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Tue, Sep 11, 2007 at 8:37:17 pm PDT

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1 Milk Toast Intolerant  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:38:04pm

Oh, dear, lawd. More self reflection? What a maroon.

2 metoothen  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:38:32pm

Yes, but we all don't commit ourselves to mass murder of civilians.

Just sayin'.

3 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:38:59pm
4 Caliredst8r  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:39:42pm

Of course it was a failure of human understanding! Clinton failed to understand that OBL meant what he said about destroying the West and declined the opportunity to get Bin Laden when he was just about handed to us on a silver platter.

5 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:40:11pm
6 zmdavid  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:40:24pm

Wasn't there some guy during WWII who said he could have avoided it if he could just have talked to Hitler?

7 rappmandu  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:41:14pm

Given the previous thread on the politics of the brain, it sounds like they are blaming conservatives for 9/11.

Failures of human understanding exist solely in the right-wing brain.

/

8 Wyatt Junker  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:41:36pm

Indeed. Just a little misunderstandin'. A minor disagreement. Nuttin much.

Not quite a John Kerry though. 9/11 was a nuisance then.

Nuisances are much worse than mis-unner-stand-ins.

9 Milk Toast Intolerant  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:41:58pm

re: #3 song_and_dance_man

Left brains gone wild.

I think the governor is missing the right part of his brain, the part that controls his spine.

10 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:42:24pm
“It was a mean and nasty and bitter attack on the United States. But it was also a failure of human beings to understand each other, to learn to love each other.”

When did the Dalia Lama become governor of Mass?

11 Frank_Mtl  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:42:47pm

A failure of human understanding? No kidding! lol

12 ErislDysnomia  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:42:47pm

9/11 Was a 'Failure of Human Understanding'

No, a failure of subhuman understanding - that is, understanding of medieval subhuman barbarians.

13 Catttt  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:42:48pm

The failure to love each other part gets me. Kumbayah-R US, huh, Gov?

We don't have to all love each other!

There are a lot of people I don't love and don't WANT to love. That doesn't mean I plan to kill them!

14 Cicero05  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:42:54pm

Clearly a "left-wing brain" at work.

15 lookingup  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:43:33pm

Nothing good has come out of Massachusetts since the revolutionary war.
Makes me wonder about Mitt.

16 The Other Les  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:44:11pm

My lack of God! What a moron!

17 rappmandu  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:44:24pm

I like stories.

-Homer J. Simpson

18 cpuller  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:45:12pm
But it was also a failure of human beings to understand each other,

We failed to understand some things, but it wasn't how to love one another, it was we failed, or rather people like Clinton failed, to understand that there murdering savages hate us and will kill us in any way they know how.

When an animal is sick with rabies, we shoot it and put it out of its misery. Well, these "animals" have "rabies".

19 turn  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:45:18pm

“Among many other things, 9/11 was a failure of human understanding,” Patrick said. “It was a mean and nasty and bitter attack on the United States. But it was also a failure of human beings to understand each other, to learn to love each other realize the Little Eichman's deserved it.”

Ward Churchill RIP

20 Bob's Kid  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:45:49pm

re: #7 rappmandu

Given the previous thread on the politics of the brain, it sounds like they are blaming conservatives for 9/11.


/

Well of COURSE it was.

I mean, like, DUH.

/

21 cpuller  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:46:10pm

re: #15 lookingup

Nothing good has come out of Massachusetts since the revolutionary war.
Makes me wonder about Mitt.

Hey, now! I came out of there and, well, I have been fortunate to not go back.

22 Dianna  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:46:21pm

re: #13 Cattt

Which is the difference between a civilized person and a barbarian.

23 yenta-fada  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:46:23pm

I think I'm getting autistic.

24 Shr_Nfr  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:46:32pm

As a resident of the unfortunate state of Taxachusetts let me state that there has been no governor of Taxachusetts (Republican or Democratic) that has had enough brains to know which end of a gun you use to fire with and which end you do not look into.

Mr. Partrick has done as much as Mr. Romney since he took office exactly nothing except to pump for himself and run down everyone else in sight sound and hearing.

25 lookingup  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:47:45pm

re: #21 cpuller
Willing to make you an exception!

26 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:47:45pm

Well it was a spiritual failure on the part of the Moslems, or shall we say a victory for 'Stan', on the Muslim side.

By the way, 15 minutes 'till midnight in New York, and nothing.

You're dead Osama, and your organization is twitching its last.

Neener neener neener.

27 Dianna  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:48:05pm

re: #23 yenta-fada

Meaning?

/mild confusion, waiting for the punchline.

28 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:48:15pm
29 rappmandu  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:48:41pm

Well, while we all are part of the same human story, I'd appreciate it if the superior left-wing brains would stop reading out loud and demanding that they narrate.

It's distracting.

30 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:49:13pm
"A Failure of Human Understanding."

Hmmm. He must mean a failure to understand that some humans adhering to the most defunct and insane of ideologies are capable of flying planes into giant buildings causing massive damage and incalculable loss with the deaths of over 3000 of our fellow Americans. Right?

31 Andy Dufresne  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:49:28pm

I know Deval Patrick very well, having worked for one of his opponents last year. These comments are exactly the type of thing he says all the time. Instead of proffering ideas or plans, he likes to pontificate about the "politics of hope." So, basically, he's a regular ultra liberal Massachusetts politician.

32 ctrlL  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:49:35pm

OMG ... nooo
[hangs head in shame and mortification]
I was hoping we could just keep this embarrassment to ourselves until he is voted out in 43 years 2 months. He is a mooonbat from the Clintoon administration that won the governorship this year with the slogan -

TOGETHER, WE CAN

/and it was the only thing he won on

//ugh

33 kreigwagon  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:49:45pm

re: #6 zmdavid

Wasn't there some guy during WWII who said he could have avoided it if he could just have talked to Hitler?

He was reincarnated to a multi-headed beast with the likes of Shehag-al Bore-Shrillary-Dhimmi Carter-Babs "The Bitch" Boxer-Dihag Feinstien and every ones favorite: Kos his very lowly self. The heads rotate as needed or as determined by LLL.

34 cookielady  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:49:50pm

HOW VERY SAD! ggrrr

35 NY Nana  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:50:16pm

re: #8 Wyatt Junker

I escaped from MA permanently, in 1965, before our second kid was born. I am from there originally.

This is the POS who said that...

36 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:51:09pm

re: #31 Andy Dufresne

I know Deval Patrick very well, having worked for one of his opponents last year. These comments are exactly the type of thing he says all the time. Instead of proffering ideas or plans, he likes to pontificate about the "politics of hope." So, basically, he's a regular ultra liberal Massachusetts politician.

Holy smokes, if that is "hope" I would hate to see what he considers "pessimism"...

37 NY Nana  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:51:14pm

re: #24 Shr_Nfr

My sympathy...Brighton and Newton...before I escaped.

38 ratherdashing  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:51:36pm

Here's one who "understands" it. Another Muslim who rejects Islam and admits it.


For the past nine months, this blog has been a place for me to grow and evolve, both mentally and emotionally. When I first started this blog, I was worried that my parents would disown me, or that somehow I was making a mistake and that there had to be an easier way to deal with the situation I was in. In with dealing with the situation of being in a relationship with a non-Muslim, I realized that there was more at issue. ...

Read the rest, if you wish.

39 yah  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:52:13pm

You can see the Gov here in the striped shirt:

40 rappmandu  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:52:27pm

If it's the same human story, why does theirs only have pictures?

41 yenta-fada  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:52:48pm

Re: #27 Dianna

I just keep wondering if there's anybody out there...maybe in the sense of running things. Or maybe I keep wanting to bang my head against the wall to make sure I'M really here. It's just all so strange. okay. It's a cry for help.

42 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:52:50pm

Goodnight to all.

43 NY Nana  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:53:21pm

re: #32 ctrlL

You, too? Would all the prisoners lizards in Taxachusetts like the freed lizards to form an army and come rescue you?

44 turn  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:53:32pm

re: #42 Ojoe

Goodnight to all.

ditto

45 lookingup  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:53:48pm

re: #43 NY Nana
lol

46 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:53:55pm

re: #42 Ojoe

Goodnight to all.

I concur. Night everyone.

47 NY Nana  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:54:01pm

re: #42 Ojoe


G'night! Sweet dreams.

48 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:54:43pm

Thank God that the dems FAILED to steal FL and algore was not in the White House on 9/11.

49 NY Nana  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:54:46pm

re: #46 Oh no...Sand People!

You, too? A mass defection? :)

G'nite.

50 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:54:53pm
51 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:55:12pm

AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA DEVAL PATRICK

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAAHAHAH

Ahah... heh... Yeah.

Sorry, the only proper response to a populist cartoon character like him is mockery.

52 yesandno  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:55:47pm

Someone who is outstanding in his field!


In this case, he is out standing in the field where the bulls stay because he is steeped in BS...


Every year we move from 2001 there are people who keep screaming never forget, but they failed to ever remember. They never understood that 9/11 wasn't only about the death of 3000 people. It was the final ultimatum from a 6th century culture to those who have moved beyond and left them in the past that the future must be erased to appease the 6th century point of view. And that this is a war of civilization where many more will be killed before a winner will be declared. It is a lack of understanding...but only of the fact that we are at war. Time to grow up and leave the little boy toys behind.

53 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:55:49pm

Do the DemoGovernors have their own version of "Townhouse"? I bet both of these turds are HillStars.

54 Dublin(CA)Dude  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:56:03pm

I though I was on the road to recovery after last week's heart attack, then I read this sh*t and my BP goes through the roof. I gotta stop reading this stuff, upsets me too much.

55 rappmandu  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:56:58pm

Let me guess, does this human story start with "Once upon a time" and end with "and they lived happily ever after"?

56 ornery elephant  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:57:26pm

I've spent a good deal of time reading many blogs today about the remembrance of 9/11. And everyone has done a wonderful job of paying tribute to the honor of those victims. But I'm still mad as hell. Six years later and my fury is greater now, than it was the day after.

Anyway...my favorite from the blogs today was this from The Gunslinger.

9/11 is the day I remember what the Islamic pukes did to my country and my countrymen. It is the day I stoke my hatred of Islam at the fire of the Twin Towers; the day I renew my honor-oath to do everything I can to see Islam crushed to dust like the buildings and people at Ground Zero, and it's the day I celebrate as the Road to Damascus moment that converted me from a feckless former Liberal hippy into a fierce, armed, angry American Sheep-Dog.

9/11 is the day I clean my guns.

The Gunslinger

Here's her whole post

57 Beagle  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:57:43pm

Rumble in Brussels
To an American it's surreal watching the police go all Kung Fu on peaceful protesters. 'Rumble in Brussels' is a trivial way of noting the death of free speech in the EU and the dhimmification of a continent.

58 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:58:36pm

Why do we have Massachusetts, anyway? If they put up a border fence like East Germany and officially declared Communism, would anybody notice?

/glad I left, proud member of the Mass Exodus, 2005

59 NY Nana  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:58:52pm

re: #45 lookingup

Could we see a show of hands for those who require rescue? Vermonters can also apply, as it is a sparsely populated commune. Just watch out for Ben and Jerry and Howard 'the scream' Dean!

/Sorry, no room for all the cows, and anyway, they emit too much methane into the atmosphere. Dang that global warming.

60 whosoever  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:59:08pm

Please forgive me if this has already been posted:
Fidel is a troofer

61 ctrlL  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:59:10pm

BTW, just a FYI on Gov. Patrick -
His employment prior to becoming Gov of Mass. was as CEO (I think) of Ameriquest ... a now bankrupt (or in the current process) Loan company that was heavy into the scandal of approving and providing mortgages to people who were not credit-worthy. The bail-out for some of these holders will cost you and me plenty as time goes by, imo.

/guess he was really putting the TOGETHER WE CAN mantra to good use

62 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:59:13pm

Both will now dedicate their crescent shaped harbors to Mo.

63 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:59:32pm

re: #48 newsjunkie_ky

Thank God that the dems FAILED to steal FL and algore was not in the White House on 9/11.

hmmm. if the Gorebot had been the Prez on 9/11, what would he have done? Heres my top 3.

1) Bemoaned the global warming effect from the uncontrolled fires.
2) Blamed Ronald Reagan
3) Asked Joe Lieberman to resign

64 kreigwagon  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:59:53pm

re: #54 Dublin(CA)Dude

I though I was on the road to recovery after last week's heart attack, then I read this sh*t and my BP goes through the roof. I gotta stop reading this stuff, upsets me too much.

Dude, slow down, deep breaths. Ok? cool. Now to quote from simple words of wisdom: Stupid is as Stupid does. Now repeat that over to yourself when a moonbat pontificates.

/No need to work one's self up over the stupidity of moonbats

65 Dianna  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 8:59:58pm

re: #41 yenta-fada

I hear that.

Just remember, they're blathering because they don't know what to say, really.

66 Hucbald  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:00:14pm

Is there a politician who isn't an empty suit (Or dress)?

No one comes to mind.

67 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:01:08pm

re: #58 Pawn of the Oppressor

My theory is that they empathize with OBL. They have in common corrupt politicians and big digs that might cave in at any moment.

68 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:01:17pm

re: #54 Dublin(CA)Dude

after last week's heart attack

Dude! Take care man. We need you around here. Glad you made it through.

69 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:01:34pm
70 Dianna  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:01:40pm

re: #54 Dublin(CA)Dude

You had a heart attack? I missed this news?

Are you all right?

71 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:02:03pm
72 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:02:43pm

re: #66 Hucbald

Is there a politician who isn't an empty suit (Or dress)?

ummm. You forgot "or pantsuit".

73 Magalaga Ding Dong  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:02:59pm

This is the kind of crap that pisses me off. I was having a very careful discussion with my friend a while ago, and the surface subject matter was the war in Iraq. As with most people around here, she is dead set against any kind of violence at all, whether it's called for or not (which it never is, according to her). The thing she said was that she just thinks about these people who are our "so-called" enemies and the fact that they have children just like we do, and they want the best for their kids, just like we do. But THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY TRUE. I was all for this train of thought til I saw them hand their children guns to kill us with and taught them to look forward to blowing themselves up to get rid of a few of us. THEY ARE NOT LIKE US.
/period.

74 pbird  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:03:00pm

re: #54 Dublin(CA)Dude

I though I was on the road to recovery after last week's heart attack, then I read this sh*t and my BP goes through the roof. I gotta stop reading this stuff, upsets me too much.

Good grief, Dublin. Take care, get better and return to the aggravation strong.

75 AZfederalist  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:03:17pm
? Video: 9/11 was a “failure of human understanding,” says Mass. governor; Update: “[W]e are all part of the same human story,” says NY governor.

Well, in a sense he is correct. Those of the islamofascist persuasion have failed to understand and recognize that not all people agree with their fanatical devotion to the beast. We are all part of the human story, unfortunately, those who are entrapped in the Beast's faith have given their souls to an evil, depraved spirit. So yes, the governor is correct in that there is a failure of human understanding, he just doesn't get who is failing in that understanding.

So, what are the rest of us to do? We understand what the problem is, but those entrapped in that ideology do not and are lethal to those not of their persuasion with whom they come in contact. The ultimate answer is to provide access to the truth and attempt to persuade them away from that cult. However, at the same time, we also need to take steps to assure that they cannot further their evil plans. Our side's efforts to foil the evil plans of the islamofascists will ultimately be lethal to many of them -- but we must not shy away from that fact otherwise we are offering our own innocents as sacrifices to the Beast. And governors like the Taxachussetts governor are the willing accomplices to those sacrifices.

76 coquimbojoe  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:03:27pm

Umm...electing this fool was 'a failure of human understanding".

77 Dublin(CA)Dude  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:03:34pm

re: #70 Dianna

Yeah, last Tuesday at 2:30 am had bad chest pains, called 911, went to SAn Ramon Medical, at 10 am had the attack, they caught it on monitor before I knew it, went right to angioplasty, got the clogged (99%) artery balloned out and a stent installed. Very lucky, NO heart damage. Was home by Thursday and back to work yesterday.

78 lookingup  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:03:40pm

re: #69 song_and_dance_man

re: #66 Hucbald


Is there a politician who isn't an empty suit (Or dress)?

No one comes to mind.


Tancredo


Hunter

79 ctrlL  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:03:50pm

43 NY Nana
Transplanted for a time to New Hampshire mid 70's when Dukakis was Gov and we couldn't afford a house here. Enjoyed Florida for a few years in the early 80's but have been a loyal resident and member of the opposition since. I do my own damage to moonbats on the local level.
LOL
/not quite ready to bail yet

80 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:04:05pm
81 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:04:43pm

re: #66 Hucbald

Is there a politician who isn't an empty suit (Or dress)?

No one comes to mind.

I think so. A very few.

The problem here is the special brand of blinkered arrogance peculiar to Massachusetts politicians. My pet theory is that it comes from vestiges of 17th-century Calvinism, with statism replacing God.

82 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:05:43pm

re: #77 Dublin(CA)Dude

b-b-but I thought American health care was the worst in the world? Geeze someone find my cognitive dissonance meds.

///

83 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:05:57pm

I gotta car that needs the oil checked.

This man can have the job as dip-stick

84 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:06:49pm

re: #83 A Kiwi Infidel

I gotta car that needs the oil checked.

This man dip-stick can have the job as dip-stick

Self correction, there

85 Dianna  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:07:03pm

re: #77 Dublin(CA)Dude

Yow!

It's good you're back at work, and commenting, and best of all that there's no damage. I am profoundly relieved.

BTW, we're having the pinot you gave us on Thursday; I will send a report.

86 Dublin(CA)Dude  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:07:24pm

re: #82 Mich-again

I'd rate it A+. If I was in Canada, probably still be sitting in a waiting room.

87 Dublin(CA)Dude  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:08:13pm

re: #85 Dianna

From my experience with that pinot, let it breath for a good half hour before you drink it, seems to bring it to full flavor.

88 kreigwagon  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:08:41pm

re: #77 Dublin(CA)Dude

re: #70 Dianna

Yeah, last Tuesday at 2:30 am had bad chest pains, called 911, went to SAn Ramon Medical, at 10 am had the attack, they caught it on monitor before I knew it, went right to angioplasty, got the clogged (99%) artery balloned out and a stent installed. Very lucky, NO heart damage. Was home by Thursday and back to work yesterday.

Glad to hear you're ok. Try to stay cool and not get yourself worked up over the b.s.

89 Dianna  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:09:21pm

re: #87 Dublin(CA)Dude

I'll pass that on to the Male. He's staying home Thursday, which is why there will be a meal worthy of a good wine.

90 realwest  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:09:28pm

re: #54 Dublin(CA)Dude Hey there Dude! I'm sure glad to see you out here. I guess you weren't kidding when you said you were going back to work yesterday and, I assume today.
Unless your doctor tells you not to get angry and not to let your anger out (verbally or in writing only!) go ahead and post out here. You're a smart man and it's nice to have you back and to read your other comments today as well!

91 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:09:54pm

re: #86 Dublin(CA)Dude

probably still be sitting

If that were really the case I doubt you'd still be sitting. Anyway, you're still with us and thats a good thing bro. Keep on keepin on!

92 yah  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:10:08pm

re: #58 Pawn of the Oppressor

re: #77 Dublin(CA)Dude
Wow.

93 Dublin(CA)Dude  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:10:44pm

re: #90 realwest

Hey realwest, yeah, back to work, but only part time this week. Hope you're doing well youself on this solemn anniversary.

94 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:11:08pm

re: #77 Dublin(CA)Dude
I hope that it was a modern, drug-eluting stent, and that your doc has read up on alpha lipoic acid and L'carnitine, along with Omega oil(s) and CoQ10, they'rethe bomb.

Docs are seeing damaged heart, artery, brain and liver tissue repair.

95 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:11:18pm

re: #77 Dublin(CA)Dude

re: #70 Dianna

Yeah, last Tuesday at 2:30 am had bad chest pains, called 911, went to SAn Ramon Medical, at 10 am had the attack, they caught it on monitor before I knew it, went right to angioplasty, got the clogged (99%) artery balloned out and a stent installed. Very lucky, NO heart damage. Was home by Thursday and back to work yesterday.


Well done, you recognised the signs and got help. There are so many people who ignore the signs and then, boomph, its all over.

Good to see you are still around for the bun fight.

(from a NZ Kiwi on hypertension meds)

96 Conserve Liberty  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:11:55pm

Hey Governor, ya see my Nick? Wanna know why I chose it? Well lemme tell ya.

You see, I am the eldest son of the eldest son of the eldest son, etc. all the way back to Capt. Edmund Allen Howard (Cxxx), who outfitted the 1st Maryland Regiment in Gen. Washington's Army with uniforms. That makes him Continental Line.

The regiment saw its first action at a little place on the southern tip of Manhattan Island called Brooklyn Hill.

Funny thing about that place - although no one can really be sure where it was, it is thought the World Trade Center was built on top of it. In 1976 a plaque was placed on the South Tower by a revolutionary war historical society commemorating the action. My grandfather and father were there. I've always regretted that I didn't take the time away from college to be with them.

So maybe you'll understand why I might be a tad heated today - maybe you'll understand me when I say

STFU you sniveling coward.

CL

97 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:12:31pm

re: #80 cbinflux

Never Forget

Thanks for sharing. Now he is a Great American. I wore my 9/11 t-shirt (with the picture of the 3 Firefighters raising the Flag in the rubble) today and had my small American Flag on the front door. Next year I'll do more.

98 yenta-fada  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:12:53pm

#65 Dianna

"Just remember, they're blathering because they don't know what to say, really."

OK. I'm taking three months worth of living expenses out of the bank because I don't think the government knows how to deal with the current financial blowups. If you think the Fed knows what it is doing anymore than the rest of the talking heads out there, you are too trusting. IMHO, of course.

99 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:13:47pm
100 coquimbojoe  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:13:48pm

Dublin (CA) Dude, good to hear of your recovery. I love the fact that when something of substance comes up, in this case your health, we immediately forget the idiocy and focus on the important. It seems as though, to conservatives at least, life is always more important than politics.

And, although I don't drink myself, you might want to start drinking that fine pinot noir daily, for medicinal purposes, of course!

101 Dublin(CA)Dude  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:13:51pm

re: #94 cbinflux

Yes, it is drug eluding, Taxus Express 2 stent. And to think my cholesteral is all of 141. Who would have guessed.

102 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:14:13pm
103 pat  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:14:42pm

I had the unfortunate experience of watching this. I guess the Left brain=Brilliant hypotheses is not so factually based, after all. One moron can throw the whole table.

104 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:15:03pm

re: #101 Dublin(CA)Dude

You'd be dead if not for the medicinal red wine... no bout adout it.

105 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:16:03pm

re: #101 Dublin(CA)Dude

BTW, that's a good product

106 Dianna  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:16:33pm

re: #98 yenta-fada

I'm not too trusting when it comes to money; but I would counsel you not to panic. The sub-prime meltdown isn't as bad as people are being told it is.

But I would definitely not borrow any money for a while.

107 pbird  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:16:34pm

re: #94 cbinflux

re: #77 Dublin(CA)Dude
I hope that it was a modern, drug-eluting stent, and that your doc has read up on alpha lipoic acid and L'carnitine, along with Omega oil(s) and CoQ10, they'rethe bomb.

Docs are seeing damaged heart, artery, brain and liver tissue repair.

Excellent advise!

108 Carridine  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:16:48pm

This is like "9-11 Inside Job"... in the sense that Islamist-supremacist terrorists GOT INSIDE our beliefs in the rationality and basic human decency of most humans; and GOT INSIDE the American desire to share the wealth, give the other guy the benefit of the doubt and believe the best of even this world's slimiest, filthiest and most blood-stained scum, then YES, 9-11 WAS an "inside job"...

"...9-11 was a failure of understanding..." was it? Then change your mind NOW, and UNDERSTAND!

Understand that they want to KILL OR SUBJUGATE YOU!

Understand that they believe God WANTS THEM to kill or subjugate you!

Understand that you are moving dung in their eyes.

Understand that they will stop at NOTHING to maim, kill or subjugate you!

109 ctrlL  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:18:17pm

re: #96 Conserve Liberty

Wow, congratulations on your lineage and proud understanding of its meaning. As I have said before, most DEMOCRATS/liberals/progressives/assholes are afraid and weak; they are sniveling cowards, as you have said.

110 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:18:19pm

re: #101 Dublin(CA)Dude

re: #94 cbinflux

Yes, it is drug eluding, Taxus Express 2 stent. And to think my cholesteral is all of 141. Who would have guessed.

So glad you are doing well. It isn't always the ones you would expect to have heart attack. A friend of my at 46 had a heart attack. She is thin, never smoked, good cholesteral. Had to have a triple by-pass.
Start slow buy build up to some exercise. My brother had a heart attack couple years ago and still eats crap and smokes. I have no sympathy for him.

111 Conserve Liberty  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:18:21pm

re: #102 savage_nation

re: #96 Conserve Liberty

Wow, that's quite a bloodline you have. Outstanding!

I don't normally speak (or write) about that because it says everything about dead people and nothing about me - but I'm just pissed again - same as every year.

CL

112 Dianna  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:18:32pm

re: #101 Dublin(CA)Dude

Have they settled the connection between cholesterol levels and plaque? I read something contradicting earlier certainties a while ago - reliability unknown, it was a summary on a blog, more "will they please make up their minds?" than anything else.

113 realwest  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:18:48pm

re: #93 Dublin(CA)Dude I'm doing ok, I guess.
Say, didja get the e-mail I sent to y'all?

114 pat  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:19:00pm

Anyone who is not looking for housing bargains now is a fool. Or a left brain Democrat. Trust me on this. And remember, location first, replacement cost right after. That is all I have to say on this.

115 Randband  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:19:57pm

Normally, the Dims make me angry. But this week my blood is BOILING!
For the sake of argument let's say the terrorists responded to something we did, say it was for a legitimate reason. Well I say SO WHAT! We have to respond to the attack regardless. Just like the argument that we are creating terrorists by being in Iraq. SO WHAT! They are responsible for their own actions--we're not MAKING them terrorists.
I am so sick of liberals defending our enemies.

116 rappmandu  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:20:02pm

Dublin(CA)Dude,

Cut back on the deep-fried moonbat wings. Try 'em baked or steamed.

Seriously, though, try to laugh at the moonbattery instead of getting, well, steamed. Glad you're doing better, fellow lizard!

117 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:20:12pm

re: #67 cbinflux

Having finished David McCullough's "1776" only a few weeks ago, I know for sure that's something to be proud of. I did not know about the WTC/Brooklyn Hill connection.

One of the great disappointments of my (short) intellectual life has been discovering what an utter sham my public education was. I had no idea, for example, that the main street nearest to my neighborhood back in Mass. is named for the second man to fall at the North Bridge in Concord. Or just how much of a "close-run thing" the war itself was... I've learned more from three weeks of reading McCullough and Hitchens' book on Jefferson than I did in entire classes during High School. And this was IN Massachusetts, where I was a half-hour drive from all kinds of historical places...

Feh...

118 uberfasiq  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:20:13pm

He is right you know -

...we failed to understand just how blood-thirsty the religious disciples of Muhammad are...

...and they failed to understand that there are still some people in this nation who aren't willing to become their pet Dhimmis (minus every obsequious liberal within our borders that is).

On a much more serious note - the real problem isn't that we don't understand human culture and history; the real problem is that we haven't a clue about our own need for mercy and grace - all of us. In the end, the greater lesson of 9/11 is found in Luke 13:1-5.

Selah

119 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:20:18pm

re: #111 Conserve Liberty

re: #102 savage_nation


re: #96 Conserve Liberty

Wow, that's quite a bloodline you have. Outstanding!

I don't normally speak (or write) about that because it says everything about dead people and nothing about me - but I'm just pissed righteously indignant again - same as every year.

CL

120 AZfederalist  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:20:20pm
#103 pat 9/11/07 9:14:42 pm reply quote report 0

I had the unfortunate experience of watching this. I guess the Left brain=Brilliant hypotheses is not so factually based, after all. One moron can throw the whole table.

One?

What about Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and most of all Algore? None of them exactly strike me as rocket scientist material. Nor Barney Frank, Leaky Leahy (sp?), Kucinich, Hagel, or Kerry. All seem kind of mediocre to low-end of the bell curve. Devious? yes, brain surgeons? Nope

121 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:20:34pm

g'nite everyone.
Never Forget!
Never Forgive!
Never Submit!

122 Nascar70  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:20:36pm

so sad that I have to live in the state that he is Gov of and should have never been elected but that is what happens when you live in a very blue state

123 B A Rabbit  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:20:38pm

re: #10 goodbye_natalie

You think thats bad, Trying driving around this messed up state reading all the "Yes we can! Deval Patrick" Bumper Stickers.

124 Highrise  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:20:39pm

re: #64 kreigwagon


Poor Dublin lives near san francisco...home of the moonbats!

Hey Dublin...Please take care of yourself. We need you around :) .

125 Dublin(CA)Dude  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:20:43pm

re: #110 newsjunkie_ky

I've been on a heart healty diet (Mediterran) for the last 12 years since I quit smoking. Now they've decide that 141 isn't low enough for me, so on cholestral lowering meds, Plavix, aspirin, etc. And until my back surgery was very active, former jock, used to walk 5-8 miles a day, so you are right, you never know who's going to get hit.

But thanks to all for the good wishes!

126 Dublin(CA)Dude  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:21:15pm

re: #113 realwest

Yes I did, that flag is waving at the bottom right of my screen as I type this. Thanks!

127 Dianna  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:21:18pm

re: #114 pat

If you can get a loan. The banks have frozen like deer in the headlights. Unless your credit is 780 or above, you're not getting a loan until sometime in fourth quarter, at least.

128 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:21:27pm

re: #113 realwest

[Link: green.yahoo.com...]

129 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:21:56pm

re: #104 cbinflux

no bout adout it.

Heh.

130 realwest  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:22:06pm

re: #106 Dianna Hey Dainna - hope you're well!
Um, don't want to fight over this, not here and certainly not today, but the subprime meltdown is every bit as big as they are telling us - although I still don't want the government to intervene.
As for borrowing money, good luck. There's not a whole lot of capital out there for folks to lend nor borrow.

132 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:23:06pm

re: #129 MandyManners
Alcohol fueled youmer

133 Dublin(CA)Dude  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:24:02pm

re: #112 Dianna

Dianna, I was always told to keep the count below 200, so I thought I was doing well. But I have an extensive family history, both sides, of heart disease, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I'm just grateful I recognized the signs and got to a good hospital with an outstanding cardiac program, made a big difference.

134 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:24:13pm

re: #130 realwest

But some can still get loans w/o SSN's!

135 acushla  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:24:46pm

Zombie: BRAAAINSSS.
Deval: I'll pass.

136 Nascar70  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:24:56pm

re: #121 newsjunkie_ky

g'nite everyone.
Never Forget!
Never Forgive!
Never Submit!

on every anniversary I get chills all over just like when i found out about the towers 6 years ago.

137 pat  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:25:35pm

re: #127 Dianna

There is a great deal of owner financing out there, and rentals are still very strong.
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Dianna, I know you did that to make me address the topic one more time after saying I would not! LOL (I am going to keep an eye on you. ;) )

138 Dianna  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:26:08pm

re: #130 realwest

Good to see you, too! No, I won't fight about this.

Interesting article in Forbes, this week, about it that shares my viewpoint, though.

Did you see Megan McCardle's article? I think Instapundit linked it last Thursday. Very interesting. Inconclusive, but interesting.

