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Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 6:02:08 pm PDT

You can watch the President’s address to the nation on C-SPAN: Watch LIVE.

Here’s a thread for the lizardoid army to comment, as CODEPINK goes nuts.

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1 Sodra Djavul  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:02:23pm

When the blog rolls over, we shall die... We shall die!

2 meMarc  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:03:04pm

Thanks, Charles.

3 rw in san diego  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:03:18pm

Keeping my fingers crossed that the not so great communicator doesn't blow it.

4 mama winger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:04:04pm

Praying for you here, President Bush.

5 trailortrash  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:04:23pm

thanks charles, :thumbsup:

6 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:04:37pm

Don't have cable. I get my news here. Anybody know anybody that's going to be in DC tomorrow for the Gathering? Please.

7 mama winger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:04:54pm

Marines kick ass in Anbar.

8 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:04:56pm

Our last, best hope for victory.

9 ratherdashing  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:05:05pm

Good point, Bush. The jihadis have nothing to offer in Anbar.

10 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:05:06pm

Parallel between military might and diplo/business might.

11 nikis-knight  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:05:11pm

You don't need cable, networks are showing it now.

12 mean Gene  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:05:18pm

The Left just doesn't seem to think a country giving its word to another matters at all.

13 Geepers  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:05:26pm

Cap'n DOC (#6),

It's on all the networks.

14 rw in san diego  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:05:58pm

Good shot at the MSM.

15 nikis-knight  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:06:26pm

re: #12 mean Gene

The Left just doesn't seem to think a country giving its word to another matters at all.

Yeah, somehow Hillary doesn't see the irony in promising to improve our image in the world by turning our back as our newest allies are slaughtered.

16 jones  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:06:33pm

Hey Cap. It is all over the networks.

17 mama winger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:06:42pm

Thank you, Charles, for showing the Military.com advertisement at the top of this page.

18 BulgarWheat  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:07:04pm

Hey Nancy (Olbermann and Pelosi), Visit Anbhar soon you shit-heads!

19 mbruce  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:07:14pm

Plus all of the comic value coming up with the two minute rebuttal Silky bought on MSNBC

20 itellu3times  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:07:18pm

Also streaming on CNN and all over the place.

21 MidwestEngr  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:07:18pm

Is it just me, or is anybody else's feed on nbc cutting out? First ever on HDTV maybe?

22 gruntinclt  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:07:46pm

Attempting to have a logical discussion with illogical people will get GWB nowhere. The other side might listen, but won't hear.

23 mama winger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:07:51pm

Does Mr. Bush look thinner to you?

24 TexasYeehadist  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:07:54pm

Good Luck George, We're all depending on ya !

25 EC Marm  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:08:10pm

I wonder if CSPAN will have call in after the speech? There's nothing like hearing those people to lose your faith in Democracy.

26 Geepers  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:08:24pm

MidwestEngr (#21),

Yup, it keeps blipping out.

27 BulgarWheat  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:08:39pm

W's looking pretty good tonight. He's spelling it out very clearly and doing a good job.

Good job, W!

28 Charles  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:08:43pm

He's describing the Giuliani approach, on a much larger scale. Take back the streets, and drive out the thugs.

29 Badger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:08:45pm

What? It's getting better?

Nooo! Thats not what the newspapers tell me! It's all doomed to failure I tells ya!

30 jones  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:08:50pm

My NBC was doing that, so I cut to FOX broadcast. Much better.

Good plan to stress indigenous support. Nice when we can make this a proxy war.

31 jcm  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:08:59pm

Slap at the media for not reporting the progress.

32 Randman  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:09:08pm

re: #22 gruntinclt

You can't hear anything when your attempting to shout down the TV tube.

33 Sodra Djavul  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:09:13pm

The only way we lose is if we insist on believing a dishonest media. I'm making it a point from this point forward to lie to every reporter I meet. Even on a personal level, off the record. Just lie to the punks.

34 itellu3times  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:09:14pm

OK, it's a nice speech, but shouldn't Bush have someone else delivering most of it? I guess Condi doesn't have the "gravitas". Bush just doesn't get this whole communications thing. Sigh.

35 rw in san diego  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:09:14pm

re: #23 mama winger

Grayer, for sure.

36 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:09:22pm

re: #11 nikis-knight

Thanks! I do get one station. TV hasn't been on in weeks...

37 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:09:29pm

I'm glad he mentioned the murdered sheik and response to it. The Drive-by media wanted to turn it into a message of defeat and Dubya turned it into a message of hope and determination.

38 RJ77  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:09:34pm

"Sectarian killings are down [in Baghdad]."

"Iranian-backed militants..."

"Allowing former Ba'athists to rejoin the military..."

- Dubya

39 ratherdashing  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:09:50pm

"Our troops in Iraq are performing brilliantly"

40 Jimash  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:09:50pm

Yes he looks a little gaunt.

41 Palandine  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:09:55pm

#23 mama winger

Yes, he does, but I think it's just the stress of the job. I can't imagine what it must be like to be President.

42 mama winger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:09:56pm

If when we win this war, the Dems are doomed.

43 meMarc  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:10:05pm

I hear the low muffled drone of seething.

44 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:10:19pm

Oh no, they're killing the enemy!
/Koskid

45 Born Again Republican  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:10:21pm

re: #23 mama winger

Does Mr. Bush look thinner to you?

He looks great! So often Presidents look worn out and aged at this stage of their Presidency.

46 Geepers  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:10:23pm

mama winger (#23),

As a matter of fact I was thinking George don't look all that bad. The Presidency seems to inordinately age people.

47 Sizzlack  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:10:33pm

Wow...I had no idea we've killed over 10,000 Jihadis since January
aprrox. 1,500 a month is a pretty damn good number.

48 mean Gene  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:10:34pm

re: #23 mama winger

We're so used to seeing him with that bulletproof vest on we forget he's not that bulky in his upper body. :)

49 BulgarWheat  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:10:37pm

#28 Charles

Spot on. One exception, now it's the Petraeuos Method.

He did write the book. Maybe he took some notes from Ruddy. Something to consider.

50 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:10:56pm

How many in a brigade?

51 jcm  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:10:56pm

re: #35 rw in san diego

re: #23 mama winger

Grayer, for sure.

Can't think of a worse job, sooner muck out a dairy barn.

52 ratherdashing  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:10:57pm

Currently talkin' force reduction to string out the naysayers.

53 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:11:13pm

re: #47 Sizzlack

The koskidz are going to flip out about that.

54 rabidfox  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:11:13pm

He's not a brilliant speaker, but this is one HE has to give.

55 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:11:17pm

re: #28 Charles

He's describing the Giuliani approach, on a much larger scale. Take back the streets, and drive out the thugs.

it works

56 mama winger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:11:22pm

re: #41 Palandine

#23 mama winger

Yes, he does, but I think it's just the stress of the job. I can't imagine what it must be like to be President.

Who would even want that job? The weight of the world on your shoulders, and millions of armchair generals shouting at you that they could do it so much better.

57 MidwestEngr  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:11:23pm

Maybe the "blips" on the nbc feed was the energy released from the libs heads exploding!

58 ratherdashing  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:11:42pm

re: #47 Sizzlack

Wow...I had no idea we've killed over 10,000 Jihadis since January
aprrox. 1,500 a month is a pretty damn good number.

It's world class killin' that we have going on.

59 Catttt  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:11:51pm

I predict that when it's all said and done, Iraq will be a heck of a strong ME ally, with the best Arab troops anywhere (trained by the best troops anywhere, ever).

60 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:12:06pm

re: #42 mama winger

Oh, they'll just take credit for it. They'll say "America won because Democrats forced Bush to change strategy".

61 mama winger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:12:13pm

re: #48 mean Gene

re: #23 mama winger

We're so used to seeing him with that bulletproof vest on we forget he's not that bulky in his upper body. :)

He is very physically fit - much more so than I am, that's for sure! :)

62 Geepers  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:12:22pm

Charles (#28),

He's describing the Giuliani approach, on a much larger scale. Take back the streets, and drive out the thugs.

Yes. And how many people had given up on NYC as a crime-ridden shit hole?

63 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:12:25pm

Very dry corporate type reporting from the President. I do hope folks out there don't tune out to this critical message.

64 jones  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:12:42pm

re: #59 Cattt

I predict that when it's all said and done, Iraq will be a heck of a strong ME ally, with the best Arab troops anywhere (trained by the best troops anywhere, ever).

And US air power at our new bases in Iraq. He he he

65 itellu3times  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:12:46pm

re: #54 rabidfox

He's not a brilliant speaker, but this is one HE has to give.

Disagree. Doing the detailed numbers is a staff function.

... hey Charles, my page froze, wouldn't post a quoted and previewed message.

66 Sizzlack  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:12:49pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

re: #47 Sizzlack

The koskidz are going to flip out about that.

Which is so beyond retarded. They need to get through their thick ass skulls that whether they like it or not...there actually are bad bad people out there want to do good people a lot of harm...and talking to them isnt going to do diddly squat...there is only one option...its unfortunate but it isnt our fault they need to blow up scores of civilians

67 jwbaumann  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:12:51pm

"Return on success." Simple but excellent, and it puts the Dems in a really uncomfortable spot.

68 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:13:35pm

re: #62 Geepers

Charles (#28),

He's describing the Giuliani approach, on a much larger scale. Take back the streets, and drive out the thugs.
Yes. And how many people had given up on NYC as a crime-ridden shit hole?

not me. i saw what he did right outside my window.

69 kreigwagon  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:13:36pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

Oh no, they're killing the enemy Our Brothers!
/Koskid

70 mean Gene  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:13:47pm

Calling for cross party unity...but don't hold your breath.

71 ratherdashing  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:13:55pm

"A free Iraq will counter the destructive ambitions of Iran"

72 Kirly  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:13:57pm

re: #12 mean Gene

The Left just doesn't seem to think a country giving its word to another matters at all.

of course they don't. their word means nothing. so they expect no one else's committment to mean anything either.

73 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:14:14pm

re: #50 MandyManners

3,000? I think.

74 itellu3times  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:14:17pm

No, no, he's wandering, don't mix so much strategic and tactical and logistic topics in one speech. The Gettysburg Address it ain't.

75 Sizzlack  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:14:21pm

re: #66 Sizzlack

anyone...swap that our for WWII and say we were killing 1,500 Nazis a month...I sure as shit wouldn't be complaining if I were them.

76 Catttt  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:14:24pm

re: #59 Cattt

I predict that when it's all said and done, Iraq will be a heck of a strong ME ally, with the best Arab troops anywhere (trained by the best troops anywhere, ever).

Ooooh, the President just made my point. :)

77 cyberian_cartoon  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:14:26pm

Democrats take credit for all of what is good in the world, and they will call you a liar if you disagree.

78 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:14:28pm

Iraqi's have asked for an enduring relationship. This is what it is all about.

79 grumpy old codger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:14:31pm

re: #50 MandyManners
Approximately 3500, including infantry, artillery and support. Smallest unit that can fight as an individual "army". close to the concept of a roman legion.

80 Palandine  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:14:33pm

#56 mama winger (my quote function's messing up on me) :(

True that. As much as I loathed Clinton, I tried not to bad-mouth him too much (certainly not the way the LLL bad-mouths Bush). One, it's just not classy to constantly run down your President. Two, it's just such a soul-consuming job.

81 rabidfox  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:14:39pm

Good! He's enumerating the upside to an Iraqi success!

82 mama winger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:14:40pm

We must succeed.

We WILL succeed.

83 jwbaumann  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:14:43pm

re: #47 Sizzlack

Note that those are all counted as "civilian" deaths.

84 Render  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:14:44pm

re: #58 ratherdashing

A 200-1 kill ratio ain't slackin.

GETTIN
DONE,
R

85 justacanuck  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:14:45pm

Two things:

One - In the severely partisan world that is today's US political scene, Bush should have been providing more updates on Iraq, more often, IMO.

Two - does anyone think he might say something about the mysterious Israeli strike against a Syrian military installation - leaving a huge hole in the desert? Like you know, some shocking revelation...

If tonight's broadcast doesn't have anything "new" in it, you can bet the left and on the fencers will just tune out.

One of the silliest things as I see it, as I watch American politics from across the 49th, is the equal time given to the Dems to provide their always scripted, and predictable, response. It would be oh so cool to see Bush toss in something the Dems have no idea is coming -- and then watch them go buh buh buh...

Politics in this day and age is so acrimonious that I fear we are going to come to blows with each other. Or at least that's how I feel when I see someone smearing ours or your military folk. Or bleating about 600K dead Iraqis, or how Bush lied, stole the election, etc etc.

Argggh.

86 rappmandu  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:14:55pm

My buddy is a WH writer. Wonder if he worked on this.

87 EC Marm  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:14:56pm

Is this real? I don't see Bushs' hands moving.
/KosKid

88 Charles  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:15:05pm

Nucular! Drink!

89 itellu3times  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:15:11pm

re: #78 The Shadow Do

Iraqi's have asked for an enduring relationship. This is what it is all about.

Did you hear them ask for it?

90 gruntinclt  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:15:14pm

"It IS achievable" GWB

Right on, Right on!

91 Blackacre  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:15:22pm

That sound you hear is the head of lefties exploding in rage ('natch).

92 mama winger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:15:45pm

Oh he's gonna smack down Congress

93 Grok the Fullness  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:15:50pm

"...counter Iran..."

BINGO!

94 kreigwagon  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:16:10pm

re: #80 Palandine

#56 mama winger (my quote function's messing up on me) :(

True that. As much as I loathed Clinton, I tried not to bad-mouth him too much (certainly not the way the LLL bad-mouths Bush). One, it's just not classy to constantly run down your President. Two, it's just such a soul-consuming job.

You respect the the Office but you don't have to respect the man

95 winter_ridge  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:16:14pm

Come on Bush.

2 down (Iraq, and North Korea), with one to go, you slacker

96 mama winger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:16:21pm

re: #86 rappmandu

My buddy is a WH writer. Wonder if he worked on this.

Really? Cool !

97 Randman  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:16:31pm

re: #87 EC Marm

His hair does look darker. LOL

98 jones  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:16:42pm

re: #92 mama winger

Oh he's gonna smack down Congress

No, He is trying to charm them. It must be like kissing a pig. They have no shame, but he still tries.

99 jcm  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:16:44pm

America does not abandon her friends.
YES

100 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:16:45pm

re: #92 mama winger

He thanked them for funding! It's another one to aggravate the koskidz.

101 cyberian_cartoon  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:16:49pm

re: #92 mama winger

Oh he's gonna smack down Congress

Oh, I wish he would...

102 BulgarWheat  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:16:51pm

#88 Charles

I get out the McCallum for Nucular. I hope that he doesn't say that again. I actually have to get up and work tomorrow.

103 Charles  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:16:55pm

What's up with the ghostly reflection to the right? I think we're getting an impromptu glimpse at the back of the President's head.

104 rw in san diego  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:17:11pm

My recommendation.. stop sending funds to the Palestinians. An unholy waste of our taxes.

105 itellu3times  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:17:16pm

I like what he's saying, but the composition and presentation of the speech is awful. Sigh. Such things shouldn't matter, but they do, especially with these idiotic democrats akd koslims, who don't know content from crap.

106 trailortrash  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:17:18pm

re: #88 Charles

Nucular! Drink!

LOL

107 Geepers  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:17:21pm

ratherdashing (#58),

It's world class killin' that we have going on.

Yeah, but it should be 3,000 per month, but Bushie's ROE have our hands tied.

[disgruntled Bush hater]

108 grumpy old codger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:17:42pm

re: #104 rw in san diego

I'd throw in the UN, too.

109 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:17:42pm

re: #88 Charles

Nucular! Drink!

Oh no you don't. I played "Hi Bob" once in college.

OldLineTexan

110 winter_ridge  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:17:43pm

the one to go, is Iran

Bush is still a Slacker

111 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:17:48pm

re: #103 Charles

It's that alien again!

112 Sizzlack  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:17:51pm

re: #103 Charles

think its a producer with a headset

113 ratherdashing  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:18:10pm

re: #103 Charles

They're bushes. heh.

114 kreigwagon  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:18:12pm

re: #103 Charles

What's up with the ghostly reflection to the right? I think we're getting an impromptu glimpse at the back of the President's head.

It looks like a woman wearing big sunglasses to me

115 Catttt  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:18:18pm

re: #88 Charles

Nucular! Drink!

Heh. So many Presidents couldn't say that word - maybe we should change the spelling. :)

116 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:18:23pm

A nucular weapon is just as deadly as a nuclear weapon. It's not how he talks that matters, it's his actions.

117 meMarc  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:18:31pm

re: #103 Charles

What's up with the ghostly reflection to the right? I think we're getting an impromptu glimpse at the back of the President's head.

That's Carl Rove's brain.

118 TexasYeehadist  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:18:31pm

re: #50 MandyManners

between 3000 and 5000 troops

about 2 regiments

6 battalions

119 GeeWiz  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:18:32pm

re: #41 Palandine

It's not just the stress of the job, it's the stress of being GWB and the constant attacks of the MSM and the BDS crowd. How he deals with it is beyond me.

120 mama winger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:18:36pm

Military has done everything America has asked from you.

You have sacrificed, and so have your families.

National Guard has given many.

Oh God I am crying here.

This is a war of good and evil - and must be won even if it takes the lives of our sons...


Oh gee

121 Charles  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:18:40pm

Yep, that's the back of his head, all right. Watch the movements.

122 MrScribbler  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:18:47pm

It's not the "Holy Land," fool...it's ISRAEL!

This man is a blithering idiot. Right basic instincts, I suppose, but some strange disconnect between the world's reality and Dubya's.

He's got to learn not to blather on and on.

123 meMarc  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:18:54pm

Just kidding.

124 SnakeSpit  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:18:55pm

Now we get to listen to the democratic naysayers spin their cut and run bullshit. I haven't eaten supper yet. I'm afraid of nausea caused by listening to the cowardly bastards.

125 itellu3times  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:18:57pm

I hear about three different writers, and indifferent editing.

126 Sizzlack  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:18:58pm

actually it kind of looks like the back of Bushs head...it seems to move with him

127 jetprop  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:19:06pm

MSM: Deaths in Iraq reach grim milestone as over 13,000 enemy jihadis have been captured or killed since January...
/wishful thinking

128 jcm  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:19:09pm

Now if he'd announce strikes on Iran's nuc facilities.

129 NamesAGame  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:19:09pm

Thirty-six nations? That's interesting. Isn't that larger than the number of nations who contributed troops in '91? Anyone know?

130 Randman  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:19:09pm

God bless YOU Mr President.

131 legalpad  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:19:10pm

re: #88 Charles

Nucular!


I was wondering how to spell that.

132 Charles  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:19:15pm

Done.

133 sngnsgt  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:19:24pm

Dubya's telling all the truths that lefty-kooks refuse to admit. Stick that in Bills pipe and smoke it Hillary! This has to have moonbats pulling their hair out.

134 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:19:31pm

"It is never too late to support our troops in a fight they can win."

Amen, Mr. President

135 rw in san diego  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:19:35pm

re: #108 grumpy old codger

I'll buy that.

136 ratherdashing  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:19:35pm

CNN: Bush was setting the stage for the bad news to come.

137 meMarc  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:19:36pm

Thanks, Charles.

138 Catttt  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:19:45pm

re: #117 meMarc

re: #103 Charles


What's up with the ghostly reflection to the right? I think we're getting an impromptu glimpse at the back of the President's head.

That's Carl Rove's brain.

That's the shapeshifting lizardoid side of the President. They should have soaped the window.

139 trailortrash  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:19:46pm

short and sweet.

