Whoa.....that is scary, Charles.

Unreal...

~ENT

Ah, me. What a disappointment. And here I thought the Solar System had only one planet as well...

Catch this charles

Minnesota website teaches people how to attack US military targets

video

[Link: cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com...]

What % of the population, in 1947, thought FDR caused Pearl Harbor or "let it happen."

Lincoln was prescient on many things his 1838 Lyceum speech. Scarily prescient about the greatest danger too.

Why on earth did OBL ever bother to work up a plot to destroy the twin towers, when it appears there are so many willing people here in America to "crash" us from the inside out?

?

~ENT

Okay... So Zogby's polls are skewed. I meant skrewed.

This is mas insanity.

Re No. 4, I believe almost none. In fact at the Casablanca conference in 1942 it was with some misgivings on the USA's part that the decision was made to get Hitler first, then Japan, because the citizens of the USA were hot for kicking the tar out of the Japanese.

I guess they got what they paid for a custom ordered poll.

re: #4 Alouette

What % of the population, in 1947, thought FDR caused Pearl Harbor or "let it happen."

The sad thing is...is that more then a few people I've met (including my father-in-law) are convinced that FDR knew of Pearl Harbor in advance of the attack and let it happen.

I'm afraid that believing the government is that cold-blooded that it will kill its own to further its agenda is much more common then we want...and it's proved daily by the 'trooffers'.

This one's for Zombie,

What are you going to do next Tuesday, you know with the anniversary coming up? Is there going to be something in SF?

How many knotheads responded to this poll? I refuse to believe that your standard democrat is this mad. The hard core loony left, ok. But your run of the mill Teddy Kennedy dem is not this batshit crazy, are they?

re: #8 Ojoe

This is mas insanity.

Re No. 4, I believe almost none. In fact at the Casablanca conference in 1942 it was with some misgivings on the USA's part that the decision was made to get Hitler first, then Japan, because the citizens of the USA were hot for kicking the tar out of the Japanese.

Which reminds me, who complained that "Hitler had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor" the way the moonbats like to complain that "Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11"?

re: #8 Ojoe

This is mas insanity.

Re No. 4, I believe almost none. In fact at the Casablanca conference in 1942 it was with some misgivings on the USA's part that the decision was made to get Hitler first, then Japan, because the citizens of the USA were hot for kicking the tar out of the Japanese.

After all, we Americans believe in business before pleasure....

If anyone needs proof that Democrats are too dangerous and cannot seriously be trusted with running this nation, this is it. A party run by bad ideas is one thing. A party run by delusional paranoids? That's just not funny.

re: #10 DaMishMan

The government knew in a general way that the Japanese were on the warpath, but that is about all; no spy satellites then; no advanced radar; no airships patrolling the Western Pacific; it was a different world.

What do the acronyms mean in Screw Loose Change's website?

LIHOP, MIHOP

re: #12 pingjockey

re: #12 pingjockey

But your run of the mill Teddy Kennedy dem is not this batshit crazy, are they?

Questionable. They all have Mary Jo lookin' over their left shoulder.

You phrase the question just right, and you could run a poll where the majority of the Catholics who vote in it agree that the Pope is Satan.

I don't know why anyone pays attention to the idiot troofers anyway.

Even though polls say whatever the pollster would like them to say, the more I talk politics and current events with friends, the more I shake my head at the MSM talking points spewed as fact over and over.

Bush let Pearl Harbor happen, Just ask a toofer.

Ya'all need to read Dr. Sanity regularly.

Okay, 42% of democrats think 9/11 was an inside job. About half
of Americans are democrats. That's about 1/4 of the population that
think that way. 1/4 of the people are retards.

Do "Truthers" eat lead paint chips? I'm trying to find some excuse for them.

My fellow Americans would rather put the blame of 9/11 on their own country or on their own people (with NO proof) and not the real evil that is spreading through out the world?

I need to get on anti-depressants, this is to much.

re: #18 vxbush

What do the acronyms mean in Screw Loose Change's website?

LIHOP, MIHOP

Let It Happen On Purpose
Made It Happen On Purpose

re: #17 Ojoe

re: #10 DaMishMan

The government knew in a general way that the Japanese were on the warpath, but that is about all; no spy satellites then; no advanced radar; no airships patrolling the Western Pacific; it was a different world.

Yes, I knew that and I've argued that with those that are of the bent we knew it was a certainty and let it happen. I've read up on that time to prepare myself for debate. Still, I don't let it bother me. My Grandfather and Grandmother both lived through that time with my Grandfather serving in the navy as a Seebee (island hopping in the Pacific, God Bless him!) and they know for a fact that it was what it was...a surprise attack that propelled us into war.

re: #19 Cap'n DOC I don't think that poor woman is ever in their pointy little heads.

The saddest thing is that no Democrat candidate has the stones to come out against "Trooferism", no matter how vile and cancerous (not to mention stupid and indefensible) to the nation it is. They will actually placate these little monsters until after the primaries, instead of putting them in their place.

I wonder how many of the Dem candidates are in fact retarded Troofers themselves?

re: #18 vxbush
Losers International House of Pancakes?

This makes me sick to my stomach....You gotta have alot of faith that the government would be that stupid....reminds me of something i saw the other day: target="_blank">[Link: www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net...]

you guys will love this and its sooooooo true

Would it be wrong to forcibly medicate the entire Democratic Party?

re: #32 Cap'n DOC

re: #18 vxbush
Losers International House of Pancakes?

And that would be served up with Lil' Porkies.

re: #34 bulwrk

Would it be wrong to forcibly medicate the entire Democratic Party?

They'd do it to us in a heartbeat.

re: #26 Ayazheniangel

My fellow Americans would rather put the blame of 9/11 on their own country or on their own people (with NO proof) and not the real evil that is spreading through out the world?

I need to get on anti-depressants, this is to much.

Otherwise they would have to give on multiculturalism and exchange it for another belief system. The mere thought of it would make their heads explode.

re: #34 bulwrk

You mean they are that stupid while sober?, God help us.

Shoot! I wish had taken that hot stock tip to buy into the tinfoil manufacturer.

I question the timing of these findings.

re: #34 bulwrk

Would it be wrong to forcibly medicate the entire Democratic Party?

i think this poll shows at least 42% are self medicating...

If you believe this poll, 19.2% of Republicans say the same thing.

Despite the endless hard work done by Planned Parenthood, enough Democrats still aren't getting abortions, I'm afraid.

And obviously, Dims don't read Popular Mechanics either...

Yes, the MYTHS... That's it! Zogby missed that issue!

42%? That about equals the drop out rate of NYC'S Public schools......of course , if they had of dropped out...then they wouldn't have learned that truth, in the first place....LOL!

re: #12 pingjockey

How many knotheads responded to this poll? I refuse to believe that your standard democrat is this mad. The hard core loony left, ok. But your run of the mill Teddy Kennedy dem is not this batshit crazy, are they?

