The Saudis are not our friends.

This has got to stop.

Rudy - will you help us?

When a man with a tea towel on his head smiles at you, assume he's lying

The Saudi sheikhs keep throwing chickens to the crocodile hoping the crocodile gets full before they run out of chickens.

Note to Saudi sheikhs: the islamist crocodile never gets full.

Maybe what we ought to do is set up a pseudo-terrorist organization and suck up a few of those Petro-Dollars. But - I suppose they'd expect results...

“If I could somehow snap my fingers and cut off the funding from one country, it would be Saudi Arabia,” Stuart Levey

I'm with Stuart. It is the birthplace of evil.

Send 'em a CAIR Package for Romabomb...

No! It can't be! Muslims lie?

/

Can't wait to see The Kingdom of Heaven... wait

I just posted this in the thread below: It's an awesome statement from John McCain that's worth repeating over and over again:

Senator Clinton said that believing General Petraeus' testimony requires a 'willing suspension of disbelief.' I think it willingly suspends disbelief to not repudiate an advertisement run by a radical left wing organization that impugns and dishonors the integrity of a man who has served his nation with dedication all of his life. If you're not tough enough to repudiate a scurrilous, outrageous attack such as that, then I don't know how you're tough enough to be President of the United States.

--John McCain

our govt is to scared to do anything against the Saud's.
don't want to remove the teat from mouth. i have no idea what to do about it. very frustrating

re: #11 Cap'n DOC

c'mon now don't do that

The entire Saudi kingdom is just about one major incident away from disintegrating. As bad as they are now, we really don't want to face what will take their place at this time.

It is dishonorable in the deepest sense of the word that the elite and the political class in our country still allow ANY purchases of oil from Saudi Arabia. We lack leaders here.

*spit*

HOw can you possibly expect saudi arabia to sell all that oil and NOT fund terrorists? That's just un-arabian...

Re #13 blutonazi98
"our govt is to scared to do anything against the Saud's.
don't want to remove the teat from mouth. i have no idea what to do about it. very frustrating"

Read ex-CIA agent, Robert Baer's book "Sleeping with the Enemy; how America Sold its soul for Saudi crude". Simply connect the dots. Bush family has always been in bed with the Saudis & never went after their 'friends' who made them obscenely wealthy. SPIT!

Cut "our friends the Saudis" some slack.

They don't just give to al Qaeda.

They also give to our retired politicans who had called them "our friends the Saudis" while the politican-elected or appointed- was in office.

If our politican called them our friends and ALSO managed to screw Israel, they might even get a bonus of more then the usual al Qaeda suspect.

re: #14 blutonazi98

What? These guys have only got one 'tourist' attraction, and that's it...

We need a "Manhattan Project" to make us and the rest of world independant of Middle Eastern Oil. It the only way to cut off the money that is the mother's milk of jihad.

Rudy says do whatever it takes, whether it be developing our own untapped oil resourses, nuclear, wind, solar, and anything else.

Why do we have friends who behead people in public?

re: #16 Ojoe

It is dishonorable in the deepest sense of the word that the elite and the political class in our country still allow ANY purchases of oil from Saudi Arabia. We lack leaders here.

*spit*

The oil market is international and completely interconnected. If Bush signed a bill tomorrow that prohibited companies doing business in the U.S. from buying Saudi oil, Saudi oil would still be bought, would still find its way onto the international market, and would still go into the tanks of American cars and trucks.

re: #21 Blastforth

It will take all those altenatives together.

The Saudis give more money to our politicians than they do to AQ. And the only I have personally seen refuse it is Rudy G.

We keep bargaining in good faith with back-stabbing Muslim Arabs, back-stabbing Muslim Persians, back-stabbing Muslim Africans... our political "leaders" are inept, uninformed invertebrates, appeasers of Islam, and willing dhimmis.

With friends like these, who needs enemies. When is the government going to wake up to this?

I keep telling myself that if the House of Saud were overthrown, the succeeding rulers would be much worse. This is kind of questionable, and just a question of preferring Islamists who try to stab you in the heart versus stabbing you in the back.

re: #23 Cicero05

Ways could be found to keep that fraction out of the tanks I believe.

The will is lacking, that is one reason why only lukewarm support for current administration.

