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Wed, Sep 5, 2007 at 7:41:26 pm PDT

LGF Poll

Which Republican candidate turned in the best performance in the September 5 debate?

14/1%Sam Brownback
455/31.8%Rudy Giuliani
163/11.4%Mike Huckabee
120/8.4%Duncan Hunter
149/10.4%John McCain
284/19.9%Ron Paul
139/9.7%Mitt Romney
106/7.4%Tom Tancredo

 
(This poll is closed.)

UPDATE at 9/5/07 9:56:13 pm:

Here come the Paulians again. Time to close this poll.

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1 DesertSage  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:42:04pm

Ron Paul!

2 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:42:25pm
3 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:42:25pm

Ron Paul!
/

4 Thanos  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:42:30pm

Ron Paul!

5 phoenixgirl  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:42:35pm

/what debate?

6 Thanos  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:43:23pm

Who has the worse speaking voice: Greta or Ron?

7 Izzy Dunne  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:43:36pm

Fred Thompson

8 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:43:40pm

I liked Rudy's responses. Romney did not impress me all that much. Tancredo seemed to trip over himself. Hunter didn't make much impression on me, but I gather from comments I missed much of his statements. I like Huckabee, but again he didn't have all that much to say.

McCain is sort of pathetic. Sad, really.

9 Jheka  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:43:43pm

Waiting for the inevitable Paul surge ...

/The surge looks like it's working

//It IS working!

10 kingronjo  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:43:48pm

umm, Ron Paul?

did I say it right?

11 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:43:54pm
12 Syrah  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:44:14pm

Sam Brownback is toast.

13 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:44:21pm

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14 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:44:23pm

re: #9 Jheka

Ron Paul is working.

15 CmdrGuard  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:44:26pm

Rudy! Rudy! RUDY!

16 CmdrGuard  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:44:48pm

Yeah, MandyManners, GO RUDY!

17 Jheka  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:44:50pm

Who will drop out before the next debate?

I predict that Brownback will be next.

18 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:45:29pm

RUDY.

19 ChenZhen  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:45:30pm

I voted for Huckabee. Class act.

20 audge  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:45:47pm

Is anyone watching H&C? Those people are all over Rudy. He did talk about his NY record, but, that is what he is running on. They dont like him and they loved McCain.

21 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:45:48pm

re: #13 MandyManners

You don't have an opinion, do you?

22 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:45:53pm

re: #17 Jheka

I predict Fred (if he ever decides to announce)

23 Jheka  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:45:57pm

In the next debate, Ron Paul will appear nude ... Let the elimination start locally ...

24 MattMacD  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:46:06pm

I decided to vote for Ron Paul.
Well, it seems like the trendy thing to do.

25 greenmiler  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:46:31pm

Ron Paul won't drop out..he stands out as the only weasel..he's got the weasel vote !

26 rw in san diego  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:46:34pm

Romney did not impress me. Ron Paul scares the hell out of me. I have some reservations, but I still like Rudy. McCain has lost his marbles. I find Tancredo a 'one issue' candidate. Huckabee and Brownback...yawn.

27 WrathofG-d  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:46:35pm

Ron Paul really isn't that bad. I don't know what y'all have so much against him.

Other than his dumb ass opinions on "neo-cons" and a bit of BDS, and that fact that he is wayyy too 9/10.

I think he would have been great.

/no i'm not cow-pooping.

28 Jheka  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:46:43pm

Paul/Tancredo '08!

/heh

29 Thanos  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:46:44pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

re: #17 Jheka

I predict Fred (if he ever decides to announce)

That pre-debate bobblehead commercial was somewhat annoying

30 The Shadow Do  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:46:47pm

Mandy, I too am a Giuliani supporter. But McCain got it right tonight. Could get interesting.

31 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:47:00pm

Rudy AND McCain.

Duncan Hunter was excellent in a seemingly limited appearance.

32 Intestinal Fortitude  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:47:24pm

Fred!

33 CLLRusso  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:47:25pm

re: #11 song_and_dance_man

Even though he didn't get many questions or opportunities to answer, and even though he will not likely win the (R) nod I gave my vote to Tancredo.


Me too. I just know Tancredo can't get elected, but he has great answer's for it all.

Rudy must have done something more than NYC?

34 Abu Bin Squid  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:47:36pm

I thought many did well. Rudy was good. McCain was scarce, not his fault. Huck was OK. Sam was strong, as was Duncan. I thought Mitt put his finger on Islamic jihad and that gave him the edge, IMHO.
And the moonbat was exposed - roN pauL.

35 Midwestprof  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:47:44pm

Tonight I liked Duncan Hunter and I voted for him. Nevertheless, I still like Rudy with Tancredo as the ticket.

36 ChenZhen  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:47:45pm

re: #17 Jheka

Who will drop out before the next debate?

I predict that Brownback will be next.

I know that would upset my pas at B4B. I really like that site, so I hope he doesn't.

37 Intestinal Fortitude  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:47:50pm

oops not yet!

38 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:47:52pm

re: #29 Thanos

Fred has serious problems. Bobblehead is the tip of the iceberg.

39 easy  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:48:17pm

Anyone but Ron Paul.

40 WrathofG-d  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:48:31pm

I like Rudy/Paul. (keep Paul away from our Foreign policy & all could be ok)

41 Thanos  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:48:42pm

re: #30 The Shadow Do

Mandy, I too am a Giuliani supporter. But McCain got it right tonight. Could get interesting.

McCain got some things right, I think he lost ground with the tax pledge answer, the torture question, and the amnesty grilling. He did have some strong answers on the war, and didn't go over the top like last debate.

42 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:48:47pm
43 ChenZhen  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:48:50pm

re: #36 ChenZhen

oops..."pals"

44 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:49:01pm

Here's a question for the mathematical Lizards ...

I was the first to vote -- I have to say I was surprised when I hit the button and saw "100%" for my choice -- then I saw the number of votes cast.

Now here's the question -- what effect do you think early votes have on the later ones, that is to say, if people look and see high percentages for one candidate (even if only a few votes have been cast) does that make it more or less likely that they too, if they are on the fence, will chose that candidate.

If more likely, then it would seem that the first one's to vote could have a significant influence on the outcome of the poll.

Thoughts?

45 justamomof4  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:49:11pm

Tancredo came on with a consistent message with a much stronger deliver y - well done.

I agree with the young woman at the NH diner . . .Rudy was repetitive, giving the same comparison to his performance as mayor of NYC to every single question. Nothing new . . .and not enough.

McCain simply appeared weary. It was nice, however to see a few candidates quote McCain in their answers and reflecting honorably on his service. McCain, however is done.

RP . . .good God . . .how the hell did he ever get on a Republican ticket?

46 justacanuck  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:49:12pm

L. Ron Paul: "We should not go to war when it's an aggressive war."

What an incredible tardtron.

47 ornery elephant  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:49:21pm

Yeah, what Mandy said!

48 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:49:24pm

Only one Ron Paul? Weak! I'd have to go with Rudy.

49 fri  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:49:26pm

Ok till Fred joins the party I'm voteing ron paul just for fun.

50 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:49:43pm

Rudy's common-sense approaches just make sense! He didn't have control over NYC's federal immigration policies when he entered office. He did the best he could to protect the residents of that city.

THAT WAS HIS CHIEF DUTY...TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTS.

Compare NYC today and NYC during the last year of Dinkins.

It ain't about race. It's about accountability.

51 OldLineTexan  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:49:57pm

re: #31 experiencedtraveller

Rudy AND McCain.

Duncan Hunter was excellent in a seemingly limited appearance.

I'm staying with Hunter. Let's see if he's still in it by Texas.

Rudy currently dissing (politely) R0n Paul and Fred Thompson. And being anti-gun. Rudy can forget it.

OldLineTexan

52 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:49:59pm

re: #36 ChenZhen

Rudy rules!

53 The Other Les  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:50:03pm

re: #46 justacanuck

L. Ron Paul: "We should not go to war when it's an aggressive war."

What an incredible tardtron.

Church of Moonbatology?

54 Jheka  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:50:08pm

re: #33 CLLRusso

re: #11 song_and_dance_man


Even though he didn't get many questions or opportunities to answer, and even though he will not likely win the (R) nod I gave my vote to Tancredo.

Me too. I just know Tancredo can't get elected, but he has great answer's for it all.

Rudy must have done something more than NYC?

More than NYC? First of all, he did. His work at the DOJ was amazing. Second of all, if you lived in NYC pre-Rudy, you'd understand the staggering magnitude of what he accomplished. I don't see anyone running (in either party) who has accomplished more.

55 mythicknight  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:50:26pm

At this point, Fred can kindly kiss my ***. I'm done waiting for him.

Go rudy!

56 The Other Les  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:50:38pm

re: #53 The Other Les

re: #46 justacanuck

L. Ron Paul: "We should not go to war when it's an aggressive war."

What an incredible tardtron.

Church of Moonbatology?

How about the Church of Retardology?

57 Thanos  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:50:40pm

re: #44 Lucius Septimius

Here's a question for the mathematical Lizards ...

I was the first to vote -- I have to say I was surprised when I hit the button and saw "100%" for my choice -- then I saw the number of votes cast.

Now here's the question -- what effect do you think early votes have on the later ones, that is to say, if people look and see high percentages for one candidate (even if only a few votes have been cast) does that make it more or less likely that they too, if they are on the fence, will chose that candidate.

If more likely, then it would seem that the first one's to vote could have a significant influence on the outcome of the poll.

Thoughts?

I think they do influence a small percentage, but in this poll I don't think you see results until after you've voted?

58 Sodra Djavul  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:50:42pm

TOM TANCREDO FOR PRESIDENT

/one can wish, I suppose...

59 judymac  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:50:42pm

On FNC, the group of people they had watching the debate said that McCain won the night, and Rudy was the big disappointment . . . um - what?

NOT what I thought. McCain came across well, but Guiliani was relaxed and confident - he sounds like a leader, whereas McCain just sounds like a strong politician.

Mitt was a bit of a empty suit, to me. Huckabee had moments, but is too forced. Ron Paul is comic relief. The rest were just background noise.

60 Carol Herman  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:50:53pm

DRUDGE has up a clip of McCain ... Where a kid asks him "what would happen if he got Alzheimer's while in office."

McCain calls the kid: "A little jerk." And, adds "you're drafted." Yup. The audience was laughing. So he stepped into it to milk his "joke."

I think the Internet is gonna wreak havoc on all those old fashioned campaigns.

61 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:50:56pm

Brownie wow'ed them in New Hampshire too

62 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:50:56pm

re: #53 The Other Les

re: #46 justacanuck

L. Ron Paul: "We should not go to war when it's an aggressive war."

What an incredible tardtron.

Church of Moonbatology?

I suppose he prefers passive/aggressive wars. We sit and mope a lot and hope the enemy will eventually bow to our demands.

63 greenmiler  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:50:57pm

re: #46 justacanuck

L. Ron Paul: "We should not go to war when it's an aggressive war."

What an incredible tardtron.


LOL . We shouldn't go to war unless we're bending over

64 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:51:06pm

I had to give it to Huckabee. Even though I doubt he means it, but his line about the Honor of the U.S. being more important than the Republican party put him over the top.

p.s.

Ron Paul.

65 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:51:09pm

re: #5 phoenixgirl

/what debate?

Right. Except on my part it is not sarcasm but more so due to not finding the link soon enough (no cable tv for me) and some sketchy streaming. I hope the whole thing shows up somewhere on the web. *hint hint*

66 CLLRusso  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:51:42pm

re: #13 MandyManners


OK mandy! What has Rudy done besides conquer NYC, and here he is on Fox talking about it yet again! What! Oh yeah, refusing the Prince's check was GREAT! That doesn't make you presidential.

67 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:51:44pm

re: #57 Thanos

You can't view and then go back and vote? (never tried to)

68 Sodra Djavul  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:51:55pm

re: #55 mythicknight

At this point, Fred can kindly kiss my ***. I'm done waiting for him.

Go rudy!

I agree. Fred could've been a contender, but he's too much behind at this point.

I wish Tancredo could win the nomination. But Rudy is strong as well.

69 chicagodudewhotrades  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:52:02pm

That compliment Huckabee gave to Mccain for his military service and his personal sacrifice was pure class. I just voted for Huckabee on the poll for that alone. Huckabee will show up in someone's cabinet. I'm sure about that

70 mean Gene  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:52:16pm

OK, I want to know how Charles is controlling (putting a FIX in) the Ron Paul vote.
There was a straw poll in Texas this week that he came in 3rd and his supporters just knew it had to be because there was a fix in.

71 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:52:36pm

I think Fred made a mistake waiting so long to get in to this. I think he's having a lot of staff problems - don't know how he'll form a campaign if he can't keep his staff together. He apparently isn't treating his folks very well, from what I've heard. Not a good sign.

72 Canadian Infidel  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:52:54pm

re: #46 justacanuck

L. Ron Paul: "We should not go to war when it's an aggressive war."

Pillow fight with Iran. I'll fight the uncovered hot chicks.

73 NavyVet  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:52:56pm

All of your Ron Paul is belong to us!

74 NortonPete  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:53:04pm

John Mc Cain was the only REAL DEAL on the platform. Everyone else was couching their answers. McCain did not, he answered the questions..
If I must go to sleep some night with a new president , I'll rest with John McCain. The others are just sound bites.

75 lowandslow  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:53:05pm

re: #44 Lucius Septimius

You don't know the results or prior votes till you vote.

76 The Shadow Do  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:53:21pm

re: #41 Thanos

re: #30 The Shadow Do

Mandy, I too am a Giuliani supporter. But McCain got it right tonight. Could get interesting.

McCain got some things right, I think he lost ground with the tax pledge answer, the torture question, and the amnesty grilling. He did have some strong answers on the war, and didn't go over the top like last debate.

I give him a pass on the torture so-called issue. I think he is thinking not backwards but forwards on this one and I'm not sure he is wrong in opposing such a public precedent. Frankly, the other things don't rock my boat much. We need, today, a leader who will not even hint at backing down from the enemy.

77 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:53:31pm

re: #75 lowandslow

Gotcha.

78 Midwestprof  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:53:33pm

re: #71 reine.de.tout

I think Fred made a mistake waiting so long to get in to this. I think he's having a lot of staff problems - don't know how he'll form a campaign if he can't keep his staff together. He apparently isn't treating his folks very well, from what I've heard. Not a good sign.

Fred who?

79 whattheheck  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:54:01pm

I'm pulling for Dunc.

80 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:54:03pm
81 Sodra Djavul  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:54:12pm

Mitt Romney's campaign guy seems sleazy.

82 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:54:13pm

re: #51 OldLineTexan

Rudy is the only one who can argue Hillary down. If it comes to that we must win the argument.

83 Thanos  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:54:13pm

re: #66 CLLRusso

re: #13 MandyManners


OK mandy! What has Rudy done besides conquer NYC, and here he is on Fox talking about it yet again! What! Oh yeah, refusing the Prince's check was GREAT! That doesn't make you presidential.


But it's still more than what the other candidates have done, what's your point?

84 ROPMA  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:54:15pm

re: #5 phoenixgirl

/what debate?

Gingrich/Bolton

If the gun grabber Giuliani is on the ticket I will stay home.

85 bikermailman  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:54:40pm

re: #13 MandyManners

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RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY.

Rudy/Huckabee anyone?

86 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:54:53pm

I smell General Maggot, or is that Beauchamp?

87 kingronjo  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:54:56pm

I am another Gothamite who lived under Dinkins and then Rudy (and Koch and Beame and Lindsay and Wagner and on the other end Bloomy)

Before Rudy the mantra was NYC was ungovernable, impossible. After Rudy other cities adopted his methods. Crime is down all over big cities in America, welfare has dropped, and he told Arafat and some rich Sheik who dissed America cuz he thought he could buy us to kiss his ass to name a few. Unless you lived it it's just words. But if you did, it was life changing.

Give Rudy his due.

88 judymac  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:55:30pm

What the hell is Carl Cameron at FNC doing? He's acting positively giddy, giggling and putting a camera in Romney's assistant's face as he interviewed him . . . obviously, they're short of oxygen in the Spin Room.

89 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:55:30pm

re: #85 bikermailman
SECOND!

90 Sodra Djavul  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:55:39pm

re: #82 experiencedtraveller

re: #51 OldLineTexan

Rudy is the only one who can argue Hillary down. If it comes to that we must win the argument.

I disagree. I think Tancredo can argue her down. I just don't think Tancredo can win the nomination.

91 rw in san diego  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:55:54pm

re: #87 kingronjo

Yeah!

92 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:56:07pm

Brownback in New Hampshire.

Actually, this happened to Eugene McCarthy the last time he tried to run for President in '88.

93 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:56:11pm

I wonder how much different the result in the Fox News straw poll and our straw poll is going to be. :-D

94 OldLineTexan  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:56:20pm

re: #82 experiencedtraveller

re: #51 OldLineTexan

Rudy is the only one who can argue Hillary down. If it comes to that we must win the argument.

Don't worry, I won't vote for Hillary. That doesn't mean that I like Rudy., who on gun control is just Clinton Lite.

Have his campaign notified. ;)

OldLineTexan

95 Sodra Djavul  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:56:24pm

re: #85 bikermailman

re: #13 MandyManners

Rudy/Huckabee anyone?

Rudy/Tancredo

96 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:56:26pm

re: #86 cbinflux

Yeah... I was gone for a few weeks. What ever happened to my buddy Beauchump?

97 Abu Bin Squid  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:56:44pm

Skelator is blaming Mitt for cities in MA for being sanct. cities. Colmes sucks!

98 SnakeSpit  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:56:47pm

re: #84 ROPMA
If the gun grabber Giuliani is on the ticket I will stay home.

Then you will be voting for the gun grabber Hillary.

99 rw in san diego  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:57:12pm

The cost of any wall can't compare to the cost of illegal immigration. Take a hike, Colmes, you're a real idiot.

100 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:57:50pm

re: #66 CLLRusso

What has Rudy done besides conquer NYC?


Trust me! Thats enough!

/noo yawka

101 rab3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:57:56pm

re: #5 phoenixgirl

/what debate?

Yes. What debate.

102 justacanuck  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:58:04pm

re: #96 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

re: #86 cbinflux

Yeah... I was gone for a few weeks. What ever happened to my buddy Beauchump?

Dunno. Don't care about Beauchump. What I want to see is Foer's head on a pike. Hurry it up CanWest -- can this incompetent idjit.

103 surfinbrant  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:58:04pm

I'm not even a Brownback supporter but his comments about honour tonight definitely captured my attention during his stand-off with Ron Paul.

My vote to him for his sense of honour.

104 Thanos  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:58:13pm

re: #76 The Shadow Do

re: #41 Thanos


re: #30 The Shadow Do

Mandy, I too am a Giuliani supporter. But McCain got it right tonight. Could get interesting.

McCain got some things right, I think he lost ground with the tax pledge answer, the torture question, and the amnesty grilling. He did have some strong answers on the war, and didn't go over the top like last debate.

I give him a pass on the torture so-called issue. I think he is thinking not backwards but forwards on this one and I'm not sure he is wrong in opposing such a public precedent. Frankly, the other things don't rock my boat much. We need, today, a leader who will not even hint at backing down from the enemy.

The only right answer to the hypothetical is to state that torture isn't an acceptable practice, but if the absolute need for it ever arose that you as president would make the decision, sign the order, and beg for forgiveness after.

105 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:58:14pm

re: #66 CLLRusso

re: #13 MandyManners


OK mandy! What has Rudy done besides conquer NYC, and here he is on Fox talking about it yet again! What! Oh yeah, refusing the Prince's check was GREAT! That doesn't make you presidential.

He is the only candidate who has been the chief executive officer of a large governmental body.

RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY.
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RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY.

106 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:58:25pm

re: #84 ROPMA

Republican of personal machismo assuaged?

107 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:58:25pm

re: #95 Sodra Djavul

Tancredo recognizes that we are at war against islam, but his views on iraq are flawed at best.

108 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:58:48pm
109 kovak ma  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:58:57pm

I AM IN URS POLL VOTING FOR PAUL RON.

110 Fearless Freep  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:59:00pm

If what Dick Morris says about Fred Thompson is true, then Thompson is unelectable.

111 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:59:11pm

re: #24 MattMacD

I decided to vote for Ron Paul.
Well, it seems like the trendy thing to do.

LOL! ! !

You know what? Being a closet nudist, I'd love to see a presidential debate done totally in the nude. Would definitely be interesting! :^D

112 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:59:19pm

re: #85 bikermailman

This ain't me.

113 Highrise  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:59:36pm

re: #110 Fearless Freep

If what Dick Morris says about Fred Thompson is true, then Thompson is unelectable.

I missed it, what did Morris say?

114 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:59:42pm

re: #108 song_and_dance_man

re: #101 rab3

re: #5 phoenixgirl

/what debate?

Yes. What debate.

Greg Brady v. Johnny Bravo!

Where the heck y'all been?

Is that sort of like Good Jan vs. Evil Jan
or
Jan with Glasses vs. Jan without Glasses?

115 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:59:45pm

Koskidz love Ron Paul...
UNH Debate Thread: Part III

Paul 44%

Ron Paul!

116 Thanos  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:59:47pm

re: #98 SnakeSpit

re: #84 ROPMA
If the gun grabber Giuliani is on the ticket I will stay home.

Then you will be voting for the gun grabber Hillary.

Absolutely right : A stay at home is a vote for Hillary, a stay at home is a vote for two more years of Harry Reid. A stay at home is a vote for two more years of Nancy Pelosi. Don't be pulling or even talking that shit this election.

117 rw in san diego  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 7:59:50pm

re: #110 Fearless Freep

What does he say?

118 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:00:04pm

re: #112 MandyManners

But, I appreciate you, anyway!

119 Sodra Djavul  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:00:11pm

re: #105 MandyManners

re: #66 CLLRusso


re: #13 MandyManners


OK mandy! What has Rudy done besides conquer NYC, and here he is on Fox talking about it yet again! What! Oh yeah, refusing the Prince's check was GREAT! That doesn't make you presidential.


He is the only candidate who has been the chief executive officer of a large governmental body.

RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY.
RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY.
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RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY.

What about Tom Tancredo? Pleeeze don't turn him into Ron Paul.

120 bikermailman  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:00:19pm

re: #72 Canadian Infidel

re: #46 justacanuck


L. Ron Paul: "We should not go to war when it's an aggressive war."

Pillow fight with Iran. I'll fight the uncovered hot chicks.

Of which the Persians have a lot...rooowwrrr

121 Thanos  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:00:27pm

re: #109 kovak ma

I AM IN URS POLL VOTING FOR PAUL RON.


/nomination for rotating title.

122 mjk  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:00:37pm

I don't understand why campaigning for President starts so early. It's ridiculous. It's a waste of time. I don't think Fred Thompson has jumped in too late. Why? Because it's September 2007! The election isn't until next year.

But then again, I've never understood politics or politicians. I don't really care who wins right now, as long as Hillary Clinton doesn't become president. She's the Forrest Gump of Presidential Candidates. Oh, she's amusing as heck, but as a leader, sub-sub-par. And just really a shrew.

123 rab3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:00:44pm

re: #104 Thanos

re: #76 The Shadow Do

re: #41 Thanos


re: #30 The Shadow Do


Mandy, I too am a Giuliani supporter. But McCain got it right tonight. Could get interesting.


McCain got some things right, I think he lost ground with the tax pledge answer, the torture question, and the amnesty grilling. He did have some strong answers on the war, and didn't go over the top like last debate.


I give him a pass on the torture so-called issue. I think he is thinking not backwards but forwards on this one and I'm not sure he is wrong in opposing such a public precedent. Frankly, the other things don't rock my boat much. We need, today, a leader who will not even hint at backing down from the enemy.

The only right answer to the hypothetical is to state that torture isn't an acceptable practice, but if the absolute need for it ever arose that you as president would make the decision, sign the order, and beg for forgiveness after.

What I don't understand is why McCain thinks the terrorists won't torture just because we don't. That is STUPID.

124 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:00:48pm

I was stunned to hear McCain declare that he wouldn't use torture on a terror suspect even if we were threatened with a nuclear bombing of one of our cities.

That's just batshit.

I also disagree with him on the illegal alien question. The question they're all pussy-footing around is the one of culture: how many indigestible/unassimilated/different-values folks can we take in, without having our own culture unravel? We're seeing the effects of this already, especially in the Southwest. That's what has Americans wrapped around the axle about this.

It's interesting to me that the same folks who are sooo solicitous of the "cultures" of others are so eager to ashcan our own.

And, I'd love to hear these two words in Someone's presidential debate: AMERICAN CITIZENS (rather that the weaselly "people") and VICTORY.

Giuliani has to take his NYC platform and use it as a launching pad rather than the whole track. Nevertheless, I'll back him.

125 CLLRusso  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:00:50pm

re: #54 Jheka

re: #33 CLLRusso


re: #11 song_and_dance_man

Even though he didn't get many questions or opportunities to answer, and even though he will not likely win the (R) nod I gave my vote to Tancredo.

Me too. I just know Tancredo can't get elected, but he has great answer's for it all.
Rudy must have done something more than NYC?

More than NYC? First of all, he did. His work at the DOJ was amazing. Second of all, if you lived in NYC pre-Rudy, you'd understand the staggering magnitude of what he accomplished. I don't see anyone running (in either party) who has accomplished more.

I left New England in 1994 when the subway in NYC was dangerous south of 34th. My daughter was a broker for Morgan Stanley on the 54th floor of the South Tower and left for graduate school in 2000. Thank God! She think Rudy is everything because the city was a joy to be in, and I still get a very strange feeling from him. I remember his mob prosecutions. The man is lacking a moral compass. There, that's what I don't like about him.