Your "run of the mill Teddy Kennedy dem" has been a hardcore America-hater since the ceasefire in Korea. They see 9/11 as just another chance to bash the rest of us, including any Democrat who doesn't buy their worldview. Not that there are many such Democrats left, as they've spent the last two decades (since Reagan's back-to-back shutouts of "enlightened progressives" in '80 and '84) purging the Party, and especially its leadership, of "reactionaries" with a verve that Leon Trotsky would have admired. (See A National Party No More by Zell Miller.)

Add in the fact that Zogby has a long track record of slanting his poll results to make the "Palestinian cause" look good (as he told Bill O'Reilly on air back in 1997), and you have a fairly good idea of the sort of "knotheads" who are anticipating running this country- and the world- for the next century or so.

Subject to approval from the Imams, of course.

cheers

eon

re: #29 DaMishMan

Oh yeah, my dad flew P-38s in the pacific, I'm here today because Truman used the bomb, you can ignore history but what happened happened, no use having illusions.

Si vis pacem para bellum.

OT: My friend Doc Disgruntled coined a word the Lizards will like: "Ronulans," to describe Ron Paulbots who spam the online polls and forums in order to overstate his "popular support." As in, "Red Alert! Ronulans off the Starboard bow!"

-tsk

42% of Democrats think Bush either caused 9/11 or let it happen

Which means that South Park is prophecy. Almost half of America really IS retarded.

Not exactly the party of Roosevelt and (JF) Kennedy anymore, are they.

re: #48 buzzsawmonkey

Pamphlet takers or Pamphlet makers. That is the question. Whether it is ignobler to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous Gramscian whoredom....

yadda yadda yadda

re: #12 pingjockey

No, they aren't. Just the ones that answer calls that say "Unknown name, unknown number" on their caller ID.

re: #46 Ojoe

Damn straight!

Despite the drunkard in the Senate from Massachusetts, I believe that JFK would have no choice but be a Republican today. The man was a patriot. He would not belong to an anti-American organization (which is exactly what the Democrat Party of today is).

re: #53 DaMishMan

I concur!

And these people think they're going to win the White House?

HAH!

Wow.

Just imagine how delusional these guys will be when President Bush is out of office and free to roam the country. That sort of evil just cannot be contained and sit idle. He'll be behind every misplaced remote, dinged car door, and long line at the check-out counter.

Watch over your shoulder, Lefties. Bush will be there, personally making your everyday lives a living hell.

...Not that you're already making yourselves miserable enough as it is with BDS.

Hmmm...I'm actually surprised it was only 42% and not higher.

You can take your pick but some intelligent Libs do believe Bush is partially at fault simply because they do not trust him.

Reagan never had any credibility gap with the US public. People disagreed with him but pretty much trusted him to say what he believed and not to blatantly lie to them.

Bush's credibility has been hurt by not finding Saddam's stockpiles (yet), poor PR appearance of indifference with Katrina, high gas prices and poor management of post-war Iraq. This is real baggage that burdens the administration every day.

You and I know that any American officer ordered not to arrest anyone in on 911 prior to the attack would not agree to do so if they knew people would die AND would not keep quiet about it afterwards. It would only take one or two credible reports of such conduct and Bush would be impeached and removed from office.

So the poll does reflect the unhappiness with and mistrust of Bush and little more; for a President planning to whack Iran, it is an indication of the daunting challenge he has to justify (if he has to to do it) his actions.

hardly surprising...like they say on the 9/11 South Park episode...1 out of every four Americans is an idiot
on a random note...
I saw Harold Ford walking a chihuahua down my street as I was out with my dog (Union Square area, NYC)

ALL THEIR BONG ARE BELONG TO US.
~ The Ganjahadeen,
and the Hempsters Union

Zogby?

Please.

re: #56 DesertSage

And these people think they're going to win the White House?

HAH!

Evidently you are not paying attention to just how many of your fellow Americans are deeply stupid, easily led, and believe everything the Dem-led MSM tell them on TV and in the newspapers.

Yes, they do believe they can win. There's a good chance they're right.

re: #48 buzzsawmonkey

"E" about covers it, I think. To judge from the bile Avery spouted on LGF before our gracious host, Mr. Charles Johnson, justifiably banned him lo, these many years ago.

(It was before I became a Lizard, but I read the archive on another thread a while back.)

Avery & Co. aren't just loons. They are cynical, avaricious, power-hungry loons.

I'm sure that the Koslings just love them.

(Even if Moulitsas won't let them say so where it might get noticed.)

cheers

eon

re: #49 BabbaZee

42% of Democrats think Bush either caused 9/11 or let it happen

Which means that South Park is prophecy. Almost half of America really IS retarded.

I've long held that Trey Parker and Matt Stone are, indeed, prophets. Maybe not Hebrew Bible style, but they have their finger on the pulse of our times in a way that few people do.

I'm endlessly amused and deeply saddened by the notion that the same government that could flawlessly execute an incredibly complex multi-year, multi-national, multi-industry, multi-cultural conspiracy, couldn't find the time to plant any obvious WMDs in a country that already had them, just two years later. LOL.

re: #65 Pawn of the Oppressor

There is usually prophecy in very astute humor, yes, I know what you mean.

OT"If these were Swedish-Americans or Italian-Americans, we would not be in this position." -–Attorney Andrew J. Savage, Charleston, SC lawyer for Youssef Samir Megahed;

[Nominated by the Northeast Intelligence Network as the MOST ridiculous statement of the day].
Another fine example of Troofers, where was this guy during American History during WW2? I think we profiled Germans, Italians and Japanese like mad.

re: #31 Lizard by the Bay

I wonder how many of the Dem candidates are in fact retarded Troofers themselves?

Would be a good question for their next "debate" wouldn't it.

and on the original subject....the troofers vote ! Unfortunately.

re: #45 eonImams, shmimams, not going to happen here. My grandparents were FDR dems, so was mom, but during the sixties she changed her tune. I think I've conservative since I was five, 1964, Goldwater, Dad just loved the guy and of course had to emulate dad. But after reading, and serving in the navy and being involved up close and personal to what Carter and Clinton did to the military the dems have no FUCKING idea how the real world works.

re: #59 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

You can take your pick but some intelligent Libs do believe Bush is partially at fault simply because they do not trust him.

Reagan never had any credibility gap with the US public. People disagreed with him but pretty much trusted him to say what he believed and not to blatantly lie to them.

Bush's credibility has been hurt by not finding Saddam's stockpiles (yet), poor PR appearance of indifference with Katrina, high gas prices and poor management of post-war Iraq. This is real baggage that burdens the administration every day.

You and I know that any American officer ordered not to arrest anyone in on 911 prior to the attack would not agree to do so if they knew people would die AND would not keep quiet about it afterwards. It would only take one or two credible reports of such conduct and Bush would be impeached and removed from office.

So the poll does reflect the unhappiness with and mistrust of Bush and little more; for a President planning to whack Iran, it is an indication of the daunting challenge he has to justify (if he has to to do it) his actions.