140 jcm  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:19:47pm

re: #130 Randman

God bless YOU Mr President.

AMEN!

141 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:19:52pm

re: #73 Cap'n DOC

re: #50 MandyManners

3,000? I think.

So, 15,000 to leave?

142 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:19:54pm

I might hang on for the rebuttal on this one.

143 kreigwagon  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:19:54pm

White sunglasses like the kind Jackie O used to wear

144 daddycrack  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:19:54pm

re: #121 Charles

I think it looks like a vase. My friend thinks it looks like two people's profiles.

145 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:19:59pm

re: #77 cyberian_cartoon

Democrats take credit for all of what is good in the world, and they will call you a liar if you disagree.

isn't that absurb>

146 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:20:07pm

It is never too late to support our troops ...in a fight they can win, you pathetic Democrats.

147 grumpy old codger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:20:09pm

re: #118 TexasYeehadist
Battalions these days are somewhat smaller, tough maybe 600-700 if infantry, but closer to 300 if "support", like artillery.

148 mama winger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:20:11pm

re: #130 Randman

God bless YOU Mr President.

Amen.

149 rw in san diego  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:20:17pm

Oh man, here they come.

150 SnakeSpit  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:20:26pm

re: #122 MrScribbler

How about a little respect, dipshit.

151 Catttt  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:20:28pm

Ack! Dem from New England!

152 winter_ridge  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:20:30pm

The left must be squiriming

no place for them to go.

153 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:20:33pm

Shouldn't he be standing in front of white flags?

154 EC Marm  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:20:37pm

Oh boy! The Dem response on CSPAN. Then they open the phone lines.

155 Blackacre  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:20:40pm

"It is never too late to support our troops in a fight they can win."

Harry and Nancy he was talking to you and your ilk.

156 rappmandu  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:20:48pm

mama winger,

Yep, and I'm a-gonna whup him this weekend in fantasy football!

157 Charles  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:20:53pm

No, please. Not Jack Reed. I'll talk.

158 Jimash  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:20:59pm

200-1
It's nice to get a count once in a while.

159 pegcity  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:21:23pm

Bomb Iran

160 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:21:30pm

re: #124 SnakeSpit

A Reid blowin' in the wind... I turned it off.

161 justacanuck  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:21:31pm

I'm Jack Reid and I'm much smarter than our well known Dem leaders because I opposed the war in Iraq from the beginning.

162 Randman  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:21:33pm

re: #154 EC Marm

Oh boy! The Dem response on CSPAN. Then they open the phone lines.

Its those statement questions that libs do that drive me crazy.

163 Fjordman  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:21:41pm
I predict that when it's all said and done, Iraq will be a heck of a strong ME ally

Why the hell should they become your allies? They are Muslims. M-U-S-L-I-M-S. Since you are infidels, they will never feel grateful for anything you do. They will always return to their favorite pastimes, such as blaming Jews, hating Hindus, attacking Christians and honor killing their daughters. I'm amazed at how little people even here at LGF understand of the enemy, after six years.

Occupying Iraq - and Afghanistan - is a serious mistake. Cut your losses and get out.

164 Sodra Djavul  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:21:47pm

What is the deal with Democrats? Did the Republicans rebut every single Presidential address by Clinton "Blowjob" Clinton?

State of the Union, okay. But a Presidential address?

165 Bill M  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:21:49pm

Go W!

166 winter_ridge  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:21:53pm

Dems have to hide behind, "I am a former Army Officer"

no real point.

167 meMarc  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:22:03pm

Run over to Kos for a peek. Pretty sick.

168 kcladderman  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:22:28pm

re: #35 rw in san diego
Of course so am I and I am not the leader of the free world

169 meMarc  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:22:33pm

Hey, who stole Jack Reed's upper lip?

170 jones  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:22:37pm

Whoops, FOX didn't have the Dem response.

What goal posts did he move while I was away?

171 Grok the Fullness  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:22:42pm

Dem response:

"Even though General Betrayus tried to cover for Bushitler and Co...
but we support the troops...of al Qaeda. As we have recently seen by the video message of our great leader and prophet, Osama bin Laden, may Allah reform us in his image..."

172 mean Gene  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:22:46pm

Why did he just say we are 9 months into the surge?

Didn't the surge troops just get into place in June?

173 mama winger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:22:59pm

re: #156 rappmandu

mama winger,

Yep, and I'm a-gonna whup him this weekend in fantasy football!

Who ya gonna whoop?

174 kreigwagon  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:22:59pm

re: #157 Charles

No, please. Not Jack Reed. I'll talk.

"The Blame Game" Did he not vote for the funding?

"A former Army Officer" What a Friggin' OCS bitch?

175 sbvft contributor  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:23:05pm

TIM RUSSERT'S HEAD IS INSANELY LARGE. EASILY THE BIGGEST NOGGIN IN TELEVISION.

...just sayin

176 Geepers  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:23:10pm

Gee, it's a mini Code Pink style attack on LGF.

177 trailortrash  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:23:18pm

need to send this to all these defeatacrats...
[Link: www.trailortrash.us...]

178 itellu3times  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:23:20pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

Shouldn't he be standing in front of white flags?

Yes. In white jockey shorts.

179 TexasYeehadist  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:23:24pm

Jack Reed (D) chicken little hawk breaking out the white flag.

180 Catttt  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:23:24pm

re: #122 MrScribbler

It's not the "Holy Land," fool...it's ISRAEL!

This man is a blithering idiot. Right basic instincts, I suppose, but some strange disconnect between the world's reality and Dubya's.

He's got to learn not to blather on and on.

It is, actually, the Holy Land - to billions of people.

And just so you know, I don't cotton to your disrespect of the President. I don't much care for Presidents Clinton or Carter, but I don't call them names, and I give them the respect of their titles.

181 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:23:24pm

Thank God this jackhole wasn't a senator in 1942. We were having our asses handed to us in North Africa. Yeah, let's negotiate with Uncle Adolph.

OldLineTexan

182 freedomplow  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:23:26pm

The notion of handing Iraq over to al queda is disgusting.

If the libs get what they want, al queda will own Iraq.

183 MrScribbler  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:23:32pm

re: #150 SnakeSpit

Snake -- how 'bout we just take a look at reality and admit Bush is not tuned in?

Same old catch phrases -- "way forward," etc. etc. -- same old hack use of soldiers' parents, same tired repetitions.

I'm not against the cause, just against having a loon leading it.

184 daddycrack  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:23:37pm

re: #164 Sodra Djavul

What is the deal with Democrats? Did the Republicans rebut every single Presidential address by Clinton "Blowjob" Clinton?

State of the Union, okay. But a Presidential address?

This is just more political correctness run amok. Male democrats really confuse me.

185 USBeast  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:23:50pm

"It is never too late to support our troops in a fight they can win."

And it's never too early for the moonbats to declare defeat.

186 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:23:52pm

Uh oh #163...

187 cyberian_cartoon  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:23:59pm

Ah...the mute button. I've been hearing this shrill crap all week. I'm glad the Prez spoke tonight. Just wish he would have slammed congress more (better man than me, I guess).

188 rabidfox  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:24:03pm

meMarc, there is no way in Hell that I'd look at kos or huffington. That Demo is still going on about getting al quada.

189 rw in san diego  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:24:04pm

His grimacing is getting on my nerves.

190 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:24:13pm

Hey, let's stop fighting Al Qaeda in Iraq, becuase, you know it's a distraction from fighting, uh, Al Qaeda.

191 meMarc  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:24:17pm

Who's undermining us abroad Mr. Reed? Democrats.

192 ratherdashing  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:24:28pm

Jack Reed says their program focuses on counter-terrorism. yeah right.

193 sbvft contributor  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:24:34pm

wow. that was quick.

194 Blastforth  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:24:42pm

Dem response: A windfall for our enemies.

195 mama winger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:24:42pm

re: #183 MrScribbler

same old hack use of soldiers' parents,

Excuse me?

Excuse me?

196 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:24:42pm

¿Quien es 'Jack Reed'?

197 jwbaumann  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:24:45pm

This Jack Reed guy obviously didn't listen to Bush's speech.

Probably didn't read the Petraeus report either.

198 Charles  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:24:52pm

Gah.

199 rourke54  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:25:06pm

seriously, was that jack reed or bill murray?

200 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:25:11pm

re: #193 sbvft contributor

wow. that was quick.

Merciful.

OldLineTexan

201 itellu3times  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:25:34pm

Reid's idiotic speech was so much better crafted than Bush's.

The fact that its content was all cowardly, traitorous, and ignorant, is another matter entirely.

202 ratherdashing  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:25:34pm

Obama: President bound to the same failed course.

203 grumpy old codger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:25:39pm

re: #163 Fjordman

"Hope springs eternal in the human breast". We persist because we believe that it may make a difference. we hope that they will change. we pray that, by an example, they may set aside years of tribal hatred. We are Americans, we believe in hope.

204 gruntinclt  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:25:39pm

#164 Sodra Djavul - "Occupying Iraq - and Afghanistan - is a serious mistake. Cut your losses and get out."

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer!

205 kreigwagon  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:25:46pm

Thank God he's done and no Pelosi yay

206 sngnsgt  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:25:48pm

Now the retreat speech. Why are there two American flags behind him? There should be two big white ones flapping in the breeze of the words coming out of his mouth.

207 EC Marm  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:25:48pm

First CSPAN call:
Bush is gonna attack Iran!

208 rightwinger3  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:25:57pm

re: #197 jwbaumann

Ding, Ding, Ding...we have a winnah!

209 rappmandu  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:26:04pm

re: #173 mama winger

re: #156 rappmandu


mama winger,

Yep, and I'm a-gonna whup him this weekend in fantasy football!


Who ya gonna whoop?

My WH speechwriter buddy. We grew up together (near where Charles lives).

210 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:26:04pm

Obama, Giuliani, etc. on CNN/Larry King

211 Texas Joel  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:26:05pm

re: #50 MandyManners

[Link: www.globalsecurity.org...]

Brigades are between 2500 and 4000 depending on what kind of equipment they have. Armored and Marine Regiments are brigade sized. IIRC.

212 Fjordman  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:26:05pm
Who would even want that job? The weight of the world on your shoulders, and millions of armchair generals shouting at you that they could do it so much better.

Yes, but the thing is, out of 300 million people there has to be somebody more qualified to do the job than Jorge W. Bush. Have you had a look at the Mexican border (if it still exists) lately?

We’re Losing A War We Don’t Even Know We’re In

One reason nations lose wars is that they prepare for the last war, not the next war. When the German tanks rolled into Poland in 1939, the Polish army bravely tried to defend their territory -- on horseback.

The United States is perfectly prepared to fight the last war: if any enemy tried to drive tanks across our borders, fly bombers into our airspace, or sail warships into our harbors, we would easily prevail.

Unfortunately, we are in a new kind war that most of us don't even know is underway. It is the most innovative and successful war ever waged in history. And we're losing it, badly.

I'm not talking about the war with Islamic terrorists. I'm talking about the war with Mexico.

On September 3, 2007, Mexico's President stated, "I have said that Mexico does not stop at its border, that wherever there is a Mexican, there is Mexico."

Mexico's strategy is brilliant. Mexico is effectively taking control of our territory simply by having its citizens walk across our undefended border. Their only "weapon" is shoes. You still think the Maginot Line was dumb? At least the French tried to keep out foreign invaders, and at least the Germans had to go around it.

Although certain gangs of illegal aliens have used violence to engage in "ethnic cleansing" in certain L.A. neighborhoods -- a la Croatia and Darfur -- Mexico's war against us is for the most part non-violent, waged with nothing more than money and words.

Our vulnerability isn't military. Rather, our Achilles' Heel is "political correctness." As a nation, we'd rather silently endure the invasion than subject ourselves to the embarrassment of being called "racist." Can you think of any other nation in history that would be so easily defeated? Defeated by name-calling? Criminy!

Mexico's word-weapon is more effective than any neutron bomb. Remember the neutron bomb? That was the so-called "capitalist" bomb that would kill people through radiation but leave buildings intact. Well, Mexico is taking over without destroying buildings or injuring people.

Indeed, Mexico has effectively managed to get U.S. citizens to "pay tribute" voluntarily. Heck, the ancient Romans at least had to post armies in conquered lands to force locals to render unto Caesar. By contrast, Americans are taxing themselves to pay for education, health care and other services for a huge portion of Mexico's population -- those who have simply walked into our cities, most notably Los Angeles, the "ground zero" of Mexico's attack.

213 MikieBahamas  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:26:22pm

Jack Reid = Reidality Check!

Dimicrats are so invested in defeat their really are sound stupid, even to their own kind!

214 sbvft contributor  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:26:23pm

oh no. tim russert again.

...i must get cable.

215 justacanuck  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:26:28pm

If the Dem leadership (hah! it's a oxymoron, I know) were the captain and officers on an aircraft carrier:
 they'd allow the air wing to launch to attack Osama, then they'd immediately head the ship out to deep water, open the seacocks and let her speedily sink to the ocean's bottom.

216 meMarc  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:26:43pm

Not a great speech.

217 MrScribbler  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:27:04pm

re: #180 Cattt

Respect is not automatic. It is earned.

A fool is a fool, regardless of the trappings of office.

Petraeus earned his. Bush has done the opposite.

218 Blackacre  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:27:08pm

"We ask all Americans to join the Copperhead Democrats."

No, thanks.

Hit the road, Jack, and don't you come back no more, no more. Hit the road, Jack, and don't you come back no more.

219 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:27:27pm
220 winter_ridge  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:27:32pm

the Demms response, lets stop fighting, and run somewhere else.

Damm, we voted for a loss here, why can't our boys deliver?

221 The_Doc  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:27:35pm

Osama bin Olbermann's response on MSNBC is making me ill

222 SnakeSpit  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:27:44pm

re: #183 MrScribbler

Why don't you run for POTUS then, seeing you've got it all figured out?

223 daddycrack  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:27:59pm

that was 7 minutes shorter than barbara boxer's question to the general on tuesday.

Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

224 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:28:06pm

re: #212 Fjordman

HEY! The President's name is GEORGE. Got it?

225 mama winger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:28:44pm

re: #212 Fjordman

Yes, but the thing is, out of 300 million people there has to be somebody more qualified to do the job than Jorge W. Bush.

And they can run in 2008. He won the election. He IS the President.

And his name is not Jorge. That's a cheap shot.

226 Jimash  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:28:49pm

re: #207 EC Marm

First CSPAN call:
Bush is gonna attack Iran!

We can only hope !

227 R.A.D. Dad  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:28:55pm

It is so obvious the idiot with the Democratic response didn't actually listen to the speech. They've got their talking points and their sticking to it. And I'm sick of hearing how "oh we don't have enough money to give the poor starving dying innocent sweet little children health care because we are spending too much money on the war...wahhh"

I don't want them taking the money being spent on the war and use it to expand government health care. Once we WIN this thing and can stand down substantially the troops in Iraq I want that extra money spent on increasing border security, and after that, I want more tax cuts to fuel more growth and put more money in the pockets of the people.

228 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:29:01pm

re: #203 grumpy old codger

re: #163 Fjordman

"Hope springs eternal in the human breast". We persist because we believe that it may make a difference. we hope that they will change. we pray that, by an example, they may set aside years of tribal hatred. We are Americans, we believe in hope.

i gave you a plus, grumpy. that post is pretty non grumpy.

229 DesertSage  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:29:04pm

I've got something t say to the Reid Brothers, hear me load and clear-

GO F*CK YOURSELVES!

230 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:29:07pm
231 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:29:15pm

"Let's ask Osama bin Laden... er, Osama... Obama."
--Sen. Edward Kennedy, (D-MA)

232 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:29:15pm

Moderators made me severely edit a post about Iran and nukes on the Storm 2K off topic thread about Fox News and Iran.

Still, guess if you can tell which poster is me?

233 Thanos  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:29:19pm

re: #103 Charles

What's up with the ghostly reflection to the right? I think we're getting an impromptu glimpse at the back of the President's head.

It's so someone can make the "Bush controlled by Aliens" clip and post it on Liveleak.

234 EC Marm  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:29:20pm

Surprise, surprise. The first CSPAN caller blamed the war in Iraq on Israel. The moderator looked like he was gonna hit the switch at one point. Caller did a plug for Zombies flushed book. I forget the title.

235 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:29:22pm

re: #183 MrScribbler

Ever fly a Lawn Dart? Didn't think so.

236 ratherdashing  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:29:30pm

Obama: We need a responsible, rapid redeployment out of Iraq now! Double our humanitarian efforts while we withdraw. That brings the long term security of the US.


cut.run.

237 elchimpy  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:29:38pm

Go check out the DaikyKrap, I mean, DailyKos posting on the speech. It's one thing to disagree but the unimaginative, immature and repetitive posts are just, how should I say, f-ing ridiculous. Like jelly beans in a jar; anyone care to guess how many times 'liar' is written?

238 Geepers  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:29:45pm

Fjordman (#163),

Occupying Iraq - and Afghanistan - is a serious mistake. Cut your losses and get out.

Our losses?

We're killing terrorists by the bushelful. Why should we stop doing that?

239 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:29:47pm

Ooh, the woman on Fox cable that didn't like the speech BEFORE it was given doesn't like it AFTER it was given.

What a surprise!

OldLineTexan

240 disunreconnected  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:29:59pm

Don't the Dem politicians understand it's their own country fighting against an enemy, not just Bush?
Wonder where the whole mess would be if everyone was pulling the same way, towards finishing this the proper way?
Would Iran/Syria/NK dare rattle the swords if they saw us United, instead of fighting each others' side for silly political reasons?
All rhetorical, yet sad, questions.

241 grumpy old codger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:30:06pm

re: #211 Texas Joel

Here at fort Drum we don't need any equipment. 3500-4000 soldiers. we're Light Infantry!

242 mama winger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:30:07pm

re: #217 MrScribbler

A fool is a fool,

Yes. Quite.

243 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:30:33pm

re: #223 daddycrack

that was 7 minutes shorter than barbara boxer's question to the general on tuesday.

Heh™.

244 Charles  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:30:52pm

Juan's framing on Fox News.

245 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:31:07pm
246 MikieBahamas  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:31:15pm

Juan Williams...

What fu*king planet do you live on?

247 Naldiin  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:31:26pm

Good speech by Bush. The democratic response was painful to watch. The person making it was somehow very unattractive, hard to look at, and he seemed too angry and irritated, which is an unwise way to make a speech.

Bush hit the key points, and stole a fair bit of wind out of the standard anti-war argument. Expect the hysterics on Saturday to make Bush's case stronger, and the anti-war case weaker as anti-war activists get more and more shrill.

And usually, whenever Bush talks, there is an uptick in both his poll numbers and those of support for the war. It's reasonable to expect that a solid speech tonight will strengthen the already growing September up-tick in Bush's numbers and the numbers on the war.

248 trailortrash  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:31:26pm

wth, obama says to get the iraq gov to step up we have to leave ?
if we leave prematurly they will all be killed by the ones we are fighting.
what is so hard about that to understand?

249 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:31:33pm

Rudy's in Atlanta this evening... up next on CNN.

250 TexasYeehadist  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:31:35pm

re: #147 grumpy old codger

Thanks GOC

you gotta love the ass kickin ability of the new, smaller but very powerful Armed Forces.

God Bless Their Bad Asses

251 BulgarWheat  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:31:42pm

Charles...

Juan's upset because his son called him an asshat.

His son must be a Lizard, eh?

252 grumpy old codger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:31:56pm

re: #228 nyc redneck

What do I need to do to get that plus erased? I gotta an image to protect!