126 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:00:59pm

Here's that line again. I love it.

127 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:01:36pm

Oh, and someone should tell Ron Paul not to get his boxers in a bunch. He needs to calm down (and he needs a brain transplant as well).

128 Fearless Freep  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:01:45pm

re: #105 MandyManners

re: #66 CLLRusso

re: #13 MandyManners

He is the only candidate who has been the chief executive officer of a large governmental body.

Both Huckebee and Romney were state governors. right?

129 rab3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:01:56pm

re: #114 Lucius Septimius

re: #108 song_and_dance_man

re: #101 rab3

re: #5 phoenixgirl

/what debate?

Yes. What debate.

Greg Brady v. Johnny Bravo!

Where the heck y'all been?

Is that sort of like Good Jan vs. Evil Jan
or
Jan with Glasses vs. Jan without Glasses?

What channel was that on, and can you link to the video.

130 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:02:05pm

re: #128 Fearless Freep

Yup.

131 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:02:10pm

BTW, that is not a Pareto Chart at this point anyway.

Pareto chart requires this... 20% of the sources comprise 80% of the total. And thats not the case with this data set. hmmm.

132 hooligan  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:02:14pm

Okay, class.
Who do we wanna beat?
HILLARY!

Who can beat HILLARY?

RUDY!

McCain will make a great stumper for the ticket. As opposed to RP who is merely...a stump.

But the big issue---the REALLY big issue---is keeping Arafat's fangirly friend out of the Oval Office.

133 SnakeSpit  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:02:21pm

re: #116 Thanos
Absolutely right : A stay at home is a vote for Hillary, a stay at home is a vote for two more years of Harry Reid. A stay at home is a vote for two more years of Nancy Pelosi. Don't be pulling or even talking that shit this election.

Yeah. Too much of that happened in 2006. That's why we have a demonratic congress.

134 Racer X  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:02:49pm

Ron Paul came across as an absolute freaking moron tonight. Totally outclassed by the others on the stage.

IMO Charles should remove him from all future polls. The man is irrelevant. And embarrassing.

135 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:03:01pm

re: #122 mjk

They don't call her Shrillery for nothing.

136 Sodra Djavul  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:03:14pm

re: #107 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

re: #95 Sodra Djavul

Tancredo recognizes that we are at war against islam, but his views on iraq are flawed at best.

Strategies on how to handle a war cannot be judged in election cycles.

Three months ago, his strategy was right, based on the information at the time.

And tonight, he didn't advocate anything that's necessarily wrong. Four or five month-old statements do not acknowledge the reality that wars are won on the basis of individual battles which change the picture every single day.

I'm still in with Tancredo.

137 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:03:25pm

I'd vote for Guiliani/Tancredo because of the softening effect on Rudy's obvious bent toward social liberalism.

And I say that as being "somewhat" a social liberal myself. But not a DITW.

138 NeoKong  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:03:29pm

re: #13 MandyManners

I'm sorry.I wasn't paying attention.Who do you support?

139 abolitionist  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:03:30pm

re: #75 lowandslow

re: #44 Lucius Septimius

You don't know the results or prior votes till you vote.

Not so. I chose show votes before voting, then didn't vote, as I've not seen/heard the debate.

140 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:03:41pm

re: #92 Lucius Septimius

Brownback in New Hampshire.

Turn out the lights
The party's over
They say that
All good things must end
Call it a night
The party's over

141 OldLineTexan  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:03:42pm

re: #122 mjk

I don't understand why campaigning for President starts so early. It's ridiculous. It's a waste of time. I don't think Fred Thompson has jumped in too late. Why? Because it's September 2007! The election isn't until next year.

But then again, I've never understood politics or politicians. I don't really care who wins right now, as long as Hillary Clinton doesn't become president. She's the Forrest Gump of Presidential Candidates. Oh, she's amusing as heck, but as a leader, sub-sub-par. And just really a shrew.

Forrest was just a retelling of Parsival, the Holy Fool tale.

Forrest Gump had:
a clear moral code
a decent and kind personality
an amazing military record
a succesful business
friends
honesty
truthfulness
true concern for his family

In just what way is Hillary a Forrest Gump?

OldLineTexan

142 justadot  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:03:47pm

re: #103 surfinbrant

Uh, that was Huckabee, not Brownback.

143 rw in san diego  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:03:51pm

McCain maintaining that he opposed tax cuts because he wanted to reign in spending is a bullshit answer.

144 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:03:51pm
145 justacanuck  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:04:03pm

Kudos to Foxnews for the good job on the live streaming. A nice steady vid stream up here, or at least from what I saw - as I was late to tune in.

146 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:04:05pm

No one has addressed Rudy's stance on immigration yet. That's why he wont get my support.

147 NortonPete  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:04:25pm

Mc Cain presented the only presidential responses.
Mitt Rommey looked bad ( real bad stinko ) as did Giuliani ( who I liked as a native NYC )
I'm going with McCain

148 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:04:32pm

re: #134 Racer X

What is for sure after tonite is that Ron Paul is most certainly a Bircher.

149 NeoKong  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:04:57pm

re: #134 Racer X

Ron Paul came across as an absolute freaking moron tonight. Totally outclassed by the others on the stage.

IMO Charles should remove him from all future polls. The man is irrelevant. And embarrassing.

He was pretty bad.
He should be a Democrat.

150 Jheka  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:05:04pm

re: #98 SnakeSpit

re: #84 ROPMA
If the gun grabber Giuliani is on the ticket I will stay home.

Then you will be voting for the gun grabber Hillary.

So stay home.

I mean, if you're going to be disingenuous and call Rudy a "gun grabber" (when that is clearly not his position) then I have no reason to believe that you're not just a moby who (a) can't vote or (b) would be voting for a Democrat anyway.

Hey, Richardson supports you. So does Paul, btw. Which of the two do you prefer?

151 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:05:21pm

re: #146 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

He had a very nice answer on that early in the debate tonight.

152 Sodra Djavul  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:05:35pm

re: #116 Thanos

re: #98 SnakeSpit


re: #84 ROPMA
If the gun grabber Giuliani is on the ticket I will stay home.

Then you will be voting for the gun grabber Hillary.


Absolutely right : A stay at home is a vote for Hillary, a stay at home is a vote for two more years of Harry Reid. A stay at home is a vote for two more years of Nancy Pelosi. Don't be pulling or even talking that shit this election.

No self-respecting Lizard should ever stay home on election day and consider themselves a Lizard. Ever.

Even if the election is lost, it does not matter. Even if you're voting for a bad vs. worse, it does not matter. Otherwise, you will be to blame just as much as those who voted in worse.

153 madmama  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:05:36pm

For those of you who are going to 'stay at home' if YOUR choice doesn't get the nomination, then THANK YOU VERY MUCH, A_ _HOLE, FOR HELPING HILLARY GET ELECTED! You have NO right from then on to say ANYTHING about ANYTHING!

ANY of the Republicans (with the exception of that wackjob, Ron Paul) would be better than Hillary! That's a fact.

I will personally vote for Rudy...but whoever gets the nomination, gets my vote!

154 SnakeSpit  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:05:37pm

Rudy, at his worst, would far outshine Hillary at her best.

155 WimbledonWomble  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:05:46pm

Looking at the poll results, Rudy wins the debate hands down. Is this because a preponderance of lizardoids are "reformed" liberals who woke up at 9/11 and saw Rudy's greatness? Or does it reflect a real chance Rudy has amongst Republicans in general to gain the candidacy? Lizardoids seem a mix of people, with a large proportion of committed hawkish Repubs, certainly, but also a large number of people who became more conservative post-9/11. Of course, underlying all, a lot of lizardoids would put the threat of Islamism and Jihad as the number one issue facing the West. This draws people from all different walks of life in, with all different worldviews, some more traditionally Republican and some less so. I hope Rudy wins the Repub nomination, and if lizardoids alone were voting it clearly seems he would, but will he win the candidacy among Republicans at large? I sure hope so! Honestly, I think he could win, if he wins the Repub nomination, because he would draw a lot of Dems away from Hillary.

156 lowandslow  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:06:00pm

re: #139 abolitionist

I think you're right.

157 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:06:06pm

I also wish the candidates would say clearly that the American citizens have the right to decide who's going to live with us in OUR country, and it trumps any "right" [nonexistent] of any foreigner to come here.

And it's not true that all illegal aliens come here "to be Americans." Most come to make more money than they can at home. Witness their Old Country parades, etc. They aren't like our earlier immigrants, who really did want to be American citizens, and were welcome.

158 Fearless Freep  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:06:18pm

re: #113 Highrise

re: #110 Fearless Freep

If what Dick Morris says about Fred Thompson is true, then Thompson is unelectable.

I missed it, what did Morris say?

It goes back to Fred lobbying days.. Morris worked in his Tenn Senatorial campaign is familiar with those issues ... I will see if I can find an article and post a link.

159 bikermailman  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:06:25pm

re: #112 MandyManners

re: #85 bikermailman

This ain't me.

That's because you're a yankee...consider the pull in the south, with the evangelicals you'd have with Huckabee on the ticket. Who would also calm fears about gun issues with Rudy. I've been leaning toward Rudy all along, mostly due to the Long War issue. Also, he can beat Shrillary. But there are people, even here on this thread, who would stay at home with a Rudy/? ticket. I know the argument against it, don't have to preach at the choir here.

160 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:06:45pm

What the hell is a "Presidential response"? Good grief, a president is someone who we trust be be our supreme governmental leader, not a sound bite.

161 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:06:46pm
162 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:06:52pm

re: #154 SnakeSpit

Rudy, at his worst, would far outshine Hillary at her best.

It may just come down to that.

163 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:06:56pm

Ron Paul gains every time I refresh.
/Ron Paul!

164 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:07:11pm

The best part of the debate was Huckabee smacking down Paul about honor. That struck a chord with me. I like that guy.

165 ChenZhen  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:07:15pm

I was just happy to see a glimmer of an actual debate in there. As soon as that exchange between Paul and Huckabee shows up on youtube (and I'm sure it will), I'm putting it up on my blog. Kudos to Fox and the GOP candidates for giving us the best debate thus far.

166 Jheka  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:07:20pm

re: #144 song_and_dance_man

re: #132 hooligan


Okay, class.
Who do we wanna beat?
HILLARY!

Who can beat HILLARY?

RUDY!

McCain will make a great stumper for the ticket. As opposed to RP who is merely...a stump.

But the big issue---the REALLY big issue---is keeping Arafat's fangirly friend out of the Oval Office.


Hillary is unelectable by an honest vote. The lefties will have dead people, cats and dogs, and persons vote more than once in order to get her elected.

Hillary is absolutely electable. She would beat Romney like a rented mule and would probably make a McCain run remind everyone of Clinton v. Dole.

167 beachkatie  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:07:33pm

THIS COULD BE THE MOST IMPORTANT VOTE US U.S CITIZENS CAN MAKE!

168 bikermailman  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:07:34pm

re: #121 Thanos

re: #109 kovak ma


I AM IN URS POLL VOTING FOR PAUL RON.

/nomination for rotating title.

second!

169 DistantThunder  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:07:40pm

Some big thing hasn't happened yet, but will affect the outcome of the election.

170 justacanuck  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:07:42pm

re: #149 NeoKong

>He was pretty bad.
He should be a Democrat.

The Dems wouldn't take him as he's too far out to lunch. Besides, they've already got their kook quota filled with Kucinich.

171 TexasYeehadist  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:07:46pm

Just took a brief troll into the weirdiness on DailyKKKos.

"Who do you think, from the point of view of a Republican primary voter, won that debate?"

You know (ron) who is leading (paul) with 47 percent of the vote.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

172 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:08:08pm

re: #165 ChenZhenJINX!

173 UnderZog  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:08:19pm

I didn't see the debate, but I know Ron Paul won because he wants to stick it to the Zionist entity /sarc

Congressman Paul would probably show the virtues of free enterprise by selling zyklon b to the Hamburg Pesticide co. /more sarcasm off

"There's no need to fear. Underzog is here!"

174 SnakeSpit  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:08:21pm

re: #150 Jheka
Go back and read the two posts.

175 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:08:23pm

re: #171 TexasYeehadist

Ron Paul!

176 OldLineTexan  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:08:25pm

re: #152 Sodra Djavul

re: #116 Thanos


re: #98 SnakeSpit

re: #84 ROPMA
If the gun grabber Giuliani is on the ticket I will stay home.
Then you will be voting for the gun grabber Hillary.

Absolutely right : A stay at home is a vote for Hillary, a stay at home is a vote for two more years of Harry Reid. A stay at home is a vote for two more years of Nancy Pelosi. Don't be pulling or even talking that shit this election.

No self-respecting Lizard should ever stay home on election day and consider themselves a Lizard. Ever.

Even if the election is lost, it does not matter. Even if you're voting for a bad vs. worse, it does not matter. Otherwise, you will be to blame just as much as those who voted in worse.

Eerily enough, the South Park episode tonight was featured an election between Giant Douche and Turd Sandwich.

OldLineTexan

177 WimbledonWomble  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:08:41pm

re: #154 SnakeSpit

Rudy, at his worst, would far outshine Hillary at her best.

AMEN!

178 ROPMA  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:08:44pm

re: #13 MandyManners

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RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY.
RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY.

Why not run Bob Dole again?

179 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:08:58pm

re: #66 CLLRusso

re: #13 MandyManners


OK mandy! What has Rudy done besides conquer NYC, and here he is on Fox talking about it yet again! What! Oh yeah, refusing the Prince's check was GREAT! That doesn't make you presidential.

Rudy's history makes him presidential.

Why don't you read Fred Siegel's book about the REBIRTH OF NEW YORK?

The Prince of the City: Giuliani, New York and the Genius of American Life.

180 rab3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:09:01pm

Does anyone think Hillary is more manly Ron Paul?

181 opinionated  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:09:10pm

re: #20 audge

Is anyone watching H&C? Those people are all over Rudy. He did talk about his NY record, but, that is what he is running on. They dont like him and they loved McCain.

We long for a competent President with the proof of a record of huge achievements in prologue to the Presidency. But we are not used to that happening.

Instead we are used to, and demand, frequently insincere promises from candidates.

When Giuliani proves by a recitation of his huge accomplishments that he is the man for the job, some voters get bored.

Promises and wishes are so much more appealing.

It may be why we deserve the lousy Presidents we get.

182 Abu Bin Squid  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:09:12pm

from #152 Sodra Djavul
No self-respecting Lizard should ever stay home on election day and consider themselves a Lizard. Ever.

Well said! It is an honor/duty to vote. To stay home is dishonorable, IMHO.

183 RTLM  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:09:29pm

No one here stays home on election day.

Unless you're willing to let the United States change into something very different from what it is now.

184 Jheka  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:09:49pm
The man is lacking a moral compass. There, that's what I don't like about him.

So was Churchill.

/Chamberlain '08!

185 Catttt  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:10:20pm

re: #111 NomadOfNorad

re: #24 MattMacD


I decided to vote for Ron Paul.
Well, it seems like the trendy thing to do.

LOL! ! !

You know what? Being a closet nudist, I'd love to see a presidential debate done totally in the nude. Would definitely be interesting! :^D

As far as I'm concerned, anything (just about) done in the nude is interesting.

186 ROPMA  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:10:35pm

re: #167 beachkatie

THIS COULD BE THE MOST IMPORTANT VOTE US U.S CITIZENS CAN MAKE!

We hear this every election cycle.

187 Capitalistincharge  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:10:43pm

re: #84 ROPMA

And just give the Presidency to Hillary?! Nice strategy...My guy didn't get in so I'm taking my toys and going home. Geesh.

188 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:10:44pm

re: #178 ROPMA

re: #178 ROPMA

I don't get your question.

189 Thanos  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:10:50pm

re: #155 WimbledonWomble

Looking at the poll results, Rudy wins the debate hands down. Is this because a preponderance of lizardoids are "reformed" liberals who woke up at 9/11 and saw Rudy's greatness? Or does it reflect a real chance Rudy has amongst Republicans in general to gain the candidacy? Lizardoids seem a mix of people, with a large proportion of committed hawkish Repubs, certainly, but also a large number of people who became more conservative post-9/11. Of course, underlying all, a lot of lizardoids would put the threat of Islamism and Jihad as the number one issue facing the West. This draws people from all different walks of life in, with all different worldviews, some more traditionally Republican and some less so. I hope Rudy wins the Repub nomination, and if lizardoids alone were voting it clearly seems he would, but will he win the candidacy among Republicans at large? I sure hope so! Honestly, I think he could win, if he wins the Repub nomination, because he would draw a lot of Dems away from Hillary.

I've voted Republican in every election but one, starting with Nixon. The one non-republican vote was for the Libertarian in the election where Ronald Reagan was a forgone conclusion. I regret that to this very day -- I was sending a message that we needed fewer taxes in the stupid logic of my youth. Even though I knew he would absolutely win, I still regret to this day that I am not able to say that I voted twice for Ronald Reagan.

190 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:10:50pm

Charles can you add an automatic Carriage Return in the reply algoreithm? I've done what I did in 172 about 100 times.

191 Galactacus  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:11:06pm

Ron Paul is a Jittery Merkat.

192 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:11:10pm

Why won't CZ's peeps debate on FOX?

193 wee fury  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:11:19pm

re: #186 ROPMA

re: #167 beachkatie

THIS COULD BE THE MOST IMPORTANT VOTE US U.S CITIZENS CAN MAKE!
We hear this every election cycle.

Because it is true.

194 rab3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:11:37pm

re: #185 Cattt

re: #111 NomadOfNorad

re: #24 MattMacD


I decided to vote for Ron Paul.
Well, it seems like the trendy thing to do.


LOL! ! !You know what? Being a closet nudist, I'd love to see a presidential debate done totally in the nude. Would definitely be interesting! :^D

As far as I'm concerned, anything (just about) done in the nude is interesting.

YYYUUUKKK. Man Boobs.

195 stuck-in-ca  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:11:43pm

Duncan Hunter won as far as I'm concerned. I will vote either for him or Tancredo, no matter who gets the nomination. They are the only two who will fight against open borders, the North American Union and illegal immigration. To me that IS the most important issue. How can we have national security with open borders? I assure you all the other candidates are open border candidates no matter how they try to tapdance around the issue without really answering questions clearly.

196 ornery elephant  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:11:44pm

re: #155 WimbledonWomble

I can only speak for myself but the following do not cause me a loss of sleep at night:

illegal immigration
gun control (and yes, i own two)
abortion
social security
higher taxes
bigger government

What does cause me to lose sleep at night:

The Siege Upon The Western World by Islamofascism

And because I want to sleep soundly, I am for Rudy Giuliani. He is the only candidate from DAY ONE that has had the balls to call a terrorist a terrorist.

And I would add...that if you took a poll of Al Qaeda tonight, the LAST man they want leading the United States is Rudy Giuliani.

197 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:11:46pm

Guess what, Ron Paul is coming out way ahead on FN's poll, followed by Rudy, then Huckabee...

We can disregard the results for Ron Paul there, and declare Rudy the real winner of it. :-D

198 Da_Beerfreak  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:11:47pm

While folks around here bitch and moan about Rudy's stand on the Second Amendment, I don't here much on McCain's attack on the First Amendment, aka McCain-Feingold Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act.

199 Jheka  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:11:49pm

re: #178 ROPMA

re: #13 MandyManners

[SNIP]

Why not run Bob Dole again?

Because McCain (Dole circa 2007) shot himself in the foot one too many times.

200 bikermailman  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:11:54pm

re: #127 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

Oh, and someone should tell Ron Paul not to get his boxers in a bunch. He needs to calm down (and he needs a brain transplant as well).

His brain is gone!

201 TexasYeehadist  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:11:58pm

Fox News Poll shows RON PAUL leading with 35% of the votes.

202 chicagodudewhotrades  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:12:02pm

the idiots are sending text messages to FNC from their basements again. Ron paul is winning the FNC poll

203 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:12:04pm

re: #192 cbinflux

Because youtube debates ask better questions.
/Ron Paul

204 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:12:33pm

re: #180 rab3

Does anyone think Hillary is more manly Ron Paul?

Bill.

205 USBeast  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:12:55pm

Gosh, did I miss yet another pointless debate?

Our election process has become an incredibly bad joke. It's enough to make one long for the days of smoke-filled rooms, hard-nosed realists and "the Public be damned."

The whole debate format is screwed. Lets have a series of one on one debates, elimination bouts with names drawn from a hat: Huckabee Vs. Tancredo, Paul Vs. Romney or whatever.

I want to hear statements logically argued, rebutted and defended, not a bunch of sound-bites. The current debate format does not allow for serious discussion.

Lincoln and Douglas must be spinning in their graves.

206 The Other Les  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:13:03pm

re: #184 Jheka

The man is lacking a moral compass. There, that's what I don't like about him.

So was Churchill.


But Churchill was sober in the morning.

207 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:13:04pm

The Dirty Dozen and U.S. Open Tennis 2007! Oh, who won? Who cares...unless Rudy drops the big one, the match is already set.

Rudy vs. Rotten in 2008. I'm just curious who Rudy picks as the Veep.

208 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:13:12pm

The dems are spamming the GOP polls. Heck I'd be doing it to them if Mr Peanut aka Ron Paul was a Democrat.

209 Racer X  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:13:16pm

I am just astonished how anyone would seriously support RP.

It was so bad you could plainly hear the other candidates laughing at him every time he spoke!

210 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:13:37pm

re: #188 MandyManners

re: #178 ROPMA

re: #178 ROPMA

I don't get your question.

Never mind.

I don't want to get it.

211 ErkWit  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:13:37pm

Does anybody else think the ultimate Republican ticket would be Fred/Rudy? Fred is the heart and Rudy is the brains. They both have good appeal to swing voters as well. Fred for his positive exposure on Law & Order and Rudy for his courage on 9/11. Rudy might also get some liberal votes in big cities for his successful improvements to NYC. What Rudy lacks, Fred has, and vise versa.

I was having a hard time deciding between the two but then I realized I might not have to. Does anybody know whether this is a realistic possibility, or is it just a pipe dream?

212 mamashawna  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:13:42pm

I texted to Fox and voted for Rudy! you go Mandy!

213 Catttt  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:13:47pm

re: #194 rab3

re: #185 Cattt


re: #111 NomadOfNorad

re: #24 MattMacD

I decided to vote for Ron Paul.
Well, it seems like the trendy thing to do.

LOL! ! !You know what? Being a closet nudist, I'd love to see a presidential debate done totally in the nude. Would definitely be interesting! :^D

As far as I'm concerned, anything (just about) done in the nude is interesting.

YYYUUUKKK. Man Boobs.

But interesting man boobs. And other man parts. :) It could put a whole new spin on "the best man."

214 bill amos  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:13:50pm

Looks like the paulites are already stealing this vote. Hes in 2nd place

215 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:13:52pm

If dems and truthers want to fatten Fox's accounts by texting for a fee to say that ru paul won the debate, more power to them.

We aren't close to that stupid.

216 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:14:09pm
217 Abu Bin Squid  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:14:20pm

General Chen is putting the clash between Rue Paul and Huckabee on his blog. Make sure to visit it.
I believe the link is: *GAZE*.com (I could be wrong)
Enjoy Chen's spin. He said he likes Huck, but we all know he's a Paulistianian.

218 RTLM  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:14:24pm

re: #192 cbinflux

Why won't CZ's peeps debate on FOX?

A distinct absence of softball, touchy feely "questions".

MSM is much safer - Leftys glad handing Leftys.

219 hooligan  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:14:27pm

Hillary can win. She's counting on Bloomberg to help her pick up the NY electoral votes. She's ruthless and she will have the oh so charming Bill campaigning for her. All is forgiven, he raised money for Katrina, blah blah blah blah.

I want a shark taking her on. I want Rudy.

220 rab3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:14:29pm

re: #200 bikermailman

re: #127 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

Oh, and someone should tell Ron Paul not to get his boxers in a bunch. He needs to calm down (and he needs a brain transplant as well).

His brain is gone!

Oh you had to make a Star Trek reference. Here you go.

221 Jheka  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:14:53pm

re: #195 stuck-in-ca

Duncan Hunter won as far as I'm concerned. I will vote either for him or Tancredo, no matter who gets the nomination. They are the only two who will fight against open borders, the North American Union and illegal immigration. To me that IS the most important issue. How can we have national security with open borders? I assure you all the other candidates are open border candidates no matter how they try to tapdance around the issue without really answering questions clearly.


Let me understand you. You're going to write one of them in in the GE no matter who the Republican nominee is? Is that right?

222 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:14:55pm

re: #136 Sodra Djavul

Pull back from iraq to other strategic positions in the middle east?

What strategic positions? Kuwait? The magic kingdom of Saud?

No. The reason we couldn't win against the jihadists before iraq was that they wear no uniform. They have no national allegiance. You can't tell the difference between a jihadi and a civilian. The U.S. is the most prolific war-fighters the West has ever produced. And you can't fight a Western style war against an enemy like that. But with iraq being opened up the way it has, we now have an established battle ground. The enemy is coming from all over the world to fight us there. And we are averaging 1,200 enemy KIA's a month. That's right. 1,200. The only good jihadist is a dead jihadist. And iraq is the has become the autobahn for those virgin-seekers.

223 Sodra Djavul  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:15:07pm

re: #157 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

I also wish the candidates would say clearly that the American citizens have the right to decide who's going to live with us in OUR country, and it trumps any "right" [nonexistent] of any foreigner to come here.