139 realwest  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:26:08pm

re: #110 newsjunkie_ky I understand where you're coming from, but to be so angry with your brother that you can say "My brother had a heart attack couple years ago and still eats crap and smokes. I have no sympathy for him."
Is just plain sad.

140 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:26:13pm
141 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:26:14pm

re: #133 Dublin(CA)Dude

That history, diabetes, etc. are now told to stay below 100. Some docs are returning to niacin vs. the often muscle strength draining Lipitor, etc. YMMV

142 Nascar70  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:26:42pm

re: #123 B A Rabbit

re: #10 goodbye_natalie

You think thats bad, Trying driving around this messed up state reading all the "Yes we can! Deval Patrick" Bumper Stickers.

I do see them and want to cover them up everytime i see them with a republican sticker just to tick them off : )

143 NY Nana  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:26:50pm

re: #101 Dublin(CA)Dude

re: #94 cbinflux

Yes, it is drug eluding, Taxus Express 2 stent. And to think my cholesteral is all of 141. Who would have guessed.

Mazel tov on your recovery! And a cholesterol of 141? Ouch! That does happen, but still..thank G-d you didn't sit and wait for something to happen.

It is far better to go, and find out that you are OK, than to wait til you really feel awful. And men are lousy patients..you are a wise man.

144 Dianna  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:27:19pm

re: #133 Dublin(CA)Dude

Family history is the clincher, I think. Well, I'm the last person to give advice on heart healthy behaviors. Just take care of yourself!

145 Conserve Liberty  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:27:24pm

re: #119 cbinflux

re: #111 Conserve Liberty

re: #102 savage_nation


re: #96 Conserve Liberty


Wow, that's quite a bloodline you have. Outstanding!


I don't normally speak (or write) about that because it says everything about dead people and nothing about me - but I'm just pissed righteously indignant again - same as every year.CL

Yep.

146 Nascar70  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:28:15pm

re: #140 song_and_dance_man

I'm watching a History channel program on the grounding of Airliners on 9/11/2001. Once American Airlines heard the news of planes hitting the Twin Towers they decided to ground their planes. One pilot who was going to taxi decided to return to the terminal. According to this program and the pilot, when they returned six middle eastern men ran from the plane and left their luggage. When the luggage was searched they found Al Qaeda documents and false ID's in their luggage.

I have never heard this story before.

I am watching the same thing and heard the same thing and never heard that either

147 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:28:42pm

re: #140 song_and_dance_man

That is news to me, but I have read that Atta's list of scheduled hijackers shows a few are still out there.

148 Dianna  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:28:44pm

re: #137 pat

Snickering sounds on this side of the screen!

149 pat  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:29:04pm

re: #146 Nascar70

WOW!

150 Dublin(CA)Dude  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:29:13pm

re: #141 cbinflux

Interesting, I hadn't heard that. I see the cardiologist on Thursday, will bring the topic up with him. Thanks for the heads up.

151 ChildOfMary  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:29:33pm

Speaking of those who lost their lives, he says:

We miss them not because they are gone but because they were here.

What the hell does that mean.

(I think my headache is getting worse, must stop listening to fools).

152 Flying Dutchman  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:30:30pm

Freedom in danger in Europe.

Hi all,

Ok, nothing new except now the Belgian police beats elected UE representatives protesting against islamization of Europe...

I translated / subtitled the video as well as I could...

Enjoy !

153 Dublin(CA)Dude  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:31:07pm

re: #143 NY Nana

Thanks for the good wishes!

154 Dianna  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:31:33pm

re: #151 ChildOfMary

It means precisely nothing. It's a windy platitude, which, like a lot of things, sounds deep until you try to think about it. And it's not like zen, no matter what they try to tell you.

155 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:31:48pm

re: #151 ChildOfMary

The Whiskey Speech took bolder stands. Jeesh!

156 squarepeg  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:31:50pm

I can't stand to watch idiots like those two governors, so I'm going to take the liberty of condemning them sight unseen.

Anyway, I'm back from Disneyland. There was a nice little commemoration at 4:30 p.m., the time at which they customarily do their Flag Retreat. Disneyland does bill itself as "The Happiest Place on Earth" so it was celebratory (of America and freedom) as much as solemn. I wasn't the only one hiding a few tears behind their Foster Grants.

I will commemorate 9/11 EVERY year for the rest of my life. Anyone who's in my life will get dragged along.

157 realwest  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:33:22pm

re: #134 cbinflux I assume you're referring to the Bank of America's unbelievablly stupid idea to allow peope (read: illegal immigrants) to obtain credit cards without SSN's. I'm told by folks fairly high up in BoA that those credit cards are no longer being offered; no credit history, no credit card.

158 Killer Tomato  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:34:05pm

re: #151 ChildOfMary

Well if they hadn't been here, we wouldn't be able to miss them.
Of course, they also have to be gone for us to miss them.
So I suppose they had to have been here but now be gone in order for us to miss them.
gack
(it's all I can do to live in these parts and not go completely insane)

159 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:34:29pm

If we'd only understood Jeffrey Dahmer, no doubt he wouldn't have cooked all those young gay boys on his stove.

160 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:34:41pm

re: #157 realwest

No sir, I'm referring to home loans, nationwide, and they advertise "NO SSN needed".

161 yenta-fada  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:34:51pm

#106 Dianna


"The sub-prime meltdown isn't as bad as people are being told it is."
I'm going to go with realwest on this. The Fed is frozen in the headlights. If they raise interest rates, it tanks the stock market and slows down the economy. If they lower interest rates, the dollar becomes a less competitive trading currency and goes down in value.

This situation has been building for years and this is the moment of truth the Fed has been avoiding. Also the CDO's are just the tip of the iceberg. Those loans have been re-packaged and sold all over the world. They are trying to prevent two banks from going under in Germany. That's just fact, however nobody wants to talk about it because it's boring and somewhat technical. I back my savings with gold, not a printing press like the Fed
does. Really, I'm not trying to argue with you. I just get upset that people are not being warned about all of the things that the housing market and mortgages are connected to. Health IS wealth too!

162 DesertSage  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:35:07pm

Yup, those wonderful Democrats who control congress aren't going to be happy until they completely destroy the legislative branch of government. They're aiming for an all time historical low:

President Bush Job Approval:
Approve / 32.7%
Disapprove / 61.0%
Spread - 28.3%
___

Congressional Job Approval:
Approve / →→21.5%←←
Disapprove / →→66.8%←←
Spread - 45.3%

How low can they go?

[Link: realclearpolitics.com...]

163 joemama  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:35:11pm

What we have here is: Failure...to-communicate.

CHL

164 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:35:45pm

re: #158 Killer Tomato

CZ was here; I won't miss him.

//Does that make me a bad Lizard?//

165 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:35:47pm
166 ChildOfMary  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:36:06pm

re: #152 Flying Dutchman

Thanks for your work to translate this.

167 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:36:16pm

re: #163 joemama

Awesome, life-lessons movie!

168 Dublin(CA)Dude  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:36:28pm

To repeat something I posted on an earlier dead thread:

Before this day ends, I wish to offer a prayer in memory of all who perished on 9/11/01 and in honor of all our men and women at arms; your profession is a noble one.

May God guide this great nation through its dark hours and help it emerge from the storm stronger and worthier.

We are a kind people, but a just people. Justice demands that the innocent dead be avenged; the evil that killed them must be eliminated.

May God bless America.

Never Forget, Never Forgive, Never Submit.

Brian, you would be as proud of your children as they are of you.

169 Nascar70  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:37:04pm

re: #156 squarepeg

I can't stand to watch idiots like those two governors, so I'm going to take the liberty of condemning them sight unseen.

Anyway, I'm back from Disneyland. There was a nice little commemoration at 4:30 p.m., the time at which they customarily do their Flag Retreat. Disneyland does bill itself as "The Happiest Place on Earth" so it was celebratory (of America and freedom) as much as solemn. I wasn't the only one hiding a few tears behind their Foster Grants.

I will commemorate 9/11 EVERY year for the rest of my life. Anyone who's in my life will get dragged along.

I think every person that has our country's best wishes in mind will commemorate 9-11 every year for the rest of their lives. except those dorks that belong the the truther movement

170 squarepeg  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:37:19pm

re: #131 NY Nana

I'll take the one on Fred Thompson.

I really loathe people who want it both ways on religion. "America needs a godly man like me, although I don't go to church. I have people who do that for me. You're one of them."

171 Carridine  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:37:28pm

re: #156 squarepeg

And, as Captain Miller urges Private Ryan at the end of the film,

"Deserve this!"

When we live the Good Life, the American Way, we honor and commemorate 9/11 and ALL OTHER American heroes & heroines, every day!

172 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:38:48pm
173 Dianna  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:38:49pm

re: #161 yenta-fada

I am aware of all that; and yes, the consequences are going to be long-term negatives.

But the treasury's doing some very interesting things. The fed will only move publicly, but the treasury is quietly moving. I'm not sure I entirely approve of some of it.

The financial pages are the first things I read in the mornings, even before my e-mail and LGF.

174 Killer Tomato  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:39:11pm

re: #164 cbinflux

Of course not. Just means you're suffering from a failure of human understanding. Or you got that right brain thing going. Or something.

175 Nascar70  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:39:54pm

re: #168 Dublin(CA)Dude

To repeat something I posted on an earlier dead thread:

Before this day ends, I wish to offer a prayer in memory of all who perished on 9/11/01 and in honor of all our men and women at arms; your profession is a noble one.

May God guide this great nation through its dark hours and help it emerge from the storm stronger and worthier.

We are a kind people, but a just people. Justice demands that the innocent dead be avenged; the evil that killed them must be eliminated.

May God bless America.

Never Forget, Never Forgive, Never Submit.

that I will 2nd

176 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:40:23pm

re: #160 cbinflux
No SSN, No Visa, No Problemo
[Link: search.yahoo.com...]

Subdivisionsare filling up with undocumented folks who can default and disappear.

177 NY Nana  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:40:34pm

re: #133 Dublin(CA)Dude

Ouch! I have a brutal family history on my maternal side..and am a Type 2 diabetic who is disabled and can't really exercise. I am on meds for cholesterol and triglyceride control, and the numbers are good. My paternal side? Superb circulatory systems, but Ca of the pancreas,which is a higher risk for diabetics. My Dad zt'l died of it, and had been misdiagnosed as a diabetic at the Joslin, in Boston...it would not have made that much difference, though, if it had been diagnosed earlier, sadly.

One of my cousins zt'l was an MD, as is his wife, and she advised me years ago that a family medical history is a must-have. I am so glad I took her advise, but did find out that if you shake my family tree, diabetics will come falling out...after I called all my cousins to tell me that I was a diabetic. I knew some relatives had it, but was flabbergasted to find out how many had it, and never said a word..stigma attached. I am very in your face about it, though. And our 4 grown kids sadly are not as concerned as they should be, for themselves, with 2 diabetic parents. 3 are now in their 40's, and 1 is 35. It is time to really get serious on their part.

Stay well!

178 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:40:35pm
179 Dianna  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:40:40pm

re: #168 Dublin(CA)Dude

Agreed.

180 Highrise  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:41:20pm
“Among many other things, 9/11 was a failure of human understanding,” Patrick said. “It was a mean and nasty and bitter attack on the United States. But it was also a failure of human beings to understand each other, to learn to love each other.”

failure...mean, nasty, bitter attack 9/11...understand each other, love each other?

What interesting PC word choices.

*failure - failure on our part to realize what type of beast we are dealing with. Failure on a lot of people's parts to shield the public from the horrors that have been going on for decades over there. Failure on our schools and gov't for not teaching the right history so that it gives kids a basis to understand bad regimes when they see them. OH yeah, I see failures all right, just not exactly YOUR type, mr. governor. Let's not mix up the word failure with who actually perpetrated the massacre on our country domestic and foreign.

*mean, nasty, bitter attack 9/11 - interesting choice of words. I prefer the word massacre myself. That was no mere attack, that was a planned, cold, caluculating, ideological based massacre. And we are FAR from the only victims of these types of barbarians. You are offensive in even calling it an attack as an elected official that is suppose to guard your citizens from enemies.

*understand each other - The only understanding we need to have is to understand our terrorist enemy is not one that can be reasoned with. Their ideology comes from the koran and mo. They will not change if we throw money at them, cuddle them, and call them george. Just ask the people that died in the beslan massacre there, chief. Oh excuse me, the biggest men were put into another room, lined up and shot, and the children were raped with guns and forced to use their urine and other's urine in order to stay alive...capturing it in ...and most are dead...damn I'm so mad..at your ignorance, mr. governor.

*love each other - I am NOT commanded to LOVE evil. I am NOT commanded to love barbarians who don't ask for it nor are interested in forgiveness. Tell you what, how about you first. Go live among the barbarians as a westerner and get back to us on how that works out...preferrably either iran or pakistan.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

181 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:41:50pm

re: #31 Andy Dufresne

I know Deval Patrick very well, having worked for one of his opponents last year. These comments are exactly the type of thing he says all the time. Instead of proffering ideas or plans, he likes to pontificate about the "politics of hope." So, basically, he's a regular ultra liberal Massachusetts politician.

Yup, he's a typical (M)assachusetts politician. Just goes you can fool enough of the people long enough to get elected. Oh, wait, he just had to fool moonbats. I live in MA, but wasn't fooled.

As for Mitt, he did absolutely nothing except start running for president and lose more support for the Mass GOP

182 NY Nana  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:41:56pm

re: #141 cbinflux

Thanks, also, from me, for the heads up!

183 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:42:10pm

re: #178 song_and_dance_man

Red Ties are scanning your files, and right-brain.

184 Dianna  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:42:32pm

Time for dog walking and bed.

Take care, folks.

185 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:42:50pm

A "failure of human understanding"? Why- that's islam from beginning to end- from The Opening to The People the koran is nothing but a failure of human understanding.

186 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:42:51pm

re: #182 NY Nana
De nada. Put a good word in with Cattt for me.

187 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:43:30pm
188 Dublin(CA)Dude  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:44:28pm

re: #180 Highrise

Right on target. Well said.

189 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:44:34pm

re: #187 song_and_dance_man

It's too late for you. Just take the extra wimmin'; it's yer only chance.

190 squarepeg  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:44:59pm

re: #171 Carridine

When we live the Good Life, the American Way, we honor and commemorate 9/11 and ALL OTHER American heroes & heroines, every day!

Very true! Work hard, do what your mother says, get an education, give what you can to charity, support American ideals, and never stop improving your mind. It's the American way!

191 Killer Tomato  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:45:30pm

re: #180 Highrise

mean, nasty, bitter ...understand each other, love each other


It would seem that everything he thinks he needs to know about being Governor he learned in kindergarten.

192 ChenZhen  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:45:36pm

re: #185 Sharmuta

Hey Sharm, I sent you an email.

re: #186 cbinflux

Thanks for pimping my blog today!

193 DesertSage  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:45:49pm

re: #172 song_and_dance_man

The last I checked, Harry Reid's approval was hovering around 19%.
The guy is just creepy.

194 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:46:08pm
195 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:46:12pm
196 ChildOfMary  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:46:54pm

Following are the comments from Neil Cavuto at the end of his show on Fox News today:

Sometimes numbers matter. But I guess being the different kind of business geek I am, six years later, they're not the numbers you would think.

They're the numbers that most stick with me. Actually, haunt me.

Numbers like 3,051. The number of children who lost a mom or dad that day.

Or like 1,609. The number of people who lost a spouse or girlfriend or boyfriend that day.

Or 115. The number of nations whose citizens died in those attacks. Or 343. The number of firefighters killed. Or 23, the number of police who died. Or 37, the number of Port Authority police who died.

I could go on, and talk about the 289 bodies found intact, and the 19,858 body parts found, clearly not intact.

I could mention the more than 1,700 families who got no remains.

I could talk about the 658 lives lost at one Wall Street firm, Cantor Fitzgerald.

Or that most who died that day were younger than 39 years old.

I could talk about dads who never got to see their kids born. And kids who will only know those dads in pictures.

Much is made in my business of markets that came back, but barely a mention of souls left empty.

Time is good for markets. I'm not so sure it's always good for us.

Over time, numbers can tell us how far we've come.

I hope they never gloss over how much we've lost.

197 Yankee Division Son  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:47:02pm

Ah the Governor of the great state of Massachusetts, how can I begin to explain to LGF'ers about my states' top man, Deval the Cadillac of Governors Patrick - D...

The man who, while campaigning for the office, arrived at many campaign stops in a Toyota Prius, promising all state vehicles would be hybrids if he was elected. Then, once elected, leased a $1,2oo.00/month Cadillac DTS for his use on the taxpayer's tab.

The man who spent another 10,000.00 of the taxpayer's money for office furnishings immediately after taking office, and 8,000.00 of that was for French drapes, for one window. His excuse? The previous Governor had used his own furnishings, so they had to be replaced.

A man who, after apx. 6 months in office, took a four-week vacation, and couldn't even be bothered to cut his vacation a few days short and return to Boston from his multi-million dollar mansion in the berkshires when two firefighters died doing what firefighters do.

Our previous Governor, Mitt Romney -R, rode in a state police issue Ford LTD during his tenure in office.

Mitt Romney -R also made a campaign promise that he'd never take a salary if elected. he kept that promise, he never did.

So there you have it, Deval Patrick - D The Cadillac of Governors... a heck of a guy. Together we can!

198 tokyobk  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:47:03pm

For those who care, if any one:

Prime minister of Japan Abe will resign in 15 minutes.

199 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:47:05pm

re: #192 ChenZhen

De nada; special request.

200 Racer X  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:47:19pm

On 9/11/2001 many innocent people lost their lives at the hands of radical muslims. My heart goes out to the families of the victims.

On 9/12/2001 many started to learn about islam, and continue to do so.

I have yet to see any clear evidence that islam is a peaceful religion. I see very little talk, mostly rhetoric, and even less action when it comes to helping to bring peace to the world. I see brutality (muslim vs. muslim vs. kaffir violence), torture (FGM), lies and deceit.

You would think such a large, powerful religion would have more of a positive impact on the world. Where are the peaceful signs of islam? Where is the enlightenment? Charity? Spirituality? Good will?

Mr. muslim: show me.

On 9/11/2001 islam left a bad taste, and it is still there. And islam has been doing nothing to make the bad taste go away. It only gets worse.


/spit.

201 yenta-fada  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:47:30pm

#173 Dianna
Re:

" But the treasury's doing some very interesting things. The fed will only move publicly, but the treasury is quietly moving. I'm not sure I entirely approve of some of it.

The financial pages are the first things I read in the mornings, even before my e-mail and LGF."

I'm glad you are paying attention. The treasury creates money by issuing bonds which it sells to all of us and other nations. The Chinese are holding up those bonds for now. However, they are slowly diversifying out of the dollar by buying up resource companies around the world. The Islamic war is a war on the dollar as much as it is on anything else. There are very few real currencies out there: oil, drugs, gold, arms, food, water...all commodities and all, in the longish run much more valuable than paper currencies which can (a la Argentina and South Korea) change overnight.
Topic I get obsessed about. Hope you didn't mind.

202 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:47:39pm

Hey Sharm, give CZ my regards!

All the best!

203 DesertSage  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:47:44pm

Don't fall for it Sharmuta!

Remember...you are the Bomb™!

204 Highrise  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:47:49pm

re: #198 tokyobk

For those who care, if any one:

Prime minister of Japan Abe will resign in 15 minutes.

why?

205 JWM  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:47:57pm

re: #77 Dublin(CA)Dude

Same story 10/23/06 for me. Except I walked in to the E-room, and collapsed at the desk. (hadd'a make a good show of it, ya know?) ;) The procedure itself is so deceptively simple. Painless, and quicker than a trip to the dentist. Be aware that the whole experience that you went through will take some time to digest. You will be in for some changes, and not just 'take the pills, and watch your diet.'
All your time now is a gift. You're in extra innings, so to speak. Like I said, it will take a while for the truth of that to fully sink in. A good spiritual grounding helps- but I don't know where you're coming from in that regard, so I'll leave it at that. Take care.
PS: the strength will come back. I worked moving furniture, pouring concrete, and digging out sprinkler lines all summer. It was fun

JWM

206 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:48:30pm

re: #198 tokyobk

For those who care, if any one:

Prime minister of Japan Abe will resign in 15 minutes.

holy sons of nippon!

207 opilio  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:48:40pm

OT: A glimpse into the psyche of a "progressive":

I gave up on humanity as a positive force in the world a long time ago, and have been waiting eagerly for nature to exterminate us.

we are like yeast in a fermenter, gobbling the sugar as fast as we can while drowning in our own alcoholic excrement.

The sooner we're wiped out as a species, or at least cut down to a much more manageable population, the better the world is.

If that makes me a misanthrope, so be it.

from a Global Warming thread over at dKos. Wow. He should be a motivational speaker.

208 Dublin(CA)Dude  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:50:00pm

re: #196 ChildOfMary

Thanks for the quote, I miss seeing Neil because I'm usually at work, but he's always been a sharp guy, and apparently, he still is.

209 squarepeg  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:50:49pm

re: #193 DesertSage

Sage, have you skipped over to DKos and beheld the rants about "capitulation"? The kossacks have made the shocking discovery that their party "leadership" is a bunch of sheep. Imagine! The Democrats betrayed them out of gutless self-interest!

210 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:50:54pm


DON'T BLAME ME
I VOTED FOR MUFFY

211 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:51:24pm
212 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:51:41pm

re: #209 squarepeg

Only Cindy/Rosie/Baba/MoveOn can save them!

213 sheik yer'mami  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:52:15pm

Understanding? Me thinks you no understand:

Me thinks you cry for mama when Musulman cutta yor head off...

What a pethetic PoS!

[Link: sheikyermami.com...]

214 Killer Tomato  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:52:31pm

re: #207 opilio

Obviously not a very strongly held conviction, or s/he would've already committed suicide.

215 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:53:26pm

They don't understand why we won't just die.

216 realwest  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:53:42pm

re: #138 Dianna Hum, so you would appear to agree with me re: lenders have no (or very little cash) to lend to anyone!
I haven't read Megan McCardle's article, I'm afraid. I'm basing a great deal of my less than optimistic outlook on over 35 years of experience in the real estate field; I've suffered through three MAJOR real estate recessions: the mid 70's due to OPEC's fuel embargo; the later half of the 80's due to, among other things, Reagan's Tax revolution ; and the S&L and Savings Bank crisis of the early 90's when I was the partner in charge of most of the FDIC and RTC's legal activities in New York taking over over-extended (to say the least) S&L's and Savings Banks and then selling off their assets - all of their assets, to try to ease the squeeze on the FSLIC and FDIC insurance programs.
They all had ONE thing in common - a shortgage of investors willing to inject private cash into the system, resulting in a credit crunch which ruined many developers and homowner's who were used to refinancing their mortgage debt when it became due and suddenly, their mortgage debts have or are starting to come due (or the Interest Only borrowers are seeing the principal payments at fairly steep rates ) and there is no money available for refinancing.
FWLIT, I think this is a good thing, as it will deter speculators and "flippers" from being in the market and producing truly ridiculous "valauations" of property.

217 NY Nana  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:54:34pm

re: #186 cbinflux

Does Cattt need a good word? I must have missed something. I haven't got a bad word to say about you.

218 squarepeg  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:54:37pm

re: #198 tokyobk

tokyo, what is the greatest significance of Abe's resignation in your or general opinion?

219 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:54:43pm
220 Irene NYC  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:54:52pm

OMG, realwest, ya still here?

HI!

221 DesertSage  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:55:02pm

re: #209 squarepeg

I try to stay away from Kos, I only read them when Killgore posts something stupid that they said.
Kos Kiddies (and Leftists in general) are not "progressive" as they have labeled themselves. Lefty hasn't 'progressed' in over a half century.

Plus, the last time I went over there I had to wash my brain out with bleach.

222 Dublin(CA)Dude  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:55:08pm

re: #205 JWM

You make an interesting point. Right now, I don't think I'm taking it very seriously because nothing was particularly painful, and the cure seemed amazingly simple. As you said, no pain, 45 minutes in and out. I actually remarked to my doctor today that I wished it had been more serious so I would take it more seriously. Intellectually, I understand the implications, but in actuality, it really hasn't sunk in yet. And being able to go back to work in just a couple of days, and feeling better now than I have in months, I'm still having trouble thinking seriously about it. I hope that changes with time.

223 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:56:07pm

re: #203 DesertSage

No Sage- you are the Bomb™!

224 JWM  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:56:46pm

Oh, and yeah we are all part of the same story- just like the Elves and the Orcs.

JWM

225 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:56:46pm
226 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:56:50pm

Whats nuts is not that the libs spout this nonsense.,,,
Whats nuts is that the voters trust the lives of their children to these fence posts by voting them in office.

227 marwan's daughter  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:57:47pm

What a (M)asshole. He just doesn't get it. He just cannot identify evil. Why, why, why?

228 Highrise  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:58:12pm

I'm so angry right now...I can't even express it really...the whole 9/11 images I watched happen IN REAL TIME on tv of people jumping out of too high of a building and I knew they fell to their death...watching those towers come down...hearing glenn beck's update on the REAL beslan massacre and what details our gov't and russia kept from people...those HORRIBLE HORRIBLE details...


People NEED to know this stuff.

DAMN YOU media...damn you to HELL for keeping this stuff from the public.

Bless YOU Charles! This is why I defend people like YOU Charles...I'm so mad at this stuff going on and it's people like YOU and Malkin, and Hot air, and Spencer and others that are doing their best to expose it. Charles, YOU are the bomb, your blog is THE bomb. That is the truth. That is why your blog is worth defending.

I'm hoping to calm down here...glenn beck was too much tonight...I asked my husband to watch this week's glenn beck with me...he tried to hide his own distress I could tell...on what barbarians we face. Glenn beck is just amazing..bless him. God is using him, he's the lone voice on tv atm exposing this.

Righteous anger and hate is healthy..it's a survival mechanism deep within us against Evil.

229 tblot  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:58:47pm

re: #168 Dublin(CA)Dude

perfect

230 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:58:48pm
231 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:58:48pm
“Among many other things, 9/11 was a failure of human understanding,” Patrick said. “It was a mean and nasty and bitter attack on the United States. But it was also a failure of human beings to understand each other, to learn to love each other.”

Ah, the joys of reductionism. "Mean", "nasty", and "bitter" are words used to describe Keith Olbermann's special comments, not acts of pre-meditated mass murder.

If people are to be taught to remember 9/11 as a "failure of human understanding", I'd rather they forget it altogether.

232 NY Nana  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:59:49pm

re: #203 DesertSage

Don't fall for it Sharmuta!

Remember...you are the Bomb™!

re: #223 Sharmuta

re: #203 DesertSage

No Sage- you are the Bomb™!

Now cut that out! You are both the Bomb™! Shees.

233 squarepeg  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 9:59:53pm

re: #221 DesertSage

Entirely understandable. One day the train wreck will cease to fascinate me.

234 jdow-antijihad  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:00:05pm

9/11 was a failure of human understanding but more a failure of acceptance. The Mohammedans utterly failed to understand or accept our society. They do understand their Qur'an. It orders them NOT to seek understanding with the infidels. Instead it orders them to destroy the infidels who are not "convenient" to have around and pay taxes to support the indolent Mohammedans.

I understand the Mohammedans all too well. Their holy book is a self-contradictory ball of disjointed nonsense which only makes sense with 2.106's principle of abrogation. (That's the one that declares the good Mohammedan should forget the old declarations, the new declarations are better.)

All they undestand is that I exist. And as such I must cease to exist, for I shall surely NEVER pay them jizyah and submit to them except as a sham before I chew off the private parts of at least one of them.

I will NOT submit.

{^_^}

235 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:00:36pm

re: #216 realwest


The entire mortgage broker end of the market has been pushing bad paper for years, and now its is coming back to bitethe rest of us in the ass.
They have been pushing for inflated appraisals for years now.
Over lending on value to folks who are over extended. Since they have no liability if a loan goes belly up they could care less if they are writing bad paper. Just as long as they get their money at closing.

236 least  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:01:45pm

re: #66 Hucbald

NY Mayor Bloomberg has been on my mind all freakin' day since I read the following from the NYT (spit) coverage (ha!) of today's 9/11 remembrance:

. . . Mr. Bloomberg, who spurns dwelling on the past and prefers to keep his emotions to himself, has been pushing the city from the start to move beyond its tragedy. Early on, he championed building schools and housing at ground zero and suggested that the soaring memorial envisioned by his predecessor, Rudolph W. Giuliani, would turn it into “a cemetery” and drive residents and businesses away.

Yes, it's much better to build schools and housing over the site of some 3000 deaths.
You're right Mike, we must all Move-On get over it.
Maroon!
(mega-spit)

237 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:02:03pm

Mo' blog-pimping
LGF Watch
ChenZhen said...
I'm not so sure about that Muslim slaves stuff. What did they say recently? 90 guns for every 100 Americans?

I think the main thing we have to fear is each other.

8/30/2007 10:41:00 PM

238 DesertSage  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:02:23pm

re: #228 Highrise

It's cool that you need to let out your anger Highrise, that's what we're here for.

And yes, Charles and this blog are very much worth defending...because he "gets it". And so do many of the people here.

239 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:03:03pm
240 ChildOfMary  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:03:09pm

re: #228 Highrise

I'm hoping to calm down here...glenn beck was too much tonight...I asked my husband to watch this week's glenn beck with me...he tried to hide his own distress I could tell...on what barbarians we face. Glenn beck is just amazing..bless him. God is using him, he's the lone voice on tv atm exposing this.

Indeed, Glenn is amazing -- he's doing a great job of making those who watch him aware. Now we must make others aware, as many as we can, so they will do the same.

241 astronmr20  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:03:51pm

Whisket Tango Foxtrot?


Out of all of the emotions I have each 9/11 (also my birthday), anger was the the one I felt the least today... until I read this article.

242 tokyobk  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:05:26pm

To those who asked, imo:

In general, unlike Koizumi, Abe came into office owing a lot of people a lot of things. Therefore he had to appoint a lot of hacks to positions to which they were horribly suited. Therefore there were more than the usual resignations and even reappointments led to resignations. No cabinet or ministry level stability which is a very key indicator for the Japanese who like stability in all things.

Unfortunately, one of the major issues, indeed the last straw related to our number one issue which is that Abe felt it was vital that Japan keep its promise to the world, frankly to the US, to refuel tankers in the Indian ocean and the gulf as support to the war against terror. Abe said so much this week, that if he was not able to keep this promise he would quit. That made him look like a lap dog for Bush in the eyes of the press and many people here.

I hear that Koizumi wants a comeback.

Yen shorters will enjoy a temporary dip.

243 meMarc  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:05:35pm
244 Dublin(CA)Dude  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:05:42pm

Good night to all. Remember those who left us on 9/11. And remember who took them from us.

245 Racer X  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:07:34pm

re: #241 astronmr20

Happy Birthday!

Hope you had a cold beverage and a great meal today!

246 NY Nana  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:09:08pm

re: #170 squarepeg

I agree with you..it is very dishonest. And no, he can't have it both ways. For some reason, this reminds me of Skerry Kerry.

'Don't do as I do, do as I say'? No, that does not work.

247 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:10:24pm

re: #239 song_and_dance_man

[Link: www.blogger.com...]

ChenZhen said...
I'm not so sure about that Muslim slaves stuff. What did they say recently? 90 guns for every 100 Americans?

I think the main thing we have to fear is each other.

8/30/2007 10:41:00 PM

248 saltmarsh  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:10:36pm

islam is a perfidious pigshit cult - understand that.