Were you around during Reagan's terms? The libs hated him. Of course they were many Reagan democrats (I was one) but the liberals still distrusted him and thought he would push the button and blow up the world at any moment. Even the group Genesis made a music video about him nuking the planet.

You see, with your garden variety deeply entrenched Plame and Wilson types infesting the beltway, no freaking way 911 could have possibly been an inside job.

Every single day I keep seeing the parallels of the United States and Rome
Does anybody else see it?
And if Billary got elected i bet she would pull a Chavez and appoint herself for life
Folks...
I am getting worried
David

Funny. My boyfriend doesn't believe the Jews or any other such nonsense as that is responsible, but he does feel it is plausible that the US government dropped the ball on this one and may have done so somewhat on purpose to trigger a catalyst for beginning the War on Terror, which needed to happen anyways. He isn't a US citizen and marches down the middle of most subjects so I don't consider him a Troofer. I think their are a multitude of beliefs on 9-11 and some of them are clearly out there, but I don't think we can throw them all in the crazy bowl together.

re: #63 Lizard by the Bay

re: #56 DesertSage

And these people think they're going to win the White House?

HAH!

Evidently you are not paying attention to just how many of your fellow Americans are deeply stupid, easily led, and believe everything the Dem-led MSM tell them on TV and in the newspapers.

Yes, they do believe they can win. There's a good chance they're right.

I don't believe that for a moment. They're getting dumber by the day.
You also have to remember that out of the 42% probably only 20% of them even bother to vote. The rest of them won't get out of bed or leave their mothers basement

#67 pimf American History class for WW2

re: #59 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

His credibility gap with me starts with Jerusalem and has yet to end, but that does give rise to insane theories about 9/11

WE WILL MOVE THE EMBASSY THERE AS SOON AS I AM PRESIDENT!

and unfortunately I do not think he has the stones to hit Iran, he is too busy arming the Palestinians and the Saudis

re: #72 LeftJustAintRightDon't buy trouble until they seriously go after the 2nd Amemdment. If they disarm us then they can try out their socialist utopia nonsense. Until then, stay informed. This is a damn good place for that.

re: #70 newsjunkie_ky

Yes I was HATED for not hating him then, it was derangement equal to now...just that there was no net and 24 -7 cable to make it seem never ending

As a Canadian with ties to the US (wife is American), I used to think that the Republicans were a bunch of attack dogs and that the Democrats were ideologically closer to where I stood.

As I get older, I think that the Democrats are a bunch of navel gazing, misguided fools and ex-hippies who have no absolutely idea of reality, let alone what is right and wrong.

This poll simply confirms that.

re: #65 Pawn of the Oppressor

Could the answer to all this not be simply that people aren't willing to accept that their society is vunerable to terrorism; that that thought unsettles them and rather than face that fact they look for a conspiracy which accounts for the attack, but which also leaves them assured that they would be safe if only.......

re: #73 Melissa in NorCal

Funny. My boyfriend doesn't believe the Jews or any other such nonsense as that is responsible, but he does feel it is plausible that the US government dropped the ball on this one and may have done so somewhat on purpose to trigger a catalyst for beginning the War on Terror, which needed to happen anyways. He isn't a US citizen and marches down the middle of most subjects so I don't consider him a Troofer. I think their are a multitude of beliefs on 9-11 and some of them are clearly out there, but I don't think we can throw them all in the crazy bowl together.

Melissa, I think you need a new boyfriend.

Gotta go! (pigs be upon imams).

Here's the combined "made it happen/let it happen" percentges for some other groups:

NASCAR fans: 31.5%
Weekly Wal-Mart shoppers: 32.5 %
Gun owners: 32.7 %
Single people: 55.8 % (!)

re: #28 Alouette

LOL they say it over and over so many times they need an acronyms for it.

But we can't question their patriotism...

OK, enough is enough.
TROOFERS, I have something to tell you.
YOU are CORRECT! I confess. I am one of about 3,000 well trained, highly disciplined BushitlerHaliburton Soldiers, and we did perpetrate the 9/11 attacks as ordered by our superiors. We are a well oiled machine that, to a man, has kept this conspiracy quiet for over 6 years. That is discipline!
You can be assured that we know where every single one of you TROOFERS live and have devised plans to take care of you one by one.
Once this is accomplished, I will appear on Leno to promote my book "How We Did It!". It should be worth millions.
Until then, I'd watch my back if I were you.

Power to the Correct People!
(Except the paranoid ones.)

/do I really need this?

re: #85 IslandLibertarian

Well...
now I have to kill you.

The next knock you hear on your door will be...

If you watch mainstream media you think that Bush let 9-11 happen by failing to take "the plan to deal with Bin Laden" from Richard Clarke. Basically it argues that the Bush administration was so incompetent that it was negligent and allowed 9-11 to happen. Also its the "buck stops here" and "happened on his watch" argument motivates people to say its Bush's fault. Flawed reasoning but thats their position. It is sad that the war on Islamic extremism cant just lead both parties to say there were systematic failings in our security that must be corrected to secure our future.

Isn't zogby just a 'pissed off muslim'?
I heard that somewhere.

re: #73 Melissa in NorCal

you might want to have your boyfriend checked for bds anyway.....has anyone found a cure yet?

re: #73 Melissa in NorCal
There is one truth about September 11th. Let's not make any mistake about it. Anyone, and I do mean anyone who suggests that anything else but the truth is truly insane. I'm not kidding here. I am dead serious.

IT'S THE BRAIN PARASITES I TELLS YA.

re: #49 BabbaZee

42% of Democrats think Bush either caused 9/11 or let it happen

Which means that South Park is prophecy. Almost half of America really IS retarded.

Worse, much worse. They are stupid. Ignorance can be fixed with some education, but stupid is permanent.

The Democratic party should change its name to the Socialist Kumbyya No Appeasement Left Behind party (Communists, Welfare Squatters, Illiterates, Abortionists, Illegals, Disaffected Youth, Dhimmi's and ACLU welcome). Those left out of the welcome list are included here - !@#$^&*%*.

re: #73 Melissa in NorCal

Funny. My boyfriend doesn't believe the Jews or any other such nonsense as that is responsible, but he does feel it is plausible that the US government dropped the ball on this one and may have done so somewhat on purpose to trigger a catalyst for beginning the War on Terror, which needed to happen anyways. He isn't a US citizen and marches down the middle of most subjects so I don't consider him a Troofer. I think their are a multitude of beliefs on 9-11 and some of them are clearly out there, but I don't think we can throw them all in the crazy bowl together.

There are also a multitude of facts out there, and those who choose to ignore them in order to smear the government - beyond the blame it and previous governments clearly deserve - DO indeed belong in the "crazy bowl". To suggest that the government dropped the ball "somewhat on purpose" is nuts, and viciously so.

re: #85 IslandLibertarian

OK, enough is enough.
TROOFERS, I have something to tell you.
YOU are CORRECT! I confess. I am one of about 3,000 well trained, highly disciplined BushitlerHaliburton Soldiers, and we did perpetrate the 9/11 attacks as ordered by our superiors. We are a well oiled machine that, to a man, has kept this conspiracy quiet for over 6 years. That is discipline!
You can be assured that we know where every single one of you TROOFERS live and have devised plans to take care of you one by one.
Once this is accomplished, I will appear on Leno to promote my book "How We Did It!". It should be worth millions.
Until then, I'd watch my back if I were you.