And it's not true that all illegal aliens come here "to be Americans." Most come to make more money than they can at home. Witness their Old Country parades, etc. They aren't like our earlier immigrants, who really did want to be American citizens, and were welcome.

It goes deeper than that. Earlier immigrants, such as the Irish, who really did want to become welcomed as Americans, underwent conditions that were far worse than African slaves at that point. It was actually considered a more cost effective option at one point to hire a free Irish immigrant than a black slave as it cost less to work the Irishman to death.

Both groups paid their way past the natural immune system of a society. Of course that's an extreme example, but to say that anyone off the boat or crosses the border and pays taxes for 3 years can bypass the natural societal acceptance factor is precipitating a domestic violent adjustment. Rightly or wrongly, it's merely a function of the immune system itself.

224 beachkatie  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:15:08pm

Who do you wan't to fight the islamist ?

225 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:15:12pm

Meanwhile, Associated (with terrorists) Press is spinning the debate to present Ron Paul as a "lone messenger with a warning". No surprises here.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

226 Catttt  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:15:23pm

Ron Paul has an annoying sissy voice, and he's whiny. I kept wanting to slap him.

227 howco  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:15:29pm

I actually think people vote for Ron Paul in polls as a joke.

228 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:15:49pm

re: #151 Killgore Trout

I must have missed it. Can you provide the readers digest version?

229 The Other Les  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:15:55pm

re: #220 rab3

re: #200 bikermailman

re: #127 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

Oh, and someone should tell Ron Paul not to get his boxers in a bunch. He needs to calm down (and he needs a brain transplant as well).

His brain is gone!

Oh you had to make a Star Trek reference. Here you go.

Brain, brain! What is brain?

230 lobo91  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:16:14pm

re: #198 Da_Beerfreak

While folks around here bitch and moan about Rudy's stand on the Second Amendment, I don't here much on McCain's attack on the First Amendment, aka McCain-Feingold Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act.

One of a number of reasons I won't vote for McCain, either (at least in the primary).

231 ROPMA  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:16:16pm

re: #188 MandyManners

re: #178 ROPMA

re: #178 ROPMA

I don't get your question.

I don't think Guiliani is strong enough to win. We need a true conservative. Guiliani isn't one.

232 justacanuck  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:16:29pm

re: #209 Racer X

I am just astonished how anyone would seriously support RP.

It was so bad you could plainly hear the other candidates laughing at him every time he spoke!

Yeah, I heard that too. Who was laughing at him - do we know?

233 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:17:06pm

RTLM
Goodbye_natalie tells me that CZ will play Beauchamp in the movie. He's a natural; I wish him well.

234 bikermailman  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:17:28pm

re: #183 RTLM

No one here stays home on election day.

Unless you're willing to let the United States change into something very different from what it is now.

I think we owe it to our Country, our Children, and Ourselves, to do more than just show up on election day. That means $$, time involvement, and yes, proselytizing as well.

235 Galactacus  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:17:31pm

re: #211 ErkWit

Does anybody else think the ultimate Republican ticket would be Fred/Rudy? Fred is the heart and Rudy is the brains. They both have good appeal to swing voters as well. Fred for his positive exposure on Law & Order and Rudy for his courage on 9/11. Rudy might also get some liberal votes in big cities for his successful improvements to NYC. What Rudy lacks, Fred has, and vise versa.

I was having a hard time deciding between the two but then I realized I might not have to. Does anybody know whether this is a realistic possibility, or is it just a pipe dream?

Let me be the first t say to you that...THAT is the question...
Between Fred and Rudy...simply Amazing that the GOP could have a third placer like Mitt...MANOMAN this is gonna be a race...

236 new2thezoo  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:17:35pm

new2thezoo is lateouttathegate again...
I can find good and bad for each candidate, except the most excellent boob Ron Paul. I could vote for anyone of them EXCEPT that idiot. My choice is Hunter but they pretty much left him out of the debate and gave him minimal coverage. Too bad.
Analysis... I will vote for anyone of them when they run against the Hildebeast.

237 Catttt  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:17:44pm

re: #229 The Other Les

re: #220 rab3


re: #200 bikermailman

re: #127 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

Oh, and someone should tell Ron Paul not to get his boxers in a bunch. He needs to calm down (and he needs a brain transplant as well).

His brain is gone!

Oh you had to make a Star Trek reference. Here you go.

Brain, brain! What is brain?

Brain and brain! What is brain! I can hear her voice as clear as a bell. Trekkie forever.

238 bikermailman  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:18:07pm

re: #185 Cattt

re: #111 NomadOfNorad


re: #24 MattMacD

I decided to vote for Ron Paul.
Well, it seems like the trendy thing to do.

LOL! ! !
You know what? Being a closet nudist, I'd love to see a presidential debate done totally in the nude. Would definitely be interesting! :^D

As far as I'm concerned, anything (just about) done in the nude is interesting.

Rooowwwrrr...

239 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:18:18pm

re: #224 beachkatie

Who do you wan't to fight the islamist ?

Sand wedgie..?

240 madmom  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:18:26pm

Rudy is not even a conservative. Why are there so many of you that support him. I heard him say he would send money and arms to Fat ah the other day. We don't nee another idiot in the white house that is going to repeat "Islam is a religion of Peace".

241 wee fury  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:18:39pm

re: #231 ROPMA

But, what about Independent voters? Independents make up a large portion of the possible votes out there.

242 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:18:42pm

New York is a massive city with immense importance to the American and global economy. The Metropolitan Region is of critical importance to a prosperous American and global future.

Rudy's accomplishment was huge.

/Sure he got a little lucky. Luck sticks.

243 Thanos  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:18:44pm

re: #176 OldLineTexan

I understand where you are coming from friend, but come the big election some of us might have to suck it up and eat the shit sandwich we didn't order. This election's too critical -- we cannot hand over two branches of the government to the Democrats in time of war. You know what would happen.

Not only would the dems own the legislative and the executive -- what sort of judges would they be ramming into seats for at least four years?

244 Sodra Djavul  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:18:59pm

re: #186 ROPMA

re: #167 beachkatie


THIS COULD BE THE MOST IMPORTANT VOTE US U.S CITIZENS CAN MAKE!

We hear this every election cycle.

Because every election cycle we're faced with Vietnam-era peace activists who lost the war and allowed Communism to survive.

Because every election cycle we're told to trust the "older, wiser, European Union" who has disenfranchised their own citizenry to the point that Belgians are prepared to dissolve the very Constitution on which their country was founded.

But most importantly, because we face an enemy that was never defeated since the 7th century. They turn those who stood against Muslim aggression such as Vlad the Impaler into monsters, they rewrite the Crusades as an agression against innocent Muslims ignoring the fact that Muslims invaded Christian nations first, and then claim we are evil.

It is the AIDS virus of self-hating political correctness that will kill this country.

245 howco  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:19:20pm

What is the scariest fruit?

A: Apple
B: banna
C: Orange
D: All of the above
E: RON PAUL!

246 rab3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:19:41pm

re: #213 Cattt

re: #194 rab3

re: #185 Cattt


re: #111 NomadOfNorad


re: #24 MattMacD

I decided to vote for Ron Paul.
Well, it seems like the trendy thing to do.


LOL! ! !You know what? Being a closet nudist, I'd love to see a presidential debate done totally in the nude. Would definitely be interesting! :^D


As far as I'm concerned, anything (just about) done in the nude is interesting.


YYYUUUKKK. Man Boobs.

But interesting man boobs. And other man parts. :) It could put a whole new spin on "the best man."

Some of those guys are pretty old. What you would see is balls on the floor. Birthdays and gravity get the best of all of us.

247 Ayazheniangel  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:19:47pm

I like McCain, even if I don't agree with TWO of his his views he is so far on the ball with the war on terror. He has been there and done that. I would trust him to do what is good for our country.
Just remember: No one man can be all things to all people.
But I will VOTE republican over any democrat.

Even if it is the lesser of two evils..I will vote.

Though I would vote for Mrs Clinton OVER Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is unstable, and deluded.

248 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:19:54pm

re: #209 Racer XOh they are out there. I know people with his bumper sticker already. Bush hating Democrat hating closet Republicans.

249 RTLM  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:20:10pm

To Madmom and ROPMA -

Consider the alternative.

250 Catttt  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:20:17pm

re: #245 howco

What is the scariest fruit?

A: Apple
B: banna
C: Orange
D: All of the above
E: RON PAUL!

Banna!

251 Racer X  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:20:20pm

re: #231 ROPMA

re: #188 MandyManners

re: #178 ROPMA

re: #178 ROPMA

I don't get your question.

I don't think Guiliani is strong enough to win. We need a true conservative. Guiliani isn't one.

I disagree.

We need a conservative who will win in 2008.

Whoever that is.

252 beachkatie  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:20:31pm

re: #239 cbinflux

No, just Scared!

253 CLLRusso  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:20:37pm

Gotto go. It's 11:20 pm at my house. Nighty night!

254 Ron Paul  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:20:50pm

I am such a puss! Seriously, You guys, RP has the conservative moonbat vote locked in!

255 DesertSage  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:20:53pm

re: #240 madmom

We don't nee another idiot in the white house that is going to repeat "Islam is a religion of Peace".

So I guess you'll settle for Hillary?

256 Abu Bin Squid  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:20:53pm

re: #239 cbinflux

re: #224 beachkatie


Who do you wan't to fight the islamist ?

Sand wedgie..?

Be specific, please. I have both 56 and 60 degree sand wedgies.

257 Catttt  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:21:07pm

re: #246 rab3

re: #213 Cattt


re: #194 rab3

re: #185 Cattt

re: #111 NomadOfNorad

re: #24 MattMacD

I decided to vote for Ron Paul.
Well, it seems like the trendy thing to do.

LOL! ! !You know what? Being a closet nudist, I'd love to see a presidential debate done totally in the nude. Would definitely be interesting! :^D

As far as I'm concerned, anything (just about) done in the nude is interesting.

YYYUUUKKK. Man Boobs.

But interesting man boobs. And other man parts. :) It could put a whole new spin on "the best man."

Some of those guys are pretty old. What you would see is balls on the floor. Birthdays and gravity get the best of all of us.

You never know. I've seen some old guys who... but never mind.

258 Promethea  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:21:17pm

re: #87 kingronjo

I am another Gothamite who lived under Dinkins and then Rudy (and Koch and Beame and Lindsay and Wagner and on the other end Bloomy)

Before Rudy the mantra was NYC was ungovernable, impossible. After Rudy other cities adopted his methods. Crime is down all over big cities in America, welfare has dropped, and he told Arafat and some rich Sheik who dissed America cuz he thought he could buy us to kiss his ass to name a few. Unless you lived it it's just words. But if you did, it was life changing.

Give Rudy his due.

I agree with you. NYC is an enormous city, with a larger population than Norway or Denmark. We tend to think of "cities" as less consequential than states or countries, but that's just because of the way the political system works.

Anyone who can run a huge city like New York City--or Chicago, where I live--deserves major respect.

259 surfinbrant  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:21:21pm

re: #142 justadot

re: #103 surfinbrant

Uh, that was Huckabee, not Brownback.

Thanks, that was dumb on my part.

260 Racer X  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:21:30pm

re: #232 justacanuck

re: #209 Racer X

I am just astonished how anyone would seriously support RP.

It was so bad you could plainly hear the other candidates laughing at him every time he spoke!

Yeah, I heard that too. Who was laughing at him - do we know?

I heard several voices on stage laughing at him - almost every time he spoke. VERY noticeable!

261 Sodra Djavul  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:21:36pm

re: #211 ErkWit

Does anybody else think the ultimate Republican ticket would be Fred/Rudy? Fred is the heart and Rudy is the brains. They both have good appeal to swing voters as well. Fred for his positive exposure on Law & Order and Rudy for his courage on 9/11. Rudy might also get some liberal votes in big cities for his successful improvements to NYC. What Rudy lacks, Fred has, and vise versa.

I was having a hard time deciding between the two but then I realized I might not have to. Does anybody know whether this is a realistic possibility, or is it just a pipe dream?

My heart is with Fred. I've always supported Fred. But Fred's got to take a back seat as he decided to skip this debate to go on Leno.

Rudy/Fred, not the other way around. I wish Tancredo could get thrown in there somewhere, though. Kinda like a... ummm... no, guess not...

262 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:21:50pm

Fred planned to catch the bus, but he was tired, forgot the set his alarm clock.

Then he had a doctor's appointment, and had to cancel.

Then he had concerns that we know nothing about.

Fred, if you don't want to be considered entirely irrelevant, you are going to have to do a virgin dance into the fire.

Have fun.

263 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:21:53pm

re: #250 Cattt

re: #245 howco


What is the scariest fruit?

A: Apple
B: banna
C: Orange
D: All of the above
E: RON PAUL!


Banna!

The Name Game

264 OldLineTexan  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:21:54pm

re: #243 Thanos

re: #176 OldLineTexan

I understand where you are coming from friend, but come the big election some of us might have to suck it up and eat the shit sandwich we didn't order. This election's too critical -- we cannot hand over two branches of the government to the Democrats in time of war. You know what would happen.

Not only would the dems own the legislative and the executive -- what sort of judges would they be ramming into seats for at least four years?

I agress. Such was the civics lesson as explained in the South Park episode.

I have not missed a primary or GE since I got a voter registration card. That doesn't mean I have always been happy.

OldLineTexan

265 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:21:57pm

re: #185 Cattt

re: #111 NomadOfNorad

re: #24 MattMacD


I decided to vote for Ron Paul.
Well, it seems like the trendy thing to do.


LOL! ! !You know what? Being a closet nudist, I'd love to see a presidential debate done totally in the nude. Would definitely be interesting! :^D

As far as I'm concerned, anything (just about) done in the nude is interesting.

:^D

266 Colonel Panik  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:22:24pm

re: #155 WimbledonWomble

Looking at the poll results, Rudy wins the debate hands down. Is this because a preponderance of lizardoids are "reformed" liberals who woke up at 9/11 and saw Rudy's greatness? Or does it reflect a real chance Rudy has amongst Republicans in general to gain the candidacy? Lizardoids seem a mix of people, with a large proportion of committed hawkish Repubs, certainly, but also a large number of people who became more conservative post-9/11. Of course, underlying all, a lot of lizardoids would put the threat of Islamism and Jihad as the number one issue facing the West. This draws people from all different walks of life in, with all different worldviews, some more traditionally Republican and some less so. I hope Rudy wins the Repub nomination, and if lizardoids alone were voting it clearly seems he would, but will he win the candidacy among Republicans at large? I sure hope so! Honestly, I think he could win, if he wins the Repub nomination, because he would draw a lot of Dems away from Hillary.


I think there are a large number of Northeasterners and pro-war liberals on LGF. I frequent Free Republic, which touts itself as a conservative website and Rudy is not popular there. Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter are probably the two most popular Republican candidates on Free Republic. As I have said before I think Rudy will have a hard time gaining votes for the nomination in the South and the Rocky Mountain states.


BTW, I think Duncan Hunter's stance on negotiating fairer trade agreements with China and keeping manufacturing jobs in the US would win over a lot of blue collar Dems in the Rust Belt.

267 Galactacus  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:22:30pm

re: #244 Sodra Djavul

re: #186 ROPMA


re: #167 beachkatie

THIS COULD BE THE MOST IMPORTANT VOTE US U.S CITIZENS CAN MAKE!

We hear this every election cycle.

Because every election cycle we're faced with Vietnam-era peace activists who lost the war and allowed Communism to survive.


Let's not forget what else the Vietnam-era peace activists "caused"...
That would be the election of Richard Nixon. (Which I stand by as a Good Thing)

268 Bill Amos  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:22:30pm

Biggest winner tonight. Fox news and their grownup commentators

269 OldLineTexan  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:22:38pm

re: #250 Cattt

re: #245 howco


What is the scariest fruit?

A: Apple
B: banna
C: Orange
D: All of the above
E: RON PAUL!


Banna!

Wrong! Tricksy! No such fruit as a banna!

OldLineTexan

270 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:22:44pm

re: #256 Abu Bin Squid

Biniki sand wedgie...

271 ChenZhen  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:22:58pm

re: #217 Abu Bin Squid

General Chen is putting the clash between Rue Paul and Huckabee on his blog. Make sure to visit it.
I believe the link is: *GAZE*.com (I could be wrong)
Enjoy Chen's spin. He said he likes Huck, but we all know he's a Paulistianian.

The poll is for "best performance". I took that literally. I don't think I have to agree with the politics to judge someone of their performance. Huckabee was poised and articulate. I'll admit that I didn't see every minute of the debate (I was watching from work), but I was impressed with Huckabee.

272 rab3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:23:13pm

re: #257 Cattt

re: #246 rab3

re: #213 Cattt


re: #194 rab3


re: #185 Cattt

re: #111 NomadOfNorad

re: #24 MattMacD

I decided to vote for Ron Paul.
Well, it seems like the trendy thing to do.


LOL! ! !You know what? Being a closet nudist, I'd love to see a presidential debate done totally in the nude. Would definitely be interesting! :^D


As far as I'm concerned, anything (just about) done in the nude is interesting.


YYYUUUKKK. Man Boobs.


But interesting man boobs. And other man parts. :) It could put a whole new spin on "the best man."


Some of those guys are pretty old. What you would see is balls on the floor. Birthdays and gravity get the best of all of us.

You never know. I've seen some old guys who... but never mind.

Ok, that ends our TMI session for the night.

273 Sodra Djavul  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:23:14pm

re: #250 Cattt

re: #245 howco


What is the scariest fruit?

A: Apple
B: banna
C: Orange
D: All of the above
E: RON PAUL!


Banna!

Obama is the scariest fruit. duhh...

274 Abu Bin Squid  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:23:47pm

#258 Promethea
Would you vote for Dickie Daley?
I'm just far enough outside of Chi-town to ask.

275 Piglet-U93  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:24:01pm

re: #244 Sodra Djavul

The "monsters" that save us from Islam will not be "monsters" until the year 3470 and considering the state of information technology now and then it may not happen at all.

276 bikermailman  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:24:13pm

re: #220 rab3

re: #200 bikermailman


re: #127 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

Oh, and someone should tell Ron Paul not to get his boxers in a bunch. He needs to calm down (and he needs a brain transplant as well).

His brain is gone!

Oh you had to make a Star Trek reference. Here you go.

The old joke (has to be aural) goes: how do you know Jim and Bones were gay? (Bones voice) Jim! Jim! Jim!
Never mind...said it had to be an aural joke.

277 rab3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:24:17pm

re: #273 Sodra Djavul

re: #250 Cattt

re: #245 howco


What is the scariest fruit?A: Apple
B: banna
C: Orange
D: All of the above
E: RON PAUL!


Banna!

Obama is the scariest fruit. duhh...

Yes but a very articulate fruit. So say Joe Binden.

278 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:24:37pm

I'm no Rudy fan but I am practical. He did an excellent job cleaning up New York. I believe he's the only sure fire winner against the Rotten - therefore even as a Conservative, I've got to vote for him. But if Rudy puts some lib on the Supreme Court, it's the last vote he will get from me. He'd better be telling the truth about Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, or Alito look alike.

And unless he blows it in the debate, Hillary won't win 20 states. I want the Clinton's ass toasted, whatever it takes to move them to the rectum of humanity.

279 justadot  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:24:44pm

re: #240 madmom

I don't remember him giving a pledge of support for Fatah. Do you have a link for that?

280 howco  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:24:45pm

Sorry Cant spell.

B. Banana

281 dreaboi  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:24:46pm

Re: 181: Damn right! It deserves to be posted again:

Damn right. Perfectly stated.re: #181 opinionated

re: #20 audge

Is anyone watching H&C? Those people are all over Rudy. He did talk about his NY record, but, that is what he is running on. They dont like him and they loved McCain.

We long for a competent President with the proof of a record of huge achievements in prologue to the Presidency. But we are not used to that happening.

Instead we are used to, and demand, frequently insincere promises from candidates.

When Giuliani proves by a recitation of his huge accomplishments that he is the man for the job, some voters get bored.

Promises and wishes are so much more appealing.

It may be why we deserve the lousy Presidents we get.

282 justacanuck  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:24:59pm

re: #272 rab3

re: #257 Cattt

re: #246 rab3

re: #213 Cattt


re: #194 rab3


re: #185 Cattt


re: #111 NomadOfNorad

re: #24 MattMacD

I decided to vote for Ron Paul.
Well, it seems like the trendy thing to do.


LOL! ! !You know what? Being a closet nudist, I'd love to see a presidential debate done totally in the nude. Would definitely be interesting! :^D


As far as I'm concerned, anything (just about) done in the nude is interesting.


YYYUUUKKK. Man Boobs.


But interesting man boobs. And other man parts. :) It could put a whole new spin on "the best man."


Some of those guys are pretty old. What you would see is balls on the floor. Birthdays and gravity get the best of all of us.

You never know. I've seen some old guys who... but never mind.

Ok, that ends our TMI session for the night.

Not until I toss in this one for your reference books: moobs. You can thank me later.

283 Racer X  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:25:01pm

re: #268 Bill Amos

Biggest winner tonight. Fox news and their grownup commentators

Amen to that!

Class. Take note dems.

284 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:25:15pm

Huckabee smacked down Paul while Paul flipped around like a fish trying to shout him down. That was the one memorable moment.

285 Ginn  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:26:02pm

I love Rudy.

286 jamihabs  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:26:07pm

I'll be happy when someone has the balls to trim the number of candidates invited to debates and Ron Paul is left out. Not only will we get rid of a ridicules candidate, hopefully we will get rid of the ronpaulians

287 1SG(ret)  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:26:08pm

re: #205 USBeast

Why I didn't watch! This was not a debate it was crescendo of sound bites that at this point doesn't mean much. I think my point is made when you look at the poll here. How Ron Paul gets so many votes here boggles my mind.

Top

288 Thanos  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:26:14pm

re: #264 OldLineTexan

re: #243 Thanos


re: #176 OldLineTexan

I understand where you are coming from friend, but come the big election some of us might have to suck it up and eat the shit sandwich we didn't order. This election's too critical -- we cannot hand over two branches of the government to the Democrats in time of war. You know what would happen.

Not only would the dems own the legislative and the executive -- what sort of judges would they be ramming into seats for at least four years?


I agress. Such was the civics lesson as explained in the South Park episode.

I have not missed a primary or GE since I got a voter registration card. That doesn't mean I have always been happy.

OldLineTexan

Good for you -- I don't like Brownback because of his immigration leadership, and lack of dimension, but I would vote for him if he got the nod. I like Tancredo but think he's a bit emotional for President - over the top with the nuke mecca bit by just a tad... but I would vote for him.

The only one I wouldn't vote for is ... Ron Paul.

Yes, that's right, I vote for Hillary ahead of Ron Paul.

289 OldLineTexan  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:26:19pm

re: #283 Racer X

re: #268 Bill Amos


Biggest winner tonight. Fox news and their grownup commentators

Amen to that!

Class. Take note dems.

Real Dems cannot see Fox News.

OldLineTexan

290 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:26:49pm

re: #286 jamihabs

ronpaulians

Call them what they are. Birchers.

291 Abu Bin Squid  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:26:51pm

#271 Chen
I agree that Huck was good. That doesn't answer which horse you've got in this race. Your posts and blog render you an outsider (dem). I bet you've got an Obama bumper sticker on your vehicle, placed directly over the Kerry/Edwards sticker. Am I wrong?

292 NY Nana  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:26:56pm

re: #187 Capitalistincharge

Exactly. To not vote is suicidal and homicidal.. There is no such thing as a perfect candidate.

293 Catttt  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:26:57pm

re: #281 dreaboi

Re: 181: Damn right! It deserves to be posted again:

Damn right. Perfectly stated.re: #181 opinionated


re: #20 audge

Is anyone watching H&C? Those people are all over Rudy. He did talk about his NY record, but, that is what he is running on. They dont like him and they loved McCain.

We long for a competent President with the proof of a record of huge achievements in prologue to the Presidency. But we are not used to that happening.

Instead we are used to, and demand, frequently insincere promises from candidates.

When Giuliani proves by a recitation of his huge accomplishments that he is the man for the job, some voters get bored.

Promises and wishes are so much more appealing.

It may be why we deserve the lousy Presidents we get.

I confess. I couldn't take any more Fox. I muted it and put on Marilyn Manson.

294 bikermailman  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:27:15pm

re: #229 The Other Les

re: #220 rab3


re: #200 bikermailman

re: #127 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

Oh, and someone should tell Ron Paul not to get his boxers in a bunch. He needs to calm down (and he needs a brain transplant as well).

His brain is gone!

Oh you had to make a Star Trek reference. Here you go.

Brain, brain! What is brain?

They took L. Ron Paul's.

295 OldLineTexan  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:27:18pm

re: #288 Thanos

re: #264 OldLineTexan


re: #243 Thanos

re: #176 OldLineTexan
I understand where you are coming from friend, but come the big election some of us might have to suck it up and eat the shit sandwich we didn't order. This election's too critical -- we cannot hand over two branches of the government to the Democrats in time of war. You know what would happen.

Not only would the dems own the legislative and the executive -- what sort of judges would they be ramming into seats for at least four years?


I agress. Such was the civics lesson as explained in the South Park episode.
I have not missed a primary or GE since I got a voter registration card. That doesn't mean I have always been happy.

OldLineTexan


Good for you -- I don't like Brownback because of his immigration leadership, and lack of dimension, but I would vote for him if he got the nod. I like Tancredo but think he's a bit emotional for President - over the top with the nuke mecca bit by just a tad... but I would vote for him.