249 astronmr20  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:10:58pm

re: #245 Racer X

re: #241 astronmr20

Happy Birthday!

Hope you had a cold beverage and a great meal today!

Thanks.
That I did.. and I am blessed for it.

For I have been to south asia, and I know full well what the median standard of living is like in the rest of the world.

Tonight, I did not think twice to go shopping and buy myself a sushi grade tuna steak, cook it with pepper and hot mango chutney, and wash it down with a Guiness. I know that our system of OPEN Idealogy and economic trade.. our system of freedom, allowed me to do so... and I enjoyed every bite and swig.

God bless America.

250 opilio  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:11:48pm

re: #230 song_and_dance_man

re: #207 opilio


OT: A glimpse into the psyche of a "progressive":
...



Self hatred is nothing new for the left.

I am repeatedly astonished by the depth of the misery, despair, rage, and hysteria they regurgitate to one another over there. Like squarepeg said upthread in #233: "One day the train wreck will cease to fascinate me."

251 realwest  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:12:27pm

re: #176 cbinflux One of the largest of these "lenders" was StateStreet Mortgages (not a bank) who would loan if you didn't have an SSN, but did have an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number - in other words, had some history of pay US personal income taxes. No ITIN or no SSN, then no loan.
And, btw, for reasons I alluded to above, it's increasingly difficult for anyone to get a mortgage loan these days, due to the credit crunch on the primary lenders; just very little cash available for anyone to get a mortgage or get their current mortgage(s) refinanced.

252 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:12:32pm
253 NY Nana  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:13:16pm

re: #236 least

I loathe him. He has a rock where his heart should be, and is a pretend Republican. He is the one who pimped the madrassa in Brooklyn, wants congestion parking for NYC that would be horrific, and also demand money from people in the suburbs and NJ...

He has been despicable from Day One re 9/11.

254 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:14:56pm
255 Killer Tomato  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:15:49pm
What did they say recently? 90 guns for every 100 Americans?


When I saw that statistic the other day my first thought was "OK - who's been slacking off?"

256 Carridine  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:15:59pm

re: #237 cbinflux

That link does NOT go to LGF-Watch, Bud...

Some directory page of links, CB...

257 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:16:12pm

re: #252 song_and_dance_man

Chen is posting on LGF Watch?

258 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:16:35pm
259 realwest  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:17:08pm

RE: Mortgage Lending today:

Incomes Lagging Behind Home Values
WASHINGTON - An Associated Press analysis of new census data provides insight into the reasons for the slumping housing market: Since 1990, homeowners have faced a growing gap between their incomes and the price of their homes.

The widening gap in all but a handful of the nation's 500 largest cities helped make the recent boom in housing prices unsustainable, according to analysts. The rising prices were fueled largely by low interest rates and risky borrowing, rather than increasing incomes.


"We had an artificial economy," said Brad Geisen, founder of Foreclosure.com, a Web site that lists foreclosure properties. "There was all this wealth created in real estate, and it wasn't really created."

Nationally, the median household income grew by about 60 percent from 1990 to 2006, roughly matching inflation. At the same time, the median home value - the point at which half were more and half were less - more than doubled, to $185,200.

The gap between incomes and home values was even bigger in many cities.

For example, incomes in Miami roughly kept pace with inflation - meaning they were effectively stagnant - while the median home value quadrupled, to $315,900. In places such as Bend, Ore., and North Las Vegas, Nev., incomes about doubled, but home values increased fivefold.

Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com, likened the current housing market to the dot-com boom and bust a few years ago, when stock prices for many high tech companies soared - before some of them ever turned a profit - and then crashed.

"The parallels are quite similar," Zandi said.

The Census Bureau on Wednesday released 2006 housing data for every state, county, metro area and city with a population of at least 65,000. Income data were released last month.

Together, the figures provide a snapshot of the nation's economy just as housing prices were peaking in many areas. Since then, housing prices have started to tumble in many markets, fueled by a crisis in the subprime loan market and dwindling credit even for some wealthier borrowers.

[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]

260 astronmr20  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:17:41pm

re: #255 Killer Tomato

What did they say recently? 90 guns for every 100 Americans?

When I saw that statistic the other day my first thought was "OK - who's been slacking off?"

That's a silly statistic, and does not necessarily say much. It makes the reader assume that 90 percent of Americans may be armed, which is not the case.

Fact is, I have most of them (:

261 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:17:44pm

re: #252 song_and_dance_man
It is shocking given his and his stated distaste for ad hominem.

Legalize said...
Wow, that woman on the right does not look well.

8/29/2007 02:02:00 PM

Anonymous said...
Wow. That guy needs to get out in the sun and back on his bicycle.

Chuckles isn't looking too healthy.

8/29/2007 02:10:00 PM

Musashi said...
A pair of m&m's.

8/30/2007 03:42:00 AM

xylonhexes said...
What are you gonna do when CAIR and KOS shut down Charles for good?

CZ, like LGF Witchhunt view most here as rubes and racists. Why are so many here yukking it up with scoundrel?! Would you have such an ungrateful, backstabbing guest back in your home?!

262 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:19:14pm
I'm not so sure about that Muslim slaves stuff.

You know, Chen- I'd like to say something on this. Please review your own comments and see for yourself- slavery was never denied. It is not hara'am, Chen- period. No matter how they sugar-coat it, as he tried with the slavery and surah 4:34, there is no getting around it. Slavery is halal. Wife hitting is halal. Period.

263 BLBfootballs  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:19:30pm
Mass. Governor: 9/11 Was a 'Failure of Human Understanding'

This is all so, uhmmm...beautiful. Or, er, something...

264 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:19:37pm
265 Killer Tomato  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:21:07pm

re: #260 astronmr20

That'll make birthday present shopping easy then. I'll just get you any old ammo - it'll be sure to fit something you have!

266 Racer X  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:21:33pm

re: #260 astronmr20

What did they say recently? 90 guns for every 100 Americans?

When I saw that statistic the other day my first thought was "OK - who's been slacking off?"
That's a silly statistic, and does not necessarily say much. It makes the reader assume that 90 percent of Americans may be armed, which is not the case.

Fact is, I have most of them (:

LOL!


"Guns don't kill people, I do!"

267 zombie  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:21:41pm

re: #264 song_and_dance_man

We are still awaiting your vote on the dictionary! You're the last hold-out.

268 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:22:05pm
269 Highrise  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:22:11pm

re: #257 hous bin pharteen

re: #252 song_and_dance_man

Chen is posting on LGF Watch?

He posted once that I saw..I haven't gone back..because I hate that place. It was a thread making fun of Charles...but when has that stopped the little pecker. chenzhen has been disingenuous for a long time...he also baited charles here and then went back to his own blog and dissed charles..completely twisting his words. I took nearly 2 hours to read through EVERYTHING and came to the conclusion that chen is nothing but an self serving moby that will agree at times just enough to keep his job here...to harass...then disagree to keep people in circles. That isn't just to insult him..it really is what I saw when I read through it all..and I hope people get the link (I refuse to go to his blog) and read for themselves. I think sage may have it.

I hate people who come here, spark fights, then go back to their blog to *finish the conversation off*.

It's disingenuous.

270 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:22:32pm
271 NY Nana  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:22:59pm

re: #79 ctrlL

Hang in there...you are needed to make sense..it will confuse people.

Sad re NH. It used to be sane until the same lefties who despoil MA moved there as Taxachusetts was so damned expensive.

272 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:23:26pm

re: #264 song_and_dance_man

[Link: lgfwatch.blogspot.com...]

273 zombie  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:23:42pm

Well, whaddya know -- Fidel Castro joins the Truther movement! :

Cuban leader claims U.S. misled world over Sept. 11 attacks

Cuban leader Fidel Castro claimed Tuesday the U.S. government had misinformed the world about the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States six years ago.

Castro said in an article read by a Cuban television anchor that there was "deliberate misinformation" about the attacks.

He said the Pentagon was struck by a rocket, not a plane, because only a projectile could have caused the geometrically round hole in the building.

"We were fooled like everyone else on the planet," he said.

Fidel Castro says U.S. fooled world over 9/11

HAVANA (Reuters) - Ailing Cuban leader Fidel Castro said the U.S. government misinformed Americans and the world about 9/11, echoing conspiracy theories about the terror attacks against the United States six years ago.
In an essay read by a Cuban television presenter on Tuesday night, Castro said the Pentagon was hit by a rocket, not a plane, because no traces were found of its passengers.
"Today one knows there was deliberate misinformation," wrote Castro, who has not appeared in public since July of 2006 when life-threatening surgery for a secret illness forced him to hand over power to his brother Raul Castro.
"Studying the impact of planes, similar to those that hit the Twin Towers, that had accidentally fallen on densely populated cities, one concludes that it was not a plane that crashed into the Pentagon," Castro said.
"Only a projectile could have caused the geometrically round hole that allegedly was made by the plane," he said.
"We were fooled like the rest of the planet's inhabitants," he wrote.
Castro said the truth behind the September 11 attacks with hijacked planes that killed nearly 3,000 people will probably never be known.
Castro's 4,256-word essay made no mention of Osama bin Laden and his militant Islamist al Qaeda network behind the attacks on New York's World Trade Center and Washington.

274 zombie  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:24:20pm

re: #270 song_and_dance_man

Check your emails. There's no mention of it on the site.

The email is from 4 or 5 days ago, by now.

275 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:24:44pm

re: #264 song_and_dance_man

Not suprised.
He is dense as a fence post but insults us elsewhere.

I think many hoped he had a chance of wising up.
He does not have enough common sense or logic to do that.
He is only 1/2 as smart as he thinks he is.

276 zombie  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:26:11pm

re: #270 song_and_dance_man

I just resent the email. Check your in-box now.

277 Racer X  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:26:25pm

re: #273 zombie

Fidel Castro says U.S. fooled world over 9/11

Dead can talk?

278 ChildOfMary  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:26:39pm

re: #262 Sharmuta

I'm not so sure about that Muslim slaves stuff.

You know, Chen- I'd like to say something on this. Please review your own comments and see for yourself- slavery was never denied. It is not hara'am, Chen- period. No matter how they sugar-coat it, as he tried with the slavery and surah 4:34, there is no getting around it. Slavery is halal. Wife hitting is halal. Period.

Right, Sharmuta -- just read this tonight, talks of slavery, taxes, and other ways Muslims have lived off their inferiors throughout the centuries:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/018 087.php#more

Scroll up a short ways for the beginning of the article.

279 ChenZhen  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:27:04pm

re: #262 Sharmuta

I'm not so sure about that Muslim slaves stuff.

You know, Chen- I'd like to say something on this. Please review your own comments and see for yourself- slavery was never denied. It is not hara'am, Chen- period. No matter how they sugar-coat it, as he tried with the slavery and surah 4:34, there is no getting around it. Slavery is halal. Wife hitting is halal. Period.

My point was that the odds of me being shot by a fellow American are far greater than the odds of me being a Muslim slave. My concern level for the latter is virtually zero, and I was directing my comment at the other netizen who's level is obviously considerably higher. That's all.

I actually put up a thread on my blog addressing the topic of my 1 post on the Dreaded Blog of Blasphemy. I'd link to it, but I don't want to be accused of blog pimping.

280 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:27:12pm

re: #276 zombie
Resentment can be a cruel master.
/

281 Killer Tomato  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:27:29pm

re: #271 NY Nana

re: #79 ctrlL

Sad re NH. It used to be sane until the same lefties who despoil MA moved there as Taxachusetts was so damned expensive.

Odd, isn't it? They turned Massachusetts into a socialist paradise and then fled. Amazes me that none of these clowns seem to understand cause and effect.

Live Free or... keep voting democrat

282 Highrise  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:27:29pm

re: #275 hous bin pharteen

When bos comes in, he actually has his own blog that makes fun of us, calls us names, calls charles names, and also links to the top 4 websites as LGFWATCH. So he starts fights here, goes back to his blog and calls us names, and then comes back here and plays the victim card that we don't give him a chance. The manipulation is thick.

Yup need to shine the light on these disingenuous peckers.

283 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:27:32pm
284 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:28:18pm

re: #278 ChildOfMary

Thank you- Robert's always a good read.

285 astronmr20  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:28:20pm

re: #265 Killer Tomato

Much thanks. Regular 'ole .38 target rounds will do. If you want to splurge, Hydra Shock .45's will be nice (:

286 realwest  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:30:09pm

Well y'all I gotta try and get some sleep now.
Sorry for the comments about real estate and credit markets, but they allowed me, for a brief period of time, to take my mind off of today.
I wasn't able to get on LGF for many hours today (thank you mofo TimeWarner) but managed to say pretty much what we have all said (with some notable exceptions).
My anger about 9/11/01 has not only not subsided during the intervening years, it has increased during those years.
I feel genuine, out and out RAGE against the sonsofbithces who murdered so many, their enablers and supporters and who would, given the slightest opportunity, do so again, and relish in our deaths and misery.
NEVER FORGET.
NEVER FORGIVE.
NEVER GIVE UP THE FIGHT.
God Bless America.

287 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:30:30pm

re: #279 ChenZhen

My concern level for the latter is virtually zero

Wow. Really? You don't care about humans being forced into slavery? That's cold hearted.

288 Highrise  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:30:50pm

re: #286 realwest


AMEN!

289 astronmr20  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:30:52pm

re: #279 ChenZhen

And if you learn how to carry and use a firearm Chen, your chance of getting shot by an American goes down, too.

If you are not dealing or buying drugs, your chance of getting shot is practically zero anyway.

Just don't brandish. Pull it out only to use it.

Come back any time for advice, brother.

290 mfarmer1  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:30:57pm

Just sent the Gov of Mass. a message:

Dear Governor,
I haven't said this since junior high school, but you've earned it with your pathetic 9-11 speech today. Sir, you are a wuss. There was no failure of human understanding, because the 19 sub-human Islamofascist 7th century primitives who slit the throats of flight attendants and flew jets into skyscrapers killing 3000 Americans are not in the same category of human beings as the rest of us. If there is any misunderstanding going on in the world right now, it's that we treat the Islamic world, a proven failure the globe over, as an equal partner on the planet. It is not, and it's high time that our elected officials stop pandering to the world's Muslims in order not to offend their ever growing list of grievances and sensibilities.

Governor, stop being such a wussy wuss.

291 Killer Tomato  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:31:24pm

'night Real!

astronmr20
Duly noted. :-)

292 NY Nana  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:32:09pm

re: #153 Dublin(CA)Dude

Just be well!

293 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:33:23pm

re: #279 ChenZhen

I'll bet it's just full the crawfishing humor that some Lizards luv.

This Netzen fears you. Your recruiting of folks to your Progressive side, your shots at Charles across his stern, and your mockery of this site.

Highrise is right; this blog IS worth fighting to protect.

Go back to your erudite, L-brain Progressive wallows.

294 zombie  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:33:25pm

re: #281 Killer Tomato

Sorry, I don't have a link to my long-ago Islam-summation. (That you requested earlier.)

Maybe someone else does!

295 stevieray  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:34:04pm

re: #211 song_and_dance_man

I love a good chin joke!

296 zombie  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:34:26pm

re: #283 song_and_dance_man

re: #274 zombie

OK I've emailed my vote.

Thanks!

297 astronmr20  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:34:58pm

Well, it's been real. I turned 30 today and I should stop drinking and posting.


Goodnight Lizards, and all various genus and subspecies of similar scaly-skinned and cold-blooded ilk.

298 Highrise  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:35:26pm

re: #297 astronmr20

Well, it's been real. I turned 30 today and I should stop drinking and posting.


Goodnight Lizards, and all various genus and subspecies of similar scaly-skinned and cold-blooded ilk.

happy bday!

299 Killer Tomato  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:35:38pm

re: #294 zombie

Thanks for looking!
Carried that thing in my wallet - shoulda just memorized it. Came in handy more often than wish it had to.

300 DesertSage  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:36:41pm
My point was that the odds of me being shot by a fellow American are far greater than the odds of me being a Muslim slave. My concern level for the latter is virtually zero...

OK, I have to call complete stupidity on the part of the person that posted this idiotic rambling.

Will someone please ask this person (since I refuse to talk to him directly) what the odds were in the late 30's - early 40's, of an American Jew being sent to the gas chamber in Auschwitz? Did it make the plight of European Jews any less relevant just because the American Jew was in far less danger?

His statement is irrelevant.

301 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:36:52pm

Why in the hell would someone who fears not Islamofascism and dhimmitude in the least be a revered regular on this site?!

HE IS NOT A LIZARD; HE IS NOT OUR FRIEND.

302 Killer Tomato  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:37:07pm

re: #299 Killer Tomato

...than I wish it had to...
sheesh

303 Jheka  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:37:15pm

I've been thinking about it a bit today. While we remember 9-11 and the Towers and Flight 93 and the Pentagon, as well as Beslan and 7-7 and 3-11 and Theo Van Gogh and Danny Pearl and so, so many others ... well, let's give a thought to what hasn't happened. Let's think about the hundreds or perhaps thousands of attacks that the men and women in Homeland Security, the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, the US (and other) armed forces, local law enforcement and so many others managed to prevent. Let's think about the bombs that didn't go off on our airplanes and schools and buses. Let's think about the stadiums and arenas that have remained safe for six years. The tunnels, the airports, the churches and synagogues. Let's think about our loved ones, who have remained safe, in spite of the wishes and best efforts of a psychotic murder cult and its many, many enablers. Want to get some perspective? Plug in the word "thwarted" into the LGF search engine and read some of the thread titles.

It wasn't luck or lack of murderous effort by our enemies that has kept this country and much of the West safe.

Thank you to all who have contributed, if even just by speaking out, looking out and voting to keep those who would leave us vulnerable away from the reins of power.

304 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:38:45pm

Damn.
Its Wed already.
Time to get psyched for racing this weekend.
I hope it rains!

Even Pro's can loose it in the rain.
This one is nuts.

305 ChildOfMary  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:39:10pm

re: #290 mfarmer1

You did good!

And if I don't get some sleep, I won't be doing good tomorrow.
Good nite, all -- and God Bless (that would be the God that doesn't command His people to kill).

306 NY Nana  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:40:01pm

re: #281 Killer Tomato

It just hurts..I was brought up in a Jewish Republican home...and it makes me want to cry to see what has happened, as MA was always dhimmie, but has gotten so much worse since I live in NY. Between our 2 states? Hanoi John and Chappaquiddick Ted...and Shrillary and Chuckie Cheese Schumer.

Feh.

307 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:40:14pm

re: #300 DesertSage

Recall that the world thought that Germany had relinquished all of her 'guns' after WWI. That assumption saved how many Jews, Poles, Czechs, Russians, Brits, Americans, and the occasional Frenchman?

308 AirForceWife  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:40:42pm
#48 newsjunkie_ky 9/11/07 8:54:43 pm reply quote report 0
Thank God that the dems FAILED to steal FL and algore was not in the White House on 9/11.

I've thought that same thing many times. It's like having an awake nightmare and I have to stop myself. We would have been attacked again on the magnitude of 9/11 I have no doubt whatsoever.

309 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:40:47pm

A young man's last words from Tower Two.

In memoriam. Lux aeterna luceat eis, Domine.

310 squarepeg  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:43:35pm

re: #303 Jheka

Yes. I was happy to hear our military mentioned today at the 9/11 observance held at Disneyland. Those active and retired.

311 AirForceWife  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:44:50pm
#303 Jheka 9/11/07 10:37:15 pm reply quote report

It wasn't luck or lack of murderous effort by our enemies that has kept this country and much of the West safe.

Our enemies own buffoonery does work to our advantage somewhat but I agree with you. There is no way to know how many lives have been saved. How many people would be dead that are right now accusing Pres. Bush of being a mass murderer. It's a crazy freaking world.

312 rock86  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:46:21pm

don't blame me I voted for the other gal :)

313 pat  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:47:00pm

re: #279 ChenZhen

I suggest you review the conquest of Constantinople. One of the reasons for the tepid defense was the certainty that the siege was a repetition of something that had been done many times. After all, the parties were on speaking terms.
They had little understanding of what would happen after a Muslim takeover. All teens and men were killed. Young boys were castrated, often in front of their mothers, and then shackled. After being raped so they could not go to paradise, all older females were killed. Nun, though, had special treatment. They were publicly gang-raped and made to convert to Islam before being killed. these nuns thought that they would be respected for the charities that they bestowed upon Muslims. Wrong.
The remaining females were marched up a stage for the next 3 days naked. they were bid upon. it was said by the third day a good horse brought more money.

This is what Muslims believe today. Today. Today.

314 JHW  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:47:12pm

re: #309 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

Glad to see you posting again, I`ve never forgot a post you made in the past on 9/11.

315 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:47:15pm
316 DesertSage  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:47:52pm

re: #307 cbinflux

I can't even bring myself to talk to him anymore, the stupidity is just too much for me.

To say that you feel safe in America- "

I'm not worried about becoming a Muslim slave

"- and then to denigrate the very government that enabled you to have that security...is beyond astonishing.
It's complete and utter stupidity! He has completely lost what little mind he may have had.

317 Barrypopik  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:48:25pm

O.T.: Crime in America, White & Black, and the MSM

Tuesday's NBC network evening news (maybe others as well) broke this story of white-on-black crime, and it's reported in Wednesday's New York Times as well:


Woman, 20, Was Imprisoned and Tortured, Police Say

By CHRIS STRATTON and IAN URBINA
Published: September 12, 2007
LOGAN, W.Va., Sept. 11 — A 20-year-old woman was held captive for more than a week in a mobile home, where she was raped, stabbed and tortured by at least a half-dozen people, the police said. Sheriff’s deputies rescued her on Saturday, and she remained hospitalized Tuesday in stable condition.

“I’ve been in law enforcement for more than 30 years, and this is the first time I’ve ever seen anything of this nature,” the Logan County sheriff, Eddie Hunter, said.

Six people, including a mother and her son and a mother and her daughter, have been charged in the case.

The police said the people charged, all of whom are white, yelled racial slurs at the woman, who is black, during some of the attacks. The woman endured horrific torture, according to court documents. She was raped by multiple men, some of whom poured scalding water on her during the assaults, according to the criminal complaints.


LGF readers might remember the Knoxville Horror of the Christian-Newsom murders, a black-on-white crime never reported in the New York Times or the network tv news. Michelle Malkin and other conservative commentators pointed out earlier this year that news stories in the MSM depend on race. No one is denying that the above story is horrible, but so was this unreported (by MSM) story:

The Knoxville Horror: The Crime and the Cover-Up
Nicholas Stix, Special to AR News, May 14, 2007

On Saturday, January 6, 2007, Channon Christian, 21, and Christopher Newsom, 23, of Knoxville, Tennessee, went on a date from which they would never return. On their way to the home of another couple, they were carjacked and kidnapped. Over the next 24 hours they were beaten, gang-raped, tortured, and murdered.

If Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom had been black and their killers white, everyone in America would know their names. Because they were white and their killers are black, their fate has been shrouded in a thick silence that has given rise to a host of gruesome rumors. Their story highlights the strange and twisted nature of race relations in America.

318 pat  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:48:29pm

re: #306 NY Nana

My Jewish family was also GOP! Going back to 1860! Not too many of us.

319 NY Nana  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:49:43pm

G'nite, all! Time to go to sleep...a lot more cooking, as the whole family will be here for the start of Rosh Hashanah before sunset...

Poor NY Grampa is doing most of it, as I have a rotator cuff tear in my right shoulder. I will do anything to get out of cooking so much, but this is a bit OTT. :)

There are a few special dishes that I insist on making.

320 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:49:52pm

re: #313 pat

Excellent post!

/But, but Bubba Sixpack has a a squirrel gun! I'm a'scared!
[channeling CZ]

321 pat  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:49:59pm

re: #317 Barrypopik

And then there is the Wichita Horror. Also covered up.

322 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:52:06pm

re: #316 DesertSage

He's not any more stupid than your avg Liberal. Pretty clever in fact. Clever enough to do his regular shuck and jive routine here daily.

Why is is still humored and entertained here? It's beyond my comprehension.

323 AirForceWife  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:52:09pm

#279 ChenZhen 9/11/07 10:27:04 pm reply quote report

My point was that the odds of me being shot by a fellow American are far greater than the odds of me being a Muslim slave.

So you must be in favor or much harsher punishment in this country for anyone ever convicted of murder then right? You're probably a death penalty supporter for convicted murderers I am sure.

324 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:53:56pm
325 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:54:17pm

Did anyone catch the broadcast from KARE11 tonight. It wasn't yet posted on their site.

326 NY Nana  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:55:17pm

re: #318 pat

I must have known them. :) seriously, that is very unusual going that far back.

My parents zt'l must have freaked out; their only child was a *gasp* demonrat! Yes, when I was 21, I registered, and voted for JFK. Then I grew up, and NY Grampa and I left the demons when Jimmah the Jew Hater was in his first year...and registered as Republicans when President Bush ran the first time. We have never looked back! My parents must have been 2 of about 20 Jewish Republicans in MA.

327 The Other Les  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:56:45pm

re: #325 cbinflux

Did anyone catch the broadcast from KARE11 tonight. It wasn't yet posted on their site.

No.

I've had the TV off all day.

What happened?

328 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:56:57pm

re: #326 NY Nana
God blesses and keeps those with a strong sense of self-preservation!

329 pat  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:57:13pm

re: #326 NY Nana

I went to a McGovern rally. LOL (looks around carefully, one dog raised an eye)

330 NY Nana  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:57:31pm

re: #309 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

Quite a day, wasn't it? Hope all is well...

I am off to sleep. I have sworn to get to sleep by 2 AM..early for me!

331 Yankee Division Son  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:57:31pm

re: #325 cbinflux

Did anyone catch the broadcast from KARE11 tonight. It wasn't yet posted on their site.

do you mean this?

"..According to Frederic, Wisconsin police chief R. J. Severude, an internationally-wanted terror suspect is sitting in the Polk County jail..."

332 pat  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:58:40pm

re: #326 NY Nana

And so many Jews do not hear the Jew hatred, Carter was a Jew hater. Was is and will be until he meets the devil.

333 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:58:42pm

re: #327 The Other Les

Small town Wisconsin CoP catches big, terrorist fish wanted on multiple warrants, yet suing Ashcroft.

[Link: www.kare11.com...]

334 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:59:35pm
335 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:59:42pm

re: #331 Yankee Division Son

Yes. I was hoping to see the video.

336 NY Nana  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 10:59:47pm

re: #328 cbinflux

Please don't mention preservation to someone who will be 70 in January! :)

G'nite! Take care.

337 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:00:30pm

re: #334 song_and_dance_man

Taking jobs Americans won't do -- blowing up Americans!

338 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:00:52pm

re: #336 NY Nana

See, it's working!

339 WrathofG-d  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:01:21pm

"is there anything they don't know?"

ha ha! love it.

Our politicians...experts in every field. (they better hope they never have to get a real job & have to prove it.)

Let's keep voting the morons in. Well done America!

340 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:02:05pm

re: #339 WrathofG-d

They could always teach, or go back to law practices.

341 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:02:14pm

WTF?

342 zombie  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:02:44pm

re: #317 Barrypopik

I've been reading about that case this evening.

If it's true, it's very horrific, and the perpetrators deserve lengthy jail time.

HOWEVER, and I know I'm going out on a limb here, something seems fishy about the whole story.

I don't doubt that something must have happened. (She was injured, after all.) But the details seem so off-kilter, and so many crucial details are glossed over that my skepto-sensors started going off.

I find it as hard to believe that there would be such crazed racists in this day and age as a moonbats finds it hard to believe that there are terrorists in this world.

So maybe my disbelief that there could be such primitive racism colors my perceptions, but I find it hard to believe that SO MANY people could be involved in this torture scene. Six kidnappers, three or four of whom were female, and several (dozens?) of rapists coming and going, for almost a week. How could that be kept quiet? Pouring boiling water on someone during sexual intercourse? Being forced to eat rat droppings?

Simply too weird.

I don't know all the details, and I wasn't there obviously, so maybe it did happen like that -- who knows? But if I had to wager, I'd say at least part of the tale is exaggerated or worse.

343 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:02:57pm

re: #341 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar
KWTF radio Hawaii.

344 The Other Les  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:03:48pm

re: #331 Yankee Division Son

re: #325 cbinflux

Did anyone catch the broadcast from KARE11 tonight. It wasn't yet posted on their site.

do you mean this?

"..According to Frederic, Wisconsin police chief R. J. Severude, an internationally-wanted terror suspect is sitting in the Polk County jail..."

I've been on that stretch of of Wisconsin Highway 35 a few times. Lots of hills and curves that the local cops can hide behind.

Actually, driving at about ten miles over the limit is normal in that area. I just slow down when I come up to the hills and curves.

345 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:04:21pm

re: #342 zombie

It happens, see Jenna. AND THE KNOXVILLE CASE which MSM ignores.

346 UncleSam  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:05:24pm

re: #66 Hucbald

Is there a politician who isn't an empty suit (Or dress)?

No one comes to mind.


Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter come to mind.

347 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:05:52pm

re: #344 The Other Les
He should be honored at the WH, on AMW, etc. But instead he'll probably be facing CAIR and moonbats, sued for profiling, etc.

348 WrathofG-d  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:06:24pm

re: #340 cbinflux

Aint that so. Well if we sent them they'd have to go.

But let's be honest we don't need more lawyers.

349 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:07:06pm

re: #348 WrathofG-d

re: #340 cbinflux

Aint that so. Well if we sent them they'd have to go.

But let's be honest we don't need more lawyers IN POLITICS.

350 NY Nana  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:07:51pm

re: #332 pat

re: #326 NY Nana

And so many Jews do not hear the Jew hatred, Carter was a Jew hater. Was is and will be until he meets the devil.

The 'kumbaya' crowd of self-hating Jews?

Pat, they will wake up the hard way...if they indeed ever wake up. Old habits die hard..but the sweat shops are long gone, and the unions are the homes of thugs...and the tenements of the Lower East Side are no longer a Jewish area..there is a resurgence of younger modern Orthodox Jews, as there are some terrific apartments that are a decent size, but all the old places like Ratners, etc., are long gone.

The devil is going to have his hands full with Jimmah.

I.must.go.to.sleep!

ZZZzzz.

351 The Other Les  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:08:06pm

re: #347 cbinflux

re: #344 The Other Les
He should be honored at the WH, on AMW, etc. But instead he'll probably be facing CAIR and moonbats, sued for profiling, etc.

As I've said, speeding is pretty common in that area.

352 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:09:24pm
353 zombie  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:09:32pm

re: #345 cbinflux

re: #342 zombie

It happens, see Jenna.

I'm confused. You mean the "Jena 6" case? But wasn't that the reverse? Six black kids beat and kicked a white kid almost to death. How is that germane to this case? Isn't the racism going the other way in Jena? (And remember that the victim was NOT one of the purported noose-hangers, none of whom physically hurt anyone anyway.)

354 NY Nana  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:09:50pm

re: #338 cbinflux

re: #336 NY Nana

See, it's working!

:)

355 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:10:46pm
356 NY Nana  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:10:47pm

re: #352 song_and_dance_man

Who, me? Wanna bet? Whoops, maybe not..but I really have to get to sleep!

357 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:14:19pm

re: #353 zombie

The question was ~ how is this possibly true when so many were involved/knowledgeable?

The Jena 6 is racism and hate, the blacks in the horrendous but almost unnoticed Knoxville case is racism and hate.

Racism is racism; hate crimes are hate crimes. Skin pigment light or dark. That's my point.