Power to the Correct People!
(Except the paranoid ones.)

/do I really need this?

I was going to spill the beans but the helicopters are circling my house..... oh wait there a big wreak on the freeway.

re: #92 ploome hineni

I love ;context'

Zogby has to be understood and seen in context

Most definitely!

re: #91 NoSubmission

The New theme of the Democratic Party

Tha Pwethident did it.
Give me a break.
Who's been spiking the KoolAid?
Can the president sue this many people for libel/slander/defamation?

re: #89 ploome hineni

excellent info Ploome
I knew about it,
I think you taught me originally of it
but it is so important to post it again
thanks

re: #86 BabbaZee

Well, there goes my BOOK deal............

PTTCP

re: #102 IslandLibertarian

re: #86 BabbaZee

Well, there goes my BOOK deal............

PTTCP

what i would do is claim you have been outed by babbazee and tell your story on good mornin' you retards.......

The left has been very successfully at the infiltration of the education system and the indoctrination of a generation. The result is apparent....

Non-thinking masses, Orwell come true.

re: #90 bluegrass boy

re: #73 Melissa in NorCal

you might want to have your boyfriend checked for bds anyway.....has anyone found a cure yet?

Hammer blows seem to make them forget their symptoms for awhile.

re: #34 bulwrk

Would it be wrong to forcibly medicate the entire Democratic Party?

Years ago (this is back in the Reagan years) I remember a bumper sticker that said "Lobotomies for Republicans: It's the Law." I wanted to make up stickers to put on them that said "So that's where Democrats come from."

re: #103 bluegrass boy

lol

re: #99 BabbaZee

re: #91 NoSubmission
The New theme of the Democratic Party

This is too. I don't like people revising the death of my friend and 3,000 other human beings for their own selfish psychotic reasons. If they want to spit in the face of all of us who had to live through it, then they can go %#()* themselves!

Just wondering?

What is the birth rate in the Democratic party?

has anyone here seen the movie "idiocracy"?.......pretty funny stuff...about the dumbing down of the world every generation...

Submitted for your perusal, the long awaited, much anticipated NFL picks, prognostications and forecast for this glorious NFL season, about to kick off. Fortunately, since you're reading this, you've already enforced the newly-instaalled Olbermann Rule.

I hate having to do picks days in advance of the bulk of the schedule, but WTF.

Besides, I have a wedding to attend this weekend down on the Joisey shaw...

NFL Week 1

Remember, if you win, I'll accept cash gratuities.

If you lose, don't blame me.

re: #47 theshatnerkid

Starboard > RIGHT
Port > LEFT

Don't forget the POOP deck either.

re: #104 jcm

Orwell come true.

Huxley too
Read Brave New World again sometime...

re: #73 Melissa in NorCal

I'd think about booting his butt to the curb.

re: #108 NoSubmission

Amen.

How very sad.

I find, lately, those are the only words I can say here, without getting Stinky all worked up.

It's sad, but true.

This nation, and much of the world are growing more insane by the day, and yet, it is tolerated.

re: #112 Cap'n DOC

re: #47 theshatnerkid

Starboard > RIGHT
Port > LEFT

Don't forget the POOP deck either.

Head... grate at the front (head) of the ship for..... open to the weather and seas.

I'd like to know what % of the 42% believe that the moon landings/walks were faked.

Moonbats against moon-walks and in favor of 9/11. It's what happens when people toss reason out the window; we're left with mental pollution amongst the Moonbattiest ... a pollution too dreadful to be named by them .. hence the substitute fears over the 'environment'.

73 Melissa:

I'm a Psychiatrist. I have colleagues in California I can refer your boyfriend too.

Some even specialize in Paranoid Personality Disorder and Acute and Chronic BDS.

I think as long as it stays a Democratic phenomena it's good news, makes them very beatable in elections. Unfortunately the Ron Paul crowd brings it to the Republican side, and the left leaning press treats it as a mainstream theory. I'm afraid we're stuck with it.

re: #111 JammieWearingFool

ive never understood why the nfl plays at this time of the year when real football fans are already watching college ball!...i thought the season was called off anyway after that whole vick thing....

go dawgs!

One of the commentors over at Hot Air...

Plus, 1000 people just doesn’t qualify as a valid sample. Take this with a pound of salt.

...hasn't really studied statistics.

re: #117 jcm

Oh yah... That one.

re: #104 jcm

Orwell come true.

Huxley too
Read Brave New World again sometime...

And ANTHEM by Rand , too - her one great moment of brevity, lol

Can't we just have a fight to the death with these pencil wristed leftist kooks?

Oh yea, we already are.

My bad.

re: #12 ping jockey
#20 Yashaka
#21 tappin52
#38 DEZes

Yes, they are this crazy. Where I live, a land full of limousine liberals and moonbats, people say that Bush let 9/11 happen in casual conversation. A couple of years ago a non-crazy mainstream liberal friend of 25 years was ready to believe an engineer who alleged (in the L.A. Times) that 9/11 couldn't possibly have happened the way the government said it did, it had to have been an inside job, etc., etc. We haven't spoken since. I've learned I have to keep quiet if I don't want spend all my time in angry arguments.

I'm so grateful for lgf.

re: #116 republic

How very sad indeed.

re: #80 threecoloursblue

re: #65 Pawn of the Oppressor

Could the answer to all this not be simply that people aren't willing to accept that their society is vunerable to terrorism; that that thought unsettles them and rather than face that fact they look for a conspiracy which accounts for the attack, but which also leaves them assured that they would be safe if only.......

There's also a good bit of unconscious hubris involved. By hitting NYC, the Islamists struck at what most "progressives" consider their ideological "home turf"- the "Bluest of the Blue". They could understand a strike at places in the "Redneck Red" states (Oklahoma City comes to mind, even though it was the work of a full-on Turner Diaries reader), but they simply cannot accept that the Islamists make no distinction between "Red State America" and "Blue State America". To the Islamists, we are all "The Great Satan"- which the Truthers regard as not being given proper credit for their own "enlightenment".

And since multicultural dogma demands that they believe that no "superior, enlightened, non-Western" philosophy behaves this way, they go instantly to what Ayn Rand called "blank-out". The facts simply can not be true, because they conflict with their dogma. So they create a fantasy that does not conflict with their dogma. The result is not just BDS, but a full-on "Secret Government Derangement Syndrome" right out of The X-Files. (Anyone want to bet that Mulder would be a Truther?)

Just as "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink", you can show a "Troofer" the facts... and he will savagely attack you for being "Part Of The Conspiracy".

Like "Alien Abduction" and "Space Brothers" believers, Truthers demand that only their "proof" be considered valid. Never mind that they don't actually have any.

