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-RetweetNerve Gas Discovered at United Nations Building?

Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 9:52:38 am PDT

According to ABC News, UN weapons inspectors have finally discovered some weapons of mass destruction—at a United Nations building in Manhattan: Nerve Gas Scare at U.N. Headquarters.

United Nations weapons inspectors discovered six to eight vials of a dangerous nerve gas, phosgene, as they were cleaning out offices at a U.N. building in New York this morning, federal authorities tell the Blotter on ABCNews.com.

The federal authorities said the office, in a U.N. building near headquarters, was being evacuated and the White House had been notified at 10 a.m. New York police and fire officials reported to the scene around 12:15 this afternoon. A U.N. spokesperson said a statement would be issued shortly.

Authorities said the phosgene was believed to have been discovered in Iraq and manufactured prior to 1991.

Former U.N. weapons inspectors told ABCNews.com that vials of phosgene had also been used by inspectors in Iraq to help calibrate air sampling instruments.

The former inspectors said the remaining vials were supposed to have been destroyed.

If it is properly sealed, it should not pose much of a threat unless it is dropped,” said former New York City emergency services director Jerry Hauer, an ABC News consultant. [The understatement of the year. – ed.]

“They need to get it out of there and put it in a safe canister,” Hauer said. “It shows immense stupidity to have that kind of thing sitting around as a souvenir.”

Stupidity? Maybe so, but it could also have been something much worse.

UPDATE at 8/30/07 10:02:35 am:

Phosgene is not a “nerve gas,” as ABC’s Blotter reported; it’s technically classified as a “nettle agent” used in chemical warfare. More info at the CDC: Facts About Phosgene.

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1 socalinfidel  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:53:53am

They have some NERVE!

2 dr.bob  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:54:50am

So that's where Sadam hid them!

3 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:55:10am
4 phil flavin  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:55:12am

the UN and immense stupidity in the same sentence? Sounds right to me!

5 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:55:27am

Zionist plot.

6 pingjockey  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:55:36am

Too bad it wasn't "nerve" gas. Give the UN some balls in dealing with i'm a dinner jacket, the palis', seething muslim hordes, etc.. but it's probably some of saddams' stash.

7 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:56:08am

Kofi forgot a few items during office cleaning did he...

8 me  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:56:48am

get the UN out of the US - now ! And get the US out of the UN - now !

9 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:57:24am

These are the same weapons inspectors that were supposed to find Sadam's gear, and they couldn't even find the shit when it was in their own offices.

10 bulwrk  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:57:28am

“It shows immense stupidity to have that kind of thing sitting around as a souvenir.”

Is he talking about the U.N. still being in NY?

11 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:57:33am

I'll admit that my office is not the neatest. But I think I'd notice stray vials of phosgene lying around, and take care of them.

(BTW, phosgene is not a "nerve gas")

12 realwest  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:57:55am

Jeebus, the news gets just more and more weirod every fuckin' day.
Someone kept a vial of nerves gas as a souvenir?
It's stories like this that make me want to help speed up Darwin's "process".

13 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:57:59am

Mustabeen under one of the 3 shells at Turtle Bay...

14 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:58:18am
15 lowandslow  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:58:19am

Immense stupidity at the UN? Say it ain't so.

16 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:58:25am
Authorities said the phosgene was believed to have been discovered in Iraq and manufactured prior to 1991.

Read:

Yes yes, we know what you're thinking, but Bush still lied.

/ABC

17 Geepers  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:58:36am
Authorities said the phosgene was believed to have been discovered in Iraq and manufactured prior to 1991.

"Hey what should we do with this nerve gas?"

"Oh I don't know, stick it over there. We'll take care of it later."

18 Kefirah  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:58:41am

what is phosgene?

and seriously, i am completely amazed that this stuff was just sitting around. i've heard of stupidity...

and then there's the UN.

19 realwest  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:58:45am

re: #11 Occasional Reader What is it, then?
And PLEASE don't tell me to look it up!

20 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:59:02am

re: #14 Iron Fist

Beatcha to it (but you gave links)...

21 chinesearithmetic  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:59:06am

That must be the sulfur Sanchez smelled.

22 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:59:16am

Did Hans Brix hide it there?

23 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:59:49am

re: #19 realwest

Blister agent, of the mustard gas family. It does not attack the nervous system.

24 pingjockey  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:00:02am

Isn't phosgene mustard gas, or in that family? Not a nerve agent.

25 mondoreb  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:00:04am
United Nations weapons inspectors discovered six to eight vials of a dangerous nerve gas, phosgene, as they were cleaning out offices at a U.N. building in New York this morning

Part of the new UN "Phosgene for Food" program.

26 storagemanager  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:00:11am
Stupidity? Maybe so, but it could also have been something much worse

My thinking also...I wonder if some of it...hit the street.

27 RTLM  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:00:19am

/Impossible - there were never WMD in Iraq!

28 pingjockey  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:01:02am

Bush still lied! /s

29 astronmr20  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:01:04am

Why the hell is this only on "the blotter?"

30 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:01:12am

But why should we expect the MSM to get anything right on weapons?

31 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:01:19am
32 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:02:06am

Bloody Nitwits!

-S-

33 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:02:08am

At least it wasn't a drawing of nerve gas.

That would be dangerous.

34 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:02:40am

re: #31 Iron Fist

I of course learned this during my Poison Gas course during first year of law school.

What?

35 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:02:44am

Maybe they were using it for roach poison.

36 NoSubmission  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:02:44am

Oh, that's just effin' great.

37 maddogg  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:03:33am

UN weapons inspectors, they never cease to impress with their thoroughness and competence.

38 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:03:43am
39 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:04:04am

I recently had some new carpet installed in my office. You'd be surprised at the stuff you find when you clean up the office and rearrange the furniture.

40 NoSubmission  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:04:09am

How often do they have weapons inspections at the UN?

41 pingjockey  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:04:43am

re: #38 Iron Fist But that would mean doing research. They might learn something that didn't fit the template.

42 xtraBilly  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:04:49am

And I thought the clutter in my desk draw was bad. U.N should declare a Worldwide Office Clean-up Day. UN Refuse Keepers will be sent to inspect.

43 realwest  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:05:12am

re: #14 Iron Fist Hey Fist - bro' I don't know if it's right to call it a "nerve gas" but from your link about Phosgene: "At room temperature (70°F), phosgene is a poisonous gas. " [empasis added, realwest]. And, "Phosgene was used extensively during World War I as a choking (pulmonary) agent. Among the chemicals used in the war, phosgene was responsible for the large majority of deaths. [emphasis realwest]Phosgene is not found naturally in the environment."

It may not be a "nerve gas" but it is sorta weird that someone would keep vials of that shit in their office or cubicle.

44 Charles  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:05:19am

Yes, it's not a nerve gas. It's technically a "nettle agent." Very toxic, if inhaled can cause pulmonary edema (your lungs liquify).

45 Speegon  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:05:30am

If it really turns out that somebody kept these as Souvenirs, then I'd say "immense stupidity" is a severe understatement.

But then, stupidity at the UN wouldn't be much of a surprise, would it?

46 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:05:33am

re: #33 Ben Hur

At least it wasn't a drawing of nerve gas.

That would be dangerous.


That's pronounced droawring, as Mike Myers does so well...

47 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:05:48am
48 storagemanager  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:05:50am
The material was taken from al-Muthanna chemical weapons plant north of Baghdad. The samples are sealed and have been there since 1996, U.N. spokeswoman Marie Okabe said.

Why?...Why?

49 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:06:05am

It's amazing what you can find in the closets at the UN.

