This was a potentially massive disaster averted, fortunately.

According to an official close to the investigation, at least one of the men is Pakistani, another Lebanese and some are stateless.

What the heck is "stateless". . .are these Palestinians?

Anyone surprised?

Among the 10 men still at large are some German converts to Islam, some Turkish residents of Germany and also other nationalities, Mr. Hanning said today.

Misunderstood RoPers.

Heh. One of the three original guys rolled over on his cohorts.

I wonder if the authorities have identified a common factor linking the suspects yet?

Every mosque in the western world should be searched.. followed by every moslims home.. followed by deportations where needed.

re: #1 looking closely

This was a potentially massive disaster averted, fortunately.

According to an official close to the investigation, at least one of the men is Pakistani, another Lebanese and some are stateless.

What the heck is "stateless". . .are these Palestinians?

I'd say illegals who they cant pin a nation to yet.

I wonder if these ten were on the government dole as well ?

I do wonder if there are attacks planned in other places that have not been foiled - that this was just one rocket in the fireworks show they have been bragging about.

/Whew! Germany avoided a huge 'accident'.

But ... but ... Islam is Peace!

I notice how the Germans were eavesdropping. Isn't that domestic spying?

Of course, the Times also notes:

Counterterrorism experts here expressed wariness, noting that in almost every major attack or suspected plot since 9/11, the role of Al Qaeda has been raised but rarely substantiated.

They apparently need video evidence of Osama giving direct orders.

Note their "experts" were not named.

A--holes.

I blame (poverty) (lack of health care in the US) (the decadent west) (the Jews) (Ron Paul) [select one or many].

Did any one read yesterday what Hillary wants to do with the war on terror? Or should I say not do in the WOT? Can someone link to it (don't have it handy).

The Democrats will gain seats in Congress next year. If Hillary or a similiar Dem gets elected President, we're f*cked.

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I wonder if the authorities have identified a common factor linking the suspects yet?

Heh. I wouldn't hold my breath for anything believable. After all, we already just know that they are all disaffected yoots seeking a purpose in life. They have all the same worries other yoots in Deutschland: flugzeugunfall, etc., etc.

Said purpose has now been found, and they have but one worry - trying to stay out of jail.

It's a life-simplification thing, really. I suggest Turkish or Mexican prison.

OldLineTexan

Part of this is due to the rabidly anti-American media in Europe which only makes it more likely that some deranged Europeans will turn to Islam in order to live out their hatred of all things American. See:
[Link: www.medienkritik.typepad.com...]

re: #9 yah

I do wonder if there are attacks planned in other places that have not been foiled - that this was just one rocket in the fireworks show they have been bragging about.

I have a sinking feeling we will find out come next Tuesday ...

re: #11 JammieWearingFool

But ... but ... Islam is Peace!

I notice how the Germans were eavesdropping. Isn't that domestic spying?

Of course, the Times also notes:

Counterterrorism experts here expressed wariness, noting that in almost every major attack or suspected plot since 9/11, the role of Al Qaeda has been raised but rarely substantiated.

They apparently need video evidence of Osama giving direct orders.

Note their "experts" were not named.

A--holes.

Well, its an established fact that all AQ operations are coordinated by carrier camel carrying gilded scrolls in arabic detailing the attack plans. Anything less does not meet with AQ standards.

Um, okay.

We , as the West, are playing an INSANE game.
It's called sitting duck.

Sooner or later one attack or the other will go through.
Then we will start yelling...and waiting for the next.

We need Leaders worth this name, persons able to deploy a general strategy. Not frigging politicos craving for their Martini time and their retirement in villas on this or that Riviera, WARRIORS instead.

So, that means that there were at least 13 people involved in the German plot, another 5 in the Danish plot, and there may be connections between the two.

re: #1 looking closely
That is a most curious phrasing indeed.

This investigation was certainly wide ranging - 41 houses across Germany were searched yesterday.

German officials were visibly relieved by the arrests — the fruits of an elaborate investigation involving more than 300 people. On Wednesday, police officers raided 41 houses and apartments across Germany, seizing computers and other evidence.

But some politicians warned that the danger remained high. “The arrests yesterday are just evidence of how serious the situation here in Germany is,” said Wolfgang Bosbach, a prominent legislator in Chancellor Angela Merkel’s party.

The surveillance was so close that in July, officials said, the police managed to swap some of the tanks of hydrogen peroxide the suspects had gathered with tanks of a far lesser concentration.

One of the suspects, whom police sources identified as Fritz Gelowicz, a 28-year-old German born in Munich, was detained in 2005 in a raid in a Muslim neighborhood in Bavaria. He was put under surveillance again in December 2006, after he was seen scouting an American military barracks in Hanau, according to court documents.