The only one I wouldn't vote for is ... Ron Paul.

Yes, that's right, I vote for Hillary ahead of Ron Paul.

I will write in Farfour first.

OldLineTexan

296 RTLM  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:27:23pm

re: #290 Mich-again

re: #286 jamihabs

ronpaulians

Call them what they are. Birchers.

...Vegans

297 DesertSage  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:27:36pm

re: #278 goodbye_natalie

I would vote for a walnut if I thought it could beat Hillary.
I will vote next year from a defensive position...to defend the country against the Clintons!

298 Ron Paul  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:27:38pm

I would vote for Huckabee, plus He is from Arkansas.

299 dreaboi  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:28:11pm

re: #211 ErkWit

Pipe dream. Why put the guy with the brains at the bottom of the ticket AGAIN?
Maybe Fred at the bottom of the ticket.

300 rab3[deleted]  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:28:14pm
301 justadot  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:28:29pm

re: #259 surfinbrant

No sweat. I still agree: excellent words

302 Backstaber  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:28:31pm

Freddy President FTW. Rudy VP FTW

IMO though, these debates in general are pathetic and too early on both sides. I think they should have waited till the beginning of 08'.

303 pat  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:28:34pm

Wiley says Clintons caused her house to be burglarized. Her book draft was stolen. Hmmm. All over the news./ Missing uno numero donor, now missing book. Are the Grifters back in action? Anyone know where Blumenthal was for the last 24 hours? How about Sandy Burglar?
[Link: www.wnd.com...]

304 Thanos  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:28:35pm

Well time for me to hit the hay, great debate, and great discussion all. Goodnite, sleep well friends.

305 Racer X  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:28:42pm

re: #289 OldLineTexan

Real Dems cannot see Fox News.

Its almost like they have made up their minds and they do not WANT to see any part of Fox News.

Their loss.

306 theblakester  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:28:54pm

Sorry, I didn't see the debate or any debates so far this year. However, if Ron was involved he must have won, just ask him or his followers!

307 Jefiner  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:28:56pm

To Mr. Paul: Did your mother have any children who survived? Guy looks like death warmed over, and some of the idiocy coming out of that man's mouth . . . he's gonna go to Congress to find out if we have a reason to go to war with Iran?

Geez.

I was impressed by the rest of the debaters; we may disagree with their politics, but as a whole the Republican candidates far outshine the Democrat posse in terms of intelligence, character, insight and courage.

and that's the twooth!

308 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:29:07pm

ISG

If you didn't watch, how would you know what it was? Sorry top, I'm not buying it.

309 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:29:10pm
310 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:29:11pm

re: #298 Ron Paul

I sensed your presence as soon as you boarded the Death Star.

311 The Other Les  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:29:21pm

re: #294 bikermailman

re: #229 The Other Les

re: #220 rab3


re: #200 bikermailman


re: #127 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

Oh, and someone should tell Ron Paul not to get his boxers in a bunch. He needs to calm down (and he needs a brain transplant as well).


His brain is gone!


Oh you had to make a Star Trek reference. Here you go.


Brain, brain! What is brain?

They took L. Ron Paul's.

And then there is the state of Too Clear.

312 pat  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:29:29pm

re: #285 Ginn

Love is a strong word, but I like him also. As a candidate.

313 bikermailman  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:29:29pm

re: #237 Cattt

re: #229 The Other Les


re: #220 rab3

re: #200 bikermailman

re: #127 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

Oh, and someone should tell Ron Paul not to get his boxers in a bunch. He needs to calm down (and he needs a brain transplant as well).

His brain is gone!

Oh you had to make a Star Trek reference. Here you go.

Brain, brain! What is brain?

Brain and brain! What is brain! I can hear her voice as clear as a bell. Trekkie forever.

Go click the first link, and watch for a min or so...you'll hear it live and in person...er, something like that.

314 Da_Beerfreak  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:29:43pm

re: #245 howco

What is the scariest fruit?

A: Apple
B: banna
C: Orange
D: All of the above
E: RON PAUL!

F: Pineapple

(Monty Python reference)

315 ChenZhen  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:30:09pm

re: #291 Abu Bin Squid

#271 Chen
I agree that Huck was good. That doesn't answer which horse you've got in this race. Your posts and blog render you an outsider (dem). I bet you've got an Obama bumper sticker on your vehicle, placed directly over the Kerry/Edwards sticker. Am I wrong?

Yes. No bumper stickers on my ride. It's like putting a tattoo on a hot woman. It kinda ruins it.

316 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:30:10pm

re: #53 The Other Les

re: #46 justacanuck

L. Ron Paul: "We should not go to war when it's an aggressive war."

What an incredible tardtron.

Church of Moonbatology?

But... but... what if it's a passive/aggressive war?

317 leepro  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:30:49pm

re: #211 ErkWit

Does anybody else think the ultimate Republican ticket would be Fred/Rudy? Fred is the heart and Rudy is the brains. They both have good appeal to swing voters as well. Fred for his positive exposure on Law & Order and Rudy for his courage on 9/11. Rudy might also get some liberal votes in big cities for his successful improvements to NYC. What Rudy lacks, Fred has, and vise versa.

[snip]

Well, maybe... I'd rather see Fred/Duncan (mostly because of the abortion, gun control and immigration issues). But in a perfect world my choice is Fred/Newt!

318 OldLineTexan  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:30:52pm

re: #316 anotherindyfilmguy

re: #53 The Other Les


re: #46 justacanuck

L. Ron Paul: "We should not go to war when it's an aggressive war."

What an incredible tardtron.


Church of Moonbatology?

But... but... what if it's a passive/aggressive war?

A trial separation and some counseling.

OldLineTexan

319 Ginn  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:31:14pm

re: #312 pat

re: #285 Ginn

Love is a strong word, but I like him also. As a candidate.

You're right. Love is a strong word. I like Rudy. I love Zell Miller.

320 Racer X  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:31:16pm

Did the comments box just go w i d e ?

Or is it just me?

321 Ron Paul  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:31:18pm

re: #310 Mich-again
Come over to the dark side!

322 ROPMA  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:31:43pm

The dream ticket

Gingrich/Bolton

323 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:31:54pm

Ron Paul reminded me of this wonderful put-down by Winston Churchill of Ramsey McDonald.

"I remember when I was a child, being taken to the celebrated Barnum's Circus, which contained an exhibition of freaks and monstrosities, but the exhibit on the program which I most desired to see was the one described as 'The Boneless Wonder'. My parents judged that the spectacle would be too demoralizing and revolting for my youthful eye; and I have waited fifty years to see The Boneless Wonder: sitting on the Treasury bench."

324 SnakeSpit  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:32:04pm

Guns and abortion are very important issues to me. Rudy is weaker on them than I'd like, but if he is the Republican candidate, then I'll vote for him without a second thought. The south will too. The only danger is that some may pooch out their lower lip, and stay home, if their favorite candidate is not on the ballots. I just hope none here are that foolish.

The very most important issues are the war on Islamists and our national security. All other issues pale in comparison.

325 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:32:06pm
326 OldLineTexan  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:32:15pm

re: #322 ROPMA

The dream ticket

Gingrich/Bolton

I won't vote for Michael Bolton.

OldLineTexan

327 wee fury  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:32:25pm

Rudy just got my vote.

328 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:32:30pm

re: #266 Colonel Panik

I think there are a large number of Northeasterners and pro-war liberals on LGF. I frequent Free Republic, which touts itself as a conservative website and Rudy is not popular there.

There are and I am not one of them - I doubt there is anybody more conservative than me on this site. And if Thompson or the rest of the clan get the nomination, they've got my vote. But...

The only real two conservatives I've seen are Huckabee and Hunter, both good guys. And that's not going to happen. So I ask myself, what does a President really do that is lasting besides Supreme Court nominations, declare war, and mingle with the military. And I don't want Ms. Rotten within a million miles of the Whitehouse affecting my children 20 years from now. I believe we can pressure Rudy into more conservative positions...

329 rw in san diego  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:32:34pm

Colmes is such a complete ass. I am very happy they water-boardered the hairy sheik.

330 NY Nana  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:32:42pm

re: #164 Mich-again

I ♥ Huckabee!

331 Sodra Djavul  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:32:55pm

re: #281 dreaboi

We do deserve what we get. Did you know that 20% of our entire economy goes to support the federal government? Right off the top, across all levels.

And for what? What do social programs do but fill us with warm feelings in our cockles? Warm feelings for what? Didn't Jesus himself say if you don't work, you don't eat?

Cut them. Let them starve and call us granny-pushing thugs who wait by crosswalks until Mack trucks pass and laugh as senior citizens get run down and the cat food they eat so they can buy their prescription drugs goes rolling into the gutter. Let Markos Moulitsas Zuniga call us that. I'll still call him a cross-eyed freak of nature who belongs back in his parent's basement from which he sprang.

Then devolve everything more than national security (including border security, armed forces, and intelligence) and transportation infrastructure (primarily roads and airports, etc.) to the states.

10% Tax Rate across the board, for all individuals, for all corporations, no itemized deductions

And we'd still run a surplus.

332 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:33:06pm

re: #212 mamashawna

I texted to Fox and voted for Rudy! you go Mandy!

I don't know what to say.

Well, other than:

RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY.

RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY.
RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY.
RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY.
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333 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:33:08pm

Another great Churchill put-down, on seeing Stafford Crips walk by:

"There, but for the grace of God, goes God."

334 pat  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:33:44pm

re: #319 Ginn

LOL

335 bikermailman  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:34:14pm

re: #261 Sodra Djavul

re: #211 ErkWit


Does anybody else think the ultimate Republican ticket would be Fred/Rudy? Fred is the heart and Rudy is the brains. They both have good appeal to swing voters as well. Fred for his positive exposure on Law & Order and Rudy for his courage on 9/11. Rudy might also get some liberal votes in big cities for his successful improvements to NYC. What Rudy lacks, Fred has, and vise versa.

I was having a hard time deciding between the two but then I realized I might not have to. Does anybody know whether this is a realistic possibility, or is it just a pipe dream?


My heart is with Fred. I've always supported Fred. But Fred's got to take a back seat as he decided to skip this debate to go on Leno.

Rudy/Fred, not the other way around. I wish Tancredo could get thrown in there somewhere, though. Kinda like a... ummm... no, guess not...

Make TT the SecDef...scare the bejeebers out of anyone who wants to jack with us. The guy who has control of the fleet? He just might cut loose and take you out, regardless of the President's say! bwaaahahahhahaa
/the image, not the reality

336 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:34:43pm

re: #326 OldLineTexan

Bolton is crazy. I'd put him up as secretary of education, just for a goof.

337 Syrah  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:34:45pm

re: #296 RTLM

re: #290 Mich-again

re: #286 jamihabs

ronpaulians

Call them what they are. Birchers.

...Vegans

Reconstituted Deaniacs

338 NY Nana  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:34:49pm

re: #297 DesertSage

Been looking for you..OT..my damned Dell? It's the modem...says Dell. We will see tomorrow.

339 Ginn  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:35:01pm

re: #332 MandyManners

re: #212 mamashawna

I texted to Fox and voted for Rudy! you go Mandy!
I don't know what to say.

Well, other than:

RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY.

RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY.
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RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY.
RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY.

So I take it.. You like Rudy?

340 Racer X  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:35:13pm

And to all the candidates that are reading this blog - you know who you are - you all did a decent job tonight.

Except for, you know.

341 rab3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:35:21pm

Ron Paul verses Godzilla. Who will win.

342 Catttt  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:35:31pm

re: #315 ChenZhen

re: #291 Abu Bin Squid


#271 Chen
I agree that Huck was good. That doesn't answer which horse you've got in this race. Your posts and blog render you an outsider (dem). I bet you've got an Obama bumper sticker on your vehicle, placed directly over the Kerry/Edwards sticker. Am I wrong?

Yes. No bumper stickers on my ride. It's like putting a tattoo on a hot woman. It kinda ruins it.

I sooo want to ask about what horrific experience brought that example to your mind. I have this visual where you uncover the tat - scream - and run away yelling "oh nooo!"

343 NY Nana  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:35:47pm

re: #333 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

Long time no see! How are you?

344 bikermailman  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:35:48pm

re: #266 Colonel Panik

re: #155 WimbledonWomble


Looking at the poll results, Rudy wins the debate hands down. Is this because a preponderance of lizardoids are "reformed" liberals who woke up at 9/11 and saw Rudy's greatness? Or does it reflect a real chance Rudy has amongst Republicans in general to gain the candidacy? Lizardoids seem a mix of people, with a large proportion of committed hawkish Repubs, certainly, but also a large number of people who became more conservative post-9/11. Of course, underlying all, a lot of lizardoids would put the threat of Islamism and Jihad as the number one issue facing the West. This draws people from all different walks of life in, with all different worldviews, some more traditionally Republican and some less so. I hope Rudy wins the Repub nomination, and if lizardoids alone were voting it clearly seems he would, but will he win the candidacy among Republicans at large? I sure hope so! Honestly, I think he could win, if he wins the Repub nomination, because he would draw a lot of Dems away from Hillary.

I think there are a large number of Northeasterners and pro-war liberals on LGF. I frequent Free Republic, which touts itself as a conservative website and Rudy is not popular there. Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter are probably the two most popular Republican candidates on Free Republic. As I have said before I think Rudy will have a hard time gaining votes for the nomination in the South and the Rocky Mountain states.


BTW, I think Duncan Hunter's stance on negotiating fairer trade agreements with China and keeping manufacturing jobs in the US would win over a lot of blue collar Dems in the Rust Belt.

One more reason for me telling Mandy that Huckabee needs to be on the ticket.

345 NY Nana  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:36:22pm

re: #341 rab3

Godzilla, in a romp.

346 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:36:31pm

re: #325 song_and_dance_man

OK who rogered the thread. The post column seems tooo wide.

CZ and the Whore -- THAT SMELL

347 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:36:36pm

Bolton for Secretary of State...give me the meanest hardass general we've got that is respected by the military for Secretary of Defense. If I had my choice it would be Norman.

348 justacanuck  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:37:15pm

re: #341 rab3

Ron Paul verses Godzilla. Who will win.

L. Ron Paul of course - after all, he has opposing thumbs and can type/stuff and online vote waaay faster than that clumsy neocon Godzilla.

349 BLBfootballs  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:37:25pm

Can't we have a separate Ron Paul-only poll? Please!

350 Colonel Panik  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:37:36pm

re: #330 NY Nana

re: #164 Mich-again

I %u2665 Huckabee!

LMAO!

351 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:37:43pm

Let's not project any kind of aura upon a man who has basically not joined the fray, and I'm talking Thompson.

There is no deity status consigned to cowards, wafflers or deceivers. I'm not saying that ANY of that applies to Thompson, but if he wants to win, he's going to have to do it upon not just his stands on the issues, but also upon his past performance and his experience level.

Please explain why he's hands-down the ideal candidate, but I am so far from convinced he may not get it done before I drop my ballot.

352 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:37:47pm

re: #331 Sodra Djavul

10% Tax Rate across the board, for all individuals, for all corporations, no itemized deductions

Umm yeah, except for the part about how.. like none of us would have a job after you got through with the first part. Be wary of the Etch a Sketch solutions.

353 rab3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:37:51pm

re: #339 Ginn

re: #332 MandyManners

re: #212 mamashawna

I texted to Fox and voted for Rudy! you go Mandy!

I don't know what to say. Well, other than:

RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY.

RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY.
RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY.
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RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY.
RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY. RUDY.

So I take it.. You like Rudy?

RUDY RUDY RUDY.

/sarc I like him too.

354 The Other Les  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:38:33pm

re: #341 rab3

Ron Paul verses Godzilla. Who will win.

Oh no! There goes Tokyo!

355 bikermailman  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:38:37pm

re: #283 Racer X

re: #268 Bill Amos


Biggest winner tonight. Fox news and their grownup commentators

Amen to that!

Class. Take note dems.

You play to your constituency. Fox and the Republicans have grownups, ergo, grownup debates. CNN and the Democrats...

356 OldLineTexan  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:38:42pm

re: #342 Cattt

re: #315 ChenZhen


re: #291 Abu Bin Squid

#271 Chen
I agree that Huck was good. That doesn't answer which horse you've got in this race. Your posts and blog render you an outsider (dem). I bet you've got an Obama bumper sticker on your vehicle, placed directly over the Kerry/Edwards sticker. Am I wrong?

Yes. No bumper stickers on my ride. It's like putting a tattoo on a hot woman. It kinda ruins it.

I sooo want to ask about what horrific experience brought that example to your mind. I have this visual where you uncover the tat - scream - and run away yelling "oh nooo!"

For me, it was the small-of-the-back tat that side "50 cents for the first minute, 25 cents per minute thereafter".

Yeah, I'm old.

Seriously, I'm putting my retirement savings in tat removal. When the cherries turn to apples, they'll pay.

OldLineTexan

357 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:39:07pm

Sodra

Could you please explain to me what the federal govt is there for? I'm afraid I plum forgot my grade school civics lessons.

358 Highrise  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:39:17pm

I don't base who I want to win off of this debate..I've watched the candidates fairly closely and that is where I base opinions on.

I would like to see a Hunter/Tancredo ticket ideally as both of them encompass the 3 facets of combating terror.
1) border security
2) 2nd amendment staunch supporter
3) islamist threat

I wouldn't mind seeing Romney in there.

Giuliani is ok but has some issues that are pretty important to me that I feel he is weak on.

Huckabee is ok.
---
brownback..not really. Makes me yawn.

absolute no: mccain and ron paul. I don't put them in the same category though...mccain atleast is an honorable patriot and endured much for his country. mccain's policies (mccain feingold/shamnesty bill) have been questionable and he his partnerships with certain dems...scary..like kennedy. There is too much compromise in his voice to reach across the aisle. I think one should know how to work with the dems but not go so far as to partner with them on damaging legislation. ron paul should become a full time comedian. His policies and outlook are archaic and it's a shame because he sounds good the first two sentences on something then loses me in his own right isolationist type mind. ron paul is dangerous for our country and there is zero chance I'd vote for him.

359 rw in san diego  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:39:31pm

Brownback just lost me with his endorsement of using James Baker.

360 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:39:50pm

Well, as of 11:30pm ET, I've bailed from the Fox News thing and moved to HGTV for "What's With That House?" (one of my all-time favorite shows...)

I might return at midnight, though...

361 rab3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:39:52pm

re: #356 OldLineTexan

re: #342 Cattt

re: #315 ChenZhen


re: #291 Abu Bin Squid


#271 Chen
I agree that Huck was good. That doesn't answer which horse you've got in this race. Your posts and blog render you an outsider (dem). I bet you've got an Obama bumper sticker on your vehicle, placed directly over the Kerry/Edwards sticker. Am I wrong?


Yes. No bumper stickers on my ride. It's like putting a tattoo on a hot woman. It kinda ruins it.


I sooo want to ask about what horrific experience brought that example to your mind. I have this visual where you uncover the tat - scream - and run away yelling "oh nooo!"

For me, it was the small-of-the-back tat that side "50 cents for the first minute, 25 cents per minute thereafter".

Yeah, I'm old.

Seriously, I'm putting my retirement savings in tat removal. When the cherries turn to apples, they'll pay.

OldLineTexan

Oh God Chen is back.

362 1SG(ret)  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:39:53pm

re: #308 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I can read and from what is stayed here my point is spot on, but I'll give your point. Will just read what others think.

Top

363 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:40:01pm

Mandy
You simply must, Dahlink!
[Link: lanebryant.charmingshoppes.com...]

364 Piglet-U93  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:40:36pm

Lizards, Ron Paul the lizard is not a presidential candidate so stop voting for him already.

365 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:41:06pm

Even though I agree with this sentiment:

No bumper stickers on my ride. It's like putting a tattoo on a hot woman. It kinda ruins it.

I wouldn't turn down a ride in a car that had bumper stickers.

/My drift, catch it?

//missed most of the debate, so my comments are not 'value added'

366 Stuck-in-CA  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:41:37pm

re: #196 ornery elephant

re: #155 WimbledonWomble

I can only speak for myself but the following do not cause me a loss of sleep at night:

illegal immigration
gun control (and yes, i own two)
abortion
social security
higher taxes
bigger government

What does cause me to lose sleep at night:

The Siege Upon The Western World by Islamofascism

And because I want to sleep soundly, I am for Rudy Giuliani. He is the only candidate from DAY ONE that has had the balls to call a terrorist a terrorist.

And I would add...that if you took a poll of Al Qaeda tonight, the LAST man they want leading the United States is Rudy Giuliani.

You BETTER start losing some sleep over it. Open borders and NAU is alot more immediate a threat to this nation. It will forever change the face of "America" will foist Socialism on us, and make Islamofascism easier to make headway here because the nation will become even LESS unified than it is now. Divided we FALL.

367 Racer X  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:42:27pm

re: #355 bikermailman

re: #268 Bill Amos
Biggest winner tonight. Fox news and their grownup commentators

You play to your constituency. Fox and the Republicans have grownups, ergo, grownup debates. CNN and the Democrats...


No kidding! There were some tough questions thrown out there tonight. I thought Romney was gonna cry when that guy told him how disappointed he was in him.

No marshmallow softballs served up slow-pitch for the candidates to bounce into center field.

368 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:42:27pm

I don't think Rudy is the one. The GOP candidate will have to beat Hillary. If Rudy gets the GOP nod, then Ron Paul will run as an Independent and will give Hillary the erection with a 42% popular vote. (No PIMF, I meant that)

369 Catttt  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:42:33pm

re: #356 OldLineTexan

re: #342 Cattt


re: #315 ChenZhen

re: #291 Abu Bin Squid

#271 Chen
I agree that Huck was good. That doesn't answer which horse you've got in this race. Your posts and blog render you an outsider (dem). I bet you've got an Obama bumper sticker on your vehicle, placed directly over the Kerry/Edwards sticker. Am I wrong?

Yes. No bumper stickers on my ride. It's like putting a tattoo on a hot woman. It kinda ruins it.

I sooo want to ask about what horrific experience brought that example to your mind. I have this visual where you uncover the tat - scream - and run away yelling "oh nooo!"

For me, it was the small-of-the-back tat that side "50 cents for the first minute, 25 cents per minute thereafter".

Yeah, I'm old.

Seriously, I'm putting my retirement savings in tat removal. When the cherries turn to apples, they'll pay.

OldLineTexan

At one time, I was anti-tat. One day, I just changed my mind. We jumped on the Harley, went to Little Vinnies, and I got one.

I have only two, and I like them. So there. (They are both cats - a panther and chinese cats - oddly enough).

370 Dahveed  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:42:36pm

I didn't watch. But I must say I will take anyone (except Ron Paul) as long as Hillary doesn't win.

371 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:42:44pm

re: #361 rab3
Now.., be nice. We can all be civilized.

372 bikermailman  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:43:09pm

re: #316 anotherindyfilmguy

re: #53 The Other Les


re: #46 justacanuck

L. Ron Paul: "We should not go to war when it's an aggressive war."

What an incredible tardtron.


Church of Moonbatology?

But... but... what if it's a passive/aggressive war?

Per the prev thread:
L. Ron Paul and the Church of Retardology
/all apologies to any learning disabled individuals for comparison to RP.

373 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:43:25pm

The wack is being interviewed by the hack. Yea.

374 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:43:27pm

re: #294 bikermailman

It's in the jar marked "Abby Normal."

375 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:44:01pm

I don't understand that group of people in NH that thought Rudy was the biggest disappointment. Are we sure they weren't really D(s) or I(s)?

Ron Paul is a complete idiot.
I like what Rudy said and Huckabee next, Hunter 3rd. I've been afraid of Rudy's socially liberal stands, he helped me get over some of that tonight.

376 bikermailman  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:44:12pm

re: #322 ROPMA

The dream ticket

Gingrich/Bolton

heh. heh heh. niiiccceee

377 Pope Ron Paul II  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:44:40pm

I just wanted to thank all of you who voted for me. I was clearly the winner.

378 Stuck-in-CA  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:44:41pm

re: #221 Jheka

re: #195 stuck-in-ca


Duncan Hunter won as far as I'm concerned. I will vote either for him or Tancredo, no matter who gets the nomination. They are the only two who will fight against open borders, the North American Union and illegal immigration. To me that IS the most important issue. How can we have national security with open borders? I assure you all the other candidates are open border candidates no matter how they try to tapdance around the issue without really answering questions clearly.

Let me understand you. You're going to write one of them in in the GE no matter who the Republican nominee is? Is that right?

As it stands today? YES. But of course things can happen and things can change. But I can't imagine what. I am NOT voting for another open border candidate like Bush. NO WAY, no how.

379 Retread  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:44:51pm

#333

My favorite Churchill zinger remains:

Dinner companion: Mr. Churchill, you are drunk!

Churchill: And you, madam, are ugly. Tomorrow I shall be sober.

380 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:45:11pm

I want another BUSH!

Jeb? Laura? Jenna? c'mon!

381 The Other Les  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:45:20pm

re: #372 bikermailman

re: #316 anotherindyfilmguy

re: #53 The Other Les


re: #46 justacanuck


L. Ron Paul: "We should not go to war when it's an aggressive war."What an incredible tardtron.


Church of Moonbatology?


But... but... what if it's a passive/aggressive war?

Per the prev thread:
L. Ron Paul and the Church of Retardology
/all apologies to any learning disabled individuals for comparison to RP.

Okay.

How about the Church of Dumbassology?

382 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:45:27pm

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Flockin' Delirium Tremors!

383 rab3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:45:36pm

re: #371 cbinflux

re: #361 rab3
Now.., be nice. We can all be civilized.