50 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:06:07am

I thought phosgene was what they called a 'blister agent'.


OT

12Z GFS model takes Pacific Tropical Disturbance 95E as a hurricane weakening to a tropical storm towards Ensenada, BC del Norte, MX, with rain spreading into extreme SoCal this time next week...

51 jcm  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:06:32am

Tokens of appreciation from Saddam to his best Oil for Food customers.

52 bulwrk  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:06:35am

re: #35 Kreuzueber Halbmond


I don't think so,the cockroach is the unofficial mascot of the U.N.

53 JamesTKirk  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:06:39am
United Nations weapons inspectors discovered six to eight vials of a dangerous nerve gas, phosgene, as they were cleaning out offices at a U.N. building in New York this morning
Are they going to ever get around to telling us WHOSE office they were cleaning out?
54 ontheleftcoast  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:07:07am

Ah yes, phosgene... the faint smell as of fresh-cut hay wafting out of the fume hood, telling you that the ventilation isn't quite as good as it should be...

I'm REALLY glad I'm not doing organic synthesis anymore.

55 RobCon  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:07:09am

United Nations = Luxury Condos

56 firebreather  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:07:24am

Nitwits at the UN building. Is Kofi going to call a press conference & pop a blood vessel excoriating America?

57 Yishai  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:07:33am

I like this line from the CDC's site:

If the phosgene release was indoors, get out of the building.
58 realwest  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:07:48am

re: #23 Occasional Reader Whew, boy that sure makes me feel more secure. (Please see my #43.).
I still want to know WTF someone is doing with a few vials of this poisonous and deadly shit doing in their office or cubby.

59 storagemanager  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:07:51am
Scores of Pakistani soldiers have gone missing near the Afghanistan border, amid claims from pro-Taleban militants that they have kidnapped the troops.
More than 100 army personnel are unaccounted for, according to officials in the South Waziristan region.

A Muslim militant group said they had taken the troops because the government was not honouring a recent peace deal.

Pakistan is conducting operations in tribal areas, which US officials describe as an al-Qaeda safe haven

This is not good. [Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

60 NoSubmission  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:08:23am

re: #44 Charles

Yes, it's not a nerve gas. It's technically a "nettle agent." Very toxic, if inhaled can cause pulmonary edema (your lungs liquify).


Liquid lungs.. uch.
Just one more thing to worry about in Fun City. Great!

61 Yishai  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:08:26am

re: #49 lawhawk

Ha! LOL.

62 cosmo  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:08:35am

This is part of the UN's "oil-for-WMDs" program headed by Kofi Annan's step-cousin-or-something.

/move along nothing to see here

63 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:08:42am

Nothing to see here...move along...

64 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:08:44am

re: #43 realwest

Oh, it's definitely some very bad mierda. But it's kind of funny that ABC couldn't do a quick fact-check on their headline.

65 Blastforth  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:08:47am

Call Hans Blix!

66 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:09:03am
67 storagemanager  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:09:13am

re: #58 realwest

re: #23 Occasional Reader Whew, boy that sure makes me feel more secure. (Please see my #43.).
I still want to know WTF someone is doing with a few vials of this poisonous and deadly shit doing in their office or cubby.

I want to know if there is more somewhere.

68 beblebrox  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:09:16am

Souvenirs? That would be like some idiot keeping a hunk of Plutonium around as a souvenir of a nuclear test.

69 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:09:50am

re: #56 firebreather

Kofi's no longer in charge there. The SG is Ban Ki-Moon.

As for other stuff in closets, can you say oil for food - UNSCAM? I knew you could.

70 storagemanager  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:10:06am

re: #65 Blastforth

Call Hans Blix!


Tell him he was looking in the wrong country..lol

71 NoSubmission  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:10:24am

re: #59 storagemanager
Or maybe they just switched sides. I read a report where Pakistani soldiers wouldn't fight against al quaida.

72 RTLM  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:10:40am

Nerve gas smells fruity

73 squarepeg  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:10:44am

re: #44 Charles

It is rare that we see Charles misspell a word. Screen grab, everyone.

(To be followed by rotating title, "Do not ask about comment 44.)

74 republic  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:10:50am

How very sad.

You all can figure out what I really wanted to say.

75 firebreather  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:10:52am

The simpletons on the Berkeley faculty are probably already lecturing about another "Rovian diversion."

76 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:10:52am

OK, not a blister agent. Fiendishly simply COCl2. Reacts with water to form hydrochloric acid and carbon monoxide. The acid then breaks down lung tissue and causes pulmonary edema.

Of course, it was invented by the Germans.

77 GreenSoccer  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:10:54am

The incompetence of the UN has set a new record.

78 pat  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:10:57am

Phosgene is deadly and can cause permanent injury to any wet tissue, like blindness, lung damage and nerve damage, in extremely small dosages. It is a WMD and is a poisonous gas, such as were common prior to nerve gases. It can be made in a any factory equipped to deal with acids. This would be typical of an Iran/Syria/Irag type product.

79 tfc3rid  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:10:59am

I did not do it...

80 insanity police  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:11:02am

UNbelievable.

81 Yishai  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:11:07am

re: #72 RTLM

Nerve gas smells fruity

Like my farts.

82 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:11:25am

re: #53 JamesTKirk

Are they going to ever get around to telling us WHOSE office they were cleaning out?

No. Well... Right after they kick Libya off the Human Rights Commission.

83 republic  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:11:41am

re: #77 GreenSoccer

The incompetence of the UN has set a new record.

Yes, and that was decades ago.

84 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:11:54am
United Nations weapons inspectors discovered six to eight vials of a dangerous nerve gas, phosgene, as they were cleaning out offices at a U.N. building in New York this morning...

Do they usually have weapons inspectors clean out offices?

...Sounds fishy to me.

85 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:12:13am

re: #68 beblebrox

Souvenirs? That would be like some idiot keeping a hunk of Plutonium around as a souvenir of a nuclear test.

Cripes! You're right. I'd better call Housekeeping and get rid of that thing.

86 republic  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:12:18am

USA out of the U.N. NOW!

U.N. out of the USA NOW!

87 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:12:36am

re: #49 lawhawk

It's amazing what you can find in the closets at the UN.

The media are more concerned about Sen. Larry Craig's closet.

88 storagemanager  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:12:54am

re: #71 NoSubmission

re: #59 storagemanager
Or maybe they just switched sides. I read a report where Pakistani soldiers wouldn't fight against al quaida.


I don't think so...


Militants kidnap at least 25 Pakistani soldiers near Afghan border


Published: 08.30.07, 19:43 / Israel News

Islamic militants ambushed several vehicles carrying dozens of soldiers in troubled northwestern Pakistan on Thursday, kidnapping at least 25 of them after snatching their weapons, officials said.

The soldiers were traveling between Wana, the main town in South Waziristan and Ladha, another town in the region, two intelligence officials said on condition of anonymity because of agency policy. One of the officials said at least 25 soldiers were kidnapped, while the other said there were between 70 and 100 soldiers taken. An army officer based near the capital, Islamabad, confirmed the incident, but provided no further details

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

89 insanity police  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:13:05am

While the UN is cleaning up its offices, how about looking for all that money (mostly US money) that was stolen by UN employees.

90 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:13:06am

re: #72 RTLM

If you're smelling the nerve agents, that's probably the last thing you're going to smell unless you're able to get antidotes and/or immediate medical care.

Besides, each nerve agents has its own indicators.

91 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:13:07am
Very toxic, if inhaled can cause pulmonary edema (your lungs liquify).

When I first read that I thought you wrote "pulmonary enema".

Neither one sounds like much fun.

92 pingjockey  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:13:10am

re: #86 republic We aren't going to get that lucky.

