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Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 9:15:03 am PDT

Our ally Pakistan is now getting into the “billions of offended Muslims” act, whining to the Swedish government about the dreaded roundabout dogs of blasphemy: Pakistan slams Sweden for Muhammad cartoon.

And it seems that the Swedish government is already beginning to cave in.

Pakistan has added its voice to that of Iran in condemning the publication of cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad in newspaper Nerikes Allehanda.

The Swedish Chargé d’Affaires in Islamabad was called to the Pakistani Foreign Office on Thursday for a dressing down by a government official. The move comes several days after a Swedish diplomat in Teheran was summoned by the government there to face a similar protest.

In a statement, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said Pakistan condemned the publication “in the strongest terms.”

Regrettably, the tendency among some Europeans to mix the freedom of expression with an outright and deliberate insult to 1.3 billion Muslims in the world is on the rise,” the statement said.

It went on to say that the Swedish Chargé d’Affaires said the Swedish government “fully shared the views of the Muslim community” and called the publication “unfortunate.”

Nerikes Allehanda editor Ulf Johansson told The Local that it would be “peculiar” if the Swedish Chargé d’Affaires had criticized the cartoon. Such a statement would contradict the Swedish government’s previous line of not interfering with press freedom, he said.

“We have noted this and contacted the Swedish Foreign Ministry for an explanation,” he said.

Here’s Pakistan’s official seethe.

PAKISTAN CONDEMNS THE PUBLICATION OF OFFENSIVE SKETCH IN SWEDEN

Pakistan condemns, in the strongest terms, the publication of an offensive and blasphemous sketch of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) in the Swedish newspaper “Nerikes Allehanda” in the city of Orebro. Regrettably, the tendency among some Europeans to mix the freedom of expression with an outright and deliberate insult to 1.3 billion Muslims in the world is on the rise. In the past also sketches and caricatures of this nature have been published in Europe in the name of the ‘freedom of expression’. Such acts deeply undermine the efforts of those who seek to promote respect and understanding among religions and civilizations.

Today the Swedish Charge d’Affaires was summoned to the Foreign Office by Additional Secretary (Europe) and a strong protest lodged with him. The Swedish Charge d’Affaires was told that the publication of the sketch had caused grave affront to the religious sentiments of Muslims. He was further told that the Government of Pakistan expected greater sensitivity on the part of the Swedish government on this issue. The Swedish Cd’A explained that the Swedish government fully shared the views of the Muslim community and termed the publication as unfortunate.

Pakistan will also hold consultations with the OIC to determine the future course of action against the repetition of such provocative publications. The Government of Pakistan will continue to work, with like-mined countries, in the UN to find ways of addressing the recurring issue of defamation of Islam and its sacred personalities.

Islamabad

30 August, 2007

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1 JamesTKirk  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:16:53am

Can we declare whine haram?

2 Eowyn2  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:17:09am

Wait until tomorrow:)

3 Eowyn2  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:17:35am

re: #1 JamesTKirk

Can we declare whine haram?

would that be Reeed Reeed Whiiine?

4 Eowyn2  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:18:29am

re: #1 JamesTKirk


Its quiet in here. turn on a light, lets see what we have.

5 mean Gene  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:18:33am

While I don't find it a particularly funny cartoon, I am pleased that somebody in publishing had the moxie to print it.
If all the world's non-muslim publishers voluntarily put themselves under sharia standards of conduct we lose!

6 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:18:35am
It [the Pakistani Min. of Foreign Affairs] went on to say that the Swedish Chargé d’Affaires said the Swedish government “fully shared the views of the Muslim community” and called the publication “unfortunate.”

Take with grain of salt. Let's see what the Swedish charge d'affaires claims to have said.

7 NoSubmission  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:18:42am

Mind control.

8 IBEW-CON  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:19:32am

How did the Pakis ever get the "bomb"?

That is scarry!

9 pingjockey  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:19:39am

More cartoons, faster please. Hopefully, this seething will increase and their pointy little heads will explode!

10 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:19:43am
In a statement, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said Pakistan condemned the publication “in the strongest terms.”

So what's their view on the ongoing cross-border incursions by some of their more excitable citizens into Afghanistan? Or are cartoons more important?

11 maddogg  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:20:39am

Here Mo, here boy, tweet, tweet, come, sit, stay, seethe.

12 Fjordman  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:21:26am

God, I'm so tired of this gradual submission. Can't we declare a world war and get it over with?

13 mean Gene  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:21:27am

re: #6 Occasional Reader

It [the Pakistani Min. of Foreign Affairs] went on to say that the Swedish Charg%uFFFD’Affaires said the Swedish government “fully shared the views of the Muslim community” and called the publication “unfortunate.”

Take with grain of salt. Let's see what the Swedish charge d'affaires claims to have said.

Yet the Swedish charge d'affaires in Tehran said
this:
''The Iranian government can protest whatever they want. But the Swedish Foreign Ministry and government have no reason to comment on this protest...''