The police are investigating a German-Turkish man, an associate of Mr. Gelowicz’s and also a suspect in the plot, two security officials said. They said he was believed to be in Turkey.

According to an official close to the investigation, at least one of the men is Pakistani, another Lebanese and some are stateless.

What does "stateless" mean? No legal status in any country?

On second thought, if we had video evidence of Osama meeting with any of the terror cells, the authenticity of the tape would be questioned by experts and, of course, the timing questioned.

OT

Fatah members train Hamas police forces

Security officials on the payroll of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah organization have been training Hamas police units in the Gaza Strip, WND has learned.

The information comes as the US recently announced large sums of aid to Fatah and initiated military training programs for West Bank Fatah militias purportedly to back Abbas' group against Hamas and to isolate Hamas in the Gaza Strip and West Bank.

Hamas in recent weeks initiated a training program for the terror group's newly formed street police forces in the Gaza Strip. Last week, Hamas' Al Aqsa television broadcast footage of the new program's first graduating class of about 90 policemen. According to Hamas leaders, hundreds more policemen are currently being trained.

Top sources in Hamas' military wing told WND the police program is being run in part by a "handful" of Fatah officers who still receive salaries from Fatah and who are still publicly identified as Fatah members. The Fatah members are training Hamas police forces quietly, the Hamas sources said.

re: #11 JammieWearingFool

But ... but ... Islam is Peace!

I notice how the Germans were eavesdropping. Isn't that domestic spying?

Of course, the Times also notes:

Counterterrorism experts here expressed wariness, noting that in almost every major attack or suspected plot since 9/11, the role of Al Qaeda has been raised but rarely substantiated.

They apparently need video evidence of Osama giving direct orders.
blockquote>

Like the Mafia Don ("Who will rid me of this stone in my shoe?"), Al Queda doesn' t need to give direct orders.

It indoctrinates people givng them an ideology and a set of priorities, trains them, links them, and then lets them do what they need to do. That's why they are called "cells".

Eurabia marching on (more evidence thereof).

I have not heard any democrat candidate speak about fighting Jihadist terror. Obama says he will make nice with Iran; Hillary will do whatever she will do because she has more experience; Edwards will get another haircut. But maybe I'm not listening well enough.

In addition to Islam, I blame the incessant hatred of America expressed by all media, politicians, and academics in Germany.

re: #21 Killgore Trout

According to an official close to the investigation, at least one of the men is Pakistani, another Lebanese and some are stateless.

What does "stateless" mean? No legal status in any country?

I'd take that to mean they're not a subject of any country, or, more likely, they're not sure of his background, may have assumed aliases, etc.

May I suggest to the German authorities they might want to look in Pakistan first.

re: #16 turn
I have a real bad feeling about it - even if these 10 squeal on others they have learned to keep their "cells" separate. But it seems we would be hearing about a few more busts around the world. A lot of these "jihadists" don't seem to be all that smart. People that blow themselves up aren't real bright.

My guess is that if the attack had been successful against an American site, e.g., Ramstein, nothing about German policy would have changed.
But if the attack had succeeded against a German installation, the gov't would have fallen and all troops pulled out of Afghanistan, ala Spain.

The German people as a whole just don't have the stomach for this.

re: #31 yah

re: #16 turn
I have a real bad feeling about it - even if these 10 squeal on others they have learned to keep their "cells" separate. But it seems we would be hearing about a few more busts around the world. A lot of these "jihadists" don't seem to be all that smart. People that blow themselves up aren't real bright.

You forget about the doctors in Britain. It's something else, I'm afraid (ideology).

Most awesome video ever from US Air Force?

re: #21 Killgore Trout

Could be from Wash DC, Guam or Puerto Rico?

re: #21 Killgore Trout

"stateless" usually means Palestinian.

KARLSRUHE , Germany , Sept. 6 — German investigators were searching today for 10 suspects in connection with a foiled terrorist attack on German and American targets by Islamic militants, officials said. . . .

So that is the PC term, is it? At least they didn't call them yuts.

They might have been preparing for the month of "Bombadan". Somehow I suspect not all "Bombadan" prep has been properly dealt with.

re: #1 looking closely

This was a potentially massive disaster averted, fortunately.

According to an official close to the investigation, at least one of the men is Pakistani, another Lebanese and some are stateless.

What the heck is "stateless". . .are these Palestinians?

From somewhere in here I guess.

Absolute nonsense.

re: #21 Killgore Trout

According to an official close to the investigation, at least one of the men is Pakistani, another Lebanese and some are stateless.

