Scary

Ha! Can we get that on a soccer ball too please?

Homeland Insecurity.

I'd almost have to think that was Photoshopped, it's so absurd.

Now that's taking "sensitivity" to a whole nother level.

I hope they are there recruiting translators.

re: #4 rokbassist

I'd almost have to think that was Photoshopped, it's so absurd.

I think our world has/is absurd. At least our government, that's for sure.

And in the disgrace of the year, right next door to this most radical of radical front groups: the Department of Homeland Security.

That's why we call their boss "Jerkoff".

Of course, some Muslims will read this as: Hey! We're watching you. If so, I'm okay with that.

I would hope they're there to outreach to potential informants, but after what I just read about Mr. Arbington, I'm not so sure...maybe they're making contacts for their retirement, too.

That woman's head is uncovered! Stone her!

DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND INSANITY!

DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND DHIMMITUDE!

DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND DELUSIONS!

Charles-how horrific. This image is chilling. And right on the American poster, right by the flag "Work With the Best".

Absolutely terrifying.

Such lovely people, makes me think of all the wonderful things they have produced for the betterment of mankind. The love they espouse, the justice they seek. Allah will have his day on Earth.

//Do I really need a sarcasm tag?

Chicagostan region on the march. Eurabia was not enough. Working on Amerabia. And getting unpleasantly far with it already.

Apart from a desire to hire people fluent in Arabic to do translation work...

(or the possibility of wanting to 'keep an eye' on the islamic groups there)

Why would Homeland Security be at an Islamic convention at all, let alone next to these people?

So the apparent postition of Homeland Security in regards to Sharia law is fetal.

Islam prohibits separation of mosque and state. That's a problem.

I work with DHS people reguarly. This is disappointing, but hopefully just a mistake by a harried underling.

It is time to pull out the pigs...keep them as pets...put them on airlines...in patrol cars..walk them on a leash around your neighborhood...park them, place them, put them on weather vanes so they spin in all directions...paint them on wall murals...position them around your house, maybe made of stone or on fence posts. T shirts, disposable diapers, tooth paste tubes, tatoos! it is simple, it will work, I'm not kidding, it's not my idea. [Link: www.thepigsite.com...] & this one rocks [Link: itrocks.biteus.org...]

Er, I'm no fan of DHS, but ...

... have you considered whether there was ANOTHER message they were transmitting? Like, 'we're watching you islamist jerks REAL CLOSE so play nice'?

Frankly if I were the guys in the islamist booth, I would be britting shicks with DHS right next to me...

"DHS. We're here. You're queer*. Get used to it."

(*Queer, as in strange, outre', different...)

By the way, there are some other photos in that photostream. Like one with sword here. I wonder what it implies. Maybe I do, maybe I don't...

{Self deleted}

Hey, give DHS a break. Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer, and such.

re: #13 WriterMom

Charles-how horrific. This image is chilling. And right on the American poster, right by the flag "Work With the Best".

Absolutely terrifying.

Hah, they didn't say the best what.

OldLineTexan

Does the DHS ever attend the Southern Baptist Convention for the purposes of "reaching out"?

Not that I endorse the SBC, but I can just imagine the outcries of "Separation of Church and State!" and "Theocracy!" from the Left were that to happen.

Those same people are probably seeing this and our critcism of it and crying "racists!"

The Department of Homeland Security is now the Shield of Islam.

re: #23 ORD neighbor

By the way, there are some other photos in that photostream. Like one with sword here. I wonder what it implies. Maybe I do, maybe I don't...

To me, its says:

Never bring a knife to a gun fight.

OldLineTexan

WTF.

This is Chertoff's M.O.

Pander to the Islamists who want to kill us.

re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So the apparent postition of Homeland Security in regards to Sharia law is fetal.

The "in heat" position (people that own cats or dogs know what I'm talking about).

Mohammedans worldwide are seething at the humiliation of Hizb being placed in the vicinity of the infidel's booth. Peugeots and Citroens quiver in fear.

re: #22 arkay

A very likely scenario. As I said, I work with these people due to the business I'm in. Nothing in my experience has ever led me to any conclusion other than they are dedicated professionals who care deeply about the security of their countrymen. They all have families too, you know.

re: #22 arkay

Er, I'm no fan of DHS, but ...

... have you considered whether there was ANOTHER message they were transmitting? Like, 'we're watching you islamist jerks REAL CLOSE so play nice'?

Frankly if I were the guys in the islamist booth, I would be britting shicks with DHS right next to me...

"DHS. We're here. You're queer*. Get used to it."

(*Queer, as in strange, outre', different...)

Then it should've been an FBI and CIA shared booth, with Marine guards.

OldLineTexan

America's Goal Our Mission:
Work with the best Enemy
There fixed that one.

re: #25 segesta

Hey, give DHS a break. Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer, and such.

One would hope that's the case. The problem is that this country is so infected with PC.

I don't like that f**kers face...re: #23 ORD neighbor

re: #23 ORD neighbor

By the way, there are some other photos in that photostream. Like one with sword here. I wonder what it implies. Maybe I do, maybe I don't...

Good grief!

/hi ORD

Well after all, one man's homeland is another man's ummah.

Hopefully it was there for intimidation purposes.

Look at the rest of his photos too

and BTW
IMO
DHS is thoroughly infiltrated and compromised
as is State

we have already been sold to the Arabs by our so called political and religious leaders

The whores of the caliphate scramble for the prime positions which allow them to keep their heads...

We are just watching a show now...

Did anyone check out the rest of the photos in that flickr stream?

here's one:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Banner reads:
'First Masjid of Alaska Project'

re: #41 BabbaZee

Try that link to the rest of his photos again

dang it! can't figure out the flickr linky trick.

help!

People are pretty quick to judge the DHS based on one poster. With a sizable chunk of the US electorate convinced that George Bush is a bigger problem than Al Qaeda, they have their work cut out for them in more ways than one.

this is too classic...

The Systems of Islam

* Ruling --- small groups of royalty suppress the people and steal the vast majority of wealth
* Education --- little to none, the more education, the more problems they'll have to deal with
* Social --- no social activities, detrimental to Islam itself (i.e. boys and girls never ever ever get to interact)
* Economic --- economy? what economy
* Judicial --- do something we dont like and it's off with your head
* Punishment --- you get to choose, be it getting beheaded, having your hands cut off, or just having your sister get gang raped.

re: #37 apachegunner

apache, seems the team may have to be assembled sooner rather than later!

Gunner, Sabot ..., Fire! Target

Top

I cant post the link.

weirod

Sorry!

re: #33 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #22 arkay

A very likely scenario. As I said, I work with these people due to the business I'm in. Nothing in my experience has ever led me to any conclusion other than they are dedicated professionals who care deeply about the security of their countrymen. They all have families too, you know.

While I admire your optimism and wanting to think the best of these people, Pro-Bush Canuck, I must point out that Leftists, Democrats, those in the CIA, those in the State Department and those in the mass media all have families as well. That has not stopped them from destroying this country from within.

Sorry, I'm not as optimistic here as you.

re: #42 NoSubmission

We are trying to do the same thing
but I cant get the link to all his photos to post...

re: #45 Pro-Bush Canuck

People are pretty quick to judge the DHS based on one poster. With a sizable chunk of the US electorate convinced that George Bush is a bigger problem than Al Qaeda, they have their work cut out for them in more ways than one.

DHS is led by Chertoff, who loves to pander Islamists.

The agency is noble, and the people in it are honorable.

But the management sucks, and the agency doesn't seem to have a consistent message.

That's not based on the poster, but the poster is one example of it.

re: #48 BabbaZee

It's the @ symbol screws up the link.

re: #23 ORD neighbor

By the way, there are some other photos in that photostream. Like one with sword here. I wonder what it implies. Maybe I do, maybe I don't...

I counter your sword with these mad styles

re: #50 BabbaZee

re: #42 NoSubmission

We are trying to do the same thing
but I cant get the link to all his photos to post...

Charles knows the trick. We have to substitute a couple of characters in the url... help. anyone!?

re: #45 Pro-Bush Canuck

True I wonder if they recruit at truther events? They probably have slogans there saying "Come find out what really happened, fire melting steel since 900 B.C."

