Rudy understands 9-11.

[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]

In addition to possibly curing cancer could this be used to run a car engine etc?

Sorry to go OT so soon, but is anyone else drooling to go to this?

http://www.agi-08.org/

It's hard to believe it was 6 years ago.

It is as if it was today.

I expected this vid to get more news coverage than any video from 6 years ago. Seems msnbc proved me wrong.

/ shock

Booga booga.

You scared me!

/lol

And now it is our turn," bin Laden says.
This is curious, especially in light of bin Laden's dyed beard, and its connotations in Islamic tradition of preparing for jihad. In saying that it is "our turn," is he looking to dodge accusations that he sends others to die while he hides in caves? Or is he somehow anticipating his own "martyrdom

[Link: jihadwatch.org...]

Who wrote the screenplay for him? did brian depalma direct?

I thought OBL died in Tora Bora years back... just a hunch...

Fu*k you Osama. I hope you're in hell with 72 goats to molest.

Anti-war nut strikes blow for peace by killing Dutch student with an axe

[Link: hotair.com...]

Osama Bin Perished a long time
he is really most sincerely dead

Here are the 2 applicable reruns!

BRING ME THE HEAD OF OSAMA BIN LADEN

TYPHOID OSAMA:THE DIRT NAP

Later Lizardia

Great article:

Terror on Campus

National security and Law Enforcement authorities, please look at this (its time to stop terrorist supporters and the spread of jihad on campus):

Warning: Anti-Racist Action Meeting Every Thursday Throughout the Fall Semester in the Wayne State University Student Center, at 3 p.m.

VERACRUZ, Mexico - One of Mexico's largest automotive plants and hundreds of other factories were shut down Tuesday after a series of gas and oil pipeline explosions, apparently caused by a shadowy rebel group, left them without fuel.

Volkswagen AG said it suspended production at its sprawling car factory outside the city of Puebla — the company's only North American manufacturing site — on Monday because of a lack of natural gas. Glassmaker Vitro SAB also said it was temporarily closing six plants across central and western Mexico.

Six explosions ripped apart pipelines in eastern Mexico on Monday, rattling financial markets in the U.S. and Mexico. Industry officials estimated losses at $90 million.

shadowy rebel group = MS-13 paid and armed by Hugo and Iran.. [Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Osama bin Laden.

The new mainstream voice of the Democrat Party.

re: #4 Lizardoid

To some of us it seems like everyday.

I question the timing.

I was in Buenos Aires during 9/11.

It was something I will certainly never forget.

Was anyone else out of the country on that day?

(I'm out of the country now, too, living in Germany)

his new video apparently features no moving footage of the walking dead man, just a still image while a disembodied voice drones on and on.

In other words:

This video is fake too.

My conclusion after studying both "videos"

They prove that OBL is dead.

re: #15 Lawrence Schmerel

Osama bin Laden.

The new mainstream voice of the Democrat Party.

Aint that the truth

I wish I could have been a fly on the wall in that meeting...

...Israel Holds Strategic Dialogue With China

(IsraelNN.com) The National Security Council and the China Institute for International Strategic Studies (CIISS) held their first strategic dialogue this past week, from September 2-8, in China. The CIISS is part of China's Defense Ministry.

According to a statement from the NSC, "NSC Chairman Ilan Mizrahi held a series of discussions with his Chinese interlocutors. The talks focused on Middle Eastern and Asian regional issues, including Iran."

CIISS Director and former Chinese People’s Liberation Army Deputy Chief-of-Staff Xiong Guangkai said that the CIISS-NSC dialogue would be held at least once a year, alternating between Israel and China. The next round of talks will be held in Israel.

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

re: #19 zombie

his new video apparently features no moving footage of the walking dead man, just a still image while a disembodied voice drones on and on.

In other words:

This video is fake too.

My conclusion after studying both "videos"

They prove that OBL is dead.

I get that feeling, as well, OBL is pushing up daisies somewhere. Still, his persona would benefit from his martyrdom, so I don't know.

re: #14 storagemanager

shadowy rebel group = MS-13 paid and armed by Hugo and Iran.. [Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Saw no ref to MS-13 in article. Was that speculation or can you back it up? If you can back it up, I'd like to spread that word elsewhere.

Thanks.

I think the videos prove that Osama Bin Ladin is hiding out in San Francisco. He seems to have adopted their way of speaking well enough you probably wouldn't even notice him he blends in so well.

Here's a snippet from my local hometown newspaper. I don't quite know what to think about it:

The attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, brought many irrevocable differences.

With thousands of lives lost, many people said they would change their own lives. Six years later, a number of area residents feel their daily lives have remained mostly the same.

Justin Perryman, 23, of Kenosha, did make a significant change due to Sept. 11. The attacks, in part, led him to join the Coast Guard at the age of 18. He served with the Coast Guard for four years, but has had little change in his civilian life.

"There's nothing day-to-day that's really changed because of 9/11," Perryman said.

A few people were looking to move past the memories of that day.

"I think it's time for people to move on," said Doris Martin, 63, of Kenosha. "We have to learn to rebuild and keep going on."

Rob Wendell, 24, of Kenosha, has already done so.

"I could honestly care less about it," Wendell said about the anniversary while fishing on Monday.

I remember where I was when JFK was shot. I remember were I was when 9/11 took place. I remember the fall of Saigon and wanted to put a boot up Cronkite's butt. Too many I remember moments.

my only question is why haven't they hit us in the homeland again. other than that they consider iraq to be the key battlefield at this time. Some one should really get the clue bat out and hit the copperheads with it.

As a CT resident, I find Senator Dodd's comments today despicable. I take comfort in the fact that Joe Lieberman is our other Senator. Joe, the time has come for you to cut your ties to the cancer that the Demoncrap party has become.

re: #25 mama winger

That article was a gasper. Sad to hear that people feel that way.

re: #2 anotherindyfilmguy

I remember seeing a vid on that before. The guy who found that he could ignite saltwater was originally looking for an effective and non-invasive way to treat/destroy cancer cells. No hope for internal combustion engines though, the radio frequencies that are require for affect use more energy than is produced by the salt-water combustion.

re: #28 yochanan

Even when we collectively get hit with the cluebat again, despite all efforts, the folks who need it the most will still blame everyone but the scum who does it...