93 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:13:15am

It was found under their collection of little boys' shoes.

94 firebreather  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:13:30am

re: #76 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

OK, not a blister agent. Fiendishly simply COCl2. Reacts with water to form hydrochloric acid and carbon monoxide. The acid then breaks down lung tissue and causes pulmonary edema.

Of course, it was invented by the Germans.


Invented by the Germans, perfected by the Muslims. Just like the Holocaust.

95 Hooray for Captain Spaulding  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:13:39am

re: #71 NoSubmission

re: #59 storagemanager
Or maybe they just switched sides. I read a report where Pakistani soldiers wouldn't fight against al quaida.

Some just had their heads chopped off, so I doubt they would just have been taken without a fight. Probably switched sides.

96 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:13:49am

re: #81 Yishai

re: #72 RTLM


Nerve gas smells fruity

Like my farts.

*giggle*

97 tfc3rid  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:14:17am

My God!

The UN is hiding WMD?!?! Again!

Let's get 'em!

98 realwest  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:14:30am

re: #44 Charles Just to clarify for folks: this shit will kill you. Period.

99 republic  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:14:34am

These vials were probably taken out of some of the various offices of Saddam Hussein, and the U.N. inspector probably then brought them to the USA, as to keep the "No WMD's" mantra of the left alive.

100 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:14:39am

Maybe while they're busy inspecting, they can turn up the $64 billion in missing oil-for-food money.

101 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:14:44am

re: #89 insanity police

While the UN is cleaning up its offices, how about looking for all that money (mostly US money) that was stolen by UN employees.

Uhhh... You forgot about the stolen flatware.

102 Corpsman Mom  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:14:59am

Stupidity - U.N. = Redundant

103 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:15:02am

Mustard gas?

104 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:15:13am
THE MOST SERIOUS EFFECT OF PHOSGENE IS LUNG IRRITATION. ONLY A RELATIVELY SMALL PORTION OF THE INHALED GAS HYDROLYZES IN THE RESPIRATORY PASSAGES, BUT IN THE MOIST ATMOSPHERE OF THE TERMINAL SPACES OF THE LUNGS COMPLETE HYDROLYSIS OCCURS WITH IRRITANT EFFECTS UPON THE ALVEOLAR WALLS AND BLOOD CAPILLARIES. THE RESULT OF THIS ACTION IS A GRADUALLY INCREASING EDEMA, UNTIL AS MUCH AS 30 TO 50% OF TOTAL BLOOD PLASMA HAS ACCUMULATED IN THE LUNG, CAUSING "DRY LAND DROWNING." THE AIR SPACES GROW LESS AND LESS; THE BLOOD IS THICKENED BY LOSS OF PLASMA, WHICH RESULTS IN SLOWED CIRCULATION; OXYGEN EXCHANGE IS SLOWED; AND THE OVERWORKED HEART, WITH INSUFFICIENT OXYGEN, WEAKENS. THE END RESULT MAY BE EITHER ASPHYXIATION OR HEART FAILURE AND THIS MAY BE DELAYED. HIGH CONCENTRATIONS OF PHOSGENE ARE IMMEDIATELY CORROSIVE TO LUNG TISSUE AND RESULT IN SUDDEN DEATH BY SUFFOCATION.


[Clayton, G. D. and F. E. Clayton (eds.). Patty's Industrial Hygiene and Toxicology: Volume 2A, 2B, 2C: Toxicology. 3rd ed. New York: John Wiley Sons, 1981-1982. 4127] **PEER REVIEWED**

105 Dustoff-507  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:15:23am

Gee I wondered what I did with them VIALS. LOL

106 Corpsman Mom  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:16:28am

I was cleaning out my couch and found a fork...and I thought THAT was bad! Naturally, the U.N. just does EVERYTHING bigger and better.

107 insanity police  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:16:59am

re: #101 Cap'n DOC

re: #89 insanity police


While the UN is cleaning up its offices, how about looking for all that money (mostly US money) that was stolen by UN employees.

Uhhh... You forgot about the stolen flatware.

Better watch out or the UN will steal the land of Israel and give it to the fakestinians.

108 xtraBilly  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:17:11am
phosgene is a colorless, nonflammable gas with a suffocating odor like new mown hay.

Must be left overs from Sadam's last election . "It's morning in Iraq, smell the new mown hay over Kirkuk."

109 RTLM  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:17:18am

re: #90 lawhawk

Very interesting table - thanks

110 republic  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:17:59am

re: #100 JammieWearingFool

Maybe while they're busy inspecting, they can turn up the $64 billion in missing oil-for-food money.


Everybody already knows that Cofee Annan has that money in foriegn bank accounts.

He just purchased his second multi million $$$ residence, somewhere.

111 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:18:30am
United Nations weapons inspectors discovered six to eight vials of a dangerous nerve gas, phosgene, as they were cleaning out offices at a U.N. building in New York this morning...

Were the weapons inspectors called in after the vials were doscovered or does the UN normally have weapons inspectors help clean out old offices?...And BTW, who's old offices were they?

112 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:18:31am

Charles didn't spell liquefy correctly so obviously every single comment he makes is meaningless.

/Channeling lgfwatch freak-a-zoids

113 storagemanager  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:19:34am
On Friday 24th August 2007 in archiving UNSCOM files, UNMOVI staff discovered two small plastic packages with metal and glass containers (ranging in size from small vials to tubes the length of a pen) with unknown liquid substances. The archives are located at the UNMOVIC headquarters.

Today is the 8-30-07 what the hell? [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

114 republic  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:19:40am

Ron Paul

115 insanity police  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:19:47am

O/T

DEBKAfile [ed- grain of salt warning]: Sarkozy is first Western leader to speak out loud about US plan to bomb Iran

August 28, 2007, 8:59 AM (GMT+02:00)

Bombing Iran: Catastrophic but real

Addressing 180 French diplomats Monday, Aug. 27, French president Nicolas Sarkozy said a nuclear-armed Iran would be unacceptable and the world must tighten sanctions while offering Tehran incentives to halt weapons development. “This initiative is the only one that can enable us to escape an alternative that I say is catastrophic: the Iranian bomb or the bombing of Iran,” he said.

Sarkozy thus became the first important Western leader to declare with brutal frankness that Iran stands in peril of an attack on its nuclear installations.

DEBKAfile notes that he spoke out shortly after a long holiday in the United States and a day-long visit to the Bush family estate in Maine. His frank language – he called Iran’s nuclear ambition the world’s most dangerous problem – caused astonishment in diplomatic circles much like the jeans he wore on his visit to the US president.

Sarkozy did not indicate whether France would take part in an American or Israeli attack on Iran, but he did stress French backing for Security Council sanctions over Iran’s refusal to back away from uranium enrichment.

DEBKAfile’s diplomatic sources disclose that Sarkozy’s warning to Tehran was the bluntest but not the only one Tehran received of the Bush administration plans to bomb its nuclear facilities. Iran was discreetly warned by the Kremlin in early spring that an American attack was impending and would be coordinated with an Israeli strike against Syria. All three armies, the Iranian (plus Hizballah), Syrian and Israeli, have been deep in hectic war preparations ever since.

This war fever will be further heated by Sarkozy’s words. They certainly contradict Israeli defense minister Ehud Barak’s smooth assurance to the Knesset foreign affairs and defense committee, also on Monday, that he sees first signs of Syrian military suspense ebbing.

The French president’s reading of the situation was closer to that of the former US ambassador Edward P. Djerejian, whose impressions from talks with Syrian leaders last week were disclosed by DEBKAfile. Djerejian underscored the Syrian president Bashar Assad’s unshakeable commitment to Tehran’s foreign and military policies, even if his relations with Washington do improve.

