I would not call the month of ramadan "holy".

Lt. Gen. Wirote Buacharun, the military commander for the south, said if the situation improves, the curfew may be lifted for good.

Yeah that's going to happen.

And I really had some hope when they started arming the Buddhists.

Insurgency? That word again... these people have no imagination.

The media spin machine overheating yet?

It's getting worse on the way to getting better!

neither would I Ojoe. More like Ramma Damma Bang Boom.

The local people demanded the lifting of the curfew during the Ramadan month [...] [Emphasis mine. --ZY]

Yep. Those are Muslims alright. Ye shall know them by their demands.

Is it Ramadan again?

How come every time I turn around there's some floopy islam holy day we have to make allowances for ?

Gee I wonder what will happen. This has never been tried before.

/

That's bloody bad news for Thailand... literally.

Suicidal idiocy by the Thai government. Keep up the pressure. Tighten the curfew instead of loosening it.

Thailand is running Public Service announcements on all channels, emphasizing the good that we all get when Buddhist Thais and Muslim Thais work in unity for the greater good...

Only been on about 48 hours, can't say how it'll affect the mix...

The videos being played are horrific! (people cut, hacked, blown in half, blown off their feet) with bodies/faces neatly pixilated, so as not to offend...

Pattani and Narathiwat since a long-simmering Islamic separatist insurgency flared up in January 2004. Government efforts to suppress the rebels have met with little success...

Islam. A lot like herpes, evidently.

Isn't this how bin hiding got away from our troops in Afghanistan?

re: #1 Ojoe

I would not call the month of ramadan "holy".

Nothing is holy with the ROP!

#9 astronomer20

me too

re: #13 rabidsquirrel

Pattani and Narathiwat since a long-simmering Islamic separatist insurgency flared up in January 2004. Government efforts to suppress the rebels have met with little success...

Islam. A lot like herpes, evidently.

Too funny!

re: #8 mama winger

Is it Ramadan again?

Makes a full cycle over the seasons every 11 years, because Mo took out the intercalation (an extra month added in some years--the Hebrew calendar works that way) in order to avoid "sun worship".

why can't a military government control a few "rebels"? Pinochet had the right idea on getting commies into line, why can't Thailand take care of a few terrorists?

Here is what ramadan brings: A previous LGF thread: I've never been able to forget this, I have 2 teenage boys:

Child Sacrifice in Iran
Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 1:16:15 pm PST

14 year old boy sentenced to 85 lashes for breaking his Ramadan fast.

A 14 year old boy died on Thursday, November 11th, after having received 85 lashes; according to the ruling of the Mullah judge of the public circuit court in the town of Sanandadj he was guilty of breaking his fast during the month of Ramadan.

The Kurdish site Rojeh’heh Lat reports that the young man’s identity has not been disclosed. He was scheduled for burial on Saturday, November 13th (after 3 days at the local morgue), in the cemetery of Beheshteh Mohammadi in Sanandadj. However due to the public’s realization of the events surrounding the boy’s circumstances the cemetery was stormed [in protest] and his burial did not take place.

re: #11 Perplexed

Suicidal idiocy by the Thai government.

There are Olmerts everywhere.

re: #7 ZionistYoungster

The local people demanded the lifting of the curfew during the Ramadan month [...] [Emphasis mine. --ZY]

Yep. Those are Muslims alright. Ye shall know them by their demands.

excellent, lol

re: #20 Ojoe

However due to the public’s realization of the events surrounding the boy’s circumstances the cemetery was stormed

Did the public storm the cemetary becasue the kid broke his fast, or because Islamists murdered a child?

Rather crucial to know...

re: #22 BabbaZee

¡Babba
Z!

KilokiloShalom!

re: #1 Ojoe

Holy Shiite!

re: #20 Ojoe

Here is what ramadan brings: A previous LGF thread: I've never been able to forget this, I have 2 teenage boys:

Child Sacrifice in Iran
Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 1:16:15 pm PST

14 year old boy sentenced to 85 lashes for breaking his Ramadan fast.