Put me down for one extra "Booga."

Has anyone actually come out with confirmation that this is bin Laden's voice at all? It seems a little odd that when every 8th grader knows how to make a YouTube video the best that the jihadi morons can do is to put up a still shot of bin Laden with a voiceover.

If the next video features bin Laden with only his mouth moving, I'll know al qaeda is getting technical help from the Conan O'Brien Show

Is it just me or do the Democrats when denying progress in Iraq remind you of the Saddam era media spinmeister saying that the Americans are not winning when an Abrams tank is rolling right behind him? Anyone remember that guys name anyway?

Hill now bemoaning OBL's survival

re: #36 SecretInternetDoucheBag

Is it just me or do the Democrats when denying progress in Iraq remind you of the Saddam era media spinmeister saying that the Americans are not winning when an Abrams tank is rolling right behind him? Anyone remember that guys name anyway?

Baghdad Bob

re: #26 Perplexed

AMEN! I guess us old farts have too many "I wish I could forget moments" huh?
It may be a good thing though. We need to pass on our wisdom to our children and in my case, our grandchildren.

re: #34 Cicero05

Has anyone actually come out with confirmation that this is bin Laden's voice at all? It seems a little odd that when every 8th grader knows how to make a YouTube video the best that the jihadi morons can do is to put up a still shot of bin Laden with a voiceover.

If the next video features bin Laden with only his mouth moving, I'll know al qaeda is getting technical help from the Conan O'Brien Show

No, help, from the out of work folks who brought you such cartoon classics as Klutch Kargo.

re: #30 Perplexed

re: #25 mama winger

That article was a gasper. Sad to hear that people feel that way.

Isn't it amazing? 6 years later and people still don't seem to have the slightest clue of what is at stake.

Bemoaning in general now

re: #31 Slumbering Behemoth

PIMF, require=required. I'll try to track down the webpage I saw.

re: #40 Perplexed

Ooooh ! I LOVE Clutch Cargo!

Altho I have to admit it is kinda creepy

In the ongoing Congressional hearings, Hillary just called Gen. Petraeus a liar saying that his report and testimony"required a suspension of disbelief".

Could not have expected less from her...

re: #28 yochanan

my only question is why haven't they hit us in the homeland again. other than that they consider iraq to be the key battlefield at this time. Some one should really get the clue bat out and hit the copperheads with it.

You know, I have lived a long time. And in all my years, it is only since 911 that I have heard the United States of America referred to by anyone at anytime as "the Homeland." I've heard it called the USA, the Nation and just "home" but never "homeland" - which to me smacks of "The Motherland" and "The Fatherland." It makes us sound like Nazi Germany or Communist Russia.

I don't know who thought this one up, but I would love to shove it down their throat. "Homeland" security my *** - call it what it has always been: NATIONAL Security. We are a NATION, not just some "homeland."

re: #36 SecretInternetDoucheBag

bagdad bob

re: #23 commander_vimes

re: #14 storagemanager

shadowy rebel group = MS-13 paid and armed by Hugo and Iran.. [Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Saw no ref to MS-13 in article. Was that speculation or can you back it up? If you can back it up, I'd like to spread that word elsewhere.

Thanks.

[Link: www.nationalinterest.org...] ..[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...] ..[Link: www.pinr.com...] ..January 13, 2005
Arrested MS-13 member wanted in police slayings [Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

Surprise, surprise. . . . now quoting Iraqi polls.

re: #25 mama winger

"There's nothing day-to-day that's really changed because of 9/11," Perryman said.

Is her head up her ass?

I wonder if that article is an attempt to emulate the NYT article on 9/9.

re: #39 GeeWiz

re: #26 Perplexed

AMEN! I guess us old farts have too many "I wish I could forget moments" huh?
It may be a good thing though. We need to pass on our wisdom to our children and in my case, our grandchildren.

Talked to the 10 yr old grandson a couple months ago. Asked him if he'f like to be doing the kind of work I do when he was 54 and his response was "no." Told him to get a good education then and to save some money.

re: #25 mama winger

"I could honestly care less about it," Wendell said about the anniversary while fishing on Monday.

This guy is a complete twit and I hate people who say they "could" care less. That means precisely nothing. I hope his boat sinks and he doesn't catch a thing.

re: #18 imploder

I was in Buenos Aires during 9/11.

It was something I will certainly never forget.

Was anyone else out of the country on that day?

(I'm out of the country now, too, living in Germany)

Even though I'm a Canuck now living in Canada, I was living in Boston on 9/11. I used to fly out of Logan every Monday morning for months on end. I used to stay at the World Trade Center Marriott whenever I was in NYC, and I worked for almost a year at 222 Broadway, about a block and a half from the WTC.

re: #47 yochanan

Well these Democrats in this "hearing" circus are reminding me of him. The only thing missing is the tank in the back round.

re: #46 galloping granny

to me america is my homeland i feel no ties to euroland due to its long history of anti semitism

i am proud to be an american nationalist.

re: #46 galloping granny

LOL! You go, granny!

I had never thought of that before. You're right, it does have some overtones to it, doesn't it?

re: #53 eastvillageinfidel

re: #25 mama winger

"I could honestly care less about it," Wendell said about the anniversary while fishing on Monday.

This guy is a complete twit and I hate people who say they "could" care less. That means precisely nothing. I hope his boat sinks and he doesn't catch a thing.

I wish they would learn a little English. "I could care less" means that he DOES indeed care at least somewhat about the issue, because he could still care less than he does.

re: #57 yochanan

re: #46 galloping granny

to me america is my homeland i feel no ties to euroland due to its long history of anti semitism

i am proud to be an american nationalist.