Come on now, Bush thinks the Saudis are our best friends.

re: #24 Ojoe

the best is fusion.

then we can use hydrogen or ethanol to store the energy.

but it will take time...

who made them obscenely wealthy

You have a rather low bar set for "obscenely wealthy" I see.

a hydrogen economy would end this problem and only at a cost of 25 billion dollars. How long does it take to buy 25 billion dollars worth of oil?re: #23 Cicero05

This is total speculation, but when Barack Obama's wife went to London to raise funds, it is highly possible she was looking for Petrodollar funding. London is full of Islamists of the wealthy type, not just the proles. Has been for a couple of decades.

Blastforth (#21),

We might be able to become "independent" of ME oil, but it won't impact Saudi oil sales one dime.

re: #20 Cap'n DOC

i know but any reference to Glass factory gets LGF bad press from idiots everywhere.

/crap feel free to ignore me... like i am the voice of reason or something.

re: #32 apachegunner

a hydrogen economy would end this problem and only at a cost of 25 billion dollars. How long does it take to buy 25 billion dollars worth of oil?re: #23 Cicero05

Ten minutes.

This is one place where we could seize the oil fields and hold them. Time for the US to do this.

Re #31 Geepers

What do you mean by "a low bar for obscenely wealthy"?

yes please as an ex-navy nuke please please could we start building Nuke power plants.

did i say please?

/please

re: #32 apachegunner

hydrogen is NOT a source of energy.
it is only a method of storing energy

Washington is awash in Arab money. The Left is so clueless; the so-called "Zionist-Israeli" lobby the Left hyperventilates about is positively dwarfed by the gigantic pro-Muslim, pro-Arab lobby, which lines the pockets of our corrupt politicians, our morally backward universities, our public coffers, and our media.

The FBI doesn't undero sensitivity training so as not to offend the delicate sensibilities of Jews-- they do for Muslims. Harvard & Berkeley don't allocate millions of dollars to the "New Zionist" project-- they allocate those monies towards pro-Islamic, pro-Palestinian, pro-terrorist syllabuses, courses, curricula, and other propaganda. Airports & public parks are not installing foot washes & special prayer rooms for Jews or Christians-- they are for Muslims. This is total dhimmitude & abject cowardice, of the most humiliating sort.

re: #39 blutonazi98

Solar is good too. I've designed houses that are basically heated by the sun and that's it.

re: #42 Ojoe

re: #39 blutonazi98

Solar is good too. I've designed houses that are basically heated by the sun and that's it.

Works in Texas in the summer.

OldLineTexan

Dennis Miller said it best the other day,

"The Saudis are the adult version of an imaginary friend."

I tend to agree.

re: #39 blutonazi98
NPPOC at Belvoir Blutto? I graduated from there back in 74...

re: #35 blutonazi98

My excuse? I used the word 'accident', albeit in tickies...

re: #29 brakes

Come on now, Bush thinks the Saudis are our best friends.

Was it the hand-holding or the smooching that gave him away?

OldLineTexan

Most of these Saudi "Al Qaeda financiers" are doing it through Al-Haramain -- the very "charity" whose trial I covered in my previous report!

It seems to me that no government can really fight the WOT because assassinations are off limits now. Were they not, we would simply be taking out major al Qaeda financiers and the word would get around fast that such activities are being discouraged. The situation argues for a private group to develop such capacity with global reach. Many of the targets visit Europe regularly where a team would have better access.

re: #40 wargammer2005
yes but the fuel cell converts War, but I bet ya already knew that right?

Charles, why limit your description of Saudi Arabia to its being only a "religious apartheid" kingdom? Plenty of testimony to the effect that, claims of Dar al Islam unity notwithstanding, Saudi Arabia is frequently a hell for non-Arab Muslims.

Seems to me to merit the designation of "racial/religious apartheid kingdom."

re: #34 Geepers

I realize that China, India, etc, will pick up any demand but maybe we can drive the price down enough to make it hurt (or at least not so damned profitable of OPEC) and maybe, just maybe we can develop an energy alternative to oil that no one can resist. If we went at it with same drive and determination as the moon shot, we could do it.

Whatever happened to the "can do" spirit of this country. Remember, the last four letters of american are "I can."