Like Barak, Mohammed ElBaradei, director of the International Atomic Energy Agency, is trying to pour oil on troubled waters. He sent inspectors to Tehran to collect understandings and so fend off the third round of sanctions promised at the UN Security Council next month.

The IAEA and Iran jointly announced Monday they had “agreed a timeline for implementing a plan to clarify Tehran’s nuclear program.”

Iran took this some steps further, claiming “the IAEA accepted that earlier statements made by Iran (on the issue of plutonium) are consistent with the agency’s findings and thus this matter is resolved.” Tehran also announced cooperation with a nuclear watchdog probe of an “alleged secret uranium processing project linked by U.S. intelligence to a nuclear arms program.”

Washington is not buying this show of Iranian compliance and zeal for cooperation with the world community. The US ambassador to the IAEA in Vienna pointed to “real limitations” in the timeline understanding and accused Tehran of “manipulating the IAEA as a way to avoid harsher sanctions.”

ElBaradei had previously called a military attack on Iran “madness.”

The assessments of Sarkozy and ElBaradei therefore veer dangerously between “catastrophe” and “madness.”

116 realwest  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:19:50am

re: #64 Occasional Readerand
re: #66 Iron Fist Yeah, I know you guys were just making the technical distinction that the fuckin' media can't seem to even bother to look up.
I just wanted folks not to misconstrue either of your posts (or of Charles' post at #44) and not take this as serious as it should be.
I'd sure like to know exactly where it was found and who had access and was responsible for custody (security) of that part of the building.
Sorry to be pedantic about this, but my Grandfather was gassed during WW I - survived but barely and was never ever really the same again.

117 maddogg  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:19:51am

Boy, I must be stupid. I can't seem to remember why the UN is better than the League of Nitwits.

BTW, these are the same people who think they should decide if you can own firearms, or not.

(is that a black helicopter I hear)

118 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:20:14am

doscovered = discovered

oy

119 stvip  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:20:29am

Phosgene is definitely not a nerve gas. Very nasty chemical, though. There are stories about WWI soldiers fleeing in terror upon encountering the (normally) innocuous smell of hay.
IIRC, it was often mixed with chloropicrin - the latter would penetrate gas masks, and would serve as a strong emetic, forcing soldiers to remove their masks for vomiting, which would then expose them to the phosgene. It was not a good time for male adults.

120 firebreather  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:20:59am

Somebody is trying to destroy the UN, which is the best friend of Islamic terrorists worldwide... obviously, this is another Zionist conspiracy against Islam.

The "Truthers" won't miss this one!

121 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:21:02am

Drive-by

Authorities said the phosgene was believed to have been discovered in Iraq and manufactured prior to 1991.

What brings them to this conclusion?

122 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:21:26am
123 jcm  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:21:29am

re: #78 pat

Phosgene is deadly and can cause permanent injury to any wet tissue, like blindness, lung damage and nerve damage, in extremely small dosages. It is a WMD and is a poisonous gas, such as were common prior to nerve gases. It can be made in a any factory equipped to deal with acids. This would be typical of an Iran/Syria/Irag type product.

Just degrade carbon tetrachloride at high temperature. Carbon tet is a readily available solvent.

124 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:21:41am

re: #109 RTLM

No problem. FAS.org has a bunch of fact sheets and details on chemical and biological weapons. Useful resource.

One thing that may be confusing some people is that, according to FAS, that there are two different varieties of phosgene - CX and CG. Not sure which one it is - one is a blister agent (CX - phosgene oxime) and the other is a choking agent (CG).

125 republic  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:21:53am

re: #115 insanity police

O/T

DEBKAfile [ed- grain of salt warning]: Sarkozy is first Western leader to speak out loud about US plan to bomb Iran

August 28, 2007, 8:59 AM (GMT+02:00)

Bombing Iran: Catastrophic but real

Addressing 180 French diplomats Monday, Aug. 27, French president Nicolas Sarkozy said a nuclear-armed Iran would be unacceptable and the world must tighten sanctions while offering Tehran incentives to halt weapons development. “This initiative is the only one that can enable us to escape an alternative that I say is catastrophic: the Iranian bomb or the bombing of Iran,” he said.

Sarkozy thus became the first important Western leader to declare with brutal frankness that Iran stands in peril of an attack on its nuclear installations.

DEBKAfile notes that he spoke out shortly after a long holiday in the United States and a day-long visit to the Bush family estate in Maine. His frank language – he called Iran’s nuclear ambition the world’s most dangerous problem – caused astonishment in diplomatic circles much like the jeans he wore on his visit to the US president.

Sarkozy did not indicate whether France would take part in an American or Israeli attack on Iran, but he did stress French backing for Security Council sanctions over Iran’s refusal to back away from uranium enrichment.

DEBKAfile’s diplomatic sources disclose that Sarkozy’s warning to Tehran was the bluntest but not the only one Tehran received of the Bush administration plans to bomb its nuclear facilities. Iran was discreetly warned by the Kremlin in early spring that an American attack was impending and would be coordinated with an Israeli strike against Syria. All three armies, the Iranian (plus Hizballah), Syrian and Israeli, have been deep in hectic war preparations ever since.

This war fever will be further heated by Sarkozy’s words. They certainly contradict Israeli defense minister Ehud Barak’s smooth assurance to the Knesset foreign affairs and defense committee, also on Monday, that he sees first signs of Syrian military suspense ebbing.

The French president’s reading of the situation was closer to that of the former US ambassador Edward P. Djerejian, whose impressions from talks with Syrian leaders last week were disclosed by DEBKAfile. Djerejian underscored the Syrian president Bashar Assad’s unshakeable commitment to Tehran’s foreign and military policies, even if his relations with Washington do improve.

Like Barak, Mohammed ElBaradei, director of the International Atomic Energy Agency, is trying to pour oil on troubled waters. He sent inspectors to Tehran to collect understandings and so fend off the third round of sanctions promised at the UN Security Council next month.

The IAEA and Iran jointly announced Monday they had “agreed a timeline for implementing a plan to clarify Tehran’s nuclear program.”

Iran took this some steps further, claiming “the IAEA accepted that earlier statements made by Iran (on the issue of plutonium) are consistent with the agency’s findings and thus this matter is resolved.” Tehran also announced cooperation with a nuclear watchdog probe of an “alleged secret uranium processing project linked by U.S. intelligence to a nuclear arms program.”

Washington is not buying this show of Iranian compliance and zeal for cooperation with the world community. The US ambassador to the IAEA in Vienna pointed to “real limitations” in the timeline understanding and accused Tehran of “manipulating the IAEA as a way to avoid harsher sanctions.”

ElBaradei had previously called a military attack on Iran “madness.”

The assessments of Sarkozy and ElBaradei therefore veer dangerously between “catastrophe” and “madness.”


ElBaradei can go straight to Hell!

126 tfc3rid  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:21:56am

re: #113 storagemanager

huh? Same story?

127 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:22:09am

Hot Air updated with this report.

They've been there since 1996.

The material was taken from al-Muthanna chemical weapons plant north of Baghdad. The samples are sealed and have been there since 1996, U.N. spokeswoman Marie Okabe said
128 bulwrk  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:22:19am

United Nations weapons inspectors discovered six to eight vials of a dangerous nerve gas, phosgene, as they were cleaning out offices at a U.N. building in New York this morning, federal authorities tell the Blotter on ABCNews.com.


I find this story not to be credible U.N.weapons inspectors couldn't find their ass with both hands and a flashlight, a more likely scenario would be an illegal immigrant hired under the table to clean the office out found it.