America is my HOME too - but it is my country, my nation - not my "homeland."

re: #48 storagemanager

Many thanks

I don't know...I'm still convinced he's Osama bin Dead for some time...

re: #37 jamgarr

Hill now bemoaning OBL's survival

Stupid bitch has no one to blame but her husband.

re: #53 eastvillageinfidel

re: #25 mama winger

"I could honestly care less about it," Wendell said about the anniversary while fishing on Monday.

This guy is a complete twit and I hate people who say they "could" care less. That means precisely nothing. I hope his boat sinks and he doesn't catch a thing.

Let me take a stroll down to the marina and see what I can do :)

I have ways.

re: #2 anotherindyfilmguy

[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]

In addition to possibly curing cancer could this be used to run a car engine etc?

Possibly. It depends on how many kilocalories per mole (6.03 E23 atoms) , kCal/M, it yields. My first thought was that it might make a decent propellant system for low-pressure/low-to-medium thrust applications in space, like maneuver motors for medium-range probes or attitude control systems. The use of salt water would reduce chances of freezing in the tanks or lines, as long as ambient stayed above the point at which NaCL/H2O disassociation takes place (about -210 Celsius, IIRC- which I probably don't as freshman chem was a long time ago).

Still, the idea of sonically-induced combustion of seawater (for crying out loud) sounds like the plot hook for a James Bond movie.

Or an episode of any Gerry Anderson or Irwin Allen TV series, for that matter.

cheers

eon

Totally lame.
OBL is long dead. First we get a video of some look-alike (they've had years to find a suitable doppelganger, and it turns out to be a "younger" Osama) who mumbles into his beard as the sound-alike (who has appeared in previous lame tapes threatening death and destruction) reads a script written by an American traitor who was raised on a hippie goat farm and spends far too much time on Kos.
Now we get a snapshot of the same loser and some insane drivel.

Once again, no attack by al queda. Just a bunch of talk.
Round them up and shoot them. It's really the kindest thing you could do for such a bunch of thumbsuckers.

re: #48 storagemanager

Hey Storagemanager. How are you doing today? I've been thinking about you and yours.

U.S. Officials Begin Crafting Iran Bombing Plan

WASHINGTON — A recent decision by German officials to withhold support for any new sanctions against Iran has pushed a broad spectrum of officials in Washington to develop potential scenarios for a military attack on the Islamic regime, FOX News confirmed Tuesday.

Pretty sure we were planning this before the Germans went soft on us. And think about the Germans would rather we bomb them then put more sanctions in place. I smell lucrative business deals between Iran and Germany.

re: #63 MandyManners

re: #37 jamgarr

Hill now bemoaning OBL's survival

Stupid bitch has no one to blame but her husband.

Now that's a little intolerant, isn't it?

Bill was BUSY!

re: #63 MandyManners

re: #37 jamgarr

Hill now bemoaning OBL's survival

Stupid bitch has no one to blame but her husband.

Little Winger asked me what she puts on her resume other than , well, you know.

I mean - what exactly are her professional accomplishments here?

re: #46 galloping granny

i am not a spring chicken either but comparing America to real Nazism or communism is totally foolish and generally proves the ignorance of the person making such statements generally. Sorry but i think you should rethink your opinion.

re: #52 Perplexed

Talked to the 10 yr old grandson a couple months ago. Asked him if he'f like to be doing the kind of work I do when he was 54 and his response was "no." Told him to get a good education then and to save some money.

Good on ya! I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts tho he won't take your advice, sorry to say. We just don't "get" today's world doncha know? Just ask my son, he knows everything.

I went to the New Republic site to see if they had a response to the Pajama's Media expose. They didn't, but they had this story, Back in the USSR, which ironically, is worth reading:

... The less attention we pay to Russia, the more incentive we give Vladimir Putin and his successors to demonstrate that they are a power to be reckoned with and to act in ways that will be increasingly problematic. Already we see Russia staking out claims to the Arctic and its riches; manipulating its oil and gas supplies for political purposes; supporting separatist movements in neighboring states or what it calls the "near abroad"; and selling arms to rogue regimes like Iran and Syria. (The Russians are in the process of upgrading significantly Iran's air defense and have also been providing Syria large numbers advanced anti-air and anti-tank missiles; when the Syrians turned over some of these weapons to Hezbollah, the Russians looked the other way.)

To understand Russia's behavior and develop the right strategies for dealing with it, we need to appreciate the impact that lost status has had on the Russian psyche and the imperative it has created to restore the country's standing as a world power. Few non-Russians mourned the passing of the Soviet Union, but within the country, there is deep resentment of the United States for winning the cold war. Putin has called the collapse of the USSR one of the greatest geopolitical "tragedies of the twentieth century."

I don't feel the Russians' pain -- they had it coming. And their efforts to start a new cold war should be met with a mailed fist.

re: #48 storagemanager

[Link: transcripts.cnn.com...] ..[Link: www.knowgangs.com...]

re: #65 eon

Correction; radio-frequency induced, not sonic.

(Bangs head against keyboard)

cheers

eon

re: #72 yochanan

re: #46 galloping granny

i am not a spring chicken either but comparing America to real Nazism or communism is totally foolish and generally proves the ignorance of the person making such statements generally. Sorry but i think you should rethink your opinion.

I am not comparing America to Nazism or communism. I am comparing a specific word, very new to our national vocabulary, that carries heavy overtones or words that the Nazis and the Soviets used to refer to their nations.

Perhaps you should rethink YOUR opinion. Words DO matter.

re: #68 mama winger

re: #48 storagemanager

Hey Storagemanager. How are you doing today? I've been thinking about you and yours.

I am doing good ...thank you...and you?

re: #62 Rogue198

I don't know...I'm still convinced he's Osama bin Dead for some time...

I, for one, agree with you on your assessment of OBL's health.

re: #73 GeeWiz

Most of my kids came back to me and said "I understand what it way you tried to do and I rebelled against it and now regret it."