How many of the names of the Saudi terror financiers are etched into the wall of the donor list to the Jimmah Carter Library and Foundation. More than a few in my opinion. Ditto for Harvard and many other universities with Muslim Student Association cells.

re: #47 OldLineTexan

Both.

The CIA should start assinating the jihad financers weather the Saudi's like it or not.

re: #43 OldLineTexan

Did you know that WT Sherman said:

"If I owned Hell and Texas, I'd rent out Texas and live in Hell."

But I've been to Texas, and I liked it. great people.

The houses I designed were in Northern California, cold enough in winter;
& you can get hundreds of thousands of BTUs every day from the sun.

re: #55 Black George Bush

The CIA should start assinating the jihad financers weather the Saudi's like it or not.

"assinating" -- is that like giving them super-wedgies?

re: #49 DaMav

I thought the ban on assassinations only applied to government officials of other nations, not private citizens?

"Despite some efforts as a U.S. ally in the war on terror, Levey says Saudi Arabia has dropped the ball."
Doesn't this assume they're playing on our team?

re: #33 yenta-fada

This is total speculation, but when Barack Obama's wife went to London to raise funds, it is highly possible she was looking for Petrodollar funding. London is full of Islamists of the wealthy type, not just the proles. Has been for a couple of decades.

If she was successful, it may explain this:

Israel supporters unhappy about Obama/Brzezinski

"It is a tremendous mistake for Barack Obama to select as a foreign policy adviser the one person in public life who has chosen to support a bigoted book," said Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz. The story by Ben Smith of the Politico details the reaction of some Jewish activists to the inclusion of Zbigniew Brzezinski, Jimmy Carter's national security adviser, in his foreign policy team.

Brzezinski, 79, stepped into the crossfire this summer when he published an essay in the summer issue of the journal Foreign Policy, defending a controversial new book about the power of the "Israel Lobby" in American politics.

"There are people in the community that question Barack's commitment, but it's not based on anything solid," said the executive director of the National Jewish Democratic Council, Ira Forman.

Still, people involved in Jewish and America-Israel politics across the political spectrum expressed surprise at Brzezinski's high profile in the campaign. Indeed, the former national security adviser has been at odds with elements of the American Jewish community since the Carter administration.

"Brzezinski was a major obstacle to bridging the divisions between the president and the Jewish community," said Mark Siegel, who was Carter's Jewish liaison until resigning in 1978 in a dispute over the sale of fighter jets to Saudi Arabia. "I'm very, very surprised that someone would have him directly involved in a presidential campaign."

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

This would be so much easier if they didn't have all that damn oil the world's economy needs so badly.

re: #57 zombie

my bad zombie :{ spell check is my friend

re: #60 Opinionated

That is one funny nic!

re: #57 zombie

re: #55 Black George Bush

The CIA should start assinating the jihad financers weather the Saudi's like it or not.

"assinating" -- is that like giving them super-wedgies?

I thought that's what the Saudis do to Jimmy Carter.

re: #63 Ojoe

(meaning yenta-fada)

re: #49 DaMav

It seems to me that no government can really fight the WOT because assassinations are off limits now...

I may be wrong here, but I seem to recall that, for the US anyway, the assasination of any foreign head of state is off limits. Technically, since none of these financial types is a head of state all that is required is 1) the realization that we are AT WAR, 2) the realization that these people are THE ENEMY, and finally 3) the political will to FIGHT THE WAR.

re: #46 Cap'n DOC

orlando 88, idaho falls 89

you are one of the old timer nukes, bet you had a beard didnt you, ha!

i loved looking at the archive pictures of all the nukes on the Long Beach (the only real Cruiser). quite different from when i was in

re: #15 Wendya

The entire Saudi kingdom is just about one major incident away from disintegrating. As bad as they are now, we really don't want to face what will take their place at this time.

"W" -

And the Saudi Oilfields border on - IRAQ! - Think on that and draw your conclusions.