Further, some folks will actually do worse in a couple or a crowd than they'd ever do on their own. Riots and lynchings at the extreme.

358 Wookieelips  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:17:28pm

re: #342 zombie


Keep in mind that trauma can kinda screw your brain up for a while.
It's possible, people that sick are out there, isn't that what we're against here? Yeah, it got media attention when similar cases didn't for questionable reasons, but it's still sick and wrong.

Don't get me wrong--I pray (and I'm not even that religous) that it ISN'T true. I hope it's not. I hope it was all some sad deluded vision of a crazy person.
But I don't doubt it's very possible.

359 UncleSam  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:17:32pm

As regards the Massachusetts Governor, the word "clueless" has never been more applicable, appropriate or pertinent.
Except perhaps in reference to Nevill Chamberlain.

360 WrathofG-d  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:17:39pm

OY!
Olmert the Arab.

361 latitude51  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:17:49pm

Something like this I guess.


362 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:18:52pm

re: #359 UncleSam
Sorry to top you, but "RoP". Now that's clueless!

363 squarepeg  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:20:35pm

re: #342 zombie

I find it as hard to believe that there would be such crazed racists in this day and age as a moonbats finds it hard to believe that there are terrorists in this world.

My feelings. And then that Black guy gets dragged to death in Jasper, Texas.

364 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:22:35pm

It's 2000 in Ethiopia!

365 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:25:15pm

G'nite Lizards.

Resist the nattering nabobs of negativuty!

366 UncleSam  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:25:15pm

ACK! Meant "Neville" but spellcheck didn't catch that.
#362 cbinflux: Yeah, "RoP" is pretty clueless, too.
I was referring to people rather than phrases or acronyms.

367 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:25:47pm

re: #366 UncleSam

Me too. W, sad to say.

368 Opilio  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:27:35pm

cbinflux: I just noticed that practically every comment you've posted on this thread has a rating of less than zero.

Any idea wassup wit dat?

369 pat  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:28:50pm

re: #363 squarepeg

They got death. What will the Newsome/Channon murderers get? We will not know. The MSM has covered up the crime. Juan Williams has gone on national TV and slandered the victims while minimizing the rapes and tortures. They should all get death. But Williams and the MSM should go to hell. Aiders and Abettors.

370 UncleSam  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:30:19pm

re: #367 cbinflux

re: #366 UncleSam

Me too. W, sad to say.


I kinda figured that, but since you didn't specically mention him, etc., etc...

371 UncleSam  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:31:56pm

Aaarghh! "Specifically."
It's getting late and I'm too tired to type well.

372 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:32:39pm

re: #368 Opilio

Yes.

Tribes are forming. The CZ tribe is formidable, and even some of those who agree that he should go have hurt feeling b/c there's his mud on them.

I'm, however infrequently, crabby, and it's opilio crab season?
I poke fun that's not always perceived as such.

And last, I vote me down b/c I think the whole voting thing is a short-lived hoot!

373 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:33:21pm

re: #370 UncleSam

Well, you being Uncle Sam and all...
/

374 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:34:15pm

General ChenZen Untie!

375 cbinflux  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:36:50pm

Now Online: 2,111
Logged in: 147
Posting: 4-5
Voting: __?__

376 UncleSam  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:38:16pm

re: #373 cbinflux

re: #370 UncleSam

Well, you being Uncle Sam and all...
/

Exactly.

377 squarepeg  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:42:10pm

re: #369 pat

Dreadful. Isn't there local coverage of that crime and trial?

378 transferthem[deleted]  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:44:43pm
379 NavyBrat  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:50:06pm

The Gov. has a failure of human understanding as to what murder is.

380 Highrise  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:54:39pm

re: #379 NavyBrat

The Gov. has a failure of human understanding as to what murder is.

You aren't lying there.

381 mattm  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:54:51pm

Tougher, we can say f***you 9/11 victims..

382 mattm  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:57:43pm

I have the unfortunate experience of living just a few miles form the MA border. I live in CT, but go to college and work in MA. The only good area of MA is Boston when the Sox are playing.

383 Kohenan The Barbarian  Tue, Sep 11, 2007 11:59:57pm

It's that touchy feely group grope incense burning kumbya multicultural turn the other cheek pacifist avoid confrontation see no evil hear no evil speak no evil gutless sitting duck airhead view of life-- clueless of the reality that on planet earth the survival of the fittest and tribal warfare to control food territory and reproduction have ruled since the first microbe evolved in the primal ooze--and it ain't changed just because refrigerators were invented---dummkopf!

384 Jheka  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 12:05:28am

Hmmm ...I blink and something gets deleted.

385 Boazhorribilis  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 12:11:58am

Blah...blah...blah...turn the other cheek...blah ...blah...blahhh...

386 sheik yer'mami  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 12:20:04am

The world belongs to f*#kwits!

The idiot prince Charles who believes he is Arabia's Charly, a guy who believes he can be 'defender of the FAITH'S'-, The Archbishop of Canterbury, a deeply deluded PoS, Peanut Khadr, Clitman, now this guy: Where do they hatch these people?[Link: sheikyermami.com...]

387 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 12:20:11am

During an interview with KFI-AM host John Ziegler, Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul compared mall security efforts to the effectiveness of US military presence in Iraq.

388 Kulhwch  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 12:22:29am

    Why do we even listen to this pap?

}:)     [Good dhimmis, both of them ... ]

389 carridine  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 12:23:19am

re: #383 Kohenan The Barbarian

I like your style... blunt, factual, balanced and straight to the point!
:D

390 Tom Kratman  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 12:32:40am

Ah, _now_ I remember why I defected from the Peoples Republic.

391 JohnRC  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 12:37:54am

Must have the same speech writers as Akbar, I mean Barak, meaningless platitudes.

392 aussiemagpie  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 12:40:39am

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Goodness this new voting thingie - what's it supposed to prove? That a comment gets read or is there some kind of popularity poll going on?

And it was my 2nd registration anniversary yesterday on LGF, and I wanted to post last night but sadly LGF was on the blink for me

I just wanted to say God Bless America, and there are many people here who will never forget the fact that the US saved us from cetain invasion in our neck of the woods in WW11

As for 9/11, we lost 10 Aussies that day, two were on planes on their home after a holiday in the US

393 Subtle  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 12:44:33am

re: #392 aussiemagpie

Ride it out...I trust Charles...for some reason I think it's working already.

Don't worry :) If you have good post..you have ZERO to worry with.

394 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 12:46:19am

re: #326 NY Nana

My parents zt'l must have freaked out; their only child was a *gasp* demonrat! Yes, when I was 21, I registered, and voted for JFK. Then I grew up, and NY Grampa and I left the demons when Jimmah the Jew Hater was in his first year...and registered as Republicans when President Bush ran the first time. We have never looked back! My parents must have been 2 of about 20 Jewish Republicans in MA.

2/20 = 1/10, which sounds about right. I've seen 12% quoted as the number of Jews who vote Republican, which is why I have to laugh whenever Dem weenies complain about Republicans "pandering to the Jewish vote"... "Boys, if we invest millions in PR, this year we may break that 12% barrier! Forget conservative values - it's time for tikkun olam! Welfare and bagels for everybody!"

The Democrats are clearly fast becoming the party of choice for professional Jew killers everywhere, too. It boggles the mind.

395 aussiemagpie  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 12:47:51am

re: #393 Subtle


Yes, just another toy to play with :-)

396 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 12:49:22am

Morning

397 Highrise  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 12:51:12am

re: #396 storagemanager


Hey storemanger.

I just want to say how great you have been the past few days. I have enjoyed your links..very on topic to this blog and our plight.

GOOD ON YOU!

398 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 12:51:35am
In recent days the IAF has flown over Syria several times in an attempt to gain intelligence on a number of suspected nuclear facilities Israel believes have been sponsored by North Korea, according to an official in the Bush administration quoted by the New York Times Wednesday.

"The Israelis think North Korea is selling to Iran and Syria what little they have left," the official told the Times, adding that the alleged strike had not necessarily provided evidence that would confirm the intelligence.

Meanwhile, North Korea on Tuesday night slammed Israel for the alleged air strike, calling it a "dangerous provocation" meant to breach Syria's sovereignty and upset peace and security in the region.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

399 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 12:52:08am

re: #397 Highrise

re: #396 storagemanager


Hey storemanger.

I just want to say how great you have been the past few days. I have enjoyed your links..very on topic to this blog and our plight.

GOOD ON YOU!

Thank you

400 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 12:55:39am
Militants attack, capture 12 troops in Pakistan


Published: 09.12.07, 09:34 / Israel News

About 200 pro-Taliban militants attacked a paramilitary post in northwest Pakistan on Wednesday and captured 12 soldiers, an official said, in the latest incident of spiraling violence in the region.

Militants firing rocket-propelled grenades launched a pre-dawn raid on the post on the outskirts of the town of Bannu in North West Frontier Province.


[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

401 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 12:56:37am
Report: Israel spots nuclear installations in Syria


According to Washington official, Israeli jets recently took pictures of possible nuclear installations in Syria and Israel believes North Korea supplying Syria, Iran with nuclear materials, NY Times reports

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

402 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 1:02:00am
Civilization-President
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Tuesday that the Iranian nation is of a great civilization with clear message for salvation of humanity.


He said in his address to nationwide conference of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) commanders that neither the terrorists nor the arrogant powers are capable of guiding the mankind.

The president likened the stand-off between Iran and the arrogant powers to 'light and darkness'.

He said that the Iranian nation managed to drive the bullying powers to desperation in their campaign against Iran's civilian nuclear program, adding that the success had political gains for Iran.

"Despite a 28-year campaign the domineering powers unleashed against Iran including the eight-year imposed war on Iran and economic sanctions, Iran has made eye-catching progress in the field of science and technology."
He said that the government follows guidelines of Supreme leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei on Iranian nuclear program and said that thanks God Iran acquired full know-how on civilian nuclear technology and is currently a nuclear state.

Ahmadinejad said that the balance of power has tilted in Iran's favor and certain Western


He did the math. [Link: www2.irna.com...]

403 freedomplow  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 1:03:50am

“9/11%u2033 Zogby Poll Was Commissioned By Iran

By now you have probably heard of the results of the recent Zogby poll (pdf file), which claims that 42% of Americans believe Bush either caused 9/11 or let it happen.

404 freedomplow  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 1:07:38am
405 yochanan  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 1:07:46am

shock of all shocks
the dictator for life
is a troother

[Link: today.reuters.com...]

406 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 1:08:35am
407 Egfrow  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 1:09:52am
408 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 1:11:01am

Did Israel destroy a chemical weapons facility in Syria?

This is my preferred scenario of what actually happened in Syria.

I don't believe the NY Times story that it was North Korean nuclear material.

Got to run out for a while. Busy day.

409 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 1:16:36am

re: #408 Carl in Jerusalem

Did Israel destroy a chemical weapons facility in Syria?

This is my preferred scenario of what actually happened in Syria.

I don't believe the NY Times story that it was North Korean nuclear material.

Got to run out for a while. Busy day.

I do but it...North Korea was at the Nam meeting in Tehran last week...and stood by Iran's right to have nuclear technology.

410 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 1:17:17am

re: #409 storagemanager

re: #408 Carl in Jerusalem


Did Israel destroy a chemical weapons facility in Syria?

This is my preferred scenario of what actually happened in Syria.

I don't believe the NY Times story that it was North Korean nuclear material.

Got to run out for a while. Busy day.


I do buy it...North Korea was at the Nam meeting in Tehran last week...and stood by Iran's right to have nuclear technology.
411 yochanan  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 1:20:16am

re: #408 Carl in Jerusalem

good call carl.

L'SHANA TOVA

412 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 1:22:47am
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) - President Gen. Pervez Musharraf came under fire Wednesday for the expulsion of former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, with newspapers dismissing the government's claim that he returned willingly to exile.
Sharif flew in from London on Monday to challenge the already troubled re-election plans of Musharraf, who toppled Sharif's government in a 1999 bloodless coup. Authorities halted him at the terminal and he left a few hours later for Saudi Arabia.

Sharif had said he was ready to risk jail by coming home. But officials said Tuesday that when they offered him a choice between arrest on corruption charges or exile, he chose the latter.

"No one is going to quite buy this argument," the Lahore-based Nation newspaper wrote in its Wednesday editorial. "For him to come to Pakistan only to be jetted to Saudi Arabia makes no sense. It is clear that he was sent against his will."

The manner of Sharif's departure is already the subject of a complaint to the Supreme Court from the two-time ex-premier's supporters.

The court, which is emerging as the main threat to Musharraf's hold on power, ruled last month that Sharif had an "inalienable" right to enter his homeland. It is unclear when it might rule on the latest case.

As well as deepening Musharraf's legal problems, Sharif's removal could deepen his unpopularity and reinforce impressions that he is an authoritarian leader. It also could undermine the legitimacy of legislative elections due by January.

"Unless the government provides even chances to all politicians in exile to come back to the country and play their role to establish real democracy instead of usurping their rights, no one can believe the sincerity of the rulers," the Urdu language Nawa-I-Waqt daily said.

Musharraf also faces rising Islamic extremism recently underlined by a spate of deadly suicide attacks blamed on pro-Taliban militants based near the Afghan border.

U.S. Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte arrived in Pakistan on Wednesday for talks on counterterrorism and other aspects of American- Pakistani relations, the U.S. Embassy said.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

413 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 1:28:50am

re: #411 yochanan

re: #408 Carl in Jerusalem

good call carl.

L'SHANA TOVA

Time will tell

..."Israel is a rotten, dried tree that will be annihilated in one storm." President Ahmadinejad

He isn't going to do that with Chemical weapons.

414 yochanan  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 1:32:21am

re: #413 storagemanager

OF COURSE I THINK THE IRANIANS ARE WORKING ON NUKES TO ATTACK ISRAEL,

that does not mean this attack was against nukes but other forms of WMD'S such as chemical.

415 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 1:34:56am

re: #414 yochanan

re: #413 storagemanager

OF COURSE I THINK THE IRANIANS ARE WORKING ON NUKES TO ATTACK ISRAEL,

that does not mean this attack was against nukes but other forms of WMD'S such as chemical.


North Korea came to Syria defense...and very strong...I have given enough links in the past to show...Syria,Iran and North Korea are in bed...take it or leave it...just a post.

416 yochanan  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 1:37:21am

re: #415 storagemanager

i don't disagree that the three are working together.

417 yochanan  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 1:37:49am

dhimmi carter reborn
[Link: blog.washingtonpost.com...]

418 yochanan  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 1:39:28am

we are all guessing what the target was we don't disagree that the target was something important

419 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 1:44:37am
it is now exactly six years to the day that the world woke up to the true horror and the evil of Islamism. Our comfortable safe lives, and the world around us, would never be the same again. 9/11 was a declaration of war, embroiling us in a war that must be fought every day - sometimes a war that involves more effort expended to convince the naive that we actually are in a war. A war against extremism, a war against religious fascism. A war that we can never retreat from if we value anything about the West.

Words cannot express the enormity of those events - for all who witnessed them and particularly for those who lost loved ones, the ghastly spectacle of the twin towers falling will be seared forever on their minds. The aftermath unveiled only more horror - the stories of families calling their loved ones from planes bound for destruction - the last gasps of doomed humanity, carried inexorably to their fate by people so spiritually perverted that they believed mass murder would secure them a place with Allah.

[Link: www.westernresistance.com...]

420 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 1:46:20am
Baghdad, 11 Sept. (AKI) - The 'Islamic State of Iraq', a monicker used by a group purporting to be al-Qaeda's branch in the country, has announced it has created a 'brigade' of women suicide bombers, a London-based Arab news agency reported Tuesday.

[Link: www.adnkronos.com...]

421 MrArchieBunker  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 1:49:44am

It's more of the same from the soft-headed, foggy brained 'We are the world' crowd. The spirit of Neville Chamberlain is alive and well.

422 Tasty Beverage  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 1:52:51am

Since there are so many Jewish LGFer's present can I ask a question about Rosh Hashannah? I read somewhere that there are three days called Rosh hashannah -- Erev, then Rosh Hashannah, then Rosh hashannah II, at which point you light the candle at sundown.. So which is the actual "Rosh Hashannah"? Are the first two just a lead up to the main day?

Thanks for any info.

423 yochanan  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 1:57:27am

erev referes to the day before the holiday not the holiday itself.

424 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:00:02am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

425 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:03:08am

speaking of the Buffet...

...NANUET, N.Y. (AP) - Stomping on garlic with your shoes on is apparently not the correct way to prepare food. The Rockland County health department hit the Great China Buffet restaurant with two violations after someone took pictures of an employee stomping on a bowl of garlic with his boots in an alley. The man alerted health inspectors.
"I go back there, and the guy's stepping on garlic," said Dan Barreto, who used to eat at the restaurant. "There he was just jumping up and down on it, smashing it up, having a good time."

The health department does not consider a person's shoe or boot a proper instrument to use in food preparation, senior public health sanitarian John Stoughton said Tuesday.

"It was a novel way to prepare food," he acknowledged.

Great China Buffet owner Jiang Shu said the worker has been fired over the incident.

The health department said it would inspect the restaurant again.


[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

426 Killer Tomato  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:03:48am

I can't believe it, but I've just spent all night sitting here reading through the LGF 9/11 archives. Finally looked at the clock and realized I needed to start getting ready for work in an hour - no time for a nap. So I brewed a pot of very strong coffee, poured a cup and came back here for a bit... I could use some breakfast - where's the fruitcup?!

427 Tasty Beverage  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:04:59am

#423 yochanan

erev referes to the day before the holiday not the holiday itself.

Okay, but what about "Rosh Hashannah" and
Rosh Hashannah II"? These seme like two different days, all in the same week.

428 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:07:54am

This is rich...if you want my Bible...I would give it to you...and be happy you wanted it...

Police arrested three residents of the village of Arrabe in their 20's on suspicion that they attempted to hang a Palestinian youth in a nearby forest.

The youths apparently changed their minds when the victim began to convulse after being hung from a tree and cut him down. The youths, charged with aggravated battery and attempted murder, told the police they targeted the youth after he stole Koran book from the village mosque.

This should be a thread. [Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

429 gettinby  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:09:45am

Hi everyone! Thanks for fruitcup littleoldlady. :)

re: #427 Tasty Beverage

#423 yochanan


erev referes to the day before the holiday not the holiday itself.

Okay, but what about "Rosh Hashannah" and
Rosh Hashannah II"? These seme like two different days, all in the same week.

This link is interesting. I'm not Jewish, so can't verify its accuracy.

430 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:19:40am

re: #422 Tasty Beverage

Tasty Beverage,

Jewish holidays start at sundown the evening before you'll see it listed on the calendar. Today is "Erev" Rosh Hashanah.

In the U.S. - because we're X amount of hours from Israel - most one-day holidays are two days long so we're sure we're celebrating on the right day - 24 hourwise. :-) Tomorrow is Day 1, then Friday is Day 2. Not sure about the candle part, except that Friday night is Shabbat, and candles are lit for that, but this doesn't happen every year.

On Yom Kippur we light 24-hour memorial candles for immediate family members, and say "Yizkor" a memorial prayer during the service. Luckily, Yom Kippur - a day of fasting - is NOT 2 days long!

I have to reboot this computer...I can't open gettinby's link.

bbiam

431 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:24:19am

There is more to the air strike then we are being told

...(IsraelNN.com) A Lebanese daily has reported that there have been widespread disturbances in cell phone communication systems since the Israeli Air Force flew over and apparently bombed Syria last week.

Earlier in the day, American reported that the planes probably attacked weapons destined for Hizbullah terrorists and also filmed possible sites of nuclear facilities or materials. The Beirut Daily Star reported that four Israeli Air Force planes flew over Lebanese air space Wednesday morning.

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

432 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:25:59am
(IsraelNN.com) Israeli intelligence information prevented a suicide bombing in Be'er Sheva last week, officials revealed early Wednesday afternoon. The attempted terrorist attack had been kept under wraps during an investigation.

Soldiers caught the terrorists, a Hamas member from Rafiah, who tried to infiltrate into Israel via the Egyptian border, with the intention of striking Be'er Sheva

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

433 Killer Tomato  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:30:19am

Hey littleoldlady - Thanks for the fruitcup! Quite refreshing and hit the spot!

Everyone have yourselves a glorious day. We're alive, we're free, and each of us has someone somewhere who loves us. (And that's enough of the perky pep talk - now I'm off to another day at the salt mines...)

434 Tasty Beverage  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:34:54am

#429 gettinby

Thanks for the link, I've been to jewfq before but there's a mountain of info there and I guess I never thought to check.

#430 littleoldlady

Today is "Erev" Rosh Hashanah.

In the U.S. - because we're X amount of hours from Israel - most one-day holidays are two days long so we're sure we're celebrating on the right day - 24 hourwise. :-) Tomorrow is Day 1, then Friday is Day 2. Not sure about the candle part, except that Friday night is Shabbat, and candles are lit for that, but this doesn't happen every year.

And jut so noone forgets, tomorrow at sundown Ramalamdingdong starts. Prepare for massive car mombs and swarming, as they celebrate the most peaceful time of their year.

435 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:37:02am

Killer Tomato! :-) Good to see you!

gettingby! :-)

Good link. Here's where the extra days for holidays is explained better than I did.

436 gettinby  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:39:23am

re: #434 Tasty Beverage

And jut so noone forgets, tomorrow at sundown Ramalamdingdong starts. Prepare for massive car mombs and swarming, as they celebrate the most peaceful time of their year.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA *snort*
HA HA HA HA *sigh*

/you're cracking me up here! ;)

437 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:39:54am

Morning all.
Fox: US crafting Iran bombing plan.
Germany (surprise!) won't support more sanctions.

438 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:40:58am

Surely we would not bomb bomb bomb. bomb bomb Iran during Ramalamadingdong?

439 gettinby  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:43:25am

re: #438 Jim in Virginia

Surely we would not bomb bomb bomb. bomb bomb Iran during Ramalamadingdong?

Well, I, for one, am a wishin' and a hopin' !

/very old song.

440 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:44:34am

Dusty Springfield?

/still coffee bereft

441 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:49:05am

re: #440 littleoldlady

What is Homer Simpson's home town after a long dry spell?

442 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:49:06am

Oh. Dionne Warwick did it first?

I Did Not Know That.

443 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:50:57am

{My Rove!}

Hard questions for a coffee-challenged old lady?! You meanie!

Drygulch?

444 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:51:50am
Pro-Taleban militants have attacked a check post in north-west Pakistan and abducted 12 soldiers, officials say.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

445 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:54:15am

Iowahawk has photos of vintage farming tools. I want the cow puller to use on my kids.

446 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:54:56am
447 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:55:20am

re: #443 littleoldlady

no, dear- your 440.

448 BenZacharia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:56:23am

re: #443 littleoldlady

You gave the answer above, he supplied the question. Ever seen "Jeopardy!"?

449 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:57:52am

re: #447 Jim in Virginia

re: #443 littleoldlady

no, dear- your 440.

Oh. I am rechristening you: {My Young Rove!}

You don't remember Dusty Springfield, eh? ;-)

450 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:58:02am
Ron Paul tells Bill O'Reilly US policy, not Iran, is the real problem ...

451 BenZacharia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 2:59:35am

JIA
Found a coupla muzzles in the granary that were used on cavles to prevent them from suckle. Looks like they would work on teenagers, to prevent frig raids.

452 BenZacharia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:00:29am

JIA=JiV

453 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:03:00am

Moonbat alert...you may need to wash after reading...NOTE THEY AREN'T SAYING "NO SEATS AVAILABLE" BUTINSTEAD "NO FLIGHT"
Strange that the main airline in Israel suddenly
has "no flight" from the biggest jew population center outside of Israel on the very same day that the entire US Air Force will be "standing down."
A lot of people said that 4,000 jews didn't show up to work at the World Trade Center in New York on 9-11. Jews seemed to "know" some big attack was going to take place that day and they didn't go to work. By the way, on 9-11, the U.S. Air Force was ordered to "stand down" while those attacks were taking place!
Here we are six years later, the neo-cons are taking all sorts of flak over the Iraq war; the US economy is headed into financial collapse, the jews still want the US to attack Iran but they can't overcome public opinion so. . . . another "terrorist attack" on the US would do the trick!
Strange then, that El Al has no flights from NYC on Friday Sept. 14. . . .

Is this a HINT? Do the jews know something about Sept 14 the way they seemed to know about 9-11?

CONTINENTAL UNITED STATES WILL HAVE ZERO FIGHTER AIRCRAFT TO PROTECT THE NATION
Despite our own CIA Director making a rare public speech claiming Al-Qaida is planning "high-impact attacks against the U.S. Homeland" our Air Force has taken steps to make our entire country vulnerable to such attacks on September 14.
In an order given to all fighter pilots and bomber pilots, the entire U.S. Air Force will "stand down" on Friday September 14. We will have ZERO air defense for the entire country on that day!
They have ordered this stand down after five nuclear bombs were "accidentally shipped by plane from Minot AFB in North Dakota to Bartsdale AFB in Louisiana on a B-52 bomber. The military says they need to stand down to go over nuclear protocols

Where do these people come from?

454 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:04:53am

re: #431 storagemanager

There is more to the air strike then we are being told

...(IsraelNN.com) A Lebanese daily has reported that there have been widespread disturbances in cell phone communication systems since the Israeli Air Force flew over and apparently bombed Syria last week.Earlier in the day, American reported that the planes probably attacked weapons destined for Hizbullah terrorists and also filmed possible sites of nuclear facilities or materials. The Beirut Daily Star reported that four Israeli Air Force planes flew over Lebanese air space Wednesday morning.

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

Wow, those are some planes the Israelis have. Just a couple of days ago there were only two of them. I can only assume that in addition to all their other remarkable inventions, Israel has now invented planes that magically reproduce themselves in flight. Cool beans!

455 BenZacharia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:05:33am

Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark crater.

According to Russian generals, the bomb is four times more powerful than the American Massive Ordnance Air Blast Bomb or MOAB.

Better known as the Mother of All Bombs, the MOAB is a descendent of the BLU-82 Daisy cutter used in Tora Bora during the war against the Taliban in 2001.

Although it has never been used, the US military says the MOAB is capable of destroying nine city blocks in one strike.

According to Gen Alexander Rushkin, the Russian deputy chief of staff, the new bomb is smaller than the MOAB but much deadlier because, due to nanotechnology, the temperature at the epicentre of the blast is twice as high.

"Test results of the new airborne weapon have shown that its efficiency and power is commensurate with a nuclear weapon," he said.

"The main destruction is inflicted by an ultrasonic shockwave and an incredibly high temperature," ORT added.

"All that is alive merely evaporates."

456 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:07:24am

re: #455 BenZacharia

see my #446...tape of the bomb.

457 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:08:35am

Now see: this is exactly what I mean about those magical Israeli warplanes that multiply and regenerate during flight:

Report: Syria Calling up Reserves

(IsraelNN.com) Syria is mobilizing its reserve forces in response to the Israeli Air Force strike deep inside its territory last week, according to a Kuwait newspaper. Damascus has not issued a confirmation or denial.

More details of the IAF strike are being leaked in international media. One report has stated that five planes were involved in the strike, which was intended on nuclear material that was provided by North Korea. Also targeted were Iranian-supplied missiles destined for Hizbullah terrorists. [Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

Now THAT would make a "great hole in the desert"" as was reported last night!

458 BenZacharia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:10:09am

Storage...

Does the author also find it suspicious that stores are closed on Christmas Day, right at the height of the largest shopping season?

459 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:10:48am

re: #457 galloping granny
Secret weapon...cloned Planes.

460 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:11:32am

re: #458 BenZacharia

Storage...

Does the author also find it suspicious that stores are closed on Christmas Day, right at the height of the largest shopping season?


lol

461 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:15:06am

Must run early today as I find myself in between my mother and daughter, needing to "do-for" both of them.


Hey look! It's a littleoldlady sandwich!

To ALL: L'shanah tovah - May you be inscribed for a sweet year of good health, happiness and prosperity!

462 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:15:46am

Good morning, Lizards.

463 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:17:22am

re: #455 BenZacharia

"Test results of the new airborne weapon have shown that its efficiency and power is commensurate with a nuclear weapon," he said.

"The main destruction is inflicted by an ultrasonic shockwave and an incredibly high temperature," ORT added.

"All that is alive merely evaporates."

Despite its destructive qualities, the bomb is environmentally friendly, Gen Rushkin said.
Ben,
It is wonderful knowing that someone has finally invented some nuclear comparable devices that are environmentally friendly, the Democrats will be thrilled..

464 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:18:55am
A suspected case of foot-and-mouth disease was found in Britain on Wednesday, the Department of Environment, Food and Rural Affairs said on its Web site. The suspected disease was found at a farm 30 miles (48 kilometers) from where an outbreak in August led to mass culls of cattle stock, the agency said.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown will chair an emergency meeting of senior officials and a pre-emptive cull of cattle in the affected area has started, British media reported.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

465 gettinby  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:19:32am

Bye for now, littleoldlady.

/you were correct on Dusty Springfield.
//seems like only yesterday.

Good morning goddessoftheclassroom!

466 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:19:59am

re: #463 ibmkeyboard

re: #455 BenZacharia


"Test results of the new airborne weapon have shown that its efficiency and power is commensurate with a nuclear weapon," he said.

"The main destruction is inflicted by an ultrasonic shockwave and an incredibly high temperature," ORT added.

"All that is alive merely evaporates."


Despite its destructive qualities, the bomb is environmentally friendly, Gen Rushkin said.
Ben,
It is wonderful knowing that someone has finally invented some nuclear comparable devices that are environmentally friendly, the Democrats will be thrilled..

A green bomb...Gore should be happy.

467 BenZacharia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:20:03am

re: #460 storagemanager

Do ya think they post that every week? El Al last flew on shabat, when?

468 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:23:04am

re: #467 BenZacharia

re: #460 storagemanager

Do ya think they post that every week? El Al last flew on shabat, when?


Maybe the Muslims will attack that day...to throw us off...I don't like that thought...maybe the writer was a Muslim.

469 BenZacharia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:23:07am

Ari Force stand down, booga, booga!

Doesn't effect? affect? combat readiness.

470 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:24:17am

re: #449 littleoldlady

re: #447 Jim in Virginia


re: #443 littleoldlady

no, dear- your 440.


Oh. I am rechristening you: {My Young Rove!}

You don't remember Dusty Springfield, eh? ;-)


If you rememebr the 60's you weren't there.
I recall the name but couldn't name one of her songs.
I know Buffalo Springfield.

471 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:24:19am

re: #465 gettinby

{gettinby}

I had the chance to do my part for journalism yesterday.

I'm now the adviser of the school paper. One of the staff did a little good new/bad news feature. One of the "bad" news items was the war in Iraw; he wrote that he was tired of the all-to-wall bad news coverage. When I met with him, I asked him explain exactly what he meant: was he tired of hearing about the war or just tired of the negative spin? (I would have let him express the former if that were how he actually felt, btw). Turns out he meant the spin, and that he and he friends want to hear the good stuff as well. I helped him revise his satement for clarity.

472 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:24:39am
IsraelNN.com) The National Council of Young Israel, representing more than of 150 synagogues in the United States and Canada, has written Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, "We must state our outrage at the Israeli government's decision to allow the Waqf to dig on the Temple Mount, destroying what appear

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

473 BenZacharia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:25:13am

The entire command — about 100,000 active-duty airmen — is standing down training flights and many* other operations as part of a command-wide safety day. -Airforce Times


*Not all

474 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:25:29am

re: #469 BenZacharia

Ari Force stand down, booga, booga!