That sign in the Homeland Security booth says "Americas Goal. Our Mission. Work with the best"

That makes sense.
Recruit Jihadis for homeland security.
Maybe give them flight training for American Airlines.

HERE IS A BIG FAT CLUE YOU DUMB BUREAUCRATS!
WHEN YOU HAVE NUTJOBS THINKING 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB, MAYBE YOU SHOULD NOT GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO PROVE THEIR POINT!

/sorry for screaming. But someone should be fired for this.

re: #53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #23 ORD neighbor

By the way, there are some other photos in that photostream. Like one with sword here. I wonder what it implies. Maybe I do, maybe I don't...

I counter your sword with these mad styles

how about this one with the 'enemy combatants' t-shirt?
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

You have to substitute the unicode for the @. Anyone know the code for @ off the top of their heads?

To post a Flickr link, you have to replace the @ symbol with:

@

The automatic link creator sees the @ symbol and thinks it's an email address.

The Systems of Islam

* Subjugation
* Indoctrination
* Incestual
* Jizya
* Prejudicial
* Limb removal

Weirod, and disturbing.

But.

It does raise the question of how we ARE supposed to recruit people familiar with Arabic culture and language for security work (and yes, we do need them, just as we needed German-speakers in WWII).

re: #52 Killgore Trout

OK thanks.
Sadly that is in the link to his photos so I dont know how to get around it

How are you doing, BabbaZee?

Sad Irony

re: #51 insanity police

re: #45 Pro-Bush Canuck

People are pretty quick to judge the DHS based on one poster. With a sizable chunk of the US electorate convinced that George Bush is a bigger problem than Al Qaeda, they have their work cut out for them in more ways than one.

DHS is led by Chertoff, who loves to pander Islamists.

The agency is noble, and the people in it are honorable.

But the management sucks, and the agency doesn't seem to have a consistent message.

That's not based on the poster, but the poster is one example of it.

Yes, well frankly I don't feel comfortable talking too much about that. All I can do is repeat my own experience: smart, gutsy people who are doing their best in an extremely difficult job (made more difficult by political issues, no doubt).

Islam in the Last Frontier

OT

More evidence of anti-semitism or pro arabism in the UK

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

I have been on Gadna and it is no different really then when I learned to shoot in Day Camp in the US, except you do learn to parade some and you do learn military courtesy. Builds some character as well I think

How about this booth next to Hizb ut-Tahrir.

It’s a quirky water butt in the shape of a human bottom and has an outlet tap.

Maybe they can make one that looks like a sheep's rear end.

re: #45 Pro-Bush Canuck

People are pretty quick to judge the DHS based on one poster. With a sizable chunk of the US electorate convinced that George Bush is a bigger problem than Al Qaeda, they have their work cut out for them in more ways than one.

Just speaking for myself, my opinion of the DHS is based almost entirely on our porous borders, searching of actual little old ladies at airports (witnessed personally on three occasions) while strapping men with ME-style beards walk past, etc.

The poster is just icing on the cake. I wish I could accept the spin that it's a presence as a message, but I just don't see that borne out in their other (in)actions.

OldLineTexan
/waiting to see how the Ummah plays out in Aztlan, because it sure looks like a race between the two of them here

I, myself don/t believe the islamics are one bit intimidated by HLS or anyone else.

re: #59 Charles

To post a Flickr link, you have to replace the @ symbol with:

@

The automatic link creator sees the @ symbol and thinks it's an email address.

Ooooh, thanks for the tip, Charles. Can you please document that in the FAQ?

re: #62 BabbaZee

click on the zoom feature on the top left of the photo and you can link here.

re: #49 MICHAEL in MI

How is the CIA ruining the country?

BTW, don't you think your website heading (the part about the morons) is a bit harsh? That's the kind of stuff the KosKidz will use to attack us.

RT
Here is Chertoff's testimony in Congress today. Note that does not know a damn thing about student visas. It is like he never considered the implication for illegal or nefarious entry. nAlso note that he seems moreinterested in open borders and amnesty than security. And I think I now know why. Because these require Congressional action, in the event of another terror attack via open borders or illegal entry, he will have cover.

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

re: #55 SecretInternetDoucheBag

Damn I forgot to put in the link

re: #70 southernborn

maybe i better expand that a bit. Their arses have been kissed too much by the libs

re: #59 Charles

Thanks.

Trying again

Is it okay to question their patriotism now?

(I'm talking about Homeland Security, not the Islamic jackoffs.)

re: #50 BabbaZee

Are you using IE as your browser? If so switch to Firefox. it is much better at linking.

re: #63 Ward Cleaver

Whooped...
but I'm still standing here, lol

re: #68 rab3

How about this booth next to Hizb ut-Tahrir.

It’s a quirky water butt in the shape of a human bottom and has an outlet tap.

Uh, yeah. Whatever.

re: #21 Lobosan5

It is time to pull out the pigs...keep them as pets...put them on airlines...in patrol cars..walk them on a leash around your neighborhood...park them, place them, put them on weather vanes so they spin in all directions...paint them on wall murals...position them around your house, maybe made of stone or on fence posts. T shirts, disposable diapers, tooth paste tubes, tatoos! it is simple, it will work, I'm not kidding, it's not my idea. [Link: www.thepigsite.com...] & this one rocks [Link: itrocks.biteus.org...]

I say we need trained suicide pig bombs. That and piglet hand grenades.

re: #79 pat

Bah I do not use Stan's browser haha
I am on Firefox

yep Top, I'm with ya here...re: #47 1SG(ret)

re: #69 OldLineTexan

re: #45 Pro-Bush Canuck

People are pretty quick to judge the DHS based on one poster. With a sizable chunk of the US electorate convinced that George Bush is a bigger problem than Al Qaeda, they have their work cut out for them in more ways than one.

Just speaking for myself, my opinion of the DHS is based almost entirely on our porous borders, searching of actual little old ladies at airports (witnessed personally on three occasions) while strapping men with ME-style beards walk past, etc.

The poster is just icing on the cake. I wish I could accept the spin that it's a presence as a message, but I just don't see that borne out in their other (in)actions.

OldLineTexan
/waiting to see how the Ummah plays out in Aztlan, because it sure looks like a race between the two of them here

Those policies are the result of decisions made at the highest levels of government. The DHS only has so much leeway here.

I'm still unclear what "The Shield" is.

Is this a commonly known thing, with meaning I'm just missing? From a (very) layman point of view, it's almost like they're alluding to the cop show on FX.

re: #65 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #51 insanity police

re: #45 Pro-Bush Canuck

People are pretty quick to judge the DHS based on one poster. With a sizable chunk of the US electorate convinced that George Bush is a bigger problem than Al Qaeda, they have their work cut out for them in more ways than one.

DHS is led by Chertoff, who loves to pander Islamists.
The agency is noble, and the people in it are honorable.

But the management sucks, and the agency doesn't seem to have a consistent message.

That's not based on the poster, but the poster is one example of it.

Yes, well frankly I don't feel comfortable talking too much about that. All I can do is repeat my own experience: smart, gutsy people who are doing their best in an extremely difficult job (made more difficult by political issues, no doubt).

I agree. But the leadership is not what it should be. Put Joe Lieberman or someone who understands terrorism and terrorists in charge who won't pander.

re: #74 pat

RT
Here is Chertoff's testimony in Congress today. Note that does not know a damn thing about student visas. It is like he never considered the implication for illegal or nefarious entry. nAlso note that he seems moreinterested in open borders and amnesty than security. And I think I now know why. Because these require Congressional action, in the event of another terror attack via open borders or illegal entry, he will have cover.

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

What a moron. But then he's just carrying water for Bush and the illegal alien pimps in the homebuilding industry (among others).

re: #25 segesta

Hey, give DHS a break. Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer, and such.

Exactly.

All things considered, is it better for DHS to be at these conventions or NOT be at these conventions?

I'd argue that its better for them to be there.

Also, who says that these DHS persons with their nice booth were the only Federal representatives on premises then?

re: #86 Cognito

I'm still unclear what "The Shield" is.

Is this a commonly known thing, with meaning I'm just missing? From a (very) layman point of view, it's almost like they're alluding to the cop show on FX.

I hope Vick Mackey didn't convert.

The Muslim Brotherhood "Project"

re: #73 insanity police

re: #49 MICHAEL in MI

How is the CIA ruining the country?