A couple came back and said "you've gotten a whole lot smarter since I've been out on my own. " Felt like high fiving the wife on that one.

re: #78 storagemanager

re: #68 mama winger

re: #48 storagemanager

Hey Storagemanager. How are you doing today? I've been thinking about you and yours.

I am doing good ...thank you...and you?

I'm very good. It's kind of a sobering day, though... I remember it was a sunny Tuesday 6 years ago when our world changed, and here it is a sunny Tuesday again. A lot has happened. A lot still needs to happen.

re: #77 galloping granny

not going to change mine AMERICA IS MY HOMELAND

OT and just passing by. So hello and good bye, lizards.
I just coudn't refrain myself for saying this.
RATING THE COMMENTS HERE IS A VERY BAD IDEA.
The rule of the mob, just like the kosaks.
This is a BIG STEP BACKWARDS, after so many steps forward.
I will never use the feature and if I become a victim of this Marxist crap I won't comment on LGF anymore.
WHAT A BIG MISTAKE, CHARLES JOHNSON.
This is a place for INDIVIDUALS, not for mobs like kosaks. They always speak and think in colective. We don't- WE STAND ON OUR OWN TWO FEET and don't need no effing moron coming to rate us, ANONYMOUSLY on top of that.

I hope I expressed clearly my utter opposition to this socialist-like meassure.
UGH.

A BIG, BIG HUG FOR ALL REAL AMERICANS ON THIS DAY. I SHARED YOUR PAIN SIX YEARS AGO AND I KEEP SHARING IT UP TO NOW.

GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

Bye, dear lizards ;)

re: #79 GeeWiz

re: #62 Rogue198

I don't know...I'm still convinced he's Osama bin Dead for some time...

I, for one, agree with you on your assessment of OBL's health.

I'm kinda convinced he survived Tora Bora thanks to Bush fighting it all liberal-touchy-feely-let's talk-ish but he assumed cave temp since '03

re: #81 mama winger

re: #78 storagemanager

re: #68 mama winger

re: #48 storagemanager

Hey Storagemanager. How are you doing today? I've been thinking about you and yours.

I am doing good ...thank you...and you?

I'm very good. It's kind of a sobering day, though... I remember it was a sunny Tuesday 6 years ago when our world changed, and here it is a sunny Tuesday again. A lot has happened. A lot still needs to happen.

And many more bad things are coming...stand firm.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

N. Korea: Israeli invasion of Syrian airspace 'dangerous provocation'

'We extend our full support and solidarity to the Syrian people in their just cause to defend the national security and the regional peace,' republic's foreign ministry says...

"The Democratic People's Republic of Korea strongly denounces the above-said intrusion and extends full support and solidarity to the Syrian people in their just cause to defend the national security and the regional peace."

Yeah, right...

re: #83 MigueldowninMexico

Hi Miguel!

Bye Miguel !

:)

re: #82 yochanan

MY HOME IS ON A STREET ON THE NORTH SIDE OF CHICAGO, A DISTINCT PLACE the whole country is a different kind of thing.

Today I had TWO co-workers (I am an engineer and therefore work with a myriad of fifty-something, college-educated, white men) ask me if I had seen the Loose Change video and that I should look into the theories surrounding 9/11.

I laughed before i realized they were serious, then told them not to worry- Rosie's engineering analysis was enough to convince me!

...steel doesn't melt?

re: #83 MigueldowninMexico

A couple lizards have suggested tags for comments; On topic, off topic, chat. I think that might help people sort through large threads better that a rating system.

re: #83 MigueldowninMexico

hello miguel

re: #89 noraono

I work in a engineering design house (integrated circuits), I truly worry that ENGINEERS buy into that stuff. I just hope none of 'em work at Boeing.

Hola amigo miguel!

re: #86 Samson

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

N. Korea: Israeli invasion of Syrian airspace 'dangerous provocation'

'We extend our full support and solidarity to the Syrian people in their just cause to defend the national security and the regional peace,' republic's foreign ministry says...

"The Democratic People's Republic of Korea strongly denounces the above-said intrusion and extends full support and solidarity to the Syrian people in their just cause to defend the national security and the regional peace."

Yeah, right...

They were in Iran last week...said they stand side by side... [Link: www.irna.com...] ..search North Korea...invited little Kim to visit.

Somethin tells me Osama is eating those raisins somewhere in the pits of hell. I could probably montage a better live Elvis tape than those a**holes.

re: #22 imploder

re: #19 zombie

his new video apparently features no moving footage of the walking dead man, just a still image while a disembodied voice drones on and on.

In other words:
This video is fake too.

My conclusion after studying both "videos"

They prove that OBL is dead.

I get that feeling, as well, OBL is pushing up daisies somewhere. Still, his persona would benefit from his martyrdom, so I don't know.

I'm guessing he's pushing up poppies.

re: #80 Perplexed

A couple came back and said "you've gotten a whole lot smarter since I've been out on my own. " Felt like high fiving the wife on that one.

LOL! I experienced that twice with my daughters, still waiting for my son to come around. He is beyond the age my daughters exclaimed, "Dad I can't believe how much you've learned over the last five years". I can't take credit for that statement, it came from Bill Cosby but it is sooo true. I think the situation with my son is a "man" thing. I could be wrong, just ask my ex.

#2, #66,
Don't send that guy any money! Come on, think about the laws of thermodynamics; all that is going on there is that the water is being split into hydrogen and oxygen then re-burnt back into water. It HAS to take more energy to split the water than you get out of re-burning the gases.

A power plant burned a bunch of coal to generate steam to generate motion in a turbine to generate electricity to generate the radio frequency waves to split the water. Each and every step LOSES energy. Then the hydrogen re-burned and produced enough heat to run a dinky sterling engine which has the "amazing" capacity to turn a hamster wheel. TANSTAAFL folks!

re: #70 Cicero05

re: #63 MandyManners

re: #37 jamgarr

Hill now bemoaning OBL's survival

Stupid bitch has no one to blame but her husband.