What does "stateless" mean? No legal status in any country?

My quip about them being Palestinian, notwithstanding (if they were known to be from the occupied territories, they probably would be described as "Palestinian" not "stateless"), Kragar probably has this right in #7 above.

Their country of origin is probably unknown to the German authorities, because they are illegals and were operating "off the grid", so to speak.

Fortunately, the Germans probably have a lot more information here than has leaked to the press, though it seems likely that some or all of these people are gone and may get away.

Cartoon seething from CAIR...
Incitement: Cartoon Portrays Iranians as Roaches Fleeing Sewer

SEE: [Link: www.cair.com...]

IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUESTED: (As always, be POLITE.)

Send polite comments about this Nazi-style cartoon depicting Iranians as roaches fleeing a sewer to: (Contact info redacted - ed)

Nazi style? Seethe!

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #1 looking closely

This was a potentially massive disaster averted, fortunately.

According to an official close to the investigation, at least one of the men is Pakistani, another Lebanese and some are stateless.

What the heck is "stateless". . .are these Palestinians?

I'd say illegals who they cant pin a nation to yet.

Water board them till they tell you.

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Excellent CAIRtoon!

(there is a video embed in link)

New Anti-War/Israel Song With Sinead O'Connor Portrays Soldiers as war Criminals, Cheers Jihadis...

Lyrics:

So what the fuck is this UK
Gunnin’ with this US of A
In Iraq and Iran and in Afghanistan

Does not a day go by
Without the Israeli Air Force
Fail to drop it’s bombs from the sky?

How many mothers to cry?
How many sons have to die?
How many missions left to fly over Palestine? (Palestine? never heard of it -ed.)
‘Cause as a matter of facts
It’s a pact, it’s an act
These are illegal attacks
So bring the soldiers back
These are illegal attacks
It’s contracts for contacts
I’m singing concrete facts
So bring the soldiers back

What mean ya that you beat my people
What mean ya that you beat my people
And grind the faces of the poor

So tell me just how come were the Taliban
Sat burning incense in Texas
Roaming round in a Lexus
Sittin’ on six billion oil drums
Down with the Dow Jones, up on the Nasdaq
Pushed into the war zones

It’s a commercial crusade
‘Cause all the oil men get paid
And only so many soldiers come home
It’s a commando crusade
A military charade
And only so many soldiers come home

Soldiers, soldiers come home
Soldiers come home

Through all the blood and sweat
Nobody can forget
It ain’t the size of the dog in the fight
It’s the size of the fight in the dog on the day or the night (rooting on the enemy, classy! -ed.)
There’s no time to reflect
On the threat, the situation, the bark nor the bite
These are commercial crusades
‘Cos all the oil men get paid
These are commando crusades
Commando tactical rape
And from the streets of New York and Baghdad to Tehran and Tel Aviv
Bring forth the prophets of the Lord
From dirty bastards fillin’ pockets

It doesn't matter if they are AQ or not.

Well okay, it matters in some things, certainly to the investigation of further connections, etc., but I'm talking big picture.

Al Qaeda is not the only terrorist group out there. Completely defeating, killing, or arresting every last one of them would not be we were finished.

Other Islamic terrorists are just as much a real threat to lives and freedom. Other terrorists, not of the Islamic variety, although less numerous, are a threat to lives and freedom. For years, the world accepted terrorism as a nuisance, and after 911 we said, "No more." I wish we had meant it, but we've done more to fight it than if we hadn't pledged at all.

re: #1 looking closely

What the heck is "stateless". . .are these Palestinians?

Maybe Gitmo releases that nobody wants back?

As for stateless, it clearly means they are from Virginia, Kentucky, Massachusetts, or Pennsylvania, which are Commonwealths, not states.

OT, but Yikes:

Syrians claims they opened fire on Israeli Aircraft.

I think this may have actually happened, too.

re: #47 Silhouette

Other terrorists, not of the Islamic variety, although less numerous, are a threat to lives and freedom.

Do I dare ask to explain that - oh yeah, its the Christain Right - forget I asked.

re: #31 yah

re: #16 turn
I have a real bad feeling about it - even if these 10 squeal on others they have learned to keep their "cells" separate. But it seems we would be hearing about a few more busts around the world. A lot of these "jihads" don't seem to be all that smart. People that blow themselves up aren't real bright.

They may not be bright, but with so many of them willing to carry out these "Martyrdom Operations" its really just a matter of when, not if. We need to do everything we can to push back now before this cancer continues to grow. I'm not being cynical about the efforts Bush has made so far, I am just saddened that so many people (mainly leftest) just don't see the threat of radical Islam.

re: #47 Silhouette

But I sure agree with everything else you said.

re: #46 WeaselZipper

Chock full of cliches.

re: #52 turn

re: #31 yah

radical Islam>

Don't let the Brits catching you saying that!