BTW, don't you think your website heading (the part about the morons) is a bit harsh? That's the kind of stuff the KosKidz will use to attack us.

Hasn't the CIA been leaking secrets to the NYT and other mass media for years now? Or do I have my agencies confused?

With regards to the "website heading". That comes from Reginald's "You are a F***ing Moron" (YAAFM) series. Kinda like the Penn and Teller Bullsh** series. Watch the video. Absolutely hilarious.

And I am not ashamed to have that as my header and could care less if people think less of me for it.

I once had a girl on my blog tell me that I was "the most pathetic excuse for a man I have ever met" based on my position on "the medical procedure which shall not be discussed here at LGF".

I could breathe and the Leftists would hate me all because I support the war, am a Christian and a Conservative. So I don't worry anymore about what gets their panties in a twist and makes them think less of me.

Then again, I am not Charles Johnson nor Michelle Malkin, etc, so I don't have to worry about my reputation in the blogosphere. That's the nice thing about being an anonymous little peon. I don't have to worry about the PC crap with which they have to deal.

re: #23 ORD neighbor

By the way, there are some other photos in that photostream. Like one with sword here. I wonder what it implies. Maybe I do, maybe I don't...

I'm sick and tired of seeing muslims with that familiar look of pure hatred in their eyes. And we're supposed to play nice forever? Bring it on, bitch!

re: #85 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #69 OldLineTexan

re: #45 Pro-Bush Canuck

People are pretty quick to judge the DHS based on one poster. With a sizable chunk of the US electorate convinced that George Bush is a bigger problem than Al Qaeda, they have their work cut out for them in more ways than one.

Just speaking for myself, my opinion of the DHS is based almost entirely on our porous borders, searching of actual little old ladies at airports (witnessed personally on three occasions) while strapping men with ME-style beards walk past, etc.
The poster is just icing on the cake. I wish I could accept the spin that it's a presence as a message, but I just don't see that borne out in their other (in)actions.

OldLineTexan
/waiting to see how the Ummah plays out in Aztlan, because it sure looks like a race between the two of them here

Those policies are the result of decisions made at the highest levels of government. The DHS only has so much leeway here.

Who is in charge of DHS, and who is his boss?

Shorter than my mangement chain.

I am not criticizing any individual employee, but the Dept. as a whole does not meet my expectations of Homeland or Security. Yes, I have written my elected officials, etc. I voted, therefore I get to complain. These people work for me in theory, but do not answer to me in practicality. That's not a good thing.

OldLineTexan

re: #22 arkay

Er, I'm no fan of DHS, but ...

... have you considered whether there was ANOTHER message they were transmitting? Like, 'we're watching you islamist jerks REAL CLOSE so play nice'?

Frankly if I were the guys in the islamist booth, I would be britting shicks with DHS right next to me...

"DHS. We're here. You're queer*. Get used to it."

(*Queer, as in strange, outre', different...)

That's my hope.

O/T

Good article: Middle East Tensions Flare Again (in U.S.)

#16 LanceKates 9/05/2007 9:04:16 am

Why would Homeland Security be at an Islamic convention at all, let alone next to these people?

Keep your friends close, your enemies closer? No, unfortunately, political correctness is everywhere.

re: #39 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Well after all, one man's homeland is another man's The entire Caliphate's ummah.

Fixed it for ya.

#91 BabbaZee
Thanks for that link.

re: #92 MICHAEL in MI

Unfortunately I am not privy to what the CIA does. I didn't know they leaked stuff to the NYT as you say.

As far as the website heading, I was just curious. I'll watch the video.

I'll agree that Islamic Extremists and Islamists are morons. But something about painting all people with one huge brush stroke makes me a little nervous.

re: #89 looking closely

Like , Hey , Lets put cameras at every entrance , exit , restroom, and ...Oh yea! That Shield booth thingy!
Wonder what fun stuff we could but on ... Youtube
or something...Yea! That sounds like fun!

This is nice.
From his photo stream.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Caption: This is Hammad Abdur-Raheem while he was under house arrest with his daughter.

Who is Hammad?

Judge Leonie M. Brinkema of the U.S. District Court in the Eastern District of Virginia handed down the convictions against Masoud Khan, Hammad Abdur-Raheem and Seifullah Chapman. Khan was convicted of eight charges: conspiracy to levy war against the United States; conspiracy; providing support to the Taliban; conspiracy to provide support to Lashkar-e-Taiba (LET); firearms conspiracy; and three counts of use of firearms in connection with a crime of violence. Hammad Abdur-Raheem was convicted three counts: conspiring to provide material support to LET, conspiracy and firearms conspiracy. Chapman was found guilty on five counts: conspiring to provide material support to LET, conspiracy, firearms conspiracy, possession of firearms in connection with a crime of violence and use of a firearm in connection with a crime of violence.

[Link: www.usdoj.gov...]

So the guy who took the pic and thinks its so funny is friends with this Jihadi. Hammad got 9 years.
Check out the other pics he has of him attending the cartoon protests and the protests at the start of the Iraq war.

Islamo-libs.

these people (DOH) failed us on 9-11

these people will fail us again.

next time it happens how many more will die? How many more families will suffer? Why do we allow this type of thinking in our country? They use the guise of religious freedom to destroy us.

With regards to whether it is better to have DHS attend these conferences or not. I would say that it is better they NOT attend. Why? Because with DHS there, the Islamic groups will "moderate" their messages and not show their true colors. If DHS truly wanted to keep an eye on these people, they would attend undercover and report out similar to the UK press which went undercover at the mosques. Being there openly will do not good for DHS to find out the truth about these people's intentions and goals.

Weee seee youuu.

Boy, getting a Musselman into the right place at DHS, or maybe TSA, would be a wonderful coup. For the Musselmen.

Imagine what kind of weaponry, for example, you could get by in a carry-on bag if a sympathizer were manning the x-ray machine.

That's the photo of the year.

The West leadership is perfectly insane: congrats !

The Shield: Islamic Commentary on the State of the Ummah
is probably some kind of publication or website. I haven't had any luck finding it yet.

The Islamic Thinkers Idiots Society I'm sure has an idea.

re: #45 Pro-Bush Canuck

With all the stories about the DHS it has become pretty clear to me that the DHS is figthing a marketing campaign to make people think travel is safer.

Similarly, Turkish Islamist politicians come from party which sounds just like the Nazis.

I don't think most people realize just how awful Turkey going Islamic is in terms of what it says about the world as a whole and the near future.

re: #99 southernborn

Most welcome

re: #110 Beagle

Similarly, Turkish Islamist politicians come from party which sounds just like the Nazis.

I don't think most people realize just how awful Turkey going Islamic is in terms of what it says about the world as a whole and the near future.

You can't be a little bit Islamist. That is what Turkey is showing the world.

re: #100 insanity police

re: #92 MICHAEL in MI

Unfortunately I am not privy to what the CIA does. I didn't know they leaked stuff to the NYT as you say.

As far as the website heading, I was just curious. I'll watch the video.

I'll agree that Islamic Extremists and Islamists are morons. But something about painting all people with one huge brush stroke makes me a little nervous.

Certain elements suffering from BDS are employed by the CIA and have made it a point to try and undermine the admin. One person was fired after flunking a lie dectector about a year or so ago.

Eat your loca weed lil allah it's good for prolonged seething

re: #100 insanity police

re: #92 MICHAEL in MI

Unfortunately I am not privy to what the CIA does. I didn't know they leaked stuff to the NYT as you say.

As far as the website heading, I was just curious. I'll watch the video.

I'll agree that Islamic Extremists and Islamists are morons. But something about painting all people with one huge brush stroke makes me a little nervous.

I can understand that. Those who know me well know my feeling about the Muslim community as a whole. My issue is with Islam, not all Muslims. Just as all Catholics do not follow the tenets of Catholicism and are not true Catholics, even when they call themselves such, I believe the same is true of most Muslims. Not all of them follow all the tenets of Islam, so most of them are not the "morons" Reginald calls them in the video.

But I put the description up partly because it shocks people into wondering what the video is all about and partly because it is what Reginald says in the video.