-S-

Like them or not, the Saudis are our primary oil supplier and our relationship with them dates back to WWII. The relationship has endured many a political twist and turn over the years and will likely outlast this one.
Our treatment of the Saudis was a profound embarrassment to the English in their relationship with Persia. We cut a 50/50 deal with the Saudis when the UK had a 100/0 'deal' with Iran. Britain's hard-headed attitude towards what they saw as "giving up their empire" and their threat to withdraw support for the war in Korea if America did not support them in Iran, led to much of todays unpleasantness in the middle east.

re: #55 Black George Bush

The CIA should start assinating the jihad financers weather the Saudi's like it or not.

It's not the Saudis that are the real problem. It is our own domestic apologists. Someone would leak the strikes to the NY Times, it would dump it on the front page, Congress would have hearings and demand trials for 'war crimes', and probably get them. Some hapless sniper who risked his life to save Americans would end up villified endlessly and in jail for the rest of his life.

Until the collective will to survive and fight back develops, a private group may be required. It would certainly not be risk free but at least our own government would be forced into a position approximating legal neutrality.

re: #53 gymnast

Not just Carter. The Clinton Library, too.
[Link: transcripts.cnn.com...]

In other Arab "friends" news.

The Egyptians (to whom we give $Billions) are threatening.

'Rice trip must set conference's agenda'

Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit expressed hope Thursday that US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's upcoming visit to the region will result in an agenda and location for a planned US-sponsored peace conference...Aboul Gheit, for his part, warned of "adverse consequences" if the gathering failed to revive the peace process.

"If the meeting was held without achieving its goals of pushing forward the peace process to set up a Palestinian state, there will be adverse consequences," he said.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

re: #56 Ojoe

re: #43 OldLineTexan

Did you know that WT Sherman said:

"If I owned Hell and Texas, I'd rent out Texas and live in Hell."

But I've been to Texas, and I liked it. great people.

The houses I designed were in Northern California, cold enough in winter;
& you can get hundreds of thousands of BTUs every day from the sun.

It was Phil Sheridan. He later came to Galveston and apologized for that. I think he was after money. Lotsa people got rich in Galveston before the storm of 1900.

And I was just joking. I have a friend in No Ca that has a really nice solar system, and windmills.

OldLineTexan

re: #21 Blastforth

Rudy says do whatever it takes, whether it be developing our own untapped oil resourses, nuclear, wind, solar, and anything else.

Blasty, do you have a link for that?

Saudi support for outright terrorists is bad enough, but that's only part of the problem. The Saudis have also spent billions of dollars supporting the training of imams, and the financing of mosques and muslim organizations throughout the world, including in the US, Canada, Australia, South America & Europe. All this money has been spent to promote the extremist Wahabi Islamic ideology of Saudi Arabia. It has been estimated some 80% of mosques in the US are controlled by the Saudis. One would assume a significant percentage of the other mosques belong to the Shia sect and are controlled by Iran, while a few mosques serve the small Muslim Ismaili communities.

This policy has succeeded in spreading Saudi influence in the world. For example, the Saudis have been major financial supporters of the Turkish Islamist party, the Justice and Development Party. While soft-pedalling their Islamist roots, this party has now formed the gov't of Turkey. Many are wondering if the Turkish experiment in secularism, began by Mustapha Kemal, is now dead. It is certainly seriously wounded.

Shutting of the flow of Saudi money to terrorist groups would be positive, but it would be like turning off a garden hose while a river of money flows on to "legitimate" Muslim organizations.

re: #34 Geepers

Geepers, I wouldn't care about the financial impact on Saudi Arabia of American independence from foreign oil.

It's the policy implications that I would consider the huge payoff.

I dream of that as much as jihadists dream of the caliphate.

re: #74 squarepeg

Sure

[Link: neinuclearnotes.blogspot.com...]

I'm pretty sure he said as much in the last debate. But I don't have a cite for that.

re: #41 firebreather

You hit it right on the head, Firebreather!

re: #66 CIA Reject

Technically, since none of these financial types is a head of state

I am not a lawyer and cannot address the legality per se. But I am certain that any assassination squad formally sanctioned by the government would result in a major uproar from the media and the Congress, and the relentless villification and no doubt prosecution of those responsible. I do not think that the government would be able to pull it off.

That is a real shame too. But realistic. Just think of the endless uproar over what happened at Abu Ghraib.

The Saudis are also pouring money into South Sudan via Khartoum--clinics, schools, mosques--hard at work to Islamize (one way or another) the Christian population before 2011 when the referendum takes place. It is harder to fight them since SPLA leader John Garang's helicopter "accident" took him out.