'Racist' sports shirts banned from school pic

A school principal in southern Sweden has banned pupils from posing for class photos wearing national team shirts containing Swedish flags. Since national flags may be perceived by some as xenophobic, eighth grade pupils in Karlshamn have been ordered to wear less inflammatory garb for a photo to be published in the school yearbook. "Anybody looking at the photo could view it as a political demonstration," principal Pär Blondell from Strandskolan told news agency TT. The headmaster added that some of the pupils have labelled the ruling "ridiculous".

re: #54 Killgore Trout

re: #46 WeaselZipper

Chock full of cliches.

Zero originality

Charles,

Did you hear about Syria firing on Israeli aircraft that supposedly "violated" their airspace?

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

re: #51 yah

Do I dare ask to explain that - oh yeah, its the Christain Right - forget I asked.

Jump to conclusions much?

No, for example, I was refering to groups like FARC in Colombia. Communist terrorism is far less significant on the world stage right now than Islamic terrorism, but it certainly exists.

(Forgive the wiki link)

#56 Fjordman

Completely surreal. Really, it's like a Saturday Night Live skit. You can't make this stuff up.

#56 Fjordman

"Anybody looking at the photo could view it as a political demonstration," principal P?Blondell from Strandskolan told news agency TT.

Not without those giant puppets, they couldn't.

;D

Have the locals (Germans, that it) demanded US out of Ramstein yet?
Maybe it is just a ploy to divide the local population into two camps.

re: #57 WeaselZipper

re: #54 Killgore Trout

re: #46 WeaselZipper

Chock full of cliches.

Zero originality

But does she rip a picture of Bushchimpcheneyhitler in half, or not?

Is she still shaving her head? Isn't that technically catmeat on her new side?

OldLineTexan

re: #56 Fjordman

'Racist' sports shirts banned from school pic

A school principal in southern Sweden has banned pupils from posing for class photos wearing national team shirts containing Swedish flags. Since national flags may be perceived by some as xenophobic, eighth grade pupils in Karlshamn have been ordered to wear less inflammatory garb for a photo to be published in the school yearbook. "Anybody looking at the photo could view it as a political demonstration," principal P?Blondell from Strandskolan told news agency TT. The headmaster added that some of the pupils have labelled the ruling "ridiculous".

WTF?

re: #34 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Most awesome video ever from US Air Force?

Nice. There was a long section there where they were in continuous bank- inside the eye?

#60: It's not just in Europe, you know. Globalists all over the West are trying to equate national flags with xenophobia:

The EU and the Globalist Alliance

In an essay entitled “Put away the flags,” Howard Zinn, author of the best-selling book “A People’s History of the United States,” writes that “On this July 4, we would do well to renounce nationalism and all its symbols: its flags, its pledges of allegiance, its anthems, its insistence in song that God must single out America to be blessed. Is not nationalism — that devotion to a flag, an anthem, a boundary so fierce it engenders mass murder — one of the great evils of our time, along with racism, along with religious hatred?” He laments that “our citizenry has been brought up to see our nation as different from others,” and concludes that “We need to assert our allegiance to the human race, and not to any one nation.”

The problem is, all these people proclaiming that they are “citizens of the world” fail to acknowledge that rights can only be protected by sovereign states upholding their territorial and legal integrity. How is “the global community” or “the human race” going to protect Mr. Zinn’s liberties? For a free society to function, the state has to pass laws in the best interest of its citizenry, but also have the capacity to enforce these within its territory. Otherwise, self-government is impossible. And in order to defend this territory from outside aggression, people need to identify with it as something more than just a random space on a map. By removing sovereign states, you thus remove the very foundation of a free society.

re: #65 American Soldier

re: #34 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Most awesome video ever from US Air Force?

Nice. There was a long section there where they were in continuous bank- inside the eye?

I think so.

I trust German authorities will do what is necessary to "neutralize" the threat. Attacks would have been on their homeland. The Spanish, even after the "3/11 election" had no problems surrounding remaining Jihadis
and would have taken them out if they hadn't blown themselves up first. If the Spanish Socialists were willing to do that, why would anyone think that Germany under "Eisenfrau" Merkel would do any less?

-S-

re: #67 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

re: #65 American Soldier

re: #34 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Most awesome video ever from US Air Force?

Nice. There was a long section there where they were in continuous bank- inside the eye?

I think so.

Man, what a ride that would be. Closest I've come lately was a treetop-level joyride in Dustoff 369.