Sure it makes me look bad to anyone who doesn't look at my entire work on my blog, but if people want to snap-judge me like that without knowing the details, there's nothing I can do to stop them. I stopped trying to be politically correct and explaining myself to people who are willfully ignorant and quick-to-judge and condemn a long time ago.

re: #113 Hard Right

re: #100 insanity police

re: #92 MICHAEL in MI

Unfortunately I am not privy to what the CIA does. I didn't know they leaked stuff to the NYT as you say.

As far as the website heading, I was just curious. I'll watch the video.

I'll agree that Islamic Extremists and Islamists are morons. But something about painting all people with one huge brush stroke makes me a little nervous.

Certain elements suffering from BDS are employed by the CIA and have made it a point to try and undermine the admin. One person was fired after flunking a lie dectector about a year or so ago.

That's treason as far as I'm concerned. Who are these people, and why doesn't the rest of the govt. crack down on them? If I see a CIA for Obama or CIA for Hillary bumper sticker I'm going to be suspicious from now on.

Mornin all...

I have a question.

What is a Masjid?

re: #110 Beagle

I don't think most people realize just how awful Turkey going Islamic is in terms of what it says about the world as a whole and the near future.

Correct
it is going to come upon mast like a thief in the night

Cant say we were not warned though

re: #38 Ginn

re: #23 ORD neighbor

By the way, there are some other photos in that photostream. Like one with sword here. I wonder what it implies. Maybe I do, maybe I don't...

Good grief!

/hi ORD

"Here, take some literature. You DO want some, don't you?"

"Put down the sword nice and slow and nobody will get hurt." *reaching for handgun*

Only slightly OT: is there any news from that training camp in upstate New York?

CNN banner:

AP: Rep. Paul Gillmor, R-Ohio, was found dead in his apartment Wednesday, a Republican leadership aide says.

Koskidz will love this.

Most, too

Univ. of Houston's student newspaper Opinion Editor an al-Qaeda sympathizer?

U.S. silencing of Guantanamo poetry unjust
By Sousan Hammad

...Whether the prisoners are guilty is moot; it is unfair and unjust to deny them the right of poetry. It would be an entirely different story if their writings were politically motivated, but their writings are but a mere story, an art form to describe their feelings. Pablo Neruda, the Chilean poet, wrote that he never searched for poetry; it instead was in search for him.

For prisoners - whether in Guantanamo Bay or in the Palestinian Territories - poetry helps ease frustration. It helps to break up the structure of time, and it helps to give prisoners hope that maybe, just maybe, their prison walls will one day disappear.

See also al-Qaeda Training Manual Chapter 13 - Secret Writing And Ciphers And Codes

re: #115 MICHAEL in MI

Fair enough. You sound like a smart guy. Kudos to you. I'll bookmark your site.

re: #102 hous bin pharteen

This is nice.
From his photo stream.

[Link: 48295525@N00/255953784/" title="[www.flickr.com]" target="_blank">www.flickr.com...]

Caption: This is Hammad Abdur-Raheem while he was under house arrest with his daughter.

Who is Hammad?

Judge Leonie M. Brinkema of the U.S. District Court in the Eastern District of Virginia handed down the convictions against Masoud Khan, Hammad Abdur-Raheem and Seifullah Chapman. Khan was convicted of eight charges: conspiracy to levy war against the United States; conspiracy; providing support to the Taliban; conspiracy to provide support to Lashkar-e-Taiba (LET); firearms conspiracy; and three counts of use of firearms in connection with a crime of violence. Hammad Abdur-Raheem was convicted three counts: conspiring to provide material support to LET, conspiracy and firearms conspiracy. Chapman was found guilty on five counts: conspiring to provide material support to LET, conspiracy, firearms conspiracy, possession of firearms in connection with a crime of violence and use of a firearm in connection with a crime of violence.

[Link: www.usdoj.gov...]

So the guy who took the pic and thinks its so funny is friends with this Jihadi. Hammad got 9 years.
Check out the other pics he has of him attending the cartoon protests and the protests at the start of the Iraq war.

Islamo-libs.

Please tell me this guy was deported after he served his time? Or is he an American citizen?

re: #117 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

It's another word for mosque.

re: #117 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

It means "sacred mosque" if I remember right

re: #81 Ward Cleaver

Swing and a miss. Sorry Ward just a little juvenile humor on my part.

I could be wrong, but I think that people posting things like "this is a way for the government to keep an eye on them" are being overly kind.
In my opinion this is part of the Politically Correct charm offensive favored by this administration.
On the one hand they fight the WOT and on the other lecture about the peacefulness of Islam. I believe that the president means well, but it is a schizophrenic strategy.
At the very least it sends a message to the RoP that we are naive fools.

I'm not particularly hacked off about the DHS being there; it makes for an ironic photo, I think, but that's about it. Realistically it's the DHS's job to root out any potential informers within the radical Islamic community. And they won't do that by staying in their offices in Washington. Among other things, they should be all over this sort of conference. Possible huge upside, and no downside that I can see.

That said, I've been poking around a bit to find out more about "The Shield," and I think I've sorted it out. It's the Caliphate (khilafat), according to Kilafah Online.

The Shield, indeed.

re: #117 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Mornin all...

I have a question.

What is a Masjid?

A mosque.

re: #121 Killgore Trout

CNN banner:

AP: Rep. Paul Gillmor, R-Ohio, was found dead in his apartment Wednesday, a Republican leadership aide says.

Koskidz will love this.

That is sad. But to be honest, I read it quickly and I thought it said Ron Paul. God forbid Ron Paul should ever go. What would the country do with itself.

re: #120 bikermailman

Tried to buy an out of state "deer" For that hunting unit.
But ... Alas... No go !
LOL.. sort of!

re: #128 rab3

re: #81 Ward Cleaver

Swing and a miss. Sorry Ward just a little juvenile humor on my part.

Don't worry about it, dude. Ever get that new folder hotkey thing to work?

re: #113 Hard Right

re: #100 insanity police

re: #92 MICHAEL in MI

Unfortunately I am not privy to what the CIA does. I didn't know they leaked stuff to the NYT as you say.

As far as the website heading, I was just curious. I'll watch the video.

I'll agree that Islamic Extremists and Islamists are morons. But something about painting all people with one huge brush stroke makes me a little nervous.

Certain elements suffering from BDS are employed by the CIA and have made it a point to try and undermine the admin. One person was fired after flunking a lie dectector about a year or so ago.

I linked to this before, but it's probably appropriate here also: From National Review Online, about CIA leaks: [Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

re: #127 BabbaZee

re: #117 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

It means "sacred mosque" if I remember right

Thanks all!

We need the Department of War back.

re: #117 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Mornin all...

I have a question.

What is a Masjid?

An Islamic center of peace and love where the imam preaches tolerance and respect for all forms of human life.

re: #134 Ward Cleaver

No. I installed it, restarted my system, hit the function key I assigned it to and got nothing. Still using the mouse and I hate that.

We need to send in Vic Mackey from The Shield to kick some ass.

re: #140 JammieWearingFool

We need to send in Vic Mackey from The Shield to kick some ass.

Yeah, Jack Bauer is too busy being green.

re: #130 Cognito

If the DHS is relying on getting informers in such a place as this, it is in a lot of trouble.

re: #142 hous bin pharteen

re: #130 Cognito

If the DHS is relying on getting informers in such a place as this, it is in a lot of trouble.

Read again, if you don't mind. I said, "among other things."

re: #142 hous bin pharteen

re: #130 Cognito

If the DHS is relying on getting informers in such a place as this, it is in a lot of trouble.

Yup

re: #132 insanity police

re: #121 Killgore Trout

CNN banner:

AP: Rep. Paul Gillmor, R-Ohio, was found dead in his apartment Wednesday, a Republican leadership aide says.

Koskidz will love this.

That is sad. But to be honest, I read it quickly and I thought it said Ron Paul. God forbid Ron Paul should ever go. What would the country do with itself.

His bio says he was an USAF JAG in Vietnam, in '65-'66. Looking at his picture, he looks like somebody who would've died from a heart attack or stroke. Prayers for him and his family.

re: #116 insanity police

re: #113 Hard Right

re: #100 insanity police

re: #92 MICHAEL in MI
Unfortunately I am not privy to what the CIA does. I didn't know they leaked stuff to the NYT as you say.

As far as the website heading, I was just curious. I'll watch the video.