14 polprof  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:21:56am

The Government of Pakistan will continue to work, with like-mined countries. . .

Please, please, please let this be a Freudian slip and not merely a typo!

15 HolmWrecker  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:21:57am

Allah is a false god and muhammad is nothing but a worthless child molester.
Opps...Did I offend? Good.

16 infinndel  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:22:22am

More and More... Modoggies,...yeaaahh

17 sheik yer'mami  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:22:46am

Is Sweden exporting anything to Islamistan? If not, they may not have to worry that much. The [bigoted word]s might only burn Malmoe and parts of Stockholm...

2 women lose Nato jobs after marrying Muslims

[Link: sheikyermami.com...]

18 maddogg  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:24:04am

Damn! Gotta go to Wallyworld, cause I'm all outta tainted poisoned Chinese Mo chow:(

19 POTUS  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:24:31am

I like the idea of keeping angry Muslims busy writing protest letters rather than building bomb belts.

20 insanity police  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:25:26am

Seems like the Muslim can dish it out, but can't take it.

How about these "non-offensive" cartoons from the Muslim world.

21 pegcity  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:25:28am

Rage boy is ready to roll

22 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:25:39am

IF it wasn't such a utopia in Pakistan, I would've written "Don't they have more pressing things to worry about in Pakistan?"

23 maddogg  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:26:03am

Could Mo lick himself?

24 mondoreb  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:26:07am
And it seems that the Swedish government is already beginning to cave in

I can't get upset about the steady droning worldwide Muslim whine: it's what they do.

It's the constant caving by European governments.
Non-muslim Europeans will one day join the dodos on the list of extinct species who couldn't defend themselves.

25 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:26:08am
26 storagemanager  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:26:09am

I am offended at Islam for this...

...(IsraelNN.com) Top Israeli archaeologists held an emergency press conference on Thursday, warning that a Second Temple courtyard wall is in danger of being destroyed by the Arab excavations there.

Members of the Committee to Prevent the Destruction of Temple Mount Antiquities warned that other artifacts could also be endangered by the unsupervised dig.

Dr. Gavriel Barkai opened by saying, "A month and a half ago, the Muslim Waqf [religious trust] began digging a trench more than 400 meters [1,300 feet] long - the largest such work ever carried out on the Temple Mount... These are criminal acts that have no place in a cultured country."

"Some man-worked stones have been found in the trench, as well as remnants of a wall that according to all our estimations, are from a structure in one of the outer courtyards in the Holy Temple. Such important work is being done without the supervision of the Antiquities Authority."


I think this is a crime.
[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

27 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:26:32am

Sweden, repeat after me: I will not accept Islam as my master.

/guess they can't

28 christheprofessor  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:26:37am

Puling Pakistan needs to get over it...

29 infinndel  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:26:46am

How-much-is-mo-dog-gie-in the window!?
OH-where-or-where can he be!?

30 pingjockey  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:26:48am

Tommorrow is imams rile up the crowds day isn't it? They'll be howling like mad dogs. I like seeing loonie mo ham heads howling.

31 maddogg  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:27:39am

Theres one dog I'd send to Vick.

32 looking closely  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:27:49am

The gall of these people. . .
Since when do Pakistanis read Swedish Newspapers?

33 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:28:03am

re: #13 mean Gene

''The Iranian government can protest whatever they want. But the Swedish Foreign Ministry and government have no reason to comment on this protest...''

I think that's about as close as it gets to "go piss up a rope" in Diplospeak.

34 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:28:38am
35 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:29:32am

re: #23 maddogg

Odiphobliobo?

The spelling is suspect, but when we were kids that was supposed to mean "the ability to lick your own balls" like a dog can.

36 astronmr20  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:29:45am

These swedes were one of the last European holdouts on freedom of expression.

I fear that may soon erode.

37 Shemesh  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:29:48am

Lot's of other things on this artist's website:

[Link: www.vilks.net...]

Including a drawing of pig with a Jew's head:

[Link: www.vilks.net...]

The caption reads:
'Modern kapitaliststinn judesugga på väg ut för att böka sönder några fredliga byar (i Cézannes stil)'
- can anyone translate the Swedish, please?

38 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:30:23am

re: #20 insanity police

Seems like the Muslim can dish it out, but can't take it.

How about these "non-offensive" cartoons from the Muslim world.

Those are simply wonderful expressions of an authentic, diversely indigenous culture. What are you, some kind of racist?

39 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:30:35am

re: #32 looking closely

More Pakistanis read Swedish newspapers than Australian Christians look at art.

40 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:32:07am

re: #37 Shemesh

I don't speak Swedish, but it looks like it says Modern Capitalist Jewish Pig.

41 LC LaWedgie  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:32:10am
42 Atweber  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:32:43am

ok so now the truth an insult

43 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:33:07am
“billions of offended Muslims”

I thought it was quintillions.

44 Princeps  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:33:19am

Dear Pakistan,

If you don't like the cartoon, then don't look at it. In the civilized world we have freedoms not enjoyed by your oppressive culture. Don't stick your nose in our business.