Doesn't effect? affect? combat readiness.

Was that part true?...I thought he made it up.

475 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:26:35am

Israeli reproductive planes and environmentally friendly nuke bombs,

Love at 70,000 feet.

Morning dead thread,

donuts with sweet cream cheese and those little pieces of walnuts that cant be licked off.

476 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:28:56am

re: #471 goddessoftheclassroom

re: #465 gettinby

{gettinby}

I had the chance to do my part for journalism yesterday.

I'm now the adviser of the school paper. One of the staff did a little good new/bad news feature. One of the "bad" news items was the war in Iraw; he wrote that he was tired of the all-to-wall bad news coverage. When I met with him, I asked him explain exactly what he meant: was he tired of hearing about the war or just tired of the negative spin? (I would have let him express the former if that were how he actually felt, btw). Turns out he meant the spin, and that he and he friends want to hear the good stuff as well. I helped him revise his satement for clarity.

Good for you, Goddess! If not for you he might have turned into a loon. How's things?

477 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:31:19am

re: #473 BenZacharia

The entire command — about 100,000 active-duty airmen — is standing down training flights and many* other operations as part of a command-wide safety day. -Airforce Times


*Not all

Besides, even at the height of the cold war we did not have the entire USAF in the skies at one time. That is why they "scramble" the planes, which refers to hurrying up, not cooked beaten eggs.

BenZ, the effect is what you get from the affect :)

478 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:33:00am

re: #476 galloping granny

Overall, things are pretty good. Yesterday was emotiona for me--my husband's lawyer picked up the rest of his personal belongings (the term of his bond doesn't allow my husband near the house or us). I had packed them up and set them under the carport just before he came over.

I sat in the dining room and sobbed.

I know that I have to do what I'm doing, and that I TRIED everything to save my marriage. I'm just so sad that things (well, my husband, specifically) couldn't stay the way they used to be.

479 gettinby  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:33:31am

re: #471 goddessoftheclassroom

Excellent!

MSM needs to hire you.

I'm sure we can round up a few thousand letters of recommendation here at LGF.

/We can use the Lizard Letterhead!

480 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:33:46am

Laura Mansfield makes front page of dead tree WaPO
Which also notes that Bush to endorse Petraeus plan. I'm confused. The Senators all said that the Petraeus plan WAS Bush's plan.

481 BenZacharia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:34:19am

re: #474 storagemanager

AF stand down and no EL AL flights both true.


This is better

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
September 5, 2007

Presidential Message

482 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:34:46am

Uh-oh!

PA: Israel Agrees to Destroy Jewish Towns, Starting in November


by Hillel Fendel

(IsraelNN.com) The Palestinian Authority's Maan news agency has published a copy, in Hebrew, of PM Olmert's agreement to expel tens of thousands of Jews and replace them with a Palestinian state.

The report states that Israel has agreed to begin destroying Jewish towns in Judea and Samaria immediately following the US-sponsored international summit this coming November.

The PA claims that the document's eight points represent the principles of agreement between Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Fatah leader Mahmoud Abbas, in anticipation of the upcoming Middle East summit.

The document begins by stating that Israel and the PA are to immediately enter a process "that will lead to the formation of two states, Israel and Palestine, side by side," and are "to reach understandings of the type detailed below." The eight points upon which Olmert and Abbas undertake to agree are the following:

1. Israel will end the occupation of the West Bank within an agreed-upon time period. The retreat and the evacuation of the settlements will occur gradually and in several stages. Each area that is evacuated will be transferred to the Palestinian Authority, which will instill law and order there. The existence of a regime in Gaza that is willing to be part of the peace process will enable Israel to view Gaza and the West Bank as one political entity.

2. An unarmed Palestinian state will be established, whose permanent borders will be based on the pre-1967 borders. The precise border will reflect security, demographic and humanitarian needs. An exchange of territory will be enabled on a 1:1 basis, to preserve settlement blocs in Israeli hands and to guarantee Palestinian contiguity and economic development.

3. There will be two capitals in Jerusalem, that of Israel and that of Palestine, and they will be sovereign over the Jewish and Arab neighborhoods, respectively. The two municipalities will cooperate for the enhancement of the quality of life of all the residents.

4. Special arrangements will be emplaced to preserve free access to all the holy sites of the various religions. A special administration will be established to maintain the two nations' bonds with the holy sites in the Old City of Jerusalem.

5. Palestine will be recognized as the national home of the Palestinian nation, and Israel will be recognized as the national home of the Jewish nation.

6. A fair and agreed solution will be found for the problem of the Palestinian refugees, with consideration and recognition of the suffering that was caused to them, and with the understanding that the implementation of national self-definition will be the main aspect of the solution.

7. The two sides will declare their willingness to end the conflict and to act to increase public support for the agreement as much as possible. The two sides will act with all their force, together and separately, against any manifestation of violence and terrorism that is directed from the area of either state to the other.

More

483 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:36:01am

Continued from #482-

8. The two sides see this agreement as a significant manifestation of the principles of the Arab League's peace initiative, and call upon the members of the League to take operative steps to bring about its full implementation. Similarly, the sides call upon the entities represented in the Quartet and international community to guarantee and help, in various ways, to promote and actualize this agreement.

The agreement ends with this paragraph:

A document based on principles of the above type must be reached before the international summit in November, must be presented during the summit, and must be anchored in international decisions after it. Immediately following the summit, parallel with the negotiations for a detailed agreement, Israel will begin withdrawing its forces and evacuating settlements from areas in the West Bank. Completion of the various stages of evacuation will be done parallel to the completion of the negotiations.

Clauses 3 and 4 indicate that Israel has agreed to give up the Temple Mount, Judaism's most sacred spot in the world, and allow an "administration" to determine when Jews would be allowed to visit or pray there.

Clauses 1 and 2 do not take into account the tremendous amount of Arab-held weaponry already present in Judea and Samaria, nor the anti-Israel violence emanating from Gaza that increased dramatically upon Israel's withdrawal in 2005.

Clause 6 leaves open the possibility that "Right of Return" refugees would be allowed to live in Israel.

The immediate response of the Yesha Council (the body representing the Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria) was this:

"Only a government that acts so totally wantonly would be able to suggest such an agreement, precisely on the day that dozens of its soldiers are wounded from a rocket fired from area we gave over to the Palestinians.
The Yesha Council calls upon all those to whom Israel's security and welfare are of top priority to object to this calamitous process of Olmert. The Knesset Members must thwart this program, which means the division of Jerusalem, as well as Kassam rocket launchers to the outskirts of Kfar Saba and Ben Gurion International Airport."

484 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:36:49am

re: #478 goddessoftheclassroom
I am sorry for your pain...you are in my thoughts and prayers...I hope the pain fades quickly.

485 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:38:14am

Michael Gerson (not exactly a neocon) defends Gen. Petraues against Moveon.

486 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:41:02am

re: #484 storagemanager

Thank you--you're very kind. At least I'm accepting the reality of the present.

I hope you and your family are doing well, too.

487 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:41:33am

re: #478 goddessoftheclassroom

Goddess, know that a lot of folks - here and in your work and home town- are thinking of and praying for you.

488 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:43:02am

re: #483 galloping granny

Clauses 3 and 4 indicate that Israel has agreed to give up the Temple Mount, Judaism's most sacred spot in the world, and allow an "administration" to determine when Jews would be allowed to visit or pray there.

I don't know if the people of Israel will put up with this?...I feel sick.

489 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:44:12am

re: #482 galloping granny

the Palestinian Authority which will instill law and order there. The existence of a regime in Gaza that is willing to be part of the peace process will enable Israel to view Gaza and the West Bank as one political entity... An unarmed Palestinian state will be established

gasp- sorry- can't stop laughing.

What color is the sky on that planet?

490 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:45:24am

re: #487 Jim in Virginia

Thanks. I am so thankful for all those supporting me. It's just so hard to watch someone I loved so much make such STUPID, destructive choices. However, I know that I can't do anything about those choices except make good ones in response.

Have a great day, oh wonderful, caring lizards! You are the scales beneath my tummmy...

/doesn't sound quite as poetic as "wind beneath my wings," but you get the idea...

491 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:47:20am

re: #489 Jim in Virginia

re: #482 galloping granny

the Palestinian Authority which will instill law and order there. The existence of a regime in Gaza that is willing to be part of the peace process will enable Israel to view Gaza and the West Bank as one political entity... An unarmed Palestinian state will be established

gasp- sorry- can't stop laughing.

What color is the sky on that planet?

I agree. UNfortunately, it seems that unless the Israelis get rid of Olmert and company post haste, this might be a "done deal." Gonna make rowboats pretty darned expensive in Israel.

492 Widow'smight  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:50:21am

Goddessoftheclassroom,

Live is all about change, and your husband obviously changed his feelings towards you. What you are going through will suck for awhile, then gradually, you'll develop the relationships you need to overcome. Unfortunately, you'll always have that doubt in the back of your mind about things not working out if you meet someone else.
Some Scraggly Missionary once told us God won't give us anything we can't handle, I got through it, now have a wonderful wife of 12 years and another daughter.

I'm sure your just as tough as me, you'll be ok eventually.

Went to Kennywood over Labor day Weekend, you folks around Pittsburgh sure eat some fattening foods in large quantities! Ate one of those Piles of fresh cut fries with melted cheddar and bacon at the PATCH in Kennywood.

493 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:52:56am

re: #491 galloping granny

Where's the part of the agreement about holding hands and singing Kum Ba Yah?

494 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:55:56am

re: #493 Jim in Virginia

re: #491 galloping granny

Where's the part of the agreement about holding hands and singing Kum Ba Yah?

My one "consolation" in this is that the PA published it, not the Israeli government. Of course that has a dark side. If it is true, the Olmert is a traitor who deserves to be drawn & quartered. If it is false, then the arab perception is going to be that the Jews are a perfidious lot of double crossers. BIG excuse for another war to "free Jerusalem."

495 gettinby  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:56:55am

re: #493 Jim in Virginia

re: #491 galloping granny

Where's the part of the agreement about holding hands and singing Kum Ba Yah?

Perhaps they're waiting for the palestinians to sign off on that part of the agreement?

/The whole thing is horrific. :(

496 gettinby  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:58:06am

re: #492 Widow'smight

Wow! Hey there Widow!

How's your zucchini doing? LOL

497 BenZacharia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:58:17am

Waiting to see when Pres. GWB issues this years Ramadamadingdong greeting.

498 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 3:58:38am
Advisors to Syrian President Bashar Assad are pressuring him to respond to the alleged IAF attack by "landing a blow to an Israeli target," The Kuwaiti daily Al-Jareeda reported Wednesday.

According to the report, Israel targeted long-range missile batteries that were brought to Syria from Iran.

The report said that five IAF fighter jets carried out the attack

Damascus shall cease to be a city...forever... [Link: www.jpost.com...]

499 ziggyelman  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:01:10am

Putiy poot to desolve government?

500 gettinby  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:01:46am

Just heard on Fox Cable that Putin has dissolved the entire government!

501 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:02:40am

FNC: Putin's dissolved the Russian government? When does he start rounding up the dissidents?

502 Widow'smight  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:02:54am

re: #496 gettinby

Still growing my dear!

Hope your new USS Endeavor is going well. Has it cooled off down there yet? Supposed to be 75 with low humbledidity up here today. Rained the last couple of days, I'll need to use my Climate unfreindly grass cutting device to trim it. Got any extra Carbon Credits?

503 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:03:03am
WASHINGTON — Rep. Dennis Kucinich, Democratic presidential candidate and no stranger to contrarian views, was the sole congressman Tuesday to vote against the House's Sept. 11 commemoration resolution.

Tuesday's nonbinding resolution was a relatively short document. It had 12 "whereas" clauses — stating things like what happened the day of the terrorist attacks, who was affected and how terrorists have been targeted since then — and six resolution paragraphs establishing Sept. 11 as a day of remembrance, extending sympathies to families of victims who died and honoring those who have fought in Afghanistan and Iraq


That man is full of hate for America. [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

504 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:04:04am

re: #501 MandyManners

FNC: Putin's dissolved the Russian government? When does he start rounding up the dissidents?

shocked...this is not good news.

505 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:05:03am

re: #503 storagemanager

WASHINGTON — Rep. Dennis Kucinich, Democratic presidential candidate and no stranger to contrarian views, was the sole congressman Tuesday to vote against the House's Sept. 11 commemoration resolution.Tuesday's nonbinding resolution was a relatively short document. It had 12 "whereas" clauses — stating things like what happened the day of the terrorist attacks, who was affected and how terrorists have been targeted since then — and six resolution paragraphs establishing Sept. 11 as a day of remembrance, extending sympathies to families of victims who died and honoring those who have fought in Afghanistan and Iraq


That man is full of hate for America. [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

How can you possibly say that against a fine, upstanding American citizen who is running for President?

/sarc

506 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:05:47am

re: #491 galloping granny

I agree. UNfortunately, it seems that unless the Israelis get rid of Olmert and company post haste, this might be a "done deal." Gonna make rowboats pretty darned expensive in Israel.


Hey everybody, Olmert is giving away Israel,
we need to get out our covered wagons and go rush for free land..

507 ziggyelman  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:06:12am

only mentioned on Fox, as far as In can tell...not even on google a few minutes ago

508 BenZacharia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:08:08am

Putin
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

509 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:08:11am
DEVELOPING STORY: Russian news agencies cite the Kremlin as saying that President Vladimir Putin dissolved the government Wednesday.

Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Fradkov asked the Kremlin to dissolve his government, Russian news agencies reported, with less than three months remaining before parliamentary elections.

Fradkov made the decision based on "the approaching major political events in the country and a desire to give the president full freedom in making decisions, including personnel," Fradkov was quoted by ITAR-Tass as saying. A Kremlin spokesman could not immediately comment on the report


It is almost...the way Hitler did it. [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

510 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:08:40am

re: #507 ziggyelman

only mentioned on Fox, as far as In can tell...not even on google a few minutes ago

BBC has now

511 gettinby  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:09:30am

re: #502 Widow'smight

Still hot and sticky here. :(

Whether or not our decision is a good one is still a HUGE questionmark!

/As a wise man once said...we are not given more than we can handle. ;)

Please tell everyone I miss them terribly.

I've pawned my carbon credits to pay for the new "venture." LOL

512 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:10:32am

re: #504 storagemanager

re: #501 MandyManners


FNC: Putin's dissolved the Russian government? When does he start rounding up the dissidents?

shocked...this is not good news.

I'm trying not to worry but, until we hear more, it is really crappy news! The duma election is in December but, dissolving the government is not a requirement of that.

513 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:10:55am

re: #509 storagemanager

DEVELOPING STORY: Russian news agencies cite the Kremlin as saying that President Vladimir Putin dissolved the government Wednesday.Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Fradkov asked the Kremlin to dissolve his government, Russian news agencies reported, with less than three months remaining before parliamentary elections.

Fradkov made the decision based on "the approaching major political events in the country and a desire to give the president full freedom in making decisions, including personnel," Fradkov was quoted by ITAR-Tass as saying. A Kremlin spokesman could not immediately comment on the report


It is almost...the way Hitler did it. [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

"give the president full freedom in making decisions" - does this mean he has been declared a dictator for the next three months? Sure what it appears to be to me.

514 Widow'smight  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:11:15am

re: #506 ibmkeyboard

Are you gonna start a football team and call your self the Ilostmyhoma Sooners?

515 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:12:35am

re: #513 galloping granny

re: #509 storagemanager


DEVELOPING STORY: Russian news agencies cite the Kremlin as saying that President Vladimir Putin dissolved the government Wednesday.Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Fradkov asked the Kremlin to dissolve his government, Russian news agencies reported, with less than three months remaining before parliamentary elections.
Fradkov made the decision based on "the approaching major political events in the country and a desire to give the president full freedom in making decisions, including personnel," Fradkov was quoted by ITAR-Tass as saying. A Kremlin spokesman could not immediately comment on the report

It is almost...the way Hitler did it. [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

"give the president full freedom in making decisions" - does this mean he has been declared a dictator for the next three months? Sure what it appears to be to me.

That is why it reminds me of Hitler...

516 BabbaZee  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:13:07am

re: #509 storagemanager

HOLY SHIT

517 BenZacharia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:13:34am

He didn't suspended the Parliament.

...dissolve his government./blockquote>

518 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:13:55am

re: #514 Widow'smight

re: #506 ibmkeyboard

Are you gonna start a football team and call your self the Ilostmyhoma Sooners?

The heck of the thing is that the Israeli government has STILL not done right by all those people they forcibly evicted from their homes in Gaza. Last I heard there were a whole bunch of them still homeless. Still waiting for the UNHCR to declare THEM refugees!

519 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:14:29am

re: #516 BabbaZee

re: #509 storagemanager

HOLY SHIT


The KING of the North!

520 BabbaZee  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:14:46am
521 Widow'smight  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:15:45am

re: #511 gettinby

As long as the decision to marry Mr BestBuy was a good one, you'll be ok. Besides, you can always come up here and start over. We have houses with Basements and Without Coccaroaches.

522 BabbaZee  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:15:47am

re: #517 BenZacharia

Everyone needs a beard.

523 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:15:47am

re: #517 BenZacharia

He didn't suspended the Parliament.


...dissolve his government./blockquote>


yet

524 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:16:45am

re: #504 storagemanager

I blame Bush.
Maybe Putin can borrow some of the concentration camps that Hallliburton is building here

525 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:16:51am

re: #517 BenZacharia

He didn't suspended the Parliament.

...dissolve his government./blockquote>

I would not rely on that "his" - other headlines and stories say "the government." Of course being American I am not 100% positive just how much of the government dissolving it gets you. We don't get to dissolve ours, though we do have the right to overthrow it.

526 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:17:06am

re: #524 Jim in Virginia

re: #504 storagemanager

I blame Bush.
Maybe Putin can borrow some of the concentration camps that Hallliburton is building here


lol

527 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:18:37am

re: #513 galloping granny

Why stop at three months?!

528 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:18:42am
Breaking NewsAP: Powerful earthquake causes tall buildings to sway in Indonesia's capital

What a news day...wow... [Link: www.cnn.com...]

529 BabbaZee  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:18:59am

Putin

L'Shanah Tovah all ye whore and beast MFers of the Global Dhimming

going to do my New Year post

BBIAFM

530 chief long name  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:19:22am

re: #482 galloping granny

I call point six "Right of Return" couched in Diplobabblespeak.
/aint' gonna' fly

531 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:21:27am
Russian President Vladimir Putin has accepted the resignation of Prime Minister Mikhail Fradkov and his entire government, the Kremlin has said.
Mr Fradkov offered to resign, citing "approaching significant political events", said Tass news agency.

He said he wanted to give President Putin "full freedom of decision including staff decisions", Tass said.

Analysts say Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov could now become PM, six months before a presidential election.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

532 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:21:39am

re: #530 chief long name

re: #482 galloping granny

I call point six "Right of Return" couched in Diplobabblespeak.
/aint' gonna' fly

You are right except for this -

#494 galloping granny 9/12/07 3:55:56 am reply quote report 0

re: #493 Jim in Virginia

re: #491 galloping granny

Where's the part of the agreement about holding hands and singing Kum Ba Yah?

My one "consolation" in this is that the PA published it, not the Israeli government. Of course that has a dark side. If it is true, the Olmert is a traitor who deserves to be drawn & quartered. If it is false, then the arab perception is going to be that the Jews are a perfidious lot of double crossers. BIG excuse for another war to "free Jerusalem."

533 Widow'smight  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:22:12am

re: #518 galloping granny

Israel's government and media is their own worst enemy (Kinda like here!). They might be able to work through their differences with each other, but when you have 1.5 billion people who have been trained since birth to hate you ...

Until Israel as a majority decide the Muslims are their mortal enemies and not someone they can negociate with, they're in trouble.

534 cybermonk  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:22:44am

re: #160 cbinflux

thats not unusual, World Savings does loans for foreign nationals all the time, sometimes only an EIN is needed, the requirements are usually 75%LTV and three months PITI and they get a house. Several other banks do similar.

535 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:23:51am

re: #498 storagemanager

Advisors to Syrian President Bashar Assad are pressuring him to respond to the alleged IAF attack by "landing a blow to an Israeli target," The Kuwaiti daily Al-Jareeda reported Wednesday.

Damascus flies a kite over the Tel Aviv beach with a banner: " Israel sucks."
More than that and the IDF will really show Assad the muscle.
Assad is all hat and no cattle.
536 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:24:09am

re: #533 Widow'smight

re: #518 galloping granny

Israel's government and media is their own worst enemy (Kinda like here!). They might be able to work through their differences with each other, but when you have 1.5 billion people who have been trained since birth to hate you ...

Until Israel as a majority decide the Muslims are their mortal enemies and not someone they can negociate with, they're in trouble.

They used to know that pretty well. Funny they forgot.

537 nonic  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:26:38am

re: #521 Widow'smight

Widow, good mornng. So my tomato plants look like crap, the bottom branches withered and yellow, yuck. I've continued to water them, even started adding fertilizer, the sun keeps shining. There are little green balls on the plants, but the alleged tomatoes don't grow and/or turn red.

I figure this is just the life cycle. Is that correct? Is this what to expect as the plants approach the end of the season and get ready to become compost?

:-)

538 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:26:45am

re: #536 galloping granny

re: #533 Widow'smight


re: #518 galloping granny

Israel's government and media is their own worst enemy (Kinda like here!). They might be able to work through their differences with each other, but when you have 1.5 billion people who have been trained since birth to hate you ...
Israel is a rotten, dried tree that will be annihilated in one storm." President Ahmadinejad
Until Israel as a majority decide the Muslims are their mortal enemies and not someone they can negociate with, they're in trouble.


They used to know that pretty well. Funny they forgot.
539 lurknomore  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:27:18am

Good morning !

What are the "significant major political events" that are about to occur in Russia?

540 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:27:22am

re: #538 storagemanager

lol...I messed that up.

541 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:28:11am

re: #530 chief long name

Doesn't matter. Abbas won't sign that thing, neither wll the Saudis.
If Abbas does sign, it still doesn't matter- he can't enforce it.
It's just diplomatic posturing. Means as much as a girl at the bar giving you her phone number.
It ain't really her number.
And she's not really a girl.

542 BenZacharia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:28:16am

The Fox headline is BS hype. PM ASKS Pooty for permission to dissolve HIS own gov, and Pooty gives permission.

543 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:28:43am

re: #539 lurknomore

Good morning !

What are the "significant major political events" that are about to occur in Russia?

Been wondering that myself. Though I think they are world events rather than Russia-only events.

544 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:29:22am

re: #537 nonic

Nonic! Got any muffins?

545 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:29:51am

re: #528 storagemanager

Breaking NewsAP: Powerful earthquake causes tall buildings to sway in Indonesia's capital

What a news day...wow... [Link: www.cnn.com...]


It was a 7.9 Indonesiia issues tsunami alert...this is very bad.
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

546 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:30:31am

re: #543 galloping granny

Parliamentery elections are scheduled in three months.

547 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:30:32am

re: #541 Jim in Virginia

re: #530 chief long name

Doesn't matter. Abbas won't sign that thing, neither wll the Saudis.
If Abbas does sign, it still doesn't matter- he can't enforce it.
It's just diplomatic posturing. Means as much as a girl at the bar giving you her phone number.
It ain't really her number.
And she's not really a girl.

Like I said Jim, this coming from the PA government leads me to believe that it is really just an excuse for military action in a big way - those perfidious lying Jews you know.

548 Widow'smight  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:31:24am

re: #536 galloping granny

I'm sure Economic considerations (Huge foreign investments in Israel) are playing a large part in their decisions not to secure their country. The Arabs/Muslims don't worry about the welfare of their people though.

At some point, Israel as a nation will have to decide to bag those economic considerations and preserve their country.

549 gettinby  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:31:36am

Hope y'all have as good a day as possible.

I'm looking forward to today's threads. Some very interesting links and news so far this morning.

Off to work!

550 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:33:55am

re: #539 lurknomore

Duma elections in December and presidential elections next year. From what I've read/heard, this will allow Putin to pick his successor.

551 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:34:06am
JAKARTA, Indonesia - A powerful earthquake hit Indonesia on Wednesday, causing buildings to sway in the capital, and authorities issued a tsunami warning.

The earthquake had a preliminary magnitude of 7.9, the Indonesian Meteorological Institute said. It said a tsunami alert had been issued.

Please check back for more details on this breaking news story.

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

552 chief long name  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:34:33am

re: #532 galloping granny

re: #541 Jim in Virginia

Agreed on both points.

553 Widow'smight  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:34:46am

re: #537 nonic

Sounds like your Tomato plants have run their course. Usually, they'll produce from the bottom upwards, and they die off the same way.

I wouldn't throw them in YOUR compost, they might be carrying disease and bugs.

How ya doin beautiful?

554 BenZacharia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:35:31am

7.9-Magnitude Quake Rocks Jakarta, Tusnami Warning Issued for Indonesia

Indonesia? As in most populated 'slime country? I'll pray for the innocent, ie those who love The Word, there done, now what?

555 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:36:14am
The dissolution is expected to result in a new head of government, who will be seen as Putin’s choice to succeed him after he steps down next spring. The shakeup comes ahead of crucial parliamentary elections scheduled for December 2, followed some three months later by presidential elections.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

556 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:37:55am

re: #551 storagemanager

JAKARTA, Indonesia - A powerful earthquake hit Indonesia on Wednesday, causing buildings to sway in the capital, and authorities issued a tsunami warning.
The earthquake had a preliminary magnitude of 7.9, the Indonesian Meteorological Institute said. It said a tsunami alert had been issued.

Please check back for more details on this breaking news story.


[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Fell asleep last night watching the HC show on Krakatoa.

557 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:38:15am

US Warned

The new head of Iran's Revolutionary Guards yesterday warned the US that Tehran has identified its "weak points" in Iraq and Afghanistan and would launch a crushing response to any attack. The comments by Mohammad Ali Jaafari, appointed head of the elite force by the supreme leader just 10 days ago, come amid mounting tensions between Tehran and Washington over Iran's controversial nuclear drive and its role in Iraq.

"The Revolutionary Guards have identified all the weak points of the enemy in Iraq and Afghanistan and based on this have consolidated the defensive capabilities of the country," General Jaafari said.

"And if the enemy wants to take any impudent action the Islamic republic will for sure give a decisive and teeth-breaking response,"

558 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:39:54am

re: #537 nonic

re: #521 Widow'smight

Widow, good mornng. So my tomato plants look like crap, the bottom branches withered and yellow, yuck. I've continued to water them, even started adding fertilizer, the sun keeps shining. There are little green balls on the plants, but the alleged tomatoes don't grow and/or turn red.

I figure this is just the life cycle. Is that correct? Is this what to expect as the plants approach the end of the season and get ready to become compost?

:-)

Sounds like the end of the season to me too. You do not actually have to pull the plants until there is a frost. If you leave those tomatoes until you get a frost warning in your area, some of them will ripen in the meantime and you can collect the rest before the frost. Turn the greenies into Fried Green Tomatoes, or Green Tomato Pickles/Relish if you're a canner. Or do what my Grandpa did in the days before Cali tomatoes in January - wrap them each in tissue and place them in a single layer in a box or bushel basket. Keep in a coolish dark place like the cellar. Every day or two bring one up to ripen on a counter top. They will last almost till Christmas.

559 nonic  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:40:27am

re: #544 Jim in Virginia

What kind ya want, hon?

560 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:42:12am

re: #8 Wyatt Junker

It was nuance not nuisance.

/St. JFK

561 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:43:29am

Blueberry?re: #559 nonic

Blueberry?

562 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:44:15am

re: #557 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

"And if the enemy wants to take any impudent action the Islamic republic will for sure give a decisive and teeth-breaking response,"

YaddaYaddaYadda.

I'll give him a "C" for Blustering 101.

563 nonic  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:44:17am

re: #553 Widow'smight

re: #537 nonic

Sounds like your Tomato plants have run their course. Usually, they'll produce from the bottom upwards, and they die off the same way.

So my instincts were good. That's what I sort of figured.

I wouldn't throw them in YOUR compost, they might be carrying disease and bugs.

Actually, I don't have compost. They'll go in the garbage.

How ya doin beautiful?

A lot better with that kind of attention. :->

564 BenZacharia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:44:42am

We used to protect them through a coupla frosts, then pull them up by the roots and move into the garage, where we hung them upside down till the temp became too low..

565 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:44:45am

I just glanced at this before I leave for work.

“[W]e are all part of the same human story,” says NY governor.

Yeah. True. Stories have villains and antagonists. Plot development usually has the hero/protagonist figuring out how to kick the antagonist's a$$.

The human story is often violent and disturbed. We all wish we could hold hands around a campfire and recite to each other our favorite poems about springtime (OK—that's too sappy). Protagonists act according to the danger, the ill-will, presented by the antagonist. When the protagonist fails, gets side tracked, loses his nerve, we call that story a tragedy. Are you asking us to be part of your tragedy?

566 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:44:50am
And if the enemy wants to take any impudent action the Islamic republic will for sure give a decisive and teeth-breaking response

Sounds like they're prepared to pelt us with large quantities of Gum Balls.

567 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:45:47am

Koreans say beaten by Taliban in conversion attempts

Nupe, not the least bit of compulsion within Islam.

568 3 wood  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:47:42am

Good Morning Lizards.

Forgive me if this was linked already.

S Koreans told 'convert or die'

A group of South Koreans held hostage by Taleban militants in Afghanistan have said they were beaten and ordered at gunpoint to convert to Islam.
At a news conference in Seoul, the former captives also said they were made to work "like slaves" during their six-week ordeal.

Twenty-one members of the group were freed last month following an agreement between South Korea and the captors.

Two of the hostages - all Christian aid workers - had already been killed.

You won't hear a word of criticism from the left on this, after all it was only Christians that got killed. I guess this was a "faliure of human understanding" too.

569 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:48:46am

This is getting very bad...

Breaking NewsTwo powerful earthquakes reported in Indonesia with preliminary magnitudes of 7.8 and 8.0. Tsunami alert issued.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

570 nonic  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:49:30am

re: #558 galloping granny

Wow. Great information and advice. Thanks muy mucho!

Widow -- you, too. Thanks!

571 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:51:17am

China 'hacked Australian government computers'

CHINA has allegedly tried to hack into highly classified government computer networks in Australia and New Zealand as part of a broader international operation to glean military secrets from Western nations.

The Howard Government yesterday would neither confirm nor deny that its agencies, including the Defence Department, had been subject to cyber attack from China, but government sources acknowledge that thwarting such assaults is a continuous challenge.

"It's a serious problem, it's ongoing and it's real," one senior government source said.

Western intelligence experts say that China has also targeted the US, Canada, Germany and Japan as part of its global intelligence-gathering effort.

572 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:51:25am

re: #567 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Koreans say beaten by Taliban in conversion attempts

Nupe, not the least bit of compulsion within Islam.

For once even the Beeb did better than that lousy excuse for a headline! In a pigs flying moment, the BBC actually told it like it is -


S Koreans told 'convert or die'
Former South Korean hostages at news conference (12/09/07)
The former hostages said they thought they would be killed
A group of South Koreans held hostage by Taleban militants in Afghanistan have said they were beaten and ordered at gunpoint to convert to Islam.


[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

573 lucius septimius  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:52:22am

Mornin' all. Another warm one in Chambodia. Rained much of last night, so it is mug-gy here today.