A 14 year old boy died on Thursday, November 11th, after having received 85 lashes; according to the ruling of the Mullah judge of the public circuit court in the town of Sanandadj he was guilty of breaking his fast during the month of Ramadan.

The Kurdish site Rojeh’heh Lat reports that the young man’s identity has not been disclosed. He was scheduled for burial on Saturday, November 13th (after 3 days at the local morgue), in the cemetery of Beheshteh Mohammadi in Sanandadj. However due to the public’s realization of the events surrounding the boy’s circumstances the cemetery was stormed [in protest] and his burial did not take place.

Horrible. At least the people protested, though. Here's to hoping Iran has a new revolution from the inside. not likley, though, but still...

re: #23 Pro-Bush Canuck

I would think the latter.

re: #1 Ojoe

I would not call the month of ramadan "holy".

"Holy" as in:

"Holy mackeral! the town is full of batshit-crazy Muslims celebrating Rama-dama-ding-dong! Let's get to the bomb shelter!"

re: #12 carridine

The videos being played are horrific! (people cut, hacked, blown in half, blown off their feet) with bodies/faces neatly pixilated, so as not to offend...

Snuff porn for the followers of the prophet for profit (P4P).

re: #26 astronmr20

I want to see islam extripated from the planet, this one incident is enough.

O.T.

There is a magic number of comments where my machine really begins to drag on LGF. I would say somewhere between 600-800 comments.

Everybody else experience this or is time to upgrade the machinery?

re: #28 Pro-Bush Canuck

Let's get to the bombat shelter!

Fixed.

re: #31 goodbye_natalie
I get the same thing when they approach 1000.

re: #21 ZionistYoungster

re: #11 Perplexed

Suicidal idiocy by the Thai government.

There are Olmerts everywhere.

Exactly, Youngster!
And we WILL have more people, shouting ever more stridently, to "Do what's right, and stop victimizing THE MUSLIMS!"

That defeatist, collaborationist, fear-based action will continue until such time as the great mass/center of the populace in any given area (in this case, Thailand) is affected by the outrageous demands/terrorism of the Islamists.

THEN, there will be backlash, defense and common-sense actions!

re: #31 goodbye_natalie

I upgraded with more ram and the Mac tiger OS & long threads work now.

re: #33 kcladderman

Same-same.

re: #31 goodbye_natalie

O.T.

There is a magic number of comments where my machine really begins to drag on LGF. I would say somewhere between 600-800 comments.

Everybody else experience this or is time to upgrade the machinery?

Nothing wrong with your machine. Suspect it has something to do with the internet itself. Mine does it as well with 2GB of DRAM, cable based internet, blah, blah, blah.

re: #31 goodbye_natalie

O.T.

There is a magic number of comments where my machine really begins to drag on LGF. I would say somewhere between 600-800 comments.

Everybody else experience this or is time to upgrade the machinery?

It isn't the machine. Browsers aren't really designed to handle that much text at once. The previous thread was over 3 Mb of text. That would take more than 5 minutes just to download on a dial-up modem. Same thing with sluggish mobile devices like the iPhone.

The usual solution is some sort of paging mechanism.

I really love this bit:

He said three other suspected insurgents were killed Saturday when they engaged in a shootout with an assistant district chief they had attacked in another area of the province.

Even with a three-to-one advantage, the restive insurgents still get their asses handed to them. Maybe they should stick to bombing and beheading defenseless civilians.

re: #31 goodbye_natalie

Mine does the same thing around 800 comments, locks up the whole computer when it loads "new comments".

re: #31 goodbye_natalie

As I said on my last comment previous thread (when I gave my two latest blog links), that's the reason why I prefer to wait for a new thread once it reaches so many comments. Ajax makes it better, in that you don't have to reload the page each time, but even the "new comments" button takes a long time to respond once the thread has something like over 500 comments.

"long-simmering"
There is the problem, just warms them up. Bring 'em to a boil I say, and be done with them.

re: #29 Perplexed

Um, not zackly, Perplexed... the announcers are calling the perpetrators the Thai-language equivalent of 'grunting thugs', and have been for about 2-3 weeks now... on national TV.