Sincerely,
Western Civilization

45 Shemesh  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:33:30am

re: #40 Ben Hur

- that's pretty much how I understood it as well, though best to check with someone who can read Swedish

46 sheik yer'mami  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:33:31am

Muslims in Australia plan to defame anti-jihadists

[Link: sheikyermami.com...]

47 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:33:43am

re: #41 LC LaWedgie

Queensland artist Priscilla Bracks denied she had deliberately set out to be offensive.

"Absolutely not, no, no. I am not interested in being offensive. I am interested in having a discussion and asking questions about how we think about our world and what we accept and what we don't accept," she told ABC radio.

Meaning, that which is offensive.

48 storagemanager  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:34:16am

Iran is a truther...

.."US President George W Bush and American neoconservatives make utmost use of al-Qaeda and Taliban acts," he added.

He said, "Main crimes by al-Qaeda in the world are in line with interests of the US extremists."
The MP noted that news reveal that the US works with Taliban and has confidential talks with al-Qaeda.

"In its terrorist acts, al-Qaeda takes interests of the US and the Zionist regime into consideration," Jalali said.

Bush has always strived to cause obstruction and raise accusations against others and Iran in particular, he stated, adding, "This is while the world's public opinion know that al-Qaeda is led by Washington."


[Link: www2.irna.com...]

49 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:34:23am

re: #45 Shemesh

I know shit when I smell it. I don't need a taste test to verify it.

50 Clio  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:34:54am

re: #26 storagemanager

It is a worse crime that this has been going on for years and no Israeli authority or government would do a thing to stop it.

Not even with international petitions of archaeologists and other concerned scholars to stop this irrevocable destruction of both Jewish and Christian history.

Deliberately destroying knowledge is a Crime Against Humanity.

51 Fjordman  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:35:06am

#27: They already did. The Swedish Social Democrats launched a formalized cooperation with the Muslim Brotherhood a couple of weeks ago. The Social Democrat Ola Johansson has referred to the book Social Justice in Islam by Sayyid Qutb, the notorious Muslim Brotherhood member who has become the spiritual guide for Islamic Jihad terrorists worldwide, as a proof that Muslims support the welfare state and can thus make common cause with the Socialists.

52 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:35:15am

re: #43 Ward Cleaver

“billions of offended Muslims”

I thought it was quintillions.

No no.

Quintillions is the amount of people that would've been killed in Jordan non-9/11.

53 the historian  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:35:31am

In free nations we publish and read what we choose. No fascist government or ideology will dictate to free people. They can take their demands and smoke them.

www.greensrealworld.blogspot.com

54 AuntAcid  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:35:43am

"...tendency among some Europeans to mix the freedom of expression with an outright and deliberate insult to 1.3 billion Muslims in the world ..."
We're just funning with ya, Mo. Like poking a stick in an ant's nest.

55 Maine's Michael  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:35:51am
“Regrettably, the tendency among some Europeans to mix the freedom of expression with an outright and deliberate insult to 1.3 billion Muslims in the world is on the rise,”

He went on to say: "It is so much easier, natural, and especially less dangerous to restrict insults to the world's 13 million Jews."

56 astronmr20  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:36:15am

re: #19 POTUS

I like the idea of keeping angry Muslims busy writing protest letters rather than building bomb belts.

The bomb belts ARE their protest letters, generally.

57 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:36:29am
“Regrettably, the tendency among some Europeans to mix the freedom of expression with an outright and deliberate insult to 1.3 billion Muslims in the world is on the rise,” the statement said.

Just once, I would like to see one of these jokers figure out that their actions might have prompted people to insult them.

It's childish, and uncalled-for (and the cartoon sucks), but it's a predictable human reaction. A significant number of members of this group insults, degrades, bullies, bombs, and KILLS members of other groups on a near-daily basis. Building an unnecessary mosque right next to a historic cathedral was just one example. Endlessly claiming Spain as stolen Muslim territory is another. Blowing uop trains in Madrid? How many eyes can you poke your finger into before someone takes offense and just doesn't like you?

Even Euros are going to eventually develop a bad taste in their mouths.

Even USAmericans (I do not find the term redundant) will eventually look up from their other trivial pursuits and notice.

And the first bits of notice, like the deliberate cartoon jabs, are going to be rude, in all likelihood.

Proof that people who live in glass houses should not blow up their neighbors, or something like that.

OldLineTexan

58 Alucard  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:36:57am

The Swedish government is a dhimmi government if it does the biddings of the Pakistan regime.

59 mean Gene  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:37:03am

re: #33 Occasional Reader
Yup.

Don't you just with those two Swedish charge d'affaires (re: comments #6 and #13) could get their viewpoints aligned?

60 Shemesh  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:37:27am

re: #49 Ben Hur

Me too, which is why I posted on it. But I'd still like to know more about this guy and what he's up to.

61 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:38:38am

re: #60 Shemesh

He's Swedish.

