havent paid 10% in taxes for some years now, though I wish I could again.

Do not judge until you know all of the facts.



get married. Stay that way

I can see how "Eowyn2" does it being the sensitive lout that He/She is.

RAB: What did I say that was loutish?

682 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:55:27pm

re: #679 NoSubmission


OH! I was seeing a different pic.

How effen ironic is that?

I thought silly string would be un-Islamic

683 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:55:46pm

re: #613 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

THAT post was worth the price of admission.
Excellent!

684 traveler  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:56:17pm

re: #674 Peacekeeper

Hamsters Rule!

685 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:56:28pm

re: #654 Occasional Reader

re: #634 Peacekeeper

And you passed on the obvious "swich-hitter" joke? What has become of the PK we knew and loved? Well, "knew", anyway.


I'd say Gordon is out-polling us in the action-reaction department today and I for one am pissed.

686 NoSubmission  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:56:43pm

re: #666 sifty Her father is a great American. Too bad she's such a tool. Oh well...

687 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:57:02pm
688 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:57:36pm

Goin' home. Hey trav!

689 NoSubmission  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:57:46pm

re: #682 Ben Hur

re: #679 NoSubmission
OH! I was seeing a different pic.
How effen ironic is that?

I thought silly string would be un-Islamic


It is silly string? Or beer foam? Are party hats allowed? You decide.

690 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:57:51pm

Well it's 4pm and time for me to take my capitolist pig stock broker ass home from along day of screwing grannies out of their life savings by charging huge commissions and buying nothing but sub-prime financed hedge funds.

Ya'll have a nice evening.

691 sifty  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:58:04pm

re: #667 Occasional Reader

re: #639 Peacekeeper

Welcome to the LGF metrosexual roundup! Your hosts today...

STFU or I'll brain you with a charming monogrammed wine tumbler.

I will sooo brain you with this!

http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/2011426 5

692 jcm  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:58:23pm

re: #670 Eowyn2

re: #645 jcm

re: #626 Eowyn2

You right of course. Did you get married with the intention of becoming a single mother on welfare? I would guess not. There in lies the difference.

Life throws us curves, I am on my third career path. The difference is you picked yourself up and went off to college, you didn't lay in the ditch where life threw you and whined for handouts.

I wanted to lie in that ditch but the dang kids kept poking me:)

LOL!

693 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:58:27pm

re: #690 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


Enjoy

694 Highrise  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:59:03pm

re: #662 Eowyn2


Bless you and those like you.

I am GLAD we have it for people in your situation..I agree with you it's broken as I've watched a number of other people abuse it and I wish the gov't would do something about abusers. They are pretty blatant and aren't hard to spot..saw it when I was working in pharmacy.

I don't think many people realize the curveballs that are thrown to others. I was judged a few times by my divorce with my ex. He was a passive aggressive closet *I own you as my wife..so stfu*. No one believed me...my own mother even questioned me because I am not the type to tell people details that know me anyway and I just got sick of it all of a sudden.

People who have had their life perfectly laid out..and got lucky with their first guy..whoopeee..wish we all had that. Wish life were that simple to just make perfect decisions, newsflash..it isn't and we aren't always in control of what happens to us.

695 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 1:59:31pm

re: #675 Dianna

re: #626 Eowyn2

It's not you, specifically, that advice is aimed at. And you don't need to tell me that some people get royally shafted - my sister-in-law's first husband did much the same to her as your husband did to you - it's rather a given.

But you're the exception, not the rule.

Government rigidity about regulations, along with government laxity about admissions, and no plan for the recipient to move away from welfare, have created a situation which traps and infantilizes far too many people.

That was my whole point with the 1st post. The system is so broken it cant be fixed. I did have many friends in college who were in the same boat as I, both male and female. But I didnt have friends on welfare outside of those who went to college. I just realized that.

696 Peacekeeper  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:00:07pm

re: #688 Peacekeeper

Goin' home. Hey trav!

AND FIX THE TRANSMISSION ON MY TRACTOR. Fart too.

697 Highrise  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:00:19pm

re: #670 Eowyn2


I wanted to lie in that ditch but the dang kids kept poking me:)

I got a chuckle out of this...it's funny how they do that huh? I've battled a few things myself that my 2.5 yr old pokes me out of.

698 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:00:22pm

re: #694 Highrise

Man plans and G-d laughs.

699 stuck in california  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:00:41pm

I'm a meatcutter by trade, these are the best I have ever found, been using them at work for 30 years. I use a 6" curved blade, semi-flexible. Rosewood handle will never slip in your hand.

[Link: www.knivesplus.com...]

700 traveler  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:00:51pm

re: #696 Peacekeeper

Don't forget to scratch yourself and cough up lots of phlegm!

701 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:01:11pm

re: #699 stuck in california

I'm a meatcutter by trade, these are the best I have ever found, been using them at work for 30 years. I use a 6" curved blade, semi-flexible. Rosewood handle will never slip in your hand.

[Link: www.knivesplus.com...]

ARe you really?

How do you manage to type?

702 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:01:38pm
703 jcm  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:01:38pm

re: #691 sifty

re: #667 Occasional Reader

re: #639 Peacekeeper

Welcome to the LGF metrosexual roundup! Your hosts today...

STFU or I'll brain you with a charming monogrammed wine tumbler.

I will sooo brain you with this!

http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/produc ts/20114265

Braining requires a serious tool, my wife likes this one. I use it for cooking.

704 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:02:01pm

re: #694 Highrise

re: #662 Eowyn2


Bless you and those like you.

I am GLAD we have it for people in your situation..I agree with you it's broken as I've watched a number of other people abuse it and I wish the gov't would do something about abusers. They are pretty blatant and aren't hard to spot..saw it when I was working in pharmacy.

I don't think many people realize the curveballs that are thrown to others. I was judged a few times by my divorce with my ex. He was a passive aggressive closet *I own you as my wife..so stfu*. No one believed me...my own mother even questioned me because I am not the type to tell people details that know me anyway and I just got sick of it all of a sudden.

People who have had their life perfectly laid out..and got lucky with their first guy..whoopeee..wish we all had that. Wish life were that simple to just make perfect decisions, newsflash..it isn't and we aren't always in control of what happens to us.

I think I know your ex:)

705 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:02:14pm

re: #681 Eowyn2

re: #669 rab3

re: #626 Eowyn2


re: #575 Dianna


re: #554 Eowyn2Solution: If you're going to have children, get married. Stay that way. Don't drink to excess, don't take drugs, and keep a job, even if it's only part-time.

Voila! The government is only stealing a tenth of your paycheck and isn't supervising your every breath (only about half).


Spoken with the best intentions but, the best laid plans of mice and men yada yada yada. 1) I was married
2) I dont drink to excess and never have
3) I've never done drugs
4) I kept a job from the time I was 15 until the daycare became more than my paycheck at 25.