Imagine my surprise

Hmmm...I'm guessin' this is sarcasm.

Heh heh

Re #60 Opinionated

There is some other history with Obama, as well as his longtime pastor/mentor Jeremiah Wright. (who has resigned his old post at Obama's church)

"From Atlas Shrugs. This deserves considerable attention and thought, especially in light of the following facts:
(1) Barack Obama’s friend Al Sharpton, with whom he appears arm in arm at a meeting of the National Action Network, is a known racist and anti-Semite. The National Action Network is a hate organization that is no better than the Ku Klux Klan or White Aryan Resistance (noting its behavior prior to the arson of a Jewish-owned store in Harlem).
(2) Barack Obama’s financial sponsor George Soros hates Israel (and also the United States).
(3) Barack Obama’s friends at MoveOn.org have not only knowingly and willfully sponsored anti-Semitic and especially anti-Israel hate speech at their Action Forum, they have published an official pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel bulletins that promote Gush Shalom and Electronic Intifada. Another bulletin raises the “divided loyalties” smear of “Zionists.”
(4) Barack Obama’s spiritual guide, Jeremiah Wright, has made racist statements and has indicated hatred of Israel."

re: #57 zombie

"assinating" -- is that like giving them super-wedgies?

rofl. Twirling wedgies should not be taken off the table :-). Regardless of what the "human rights" groups say.

re: #47 OldLineTexan

re: #29 brakes

Come on now, Bush thinks the Saudis are our best friends.

Was it the hand-holding or the smooching that gave him away?

OldLineTexan

Yep, that was fairly disgusting on all counts. That's when I knew that despite the rhetoric of our President, he was really going to do nothing about the source of the global Islamic threat.

Drill here, build lots of new refineries, more nuclear plants, truly invest in new fuel technologies, get out of the Middle East entirely, and let China deal with those savages since they'll need the resources. Wanna bet how long it takes the Saudis to shape up then? American imperalism and our horrid disregard for the sensibilities of Islamic culture will be fond memories for the House of Saud.

Sheikh Sattar, leader of the Anbar Awakening, killed in terrorist bombing.

In case you have trouble keeping track of the players, he was one of the "good guys" who lead his tribe in support of the US & Iraqi gov't.

Corruption with petrol dollars of politicians and government time servers dollars is a bipartisan tradition. Follow the money.Always.

re: #50 apachegunner

it still takes energy from an outside source to make hydrogen
and by the laws of thermodynamics, you use more thant you get.

re: #85 yenta-fada

Read about this also.Scary stuff behind the charming grin. I have to wonder if Obama was born a Muslim. If so, he still is according to the staus quo of that cult.

re: #82 ploome hineni

I see your point. But we could at least change our own policies vis-a-vis Saudi Arabia. No more "Thank you, Sheikh, may I have another?"

re: #39 blutonazi98

yes please as an ex-navy nuke please please could we start building Nuke power plants.

did i say please?

/please

I'm with you. I'm particularly interested in the Gen IV nuclear reactor proposals, which promise even greater safety and proliferation resistance than the current reactors. Some of these reactors even have waste-streams that don't have extremely long-lived isotopes and therefore decay to background levels in 300 years, obviating the need for special technology to isolate waste for hundreds of thousands of years.

The best one of the bunch, in my opinion, is the Molten Salt Reactor. If we could get the gumption to build these on a mass scale, and promote widespread plugin hybrid use, we could cut-off the money spigot to the Saudis, and thereby take away their greatest tool for spreading their salafist hatred throughout the world.

Re #75 Kenneth

I wish the simple truth about global Saudi funding for Wahabists through mosques and schools was on the front page of every newspaper in the world.

re: #90 ploome hineni

can we have the "Stuck on Stupid" general as Vice-Pres, please?

re: #79 Blastforth

Thanks, blasty. I think Rudy's my guy.

Defending Israel in an Age of Missile Terror

The latest missile attack on an Israeli military base in the western Negev may force Israel into a ground offensive that overshadows any diplomatic efforts between Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas. Israeli opposition leaders are calling for more than precision strikes on terrorist targets, with some seeking a repeat of the IDF’s 2002 Operation Defense Shield: the largest military operation in the West Bank since the Six Day War.