They Know That They Are Right- And That They Will Win.

What I'm afraid of is that they may be right about the second, in
spite of being absolutely wrong about the first.

cheers

eon

re: #113 BabbaZee

re: #104 jcm

Orwell come true.

Huxley too
Read Brave New World again sometime...

A student came to see me yesterday (a sensible one who thinks that troofers are not merely crazy but despicable). In an email she had provided a relevant quote from Orwell. She said in our meeting that she hates Orwell, only because everything he says seems to be relevant at the moment and it's driving her nuts.

I think I'll suggest Brave New World to her next time I see her.

How are you feeling, btw -- been meaning to ask but lately I'm too pooped to post much. And cranky too.

There is only one true conspiracy.

Islam is a Religion of Peace

re: #113 BabbaZee

re: #104 jcm

Orwell come true.

Huxley too
Read Brave New World again sometime...

Yeah, and the right is always the threat portrayed, if you listen to you lit prof.

re: #12 pingjockey

How many knotheads responded to this poll? I refuse to believe that your standard democrat is this mad. The hard core loony left, ok. But your run of the mill Teddy Kennedy dem is not this batshit crazy, are they?

Yuppers, they are...

re: #125 buzzsawmonkey

succinct and correct

Maybe this explains the tsunami of dementia.

Welcome To the Age of Psychopathy

A clear examination of current reality confirms that as we leave the 20th century’s Era of Narcissism, we are faced with the dawning of an Age of Psychopathy.

Left unchecked, pathology always escalates to a higher level of dysfunction, and narcissism of the malignant variety almost always progresses to frank psychopathy.

In free societies, political discourse has become extreme. In not-so-free societies, it has evolved into denial of reality and calls for violence and even genocide. In the latter societies, people really do believe the most bizarre, horrific and genocidal ideas foisted on them by the dysfunctional regimes that rule them. They willingly construct fantasies and complicated conspiracies to support and buttress those beliefs.

But free societies are not immune or blameless. For example, Holocaust denial, anti-Semitism and 9/11 conspiracies flourish in the Arab world. But the only reason those dysfunctional beliefs continue to be regarded as ‘acceptable and ‘mainstream’ is because there are dysfunctional individuals and groups, even in free societies who give those paranoid ideas credibility and support.

If that sort of cognitive malignancy which can take hold even in a free society were to be denounced and exposed for the cancer it is, the people who hold those beliefs would be marginalized.

They flourish in this world too.

re: #109 Piglet-U93

Just wondering?

What is the birth rate in the Democratic party?

Quite low. They've aborted 40 million potential voters since 1973.

Why do you think they want to open the floodgates?

re: #118 Daisy

I'd like to know what % of the 42% believe that the moon landings/walks were faked.

Moonbats against moon-walks and in favor of 9/11. It's what happens when people toss reason out the window; we're left with mental pollution amongst the Moonbattiest ... a pollution too dreadful to be named by them .. hence the substitute fears over the 'environment'.

The worst of all of that, is that 99.9% of American puiblic schools have been brainwashing 99.9% of at least twe generations with this socilaist/insane leftist disease.

Some people want to try and hold on to hope, that some of the younger generation have their heads screwed on straight, but that doesn't help much, when 99.9% of them don't.

re: #131 Piglet-U93

There is only one true conspiracy.

Islam is a Religion of Peace

Latest Offerings from the Religion of Peace

9/6/2007 ( Narathiwat, Thailand ) - A rubber tapper is killed when Islamic radicals set off a bomb on his plantation.
9/6/2007 ( Yala, Thailand ) - Muslim extremists kill a police officer with a bomb.
9/6/2007 ( Mogadishu, Somalia ) - An elderly man and a woman are killed in a violent grenade attack by Islamic militants.
9/5/2007 ( Yala, Thailand ) - Islamists bomb a grocery store, killing a man and injuring four, including two children.
9/5/2007 ( Mosul, Iraq ) - A suicide bomber kills one other person.
9/5/2007 ( Helmand, Afghanistan ) - Two Afghan police are killed when religious extremists bomb their vehicle.

re: #109 Piglet-U93

Just wondering?

What is the birth rate in the Democratic party?

49/1000: with 86% eventually suffering from AOIS [ Adult Onset Idiocy Syndrome]

re: #122 ChenZhen

One of the commentors over at Hot Air...

Plus, 1000 people just doesn’t qualify as a valid sample. Take this with a pound of salt.

...hasn't really studied statistics.

You always seem to have a way of giving man credit, for nothing.

re: #73 Melissa in NorCal

While I admire your loyalty to your boyfriend, I believe that your statement, "I think their are a multitude of beliefs on 9-11 and some of them are clearly out there, but I don't think we can throw them all in the crazy bowl together." is erroneous. I think we can. They'd have slightly different names .. but they do belong in the crazy bowl.

BTW, I like that expression, "crazy bowl". Is that the communal bowl that Moonbats sup from? :)

Regarding Pearl Harbor and FDR, the book that has the widest support among historians is At Dawn We Slept by Gordon Prange. I think some might be surprised at exactly how much FDR did know. When Kimmel and Short were tried the charge was that they did not adequately respond to the warnings they were given.

I don't think any one at that time considered that the Japanese were capable of the attack they launched, but we knew for a while that an attack of some sort was coming in the Pacific. It was not known until the day before (12/6/41) that Pearl was the target (known as the "east wind, west wind" cable).

The clarity of the warning given to Kimmel and Short is debatable, but they were warned. They said in their defense that they were expecting some kind of sabotage and took precautions against that, e.g. Short gathering airplanes up on tarmac so that they could be guarded, which made them easy targets.

One member of the government, fairly high level, quotes Roosevelt saying in conversation that it was necessary to get the Japanese to attack us.

There is no question we knew they were coming. The only argument is to what extent we underestimated the Japanese or failed to take proper action on the knowledge we had. Mostly it seems to be the kind of SNAFU that makes fertile ground for conspiracy theories.

Ya gotta feel sorry for Bush, getting blamed for something he is sure Cheney did.

re: #47 theshatnerkid

OT: My friend Doc Disgruntled coined a word the Lizards will like: "Ronulans," to describe Ron Paulbots who spam the online polls and forums in order to overstate his "popular support." As in, "Red Alert! Ronulans off the Starboard bow!"

-tsk

Here is their Warship....

Wow, I'm shocked !

Shocked that it's ONLY 42% !

We ARE talking about Democrats here. Logic and facts aren't their strong suit !

re: #20 Yashmak

You phrase the question just right, and you could run a poll where the majority of the Catholics who vote in it agree that the Pope is Satan.

I don't know why anyone pays attention to the idiot troofers anyway.

I have to agree.

Polls are having less and less effect on me. I also HATE it when people say that only so and so can run against so and so due to a poll.

Lord...we are so easily influenced.

In college I saw what a joke polls could be. I have yet to see one that impresses me.

re: #137 republic

The worst of all of that, is that 99.9% of American puiblic schools have been brainwashing 99.9% of at least twe generations with this socilaist/insane leftist disease.