Thanks to everybody that answered. Just like the Natalie family automobiles, somehow Dad has ended up with the oldest equipment while the children get the dressed up machinery. Mom is somewhere in the middle.

May be time to purchase a new CPU...desktops are so cheap anymore, it's hardly worth upgrading.

re: #31 goodbye_natalie
Same here. I've got a fairly new machine with 2 gig memory. I
thought it was just mine.

re: #43 carridine

Too bad the media in the USA does not say "grunting thugs".

I'm out of here.

re: #34 carridine

Yup, a question of "when", not "if". The only thing is, I hope it happens before too high a price is paid (God forbid).

re: #41 ZionistYoungster

The previoius "dead thread" became basically unusable for me after it went past 1100 comments or so. The New Comments button was taking 30-60 seconds, and the page locked the browser up twice.

Digg has a mechanism where you have to click to see the next 100 posts, as do many other blog-type sites.

LGF is just too popular!

Most likely what Thailand will experience this (not so) holy season of ramalamadingdong will be the brutal deaths of innocent Thais and whining from the muslims when the Thai government cracks down.

It might be thruput via the net, but in using a different computer now on the little in-house network, it's definitely faster.

Makes for a convenient excuse to hit Mom up for some money...if it keeps me out of her hair, she can be quite generous.

re: #24 ZionistYoungster

Oh I can't hope to top that shalom, lol

Great posts at your place today

Well, I was hoping we'd get another fact-filled, hard-hitting headline before I had to go, but I hafta go... 2230 BKK time and tomorrow starts early for me...

BBIAW... say, six hours or so? Take care, y'all...

re: #50 goodbye_natalie

It might be thruput via the net, but in using a different computer now on the little in-house network, it's definitely faster.

Makes for a convenient excuse to hit Mom up for some money...if it keeps me out of her hair, she can be quite generous.

Do you mean this thread is faster, or the previous one? The slowness is caused by huge threads, not the Internet, your machine, or your browser.

re: #28 Pro-Bush Canuck

LOL. Agreed.

re: #53 Pro-Bush Canuck

The large thread...it wasn't just affecting LGF. I noticed everything was beginning to choke a little.

However Canuck, I don't want to mislead it was fast. It still was dogging compared to the typical LGF.

ramadan:
The pseudo-fast of the fasle prophet's anti-religion.

JWM

re: #51 BabbaZee

Nah, "kilokilo" (thousand thousand) is just longhand for "mega"... (Are we at it again? LOL)

Thanks. My posts tend to be long, but this one was so long that I decided, for the first time, to split it into two parts.

re: #48 Pro-Bush Canuck

I've got 2G in mine. I use Firefox. DSL. I just tried to go back to the dead thread, and I had to stop it. Maybe that's why you call them DEAD? LOL.

re: #55 goodbye_natalie

re: #53 Pro-Bush Canuck

The large thread...it wasn't just affecting LGF. I noticed everything was beginning to choke a little.

However Canuck, I don't want to mislead it was fast. It still was dogging compared to the typical LGF.

Actually I'm always amazed how fast LGF is most of the time considering the size of the threads. Charles can't defy the laws of physics, but he does a pretty good job within their limits...

re: #47 ZionistYoungster

Ah! You see, as do others, that IF we had stopped Hitler at his FIRST cross-border foray, he would have backed down from going up against a battalion of Allied troops...

BUT we chose 'security' and the war that eventually came to us burned terribly in the world-wide conflagration of WWII...

And Thailand is nowhere near a serious smackdown of the Malaysian/Indonesian jihadists and mujaheddin stirring up trouble in Yala and Naratiwat!

Ramadan - the true meaning is that in gorging oneself, you are relegated to hiding in the bathroom stall to eat your stash of Baby Ruth's instead of the typical gluttony in the market square.

re: #43 carridine

re: #29 Perplexed

Um, not zackly, Perplexed... the announcers are calling the perpetrators the Thai-language equivalent of 'grunting thugs', and have been for about 2-3 weeks now... on national TV.