Ignore him.

62 Ceemack[deleted]  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:38:52am
63 rawmuse  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:38:55am

"How did the Pakis ever get the "bomb"?

Our friends the Chinese, you know, the ones with the most favored nation status, the ones hosting the Olympics, the ones with 18 milion males with no females to marry, the ones giving money to Norman Hsu, who gives it to Hillary!, the ones trying to poison our kids and dogs.

64 Shemesh  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:40:37am

re: #61 Ben Hur

O.K.

65 Ginn  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:40:38am
Regrettably, the tendency among some Europeans to mix the freedom of expression with an outright and deliberate insult to 1.3 billion Muslims in the world is on the rise

I like this "tendency" of freedom of expression. It proves, once again, that Islam is not the socalled "Religion Of Peace" and that it has governments, i.e. Iran and now Pakistan backing it up to issue threats.

Since when does a foriegn country feels it has the right to dictate the "freedom of expression" in another country?

Well, laddies, we're seeing it now.

66 mean Gene  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:40:50am

OT:

United Nations weapons inspectors discovered six to eight vials of a dangerous nerve gas, phosgene, as they were cleaning out offices at a U.N. building in New York this morning, federal authorities tell the Blotter on ABCNews.com. The federal authorities said the office, in a U.N. building near headquarters, was being evacuated and the White House had been notified at 10 a.m. New York police and fire officials reported to the scene around 12:15 this afternoon...

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

67 Ginn  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:41:11am

re: #43 Ward Cleaver

“billions of offended Muslims”
I thought it was quintillions.

The Muslim "Tribble" Effect

68 macintush  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:41:22am

Such homage to a mortal being smacks of idolatry.

69 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:41:28am

Well, back when Jimmuh Carter was President, Pakistan permitted a mob to attack the US embassy and kill a US Marine, based simply on the rumor that the US was involved in a Shia vs Sunni riot at the Hajj in Mecca.

Since I imagine the Swedes evoke a similar amount of fear as Jimuh Carter does, if the Swedes don't cower like dogs their embassy will be a smoking ruin, their diplomatic staff dead and maybe raped.

I suppose the solution is not to have an embassy in Pakistan, prohibit travel to Pakistan, and then just ignore the whining. But that isn't the European way.

70 storagemanager  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:42:10am
Lebanon's pro-Syrian president said on Thursday he would appoint an interim government headed by the army chief if rival Lebanese leaders cannot agree on a new head of state before his term expires in November.

President Emile Lahoud's remark raised the stakes in a deep political conflict which pits the anti-Syrian Beirut government, backed by the United States, against an opposition coalition including factions allied to Damascus and Tehran.Such a step by Lahoud, who has already hinted he could appoint a new cabinet, would result in two governments, assuming army commander Michel Suleiman were to accept the job, analysts said.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

71 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:42:45am
72 EC Marm  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:42:57am

Pakistan whines - sounds like 'all bark and no bite' to me.

73 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:43:26am

Iraq says Iran continues shelling despite protest


Iran has been shelling Northern Iraq?

I guess that news didn't make it to the Palestine hotel.

74 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:43:36am

re: #66 mean Gene

OT:


United Nations weapons inspectors discovered six to eight vials of a dangerous nerve gas, phosgene, as they were cleaning out offices at a U.N. building in New York this morning, federal authorities tell the Blotter on ABCNews.com. The federal authorities said the office, in a U.N. building near headquarters, was being evacuated and the White House had been notified at 10 a.m. New York police and fire officials reported to the scene around 12:15 this afternoon...

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

I guess this makes the UN an official terrorist organization. Ship 'em all to Gitmo and let the ghost of Fidel sort them out.

Or were the vials in a box marked "To Kofi From Saddam", with SECRET stamped on top?

OldLineTexan

75 storagemanager  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:44:15am

re: #66 mean Gene

OT:


United Nations weapons inspectors discovered six to eight vials of a dangerous nerve gas, phosgene, as they were cleaning out offices at a U.N. building in New York this morning, federal authorities tell the Blotter on ABCNews.com. The federal authorities said the office, in a U.N. building near headquarters, was being evacuated and the White House had been notified at 10 a.m. New York police and fire officials reported to the scene around 12:15 this afternoon...

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

That is big!

76 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:44:17am

re: #51 Fjordman

The Muslims are only using the Swedish Social Democrats as a stepping stone to power. In a generation or so, the Muslims will be in total control.

77 jamgarr  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:44:47am

Don't get me wrong on this ( I recognize the whiny seething as much as the next lizard - I did coin the phrase "Harpe Diem - Seethe the Day") but I really don't have much of a problem with Muslims complaining about a drawing like this one - sure, it seems like much ado about nothing but as long as the complaining is kept to that, without violence or threats it doesn't bother me. The trick, of course, is keeping it to complaints without violence or threats.

78 Thanos  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:44:49am

re: #63 rawmuse

"How did the Pakis ever get the "bomb"?