My charming husband ran off with a trollop because he couldnt handle the responsibility of life. I suppose I could have stayed married but that would have been rather stupid. I had two options: 4.10/hr or welfare and college. I took the college. So we lived on welfare for a few years and I only used the bare minimum (no section 8 housing; 3 kids visits to the ER in 4 years) I've paid much more into the system than I ever took out and I havent paid 10% in taxes for some years now, though I wish I could again.

Do not judge until you know all of the facts.



get married. Stay that way


I can see how "Eowyn2" does it being the sensitive lout that He/She is.

RAB: What did I say that was loutish?

"Voila" your list of things to just do. Life is not magic. There are reasons Things happen many out of our control. And when thing do go spinning out of control sometimes we need a helping had. And "Voila" does not put food on the table or make spouses stay when they don't want to.
An awkward and stupid person; an oaf.

706 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:03:26pm

re: #697 Highrise

re: #670 Eowyn2


I wanted to lie in that ditch but the dang kids kept poking me:)

I got a chuckle out of this...it's funny how they do that huh? I've battled a few things myself that my 2.5 yr old pokes me out of.


My youngest is 23 now. It was worth every minute of the climb. Now my 2 1/2 yr old grandson pokes me:)

707 Wishing  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:03:27pm

re: #699 stuck in california

I'm a meatcutter by trade, these are the best I have ever found, been using them at work for 30 years. I use a 6" curved blade, semi-flexible. Rosewood handle will never slip in your hand.

[Link: www.knivesplus.com...]

Ceramic knives ...love em (but not for the workplace)
Kyocera

708 zmdavid  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:03:56pm

re: #701 Ben Hur

re: #699 stuck in california


I'm a meatcutter by trade, these are the best I have ever found, been using them at work for 30 years. I use a 6" curved blade, semi-flexible. Rosewood handle will never slip in your hand.

[Link: www.knivesplus.com...]


ARe you really?

How do you manage to type?


Maybe they're retractable, sort of like Wolverine from X-Men.

709 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:04:29pm

The generals have already spoken on the subject. All my colleagues and relatives seem to think that there will be a coup. The only difference in this new coup is that blood will be shed and possibly a civil war (my wife calls it a "housecleaning" may errupt. The crazy thing is that everyone I know is in favor of the military taking over again.
Erdogan was not elected democratically. His party bought him the votes. Before becoming a career politician, Erdogan was a career crook. He got sent to the pokey for skimming money and taking bribes in exchange for contracts, when he was Mayor of Istanbul. Generally, this would disqualify him from politics, but his crony Gul pardoned him.
The whole election of Abdullah Gul to prime minister is something else. He ran for the AK party and was elected. As soon as he took office, he pardoned Erdogan and then stepped down, so that he could take the office. It sounds like a bad Michael Moore Troofumentary but I swear it's true. This whole political party is rotten to the core. They (as with other political parties) bought the election by paying money and showering gifts to the poor and uneducated. The region where I live in N. Turkey didnt' give these clowns their vote nor did the areas around Izmir and Antalya.
These two (erdogan and gul) are just puppets. They belong to the "People of light" (Nurcu) sect which was founded by a man called Fethullah Gulen. Gulen left Turkey in a hurry after making speeches about the caliphate and changing th Turkish government. Believe it (or not) the clown now lives in New Jersey. In another article, I left a website about Hodja Efendi. Here's his official website! For a poor pius guy who "Cries whenever a tree loses a leaf" he sure has a lot of dough.
[Link: en.fgulen.com...]

710 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:05:09pm

re: #699 stuck in california

Thanks for the tip. I need a new filet knife (I've been very lucky fishing). Maybe I'll give one a try.

711 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:05:37pm

re: #665 Wishing

I found it. 7-11, indeed.

712 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:06:23pm

re: #705 rab3

re: #681 Eowyn2


re: #669 rab3

re: #626 Eowyn2

re: #575 Dianna

re: #554 Eowyn2Solution: If you're going to have children, get married. Stay that way. Don't drink to excess, don't take drugs, and keep a job, even if it's only part-time.
Voila! The government is only stealing a tenth of your paycheck and isn't supervising your every breath (only about half).

Spoken with the best intentions but, the best laid plans of mice and men yada yada yada. 1) I was married
2) I dont drink to excess and never have
3) I've never done drugs
4) I kept a job from the time I was 15 until the daycare became more than my paycheck at 25.

My charming husband ran off with a trollop because he couldnt handle the responsibility of life. I suppose I could have stayed married but that would have been rather stupid. I had two options: 4.10/hr or welfare and college. I took the college. So we lived on welfare for a few years and I only used the bare minimum (no section 8 housing; 3 kids visits to the ER in 4 years) I've paid much more into the system than I ever took out and I havent paid 10% in taxes for some years now, though I wish I could again.

Do not judge until you know all of the facts.



get married. Stay that way

I can see how "Eowyn2" does it being the sensitive lout that He/She is.

RAB: What did I say that was loutish?

"Voila" your list of things to just do. Life is not magic. There are reasons Things happen many out of our control. And when thing do go spinning out of control sometimes we need a helping had. And "Voila" does not put food on the table or make spouses stay when they don't want to.
An awkward and stupid person; an oaf.

The "list of things to just do" came from Dianna's post; not mine.

Also: did you see my post regarding whether you can eat Kamut?

713 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:06:27pm

re: #709 baconeatingkaffir

Thanks, I've been waiting for you to check in on this.

714 stuck in california  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:07:00pm

re: #701 Ben Hur
Still got all ten. Not even a scar.
(Knock wood)

715 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:07:10pm

re: #713 Killgore Trout

re: #709 baconeatingkaffir

Thanks, I've been waiting for you to check in on this.

No problem. I'm waiting for the coup to happen. My wife is praying for it to happen. She still can't believe that Turkish women would vote for a jacked up party like this!

716 mean Gene  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:07:23pm

[Link: www.dw-world.de...]

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has come under sharp criticism for calling on Turks who refuse to accept former Islamist Abdullah Gül's presidency to leave the country.

I did not know that this was an option islamist give their vanquished.
It used to be 1. Convert
2. Submit to Dhimmitude
or 3. Die.

As for muslims deemed not properly in line with the conqueror's sect, it used to be death.

When did islamists start letting people go?

717 Highrise  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:07:44pm

re: #704 Eowyn2


I was lucky to not have kids with him. I don't know how that happened..but I do thank God all the time that I got lucky in that regard. I realize not everyone does.

I knew him for years before marrying him too..had NO clue he had that tendency...and anyone around us just loved him. He looked like garth brooks and was very polite...outside.