Grunting thugs? Must be the Thai version of "Asians" when the UK press refers to muslims. The muslim separatists get off on what they've accomplished and even pixellating it still gives them the ability to say "look what mohammed accomplished" while giving the normal Thais a moment to look away from their television sets.

re: #59 Pro-Bush Canuck

Actually I'm always amazed how fast LGF is most of the time considering the size of the threads. Charles can't defy the laws of physics, but he does a pretty good job within their limits...

Yeah, me too. I would prefer LGF remain as is for the inconvenience of an atypical large thread. I like the idea of perusing thru one thread. Makes for easier user interface IMHO.

After a few days of trying the koskidz have arrived at thier talking points to Osama's new video...
Why Do Bin Laden's Scripts Appear To Have Been Written By The RNC Or The Bush Administration?

Who benefits from the timing and content of the bin Laden September 2007 videotape? If you say the Republicans and/or Bush, is itthen not fair to put them on the list of suspects of who wrote the script and planned the timing for the September 2007 bin Laden videotape?

Resolved: The bin Laden video is a transparent fake. Updated

Who is reaping the benefits of these bin Laden videos?

In this one, there is on obvious beneficiary: Those people who stand to gain from associating criticism of the GOP with terrorism.

It's an inside job!

re: #61 goodbye_natalie

Ramadan - the true meaning is that in gorging oneself, you are relegated to hiding in the bathroom stall to eat your stash of Baby Ruth's instead of the typical gluttony in the market square.

Until the religious police find out and you are tortured to death.

re: #57 ZionistYoungster

I should go work on a post
I have 5 simmering in my head that I want to do
and I am sitting here doing nothing instead

re: #65 astronmr20

Until the religious police find out and you are tortured to death.

And they gorge on your stash of Baby Ruth's.

I just opened another browser session - Firefox. I can't get to LGF. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I notice the hit count on the dead thread has gone up to 1309...

re: #62 Perplexed

The muslim separatists get off on what they've accomplished and even pixellating it still gives them the ability to say "look what mohammed accomplished" while giving the normal Thais a moment to look away from their television sets.

I agree, but the Thai term used on TV is NOT like the British term, "Asians"...

It is a Thai idiom connoting disgraceful thuggery, and I respectfully hope you can pick up on this. There are SOME eye-open, intelligent Thais who are sounding the alarm about a very real threat to their wonderful nation!

re: #63 goodbye_natalie

re: #59 Pro-Bush Canuck

Actually I'm always amazed how fast LGF is most of the time considering the size of the threads. Charles can't defy the laws of physics, but he does a pretty good job within their limits...

Yeah, me too. I would prefer LGF remain as is for the inconvenience of an atypical large thread. I like the idea of perusing thru one thread. Makes for easier user interface IMHO.

The "New Comments" Ajax seemed to start having problems when Charles made some changes over the past week or so. I remember being able to read huge threads without problems prior to this (when New Comments was first introduced).

re: #61 goodbye_natalie

But once they go on the night shift they can eat, drink, and be merry (as much as islam lets anyone be merry). The candy bars and energy drinks are just to get them through the day.

Cap'n
I am on Firefox and it is fine for me

re: #60 carridine

No less an historian than Victor David Hanson expressed surprise by how history is now repeating itself on that.

re: #66 BabbaZee

You go [work on a post], girl!

HaShem bless you.
ZY

re: #71 ploome hineni

lol
Done~

I don't get it-- WHY is anyone trying to be 'nice' to these people? They don't care, so just keep putting the hammer down!

OT-- could there be such a thing really as the Imperius curse? Olmert sure seems to be operating under one... you hate to think of anyone that incredibly *stupid*...

re: #74 ploome hineni

abegel?

Little known Jewtian cuisine.

LOL

Zionist Y
you are right

I'll be back later

re: #74 ploome hineni

abegel?