129 insanity police  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:23:06am

re: #122 buzzsawmonkey

re: #115 insanity police

I am tired of hearing all these do-nothings phoomphet about how "unacceptable" a nuclear Iran is, even as they ensure that they will have to accept it by failing to take action.

I completely agree.

/Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran.

130 southernborn  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:23:11am

we will probadly never know the truth. Considering that the u.n. is anti american and have been criminals, I will go with whatever the worse scenerio is...

131 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:23:23am

Questions: Who had this phosgene squirreled away? Was he Muslim? Could he have been saving it for a future jihadic scenario?

132 realwest  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:23:31am

re: #115 insanity policeAside from the fact that LGF (Charles and commentators) was all over this earlier this week, Debka or whomever was wrong when they said "Sarkozy thus became the first important Western leader to declare with brutal frankness that Iran stands in peril of an attack on its nuclear installations."
President Bush has said, on at least two occassions (I don't have links but I was watching Fox and heard him say it live) said
"Iran will not be permitted to obtain Nuclear Weapons." No equivocation either time, either.

133 storagemanager  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:23:54am

They found it friday the 24th...it just sat around until today!...

On Friday 24th August 2007 in archiving UNSCOM files, UNMOVI staff discovered two small plastic packages with metal and glass containers (ranging in size from small vials to tubes the length of a pen) with unknown liquid substances.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

134 pat  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:24:07am

re: #123 jcm

Used to have bottles around the house when I was a stamp collector. Then the cancer thingie was discovered.

135 insanity police  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:24:12am

re: #125 republic

ElBaradei can go straight to Hell!

You know he wants those 72 virgins.

His allegiance lies not with U.S. interests.

136 mondoreb  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:24:16am

re: #127 JammieWearingFool

They've been there since 1996.

Probably part of another bribe.

137 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:24:26am

re: #113 storagemanager

On Friday 24th August 2007 in archiving UNSCOM files, UNMOVI staff discovered two small plastic packages with metal and glass containers (ranging in size from small vials to tubes the length of a pen) with unknown liquid substances. The archives are located at the UNMOVIC headquarters.

Today is the 8-30-07 what the hell? [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

?

138 tfc3rid  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:24:34am

According to this link (from NYC breaking news outfits), there was a 'Suspicious Package' at Broadway and 40th street (nowhere near the UN). I was just over there but there was nothing going on...

http://www.gothamist.com/labs/map

139 The_Vig  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:24:36am

This might be a good excuse for the EPA to clean out the whole building. I can just imagine what you would find in the offices there.

140 storagemanager  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:24:43am

re: #126 tfc3rid

re: #113 storagemanager

huh? Same story?

From Fox online.

141 realwest  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:24:45am

re: #128 bulwrk ROTFLMAO! Too true (unfortunately).

142 republic  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:24:49am

re: #127 JammieWearingFool

Hot Air updated with this report.

They've been there since 1996.

The material was taken from al-Muthanna chemical weapons plant north of Baghdad. The samples are sealed and have been there since 1996, U.N. spokeswoman Marie Okabe said

Huh?

Everyone knows that Saddam didn't have any WMD's!

/insane leftist kook off

143 pat  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:25:19am

Hillary and more questionable money. This from her 'go to' Pakistan expert.
[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

144 firebreather  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:25:45am

The untold billions of US taxpayer dollars that went missing during Kofi "Coughing Anus" Annan's reign of terror at the UN is disbursed worldwide; billions are layered away for hundreds of UN diplomats in foreign bank accounts; billions more ended up in the hands of terrorists or terror-sponsoring states.

Our tax dollars, hard at work.

145 insanity police  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:25:57am

re: #132 realwest

I hope Bush means it. I'll hold him to his word.

146 republic  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:26:42am

re: #135 insanity police

re: #125 republic


ElBaradei can go straight to Hell!

You know he wants those 72 virgins.

His allegiance lies not with U.S. interests.

He's going to find out one day, that the "72 virgins", all look like either Ted Kennedy or Helen Thomas, in Hell.

147 realwest  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:27:11am

re: #112 experiencedtraveller NO! I think the real spelling should be changed to Charles' version!
(Friggin idjits - not you - never misspelled or made a typo in their own lives)

148 realwest  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:28:04am

re: #145 insanity police Both of us will. To not stop or prevent Iran's aspirations in this area would indeed be criminal.

149 insanity police  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:28:33am

re: #146 republic

re: #135 insanity police


re: #125 republic

ElBaradei can go straight to Hell!

You know he wants those 72 virgins.
His allegiance lies not with U.S. interests.

He's going to find out one day, that the "72 virgins", all look like either Ted Kennedy or Helen Thomas, in Hell.

Ha Ha! Probably true. That's why they force them to wear burkas.

/Helen Thomas looks like Ted Kennedy.

150 tfc3rid  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:28:47am

Apparently they found out last Friday but did not alert the NYPD until today...

Nice, nice...

151 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:28:49am

Carbonyl dichloride? Yuck Yuck...

Looks like somebody had the idea that it was time to adequately clear the roaches. Appears it worked.

152 firebreather  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:29:11am

"Bush KNEW"

--Tomorrow's NY Times headline

153 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:29:12am
154 Endangered in MASS  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:29:33am

JWF, Loppy, 3 Wood ..et al

Sorry I missed you earlier. I did catch your posts. Meeting then lunch.

I will be here until 3:00 PM EST monitoring the game via internet. I made be told to go home if I have "outburts". Given the circumstances, if GD Drew stands a bevy of runners it's looking about 99% probabilty that I'll be leaving early.

155 insanity police  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:29:47am

re: #148 realwest

re: #145 insanity police Both of us will. To not stop or prevent Iran's aspirations in this area would indeed be criminal.

I guess only time will tell.

However, if Bush doesn't do it, Rudy will (God willing if he is elected).

156 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:31:12am

When I worked in the shipyard, they always taught us not to cut or weld in a freon-containing environment. The heat of an arc can cause freon to break down into phosgene. Probably not as much a concern these days, as freon is less and less common. Back then, it went on the list with all the other things that could kill us.

157 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:31:12am

re: #150 tfc3rid

Apparently they found out last Friday but did not alert the NYPD until today...

Nice, nice...


Had to have time to get their stories straight.

158 cosmo  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:31:12am

The vials were found in the offices of the French mission to the UN. Upon further examination, they were discovered to be the "B" samples of Floyd Landis, Alexandre Vinokourov and Andrey Kashechkin.

Inhalation of the samples causes a sharp increase in the blood-to-urine ratio in the human body.

159 republic  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:31:16am

re: #149 insanity police

re: #146 republic


re: #135 insanity police

re: #125 republic

ElBaradei can go straight to Hell!

You know he wants those 72 virgins.
His allegiance lies not with U.S. interests.

He's going to find out one day, that the "72 virgins", all look like either Ted Kennedy or Helen Thomas, in Hell.

Ha Ha! Probably true. That's why they force them to wear burkas.

/Helen Thomas looks like Ted Kennedy.

I'm maybe being a bit harsh on Helen Thomas, as she probably never murdered someone, and walked away without a shred of consequence.

Kennedy will have to answer to that one day, and he won't have the left or the msm to cover for him.

Heh.

160 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:31:58am

and Just What is the UN doing with Weaponized Blister Agents? In New York?

161 firebreather  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:32:11am

I can't wait for Christianne Amanpour's postmodern, August Strindberg-like take on this. Was that woman the founder of the National Enquirer?

162 cosmo  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:32:26am

re: #139 The_Vig

Multiple blue dresses? (or blue burqas as the case/culture may be...)

