He's obviously lying and has been tortured and forced to say such things. He's only a freedom fighter trying to free his people from tyrannical George Bush and the oppression of the USA.

In breaking organized crime groups, the critical point comes when members start to decide that the ones to "turn" first and give valuable evidence on the rest will get the best deals from the prosecutors. Then it turns into a race for the door.

The truth shall set you free

Simply amazing.

All of these halfwits are so committed to Allah and Holy Jihad they want to martyr themselves for the cause.

And then, when caught, sing like a canary. What really goes in in their primitive cortex's?

Interesting little detail on the recent strike on Syria:

Also Wednesday, a Lebanese minister said his country experienced communications disruptions following the reported IAF incursion into Syria.

Lebanon's Communications Minister Marwan Hamadeh told Al-Mustaqbal television that, following an extensive inquiry with cellular telephone companies and the Lebanese military, it was determined that the disruptions were caused by satellites and from sources out at sea.

Hamadeh did not go into further details regarding the source of the disruptions, but said that they communications all but returned to normal after about five days.

Anyone know of any type of EMP weapon short of a nuclear explosion that can disrupt communications like this?

The geometrically round holes in his nostrils could only have been caused by CIA torture instruments. Don't be fooled, like the rest of the inhabitants of this planet.

#2?

As a new Lizardoid, I wonder if the guy's going to get the "islamophobe" charge levelled at him. After all, it's easier for 'moderates' to hammer other moderates than support them.

Prophet Geoff

This is actually believable since it wasn't reported on the BBC.

He'd better watch Hiz but-Hairs -- he's a marked man for sure.

re: #5 Maine's Michael

Interesting little detail on the recent strike on Syria:

Also Wednesday, a Lebanese minister said his country experienced communications disruptions following the reported IAF incursion into Syria.

Lebanon's Communications Minister Marwan Hamadeh told Al-Mustaqbal television that, following an extensive inquiry with cellular telephone companies and the Lebanese military, it was determined that the disruptions were caused by satellites and from sources out at sea.

Hamadeh did not go into further details regarding the source of the disruptions, but said that they communications all but returned to normal after about five days.

Anyone know of any type of EMP weapon short of a nuclear explosion that can disrupt communications like this?

I don't know, but I thought I'd read something in the last year about research into some kind of conventional munition to generate EMP.

/or did i dream it?

Yeah Yeah Yeah - They are recruiting the native British into radical Islam using both subtle and overt techniques. And then they will take over.

Like that is going to happen. Sheesh.

BTW - does anyone here know where I can buy one of those hip "peace scarves" that all my friends are wearing?

/Hippie Chick Off

Loving it!
More, Faster, PLEASE!

Hizb ut-Tahrir? Evil agenda? I'm shocked--shocked!
/

Where do you get the embed code for this clip?

This is so obvious. This guy was taunted into submission by those Us soldiers that did not try to be smart that John Kerry told us about.
I am betting that he was treated in heinous fashion by having panties placed on his head. I would not be suprised if those soldiers mocked the pictures of his goat girlfriend.

always nice to start the day with a little good news!

COOL

re: #13 BabbaZee

Where do you get the embed code for this clip?

Hit the 'select clip' button and see if that works.

The clip is shredded.

I want panties placed on my head, please.

Last time that happened was 20 years ago.

I miss it.

He cuts right through the Bull Shit. None of the pathetic hand wringing that MSM does. We need more like him.

I don't like to go OT, especially so early in a thread, but since there's no open one yet for me to spew on, I just have to mention this - I'm stuck out here in LA, where, on one of the local stations, I just caught a bit of an interview with Maxine Waters, D Congresswoman from the local area; she's co-founder of the caucus called "Out of Iraq," and said, among other things, that Petraeus' report was basically written by the White House, and that MoveOn has phone records, proving all the communication between him and the administration in the past several weeks (well, isn't THAT odd?). In response to that, the anchor asked what she thought of MoveOn's despicable ad yesterday, and she said:

"I support MoveOn...I'm not bothered by their ad at all, I think they are absolutely right in this regard...we're all so busy DEFERRING to the military leaders in Washington that no one ever tells the truth, and it's obvious this General is just a mouthpiece for Bush."