Abigail ate a bagel.

re: #67 goodbye_natalie

re: #65 astronmr20

Until the religious police find out and you are tortured to death.

And they gorge on your stash of Baby Ruth's.

They better not lay a finger on my Butterfinger!

Rabbi Attacked and Stabbed in the Street in Frankfurt

[Link: sheikyermami.com...]

O/T
How about them Wolverines. Oops lost to some Ducks.
Well how about them Bulldogs. Oops lost to some Chickens.
That will put some fans in a fowl mood.
LOL

God I hate blog pimps.

/even more when they pimp old news

re: #77 dahozho

OT-- could there be such a thing really as the Imperius curse? Olmert sure seems to be operating under one... you hate to think of anyone that incredibly *stupid*...

Hmmm, novel way of thinking of it...

So, instead of doing an Avada Kedavra on the oxymoronic "Palestinian authority", someone put an Imperius curse on Olmert, so the Muslizombs can keep doing a Cruciatus on Sderot to the point of insanity.

*sigh*

unidicted coconspirator gets a Ramadan makeover...
CAIR

Wahabi money from the Magic kingdom buys some nice HTML.

Just surrender already. This death by a thousand cuts is nuts.

or maybe they can stand and fight...

I watched part of the Notre Dame game yesterday and they looked so comically bad, I found myself feeling sorry for them.

Not a Notre Dame hater but not a fan either.

re: #75 ZionistYoungster

ZY, I downloaded all the WWII documentaries from The History Website, and re-view them twice a month, to remind myself of the dozens and dozens of parallels, real-world, here-now with there-then!

You seem to have a good handle on this, good on yah!

/and goodnight, Mrs Calabash, wherever you are!

We need less "The Middle East According to Harry Potter" talk up ins.

re: #88 carridine

The only problem with WWII analogies here is that the imperfections (all analogies have them) are critical. For one thing, Islam doesn't need a state in order to operate; quite the opposite, it's far more dangerous when it takes new states for itself from within (the Demographic Jihad).

re: #13 rabidsquirrel

Pattani and Narathiwat since a long-simmering Islamic separatist insurgency flared up in January 2004. Government efforts to suppress the rebels have met with little success...

Islam. A lot like herpes, evidently.

exactly

i would suggest a LIZARD BBQ on ROMADAMADINGDONG the smokier the better esp down wind of your local jihad center.

re: #69 carridine

I have no problem with the average Thai. They, as a nation, are pretty good people. I've got a problem with their government taking knee-jerk reactions to multi-generational muslim terrorists. Didn't know that the Thai term "grunting thugs" was a highly disrespectful/degrading term instead of the press fluff I thought it was. Good for the Thai news system for having the guts to do that.

One of the things about writing off fast posts means that subtleties get lost. Sorry if I offended you.

re: #12 carridine

the good that we all get when Buddhist Thais and Muslim Thais work in unity for the greater good...

That would be nice, but Islam itself is a HUGE obstacle to this becoming a permanent reality.

Until people understand what the Koran truly teaches, they won't understand the Islamic conception of what "the greater good" really is.

The article (inadvertantly I think) put it much more realistically when it said that the "long-simmering Islamic separatist insurgency flared up," because that is exactly what Mohammad taught. Simmer and flare, simmer and flare. Never stop, die for the cause, kill for the prize.

That's what people really need to know.

re: #89 MiB

Harry Potter is more serious in its thinking than many "world leaders".

Harry Potter and the Deathly Confession, by Melanie Phillips.

OT and linkage: major chutzpah alert on Grauniad Ciff, where Jimmuh has an article called, Undermining peace.

re: #85 Killgore Trout

unidicted coconspirator gets a Ramadan makeover...
CAIR

Wahabi money from the Magic kingdom buys some nice HTML.

Snazzy!

Anyone from Phoenix?

Dog Day Afternoon

This sort of thing is EXTREMELY dangerous. The Second Ammendment is about the PEOPLE having the right to bear arms specifically because of this sort of shit. Now I think the people should have the right to bear anti-tank missiles.