Some people want to try and hold on to hope, that some of the younger generation have their heads screwed on straight, but that doesn't help much, when 99.9% of them don't.

Boy that is no lie. The very few that have their head screwed on straight, the schools will be hell bent on unscrewing their heads. YOU MUST CONFORM!

re: #143 abu_garcia

Mostly it seems to be the kind of SNAFU that makes fertile ground for conspiracy theories.

People that believe in conspiracy theories need no kind of SNAFU. If everything goes flawlessly, that is in and of itself, proof of a conspiracy.
People believe in conspiracy theories because it makes things easier for them to accept situations beyond their control. They think the conspiracy is easier to believe in than the truth.
Why don't their candidates get elected? Ahhh It is the fault of a world wide conspiracy like the Illuminati, the Free Masons or (fill in the blank).
How do normal people invent all these cool devices when they can't? Alien technology. No concrete proof? But, that is proof itself because aliens are too smart to leave proof.
How did one man manage to kill the President of the United States? Impossible. The CIA or Mafia, or KGB or President Johnson and his crew must have done it.
Believing that our government did this deed is easier for them than accepting the fact that whole groups of people do not like our way of life and desire to bring it down. Our current administration (whom these guys don't like anyway) may go away after the next election, but the Muslims will be around for a long time.
That's my theory anyway. For what it is worth.

Worked with a troofer once. He was a jerk that nobody could stand that would always try to stir up sh*t by talking behind people's back. Real social retard.

re: #74 DesertSage

I don't believe that for a moment. They're getting dumber by the day.
You also have to remember that out of the 42% probably only 20% of them even bother to vote. The rest of them won't get out of bed or leave their mothers basement

This is too true.

re: #151 Highrise

Desertsage, even the exit polls from the REAL voters proved wrong in 04.

Polls are just a joke.

As to this poll? The Troofers commissioned a poll of 1,000 people. The troofers paid for this poll. They only polled 1,000 people and based their findings on those results? Where did they get the 1,000 people queried? How were the names selected? What is the margin of error?

Like the Troofers, this poll is full of holes and crap. Guess the holes are full of crap?

Remember Zogby is the pollster who predicted an electoral landslide for Kerry on election day 2004. I do not put much stock in his polls.

Also, many of the questions are push polls filled with misleading and inaccurate information. There are not 3 theories to 9/11: there is what happened and there are the ridiculous conspiracy theories. Simply referring to something as the "Official Story", or "Official Line", implies that something is being hidden. Some questions don't even try to disguise the push poll element. ( See WTC7 Question.)

Even with a sympathetic pollster and misleading questions, the troofers didn't get very high marks.

9-11 went against everything the left believes in. They're in total denial. I have seen some of this process up close. They started out depressed and confused in late 2001 and early 2002. Then they slowly started building their alternative narrative. Loose Change is a destillation of a long process. These 42% of Dems live in their own comfy bubble.

Can there be any doubt that STUPIDITY is the primary characteristics of democrats?

re: #151 Highrise

re: #74 DesertSage

I don't believe that for a moment. They're getting dumber by the day.
You also have to remember that out of the 42% probably only 20% of them even bother to vote. The rest of them won't get out of bed or leave their mothers basement

or their aunt's attic.

Yeah....This is messed up. I can only suggest that being lied to for so long will lead to this sort of distrust. I'm disappointed with my own team.

Troofers at zappa.com

Charles, Charles... all you need to know is contained in that one phrase

'a Zogby poll commissioned by Troofers '

Seriously.

re: #155 Peter Verkooijen

9-11 went against everything the left believes in. They're in total denial. I have seen some of this process up close. They started out depressed and confused in late 2001 and early 2002. Then they slowly started building their alternative narrative. Loose Change is a destillation of a long process. These 42% of Dems live in their own comfy bubble.

If true, then they might need to support the military-industrial complex in order to counter this threat. If true, it implies that diversity might not work for all people—some people don't want to blend into the multi-ethnic multicultural utopia. If true, they might actually have to rally behind the "baby-killers" they protested against in the 70's. Who can save us? Michael Moore? **gag**

George W. Bush. In the Oreck vacuum of the Lefty Cranium he is simultaneously the dumbest person ever to occupy the White House and the conniving genius who pulled off the most elaborate evil plot in the history of mankind.

Yep, to the lefties and the CT nuts he's both of them and it makes perfect sense.

#162,
They have no problem with cognitive dissonance, it's a normal state for them. Look at Hillary Clinton, the presumed Dhimm nominee... she is either the stupidest woman on earth (I didn't know about Bill's birddoggin') or a boldfaced liar.
Of course, the two aren't mutually exclusive, now that I think of it.

re: #162 Mich-again

EXACTLY ! And when I bring that very argument to a lefty, they invariably state that "It's not Bush thats smart. He's just a puppet. It's the people (cheney, rove, ect) thats around him. Whereby I say, "So he was smart enough to surround himself with brilliance " !
I like the glazed look in their eyes after that !

re: #42 Lizard by the Bay

Despite the endless hard work done by Planned Parenthood, enough Democrats still aren't getting abortions, I'm afraid.

Hey, LBTB~!

Imainge if Liberals were pro-life!

Those poll numbers would be in the high 70's or low 80's!

I hate abortion, but I can see a silver lining here....

Might as well see a silver lining...abortion hasn't changed for over 30 years now.

~Norsk Troll

re: #125 buzzsawmonkey

re: #94 verderacer

The belief that strongly held opinion = fact, instead of understanding that opinion, no matter how strongly held, must be supported by fact, has become widespread.

Unlike many, I do not believe that this was intentionally inculcated by teachers over the last 40+ years--that is, I do not believe that the majority of teachers consciously implanted this notion as part of a scheme in which they knowingly played a part.

I do, however, believe that successive generations of teachers have been trained ever more to believe that the concept of objective fact is worthless, and that they have imparted this falsehood in increasingly virulent form to succeeding generations of students.

In other words, the Gramscian Whore who is teaching your children is not knowingly selling out his or her birthright, but rather is passing along the corruption into which he or she was indoctrinated. The teacher, however, has been so conditioned to believe in the "validity" of unsupported opinion that anyone who challenges such indoctrination will meet with incredulity, incomprehension, and hostility.

Perfect.

re: Buzz 125, Babba
Robert A. Heinlein agreed with you both, i think.

re: #159 Abu Al-Poopypants

Troofers at zappa.com

What a depressing web sight. At least some posters are trying to defend sanity. Unfortunately the sane seem ametuers among the professionally insane.

There never were any world trade towers, the whole thing was done in a Karl Rove's pr0n studio in the west valley by evil, naked joos.

re: #169 itellu3times

There never were any world trade towers, the whole thing was done in a Karl Rove's pr0n studio in the west valley by evil, naked joos.

And when this one gets to 42% approval, sell.

re: #169 itellu3times

There never were any world trade towers, the whole thing was done in a Karl Rove's pr0n studio in the west valley by evil, naked joos.