163 realwest  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:32:43am

re: #119 stvip See my #116 - last sentence.

I'm outta here y'all - hope you have a GREAT DAY and that I get to see you later on.

164 republic  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:32:56am

re: #152 firebreather

"Bush KNEW"

--Tomorrow's NY Times headline


Oh yea, George Soros and various leftist fishwraps have already been trying to convince any idiots who will listen, that any and all future attacks on America will be orchestrated by Pres. Bush.

I'll just say,

How very sad, and leave it at that.

165 insanity police  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:34:10am

re: #159 republic



I'm maybe being a bit harsh on Helen Thomas, as she probably never murdered someone, and walked away without a shred of consequence.

Kennedy will have to answer to that one day, and he won't have the left or the msm to cover for him.

Heh.

I feel like killing myself whenever I am forced to hear her speak at a press conference. It's like looking at Yoda, but not getting any wise advice.

166 Endangered in MASS  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:34:17am

re: #159 republic

"I'm maybe being a bit harsh on Helen Thomas, as she probably never murdered someone, and walked away without a shred of consequence."

Her nose is not a hummocky depository of gin starches and broken capillaries either.

167 wanumba  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:34:22am

Well, what was the transport "system" that moved said vials from Iraq ALL the way TO New York without being detected/noted/impounded/seized, etc. etc.?
Mailed in? Carried in? Part of another shipment in of ... don't know what else that had business being shipped from Iraq at that time - used carpets and regime files? Diplomatic pouch? Drug dogs would have had a fit at the airport wouldn't they have if it came in regular?

But, bureaucracies love to box up files to keep, so it could have been simple packing out or deliberate transport. Total, ridiculous SNAFU or deliberate malice - tough call. Not much in between.

168 republic  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:34:23am

re: #160 Jewels (AKA Julian)

and Just What is the UN doing with Weaponized Blister Agents? In New York?

Like I said earlier, these came from Saddam, and were probably put there to keep the "No WMD's" mantra live.

169 republic  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:36:28am

re: #166 Endangered in MASS

re: #159 republic

"I'm maybe being a bit harsh on Helen Thomas, as she probably never murdered someone, and walked away without a shred of consequence."

Her nose is not a hummocky depository of gin starches and broken capillaries either.


He and W.C. Fields look near identical.

At least W.C. Fields was funny.

170 hayseed  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:38:25am

sorry if it's been played chemical warfare by the DK's

171 hbudd  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:39:04am

Who were the people having access to the space in which the phosgene was stored?

172 firebreather  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:39:15am

The cockroaches at the UN could withstand any poison. No, not the actual creepy-crawly roaches, but the pampered diplomats & terror financiers/cheerleaders/apologists that conduct their business with full diplomatic immunity on US soil.

173 Endangered in MASS  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:39:46am

re: #169 republic

All things considered, I'ld rather be anywhere but Mass.

174 Logic Probe  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:40:22am

If they were just the little glass calibration sample vials, this seems like over-reaction, to me. Yeah, I know, it's the UN, and they suck. But phosgene isn't like nerve agent, where a half-ounce kills 10,000 sheep, accidentally! Unless phosgene gets to more than just a few parts per million, it's just an irritant. Keeping small samples is no more stupid than an element collector having a vial of chlorine gas or a bit of radium. On the other hand, if there was more than just a few milliliters, yeah, I'd really want to know who had it and why. I guess having worked at Dow Chemical's Chlorine plant many years ago has jaded me.

175 republic  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:40:42am

re: #173 Endangered in MASS

re: #169 republic

All things considered, I'ld rather be anywhere but Mass.

I don't blame you one bit.

I couldn't stomach it.

176 Perplexed  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:43:13am

re: #172 firebreather

The cockroaches at the UN could withstand any poison. No, not the actual creepy-crawly roaches, but the pampered diplomats & terror financiers/cheerleaders/apologists that conduct their business with full diplomatic immunity on US soil.

Just remember how those cockroaches behaved when the food service employees went on strike. The place was looted. Wouldn't doubt for a second that some of the looters still work as foreign (not so)dignitaries.

177 firebreather  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:43:32am

re: #164 republic


Many of the "truthers" in the academic community insist that Bush will stage a major terror attack just before he leaves office, then declare martial law & declare himself President for Life.

Sadly, this is unquestioned, received wisdom in faculty staff rooms on both coasts.

178 Geepers  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:44:13am

Logic Probe (#174),

I guess having worked at Dow Chemical's Chlorine plant many years ago has jaded me.

Not at all.

Just makes you aware of the actual danger present.

179 baier  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:45:04am

This is too rich! They don't even know WMDs are in their own building.

180 Eowyn2  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:46:10am

Its leftovers from the phosgene for food program.

181 LEGION  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:48:12am

re: #8 me

get the UN out of the US - now ! And get the US out of the UN - now !

DITTO! Repeat often! An evil cesspool that needs to be drained.

182 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:48:42am

re: #177 firebreather

re: #164 republic


Many of the "truthers" in the academic community insist that Bush will stage a major terror attack just before he leaves office, then declare martial law & declare himself President for Life.

Sadly, this is unquestioned, received wisdom in faculty staff rooms on both coasts.


I have a friend that believes just that and states it as often as he can slip it into a conversation.

183 mondoreb  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:51:16am

re: #180 Eowyn2

Its leftovers from the phosgene for food program.

GMTA.
re: #25 mondoreb

184 republic  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:52:44am

re: #177 firebreather

re: #164 republic


Many of the "truthers" in the academic community insist that Bush will stage a major terror attack just before he leaves office, then declare martial law & declare himself President for Life.

Sadly, this is unquestioned, received wisdom in faculty staff rooms on both coasts.

But Hugo Chavez is going one step further in Venizuala, and the leftist kooks absolutely love him.

If they were true to their kook ideology, they should then applaud Pres. Bush for his "plan"

185 LEGION  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:52:54am

re: #174 Logic Probe

Dow Chemical ehh? Youse guys bought up my old company- Union Carbide- of the Bhopal gas leak in India fame. A disgruntled guard who didn't like the move made from the day to the night shift spiked the bug spray batch with water to dilute it. But it caused an explosion instead! He also stupidly blocked the release valves. People are dumb and evil- what a scary world.

186 Endangered in MASS  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:54:24am

re: #175 republic

If my wife and daughter weren't so settled, We'ld be outta here so fast!

These idiots are seriously considering increasing the gas tax and adding tolls and increasing current tolls even higher tolls during rush hour for for " peak travel surcharge" As if anyone has a freaking choice.

Typical trustafarian. Could they make it any more difficult to work here?

187 firebreather  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:54:29am

re: #182 newsjunkie_ky

We can thank academics for "mainstreaming" this sort of paranoid thinking.

It's perfectly respectable-- even reasonable-- to blather such paranoid nonsense openly; to lecture about it from a university lectern; to pen a schizophrenic op-ed for the NY Times or LA Times.

188 firebreather  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 10:58:08am

re: #184 republic


The kooky behavior of the Left is exactly analogous to Muslims who deny the Holocaust ever happened, or that 9/11 was engineered by Muslims... but wildly celebrate both events.

To be a Leftist-- or a Muslim-- means to have no cognitive dissonance whatsoever.

189 trailortrash  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 11:01:10am

UN = utter nitwits

190 WalterMitty  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 11:04:08am

Phosgene is a gas, Diphosgene is a liquid. Both are choking weapons and phosgene can be made by heating Diphosgene.

"Vials" of gas still doesn't sound right.

But I'm with Logic Probe, calibration samples for all manner of NBC measurement equipment isn't something you'd want to grind up and sprinkle on your Corn Flakes(R), but it certainly wouldn't call for building evacuation either.