I went into shock for a good solid year of depression until I was caught silently crying in my cube at work. A woman came in and insisted on seeing my face as my back was turned and I waved her off. It took a LONG time for her to even get it out of me my husband's attitude towards me..I didn't speak of his act..I couldn't utter the words. She told me she would hound me every day until I got help. Well, God put her in my life at the right time I tell you, I got help and within 4 sessions with a therapist I was finally back to normal and left him. To this day, I'm lucky that my head is still attached to my body and not blown to bits.

So people who are judgemental about divorces can really kiss it. My mother was beaten once when she went to go shopping by her ex because she took 5 mins longer than he expected...and he accused her of sex with another guy. She left him that day and got it annulled. My father was married to a woman that hated men and she refused..utterly refused to come home to him from the bars. In both cases, they didn't suspect their spouse would do that. What can I say, people are conniving. /spit

My parents are happily married to this day..God love them...and THAT is a marriage that GOD put together...not just a minister with paper and words...there is a difference.

718 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:07:56pm

re: #714 stuck in california

I'm glad!

And I'm glad you got the yoke.

719 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:08:15pm

Gul married his wife when she was like 16 and he was 29 or something like that. I read it in a Turkish newspaper. Everyone needs a child molester in political office! The closer you get to this party, the stronger the stench becomes!

720 maddogg  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:08:25pm

re: #678 Ben Hur

I like cooking.

And turtles.

Though not cooking turtles.


I like cooking turtles! They're good, especially if you catch them yourself, and clean them, and cut them up and bread them, and drop them in the frying pan right beside the river you caught them in, and fry up some eggs to go with them, and coffee, and...so on...YUM!

721 Wishing  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:09:20pm

re: #715 baconeatingkaffir

re: #713 Killgore Trout

re: #709 baconeatingkaffir

Thanks, I've been waiting for you to check in on this.

No problem. I'm waiting for the coup to happen. My wife is praying for it to happen. She still can't believe that Turkish women would vote for a jacked up party like this!

I am afraid that Olmert caving in on the Temple Mount will solidify the splodeydopes.
Temple Mount

722 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:09:27pm

re: #712 Eowyn2

Damn. I hate it when I chop off the wrong head. Metaphorically speaking of course. Sorry. Not sure about the Kamut bread.

723 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:09:34pm
724 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:09:36pm

re: #717 Highrise

They are quite lucky they found each other.

725 traveler  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:09:44pm

re: #712 Eowyn2
I've loved following this exchange -- all good thoughts on all sides. I, for one, was glad to read that the welfare system was utilized by someone who was doing what they needed to do to better themselves, after suffering difficult circumstances. Bravo!

726 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:09:47pm

re: #695 Eowyn2

I often hear from young people (early to mid 20's) in the UK that it's a tough choice for them to work for a living or collect benefits. Especially for young women having a baby and being a single unemployed mother mother is a valid state sponsored lifestyle.

727 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:10:56pm

re: #723 song_and_dance_man

re: #706 Eowyn2


re: #697 Highrise

re: #670 Eowyn2

I just babysit the grandkids once in awhile. they all live with their parents.


I wanted to lie in that ditch but the dang kids kept poking me:)

I got a chuckle out of this...it's funny how they do that huh? I've battled a few things myself that my 2.5 yr old pokes me out of.

My youngest is 23 now. It was worth every minute of the climb. Now my 2 1/2 yr old grandson pokes me:)

I must jump in. I have my son after a divorce (wouldn't have accepted anything less) and am raising this 13 year old alone. Just last night we watched video of him walking for the first time. Yes I was fortunate to capture this. I have always loved children, and seeing him as an infant brought it all back home. Love your children, they are a gift of God.
728 Highrise  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:11:17pm

re: #723 song_and_dance_man

Love your children, they are a gift of God.


Truly I never understood this statement until I gave birth to my daughter and then had her almost die at 2 months.

That phrase usually makes me choke tears back..it's just too true.

729 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:12:29pm
730 stuck in california  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:12:49pm

re: #718 Ben Hur

Ha!
Digets are needed to hold the knife! ;-)

731 Highrise  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:12:52pm

Childcare around me for under 2 yr old is around 1200 per month..middle of the road. If you rent out of a room of someone's house..that is around 500 middle of the road.

1700 middle of the road in those two expenses...ouch is all I can say.

732 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:13:04pm

re: #727 Eowyn2

crap, what I was gonna write wasn't there. i must have hiccoughed.

733 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:14:50pm

re: #659 Render

Isn't Dr. Walid Phares a former Islamist?

Or Daveed Gartenstein-Ross?

FUTURE
JIHAD,
R

And, Walid Shoebat!

734 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:15:04pm
735 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:16:13pm

re: #721 Wishing

re: #715 baconeatingkaffir


re: #713 Killgore Trout

re: #709 baconeatingkaffir

Thanks, I've been waiting for you to check in on this.


No problem. I'm waiting for the coup to happen. My wife is praying for it to happen. She still can't believe that Turkish women would vote for a jacked up party like this!

I am afraid that Olmert caving in on the Temple Mount will solidify the splodeydopes.
Temple Mount

Why are the Israeli people standing for Olmert? I mean this guy is a traitor plain and simple. Man, Golda Meir and Menachem Begen must be spinning in their graves at warp speed!

736 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:16:27pm

re: #705 rab3

You seem to have addressed Eowyn2 when you should have addressed me.

As for what I said, I've probably had more experience of disaster than you, and I'm well aware of the exceptions.

737 Wishing  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:17:31pm

re: #735 baconeatingkaffir

Ya know, it is one of those things where words utterly fail...

738 mich-again  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:17:36pm
and centers of evil that systematically try to corrode the secular nature of the Turkish Republic

I think crescents of evil is closer to the truth.

But break that down a bit... He's claiming that multiple Islamic organizations are working systematically to corrode secularism and they are not just unhelpful, intransigent or contrary, but evil. As in doing the work of the devil himself. So who are the evil ones? Names please.

as if we didn't know.

739 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:18:00pm
740 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:19:05pm

re: #734 song_and_dance_man

I concur!

741 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:20:02pm

re: #737 Wishing

Maybe there will be a total backlash int he future where instead of leaning more towards the left, the country will lean more towards the right.. sort of what happened aftar Jimma Kader and Billary Klingon

742 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:20:09pm

re: #722 rab3

re: #712 Eowyn2

Damn. I hate it when I chop off the wrong head. Metaphorically speaking of course. Sorry. Not sure about the Kamut bread.

Thats okay, I did re-iterate Dianna's points in my post.
Check with your allergist about Kamut and Spelt. If you dont have celiacs, you might be able to eat Kamut bread or Spelt bread.

743 easy  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:20:12pm

re: #530 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #518 easy


re: #509 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
Oh, it's good alright. What time is supper?

That was lunch, haven't planned supper yet.


You in Nawlins, dawlin?


Normally yes but I'm in Houston for most of this week. The oysters weren't up to Dragos' standards but still pretty good.