253 Fjordman  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:32:01pm
We persist because we believe that it may make a difference. we hope that they will change. we pray that, by an example, they may set aside years of tribal hatred. We are Americans, we believe in hope.

Well, I hope Santa Claus exists, too, but I wouldn't base my foreign policy upon his existence. And that's pretty much what you do when you "hope" for a reformed Islam.

254 Blastforth  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:32:06pm

re: #231 Dar ul Harb

"Let's ask Osama bin Laden... er, Osama... Obama."
--Sen. Edward Kennedy, (D-MA)


"Er... ah ... and I had to dive down several times to put Miss Kopechne's cloths back on."

255 Catttt  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:32:19pm

re: #217 MrScribbler

re: #180 Cattt

Respect is not automatic. It is earned.

A fool is a fool, regardless of the trappings of office.

Petraeus earned his. Bush has done the opposite.

I disagree on two levels. The President of the United States deserves the respect of his office. Even if one gets in trouble, he is still President Whoever. President Clinton was impeached - see how easy that is to say?

On a second level, you have a right to your opinion. However, you have given only emotional, subjective comments written in declarative sentences. You have stated opinion as fact and your opinion as what everyone should implicitly think. If you had said "I think President Bush is foolish," I probably would not have made a response. I really dislike it when people make declarative, subjective, and emotional statements full of bluster, with abso-damn-lutely nothing to back them up.

When a poster's comments resemble a spitting contest in an alley, I tend to think the poster is not worth reading, going forward.

256 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:32:26pm

re: #232 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Yeah, I found you.

Lemme tell you, Rathergate hit close to home. My father was in the unit and used to debrief George W. Bush.

Faux News my Aunt Fanny. If you don't like the opinion shows, fine. The NEWS isn't slanted, unlike some NEWS you mentioned.

OldLineTexan

257 Thanos  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:33:10pm

I love the way the Dems say that the gov't of Iraq has to make political progress... and then piss all over their accomplishments too date. They ain't going to make progress if you keep undercutting them on the international stage you idiots.

258 MikieBahamas  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:33:12pm

Go John McCain!

Slap the dimichrats down...kick them in the ass!

I'm tired of the BS they spit out!

259 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:33:16pm

re: #235 Cap'n DOC

re: #183 MrScribbler

Ever fly a Lawn Dart? Didn't think so.

Yes, let's all remember that if your Daddy is in the gubmint, they make you a JET PILOT. Not.

OldLineTexan

260 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:33:58pm

re: #183 MrScribbler

Just so you don't miss my point, THIS is what the President flew. It ain't Rocket Science, but he ain't a loon.

261 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:34:19pm
262 Geepers  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:34:28pm

Fjordman (#212),

Yes Fjordman, those of us in America have a good idea where the US - Mexico border is.

And no offense, but the first bastion of the Bush hater is to change the subject to immigration, the one area where most Republican strongly disagree with the President.

263 squarepeg  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:35:05pm

re: #252 grumpy old codger

I just minused you. I know what you mean.

264 Pro-Bush Canuck  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:35:12pm

re: #212 Fjordman

Yeah, that's more than a little overheated, there Fjordman (I thought you were from Europe?)

Mexicans come to the US for the same reason everyone else does from around the world: economic opportunity. That's the problem with sharing a border with a Third World nation. (Canada's dollar is almost at par, and Alberta has higher wages and lower unemployment than any of the 50 states, so I wouldn't worry about Canucks).

I'm not defending illegal immigration, but the "threat" you portray is greatly exaggerated. Also, Mexico is on the cusp of a population implosion (growth has already begun to slow dramatically, and will reverse in less than a decade). By 2020 there will be no immigration from Mexico, legal or otherwise.

The same sort of overheated rhetoric was applied to every immigrant group, yet America has proven itself expansive enough time after time to assimilate the newcomers. No country in history has ever done it better.

265 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:35:23pm

re: #252 grumpy old codger

re: #228 nyc redneck

What do I need to do to get that plus erased? I gotta an image to protect!

too late. it's a done deal.

266 Blastforth  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:35:29pm

McCain on Fox: "No surrender" banner behind him. Nice.

267 BulgarWheat  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:35:35pm

#260 Cap'n DOC

W could have solve the Polio problem and people would be asking "What took so long..."

It's utter BS. It's also not worthy of replying to.

268 ratherdashing  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:35:48pm

Rudy: first to mention "Islamic Terrorists" and "Islamic Terrorism"

269 wee fury  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:35:49pm

I like Chris Wallace.

270 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:36:03pm

re: #217 MrScribbler

Asshole.

271 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:36:36pm

re: #268 ratherdashing

He's pretty much the only one who'll use those words at all.

272 mama winger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:37:08pm

re: #270 MandyManners

re: #217 MrScribbler

Asshole.

Ahhh. Mandy will take care of it .

:)

273 ratherdashing  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:37:17pm

Rudy: That's what they used to say about crime in NY, Larry. (in reference to 'we will never achieve our goals')

and "Islamic terrorists take advantage of weakness"

274 sbvft contributor  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:37:34pm

re: #246 MikieBahamas

juan williams has a most annoying voice. shrill. like his commentary.

though his take on the state of black America is right on target.

275 Born Again Republican  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:37:34pm
re: #212 Fjordman

Yes, but the thing is, out of 300 million people there has to be somebody more qualified to do the job than Jorge W. Bush.

Who in the hell was stepping up to the plate! Even before 9/11 it was maddening seeing all the terrorist attacks and nothing done. Now we have governments all over the world catching the terrorists before they strike! NO ONE else could provide that kind of leadership!

276 SnakeSpit  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:37:38pm

re: #230 song_and_dance_man

Mrscribbler is a mouthy dumbass according to SnakeSpit in this post.

Fjordman, whom I have always respected is getting on my nerves also in this thread. Too many moonbat style cheap shots.

277 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:37:49pm
278 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:38:09pm

re: #263 squarepeg

re: #252 grumpy old codger

I just minused you. I know what you mean.

he doesn't mean that. he's just being emotional.

279 ratherdashing  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:38:10pm

Rudy: five times now "Islamic Terrorists"

280 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:38:35pm

re: #217 MrScribbler

I'll tell yah... He's the President whether you like it or NOT. He's also the Commander-In-Chief. Show a little respect.

281 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:38:43pm

re: #279 ratherdashing

Rudy Rules!

282 jcm  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:38:48pm

Anyone who can graduate from Yale.
Get a MBA from Harvard.
Earn his wings on an F-102 (a pilot killer).
Win two terms as gov. of Texas
Win two terms as POTUS.

CANNOT by any stretch of the imagination, be a fool, an idiot, a moron etc...

He may be inarticulate but even at that you have to communicate to get elected, but a fool and and idiot he is not.

283 Blastforth  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:39:05pm

re: #279 ratherdashing

what channel?

284 cyberian_cartoon  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:39:12pm

Go Rudy! Right to the point.

285 mama winger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:39:24pm

re: #209 rappmandu

re: #173 mama winger

re: #156 rappmandu


mama winger,Yep, and I'm a-gonna whup him this weekend in fantasy football!


Who ya gonna whoop?

My WH speechwriter buddy. We grew up together (near where Charles lives).

Ohhh... duh! I'm so thick sometimes! Haha!

We are knee deep in fantasy football here at our house too. It's great fun :)

286 meMarc  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:39:26pm

It would be nice if every time ABC News introduced George Stephanopoulos they'd mention that he was Bill Clinton's campaign manager and communications director. They put warning labels on cigarettes.

287 Pro-Bush Canuck  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:39:26pm

re: #276 SnakeSpit

re: #230 song_and_dance_man

Mrscribbler is a mouthy dumbass according to SnakeSpit in this post.

Fjordman, whom I have always respected is getting on my nerves also in this thread. Too many moonbat style cheap shots.

He's changed. It's almost like someone hijacked his account...

288 trailortrash  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:39:47pm

re: #283 Blastforth

re: #279 ratherdashing

what channel?

CNN

289 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:40:24pm

"Think of the consequences of what the Democrats want to do, retreating and running away in Iraq. It'll bring us back to that same position of weakness we had in the 1990s. And if you understand Islamic terrorism, and you really pay attention to it, they take advantage of weakness morethan they do with strength, so we're much better offbeing on offense against them, being strong."
--Rudy Giuliani on CNN's Larry King Live

290 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:40:25pm

He did it again!

291 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:40:34pm

re: #282 jcm

NICE. Go subtle. Good Luck. I have no patience for moonbeams.

292 Jimash  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:40:48pm

re: #277 song_and_dance_man

re: #270 MandyManners

re: #217 MrScribbler

Asshole.

We can always count on you to drop any semblance of subtlety.

The squirrel IS subtle.

293 itellu3times  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:41:05pm

Rudy da man.

What has Thompson said recently?

Or even Mit?

294 squarepeg  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:41:13pm

re: #278 nyc redneck

"just" being emotional? Isn't emotion what this rating system is all about?

295 Fjordman  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:41:54pm

#262: As I've said many, many, many times here, the idea of exporting democracy to an Islamic country such as Iraq is fundamentally flawed on so many levels that I hardly know where to begin. For starters, your own Founding Fathers specifically rejected democracy in your country, which is why the USA became a constitutional Republic, not a democracy. Why should you export a system that wasn't good enough for your own country? And second of all, Islam isn't compatible with democracy. Islam isn't reformable, no matter how many hundreds of billions of dollars and thousand of American lives you throw at it. It can't be done. It's a waste of time and money, while Islamization continues apace at home. In short: It's utter madness.

296 Thanos  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:42:01pm

Isolationism will not stop Islamofacism, failure to directly confront evil directly will not make it go away. The Maginot line didn't do the French any good, and the Great Wall of China didn't stop the Manchus.

So if you want to build fortress Europe more power to you, but don't diss the only leader in the world actively taking the war to the terrorists.

297 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:42:16pm

re: #272 mama winger

Call 'em as I see 'em.

298 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:42:50pm

re: #277 song_and_dance_man

Brevity rules.

299 itellu3times  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:42:56pm

Charles, how about a response count, a virtual hierarchy, for messages?

I'd even suggest requiring responses to include a plus or minus, ... but that would be Naziware.

300 Blackacre  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:43:38pm

re: #282 jcm

Anyone who can graduate from Yale.
Get a MBA from Harvard.
Earn his wings on an F-102 (a pilot killer).
Win two terms as gov. of Texas
Win two terms as POTUS.

CANNOT by any stretch of the imagination, be a fool, an idiot, a moron etc...

He may be inarticulate but even at that you have to communicate to get elected, but a fool and and idiot he is not.

Yeah, but it doesn't fit the narrative, don't you know?

301 squarepeg  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:43:39pm

Fjordman, I'll take an imperfect, creaky, half-splintered mess of a democratic republic in the Middle East over a perfect theocracy any day.

302 USBeast  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:43:56pm

I must confess, I missed most of the speech. My daughter was assembling a robot kit for her creative design class and ran into problems. Her shade-tree mechanic daddy had to troubleshoot and tighten some motor mounts.

I'll read the transcript tomorrow.

Tonight I'm a hero to a daughter who will never get a chance to build a robot if Islam prevails.

303 mama winger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:44:01pm

re: #295 Fjordman

Aside from the democracy thing, Fjordman, wouldn't you agree that it is important to fight Al Queda? Well, AQ happens to be in Afghanistan and Iraq.

You fight the enemy where he is - not where you wish him to be.

304 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:44:20pm

re: #299 itellu3times

That's an interesting idea.

305 MikieBahamas  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:44:32pm

re: #274 sbvft contributor

Yeah I agree about Black America

but...

His research about general facts is unbelievably bad!

His commentary on Fox News Sunday always ends up coming back to bite him in his ass. NPR needs to hire intelligent people, not people who try to pass themselves off as so!

Juan Williams ...GET A LIFE!

306 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:44:41pm

I loved the speech. Especially when he called out congress. I only wish it had been a TAD more forceful. Frick the dems.

307 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:45:07pm

re: #294 squarepeg

re: #278 nyc redneck

"just" being emotional? Isn't emotion what this rating system is all about?

re: #294 squarepeg

re: #278 nyc redneck

"just" being emotional? Isn't emotion what this rating system is all about?

he deserves a plus ( whether he wants it or not.lol)

308 TMF  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:45:08pm

The difference between the Republican candidates and the Dem candidates is the Rs have a fucking clue and speak with their own voices- even the ones generally disliked by most Rs (i.e., McCain)

The Dems are nothing but DNC talk-bots and panderers to their insane hate America base

309 jcm  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:45:36pm

re: #300 Blackacre

re: #282 jcm

Anyone who can graduate from Yale.
Get a MBA from Harvard.
Earn his wings on an F-102 (a pilot killer).
Win two terms as gov. of Texas
Win two terms as POTUS.

CANNOT by any stretch of the imagination, be a fool, an idiot, a moron etc...

He may be inarticulate but even at that you have to communicate to get elected, but a fool and and idiot he is not.

Yeah, but it doesn't fit the narrative, don't you know?

*head slap* of course lets focus on his ties to oil and running the Rangers into the ground.
/

310 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:45:46pm

"This [Iraq] is just a battle in a much wider war. The Democrat candidates very rarely use the term Islamic terrorism, if at all. But that's what we're involved with here. We're involved with their war against us. Iraq is a part of it. If we get it right, we're going to help ourselves. If we get it wrong, it's going to be much more difficult for us."
--Rudy Giuliani on CNN's Larry King Live

311 Jimash  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:46:05pm

Fjordman,
I don't think that many of us are thinking that Iraq is going to look like Pennsylvania.
But they have shown an ability to function as a more or less secular country in the past and we have such hopes for their future.
Meanwhile it's a good place to kill jihadis, because it's flattter than afghanistan, and close to where they ultimately want to be. Honey pot.

312 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:46:50pm
313 LostNV  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:47:11pm

Two things that I always wonder about..
1. When the President of the US speaks...why does anyone else need equal time? They are not on the same footing as POTUS. It is part of his job to inform the people on policies of the administration. That does not require "equal time" from smarmy politicians.

2. If you voted to send the troops to war...you don't get to switch your vote. You put people's lives on the line with that vote and the very least you can do is stand by your vote! You cannot change it back and forth for the sake of politics.

That said, every Democrat that voted for the war before they voted against it does NOT get a free pass. They must have their feet held to the fire. Honestly these people don't think they have one bit of responsibility for the war we are currently waging. I beg to differ...they are as responsible as the president. The American people are giving these vote switchers a pass...this is wrong.

314 grumpy old codger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:47:16pm

re: #253 Fjordman
You're right, hope is ephemeral. America has offered the world hope. hope that man can live together and make a better world outside the hatreds of the old. My father told me, when I first went to Europe, not to fall into the trap of "the old country was so...".
The same applies to religions. I hope that islam would reform and grant peace and equality to both Christianity and Judaism, as well as other nonislamic religions. If they do, then MAYBE world peace could be achieved. On the other hand, if it is necessary to destroy them, BY WHATEVER MEANS, I can live with that. Christ said to turn the other cheek, but He did not say to let some SOB beat the living hell out of you. Peter carried a sword. as it says in the OT, there is a time... If they persist in their hatred of Judaism and Christianity, well, they've had their chance. Should Tehran explode in a nuclear blast, well, c'est la guerre. As Captain Parker said, "If they mean to have a war, let it begin here."

315 Blastforth  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:47:17pm

re: #295 Fjordman

Bullshit. There can never be a just and lasting peace without freedom, rule of law and a democratic form of government. It will take time. It took time in the west. "A journey of a thousand miles begins with the fist step." You naysayers are part of the problem.

316 Geepers  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:47:18pm

Fjordman (#295),

Yes, thanks for the civic lesson.

And no, islam and democracy aren't compatible. When democracy reigns islam disappears.

America has the will and the means to do that. The EU doesn't. Hence we have different perceptions. Conquer vs. cower.

317 sngnsgt  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:47:36pm

Way to stand up to those demons USBeast! ;-)

318 derkrieger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:47:56pm

Do the Libs/Dems have any plan at all other than their constant harping about a "new direction"? Has anyone articulated just what that direction is supposed to be? Have ANY of the Dems publicly stated that they would be willing to accept any and all consequences resulting from an early withdrawal?

Sidebar - GREAT (IMO) article by James Pinkerton today: The Once & Future Christendom dealing with the Islamic threat to the West.

319 EC Marm  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:48:00pm

#295 Yup, that's why a higher percentage of Iraqi citizens voted in the last election than Americans.

320 Thanos  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:48:24pm

I think I caught a subtle message to the troops in that speech as well -- "You've done a marvelous job so far, but... the quicker you kill all the bad guys, the quicker I can get you home

321 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:48:34pm

Bush should make a speech to the nation at least once a month. He should speak directly to the Nation, because the msm won't allow his message to be heard.

322 FederalistChick  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:48:41pm

Despite all of the whining from the left about the need for Bush to admit fault and blame for the fact that adjustments need to be made in wars or that sometimes war plans don't pan out, I think he is the realist in the debate. I mean, if you listen to all of the Democrat's rhetoric as of late, they actually want us to lose in Iraq! If anyone out there actually thinks the Dem's care about the future of our country more than their own political power, please view exhibit A: They want us to lose so badly that they have condoned the labeling of a distinguished military general as a traitor simply because they want to score a political point. At least their true colors (hatred of the military) have finally emerged.

323 Tosprops  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:48:54pm

moonbat thoughts on Bush's speech rant -

Did you see the Republican Nazi camera whore on TV tonight trying to drum up support for his illegal war for oil? His imperial highness king George WWIII Bush really does have delusions of grandeur. He ended his speech barking out orders like Mussolini on the balcony. At the end of his lunatic rant, Bush ordered listeners to have a good night while at the same time he ordered God to bless America. Not only am I offended that the right wing fascist was pushing his religion on me, I was put off by him giving me an order. I am not one of his generals that he can intimidate into shilling for him before congress. I am going to have a bad night just to spite him. I don't take orders from a Hitler want to be. Just goes to show that power corrupts, but absolute power stolen from Democrats twice corrupts absolutely.

324 mama winger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:49:02pm

re: #320 Thanos

I think I caught a subtle message to the troops in that speech as well -- "You've done a marvelous job so far, but... the quicker you kill all the bad guys, the quicker I can get you home

Sounds like a plan.

325 Mike in Georgia  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:49:14pm

Nucular. Doesn't sound much worse then Cuber.

326 andyourintelligence  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:49:18pm

Yeah, just think how many we would kill if our ROE is lifted.
We will one day. The world will shudder at the results.
I pray daily for our souls when that happens.

327 Catttt  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:49:52pm

re: #203 grumpy old codger

re: #163 Fjordman

"Hope springs eternal in the human breast". We persist because we believe that it may make a difference. we hope that they will change. we pray that, by an example, they may set aside years of tribal hatred. We are Americans, we believe in hope.

That is a lovely comment, hon, and so true. It makes me proud to be an American.

Oh, and I plussed you, nya nya nya. :)

328 BulgarWheat  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:50:20pm

#325 Mike in Georgia

You said Nucular. You need to do a shot now.

329 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:50:21pm

re: #310 Dar ul Harb

"This [Iraq] is just a battle in a much wider war. The Democrat candidates very rarely use the term Islamic terrorism, if at all. But that's what we're involved with here. We're involved with their war against us. Iraq is a part of it. If we get it right, we're going to help ourselves. If we get it wrong, it's going to be much more difficult for us."
--Rudy Giuliani on CNN's Larry King Live

Do you think Rudy would win NY over the hildebeast?

330 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:50:27pm

re: #295 Fjordman

Ya gotta start somewhere...