Now I know you're lying! I happen to know for a fact that joos don't get naked !

42% of Democrats think Bush either caused 9/11 or let it happen.

Jeez, so 58% of Democrats don't think so?

The statistic isn't that bad, considering how well the dems attract total loony toons.

I suspect the number complete idiots is fairly consistent over time. The next election will probably depend on the finer points of image, and what the population balance is between polarized ideologies.

Right now, I'm liking Thompson, though I think he needs to 'brighten' his message somewhat. America always wants a positive vision to live toward, not a Darth Vader vision -- however realistic it may be.

re: #118 Daisy

I'd like to know what % of the 42% believe that the moon landings/walks were faked.

15% believe the moon landings were fake.
14% believe the moon is fake.
13% give an address on the moon as their home address.

re: #129 eon

Spot on. Its sort of a variation of the old "the tiger won't eat me, I'm a vegetarian!" mindset. The belief that the left owns all that is good, and the people of the world love them, is deeply implanted in their minds. They cannot comprehend that huge swaths of the world think they are ideological imperialists and/or unwitting dupes, and only flatter them to gain favor and foreign aid, simply never occurs to the left. They will continue to block out the truth until the moment the blade comes down.

They must be making their hats out of chinese tinfoil—the lead residue is leaking into their heads.

re: #27 buzzsawmonkey

re: #16 Lizard by the Bay

We don't know that the Democrats are run by delusional paranoids. All we know is that those who do run the Democrats have to pander to delusional paranoids to retain their positions.

Yes. That's the bottom line. No leadership, just pandering to the nut cases. Its just sad (and dangerous).

Troofer Virus Becoming a Pandemic?

Well, in the age where addiction to alcohol, drugs, and even obesity (food) are considered "diseases"...

The majority of the population of Germany followed Hitler. This is nothing new.

re: #178 infidel4life

The majority of the population of Germany followed Hitler. This is nothing new.

Don't even have to go back that far. A majority of Americans had no problem with a President committing serial adultery with women his daughter's age "in the Oval Office" while heads of state waited and thought that was okay. Never mind the groping, serial rape accusations, and the like.

It was then I knew the country was in serious trouble.

Well let's be thankful that they are blaming Bush and not blaming "the Joooos" like that video on LGF of the alleged student from the Muslim Student's Association.

I like the term "Ronulan"

So does this make Hillary a CLINg-on?

I interviewed Pat Curley from Screw Loose Change last night on my Blogtalkradio show Political Vindication Radio. We talked a lot about the troofer movement and whether in thirty years we'd still be talking about this like they do the JFK assassination. His thought that a lot of this has to do with BDS, and that when Bush left office things would cool down a bit. We'll see.

But the questions that were used for this poll were leading questions in many ways, and having gone through a bunch of them, it looks like the Community got what it was looking for...

I also called into a liberal talk show on BlogTalkRadio and got into it with a troofer named Mike Berger. He was talking to the host about how there were reports that the 19 hijackers were still alive. "They wrote about it on the BBC!" he said. I had to call in. After much yelling he told me about some story that two firefighters had found three of the four black boxes from the two planes that slammed into the WTC. "The FBI took the boxes from these firefighters and no one ever saw them again." I asked him for names. I told him that I would check into it and if he was full of crap I'd nail him to the wall.

Later that night I titled my next post "The Wall of Shame: Mike Berger, Conspiracy Entrepreneur." He accuses the FBI of withholding evidence from the investigation of the worst crime in our history - one hour of investigation and his charges fizzle. I found that to be typical with these kooks...

42% of Democrats think Bush either caused 9/11 or let it happen.

That seems about right, because there are about 10 Democratic candidates (counting the wallflowers Gore and Clark) and 4 of them could easily be retarded.

So there's like 4 people standing on this mountain top, a democrat, a republican, an independent and an average patriotic American. The independent pumps his chest, yells this is for my country and jumps off the mountain. Next the republican pumps his chest, yells this is for my country and jumps off the mountain. Finally the average patriotic American pumps his chest, yells this is for my country and throws the democrat off the mountain.

re: #15 Macker

re: #8 Ojoe

This is mas insanity.
Re No. 4, I believe almost none. In fact at the Casablanca conference in 1942 it was with some misgivings on the USA's part that the decision was made to get Hitler first, then Japan, because the citizens of the USA were hot for kicking the tar out of the Japanese.

After all, we Americans believe in business before pleasure....

It all was more likely due to something as simple as geography and lack of hardware that could conquer the geography of the Pacific. We had the tools to take on Hitler nearly from the beginning. The tool that finished off the Pacific, the B-29, did not appear until well into the war. So we had to slog our way across the Pacific island by island with incredibly long supply routes.

The WW-II era featured the United States of America at its "can do" best. We cranked out new design after new design for aircraft, naval tools, land army tools, and everything else. We literally invented such things as tank tread pins hard enough to survive sand abraision while still being tough enough to survive stresses from the motion of the treads. (My father led the lab which invented the solution.) With that little thing our tanks were able to out battle Rommel's.

The European war needed far fewer such advancements as compared to the Pacific war. Euripe was within range of the Mitchell bomber. But the Pacific required something new and much longer range, the B-29. We had to invent it and then manufacture it in the hundreds per year - a rate up to one per day at several plants rolled off the production lines. (3900 planes in 2 years.) And it had the range to go from "safe" airfields all the way to Japan and back with a huge (for that time period) load of bombs.

We produced more bombs per day than we're apparently producing per year now. The U.S. has NOT become engaged with this war effort. We're doing what we're doing on what amounts to chump change compared to what we COULD do if we really fell in behind the effort. But that's another rant.

Back to the original rant - it was simply the supply lines and lack of equipment that prevented any win in the Pacific before Europe was dealt with.

{^_^}

re: #8 Ojoe

Actually, the Casablanca Conference was inJanuary 1943, not in 1942.

I loked it up again.

I love conspiracy kooks. They'se so... cute. And helpless. And needy. And pathetic. Sorta like lost flea-infested puppies in the rain.

One of my good college friends moved to San Francisco after college. He came back to visit the other day, and we had a number of discussions about current events. He became so liberal since college, which was not a huge surprise. But when he told me that he thinks that Bush might have let 9/11 happen I was shocked. Next he'll tell me the Joooooooooooooooooooooooos did it (and he is Jewish). I'm sick of the liberal lies and conspiracy theories infecting people. Charles was absolutely correct to call the troofer theories a virus.

re: #179 goodbye_natalie

re: #178 infidel4life

The majority of the population of Germany followed Hitler. This is nothing new.

Don't even have to go back that far. A majority of Americans had no problem with a President committing serial adultery with women his daughter's age "in the Oval Office" while heads of state waited and thought that was okay. Never mind the groping, serial rape accusations, and the like.

It was then I knew the country was in serious trouble.

yeah and when confronted liberals always said that the perjury was just about sex.
Phisical sexual assaults including rape(juanita Broderick) no big deal

re: #180 Greensoccer

Well let's be thankful that they are blaming Bush and not blaming "the Joooos" like that video on LGF of the alleged student from the Muslim Student's Association.