Our friends the Chinese, you know, the ones with the most favored nation status, the ones hosting the Olympics, the ones with 18 milion males with no females to marry, the ones giving money to Norman Hsu, who gives it to Hillary!, the ones trying to poison our kids and dogs.

Dr. A Q Khan, also where Iran got their start, and where the NK's got theirs.

79 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:44:53am

Of course, this whining is also a quick and easy way for Musharaf's government to pretend they are defending Islam and somewhat reduce the chance that Pervez is assassinated in the next few weeks.

80 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:45:17am

re: #75 storagemanager

It's probably leftovers from Colin Powel's speech.

81 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:45:59am

re: #79 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Of course, this whining is also a quick and easy way for Musharaf's government to pretend they are defending Islam and somewhat reduce the chance that Pervez is assassinated in the next few weeks.

If so, the Paki Dept. of Strategic Seething is way better than Condi. Let's hire them and outsource State.

OldLineTexan

82 zardah  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:46:25am

Why is it Muslims are always barking up the wrong tree, chasing their own tails, and otherwise dogging people?

oh

83 Nisse  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:46:27am

re: #37 Shemesh


The caption reads:
'Modern kapitaliststinn judesugga på väg ut för att böka sönder några fredliga byar (i Cezannes stil)'
- can anyone translate the Swedish, please?

'Modern capitalist-bulging (!) jewish sow on her way out to root out some peaceful villages (Cezanne style).'

He drew this picture because someone dared him to also draw something mocking jews and christians in the same way as he'd done with Mo, and why shouldn't he?
No riots or even critisism from the "offended" followed.

'kapitaliststinn' is his own word invention so it's hard to translate, but I think the meaning is obvious - 'bulging like a fat well fed capitalist pig'

84 Fjordman  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:47:09am

#63: The more I read about China, the less convinced I am about its superpower future. I don't question China's potential to become the world's leading power, but as history shows, potential alone is not enough to ensure actual success. China also had the potential to become the first civilization to initiate the Industrial Revolution during the Song dynasty, but for some reason it failed and the torch passed to Europe. Many of China's best and brightest leave for Western countries, especially the United States, and never look back. Why do they do so if this truly is the dawn of the Chinese century? I am convinced that free speech in the long run has a major impact on the economic development of a country. If the Chinese cannot ensure some measure of political liberty, I'm not sure their current economic progress is sustainable in the long run.

This begs another question: What happens if there is an economic collapse and political revolution in China? Isn't it likely that this will trigger a flood wave of migrants to the West? If so, can we handle that? Yes, the Chinese as other non-Muslims are always preferable to Muslims as immigrants, but the problem with the Chinese is that there are so many of them. We are already faced with rising ethnic tensions. Mass immigration constitutes an existential threat to the West in the 21st century. There are hundreds of millions, potentially billions, of people who want to live in our countries. We obviously cannot let them all in. Yet our corporate, political and media elites keep pushing an unsustainable open border ideology. We need to push for a more ruthless enforcement of our borders. This isn't about some hypothetical possibility of earning a few more bucks over the next five years, it is about our very survival as a civilization.

85 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:47:33am
86 astronmr20  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:47:44am

re: #77 jamgarr

Don't get me wrong on this ( I recognize the whiny seething as much as the next lizard - I did coin the phrase "Harpe Diem - Seethe the Day") but I really don't have much of a problem with Muslims complaining about a drawing like this one - sure, it seems like much ado about nothing but as long as the complaining is kept to that, without violence or threats it doesn't bother me. The trick, of course, is keeping it to complaints without violence or threats.

It's not the compaining I have a problem with, either.

It's the demand that the writers or cartoonists be silenced.

87 Eowyn2  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:47:47am

re: #12 Fjordman

God, I'm so tired of this gradual submission. Can't we declare a world war and get it over with?


the war started 10 yrs ago but we're still dancing at the duchess of richmond's ball.

88 pat  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:48:38am
Saudi sends frozen camel samples to France
Web posted at: 8/30/2007 2:20:10
Source ::: AFP

RIYADH %u2022 Saudi Arabia has sent frozen samples of dead camels to France to try to discover why dozens are dying each day, along with cattle and sheep, newspapers said yesterday. Al Watan newspaper said 60 more camels died on Tuesday as well as 400 sheep and seven cows. There was no official confirmation of the figures.

The camel samples were sent on Tuesday as Saudi officials came under increasing criticism by owners of herds for not acting more quickly to try to determine ways to tackle the problem.

On August 25, some two weeks after the beasts began to die, Agriculture Minister Fahd bin Abdul Rahman Balghnaim said nearly 2,000 camels had died. "It is not because of an infectious disease. These were cases of poisoning," the minister was quoted as saying by the SPA.

Balghnaim said the animals were fed bran that had been bought from traders whose bran stocks were contaminated.

[Link: www.thepeninsulaqatar.com...]

89 Fjordman  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:48:54am
The Muslims are only using the Swedish Social Democrats as a stepping stone to power. In a generation or so, the Muslims will be in total control.