331 grumpy old codger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:50:34pm

re: #263 squarepeg

Thanks. Of course, it might bother someone who can not be named.

332 jcm  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:50:36pm

re: #323 Tosprops

moonbat thoughts on Bush's speech rant -

Did you see the Republican Nazi camera whore on TV tonight trying to drum up support for his illegal war for oil? His imperial highness king George WWIII Bush really does have delusions of grandeur. He ended his speech barking out orders like Mussolini on the balcony. At the end of his lunatic rant, Bush ordered listeners to have a good night while at the same time he ordered God to bless America. Not only am I offended that the right wing fascist was pushing his religion on me, I was put off by him giving me an order. I am not one of his generals that he can intimidate into shilling for him before congress. I am going to have a bad night just to spite him. I don't take orders from a Hitler want to be. Just goes to show that power corrupts, but absolute power stolen from Democrats twice corrupts absolutely.

Yeah! I heard the government ordered 1,000,000 brown shirts!
/

333 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:50:40pm

re: #326 andyourintelligence

Yeah, just think how many we would kill if our ROE is lifted.
We will one day. The world will shudder at the results.
I pray daily for our souls when that happens.

I hope we have learned that there is no kinder, gentler war, especially against an enemy that willingly kills its own.

OldLineTexan

334 Fjordman  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:50:49pm
Aside from the democracy thing, Fjordman, wouldn't you agree that it is important to fight Al Queda? Well, AQ happens to be in Afghanistan and Iraq.

No nation has ever been able to occupy Afghanistan. I see no reason why you should succeed. I see no reason why you should try. The sane policy for that country, and indeed the entire Islamic world, is to do military raids when it is absolutely necessary to do so, and then leave again as soon as possible. Occupation is just plain stupid.

Isolationism will not stop Islamofacism

It will if we try to isolate them, not us. That's the best we can hope for.

335 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:50:54pm

If the US is serious about the threat from Iran then the powers that be should take a leaf out of Israel's book. Find possible nuke site in Syria, bomb it, go home, no comment.

Perhaps the President could take a leaf out of former Pres Reagan's book.

"We bomb Iran in 30 minutes"

and then come back in 1 hour

"I was serious"

336 kreigwagon  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:51:19pm

re: #225 mama winger

re: #212 Fjordman

Yes, but the thing is, out of 300 million people there has to be somebody more qualified to do the job than Jorge W. Bush.

And they can run in 2008. He won the election. He IS the President.

And his name is not Jorge. That's a cheap shot.

It may be a cheap shot but, unless you live in California you won't know the half of it. Right now we are so inundated here it's sad. At every school assembly, at every school event there is English spoken and then the translation. We pay extra to have all of our materials printed out in Spanish. Soon the Cal Board of Education will require textbooks print in Spanish as well. You might not like Fjordman's take on it but every day here in Cal is becoming another day in Mexico

337 easy  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:51:30pm

re: #325 Mike in Georgia

Nucular. Doesn't sound much worse then Cuber.

Brilliant. Saved.

338 ratherdashing  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:51:54pm

McCain: We can expect more success in Iraq. The enemy had their turn.

339 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:52:04pm

re: #292 Jimash

re: #277 song_and_dance_man


re: #270 MandyManners
re: #217 MrScribbler
Asshole.
We can always count on you to drop any semblance of subtlety.

The squirrel IS subtle.

He is?

340 rappmandu  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:52:26pm

re: #320 Thanos

I think I caught a subtle message to the troops in that speech as well -- "You've done a marvelous job so far, but... the quicker you kill all the bad guys, the quicker I can get you home

Unofficial, tactic ROE change?

341 mama winger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:53:01pm

re: #334 Fjordman

I see no reason why you should succeed. I see no reason why you should try.

Ah, and there's the difference between Europeans and Americans.

342 andyourintelligence  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:53:10pm

re: #333 OldLineTexan

Our military knows. I have faith in them. Do our leaders?

343 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:53:26pm
344 MeCurious  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:53:27pm

re: #323 Tosprops

moonbat thoughts on Bush's speech rant -

Did you see the Republican Nazi camera whore on TV tonight trying to drum up support for his illegal war for oil? His imperial highness king George WWIII Bush really does have delusions of grandeur. He ended his speech barking out orders like Mussolini on the balcony. At the end of his lunatic rant, Bush ordered listeners to have a good night while at the same time he ordered God to bless America. Not only am I offended that the right wing fascist was pushing his religion on me, I was put off by him giving me an order. I am not one of his generals that he can intimidate into shilling for him before congress. I am going to have a bad night just to spite him. I don't take orders from a Hitler want to be. Just goes to show that power corrupts, but absolute power stolen from Democrats twice corrupts absolutely.

You don't belong here. Go away!

345 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:53:40pm

I missed the speech but does anyone else in here think the Democrats, when denying progress in Iraq, sound Baghdad Bob when he was saying the Americans are not winning and are not in Baghdad with an Abrams tank in the back round? It's as if they think if they say we lost enough times it will just make it so.

346 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:53:47pm

re: #327 Cattt

re: #203 grumpy old codger

re: #163 Fjordman

"Hope springs eternal in the human breast". We persist because we believe that it may make a difference. we hope that they will change. we pray that, by an example, they may set aside years of tribal hatred. We are Americans, we believe in hope.

That is a lovely comment, hon, and so true. It makes me proud to be an American.

Oh, and I plussed you, nya nya nya. :)

he's going to try to encourage some one to minus your plus. what's up w/ sweet grumpy?

347 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:53:54pm

re: #342 andyourintelligence

re: #333 OldLineTexan

Our military knows. I have faith in them. Do our leaders?

From what I see and hear? Not enough of them, by a long shot.

OldLineTexan

348 jcm  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:54:02pm

Nucular,

Don't care how it's said.

JUST DON'T LET IRAN HAVE ANY!

349 Mike in Georgia  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:54:05pm

re: #328 BulgarWheat
I can't pronounce it right either. I used to laugh my ass off
every time JFK said Cuber.

350 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:54:07pm

re: #312 song_and_dance_man

Something I learned in J-school: don't use five words when one will suffice.

351 mistergs  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:54:09pm

#6

I'm flying to DC tomorrow morning for the gathering of eagles. I need to actually see people without their head up their ass. I read everyone here and at other blogs, but I actually run into very few people who are tolerable on the issues of our day. (I live in L.A.) I know you're out there, I read you here, but I need to actually see some to believe it's not all created in a studio somewhere. Semper Fi, off I fly.

352 MikieBahamas  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:54:15pm

Nina Easton is an AIRHEAD!

How does a woman that thick get to be the HEAD of Fortune Magazine's Washington bureau?

Shut the f*uck up Juan!

353 Highrise  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:54:15pm

re: #336 kreigwagon

That isn't a lie.

I got a postcard from the voters registration people that asked what language I wanted my voting pamphlets to come in as. I was like..whatever...and just checked english and sent it back.

I got in the mail, spanish ones.

I was PISSED. It was 3 days before the election and I called them and wasn't happy. They sent me out immediately and I got it the day before elections in english.

354 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:54:16pm

re: #343 song_and_dance_man

re: #337 easy


re: #325 Mike in Georgia

Nucular. Doesn't sound much worse then Cuber.

Brilliant. Saved.

Or Terlet.

Chowdah.

OldLineTexan

355 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:54:33pm
356 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:54:44pm

"...a firm timeline for withdrawal. No timeline, no funding."
--John Edwards on MSNBC moments ago

357 gatorbait  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:54:57pm

Good speech overall. Identified rationale for success in driving AQI out of Ramadi/Anbar, etc. Made clear the need to remain in Iraq for an indefinite duration of time. Wish he said more about the shenanegans of Iran/Syria. I suppose we will hear that in his next speech identifying his war plan.

358 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:55:12pm

mama winger,
did you try to email me? never got it if you did.

359 MikieBahamas  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:55:21pm

Go Bill Sammon!

360 daddycrack  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:55:28pm

re: #323 Tosprops

Comments like these show so badly for your party. Please go and brush out your ponytail and clean your piercings before bed.

361 andyourintelligence  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:55:45pm

re: #347 OldLineTexan

Yeah,
Funny though, I have more faith in a bunch of young people than the elected leaders that we have.

Time will tell, and it wont be pretty.

362 Cognito  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:56:08pm

Whoa. A ratings system. That should be interesting.

Anyway, Fjordman,

No nation has ever been able to occupy Afghanistan. I see no reason why you should succeed. I see no reason why you should try. The sane policy for that country, and indeed the entire Islamic world, is to do military raids when it is absolutely necessary to do so, and then leave again as soon as possible.

Got to say I agree, although I wish it weren't so. I wish the people in those countries would rise up and embrace Western-style representative government, but it's becoming increasingly unimaginable.

363 EE  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:56:13pm

There is a big difference between seeking a change for the better, and seeking change for the sake of change, which could be a change for the worse. The words of Barack Obama in response to the president's address say that the need is for change -- but change for the sake of change can mean a change for the worse.

There has been a change for the better on the ground in Anbar Province, and elsewhere.

Would a cut and run plan be a change for the better? That depends on what would be the likely result of retreat. The Dems emphasize that it would bring change, but they don't bother to try to predict what the consequences of doing that would be. If we produce a power vacuum by removing all of our forces, or almost all of them, would Iran exploit the power vacuum by taking over Iraq? What would prevent or discourage Iran from doing this? And would that be in the interest of the US? There is no serious discussion by the cut and run advocates of what would happen if the US produced a power vacuum there by removing all, or almost all, of our forces.

Change? A change for the better is important. A change for the worse is not something that should be pursued.

364 jcm  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:56:15pm

re: #351 mistergs

#6

I'm flying to DC tomorrow morning for the gathering of eagles. I need to actually see people without their head up their ass. I read everyone here and at other blogs, but I actually run into very few people who are tolerable on the issues of our day. (I live in L.A.) I know you're out there, I read you here, but I need to actually see some to believe it's not all created in a studio somewhere. Semper Fi, off I fly.

Stop by the Vietnam Memorial give us a first hand on the damage.

365 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:56:25pm

re: #356 Dar ul Harb

"...a firm timeline for withdrawal. No timeline, no funding."
--John Edwards on MSNBC moments ago

Thankfully, John Edwards is not an elected official of the United States.

We have enough asshats.

OldLineTexan

366 UncleSam  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:57:01pm

re: #260 Cap'n DOC

Thanks.
The military doesn't turn over jet fighters to stupid people.
I reminded several of my lefty friends of this when they were saying President Bush is mentally deficient, and they had no reply.

367 Thanos  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:57:03pm

re: #334 Fjordman

Aside from the democracy thing, Fjordman, wouldn't you agree that it is important to fight Al Queda? Well, AQ happens to be in Afghanistan and Iraq.

No nation has ever been able to occupy Afghanistan. I see no reason why you should succeed. I see no reason why you should try. The sane policy for that country, and indeed the entire Islamic world, is to do military raids when it is absolutely necessary to do so, and then leave again as soon as possible. Occupation is just plain stupid.

Isolationism will not stop Islamofacism

It will if we try to isolate them, not us. That's the best we can hope for.

This is untrue. Alexander. The Nepalese, the Chinese, the Moghuls, The Persians, Wellington. There have always been semi-autonomous areas there, once you understand how they work and what not to do, you can get along pretty well. Besides that, who the hell wants to occupy them? We want an alliance with the gov'ts in the area, and it would be nice to have some airbases.

368 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:57:06pm

re: #355 song_and_dance_man

re: #335 A Kiwi Infidel


"We bomb Iran in 30 minutes"

and then come back in 1 hour

"I was serious"


Be patient young Padowan, coming, it is.


Patience, then , I will have.

369 winston06  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:57:13pm

I think it was too good a speech for the dumb Dhimmicrats to understand

370 derkrieger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:57:20pm

Any idea how many Conservatives the Left is creating within the military with their constant attacks on them and their leaders? Assuming a majority aren't already Republicans. USN-EOD 85-93

371 Jimash  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:57:23pm

re: #334 Fjordman

Aside from the democracy thing, Fjordman, wouldn't you agree that it is important to fight Al Queda? Well, AQ happens to be in Afghanistan and Iraq.
No nation has ever been able to occupy Afghanistan.

That in itself is enough reason to change the venue to Iraq.

I see no reason why you should succeed. I see no reason why you should try. The sane policy for that country, and indeed the entire Islamic world, is to do military raids when it is absolutely necessary to do so, and then leave again as soon as possible.

I am way for that. Sovereign countries of all stripes may disagree with that policy however. I am for pinpointing them and liberal use of stealth, and smart weapons, and small teams of special operators. But we can harbor no illusions as to the acceptability under "international law" of such effective tactics.

Occupation is just plain stupid.

No man it's fancy stupid, but it's the only way to "be there".

372 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:57:25pm

re: #351 mistergs

Please! iF YOU'RE GOING TO DC, please. Send me an email. I need a favor while you're at the Wall. It won't take a minute.

373 cbinflux  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:57:36pm

Take back the streets, but w/o those pesky barricades.
/

374 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:57:37pm

re: #361 andyourintelligence

I trust the military, too. But I would like to see them return home victorious, not in chains to await courts martial like we are doing now.

OldLineTexan

375 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:57:48pm

re: #345 SecretInternetDoucheBag

I missed the speech but does anyone else in here think the Democrats, when denying progress in Iraq, sound Baghdad Bob when he was saying the Americans are not winning and are not in Baghdad with an Abrams tank in the back round? It's as if they think if they say we lost enough times it will just make it so.

Funny you should say that...

376 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:57:51pm

Imagine President Hillary Clinton giving this speech? Ok I am sorry but I just wanted to ruin everyones appetite.

377 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:57:53pm

Is it time?

378 Highrise  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:58:17pm

As usual, the lizards here cover it all..you guys rule!

Fjordman,

consider this map. Look at all the surrounding countries that we either have bases in or we call them allies...loosely albeit.

Do you really think it is stupid not to establish bases in afghanistan and iraq so we can squeeze the head of iran?

That is our number one goal there even though it isn't talked about.

The USA and it's allies being in iraq and afghanistan is not about hearts and minds like it's being touted, that is just a byproduct of spreading seeds of disobedience among them so perhaps muslims will lose a tad of their foothold. I'd say it is a hell of a lot better than letting them grow.

379 Cognito  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:58:18pm

re: #360 daddycrack

re: #323 Tosprops

Comments like these show so badly for your party. Please go and brush out your ponytail and clean your piercings before bed.

Maybe I'm misreading, but I believe that post is a joke...

380 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:58:23pm
381 squarepeg  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:58:30pm

re: #331 grumpy old codger

Heheh. I defy Selrahc!

382 Thanos  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:58:42pm

re: #351 mistergs

#6

I'm flying to DC tomorrow morning for the gathering of eagles. I need to actually see people without their head up their ass. I read everyone here and at other blogs, but I actually run into very few people who are tolerable on the issues of our day. (I live in L.A.) I know you're out there, I read you here, but I need to actually see some to believe it's not all created in a studio somewhere. Semper Fi, off I fly.


Good for you! Get some good pics

383 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:58:43pm

re: #356 Dar ul Harb

"...a firm timeline for withdrawal. No timeline, no funding."
--John Edwards on MSNBC moments ago

he's an after thought.

384 Fjordman  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:58:57pm
There can never be a just and lasting peace without freedom, rule of law

You will get the rule of law in Iraq. The rule of sharia law. Which is what you are paying for now.

islam and democracy aren't compatible. When democracy reigns islam disappears.

Says who? Islam is incompatible with the goals of democracy but not necessarily with the tools of democracy. If Muslims constitute the majority, democracy could be just the bus you ride to arrive at sharia. You are currently paying for establishing Islamic law in Iraq. Is that rational?

385 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:59:18pm

What about now?

386 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:59:36pm

Damage pics from Hurricane Humberto


I emailed BordM, and he hasn't replied, and Nam Grunt's cell instantly went busy whenever I called, suggesting network troubles. They were very close to landfall point.


Note the FEMA trailers. Not everyone had rebuilt from Rita yet.

387 TUGBOAT  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:59:41pm

My thought for the evening, to paraphrase W...

"A free Iraq will be disatrous for the Democratic party."

388 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:59:43pm

Now?

389 grumpy old codger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:59:47pm

re: #346 nyc redneck
I was nice once. It was May 27, 1968. It will never happen again.

390 kevinmumaw  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:59:51pm

Suffice it to say, Hillary will not be visiting Iraq any time soon, especially as long as General Petraeus is running things. Call me cynical, but Hillary had quite different things to say about Iraq when she was on her taxpayer-funded CODEL...now that she is running for president and scared of the nuts in her party, the true Hillary has come out. Which is to say fake Hillary. She lacks leadership qualities.

391 daddycrack  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 6:59:58pm

re: #379 Cognito

It may be. I am Barley Wine addled at the moment.

392 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:00:01pm
393 rappmandu  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:00:07pm

Thanos,

Afghanistan's Hazara look almost identical to some Nepalis.

394 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:00:16pm

re: #356 Dar ul Harb

"...a firm timeline for withdrawal. No timeline, no funding."
--John Edwards on MSNBC moments ago

Rush (the person) said edward BOUGHT 2 minutes of time on msnbc. Rush (the person, not the band) said he should have bought it on FNC, so people will see it. You must be 1 of the 3 people that watch that channel.

395 Cognito  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:00:19pm

re: #380 song_and_dance_man

Sorry, what's yer point?

396 cbinflux  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:00:31pm

re: #385 A Kiwi Infidel

Don't make me get vacation elbow!

397 derkrieger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:01:17pm

re: #384 Fjordman

I have to agree with fjordman here. It is the very tools he speaks of that may lead to the democratic imposition of sharia within Sweden, Denmark, et al if (when?) the Muslims achieve majority.

Pinkerton - "To keep the peace, we must separate our civilizations. We must start with a political principle, that the West shall stay the West, while the East can do as it wishes on its side of the frontier, and only on its side."

398 andyourintelligence  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:01:35pm

re: #376 SecretInternetDoucheBag

That will be a stain on every one who votes 'cut and run'.
Will the American voter have a collective memory longer than where will I get my next mocha latte.

399 Tosprops  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:01:42pm

Folks, I was kidding. I did add the moonbat disclaimer. I should have added the /satire one too. Sorry.

How about this one -

/satire
We heard expert analysis of what is going on in Iraq during the recent hearings before congress. We heard from a military expert that speaks with authority. We heard from someone that knows the details of every operation, every secret mission, every detail of strategy, every operational aspect of the fighting in Iraq is under their close supervision. This person stays up late burning the midnight oil working to ensure the safety of every soldier with the ultimate aim of a successful and speedy conclusion to the war. Then Hillary stopped speaking and Patraeus got his chance. Too bad he is a two bit liar that has been bought off by Bush. Imagine a guy like Patraeus trying to go toe to toe with Clinton and Obama about military operations. It's just too funny.

/satire off

400 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:01:45pm

re: #394 newsjunkie_ky

Rush (the person) said edward BOUGHT 2 minutes of time on msnbc. Rush (the person, not the band) said he should have bought it on FNC, so people will see it. You must be 1 of the 3 people that watch that channel.

Well, no, actually. I was flipping past on the way from CNN to Fox. ;)

401 cbinflux  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:01:57pm

re: #380 song_and_dance_man

just couldn't let it go...

402 MeCurious  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:02:01pm

Guiliani on Fox now

403 Catttt  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:02:06pm

re: #346 nyc redneck

re: #327 Cattt


re: #203 grumpy old codger
re: #163 Fjordman
"Hope springs eternal in the human breast". We persist because we believe that it may make a difference. we hope that they will change. we pray that, by an example, they may set aside years of tribal hatred. We are Americans, we believe in hope.
That is a lovely comment, hon, and so true. It makes me proud to be an American.
Oh, and I plussed you, nya nya nya. :)

he's going to try to encourage some one to minus your plus. what's up w/ sweet grumpy?