That's next.

Blaming "them JOOOS" isn't next. It's already here. The worst of the conspiracy nutbags claim that certain "JOOOS" got advanced warning of the WTC attack, presumably from the "JOOO" operatives who masterminded the mass murder in order to implicate those "innocent" Muslims.

Mental illness. That's the only explanation for the "truther" conspiracy crowd.

re: #18 vxbush

What do the acronyms mean in Screw Loose Change's website?

LIHOP, MIHOP

Like International House of Pancakes?

I don't like Bush but what a load of crap. I have to wonder how many people were polled and where? Was this at 911truth.org or at an ANSWER or DAWN or CODE Pink meeting? I don't really think that normal people(and Democrats aren't all far left loons) believe Bush(or his people) planned or let 9/11 happen.

re: #186 jdow-antijihad

Good post, but one quibble:

With that little thing our tanks were able to out battle Rommel's.

Based on pretty much everything I've read, US tanks were generally inferior to the Germans' during the war. At least in the case of Panther or Tiger tanks versus Shermans. The Pershing closed the gap somewhat, but did not see service until very late in the war.

Unfortunately, the psychosis goes so much deeper than just LIHOP/MIHOP. These 'Trufers' believe that the U.S.A. is evil, plain and simple. Everything we do is guided by: (Take your pick)

Large Corporations
Israeli Lobby (or just Jews in general)
Neocons (code for Jews)
Trilateral Commission, Skull and Bones etc etc..

What a bunch of morons eh>

Beyond that I suggest this [Link: www.heritage.org...] for some 'light' reading.. He's got the mindset nailed cold....

-tm

re: #195 Occasional Reader

The Pershing only entered service in February of 45, so the lion's share of tank combat was with the Sherman Tank - known affectionately by their crews as "Ronson Lighters", i.e., they light up with the first strike. No one seems to blame FDR for the inferiority of American tanks vs. German tanks in WWII, but Bush is personably responsible for every Hummvee that isn't "up-armored."

re: #197 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #195 Occasional Reader

The Pershing only entered service in February of 45, so the lion's share of tank combat was with the Sherman Tank - known affectionately by their crews as "Ronson Lighters", i.e., they light up with the first strike. No one seems to blame FDR for the inferiority of American tanks vs. German tanks in WWII, but Bush is personably responsible for every Hummvee that isn't "up-armored."

Excellent point.... The Sherman WAS a death trap. Fortuantly, we just made so damn many of them that our troops were able to overwhelm the Germans....

-tm

Some of you may have already seen this but it is surely worth another look. Truther Busters !

www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000136.html

Ronulans

I like : Paultergeists...they’re noisy, pretty much invisible, usually mischievous and occasionally malevolent!

Say Anything

When you think about it, the Germans had the superior version of just about every major weapon or related system... just not enough of 'em. Radar was about the only exception. (And, come to think of it, aircraft carriers.)

If the Troofers commissioned the poll, they most likely had misleading and biased questions.....I'd sure like to see the actual poll questions....

One of my favorite comments from the SLC site:

You aren[']t concerned that a 3rd of people don[']t believe the official story? How do you intend to debunk 100 million people?

Well, Sparky, polls show that 98% of the U.S. population under the age of 10 believe in Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny; that doesn't make them REAL.

re: #23 ErislDysnomia

Ya'all need to read Dr. Sanity regularly.

Thanks for the tip. What a fantsastic site!

re: #59 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

You can take your pick but some intelligent Libs do believe Bush is partially at fault simply because they do not trust him.

"Intelligent libs"?

You're talking about an emotional response, not an intellectual one (ie one connected to intelligence, or the lack thereof).

Its one thing to question the President's judgment.

Its something else entirely to believe he is complicit in the mass-murder of Americans, despite what might be called "abundant" physical, circumstantial, and eyewitness evidence to the contrary.

troofers are mad as a box of frogs, but bin laden has a 97.43% probability of being dead?

/back to lurking

Troofers have the right idea, but they're looking in the wrong place! Everyone who really investigates the issue will clearly see that Hulk Hogan caused 9/11!

When will this question be asked at the Democratic debates?
It will not be because no matter what the answer is, they will
outrage a huge chunk of the Democratic Party.

re: #192 RedBeard

I heard that a couple of years ago and reviewed the list of dead of the WTC and there were hundreds of Jewish names of the dead so if they were forewarned there were certainly many many many were out of the loop. But when did truth ever make a dent to the troofers?

191 Who Watches the Watchmen
Thanks for the laugh.

208 Robcon
The democratic party is acting like a Rico conspiracy. This lowering of the bail, not taking the passport, and the guy who could be investigated and forced to testify against Hillary disappearing, sure looks like a criminal conspiracy to me.

Thanks for all your concern, but I think I'll keep him. Ted, a Psychiatrist? You guys are the nuttiest! :) He does suffer from a mild infection of BDS, but the more time he spends away from Europe the better things are getting. He blames Clinton for the mess too, not just Bush. He said the Intelligence Agencies are responsible for quite a bit too because they had information that had they put together could have (hindsight always 20/20 right?) possibly stopped it. Truth is, the evil men aboard the planes are 100% responsible for the attack. I do assign blame for not preventing it to our government and its agencies. That includes all of them, from the bottom to the top. Even, to some extent, we are to blame because of our trusting nature of people. The boyfriend was shocked when he first arrived because Americans are so polite. He thought it was an act, but now he knows, we're just really nice mostly.

re: #137 republic

Sorry for my late response ... What you say gives me the shudders .. and all because it's completely true. A young man recently spouted off a whole lot of hogwash in my direction about the "faked moonwalks". What's horrifying is the deep commitment displayed by the young man to this bs. .. his commitment to conspiratorial fantasies have been nurtured, I'm afraid, by the public educational system he was pushed through. Bright enough fellow too .. it's a shame.

re: #173 itellu3times

re: #118 Daisy

I'd like to know what % of the 42% believe that the moon landings/walks were faked.

15% believe the moon landings were fake.
14% believe the moon is fake.
13% give an address on the moon as their home address.

Ha! I can almost believe it!

re: #188 RedBeard

I love conspiracy kooks. They'se so... cute. And helpless. And needy. And pathetic. Sorta like lost flea-infested puppies in the rain.

I like to think of them as baby seals.

What...?

Baby seals are cute.

What...?

:)

Is any more proof needed that numerous liberals/Democrat voters are
a) moronic
b) too lazy to research and think for themselves
c) ruled by the socialist chip installed during their education/indocrination by marxist programmers
d) all of the above

and you'll note that the Democrats who are not so far gone that they ignore commonsense and like, evidence, are however not stampeding away from their fellow Dems who are troofers. They're going to stand right there in the polling booth and vote with the nut-cakes for the same party.

There appear to be no more intelligent Democrats - aside from Lieberman and his voters...and the dumbification is contagious - look at the RHINOS.