I'll agree that Islamic Extremists and Islamists are morons. But something about painting all people with one huge brush stroke makes me a little nervous.

Certain elements suffering from BDS are employed by the CIA and have made it a point to try and undermine the admin. One person was fired after flunking a lie dectector about a year or so ago.

That's treason as far as I'm concerned. Who are these people, and why doesn't the rest of the govt. crack down on them? If I see a CIA for Obama or CIA for Hillary bumper sticker I'm going to be suspicious from now on.

Here's an answer
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

re: #125 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Dont know why it did not work.
If you look at the photo stream this guy shot it is on page 3 or 4.

re: #130 Cognito

That said, I've been poking around a bit to find out more about "The Shield," and I think I've sorted it out. It's the Caliphate (khilafat), according to Kilafah Online.

The Shield, indeed.

Followed your link - good golly, those people are wordy!

I know he was a racist among other things but we need someone like him now, J.E.Hoover

Maybe it's just me, but, what is the problem? I kind of like the fact that the HS Dept is sitting right next to these pricks.

re: #149 southernborn

I know he was a racist among other things but we need someone like him now, J.E.Hoover

"Other things," heh

re: #138 Kreuzueber Halbmond

re: #117 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Mornin all...

I have a question.

What is a Masjid?

An Islamic center of peace and love where the imam preaches tolerance and respect for all forms of human life.

lol!

Even in his dress he could outrun mo

re: #130 Cognito

Possible huge upside, and no downside that I can see.

The downside is staring you in the face; it's a huge sign of weakness. The person who took the photo got this right away:

Look who is next door...lol

... and so did the commenter "Khalid" who wrote:

Oh, that's funny!

re: #143 Cognito

Okay. Pay attention. I know your a little slow.
If you were planning on ratting out your friends in the Jihad, your going to hang out and/or talk to DHS folks at a frickin Islamic convention?

Shit.
They might as well just walk out the front door and in front of a bus.

/ cant wait to see the DHS booth at the American Nazi parties next rally.

re: #151 Cognito

re: #149 southernborn

I know he was a racist among other things but we need someone like him now, J.E.Hoover

"Other things," heh

Overheard in his office -

"Have a seat, have a seat. Just move that Lane Bryant catalog out of your way."

re: #121 Killgore Trout

CNN banner:

AP: Rep. Paul Gillmor, R-Ohio, was found dead in his apartment Wednesday, a Republican leadership aide says.

Koskidz will love this.

Indeed, the first reaction will be "how can we win this seat..."

There's a photo of the Flickr stream owner, titled "West Pine Masjid Group" with non other than Randall "Isamil"Royer, a now-incarcerated former leader of CAIR.
Sorry, I can't get the photo to link for some reason, but it's there, all right.

Actually I would like to see Pat Robertson's booth next door, be like pouring holy water on a demon

re: #154 Charles

re: #130 Cognito

Possible huge upside, and no downside that I can see.

The downside is staring you in the face; it's a huge sign of weakness. The person who took the photo got this right away:

Look who is next door...lol

... and so did the commenter "Khalid" who wrote:

Oh, that's funny!

All right, I'll concede the possibility of embarrassement in the face of a crowd that largely hates us with roiling rage.

But then again, maybe somebody slips a DHS card in his pocket. Just one is worth the cringe-inducing photo, to my mind.

re: #154 Charles

re: #130 Cognito

Possible huge upside, and no downside that I can see.

The downside is staring you in the face; it's a huge sign of weakness. The person who took the photo got this right away:

Look who is next door...lol

... and so did the commenter "Khalid" who wrote:

Oh, that's funny!

Charles, with all due respect -

I really do not see what the issue is. The fact that the Homeland Security guys are parked right next to these pukes comes across to me as "we're watching you, and we're always right next door"...

But that's just mho...

re: #157 JammieWearingFool

re: #121 Killgore Trout

CNN banner:

AP: Rep. Paul Gillmor, R-Ohio, was found dead in his apartment Wednesday, a Republican leadership aide says.

Koskidz will love this.

Indeed, the first reaction will be "how can we win this seat..."

Jammie, their governor is a Dem. Wouldn't he appoint a replacement, at least temporarily (who would become the incumbent)?

re: #144 opnion

You did read the part I posted that the guy that took this pic is friends with a convicted terrorist?
You think DHS figured THAT one out yet?

(,,,and before you start a 50 comment argument that just because the guy was in the convicted terrorists living room with his daughter taking their picture does not mean they are friends, forget about it. I am not going to waste my time)

re: #156 Ward Cleaver

re: #151 Cognito

re: #149 southernborn

I know he was a racist among other things but we need someone like him now, J.E.Hoover

"Other things," heh

Overheard in his office -

"Have a seat, have a seat. Just move that Lane Bryant catalog out of your way."

What have I told you people about putting spew warnings before LOL comments like this? I just snorted diet coke up my nose.

That was too damn funny.

re: #130 Cognito
also note that the other pic that everyone was trying to link to was a man wearing an "Enemy Combatant" T-shirt. They're mocking the US and our weak security.

re: #150 neverquit

Maybe it's just me, but, what is the problem? I kind of like the fact that the HS Dept is sitting right next to these pricks.

The problem is that nobody trusts our government to not do some hair-brained politically correct stunt like recruit terrorists to protect us.

How to deal with terrorists, an allegory:
"Just give the bully your lunch money, Johnny. Then he'll realize you are really his friend and will quit hitting you."

re: #155 hous bin pharteen

re: #143 Cognito

Okay. Pay attention. I know your a little slow.
If you were planning on ratting out your friends in the Jihad, your going to hang out and/or talk to DHS folks at a frickin Islamic convention?

Shit.
They might as well just walk out the front door and in front of a bus.

/ cant wait to see the DHS booth at the American Nazi parties next rally.

Your sarcasm disguises little, and reveals much.

And, for what it's worth, it's "you're a little slow."

And maybe I am.

re: #165 Killgore Trout

exactly

re: #109 hous bin pharteen

re: #45 Pro-Bush Canuck

With all the stories about the DHS it has become pretty clear to me that the DHS is figthing a marketing campaign to make people think travel is safer.

That's a rather odd position to take considering there have been precisely zero serious incidents involving aviation since 9/11.

What, exactly is your definition of "safer"? Precognition? Clairvoyance?

re: #157 JammieWearingFool

re: #121 Killgore Trout

CNN banner:

AP: Rep. Paul Gillmor, R-Ohio, was found dead in his apartment Wednesday, a Republican leadership aide says.

Koskidz will love this.

Indeed, the first reaction will be "how can we win this seat..."

Nah...the first reaction will be something along the lines of ...neocon deserves what he got, may he burn in the Hell we don't believe in (because that would be acknowledging the existance of God.)

re: #130 Cognito

I'm not particularly hacked off about the DHS being there; it makes for an ironic photo, I think, but that's about it. Realistically it's the DHS's job to root out any potential informers within the radical Islamic community. And they won't do that by staying in their offices in Washington. Among other things, they should be all over this sort of conference. Possible huge upside, and no downside that I can see.
.

Can't agree with this. Any official presence of the US Govt at these events gives them an air of acceptance and respectability, and I don't think our government should be in the business of creating a sense of resepct for these people.

re: #158 sandspur

See comment 59 below:

re: #59 Charles

To post a Flickr link, you have to replace the @ symbol with:

@

The automatic link creator sees the @ symbol and thinks it's an email address.

PIMF
Sorry opnion, that was meant for Cognito.

re: #164 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #156 Ward Cleaver

re: #151 Cognito

re: #149 southernborn

I know he was a racist among other things but we need someone like him now, J.E.Hoover

"Other things," heh

Overheard in his office -
"Have a seat, have a seat. Just move that Lane Bryant catalog out of your way."

What have I told you people about putting spew warnings before LOL comments like this? I just snorted diet coke up my nose.

That was too damn funny.

Sorry. I dunno why, but "portly guy" and "Lane Bryant" came to mind.

I'll concede the possibility of embarrassement in the face of a crowd that largely hates us with roiling rage.

Good grief.

re: #172 zmdavid

Thanks! I'll try again.

To all the kool aid drinkers here: If the DHS was interested in protecting the nation, they would have been standing at the door doing background checks on everyone entering the conference.