However, the Israeli government is hesitant to take action before the Jewish holidays and is already dealing with numerous terror plots and warnings in the West Bank, Tel Aviv and other parts of the country. Olmert is also concerned that Israel is on the verge of war with Syria in the north and worried that Iranian proxy Hizballah is likely to join a future confrontation by launching missiles from its posts in Lebanon.

Likud party MK, Yuval Steinitz believes that missile warfare will be the future of warfare in the Middle East:

The issue of ground-to-ground missiles; missiles against missiles; and missile defense is becoming very prominent. We have to understand that, if in the past it was essential for Israel to intercept airplanes, and to gain air superiority in order to defend the Israeli state, now you have to add to it missile interception capacity, because this is a main threat. This is a new era.

re: #86 DaMav

re: #57 zombie

"assinating" -- is that like giving them super-wedgies?

rofl. Twirling wedgies should not be taken off the table :-). Regardless of what the "human rights" groups say.

The "extreme" wedgie was what caused Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to finally break.

Recently a federal judge ruled that iran could be held financially responsible for the Beirut bombing in which 230 Americans lost their lives, as they are known supporters of Hezbollah.

I purpose we start a petition to our congressmen and senators (regardless of how spineless they may collectively be) to hold the magic kingdom financially responsible for the events of Sep. 11th. 11 out of 19 hijackers were saudi nationals. Therefore, they should be held 50% and some change accountable for the dollar value associated with the damage caused. And they should be 100% accountable for the loss of life, as Ole Chief Poopie Pants (OBL) himself is a saudi.

OK - History Lesson Everyone -

Arabia has only been "Saudi" since 1932. This was aided by of all people, the father of KIM PHILBY, UK Foreign Office employee of some note. The Foreign Office, by the way was NOT in favor of the Sauds coming to power. Official British Policy was to keep the Hashemis (King Abdullah II of Jordan's family) in power as "Sharif of Mecca." Basically, the Sauds were the strongest Warlord Family at a time the British were retrenching from Post WW1 Imperial Responsibility. The fall of the Saud family would not be the same as the removal of the Last King of France or The Last Emperor of China. It would be more like replacing the "Al-Gambinos" with the "Abu-Sopranos." Were Iran among our allies at this point, I'd get rid of the Saud family in a heartbeat. Were this to happen - funding for Mosques and Madrassas would dry up faster than water on the Arabian Desert. That it cannot happen presently is a shame, and, the world we have to live in.

-S-

re: #101 Dr. Shalit

Doc, you've got my vote.

re: #78 ploome hineni

We should also make note of -- and be concerned with -- GWB's feeling that Vlad "the Poot" Putin is one of his great buddies, too.

With friends like the Saudis and the New Stalin, who the hell needs enemies?

If it's this bad under a supposed "Republican" and "conservative," how dangerous would a Democrat prez be?

re: #90 ploome hineni

Oh my goodness, ploome, I was afraid to whisper it because I thought it was too early!

However: at least in Congressional testimony, the guy doesn't have a real inspiring speaking style. I know, I know -- but I'd want to see what's behind his blah delivery, how tenacious he is about his ideas, how willing to say flatly to his political opponents, "You're dead wrong about that."

Re #92 vagabond trader

Barak Hussein Obama was born to a Muslim father and non-Muslim mother. He attended a madrassa early in life in Africa. I suppose according to Islam, he is a Muslim. Obama seems to consider himself Christian and attends a Black Nationalist Church. (If I can call it that.)
I don't know what his feelings are about Islam, but I have heard his wife express things that emphasize the victimization of black people in America.
While I agree that racism is alive and well in the world, I would hate to see her as first lady.

re: #100 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

There a trillion dollar, yes trillion, class action suit pending against Saudi officials (and others) who've lent aid and comfort to terroists, including those involved in 911. I think is in a Houston Federal Court

The Saudis have oil we want. We will bend over and take what they give us.

re: #106 Blastforth

Well, I say we mobilize the Lizard Army and engage them to track down the details, and try and show some support.

re: #99 Cicero05

When I was a school boy, the most fearsome weapon on the schoolyard was the "atomic wedgie". I believe the sadistic guards at Gitmo practice this cruel art.