Yeah, but my reply will encourage someone to plus the minus that minused my plus. :) Aint' we got fun?

404 daddycrack  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:02:15pm

I can't wait to check Olbermann watch about his reaction to this. I am sure that he will invoke Hitler... again.

405 kcladderman  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:02:29pm

re: #222 SnakeSpit

re: #183 MrScribbler

Why don't you run for POTUS then, seeing you've got it all figured out?

Sounds more like an armchair President to me

406 Blastforth  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:02:54pm

re: #384 Fjordman

Fundemental human freedom includes freedom of religion and separation of mosque and state. If islam requires otherwise, it must change.

407 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:03:09pm

re: #404 daddycrack

I can't wait to check Olbermann watch about his reaction to this. I am sure that he will invoke Hitler... again.

I keep telling him it's too late to surrender to Hitler. The dude's DEAD, man.

OldLineTexan

408 daddycrack  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:03:22pm

re: #399 Tosprops

9.5% alcohol is my crutch. My apologies.

But it did sound authentic.

409 THELAZYC  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:03:49pm

The F102 was quite a challenge to fly. When they where used by air guards there where quite a few crashes. It took guts to strap you butt in one of these and take off.

[Link: timworstall.typepad.com...]

410 daddycrack  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:04:02pm

re: #407 OldLineTexan

Now that is funny. You almost made me spit up my beer.

411 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:04:33pm

re: #389 grumpy old codger

never say never, grumpy.

412 Killian Bundy  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:04:51pm

Election 2008 National Head-to-Head Polls

/this does not bode well

413 FrogMarch  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:04:57pm

re: #42 mama winger

If when we win this war, the Dems are doomed.

why they are desperate to lose.

414 andyourintelligence  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:04:57pm

re: #398 andyourintelligence

Sorry this was to 374

415 Carridine  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:05:28pm

re: #399 Tosprops

Tos, that's GOOD sarcasm!

Can you script for me? Better, may I record YOUR takes, for publication on the internet?

416 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:05:35pm

Rudy: clintonism!

417 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:05:52pm

re: #411 nyc redneck

re: #389 grumpy old codger

never say never, grumpy.

OK. I'll never say never.

DAMN!

OK, I'll never do that again.

DAMN!

Nevermind.

DAMN!

OldLineTexan

418 Fjordman  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:05:58pm
Fundemental human freedom includes freedom of religion and separation of mosque and state. If islam requires otherwise, it must change.

And what if it can't change?

Do we want an Islamic Reformation?

419 Cognito  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:06:12pm

re: #406 Blastforth

re: #384 Fjordman

Fundemental human freedom includes freedom of religion and separation of mosque and state. If islam requires otherwise, it must change.

Welll... this'll seem like an almost indefensible position, but separation of church (or mosque) and state actually isn't one of the fundamental human freedoms. People can choose to have their church and state shaken and stirred, if they like. Lots of countries did it for a long time, including the one from which America's founding fathers sprang; even they, though, listed 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' as fundamental, though. Church-and-state mixing is a matter of choice.

420 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:06:23pm

re: #403 Cattt

"ain't we got fun?" i think so! hee hee hee

421 Thanos  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:06:23pm

re: #384 Fjordman

Untruths:

Islam and democracy incompatable: Jordan, Indonesia, Turkey.

You can't Occupy Afghanistan:

Alexander the great, the Moghul emperors, the Nepalese, the Persians, Wellington, the Chinese. All of them did so for extended periods of time.

422 daddycrack  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:06:43pm

Check out bill whittle's series [Link: www.ejectejecteject.com...] it has alot of great debunking of everything. Including the presiden't mental capacity.

423 Tosprops  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:06:45pm

re: #408 daddycrack

I understand. It is a sad day for Democrats when something like that can be taken for sincere comments. I have some left wingers that post links to my stuff because they think it is written by a real Progressive. To think that the kos kids who believe that stuff have so much power in the Democratic party is scary.

424 Jimash  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:06:46pm

Stiill liking Rudy.

425 Blastforth  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:06:51pm

Rudy speaks my language.

426 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:07:09pm
427 FrogMarch  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:07:15pm

re: #62 Geepers

Charles (#28),

He's describing the Giuliani approach, on a much larger scale. Take back the streets, and drive out the thugs.

Yes. And how many people had given up on NYC as a crime-ridden shit hole?

All so that spoiled-brat liberals can prance around the NY City streets and take what Giuliani did for granted.

428 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:07:24pm

The Dems should have let Sandy Berger do the response.
"Hello my fellow Americans. I hope you all have long memories, because in 5 to 7 years I plan on stuffing any government documentation down my pants that might hint of anything that even remotely resembles a US victory. Goodnight and may God Bless America."

429 Tosprops  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:07:25pm

re: #415 Carridine

:)

430 The Shadow Do  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:07:31pm

I really don't give a rip about the style of government in Baghdad. What is important is that the government there is dependent on our support and that, I believe, is where our effort is directed - the rest is rhetoric. We will have an ally for so long as the leadership there fears us. Fears not our presence, but our absence.

431 Carridine  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:07:45pm

re: #407 OldLineTexan

re: #404 daddycrack
I can't wait to check Olbermann watch about his reaction to this. I am sure that he will invoke Hitler... again.

I keep telling him it's too late to surrender to Hitler. The dude's DEAD, man.

OldLineTexan

Yeah, but what did Olderman say?

Olderman is Keith's nemesis!

432 Catttt  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:08:12pm

re: #420 nyc redneck

re: #403 Cattt

"ain't we got fun?" i think so! hee hee hee

And I'm not as old as that made me sound! My parents used to sing it. :)

433 cbinflux  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:08:25pm

A recent Mallard Filmore was spot on

The FBI tells a witness that they can put him in Witness Protection or run hin as a Republican for POTUS.

BTW, seen how many shows that Slicks' been on lately?! The NYT's favoritism pales in comparison.

434 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:08:43pm

re: #412 Killian Bundy

I don't think it's that bad. With bush's low approval ratings, an unpopular war and losing congress the Republicans should be doing much worse. The Democrats are unbelievably weak and they're all running on platforms of socialized medicine and raising taxes. When it comes time for people to vote, it's going to be a tough sell.

435 FrogMarch  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:08:51pm

Progressives are not progressives -- they are pathetic regressive losers.

436 Blastforth  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:09:29pm

...

437 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:09:41pm

re: #417 OldLineTexan

re: #411 nyc redneck

re: #389 grumpy old codger

never say never, grumpy.

OK. I'll never say never.

DAMN!

OK, I'll never do that again.

DAMN!

Nevermind.

DAMN!

OldLineTexan

ummm... ok, then!

438 andyourintelligence  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:10:21pm

re: #435 FrogMarch

They are worse than that. They are socialists who are cowards to admit it.

439 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:10:24pm

Fred's not going to make a statement tonight?

440 wargammer2005  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:10:24pm

re: #334 Fjordman

i guess you still do NOT understand what America is.

we can succeed where others have failed.
where an American Trooper goes, he leaves better than it was.
God Bless the US Military.

our problem is not the mexicans or the terrorists.

our biggest problem is the traitors of the left and those too stupid to see them for what they are (as most of the people i work with are blind to the treason).

441 EE  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:10:29pm

What will happen if we leave Iraq? Will Al Qaeda take over or have a significant presence there?

Apart from thoughts about what Al Qaeda may do, what about the Islamic revolutionary government of Iran? What would Iran do in the presence of a power vacuum in Iraq? Iran is a very powerful neighbor, with a powerful armed force, which would face an extremely weak Iraq if we chose this time to flee Iraq, or if we fled pretty soon.

Here is an article by Walid Phares, who gives his estimate of Iran's plans for Iraq (it's a fairly new article, only about 8 days old):
[Link: worlddefensereview.com...]

442 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:10:29pm
443 Roger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:10:43pm

re: #378 Highrise

That is our number one goal there even though it isn't talked about.

Unfortunately depending who becomes the next President, this goal may be postponed for 12 years when it is incredibly tougher(gone nuclear) than to date gaining all the bases around it.

444 Master Shake  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:11:00pm

re: #407 OldLineTexan

The Dems count on the dead to vote for them, they may as well surrender to them as well.

445 Gordan the Fisherman  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:11:21pm

I still don't get it. No mention of the genocide and chaos if we were to leave. To me that is the greatest sticking point, and again he fails to mention it. It's like they don't even stick their heads out of the White House to get a since of what is going on.

446 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:11:37pm

re: #432 Cattt

i know you're a spring chicken by your fighting spirit.

447 cbinflux  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:11:39pm

re: #435 FrogMarch

Progressives are not progressives -- they are pathetic regressive losers.

And our political compromises aren't compromises, they're capitulations.

448 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:11:41pm

re: #437 nyc redneck

OK. It was lame. But I can say "nuclear", and I'm a fifth-generation Texan.

OldLineTexan

449 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:12:02pm

I just love how all the media has picked up the line "the so called surge" from the Dems. Great job picking up talking points assholes.

450 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:12:07pm

So what do the dems not like: The Return or the Success?

451 cbinflux  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:12:21pm

re: #439 Killgore Trout

Fred's not going to make a statement tonight?

He and the Mrs. are filming the new Viagra ad.

452 itellu3times  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:12:25pm

re: #313 LostNV

Two things that I always wonder about..
1. When the President of the US speaks...why does anyone else need equal time? They are not on the same footing as POTUS.

Was having that same thought.

Do they have to give equal time to everyone who is not POTUS? He was not speaking for the Republican Party.

ps - Charles, pages are acting wonky, I have to reload periodically when the quote function stops working.

453 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:12:59pm

Interesting story from der Spiegel today about how much better the Muslim immigrants are assimilating into American society than they are in Europe. (Caution - Puff Piece alert!) A LESSON FOR EUROPE - American Muslims Strive to Become Model Citizens

...It appears that the United States has a more effective immigration policy than Europe. Less well-educated Muslims tended to go to the United States, while others went to the Old World. In Europe, for the most part, they remained part of the lower classes. This is why Washington's Department of Homeland Security is not overly concerned that US Muslims could be planning the next terrorist attack. Muslims from Great Britain and continental Europe seem far more suspicious.

I do believe its the first time I've seen anything in a German newspaper about how America was ahead of Europe in anything meaningful.

454 peck  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:13:01pm

re: #277 song_and_dance_man

But Mandy does get right to the point. Something to be said for such a talent. Wish I could be so effective.

455 Jimash  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:13:17pm

Not only can I say Nuclear, I can also say Corroborate.
Amazingly this is not a qualification for high office.

456 ArmyAunt  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:13:39pm

KosTrash:

Throwing shit at the camera and... (2+ / 0-)
...trying to jerk off the public again.
A really untrained Chimp for sure.

Don't Let Him Make "Iraq" the Victim/Iran Bully (5+ / 0-)
We need to push back HARD on the idea that Iraq is an entity under siege. It's IRAQ that's the obstacle to peace in Iraq, and our presence there.

Took him less than 5 minutes (13+ / 0-)
. . .to criticize the press for not covering the good news.
I think I'm going to turn my CD player back on and just read the comments

Those nutjobs don't even listen

457 EC Marm  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:13:42pm

re: #412 Killian Bundy

/this does not bode well


Wow, is that an understatement. Rudys' been out there campaigning for a while. I can't believe he does that poorly against Hillary.

458 kevinmumaw  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:14:00pm

re: #323 Tosprops

Drugs are bad, m'kay?

459 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:14:04pm

re: #444 Master Shake

re: #407 OldLineTexan

The Dems count on the dead to vote for them, they may as well surrender to them as well.

Let's leave LBJ outta this.

Si, Se Puede is weak conviction compared to how many dead Mexican-Americans voted for thet guy.

OldLineTexan

460 grumpy old codger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:14:13pm

re: #349 Mike in Georgia
Blankety blanc Confederate!

461 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:14:15pm

re: #453 Mich-again

Well if you count not getting taken over by Germany 2 times in the same century then we are way ahead.

462 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:15:44pm

re: #229 DesertSage

I've got something t say to the Reid Brothers, hear me load and clear-

GO F*CK YOURSELVES!

They should go f*ck themselves?!?!? They should go f*ck themselves?!?!? WHY?!?!?

If they go f*ck themselves, that will produce more Reid family members! ! ! And we don't want that, now do we!

No!

They should go fly a kite! In a thunderstorm! With part of the string wrapped several times around their dingalings! So that when the lightning strikes the kite, they'll be rendered sterilized! Take themselves out of the gene pool.

463 Roger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:15:46pm

re: #435 FrogMarch

Progressives also want to try out new unproven things on human society for their amusement; if it doesn't work out they'll just blame the people for not doing exactly as demanded.

464 Piglet-U93  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:15:52pm

re: #163 Fjordman

I predict that when it's all said and done, Iraq will be a heck of a strong ME ally

Why the hell should they become your allies? They are Muslims. M-U-S-L-I-M-S. Since you are infidels, they will never feel grateful for anything you do. They will always return to their favorite pastimes, such as blaming Jews, hating Hindus, attacking Christians and honor killing their daughters. I'm amazed at how little people even here at LGF understand of the enemy, after six years.

Occupying Iraq - and Afghanistan - is a serious mistake. Cut your losses and get out.

I totally agree with you but we should get out on our own terms not theirs.

465 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:15:54pm

re: #448 OldLineTexan

re: #437 nyc redneck

OK. It was lame. But I can say "nuclear", and I'm a fifth-generation Texan.

OldLineTexan

nuclear? cain't you jist say it right?

466 Outrider  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:17:32pm

re: #282 jcm

Anyone who can graduate from Yale.
Get a MBA from Harvard.
Earn his wings on an F-102 (a pilot killer).
Win two terms as gov. of Texas
Win two terms as POTUS.


He must be a freaken genius according to the troofers. Who else could get a massive conspiracy together to blow down the WTC and hit the Pentagon? Who else could get all those explosives together and put in place? Who else could get hundreds, if not thousands of people to keep their mouths shut before, during, and after the event? Who else could smooth talk people into piloting planes into the WTC center? Who else could acquire a missile to slam into the Pentagon? Who else could get a mind ray to alter all the eye witnesses memories? Who else could make an entire planeload of people dissappear? Possibly two planeloads?And all of it done in nine months! He must be a flippen genius eh? Or Rove one. ;-)>

/s

467 EE  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:17:51pm

re #441


If Washington withdraws catastrophically from Iraq what would the Iranian regime do? In about six to nine months, this is what would happen:

1. The pro-Iranian militias (SCIRI, Badr Brigade, Muqtada al Sadr, act.) would seize the control of two thirds of Iraq between Baghdad and Basra. The militias would create "security enclaves," perform several terror acts and assassinations leading to a crumbling of the central Government, and a pro-Khomeinist regime established.


2. Most moderate Shiite politicians and liberal elements in those areas would be eliminated, as did Khomeini with his partners in the Iranian Revolution in 1979. Within less than a year, most Shia partners of the Pro-Iranian forces would be eliminated.


3. And as it was practiced in Lebanon in 1990, the pro-Iranian future regime of Iraq will call in Iranian "brotherly" forces to assist in security and in the defense of the borders. The Pasdaran and the Iranian army will deploy in the southern Oil fields, along the borders with Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Jordan and would connect with the Syrian forces across the borders. The latter will be asked to help in the Anbar province.


4. The Sunni areas will be left to be dealt with later, along with Syrian interventions.


5. The Kurdish areas will be submitted to isolation, pressure and internal divisions, in a concerted effort with Syria and the Islamic Government of Turkey.

This is not a theoretical scenario. This is the projected reality if U.S. forces would prematurely and abruptly withdraw from Iraq before achieving one major strategic objective in Iraq and the region: Helping the independently minded Iraqis to reform and solidify their Government, erect their Army to a regional level and along with U.S. forces establish a containment system for Iranian expansionist ambitions. Any lesser goal achieved in Iraq is a direct invitation to the Iranian regime to become the greatest threat in the 21st century against Peace and Security, in the region and worldwide.

468 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:18:01pm

re: #465 nyc redneck

re: #448 OldLineTexan


re: #437 nyc redneck

OK. It was lame. But I can say "nuclear", and I'm a fifth-generation Texan.

OldLineTexan


nuclear? cain't you jist say it right?

You made me snicker. Stop that.

OldLineTexan

469 peck  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:18:07pm

re: #462 NomadOfNorad

How's the blood pressure? Coming down a bit yet?

470 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:18:49pm

re: #466 Outrider

Rove is Darth Sidious.

Edwards is therefore Jar-Jar Binks.

OldLineTexan

471 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:19:23pm

re: #457 EC Marm

re: #412 Killian Bundy

/this does not bode well


Wow, is that an understatement. Rudys' been out there campaigning for a while. I can't believe he does that poorly against Hillary.

And man, look at how Edwards is clobbering Fred!

Heh.

(I wouldn't put too much stock in these polls, especially those which don't use "likely voters". Note Giuliani over Hillary by 3 among LV.)

472 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:19:30pm

re: #469 peck

Dunno about him, but I feel better.

OldLineTexan

473 UncleSam  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:19:31pm

Charles said in the header to this thread: "Here’s a thread for the lizardoid army to comment, as CODEPINK goes nuts."

CODEPINK's East Bay headquarteres is right next to my favoite deli, which until a few months ago was owned, for thirty-some years, by a very conservative Catholic family. The new owner is a friend of theirs, so he may be a conservative Catholic, too, for all I know.
They are separated by a vacant lot, which is fortunate, as a matter-antimatter explosion would have long ago occurred had circumstances been otherwise.

474 GeeWiz  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:19:43pm

re: #355 song_and_dance_man

re: #335 A Kiwi Infidel


"We bomb Iran in 30 minutes"

and then come back in 1 hour

"I was serious"


Be patient young Padowan, coming, it is.

OOOH, a "Once Upon A Time in America" reference. Great movie, great quote. Good one S&D man.

475 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:20:22pm
476 Tosprops  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:20:55pm

The real moonbats are going batty over this one -

US troops who criticised Iraq war strategy killed in Baghdad

477 UncleSam  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:21:04pm

Meant "headquarters."

478 kcladderman  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:21:13pm

re: #363 EE
There was an editorial in the kansas city star the other day that said President Bush going there instead of Baghdad showed he Iraq strategy was failing

479 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:22:19pm

re: #466 Outrider

re: #282 jcm


Anyone who can graduate from Yale.
Get a MBA from Harvard.
Earn his wings on an F-102 (a pilot killer).
Win two terms as gov. of Texas
Win two terms as POTUS.

He must be a freaken genius according to the troofers. Who else could get a massive conspiracy together to blow down the WTC and hit the Pentagon? Who else could get all those explosives together and put in place? Who else could get hundreds, if not thousands of people to keep their mouths shut before, during, and after the event? Who else could smooth talk people into piloting planes into the WTC center? Who else could acquire a missile to slam into the Pentagon? Who else could get a mind ray to alter all the eye witnesses memories? Who else could make an entire planeload of people dissappear? Possibly two planeloads?And all of it done in nine months! He must be a flippen genius eh? Or Rove one. ;-)>

/s

Not that smart. Convinced the American people to invade Iraq for its oil by lying about Saddam's WMD, but totally forgot to plant some WMD for the inspectors to find after the invasion.

/

480 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:22:46pm

#163 Fjordman

They will always return to their favorite pastimes, such as blaming Jews, hating Hindus, attacking Christians and honor killing their daughters.