Not even PELOSI supported that vile ad, I just thought Waters' words should be spread, since it's just a little local interview out here - couldn't keep it to myself. Sorry for the OT.

re: #17 NoSubmission

that gives you a link to direct link it
and then you can get the embed code once there

thanks

re: #4 maddogg

I heard an interesting comment regarding the word "martyr" yesterday. If you check the definition of "martyr" you get this:

Martyr:
"A person who willingly suffers death rather than renounce his or her religion."

I'm fairly certain that not a single soul in the WTC, Pentagon, the airplanes, etc. had tried to force the hijackers to renounce their religion. This makes the hijackers not "martyrs" but "murderers":

Murderer: "A criminal who commits homicide (who performs the unlawful premeditated killing of another human being)"

Since each of the devils who murdered on 9/11 filmed testaments and planned in advance, this makes the action premeditated. Since hijacking a plane is against the law in the U.S. (not to mention every other civilized nation), this makes their actions unlawful. Hence, they are not "martyrs" but "murderers" and should be referred to as such in any future discussion.

Never forget.

re: #13 BabbaZee

Where do you get the embed code for this clip?

Dom sent the code to me in an email... you should be able to get it at the Motionbox site:

[Link: www.motionbox.com...]

Conventional EMP weapons have been in development for more than a couple of years...especially by the Chinese.

re: #24 Charles

thanks ~ I've got it now

The fact that Hizb ut-Tahrir is still legal in the UK shows that they still haven't woken up. They're still allowing groups to preach jihad in the hopes that the UK will be spared. This is how the UK earned its current problem with Islam.
/Gordon Brown is a limp noodle

re: #9 Ward Cleaver

I don't know, but I thought I'd read something in the last year about research into some kind of conventional munition to generate EMP.

They had one in

Ocean's Eleven

, so it must be true.

Anyway, I don't think it would necessarily have to be an EMP to produce the kind of communications disruption described in the article. All kinds of other fun jamming gizmos out there.

re: #19 Maine's Michael

Crap. This place has become Comedy Central - tilted rightly.

They're going to kill him for this.

-jcr

re: #28 Occasional Reader
It's hard to spot Israeli jets when you are looking down and swearing at your cell.

Ramadan is here once again, so Muslims worldwide will be feeling especially pious & will take orgiastic delight in blowing up train stations, cafes, school houses, and movie theaters.

It's the tragedy of our age that the world finds itself impotent & powerless, unable to unite in defense of civilization itself, or even to condemn the avalanche of atrocities committed daily by Muslims.

Europe is a continent of quislings & cowards, and America & Australia are awash in moral relativism & political correctness.

What atrocities will be visited upon the world this Ramadan?

re: #23 cosmo
Of course, you are correct. I use the term "martyr" with a sneer, in all instances when referring to Islamofacists.

re: #26 BabbaZee

re: #24 Charles

thanks ~ I've got it now

becoming quite tech savvy aren't we?

re: #27 Killgore Trout

The fact that Hizb ut-Tahrir is still legal in the UK shows that they still haven't woken up. They're still allowing groups to preach jihad in the hopes that the UK will be spared. This is how the UK earned its current problem with Islam.
/Gordon Brown is a limp noodle

don't be so judgemennntal.
so intolllerant.

don't you know the key to survival in a modern, educated, enlightened society is to be all incluuusive. to welcome those of different faiths, even if they want you dead

because if you do this, surely, when they take over by oytbreeding you, they will be very tolllerant of your nose rings, pubs, soccer games, uncovered women, and your right to breath.
surely

/

Can we send congress to an Egyptian prison. That might get them to spill the beans about all there evil plots.

re: #31 Peacekeeper

The Axis of Evil is unfortunately alive and well. The IAF left them a calling card.

I'll have to watch this during lunchtime. Looking forward to it.

re: #36 rab3

Can we send congress to an Egyptian prison. That might get them to spill the beans about all there evil plots.

I think, from what I've heard of the Turks, we might prefer a Turkish prison:)

re: #27 Killgore Trout

The fact that Hizb ut-Tahrir is still legal in the UK shows that they still haven't woken up. They're still allowing groups to preach jihad in the hopes that the UK will be spared. This is how the UK earned its current problem with Islam.
/Gordon Brown is a limp noodle

Yes, but what Islamic organizations are illegal in the US?