744 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:21:12pm

re: #731 Highrise

Thats why I took a small job in a small town in a low rent state.

745 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:22:48pm

re: #664 withaknow

Calm down everyone: Erdogan's government will be a moderate Islamic government. Isn't that what we in the U.S. would like to see more of? If they can pull it off correctly, it will be a model for the greater Middle East. Keep in mind that Turkey's military establishment has in recent years acted more and more illiberal, even if it shrines its rhetoric in a pro-secular stance. More important than protecting Turkey's secularism (which even the Islamic --NOT Islamist--parties have spoken in favor of) we should worry about protecting Turkey's democratic establishment, and that means supporting the Erdogan government.

I would largely agree with all of this.

746 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:23:03pm

Everybody must be typing at once.

747 Highrise  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:23:36pm

re: #709 baconeatingkaffir

Are you worried about living in Turkey with all this going on?

I know I'm a bit shocked that the dems in the USA have pegged so far left. Maybe they have always been this way and I'm just now paying attention.

748 Wishing  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:25:05pm

re: #741 baconeatingkaffir

Right now, The Land is divided: The most hated population is the *settlers*..despised by the secular population. Now the settlers for the most part are Religious Zionists, but not like black hats, tho both grps are despised. It is probably a toss up as to which group is hated more, settlers or haredim, actually.

Will this produce an all-out civil war? At this point, all bets are off, at least from what I can see.
For myself, I am absolutely heartbroken re: Har HaBeit.

749 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:25:37pm

re: #747 Highrise

re: #709 baconeatingkaffir

Are you worried about living in Turkey with all this going on?

I know I'm a bit shocked that the dems in the USA have pegged so far left. Maybe they have always been this way and I'm just now paying attention.

I'm a little wary of things but I think the military will prevail. This group has a history of kissing the backsides of the EU and the US. They tried to bargain with the US for base usage at the beginning of the second Gulf War and we said no dice. They only like the US and EU when they are useful idiots in assisting them to get what they want.

750 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:26:11pm

Is the presidency in Turkey ceremonial?

If so, what's the worry?

751 Highrise  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:27:18pm

re: #749 baconeatingkaffir

They only like the US and EU when they are useful idiots in assisting them to get what they want.


Isn't that usually how it is? LOL...self interest. Perhaps I'm being overcynical about countries..just seems that way.

752 Wishing  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:27:46pm

re: #750 Ben Hur

Is the presidency in Turkey ceremonial?

If so, what's the worry?

That's what they said about Israel's presidency too...and Peres couldnt WAIT to break every law pertaining to his office, the scoundrel!

753 J.S.  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:28:14pm

re: #709 baconeatingkaffir

MEMRI dot org has an article "The upcoming elections in Turkey" (part II), July 19, 2007 -- scroll down and read the footnotes number 6 and 7 -- it's about Fethullah Gulen and the U.S. support of Islamists.

Bush keeps giving Islamists in Turkey legitimacy and unwarranted stature. I think it's utter madness.

Just read that Erbakan's (the Islamists') comments -- that posted by WriterMom, number 146 in this thread. These Islamists are extremely dangerous and the United States needs to recognize it.

754 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:28:23pm

re: #752 Wishing

Yeah, but that's Peres.

We all KNEW that was going to happen.

755 Highrise  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:28:39pm

re: #744 Eowyn2

re: #731 Highrise

Thats why I took a small job in a small town in a low rent state.


I'm not sure that exists in california lol. I have a love hate relationship for this state. It allows me to live very freely in my choices in raising my family that other states do not afford me...nicely anyway. What a balancing act.

756 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:29:02pm

re: #747 Highrise

Maybe they have always been this way and I'm just now paying attention.

It seems that things have gotten worse. I had a professor who said that the Dems used to be a coalition of the Communists and the Ku Klux Klan (who ever thought that looked anything but idiotic?); but I'm not sure I see that. I think the leftward tilt has become distinctly stronger, particularly in the last 15 years.

757 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:29:09pm

Medication time!

758 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:29:43pm

re: #620 J.S.

Not so in Turkey -- it's not a "separation", rather it's a governmental control of religion...or, as some suggest, it's the suppression of religion

Yes, you're correct: there is more control than in the US, but compared to most Muslim countries, it's a secular paradise.

It was the Army that dismantled all state support of Islam in Turkey and they had historically kept a close eye on it to prevent it's influence into political everyday life. So, control, yes; suppression, in some instances, but for religious reasons(as opposed to ethnic ones) alone, no.

759 Highrise  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:31:31pm

re: #756 Dianna

re: #747 Highrise


Maybe they have always been this way and I'm just now paying attention.

It seems that things have gotten worse. I had a professor who said that the Dems used to be a coalition of the Communists and the Ku Klux Klan (who ever thought that looked anything but idiotic?); but I'm not sure I see that. I think the leftward tilt has become distinctly stronger, particularly in the last 15 years.

I thought so. I didn't think I was that clueless haha. Heck, I was middle of the road..registered independent. The past 6 years have flat scared me what I'm seeing on the left...it actually forced me to change to republican..even if I'm tagged later on down the line. Some things I guess made me finally choose which side of the fence...not perfect but the alternate leads us down a dark path.

760 Cicero05  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:34:06pm
(I’d like to know what a “former” Islamist is, besides another example of media mendacity.)

You can give up being an islamist, but it has to be cold Turkey.

761 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:34:21pm
762 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:34:30pm

The Fethullah Gulen: Powerful Islamist Network with International Reach; Fethullah: From Islamist Anti-Soviet Activity to Residence and Activity in U.S.

The Fethullah movement is regarded as the most powerful and influential Islamist organization in Turkey, and has international outreach. Regarded as a semi-state within a state, this community has established hundreds of schools, in Turkey and in over 100 countries on five continents.

Fethullah Gulen heads this vast organization, holding absolute authority, although the organization operates seemingly as independent cells. It is based on a hierarchy of activists on different levels - municipalities, business, families, and individuals. Another group of activists, the abi, or "elder brothers," deals with recruitment, mostly from among poor youth, by providing them with housing and education in the isikevi, or "houses of light." There, the youths receive intensive Islamist training in line with the teachings of Said-i Nursi and the Nur movement.

Education, and professional and vocational training are important components of the Fethullah movement, and its main recruiting efforts are directed at youths in eighth through twelfth grades. Followers mentor young people in the isikevi, educate them in the Fethullah schools, and prepare them for future careers in legal, political, and educational professions, in order to create the future Islamist Turkish state. Fethullah schools abroad are geared towards educating a foreign leadership that will be sympathetic to an Islamist Turkey.

While young people provide the manpower for growth, followers with small businesses provide the finances, donating generously to Fethullah projects. No public accounts of the community's finances are made available, and most of their resources are not disclosed to the public. Fethullah members occupy positions in all Turkish state institutions, political parties, organizations, universities, and even sports clubs, and are also present in the security forces (except for the upper echelons of the military) and police.