Now I'm confused wasn't it blaming Hindus hating Christians, attacking Jews? or was it blaming Christians, hating Jews, attacking Hindus or was it ...? Oh god now I am getting confused. No wonder they end up wanting to kill everyone.

481 Roger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:23:36pm

re: #412 Killian Bundy

Edwards is beating all the Republican candidates!?!?! Some poll!

482 bikermailman  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:23:39pm

re: #309 jcm

re: #300 Blackacre


re: #282 jcm

Anyone who can graduate from Yale.
Get a MBA from Harvard.
Earn his wings on an F-102 (a pilot killer).
Win two terms as gov. of Texas
Win two terms as POTUS.

CANNOT by any stretch of the imagination, be a fool, an idiot, a moron etc...

He may be inarticulate but even at that you have to communicate to get elected, but a fool and and idiot he is not.


Yeah, but it doesn't fit the narrative, don't you know?

*head slap* of course lets focus on his ties to oil and running the Rangers into the ground.
/

Speaking as someone who grew up watching the Rangers, they didn't need Bush to run them into the ground.

483 grumpy old codger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:23:56pm

re: #411 nyc redneck

Well, I've held out for 40 years! doubt if i'll hold out for another 40, but if only the good die young, I'm in!

484 squarepeg  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:24:11pm

re: #412 Killian Bundy

Perspective, my friend. Look at all the blue here, especially as it got closer to Election Day. And we know how that turned out.

485 Thanos  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:24:20pm

OT:
I was going to write a blog post about this tonight, but got carried away converting my mum to Rudy. :)

This is really coolacious, Naval Rail Guns

What says "Hello" better than a railgun that can launch a projectile 95 miles high, and hit with precision at mach 7 in 6 minutes 225 miles (+ or - 50) downrange?

Now they just have to work on the durability and rate of fire.

486 FrogMarch  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:24:37pm

re: #449 SecretInternetDoucheBag

I just love how all the media has picked up the line "the so called surge" from the Dems. Great job picking up talking points assholes.


The DNC media in action carrying their candidate's water.

487 ibrodsky  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:25:54pm

re: #334 Fjordman

Aside from the democracy thing, Fjordman, wouldn't you agree that it is important to fight Al Queda? Well, AQ happens to be in Afghanistan and Iraq.

No nation has ever been able to occupy Afghanistan. I see no reason why you should succeed. I see no reason why you should try. The sane policy for that country, and indeed the entire Islamic world, is to do military raids when it is absolutely necessary to do so, and then leave again as soon as possible. Occupation is just plain stupid.

Isolationism will not stop Islamofacism

It will if we try to isolate them, not us. That's the best we can hope for.

It's interesting that you would say such things on the day that I realized we have to try to bring democracy to Iraq.

If we didn't try, the usual suspects would scream that once again we remove one dictator to install another dictator that we like better.

A couple of other mistakes in your comments:

You distinguish between a "democracy" and a "constitutional republic" and claim we are trying to make Iraq something we rejected. You are mistaken. The US is a representative democracy. We are trying to turn Iraq into the same.

We aren't trying to make Islam democratic. We are trying to make Iraq democratic. Though now faltering, it was done in Turkey, and it can be done in Iraq. Iraq has a large Kurdish population that does not want to be ruled without real representation.

Anyway, I prefer the posts about how our hope springs eternal. Just yesterday there was a thread about Muslim apostates organizing in Europe. Who woulda thought...

488 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:26:50pm

re: #481 Roger

re: #412 Killian Bundy

Edwards is beating all the Republican candidates!?!?! Some poll!

This does not bode well.

/sarc

489 Capitalistincharge  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:26:53pm

I am stunned at the ability the left has to not listen to facts and keep on with their crap. Case in point...A neighbor, over coffee a couple week-ends ago, states that gas prices are so high that he can hardly make ends meet anymore. Followed that with a smear on Bush for not fixing it. This guy is in upper-management with a national retailer. It dawned on me that this dumb-ass might not understand why gas is so high and that the President can't "fix" it. So I ask him if he knows why gas is so high. Gives some stupid, nonsensical answer...basically it's Bush's fault. So, I give him a lesson on Supply and Demand and the China and India growth/demand, etc. He really didn't know this stuff. He seemed to get it. Yesterday, at another neighbors for cocktails and over hear him in the other room, blaming Bush for high gas prices. I am finding new friends to drink with.

490 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:29:09pm

re: #163 Fjordman

I predict that when it's all said and done, Iraq will be a heck of a strong ME ally

Why the hell should they become your allies? They are Muslims. M-U-S-L-I-M-S. Since you are infidels, they will never feel grateful for anything you do. They will always return to their favorite pastimes, such as blaming Jews, hating Hindus, attacking Christians and honor killing their daughters. I'm amazed at how little people even here at LGF understand of the enemy, after six years.

More of the same bullshit from the hyperventilating Fjordman. Really. You keep on running with that nonsense that every single Muslim on the planet is a killer in hiding. Whose side are you on?

491 Piglet-U93  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:29:09pm

re: #253 Fjordman

We persist because we believe that it may make a difference. we hope that they will change. we pray that, by an example, they may set aside years of tribal hatred. We are Americans, we believe in hope.

Well, I hope Santa Claus exists, too, but I wouldn't base my foreign policy upon his existence. And that's pretty much what you do when you "hope" for a reformed Islam.

If they (Iraqis and others) are allowed to leave Islam there is hope otherwise all of the hard work and sacrifice will eventually be lost. Islam will not and cannot be reformed. Islam is a cancer and a plague upon this planet. Left to themselves without guidance and control it will eventually become what it was before we went in.

492 Roentgen  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:29:19pm

OT

Charles:
Thank you for playing the "Weather Report" CD, which I assume is in tribute to the recent passing of one of its founders, Joe Zawinul.

493 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:29:42pm
494 cbinflux  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:29:56pm

Philly Seeks 10,000 Men to Guard Streets

PHILADELPHIA (AP) - The city's embattled police chief, acknowledging that police alone cannot quell a run of deadly violence, has called on 10,000 black men to patrol the streets to reduce crime.

Sylvester Johnson, who is black, says black men have a duty to protect more vulnerable residents. He wants each volunteer to pledge to work three hours a day for at least 90 days.

"It's time for African-American men to stand up," Johnson told the Philadelphia Daily News, which first reported the story Wednesday. "We have an obligation to protect our women, our children and our elderly. We're going to put men on the street. We're going to train them in conflict resolution."

The program's backers include Dennis Muhammad, a former Nation of Islam official who has been hired by police departments in Detroit, Syracuse, N.Y., and other cities to conduct community-sensitivity training.

495 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:30:09pm

re: #484 squarepeg

re: #412 Killian Bundy

Perspective, my friend. Look at all the blue here, especially as it got closer to Election Day. And we know how that turned out.

No kidding. There's been a bit of the legacy media trying to create a "bandwagon" effect for their favored candidates for as long as I can remember.

(Hmmm... where did I put those historical Mondale/Ferraro v. Reagan/Bush '84 numbers?)

496 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:30:50pm

re: #489 Capitalistincharge

I am finding new friends to drink with.


Understand what you are saying. I have cut off contact with some of more left-leaning-loony friends. I still have a couple but am trying to weed them all out. Don't need the negativity that is pervasive with those on the left.

497 rappmandu  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:31:11pm

Defeatocrats are definitely sucking "A-S-S."

498 VetteMan  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:31:33pm

Democrats are once again demonstrating that when it comes to America, their patriotism has a four year shelf life. And right now, there's a lot of dust on that top shelf.

499 bikermailman  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:31:44pm

re: #349 Mike in Georgia

re: #328 BulgarWheat
I can't pronounce it right either. I used to laugh my ass off
every time JFK said Cuber.

Michael Medved and a host of others cringe when W pronounces it 'nukular', but there are about 100 million Americans in the South and Southwest who say it the same durned way. We just don't have the bully pulpit for anyone to hear us say it from.

500 tblot  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:32:38pm

How come Mr bush lays out a plan and the demos say he has no plan. Sure hate to have to look at the move on crowd and not offend them.Sure wish some of the demo would have a spine

501 Roger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:33:16pm

re: #494 cbinflux

Mark Levin started with that only applied it to Baghdad. Then revealed it was actually Philadelphia where they are calling for a surge!

502 andyourintelligence  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:33:26pm

re: #498 VetteMan

Best bumper sticker Ive seen this election cycle -

That P in Democrat stands for Patriotism.

503 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:33:44pm

re: #337 easy

re: #325 Mike in Georgia

Nucular. Doesn't sound much worse then Cuber.

Brilliant. Saved.

Would this make for a good rotating title?

504 marwan's daughter  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:34:06pm

I see that the stupid comments ratings has turned out to be useless after all. It is high school all f-ing over again. I'll watch as I get negative ratings for something that's closer to reality than a pipe dream.

It's good that the surge has produced results, too bad the Dems don't see that. But how long will it last? The sheiks we brought over to our side will most likely turn on us again when they and Al-Qaeda kiss and make up, and you know they will. You know, Oceania, Eurasia, Eastasia and the like. Al-Q may be brutal, as was depicted in Michael Yon's reporting, but they can play good cop too. And they will definitely appeal to the sheiks using the Islam factor. Do you honestly think it is worth it to stay and democratize a country that is full of people who are tribalistic and sectarian more than nationalistic? Iraq the nation is artificial to them, and the only reason Iraq has lasted so long is because of strong-arm dictators, which Iraq has had since 1921. Meanwhile our resources in our own country are depleted. We build new infrastructure in Iraq while ours falls apart. National Security is s***. We have a homegrown threat that we do pretty much nothing about. Sure we catch a few rats here and there but that's it. Why can't we focus on our own business?

Charles, please don't peg me as a troll when the other lizards here give me a -15 rating or something like that. I have a right to my own opinion, and frankly the optimism has to be pegged down when we look at the long-term. I was really disappointed when people gave Fjordman low ratings, because you know he's right. You just know he's right.

505 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:34:35pm

The Dems are hell-bent on making us grasp defeat from the jaws of victory. Its their best hope for the 2008 elections.

506 kevinmumaw  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:35:17pm

re: #476 Tosprops

The real moonbats are going batty over this one -

US troops who criticised Iraq war strategy killed in Baghdad


From the article...

The men directly challenged official claims of progress in the war, calling the debate in Washington "surreal".

People who always use the word surreal are trying to sound more intelligent than they are. It is rampant in Hollywierd.

507 cbinflux  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:35:19pm

re: #501 Roger

White Christians need not apply.

/Register after Friday Prayers at the Liberty Bell

508 EE  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:35:24pm

re #467
The single most important goal, according to the analysis of Walid Phares:

Helping the independently minded Iraqis to reform and solidify their Government, erect their Army to a regional level and along with U.S. forces establish a containment system for Iranian expansionist ambitions.

I don't see how premature withdrawal is going to accomplish this most important of goals.

re #467, Walid Phares' prediction of the first step of Iranian control, if we withdrew prematurely:

The pro-Iranian militias (SCIRI, Badr Brigade, Muqtada al Sadr, act.) would seize the control of two thirds of Iraq between Baghdad and Basra.

What is very important is the dismantling of the pro-Iranian militias that Phares mentioned: SCIRI, the Badr Brigade, Muqtada al Sadr.

I don't see how premature withdrawal is going to accomplish this dismantling of the pro-Iranian brigades.

A mistake we made was listening to the complaints of the UN, and worrying excessively over those complaints, and turning over power too soon to the Iraqis. The elections were held too soon, because once the Iraqis obtained self-government, we have agreed to a much reduced role. We should have first gotten rid of Muqtada al Sadr, and his Jaish al Mahdi; and also gotten rid of the other pro-Iranian militias. Right at the start. But if we don't press the government of Maliki to do this, then the prospects of containing Iran don't look good. And a premature withdrawal is not going to help things.

If Walid Phares' analysis is correct, that is.

509 WhiteRasta  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:35:43pm

re: #493 song_and_dance_man

Ahmed dinnerjacket has been smoking the cigar of mohammed.

He really is living in La-La Land.

510 Jheka  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:35:54pm

re: #485 Thanos

OT:
I was going to write a blog post about this tonight, but got carried away converting my mum to Rudy. :)

This is really coolacious, Naval Rail Guns

What says "Hello" better than a railgun that can launch a projectile 95 miles high, and hit with precision at mach 7 in 6 minutes 225 miles (+ or - 50) downrange?

Now they just have to work on the durability and rate of fire.

That's tremendous. Almost as impressive as Rods from God ... Nothing like a weapons system that can't be neutralized, defended against or avoided ...

511 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:36:55pm

re: #504 marwan's daughter

because you know he's right. You just know he's right.

No he's not. His solutions are stupid.

512 freedomplow  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:37:08pm
No nation has ever been able to occupy Afghanistan

The United States of America

does not occupy, we liberate.

513 rappmandu  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:37:23pm

Whenever I am around moonbats and they (invariably) start spouting off, I just out-moonbat them to the Nth degree. Not only do they get a taste of how they sound to sane people, but they also get an illusory feeling of normalcy, if only for a moment of two.

Call me a softy, I guess.

/

514 kellino  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:37:25pm

re: #489 Capitalistincharge

Don't forget about the domestic side to the supply argument.

The first point here is that there hasn't been a new refinery built in over 30 years and we are near 100% capacity. Blame environmentalists and their lawyers for that.

The second point is the twenty-some different blends that the EPA requires to be in different markets. This creates an additional articial strain on supply at more regional levels. I think at one point the Bush Adminsitration propsed to the EPA reducing the number of blends down to under 10, but I haven't heard if any progress was made on that front.

515 itellu3times  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:37:42pm

re: #485 Thanos

This is really coolacious, Naval Rail Guns

What says "Hello" better than a railgun that can launch a projectile 95 miles high, and hit with precision at mach 7 in 6 minutes 225 miles (+ or - 50) downrange?

Yeah, it sounds kewl, BUT it means you're firing a mach 7 projectile at sea level - don't want to be standing unprotected within about a mile of the muzzle when that occurs. I have doubts. If you could just raise the destroyer up to about 30,000 feet before firing, ... I suspect if it ever is deployed at all, it will end up doing mach 3 ballistic trajectories, plenty of range but much longer flight times. Big Bertha delivered that in WWI. OK then, The Paris Cannon. And Saddam was trying to build one of these to hit Israel, back in 1991.

516 Piglet-U93  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:37:46pm

re: #295 Fjordman

#262: As I've said many, many, many times here, the idea of exporting democracy to an Islamic country such as Iraq is fundamentally flawed on so many levels that I hardly know where to begin. For starters, your own Founding Fathers specifically rejected democracy in your country, which is why the USA became a constitutional Republic, not a democracy. Why should you export a system that wasn't good enough for your own country? And second of all, Islam isn't compatible with democracy. Islam isn't reformable, no matter how many hundreds of billions of dollars and thousand of American lives you throw at it. It can't be done. It's a waste of time and money, while Islamization continues apace at home. In short: It's utter madness.

The ideal strategy/tactic is to destroy the infrastructure of any country that supports terrorism and then leave (do not stay) and repeat as required. While we are there take as much oil and resources as possible as compensation. Currently Iran and Saudi Arabia qualify in my lowly najis feces like infidel mind.

I can only dream of other steps that are required to make the USA safe but no one is listening.

517 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:39:55pm

Hot Air Slams Rudy...
Giuliani’s anti-Hillary, pro-Petraeus ad

Awful. When he said “we” want the same ad rate as MoveOn, I foolishly assumed he meant (a) the pro-Petraeus ad he had in mind would actually be about Petraeus and (b) “we” would include someone other than him. As it turns out, this isn’t a pro-Petraeus ad at all; it’s a campaign ad for Rudy, replete with logo, to prove what a swell troop-supportin’ guy he is and, more importantly, what a swell troop-supportin’ gal his likely opponent in the general election isn’t. At the very least he should have invited the rest of the GOP field to put their names on it too to show that he wasn’t motivated by electoral advantage. This looks like what it is — Rudy trying to exploit the admiration and gratitude (most) Americans feel for Petraeus for his own political benefit.

And if that’s not bad enough, check this out. He Silky-fied it.

Yes, it would have been a classy move for Rudy to take out this ad, include other GOP candidates names, and pay for it himself but he's not running a charity. The GOP could have taken out the ad themselves but they didn't. Rudy's on the right side of the issue and is under no obligation to share credit with other candidates.

518 bikermailman  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:40:44pm

re: #448 OldLineTexan

re: #437 nyc redneck

OK. It was lame. But I can say "nuclear", and I'm a fifth-generation Texan.

OldLineTexan

Me too, and I 'can' say it, but generally don't...

519 itellu3times  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:41:03pm

re: #489 Capitalistincharge

I am stunned at the ability the left has to not listen to facts and keep on with their crap. Case in point...A neighbor, over coffee a couple week-ends ago, states that gas prices are so high that he can hardly make ends meet anymore. Followed that with a smear on Bush for not fixing it. This guy is in upper-management with a national retailer. It dawned on me that this dumb-ass might not understand why gas is so high and that the President can't "fix" it. ...

To start with, the price of gas is not so high, it's barely kept pace with inflation over the past forty years. If you doubt me, count the traffic on the LA freeways. When gas first went to $3/gallon a year or two ago, the shock chased some traffic off the road. It's all back now, and more. Ugh.

520 bikermailman  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:41:58pm

re: #451 cbinflux

re: #439 Killgore Trout


Fred's not going to make a statement tonight?

He and the Mrs. are filming the new Viagra ad.

With that particular Mrs, the ad should run 'well, Viagra, nevermind. Don't need you annnyyy more.'

521 Capitalistincharge  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:42:05pm

re: #496 newsjunkie_ky

Maybe I'll have to move too! LOL. My house was the only one on the block that flew the flag Tuesday. Although my flag flies 365. Here's one to warm the heart. Tuesday morning, when I opened the shop, I stuck a flag in the ground on either side of my front door. Pulled them out at closing time so they wouldn't disappear. Wednesday, the staff opened as I had a meeting and couldn't get in until noon. When I pulled up, the flags were placed, again, beside the door. Same with today. They claim they will keep them there because it makes them proud to let the customers know that we support our Country. So, decided I would go to the expense to have a permanent flag holder attached to the brick. It was a good day.

522 kevinmumaw  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:42:11pm

re: #356 Dar ul Harb

"...a firm timeline for withdrawal. No timeline, no funding."
--John Edwards on MSNBC moments ago

Response:

You are a private citizen, not a congressman. You have no chance in hell of being elected president. Go back to youre 30,000 sq ft mansion and STFU. Thanks for playing.

523 kcladderman  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:42:53pm

re: #504 marwan's daughter

I see that the stupid comments ratings has turned out to be useless after all. It is high school all f-ing over again. I'll watch as I get negative ratings for something that's closer to reality than a pipe dream.

It's good that the surge has produced results, too bad the Dems don't see that. But how long will it last? The sheiks we brought over to our side will most likely turn on us again when they and Al-Qaeda kiss and make up, and you know they will. You know, Oceania, Eurasia, Eastasia and the like. Al-Q may be brutal, as was depicted in Michael Yon's reporting, but they can play good cop too. And they will definitely appeal to the sheiks using the Islam factor. Do you honestly think it is worth it to stay and democratize a country that is full of people who are tribalistic and sectarian more than nationalistic? Iraq the nation is artificial to them, and the only reason Iraq has lasted so long is because of strong-arm dictators, which Iraq has had since 1921. Meanwhile our resources in our own country are depleted. We build new infrastructure in Iraq while ours falls apart. National Security is s***. We have a homegrown threat that we do pretty much nothing about. Sure we catch a few rats here and there but that's it. Why can't we focus on our own business?