Back in the Cold War, the US government had no problem placing pressure on the Communist Party. They had people identify if they were or ever had been members on job applications, for instance. That evolved into "Are you or have you ever been a member of an organization that advocates the violent overthrow of the US Government?"

Islamists explicitly call for the violent overthrow of the US Government and its replacement by a caliphate. This time around, however, we seem to be caught up in the idea that this is some form of religious expression, which it is. But it has no business being protected as free speech, just as calling for it under Communism wasn't protected.

I'd say the entire West is screwed up on this issue - Switzerland seems to be the only place openly debating the idea of expelling people who want to destroy their country.

re: #39 maddogg

re: #36 rab3

Can we send congress to an Egyptian prison. That might get them to spill the beans about all there evil plots.

I think, from what I've heard of the Turks, we might prefer a Turkish prison:)

well at least Barney Frank and Larry Craig might

re: #35 Shug

The discussion with Government official at 20:00 is infuriating. They still don't get it.

Can someone transcribe this?

Can we raise accusations of "Dual Loyalty" now?

re: #29 Cap'n DOC

Is that a good thing or a bad thing, in your opinion?

re: #32 firebreather

Europe is a continent of quislings & cowards, and America & Australia are awash in moral relativism & political correctness.

I am reading Michael Goren's book Faith, Power and Fantasy, a history of the US and Europe's dealings with the middle east. Our history shows that Europe has almost always given in to the mid east's thuggishness, and America (and Britain) have not. But it takes time for Americans awake to the danger. They have in the past, and it is still not too late to do so now. I pray it doesn't take another 9-11 for that to happen, however.

#21 lorenska

Maxine Waters has a history of pandering to the gutter. You should have heard her cheerleading for the Rodney King rioters in the early 90s.

re: #46 The Sanity Inspector

#21 lorenska
Maxine Waters has a history of pandering to the gutter. You should have heard her cheerleading for the Rodney King rioters in the early 90s.

I remember that.

re: #40 karmic_inquisitor

Our problem here in the US isn't quite on the same scale as the problem in the UK (yet). Allowing these groups to operate in the open allows us to monitor them more easily which will hopefully prevent the problem from spiraling out of control.

re: #45 Golem Akbar

Our history shows that Europe has almost always given in to the mid east's thuggishness, and America (and Britain) have not.

No, that's because they had their eyes on the prize. Anglo-American mid-east policy has been all about developing and coddling sources of oil, and profiting from them.

If there is the evidence to get them banned

(incredulous)

you saw the film...?

I believe there is a very strong case to collect the evidence to get them banned.

acceptable evidence to this dhimmi includes

Blown up buses
Blown up trains
mushroom cloud over Hyde Park
anthrax cloud over central london
airliner flown into big ben.
tens of thousands of dead bodies

then, maybe they will be banned.
fools !

We're so caught up in this idea of 'religious freedom' that we're willing to let anything and anyone have a pass, as long as they couch their hatred in religious terms. If they just said, "I must kill you," we'd somehow rein them in, but so long as they say "My God says I must kill you," they're protected, even defended, by those who think freedom of religion must come above everything else. Somehow I don't think this is what the founding fathers had in mind - their definition of religious freedom meant that the government couldn't establish a specific religion that everyone was forced to follow, NOT that anyone could do anything they wanted and get away with it, so long as they called it 'their faith.' I don't think Thomas Jefferson ever envisioned the likes of militant Islam, and THAT is what we have to wake up to.

re: #45 Golem Akbar

I've heard of that book & need to read it. Maybe Europe's coziness with radical Islam has something to do with Europe's geographic proximity to the Middle East & the fact that large swaths of Europe were once occupied by Muslims, whether they were Ottomans or Arabs or Berbers.

Guy admits he created an environment that led to murder on his campus.

Lesson here for US universities?

re: #33 maddogg

Spread the word. I'm right there with you...isn't it (not) interesting, however, that the MSM just throws that word out like "freedom fighter" and everyone just sits there like Dewey Oxberger and takes it without so much as an inquisitive look?

Sad. As was recently mentioned here--we really are awash in moral relativism and self-loathing.

re: #37 dentate

re: #31 Peacekeeper

The Axis of Evil is unfortunately alive and well. The IAF left them a calling card.