Sure, and Socialist parties all over Europe appear to be OK with that.

90 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:50:04am

re: #87 Eowyn2

The war started 14 centuries ago. We just thought it was over and forgot about it.

91 Le_Patriot  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:50:20am

Ullah Yukbar!
Cartoon this!
STFU, all murderous sheeples who believe MuhummDork was a prophet. . . wait ... he just called me on my cellphone and sez he wants
you all to blow yourselves up to prove your true allegience to Islam.
Wait, no it wasn't my cellphone...he really appeared to me in a dream.
All together now . . 1...2...3... KABOOM! (Idiots! Morons! Cowards!)

There, I've vented. : )

92 jamgarr  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:50:39am

re: #86 astronmr20

It's the demand that the writers or cartoonists be silenced.

Yep, that crosses the line.

93 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:50:51am
94 storagemanager  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:51:22am

And tomorrow is Muslim rage day...

...Militants kidnap at least 25 Pakistani soldiers near Afghan border


Published: 08.30.07, 19:43 / Israel News

Islamic militants ambushed several vehicles carrying dozens of soldiers in troubled northwestern Pakistan on Thursday, kidnapping at least 25 of them after snatching their weapons, officials said.

The soldiers were traveling between Wana, the main town in South Waziristan and Ladha, another town in the region, two intelligence officials said on condition of anonymity because of agency policy. One of the officials said at least 25 soldiers were kidnapped, while the other said there were between 70 and 100 soldiers taken. An army officer based near the capital, Islamabad, confirmed the incident, but provided no further details.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

95 Moonbattery  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:52:05am

This war started in the 70's and we still haven't developed large enough to cajones to put aside PC and end it for good.

96 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:52:16am

re: #88 pat

They've been riding camels for eons in the Levant.

And they still can't treat them themselves.

Oil money goes a long way to educate

97 RTLM  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:52:17am

Breaking: "Chemical Agent" found in UN office.

/Well arrest him then!

98 Eowyn2  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:52:25am

re: #48 storagemanager

Iran is a truther...

.."US President George W Bush and American neoconservatives make utmost use of al-Qaeda and Taliban acts," he added.
He said, "Main crimes by al-Qaeda in the world are in line with interests of the US extremists."
The MP noted that news reveal that the US works with Taliban and has confidential talks with al-Qaeda.

"In its terrorist acts, al-Qaeda takes interests of the US and the Zionist regime into consideration," Jalali said.

Bush has always strived to cause obstruction and raise accusations against others and Iran in particular, he stated, adding, "This is while the world's public opinion know that al-Qaeda is led by Washington."


[Link: www2.irna.com...]

I thought I had a good grasp on irony and sarcasm but I'm afraid I just can't compete with this guy.

99 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:52:35am
“Regrettably, the tendency among some Europeans to mix the freedom of expression with an outright and deliberate insult to 1.3 billion 557 Gazillion Muslims in the world is on the rise,” the statement said.

There, fixed it.

100 JohnSteele  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:52:57am

re: #20 insanity police

Seems like the Muslim can dish it out, but can't take it.

How about these "non-offensive" cartoons from the Muslim world.


Maybe, just maybe, if the lily-livered governments of the west would call the various Islamic state ambassadors in and protest when one of their newspapers runs some of the filth they run we might make some progress. Of course if that happened the Islamic state "diplomats" would spend all their time scurrying back and forth the various foreign ministries --- they wouldn't have time to do anything else.

But I'm afraid he governments of the west don't have any cajones left.

101 Silhouette  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:53:19am

re: #77 jamgarr

I agree I like strongly worded letters better than pipe bombs. It bothers me greatly that they complained to the government, not to the paper. Are they demanding the government take governmental action to stop these? If so, it shows a basic lack of understanding of freedom, or perhaps a complete understanding that they are demanding we give up.

The following makes me think they plan on doing more than complaining, but plan on forcing us to obey Islamic law

Pakistan will also hold consultations with the OIC to determine the future course of action against the repetition of such provocative publications.
102 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:53:29am

re: #88 pat

Found this there.


Lebanese army receives 130 US Humvees

103 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:53:45am

re: #79 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Of course, this whining is also a quick and easy way for Musharaf's government to pretend they are defending Islam and somewhat reduce the chance that Pervez is assassinated in the next few weeks.

Speaking of which, what are the Las Vegas odds on ol' Pervez this week? I don't like betting against the house.

104 zardah  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:54:45am

#75

in the article: "They need to get it out of there and put it in a safe canister," Hauer said. "It shows immense stupidity to have that kind of thing sitting around as a souvenir"

oh, ok, the vials were just "souvenirs" swell, fine, alright, nothing to see here, move along people..

105 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:55:03am

re: #21 pegcity

Rage boy is ready to roll

I hear Rage Boy is in line to be the next GEICO caveman...

106 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:55:10am

re: #99 Oh no...Sand People!