I know some "conservatives" on the far right seem to be fine with this over-the-top fascism, but most sensible Americans (I pray!) should react with horror at the growing use of military-style SWAT teams throughout the country. It started in the 1980s -- Clinton/Reno was the worst perp -- and Bush has done little to nothing to reign this in.

Every state should have something like the Michigan Militia...

re: #97 Pro-Bush Canuck

Every state should have something like the Michigan Militia...

I'm sure Ted Nugent would agree!
lol

Only a few years ago, I was talking with a Thai client about how their king was a great musician, releasing many albums of his music (he even played me some).. about how peaceful the country was.. and many other tidbits of Thai culture.

I beleive the same king is still in "power," but I have heard nary a word from him... it seems like this new Muslim military general is the one who runs things?

Is anyone up on the current Thai government structure? Is the king still there? He was relatively young, last i heard.

Add Thailand to the growing list of countries drawing water from the great river called "De Nile".

The actions of every country with a large and "restive" Muslim population follow a circular and predictable course:

1. Murder and seething by Muslims
2. Government promises action
3, Government analyzes problem
4. Government recoils from the only useful actions
5. Government falls back to appeasement for temporary peace
6. Muslims accept gift of appeasement, begins step 1 again.

This is repeated over and over again in the West, in the East, everywhere Islam comes into contact with Infidelia.

There are no magic words to make it stop except "I accept Islam..."

There is no magic policy to make it stop except surrender.

Thailand... please wake up and realize this... and take the necessary steps to protect your people from the permanent enemy.

re: #94 NiceLass

You're preaching to the choir, especially inasmuch as I recognize the fulfillment of the Islamic prophecies of Qaim and Mahdi (The Bab and Baha'u'llah) and the subsequent de-authenticating of Islam during The Glory of God's 40-year ministry from 1853 to 1892 (Micah 7:15)

Islam is now an empty shell, a corpse, with the semblance of life, NiceLass...

re: #101 Carridine

Ah, Carridine...

Saw your nic as "last comment" on the lgf home page just now, and, being glad you were still okay, re current events in Thailand, checked the drop-down before entering the thread to express that relief to you...

...even so, I still will --it is good that you and yours, are still okay.

re: #97 Pro-Bush Canuck

Disgusting behavior on the part of people who should know better.

re: #97 Pro-Bush Canuck

Anyone from Phoenix?

Dog Day Afternoon

This sort of thing is EXTREMELY dangerous. The Second Ammendment is about the PEOPLE having the right to bear arms specifically because of this sort of shit. Now I think the people should have the right to bear anti-tank missiles.

I know some "conservatives" on the far right seem to be fine with this over-the-top fascism, but most sensible Americans (I pray!) should react with horror at the growing use of military-style SWAT teams throughout the country. It started in the 1980s -- Clinton/Reno was the worst perp -- and Bush has done little to nothing to reign this in.

Every state should have something like the Michigan Militia...

This is very troubling.

re: #21 ZionistYoungster

The pro-Bushites will hate me for this, but d'you suppose our Dear Leader will be wishing everyone a "Happy Ramadan" again this year?

Nothing will change until Islamic terrorists are openly called what they are and are dealt with as they deserve.

For Bush to call this a "war" when he hasn't the guts to treat it like one gets more nauseating by the day.

re: #101 Carridine

You're preaching to the choir

Despite my best efforts I seem to keep doing that, sorry! ; )

I just wish the media wouldn't keep misleading people about Islam, but maybe the facade is beginning to crumble...?

re: #106 NiceLass

Many people read LGF, not just the posters; you are not preaching only to the choir.

re: #105 MrScribbler

re: #21 ZionistYoungster

The pro-Bushites will hate me for this, but d'you suppose our Dear Leader will be wishing everyone a "Happy Ramadan" again this year?

Nothing will change until Islamic terrorists are openly called what they are and are dealt with as they deserve.

For Bush to call this a "war" when he hasn't the guts to treat it like one gets more nauseating by the day.