Assad looks a lot like plastic man in that photo you linked.

I remember David Alan Grier protraying Maxine Waters on 'In Living Color' back in the 90's... It was great...

re: #39 maddogg

You ever done time in a Turkish prison?

Ever seen a grown man naked?

re: #5 Maine's Michael

Anyone know of any type of EMP weapon short of a nuclear explosion that can disrupt communications like this?

Hehehe. I don't know, but I sure like it!

re: #30 jcr

They're going to kill him for this.

-jcr

Which, ironically, would make him a martyr in the end.

I put it up at my place too, and added some background info links

this kid is still half brainwashed though

Re: Maxine Waters - I've lived out here for about 11 years, and know how hateful she can be, but I was even a little shocked at her today - I thought she would at least follow her party's line, most of them have (at least publicly) denounced that stupid ad that MoveOn placed. She not only spewed hatred (she also said Bush's plan to pull 30K troops out by next summer 'isn't enough for us'), she sat very straight up and said "MoveOn is a very high profile organization, and they're absolutely right." I just have to wonder if Pelosi will respond to that, but I'm not sure how much play her words will get, since it was just a local interview - as much as I hate her, I hope she gets some time on CNN or one of the national networks, so everyone can hear her and maybe she'll be held to account. (Sorry, sometimes I doze off and start dreaming mid-post).

re: #34 Peacekeeper

re: #26 BabbaZee

re: #24 Charles

thanks ~ I've got it now

becoming quite tech savvy aren't we?

LOL not even CLOSE
I make this shit up as I go along
Totally techtarded

re: #57 cosmo

re: #39 maddogg

You ever done time in a Turkish prison?

Ever seen a grown man naked?

ROFLMAO!

Did you have the fish or the chicken?

re: #44 Maine's Michael

Kinda reminds me Hospital Humor. Maybe why I enjoy it, and maybe why I decided to register when I got the chance. I like nothing more than reading it - except creating it.

re: #21 Lorenska

Yep, that sounds like classic Maxine Waters. Ain't she a peach?

re: #9 Ward Cleaver

I don't know, but I thought I'd read something in the last year about research into some kind of conventional munition to generate EMP.

I believe actual EMP fries the electronics completely, beyond repair/replace everything kind of frying. What you had here was simply a very thorough disruption and jamming, not an EMP strike.

The idiot at the end speaking about evidence kills me..
EVIDENCE? Never mind this guy's interview...just go to their damn site!

IDIOTS ! "Egg on their faces" he is worrying about?

THE WEST IS DEEPLY effin INSANE

BBL

L'Shanah Tova MFers

#66 Russkilitlover: I know I should be used to this kind of thing, living out here in SoCal and all, but I just can't GET used to it - every time I see something this overtly anti-American coming from someone whose salary I pay, I just can't stop myself from thinking, "what if one of our congressmen had done/said such a thing during WWII?". It would have been unthinkable to be so traitorous, and yet it goes on now, 1000 times a day, and these people are defended as being "true Americans for offering dissent." That line is getting so old I could puke, and these people shouldn't just be fired, they should be arrested.

re: #40 karmic_inquisitor

I'd say the entire West is screwed up on this issue - Switzerland seems to be the only place openly debating the idea of expelling people who want to destroy their country.

We have a philosophical problem: when Democracy was born we didn't think that someone would have used it against itself, so we didn't write explicit protective clauses.
The right of the People to overthrow a tyrant obviously implies the right to defend Freedom against any threat but, when a majority of Citizens falls into the trap of the subversives' lies, the right to resist a tyrant becomes somewhat difficult to claim.

In the present case, the "right" of the muslims to invade the West is defended mainly by the lefties...who will be the MAIN loser in a fight with islam, so the case is even more complex because we have TWO enemies of Freedom, supporting each other (for now) and any claim to defend Freedom by stopping the lies of the subversives and by stopping the invasion of the islamists gets labeled as "fascism" (while the real fascists are of course the marxofascists and the islamofascists).

Problem not easy.
We need great thinkers and great statesmen.

re: #25 MrSimplistic

Conventional EMP weapons have been in development for more than a couple of years...especially by the Chinese.

Okay, then, maybe EMP stir fries the electronics. ;-)

No one has the religious right to fucking kill me for being an "infidel".

End of discussion.