Fethullah Gulen Indicted, Escapes To U.S.

In 1999, footage was aired on Turkish television of sermons delivered by Fethullah Gulen to a crowd of followers, in which he revealed his aspirations for an Islamist Turkey ruled by shari'a as well as the methods that should be used to attain that goal. In the sermons, he said:

"You must move in the arteries of the system, without anyone noticing your existence, until you reach all the power centers... until the conditions are ripe, they [the followers] must continue like this. If they do something prematurely, the world will crush our heads, and Muslims will suffer everywhere, like in the tragedies in Algeria, like in 1982 [in] Syria... like in the yearly disasters and tragedies in Egypt. The time is not yet right. You must wait for the time when you are complete, and conditions are ripe, until we can shoulder the entire world and carry it... You must wait until such time as you have gotten all the state power, until you have brought to your side all the power of the constitutional institutions in Turkey... Until that time, any step taken would be too early - like breaking an egg without waiting the full 40 days for it to hatch. It would be like killing the chick inside. The work to be done is [in] confronting the world. Now, I have expressed my feelings and thoughts to you all - in confidence... trusting your loyalty and sensitivity to secrecy. I know that when you leave here - [just] as you discard your empty juice boxes, you must discard the thoughts and feelings expressed here."

763 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:35:48pm

re: #729 ploome hineni

I think Charles found another woman

Ha!
Maybe he had a dental appointment. Being tied to a computer is as bad as being a dairy farmer and being tied to the unrelenting milking.

764 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:37:46pm
US 'seizes Iranian group in Iraq'

Seven Iranians working for the Iranian Electricity Ministry have been arrested by US forces in Baghdad, the Iranian embassy says


[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

765 J.S.  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:38:02pm

re: #758 mondoreb

Secular paradise (?) hmmm...in some respects...but for how long?

re: baconeatingkaffir

Here are the footnotes from MEMRI.org (from July 19, 2007 No.375)

"The Upcoming Elections in Turkey (2): The AKP's Political Power Base"

[6] According to Turkish analysts, during the Cold War, the U.S. benefited from the Islamist activity of Fethullah Gulen's organization against the U.S.S.R. among the Crimean Muslims as well as among Muslims in adjacent regions of the U.S.S.R. Therefore, after the fall of the U.S.S.R., and following pressure from the Turkish authorities, who wanted to act against him, the U.S. enabled Fethullah Gulen to escape from Turkey to the U.S. prior to his trial, and also enabled him to develop his Islamist community from his estate in Virginia. Fethullah Gulen himself also worked to moderate his extremist Islamist image, advocating for inter-religious dialogue and holding various meetings with Pope John Paul II, Turkey's Chief Rabbi, and the Armenian Patriarch. Some anti-Islamist circles in Turkey believe that Fethullah Gulen helped Recep Tayyip Erdogan obtain invitations to the White House, despite his Islamist background as a student of Erbakan and even though he was not yet a head of state or even an MP.

[7] According to an investigative series by columnist Hikmet Cetinkaya in Cumhuriyet (June 22-July 4, 1999), in the 1970s, Fethullah Gulen was convicted for his Islamist activities in Turkey. During this decade, he organized and ran secret summer camps in the mountains of western Turkey where children as young as elementary school age were taught Islam, and taught to hate nonbelievers and to become jihad fighters. These camps were guarded by armed "brothers." Some were run in cooperation with the Suleymancilar sect.

766 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:38:44pm

re: #760 Cicero05

A former Islamist is one who has stopped breathing and shows no signs of life .

767 easy  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:38:58pm

re: #631 jcm

re: #602 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


re: #595 jcm

re: #576 ploome hineni

re: #546 The Pulchritudinous Patriotwhen I steam the fish, I put some dill weed into the fish cavity or drape the dill over the fish steak as I stem it.I find it cuts the ;fishy' taste, and gives the fissh a much fresher flavor

always buy dill at a chinese or ethnic grocer...I calculate the dill at my supermarket is 1.99 for 1/2 oz, or 32$ a pound!


I cook middle eastern, Persian to be exact since I grew up there.
Try saffron.
$6.76 per gram
$3062 per pound.

I can't afford saffron...is that three thousand sixty two dollars a pound?

YEP!
Saffron


At that rate I'm not mad about saffron and saffron's not mad abpout me.

768 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:39:32pm
769 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:40:30pm

re: #765 J.S.

Isn't it interesting how the CIA and US state department always manage to find the most jacked up people to associate with?

770 Highrise  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:40:33pm

I don't know how Charles does it..for this many years too.

771 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:40:51pm

re: #736 Dianna

re: #705 rab3

You seem to have addressed Eowyn2 when you should have addressed me.

As for what I said, I've probably had more experience of disaster than you, and I'm well aware of the exceptions.

We are both well aware so I would think that we should not throw out simplistic answers to complicated situations, without knowing what the complications are. That was my point. I don't want this to turn this into a my life has sucked more than yours contest. God allows what he allows. He may have dumped more on you that me, I don't know. It's none of my business anyway. If he did it's because He new you could take it and I could not. He puts just what we need in our life to teach the lessons we need to know this side of eternity. Let's just find out the what ever details we can before offering advice.

772 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:41:01pm
And now, a word from Tokyo Rose
A little while ago I received this email from a jihadist crowing about the impending collapse of secularism in Turkey:

another great day for Islam, once again you lose Spencer how bad must you now feel? you kept dreaming that Islam would no longe exist in turkey but the turks have shown they want Islam and love Islam contrary to what you claimed and thought...
face it robert, your losing this battle and war, unlike christians Muslims love their faith and will never turn on it like you christians turn on christianity and become secular atheists.

oh well another victory for Islam, and another loss for its enemies... :)


In fact I am shedding no tears, and in reality never "claimed and thought" anything other than that there was widespread support for Sharia in Turkey. The demise of Turkish secularism, which in any case was only marginally less monstrous than Sharia in its treatment of non-Muslims, was inevitable, given the nature of political Islam. Were policymakers and analysts not besotted with D'Souzaite fantasies, they wouldn't be surprised either.

But in any case, I wouldn't give up even if there were no one left at all. No matter what, I am not going to submit

[Link: jihadwatch.org...]

773 Ledger1  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:41:19pm

re: #25 storagemanager

Drum's of getting loud now

...Bush: Iran must halt Iraq actions 'at once'... Developing

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...] ..What time is the speech..anyone know?

***

Yes, Bush language against Iran is growing stronger. And, it looks like he has made it easier for our troops to strike Iranian operatives.