/Old Army NBC instructor

191 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 11:04:45am

To say Helen Thomas looks similar to Yoda is an insult (to Yoda). Yoda was wise, kind and green.

When I look at Helen Thomas, all I can think of is the movie Gargoyles.

192 Logic Probe  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 11:06:20am

re: #185 LEGION
Oh no, not US guys! I quit Dow in '75 and never looked back!
And yep, most people are dumb, and a lot are evil. If you're neither, you can either do what you can to offset that, or, as Jimmie Pop says "the world is a diaper, let someone else change it".

193 The_Vig  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 11:07:08am

Come on guys, don't make fun of Helen Thomas's looks...thats what liberals do. However, her horrible Ideas, that is fair game.

194 WalterMitty  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 11:07:49am

re: #191 goodbye_natalie

To say Helen Thomas looks similar to Yoda is an insult (to Yoda). Yoda was wise, kind and green.

When I look at Helen Thomas, all I can think of is the movie Gargoyles.

I was thinking more like Jabba the Hutt from that series...

195 realwest  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 11:08:15am

Hey Y'all - hadda come back to tell you how the media is covering this as of 5 minutes ago:
a) FoxNews gave it 30 seconds, saying "NYPD were investigating the possibility of Nerve Gas at the UN; now back to our lead story on the Memorial to Princess Diana..."

b)UN Inspectors Find Chemical in UN Office[from the AP]
UNITED NATIONS - U.N. weapons inspectors who had been in Iraq discovered [emphasis added, realwest] potentially hazardous chemical agents in their office near U.N. headquarters as they were wrapping up their operation, a U.N. spokesman said Thursday.

"There is no immediate risk or danger," U.N. deputy spokeswoman Marie Okabe said.

She said one of the substances identified on Wednesday was phosgene suspended in oil, "whose present state is unknown but which could be potentially hazardous."

Phosgene can be used as a chemical warfare agent.

The material was immediately secured by experts at the U.N. Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission known as UNMOVIC and the U.N. sought assistance from U.S. authorities in having the material safely removed, she said.

UNMOVIC staff are still working on the premises.

"The office area was screened using UNOMVIC's chemical weapons detection equipment. No toxic vapors were found. There is no immediate risk or danger. UNMOVIC staff are still working on the premises," Okabe said.

The material in a sealed plastic bag includes "unknown liquid substances contained in metal and glass containers ranging in size from small vials to tubes the length of a pen in one of the sealed plastic bags," she said. "The only information we have of the contents of that bag is from an inventory of a 1996 inspection which indicates that one of the items may contain phosgene, an old generation chemical warfare agent."

This is one of the reasons I LOVE LGF! WE
have covered this more thoroughly and with more research by the LGFer's and by Charles, than by the MSM.
I wonder how the "Weapons Inspectors" [emphasis added realwest] managed to "bring this back from Iraq" but either not know it was a WMD or didn't give a shit.
And if NYC had a Mayor with any balls at all, he'd ask the UN - why wasn't the NYPD or my office notified IMMEDIATELY upon your, obviously accidental, discovery of this material?"
But they weren't smoking cigarettes so I'm sure everything's "cool" between the Mayor and the UN.

LGF ROCKS!

196 schwaje  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 11:10:30am

Of course this is all a conspiracy since Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction.

197 wanumba  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 11:15:35am

re: #174 Logic Probe

If they were just the little glass calibration sample vials, this seems like over-reaction, to me. Yeah, I know, it's the UN, and they suck. But phosgene isn't like nerve agent, where a half-ounce kills 10,000 sheep, accidentally! Unless phosgene gets to more than just a few parts per million, it's just an irritant. Keeping small samples is no more stupid than an element collector having a vial of chlorine gas or a bit of radium. On the other hand, if there was more than just a few milliliters, yeah, I'd really want to know who had it and why. I guess having worked at Dow Chemical's Chlorine plant many years ago has jaded me.


Me having no more info than anyone else - but this sounds like a very sensible observation. If the media wasn't so worthlessly hysterical about nothing and blah about huge things, I'd trust their reporting more. I KNOW they've jumped and bungled the reporting and did a crap job summarizing the situation. That's a fact. But which way did they go? Overplayed some nothing or underplayed danger?
Wonder what Edmund's Scientific sends out routinely via mail of just such sample sizes and no one cares or is in danger.

198 SnakeSpit  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 11:19:39am

In 1965 during my basic training we were trained about chemical and biological warfare. I recall watching a training film about the most common nerve agent in use at that time. A goat was tied with a rope around it's neck. An explosion occured several yards upwind of the goat. The smoke and dust from this small explosion blew past the goat. Within less than ten seconds, the goat began to stagger. After a short struggle to remain standing, the goat fell to the ground and began to convulse. Within less than two minutes, the goat was dead. It was a quick but very unpleasant death.

In our gas mask bag we all had the antidote. It was called atropine. It came in a small surette. If you suspected that there was nerve gas in your area, you had a maximum of 45 seconds to put on your gas mask and inject yourself with the atropine, in that order. The atropine was injected by grabbing the small surette, pulling off the protective cap, tightening your fatigue pants around your thigh, and popping yourself with it. You then squeezed the surette tube like a toothpaste tube to inject the atropine. Latere they came out with automatic, spring loaded injectors.

The first symptom in humans was a sudden voluminous running of the nose. Then came the twitching and jerks. This usually came within 45 seconds. If you didn't have the gas mask on and the injection of atropine by that time, you were doomed, unless a fellow soldier saw that you were in trouble and masked you and injected you. The reason for this is, that by that time you had lost motor control and could no longer help yourself. Even under the best circumstances, if you had inhaled the nerve agent, you were in for a mean trip. There was possibility of survival if you had acted quickly enough.

Phosgene is very deadly and dangerous, but it is lightweight compared to sarin and other nerve agents.

199 WalterMitty  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 11:28:01am

I say we dump about a pint of mercaptan into the AC ducts some evening and when the place was empty call in a smart bomb strike about midnight from 30k feet.

Now *there's* you a conspiracy that could work. ;)

/black helicopter sound track

200 Snowcamo  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 11:30:47am

As already mentioned several times, phosgene is a pulmonary agent, not a nerve agent, not a mustard agent, and definitely NOT a nettle agent (not to be mistaken for phosgene oxime, which is a nettle agent and to which phosgene is a precursor). Like every other substance in existence, phosgene is lethal in high enough doses, but it is not THAT dangerous. After all, phosgene is a rather common industrial chemical (one use is in the manufacture of polycarbonate used to prevent other poisoning - namely lead - in our troops). Phosgene is also very trivial to manufacture by any nation in any quantity from chlorine (eeek, poison!) and carbon monoxide (yikes, poison again!).
The lesson learned from World War I was that chemical warfare is inefficient beyond belief.

201 AirForceWife  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 11:33:02am

#155 insanity police 8/30/2007 10:29:47 am

re: #148 realwest

re: #145 insanity police Both of us will. To not stop or prevent Iran's aspirations in this area would indeed be criminal.

I guess only time will tell.

However, if Bush doesn't do it, Rudy will (God willing if he is elected).

No doubt, Rudy as well as all of the other Presidential candidates will be asked directly what they intend to do to stop Iran if elected, and each one will give a clear, unequivocal answer about exactly how they will.

ooops, rose-colored glasses just fell off. Back to the real world.

202 OLDPUPPYMAX  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 11:37:27am

Phosgene is what freon turns into if ignited. I wonder how many arab countries were represented at the U.N. today? Think there might have been a bunch of prayer rug carriers on the golf course this morning?