BBL

re: #67 cookielady

What about EMP-lite?

re: #63 MandyManners

surely you can't be serious?

re: #51 Lorenska

I don't think Thomas Jefferson ever envisioned the likes of militant Islam, and THAT is what we have to wake up to.

Actually, he did, and dealt with them accordingly... that's why he had a koran in the first place for stinking Mr. Ellison to put his poopy hand on.

re: #54 cosmo

re: #33 maddogg

Spread the word. I'm right there with you...isn't it (not) interesting, however, that the MSM just throws that word out like "freedom fighter" and everyone just sits there like Dewey Oxberger and takes it without so much as an inquisitive look?

Sad. As was recently mentioned here--we really are awash in moral relativism and self-loathing.

Yep, we are. I was listening to a local radio show this morning. They were having a little promotional contest: answer a historical question, and win a prize.

Question: Name one Roman Emperor.
Contestant answer: Lyndon Johnson.

What can one do in the face of such mindless ignorance?

OR:
Perhaps this guy can move in with Salmon Rushdie since his wife left. Got a link to her in your library?

re: #57 cosmo

re: #39 maddogg

You ever done time in a Turkish prison?

Ever seen a grown man naked?

Uh, no, and yes. Your point?

Britain is the hub. How interesting.

#76 cookielady: Very good point, I'd forgotten that - obviously my point was that they never meant for us to allow ourselves to be conquered and ruled by savages, in the name of 'religious freedom,' which is exactly what these fundamentalists want, as they slowly but surely impose Sharia law on us. But I know what you mean - I also know we're a LOONNNGG way from anyone even CLOSE to TJ in politics right now.

re: #74 Maine's Michael

re: #67 cookielady

What about EMP-lite?

Sorry, I am a complete techno-brickwall; nothing of real value or detail gets through. This is just my understanding of how EMP works: the electromagnetic pulse goes out and basically blows through every electronic circuit and cooks it into insensibility. It is a hardware issue; the actual circuitry is destroyed by the massive power surge. So, a lite power surge would just destroy it more gently, or for a smaller radius, but it would not just knock it out like a power failure for a while leaving the circuits intact. They are gone, baby, gone. Permanently.

I don't think Majid Nawaz has anything to fear from Islamists. Nawaz does not call for the banning of Hizb ut-Tahrir. He simply expresses regret for his involvement in the group -- like it might not look good on a resume.

And that final segment with the MP (Member of Parliament) who the interviewer has to remind him, "but you're for the banning of Hizb ut-Tahrir..." Yeah, I too thought the MP was another supporter of Hizb. So already he's back-traching. The Brits should have no fear, groups such as Hizb will never be banned, they're not (heaven forfend!) "terrorists!" The only possible "terrorists" for most Brits -- well, need I spell it out? and, "no," it's not Muslims.

re: #79 maddogg

re: #57 cosmo

re: #39 maddogg

You ever done time in a Turkish prison?

Ever seen a grown man naked?

Uh, no, and yes. Your point?

AIRPLANE! (comedy movie reference)

re: #84 cookielady

re: #79 maddogg

re: #57 cosmo

re: #39 maddogg
You ever done time in a Turkish prison?

Ever seen a grown man naked?

Uh, no, and yes. Your point?

AIRPLANE! (comedy movie reference)

Thanks cookielady, you saved me a boil over.

re: #81 Lorenska

#76 cookielady: Very good point, I'd forgotten that - obviously my point was that they never meant for us to allow ourselves to be conquered and ruled by savages, in the name of 'religious freedom,' which is exactly what these fundamentalists want, as they slowly but surely impose Sharia law on us. But I know what you mean - I also know we're a LOONNNGG way from anyone even CLOSE to TJ in politics right now.

I really think that the founders and writers of our Constitution were thinking that this would always be a majority Christian nation, and they didn't want the government imposing a certain Christian denomination on all its people, like the Church of England, and all the attendent death and murder associated with the long fight between CoE and the Catholic Church in that country (always depending on the current ruler's bent). This country was established for the most part by people fleeing religious persecution in the Christian arena.