Your right. I've been in to many dust ups lately. Not in the mood for another.

384 rw in san diego  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:45:39pm

If Paul wants to eliminate the Dept of State, I may have to reconsider my vote.

385 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:45:45pm

re: #377 Pope Ron Paul II

I just wanted to thank all of you who voted for me. I was clearly the winner.

ROFLMAO!

386 Racer X  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:45:54pm

re: #368 Mich-again

...give Hillary the erection

Not sure she would want that. It's been quite a few years you know.

387 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:45:57pm

re: #380 Mich-again

We all want some more BUSH.

Hey-O!

388 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:46:04pm

This is addressed to the conservatives on this board:

(1) Forget gun control - it ain't going to change what we have now unless a President wants civil war.

(2) Abortion - if Rudy is serious about putting a strict constructionist on the court when those two gawd awful libs either leave or die (Ginsberg and Stevens), then the power to overturn Roe v. Wade is where it always belonged in the Supreme Court, not the Presidency - that's the key. Plus we might be able to push that limp noodle Souter out for good measure. We can dog pile him for four years and he'll fold.

(3) We all agree Rudy is going to be tough on terror.

It's the logical choice...there isn't a candidate this coming year in the Reagan mold so we have to be practical.

389 Galactacus  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:46:18pm

Ron Paul is a Jittery Merkat.

390 Stuck-in-CA  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:46:20pm

re: #240 madmom

Rudy is not even a conservative. Why are there so many of you that support him. I heard him say he would send money and arms to Fat ah the other day. We don't nee another idiot in the white house that is going to repeat "Islam is a religion of Peace".

AMEN. I like Rudy, but not for President. Maybe for Defense Secy.

391 justadot  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:46:31pm

Ron Paul doesn't believe the Iranians are involved in Iraq, but if they are, they have a better reason to be in Iraq than the U.S. Absolutely amazing…

392 NY Nana  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:46:39pm

re: #350 Colonel Panik

In a purely platonic way! :) Seriously, he is also a Type 2 diabetic, like my husband and I, and he is a terrific advocate, in addition to what a President needs; honesty and decency. A friend in Arkansas says he is superb, and I trust this friend, who lived through the siege of the Clintoon mafia.

When I read his positions, I was so impressed that I switched from Rudy (don't tell Mandy!)...but if Huckabee does not win, then I hope it will be Rudy.

There are positions of Huckabee's that I am not in favor of ,but all in all, he is my favorite.

393 rightwinger3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:46:41pm

This is great AP headline on Yahoo!:

Republicans, Paul clash over Iraq war

394 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:47:05pm

re: #379 Retread

Mine is the 'white meat' jab at the WH protocol lady.

395 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:47:06pm

Somewhere around 5 am the paulians will conquer the poll vote.

And not one person will care.

396 OldLineTexan  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:47:38pm

re: #369 Cattt

re: #356 OldLineTexan


re: #342 Cattt

re: #315 ChenZhen

re: #291 Abu Bin Squid

#271 Chen
I agree that Huck was good. That doesn't answer which horse you've got in this race. Your posts and blog render you an outsider (dem). I bet you've got an Obama bumper sticker on your vehicle, placed directly over the Kerry/Edwards sticker. Am I wrong?

Yes. No bumper stickers on my ride. It's like putting a tattoo on a hot woman. It kinda ruins it.

I sooo want to ask about what horrific experience brought that example to your mind. I have this visual where you uncover the tat - scream - and run away yelling "oh nooo!"

For me, it was the small-of-the-back tat that side "50 cents for the first minute, 25 cents per minute thereafter".
Yeah, I'm old.

Seriously, I'm putting my retirement savings in tat removal. When the cherries turn to apples, they'll pay.

OldLineTexan


At one time, I was anti-tat. One day, I just changed my mind. We jumped on the Harley, went to Little Vinnies, and I got one.

I have only two, and I like them. So there. (They are both cats - a panther and chinese cats - oddly enough).

I got nothing against your tats. But I am pretty sure that many of the little hotties with those ubiquitous back tats will one day be grannies with love handles and a need for redecoration. It's just about the money with me. I do not fool with other people's tastes.

BTW, Harleys require tats, if I read the rules right. So you go, girl, and you tell the Mr. I approve of his taste in women.

OldLineTexan

397 rab3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:47:43pm

re: #393 rightwinger3

This is great AP headline on Yahoo!:

Republicans, Paul clash over Iraq war

Notice Ron Paul is not called a republican.

398 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:47:52pm
399 Racer X  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:48:19pm

re: #387 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

re: #380 Mich-again

We all want some more BUSH.

Hey-O!

Maybe not full bush. Neat little landing strip is nice.

400 ROPMA  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:48:23pm

re: #368 Mich-again

I don't think Rudy is the one. The GOP candidate will have to beat Hillary. If Rudy gets the GOP nod, then Ron Paul will run as an Independent and will give Hillary the erection with a 42% popular vote. (No PIMF, I meant that)

Quite right we NEED true conservatives.

401 gamegrid  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:48:37pm

Giuliani could flip off the audience and tell them all to "Go to hell."...

and he'd still win this poll at LGF.

402 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:48:50pm

re: #395 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Whats going to happen come election time, when the paulians find out they are only allowed to vote once. I predict a lot of crying and claiming that a the election was rigged.

403 ChenZhen  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:49:03pm

re: #342 Cattt

re: #315 ChenZhen


re: #291 Abu Bin Squid

#271 Chen
I agree that Huck was good. That doesn't answer which horse you've got in this race. Your posts and blog render you an outsider (dem). I bet you've got an Obama bumper sticker on your vehicle, placed directly over the Kerry/Edwards sticker. Am I wrong?

Yes. No bumper stickers on my ride. It's like putting a tattoo on a hot woman. It kinda ruins it.

I sooo want to ask about what horrific experience brought that example to your mind. I have this visual where you uncover the tat - scream - and run away yelling "oh nooo!"

I have a saying, that's all. A tattoo on a hot woman is like putting a bumper sticker on a Ferrari. It just ruins it IMO.

/not that I drive a Ferrari

404 NY Nana  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:49:14pm

re: #377 Pope Ron Paul II

ROTFLMAOOO! That nic! So when he loses, what will you do? :)

405 rab3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:49:25pm

re: #399 Racer X

re: #387 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

re: #380 Mich-again

We all want some more BUSH.

Hey-O!

Maybe not full bush. Neat little landing strip is nice.

Pretty much thinking Hillary has a whole airport down there. With a large concourse to boot.

406 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:49:40pm

re: #399 Racer X

Maybe a Howie Mandel cut.

407 Catttt  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:49:48pm

re: #379 Retread

#333

My favorite Churchill zinger remains:

Dinner companion: Mr. Churchill, you are drunk!

Churchill: And you, madam, are ugly. Tomorrow I shall be sober.

Here's one I really love, from another prime minister to yet another prime minister:

William Gladstone and Benjamin Disraeli hated each other. Supposedly, Gladstone once said to Disraeli, "I predict, Sir, that you will die either by hanging or of some vile disease."

Disraeli replied, "That all depends, sir, upon whether I embrace your principles or your mistress."

408 Highrise  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:49:54pm

re: #340 Racer X

And to all the candidates that are reading this blog - you know who you are - you all did a decent job tonight.

Except for, you know.

haha Amen!

When you look at the Republicans debating then look at the dems debating. Not even a contest. The dems are flat embarassing. After all, one of their candidates said God wanted Iowa to vote first. I about died.

409 NY Nana  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:49:57pm

re: #397 rab3

How can you call a Martian a Republican?

410 Constitutionalist  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:50:01pm

None of the above... yet...

411 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:50:03pm
412 lowandslow  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:50:07pm

re: #397 rab3

re: #393 rightwinger3

This is great AP headline on Yahoo!:

Republicans, Paul clash over Iraq war

Notice Ron Paul is not called a republican.

That's because Paul isn't a Republican.

413 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:50:15pm

re: #363 cbinflux

Loveyoumuch but? null

414 Galactacus  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:50:23pm

Okay , somene answer me this...
How many times have WE mentioned Ron Paul tonight?
...let's not let our guard down Lizards.
FOCUS!
GAZE Into my iii's!
Fred and Condoleezza

415 bikermailman  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:50:31pm

re: #361 rab3

re: #356 OldLineTexan


re: #342 Cattt

re: #315 ChenZhen

re: #291 Abu Bin Squid

#271 Chen
I agree that Huck was good. That doesn't answer which horse you've got in this race. Your posts and blog render you an outsider (dem). I bet you've got an Obama bumper sticker on your vehicle, placed directly over the Kerry/Edwards sticker. Am I wrong?

Yes. No bumper stickers on my ride. It's like putting a tattoo on a hot woman. It kinda ruins it.

I sooo want to ask about what horrific experience brought that example to your mind. I have this visual where you uncover the tat - scream - and run away yelling "oh nooo!"

For me, it was the small-of-the-back tat that side "50 cents for the first minute, 25 cents per minute thereafter".

Yeah, I'm old.

Seriously, I'm putting my retirement savings in tat removal. When the cherries turn to apples, they'll pay.

OldLineTexan


Oh God Chen is back.

Aww, leave 'im alone. He's been contributing, no sniping or anything. Remember, we took up for you the other night... :P

416 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:50:39pm

re: #343 NY Nana

Don't ask unless you have a week for an answer! beloved cat in the process of dying, main client cuts my hours/income by half, refrigerator dies, slumlord sues me on bogus grounds to try to break my (NYC) lease, my sister is diagnosed with liver cancer, brother is being pursued by the most vindictive ex-wife on the planet, and my cell phone died.

Other than that, all is well. (Some days, it just doesn't pay to gnaw through the leather straps.)

417 Syrah  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:51:35pm

re: #388 goodbye_natalie

Thats the calculus that allows me to get past my paleo-conservatism and consider voting for Rudy in the General.

The Washington state primary is not going to make much of a difference. It will be over before I get a chance to have a say.

Any Republican (Ron Paul don't count) over any Democrat.

418 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:51:38pm

re: #405 rab3

re: #399 Racer X


re: #387 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

re: #380 Mich-again

We all want some more BUSH.

Hey-O!


Maybe not full bush. Neat little landing strip is nice.

Pretty much thinking Hillary has a whole airport down there. With a large concourse to boot.

They have samples they call "Hillary" in every carpet store in Long Island.

419 NY Nana  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:51:38pm

re: #386 Racer X

Not so sure 'she' is a she.

420 rightwinger3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:51:39pm

re: #412 lowandslow

AP even recognizes that. That's telling.

421 rw in san diego  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:51:54pm

re: #401 gamegrid

Giuliani could flip off the audience and tell them all to "Go to hell."...

As the audience seemed to be stacked with a lot of Ron Paul supporters, I confess I, for one, wouldn't have a problem with it.

422 The Other Les  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:51:57pm

re: #403 ChenZhen

re: #342 Cattt

re: #315 ChenZhen


re: #291 Abu Bin Squid


#271 Chen
I agree that Huck was good. That doesn't answer which horse you've got in this race. Your posts and blog render you an outsider (dem). I bet you've got an Obama bumper sticker on your vehicle, placed directly over the Kerry/Edwards sticker. Am I wrong?


Yes. No bumper stickers on my ride. It's like putting a tattoo on a hot woman. It kinda ruins it.


I sooo want to ask about what horrific experience brought that example to your mind. I have this visual where you uncover the tat - scream - and run away yelling "oh nooo!"

I have a saying, that's all. A tattoo on a hot woman is like putting a bumper sticker on a Ferrari. It just ruins it IMO.


Yeah. That bugs me too.

423 rab3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:51:58pm

re: #409 NY Nana

re: #397 rab3

How can you call a Martian a Republican?

True, True, But he is our favorite one.

424 pink freud  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:52:05pm

Ron Paul on dismantling the CIA:

"they are full of mischief"

425 Racer X  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:52:13pm

re: #396 OldLineTexan

I got nothing against your tats. But I am pretty sure that many of the little hotties with those ubiquitous back tats will one day be grannies with love handles and a need for redecoration.


I agree - subtle tats can be nice.

The large "tramp stamps" on the lower back are a turn off to me.

/apologies if I offend

426 Colonel Panik  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:52:33pm

re: #379 Retread

#333

My favorite Churchill zinger remains:

Dinner companion: Mr. Churchill, you are drunk!

Churchill: And you, madam, are ugly. Tomorrow I shall be sober.

I liked this one:

Dinner companion: Winston, if you were my husband I'd put poison in your whiskey.

Churchill: If you were my wife, madam, I'd drink it!

427 DJ  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:52:36pm

re: #27 WrathofG-d

I was going to answer your question but you already did.

You just left out that he blames the United States for 9/11.

428 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:52:40pm

Shouldn't that be...

We need TRUE conservatives?

What is a true conservative? What is a true liberal. What the hell is Ron Paul?

Ron Paul steals democrat votes at least at a 3/2 ratio over republican votes.

That's TRUE republican votes.

I can do the math.

429 Galactacus  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:52:42pm

re: #416 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

re: #343 NY Nana

Don't ask unless you have a week for an answer! beloved cat in the process of dying, main client cuts my hours/income by half, refrigerator dies, slumlord sues me on bogus grounds to try to break my (NYC) lease, my sister is diagnosed with liver cancer, brother is being pursued by the most vindictive ex-wife on the planet, and my cell phone died.

Other than that, all is well. (Some days, it just doesn't pay to gnaw through the leather straps.)

Sorry to hear about your fridge...That Sux!

430 Stuck-in-CA  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:53:04pm

re: #285 Ginn

I love Rudy.

yeah, I used to "love" Bush too. But these guys have a way of breaking your heart. I still like Bush on some issues, but the bloom is off the rose. So don't get too infatuated with politicians, Ginn.

431 NY Nana  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:53:05pm

re: #411 song_and_dance_man

We wait for the smoke from the stack.

:) I wish I had thought of that myself!

432 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:53:14pm

I'm just here for liveblogging the Fred! announcement.

433 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:53:22pm

re: #418 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

With a large concourse to boot.

So to speak.

434 Catttt  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:53:23pm

re: #389 Galactacus

Ron Paul is a Jittery Merkat.

ROFL! Now every time I see him I'll think of that.

435 NY Nana  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:53:59pm

re: #423 rab3

He'd be light years ahead of Onray Aulpay.

436 rab3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:54:21pm

re: #415 bikermailman

re: #361 rab3

re: #356 OldLineTexan


re: #342 Cattt


re: #315 ChenZhen

re: #291 Abu Bin Squid

#271 Chen
I agree that Huck was good. That doesn't answer which horse you've got in this race. Your posts and blog render you an outsider (dem). I bet you've got an Obama bumper sticker on your vehicle, placed directly over the Kerry/Edwards sticker. Am I wrong?


Yes. No bumper stickers on my ride. It's like putting a tattoo on a hot woman. It kinda ruins it.


I sooo want to ask about what horrific experience brought that example to your mind. I have this visual where you uncover the tat - scream - and run away yelling "oh nooo!"


For me, it was the small-of-the-back tat that side "50 cents for the first minute, 25 cents per minute thereafter".Yeah, I'm old.

Seriously, I'm putting my retirement savings in tat removal. When the cherries turn to apples, they'll pay.

OldLineTexan


Oh God Chen is back.

Aww, leave 'im alone. He's been contributing, no sniping or anything. Remember, we took up for you the other night... :P

I know, I apologized a few posts back. No dust ups for me. The last one left a mark. No friendly fire incidents.

437 Pope Ron Paul II  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:54:47pm

I'm not new. I just confine most of my comments to the lounge. On Sundays, I sometimes hold services there (in a room I create). I also hear confessions (sins against conservatism).

438 Da_Beerfreak  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:54:49pm

re: #379 Retread

#333

My favorite Churchill zinger remains:

Dinner companion: Mr. Churchill, you are drunk!

Churchill: And you, madam, are ugly. Tomorrow I shall be sober.

Churchill and Lady Astor had some really great exchanges.
Lady Astor: "If you were my husband I would poison your tea."
W. S. Churchill: "If I were your husband I'd drink it!"

439 Ron Paul  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:54:50pm

re: #381 The Other Les

I ment to say only go to war if it is extremely aggressive, and reduces the enemy's GNP to less than 10 percent of prewar GNP, oh and leaves thier country littered with depleted uranium (U-238) and land mines. oh also unexploded cluster bomb munitions.

440 rab3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:55:09pm

re: #418 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

re: #405 rab3

re: #399 Racer X


re: #387 YourTaxDollarsAtWork


re: #380 Mich-againWe all want some more BUSH.

Hey-O!


Maybe not full bush. Neat little landing strip is nice.


Pretty much thinking Hillary has a whole airport down there. With a large concourse to boot.

They have samples they call "Hillary" in every carpet store in Long Island.

ROFLOL

441 Colonel Panik  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:55:13pm

re: #405 rab3

re: #399 Racer X

re: #387 YourTaxDollarsAtWork
re: #380 Mich-again

We all want some more BUSH.

Hey-O!

Maybe not full bush. Neat little landing strip is nice.
Pretty much thinking Hillary has a whole airport down there. With a large concourse to boot.

She's got a Stalin moustache.

442 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:55:16pm
443 OldLineTexan  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:55:31pm

re: #430 Stuck-in-CA

re: #285 Ginn


I love Rudy.

yeah, I used to "love" Bush too. But these guys have a way of breaking your heart. I still like Bush on some issues, but the bloom is off the rose. So don't get too infatuated with politicians, Ginn.

Damnitalltohell, where's my 11-foot pole? Look at that tee-up!

OldLineTexan

444 Stuck-in-CA  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:55:50pm

re: #309 song_and_dance_man

Go ahead and poo poo Fred. I think his strategy is perfection. He will seem like a breath of fresh air amongst the candidates. I predict he will come across Reaganisque and will plant all those whom he opposes in their own softshoes with ease with the exception of Rudy, with his homespun talk and recognizable celebrity. And not only that he is a conservative whose mold is different than than the one where Guiliani was cast.

I look forward to Dalton handing Muffer her Carpetbag and showing her the door.

we shall see. He is either all smoke and mirrors and PR, or he has real substance. We just don't know yet. But the word is that he too is open borders. That will take him off my list.

445 Galactacus  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:56:14pm

re: #434 Cattt

re: #389 Galactacus


Ron Paul is a Jittery Merkat.

ROFL! Now every time I see him I'll think of that.

Well...I save my best material for Sept.5 ,Kinda hoping Charles might flesh the idea out a bit..

446 rab3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:56:14pm

re: #441 Colonel Panik

re: #405 rab3

re: #399 Racer X

re: #387 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

re: #380 Mich-againWe all want some more BUSH.

Hey-O!

Maybe not full bush. Neat little landing strip is nice.

Pretty much thinking Hillary has a whole airport down there. With a large concourse to boot.

She's got a Stalin moustache.

Ok, beer out the nose time. LOL

447 bikermailman[deleted]  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:56:23pm
448 Fearless Freep  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:56:49pm

concerning my earlier remarks about Dick Morris talking about Fred Thompson:

I couldn't find an article but as I recall Morris mentioned some funding abuses... one was using campaign funds to pay Thompson's son a salary for a no-show job for 4 years. In my opinion this will be a big issue for the MSM because they will want to draw attention away from the many Clinton funding abuses which will inevitably come to light after the parties select their candidates... Probably "unelectable" was too strong a word but the MSM will make a big attempt to hang the moniker of "corrupt" over Thompson if he is the Republican nominee

449 Racer X  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:57:08pm

re: #433 cbinflux

re: #418 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

With a large concourse to boot.
So to speak.

LOL!

450 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:57:12pm

Whre: #424 pink freud

Ron Paul on dismantling the CIA:

"they are full of mischief"


Whenever Ron Paul talks about intelligence he is spouting the exact sort of crap that you will find at OSS.net. And they are Trufers to the core. Go there but put on hip waders first. Steele is the Tokyo Rose of Cheney Derangement syndrome, and he also happens to be one of Amazon.com's most prolific book reviewers. He is a cockroach and Paul is his boooy.

451 bikermailman  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:57:15pm

re: #386 Racer X

re: #368 Mich-again


...give Hillary the erection

Not sure she would want that. It's been quite a few years you know.

ppssst...they have strap-ons you know...
/just sayin'

452 The Other Les  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:57:20pm

re: #439 Ron Paul

re: #381 The Other Les

I ment to say only go to war if it is extremely aggressive, and reduces the enemy's GNP to less than 10 percent of prewar GNP, oh and leaves thier country littered with depleted uranium (U-238) and land mines. oh also unexploded cluster bomb munitions.

Hey, as long as you kick ass.

453 Whammo  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:57:34pm

Don't forget that Rudy beat cancer with one hand tied behind his back...

454 Highrise  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:58:00pm

re: #448 Fearless Freep


Ok thanks Fearless. I think Morris is pretty brilliant when it comes to political strategy..he usually is spot on.

455 Piglet-U93  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:58:01pm

re: #439 Ron Paul

re: #381 The Other Les

I ment to say only go to war if it is extremely aggressive, and reduces the enemy's GNP to less than 10 percent of prewar GNP, oh and leaves thier country littered with depleted uranium (U-238) and land mines. oh also unexploded cluster bomb munitions.

Modern Warfare - there is no real reason to occupy anymore, repeat as needed until lesson learned.

456 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:58:07pm

re: #448 Fearless Freep

How many do you need?

457 Catttt  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:58:18pm

re: #422 The Other Les

re: #403 ChenZhen


re: #342 Cattt

re: #315 ChenZhen

re: #291 Abu Bin Squid

#271 Chen
I agree that Huck was good. That doesn't answer which horse you've got in this race. Your posts and blog render you an outsider (dem). I bet you've got an Obama bumper sticker on your vehicle, placed directly over the Kerry/Edwards sticker. Am I wrong?

Yes. No bumper stickers on my ride. It's like putting a tattoo on a hot woman. It kinda ruins it.

I sooo want to ask about what horrific experience brought that example to your mind. I have this visual where you uncover the tat - scream - and run away yelling "oh nooo!"

I have a saying, that's all. A tattoo on a hot woman is like putting a bumper sticker on a Ferrari. It just ruins it IMO.

Yeah. That bugs me too.

OK, guys. I'm starting to think you're talking hot woman in a picture on the 'net instead of a REAL woman. Silly me thinking you had actual experience with this hot woman thing.

Keep in mind - a hot woman in the hand (with a tat) is worth two hot women (without tats) on the 'net.

458 Outrider  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:58:28pm

re: #429 Galactacus

re: #416 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)
re: #343 NY Nana
Don't ask unless you have a week for an answer! beloved cat in the process of dying, main client cuts my hours/income by half, refrigerator dies, slumlord sues me on bogus grounds to try to break my (NYC) lease, my sister is diagnosed with liver cancer, brother is being pursued by the most vindictive ex-wife on the planet, and my cell phone died.
Other than that, all is well. (Some days, it just doesn't pay to gnaw through the leather straps.)
Sorry to hear about your fridge...That Sux!


Dude. Thats cold. ;-)>

459 NY Nana  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:58:30pm

re: #432 Dar ul Harb

Dar

Start live blogging.

460 Galactacus  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:58:34pm

Harry Reid is a Merkat Mole, who's sole purpose is to ply the way for his Jittery Friend,Ron Paul.
The DEM party is Merkat Manor.

461 Sodra Djavul  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:59:01pm

re: #352 Mich-again

re: #331 Sodra Djavul

10% Tax Rate across the board, for all individuals, for all corporations, no itemized deductions

Umm yeah, except for the part about how.. like none of us would have a job after you got through with the first part. Be wary of the Etch a Sketch solutions.

Cutting government welfare will land you in the unemployment line? Umm... Well, why are you going to be voting Republican anyway?

462 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:59:03pm

fred is now on leno.

463 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:59:05pm

Please welcome Fred Thompson...

464 Fearless Freep  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:59:12pm

Thomson just walked onto the stage on Leno

465 Ron Paul  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:59:17pm

re: #428 really grumpy big dog Johnson

my gay, yellow dog democrat neighbor loves ron paul!

466 Highrise  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 8:59:33pm

ron paul thinks we should be chatting with iran. He made some pathetic comment that led me to believe he felt the ieae was taking care of it and he was complying. I don't recall the exact wording but it just showed me he is very dangerous for our country.

467 bikermailman  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:00:06pm

re: #399 Racer X

re: #387 YourTaxDollarsAtWork


re: #380 Mich-again

We all want some more BUSH.

Hey-O!


Maybe not full bush. Neat little landing strip is nice.

Yeah, that 1970s, Buckwheat on a bad hair day thing...
{shudder}

468 NY Nana  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:00:11pm

re: #442 song_and_dance_man

Nope. Just avoiding having to type --- ---.

469 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:00:16pm

re: #465 Ron Paul

re: #428 really grumpy big dog Johnson

my gay, yellow dog democrat neighbor loves ron paul!


So, is he in love with you?

470 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:00:20pm

"I'm runnin' for President of the United States."
--Fred!

471 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:00:20pm

Alan Colmes has to be the most internally conflicted person on the planet.

Glad I'm not him!

472 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:00:56pm

Okay, they're about to repeat the whole debate, starting now...

(Just returned from HGTV to FN)

473 rab3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:01:04pm

re: #462 newsjunkie_ky

fred is now on leno.

Not in my time zone.

474 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:01:19pm

"I decided that it was time for me to step up. And so I did."

475 Constitutionalist  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:01:28pm

Ron Paul=Kook

476 NY Nana  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:01:39pm

re: #471 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I wish I had a magic wand that would just make him disappear.