Oldest son had a football game last night -- they lost, but the defense looked tough. He had two tackles, one for a loss. Something heartening about seeing a 48 pound kid drive back one a head taller and 20 pounds heavier and then take down the running back the bigger kid was supposed to be blocking for.

How's everyone today?

574 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:52:52am
Second quake measuring 7.9 hits Indonesia's Sumatra

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

575 American Soldier  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:53:04am

In case I don't get to it later, a healthy and happy New Year to all of Lizardia.

/yes, the Left are traitors
//yes, troofers are nuts
///yes, islam is trying to kill or enslave us

576 Widow'smight  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:54:07am

re: #563 nonic

You are beautiful, remember, beauty is in the eyes of the Betypin. If your only half as perty on the outside as your inside, you'd be a honey.

I have a big compost pile, and lots of flower beds.

My dahlias are unbelievable right now, especially the white ones.

577 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:54:30am

re: #566 Cap'n DOC

And if the enemy wants to take any impudent action the Islamic republic will for sure give a decisive and teeth-breaking response

Sounds like they're prepared to pelt us with large quantities of Gum Balls.

As long as they don't taunt us in a silly accent.

578 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:54:39am

'Mom,' 'dad,' targeted by California bias ban
'Parents want fundamentals, not indoctrination about sex'

"LAUSD policy instructs schools to provided access to restroom and locker room facilities that 'corresponds to the gender identity that the student consistently asserts at school.' If a male student 'consistently asserts' himself as a female at school, he will be granted access to female restrooms and locker rooms. This poses a serious danger to the safety of young female students," Turney said.

579 lucius septimius  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:56:20am

From todays WSJ: Petraeus Takes the Beltway: Political progress--in Iraq and the U.S--follows military success.

So the two men best qualified to give an honest and comprehensive account of events in Iraq have marched through Congress to say--and show--that the surge is working and America's goals are still within reach. Yet it's a sign of the U.S. political debate that their evidence of progress seemed to make the headlines in none of our leading news sources yesterday.

Instead, the "news" seems to be that General David Petraeus has recommended that some 5,000 U.S. troops can rotate out of Iraq by the end of this year, and that U.S. forces might be able to return to pre-surge levels by next July if progress continues. That's no small matter, but it obscures the larger message of the testimony by the General and Ambassador Ryan Crocker. To wit: The U.S. is gaining ground in Iraq--often in the least expected of ways.

The article goes on to chronicle some of those ways; key point is that violence is down, car bombings alone are down 50%, and that society is stabilizing. These comments towards the end caught my eye:

One element that's still missing is the non-interference of Iraq's neighbors in its affairs. With Democratic Presidential hopeful Dennis Kucinich paying court this week in Damascus, it was especially useful to hear General Petraeus describe Syria's role in Iraq as "malign" and provide specific details of Iran's killing of U.S. soldiers and Iraqi government leaders. Our own sources say Iranian-backed forces are now responsible for 70% of U.S. casualties. The problem of Iran in Iraq is worth another editorial, but as the surge continues President Bush is going to have to get far more serious about proving to Tehran that there really are "consequences" for killing Americans. So far Mr. Bush has shown the opposite.

As for U.S. politics, the lesson of the last few months is that the way to gain ground on Capitol Hill is not with the promise of troop withdrawals. As our experience in Vietnam showed, such withdrawals quickly become a Congressional addiction. All Americans want fewer troops in Iraq; most Americans also want that drawdown to be honorable and victorious. The way to stop, or slow, the calls for too-rapid withdrawal is to succeed in making further military and political progress in Iraq.

The success of the surge so far has bought Mr. Bush more time and support to press the initiative in Baghdad and the larger Middle East. He owes it to General Petraeus and U.S. troops to exploit this opening on every front--including Syria and Iran.

580 daughter of patriots  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:56:42am

Russia tests powerful, politically-correct "dad of all bombs":

Unlike a nuclear weapon, the bomb doesn't hurt the environment, he added.

581 lucius septimius  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:57:11am

re: #577 MandyManners

re: #566 Cap'n DOC

And if the enemy wants to take any impudent action the Islamic republic will for sure give a decisive and teeth-breaking response


Sounds like they're prepared to pelt us with large quantities of Gum Balls.

As long as they don't taunt us in a silly accent.

"Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!"

582 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:57:56am
JAKARTA (Reuters) - An earthquake measuring 8.O struck Indonesia's Sumatra region on Wednesday, the United States Geological Survey said.

The quake had the potential to cause a tsunami, an Indonesian meteorological agency official said, putting the magnitude at 7.9.

Some offices in Jakarta were evacuated after the tremors were felt. Witnesses in Singapore and Thailand said they also felt the quake.


[Link: www.reuters.com...]

583 nonic  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:58:20am

re: #561 Jim in Virginia

Blueberry muffins.

By special request today, since we had an alergy problem with yesterday's coconut pineapple. (A few left over, if anyone wants them. A little stalish, but not bad.)

584 BenZacharia  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:58:23am

TTFN™, gonna pick some apples and iratate some bees for honey and bake a turban of bread.

585 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 4:59:41am

The Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre issued a tsunami alert for the entire Indian Ocean region following the latest quake. [Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

586 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:01:06am

re: #581 lucius septimius

re: #577 MandyManners


re: #566 Cap'n DOC

And if the enemy wants to take any impudent action the Islamic republic will for sure give a decisive and teeth-breaking response

Sounds like they're prepared to pelt us with large quantities of Gum Balls.

As long as they don't taunt us in a silly accent.

"Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!"

But, were they anarcho-syndicalists?

587 southernborn  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:01:10am

No, Governor...I beg to differ. A human misunderstanding might cause some hurt feelings.Not murder. But the victims of 9/11 were a larger continuation of what you call MISUNDERSTANDING. How about I come over there and saw off your head? Do you believe your family would think it was a misunderstanding? Did you have friends/family in the WTC? Do you have relatives/friends fighting for your stupid ass right now?

YOU,Kerry..Kennedy...different shades of pure studidity. God only knows why Mass. keeps putting you sobs into office. Die

588 lucius septimius  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:01:28am

re: #578 TimeQuake

'Mom,' 'dad,' targeted by California bias ban
'Parents want fundamentals, not indoctrination about sex'

"LAUSD policy instructs schools to provided access to restroom and locker room facilities that 'corresponds to the gender identity that the student consistently asserts at school.' If a male student 'consistently asserts' himself as a female at school, he will be granted access to female restrooms and locker rooms. This poses a serious danger to the safety of young female students," Turney said.

Why TF do we have to bow to the insane rantings of people who are obviously deranged and who make up a minuscule part of the population? Why is it that .1% at best of the population gets to dictate terms to the rest of us? Yet one more reason to home school. Shrug, people, shrug.

No wonder we have problems dealing with terrorists with guns when we are so effing impotent against domestic terrorists armed only with placards and trany gear.

589 cybermonk  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:01:59am

re: #464 storagemanager

that doesn't surprise me, there have been cases of foot and mouth disease in Washington D

590 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:02:15am

re: #580 daughter of patriots

Russia tests powerful, politically-correct "dad of all bombs":

Unlike a nuclear weapon, the bomb doesn't hurt the environment, he added.

Well, that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy this bright, beautiful morning.

591 lucius septimius  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:02:20am

re: #586 MandyManners

re: #581 lucius septimius

re: #577 MandyManners


re: #566 Cap'n DOC


And if the enemy wants to take any impudent action the Islamic republic will for sure give a decisive and teeth-breaking response


Sounds like they're prepared to pelt us with large quantities of Gum Balls.


As long as they don't taunt us in a silly accent.


"Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!"

But, were they anarcho-syndicalists?

"Look! I'm being oppressed! See the violence inherent in the system!"

Hee Hee

592 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:02:38am

re: #578 TimeQuake

'Mom,' 'dad,' targeted by California bias ban
'Parents want fundamentals, not indoctrination about sex'

"LAUSD policy instructs schools to provided access to restroom and locker room facilities that 'corresponds to the gender identity that the student consistently asserts at school.' If a male student 'consistently asserts' himself as a female at school, he will be granted access to female restrooms and locker rooms. This poses a serious danger to the safety of young female students," Turney said.

The safety and need for privacy of young female students is of absolutely no importance. It is the overwhelming need of the tiny minority that must rule all. Majority belief and opinion must be obliterated.

By the way, this type of flap in the public schools started in Lexington, MA, a year or two ago when a father refused to have his son indoctrinated to acceptance of a gay lifestyle in kindergarten. As an upshot, he was banned from school property - which means that he was deprived of his right to vote. In MA nearly all polling places are at schools.

593 nonic  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:03:06am

re: #564 BenZacharia

Thanks. That's sounds like a little more than my gardening assistants would want to do, though. :-)

594 lucius septimius  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:03:19am

re: #586 MandyManners

How are you this morning, beautiful? Two kids still asleep, so I have a bit of time before all hell breaks loose.

595 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:04:26am

re: #589 cybermonk

re: #464 storagemanager

that doesn't surprise me, there have been cases of foot and mouth disease in Washington D

lol

596 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:05:36am

re: #591 lucius septimius

I wish they would regroup now. We need the satire! Can you imagine the hilarity in a sketch about the return of the mahdi?

597 nonic  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:06:21am

re: #576 Widow'smight

{Widow}

598 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:06:39am

Iran's IAEA plan may be recipe for delay says EU

EU powers appreciated inspector efforts to life the veil of secrecy on Iran's nuclear history, he said.

"(But) we do not only need clarity about Iran's nuclear past. We have to have full trust that Iran refrains now and in the future from any military nuclear activities."

Gottwald said the EU remained open to negotiations on trade benefits for Iran if it shelved enrichment activity first. Iran has rejected that precondition as undermining its sovereignty.

The "EU-3" looked to ElBaradei rendering judgment by the next IAEA board meeting in November "at the latest" whether Iran was coming clean on research to develop advanced centrifuges machines for enrichment, he said.

A senior diplomat close to the IAEA said the EU line was "short-sighted, overly hardline and not helpful. It's harmful for the IAEA as an institution".

599 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:06:53am
600 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:07:13am

Darryl Holton got juiced this a.m. in Tennessee. Killed the kids in the midst of a custody dispute--the girl wasn't even his! I wonder why he chose the chair instead of the needle. Feeling guilty?

601 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:07:25am

Dead Man Squawking: Fidel Goes Troofer

"Studying the impact of planes, similar to those that hit the Twin Towers, that had accidentally fallen on densely populated cities, one concludes that it was not a plane that crashed into the Pentagon," Castro said.

Another tale from the crypt.

Him and Osama ought to do a duet together.

602 lucius septimius  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:07:31am

I posted this last night, but it's worth reposting for the benefit of this lovely and intelligent crowd. From yesterday's BotW, some comments on the surge and on an article by Norman Podhoretz (high priest of neoconism) on the stupidity of the left.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, Gen. David Petraeus is testifying on Capitol Hill this week on the results of the new strategy in Iraq, which are encouraging. Success in Iraq poses a problem for Democrats, who have been attempting to satisfy their base, which wants to see America lose, while also winning over enough normal Americans, who don't want America to lose, to expand their congressional majorities and maybe even win the presidency.

In order for the Democrats to satisfy both constituencies, America has to lose in Iraq (making the base happy) but the Democrats must not be seen as having brought about defeat (making the normal Americans unhappy with the Republicans). This explains the passive-aggressive approach the Democrats have been taking to Iraq, complaining endlessly about how America is doomed to lose but never taking the kind of bold action the base wants to make defeat a reality.

On Saturday The Politico reported that Democratic lawmakers are hoping that others will smear Petraeus for them:

"No one wants to call [Petraeus] a liar on national TV," noted one Democratic senator, who spoke on the condition on anonymity. "The expectation is that the outside groups will do this for us."

The outside groups came through, although the Democrats may not be entirely happy with the manner in which they did so. As CNN reports, the far-left, pro-defeat organization MoveOn.org purchased an ad in yesterday's New York Times headlined "General Petraeus or General Betray Us?" In the upside-down world of the anti-American left, as Cliff May notes, it is an act of treason to refuse to accept defeat at the hands of America's enemies.

One manifestation of that "negative faith," as we've noted in the past, is that in reporting on Iraq, "the so-called mainstream media are following the Vietnam script, according to which a war is supposed to become a quagmire, which provokes opposition and leads to American withdrawal." MoveOn.org's Eli Pariser confirms this, as CNN reports:

MoveOn.org said Monday it stood by the ad completely.

"Every major independent study and many major news organizations cast serious doubt on Petraeus' claims," said Eli Pariser, executive director of MoveOn.org Political Action Committee.

In the Boston Globe, Peter Feaver likens the MoveOn ad to Sen. Joseph McCarthy's character-assassination tactics. The comparison is a fair one, though this may be an example of Marx's adage that history repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce. McCarthy was an effective demagogue, who did real damage both to innocent people and to the noble cause of anticommunism. "General Betray Us" may reflect the spirit of McCarthy, but the rhetoric is more suitable to a 2-year-old. This effort by MoveOn.org is likely to damage only its own, ignoble cause of seeking defeat for America and the people of Iraq.

603 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:08:07am
604 lucius septimius  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:08:11am

re: #596 MandyManners

They might have the balls to do it. But the BBC wouldn't let them, that's for darn sure.

605 American Soldier  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:08:44am

re: #578 TimeQuake

'Mom,' 'dad,' targeted by California bias ban
'Parents want fundamentals, not indoctrination about sex'


Well. It takes a bit to astonish me. That succeeded.

606 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:09:43am

re: #588 lucius septimius

so effing impotent against domestic terrorists armed only with placards and trany gear.

LOL

607 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:10:54am
Russian president due in Tehran in mid October: Mottaki
Moscow, Sept 12, IRNA
Russian President Vladimir Putin is to visit Iran on October 16 to attend the summit of the Caspian Sea littoral states, Iran's Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said here on Tuesday evening

[Link: www.irna.com...]

608 hmslizard  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:11:41am

Ron Paul suggests that mall security guards are doing a better job than the military in Iraq. http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=5486

609 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:12:21am

re: #592 galloping granny

Denied voting...unbelievable.

610 lurknomore  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:12:40am

here's some more great news to start the day...


[Link: www.redorbit.com...]

611 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:12:47am

re: #594 lucius septimius

I'm great. I gained a few pounds about six weeks ago but, I've lost them. My size 6P jeans fit again! I just cut out the daily, double-scoop chocolate mint ice cream cones.

Gotta' run. Need to pry The Kid outta' bed and get the day's ball rolling.

Later!

612 unclassifiable  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:12:56am

re: #603 taxfreekiller

They copied and "improved" MOAB which will probably mean that the Blackjack they send to drop it will be on a one way ticket.

/typical Soviet one-dumb-manship

613 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:15:41am

re: #605 American Soldier

re: #578 TimeQuake


'Mom,' 'dad,' targeted by California bias ban
'Parents want fundamentals, not indoctrination about sex'

Well. It takes a bit to astonish me. That succeeded.


My take - "astonishment" isn't quite a strong enough word. This school system really seems to be in "indoctrination" mode, doesn't it? What I find particularly awful about this, is that parents who can afford to send their kids to a private school will do so, and the kids who get stuck in this school system will be those disadvantaged kids who need a strong focus on the basics of learning and education - and instead, they're getting this stuff. I've seen something similar happen in our local school district. The schools are so very poor that no one sends their kids to public school unless they have absolutely no other option available, and the schools are filled with the poorest and most disadvantged kids in our population.

614 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:17:13am

Report: Several buildings collapse in Padang, Indonesia, after quake [Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

615 lucius septimius  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:17:15am

Ok, ya'll. Gotta do something useful. Be good and keep chumming the waters of indignation.

616 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:17:26am

re: #605 American Soldier

re: #578 TimeQuake

'Mom,' 'dad,' targeted by California bias ban
'Parents want fundamentals, not indoctrination about sex'


Well. It takes a bit to astonish me. That succeeded.

The biggest problem with this is that it does not affect just the lunatics in California. California is the biggest purchaser of textbooks, thus most textbook companies write their books to conform to the dictates of California curriculum. If this goes through, then within a year or two no one anywhere in the country will be able to buy new textbooks that do not conform to this crap.

617 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:19:10am

re: #611 MandyManners

re: #594 lucius septimius

I'm great. I gained a few pounds about six weeks ago but, I've lost them. My size 6P jeans fit again! I just cut out the daily, double-scoop chocolate mint ice cream cones.

Gotta' run. Need to pry The Kid outta' bed and get the day's ball rolling.

Later!

I HATE you! A size 6 might fit my left foot. Even at 103 I cannot get into anything less than a 9!

618 lurknomore  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:19:38am

some more stuff to "tickle your fancy"


[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

619 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:19:56am

re: #616 galloping granny

re: #605 American Soldier


re: #578 TimeQuake

'Mom,' 'dad,' targeted by California bias ban
'Parents want fundamentals, not indoctrination about sex'

Well. It takes a bit to astonish me. That succeeded.

The biggest problem with this is that it does not affect just the lunatics in California. California is the biggest purchaser of textbooks, thus most textbook companies write their books to conform to the dictates of California curriculum. If this goes through, then within a year or two no one anywhere in the country will be able to buy new textbooks that do not conform to this crap.


Last year, my daughter's 9th grade science teacher (Ph.D., retired from NASA) took one look at the text book and told the class the information was all wrong, they could just put the books away. The entire year was lecture-style lessons and I would be willing to bet, the information they got was accurate rather than PC.

620 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:20:25am

9-11-07 Sorry, had to post this...

Terrorists: We'll cut off head of 'prostitute' Britney Spears
Madonna also targeted by jihad leaders who warn of 'spreading satanic culture

"If I meet these whores I will have the honor – I repeat, I will have the honor – to be the first one to cut the heads off Madonna and Britney Spears if they will keep spreading their satanic culture against Islam," said Muhammad Abdel-Al, spokesman and senior leader of the Popular Resistance Committees terror organization.

621 yochanan  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:21:35am

re: #453 storagemanager

that troothers are anti semites BIG SUPRISE NOT.

622 bianchi_roadie  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:23:22am

re: #601 JammieWearingFool

Castro did the "study"? That's one thing I love about socialist gov't propaganda: The dictator as ubermench who knows all, sees all. NK would have stories about how military units would be given fitness equipment and how Lil' Kim himself would keep a record in a notebook about which unit had which item.

I assume it's to give the impression that the dictator is more intelligent (and thus worthy of leading) and aware of everything going on (so don't think you can dissent citizen!).

623 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:23:47am

Mom,' 'dad,' targeted by California bias ban

Just a bit more, to back up the comments...

"SB 777 requires textbooks, instructional materials and school-sponsored activities to positively portray cross-dressing, sex-change operations, homosexual 'marriages' and all aspects of homosexuality and bisexuality, including so-called 'gay history,'" he said. "Silence on these sexual lifestyles will not be allowed."

624 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:25:13am

re: #619 reine.de.tout

re: #616 galloping granny

re: #605 American Soldier


re: #578 TimeQuake


'Mom,' 'dad,' targeted by California bias ban
'Parents want fundamentals, not indoctrination about sex'


Well. It takes a bit to astonish me. That succeeded.


The biggest problem with this is that it does not affect just the lunatics in California. California is the biggest purchaser of textbooks, thus most textbook companies write their books to conform to the dictates of California curriculum. If this goes through, then within a year or two no one anywhere in the country will be able to buy new textbooks that do not conform to this crap.


Last year, my daughter's 9th grade science teacher (Ph.D., retired from NASA) took one look at the text book and told the class the information was all wrong, they could just put the books away. The entire year was lecture-style lessons and I would be willing to bet, the information they got was accurate rather than PC.

This does not surprise me in the least. Even for homeschool we do science mostly by lecture and hands on, because K-12 science books that are accurate and not boring are very hard to come by. Last year we studied botany, learned about plant reproduction, basic genetics, how to propagate plants a bunch of different ways - resulting in a dozen new house plants and a half acre garden. (And we studied weather) This year we are making chocolate all the way from the nibs, doing tissue culture propagation of plants (aka "cloning" - DNA), looking at biodiversity, learning to prepare and save seeds, and de-hybridizing some tomatoes from the supermarket. (More genetics.)

625 lurknomore  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:26:21am

can someone please tell me why these "reports" keep surfacing in the media?[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

626 3 wood  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:26:25am

re: #574 storagemanager


Second quake measuring 7.9 hits Indonesia's Sumatra

Is it Bush's fault yet?

627 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:26:29am

re: #623 TimeQuake

Mom,' 'dad,' targeted by California bias ban

Just a bit more, to back up the comments...


"SB 777 requires textbooks, instructional materials and school-sponsored activities to positively portray cross-dressing, sex-change operations, homosexual 'marriages' and all aspects of homosexuality and bisexuality, including so-called 'gay history,'" he said. "Silence on these sexual lifestyles will not be allowed."


Ridiculous. What kind of nutty system places more emphasis on positive portrayal of these lifestyles than actual academic performance?

628 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:27:10am

re: #626 3 wood

re: #574 storagemanager


Second quake measuring 7.9 hits Indonesia's Sumatra

Is it Bush's fault yet?

Give them a little time...lol

629 nonic  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:27:21am

re: #620 TimeQuake

So Barbra Streisand was right. /

(Sheesh. Never thought I'd hear myself say that.)

But didn't she say -- and I think Madonna, too -- right after 9/11, that the terrorists were specifically targeting entertainment industry figures?

630 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:27:32am

See ya, Lizards. Gotta go.

631 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:28:06am

re: #562 MandyManners

Boy I'm having a hard time justifying a D. The clown he replaced was yammering this same crap not a month ago and all he received for his efforts were a few chuckles and a tip - get outta the business.

The tip to which the Mullah's obviously agreed.

I do, however, get the impression the Mullah's don't have much faith that their pals in Congress can effect any retreat in a time-frame that suits the needs of Tehran - hence the repetitious yammering of the SoS.

They really are going to have to come-up with a new act.

632 3 wood  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:28:46am

re: #601 JammieWearingFool


I wonder what Castro's nickname is at HuffPo and Kos?

633 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:29:05am

re: #624 galloping granny

This does not surprise me in the least. Even for homeschool we do science mostly by lecture and hands on, because K-12 science books that are accurate and not boring are very hard to come by. Last year we studied botany, learned about plant reproduction, basic genetics, how to propagate plants a bunch of different ways - resulting in a dozen new house plants and a half acre garden. (And we studied weather) This year we are making chocolate all the way from the nibs, doing tissue culture propagation of plants (aka "cloning" - DNA), looking at biodiversity, learning to prepare and save seeds, and de-hybridizing some tomatoes from the supermarket. (More genetics.)


And when you're finished, your kids will actually know something that's worth knowing, and will have the wherewithall to look at an issue, examine alternatives, and develop an informed opinion. This outcome is apparently too scary for California (and other states too, I might add).

634 American Soldier  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:30:07am

re: #613 reine.de.tout

re: #616 galloping granny

I'm short on answers. My kids spent most of their K-12 years in private religious schooling, so I missed most of this.
Getting rational people into education is difficult, because most of them are out accomplishing other things that are more rewarding financially (although, around here, the teachers seem to make a decent living at all levels). Perhaps we simply need to terminate all the Left-leaning Baby-boomer Admin types.
The roots of this are in Left-shifted universities, a trend that started in the 1930's. We all know where that came from.

635 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:30:10am

re: #629 nonic

Barbra Streisand

I stayed too long. Barf.

LOL

636 southernborn[deleted]  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:31:34am
637 American Soldier  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:32:10am

re: #617 galloping granny

re: #611 MandyManners


I HATE you! A size 6 might fit my left foot. Even at 103 I cannot get into anything less than a 9!


Men don' know nothin' about women's clothing sizes, couldn't care much less.
Warm & cuddly counts most.

638 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:32:25am

re: #628 storagemanager

re: #626 3 wood

re: #574 storagemanager


Second quake measuring 7.9 hits Indonesia's Sumatra


Is it Bush's fault yet?

Give them a little time...lol

Just remember what they did with all of the aid that was sent last time around when they come whining for our almighty $$$ (which by the way is in the tank and being held hostage by China according to an article on BabbaZee's site.)

639 realwest  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:32:46am

Good Morning Y'all, from a warm (75 degrees, going up to 87 degrees) sunny and blue-skied Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this fine morning?

640 southernborn  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:34:40am

re: #628 storagemanager

re: #626 3 wood

re: #574 storagemanager


#638 Galloping granny

Second quake measuring 7.9 hits Indonesia's Sumatra

Is it Bush's fault yet?

Give them a little time...lol

Just remember what they did with all of the aid that was sent last time around when they come whining for our almighty $$$ (which by the way is in the tank and being held hostage by China according to an article on BabbaZee's site.)

and remember to, some were wearing shirts with bin dead's picture on it whilst strolling in front of the cameras I wouldnt give a dime.

641 southernborn  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:35:25am

morning realwest

642 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:35:38am

re: #634 American Soldier

re: #613 reine.de.tout

re: #616 galloping granny

I'm short on answers. My kids spent most of their K-12 years in private religious schooling, so I missed most of this.
Getting rational people into education is difficult, because most of them are out accomplishing other things that are more rewarding financially (although, around here, the teachers seem to make a decent living at all levels). ..

I'm not sure that it is completely true that getting rational people into education is difficult because they are doing things more financially rewarding. My daughter attends Catholic school, and the Catholic school district pays teachers 2/3 of public school salaries, and has no problem finding good teachers. I think its more that rational people don't want to work in a school system that requires the kind of baloney going on in California; they don't want to work in a school system that refuses to impose any discipline in the classroom; and there are other reasons, too. I think the public school systems in many places attracts people with a PC agenda, in much the same way as journalism does.

643 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:38:12am

re: #636 southernborn

"If I meet these whores I will have the honor – I repeat, I will have the honor – to be the first one to cut the heads off Madonna and Britney Spears...

Hey, I know the fat skank really tanked at the MTV awards, but isn't that going a bit far?

644 American Soldier  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:38:38am

re: #642 reine.de.tout

That sounds plausible.

Man, libs give me a headache.

645 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:39:23am

re: #634 American Soldier

re: #613 reine.de.tout

re: #616 galloping granny

I'm short on answers. My kids spent most of their K-12 years in private religious schooling, so I missed most of this.
Getting rational people into education is difficult, because most of them are out accomplishing other things that are more rewarding financially (although, around here, the teachers seem to make a decent living at all levels). Perhaps we simply need to terminate all the Left-leaning Baby-boomer Admin types.
The roots of this are in Left-shifted universities, a trend that started in the 1930's. We all know where that came from.

The days of the underepaid teacher passed long, LONG ago - at least three decades. In most places in the US teachers are reasonably well paid in comparison to most of the population that they serve and substantially overpaid in comparison to those they attended university with who went into other fields, especially in light of the actual requirements for a degree in "education."

646 njdhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:39:44am

Good morning lizards!

Pilgrimage to Tehran

The big picture can be found in the little details. Here's a great example. Iran recently held a summit meeting bringing together Palestinian leaders. Hamas was there, of course, and Islamic Jihad, too. No surprise that. But there was someone else participating in the gathering: Farouq Qaddumi.

Qaddumi is a veteran Fatah and PLO bureaucrat who now heads the former group. He is one of three men--the other two were Yasir Arafat and Mahmoud Abbas--who represented Fatah on the PLO Executive Committee. He has never accepted even the 1993 Oslo agreement. In most ways, he is more representative of Fatah leadership than the Palestinian Authority's relatively moderate two heads, Mahmoud Abbas and Salam Fayyad.

What was Qaddumi doing in Tehran? Well, he has long been an ally of Syria which is Tehran's closest ally. But there is something else going on here which is of historic importance and which shows the difference between reality and what is said in the Western media or governments. Not Egypt, not Saudi Arabia but Iran is now the mediator between Hamas and Fatah.

The Egyptians spent a lot of time negotiating with the two groups but never pushed very hard or achieved anything. The Saudis thought they had ensured cooperation with the recent Mecca agreement. But Hamas, another ally of Iran, used the deal to seize full power in the Gaza Strip and kick out Fatah altogether.

So it makes perfect sense for Palestinian leaders to see Iran holding the cards. If anyone is going to persuade Hamas to make up with Fatah it would be Tehran, the Islamist group's sponsor. Of course, Iran is not going to do it but it can play games with Fatah, perhaps find Fatah people who, in exchange for power and money, might accept second place as a junior Palestinian partner of Hamas and Tehran.

Perhaps you thought the United States is now Fatah's sponsor and good buddy. Well, Fatah is an equal-opportunity embezzler. Again, let me make clear my support for a strategy of talking with Fatah and helping it survive in the West Bank in exchange for its clamping down on terrorism and incitement. Fatah is preferable to Hamas. But a strong dose of cynicism and some tough bargaining is needed in this policy, which has been adopted by the United States, Israel, and (with a bit more ambiguity, yearning for the chance to appease Hamas) Europe.

647 American Soldier  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:39:50am

Lots to do, little time. Later all.

/walk softly, carry a full magazine

648 nonic  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:40:24am

re: #642 reine.de.tout

the Catholic school district pays teachers 2/3 of public school salaries, and has no problem finding good teachers.

That was our experience, too. In NJ. Five kids through K-12 Catholic school. The teachers were nearly ALL former public school teachers, and many TOLD me they switched in order to get the freedom to actually TEACH their subject and to work in an environment that required discipline from the students and was SAFE for everyone. And our diocese paid only half the standard public school salaries.

649 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:40:37am
re: #636 southernborn

"If I meet these whores I will have the honor – I repeat, I will have the honor – to be the first one to cut the heads off Madonna and Britney Spears...

Their heads are too hard...you will break your knife.

650 Roger  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:40:44am

It is high time for a new majority party!

By 2010, the time will be high noon.

651 realwest  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:41:25am

re: #641 southernborn Hello my friend! How are y'all doing this fine morning?

652 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:42:43am

re: #602 lucius septimius

Has it occurred to the Democrats the very reason the Iraqis haven't made the compromises necessary for political resolution is because the various sectarian & ethnic communities are terrified the US will suddenly withdraw, leaving them unprotected?

653 Thanos  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:43:31am

re: #636 southernborn

If I meet these whores I will have the honor – I repeat, I will have the honor – to be the first one to cut the heads off Madonna and Britney Spears if they will keep spreading their satanic culture against Islam," said Muhammad Abdel-Al, spokesman and senior leader of the Popular Resistance Committees terror organization.

Is it just me, or are we seeing a lot more of the old mold names lately -- socialist / marxist terror name style groups? Are the islamists renaming their groups for a reason? Too much heat from the Ummah?

654 Judith  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:43:57am

Well no one else has mentioned it in this thread but J Post is reporting that Israel's little jaunt into Syria was to take out either large long range missile batteries OR North Korean supplied nuclear stuff! Syria is now calling up reservists.

So the Israelis may have just taken out the chinless ompthamologist's attempt tpo go nuclear!

May God Bless and Defend the IDF and Israel and bring her success in all her endeavors. May God Bless and defend the people of Israel and curse her enemies and bring them down to the lowest pits of hell.

Now off to prepare to the New Year. I am leaving to drive out of town shortly. My daughter arrives for a two week visit Sunday. I hope Assad holds off until she's walking in Canada.

655 MarkX  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:44:13am

re: #260 astronmr20

re: #255 Killer Tomato


What did they say recently? 90 guns for every 100 Americans?

When I saw that statistic the other day my first thought was "OK - who's been slacking off?"

That's a silly statistic, and does not necessarily say much. It makes the reader assume that 90 percent of Americans may be armed, which is not the case.

Fact is, I have most of them (:

Yeah, I think I skewed that statistic too.