IF we were the imperialist power we are always accused of, this would not be a problem any more.
The world needs Saudi oil.
The world does not need the house of Saud.
Nothing in the world can stop us from going in there and cleaning house.
The fact that it has not happened shows what a bunch of whiny ass pantie wearing liars the libs are.
They can stick Marx up their ass.

/and this is the thanks we get for stopping Iran and Iraq from making the Magic Kingdom one of their suburbs.

Re: #107 ploome hineni

Obama's wife seems very angry about the treatment of American blacks and that has always been very ripe ground for Islamist recruiters of all stripes. A would-be first lady who does not like America, warts and all, is an extreme danger.

If Babba hasn't yet...

This one goes out to our "friends" the Saudis,

re: #90 ploome hineni

OT

imagine

President Petraeus? Iraqi official recalls the day US general revealed ambition
By Patrick Cockburn
Published: 13 September 2007
The US commander in Iraq, General David Petraeus, expressed long-term interest in running for the US presidency when he was stationed in Baghdad, according to a senior Iraqi official who knew him at that time.

That would be music to my ears!

So maybe it's not just succeeding in Iraq that makes the Democrats and other liberals so disparaging of the General. They see him as a threat not only in being able to manage a win in Iraq, but as a political threat, that perhaps being a natural extension of success.

re: #77 ploome hineni

I think the among the most worrisome things about the Saudis having money is the amount of influence they are able to buy in the State Department and the Dept. of Education. I would love to see some of that corruption rooted out.

Yasin al Qadi

Too bad the US doesn't have a Mossad-equivalent that can go after him, so hey, just drop a tomahawk on his turban, if we can't get close enough to use a hellfire. Sigh. A boy can dream, can't he?

The Repubs do not have the gonads to do what is necessary to shrink the Saudi influence...
20-30 plus new Gen 4 Nuc. power plants, that many new Cleanest Coal tech. power plants, use tax credits to induce expansion of the low margin refinery business, etc. Hydrogen tech/ fuel cells should be encouraged.

To do this they would have to develop some spine, take back Congress and tell the media, EPA and the Leftists to go to hell.
I'm not holding my breath...
Carter and the Demorats are in too much an incestuous relationship with the Greens and the tyrants in the ME to ever act for 'energy independence' let alone defend this republic.

re: #81 DaMav

I agree with you completely- unfortunately of the three conditions I listed in my original post:

-- Realization that we're at war
-- Realization that those financing the jihad are our enemies
-- Political will to fight the war.

Few or none are in evidence in a large portion of the public. As far as the gov't is concerned half of them seems to think there is no war while the half that realizes there is a war seems to want it to look like the beginning of "Saving Private Ryan" when it really needs to look like the Baptism scene from "The Godfather".

A big report well worth reading,
Iran’s Proxy War Against America by Thomas Joscelyn of the Clairmont Institute.

One of the most damaging and unwarranted assumptions made is that sectarian differences within Islam should prevent cooperation in operations against the West. A brief look at the evidence shows that Iran and others have had no trouble in putting
aside differences in theology to harm their enemies, especially America. Specific links include the Iranian connection to al-Qaeda
in the Sudan, a partnership brokered by Hassan al-Turabi, one-time leader of Sudan’s ruling party, the National Islamic Front. Next, there is Imad Mugniyah, Hezbollah’s master terrorist, who helped Osama bin Laden upgrade al-Qaeda’s capabilities in the early 1990s. The 1996 Khobar Towers bombing, long suspected to be the handiwork of Hezbollah under direction from Iran, may also have had a junior partner in al-Qaeda. The 9/11 Commission established that the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania were the work of Hezbollah-trained al-Qaeda operatives. There are disturbing signs that may implicate Iran in, at the very least, facilitating travel for some of the 9/11 hijackers.

“When the evidence is clear that these individuals have funded terrorist organizations, and knowingly done so, then that should be prosecuted and treated as real terrorism because it is,”

These individuals who are funding terrorist organizations need to start dying mysteriously then. If the Saudis refuse to crack down on al-Qaeda's source of funds then the U.S. is left with no alternative.