President Bush: Shia extremists, backed by Iran, are training Iraqis to carry out attacks on our forces and the Iraqi people. Members of the Qods Force of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps are supplying extremist groups with funding and weapons, including sophisticated IEDs. And with the assistance of Hezbollah, they've provided training for these violent forces inside of Iraq. Recently, coalition forces seized 240-millimeter rockets that had been manufactured in Iran this year and that had been provided to Iraqi extremist groups by Iranian agents. The attacks on our bases and our troops by Iranian-supplied munitions have increased in the last few months -- despite pledges by Iran to help stabilize the security situation in Iraq.

Some say Iran's leaders are not aware of what members of their own regime are doing. Others say Iran's leaders are actively seeking to provoke the West. Either way, they cannot escape responsibility for aiding attacks against coalition forces and the murder of innocent Iraqis. The Iranian regime must halt these actions. And until it does, I will take actions necessary to protect our troops. I have authorized our military commanders in Iraq to confront Tehran's murderous activities. (Applause.)

See: President Bush Addresses the 89th Annual National Convention of the American Legion, 50% down page

Btw, when Turkey refused to allow American troops to attack Saddam from the north I knew they were not much of a friend. This current election just reinforces my belief.

774 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:41:40pm

re: #146 WriterMom

Here's something about Turkey-speaking of Turkey.

Jews = Bacteria.

He's been drinking too much KoolAid and reading David Icke.

775 J.S.  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:42:59pm

re: #750 Ben Hur

It's not ceremonial. The president has the power to make appointments -- including military appointments and appointments to the judiciary.

776 mondoreb  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:43:16pm

re: #765 J.S.

Secular paradise (?) hmmm...in some respects...but for how long?

If one is hopeful, which I am: maybe quite some time until the other side is powerful enough (if ever) for a civil war. But Turkey isn't as meek as France on capitulation to internal hooligans, Islamic or not.

But in the end, sorry to say, I can not see the future.

777 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:43:23pm

Btw, when Turkey refused to allow American troops to attack Saddam from the north I knew they were not much of a friend. This current election just reinforces my belief.

re: #773 Ledger1

Politicians, Islamist Sects, Orders, and Associations In Support of the AKP

In a recent five-part series titled "Sects, Religious Communities, and the July 22 [Elections]" in the secular, mainstream Turkish daily Milliyet, journalist Omer Erbil listed some of the Islamist sects and associations that are playing a role in the upcoming elections. Following are the main points of this review. [1]

1. The Fethullah Gulen community: This is the largest and strongest Islamist community in Turkey, as well as the most prominent representative of the Nur ("Light") movement of Said-i Nursi. [2] It is led by Fethullah Gulen, or, as he is referred to by his community, Fethullah Gulen Hocaefendi, and according to media assessments, about 30 of the AKP candidates who have a good chance of being elected are Fethullah Gulen followers (Fethullahcilar).

2. The Nakshibendi sect: A large Islamist order, which began in the 14th century in Turkistan, Central Asia, and spread to Anatolia and the Balkans, gaining much power in the 19th century. The Halidiye branch lives today in the influential Iskenderpasa, Ismailaga, Erenkoy, and Kashgari communities. Many political figures in Turkey either come from or are influenced by the Nakshibendi tradition. Among these are Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Parliamentary Speaker Bulent Arinc, Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul, and Minister Mehmet Ali Sahin. Iskenderpasa Nakshibendi sect leader Mehmed Zahit Kotku is known to have trained former prime minister and president Turgut Ozal, former Islamist prime minister Necmettin Erbakan, and his successor, Islamist Felicity Party (SP) leader Recai Kutan.

The Iskenderpasa sect, which is currently led by Sheikh Nurettin Cosan, openly supported the AKP during the 2002 elections. Sheikh Cosan also issued an order to AKP MPs to vote "no" in the March 1, 2003 parliamentary vote on allowing the U.S. military passage through Turkish soil to open a northern front in the war in Iraq, and it is known that some 100 AKP MPs obeyed the order.
Erbakan's Islamist Milli Gorus movement, and its offspring, the AKP, have very close ties with the Nakshibendi Islamist sect. It is believed that about 80 of the sect's faithful were among the founders of the AKP.

These guys are scumbags plain and simple.

778 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:43:45pm
BAGHDAD — More than 1 million pilgrims were ordered to leave the Shiite holy city of Karbala on Tuesday and police imposed a curfew after two days of violence — including raging gunbattles between rival militias — claimed at least 35 lives during a religious festival

I wonder how many are Royal guards from Iran? [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

779 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:44:24pm

re: #756 Dianna

I agree. The polarization of this country is something to behold. And I will admit, that as I have gotten older, I have become much firmer in my convictions which are diametrically opposed to the left.

There was a time I used to let things slide, but not anymore. I probably should cool my own jets a little.

780 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:46:36pm

re: #779 goodbye_natalie

re: #756 Dianna

I agree. The polarization of this country is something to behold. And I will admit, that as I have gotten older, I have become much firmer in my convictions which are diametrically opposed to the left.

There was a time I used to let things slide, but not anymore. I probably should cool my own jets a little.

Stand firm...now is not the time to wobble..lol

781 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:47:59pm

re: #771 rab3

A general comment is not - and should not be construed as - applying in every case.

The point both Eowyn2 and I are making, and are ruefully aware of, is that the system is broken. What to do about it?

We can't go back to the workhouse system - that was worse. But what the current system is doing is trapping people. And going after "dead beat dads" is producing some really egregious injustices, too. Welfare reform has produced some good results, but also some really noxious side-effects.

So, do we say, "Well, that didn't work, so let's do it some more!" (quite unacceptable); or what, precisely? Do we admit that creating a bureaucracy is disastrous? If so, then how do we do something that's not disastrous?

782 Highrise  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:48:48pm

re: #704 Eowyn2

I forgot to add some of the most judgemental people about me and my situation were a few friends that I held dear to me. They just couldn't believe he was like that and that maybe I was distorting things or not being a dutiful wife..which uhh..let's put it this way..when I told the therapist (which I had never ever been to one) what he did to me (took a few sessions), the look on her face went pale...and that actually is how I woke up...her reaction to what I said told me that my gut was valid and I needed to act.

Needless to say...those two are no longer my friends after that. I'd rather have no friends than friends that aren't true blue.

My family even with their trying times with their ex's were judgemental..but luckily they began to see through him or that would have really hurt.

As I left him he was quoting the bible (when he never read it the years I knew him) on what a wife's duties were (very distorted and cherry picked). He called my mom begging her to do something about me when he at no time ever called my mom before.

How's that for drama? HAHA!

783 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:49:56pm
AMMAN -- Around 100 inmates inflicted injuries on themselves during a visit to a Jordanian prison by US-based watchdog Human Rights Watch (HRW), a police spokesman said Monday.

Sunday's visit was HRW's second to the Suwaqa prison, south of Amman, in a week, as the watchdog sought to follow up on allegations of torture it uncovered during the previous visit August 21.