“Regrettably, the tendency among some Europeans to mix the freedom of expression with an outright and deliberate insult to 1.3 billion 557 666 Gazillion Muslims in the world is on the rise,” the statement said.
There, fixed it.

There, fixed it.

107 sheik yer'mami  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:55:36am

re: #51 Fjordman

Unbelievable. The red ratbags are the first to get their heads chopped off when the Muhammedans implement the sharia. Remember Iran?

108 RTLM  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:56:22am

re: #84 Fjordman

I've had the idea that China may likely eye Russia - with its 11 time zones and only 125 million people as a tempting migration destination.

By force if necessary.

109 astronmr20  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:56:49am

re: #88 pat

Saudi sends frozen camel samples to France
Web posted at: 8/30/2007 2:20:10
Source ::: AFPRIYADH %u2022 Saudi Arabia has sent frozen samples of dead camels to France to try to discover why dozens are dying each day, along with cattle and sheep, newspapers said yesterday. Al Watan newspaper said 60 more camels died on Tuesday as well as 400 sheep and seven cows. There was no official confirmation of the figures.

The camel samples were sent on Tuesday as Saudi officials came under increasing criticism by owners of herds for not acting more quickly to try to determine ways to tackle the problem.

On August 25, some two weeks after the beasts began to die, Agriculture Minister Fahd bin Abdul Rahman Balghnaim said nearly 2,000 camels had died. "It is not because of an infectious disease. These were cases of poisoning," the minister was quoted as saying by the SPA.

Balghnaim said the animals were fed bran that had been bought from traders whose bran stocks were contaminated.

[Link: www.thepeninsulaqatar.com...]

Da Joooz!

110 pat  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:57:08am

Sweden: Iran upset at "Mohammed dogs"

Sweden is currently dealing with its own "cartoon crisis" after a Swedish newspaper published a cartoon of Mohammed as a dog. Iran has officially protested the cartoon and Iranian President Ahmadinejad has blamed the Zionists for it.

The claim came during a tirade against Israel, in which Ahmadineja accused Zionists of sowing conflict, publishing offensive cartoons and "lying about being Jewish."

"Zionists are people without any religion," Ahmadinejad, who has repeatedly predicted that Israel is doomed to disappear, told a news conference in Tehran. "They are lying about being Jewish because religion means brotherhood, friendship and respecting other divine religions," he said.

[Link: islamineurope.blogspot.com...]

111 Eowyn2  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:57:18am

re: #90 Kenneth

re: #87 Eowyn2

The war started 14 centuries ago. We just thought it was over and forgot about it.

Thats true. We keep getting battles and wars mixed up. Plus there were a few other wars to take our mind off this one.

I may have to take a couple of months off and see which western wars were resultant of the Islamic jihads back in the day.

112 pingjockey  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:58:15am

China vs Russia; Tom Clancy book, "The Bear and the Dragon". China has to do something with all those single males without a chance to get any.

113 mondoreb  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:58:25am
the “billions of offended Muslims” act

Every time I hear this phrase, I glaze over like I did whenever I heard Carl Sagan intone: "Billions and billions of stars".

He's in a better place now

114 pat  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:58:46am

re: #96 Ben Hur

Whine and beg when helpless, kill and pillage when one can. The foremost rule of Islam.

115 pat  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:00:59am

re: #102 Ben Hur

I consider the Pennisular to be among the best papers in the Middle East.

116 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:02:07am

OT

12Z GFS model takes Pacific Tropical Disturbance 95E as a hurricane weakening to a tropical storm towards Ensenada, BC del Norte, MX, with rain spreading into extreme SoCal this time next week...

117 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:03:51am

re: #97 RTLM

They're old vials of phosgene gas from the Iran-Iraq war - someone was stupid to hold on to them as souveniers. They were also apparently procured to be used to calibrate detection equipment.

118 pingjockey  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:07:01am

re: #117 lawhawk These peolpe are idiots. You don't do calibration of NBC(nuclear, biological, chemical) detection gear in an office building. Oh, wait, this is the UN.(uber-nerds).

119 Le_Patriot  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:09:37am
120 Le_Patriot  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:11:51am

Linked on Drudge site:
Sikhs Angered Over New TSA Hat-Checking Policyhttp://wcbstv.com/local/local_story_241200107.html

121 sloggin420[deleted]  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:17:07am
122 scott in east bay  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:23:27am

As an American, I have the right to piss off, insult, annoy, and denigrate 1.3 billion Muslims any time I want.

Happy now, Pakistan?

123 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:24:28am

re: #111 Eowyn2

...but you're right about the current phase or battle. It started before George W Bush became President, and it will continue long after he has returned to his ranch in Crawford.

124 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:28:03am

re: #117 lawhawk

Hey, a few years back a colleague retired and in clearing out his office, the staff discovered several kilos of depleted uranium behind his bookshelf. Apparantly, they had been there for over a decade. He'd forgotten about them.

Du-uh!