Anyone know what the Germans did to make make the religion of peace folks so mad they are compelled to bomb and murder? Occupation? Iraq? Military bases on Saudi soil? Cartoons? The good all purpose reason, "humiliation"?

It must have been something serious because the ROP folks are too busy with an inner struggle, Jihad if you will, to do any violence to anyone.

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They have. Each "person of interest" has a pulse.

Fine law enforcement work by my countrymen. Of personal interest, I have an aunt and uncle living 30 minutes from Karlsruhe.

Let's not fall into the "victims" trap. The crap produced by muslems is on par with masturbatory porn. And, you can't stop it.

On the other hand, you can shrug.

Oy. If most of you only met Israelis, you'd see that they're not victims. Only a small segment falls into that toilet.

While, here, in the USA, worse than the video, is having to look at Chuckie Schumer, a real fascist tool. Where, I've come to believe too many American Jews are sending the worst "of our own" to represent us in Congress.

What can you do?

Please separate out the "victimology" card from the deck. Most of you fart in the general direction of the idiots, anyway.

Freedom is actually good for you.

And, if you think the House of the Soddies are really selling other arabs on their perversions, I can sell you the Brooklyn Bridge that Schumer built. (You mean, you didn't know he once represented Brooklyn-ites?)

Too bad he got sent to Congress.

Wanna buy a clue?

First off, the Soddies are taking in about $3-million-American-dollars-per-minute. And, the spigot's been on since they took control of the oil levers, through OPEC, in 1974.

Do notice that when they "select" targets, they pick stuff you just wouldn't believe.

For instance, you wouldn't believe terrorists would go on killing sprees on board airlines; where the staff was told not to fight back. And, then they'd fly into buildings.

Here. Let me help you out. Because the only thing the Soddies know how to fund, really, is not based on bravery. But stupidity.

Yes, they'll kill lots of people. The more the merrier.

While the political elites, and the hollyweird types, seem to travel in a parallel universe; where they don't expect any fallout to hit them. And, here in the USA, they've already grabbed all the bureaucratic powers they could get. And, handed these plums off to people "selling" you the affirmative action garbage.

True. The Saud's aren't running out of money.

But their targets can be protected. And, that's what appears to be happening. Country in. And, country out.

Can you convince DePalma? Hell, no! His Iraqi war movie [Redacted] happens to be a rehash of his anti-Vietnam war movie film made in the 1980's. As if you remember Michael J. Foxx playing the lead. And, Sean Penn playing the "bad guy." What a bunch of fruit cakes.

As a matter of fact, as people develop stronger backbones, instead of going crazy ... they turn. And, fart in the general direction of the idiots. That when their plans go awry, tend to look like the toasted dude (who had an engineering credential), putting himself on fire, at the Glasgow airport; where ... wouldn't you know it. He missed the class on how to use a tape measure. Thank goodness.

So. Since the bad guys won't go away, what can you do?

Well, you can hope our laws keep working, enough, so that the police can function. Should the laws fail? Ah. Our 2nd Amendment could do what it did before; to the American indians.

Unless you knew your history; you wouldn't know that the only buffalo you'd see in 1905, was on the back of an American nickel. Ranchers and cow pokes took advantage of the standing buffalo herds. And, killed them, per year, at about 3-million over 12 months. Till there was no food, and artifacts left for the "last of the Mohegans."

Playing with fire can do that.

Keep your backbones intact. Please, do not think "playing the victimology card" is beneficial. Leave that crap for the affirmative action dogs; who need to be swept from public offices. (No. Hopefully not with the 2nd Amendment.)

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I wonder if the authorities have identified a common factor linking the suspects yet?

I say search them for prayer wheels, mandalas, books of Zen koans and that sort of stuff. It tends to turn up everytime in such cases.

TMBB
They Might Be Buddhists

/do i really need it?

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Cartoon seething from CAIR...
Incitement: Cartoon Portrays Iranians as Roaches Fleeing Sewer

SEE: [Link: www.cair.com...]

IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUESTED: (As always, be POLITE.)

Send polite comments about this Nazi-style cartoon depicting Iranians as roaches fleeing a sewer to: (Contact info redacted - ed)

Nazi style? Seethe!

I emailed the paper and got this as a reply
(my email)
I'm glad your paper has the courage to stand up to groups like CAIR(unindicted co-conspirators). Instead doing the islamophobia charge that CAIR normally does, maybe they should help rout out the problem in the culture and religion

(reply)
thanx. the letters of support have been few and far between.

Glenn Sheller
Editorial Page Editor
The Columbus Dispatch
(phone # left out)

Please use the email and thank them for the courage they are showing