The prisoners hurt themselves "with ceramic tiles they broke from prison toilets, and some were taken to hospital, while others were treated on the spot for superficial wounds," police spokesman Major Bashir Daajeh said.

The detainees "wanted to draw the attention of the HRW team," he said, adding that prison authorities had informed inmates of the visit, and told them they could use it to submit complaints

Where is Reuters,the BBC or the AP?.. [Link: www.metimes.com...]

784 J.S.  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:50:58pm

re: #769 baconeatingkaffir

Isn't that true. If someone really, really hated the United States, they'd be jumping up and down and cheering...or going "YAH!"

and I wonder if the same is not happening with Pakistan...It's ridiculous. The U.S. is pressuring Musharraf to call elections...I mean, really, WHY? So Islamists can come to power? So enemies of the United States can gain control of Pakistan? (I really don't get it.)

785 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:51:36pm

re: #779 goodbye_natalie

At one and the same time, I see the polarization, and I also think it's about reached its limit.

There's no reason for you not to hold strong convictions - heck, half the reason we're in the mess we're in right now is because "the best lack all conviction" - it's just a matter of remembering our manners.

786 jcm  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:53:33pm

re: #782 Highrise

The Bible applies to thou and not I types eh?
The worst kind, you are well to be rid of him.

787 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:53:45pm

re: #782 Highrise

Agh!

That is a terrible story. You are very fortunate in your therapist.

788 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:54:27pm

re: #729 ploome hineni

I think Charles found another woman

I never new he had time to find a gal to begin with. I am beginning to think maintaining all of us minions and keeping LGF hopping probably requires celibacy.

If Charles wasn't a fitness buff on his bike, I would picture this guy with a cig in one hand, one burning in the tray, and two cups of stale coffee sitting near the keyboard.

789 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:55:32pm

re: #784 J.S.

Could this be some sort of conspiracy? I still thnk big business has too much say in government policy.

790 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:56:28pm

re: #788 goodbye_natalie

Have you been peeking through my window?

The only reason I don't have cigarettes is because it's illegal to smoke inside here in SF.

Grrr.

791 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:58:32pm

re: #790 Dianna

re: #788 goodbye_natalie

Have you been peeking through my window?

The only reason I don't have cigarettes is because it's illegal to smoke inside here in SF.

Grrr.


Aaah, that's one of the things I love about Turkey. We have absolutely NO antismoking nazis except for the AKP douchebags. There are few places here (Public trans,hospitals, mosques) where you can't smoke.
This summer has been prime narghile smoking season. Sitting in the tea garden solving the probs of the world with my friends and smoking fruit flavored tobacco!

792 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:59:15pm

Muslim Footballer seethes over Islamophobic hooligans...
FA to investigate anti-Muslim abuse aimed at Mido

The Football Association is to investigate the Islamophobic abuse suffered by Mido, Middlesbrough's Egyptian striker, during Sunday's 2-2 draw with Newcastle United at the Riverside Stadium.

Mido, who scored Boro's first goal on Sunday, was the subject of persistent anti-Arab chants from some of the visiting Newcastle supporters congregated at one end of the ground who seemed to have made the assumption that anyone born and brought up in Cairo must automatically be a terrorist. These tiresome, oft-repeated ditties, included "Mido, he's got a bomb you know; Mido's got a bomb."
...
Although the FA, which rarely encounters Islamophobia, is primarily interested in stamping out all forms of racism, its investigation will also touch on further chants directed at Mido, most notably "Mido is a Paedo"...

793 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 2:59:56pm
Terror Camps in Canada

[Link: blog.americancongressfortruth.com...]

794 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 3:00:05pm

re: #761 song_and_dance_man

re: #744 Eowyn2


re: #731 Highrise

Thats why I took a small job in a small town in a low rent state.


I left Los Angeles and a high paying career for a better environment and other reasons. I make half as much as I did before but I don't have to lock my doors, deal with traffic, and the insanity of Sacramento. These are a few of the many benefits of living in a smaller village. I'm now shelling out only $400 for a house.

You might be one of my neighbors:) When I did graduate, I could have moved to CA, WA, DC, NY etc but by then my kids were getting near the Middle School age. I just couldn't do it. I had to stay small town and take a lot less pay.

795 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 3:00:58pm

re: #791 baconeatingkaffir

Wow, Turkey's more sensible than San Francisco?

Who knew?

Yes, I know smoking annoys non-smokers. I don't mind not smoking in restaurants, really, I don't. I'm more than happy to refrain in a lot of places, particularly when asked to. But these bans set my teeth on edge.

796 Highrise  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 3:02:33pm

re: #786 jcm

re: #782 Highrise

The Bible applies to thou and not I types eh?
The worst kind, you are well to be rid of him.

haha he didn't bank on me knowing the bible better than him, especially in those areas. And no church that I was instructed under ever made me feel like I should stay trapped in abuse. So I knew he was full of it and being manipulative and using any tool to get at me..and he knew God was near and dear to my heart.

/smiles

---
787 Dianna

Thanks. I have such a hard time even thinking of therapy or needing help..so glad that one lady pushed me. Looking back, I am amazed it only took 4 sessions when you think about a full year of deep depression (wake up, go to work(if I didn't call in sick), come home and go directly to bed). I asked her one question at the end, I said I bet you see a lot of nuts. She said, not really..maybe 3%. Most are like you who are in a rut spinning your wheels and need help with finding clarity.

I felt great after that answer lol!

797 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 3:02:37pm
798 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 3:02:50pm

re: #795 Dianna

re: #791 baconeatingkaffir

Wow, Turkey's more sensible than San Francisco?

Who knew?

Yes, I know smoking annoys non-smokers. I don't mind not smoking in restaurants, really, I don't. I'm more than happy to refrain in a lot of places, particularly when asked to. But these bans set my teeth on edge.

Yeah, whats with the ban on smoking ni bars? I never have understood that one. Ok.. old people and kids go to restaurants.. but how many go to bars?

799 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 3:04:58pm

I only have one bitch about cigarette smoking, unless I am in an enclosed space. Then I don't like them.

But the people that flip them out the car windows after the final puff are going to earn my wrath one of these days.

800 BeerForMyHorses  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 3:06:54pm

re: #793 storagemanager

Terror Camps in Canada

[Link: blog.americancongressfortruth.com...]

Your link mentions Hancock, NY, as well. Paul L. William's The Day of Islam has a whole chapter on this pit of vipers entitled "Welcome to Islamberg."

801 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 3:07:07pm

I quit 15 years ago and did not become a smoking nazi...and I have COPD...lol

802 Highrise  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 3:07:09pm

re: #798 baconeatingkaffir


The ban of smoking in bars if I were to guess has to do more with OSHA type lawsuits - they are in charge of eliminating hazards for the work environment for workers. I'm just guessing, I do not know what is all behind the banning in the bars.