So what do you propose he does? Perhaps go on an all out war footing like we had during WWII? Ramp up the military? Begin rationing?

re: #103 Perplexed

re: #97 Pro-Bush Canuck

Disgusting behavior on the part of people who should know better.

One of the main reasons I want to move back to the US is so that I can buy a machinegun. Not that I plan on ever having to use it (that's why you have the right, so that you don't need to exercise it), but just becasue the principle is so critical to the world. As I said the other day:

No Second Ammendment: Goodbye freedom in the USA.

No freedom in the USA: Goodbye freedom everywhere else.

re: #105 MrScribbler

Well. this war could have been over by now had it been fought with some ferocity, but the chance evaporated in the few months after 9-11-01.

re: #107 Ojoe

Very, very true --I myself learn much from comments-from-all-sides (including over-the-top ones, and hit-bottom-&-still-digging ones... :) ...and have gotten e-mails from non-registered readers indicating the same!

re: #105 MrScribbler

In his defense, Bush did treat it as a war, and invaded Afghanistan right away. But his problem, almost everyone's problem, as I lay out in my recent post (specifically in Part 2 of it), is that he named the enemy in the most obvious fashion: Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Many on our side (I'm not talking about the Leftraitors) are not yet willing to acknowledge that the enemy is an ideology and not a specific, state-bound group of people--Islam itself, not just in the deserts of Afghanistan, but in the marketplaces of Birmingham as well. It's a very Politically Incorrect conclusion to come to, hence it'll take some time before a world leader arises who acts according to it.

re: #109 Pro-Bush Canuck

Not that I plan on ever having to use it (that's why you have the right, so that you don't need to exercise it), but just becasue the principle is so critical to the world.

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson

re: #109 Pro-Bush Canuck

No Second Ammendment: Goodbye freedom in the USA.

No freedom in the USA: Goodbye freedom everywhere else.

Well said.

re: #108 Perplexed

re: #110 Ojoe

I suppose it is too late now. Bush hasn't got the cojones to stand up for what's right, and it doesn't look as if any of his potential replacements do either.

After all, we don't want to upset our Saudi pals or make things difficult for Perv Musharraf. Nor do we want to offend the "good" Muslims who support the Islamic terrorists with their silence.

But if our "leaders" are hell-bent on having it both ways -- that is, "fighting terror" with their mouths while frittering away American lives and resources and making nice to the world's thugs -- all we can do is wait for the next 9/11 and bury even more of our own.

re: #112 ZionistYoungster

True, young'un, but even in Afghanistan he was unwilling to let the military do what it needed to do.

A good rompin', stompin' quick action there might have made the Islamo-murderers think twice about their next moves.

Iraq, at that time, was a side issue. I'm afraid the moonbats have some truth behind their analysis of his actions there.

Granted, if some loon tried to take a shot at my daddy, I'd be upset, too.

re: #116 MrScribbler

5/19 ths of the 9-11 hijackers were Saudi & we haven't gone after that place?

re: #115 MrScribbler

But, what do you propose Bush do differently? Pretty easy to complain, but propose a solution. Scorched earth? Massive aid? What do you think he should have done?

re: #117 Ojoe

re: #116 MrScribbler

5/19 ths of the 9-11 hijackers were Saudi & we haven't gone after that place?

We would have opened an open war with several hundred million very angry muslims had we done that. We'd then been forced to go nuclear. Care do be responsible for the deaths of 300,000,000 (or more) people? Bush would have gone down in history as the world's worst mass murderer.

re: #8 mama winger

I was just going to say that myself.

OT -

Moderates? Yeah, surrre

Our followers ‘must live in peace until strong enough to wage jihad’

Andrew Norfolk

One of the world’s most respected Deobandi scholars believes that aggressive military jihad should be waged by Muslims “to establish the supremacy of Islam” worldwide.

Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani argues that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.

His views explode the myth that the creed of offensive, expansionist jihad represents a distortion of traditional Islamic thinking.

Mr Usmani, 64, sat for 20 years as a Sharia judge in Pakistan’s Supreme Court. He is an adviser to several global financial institutions and a regular visitor to Britain. Polite and softly spoken, he revealed to The Times a detailed knowledge of world events and his words, for the most part, were balanced and considered.