656 Thanos  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:44:14am

off to work now, see you later

657 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:44:28am

re: #642 reine.de.tout

re: #634 American Soldier

re: #613 reine.de.tout

re: #616 galloping granny

I'm short on answers. My kids spent most of their K-12 years in private religious schooling, so I missed most of this.
Getting rational people into education is difficult, because most of them are out accomplishing other things that are more rewarding financially (although, around here, the teachers seem to make a decent living at all levels). ..

I'm not sure that it is completely true that getting rational people into education is difficult because they are doing things more financially rewarding. My daughter attends Catholic school, and the Catholic school district pays teachers 2/3 of public school salaries, and has no problem finding good teachers. I think its more that rational people don't want to work in a school system that requires the kind of baloney going on in California; they don't want to work in a school system that refuses to impose any discipline in the classroom; and there are other reasons, too. I think the public school systems in many places attracts people with a PC agenda, in much the same way as journalism does.

I agree with you. I could go teach yesterday if I wanted to, but there are no private schools in my area and you could not drag me kicking and screaming into a public school where there are no books, where whether or not I teach spelling (or anything else) is decided by vote, where I must toe a party line ala Cali, teach things I don't believe in, cater to the intellectually impoverished while ignoring genius and use nothing other than "Captain Underpants" to teach children literature. In a pig's eye!

659 yochanan  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:45:38am

re: #632 3 wood

SIR

660 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:46:33am

re: #654 Judith

Well no one else has mentioned it in this thread but J Post is reporting that Israel's little jaunt into Syria was to take out either large long range missile batteries OR North Korean supplied nuclear stuff! Syria is now calling up reservists.

So the Israelis may have just taken out the chinless ompthamologist's attempt tpo go nuclear!

May God Bless and Defend the IDF and Israel and bring her success in all her endeavors. May God Bless and defend the people of Israel and curse her enemies and bring them down to the lowest pits of hell.

Now off to prepare to the New Year. I am leaving to drive out of town shortly. My daughter arrives for a two week visit Sunday. I hope Assad holds off until she's walking in Canada.

Judith, you just did not look far enough up thread. This was THE hot topic a couple hours ago. :)

661 Last Mohican  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:46:49am

Good news from Pakistan:

Approval ratings:
Osama Bin Laden: 46%
Al Qaeda: 43%
Taliban: 38%
Musharraf: 38%
Bush: 9%

Why is it good news that 46% of our nuclear-armed allies support Osama Bin Laden? Because in the last poll that I saw a few years ago, 65% of Pakistanis supported him. Progress!

In my opinion, this is why Bin Laden is still alive and well in Pakistan. He's a rock star over there. Even Musharraf's own intelligence service supports him. If Musharraf or US forces were to actually try to take out Bin Laden, Musharraf's whole festering Saudi-madrassa-infested cesspool of a country would rise up and replace him with a different dictator, one more of the jihadist persuasion. And neither Musharraf nor the US wants that. So we let him hide out safely in his cave/recording studio.

662 Judith  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:46:49am

Could the Israelis have taken out a nuclear bomb being smuggled into Syria?

663 Peacekeeper  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:47:04am

Palis sell Osamma 911 bobbleheads:
[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]

664 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:47:05am

re: #658 WeaselZipper

Good news!

Pakistan: Poll Shows Bin Laden More Popular Than Musharraf...

The way things are going for Musharraf...bin hiding could be President soon.

665 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:47:36am

Taliban spokesman says US forces must leave Afghanistan before talks can be held

Oh, ok. That sounds like a swell idea. Hey you guys haven't been talking with the Mullah's by chance, now have you?

Jayzuz.

666 MarkX  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:48:39am

re: #642 reine.de.tout

re: #634 American Soldier


re: #613 reine.de.tout

re: #616 galloping granny

I'm short on answers. My kids spent most of their K-12 years in private religious schooling, so I missed most of this.
Getting rational people into education is difficult, because most of them are out accomplishing other things that are more rewarding financially (although, around here, the teachers seem to make a decent living at all levels). ..


I'm not sure that it is completely true that getting rational people into education is difficult because they are doing things more financially rewarding. My daughter attends Catholic school, and the Catholic school district pays teachers 2/3 of public school salaries, and has no problem finding good teachers. I think its more that rational people don't want to work in a school system that requires the kind of baloney going on in California; they don't want to work in a school system that refuses to impose any discipline in the classroom; and there are other reasons, too. I think the public school systems in many places attracts people with a PC agenda, in much the same way as journalism does.

Agreed, I believe a more accurate statement would be getting rational people into public education is difficult...

667 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:48:44am

re: #653 Thanos

re: #636 southernborn

If I meet these whores I will have the honor – I repeat, I will have the honor – to be the first one to cut the heads off Madonna and Britney Spears if they will keep spreading their satanic culture against Islam," said Muhammad Abdel-Al, spokesman and senior leader of the Popular Resistance Committees terror organization.

Is it just me, or are we seeing a lot more of the old mold names lately -- socialist / marxist terror name style groups? Are the islamists renaming their groups for a reason? Too much heat from the Ummah?

I was dumbfounded to learn a year or so ago that the old SDS - Students for a Democratic Society, known Communist front group, responsible for more than a few bombings during the Vietnam era - which I thought had been outlawed, is not only still around, it has become "mainstream" on most college campuses.

668 3 wood  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:48:46am

Sports Nerd Corner:

NFL could come down hard on Pats
Team allegedly video-taped Jets' signals on Sunday

If found guilty of violating the NFL's rules against video-taping an opposing team's signals, the New England Patriots could face a fine from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and/or have a 2008 draft pick taken away, league sources said Tuesday.

The Patriots are being accused of spying on the New York Jets in their season opener Sunday.

ESPN.com, citing league sources, reported Tuesday that commissioner Roger Goodell has determined the Patriots violated league rules Sunday when they videotaped defensive signals by the Jets' coaches. But the report also said the Patriots have not yet presented their case to the league.

Oh No!

Next thing you know, somebody will suggest that the defense will attempt to anticipate the snap and read the QB's eyes to see what receiver he plans on throwing to.

This type of thing happens all the time out there folks. Years ago the Bears spanked the Packers 61 - 7 in a regular season game. Afterwards it came out that then Personnel Director Bill Tobin, who had previously been let go uncerimonously by the Packers, had spent a lot of time studying Packers game film and figured out their signals. On the first offensive and defensive series of the game he confirmed that the Packers were still using those signals, so for the rest of the game the Bears knew what was coming on every play. In the 80's, Bears QB Mike Tomzack had a tendancy to top off a pass or run by how he set up behind the center for each snap. Heck, Bears coaching disaster Dave Wannestadt always signaled whether the Bears would pass or run on each play by which tight end he sent into the game. So trying to read the other team's intentions are league wide. Heck, you can see on the old NFL films Bears linebacker Dick Butkus watching the opposing QB in the huddle and reading his lips for the next offensive play.

The Pats just got a little sloppy and got caught doing the filming. It's the equivalent of Tigers Pitcher Kenny Rodgers getting sloppy and leaving a little pine tar on his hand in a game during last years World Series. In baseball, there is not a team in the league that does not have somebody back in the clubhouse watching the TV broadcast and trying to steal the catchers signals to the pitcher and relay them out in time.

Everybody does it, they just know to not get too obvious about it.

I think the Commissioner is just getting tired of NFL stepping on its...er...ah...neck, and will slap the Pats around as an example. But it won't stop the signal stealing.

669 realwest  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:48:58am

Interesting news story:

China says suffers "massive" Internet spy damage
BEIJING (Reuters) - China has suffered "massive" losses of state secrets through the Internet, a senior official said, as China faces reports that it has raided the computer networks of Western powers.

Vice Minister of Information Industry Lou Qinjian said his country was the target of a campaign of computer infiltration and subversion and proposed a raft of counter-measures including toughened censorship, new security bodies and commercial controls.

He did not address recent Western allegations of cyber-spying against China.


"The Internet has become the main technological channel for external espionage activities against our core, vital departments," he wrote in Chinese Cadres Tribune, a magazine.

"In recent years Party, government and military organs and national defense scientific research units have had many major cases of loss, theft and leakage of secrets, and the damage to national interests has been massive and shocking."

He did not give details of any specific cases.

China's computer networks were riddled with security holes that made a mockery of the ruling Communist Party's censorship and exposed valuable secrets to spies, Lou said.
The United States and other "hostile" powers were exploiting those weakness and their dominance of technology to use the Internet for "political infiltration", he said.

"In the Internet technology products exported by the United States there are 'back doors' planted to engage in technological infiltration and theft of secrets," Lou said.

U.S. companies have vigorously denied such claims.

[Link: today.reuters.com...]

670 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:49:00am

Another Hsu drops on Mrs. Clinton

This one doesn't accesorize well with the double-wide pantsuits, either.

Any other candidate would have been sunk by now. Let's hope enough intrepid reporters keep digging and bury this hag.

Wouldn't it be nice if the other candidates had the onions to use this against her.

671 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:50:41am

Good morning realwest! Lovely sunny day today in Toronto. Too bad I'm stuck at work with a tonne of work to do.

The Democrats have picked up an important endorsement of the Iraq policy,

The Democrats/Iran on Wednesday dismissed a long-awaited progress report by the two senior U.S. officials in Iraq saying it would not "save America from Iraq's swamp."

The Democrats/Iran has long called for U.S. forces to leave its neighbor, but a Foreign Ministry statement made clear the suggested troop withdrawal did not go far enough for the Democrats/Tehran.

"This report does not reflect the real demands and priorities of the majority of the American people," Democratic Senate majority Leader/Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Nancy Pelosi/Mohammad Ali Hosseini said in the statement, according to CNN/the official IRNA news agency.

672 lurknomore  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:50:53am

re: #654 Judith

Judith, I mentioned it...see my post #618

673 3 wood  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:51:33am

re: #659 yochanan

LOL. I'm sure you are about right.

674 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:51:36am

Next time...wear a white t-shirt...

.According to police, 32-year-old Texas fan Brian Christopher Thomas walked into Henry Hudson's Pub on June 17 wearing a Longhorns T-shirt and quickly became the focus of football "trash talk" from another regular, 53-year-old Oklahoma fan Allen Michael Beckett.

Thomas told police that when he decided to leave and went to the bar to pay his tab, Beckett grabbed him in the crotch, pulled him to the ground and wouldn't let go, even as bar patrons tried to break it up. When the two men were separated, Thomas looked down and realized the extent of his injuries.

"He could see both of his testicles hanging on the outside of his body," said Thomas' attorney, Carl Hughes. "He was wearing a pair of white shorts, which made it that much worse."

It took more than 60 stitches to close the wound, and police interviewed Thomas at a nearby hospital emergency room

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

675 yochanan  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:51:55am

re: #655 MarkX

oops my gig is up i must be the slacker i only got two.

676 realwest  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:52:15am

re: #658 WeaselZipper Great Post and link. How accurate do you think that poll is? I've never heard of the organization doing the polling, have you?
Oh and good morning to you!

677 phoenixgirl  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:52:48am

what's up with russia? dissolved gov't? scary

678 realwest  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:54:32am

re: #674 storagemanager NUTS!
That story is about a weekold and I wouldn't have mentioned it, but it was such a perfect lead in to my "nuts" ! LOL!.
How are you doing today my friend - hanging in there?

679 lurknomore  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:55:24am

[Link: www.adnkronos.com...]


what the f**k is going on?

680 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:55:45am

re: #678 realwest

re: #674 storagemanager NUTS!
That story is about a weekold and I wouldn't have mentioned it, but it was such a perfect lead in to my "nuts" ! LOL!.
How are you doing today my friend - hanging in there?

Doing fine and you?

681 Judith  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:56:09am

re: #672 lurknomore

Sorry I missed that but I stopped following links without extra data on what they were a long long time ago because of one too many side-trips into inanity.

682 bianchi_roadie  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:56:53am

re: #664 storagemanager

Not surprising. Assassination attempts on Musharraf is a popular hobby there. Given that most of the countries in ME and central Asia are dictatorships (or oligarchies), if you could do a real poll, OBL might poll better than every leader in their own country. OBL's spin masters prop him up as a modern day Saladin.

683 markx  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:57:17am

re: #675 yochanan

re: #655 MarkX

oops my gig is up i must be the slacker i only got two.

Nothing to be ashamed of. That's a start, my friend.

684 nonic  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:57:19am

Repeating my post from last night...

Reprieve for the Pint and the Ounce
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

BRUSSELS, Sept. 11 — Britons and the Irish can still down a pint of beer, walk a mile, covet an ounce of gold and eat a pound of bananas after the European Union ruled today that the countries could retain measurements dating back to the Middle Ages.

Under a previous European Union plan, Britain and Ireland would have been forced to adopt the metric system and phase out imperial measurements by 2009. * * *

A British grocer, Steve Thoburn of Sunderland, became known as the “metric martyr” when he was convicted in 2001 of measuring fruits and vegetables in pounds and ounces instead of kilograms. A court gave him a six-month conditional discharge. He died of a heart attack in 2004 just days after learning that his appeal to the European Court of Human Rights against a conviction for using nonmetric scales in his market stall had been rejected. * * * [emphasis added]

Britain and Ireland officially use the metric system, but imperial measures are still often used alongside their metric equivalents.

Under the European Union decision, they can retain miles on road signs, and pubs may continue to serve pints of beer. Other goods must be sold in metric quantities, but retailers can display imperial equivalents. * * *

_ _ _ _

Okay, folks, you guys all have a good day. GORGEOUS weather here, north central NJ. Hope yours is, too. See ya’ll another time. :-)

685 BabbaZee  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:58:42am

re: #530 chief long name

It's part of the BAKER PLAN

The cat escaped... lol jumped right off the porch, which he has never done before
So I put him on a leash and hung out with him a while...
gotta get a harness though he can choke on the leash he is not used to it

Cant let him wander free, too many things here would love to kill him and he has zero clue he's been indoors 5 years

so now finally I can go put posts up
Be back in a bit

686 maddogg  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:58:52am

Sounds like more of that "superior leftard brain" cooking away.

Makes my rigid, change hating right brain signal my stomach to turn and my fists to clench.

(you must make some allowance, I was born without any left brain)

687 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:59:04am

re: #668 3 wood

BTW, I noted last night that Bills TE will likely walk again, which is the best news I've gotten all week.

God bless him.

The Patriots get what they have coming to them on camera-gate.

Not that it made any difference in the game, but really, you have maybe the most talent in the league. You have to cheat to gain an extra edge?

Sherriff Goodell will be taking care of them but good.

I've lost a lot of respect for Belichick over this.

688 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:59:05am

re: #669 realwest

Interesting news story:

China says suffers "massive" Internet spy damage
BEIJING (Reuters) - China has suffered "massive" losses of state secrets through the Internet, a senior official said, as China faces reports that it has raided the computer networks of Western powers.

Vice Minister of Information Industry Lou Qinjian said his country was the target of a campaign of computer infiltration and subversion and proposed a raft of counter-measures including toughened censorship, new security bodies and commercial controls.

He did not address recent Western allegations of cyber-spying against China.


"The Internet has become the main technological channel for external espionage activities against our core, vital departments," he wrote in Chinese Cadres Tribune, a magazine.

"In recent years Party, government and military organs and national defense scientific research units have had many major cases of loss, theft and leakage of secrets, and the damage to national interests has been massive and shocking."

He did not give details of any specific cases.

China's computer networks were riddled with security holes that made a mockery of the ruling Communist Party's censorship and exposed valuable secrets to spies, Lou said.
The United States and other "hostile" powers were exploiting those weakness and their dominance of technology to use the Internet for "political infiltration", he said.

"In the Internet technology products exported by the United States there are 'back doors' planted to engage in technological infiltration and theft of secrets," Lou said.

U.S. companies have vigorously denied such claims.

[Link: today.reuters.com...]

All you secrets are belong to US.

Operation: Peeking Duck.

689 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:59:22am

re: #618 lurknomore

If NoKo was selling nuclear technology & materials to Syria, wouldn't it be a good strategy of Israel &/or the US to have exposed this rather than secretly bombed it? Now the evidence is destroyed.

(Not that I have any clever ideas about how Israel & the US could have exposed the transfer of NoKo nuclear materials to Syria.)

690 insanity police  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 5:59:24am

Blame ourselves, and forget about the Islamist terrorists who committed 9/11. Not a smart plan Governor.

O/T
Hezbollah support on Wayne State University Blog

691 Thanos  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:00:10am

re: #670 JammieWearingFool

Another Hsu drops on Mrs. Clinton

This one doesn't accesorize well with the double-wide pantsuits, either.

Any other candidate would have been sunk by now. Let's hope enough intrepid reporters keep digging and bury this hag.

Wouldn't it be nice if the other candidates had the onions to use this against her.


Ok it was too late to drive in and catch my first call so working at home today.

Jammie: The thing that's bugging me about the Hsu business is that the MSM, and even most bloggers are ignoring the patterns.

Norman Hsu's Perp number four, and if you count the "library donations" and free plane rides from Vinod Gupta, InfoUSA, you get five donors/supporters with either criminal or questionable pasts.
List at the tail of this post:
[Link: noblesseoblige.org...]

692 lurknomore  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:00:57am

[Link: www.kuna.net.kw...]
Israeli security aborts Palestinian bombing

MIL-MIDEAST-ISRAEL-OPERATION
Israeli security aborts Palestinian bombing

GAZA, Sept 12 (KUNA) -- Israeli security aborted on Wednesday a Palestinian plan to blast a target in the city of Bir Al-Saba, in southern Israel, official sources said.

Radio Israel quoted an Israeli security source as saying "the operation was aborted and a Palestinian was arrested wearing an explosive belt who was to execute the operation." The Palestinian is a Gaza resident who succeeded in entering Israeli territory.

Israeli security forces are on high alert and claim to have received information about Palestinian planned attacks on Israeli targets on the Jewish Rosh Hashana Holidays on Thursday.(end) zt.

sab
KUNA 121405 Sep 07NNN

693 Richard Romano  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:01:39am

Let's be fair here -- it is a failure of human understanding, of the leftist kind!

You kook leftists will be the death of us -- from this jerk governor to that idiot Kucinich going to Syria to shrill for the evil Assad. Pathetic!

694 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:01:55am

Putin names new PM...can't find alot on him. [Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

695 beblebrox  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:02:53am

re: #626 3 wood

re: #574 storagemanager


Second quake measuring 7.9 hits Indonesia's Sumatra

Is it Bush's fault yet?

He, along with Israel and the Jooos did it.

/muslim intellectual think

696 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:04:28am

#618 lurknomore

It is curious that a North Korean offical has condemned the Israeli air raid. It's very unusual for the NoKo's to comment on Middle East affairs. Perhaps some of their engineers were killed in the raid?

697 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:05:23am

re: #679 lurknomore

[Link: www.adnkronos.com...]


what the f**k is going on?

Oh dear. The person to consult on this is Robert Spencer, but as I recall, islam requires that you extend three "invitations" to convert to islam before all-out war. I know the first tape included an invitation to the US to convert en-masse to islam. If I were a betting woman, I would bet #2 did too and so will #3.

698 realwest  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:06:11am

re: #668 3 wood Hey there my friend - how are you this morning?
Yeah, lots of teams and some individual players have been trying to figure out the other teams moves for a looong time (look at all the success Lawrence Taylor had just checking how the offensive lineman was leaning - a tad back; he was setting up for pass blocking - leaning forward "hard" - a running play.
Course, Taylor would've been great if they blindfolded him before the snap, but the point is that lots of teams do that. Look at how many teams pick up a wide -received who'd been cut by another team, only to let him go a week or 10 days later. They didn't pick him off the wires cause they thought he was a great or even good wide receiver, just took him long enough to get enough of the team that cut him's offensive playbook.
But, if it's true, what the Pat's did is completely different. Secretely videotaping another teams signals gives them the kind of edge that you can't get by hunches, or "lip reading" the other teams QB in the huddle.
Hell, even baseball, as lax as IT is in regards to rules, finally figured out that teams would put a scout in the bleachers with binoculars to pick off the other team's catcher's signals or the way the other team's pitcher was holding the ball, and they promptly outlawed it (and enforced it).
I think if the Pat's did this, they went a couple of steps over the line.

699 tfc3rid  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:06:35am

Morning all...

So, Putin dissolves the Russian government? Yeah, he's not a Communist...

Another earthquake in Indonesia... Ugh...

So, the MAss. and NY governors show their ignorance yet again... Yeah, I understand the terrorists... All of you here to as well... It's the politicians who don't...

700 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:06:43am

Gen. Petraeus, Ambassador Crocker to Hold Press Conference [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

701 Judith  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:07:09am

re: #696 Kenneth

Yup, what I was thinking.

702 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:07:49am

re: #689 Kenneth

re: #618 lurknomore

If NoKo was selling nuclear technology & materials to Syria, wouldn't it be a good strategy of Israel &/or the US to have exposed this rather than secretly bombed it? Now the evidence is destroyed.

(Not that I have any clever ideas about how Israel & the US could have exposed the transfer of NoKo nuclear materials to Syria.)

Oh no it is not destroyed. You cannot "destroy" the radioactive signature of a nuclear bomb - exploded or not.

703 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:07:58am

re: #696 Kenneth

#618 lurknomore

It is curious that a North Korean offical has condemned the Israeli air raid. It's very unusual for the NoKo's to comment on Middle East affairs. Perhaps some of their engineers were killed in the raid?

They were at the NAM meeting last week...in Tehran...could be.

704 WeaselZipper  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:09:27am

re: #664 storagemanager

re: #658 WeaselZipper


Good news!

Pakistan: Poll Shows Bin Laden More Popular Than Musharraf...


The way things are going for Musharraf...bin hiding could be President soon.

What would be our response? If it happens (and it probably will) I hope it's sooner rather than later. If a Dem is in office our response would be defensive rather than offensive.

705 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:09:45am

Excellent background on the raid at In from the Cold

If you believe the Syrian foreign minister, then the Israelis flew through the heart of his nation's air defenses--apparently undetected--to strike at targets near the country's eastern border. And it wouldn't be the first time that the IAF has accomplished such a feat; in 2003, Israeli jets struck a Palestinian terrorist complex near Damascus, taking advantage of confusion within the Syrian air defense system to bomb the target and escape, with no reaction from fighters or ground-based air defenses. The success of this particular raid suggests that despite a reported shake-up of the Syria's air defense organization, the system remains incapable of defeating an Israeli attack.

And, making matters worse, the IDF raid apparently included a ground attack, featuring commandos that were (presumably) ferried in by helicopter. While IAF CH-53 Sea Stallions have the range (540 NM) to reach distant targets, getting the chopper(s) and the commandos in and out of enemy territory was indeed an impressive feat. Apparently, the Syrians fared no better against the heliborne element of the mission than they did against the IAF jets. However, given the location of the target area--and initial Syrian comments about Israeli aircraft "coming out of Turkey," it's quite possible that the helicopters (and commando elements) staged from a "foreign" base.

706 lurknomore  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:09:48am

re: #689 Kenneth

This is why we are having such problems in "trying" to convince the world that the evil we face must be dealt with. Why do we have to show proof? Than that gives the enemy time to move it to yet another "safe" location. Bomb the sh*t out of these weapon factories, all over the world, explain LATER!

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

707 Judith  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:10:37am

To quote that great pooh bearian philosopher...

"Bother!"

708 Roger  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:11:43am

re: #704 WeaselZipper

If a Dem is in office our response would be defensive

Sorry, I know what you were trying to say but it won't be a defense but rather a Muslim ass kissing and Dhimmnitude.

709 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:11:53am

More rain for Coastal Texas and Louisiana, as a Florida to NY Hurricane Threat Looms for 69th Anniversary of 1938 Cat 3 That Killed 600 to 800 people in NY, CT, RI and MA



SPECIAL TROPICAL DISTURBANCE STATEMENT
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
845 AM EDT WED SEP 12 2007

SATELLITE AND NWS RADAR OBSERVATIONS INDICATE THAT THE AREA OF LOW PRESSURE IN THE NORTHWESTERN GULF OF MEXICO IS BECOMING BETTER ORGANIZED THIS MORNING. THIS SYSTEM COULD BECOME A TROPICAL DEPRESSION LATER TODAY...AND AN AIR FORCE RESERVE UNIT RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT WILL INVESTIGATE THE AREA EARLY THIS AFTERNOON. THE LOW IS MOVING SLOWLY NORTH-NORTHWESTWARD...AND REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT IT BECOMES A TROPICAL CYCLONE...HEAVY RAINS ARE EXPECTED TO SPREAD ACROSS SOUTHEASTERN TEXAS AND LOUISIANA OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. FOR INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...PLEASE CONSULT STATEMENTS ISSUED BY YOUR LOCAL NWS FORECAST OFFICE.

$$
FORECASTER FRANKLIN


Houston-Galveston Long Range AN/WSR-88D NexRad Doppler Radar loop shows center of Tropical Disturbance 90L South of Houston and East of Corpus Christi

Top winds only 25 mph at the moment, a rain threat mainly, although if it follows the 6Z GFDL and drifts towards Louisiana and stays offshore, might make a low end Cat 1 hurricane!

Meanwhile, Tropical Disturbance 91L almost certainly gets an upgrade to Tropical Depression #8L at 10:45 am AST/EDT

To early to speculate on US target, although Yurpian Community Medium Range Model, run in Brussells, home of the Brussel Sprout (like a baby cabbage- I love them!) says a move West, a turn North, than a turn back WNW so that on the 69th anniversary of the 1938 Long Island Express Hurricane, future Humberto or Ingrid is headed right for NYC!

710 BabbaZee  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:13:37am

re: #697 galloping granny

Yes the Dawa is three strikes and then kaboom

711 realwest  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:13:40am

re: #671 Kenneth Morning Kenneth! Uh, you're not surprised by this are you? Or by RINO's Hagel and Lugar assessing that the surge hasn't worked and that Petraues doens't know what he's doing (no doubt based on thier own long service in the military and long trip to Iraq to assay the facts "on the ground")? LOL!

I'm curious as to why more Dem presidential hopefull's didn't denounce, strongly denounce MoveOn 's ad in the NYT. It certainly didn't seem popular in the two questioning chambers (house and senate)?
Y'all got any thoughts on that?

712 southernborn  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:14:52am

First Tsunami has hit. dont know details just now heard

713 lurknomore  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:15:48am

And Israel says it HAS surveillance photos anyway, somebody has to take action...I'm still waiting for us to wipe out iran's nukes...


the only thing I hear are the crickets

714 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:16:06am

Powerful earthquake rocks Indonesia
Small tsunami reportedly hits town of Padang [Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

715 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:16:09am

re: #702 galloping granny

True, the isotopes would not be destroyed, but the machined parts would be, and those would have proven the source. Still, it would be extremely difficult to go in to a secure facility and take the parts out jsut to make a new conference. Better to destroy them than let them keep them. Also, the nuclear scientists & engineers are a limitied resource and take years to replace.

#703 storagemanager

Wasn't a delagation of Iranians in North Korea last week, or was it the other way around? I don't imagine they were discussing kim-chi exports.

716 WeaselZipper  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:16:21am

re: #708 Roger

re: #704 WeaselZipper


If a Dem is in office our response would be defensive

Sorry, I know what you were trying to say but it won't be a defense but rather a Muslim ass kissing and Dhimmnitude.

Well said, that was exactly what I meant to say.

717 grumpy old codger  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:16:48am

re: #133 Dublin(CA)Dude
Congrats on being smart to recognize the symptoms, getting treatment and, apparently, doing well.
As for cholesterol, the total level should be less than 200. It's the bad stuff, the LDL (low density lipoprotein), that should be kept to 100 or less.
And just to throw logs on the fire, there are still some concerns that homocystine may be the real culprit and not cholesterol.

718 Judith  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:16:51am

re: #711 realwest

The BBCs take on the whle thing was quite interesting. Among other comments they couldn't figure out why, since Americans are so against this, the Democrats haven't been able to withdraw the troops and just what will it take to get Americans to stop believing in the war and actually do something? Reporter apparently oblivious to obvious contradiction.

719 3 wood  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:17:42am

re: #687 JammieWearingFool

Ditto on the good news on Everett. it was a fairly routine play, you just never know.

Oh, I'm not ready to nominate Belichick for sainthood by a long shot. But every other team in the league does similar stuff, they just don't get that sloppy at it. It's not that hard to do. for example, I've been watching Favre for so long, I can read his audibles over the TV. When he calls out a certain color, he's switching off the to the quick-hitter look-in pass to the wide receiver, every time.

I'm just surprised Belichick got that sloppy at it is all. Just like Rodgers got sloppy in the World Series. Where he had the pine tar on his hand, he could not use it. The stuff he was using was under the bill of his cap and the back of his hat, like just about every other self respecting major league pitcher has it hidden.

720 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:18:49am

re: #715 Kenneth

re: #702 galloping granny

True, the isotopes would not be destroyed, but the machined parts would be, and those would have proven the source. Still, it would be extremely difficult to go in to a secure facility and take the parts out jsut to make a new conference. Better to destroy them than let them keep them. Also, the nuclear scientists & engineers are a limitied resource and take years to replace.

#703 storagemanager

Wasn't a delagation of Iranians in North Korea last week, or was it the other way around? I don't imagine they were discussing kim-chi exports.

They were in Iran for the NAM meeting...they could have stayed.

721 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:19:29am

re: #715 Kenneth

re: #702 galloping granny

True, the isotopes would not be destroyed, but the machined parts would be, and those would have proven the source. Still, it would be extremely difficult to go in to a secure facility and take the parts out jsut to make a new conference. Better to destroy them than let them keep them. Also, the nuclear scientists & engineers are a limitied resource and take years to replace.

#703 storagemanager

Wasn't a delagation of Iranians in North Korea last week, or was it the other way around? I don't imagine they were discussing kim-chi exports.

The isotopes themselves prove the source. Each processing center has a slightly different signature that can be determined from the material itself. Nuclear chemists have accumulated a whole book of signatures.


The nuclear/NK thing is on Fox right this second.

722 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:19:57am

re: #711 realwest
The Dem's won't denounce MoveOn because MoveOn is an instrument of the Democratic Party. MoveOn is tasked with saying the things the Dems want said, but don't want to say themselves. They provide political cover for extremist crap.

723 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:20:23am

I know that their 'constitution' allows it, but given this, this move by Russia is kind of creepy for an ex-KGB guy to do.

724 redstateredneck  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:20:24am

re: #711 realwest

{real}

I'm curious as to why more Dem presidential hopefull's didn't denounce, strongly denounce MoveOn 's ad in the NYT. It certainly didn't seem popular in the two questioning chambers (house and senate)?
Y'all got any thoughts on that?


The hand that feeds them?

725 yochanan  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:20:31am
726 lurknomore  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:21:12am

'THRAX SCARE
ANTHRAX SCARE IN WALL ST. MAILROOM
By LEONARDO BLAIR and PHILIP MESSING
September 12, 2007 -- An eerily timed anthrax scare hit lower Manhattan yesterday, rekindling fears of terrorism on 9/11.

Eight people were evacuated from the basement of 55 Water St. when a mailroom worker opened an envelope that contained a suspicious white powder, officials said.

The envelope, which had no address, was discovered shortly before noon in the mailroom of bond-rating firm Standard and Poor's.

The worker who noticed the powder tried to smell it. People in the area began to feel nauseated, and Fire Department and hazmat crews were called, officials said.

Eight people were treated at the scene. Officials believe the letter could've been a hoax.