They NEVER, in my opinion, meant that any old religion was okay to practice here. But I guess we don't need to debate that, as that's the way it has been interpreted since the lefties began to take power.

re: #86 cookielady

Exactly, exactly, exactly. The founding fathers meant what they said - that the government couldn't ESTABLISH a religion that everyone had to follow. The idea of freedom of religious expression has been bastardized to mean "I'll do WHAT I want WHEN I want to WHOM I want, and you can't stop me because I'll give it a name and call it my religion." And if it's in the name of a religion that someone claims has been discriminated against or otherwise 'marginalized' in the past, then heaven help us - we will not only allow it, we will encourage it, and be proud of ourselves for being so enlightened, right up to the time we're digging our own graves and wondering what happened. I could puke.

re: #87 Lorenska

I'll hold the bucket for you if you return the favor. barf city!

re: #8 cosmo

This is actually believable since it wasn't reported on the BBC..

Actually, it was reported as the lead item on BBC's main nightly current affairs program. But I totally understand where you're coming from!

re: #58 Russkilitlover

re: #5 Maine's Michael

Anyone know of any type of EMP weapon short of a nuclear explosion that can disrupt communications like this?

Hehehe. I don't know, but I sure like it!

Conventional EMP weapons exist. They just deliver smaller blasts of microwave energy over a smaller area

re: #87 Lorenska

Oh heaven, this site gets me through my day, I could never make it without knowing the sanity that is LGF was here to save me. Starting it with Maxine Waters on my TV and various and sundry outrages on my computer...having someone who thinks like me offer to hold my puke bucket through it all is just what I need to make it through another day. Of course I'll return the favor, what're lizards for? :)

re: #82 cookielady

re: EMP: an antenna is just a piece of wire. Conversely, any piece of wire can, to some degree, act as an antenna. When an electromagnetic wave going through the air interacts with an antenna, it produces a voltage. What an EMP does is that it produces a big enough voltage across the wiring of electronic devices that it damages the components

OK, the guy at the end who was a 'conservative' security advisor, was a complete idiot, but over all a great piece aall should watch.

27 Killgore Trout:

Gordon Brown stated some time ago that he wanted London to become "the Islamic banking center of the world." To that end, every UK bank now has 'sharia-friendly' banking facilities, imams sit as 'sharia advisors' in those banks and, in a report on an islamic sect this past week in THE TIMES, it emerged that the imam advising his followers to "live peacefully in countries such as Britain where they have the freedom to practise Islam only until they gain enough power to engage in battle" is the Chairman of the Sharia Supervisory Committee of the Islamic Bank of Britain.

Gordon Brown is not a 'wet noodle.' He is a traitor.

Unfortunately, Nawaz is both articulate and intelligent. We do ourselves a disservice by continuing to think that Islamism's leadership are nothing but a bunch of uneducated goat herders. They don't just want to blow up things for the sake of violence. They have a clear mission to implement a new political paradigm - a multi-national caphilate. Clearly many otherwise intelligent people are finding their message compelling. I don't understand how they can morally or ethically justify their behavior, but hey, that's me. More concerning, how many in the US have even heard of Hizb ut-Tahrir? I think many in the West fail to see the full scope of this issue. It's not just about terrorism.

re: #95 zenren

More concerning, how many in the US have even heard of Hizb ut-Tahrir? I think many in the West fail to see the full scope of this issue. It's not just about terrorism.

It's not just about al-Qaeda or bin Laden, either. But that is fast becoming the dhimmified truth. An islamic slight of hand trick.

re: #94 Cry of defiance and not of fear

Gordon Brown stated some time ago that he wanted London to become "the Islamic banking center of the world."

/my version fits the facts better.

re: #90 SpringheelJack

re: #58 Russkilitlover

re: #5 Maine's Michael

Anyone know of any type of EMP weapon short of a nuclear explosion that can disrupt communications like this?

Hehehe. I don't know, but I sure like it!

Conventional EMP weapons exist. They just deliver smaller blasts of microwave energy over a smaller area

"Hey Abduli, not only are our Russian anti-aircraft batteries gone, but my shawarma is overcooked and as tough as Samir's backside! Curses upon those Zionists!"

The only "good" thing about this clip is it confirms the theory that every single islamist group wants their little cliique to lead the worldwide caliphate.
Obviously, in islam, as with dog sledding, only the lead dog has a view.
After that, it's all butts in the air.
So, if we can keep these various groups well aware of the differences between them and also well aware of the dangers from one to the other, they will keep killing each other and mostly leave the civilized world alone!
Since they all call one another "apostates" I say, let's make sure all the rest of them know about it.

how many in the US have even heard of Hizb ut-Tahrir?