Now that's a little intolerant, isn't it?

Bill was BUSY!

So was Monica.

re: #63 MandyManners

re: #37 jamgarr

Hill now bemoaning OBL's survival

Stupid bitch has no one to blame but her husband.

Don't be so hard on ol' Bill. He only had about nine separate chances to catch him. Nobody's perfect.

/Liberal complaining about Dick Cheney's hunting ability

re: #45 Capitalist Tool

In the ongoing Congressional hearings, Hillary just called Gen. Petraeus a liar saying that his report and testimony"required a suspension of disbelief".

Could not have expected less from her...

rearranging the sentence, we get
"General Patraeus, your testimony requires us to suspend our disbelief"
or

"General Patraeus, please do not expect us to believe your facts, it would make us look stupider than we already do"

re: #71 mama winger

re: #63 MandyManners

re: #37 jamgarr

Hill now bemoaning OBL's survival

Stupid bitch has no one to blame but her husband.

Little Winger asked me what she puts on her resume other than , well, you know.

I mean - what exactly are her professional accomplishments here?

Well, she can't put "Baking cookies" on it.

re: #84 Rogue198

New thread posted by Charles on this very subject. Movin' on up.

If you're not already, I suggest listening to Larry Elder's show right now.

The Sage is laying down like only the Sage can.

This hour's discussion: Who do Al Qaieda and it's supporters want to win the next U.S. election?

www.kabc.com

#102 Eowyn2

Hillary went on to try to trip Gen Petraeus up by saying that his response was different to 2 similar, but different questions... as if her position on any topic doesn't change with each audience...

re: #83 MigueldowninMexico

OT and just passing by. So hello and good bye, lizards.
I just coudn't refrain myself for saying this.
RATING THE COMMENTS HERE IS A VERY BAD IDEA.
The rule of the mob, just like the kosaks.
This is a BIG STEP BACKWARDS, after so many steps forward.
I will never use the feature and if I become a victim of this Marxist crap I won't comment on LGF anymore.
WHAT A BIG MISTAKE, CHARLES JOHNSON.
This is a place for INDIVIDUALS, not for mobs like kosaks. They always speak and think in colective. We don't- WE STAND ON OUR OWN TWO FEET and don't need no effing moron coming to rate us, ANONYMOUSLY on top of that.

I hope I expressed clearly my utter opposition to this socialist-like meassure.
UGH.

A BIG, BIG HUG FOR ALL REAL AMERICANS ON THIS DAY. I SHARED YOUR PAIN SIX YEARS AGO AND I KEEP SHARING IT UP TO NOW.

GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

Bye, dear lizards ;)

bueno
Don't know how else to say I agree, other than
viva MigueldowninMexico

I don't know who I despise more, hillary or ron paul

re: #29 GeeWiz

As a CT resident, I find Senator Dodd's comments today despicable. I take comfort in the fact that Joe Lieberman is our other Senator. Joe, the time has come for you to cut your ties to the cancer that the Demoncrap party has become.

I saw Dodd's commentary after he'd left the chamber. Truly a chip off the old block- just as big a lying greed-monger as his crooked Daddy. What's wrong with the people in CT that they keep re-electing that weasel?

God Bless Sen. Lieberman!

DAILY KOS REVIEW COMMENT #1
Markous Moulitsas says,
"We are told that we should listen to "commanders on the ground". The problem becomes, of course, which commanders to listen to? The ones that are doing the administration's bidding as an extension of the Republican Party, or the ones that are trying to solve the problem they've been ordered to solve -- winning the war in Iraq."

Uhm.. Markous... General Petraeus has a son. He has a kid. His son is about to go into Iraq. Don't you think General Petraeus would want to do everything in his power to achieve victory in Iraq so his son's stay was as short and safe as possible?

It's his son! Just graduated from Ft. Benning and soon on his way to Iraq and you disregard this as a factor?

re: #108 southernborn

I don't know who I despise more, hillary or ron paul

Hillary is dangerous. Ron Paul is comic relief.

#108 southernborn
#111 Cicero95

Ron Paul has balls.
Hillary does not. Let's see her NOT ask for troop pullout at a UC Berkely fundraiser. She's a coward.

Ron Paul went to an extreme right, conservative, catholic university debate and declared his anti-war stance to the audience.

Besides, Ron Paul is easy to vote for in online polls, just point and click

Dead On Topic -

Ankara On High Alert As Mega-Terror Attack is Foiled

A citizen’s report to security authorities of a suspicious Mercedes Vito van parked in a multi-story car parking in the heart of the capital helped foil a mega terror attack in Turkey, on the anniversary of 9/11.

The car park, that is located in a busy district near school grounds, hospitals and many businesses was isolated, and all surrounding buildings were evacuated before the 700 lb. explosive was destroyed by security forces that employed every precaution.

The first evaluation by bomb experts was that this was a “mini atomic bomb”, of the same kind used in 2003 bombings of two synagogues, the British Consulate and a British Bank in Istanbul by Islamist Turks affiliated with Al Qaeda, that had killed over 60 people.

There is a massive search going on in Ankara to hunt down the three suspects that were recorded by the parking cameras as they were leaving the vehicle.

It is reported that authorities had been receiving warnings for a major terror attack in Turkey. High ranking military officials had in their recent speeches also warned about the possibility for such attacks in major Turkish cities.

Source: Hurriyet, Turkey, September 11, 2007

re: #46 galloping granny

re: #28 yochanan

my only question is why haven't they hit us in the homeland again. other than that they consider iraq to be the key battlefield at this time. Some one should really get the clue bat out and hit the copperheads with it.

You know, I have lived a long time. And in all my years, it is only since 911 that I have heard the United States of America referred to by anyone at anytime as "the Homeland." I've heard it called the USA, the Nation and just "home" but never "homeland" - which to me smacks of "The Motherland" and "The Fatherland." It makes us sound like Nazi Germany or Communist Russia.