477 Racer X  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:01:42pm

re: #465 Ron Paul

re: #428 really grumpy big dog Johnson

my gay, yellow dog democrat neighbor loves ron paul!

And you let him?

478 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:01:47pm

re: #457 Cattt

CZ, "I told Charles that he could have her, NO WAY I'm taking a 10 with a tat! It's a wonder he can function at all. Always my wingman, never an Ace..."

479 bikermailman  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:01:48pm

re: #405 rab3

re: #399 Racer X


re: #387 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

re: #380 Mich-again

We all want some more BUSH.

Hey-O!


Maybe not full bush. Neat little landing strip is nice.

Pretty much thinking Hillary has a whole airport down there. With a large concourse to boot.

ARRRGGGHHH My eyes!

480 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:02:10pm
481 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:02:11pm

Fred needs to stop clearing his throat and hitting his hand with his other hand (not clapping).

482 Sodra Djavul  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:02:22pm

re: #379 Retread

#333

My favorite Churchill zinger remains:

Dinner companion: Mr. Churchill, you are drunk!

Churchill: And you, madam, are ugly. Tomorrow I shall be sober.

That was actually a female political opponent. Kinda like an off-the-cuff conversation between Newt Gingrich and Nancy Pelosi.

483 pink freud  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:02:26pm

For those who switched to Fred! ...

Fox announces their text poll results and Ron Paul comes in first with 33%, then Hunter, then Rudy with 15%.

484 rab3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:02:37pm

re: #479 bikermailman

re: #405 rab3

re: #399 Racer X


re: #387 YourTaxDollarsAtWork


re: #380 Mich-againWe all want some more BUSH.

Hey-O!


Maybe not full bush. Neat little landing strip is nice.


Pretty much thinking Hillary has a whole airport down there. With a large concourse to boot.

ARRRGGGHHH My eyes!

Keep going it gets worse.

485 ROPMA  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:02:40pm

This i the crucial part of the vote to get

486 Ron Paul  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:02:48pm

re: #469 newsjunkie_ky

I ment the non lizard, presidential candidate, congressman paul.

487 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:02:51pm

re: #473 rab3

re: #462 newsjunkie_ky


fred is now on leno.

Not in my time zone.

Sorry.

488 NY Nana  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:02:56pm

re: #466 Highrise

IIRC, he has said that before. He is a creepy little thing.

489 Retread  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:03:04pm

Another Churchill witticism:

G.B. Shaw: Have reserved two tickets for you openning night. Bring a friend, if you have one.

Churchill: Can't possibly attend opening. Please reserve tickets for second night, if there is one.

490 Conserve Liberty  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:03:06pm

re: #7 Izzy Dunne

It only took 7 comments!

CL

491 ChenZhen  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:03:26pm

I will say that I was disappointed that the Larry Craig subject came up. I've had my laughs over the whole affair, sure, but it has no place in a presidential debate IMO.

492 justacanuck  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:03:33pm

Glenn Beck on terrorism: "It is either kill or be killed."

Seems like a good guy. Gotta wonder about the motives of that traitorous CNN running Beck on the under-watched HLN.

493 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:03:42pm

re: #461 Sodra DjavulYou posted...

Cut them. Let them starve

Starve millions of people to death? Yeah thats the ticket. Thats what I maen by Etch a Sketch solutions. Turn it upside down, shake it and it disappears so you can start over from scratch. It doesn't work like that in the real world.

494 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:03:51pm

"The nation's not going to be hurt by having one more good person step into the race."

495 Ron Paul  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:03:58pm

re: #477 Racer X

no no dammit! I did not stick my left hand under the divider!

496 Galactacus  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:04:02pm

re: #481 newsjunkie_ky

Fred needs to stop clearing his throat and hitting his hand with his other hand (not clapping).


Slapping the knee like that is "CODE" for "I'm crushing your head!"

497 rab3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:04:25pm

re: #487 newsjunkie_ky

re: #473 rab3

re: #462 newsjunkie_ky


fred is now on leno.


Not in my time zone.

Sorry.

Damn you Mountain Time Zone.

498 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:04:55pm

re: #483 pink freud

For those who switched to Fred! ...

Fox announces their text poll results and Ron Paul comes in first with 33%, then Hunter, then Rudy with 15%.

Did they announce it with a straight face?
Did you notice laughter from the candidates every time ronpaul was asked a question?

499 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:04:56pm

I didn't watch, so I didn't vote.

/Go Rudy!

500 Constitutionalist  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:04:59pm

Let's sit down and have tea and crumpets with Iran

501 bikermailman[deleted]  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:05:01pm
502 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:05:42pm

Is it fair to question some of the plea bargain deals that Fred Thompson made as the DA?

503 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:05:43pm
504 ChenZhen  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:05:58pm

Fox is replaying the debate now...

505 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:06:08pm

"Tonight after the show is over we're gonna have a website, fred08.com."

506 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:06:24pm

re: #483 pink freud

For those who switched to Fred! ...

Fox announces their text poll results and Ron Paul comes in first with 33%, then Hunter, then Rudy with 15%.

Clay Aiken is gaining. 99c/vote

507 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:06:28pm

re: #491 ChenZhen

I will say that I was disappointed that the Larry Craig subject came up. I've had my laughs over the whole affair, sure, but it has no place in a presidential debate IMO.


But Hunter (I think) had a great line about the dems that get in trouble are given chairmanships. I loved that.

508 NY Nana  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:07:00pm

re: #429 Galactacus

That is a really shitty reply.

509 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:07:30pm

re: #505 Dar ul Harb

I tried and the server for Fred08.com was melllting...melllting..

510 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:07:44pm

"It's a lot more difficult to get on the Tonight Show than it is to get into a presidential debate."--Fred! tagline for the first segment

511 Catttt  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:08:15pm

re: #487 newsjunkie_ky

re: #473 rab3


re: #462 newsjunkie_ky

fred is now on leno.

Not in my time zone.

Sorry.

I have no idea what channel "Leno" appears on. I'm not a huge TV person.

512 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:08:33pm

re: #502 Mich-again

Is it fair to question some of the plea bargain deals that Fred Thompson made as the DA?

No, nor caving to Clinton blackmail, nor having remarkable personal/family success at Lobbying.

513 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:08:34pm

First commercial up after the segment... Viagra.

514 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:08:39pm

re: #504 ChenZhen

Live blogging tv... What would we do without you, Chen?

515 rab3[deleted]  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:08:39pm
516 Conserve Liberty  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:09:09pm

re: #44 Lucius Septimius

Not a math or statistics question - it's a behavioral psychology question. Only works for the undecided - but then when was the last time a lizard was undecided?

517 pink freud  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:09:13pm

re: #498 newsjunkie_ky

Sean looked like he was trying not to gag. He kept his composure.

518 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:09:36pm

Fred08.com is a site where you have to "join" to see the content.

Na-ga-dew

519 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:10:00pm

re: #511 Cattt

NBC, I think.

520 Fearless Freep  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:10:17pm

The Ron-Paulians are gonna party tonight!

Youtube Video

521 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:10:18pm

re: #506 cbinflux

re: #483 pink freud


For those who switched to Fred! ...

Fox announces their text poll results and Ron Paul comes in first with 33%, then Hunter, then Rudy with 15%.


Clay Aiken is gaining. 99c/vote


I didn't get this at first, but are you talking about the crazy 'claymates' that vote in force in any poll that includes Clay Aiken?
I have a couple friends that are INSANE over him. I think it's a middle age lady kinda thing.

522 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:10:28pm

re: #512 cbinfluxYou know I was talking about his character on Law and Order right?

523 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:10:37pm

re: #518 Mich-again

Fred08.com is a site where you have to "join" to see the content.

Na-ga-dew

Wudent bee proodunt

524 Sodra Djavul  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:10:55pm

re: #493 Mich-again

re: #461 Sodra DjavulYou posted...

Cut them. Let them starve

Starve millions of people to death? Yeah thats the ticket. Thats what I maen by Etch a Sketch solutions. Turn it upside down, shake it and it disappears so you can start over from scratch. It doesn't work like that in the real world.

Sure it does. Let them starve. Why should I bother feeding them? What do they do for me that helps enforce the life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

And if I recall correctly, it almost worked exactly like that in 1861. And worked exactly like that in 1776. And in 1583. And in 1185. And... need I go further?

525 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:11:07pm

re: #523 cbinflux
LOL!

526 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:11:11pm

re: #518 Mich-again

Really? How elitist can you get?

527 Racer X  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:11:13pm

OT

Is Clinton's candidacy blocking 'Path to 9/11'?


The $40-million, five-hour ABC miniseries, which recently received seven Emmy nominations and drew a combined two-night audience of more than 25 million viewers, is for now on the path to nowhere. Its Amazon page reads: "Currently unavailable. We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock."

With no date for the release, questions are being raised about whether political pressure is behind its current status as a stalled or discarded DVD project. The reasons are murky, but the miniseries' writer, Cyrus Nowrasteh, believes it's crystal clear: Powerful forces are out to protect Bill Clinton's presidential legacy and shield Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) from any potential collateral damage in her bid for the White House.

528 DesertSage  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:11:22pm

re: #514 Sharmuta

re: #504 ChenZhen

Live blogging tv... What would we do without you, Chen?

I could think of a few things.
I don't know why you continue to play his little game. I will never, ever forgive or forget what he did to me on his blog!

529 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:11:25pm

re: #518 Mich-again

Fred08.com is a site where you have to "join" to see the content.

Na-ga-dew

The campaign site isn't live yet, I suspect.

The signup was the pre-campaign site.

530 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:11:32pm
531 justacanuck  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:11:45pm

re: #505 Dar ul Harb

"Tonight after the show is over we're gonna have a website, fred08.com."

That domain was purchased on Feb 27, 2007. Nice to see they were planning ahead, albeit on such a trivial thing as registering a name.

532 maximoso  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:12:00pm

RUDI

RUDI

RUDI

RUDI

Huckabee stepping on Ron Paul's jugular was entertaining too. I was waiting for him to cry uncle and forfeit the debate after their firey exchange.

533 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:12:18pm

re: #524 Sodra Djavul

Sure it does

No it doesn't. Dead bodies don't disappear.

534 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:12:18pm

Leno shows fake bumpersticker:

"Fred Thompson: He Has A Narrow Stance"

535 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:12:20pm

521/522

Only my gift of obtusity explains it.

536 winston06  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:12:39pm

stormfront.org, david duke, whitepower, all supporting Ron Paul. Every video of Ron Paul supporters is exclusively "dis-affected" twenty something whites.

Got the picture now?

537 Galactacus  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:12:53pm

C-SPAN, Tomorrow at 7AM!...You Lizards want Pure, flat out Political head to heads? Tune in and CALL! You will get another look into how Drone-like the RonPaul freaks are...they fill the lines and Monbats call in as Republicans...It's
I realize that most of us are still sleeping, at or on the way to a job or running a company but WE need to recognize the venue of 'Washington Journal' on Cspan..it is on Every Morning...
Treat yourself to a steaming helping of Cspan TV and try to fathom what the hell it all means...

538 winston06  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:13:15pm

Go Fred... I hope he picks Duncan Hunter as Sec.Def too if he is elected thou

539 ChenZhen  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:13:15pm

re: #514 Sharmuta

re: #504 ChenZhen

Live blogging tv... What would we do without you, Chen?

Well, I missed some parts, so I thought I'd mention it for others in the same boat.

Anyway, my popularity around here appears to be a matter of debate in and of itself lol.

540 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:13:16pm

re: #525 Mich-again

I get your mat'l...

541 Highrise  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:13:30pm

re: #528 DesertSage

Anyone who does what he does..and then posts a post on lgfwatch what he did under a thread that is meant to attack charles'..can frick off.

*gaze* on him.

542 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:13:49pm

"We can't afford to go into a situation and not show resolve."
Fred on Iraq

543 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:13:53pm

re: #527 Racer X

OT

Is Clinton's candidacy blocking 'Path to 9/11'?


The $40-million, five-hour ABC miniseries, which recently received seven Emmy nominations and drew a combined two-night audience of more than 25 million viewers, is for now on the path to nowhere. Its Amazon page reads: "Currently unavailable. We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock."
With no date for the release, questions are being raised about whether political pressure is behind its current status as a stalled or discarded DVD project. The reasons are murky, but the miniseries' writer, Cyrus Nowrasteh, believes it's crystal clear: Powerful forces are out to protect Bill Clinton's presidential legacy and shield Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) from any potential collateral damage in her bid for the White House.


YES, clintons are blocking the release. We need to email abc/disney to get them to release. I would love to have a copy on dvd.

544 justacanuck  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:14:04pm

re: #527 Racer X

OT

Is Clinton's candidacy blocking 'Path to 9/11'?


The $40-million, five-hour ABC miniseries, which recently received seven Emmy nominations and drew a combined two-night audience of more than 25 million viewers, is for now on the path to nowhere. Its Amazon page reads: "Currently unavailable. We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock."With no date for the release, questions are being raised about whether political pressure is behind its current status as a stalled or discarded DVD project. The reasons are murky, but the miniseries' writer, Cyrus Nowrasteh, believes it's crystal clear: Powerful forces are out to protect Bill Clinton's presidential legacy and shield Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) from any potential collateral damage in her bid for the White House.

Screw those idjits in their attempt to keep this from the public. I just finished downloading it an hour ago via torrent. Nuthin' escapes the reach of the net.

545 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:14:39pm

re: #537 Galactacus

steaming

Dog turds steam on the backyard lawn in the winter. For a while anyway.

546 Stuck-in-CA  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:14:49pm

re: #471 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Alan Colmes has to be the most internally conflicted person on the planet.

Glad I'm not him!

not to mention ugly

547 rab3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:14:50pm

I still say this is Ron Paul. I mean look the mother ship is right behind him.

548 Sodra Djavul  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:15:28pm

re: #533 Mich-again

re: #524 Sodra Djavul

Sure it does

No it doesn't. Dead bodies don't disappear.

Actually they do. Bacteria and all.

"The poor you have with you always..."

Okay, fine. But why in the hell do they have the power to penalize those who make this country great?

Let them starve. No cake for you.

549 Lee  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:15:32pm

I would just like to take this opportunity to mention Ron Paul.

550 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:15:56pm

re: #540 cbinfluxHeck I know what cbinflux means. I used to have a handle. Bring it back. Over.

551 Racer X  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:15:59pm

re: #549 Lee

I would just like to take this opportunity to mention Ron Paul.

Who?

552 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:16:36pm

Why do we care if other countries "like us"?

553 ChenZhen  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:16:40pm

re: #457 Cattt

OK, guys. I'm starting to think you're talking hot woman in a picture on the 'net instead of a REAL woman. Silly me thinking you had actual experience with this hot woman thing.

Keep in mind - a hot woman in the hand (with a tat) is worth two hot women (without tats) on the 'net.

I'll concede that point. LOL The same would go for the Farrari I suppose.

554 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:16:55pm
555 HeatherRadish  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:16:58pm

RuPaul!

556 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:17:14pm

Something that Romney said that I noticed the first time, but did not comment on...

Romney says that the governor has no authority over municipalities that don't follow federal law.

That is SO wrong. Basically, all municipal governments are subsidiary creations of the state government, and not a fourth branch of government. If a municipal government does not comply with state edict, the governor or the state government has stern powers to discipline, censure, dismiss, or prosecute those who willfully disobey their lawful duty to obey the dictates of their superior authorities, within the confines of US law.

And if you don't believe that, you are living on planet Mars. The governor has the right to call out the state national guard to remedy any unlawful disobedience within the state, including municipal rebellion against the law, in times of extreme disorder.

Romney is a hack. He doesn't even know how government works.

557 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:17:19pm

"You can't ever tell what the facts on the ground are going to be a year from now."

"They are sending in these improvided explosive devices. They are training Iraqi militants and sending them back into Iraq. They are sponsoring Hezballah, who even now is probably planning another attack on Israel."

--Fred on Iran

558 Sodra Djavul  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:17:36pm

Ron Paul will be America's gynecologist.

If you aren't equipped with one, by God's grand design, by god you'll have one after he's done with you...

559 NY Nana  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:18:04pm

re: #416 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

I feel so badly. You must feel like you've been hit by a train.

Ca of the liver? I am a retired RN, and will not give you any platitudes. It is very rough. Very. When bad things happen to good people...damn.

We are also tenants in what is now a co-op. We refused to buy. And you already know the rest.

We are in Mamaroneck.

Please email me whenever you like...I am almost always home.

And take care of yourself, please!

560 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:18:06pm

re: #548 Sodra DjavulThe poor people aren't the problem. The rich Libs who need to keep them poor in order to to stay in power are the problem.

561 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:18:32pm

re: #547 rab3

I still say this is Ron Paul. I mean look the mother ship is right behind him.

Before I clicked on the link I thought it was going to be that applewhite (was that his name) the leader of the cult 'heaven's gate'. Ronpaul does remind me of him.

562 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:18:57pm

Fred leaves the stage...

563 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:19:26pm

re: #528 DesertSage

I wasn't facetious enough?

re: #539 ChenZhen

Yeah- well... What did you expect when you started posting at the creepy stalker blog?

564 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:21:10pm

"improvised" my mistake, not Fred's.

565 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:21:13pm
566 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:21:13pm

re: #541 Highrise

re: #528 DesertSage

Anyone who does what he does..and then posts a post on lgfwatch what he did under a thread that is meant to attack charles'..can frick off.

*gaze* on him.

Don't be haters. Just determined and dedicated Sergeants at Arms.

/

All you have to do is follow three simple rules. One, never underestimate your opponent. Expect the unexpected. Two, take it outside. Never start anything inside the bar unless it's absolutely necessary. And three, be nice.
567 Sodra Djavul  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:21:21pm

re: #562 Dar ul Harb

Fred leaves the stage...

Exit right. Time to go surf for Fred Thompson porn. heh

I like Fred, but, ummm... it's starting to look like he's not willing to engage in debate, and that's a bad thing...

568 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:22:27pm

Spike!

569 ROPMA  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:22:41pm

re: #552 newsjunkie_ky

Why do we care if other countries "like us"?

Right they need to at least respect us if not fear us.

570 rab3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:23:01pm

re: #561 newsjunkie_ky

re: #547 rab3

I still say this is Ron Paul. I mean look the mother ship is right behind him.

Before I clicked on the link I thought it was going to be that applewhite (was that his name) the leader of the cult 'heaven's gate'. Ronpaul does remind me of him.

Hmmm. Definitely a toss up. Maritain or cult leader.

571 Racer X  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:23:10pm

Fred picked the wrong night to announce. It looks like he is ducking the debate.

572 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:24:17pm
573 lobo91  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:24:38pm

re: #556 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Romney says that the governor has no authority over municipalities that don't follow federal law.

Actually, he was exactly right.

The state can't require cities to enforce federal laws. It can only require them to enforce state laws.

574 Highrise  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:24:38pm

re: #566 cbinflux


It's more about pity than hate. I wouldn't waste the emotion of hate on a troll that is manipulative...pretends to be nice sometimes..yet is backhanded other times.

Always remember, what you post on the internet is seen by others.

575 Sgt.Slappy  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:24:50pm

I know it's a little late to mention this but...

If you shift the letters in "Ron Paul" one place to the right in the alphabet, you get "Spo Qbvm", which I think means "clown fart" in latin.

/Well it should, anyway.

576 Highrise  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:25:13pm

re: #571 Racer X

Fred picked the wrong night to announce. It looks like he is ducking the debate.

hehe it looks like he is flipping off the debate :P

577 Abu Bin Squid  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:25:14pm

re: #539 ChenZhen

re: #514 Sharmuta


re: #504 ChenZhen

Live blogging tv... What would we do without you, Chen?


Well, I missed some parts, so I thought I'd mention it for others in the same boat.

Anyway, my popularity around here appears to be a matter of debate in and of itself lol.

General Chen,
You seem to be "debating" against all others, no?
I don't see a debate. You are a wool sweater on a hot day to all posters here, unless I missed something.

578 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:25:38pm

re: #571 Racer X

He announced what? That he was announcing something?

579 bikermailman  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:25:42pm

re: #518 Mich-again

Fred08.com is a site where you have to "join" to see the content.

Na-ga-dew

LMAO! There's a local fitness club that advertises on radio using impressinators doing Bush 41 and Clinton. Na-ga-dew is in there, and Clinton asking where the women's only facilities are as well...never fails to crack me up on either one.

580 Catttt  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:26:11pm

re: #548 Sodra Djavul

re: #533 Mich-again


re: #524 Sodra Djavul
Sure it does

No it doesn't. Dead bodies don't disappear.

Actually they do. Bacteria and all.

"The poor you have with you always..."

Okay, fine. But why in the hell do they have the power to penalize those who make this country great?

Let them starve. No cake for you.

I dub thee Ebenezer Scrooge, before the ghosts. You creep me out.

581 DesertSage  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:26:11pm

re: #566 cbinflux

I don't hate non-people. You can't hate something that doesn't exist.

There's a certain name that pops up on this blog from time to time, but as far as I concerned there's no real person attached to it.

582 rab3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:26:17pm

I thought Fred would come out, see his shadow and decide it would be six more weeks before he would announce. Glad he finally did it.

583 jdow-antijihad  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:26:39pm

re: #556 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Something that Romney said that I noticed the first time, but did not comment on...

Romney says that the governor has no authority over municipalities that don't follow federal law.

That is SO wrong. Basically, all municipal governments are subsidiary creations of the state government, and not a fourth branch of government. If a municipal government does not comply with state edict, the governor or the state government has stern powers to discipline, censure, dismiss, or prosecute those who willfully disobey their lawful duty to obey the dictates of their superior authorities, within the confines of US law.

And if you don't believe that, you are living on planet Mars. The governor has the right to call out the state national guard to remedy any unlawful disobedience within the state, including municipal rebellion against the law, in times of extreme disorder.

Romney is a hack. He doesn't even know how government works.

May I humbly suggest you reread the fine document titled The Constitution of the United States of America. The President has no direct authority over the states or municipalities except as delineated in that document. In practical terms all he or Congress can do is stop such government funds that might normally be destined for the states or municipalities. This is the infamous Federal string on Federal grants and largess. Toe the line or the payments end.

{^_^}

584 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:27:13pm

re: #576 Highrise

re: #571 Racer X


Fred picked the wrong night to announce. It looks like he is ducking the debate.

hehe it looks like he is flipping off the debate :P

He made a good point about this. In years past, a candidate didn't announce until after Labor Day. The dems are the ones that started running in '06.

585 ChenZhen  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:27:13pm

re: #563 Sharmuta

re: #528 DesertSage

I wasn't facetious enough?

re: #539 ChenZhen

Yeah- well... What did you expect when you started posting at the creepy stalker blog?

It was one post, fer chrissakes. It was something I would have posted over here if the subject came up. I look at the blogosphere as one big forum, really.

586 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:27:32pm

I have an announcement to make...

That is all.

/fred mode off

587 jdow-antijihad  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:28:59pm

re: #574 Highrise

re: #566 cbinflux


It's more about pity than hate. I wouldn't waste the emotion of hate on a troll that is manipulative...pretends to be nice sometimes..yet is backhanded other times.

Always remember, what you post on the internet is seen by others.

This may depend on the states involved. The Feds cannot force the states beyond the Constitutional limits. The state governments cannot force the cities beyond the state constitutional law. Withdrawing funds is about the only string available.

{^_^}

588 Ron Paul  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:29:33pm

re: #548 Sodra Djavul
I think you would be surprised how many wouldn't starve, they would either get a job or steal, I ain't saying everybody on disability is gaming the system but come on, a bunch are, I think drug tests should be mandatory to receive benefits and if they are overweight cut down their food stamps!

589 Racer X  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:29:56pm

re: #572 song_and_dance_man

re: #571 Racer X

Fred picked the wrong night to announce. It looks like he is ducking the debate.
How could it be considered ducking if he hadn't announced his candidacy yet?

Well, we've all known for months he wants to, and was going to, why not do it last week then join tonights debate?

590 bikermailman  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:31:27pm

re: #523 cbinflux

re: #518 Mich-again


Fred08.com is a site where you have to "join" to see the content.

Na-ga-dew


Wudent bee proodunt

I wasn't a super fan of Bush 41, but talk about a class act: when his Library opened down in College Station, he invited Dana Carvey. Carvey didn't care much for Bush, made fun of him all the time both for real, and with the characature, but it was so funny, Bush had him down to open his Presidential Library! Contrast that with the way der Schlickmiester had his enemies' lists for anyone who slightly joked about him.

591 find your Violent Jihadi on Ebay!  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:31:49pm

alright, I know I shouldn't say this, or even think it, but was anyone reading those dailykos real-time play-by-plays on the debate, by posters TrapperJohn and MissLaura? Cause that was some truly funny shyte. Though I don't share a single molecule of political viewpoint with them, they were really nailing some of the moments. Very wry humor, I, unexpectedly and against my will, totally enjoyed it.

592 DesertSage  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:31:57pm
I look at the blogosphere as one big forum, really.

Well let's all sit around the great big blogosphere campfire and sing freakin' Kumbaya!

593 saltmarsh  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:32:00pm

Watched the debate; watched the rehash. Didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express, but:

Ron Paul is not just a fucking idiot, he's a dangerous fucking idiot.

And the Republican party is a fucking idiot for treating him as a serious candidate and providing a platform. He and his followers don't need representation, they need medication.

594 Greensoccer  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:32:21pm

Ron Paul is such an ass. "Go to congress to decide whether to go to war." There's a reason the president is the president. He's a decision maker. He makes a decision. He sells it to congress. You don't have the president asking congress what to do while they are looking to the president as to what to do. Congress couldn't find its ass to wipe it and if they did end up wiping it it would be with wads of US taxpayer cash.