Charles, please don't peg me as a troll when the other lizards here give me a -15 rating or something like that. I have a right to my own opinion, and frankly the optimism has to be pegged down when we look at the long-term. I was really disappointed when people gave Fjordman low ratings, because you know he's right. You just know he's right.

And just exactly is OUR OWN BUSINESS?
Cause I thought killing terrorists was our own business.
I don't think you will find too many lizards that are big supporters of the Presidents border policy. But fight Islamic terrorism is just as important.
Plus I don't really see anyone else in here really giving the ratings any serious thought.
You are indeed allowed to have your own opinion but we are also allowed to disagree.
Plus you use the f word like a "progressive"

524 Cognito  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:42:54pm

Just a test...

525 Piglet-U93  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:44:21pm

re: #384 Fjordman

There can never be a just and lasting peace without freedom, rule of law

You will get the rule of law in Iraq. The rule of sharia law. Which is what you are paying for now.

islam and democracy aren't compatible. When democracy reigns islam disappears.

Says who? Islam is incompatible with the goals of democracy but not necessarily with the tools of democracy. If Muslims constitute the majority, democracy could be just the bus you ride to arrive at sharia. You are currently paying for establishing Islamic law in Iraq. Is that rational?

How can this be when the primary rule in their constitution is that Sharia law takes precedence over any other rule or law! It is doomed to revert to pure Islamic fundamentalism.

Of course it could possible be somewhat stable if the military were secular enough like Turkey currently is. Even so, the fighting will be intense.

526 Thanos  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:46:19pm

re: #504 marwan's daughter

I see that the stupid comments ratings has turned out to be useless after all. It is high school all f-ing over again. I'll watch as I get negative ratings for something that's closer to reality than a pipe dream.

It's good that the surge has produced results, too bad the Dems don't see that. But how long will it last? The sheiks we brought over to our side will most likely turn on us again when they and Al-Qaeda kiss and make up, and you know they will. You know, Oceania, Eurasia, Eastasia and the like. Al-Q may be brutal, as was depicted in Michael Yon's reporting, but they can play good cop too. And they will definitely appeal to the sheiks using the Islam factor. Do you honestly think it is worth it to stay and democratize a country that is full of people who are tribalistic and sectarian more than nationalistic? Iraq the nation is artificial to them, and the only reason Iraq has lasted so long is because of strong-arm dictators, which Iraq has had since 1921. Meanwhile our resources in our own country are depleted. We build new infrastructure in Iraq while ours falls apart. National Security is s***. We have a homegrown threat that we do pretty much nothing about. Sure we catch a few rats here and there but that's it. Why can't we focus on our own business?

Charles, please don't peg me as a troll when the other lizards here give me a -15 rating or something like that. I have a right to my own opinion, and frankly the optimism has to be pegged down when we look at the long-term. I was really disappointed when people gave Fjordman low ratings, because you know he's right. You just know he's right.

No, he's wrong. Just like the Maginot line was wrong. Just like the great wall of China was wrong. Just like MAD was wrong.

527 CJW  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:46:45pm

#23 >> Does Mr. Bush look thinner to you?

He knew it would be broadcast in HD tonight. So, he looks thinner because he went out earlier today to get a bikini wax so he would look good for his closeups.

Bush in '08 ! Stay until the GWOT is won.

528 kellino  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:46:57pm

re: #517 Killgore Trout

Rudy's on the right side of the issue and is under no obligation to share credit with other candidates.

Well said. He's running a campaign for crying out loud.

529 Jimash  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:48:41pm

I wonder sometimes what people thought was going to happen to Iraq.
After a war that ended with a cease-fire, 12 years of denying Iraq their own airspace, and the surrender of their national business to the UN, there is no doubt in my mind that Iraq was going to happen sooner or later.
Sorry Iraqis.

530 Texas Joel  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:48:44pm

re: #241 grumpy old codger

re: #211 Texas Joel

Here at fort Drum we don't need any equipment. 3500-4000 soldiers. we're Light Infantry!

I thought Light Infantry was just little bitty fellows, you know 130 lbs with complete kit.

531 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:48:50pm

re: #504 marwan's daughter

I see that the stupid comments ratings has turned out to be useless after all. It is high school all f-ing over again.

You wouldn't be so concerned about what other people thought of you if you only knew how seldom they thought of you.

532 Jheka  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:48:56pm

re: #517 Killgore Trout

Hot Air Slams Rudy...
Giuliani’s anti-Hillary, pro-Petraeus ad


Awful. When he said “we” want the same ad rate as MoveOn, I foolishly assumed he meant (a) the pro-Petraeus ad he had in mind would actually be about Petraeus and (b) “we” would include someone other than him. As it turns out, this isn’t a pro-Petraeus ad at all; it’s a campaign ad for Rudy, replete with logo, to prove what a swell troop-supportin’ guy he is and, more importantly, what a swell troop-supportin’ gal his likely opponent in the general election isn’t. At the very least he should have invited the rest of the GOP field to put their names on it too to show that he wasn’t motivated by electoral advantage. This looks like what it is — Rudy trying to exploit the admiration and gratitude (most) Americans feel for Petraeus for his own political benefit.

And if that’s not bad enough, check this out. He Silky-fied it.


Yes, it would have been a classy move for Rudy to take out this ad, include other GOP candidates names, and pay for it himself but he's not running a charity. The GOP could have taken out the ad themselves but they didn't. Rudy's on the right side of the issue and is under no obligation to share credit with other candidates.

Seems like an odd and partisan beef for Hot Air to have with Rudy. He's running for President. He's not the chairman of the RNC or some such. He's trying to get elected and demonstrate the differences between himself, specifically, and his likely GE opponent. Besides, how could Rudy have been expected to try to get all (or even some) of his Primary opponents to agree to a coherent message in less than 24 hours ... not sure what they expected him to do but it seems like they just took an opportunity to take a swipe.

533 Jheka  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:50:58pm

re: #527 CJW

#23 >> Does Mr. Bush look thinner to you?

He knew it would be broadcast in HD tonight. So, he looks thinner because he went out earlier today to get a bikini wax so he would look good for his closeups.

Bush in '08 ! Stay until the GWOT is won.

Um, please no. I think that damned near everyone (including GWB, in a private moment) would agree that the country is ready for a fresh hand on the wheel.

534 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:51:59pm

Funny how Fjordman never tries defending his "get rid of all the Muslims and everything will be fine" line of thinking that he pushes all the time.

Funnier still how he always gets some to lap it up as a reasonable proposal.

535 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:52:35pm

re: #521 Capitalistincharge

re: #496 newsjunkie_ky

Maybe I'll have to move too! LOL. My house was the only one on the block that flew the flag Tuesday. Although my flag flies 365. Here's one to warm the heart. Tuesday morning, when I opened the shop, I stuck a flag in the ground on either side of my front door. Pulled them out at closing time so they wouldn't disappear. Wednesday, the staff opened as I had a meeting and couldn't get in until noon. When I pulled up, the flags were placed, again, beside the door. Same with today. They claim they will keep them there because it makes them proud to let the customers know that we support our Country. So, decided I would go to the expense to have a permanent flag holder attached to the brick. It was a good day.


Thanks for sharing that with us. My street has lots of Flags. Two retired Marines live side by side (across from me). One, a woman who was in Desert Storm. Only a couple of real loons (that I know) on the street. One I asked to leave my house after she bad mouthed Bush and the War or Terror.

536 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:52:48pm

re: #532 Jheka

There's a lot of Fred support over there. Maybe that explains it.

537 lowandslow  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:54:32pm

I don't completely disagree with what Fjordman is saying but I sure don't agree we can't get Islam to reform but it has to come from current Muslims that reject the parts of the Koran and their faith that calls for violence, oppression, jihad, etc. But do we listen to them? No, instead the media, politicians, etc. give voice to terrorist enablers like CAIR.
This is where we need to start right here in the U.S. This is what pisses me off about the left so much is the lengths they'll go to apologize for Islam for no other purpose but to damage the President and try to gain a political advantage.
Blogs like this don't misrepresent what Islam really is but face it, we are a small minority of those that get it. Most people think that just because they know a few Muslims and their not violent and that people like us are just extremists that are overreacting to the Islamic threat. I wish we were, sadly we're not.

538 Roger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:55:11pm

re: #490 Mich-again

You keep on running with that nonsense that every single Muslim on the planet is a killer in hiding.

It is not so much every single Muslim, the person, is a killer but the ideology inside him/her is no good for them or the society around them. There are plenty of other things to believe besides anti-Jew and anti-Christian crud.

539 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:56:04pm

re: #517 Killgore Trout


Looked at the ad linked at Hot Air, and while it is meant as a pro-Giuliani ad, in a sense, the largest part of the ad is a defense on Petraeus and a slam on The Pantsuit Stalin.


R.G ain't my favorite Republican, but the 'awful' description is a little strong.

540 Jheka  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:58:09pm

re: #536 Killgore Trout

re: #532 Jheka

There's a lot of Fred support over there. Maybe that explains it.

Something along the lines of "I didn't raise nearly as much money as I thought I would and sat on my ass for the last six months ... why won't my opponent let me piggy-back my message on his ad?!? Bastidge!"

In politics, as in much of life, being first matters. Rudy gets that.

541 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:58:17pm

re: #469 peck

re: #462 NomadOfNorad

How's the blood pressure? Coming down a bit yet?

You're right, that was dumb. I take it back. Everyone go click Minus on #462. I did.

Dunno if it's worth a Cleanup on isle 462! Cleanup of isle 462!

542 cbinflux  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:58:49pm

re: #534 Mich-again

Re-post?

543 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:58:55pm

#538 Roger

Of course these days we can't suggest that they replace hating Christians and Jews with the satisfying substitute of contempt for the French. Me bad I'm sorry I love all my allies especially the reformed ones.

544 Jheka  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 7:59:52pm

Question:

Why, oh why won't the Dems run Ben Affleck for President?

/Maybe then he'll stop making terrible movies.

545 EE  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:00:48pm

Charles Krauthammer takes the view that, given the refusal of the central government of Iraq to do very much, Iraq is becoming partitioned in practice. We can help make that partitioning happen sensibly and orderly (becoming federalized, to put it nicely, with at least a shell of a central government). If we withdraw prematurely, then the partitioning will happen in chaos. He estimates that that is inevitable, and the choice is between an orderly partitioning or one that happens chaotically if we withdraw.

His opinion of the central government, the Maliki government, is about as low as anybody's, and maybe his opinion of that government is lower than anybody's. He doesn't think it is capable of much, and he wants to make the best of a situation involving a dismal, disappointing central government.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

We should have gotten rid of Muqtada al Sadr right away.
And we should have taken care of some things before handing power over to the Iraqis.
If Charles Krauthammer's analysis is correct.

546 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:00:54pm

re: #534 Mich-again

Funny how Fjordman never tries defending his "get rid of all the Muslims and everything will be fine" line of thinking that he pushes all the time.

Funnier still how he always gets some to lap it up as a reasonable proposal.


I don't agree with what Fjordman posted about pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan.


But he does an excellent job at LGF reporting on the slow but steady Muslim invasion of Scandinavia, the dhimmis who enable it, and the few who bravely oppose it.

547 Capitalistincharge  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:02:09pm

re: #528 kellino

Not to mention he would have had a difficult time getting the rest of the GOP to stand up and be counted. These people have not shown alot of backbone as of late.

548 Roger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:02:14pm

re: #543 lifeofthemind

lol! That'd do it! At least there is plenty of logical and understandable support for said substitution:-)

549 Carridine  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:03:14pm

CSpan : very interesting analysis and concurrent disruption by discourteous, loudmouthed boobs!

550 Born Again Republican  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:05:10pm

re: #541 NomadOfNorad

re: #469 peck

re: #462 NomadOfNorad

How's the blood pressure? Coming down a bit yet?

You're right, that was dumb. I take it back. Everyone go click Minus on #462. I did.

Dunno if it's worth a Cleanup on isle 462! Cleanup of isle 462!

No! lol Glad I was directed back to that post I had a good chuckle!

551 Jheka  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:06:47pm

re: #539 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

re: #517 Killgore Trout


. . .


R.G ain't my favorite Republican, but the 'awful' description is a little strong.

You may have said it, but I don't recall; who is your guy, currently?

552 ContraJihadi  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:06:53pm

re: #536 Killgore Trout

re: #532 Jheka

There's a lot of Fred support over there. Maybe that explains it.

True, and like Fred, although Hot Air is on the Right side, it seems to be focused more on image and drama than substance and resolve. Perhaps Rudy, while not showy, is just too much focused on specific ideas for Hot Air's taste.

Another issue: Hot Air believes Rudy is too soft on illegal immigration, but I think they have misread him. I predict that as president, with more control over the situation, he will not take the same path he took as a mayor with limited control. He will instead rally congress behind a "law enforcement" approach.

553 Roger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:10:22pm

re: #551 Jheka

Mine btw, is Marcus Luttrell.

/Lip sync is bad.

554 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:10:58pm
555 EE  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:11:32pm

Daniel Pipes was one person who was not cheering when the Iraqis went to elections. He did not think that the time was ripe for that to happen. And now seeing the do-nothing hopelessly lost central government that is in power there, it seems that his skepticism was right. Maybe we turned over power too soon, before taking care of some things like getting rid of Muktada al Sadr and his pro-Iranian militia -- and getting rid of other pro-Iranian militias.

Here is his plan for salvaging Iraq: deploy US forces out of the cities and keep them there, but out of the cities.

556 EE  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:12:13pm

re #555 here is the link
[Link: www.meforum.org...]

557 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:12:23pm

re: #551 Jheka

re: #539 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet


re: #517 Killgore Trout


. . .


R.G ain't my favorite Republican, but the 'awful' description is a little strong.


You may have said it, but I don't recall; who is your guy, currently?

Duncan Hunter, be he is a long shot. The thinking man's Tom Tancredo.

Of the Big 3, I prefer Romney.


I will vote Republican if Hillary, Obama or Edwards are the Democratic nominee, unless its Ron Paul, than I'll just get drunk and avoid the news on election night.

558 Jheka  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:13:20pm

re: #553 Roger

re: #551 Jheka

Mine btw, is Marcus Luttrell.

/Lip sync is bad.

I saw that interview when it aired. Blew me away.

559 stevieray  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:13:24pm

re: #479 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

re: #466 Outrider

re: #282 jcm


Anyone who can graduate from Yale.
Get a MBA from Harvard.
Earn his wings on an F-102 (a pilot killer).
Win two terms as gov. of Texas
Win two terms as POTUS.


He must be a freaken genius according to the troofers. Who else could get a massive conspiracy together to blow down the WTC and hit the Pentagon? Who else could get all those explosives together and put in place? Who else could get hundreds, if not thousands of people to keep their mouths shut before, during, and after the event? Who else could smooth talk people into piloting planes into the WTC center? Who else could acquire a missile to slam into the Pentagon? Who else could get a mind ray to alter all the eye witnesses memories? Who else could make an entire planeload of people dissappear? Possibly two planeloads?And all of it done in nine months! He must be a flippen genius eh? Or Rove one. ;-)>/s

Not that smart. Convinced the American people to invade Iraq for its oil by lying about Saddam's WMD, but totally forgot to plant some WMD for the inspectors to find after the invasion.

/

Hmmm... Bush can pull together the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world in eight months, and the media buys it.

Clinton gets "serviced" in the oval office (with no witnesses present), and he gets caught.

Who is the dumb one?

560 kellino  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:13:30pm

Ahmadinejad is a comedian! who knew!

While saying that Israel "cannot continue it's life" today he added a few gems like these:

Iranians do not believe in war and consider it a "last resort," he said.

Never mind the peaceful Iranian revolution and the longest conventional war of the 20th Century -- the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980's.

He added, "Responsible people should understand this: that Iran is against any sort of insecurity and attacks, and Iraq is able to defend themselves."

Against all attacks? Even those committed with Iranaian arms and/or Iranian agents?

"We are sorry for your soldiers to be killed. We think peace should exist. Why should there be an invasion so that people will be killed?" he asked.

how dumb do you have to be to fall for this? I'm sure this extends to the Jews as well

"We can help solve many problems in Iraq. We can help secure Iraq. We can help the attackers leave Iraq if the American government and British government correct themselves." he said.

How will they help the attackers leave Iraq? By recalling their special forces?

561 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:13:41pm

#545 EE

Maliki is the best that we could get in that situation. It is a 55-60% Shia country after all. Yes we should have dealt with Sadr earlier but the to clever by half guys were still playing out fantasies of floating like butterflies and stinging like bees back then. Like I satirized in my first post on this thread it is easy to get those pesky sequences out of order.

America's Greatest Political Invention was the effective theory of a constitutional Federalism. Sure there were earlier models, notably in Switzerland, but Madison deserves credit for just how amazingly effective this system has been. The one time it broke down we had our own Civil War. So we shouldn't act to high and mighty at the Iraqis as they try to figure this thing out. The Sunnis are starting to get the idea that these can protect them while giving them access to a share of the oil money. The Shia have to learn the "Republican" idea of using constitutional buffers for deflecting the passions of the majority.

562 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:13:43pm

Despite spelling errors late in the evening, I am not consuming intoxicating beverages tonight.

563 tblot  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:13:56pm

Who the hell does Johnny boy think we are fighting. Wish someone remine him it takes balls to be President and he ain't got any

564 Jheka  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:14:15pm

re: #557 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

re: #551 Jheka


re: #539 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

re: #517 Killgore Trout
. . .


R.G ain't my favorite Republican, but the 'awful' description is a little strong.


You may have said it, but I don't recall; who is your guy, currently?

Duncan Hunter, be he is a long shot. The thinking man's Tom Tancredo.

Of the Big 3, I prefer Romney.


I will vote Republican if Hillary, Obama or Edwards are the Democratic nominee, unless its Ron Paul, than I'll just get drunk and avoid the news on election night.

So, if Gore enters the race ...

:)

565 Capitalistincharge  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:15:44pm

#559 Stevieray

LOL! Exactly right.

566 Pdogg  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:18:54pm

The democratic response was about as coherent and respectable as the Britney Spears #1 fan rant on Youtube.

567 Jheka  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:19:18pm

re: #552 ContraJihadi

re: #536 Killgore Trout


re: #532 Jheka

There's a lot of Fred support over there. Maybe that explains it.


True, and like Fred, although Hot Air is on the Right side, it seems to be focused more on image and drama than substance and resolve. Perhaps Rudy, while not showy, is just too much focused on specific ideas for Hot Air's taste.

Another issue: Hot Air believes Rudy is too soft on illegal immigration, but I think they have misread him. I predict that as president, with more control over the situation, he will not take the same path he took as a mayor with limited control. He will instead rally congress behind a "law enforcement" approach.

Rudy strikes me as a pragmatist. A man who sees a problem, envisions the desired end result and figures out the best way to get there. Pragmatists get things done and are especially effective when dealing with divided or hostile legistatures (which is what the next POTUS will inherit if he is a Republican). Ideologues sound good and get the blood flowing but they generally get damned little accomplished. Just look at Kucinich, Paul, Gravel, etc.

When it comes to immigration, Rudy won't be the guy calling for mass round-ups, indiscriminate deportations and machine gun turrets at the borders ... but he'll get more accomplished than the guy who does call for those things.

568 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:19:35pm

re: #560 kellino


In defense of the Islamic Republic, Iraq started that war by invading Iran.