125 abu_garcia  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:32:24am
“Regrettably, the tendency among some Europeans to mix the freedom of expression with an outright and deliberate insult to 1.3 billion Muslims in the world is on the rise,”

Yeah, Ahmed, totally unprovoked, what the hell is wrong with Europeans?

126 Perplexed  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:38:13am

re: #122 scott in east bay

As an American, I have the right to piss off, insult, annoy, and denigrate 1.3 billion Muslims any time I want.

Happy now, Pakistan?

Here, let me help you out on your quest. Here is a site that the islamocomputer geeks have attempted to shut down at least 5 times and each time it comes back with more. If you are sensitive to interspecies dating (i.e. dogs and pigs), degrading pictures of the prophet for profit, then don't go over there as it will offend you.

127 Perplexed  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:40:12am

re: #120 Le_Patriot

Linked on Drudge site:
Sikhs Angered Over New TSA Hat-Checking Policyhttp://wcbstv.com/local/local_story_2412 00107.html

I would agree with this one if and only if they make the burqa babes remove their headgear as well so it can be thoroughly searched for contraband.

128 FriarsTale  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:43:39am

sacred personalities?
you mean the sociopathic delusional warmongering pedophile?
that sacred personality?

129 Le_Patriot  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:46:59am

re: #126 Perplexed

That's a keeper ... I'm saving the link!

130 MrTunes  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:50:02am

Freedom of expression is an absolute. There is no gray area. The Dixie Chicks can say whatever they want, and people are free to avoid their throw-away bubblegum brand of country music...just as the Swedish press/creatives should be able to doodle anything they like, followed by the requisite scream by Islamic Rage Boy. Special treatment for anything or anyone runs smack in the face of the original premise. Why is it so difficult for people to understand?

131 Perplexed  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:53:10am

Hey, the seething muslims want it just like in the days of their prophet for profit. Insult him and you die. Insult the moon-dog allah and you die. Show disrespect and you die.

132 rang1995  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:59:10am

First Michael Vick, and now the defacing of dogs with MO..I call For all P.E.T.A. members to protest again

133 LEGION  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 11:08:45am

re: #90 Kenneth

re: #87 Eowyn2

The war started 14 centuries ago. We just thought it was over and forgot about it.

They want to rumble? I say lets get it on, we're not getting any stronger or younger.

134 dennisw  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 11:19:10am

These [bigoted word]s need to get over themselves and their false prophet. Only idiots follow a false prophet

135 Le_Patriot  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 11:27:25am

U. S. Cartoonists fight back
(Oldies but goodies...to register high on the Seethe Meter)

136 Sounder  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 11:30:28am

No real new news here.

Muslims are offended by absolutely everything western including all infidels. Cartoon not required.

137 Shemesh  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 12:18:06pm

re: #83 Nisse

Thanks.

138 Largecanine  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 1:02:08pm

Its not like Sweden is a real democracy. You have your choice of center-left (socialist) and center-right (socialist) parties. Actual voices of dissent are not shut down with jackbooted SMG toting thugs, but by a pat on the arm and a gentle "you are not allowed to have that opinion in public", followed by a fine and the threat to remove your broadcasting license. They just go thru the motions of elections.

139 Farang Kheemao  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 1:11:14pm

re: #136 Sounder

No real new news here.

Muslims are offended by absolutely everything western including all infidels. Cartoon not required.

Then why don't they stay in their own f'n countries.

140 EE  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 5:14:53pm

I don't understand how it can be claimed that a billion Muslims who don't live in my country can control what I say or write or do. In a kafir country, with most of the population of the country kafirs, the principle of democracy suggests that it's the kafirs who could decide that freedom of speech is a value that they want to have in their kafir country. Why do Muslims who don't even live in the country have any rights at all, let alone the right to decide what kafirs in my country may and may not do. I see that as a gross interference and huge arrogance.

Same with any kafir country.

If a Swede living in Sweden wants to exercise the right to freedom of expression, how can a group of people not living in Sweden exercise censorship over that? Or do they get some special transnational rights because these foreigners are Muslims?

141 Clutch  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 6:47:09pm

Mo's head is comin' from the wrong end of the dog.

142 Droplet  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 8:38:44pm

What the hell is a roundabout dog?

143 Nisse  Fri, Aug 31, 2007 8:16:28am

re: #142 Droplet
You can read all about it here.

144 SueG  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:16:28am

What was the reason to draw this cartoon (it's ugly drawn btw)? I dont see the necessity to it. Nor do I see the necessity of protesting against it. I'd respectively say to one and another: go to drawing lessons and go to "how not to get so easily offended"-lessons. For both of them I'd suggest a stress-reducing therapy while drinking some nice cup of tea or a good glass of wine (or whatever you'd like to drink).

145 SueG  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:19:04am

re: #140 EE


If a Swede living in Sweden wants to exercise the right to freedom of expression, how can a group of people not living in Sweden exercise censorship over that? Or do they get some special transnational rights because these foreigners are Muslims?

Well. It's not the first time that country X interefers with the business of country Y. It's been like this in all times. Nothing new to it.


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