McCain is a nice man. Some where there is a position for him. Huckleberry Mike is a nice minister. Some where there is a church that needs him. Brownback is out.

That leaves Giuliani, Romney, Duncan Hunter and Tancredo. Tancredo has the personal courage to name a problem. He was the one who mentioned a global war against Radical Islam. Even Bush hasn't done that. Duncan Hunter had the most specific answer about Iran. He has a military background. Romney had the vaguest answer "I'm a consensus builder" Well what if you can't build a consensus? Giuliani is a good leader. I would be happy with any one of these 4.

I don't know Fred Thompson. I don't watch that show.

I liked Huckleberry Mike's idea of the fair tax.I like Romney's intention to get rid of the death tax. I liked McCain's idea to start a League of Democracies and I liked that he said that it would be an American decision, (not a UN decision).

595 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:32:22pm

lobo91

The state government is created by mechanisms that have existed within our Constitutional process since day one. The state may not intefere with the internal function of municipalities, which were chartered by the states with the express proviso that they shall not enact, act or otherwise deny the authority of the Constitution, and by extension all laws thereof, which authorizes the state to take whatever remedial measures are necessary to enforce the rule of Constitutional law, up to and including the de-chartering of the local government's right to exist, in the most extreme example.

That would only occur if, after repeated state insistence that the municipality conform to the restrictions of law, the municipality refuses to comply, in which case the state has Constitutional authority to revoke the authority of that government, and order the reconstruction of a replacement body that is willing to comply to the rule of law.

No shirt, sherlock.

596 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:32:33pm

re: #550 Mich-again

I'm betting that you don't. It's ~ like a Wheel of Fortune Before & After

[Link: www.worldoflongmire.com...]

597 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:33:42pm

re: #585 ChenZhen

Has anyone ever told you that actions speak louder than words?
Has it occured to you how your actions might look to others here at LGF?
But most importantly, do you even care?

Honestly- you've made it impossible for me in the future to ask people here to give you an argument instead of snarky comments. The stalker blog? Even I have limits.

598 Highrise  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:33:48pm

re: #584 newsjunkie_ky

Oh I'm just making a flippant comment about Fred not going to the debates.

I personally like a candidate that can buck the system.

The main issue I have right now with Fred is who he keeps around him.

I think folks who are mad and discounting Fred for putting his candidacy announcement off should hopefully be very very angry at the process that is pushing the announcing to early stages. This is going to hurt voters in the long run...with all these states trying to vie for the first position to vote in the primaries.

599 WimbledonWomble  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:34:05pm

re: #344 bikermailman

Huckebee could not win as Pres. candidate. He could be part of a ticket as VP, but he just doesn't have that je ne sais quoi to make it as the head of the ticket. Others have suggested that he may be a VP candidate on the ticket, and that might fly, but it's hard to see him winning as the Pres. candidate.

600 Catttt  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:34:07pm

re: #585 ChenZhen

re: #563 Sharmuta


re: #528 DesertSage

I wasn't facetious enough?

re: #539 ChenZhen

Yeah- well... What did you expect when you started posting at the creepy stalker blog?


It was one post, fer chrissakes. It was something I would have posted over here if the subject came up. I look at the blogosphere as one big forum, really.

Chen, I like you. Really do. But I hate the stalker, and I hate the stalker's blog, and I don't consider him, or it, part of the blogosphere. I consider it beyond the pale. I've posted, just for an example, on an Indymedia blog - it was cool - they were fair with me and my posts. I've posted on your blog - you were nice to me - it was fine.

But the stalker is a sicko - he's mental. He's ooze. He's dirty. He's a Chinese finger puzzle. A black hole.

601 Syrah  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:34:39pm

re: #593 saltmarsh

Watched the debate; watched the rehash. Didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express, but:

Ron Paul is not just a fucking idiot, he's a dangerous fucking idiot.

And the Republican party is a fucking idiot for treating him as a serious candidate and providing a platform. He and his followers don't need representation, they need medication.

Ron Paul should be forced out of the Party. If he were to run 3rd ticket, he would rob the Democrats of more votes then the Republicans.

602 rab3  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:35:33pm

Well I have to take care of some business, watch Fred announce, and then go to bed. I do have a pug and he is scratching at the door.

603 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:36:16pm

re: #598 Highrise

re: #584 newsjunkie_ky

Oh I'm just making a flippant comment about Fred not going to the debates.

I personally like a candidate that can buck the system.

The main issue I have right now with Fred is who he keeps around him.

I think folks who are mad and discounting Fred for putting his candidacy announcement off should hopefully be very very angry at the process that is pushing the announcing to early stages. This is going to hurt voters in the long run...with all these states trying to vie for the first position to vote in the primaries.


Right, and hildebeast started her campaign in '01 right after she stole the china.

604 Catttt  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:37:04pm

Oh geez - I must hit the hay. Ten hours days, etc., etc. Night.

605 Highrise  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:37:54pm

re: #603 newsjunkie_ky

Hey did you see that saturday night live skit of hillary? This gal was acting like hillary and stamped her feet saying how she has been planning for the presidency since she was 5!

If you didn't see it, that paragraph sounded stupid up there...but if you did..haha was a good skit.

606 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:39:15pm

re: #581 DesertSage

Just ignore him and his like I do, or it'll eat you up inside.

Be glad that you don't have to shave two faces each morning. Smell the roses... only you can make you feel fresh.

like = e-ilk

607 Greensoccer  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:39:21pm

570 Rab3

Thanks for the laugh. You really nailed it.

608 Highrise  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:39:57pm

re: #601 Syrah

If he were to run 3rd ticket, he would rob the Democrats of more votes then the Republicans.


I think you are right on this.

609 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:41:14pm

re: #605 Highrise

re: #603 newsjunkie_ky

Hey did you see that saturday night live skit of hillary? This gal was acting like hillary and stamped her feet saying how she has been planning for the presidency since she was 5!

If you didn't see it, that paragraph sounded stupid up there...but if you did..haha was a good skit.

Missed it. Haven't watched snl in a few years.

610 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:41:19pm

Leno: "Let's get right to it. My first guest, one of the most popular Republicans not currently running for President. He served in the Senate for eight years and until last may he played the district attorney on NBC's Law & Order. The press' going crazy speculating about why he's here tonight. Let's find out. Please welcome Fred Thompson."

[Applause. Band plays "Everyday People".]

Leno: Thanks for comin'. I hope you didn't hear the monologue.

Fred: I did... [clears throat] We'll let that Tennessee joke slide... until after the election.

Leno: Right.

[Laughter]

Leno: Oh, I see.

Fred: You know, I appreciated that last segment ["Jaywalking" about the MTV music awards] you did though. Every once in a while I need someting that just makes me glad I got out of television.

Leno: (sarcastically) Oh, really! Well, thank you! That's very kind of you.

[Laughter]

Leno: Now I gotta ask you something, you were here in June, and you said then you were testing the waters. All right, you've been in the water for a while now

[Laughter]

Leno: ...are you starting to get a little wrinkly?

Fred: These wrinkles don't come from the water.

[Laughter]

Leno: They don't come from the water. All right.

Fred: No they don't.

Leno: But what's the temperature? Is it tepid? What does the water tell you?

Fred: Nice and warm.

Leno: Nice and warm.

Fred: Hadn't been that long really. We've done in a few months what a lot of people have been workin' on since they were in the choir in high school. And... so... we're where we need to be right now. And uh, that's one of the things I wanted to talk to you about.

Leno: All right.

Fred: I'm runnin' for President of the United States.

Leno: All right! There you have it, ladies and gentlemen!

[Applause]

611 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:42:03pm

If only rab3 hadn't stirred things up again...

612 Highrise  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:42:07pm

re: #587 jdow-antijihad


doh, I think you meant to reply to the one before me :) .

613 Abu Bin Squid  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:42:19pm

Chen Paul!

614 zmdavid  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:42:23pm

re: #518 Mich-again

Fred08.com is a site where you have to "join" to see the content.

Na-ga-dew


I just checked, you can skip the join and see his announcement. click "skip to fred08.com"

615 Highrise  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:43:07pm

re: #609 newsjunkie_ky

Yeah I normally don't watch it unless they are making fun of someone I dislike...like hillary lol.

616 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:43:29pm

re: #539 ChenZhen

Anyway, my popularity around here appears to be a matter of debate in and of itself lol^a.

617 Syrah  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:43:50pm

re: #608 Highrise

re: #601 Syrah

If he were to run 3rd ticket, he would rob the Democrats of more votes then the Republicans.


I think you are right on this.

We should encourage it.

I think the Paulians could be persuaded to give it a try. They are just bat-shit crazy enough to think they could win that way too.

618 Carridine  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:44:00pm

OT: Thai TV news is showing a video of Thai troops in the 'restive' Islamist south, getting blown up (wounded & dead) while trying to defuse an IED beside the road.

Semper Vigilis!

Karridine

619 Kulhwch  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:44:13pm

    Rudy & Fred in 2008!  Let's scare the hell out of the Saudis!

}:)     [And make Tancredo Secretary of Defense!  With nuclear powers!]

620 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:44:16pm

Now that's traction.

Getting Jay Leno to announce your candidacy for president of the most powerful country on the planet. Fred's campaign is certainly off to a flying (***) start.

621 gamegrid  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:44:32pm

Fred Thompson didn't mince words on Leno about his support toward the global war on terrorism.

622 WimbledonWomble  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:44:43pm

Daily Kos seems particularly interested in this debate. They seem to think that McCain, Huckabee and (Ru)Paul came off well. Oh, well. We'll see at election time.

623 gamegrid  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:45:37pm

re: #620 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I guarantee more people watch Leno than watched those debates.

624 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:46:13pm

re: #621 gamegrid

I don't mince words about the global war on terror either- vote for me.

/words are cheap

625 Highrise  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:46:13pm

At this point it behooves us to think like a terrorist.

Who scares you?

Don't think who you like..ask WHO scares you?

626 Highrise  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:46:41pm

re: #624 Sharmuta

I don't mince words about the global war on terror either- vote for me.

I would if you'd run!

627 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:47:04pm

re: #536 winston06

stormfront.org, david duke, whitepower, all supporting Ron Paul. Every video of Ron Paul supporters is exclusively "dis-affected" twenty something whites.

Got the picture now?

Links demonstrating all of this would be really valuable. Especially if it's really comprehensive and detailed in it, in a nice, condensed form.

628 bikermailman  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:47:26pm

re: #599 WimbledonWomble

re: #344 bikermailman

Huckebee could not win as Pres. candidate. He could be part of a ticket as VP, but he just doesn't have that je ne sais quoi to make it as the head of the ticket. Others have suggested that he may be a VP candidate on the ticket, and that might fly, but it's hard to see him winning as the Pres. candidate.

Sorry if I wasn't more clear. That was my intended statement. In a pre 9/11 world, maybe, or in a perfect world, with no baggage, give me Newt Gingrich. This world, I'd love to have Duncan Hunter, but his campaign just hasn't taken off, and realistically, isn't going to. All these coulda shouldas don't mean a thing. I did have some hope for Thompson, but that began to fade about six weeks ago, and when he hired that Spencer Abraham guy, for me. Rudy's always been my guy I've leaned toward here in the real world, the one with the Long War facing us and our children and grandchildren. So long as he sticks to his promise to appoint judges like Roberts, Aledo, and Thomas, that takes care of guns and babies for me.

629 iraqihere  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:47:45pm

As an Iraqi who is (currently living abroad, ex-muslim, and pro-west), I voted here to Rudy Giuliani, I think he is the right guy:

1-He probably the most suitable one to deal with Iraq's many problems, he was a successful leader for New York in its worst times (9/11) and the crimes surge, crimes went significantly down, because that guy knows the tipping point practically.

2-Up to now, he shows no dhimmitude, he didn't tell us that Islamists are peaceful we can negotiate with them, or it is ok to censor free speech to care of too much sensibilities of some people.

3-He is not (super ultra conservative who want to change the laws and constitution to include some bans), especially in the next tough election, a super conservative will never have any chance to win.

630 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:47:47pm

re: #626 Highrise

I'm still testing the waters, but I would like to announce that in the future I'll have an announcement.

631 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:48:50pm

gamegrid

More people watch The Factor than these debates. Is that how you'd like to announce your candidacy?

632 Highrise  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:49:33pm

The people who scare me if I were a terrorist:

Duncan Hunter - 100
Tancredo - 100
Mitt Romney - 100
Giuliani - 90

The others, not so much.

Now that Fred has announced...

Fred - 100

Remember, I didn't say who you LIKE...if you WERE a terrorist...who would Scare you.

633 Carridine  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:50:32pm

re: #625 Highrise

Precisely! Which of tonight's candidates st-stuttered while responding to Islamic terrorism questions?

Which of tonight's candidates had a ready, easy answer like "Lets negotiate!"?

Which of these scares you and which among them fills you with confidence that they'll use all in their power as president of the world's only superpower, to PROTECT YOUR HUMAN RIGHT TO LIVE?

634 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:50:32pm

Breakin' Up Is So Hard To Do

Give them a few moments alone... look away.

635 gamegrid  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:50:44pm

re: #630 Sharmuta

Jesus Christ... You sound as mean-spirited and hateful as lefties do.

636 bikermailman  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:51:39pm

re: #603 newsjunkie_ky

re: #598 Highrise


re: #584 newsjunkie_ky

Oh I'm just making a flippant comment about Fred not going to the debates.

I personally like a candidate that can buck the system.

The main issue I have right now with Fred is who he keeps around him.

I think folks who are mad and discounting Fred for putting his candidacy announcement off should hopefully be very very angry at the process that is pushing the announcing to early stages. This is going to hurt voters in the long run...with all these states trying to vie for the first position to vote in the primaries.


Right, and hildebeast started her campaign in '01 right after she stole the china '92 when Gennifer Flowers came out of the woodwork and shrillary promised to 'stand by her man'.


Fixed it fer ya.

637 Highrise  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:52:24pm

I should have started my 632 game earlier...I think it's fun hehe. I'd love to see people's issues list...and their terrorist I'm afraid list to see the difference.

638 HeatherRadish  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:52:59pm

re: #631 really grumpy big dog Johnson

The mouthbreathers who consume only pop culture media vote in much greater numbers than us political nerds.

I'm just sayin'.

639 gamegrid  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:54:09pm

re: #631 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Don't hate the player, hate the game... right?

A lot of Giuliani fans are unimpressed I'm sure. It is to be expected, I'm sure.

640 Highrise  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:54:58pm

re: #622 WimbledonWomble

Daily Kos seems particularly interested in this debate. They seem to think that McCain, Huckabee and (Ru)Paul came off well. Oh, well. We'll see at election time.

Notice how the kossites pick 3 people that are not scary to a terrorist out of the whole list we have to choose from.

641 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:56:53pm

re: #620 really grumpy big dog Johnson

About 90 days of one long monologue and I predict toast...

642 joemama  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:59:43pm

Good ole one-trick-pony Giuliani, and the rest, haven't a chance after Fred Thompson get's his machine going.

dea-ja-voo? Bedtime for Bonzo?

643 gamegrid  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 9:59:52pm

Rudy announed on Larry King Live.
Mitt announced at the Henry Ford Museum. (I know his father had links to the auto industry.)
Ron Paul announced on C-Span (2 people probably saw it).
John McCain announced on Letterman.

What's the big freakin' deal with Leno?

644 finallyhere  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 10:00:52pm

Fred has as much experience as any of three Democratic front runners.
So nothing to beat Hillary with.

And by the time Romney will talk to Democrats, and to all allies, and to UN, and "build consensus" Iran will bomb us. Mitt sounded close to Kerry answering the question about Iran.

645 bikermailman  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 10:04:51pm

re: #619 Kulhwch

    Rudy & Fred in 2008!  Let's scare the hell out of the Saudis!

}:)     [And make Tancredo Secretary of Defense!  With nuclear powers!]

That was my thought earlier.

646 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 10:07:42pm

gamegrid

No big deal. None of them will get elected with their stategies, but that's not my problem.

647 bikermailman  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 10:07:59pm

re: #629 iraqihere

As an Iraqi who is (currently living abroad, ex-muslim, and pro-west), I voted here to Rudy Giuliani, I think he is the right guy:

1-He probably the most suitable one to deal with Iraq's many problems, he was a successful leader for New York in its worst times (9/11) and the crimes surge, crimes went significantly down, because that guy knows the tipping point practically.

2-Up to now, he shows no dhimmitude, he didn't tell us that Islamists are peaceful we can negotiate with them, or it is ok to censor free speech to care of too much sensibilities of some people.

3-He is not (super ultra conservative who want to change the laws and constitution to include some bans), especially in the next tough election, a super conservative will never have any chance to win.

Glad to have you here, both in America, and in Lizardland. Here to lend your unique opinions on that region of the world, as well.

648 Outrider  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 10:08:03pm

re: #589 Racer X

Well, we've all known for months he wants to, and was going to, why not do it last week then join tonights debate?


And why not go with tradition and wait until after Labor Day? Why did the Republicans have to follow the Democrats like some silly game of Follow the Leader and start the campaign waaay back there. People are already tired of the election campaign and, by tradition it hasn't even started yet.

649 ChenZhen  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 10:09:15pm

re: #597 Sharmuta

re: #585 ChenZhen

Has anyone ever told you that actions speak louder than words?
Has it occured to you how your actions might look to others here at LGF?
But most importantly, do you even care?

Honestly- you've made it impossible for me in the future to ask people here to give you an argument instead of snarky comments. The stalker blog? Even I have limits.

Someone is going to have to explain to me what it is they do that qualifies as stalking. To me, a stalker is someone who follows you home and peeks through your window.

650 Outrider  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 10:09:56pm

re: #592 DesertSage

Well let's all sit around the great big blogosphere campfire and sing freakin' Kumbaya!


Who's bringing the s'mores?

651 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 10:10:57pm

re: #642 joemama

Yeah... Keep telling yourself that.

/What's fred's actual record again?

652 Highrise  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 10:11:15pm

It also bugged me that guilani said that he'd probably vote for mccain if he himself wasn't running. Good lord...mccain isn't presidential nor vp material so that was a little alarming. Mccain is a patriot but that is about it. TO me, he's damaged this country with his reach across the aisle bills.

653 canadianally  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 10:11:37pm

Huckabee's band performs Freebird. (Although I'm sure everyone has already seen this...)

654 Outrider  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 10:13:19pm

re: #598 Highrise

I think folks who are mad and discounting Fred for putting his candidacy announcement off should hopefully be very very angry at the process that is pushing the announcing to early stages. This is going to hurt voters in the long run...with all these states trying to vie for the first position to vote in the primaries.


Excellent. Like Christmas decorations in malls, election campaigns are starting earlier every election cycle.

655 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 10:16:01pm

re: #649 ChenZhen

To me, a stalker is someone who follows you home and peeks through your window.

So, using that as a definition, what would a cyber-stalker do...?

You know- whatever, Chen. Try to rationalize it however you'd like. Most people here think that man is sick- obsessed with Charles and LGF- and you go over there posting. Don't expect sympathy and/or understanding from people here after that.

656 bikermailman  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 10:19:40pm

re: #653 canadianally

Huckabee's band performs Freebird. (Although I'm sure everyone has already seen this...)

That alone should drive the left crazy.

657 ChenZhen  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 10:21:02pm

re: #655 Sharmuta

So, using that as a definition, what would a cyber-stalker do...?

You tell me.

658 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 10:26:06pm

Leno: Hey, let me ask you about some serious issues. The Iraq war obviously the biggest issue in this campaign. Were you for it?

Fred: Yeah.

Leno: You were for it. O.K.

Fred: Yeah. I think we gotta remember what it'd be like if we had not done what we did. Saddam would still be there, having defeated the United Nations ...all the resolutions. Uh... it would have defeated the United States, in effect. It would have uh... been in position to continue its nuclear weapons program, it would have still been doiong what they were doing, putting people in human shredders, and especially in light of what Iran is doing right now, they certainly would have been in a nuclear competition in that part of the world, sitting on those oil reserves. To think that had we not gone in there we wouldn't have had any problems, I think, is dead wrong.

Leno: Do we stay?

Fred: I think that we stay until we get the job done.

Leno: I think that's the part that confuses people.

Fred: Until it is pacified enough for those people, who went into voting lines with people shooting at them in some cases, who voted, and put their finger in the ink and so forth, the first time in that part of the world, in the history of the world. Uh... until they have an opportunity to have a free life and to not be killed by Al Qaeda and others fighting uh... in that part of the world. I think that that's doable. I think it's tough. But I think we can't afford to go into a situation and not show resolve. I think the most dangerous thing in the world that could happen to the United States of America is for people to think we're weak and divided. Iraq is a part of a much bigger picture. Iraq and Afghanistan. Uh... there is a global war going on. We are the main target. And those who would befriend us. The enemy is ruthless. Al Qaeda is here ...in this country. National intelligence estimates tell us that. They are strong. They're trying to get their hands on nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction. I don't know how much more stark the situation could be. That's going to be the situation that we're going to have to deal with for some time, regardless of what happens in Iraq. But if the wrong result happens in Iraq and we're perceived the wrong way by friends and enemies alike, it's going to make the situation more difficult, and we're going to be more vulnerable. It's a tough deal, but it's a choice of two bad choices, not a good and a bad.

Leno: Well, how about Iran? You see possibly military action there as well? I mean, at what point does it stop?

Fred: You can't ever... you can't ever tell what the facts on the ground are going to be a year or two years from where we're sitting here. Obviously, our intelligence knows some things that you and I don't know. I had a... you know, I was chairman of one of a committee that dealt with some of these issues for the Secretary of State, until I resigned to do this, I had a high security clearance. But I don't know exactly where they are in their nuclear program, I don't think our intelligence knows precisely. But they're moving in that direction. And they're clearly responsible for more and more of our problems. They are sending in these improvised explosive devices, they are training Iraqi militants in Iran and sending them back into Iraq, they're sponsoring Hezballah, who probably as we speak are planning another attack on Israel. They support Hamas. They support terrorism all around the world. And they've got a fella who is not put together well upstairs runnin' the country.

Leno: Right.

[Nervous laughter]

Fred: And has threatened the destruction of Israel. I mean, sometimes when these maniacs make threats ...they mean it. And it comes to pass later on. So we've got to take that situation very seriously. But obviously, a military attack is the last thing in the world that you want to have to do, and there's some things that we can do that will probably not necessitate that.

659 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 10:26:38pm

re: #657 ChenZhen

Can't you figure it out on your own?

660 NY Nana  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 10:27:11pm

re: #585 ChenZhen

Chen,

Dave Ray is such a POS...I have no idea who posts there, as I refuse to look..you can do better than that, and are better than that. You know that I can and will attest to the fact that you are a mensch...but shees, posting on a hate blog?

If we all agreed with each other, LGF would be so damned boring. In the end? We are all lizards..and we all have bad days...but bottom line? Bet if there was a get together of lizards..and people had to guess who was who? No name tags allowed? If you don't look like the illustration on your blog? Bet that no one would say...'see that guy? He has to be Chen'. Yes, you often go OTT, but who doesn't?

661 NY Nana  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 10:30:00pm

re: #655 Sharmuta

Sharmuta

Remember when he was posting away here, and no one had a clue that LGF Watch was his? I can't remember who found out, but it was a shock. Now? I would spit in his face. He is the lowest of the low.

662 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 10:32:18pm

re: #661 NY Nana

That "man" needs help.

663 Zack  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 11:00:03pm

...as Rudy pulls away, leaving the rest in the dust.

GO RUDY GO!

664 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 11:00:38pm

I love how Mittney now refutes his earlier statement during the debate that the governor has no control over what municipalities can do.

This is the sink or swim comment of a rich legacy that is clueless about what he's really saying. And that's sad.

665 ChenZhen  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 11:13:09pm

re: #659 Sharmuta

re: #657 ChenZhen

Can't you figure it out on your own?

Does it involve obsessive scrutiny of a specific blog's posts and comments, and mocking a blogger and his/her commentors on a regular basis, and over an extended period?

666 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 11:13:37pm

re: #583 jdow-antijihad

re: #556 really grumpy big dog Johnson


Something that Romney said that I noticed the first time, but did not comment on...

Romney says that the governor has no authority over municipalities that don't follow federal law.

That is SO wrong. Basically, all municipal governments are subsidiary creations of the state government, and not a fourth branch of government. If a municipal government does not comply with state edict, the governor or the state government has stern powers to discipline, censure, dismiss, or prosecute those who willfully disobey their lawful duty to obey the dictates of their superior authorities, within the confines of US law.

And if you don't believe that, you are living on planet Mars. The governor has the right to call out the state national guard to remedy any unlawful disobedience within the state, including municipal rebellion against the law, in times of extreme disorder.

Romney is a hack. He doesn't even know how government works.


May I humbly suggest you reread the fine document titled The Constitution of the United States of America. The President has no direct authority over the states or municipalities except as delineated in that document. In practical terms all he or Congress can do is stop such government funds that might normally be destined for the states or municipalities. This is the infamous Federal string on Federal grants and largess. Toe the line or the payments end.

{^_^}

Your post might have some traction if anywhere in my reply was the Executive Branch ever mentioned. It wasn't and you have no traction. I did discuss the deniability of a fourth branch, but never suggested that the Executive had any direct power over the states, individually or collectively. The Supreme Court, directly and through its supernumaries, has a lot of control over the states, in ways that most don't understand.