I have. It can be tasty, if you like chick peas. Depends which restaurant you order it in.

Just a few lame jokes, for the lunchtime crowd.

re: #93 coquimbojoe

"OK, the guy at the end who was a 'conservative' security advisor, was a complete idiot.."

That "guy at the end" was Patrick Mercer, Member of Parliament for Newark and Betford (and security advisor to Gordon Brown, Prime Minister)...(the Conservative Party) he was recently sacked (from a more high-profile position) for comments made in an interview...had to apologize for "racist" speech, etc...(Perhaps that's why he's so guarded).

What the hell is with that Brit MP who keeps hedging and equivocating?

Honestly, I understand pols need votes, but could they possibly consider this proposition ambiguous or ambivalently regarded by the British public? To wit, "Islamist groups openly avowing a Caliphate political system should be banned, harassed within the letter of the law, and prosecuted and/or expelled given sufficient legal evidence."

Instead of kissing their ass collectively, as part of the usual reflexive professional cowardice, is it really so hard for them all to say Goddamnit you people are not home, but that's where we're gonna send you if it harlips the guv'nor?

re: #105 kulthur

One of the stated goals of Hizb ut-Tahrir is to infiltrate western governments. The only western government that's taken some half-assed measures against them has been Germany -- due to the group's rampant and repeated racist, antisemitic statements...But because the group puts up a front of "we're all just talk, we don't endorse murder -- yet..." they get away with it. Even the United States has not called Hizb ut-Tahrir "terrorist". HuT knows how to play the system...(maybe behind the scenes it's bribes, threats, coercion, etc.(?) [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #98 Sabraguy

I agree with your version and I'm sure you concur with my conclusion.

re: #48 Killgore Trout

re: #40 karmic_inquisitor

Our problem here in the US isn't quite on the same scale as the problem in the UK (yet). Allowing these groups to operate in the open allows us to monitor them more easily which will hopefully prevent the problem from spiraling out of control.

Majid Nawaz hasn't renounced islam, he renounced one specific group which is becoming increasingly militant. He now lives comfortably (barring any successful fatwa) in a rather nice dwelling with what appeared to be a spouse who is uncovered in the home (on camera). The slower jihad remains in place. In this video he demonstrates that he simply is no longer interested in the excitement of the fast jihad. He's willing to settle in, work on the demographic jihad and let the natural progression of rapidly increasing muslim demographics take its course.

My reaction to this revelation of regret is . So what? As a muslim, he still likely believes non-muslim British citizens remain kuffr. That's a big problem.

re: #108 justamomof4

Actually, I don't think he's even really "denounced" the group. He does not call for the banning of HuT. He disagrees (he claims) with their interpretation of Islam. And he expresses regret for his role in radicalizing Muslims in Britain. That's it.

For all anyone knows he could just be attempting to ingratiate himself and get back into the "good graces" of non-Muslims. Maybe get one of those cushy government or BBC jobs -- as a "consultant" on "terrorist groups."

I'm not sure it was defection as much as Majid Nawaz is trying to salvage his favorite organization from a bad situation; a situation approaching its banning. Life has not bean exactly a box of chocolates for the jihadis no matter how slow progress against them may appear to us. He also has to take a different tack after just getting out of a crap jail. Notice he is still full of answers.

Personally I don't care about his motives if he can convince one potential Jihadi to rejoin the human-race.

I wouldn't go as far as saying I'm optimistic but it does seem like quite a few of them have discovered the joys of apostasy.

On a related note, I walked past Mill Hill Synagogue today as the revellers were turning up for worship. There were bomb-proof ballards, cordoning ropes, at least 6 coppers and all the nearby parking bays were closed. I know German synagogues have been like that since the war but in the UK it's a 21st century thing...