/the threat level has been raised from ignorant to stupid

nodrog redux

yawn

See yez later

re: #175 JammieWearingFool

I'll concede the possibility of embarrassement in the face of a crowd that largely hates us with roiling rage.

Good grief.

Funny how often people fail to quote the context.

re: #169 Pro-Bush Canuck

...we also have no evidence that they have since made a serious attempt to do so, have we?
If they have not tried, there has been nothing to stop.

re: #177 Kreuzueber Halbmond

To all the kool aid drinkers here: If the DHS was interested in protecting the nation, they would have been standing at the door doing background checks on everyone entering the conference.

/the threat level has been raised from ignorant to stupid

It is very easy to achieve absolute security. It's called a police state. Not everyone is in favor of this option.

Pastor: Korean Hostage was Killed for Refusing to Convert to Islam

... must be some of that "there is no compulsion in religion" thing we all heard about.

Nothing to be concerned about, nothing at all.
/sarc

re: #180 hous bin pharteen

re: #169 Pro-Bush Canuck

...we also have no evidence that they have since made a serious attempt to do so, have we?
If they have not tried, there has been nothing to stop.

File under "can't prove a negative".

Re:
#66 - is moose meat halal?

#68 - thank the Lord they didn't make a coffee maker!

#131 - Charles, we need a 'Commonly Used Arabic/Islamic Terms' section for the LGF Dictionary!

#74 Ward Clever
devil made me do it
[Link: www.myfavoritedragqueen.com...]

re: #174 Ward Cleaver

That was entirely too funny, I now have this image of J. E. Hoover hunched over his desk, cigar in mouth, circling what he want's with a fountain pen.

re: #166 David IV of Georgia

re: #150 neverquit

Maybe it's just me, but, what is the problem? I kind of like the fact that the HS Dept is sitting right next to these pricks.

The problem is that nobody trusts our government to not do some hair-brained politically correct stunt like recruit terrorists to protect us.

How to deal with terrorists, an allegory:
"Just give the bully your lunch money, Johnny. Then he'll realize you are really his friend and will quit hitting you."

Well, I do not see how one comes to that conclusion so quickly. Do not think for one second that lessons on using muslim groups and obtaining info from them have not been learned in Iraq and Afghanistan. These lessons can, must and will be employed wherever there is potential for success. jmho.

re: #182 Kenneth

Pastor: Korean Hostage was Killed for Refusing to Convert to Islam

... must be some of that "there is no compulsion in religion" thing we all heard about.

It's their version of "gentle persuasion".

Okay, trying again to post the link to Royer and Co.

The only way DHS should be represented at an event like this, is undercover.

re: #154 Charles

re: #130 Cognito

Possible huge upside, and no downside that I can see.

The downside is staring you in the face; it's a huge sign of weakness. The person who took the photo got this right away:

Look who is next door...lol

... and so did the commenter "Khalid" who wrote:

Oh, that's funny!

My take is that it's like a Police booth at a porn convention. It may or may not signify anything, but to some, it means they are being watched. Okay, DHS may not be "all it can be," and that is a shame, but having an open presence at an Islamic meeting is a bold move in the right direction. Now, if they would just get their act together...

re: #181 Pro-Bush Canuck

If I remember right in my mafia days/ the f.b.i. went to every wedding the mob had and every birthday party and took tag numbers.

re: #184 Pro-Bush Canuck

Thats not a negative.

OT:
Rep. Dan Gillmor (R-OH) was found dead in his DC apartment after he failed to show up at his office by a staffer. No word on whether foul play was involved.

re: #187 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #174 Ward Cleaver

That was entirely too funny, I now have this image of J. E. Hoover hunched over his desk, cigar in mouth, circling what he want's with a fountain pen.

"Hmmm... pantsuit, 100% polyester, in powder blue, chartreuse, or lavender. Which color, which color...?"

re: #179 Cognito

re: #175 JammieWearingFool

I'll concede the possibility of embarrassement in the face of a crowd that largely hates us with roiling rage.

Good grief.

Funny how often people fail to quote the context.

Funny how often people continue to embarrass themselves in a public forum.

re: #195 Ward Cleaver

re: #187 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #174 Ward Cleaver

That was entirely too funny, I now have this image of J. E. Hoover hunched over his desk, cigar in mouth, circling what he want's with a fountain pen.

"Hmmm... pantsuit, 100% polyester, in powder blue, chartreuse, or lavender. Which color, which color...?"

I think he was prolly a Powder blue guy myself.

more outrage,

Meanwhile, medical examinations showed no signs that the last 12 women were raped and none reported being sexually harassed despite reports from the first two released hostages – both women – who said they were repeatedly raped by their captors, according to an ABC News report on Saturday.

Mirajuddin Pathan, the governor of Ghazni province, had also said he received reports that “various Taliban commanders were fighting over the women hostages” and that “[t]hey were abused over and over", according to ABC News.

I wonder when Brian DePalma will make a movie about this?

re: #190 sandspur

Okay, trying again to post the link to Royer and Co.

The only way DHS should be represented at an event like this, is undercover.

I agree that the US government should never attend events like this. In Canada we have a sordid history of the government consorting with terrorist groups to curry ethnic votes (most notoriously, the Tigers Eleam, which have killed more people than all Islamist attacks combined, several times over).

Fortunately the Canadian government is showing signs of improvement. Our PM Stephen Harper held the line and supported Israel on the Lebanese war last year, even after the US caved in.

re: #197 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #195 Ward Cleaver

re: #187 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #174 Ward Cleaver
That was entirely too funny, I now have this image of J. E. Hoover hunched over his desk, cigar in mouth, circling what he want's with a fountain pen.

"Hmmm... pantsuit, 100% polyester, in powder blue, chartreuse, or lavender. Which color, which color...?"

I think he was prolly a Powder blue guy myself.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

re: #193 hous bin pharteen

re: #184 Pro-Bush Canuck

Thats not a negative.

You can't prove that there were not any attempted attacks that nobody knew about, if that's what you mean.

The bottom line is that there have been no major attacks. That hardly qualifies as failure for most people.

Chapter Thirteen: Using Spies

Sun-tzu said:

Generally, raising an army of a hundred thousand and advancing it a thousand li, the expenses to the people and the nation's resources are one thousand gold pieces a day. ?

Those in commotion internally and externally, those exhausted on the roads, and those unable to do their daily work are seven hundred thousand families. ?

Two sides remain in standoff for several years in order to do battle for a decisive victory on a single day. ?

Yet one refusing to outlay a hundred pieces of gold and thereby does not know the enemy's situation is the height of inhumanity. ?

This one is not the general of the people, a help to the ruler, or the master of victory. ?

What enables the enlightened rulers and good generals to conquer the enemy at every move and achieve extraordinary success is foreknowledge. ?

Foreknowledge cannot be elicited from ghosts and spirits;

it cannot be inferred from comparison of previous events, or from the calculations of the heavens, but must be obtained from people who have knowledge of the enemy's situation. ?

Therefore there are five kinds of spies used:

Local spies, internal spies, double spies, dead spies, and living spies. ?

When all five are used, and no one knows their Way, it is called the divine organization, and is the ruler's treasure. ?

For local spies, we use the enemy's people.

For internal spies we use the enemy's officials.

For double spies we use the enemy's spies.

For dead spies we use agents to spread misinformation to the enemy. For living spies, we use agents to return with reports. ?

Therefore, of those close to the army, none is closer than spies, no reward more generously given, and no matter in greater secrecy. ?

Only the wisest ruler can use spies;

only the most benevolent and upright general can use spies, and only the most alert and observant person can get the truth using spies.

It is subtle, subtle! ?

There is nowhere that spies cannot be used. ?

If a spy's activities are leaked before they are to begin, the spy and those who know should be put to death. ?

Generally, if you want to attack an army, besiege a walled city, assassinate individuals, you must know the identities of the defending generals, assistants, associates, gate guards, and officers. ?

You must have spies seek and learn them.

You must seek enemy spies.

Bribe them, and instruct and retain them.

Therefore, double spies can be obtained and used. ?

From their knowledge, you can obtain local and internal spies.

From their knowledge, the dead spies can spread misinformation to the enemy.

From their knowledge, our living spies can be used as planned.