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

727 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:21:17am

re: #709 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

More rain for Coastal Texas and Louisiana, as a Florida to NY Hurricane Threat Looms for 69th Anniversary of 1938 Cat 3 That Killed 600 to 800 people in NY, CT, RI and MA



SPECIAL TROPICAL DISTURBANCE STATEMENT
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
845 AM EDT WED SEP 12 2007
SATELLITE AND NWS RADAR OBSERVATIONS INDICATE THAT THE AREA OF LOW PRESSURE IN THE NORTHWESTERN GULF OF MEXICO IS BECOMING BETTER ORGANIZED THIS MORNING. THIS SYSTEM COULD BECOME A TROPICAL DEPRESSION LATER TODAY...AND AN AIR FORCE RESERVE UNIT RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT WILL INVESTIGATE THE AREA EARLY THIS AFTERNOON. THE LOW IS MOVING SLOWLY NORTH-NORTHWESTWARD...AND REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT IT BECOMES A TROPICAL CYCLONE...HEAVY RAINS ARE EXPECTED TO SPREAD ACROSS SOUTHEASTERN TEXAS AND LOUISIANA OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. FOR INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...PLEASE CONSULT STATEMENTS ISSUED BY YOUR LOCAL NWS FORECAST OFFICE.

$$
FORECASTER FRANKLIN


Houston-Galveston Long Range AN/WSR-88D NexRad Doppler Radar loop shows center of Tropical Disturbance 90L South of Houston and East of Corpus Christi

Top winds only 25 mph at the moment, a rain threat mainly, although if it follows the 6Z GFDL and drifts towards Louisiana and stays offshore, might make a low end Cat 1 hurricane!

Meanwhile, Tropical Disturbance 91L almost certainly gets an upgrade to Tropical Depression #8L at 10:45 am AST/EDT

To early to speculate on US target, although Yurpian Community Medium Range Model, run in Brussells, home of the Brussel Sprout (like a baby cabbage- I love them!) says a move West, a turn North, than a turn back WNW so that on the 69th anniversary of the 1938 Long Island Express Hurricane, future Humberto or Ingrid is headed right for NYC!


Looks like NHC has decided to upgrade the possible New York Destroyer to Tropical Depression #8L. From the Navy Research Laboratory Satellite Menu Site:


Atlantic
91L.INVEST
90L.INVEST
08L.NONAME
07L.GABRIELLE
728 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:22:13am

Whats up with Drudge...no updates in hours?

729 realwest  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:23:12am

re: #688 aboo-Hoo-Hoo ROTFL!
Oh and BTW, with respect to your #655, I think they've been talking with Pelosi - that's how she'd figure to "get talks started" over in Afghanistan.

And, since I intend to ask a lot of lizards this today, what did you think of the almost complete silence of the Dem Presidential candidates silence about MoveOn's ad in the NYT ?

730 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:23:29am

re: #722 Kenneth

yup... that way the Dems are able to 'get the word out' as to their opinions, all the while able to deny it, since it wasn't THEM that said it, but this 'group'. . .

From a tactical standpoint, it is a good move, especially with a dumbed down population as the average American voter. . . Where reality television and britney spears gets more media coverage than the President.

731 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:24:03am

re: #721 galloping granny

Yes, that's quite true. I'm just thinking about a smoking-gun news conference were the Israelis put a NoKo centrifuge or missile warhead on a table and call in the press. Pointless exersize though, the msm would ignore it and the Arab media would claim it's all a Zionist plot.

Now Bush is set to give a speech tomorrow night, supposedly about Iraq. Might he mention this? Could be interesting. Meanwhile,

The 'proxy war': UK troops are sent to Iranian border ...things are getting hotter in Iraq.

732 realwest  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:24:04am

YO BABBA! Uh, what happened to the comments links on your site?

733 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:24:52am

re: #728 storagemanager


he lives on the west coast I think... maybe he's sleeping? *grin*

734 NoSubmission  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:24:53am

Good mornink, Lizards.

I've got my comment rating thing on and I see some minuses. Now, why would anyone hit a minus on a lizard? What's with that? Just wondering why we even have this feature.

735 realwest  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:25:18am

Whoa, this thread be gaining speed like a mofo!
If any of y'all post a comment to me, hang in there, I WILL catch up to it and respond out here! LOL!

736 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:25:50am

re: #600 MandyManners

Darryl Holton got juiced this a.m. in Tennessee. Killed the kids in the midst of a custody dispute--the girl wasn't even his! I wonder why he chose the chair instead of the needle. Feeling guilty?

Hmmm. Missed that on the news. Thanks!

We haven't had an execution here since last May, according to Wikipedia.

737 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:26:35am

re: #730 LanceKates

Exactly. This is thae same technique the Palis use in launching terror attacks. The Al-Shithead Martyrs Brigade bombs something, but Fatah says it wasn't them, they are still "committed to peace".

738 Peacekeeper  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:26:57am

re: #731 Kenneth

re: #721 galloping granny

Yes, that's quite true. I'm just thinking about a smoking-gun news conference were the Israelis put a NoKo centrifuge or missile warhead on a table and call in the press. Pointless exersize though, the msm would ignore it and the Arab media would claim it's all a Zionist plot.

Now Bush is set to give a speech tomorrow night, supposedly about Iraq. Might he mention this? Could be interesting. Meanwhile,

The 'proxy war': UK troops are sent to Iranian border ...things are getting hotter in Iraq.

I came late to this fascinating discussion. Is there an original article link or two?

739 3 wood  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:26:59am

re: #698 realwest


Hey there my friend - how are you this morning?

Been and interesting few days, I'll email you.


Hell, even baseball, as lax as IT is in regards to rules, finally figured out that teams would put a scout in the bleachers with binoculars to pick off the other team's catcher's signals or the way the other team's pitcher was holding the ball, and they promptly outlawed it (and enforced it).

Yep, that's why they got a guy in the clubhouse now just watching the TV and relaying the signals. You may notice that when the home team hits you get very few center field camera shots on the local broadcast.

Again, I'm not saying Belichick is a saint, just that he got caught. It's like Mission: Impossible, if you get caught we will disavow any knowlege of your actions.

Just like hitters with corked bats out there in baseball. Sammy Sosa was far from the only one, he just got sloppy with it. There's others doing it now. I can hear it over the TV when they hit the ball. We used a corked bat at times in college and I can recognize the sound.

740 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:27:07am

re: #734 NoSubmission

some people hate the comments so much, because of ease of abuse, that they're abusing them and giving negative votes to others, just to prove that it'll happen.

Kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Another option may be people who just plain don't like you and are going to negate alot of your posts 'just to show you.' . . heh.

741 Shemesh  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:29:48am

More Truthers in the U.K.

[Link: commentisfree.guardian.co.uk...]

And this after Clare Short (former minister in the Labour government) blamed Israel for being responisble for global warming.

[Link: www.israelated.com...]

742 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:30:59am
One Bush administration official said Israel had recently carried out reconnaissance flights over Syria, taking pictures of possible nuclear installations that Israeli officials believed might have been supplied with material from North Korea. The administration official said Israeli officials believed that North Korea might be unloading some of its nuclear material on Syria.

“The Israelis think North Korea is selling to Iran and Syria what little they have left,” the official said. He said it was unclear whether the Israeli strike had produced any evidence that might validate that belief.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were discussing a military action by another government

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

743 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:31:37am

re: #737 Kenneth

Yes indeed. "Oh, it wasn't us! We want peace!..."

then they walk into another room and see the other group and say "Hey, good work... you guys want to join us for goat-pee tea and naked young boys dancing?"

then they... well, you know.

/ yes I said it... but people who engage in terrorism deserve to be insulted.

744 southernborn  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:32:11am

#715 Kenneth

re: #702 galloping granny

True, the isotopes would not be destroyed, but the machined parts would be, and those would have proven the source. Still, it would be extremely difficult to go in to a secure facility and take the parts out jsut to make a new conference. Better to destroy them than let them keep them. Also, the nuclear scientists & engineers are a limitied resource and take years to replace.

#703 storagemanager

Wasn't a delagation of Iranians in North Korea last week, or was it the other way around? I don't imagine they were discussing kim-chi exports

They have formed an alliance. In the end it will be us and Israel. and time is running out. Should have foiled that long ago.

745 NoSubmission  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:32:35am

re: #740 LanceKates
How petty. We are fighting for our lives and for Western civilization here. Introducing a method for personal abuse is destructive. If I saw negative ratings on my comments, I would feel bad. If you don't like someone's comment, then so what? Move on. Read something else. It's that easy.

For the most part, I like everyone here. Everyone has a different point of view and something to offer. We have to disagree on things, otherwise, what's the point of discussion.

746 wargammer2005  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:32:39am

i still beleive that people like deval pattrick NEVER cared about those killed on 9/11 in the first place.

to them, 9/11 was just another excuse to raise taxes and take more control of the lives of people.

747 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:33:19am

re: #731 Kenneth

re: #721 galloping granny

Yes, that's quite true. I'm just thinking about a smoking-gun news conference were the Israelis put a NoKo centrifuge or missile warhead on a table and call in the press. Pointless exersize though, the msm would ignore it and the Arab media would claim it's all a Zionist plot.

Now Bush is set to give a speech tomorrow night, supposedly about Iraq. Might he mention this? Could be interesting. Meanwhile,

The 'proxy war': UK troops are sent to Iranian border ...things are getting hotter in Iraq.

AFter the way the Brits hightailed it the hell out of Basra, I don't know why anyone would bother to send them to the Iraq-Iran border. What are they there for? To surrender that too?

/No offense intended to British Lizards. I know that you are not your current government.

748 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:33:57am

Why the U.K. left Basra...

British forces have been sent from Basra to the volatile border with Iran amid warnings from the senior US commander in Iraq that Tehran is fomenting a "proxy war".

In signs of a fast-developing confrontation, the Iranians have threatened military action in response to attacks launched from Iraqi territory while the Pentagon has announced the building of a US base and fortified checkpoints at the frontier.

The UK operation, in which up to 350 troops are involved, has come at the request of the Americans, who say that elements close to the Iranian regime have stepped up supplies of weapons to Shia militias in recent weeks in preparation for attacks inside Iraq.

[Link: news.independent.co.uk...]

749 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:34:51am

re: #745 NoSubmission

I agree. I don't have an issue with the comments rating, and they exist as they do only temporarily. Charles had mentioned that he may use an auto-notify feature if the comments get below a certain point (which would give him 1 email about a comment needing deletion than 50+ emails per comment.)

Or a filter system in which you can set your filter to only show comments above X.

If that can be done, I'd personally love a feature to filter out certain posters... as I'm sure a few would like to do to me.

750 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:36:00am

re: #734 NoSubmission

I'm hoping it's an experiment that won't last long. In the mean time, I've turned the feature off in my preferences.

751 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:37:14am

re: #746 wargammer2005

I might agree with that...I've noticed that since 9/11, measures to allow CITIZENS to defend themselves haven't really be introduced in any sort of meaningful way, whereas government programs that are 'supposed' to protect us have been formed... thus the need for extra money... from us.

meanwhile, they each have a team of special and armed security to protect THEM from the same threats that they will not allow us to protect ourselves from.

752 grumpy old codger  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:38:03am

re: #470 Jim in Virginia

"Wishing and hoping and wanting and praying..."
She recently died of breat cancer. Famous for bring R&b into the UK

753 realwest  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:39:01am

re: #718 Judith Good morning Judith! Um, "Reporter apparently oblivious to obvious contradiction." well, it was a BBC reporter, no?!
BTW, if I don't catch up with you later, have a happy and healty New Year!

754 BabbaZee  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:39:19am

re: #732 realwest

they are there, click out and reload
or click out of haloscan and then click back in

I am working on posts
maybe that is making it blogglewanky

755 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:39:27am

President Bush sends killer bees to New Orleans ...gives them orders to sting poor people...

MERAUX, La. (AP) - Africanized honeybees, a fierce hybrid strain sometimes referred to as "killer bees," appear to have established themselves in the New Orleans area, the state agriculture commissioner said.

A swarm of the bees was captured about five miles from where demolition workers found a colony of Africanized bees in January, commissioner Bob Odom said Tuesday

[Link: www.lasvegassun.com...]

756 BabbaZee  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:40:37am

re: #750 Killgore Trout

me too

757 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:40:46am

3wood,

Signal stealing is part and parcel of sports. If a team is to careless to protect it's signals than it deserves to get clubbed like a baby seal.

Back in 1979 an injury wrecked Houston Oilers squad matched up with the San Diego Chargers in the AFC Divisional Playoffs. Playing at home, the Chargers were huge favorites. The Oilers upended them 17-14. The high flying Air Coryell offense was grounded and an Oilers DB named Vernon Perry had a field day, picking off Chargers QB Dan Fouts four times.

The Oilers defensive coordinator admitted after the game that they had won in a large part because they had stolen the Chargers offensive signals.

758 BabbaZee  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:41:17am

re: #755 storagemanager

President Bush sends killer bees to New Orleans ...gives them orders to sting poor people..

thanks I needed a laugh

/popping in and out

759 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:42:29am

re: #719 3 wood

No doubt, stealing signals is a time-honored tradition, as is getting an edge any way you can. But they were clumsy and amateurish about this, and will pay for it.

760 NoSubmission  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:42:54am

re: #749 LanceKates

re: #745 NoSubmission

I agree. I don't have an issue with the comments rating, and they exist as they do only temporarily. Charles had mentioned that he may use an auto-notify feature if the comments get below a certain point (which would give him 1 email about a comment needing deletion than 50+ emails per comment.)

Or a filter system in which you can set your filter to only show comments above X.

If that can be done, I'd personally love a feature to filter out certain posters... as I'm sure a few would like to do to me.


It's Charles' blog, but here's my 2 cents:
Why do all that when notifying the janitor is swift and painless? Do you really want ugly comments sitting around long enough to get 50 minuses before it's deleted?

That said, I hope it's temporary.

761 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:43:25am

re: #736 Dar ul Harb

re: #600 MandyManners


Darryl Holton got juiced this a.m. in Tennessee. Killed the kids in the midst of a custody dispute--the girl wasn't even his! I wonder why he chose the chair instead of the needle. Feeling guilty?

Hmmm. Missed that on the news. Thanks!

We haven't had an execution here since last May, according to Wikipedia.

I don't get why he chose the chair. That's gotta' be incredibly painful, especially compared to just going to sleep with the needle.

762 BabbaZee  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:43:31am

re: #752 grumpy old codger

I love Dusty

763 realwest  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:43:31am

re: #734 NoSubmission
Morning No Sub! Uh, what comment rating thing? Is there some place where you can see the total of your plusses and minuses or are you talking about the stupid + and - signs next to your Name on each post? (those you can block from seeing by going to My Account and hitting the appropriate button).
As far as I'm concerned, you're all Aces with me!

764 southernborn  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:44:01am

President Bush sends killer bees to New Orleans ...gives them orders to sting poor people...


MERAUX, La. (AP) - Africanized honeybees, a fierce hybrid strain sometimes referred to as "killer bees," appear to have established themselves in the New Orleans area, the state agriculture commissioner said.
A swarm of the bees was captured about five miles from where demolition workers found a colony of Africanized bees in January, commissioner Bob Odom said Tuesday

[Link: [Link: www.lasvegassun.com...]...]

hahahahahahahhahahahahah

765 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:44:26am
Report: 3 arrested in Austria linked to video threat by Islamic extremists

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

766 BabbaZee  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:45:47am

re: #762 BabbaZee

wrong link
that's someone impersonating her

dusty

767 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:46:22am

re: #755 storagemanager

President Bush sends killer bees to New Orleans ...gives them orders to sting poor people...


MERAUX,
La. (AP) - Africanized honeybees, a fierce hybrid strain sometimes
referred to as "killer bees," appear to have established themselves in
the New Orleans area, the state agriculture commissioner said. A
swarm of the bees was captured about five miles from where demolition
workers found a colony of Africanized bees in January, commissioner Bob
Odom said Tuesday

[Link: www.lasvegassun.com...]


African
ized honeybees? That's some racist shit, man! It's bad enough that the Zionists are being blamed for the bees dying, now this?

768 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:46:41am

re: #743 LanceKates

you guys want to join us for goat-pee tea

Excellent rotating title.

769 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:47:34am

Let's ask them...one more time...

Iran will not stop uranium enrichment, chief nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani said on Wednesday, despite a call by the European Union and UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon to halt sensitive nuclear work.

"We heard about this EU demand and we said our view," Larijani told a news conference, referring to Iran's repeated stance it would not stop enrichment. He said such an EU approach was "from the past" and added: "We need new initiatives."

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

770 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:47:44am

re: #747 galloping granny

AFter the way the Brits hightailed it the hell out of Basra, I don't know why anyone would bother to send them to the Iraq-Iran border. What are they there for? To surrender that too?

If directed at the British Tommy, that's quite unfair. There are tough soldiers who never shirk from a fight. However, if your comment is directed at the UK gov't, then it's well earned.

771 Judith  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:48:04am

re: #717 grumpy old codger

re: #133 Dublin(CA)Dude
Congrats on being smart to recognize the symptoms, getting treatment and, apparently, doing well.
As for cholesterol, the total level should be less than 200. It's the bad stuff, the LDL (low density lipoprotein), that should be kept to 100 or less.
And just to throw logs on the fire, there are still some concerns that homocystine may be the real culprit and not cholesterol.

Lots of the Irish have variant genes that reduce the ability to process folate. God for starvation survival, bad for homocysteine. goc is right. Ask to get your homcysteine level tested and meantime add a vitamin complex that contains folate, B12 and B6 to your life. And if you are getting it in a multivitamin, get a low or no iron version. (Some also people carry a gene that causes them to keep iron and that is bad for your heart.) Unless you are anemic, you don't need iron.

772 realwest  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:49:00am

OK - quick question for all of y'all - why do you think the Dem Presidential hopefulls were so silent about Moveon's ad about General Petraeus on the day it was published?

773 NoSubmission  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:49:27am

re: #763 realwest
Morning real. Before I signed in, I saw the plus/minus on. Now it's off. So I guess for those who aren't registered, the ratings are for the world to see? Not loving this.

774 3 wood  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:49:40am

re: #734 NoSubmission


I've got my comment rating thing on and I see some minuses. Now, why would anyone hit a minus on a lizard? What's with that? Just wondering why we even have this feature.

Personally, I could not care less what the ratings say.

775 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:50:23am
Mottaki heading an Iranian delegation arrived in Moscow on Tuesday to attend the sixth meeting of Iran-Russia Joint Economic Commission.

The previous session was held in Tehran last year.

"We try to review all agreements reached in the past six months to go ahead with our program as scheduled," he said.

"We have formed a working committee in Tehran to follow up implementation of agreements inked in the sixth session of Iran-Russia Joint Economic Commission," he said.

"We are to evaluate such cooperation in terms of political and economic fields," he underlined.

Iran and Russia are to study grounds for expansion of mutual cooperation, Mottaki said.


[Link: www2.irna.com...]

776 southernborn  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:51:03am

This is an old article. Perspective of another of our lib friends but it is a good read and it might apply right now. It is long be warned.

[Link: www.globalresearch.ca...]

777 redstateredneck  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:51:22am

re: #772 realwest

OK - quick question for all of y'all - why do you think the Dem Presidential hopefulls were so silent about Moveon's ad about General Petraeus on the day it was published?

They've aligned themselves with the far left base. They aren't going to say anything to piss them off.

778 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:51:30am

re: #770 Kenneth

re: #747 galloping granny

AFter the way the Brits hightailed it the hell out of Basra, I don't know why anyone would bother to send them to the Iraq-Iran border. What are they there for? To surrender that too?


If directed at the British Tommy, that's quite unfair. There are tough soldiers who never shirk from a fight. However, if your comment is directed at the UK gov't, then it's well earned.

I am well aware that these are tough soldiers with well deserved reputations. That makes it all the more sad that they are being hog-tied by their politicians. Nonetheless, hog-tied and set up to do not much other than surrender they have been.

779 BabbaZee  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:52:50am

re: #772 realwest

My question would be why was the President silent and what did the republican candidates say?

Of course the dhimmicrats said nothing! WTF did you expect them to do?

780 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:53:15am
BERLIN (AP) -- The dollar sank to an all-time low against the euro Wednesday amid speculation that the Federal Reserve will soon cut interest rates by as much as half a percentage point

[Link: biz.yahoo.com...]

781 Aladin Sane  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:53:16am

3 Wood,

What's your take on the whole videoing of the defensive signals by the guy on the Patriots' staff?

782 yah  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:53:37am

Anyone have any updates on the Vietnam Memorial?

783 redstateredneck  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:53:58am

Not only are liberals smarter than conservatives, they read more books...
or do they?

784 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:55:02am

Is this an example of left-wing brain superiority?

785 Thanos  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:55:45am

re: #756 BabbaZee

re: #750 Killgore Trout

me too

Me three, not that I think it's a terrible feature, just don't like the distraction of the buttons. The look is cleaner without them.

786 southernborn  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:57:34am

#779 Babbazeere: #772 realwest

My question would be why was the President silent and what did the republican candidates say?

Of course the dhimmicrats said nothing! WTF did you expect them to do?

I enjoyed that one lol

787 realwest  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:57:48am

re: #777 redstateredneck Well some of 'em (sorry, didn't catch the names on FoxNews) have, very pointedly, distanced themselves from that ad - today. Maybe their overnight polling showed that unlike the bizzaro left, the majority of American's were outraged by it, as I was.

789 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:58:02am

Islamic Jihadi Union Talking Smack

Try pulling something off, then flap your gums.

790 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:58:08am

re: #760 NoSubmission

when you 'notify the janitor' you send an email to Charles.

Think of the bad comments... I could see him getting over 100 emails for bad comments, 50 for 'somewhat out of line' comments...

figure 2 or 3 bad comments a day could fill your inbox with hundreds and hundreds of emails.

heh.
re: #768 MandyManners
Heh, thanks. I'm kind of proud of that too, in an odd way.

re: #774 3 wood
I don't care much one way or another about the 'ratings' I get, though I find myself more amused at the negative ones and kind of baffeled at some of the positive ones I get. heh.

791 NoSubmission  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:58:16am

re: #785 Thanos

Me three, not that I think it's a terrible feature, just don't like the distraction of the buttons. The look is cleaner without them.

I agree.

792 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:58:18am
LIMA, Peru — Ten Iraqi citizens with forged passports and documents are in a Peruvian prison after an apparent bid to enter the United States on a flight to Los Angeles, officials here say.
An 11th Iraqi man thought to be part of the group is at large.

One of the men arrested is thought to have links to al Qaeda, said Peruvian National Police Col. Roberto Lujan, who is leading the investigation...

Col. Lujan rejected a theory that the men could be Chaldean Christians, a group said to frequently attempt entry to the United States on claims of religious persecution in Iraq.

"These people were not part of a group," he said. "Besides the brothers, they did not even know each other."

One man was arrested while clutching a flag of unknown origin. A photo shows the flag to have a white background with four squiggly blue and red lines converging onto a four-pointed light blue symbol that is similar to those found on Chaldean flags.

[Link: jihadwatch.org...]

793 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:58:20am
“Among many other things, 9/11 was a failure of human understanding,” Patrick said. “It was a mean and nasty and bitter attack on the United States. But it was also a failure of human beings to understand each other, to learn to love each other.”

How many bong hits did it take to think of that?

794 blacque jacques shellacque  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:58:30am

Never heard of this Patrick guy.

And judging from what I've read above, I'm not interested in any further details on who he is, either.

795 grumpy old codger  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:58:53am

re: #771 Judith
Too bad so many of us have the Levi-Strauss Syndrome (Bad genes). Look at Jim Fixx, did eveything right and yet died of a massive MI at age 43. Though his regimen did give me 8 more years than his other male relatives.

796 tfc3rid  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 6:59:05am

re: #773 NoSubmission

Looked through your photo diary of Sunday's protest/parade... Excellent work No Sub, as always... I'm just sorry I couldn't go and finally meet you!

797 Canadian Infidel  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 7:00:12am

re: #774 3 wood

re: #734 NoSubmission

I've got my comment rating thing on and I see some minuses. Now, why would anyone hit a minus on a lizard? What's with that? Just wondering why we even have this feature.

Personally, I could not care less what the ratings say.

I hated the comment rating idea at first. But if you look at this thread, most of the ratings are zero and no comment is very highly or lowly rated. I'm betting that comments go by so fast here, that no one really has the time to rate comments and abuse the system. And if people do abuse the system, the rest of us have moved way past previous posts and are too busy to care.

For most of us, liberals calling us a racist is considered a compliment. I don't think most of us really give a damn how are posts are rated.

/Now give me a plus for the insight.

798 BabbaZee  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 7:00:47am

re: #785 Thanos

I don't understand the value of the idea, in my analysis there is none.

However I do clearly understand what the rotten and petty hearted will do with the capability,how that intimidates many and will prevent them from posting, and furthermore how it could lead to disputes... and already has.

So... I am not participating in the whole ratings hooplewanky is why I shut them off, the look didn't bother me aesthetically speaking

799 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 7:00:48am

re: #783 redstateredneck

Liberals just read the same books, with different titles, over and over again: "Bush is An Idiot", "American Sucks," "Christians are Worse Than Muslims," & Oprah's latest "We're Poor, Dad's Drunk" Pick-of-The-Month.

800 realwest  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 7:01:29am

re: #779 BabbaZee IIRC, the repub's in the committe grilling of Petraeus did in fact start most of their comments by denouncing that ad.
Why Bush didn't say anything I don't know.
Maybe he was afraid of pissing off the loonies of the left before his upcoming election run (what? Didn't you read the KosKidz comments that he was going to ignore the consititution and run again?!
;>'

801 Canadian Infidel  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 7:01:32am

our posts are rated.

I deserve a negative for not previewing.

802 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 7:02:04am

re: #783 redstateredneck

Thank you.

from your link:

She also told AP that liberals "can't say anything in less than paragraphs. We really want the whole picture, want to peel the onion." [you know - like when John Kerry goes on an on and says essentially nothing. That sort of onion]

Maybe you shouldn't pay any attention to me. According to Schroeder, as a conservative, I've got a bumper sticker for brains. Silly me, I looked into the poll - which liberals have hailed as proof of their intellectual superiority - and there's not a lot there in "the whole picture." The poll found that among people polled who read at least one book in the last year, liberals read nine books and conservatives read eight.

When I called Michael Gross, associate vice president of Ipsos public affairs, to find out more about the Ipsos poll, he told me the one-book difference "is within the margin of error, it's not a statistically significant difference."

803 tfc3rid  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 7:02:06am

re: #772 realwest

They have made their bed and chosen their side... They are not going to own up to what they truly believe... Thus, the Dems are fighting a proxy war versus the United States in the form on MoveOn and the other hate/smear organizations.

I pray to God that their non-smackdown of the comments is used and ised and ised by Republican candidates.

804 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 7:02:28am

re: #778 galloping granny

Yes, the UK gov't felt they had to prove to their back-benchers the were on the way out, so they pulled out of Basra (actually, UK troops are still stationed just outside Basra). Now they are being sent to the Iranian border region along with Iraqi Army units and armoured fighting vehicles. So my guess is they mean business.

Read between the lines of Petraeus' report: Al Qaeda in Iraq has been routed, the Shia militias are on their heals. He mentioned capturing senior Iranian and Lebanese Hezbollah agents. My guess is the US will be going hard after the Iranian backed militias now. In that case, we can expect the Iranians to push back hard.

805 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 7:02:41am

re: #797 Canadian Infidel

yup. Most of the abuse that I could imagine would be someone wanting to 'stick it' to a certain poster, so they Find just their comments and negatively rate them.

or the other way around, giving positive ratings to certain posters just because of the poster.

806 3 wood  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 7:02:50am

By the way, NYT stock hit a new low yesterday.

I'm crying my eyes out.

807 funkyfantom  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 7:02:52am

re: #692 lurknomore

[Link: www.kuna.net.kw...]
Israeli security aborts Palestinian bombing

MIL-MIDEAST-ISRAEL-OPERATION
Israeli security aborts Palestinian bombing

GAZA, Sept 12 (KUNA) -- Israeli security aborted on Wednesday a Palestinian plan to blast a target in the city of Bir Al-Saba, in southern Israel, official sources said.

Radio Israel quoted an Israeli security source as saying "the operation was aborted and a Palestinian was arrested wearing an explosive belt who was to execute the operation." The Palestinian is a Gaza resident who succeeded in entering Israeli territory.

Israeli security forces are on high alert and claim to have received information about Palestinian planned attacks on Israeli targets on the Jewish Rosh Hashana Holidays on Thursday.(end) zt.

sab
KUNA 121405 Sep 07NNN

This Islamobomber will live to bomb again after Olmert exchanges him and a couple hundred of his Islamobomber comrades for a few bones.

808 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 7:02:53am

re: #788 Carl in Jerusalem

Did Israel destroy a chemical weapons facility in Syria?

Wow, that would be big news.

809 BabbaZee  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 7:02:58am

re: #800 realwest

oy to the vey

bbl

810 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 7:03:08am

re: #790 LanceKates

re: #760 NoSubmission

when you 'notify the janitor' you send an email to Charles.

Think of the bad comments... I could see him getting over 100 emails for bad comments, 50 for 'somewhat out of line' comments...

figure 2 or 3 bad comments a day could fill your inbox with hundreds and hundreds of emails.

Think of just exactly how long a really bad comment could sit on the thread if Charles waited for the negative votes to reach a certain number! And we think comments get cherry-picked NOW?

811 ChildOfMary  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 7:03:25am

re: #777 redstateredneck

re: #772 realwest


OK - quick question for all of y'all - why do you think the Dem Presidential hopefulls were so silent about Moveon's ad about General Petraeus on the day it was published?

They've aligned themselves with the far left base. They aren't going to say anything to piss them off.

And they are cowards.
Does anyone know which dim-witted Dem said yesterday that the ad was a poor choice of words and everyone has at times chosen words poorly? The ad was the words -- a carefully chosen, deliberate play on words. I only heard the tape twice and was not in front of the TV for a visual.

Morning, all.

812 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 7:03:54am

re: #790 LanceKates

when you 'notify the janitor' you send an email to Charles.

Think of the bad comments... I could see him getting over 100 emails for bad comments, 50 for 'somewhat out of line' comments...

figure 2 or 3 bad comments a day could fill your inbox with hundreds and hundreds of emails.

Is there an e-mail generated when the "report" function is used?

813 opnion  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 7:04:05am

ah,it was a failure to love each other.
The barbaric savages that did 9/11 just needed to feel the love.
That man has a bright future in Habitat for Humanity with Jimmah Carter

815 NoSubmission  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 7:06:21am

re: #796 tfc3rid

re: #773 NoSubmission

Looked through your photo diary of Sunday's protest/parade... Excellent work No Sub, as always... I'm just sorry I couldn't go and finally meet you!


Hello tfc3rid! Thanks! One day we'll meet up. It was pretty interesting alright. Especially when the parade reached the protests! Oh the hollering and yelling and screaming! LOL!

816 Thanos  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 7:14:22am

Kucinich hires REMF as campaign manager

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

817 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 7:16:33am

re: #746 wargammer2005

i still beleive that people like deval pattrick NEVER cared about those killed on 9/11 in the first place.

to them, 9/11 was just another excuse to raise taxes and take more control of the lives of people.

Now that you've mentioned Deval Patrick, I'll say that I found it interesting that his campaign slogan mirrors that of the illegal alien activists.

¡ Sí, Se Puede !

818 redstateredneck  Wed, Sep 12, 2007 7:16:42am

re: #811 ChildOfMary