Well, the Islamic Republic is still pretty indefensible, and the occupation of the US embassy was an act of war. Too bad Carter didn't have the sack to at least threaten an attack. Supposedly, Khomeini didn't order the invasion, and initially thought it would bring an immediate American military response, and was amazed at how spineless Carter was. Supposedly cooler heads prevailed, and the Soviet Union's embassy wasn't occupied, despite the desire of a few of the loonier members, or else Iran would have become the Socialist Republic of Iranistan in very short order.

569 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:20:51pm

re: #559 stevieray

re: #479 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet


re: #466 Outrider

re: #282 jcm


Anyone who can graduate from Yale.
Get a MBA from Harvard.
Earn his wings on an F-102 (a pilot killer).
Win two terms as gov. of Texas
Win two terms as POTUS.

He must be a freaken genius according to the troofers. Who else could get a massive conspiracy together to blow down the WTC and hit the Pentagon? Who else could get all those explosives together and put in place? Who else could get hundreds, if not thousands of people to keep their mouths shut before, during, and after the event? Who else could smooth talk people into piloting planes into the WTC center? Who else could acquire a missile to slam into the Pentagon? Who else could get a mind ray to alter all the eye witnesses memories? Who else could make an entire planeload of people dissappear? Possibly two planeloads?And all of it done in nine months! He must be a flippen genius eh? Or Rove one. ;-)>/s

Not that smart. Convinced the American people to invade Iraq for its oil by lying about Saddam's WMD, but totally forgot to plant some WMD for the inspectors to find after the invasion.

/


Hmmm... Bush can pull together the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world in eight months, and the media buys it.

Clinton gets "serviced" in the oval office (with no witnesses present), and he gets caught.

Who is the dumb one?


That deserves 20 +s

570 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:22:46pm
571 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:22:47pm

re: #532 Jheka

re: #517 Killgore Trout

Seems like an odd and partisan beef for Hot Air to have with Rudy. He's running for President... Besides, how could Rudy have been expected to try to get all (or even some) of his Primary opponents to agree to a coherent message in less than 24 hours ...

Not to mention they're all probably kicking themselves for not having thought of it first...

572 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:23:34pm

Well, since Lieberman and Zel Miller have no chance, I can't count them.

Governor Richardson, of all the Democratic candidates, is the one most qualified, by both experience and philosophy, to be President, although I'd still almost certainly vote Republican.


I suspect Obama, of the too good to be true, beyond Dan Quayle type gaffes (arugula!, may be a Clinton plant, to keep Richardson or Dodd from gaining media attention, and to make Hillary look presidential by comparison.

573 UncleSam  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:24:20pm

#526 said" No, he's wrong. Just like the Maginot line was wrong. Just like the great wall of China was wrong. Just like MAD was wrong."

If MAD was so wrong, how do you explain the collapse of the Soviet Union?
It held in check for over forty years, until we trumped them with SDI.

574 UncleSam  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:26:40pm

Meant ,"It held them in check.."
Long day at work.
Gotta crash...

575 Carol Herman  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:28:51pm

re: #567 Jheka


I loved this post!

I get to see Hot-Air when Glenn Reynolds links to one of their posts. (Like he did when Michelle Malkin tried to get an appointment with the editor of The New Republic, Franklin Foer.)

Like Ann Coulter; sometimes I'll laugh. And, I'll always acknowledge her talent. But I'm there to be amused. Not to agree.

Where Fred doesn't get me excited, is that he's too much of a "showman." Trying to pull off a Ronald Reagan performance. Rudy, on the other hand, is the real deal.

576 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:29:26pm

re: #569 newsjunkie_ky

re: #559 stevieray

That deserves 20 +s

Yes, except for the fact that you, like stevieray, quoted the whole damn previous post just to add one line.

577 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:29:42pm

re: #570 Iron Fist

I didn't have time to listen to the speech, but I figure I got a pretty good update from the minions here. It sounds like both the President and the Democrats (Surprise! Not )missed the biggest piece of the puzzle.

If we hadn't gone to war, Saddam would still be in power, and sanctions would have gone away by now. This would leave Saddam Hussein to start doing anything he wanted to. In a post-9-11 world, that was not an acceptable option.

The L³eft especially doesn't get that fact, and W doesn't hammer it home.

True. The Democrats get away with comparing what W actually did to their fantasy of the perfect outcome otherwise. And no one calls them out on that.

578 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:29:49pm

re: #550 Born Again Republican

re: #541 NomadOfNorad

re: #469 peck

re: #462 NomadOfNorad

How's the blood pressure? Coming down a bit yet?

You're right, that was dumb. I take it back. Everyone go click Minus on #462. I did.

Dunno if it's worth a Cleanup on isle 462! Cleanup of isle 462!

No! lol Glad I was directed back to that post I had a good chuckle!

It always amazes me that people will say, about someone that's doing bad things, that we should "Go f*ck them!" or something of the sort. What they don't realize, of course, is that if we took that suggestion literally, we'd wind up with more of them, when what we really want is less of them. Funny how our language works, eh?

579 ContraJihadi  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:31:15pm

re: #567 Jheka

When it comes to immigration, Rudy won't be the guy calling for mass round-ups, indiscriminate deportations and machine gun turrets at the borders ... but he'll get more accomplished than the guy who does call for those things.

Agreed. I hope I didn't give the impression that I meant Rudy's "law enforcement" approach would be so extreme, clumsy, and impracticable. I imagine he would use something like his CompStat method.

580 hillbilly geek  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:31:27pm

Like a thin chance = a fat chance

581 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:32:41pm

re: #576 Dar ul Harb

All right, well, stevieray added three lines.

582 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:32:50pm
583 UncleSam  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:32:56pm

Yes, I know I mixed chess and bridge terms in my post #573.
So it goes...

584 Jheka  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:34:25pm

Fred Thompson when asked about Terri Schiavo:

"I can't pass judgment on it. I know that good people were doing what they thought was best," Thompson said. "That's going back in history. I don't remember the details of it."

Does anyone here not remember the details of it?

Anyone at all? I'm not trying to pick at that scab (my view on the matter was a tad nuanced, as some may or may not recall). My point is twofold. First, I want my candidate honest and, frankly, I do not believe for a second that Fred Thompson was not aware of the case, did not discuss it with friends, family and colleagues and does not have an opinion on it (and if any of that is the case, he is not aware enough for the job of POTUS). Second, I want a candidate who has the integrity and political courage to express a view that may not be universally (or even at all) popular. It was a tough but legitimate question about a candidate's view on the proper scope and extent of federal legislative and executive authority in a difficult state matter ... and Thompson ducked it.

That's a safe approach but it's not admirable.

Note: in fairness, he did speak generally, saying that:

"Local matters generally speaking should be left to the locals. I think Congress has got an awful lot to keep up with."

585 Highrise  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:41:30pm

re: #584 Jheka

I can't really blame him for saying he doesn't remember the details. For you and I to talk let's say, we know the details..but when you are a candidate talking to the press and they begin asking legal questions, etc...I am not sure it is something I'd have gotten into if I were him. Too many golden opportunities to become a negative headline. Now if it were something to do with Iraq, Iran, border control, illegal immigration, gun control, abortion and he evaded those, probably not good.

I'm more concerned that I have been hearing he supported mccain feingold :( and his associations with certain people need explaining. We got time to vet these people out...this is really early in the game.

586 stevieray  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:42:01pm

re: #581 Dar ul Harb

Ha! Not this time!

587 howyadoin  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:42:05pm

#504 marwan's daughter

Well..that just didn't work. I hit the plus to rate your comment and it didn't go from "-7" to "-6". It went to "-8"! That just aint right!

588 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:42:14pm

re: #582 Iron Fist

re: #578 NomadOfNorad,

Perhaps we should say "Fuck them with a chainsaw. That's what I say :-þ

ROFLMGO!

Yeah, that'd probably work. LOL!

589 Carridine  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:46:34pm

1/ Why was that maroon allowed national air-time immediately after the President's address? What kind of subversive, destructive PC baloney was THAT?

2/ Did ANYONE, Dem or Rep or talking head analyst, mention the fact that IF America abandons Iraq now, the American moment is OVER? If America leaves Iraq NOW, then there will be no trust of America from without, and distrust of what America has become from within. America would be FINISHED as a political entity!

590 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:47:14pm

re: #587 howyadoin

#504 marwan's daughter

Well..that just didn't work. I hit the plus to rate your comment and it didn't go from "-7" to "-6". It went to "-8"! That just aint right!

Clearly two other people musta clicked Minus after you loaded that part of the page, but before you voted on that post, so you're Plus vote got canceled out.

591 Outrider  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:48:36pm

re: #546 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

I don't agree with what Fjordman posted about pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan.
But he does an excellent job at LGF reporting on the slow but steady Muslim invasion of Scandinavia, the dhimmis who enable it, and the few who bravely oppose it.


Hear hear! Fjordman has excelled at posting developments and I have always enjoyed his analysis.
I think he is mostly wrong this time at bat though. Iraq will never have the type of government we have. But nobody has the makeup of citizens that we have either. After Germany and Japan were defeated, we helped form their governments along our lines, but with differences tailored to them.
I don't know how it will work when we left Sharia law intact, but perhaps they will create their own stamp to put on their form of Representational Democracy. Leaving them to fend for themselves is for sure not the greatest idea.
Afghanistan is a different story. If I recall correctly, they have never had a strong central government. But, at least we can have a reasonably stable government while we conduct our business there...and in the future.

592 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:51:46pm

re: #590 NomadOfNorad

BTW, it was -6 when I got there. I clicked Plus on her post, and the result changed to -7. Grrr...

593 iraqihere  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 8:55:37pm

re: #28 Charles

Charles, when I rate down or up an already negative rated comment, the color change from red to green although the number is still negative.

594 Right Wing Nut Job  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 9:10:16pm

re: #577 Mich-again


... The Democrats get away with comparing what W actually did to their fantasy of the perfect outcome otherwise. And no one calls them out on that.


You do.

595 missykrissy  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 9:12:27pm

re: #295 Fjordman

How utterly... is the term racist? What is the cultural equivalent?
Even is what you said about Islam is true ( and I wouldn't agree that it is) that still leaves:

1) Not everyone in Iraq is a Muslim. There are many other ( minority) religions - some of which are *very* much more civilized than the common run of Islam. (Cosmopolitan - in the classic meaning of civilized.)

2) Not all Muslims are 'incompatible with democracy'. The folks living in LA (for the most part) deal with it just fine. More if you exclude the recent-crazy immigrants.

3) History ( our own and Europe and South America ) show clearly that in a throw-down between theocracy and democracy/Republicanism - the preachers lose every time. It just... takes a little time.

596 Render  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 9:19:16pm

No.

Fjordman is not right, or even correct, on several levels.

As Thanos pointed out, (#367, #421), Afghanistan has been successfully occupied, several times.

To which I add, what we are doing in Afghanistan can hardly be termed an "occupation" considering how few troops we actually have in Afghanistan.

As EE pointed out, (#363, #441/467), so eloquently, a precipitous withdrawal from Iraq would likely be a disaster.

I can only add to that...

Even with a 200-1 kill ratio and an average of 1,500 a month, we're not done.

We aren't even trying hard. Yet...

===

Never tell Americans what we can or cannot do. Because we can...

LARGER
THAN
LIFE,
R

597 missykrissy  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 9:22:23pm

re: #453 Mich-again

The primary reason that Muslim immigrants in American tend to 'adapt and fit in' is that we don't have Europe's level of welfare state. If they want to live well, they have to live with and as the rest of us ( excluding a few places which have Islamic ghettos ) and they have to work or do business with 'regular Americans' if they want to prosper.

Go downtown in LA and you can see every sort of person working hard and getting along. Maybe not loving each other - but getting by together. That's just the way business works.

598 Strike Hornet  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 9:26:05pm

re: #279 ratherdashing

Rudy: five times now "Islamic Terrorists"

Gordon Brown is cringing...

599 rottenrobbie  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 9:35:54pm

re: #57 MidwestEngr

I doubt it. All their heads exploding couldn't light a dim bulb.

600 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 9:48:09pm

re: #422 daddycrack

Check out bill whittle's series [Link: www.ejectejecteject.com...] it has alot of great debunking of everything. Including the presiden't mental capacity.

HOLY SHIT ! ! !

I just read through the whole article, and it is brilliant! And I am grateful for the link he provided to a place that collects ALL the pro-invade-Iraq things the Left said in the early double-Os before they started claiming they'd been against it. With lots of audio and video. I have been wanting a link like that for ages! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

I have bookmarked this article, and that other page referenced above. Both are a great find!

601 stevieray  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 9:49:10pm

re: #598 Strike Hornet

re: #279 ratherdashing

Rudy: five times now "Islamic Terrorists"

Gordon Brown is cringing...

And too many of his advisers are seething.

602 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 9:54:20pm

I thought it was a good speech. Perhaps even very good. I especially liked:

"..Whatever political party you belong to, whatever your position on Iraq, we should be able to agree that America has a vital interest in preventing chaos and providing hope in the Middle East. We should be able to agree that we must defeat al Qaeda, counter Iran, help the Afghan government, work for peace in the Holy Land, and strengthen our military so we can prevail in the struggle against terrorists and extremists..."

"..Some say the gains we are making in Iraq come too late. They are mistaken. It is never too late to deal a blow to al Qaeda. It is never too late to advance freedom. And it is never too late to support our troops in a fight they can win..."

[emphasis mine]

I bet that caused some cranial trauma in the local moonbat population.

603 PatFromGermany  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 10:01:49pm

re: #323 Tosprops

funny as heck! (still some moonbats wouldn't actually get the irony)

604 Carol Herman  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 10:04:13pm

re: #600 NomadOfNorad

NOt a boy. But, yeah. A great read! Ah, and how kids can be sold stuff, when they're young, because the ads go straight to the heart. Even if the crap is made out of cardboard.

Oh, and thanks for the link to Bill Whittle.

Gotta tell ya, it dawned on me only after I saw a Lucianne post; with a link to Krauthammer's new piece. That Petraeus was going "home." (Where, in the senate, he meant "going back to Irak.") And, he's stopping in London, first.

And, then it dawned on me. Bush wasn't going to give a speech, tonight, spelling out his battle plans ... Because the "battle plans" belong to Petraeus. And, he was "here." Not "there."

So whatever time elements are involved in our future "fixing" of the Axis of Evil, which includes North Korea and Syria;

Oh, and Iran.

Bush wasn't about to lay "that" out on the table.

All we have to absorb are the behaviors. How the Vietnam Memorial, for instance, can be damaged, with a gunk you can't remove. And, the creeps that did this, did this late at night. Not exactly brave, are they, now?

Ditto, the senators, mostly from the Bonkey party. But so many of them are just out-of-touch, it was a most unpleasant experience to watch the circus.

Do you really think Code Pink brought new people on board the Bonkey train? Because, I don't.

Yes, my hopes were raised. Where? In the speech department, of all places. Why? Now, I have no idea.

I just thought that Bush could send missiles into Iran; and that would be that.

Nope.

General Petraeus is in charge of "next steps." And, from where I sit, Olmert, too, seems to be gearing up to be behind Bush. And, not on some mad skirmish to "score points."

The syrians must have been devasted; and totally embarassed to learn that their desert "works" is now just a big fat hole. ANd, the "NO JAM" anti-artillery, they paid good money for, is another crappy russian product.

THis does set them back, over there. Whether you know it. Or not. Assad's not looking for a war with Israel!

All the other stuff is gonna be on Bush's time table.

And, then next year? It seems he's planning some very big trips around our world. So, I'll venture to guess ... he's counting on his own public appearances. Intead of letting all matters rest with the UN.

Time's on our side.

Our enemies don't sleep all that well at night.

And, when they tune in CNN, and get one of Bush's speeches, ya know what? THEY. GET. BAFFLED.

605 Roger  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 10:11:56pm

re: #591 Outrider

There is a difference with Germany and Japan. They weren't allowed Nazism and Emperor worship respectively. It wasn't a legal problem to bring about law and order either.

606 Outrider  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 10:29:09pm

re: #600 NomadOfNorad
re: #422 daddycrack

Check out bill whittle's series [Link: [Link: www.ejectejecteject.com...]...] it has alot of great debunking of everything. Including the presiden't mental capacity.

HOLY SHIT ! ! !

I just read through the whole article, and it is brilliant! And I am grateful for the link he provided to a place that collects ALL the pro-invade-Iraq things the Left said in the early double-Os before they started claiming they'd been against it. With lots of audio and video. I have been wanting a link like that for ages! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

I have bookmarked this article, and that other page referenced above. Both are a great find!


What a superb read! This guy is a great, entertaining writer that covers all the required points while refuting the fools talking points! Thanks for posting the link!

607 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 10:51:11pm

re: #604 Carol Herman

Incidentally, does anyone know what $6.95 in 1960 dollars equates to in 2007 dollars? What would that seven-foot, cardboard and plastic submarine have been priced if it were being sold today?

I can remember comic books being 30 cents around 1978 or so, and now they're probably more like $2.50!

608 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 10:57:13pm

re: #606 Outrider

I notice you're not using the built-in quote function of this blog, and are instead doing a copy-and-paste. By doing a copy-and-paste, you have caused my post and daddycrack's post to look like it was all one post, and have munged the original hyperlink...

But, you're right, we should all thank daddycrack for providing that link.

609 Render  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 11:36:08pm

Newbs...

Bill Whittle is a registered Lizard.

Welcome to the big leagues.

SWING
HARD,
R

610 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Sep 13, 2007 11:57:35pm

"Liberty is too precious a thing to be buried in books, Miss Saunders. Men should hold it up in front of them every single day of their lives and say, 'I'm free to think and to speak. My ancestors couldn't. I can. And my children will' "

- Jimmy Stewart, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington

611 Droplet  Fri, Sep 14, 2007 12:33:16am

I thought he was going to address the New England Patriots cheating scandal. Once again, Bush disappoints!

612 Uriah_lost  Fri, Sep 14, 2007 1:00:51am

re: #363 EE

There is a big difference between seeking a change for the better, and seeking change for the sake of change, which could be a change for the worse. The words of Barack Obama in response to the president's address say that the need is for change -- but change for the sake of change can mean a change for the worse.

There has been a change for the better on the ground in Anbar Province, and elsewhere.

Would a cut and run plan be a change for the better? That depends on what would be the likely result of retreat. The Dems emphasize that it would bring change, but they don't bother to try to predict what the consequences of doing that would be. If we produce a power vacuum by removing all of our forces, or almost all of them, would Iran exploit the power vacuum by taking over Iraq? What would prevent or discourage Iran from doing this? And would that be in the interest of the US? There is no serious discussion by the cut and run advocates of what would happen if the US produced a power vacuum there by removing all, or almost all, of our forces.

Change? A change for the better is important. A change for the worse is not something that should be pursued.

Back in the "beforetime" I remember Bill Buckley quoting a friend as illustrating his form of Conservatism as, "Don't just do something, stand there!"

613 Uriah_lost  Fri, Sep 14, 2007 1:08:43am

re: #609 Render
If we could get Charles to work up a system to verify that all new hatchlings have read everything Whittle has ever written, we would be able to safely leave registration open for hours at a time!
Oh yeah, and get Den Beste back on the stick too! (I pray for that every night, before bed.)

614 Ezekiel2517  Fri, Sep 14, 2007 12:09:44pm

re: #613 Uriah_lost

Something's wrong with Bill Whittle's site. Looks suspiciously like his host suspended the blog.

EJECTEJECTEJECT!

Probably some troofer flagged him for hate speech and the lazy sys admins banned before investigating, as has happened before with countless other blogs.

615 Mich-again  Sun, Sep 16, 2007 8:43:29pm

re: #595 missykrissy

You go girl!


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