I don't know who thought this one up, but I would love to shove it down their throat. "Homeland" security my *** - call it what it has always been: NATIONAL Security. We are a NATION, not just some "homeland."

I agree absolutely with your sentiment (although I'm not American, but I feel the same way about my home Canada). Trouble is, multiculturalism is completely eroding any sense of "nation" among our respective populations.

re: #83 MigueldowninMexico

Hi Miguel! Am scratching my head over this too. Not alone. Ah, well.

How are you?

re: #22 imploder

re: #19 zombie

Daisys would not grow on any ground he was under.

re: #99 Giarc

#2, #66,
Don't send that guy any money! Come on, think about the laws of thermodynamics; all that is going on there is that the water is being split into hydrogen and oxygen then re-burnt back into water. It HAS to take more energy to split the water than you get out of re-burning the gases.

A power plant burned a bunch of coal to generate steam to generate motion in a turbine to generate electricity to generate the radio frequency waves to split the water. Each and every step LOSES energy. Then the hydrogen re-burned and produced enough heat to run a dinky sterling engine which has the "amazing" capacity to turn a hamster wheel. TANSTAAFL folks!

Damned right. Try telling that to any of the zero point energy people though. Even engineering has its version of troothers who speak 'truth' to reality.

re: #41 mama winger

re: #30 Perplexed

re: #25 mama winger

That article was a gasper. Sad to hear that people feel that way.

Isn't it amazing? 6 years later and people still don't seem to have the slightest clue of what is at stake.

All of our freedoms are at stake. America goes and the whole world soon follows.

re: #117 Perplexed

re: #99 Giarc

#2, #66,
Don't send that guy any money! Come on, think about the laws of thermodynamics; all that is going on there is that the water is being split into hydrogen and oxygen then re-burnt back into water. It HAS to take more energy to split the water than you get out of re-burning the gases.

A power plant burned a bunch of coal to generate steam to generate motion in a turbine to generate electricity to generate the radio frequency waves to split the water. Each and every step LOSES energy. Then the hydrogen re-burned and produced enough heat to run a dinky sterling engine which has the "amazing" capacity to turn a hamster wheel. TANSTAAFL folks!

Damned right. Try telling that to any of the zero point energy people though. Even engineering has its version of troothers who speak 'truth' to reality.

No shiite, guys.

Yahoo "Green" has its article on "burning salt-water".

I nominate it for the absolutely stupidest article of the year.

Any seven year old can use a battery and a piece of wire to dissociate hydrogen and oxygen. And make a dandy explosion. Yahoo (and AP and Breitbart) need to run their editorial process past Jeff Foxworthy's 11 year old friends. Sheesh. I mean, seriously, sheesh.

I used to think (stupidly, I guess) that my living as a dhimmi would be MY choice. Belgium seems to have made that choice for all it's non-muslim population...and has become the enforcer of their dhimmi's for their muslim overlords as well!

Belgium cracks down on anti-Islam protest
Agence France-Presse
Belgian police arrested 154 people for taking part in a banned protest in Brussels against "the Islamisation of Europe", on the anniversary of the September 11, 2001 attacks. "There were 154 administrative arrests," said city mayor Freddy Thielemans, who imposed the ban last month amid fears that the demonstration could enrage the capital's immigrant community. Under Belgian law, they could be held for up to 24 hours. ...
[Link: www.abc.net.au...]

re: #112 Jeff MacMillan

#108 southernborn
#111 Cicero95
Besides, Ron Paul is easy to vote for in online polls, just point and click

That would be : "just point and click-click-click-click-click-click-click-click"

re: #18 imploder
Out of the country then?
Yep.
Did you get a sense of what the Soviet Space Station astronauts felt like when they woke up one morning and discovered there was no Soviet Union anymore to bring them back down? Be out of the country, brand new in another country, with little kids depending on you and your bank account is in New York, you don't have all that much money in yer pockets - and all flights to & from the USA grounded indefinitely. Couldn't bail out and go home even if we had wanted to (and we did), with no idea if money was going to come in or not and no concept as to what the USA was going to do.
Felt a bit like that - until Bush began to broadcast that he was mad as hell, then it got much better.

BBC Tells Kids 911 U.S. Fault

The way America has got involved in conflicts in regions like the Middle East has made some people very angry, including a group called al-Qaeda - who are widely thought to have been behind the attacks.
In the past, al-Qaeda leaders have declared a holy war - called a jihad - against the US. As part of this jihad, al-Qaeda members believe attacking US targets is something they should do.

When the attacks happened in 2001, there were a number of US troops in a country called Saudi Arabia, and the leader of al-Qaeda, Osama Bin Laden, said he wanted them to leave.

Who cares. Osama couldn't beat me in a friendly match of arm wrestling, much less could he terrorize me. Fuck that idiot.

I hereby publically challenge Osama Bin Laden to a fight. No holds barred.

Pussy couldn't even land a left jab, much less would he show up.

And yes, this is a real Bowflex body.

re: #119 itellu3times

When in high school chemistry class we were making hydrogen gas using electrolysis and collecting the gas in water filled test tubes. With the experiment finished I grabbed a chunk of rubber tubing and the striker. The teacher saw this and ran over to immediately put a halt to the side experiment.

When this gets shut down as bad science the engineering troothers will claim that another great invention was quashed by the oil companies. It takes a whole lot of energy to separate oxygen from hydrogen (more than you get when you burn oxygen and hydrogen) otherwise this experiment could result in a perpetual motion machine (more energy out than you put in).

No one has more Muslim blood on their hands than Osama bin Laden does. Apparently that is why he is so beloved within his evil cult and so admired among lefty bloggers.

If you are a democrat, it's a good day to remind yourself how you like to waffle in the face of terror. How you like to pretend it doesn't exist. All so you can have your guilt free European vacation and let your kids pay your dues after you die.

The only thing that could make this thing more phony is if they'd Clutch Cargoed it. And the media is reporting that it "raises questions." LOL. It's taken them this long to question.