803 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 3:07:24pm

re: #799 goodbye_natalie

I only have one bitch about cigarette smoking, unless I am in an enclosed space. Then I don't like them.

But the people that flip them out the car windows after the final puff are going to earn my wrath one of these days.

I agree. Thats what cars have ashtrays for. My now deceased gran used to be a chain smoker. When I was a kid, I hated riding in the car with her in the winter because she wouldn't put the windows down. :(

804 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 3:07:43pm

re: #800 BeerForMyHorses

re: #793 storagemanager


Terror Camps in Canada

[Link: blog.americancongressfortruth.com...]

Your link mentions Hancock, NY, as well. Paul L. William's The Day of Islam has a whole chapter on this pit of vipers entitled "Welcome to Islamberg."


That is a good book!

805 rab3  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 3:08:22pm

re: #781 Dianna

"If you're going to have children, get married. Stay that way. Don't drink to excess, don't take drugs, and keep a job, even if it's only part-time.

Voila! The government is only stealing a tenth of your paycheck and isn't supervising your every breath (only about half)."

I am still chopping of the wrong head here. Sounded pretty specific to me. So where is the "general" in the comment. If you were using sarcasm in this case I apologize I am still missing it. I can be an Ignorant lout sometimes. And I mean that with all sincerity, I can be king of the louts. My issue is with the broken system it's just defending single Moms when I think they are the recipient of unwarranted scrutiny, to put it politely. If I am missing the point here I apologize.

806 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 3:08:44pm

re: #798 baconeatingkaffir

It's a mystery. Supposedly, it was for the benefit of the workers; but that never made much sense to me, as, well, if a job started hurting me (and I had one job which I quit when I realized that I was getting sick every morning because I hated it so much), I changed jobs.

Take it as an example of the Californian attitude that people can be legislated into whatever the current definition of virtue is.

807 BeerForMyHorses  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 3:08:49pm

re: #804 storagemanager

Chilling stuff.

808 mean Gene  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 3:09:19pm

re: #799 goodbye_natalie

I only have one bitch about cigarette smoking, unless I am in an enclosed space. Then I don't like them.

But the people that flip them out the car windows after the final puff are going to earn my wrath one of these days.


...Picture the scene. You are a cop. You and your partner have pulled off on a quiet residential street and parked with your windows down to do some paperwork.

Suddenly a large man on a huge black and chrome cruiser, dressed in jeans, a torn t-shirt flapping in the breeze, and wearing one leather glove, moving at probably 80mph on one wheel, and screaming bloody murder roars by and with all his strength throws a live squirrel grenade directly into your police car.
...

For the whole story:
[Link: lifeisaroad.com...]

809 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 3:09:36pm

re: #796 Highrise

I've been reading your stuff from above. You sound pretty solid after all the crap. Hang in there...

Do you mind if I ask the general location you live? In reading the rates for child care and the like from above, I about choked and thought who could afford that?

810 commander_vimes  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 3:09:49pm

re: #799 goodbye_natalie

But the people that flip them out the car windows after the final puff are going to earn my wrath one of these days.

I am frequently overcome with an urge to get out of my car, pick up the butt, and tuck it under their wiper. One of these days I'll actually do it.

As for bans in the home, completely ridiculous.

811 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 3:09:54pm

re: #782 Highrise

re: #704 Eowyn2

I forgot to add some of the most judgemental people about me and my situation were a few friends that I held dear to me. They just couldn't believe he was like that and that maybe I was distorting things or not being a dutiful wife..which uhh..let's put it this way..when I told the therapist (which I had never ever been to one) what he did to me (took a few sessions), the look on her face went pale...and that actually is how I woke up...her reaction to what I said told me that my gut was valid and I needed to act.

Needless to say...those two are no longer my friends after that. I'd rather have no friends than friends that aren't true blue.

My family even with their trying times with their ex's were judgemental..but luckily they began to see through him or that would have really hurt.

As I left him he was quoting the bible (when he never read it the years I knew him) on what a wife's duties were (very distorted and cherry picked). He called my mom begging her to do something about me when he at no time ever called my mom before.

How's that for drama? HAHA!

What a dork. My divorce was ugly (there's stuff I could say but then everyone who knows me would know I am Eowyn because it is quite unusual) but everyone stood by me. Even my mother-in-law. If the ex had started quoting the bible I would have called an exorcist or the ghost busters, maybe those alien trackers from men in black because it would have been an invasion of the body snatcher type problem.

812 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 3:10:00pm
Some AIDS victims are being buried alive in Papua New Guinea by relatives who cannot look after them and fear becoming infected themselves, a health worker said Monday.
Margaret Marabe, who spent five months carrying out an AIDS awareness campaign in the remote Southern Highlands of the South Pacific nation, said she had seen five people buried while still breathing.

One was calling out "Mama, Mama" as the soil was shoveled over his head, said Marabe, who works for a volunteer organisation called Igat Hope, Pidgin English for I've Got Hope.

"One of them was my cousin, who was buried alive," she told reporters.

"I said, 'Why are they doing that?' And they said, 'If we let them live, stay in the same house, eat together and use or share utensils, we will contract the disease and we too might die.'"

Villagers had told her it was common for people to bury AIDS victims alive.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

813 Highrise  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 3:10:37pm

re: #809 goodbye_natalie

re: #796 Highrise

I've been reading your stuff from above. You sound pretty solid after all the crap. Hang in there...

Do you mind if I ask the general location you live? In reading the rates for child care and the like from above, I about choked and thought who could afford that?

Near San Fran California. Not in it, but not too far from it.

814 Dianna  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 3:11:42pm

re: #799 goodbye_natalie

They should!

A friend of mine (years ago) kept a very small jar in his car for the butts. He said that people who threw their butts out the window were dangerous.

Once, when I rode a motorcycle, someone flipped a cigar butt out, and it got stuck between my helmet's faceplate and surround, with the burning side in towards my face. I didn't wreck the bike, but it was a near-run thing.

815 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 3:12:11pm

re: #806 Dianna

It's not just california. Kentucky has smoking bans too. I was at Lexington Airport last year and there is no longer any smoking allowed in the "Tobaccoleaf lounge". Its funny how the government is worried about secondhand smoke but feels free to experiment with anthrax vaccinations on active duty military people.

816 BeerForMyHorses  Tue, Aug 28, 2007 3:12:57pm

re: #812 storagemanager

Some AIDS victims are being buried alive in Papua New Guinea by relatives who cannot look after them and fear becoming infected themselves, a health worker said Monday.
Margaret Marabe, who spent five months carrying out an AIDS awareness campaign in the remote Southern Highlands of the South Pacific nation, said she had seen five people buried while still breathing.
One was calling out "Mama, Mama" as the soil was shoveled over his head, said Marabe, who works for a volunteer organisation called Igat Hope, Pidgin English for I've Got Hope