The ruler must know these five kinds of espionage. ?

This knowledge depends on the double spies.

Therefore, you must treat them with the utmost generosity. ?

In ancient times, the rise of the Yin dynasty was due to I Chih, who served the house of Hsia;

the rise of the Chou dynasty was due to Lu Ya, who served the house of Yin. ?

Therefore, enlightened rulers and good generals who are able to obtain intelligent agents as spies are certain for great achievements. ?

This is essential for warfare, and what the army depends on to move. ?

re: #192 southernborn

But were they advertising at the wedding for mafia members to join the FBI at said weddings?

If DHS was spying on suspects, thats one thing. Thats not what they were doing.

re: #196 JammieWearingFool

re: #179 Cognito

re: #175 JammieWearingFool

I'll concede the possibility of embarrassement in the face of a crowd that largely hates us with roiling rage.

Good grief.

Funny how often people fail to quote the context.

Funny how often people continue to embarrass themselves in a public forum.

Oh, yes, tremendously embarrassing. I'm hardly able to type, for the shame of it.

re: #200 Ward Cleaver

re: #197 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #195 Ward Cleaver

re: #187 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #174 Ward Cleaver
That was entirely too funny, I now have this image of J. E. Hoover hunched over his desk, cigar in mouth, circling what he want's with a fountain pen.

"Hmmm... pantsuit, 100% polyester, in powder blue, chartreuse, or lavender. Which color, which color...?"

I think he was prolly a Powder blue guy myself.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

I just can't picture him in chartruse, and lavender...Lord no! He's the head of the F.B.I. for pete sake...lavender is too girly for that!

Flickr links will now work like any other links -- no need to replace the @ character.

I disabled the email linking code. Better that way anyway.

re: #192 southernborn

Could have learned that from the first Godfather movie.

re: #185 cygnus

Re:
#66 - is moose meat halal?

#68 - thank the Lord they didn't make a coffee maker!

#131 - Charles, we need a 'Commonly Used Arabic/Islamic Terms' section for the LGF Dictionary!

I concur with the suggestion of an Arabic/Urdu/Syriac/etc./Islamic Terms section (or a good link to one).

I was in Walmart Monday and thought, "That's a nice hijab that woman is wearing." Then I thought, "Why the hell do I know what a hijab is?"

re: #33 Pro-Bush Canuck

I was employed by TSA for 9 months, they are the most screwed up organization anywhere. It is made up of rejects from other government agencies (upper level management), they have no idea what they are doing, they are politcially correct to the max. The average Joe working for TSA is trying to do his job, but management is clueless, and they constantly shoot themselves in the foot.
Its a miracle we haven't been hit so far. It certainly isn't because DHS knows what it is doing.

All the Flickr links posted above are now valid, if you refresh the page.

re: #193 hous bin pharteen

re: #184 Pro-Bush Canuck

Thats not a negative.

Or, if you mean that there haven't been any more attempts and that they are saving up for the "big one", well that is certainly a possibility. Many things are possible. Again, no more attacks on Bush's watch.

I'm much more worried about life under President Clinton in 2009.

#207 Simon Jester

re: #192 southernborn

Could have learned that from the first Godfather movie.

I did. Didn't you see this /

I'll test a repost...
Umar and Abdul-Malik

"Enemy combatant"

The seem nice. I'm sure they're on their way to the DHS booth to help out.

re: #199 Pro-Bush Canuck

Curry ethnic votes? Tamil Tigers?

Pardon your pun.

re: #179 Cognito

It's not about embarrassement it's about legitimacy and the propaganda value which ensues regaurding fund raising and recruiting among "moderates".

re: #208 David IV of Georgia

re: #185 cygnus

Re:
#66 - is moose meat halal?

#68 - thank the Lord they didn't make a coffee maker!

#131 - Charles, we need a 'Commonly Used Arabic/Islamic Terms' section for the LGF Dictionary!

I concur with the suggestion of an Arabic/Urdu/Syriac/etc./Islamic Terms section (or a good link to one).

I was in Walmart Monday and thought, "That's a nice hijab that woman is wearing." Then I thought, "Why the hell do I know what a hijab is?"

One should know one's enemy..not that this woman is an islamofacist.. I speak in general terms. It isn't bad, therefore, to be very familiar with the terma hijab, hilal, haram etc. I have a Koran in my library as well.

New 12Z GFS says strong tropical storm makes a glancing blow on Hatteras, and then just misses Nantucket.

Mind you, as a somewhat coarse resolution model (because it is global and runs out 15 days) the GFS may be underestimating the strength of Tropical Disturbance 99L/future Gabrielle

Higher resolution WRF model shows a stronger hurricane. However, the WRF is not considered one of the more reliable tropical models.

Environment Canada Global Model says a hurricane making landfall near NC/SC state line Saturday.

The 0Z models tonight will hqve better data on position and movement of Tropical Disturbance 99L, which may already be a Sub-Tropical Depression. A WC-130J Hurricane Hunter AC is enroute to the storm, and last automated tracdking point was near 30.3&degN, 76&degW, or about 6° West of the center of the disturbance.

re: #209 cybermonk

re: #33 Pro-Bush Canuck

I was employed by TSA for 9 months, they are the most screwed up organization anywhere. It is made up of rejects from other government agencies (upper level management), they have no idea what they are doing, they are politcially correct to the max. The average Joe working for TSA is trying to do his job, but management is clueless, and they constantly shoot themselves in the foot.
Its a miracle we haven't been hit so far. It certainly isn't because DHS knows what it is doing.

Sounds like a description of government in general. Look, I'm the last one to argue that policy has been perfect in this area, however given the political and logistical realities of "securing" an entity as massive and protean as the United States, I honestly don't know what people expect. Unless it's a quasi-police state, which to me is worse than the threat of Islamist attack.

Remember Ben Franklin and his adivice about trading freedom for security...

re: #182 Kenneth

Pastor: Korean Hostage was Killed for Refusing to Convert to Islam

... must be some of that "there is no compulsion in religion" thing we all heard about.

This is the correct definition of 'martyr'.

re: #215 bulwrk

re: #179 Cognito

It's not about embarrassement it's about legitimacy and the propaganda value which ensues regaurding fund raising and recruiting among "moderates".

That's a legimitmate argument. But I'd say that if someone isn't disposed toward terrorism, an ironic photo of a DHS poster isn't going to shift them. And if they are disposed toward terrorism, the DHS poster can't further inflame them.

re: #202 neverquit

Chapter Thirteen: Using Spies

Sun-tzu said:

Generally, raising an army of a hundred thousand and advancing it a thousand li, the expenses to the people and the nation's resources are one thousand gold pieces a day. ?

Those in commotion internally and externally, those exhausted on the roads, and those unable to do their daily work are seven hundred thousand families. ?

Two sides remain in standoff for several years in order to do battle for a decisive victory on a single day. ?

Yet one refusing to outlay a hundred pieces of gold and thereby does not know the enemy's situation is the height of inhumanity. ?

This one is not the general of the people, a help to the ruler, or the master of victory. ?

What enables the enlightened rulers and good generals to conquer the enemy at every move and achieve extraordinary success is foreknowledge. ?

Foreknowledge cannot be elicited from ghosts and spirits;

it cannot be inferred from comparison of previous events, or from the calculations of the heavens, but must be obtained from people who have knowledge of the enemy's situation. ?

Therefore there are five kinds of spies used:

Local spies, internal spies, double spies, dead spies, and living spies. ?

When all five are used, and no one knows their Way, it is called the divine organization, and is the ruler's treasure. ?

For local spies, we use the enemy's people.

For internal spies we use the enemy's officials.

For double spies we use the enemy's spies.

For dead spies we use agents to spread misinformation to the enemy. For living spies, we use agents to return with reports. ?

Therefore, of those close to the army, none is closer than spies, no reward more generously given, and no matter in greater secrecy. ?

Only the wisest ruler can use spies;

only the most benevolent and upright general can use spies, and only the most alert and observant person can get the truth using spies.

It is subtle, subtle! ?

There is nowhere that spies cannot be used. ?

If a spy's activities are leaked before they are to begin, the spy and those who know should be put to death. ?

Generally, if you want to attack an army, besiege a walled city, assassinate individuals, you must know the identities of the defending generals, assistants, associates, gate guards, and officers. ?