Hey we can be discrete. I'm sure a lot of single car accidents, heart attacks, and suicides can be arranged.

re: #117 Yosemite Bill

goverment is not a solution to this problem
they have cause it

Shouldn't that be "Jimmy Carter's friends, the Saudis"?

re: #120 Dirk Diggler

“When the evidence is clear that these individuals have funded terrorist organizations, and knowingly done so, then that should be prosecuted and treated as real terrorism because it is,”

These individuals who are funding terrorist organizations need to start dying mysteriously then. If the Saudis refuse to crack down on al-Qaeda's source of funds then the U.S. is left with no alternative.

Hey we can be discrete. I'm sure a lot of single car accidents, heart attacks, and suicides can be arranged.

Exactly! After all the world can be a very dangerous place and, as any insurance man will tell you, most accidents happen in and around the home...

re: #120 Dirk Diggler

"Hey we can be discrete. I'm sure a lot of single car accidents, heart attacks, and suicides can be arranged."

In the words of esteemed Jr. Senator, "Would that it were..would that it were."

Re #119 Kenneth

That tome on Iran's proxy war against America is making me depressed. I think it's time to watch Monty Python's killer bunny scene again.

Very interesting article !

WG 2005 - 121#
Yes I agree but we the citizens have to get the cowards in power to do something like get the hell out of our way !

The House of Saud is playing a delicate balancing act: Trying to remain in power while not angering their own Religious Right to the point of open revolt. They do like their our money.

I said it 5 years ago and I'll say it again today...

Saudi is a much bigger threat to the USA than Iraq.

In light of Saudi goals of increasing the price of oil, increasing Salafist influence and maintaining control of their regime, what better mechanism than al- Qaeda?

Interesting article on Saudi/Wahabbi history at Winds of Change.
[Link: www.windsofchange.net...]

The Fraudi's aren't our friends? When did this happen? I can't believe that. They always fund our Islamic Culture courses down at the high school! /sarc

Shocka!

And the price of oil continues to climb as our 'friends' manipulate our economy and drain our coffers.

Islam is Islam, and it is all evil. Sunni, Shia, Wahabi, blahblahblah, Islam is Islam, and Islam is evil.

Despite some efforts as a U.S. ally in the war on terror, Levey says Saudi Arabia has dropped the ball. Not one person identified by the United States and the United Nations as a terror financier has been prosecuted by the Saudis, Levey says.

" 'Levey'. Hhhhmmm. Sounds Jewish. I think we can discount what he has to say."

-Walt and Meersheimer

The Saudis, individually, will not make a wave for fear they will be swamped.

Not entirely sure we "give" them anything though. I'm sure someone correct me with a link if I'm wrong.

Re: #107 ploome hineni

Obama's wife seems very angry about the treatment of American blacks and that has always been very ripe ground for Islamist recruiters of all stripes. A would-be first lady who does not like America, warts and all, is an extreme danger.

Obama's wife really don't give a damm about the american blacks. She has her piece of pie. It's a hook she hopes blacks will latch on to..but they won't. All she's going to do if she keeps talking is let the islamic cat out of the bag.

The Royal family is not our frieds, no matter how often the Bush family entertains them.
They finance the Whabbi schools that idoctinate hatred of Americans & jews.
They play us because they want our protection for the time that their population turns on them.
The House of Saud & the general population there are hateful savages.

Dear Saudi Arabia:

Who's gonna buy your oil when you kill all of us?
Hope you invest wisely.

Insincerely,
Wookieelips.

P.S. Learn to fly helicopters without crashing, 'kay?

$80+/barrel

Corn growers/processors LUV 'em!

Damn!
Say it isn't so!

I wonder if Walt & Mearsheimer are going to do an expose of THEIR lobby? Ha ha. Then again, the Saudis are not Jews, and therefore, aren't biologically programmed to want to take over the world, right?

BHG

Why should anyone be surprised? It was the saudi's that attacked us, not Iraq or Saddam. Bush and gang lied to us to get us into the war and is still trying to link 9/11 to Iraq. We will be there until we get them to pass our version of their oil laws, the big oil companies will go in and need our military to protect their interests. Paraphrasing Nuremberg trails if you don't stop this illegal war you are complicit in the crime.
rohnnk