But seriously, I won't make any decisions regarding this new tape until I see Iowahawk's analysis.

re: #76 eon

re: #65 eon

Correction; radio-frequency induced, not sonic.

(Bangs head against keyboard)

cheers

eon

Disclaimer-I are not an engineer...

My thought on making it a viable alternative to gasoline is this:
1. Does the reaction yield more energy than is put into starting it?
2. If yes to 1 then since it looks very low pressure reaction as opposed to explosive (for all I know it could be explosive etc) could that be used to run a steam engine setup that generates electricity and could be used in place of huge batteries to run an electric car...
or
3. If it can yield explosive energy would it work more efficiently in a non-piston rotary engine (can't think of the Japanese car company that developed and uses it currently).

Just a few thoughts about helping to break the oil tic's grip and save a few bucks along the way...

Heeey... maybe this guy just reinvented the car that runs on water that the (old school) truthers said the oil companies buried... where's the tinfoil...

re: #93 jcm

I work in a engineering design house (integrated circuits), I truly worry that ENGINEERS buy into that stuff. I just hope none of 'em work at Boeing.

I was going to refer some work to a civil engineer I know -- independent operator. We had a couple beers one night, and he mentioned Loose Change and how it made a lot of sense.

That one statement displayed such a glaring lack of basic engineering knowledge (and from a CIVIL engineer, you know, the people who DESIGN buildings) that I could not in good conscience refer the work to him.

I also lost a lot of respect for him right there. Sadly, he hasn't gotten it back...

re: #125 Perplexed

re: #119 itellu3times

When in high school chemistry class we were making hydrogen gas using electrolysis and collecting the gas in water filled test tubes. With the experiment finished I grabbed a chunk of rubber tubing and the striker. The teacher saw this and ran over to immediately put a halt to the side experiment.

When this gets shut down as bad science the engineering troothers will claim that another great invention was quashed by the oil companies. It takes a whole lot of energy to separate oxygen from hydrogen (more than you get when you burn oxygen and hydrogen) otherwise this experiment could result in a perpetual motion machine (more energy out than you put in).

Disclaimer #2 - not a chemical engineer... although I did Chem Tech for high school... 20 odd years ago...

However this doesn't look like it is just electrolysis - they are using salt water so there is more than just "loosening the bonds of the h20" going on IMO and the other materials involved may actually be being supersaturated (on a chemical bond level?) and be reacting to reform their bonds... or it could just be that the salt portion allows the radio waves to perform the same effect of electrolysis on the h20... it could also be some combination of the two or maybe something totally different...

re: #99 Giarc

#2, #66,
Don't send that guy any money! Come on, think about the laws of thermodynamics; all that is going on there is that the water is being split into hydrogen and oxygen then re-burnt back into water. It HAS to take more energy to split the water than you get out of re-burning the gases.

A power plant burned a bunch of coal to generate steam to generate motion in a turbine to generate electricity to generate the radio frequency waves to split the water. Each and every step LOSES energy. Then the hydrogen re-burned and produced enough heat to run a dinky sterling engine which has the "amazing" capacity to turn a hamster wheel. TANSTAAFL folks!

Not breaking out the checkbook just yet... you're correct-if the whole setup is the equivalent of taking a match to a chunk of wood and the wood is doing the rest of the burning then it's a good thing but if the whole thing is the equivalent of having to stand there with a flamethrower to make charcoal then it's not a breakthrough for transportation... it looks like air is in the mix though and iirc both sodium and chloride can have violent reactions when exposed to the air and ignited-the radio waves may be setting this up as opposed to anything really happening with the h20 part of the equation... who knows...

re: #130 MoonbatBane

re: #93 jcm

I work in a engineering design house (integrated circuits), I truly worry that ENGINEERS buy into that stuff. I just hope none of 'em work at Boeing.

I was going to refer some work to a civil engineer I know -- independent operator. We had a couple beers one night, and he mentioned Loose Change and how it made a lot of sense.

That one statement displayed such a glaring lack of basic engineering knowledge (and from a CIVIL engineer, you know, the people who DESIGN buildings) that I could not in good conscience refer the work to him.

I also lost a lot of respect for him right there. Sadly, he hasn't gotten it back...

IMO a good way to explain that steel melts/loses strength is to explain how Sherman's troops made neckties out of railroad tracks in the Civil War at lower temps than the steel in the two towers withstood... then make sure they know the difference between a few hefty Union soldiers twisting rail and a load bearing beam with literally tons upon tons of pressure on it...

OT: What's up with the cair website? Anyone know?

re: #131 anotherindyfilmguy

Nano sized metal particles in solution. Hit them with enough RF at the right frequency and you might have localized arcing (electrolysis in effect) If the video is correct then you can see that he's running around 800 W into his RF probe.

re: #133 anotherindyfilmguy

Real men were stronger then than they are today.

/s

I'm voting Osama is alive but non-compos ( I mean - more than just his obvious nuts - catatonic or drooling - AIDS related dementia. )

No - that's not be being nasty or snarky. That's my serious bet.

Reasoning?
a) Arafat. (Need I say more?)
b) The brief rumor of dialysis-for-no-good-reason. (In a cave. In Afghanistan.)

The second is significant if one knows a bit about medical alchemy (aka the Islamic view of medicine) wherein most illness is seen as an imbalance or impurity of the 'humors' - primarily of the blood and/or urine.

There are enough 'friendly' nations where Osama B could have been treated ( openly or covertly )for a kidney failure or almost any disease for which dialysis is the *legitimate* treatment - provided he wanted to risk a legitimate diagnosis. (And risk the details thereof getting out. ) This do-it-yourself suggests he had something that he *didn't* want to acknowledge.

As for the treatment chosen? Well, if one is a fanatic with a 7th century education and world view? See above.

But I don't think Osama's actually room temperature yet.