So Thailand lifts holy month curfew, Muhammed lifted holy month fighting restrictions. Just an opportunity to prove who's a "true Muslim."

"They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say: 'Fighting therein is a grave (offence); but graver is it in the sight of Allah to prevent access to the path of Allah...Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter..." Quran 2:217

re: #123 ploome hineni

re: #119 Perplexed

Saudi arabia...the largets provider of antiAmerican and AntiJewish clergy, religious authority and funding for murderers

send 19 of its 'finest' to bring down civillian buildings and kill civillians

while maintaining deniability

they are spitting in our face, and you want to tell us its raining?

Nope. Attacking the evil house of saud, while being a good idea, would further radicalize muslims. Those sitting on the edge would blame the (most likely successful) attack on the fact that they weren't good enough muslims and further drive them to the dark side. Radicals from across the world would then do anything to screw with the west and use our attacks on the evil house of saud as an excuse. Look at the outrage over some mediocre cartoons. How many people died because of some cartoons?

I've been one of those who've even suggested the glassification of that region of the world and the evaporation of the meteorite before fully taking into accout what would come from our doing just that. The Three Conjectures make for an interesting read as being the most likely outcome of any nuclear/biological/chemical war with islamists. If you say that ONLY 10% of all muslims are given over to the dark side then you have 150,000,000 terrorists out there already. Also take into account that muslim terrorists refuse to stand and fight but instead hide behind women, children, schools, hospitals, places of worship, etc means that we would also be killing many innocents in that fight.

If it comes to that then it comes to that, but our civilization will never be the same after a war of that magnitude.

re: #126 Perplexed

Some points:

1. I believe it is foolish to talk about radicalizing more Muslims. From their camp I hear the roaring silence of complicity.

2. This war will be over when there are no more people who accept the jihad. The young former Muslim must say to his elders, "Look what a tragedy you have brought upon us. I reject you."

3. Until the civilized people of the planet hand these animals such a defeat that they cannot think in the same way anymore, they will continue to think and act the way they do now, trying to kill us by the millions. If they keep trying, eventually they will succeed.

4. Unless a miracle occurs in the hearts of many Muslims, this will end badly, I believe, and I wish I did not think this, or perhaps have to live to see it.

re: #127 Ojoe

I hope you are correct.

At the very least, it is foolish to keep playing by Marquess of Queensbury rules, treating the Islamists to a religious respect that they accord no one else.

This is what the West is thick-headed about. It never demands RECIPROCITY. Such respect shown for Ramadan. Meanwhile, the Arab Nations launched their war meant to eliminate Israel on the Day of Atonement, the highest Jewish holy holiday (Yom Kippur War, 1973). They did it purposely to give themselves a strategic advantage, catching the enemy off-guard at prayers.

Always the argument that a billion plus "moderate" Muslims will be offended and by implication radicalized if we fight their murderous co-religionists on their holy days. Well let's point out how their co-religionists put no limits on themselves, not their own holy days, not the high holidays of the religion they're attacking, not limiting themselves to military targets, allowing themselves to target civilians including women and children, shooting rockets from among and hiding behind civilians, so-called warriors disguising themselves as women in burkas to escape, using mosques as armories, blowing up historically important Shiite mosques, using pages of the Bible as toilet paper and otherwise desecrating Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem, destroying the giant Buddhas in Afghanistan...

THEY FIGHT DIRTY. We keep fighting with one hand tied behind our back and a ball and chain that the Left makes as heavy as possible.

#93 - No offense meant, none taken. I read to find meaning, not to impute mean motives and nasty intent. Knee-jerk responses to WHAT USED TO BE happening, but is not now transpiring, is what was meant by the saying, "Today's generals are fighting the previous war!" I want the Thais to wake up to the realities on the ground, AND to the moral guidance and practical methodologies brought by Baha'u'llah.

re: #90 ZionistYoungster I hear you, 5 by!