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doh! sorry but my attempt at wishing bnei-yisrael a cheery new year in their native tongue wasn't let through. I hope Charles hasn't got himself an anti-semitic server...

re: #112 solus

Agreed. Motives are not the problem. What is potentially a "problem" is the extent to which this former supporter of HuT has actually renounced the views of HuT. and, I'm wondering: "Has he?" HuT does not claim to endorse violence. They are a non-violent Islamist group. (Dr. Pipes in a number of articles has pointed out that there are non-violent Islamists, but they are as problematic as any al-Qaeda group. They share the same ultimate goals, although the means differs.)

re: #110 J.S. & #109 ploome hineni

Agreed. He's distancing himself either to protect himself from the govt. should they choose to prosecute or to save favor for an organization currently under the media microscope. Either way, his message isn't all its cracked up to be.

re: #64 ploome hineni

the Brits don;t want to know, will not do anything, hate you for bringing iy to their attention

We really don't, but thanks for playing.

Whoah! I was preparing for Rosh Hashanah, and my brother and his wife thrilled us all with a baby girl, and I didn't see Charles carrying this. Thanks Charles.

Shanah Tova to everyone!

I'm sick of the idiots we have in charge over here. The party that's meant to be right-wing has headed over to the left, in the name of "modernisation" (also known as compromise... Cameron is a moron).

I've since found out one of the main reasons we are having such problems here in Britain. I might not be able to explain this properly, but I'll try (others might have greater knowledge).
There is a scottish parliament, a welsh parliament (not entirely sure about an irish parliament - maybe so)... there is no english parliament.

Do you want to know who the english people voted for? Conservatives (right-wing).
How do labour keep getting elected? The not english brits vote for them.
Why do they keep voting for labour? Because labour gives them benefits that we don't get. (note: Gordon Brown is scottish. Also he was unelected. Oh, our political system works sooo well. Sigh.)

[Link: www.thecep.org.uk...]

"Taxation without representation is tyranny." The founding fathers got it right, that's for sure.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Take a look at the HUGE AMOUNT OF BLUE in the english areas.
M I Rite?!

re: #119 MattMacD

Yep. U R rite...So, will Gordon Brown be elected as Prime Minister you think-- conservatives defeated? (Tony Blair, I hear, was also a Scot...also read that England does not have what's termed a "devolved executive" -- unlike Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland which have their own executive and have some executive/legislative control, but England does not. I heard that Scotland (or some in Scotland anyway) are thinking about separation -- becoming a fully sovereign state...)

(and Shanah Tova, all).

My step-dad, a scot, thinks the people who want scottish independence are crazy.

I think they're crazy that they're voting largely for the liberal democrats! But I guess that party would also give the scots more benefits paid by the english tax-payers. Bah.

I, personally, think Brown will be elected again. Like I said, Cameron is a moron. Labour is losing support hugely, but Cameron is throwing that opportunity away by being New New Labour. More and more people are voting for parties like BNP and UKIP, but the right-wing voters in this country are just too divided. I still don't know exactly who I will vote for. I was going to just vote for the Conservatives, but with Cameron at the helm, no way. He's as bad as Brown.

MattMacD,

It sounds appealing, but on closer inspection, most of those blue swathes are wide areas of countryside, whereas the cities contain a great mass of constituencies. Labour won very comfortably in England. Shifting boundaries explains some of that, but the bottom line is Conservative appeal is not strong enough. Cameron's approach isn't all bad but we need to hear a much stronger common-sense attack on Labour's legacy, all those complaints, from someone with a less toff-ish accent. Labour has let down the working class big time and the Tories can appeal to traditional instincts.

Anyway, following on from your link:
England breakdown
Map showing what I mean (click on blue and red areas and compare)

re: #122 Dom

Anyway, following on from your link:
England breakdown

Aha, thanks.
Still, the lack of an english parliament as the others have really needs to be changed.
And I stand by my assessment of Cameron. :) I'm sure Brown isn't (or, Blair wasn't) "all bad" either - he's still ruining this country.

Better to have egg on your face, than a bomb going off in your back yard I always say.

MattMacD,

The Scottish parliament needs its powers heavily curtailed. I'm not keen on an English parliament which can only encourage devolution sooner or later, and which seems in line with the EU divvying everyone up.

My very casual analysis: Much as I like Cameron the Tories need a wise elder at the helm rather than a yuppie. Whereas at the time of Labour's landslide people wanted modern feel-good bollocks, after 10 years of these unionists and pillheads people yearn for common-sense - and Brown is doing that look that pretty well, hence the calls for an early election.