If he was, we'd have heard the story of his miraculous assent into heaven ( there's another trope ) from atop the minarets of Mecca. Plus one or more of the 'deputies' would have let his ego take over and announced his... takeover.

re: #140 missykrissy

Wrong thread... move up one if you want people to see your comments>>>>

re: #139 ploome hineni

Is it just me or is it gone? When I google I can't open it. A few days now.

CHARLES -

Great 9/11/01 logo on your header.

God bless the United States of America!

re: #125 Perplexed

It takes a whole lot of energy to separate oxygen from hydrogen (more than you get when you burn oxygen and hydrogen

I strongly suspect it takes *exactly* the same amount to separate it, that you get when you recombine it. Except it's not so easy to get the separation energy just where you want it, just as it's not so easy to capture ALL the energy when you recombine it, so there is no danger of perpetual motion occurring.

re: #131 anotherindyfilmguy

However this doesn't look like it is just electrolysis - ...

Yes, it looks like it is just electrolysis, the overriding of the molecular bond by external energy, except the old electrode method is probably 10x more efficient. I vaguely recall you want to put some ions (eg, salt) in the water to facilitate the process for yada yada reason, whether you're doing it with microwaves or D-cells batteries.

You know you can generate electricity by sticking electrodes in a potato? My gosh, think of the green power! And, and, maybe if I stick electrodes into a cancer, it will suck out all the energy and recharge my cell phone! I need a $50,000,000 government grant immediately, but I'm afraid the AMA and OPEC will prevent it. It's the system, man.

The one good thing about bin Laden or his puppet masters taking to the airwaves again is that it should put paid to the idiot troofers who keep saying 9/11 is an inside job. How have they explained away bin Laden's previous claims? Is he under the control of Bush as well?

Whether he's the real thing or a double behind the dark beard, (totalitarians are always reluctant to admit their leaders have shuffled off the mortal coil) they've got the last will and testament of the suicide box-cutter pilots that the troofers claim were what...innocent passengers? phantoms? as supposedly there were no planes going down in a field or hitting the Pentagon and the ones we all saw hit the towers were apparently over-kill or a distraction as the buildings were coincidentally brought down by controlled demolitionwith charges set at night over months by the demolition dwarves...my head hurts anytime I try to recreate a troofer's meandering delirium.

Every conspiracy theorist should shut up now, or be carted off to the looney bin where they belong.

I am asking that people go to "petition online" and sign the petition called "France2" asking a French television company which has been sitting on film for the last 7 years which shows that the Israeli military did not shoot a child in cold blood who died in his father's arms and which created lots of anti Israeli sentiment in Europe but in fact the kid was acting and woke up after the death scene. The reporter who reported on this is being sued for defamation and the television company is saying that they don't want to release the film because they don't want to upset the public or some stupid thing. Prager had the reporter on this morning and not many people signed the petition. The reporter's name is Philippe Karsenty
[Link: www.m-r.fr...]
It regards the alleged death of Muhamed Al-Durah

Prager: [Link: dennisprager.townhall.com...]

re: #34 Cicero05

Isn't it possible that before Bin Laden died he spoke into a recorder a variety of words like Bush and Rumsfield and 9/11 and crusader and matyr and Mohammed and Islam and USA and Israel and Big Satan and Little Satan and death and destruction will rain on you and convert now, and join now, and anything they thought might be useful in the future and that they can just string along these words and make new speeches anytime they want to like a computer generated voice with his voice? They have machines where you can record a sound and then compose with that sound.

Police arrest 2 far-right Belgian leaders at anti-Islam 9/11 protest

[Link: www.iht.com...]

Eastern Michigan University didn't recognize in anyway shape or form, muhc less memorialize, 9/11 yesterday. They are most definitely not alone in such a disgrace.

That's my good ole Alma Matter for you. They spend tens of thousands of dollars on MLK day and nothing on 9/11 or virtually anything to celebrate our American Soldiers and the ROTC students on campus for their bravery and sacrifice.

[Link: emutalk.org...]

Syrian nukes?

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

re: #152 Jeff MacMillan

Eastern Michigan University didn't recognize in anyway shape or form, muhc less memorialize, 9/11 yesterday. They are most definitely not alone in such a disgrace.

That's my good ole Alma Matter for you. They spend tens of thousands of dollars on MLK day and nothing on 9/11 or virtually anything to celebrate our American Soldiers and the ROTC students on campus for their bravery and sacrifice.

[Link: emutalk.org...]

Sorry that your alma mater acts this way.
This is the same school that tried to cover up the murder of a coed by a Muslim student. Bad for business

re: #131 anotherindyfilmguy
Also ties back to #2 and #65;

There is no surplus or unexploited (chemical) energy in saltwater. The energy producing reactions have already happened- 2H +1/2 O2 to make the water and Na + Cl to make the salt. We are at the "bottom of the hill" chemically with saltwater, it will take energy to split the water or to mess around with the sodium and/or chlorine ions. This will take more energy than the resulting flame or plasma (or whatever!) produces because there are always losses.

At best this MIGHT be a way to produce hydrogen more efficiently, but it will not produce a net energy gain. Any supposed catalytic effect (by resonating at the "frequency of platinum"!) or "loosening" the hydrogen bond to make "HHO" instead of H2O is hokum and hand-waving. It is NOT "burning" the saltwater, saltwater cannot burn, it has already burned.

The shame of it is that John Kanzius has now gotten Professor Rustum Roy to support him. Roy is a chemist and materials scientist (which is my field) of substanial note who did work of some importance, but appears to be getting a bit daft in his advancing years (he has recently tried to prove homeopathy). Roy claims that they will take the process to the federal labs;
"Roy will meet this week with officials from the Department of Energy and the Department of Defense to try to obtain research funding." [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I hope they don't waste too much taxpayer money re-proving the laws of thermodynamics!

Just wait, I will bet that Kanzius will next claim some sort of fusion is going on, so the "Kanzius Effect" can produce energy by a means beyond chemical reaction. He will turn into a cold fusion nutter and another "Free Lunch Here!" scheme will join the heap.