667 AirForceWife  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 11:20:34pm

#26 rw in san diego 9/05/07 7:46:34 pm

I find Tancredo a 'one issue' candidate.

Yea, it reminds me a lot of how Pres. Ronald Reagan was a "one issue" candidate in how he recognized the most pressing issue of our time because that issue was about the survival of our way of life as we know it.

There is a big difference between being a one issue candidate and understanding that unless we secure our own country, it is only a matter of time before none of the other issues matter any more.

When given an opportunity to answer questions in the debates, he shows he is not a single issue candidate.

668 jdow-antijihad  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 11:23:09pm

No branch of the Federal government is allowed to make laws that abridge rights granted to the states let alone the cities.

What it CAN do is pull the grant money leash. But sending in troops is right out unless national laws are at stake.

It is debatable whether the Feds have the authority to stomp on states or cities directly with military or police level force over enforcing the immigration laws. But the Federal grant leash can be a rather harsh choke collar on cities and particularly on states. It is not 100% effective, though.

{^_^}

669 AirForceWife  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 11:26:32pm

#652 Highrise 9/05/07 10:11:15 pm reply quote report

It also bugged me that guilani said that he'd probably vote for mccain if he himself wasn't running. Good lord...mccain isn't presidential nor vp material so that was a little alarming. Mccain is a patriot but that is about it. TO me, he's damaged this country with his reach across the aisle bills.

I think McCain was a patriot. What he once was and what he became are two different men. Anybody who sells his own country out to Mexico is no longer a patriot.

670 AirForceWife  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 11:34:06pm

#629 iraqihere 9/05/07 9:47:45 pm reply quote report

3-He is not (super ultra conservative who want to change the laws and constitution to include some bans), especially in the next tough election, a super conservative will never have any chance to win.

Unless that ultra conservative has some cross over appeal that resonates in a big way with a large percentage of Democrats. Many blue collar democrats that are not of the looney liberal flavor, are as focused on the illegal immigration problem as much as a lot of Republicans are.

671 waterhouse  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 11:36:48pm

I'm too late to vote in the poll. Damn you Ron Paul!

Anyway, I would have voted for Tancredo. Sir Tancelot, protector of our sovereignty!

672 NavyBrat  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 11:37:16pm

Rudy
Huckabee
Hunter...
did well.

Huckabee v Paul was fun to watch.

673 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 11:39:15pm

re: #668 jdow-antijihad

No branch of the Federal government is allowed to make laws that abridge rights granted to the states let alone the cities.

What it CAN do is pull the grant money leash. But sending in troops is right out unless national laws are at stake.

It is debatable whether the Feds have the authority to stomp on states or cities directly with military or police level force over enforcing the immigration laws. But the Federal grant leash can be a rather harsh choke collar on cities and particularly on states. It is not 100% effective, though.

{^_^}


The state can send in troops if the subsidiary entity refuses to comply with the dictates of Constitutional law. This is not debatable, and the Supreme Court can overrule any local state decision, as was the case when George Wallace decided to defy the Constitution to deny admission to his federally-funded state university, and federal troops were sent in to enforce compliance.

The federal government can overrule local control via the Executive in the most extreme circumstances, via Posse Commitatus. It has very rarely been used, and President Bush pondered the use before deciding against it in the giant tripartite failure that was Hurricane Katrina, when stonewalled for the better part of a week by Louisiana's governor and further obstructed by NOLA mayor Ray Nagin.

To his credit, he did not issue that extreme challenge to the Constitution, although he had that right. And in not doing so, he created in part the current democrat party hatred of his presumed incompetence.

Let's just say that some people don't know what they are talking about, shall we?

674 AirForceWife  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 11:40:54pm

I cannot believe just how ridiculous that Alan Colmes is in the interview I am watching right now with Tancredo. He asks him how he can talk about the rule of law when the Geneva convention is also the rule of law and that Tancredo would be for water-boarding when he was given the hypothetical scenario of nuclear bombings already launched at America and detained terrorists having information about more that were to go off.

This idiot Colmes doesn't even understand that the Geneva convention protects Lawful combatants. Terrorists are unlawful combatants. They get no Geneva convention protections because only lawful combatants are subject to it. This idiot would sooner see millions of Americans killed and the catastrophic fall out of such an attack than to see a few terrorists water-boarded (something that does not even leave permanent damage) who are not even protected by the Geneva convention in the first place. It just doesn't get much more morally depraved than this.

675 Highrise  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 11:45:46pm

re: #669 AirForceWife


Yeah I agree, I don't have any love for mccain due to what he has done in the senate. People who want to vote for him yet bitch about the border and national security...I just don't get it.

If I were a terrorist, mccain would not be even in the top 4 that I'd fear. It should tell us something when the kossacks vote for him : P .

676 AirForceWife  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 11:52:42pm

#675 Highrise 9/05/07 11:45:46 pm reply quote report

re: #669 AirForceWife


Yeah I agree, I don't have any love for mccain due to what he has done in the senate. People who want to vote for him yet bitch about the border and national security...I just don't get it.

If I were a terrorist, mccain would not be even in the top 4 that I'd fear. It should tell us something when the kossacks vote for him : P .

Well I think that herd of Republican Presidential candidates needs to be thinned down to Tancredo, Hunter, Romney, and Giuliani.

677 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 11:53:51pm

re: #674 AirForceWife

Unfortunately, there have been some court decisions that behaved as if these non-uniformed, illegal-combatants are covered by the Geneva Convention. That has exasperated a lot of people, and has thrown certain procedural goings on at GTMO into a tailspin. Ergo, some people do believe that torturing an illegal combatant constitutes violating the rule of law, infuriating as that might seem.

678 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 11:57:12pm

Yeah, but waterboarding is really, really scary, and tends to induce hysterical hallucinations prior to the terrorist singing like a bird.

Torture. Sure. Right.

679 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Sep 5, 2007 11:57:26pm

And no, I am not trying to suggest that there is torture going on at GTMO, just that the decision that recently hamstrung legal activities at GTMO could also be construed to declare terrorists protected from turture.

680 AirForceWife  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 12:04:56am

#594 Greensoccer 9/05/07 9:32:21 pm reply quote report


Tancredo has the personal courage to name a problem. He was the one who mentioned a global war against Radical Islam. Even Bush hasn't done that.

Too bad more people won't understand what it is he was trying to prevent until after Iran gets nuclear missiles and is able to either launch them at Israel or at Israel and American cities or targets. America will be completely ready for a Tancredo in the WH after it's too late. As usual, we are collectively a reactionary country, not a proactive one.

681 AirForceWife  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 12:08:44am

#677 NomadOfNorad 9/05/07 11:53:51 pm reply quote report

re: #674 AirForceWife

Unfortunately, there have been some court decisions that behaved as if these non-uniformed, illegal-combatants are covered by the Geneva Convention. That has exasperated a lot of people, and has thrown certain procedural goings on at GTMO into a tailspin. Ergo, some people do believe that torturing an illegal combatant constitutes violating the rule of law, infuriating as that might seem.

What rule of law would that be? Certainly not the Geneva Convention since it specifically covers Lawful combatants. That was the entire purpose of it. To protect those taken as POW's that are lawful combatants of those nations that have signed the Geneva Convention agreement.

682 demanian  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 1:09:57am

re: #226 Cattt

Ron Paul has an annoying sissy voice, and he's whiny. I kept wanting to slap him.

You can't slap him! Respect your elders.

683 demanian  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 1:13:48am

What do you think of Rudy/Condi? Could work to counter Evita/Hussein.

684 Student of Objectivism  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 1:22:59am

Charles please post this when the president is elected: BREAKING- Ron Paul NOT elected President! THERE ARE NO WORDS

685 haakondahl  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 2:22:09am

I would just like to go on the record as complaining (sue me) about the inclusion of Ron Paul in these polls. I thought this was already argued about (by us) and decided by Charles--Ron Paul would not be included in LGF polls due to the widespread fraud associated with this candidate.
Now look. In the LGF poll, Ron Paul has taken second place, body-slamming his nearest competitor, Mitt Romney, by about two-to-one. Is this how we want LGF on the record?
Charles, please leave Ron Paul off of these polls. We are becoming party to this pathetic fraud.

686 apachegunner  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 5:05:28am

Only weak people would be effected in this case...re: #57 Thanos

687 cpuller  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 5:09:56am

Did anyone see the voting from the text messaging? It was Ron Paul at 33% when I went to bed, leading the others.

Did Howard Stern come out and tell everyone to vote for Ron Paul or something? Ron Paul is a loon. No way people thought he did the best. Or no way normal people did.

688 apachegunner  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 5:14:15am

Ron Paul supporters are loons, I am sure they accounted for 500 calls each. It's one of their ploys. re: #687 cpuller

689 Spartacus  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 5:57:29am

Unlawful combatants are subject to summary execution in the field. Holding them and giving them any sort of hearing is already above and beyond in humanitarian terms, and far better than what the terrorists, the Chinese, the N. Koreans, the Iranians or anyone else would do for us.

The Iran question was a very, very important one.

McCain nailed the Iran question better than anyone else. BUT his shamnesty rules him out, and his idiotic idea somehow 60 years of history will be reversed, and kind treatment of our enemies will result in kind treatment of our boys.

Guliani gave the second best answer, and a good one. Point a crapload of missiles at them, and tell them to say uncle. I do like that he has experience actually running an administration, competence would be nice in higher office. I also like how he looked at the moderator like he was an idiot for asking about how other nations feel about us. I think he believes we should do the right thing regardless. The inability of most politicians to think this way is why we have so many gutless RINO's in office. I liked his states rights answers, but would he stick with them?

Mitt stunk on that question. I wanted to like him, but his mealy mouthed answer made me think that foreign policy and war fighting is a popularity contest. I think he would morph once in office from the pressure of the NYT, WaPo and the other RINO's at the dinner parties. He has a big head, which reminds me of Senator Lurch, and that's bad.

Huckabee did have the best one liner of the night.

Brownback is a moron.

Duncan hunter got told by a staffer to "lean against the podium, be at a 45 degree angle to the camera, and arch your eyebrows when you talk". It seemed like a pose, but his on-the-record positions match me better than any other candidate. I think that maybe a Guliani/Hunter ticket could do well, those soft on Guliani could look forward to Hunter as the strong man in 2016. I wonder if that team could carry NY and Cali?

Ron Paul exemplifies why the Libertarian Party is stuck in obscurity. He has some GREAT philosophies. But like most libertarian politicians and wanna-be's, he holds to the extreme (or logical conclusion) of those philosophies and miss-applies them in the real world. Do we want a declaration of war? YES! Do we hand our heads over to muslims because we have a weenie congress that won't declare war? No!
Is the CIA a huge mess and waste of money? YESS! Do we abolish it and wait for the first strike before we respond? NO! Particularly because libertarians advocate free and open borders (a nice theory, but like communism, unworkable), they cannot also say we need to gut intelligence, and ban wiretapping of int'l calls.

No thrill or memorable moments from the others.

Fred! Has been waiting too long, should have been in this debate. At this point, while I was in love with Fred!, I think Guliani is the man. He has a track record. If we had a sea of new-blood GOP in congress, it would be a great combo. It would also be something to see him bitch-slap some old-guard RINO's. I hope that Thompson can turn his act around. In theory, he may be the best candidate from a conservative point of view. But he needs to compete with the Gravitas that Guliani exhibited last night.

690 Greensoccer  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 6:23:39am

re: #680 AirForceWife

Yes and Tancredo was on Fox this am and said "how can you trust some of these guys who have totally flipped in the last couple of months based on polls?" Tancredo's mentioning of Iraq being 1 battle in a war on global terrorism puts Iraq into context, unlike the dems.

And McCain thinks that if we don't torture that our enemy won't torture. He is fighting a Victorian War by Geneva Conventions rules where the enemy wears uniforms. He is not talking about today where the enemy does not wear a uniform and shoots from behind women and children, so that if they are hit, the enemy can whine and cry and sue, and get paid damages, and then the US military will hang our soldiers for them. And of course the enemy will torture Americans. They do it to their own people. Did the Geneva Convention mention beheading people? Al Qaeda beheads little 8 year old girls.

Ron Paul won Fox's poll as well. Why is Fox only counting text messages? What happened to on line polls or emails? Obviously if you use a medium used by the young you will skew the vote results. And it costs money.

I am still not impressed with the republican party organization. I am on more than 1 mailing list for the candidates and yet no one emails to say there is a GOP debate. Luckily I saw it mentioned in the morning by ED Hill or I would have missed it.

It is not fair the way the media focuses on the candidates it likes. My father still can't figure out who Duncan Hunter is because of the lack of face time. Thank God, Hunter wore a red tie and Huckleberry Mike wore a blue tie. I find that they look similar.

But the media is only comfortable with same old, same old. After they achieve it, then they'll be whining, it's all the "same".

And what about separation of Church and state? There is no way dems are going to cross the line to vote for Huckleberry. He wants a constitutional amendment to adopt the pope's position that life begins at conception. No, I do not want a minister as president. If he would wins the title, the GOP loses the presidency. Let Huckleberry Mike lead the daily prayers.

691 Greensoccer  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 6:26:20am

re: #683 demanian

Demanian 683
No Condi is out. She wants to go back to academia. She has been taken over by the State Department and sells their stupid message. "land for peace." Israel keeps giving back land on which terrorist states are built. There is a finite amount of land. The Arabs can keep asking for concessions until there is no Israel left, and the State Department still won't be satisfied. "OOO we have to make the Arabs happy." How about the Arabs who have all the land and who have the capacity to grant peace, how about they make some concessions? They lose wars but ohhh they're not allowed to lose anything as a result. They get us to fight their wars with Saddam and kicking Iraq out of Kuwait, and with Iran but no, they don't have to make concessions. They get to be displeased by having our men's boots on the ground. "Oh you've soiled the holy land of Saudi Arabia." The State Dept. says "We don't want our masters being displeased. " Can you imagine a divorce case with a man and a woman and the man demands the land, and refuses to allow peace but says to the woman "hey maybe at some point in the future if you keep giving me everything I want and keep giving me a massage, maybe I'll get around to acknowledging that you exist." What a negotiating position. No American divorce lawyer I know has had the chutzpah to try that one. The wife's answer should be "How about I keep bombing you until you acknowledge that I exist and then we can discuss property?" But no, our little State Department keeps kowtowing to the Arabs, and twisting Israel's arm, only with Olmert, he's such a wimp, it doesn't take any force at all. I guess the kowtowing by the State Dept. is good practice for when the Chinese take over. This is another good reason for voting for Hunter who recognizes there is a problem.

692 John3-16  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 7:20:29am

Paul/Kucinich '08!

693 Infidelsalwayswin  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 8:24:13am

Damnit, I got here late and the poll was already closed. Didn't get to vote for Ron Paul. Oh well...next time.

694 cookielady  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 10:03:39am
I like Tancredo but think he's a bit emotional for President - over the top with the nuke mecca bit by just a tad... but I would vote for him.

One of the things I like best about him.

Tancredo's mentioning of Iraq being 1 battle in a war on global terrorism puts Iraq into context, unlike the dems.

Another thing I like best about him.

Tancredo has the personal courage to name a problem. He was the one who mentioned a global war against Radical Islam. Even Bush hasn't done that.

Darn tootin'.

Can you start to tell who I like?

695 Nexus  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 10:27:43am

"Why is Fox only counting text messages?"
Because they can charge for those. Online polls are free.

My thoughts...
I personally thought McCain and Huckabee came out looking the best. This will help McCain stop his bleeding and keep Huckabee moving up. Paul tried to be more aggressive in defending his positions and came out with more fire, but didn't help himself by losing his temper like that. Rudy and Romney really didn't impress me any. The others may as well have stayed home they were so boring.

The confrontation between Huckabee and Paul made this debate interesting. Beyond that, no one really said anything new.

Fred needs to get off his ass and into these debates.

696 Nexus  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 10:31:31am

"Ron Paul supporters are loons, I am sure they accounted for 500 calls each. It's one of their ploys."

This poll only let you vote once per number. You think there were 20 people with 500 cell phones each stacking this poll? You sound a bit loony to me pal.

697 Hard Right  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 10:33:24am

Ron Paul is a moron. He actually thinks going into Afghanistan was a mistake? That mental patient actually believes that we can hide at home. He might as well call himself a liberal.

698 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 10:34:08am
699 Hard Right  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 10:34:48am

re: #696 Nexus

"Ron Paul supporters are loons, I am sure they accounted for 500 calls each. It's one of their ploys."

This poll only let you vote once per number. You think there were 20 people with 500 cell phones each stacking this poll? You sound a bit loony to me pal.

Ron Paul supporters are loons, so deal with it.

700 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 10:36:22am
701 Nexus  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 10:45:27am

"Ron Paul is not just a fucking idiot, he's a dangerous fucking idiot.

And the Republican party is a fucking idiot for treating him as a serious candidate and providing a platform. He and his followers don't need representation, they need medication."

What a stupid thing to say!
If the polls are correct he'll pull in maybe 3-5% of the GOP vote and about the same percentage of independent voters. How is that 'dangerous'? And if '08 is a tight race, do you really want to alienate 3-5% of your own party?

702 Nexus  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 10:47:17am

"Ron Paul supporters are loons, so deal with it."

That is the kind of ignorant talk I would have expected from a KosKid, not a lizard.

703 Nexus  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 10:52:57am

"Ron Paul is a moron. He actually thinks going into Afghanistan was a mistake? That mental patient actually believes that we can hide at home. He might as well call himself a liberal."

No, he said going into Iraq was a mistake. He voted for the attack on Afghanistan. If your going to criticize, fine. But get your facts straight. I've known quite a few liberals in my life and none of them want to eliminate the income tax or shrink the government. His views are libertarian, not liberal. Don't try to paint every viewpoint you don't agree with with the 'liberal' brush. Leave those kind of silly attacks to the Indymedia types.

704 Nexus  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 10:56:09am

"Ron Paul supporters are dumb ass looser loons."

My, what an eloquent statement. How proud your mother must be.

705 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 11:09:11am
706 Nexus  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 11:10:38am

"Ron Paul is such an ass. "Go to congress to decide whether to go to war." There's a reason the president is the president. He's a decision maker. He makes a decision. He sells it to congress. You don't have the president asking congress what to do while they are looking to the president as to what to do. Congress couldn't find its ass to wipe it and if they did end up wiping it it would be with wads of US taxpayer cash."

Well, the constitution does state that only Congress has the power to declare war so it does kinda make a little sense to go to Capitol Hill don't you think? Yes, the President is a leader and decision maker, but he's not a dictator. He can't just push the button and make the bombs fall. Are you suggesting a President bypass congress or do away with it altogether?

707 Nexus  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 11:11:44am

"It was not meant to be eloquent, it is meant to get some more loon crap out of a loon Ron Paul supporter as a way to show others what loons are like."

I'm afraid it only makes you look loony my friend.

708 Regul8r  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 11:27:25am

This will all be exposed for the 'far-left troofer' B.S. stunt it really is when the Primaries come around. Ron Paul is NOT a Republican & will get C-R-U-S-H-E-D when Republicans actually get to vote for their candidate. Pollsters will scratch their heads & wonder about this anomaly when all they had to do is listen to Hannity & LGF all along. The left really is loony - would the right ever try this hard to skew results for a Dem candidate? I think not because Republicans actually have jobs, families & a life!

709 AirForceWife  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 12:03:00pm

#690 Greensoccer 9/06/07 6:23:39 am

re: #680 AirForceWife

Yes and Tancredo was on Fox this am and said "how can you trust some of these guys who have totally flipped in the last couple of months based on polls?" Tancredo's mentioning of Iraq being 1 battle in a war on global terrorism puts Iraq into context, unlike the dems.

And McCain thinks that if we don't torture that our enemy won't torture. He is fighting a Victorian War by Geneva Conventions rules where the enemy wears uniforms. He is not talking about today where the enemy does not wear a uniform and shoots from behind women and children, so that if they are hit, the enemy can whine and cry and sue, and get paid damages, and then the US military will hang our soldiers for them. And of course the enemy will torture Americans. They do it to their own people. Did the Geneva Convention mention beheading people? Al Qaeda beheads little 8 year old girls.

Ron Paul won Fox's poll as well. Why is Fox only counting text messages? What happened to on line polls or emails? Obviously if you use a medium used by the young you will skew the vote results. And it costs money.

I am still not impressed with the republican party organization. I am on more than 1 mailing list for the candidates and yet no one emails to say there is a GOP debate. Luckily I saw it mentioned in the morning by ED Hill or I would have missed it.

It is not fair the way the media focuses on the candidates it likes. My father still can't figure out who Duncan Hunter is because of the lack of face time. Thank God, Hunter wore a red tie and Huckleberry Mike wore a blue tie. I find that they look similar.

But the media is only comfortable with same old, same old. After they achieve it, then they'll be whining, it's all the "same".

And what about separation of Church and state? There is no way dems are going to cross the line to vote for Huckleberry. He wants a constitutional amendment to adopt the pope's position that life begins at conception. No, I do not want a minister as president. If he would wins the title, the GOP loses the presidency. Let Huckleberry Mike lead the daily prayers.

Agree with every single thing you wrote. We think alike.

710 bald headed geek  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 12:09:49pm

To put my cards on the table, I am a supporter of Rudy Giuliani. That said, I wasn't impressed by his performance last night. Actually, and even though his campaign is more or less moribund, Senator McCain impressed me the most. He looked alive and certain of his responses.

BHG

711 Nexus  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 12:13:34pm

"This will all be exposed for the 'far-left troofer' B.S. stunt it really is when the Primaries come around. Ron Paul is NOT a Republican & will get C-R-U-S-H-E-D when Republicans actually get to vote for their candidate. Pollsters will scratch their heads & wonder about this anomaly when all they had to do is listen to Hannity & LGF all along. The left really is loony - would the right ever try this hard to skew results for a Dem candidate? I think not because Republicans actually have jobs, families & a life!"

Sigh...
Take a look at Meetup.com and search under 'Ron Paul'. You will find around 40,000 people signed up in hundreds of groups worldwide. I have met several of the local meetup members in my home town of Cincinnati. Of the ones I've met, one is what you might call a 'troofer'. The rest are grassroots libertarian and conservative activists. These people are not casual supporters who will simply punch in a name on election day. They are passionate activist who truly believe in what they are doing. And yes, they all have jobs, families, and lives. I've yet to meet one who is a far-lefty out to pull some kind of stunt. I'll give you an example. Ron Paul is due to speak at a 2nd amendment conference in Cincinnati in early October. The local meetup organizer contacted the Paul campaign about having a rally here. He was told the Paul would only be in town for a few hours and leave. There are no plans for a rally. So the meetup group is organizing a rally themselves at their own expense. This is with no help or money from the Paul campaign. If they can organize a large enough rally, the Paul will briefly attend.

Now, you don't like Ron Paul? Fine. You don't like his stand on issues? Fine.You don't have to vote for him. But to try to characterize his supporters as some kind of left wing stunt is disingenuous.

712 Nexus  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 12:21:12pm

"To put my cards on the table, I am a supporter of Rudy Giuliani. That said, I wasn't impressed by his performance last night. Actually, and even though his campaign is more or less moribund, Senator McCain impressed me the most. He looked alive and certain of his responses."

I agree with your assessment of McCain. His performance may actually help stop the bleeding in his campaign.

713 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 2:42:29pm
714 Oktober  Thu, Sep 6, 2007 3:03:32pm

the terrorists attacked us on 9/11 because they hate freedom.

we haven't been attacked since then.

because we have been losing our freedom since then.

the terrorists are winning.

GOOO RON!

715 Regul8r  Fri, Sep 7, 2007 5:02:24pm

re: #711 Nexus

"This will all be exposed for the 'far-left troofer' B.S. stunt it really is when the Primaries come around. Ron Paul is NOT a Republican & will get C-R-U-S-H-E-D when Republicans actually get to vote for their candidate. Pollsters will scratch their heads & wonder about this anomaly when all they had to do is listen to Hannity & LGF all along. The left really is loony - would the right ever try this hard to skew results for a Dem candidate? I think not because Republicans actually have jobs, families & a life!"

Sigh...
Take a look at Meetup.com and search under 'Ron Paul'. You will find around 40,000 people signed up in hundreds of groups worldwide. I have met several of the local meetup members in my home town of Cincinnati. Of the ones I've met, one is what you might call a 'troofer'. The rest are grassroots libertarian and conservative activists. These people are not casual supporters who will simply punch in a name on election day. They are passionate activist who truly believe in what they are doing. And yes, they all have jobs, families, and lives. I've yet to meet one who is a far-lefty out to pull some kind of stunt. I'll give you an example. Ron Paul is due to speak at a 2nd amendment conference in Cincinnati in early October. The local meetup organizer contacted the Paul campaign about having a rally here. He was told the Paul would only be in town for a few hours and leave. There are no plans for a rally. So the meetup group is organizing a rally themselves at their own expense. This is with no help or money from the Paul campaign. If they can organize a large enough rally, the Paul will briefly attend.

Now, you don't like Ron Paul? Fine. You don't like his stand on issues? Fine.You don't have to vote for him. But to try to characterize his supporters as some kind of left wing stunt is disingenuous.

Nexus, if you weren't so patronizing in your responses people might actually listen to your opinions (remember - opinions are like assholes - everyone has one & everyone is one). All your 'big Cincy city attitude', fancy book learnin' and condescending attitude makes you look like is a lib in drag. Sigh...
Let's meet back here in this comment room in '08 when Dr. Ru Paul gets absolutely destroyed & then tell me about the grassroots vibe in Cincy. He is polling at 1-2% this IS a B.S. anomaly due to troofers.


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