203 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 11:38:26am

Thats the only thing at the UN that is associated with "nerves"...

204 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 12:07:10pm

re: #192 Logic Probe
Logic,
I was cleaning out a dump of a house in Cal.
Mixed some generic dish soap and Comet !
I almost didn't make it to the door,on my
hands and knees!
What the hell was it that I made?
Chlorine gas?

205 astronmr20  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 12:07:35pm

re: #186 Endangered in MASS

re: #175 republic

If my wife and daughter weren't so settled, We'ld be outta here so fast!

These idiots are seriously considering increasing the gas tax and adding tolls and increasing current tolls even higher tolls during rush hour for for " peak travel surcharge" As if anyone has a freaking choice.

Typical trustafarian. Could they make it any more difficult to work here?

Jeez.. I just spent a week in taxachussets.. it's amazing that the people there would even allow such a thing - INCREASING tolls on the Mass pike during "peak" times? WTF?

I like the south. Less tax. Higher standard of living.

206 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 12:09:28pm
UPDATE at 8/30/07 10:02:35 am:

Phosgene is not a “nerve gas,”

What? No hat tip? AIEEE!

207 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 12:09:29pm

re: #199 WalterMitty

You are talking about the UN...Right!

208 GreenSoccer  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 12:18:41pm

I believe Einstein set something to the effect of:
I don't know if the universe is infinite, but human stupidity is.

209 RobCon  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 12:24:00pm

Perhaps the nerve gas was the sulphur that fat ass
Hugo "Mini Me" Chavez smelled recently at the UN
(barring his own BO of course).

210 WalterMitty  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 12:52:20pm

re: #207 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY

re: #199 WalterMitty

You are talking about the UN...Right!

But of course!

211 realwest  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 1:06:52pm

re: #200 Snowcamo Sorry - but please read my comments at #43 and #116. This shit CAN kill you - how many of you obviously depends on a number of factors, but YES it IS that dangerous.
And if my grandfather was still alive, I'm sure he'd be glad to hear that "The lesson learned from World War I was that chemical warfare is inefficient beyond belief."
inefficient does NOT equal not deadly.

212 So?  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 1:09:44pm

This is the most ridiculous story I've ever heard.

"The Iraqi weapons inspectors came across the material as they were closing their offices, which are housed in a building near the U.N. headquarters in Manhattan, said Ewen Buchanan, a spokesman for the inspectors"

Yeah, maybe it was delivered by FedEx or UPS or perhaps the cleaning lady misplaced it along with her Mr. Clean products.

213 hazzyday  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 1:10:18pm

My guess would have been diplomatic smuggling of the gas into the US for nefarious purposes. Much easier then bringing it through Tijuana.

214 So?  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 1:11:05pm

Send it to Polonium Putin™. I hear he loves to eat spread the stuff on his naked torso.

215 Colonel Panik  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 1:17:48pm

re: #201 AirForceWife

#155 insanity police 8/30/2007 10:29:47 am


re: #148 realwest
re: #145 insanity police Both of us will. To not stop or prevent Iran's aspirations in this area would indeed be criminal.

I guess only time will tell.

However, if Bush doesn't do it, Rudy will (God willing if he is elected).


No doubt, Rudy as well as all of the other Presidential candidates will be asked directly what they intend to do to stop Iran if elected, and each one will give a clear, unequivocal answer about exactly how they will.

ooops, rose-colored glasses just fell off. Back to the real world.

Duncan Hunter stated during the New Hampshire Repub candidates debate a few months ago that if all else failed, he'd authorize the use of tactical nukes against Ahamadoinjihad's nuclear facilities.

I think Wolf Blitzer turned pale as a ghost.

216 GreenDroll  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 1:25:58pm

re: #59

Do I smell Osama?

217 Venezuela lover  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 2:12:23pm

re: #209 RobCon

Perhaps the nerve gas was the sulphur that fat ass
Hugo "Mini Me" Chavez smelled recently at the UN
(barring his own BO of course).

"He who smelled it, dealt it." Yep it was Hugo smelling his own farts.

218 Izzy Dunne  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 2:25:50pm

So, looks like we go through this again:

Announce that we have found WMD.
Assemble a coalition of the willing.
Bomb the U.N. from the air for several days.
Invade the U.N.
Capture the head of the U.N.
Put him on trial.
Watch him executed by (both) the peace loving people of the U.N.
Quell the insurgency.
Execute an exit strategery.

I wonder if we can pull it off without a quagmire?

219 Daisy  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 3:55:15pm

Nope, no weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq - none at all.

220 berlinsun  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 4:29:55pm

Phosgene and other carcinogenic gases are produced from welding and brazing.

221 Skul  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 4:52:48pm

"Phosgene and other carcinogenic gases are produced from welding and brazing."
Correct sir. Some old fire-fighting globes also did this.
Not a nerve agent, a chocking agent. Mustard might be a close analogy.

222 GreenSoccer  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 5:27:21pm

I'm still trying to figure out how the West Nile virus epidemic got started in downtown New York city. Seeing as how it came from the land of the Nile, my suspicions is that it came from the same building.

223 UncleSam  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 6:43:34pm

Time to invade the UN building.

224 quietlyoffensive  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 6:59:33pm

Hans. What a kidder. He just missed being in the spotlight. Thought he'd remind everyone he's still alive and all WMD's are present and accounted for. Vile by Vile (sp intentional for you picky peoples).

/sarc off

225 tradewind  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 8:59:32pm

That statement is accurate even if found not to be true, since every one knows that the UN building is home to a huge assortment of of gasbags displaying lots of nerve and little else.

226 tradewind  Thu, Aug 30, 2007 9:02:45pm

#223,
Short of that, a raid to collect parking ticket fines owed by all those scofflaw for-ee-in dell-eh-gates and their drivers would practically wipe out the deficit.

227 ballistic renegade  Fri, Aug 31, 2007 9:19:16am

Remind me again, why the UN is STILL in this country?
"No antidote exists for phosgene"

228 AirForceWife  Fri, Aug 31, 2007 9:52:30am

#215 Colonel Panik 8/30/2007 1:17:48 pm reply quote report


No doubt, Rudy as well as all of the other Presidential candidates will be asked directly what they intend to do to stop Iran if elected, and each one will give a clear, unequivocal answer about exactly how they will.
ooops, rose-colored glasses just fell off. Back to the real world.

Duncan Hunter stated during the New Hampshire Repub candidates debate a few months ago that if all else failed, he'd authorize the use of tactical nukes against Ahamadoinjihad's nuclear facilities.

I think Wolf Blitzer turned pale as a ghost.

Yep. See how I chose my words carefully to say "Rudy, as well as ALL of the other Presidential candidates"...because I was already thinking about how both Duncan and Tancredo are straight shooters that say what they mean and mean what they say. Too bad the American people have become so PC that we'd collectively rather self-destruct than have a President with the kind of spine that both those men have.

229 Snowcamo  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:25:50am

Hi, realwest. I'm honestly very sorry for all the victims of chemical warfare, including your grandfather.
I tried to point out that the danger is relative and in the WW I the casulties were 'achieved' by dumping trainloads on liquid phosgene downwind of troops fixed in trenches. The amount of phosgene per fatality was a little less than half a ton! A vial (guessing a typical laboratory ampoule) holds about 50 mg of pure gaseous phosgene and while not something I'd let my children to play with, if accidentally broken in an open office space, it would present no danger to anyone. Further, the samples produced for calibrating equipment are usually highly diluted (because the equipment are designed to detect very, very minute concentrations and could even be damaged by accidental use of undiluted substances).


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