You must have spies seek and learn them.

You must seek enemy spies.

Bribe them, and instruct and retain them.

Therefore, double spies can be obtained and used. ?

From their knowledge, you can obtain local and internal spies.

From their knowledge, the dead spies can spread misinformation to the enemy.

From their knowledge, our living spies can be used as planned.

The ruler must know these five kinds of espionage. ?

This knowledge depends on the double spies.

Therefore, you must treat them with the utmost generosity. ?

In ancient times, the rise of the Yin dynasty was due to I Chih, who served the house of Hsia;

the rise of the Chou dynasty was due to Lu Ya, who served the house of Yin. ?

Therefore, enlightened rulers and good generals who are able to obtain intelligent agents as spies are certain for great achievements. ?

This is essential for warfare, and what the army depends on to move. ?

Wow, one of the authorities over there is Gen. Buzz Krulak. Ooo-rah!

I still think the best security plan ever designed by men is the Second Ammendment.

#208

re: #185 cygnus

Re:
#66 - is moose meat halal?

#68 - thank the Lord they didn't make a coffee maker!

#131 - Charles, we need a 'Commonly Used Arabic/Islamic Terms' section for the LGF Dictionary!

I concur with the suggestion of an Arabic/Urdu/Syriac/etc./Islamic Terms section (or a good link to one).

I was in Walmart Monday and thought, "That's a nice hijab that woman is wearing." Then I thought, "Why the hell do I know what a hijab is?"

I'd like to see them out in a good ole southern cotton field wearing that hijab. I bet they'd uncover the meat then

re: #211 Pro-Bush Canuck

I'm much more worried about life under President Clinton in 2009.

It's the biggest worry we can have. Domestic issues are easy compared to what a President Hillary could do to undo the hard work done since 9/11 by the Bush Admin. And as we have seen (like in this thread), Bush and Co. have not done nearly enough.

re: #157 JammieWearingFool

re: #121 Killgore Trout

CNN banner:

AP: Rep. Paul Gillmor, R-Ohio, was found dead in his apartment Wednesday, a Republican leadership aide says.

Koskidz will love this.

Indeed, the first reaction will be "how can we win this seat..."

Well, HuffPo has a thread up on this. Second abnd third posts in you get this:

Captain EdwardGraham

JESUS allowed this?

| Parent | posted 01:00 pm on 09/05/2007

lateshift

praise Jesus!
| Parent | posted 01:01 pm on 09/05/2007

Another example of what the left has become today.

re: #201 Pro-Bush Canuck

I know what you are saying. That because there have been no attacks, therefore they are doing a good job. I get it.

But you cant say we defended against an attack if there was none.
That makes no sense.
My problem is the same as what has been posted before. The PC searches. Hiring suspicious people to work at the airports.
Missing ID tags. Weak security at some gates at the airport.
Etc, etc.
I do not expect these folks to do the impossible. I expect them to do the logical, common sense things.

re: #220 Cognito
Ha. "Legitimate," that is.

Ot, but as some are discussing...I'm sure Charles linked to this when is came out...

[Link: rantsand.blogspot.com...]

re: #219 cygnus

re: #182 Kenneth

Pastor: Korean Hostage was Killed for Refusing to Convert to Islam

... must be some of that "there is no compulsion in religion" thing we all heard about.

This is the correct definition of 'martyr'.

Exactly.

re: #212 southernborn

oooh, sorry. I'm still learning the jargon/abbreviations, etc.

Awesome! Now I know how to convey sarcasm.

...for the record, that was NOT sarcastic.

Seriously. Thanks.

Well, I found someone already noting how Gillmor's death will be a burden to the GOP.

No, not a Kos Kid, but her name is Kucinich...

re: #47 1SG(ret)

steel on steal.

re: #226 hous bin pharteen

re: #201 Pro-Bush Canuck

I know what you are saying. That because there have been no attacks, therefore they are doing a good job. I get it.

But you cant say we defended against an attack if there was none.
That makes no sense.
My problem is the same as what has been posted before. The PC searches. Hiring suspicious people to work at the airports.
Missing ID tags. Weak security at some gates at the airport.
Etc, etc.
I do not expect these folks to do the impossible. I expect them to do the logical, common sense things.

What is logical and common-sensical to you, me and other Lizards is anathema to Kossacks and their ilk. And their voice is at least as loud as ours these days.

re: #204 Cognito

Cog, Charles is right. The Flickr page adds context to this pic. Whatever the dullards at Homeland Security think, it is clear that it is considered to be the enemy of ordinary Muslims living in America. That is the message.

re: #222 Pro-Bush Canuck

I still think the best security plan ever designed by men is the Second Ammendment.

Yeah, and it doesn't require a bloated government bureaucracy to administer it.

re: #210 Charles

All the Flickr links posted above are now valid, if you refresh the page.

We're not worthy!

You are a genius

re: #219 cygnus

Amen.

re: #226 hous bin pharteen

I do not expect these folks to do the impossible. I expect them to do the logical, common sense things.

You expect that from an administration that says that
islam is a religion of peace ?

I don't.

/and nuclear iran is still nuclear iran...

re: #235 Kreuzueber Halbmond

re: #222 Pro-Bush Canuck

I still think the best security plan ever designed by men is the Second Ammendment.

Yeah, and it doesn't require a bloated government bureaucracy to administer it.

Amazingly only a minute percentage of the world's population really understands that the security of the world hangs on this precious principle.

No Second Ammendment: goodbye freedom in the US.

No freedom in the US: goodbye freedom everywhere else.

re: #138 Kreuzueber Halbmond

re: #117 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Mornin all...

I have a question.

What is a Masjid?

An Islamic center of peace and love where the imam preaches tolerance and respect for all forms of human life.

Ah, so it's an imaginary place...

No Second Ammendment: goodbye freedom in the US.

No freedom in the US: goodbye freedom everywhere else.

Amen.

Notice, all you creationists, that the Islamic creationist group Harun Yahya was also at the convention was a booth of their own. (From the same slide show as the photo at the top of the thread.)

Under shari'a, creationism would be taught in the schools.

way, way OT - just now on FoxNews: Norman Hsu skips his bail hearing, loses his $2 million bond, passport is missing as well as Mr. Hsu.

re: #240 rabidsquirrel

Ah, so it's an imaginary place...

For islamic hippies

was a booth = with a booth

PIMF

re: #234 pat

re: #204 Cognito

Cog, Charles is right. The Flickr page adds context to this pic. Whatever the dullards at Homeland Security think, it is clear that it is considered to be the enemy of ordinary Muslims living in America. That is the message.

Another legit argument, Pat. But I'd say the poster and its ridiculous placement aren't the cause of that state. The poster can't make enemies of the country hate us any more than they already do; the only thing it might do, that I can see, is to reach that one guy or gal who has seen something and might be willing to speak up.

Wishful thinking, maybe.

re: #233 Pro-Bush Canuck

I don't think it is possible to prevent a serious attack if the enemy does their home work. Not even with a police state. They just have to find a weak spot.
That is why I say I think much of it is PR work. If they came out and told the truth as they see it, I don't think many people would fly. That they can't have. The odds on you being killed on an airliner do to terrorist attack? People do not think that way. They do not weigh the risks. They get scared.

re: #208 David IV of Georgia

re: #185 cygnus

Re:
#66 - is moose meat halal?

#68 - thank the Lord they didn't make a coffee maker!

#131 - Charles, we need a 'Commonly Used Arabic/Islamic Terms' section for the LGF Dictionary!

I concur with the suggestion of an Arabic/Urdu/Syriac/etc./Islamic Terms section (or a good link to one).

I was in Walmart Monday and thought, "That's a nice hijab that woman is wearing." Then I thought, "Why the hell do I know what a hijab is?"

Sounds like you have a little, ahem, metrosexual thing going on.
/not that there's anything wrong with that.
/I'm just sayin'

re: #243 reine.de.tout

So they know who that is

Another Harun Yahya booth photo at the ISNA convention.

#243 Reine.de.tout

way, way OT - just now on FoxNews: Norman Hsu skips his bail hearing, loses his $2 million bond, passport is missing as well as Mr. Hsu.

I d say there is much much more to this man and his dealings than someone might have wanted him stay around for.