Go Israel!

More please.

Return of the Fighting 69th!

Syria cannot be trusted with nukes any more than Iran can. Deprive them of any nuclear capabilities, for the benefit of the free world! Thank you Israel. America, now its our turn to tackle Iran.

yes, please, I LOVE it when Israel and the USA for that matter do not "show their cards".

God Bless Israel and the USA and the brave troops of both our nations.

Pretty detailed fiction for a story about an ultra top secret event that no one is talking about, very few are leaking and the Syrians say never happened.

Whatever the IAF hit - if it did hit something (and I think they did, based on Syria's reaction) - I think the stories we are seeing coming out at this late date are mostly intended to stir up public opinion against Israel and the US.

I don't know what to believe yet.

WOOT!

OT though - look this Greenspan comment bothers me. Who among the lizards can direct me to the absolutely most reasonable and sane argument that this is a war for oil. There must be a best argument at this point, but I have no idea what it is or what it looks like. Thanks in advance.

And from the Mid-East bowl:

IDF/IAF 6
Syria/Iran 0

Yeah, Team!

Yes, but:

Were Saddam's there along with NK's?

What are the ~ geiger readings?

Any source info on the radioctive mat's?

Is Nancy still proud as punch?!

I wonder why Syria's air defense went dead? Was the system overloaded by a ECM platform or what?

We denounce Israel's blatant and unprovoked attack on Syria's supply of peaceful Nuclear Weapons

/UN

What I find fascinating about this story is when the Syrian air defense network went "dead". WTF. Did Israel just pull the plug?

OT: Socialism Soup...
Venezuela cooks up soup record

Venezuelan officials claimed a world record Saturday for the world's largest pot of soup, a giant cauldron of stew prepared by President Hugo Chavez's government.
...
Addressing reporters next to the pot, Oropeza said the government is solving supply problems that have made it difficult for Venezuelans to find staples like milk and eggs in recent months. He said the state-run market had ample reserves of all products.

That's a huge crock.

It looks delicious.

Its possible that this was mainly done to test Syrian (and Iranian) air defences against US/Israeli technology.

re: #12 Idle Drifter

I wonder why Syria's Russia's vaunted air defense went dead? Was the system overloaded by a ECM platform or what?

It was either blocked by frequencies, or the old-fashioned way, o'whelming noise from A-6 Prowlers, etc.

re: #14 filetandrelease

Actually quite easy.

re: #14 filetandrelease

EMP?

In this case, I don't think it serves their case for the media to lie. Saying nuclear materiel was targeted, attacked, and destroyed near the Iraq-Syria border? Implying that Syria has nuclear materiel? That maybe the Israelis were the good guys in this matter? Somehow it doesn't make sense to me for them to lie.

re: #4 insanity police

Israel had help...

re: #12 Idle Drifter

I wonder why Syria's air defense went dead? Was the system overloaded by a ECM platform or what?

Or what is the good question. Might have been SF on the ground or it could have been good ECM. Might never know the answer to that question. If it was ECM then the Russians could have sold the Syrians a 'for export only' version of the weapon system.

I hope the story is true. And I hope Israel strikes against any real threat to its existence. And I hope I can help them someday.

re: #18 cbinflux
Apparently. Must give the Syrian/Iranian military a warm and fuzzy to know that when ever the good guys want ...

Interesting, but
I'll wait for facts.

I think they were caught red handed. If there was nothing Syria would be screaming bloody murder. Their air defenses would not have gone "dark" unless the latest counter measures were used. You don't show the latest unless it is important. It had to be a high value target.
Probably in transit to Iran.

re: #21 cbinflux

re: #4 insanity police

Israel had help...

Thanks to U.S. and Turkey too. I should give credit where it's due.

Did Israel's Syrian Airstrike Target Nuclear Cache?

No, no, no!

Syrian UN ambassador: Nothing was bombed in Syria, nothing was damaged

Nothing in Syria was bombed by the IAF, and nothing was damaged - this according to Syrian Ambassador to the United Nations Bashar Ja'afari.

Reports of such an attack are "ridiculous and not true," Army Radio reported Ja'afari as saying on Saturday. Ja'afari added that "Syria does not have North Korean nuclear facilities."

/they are not even near Baghdad!

Well, if I am in the Syrian or Iranian military, and our air defense systems goes dark, I am diving for the deepest darkest hole I can find.

re: #28 Killian Bundy

The sky is not blue, the Joos committed 9/11, and Dinnerjacket has many years left to live.

Holy jet-skiin' Jeebus, Syrian nukes? No wonder nobody's talking...

Like I said last night, you know it's really serious when the Arabs aren't whining and crying after being spanked by the Jews.

The U.S. Defense Sec. wouldn't comment about this incident on T.V. this morning. Real hush hush.

re: #31 Pawn of the Oppressor

Clear indication of a real ass kicking.

re: #17 cbinflux

re: #12 Idle Drifter

I wonder why Syria's Russia's vaunted air defense went dead? Was the system overloaded by a ECM platform or what?

It was either blocked by frequencies, or the old-fashioned way, o'whelming noise from A-6 Prowlers, etc.

I had an instructor at ITT Tech Troy, MI that was in Electronic Warfare in the Air Force. He claimed that our ECM could like you said put nothing but noise on their screens but also the amount of energy used could keep Russian radars on so the Shrike or HARM missiles could locate the targets even if the other side had switched their radar off. The HARM only needed to locate the target radar and would find it after the Radar turned off.

I don't know why...

...but I really want this to be true

Taking out the air defenses, blowing up nuke material oringinating from North Korea, and basically saying to those around, " You could be next, we are unstoppable".

It just feels good to think about.

yippidy-skippidy way to go Israel

I hope they did. I hope Iran's nuke facilities are next.

iran
Syria
North Korea -- are the AXIS OF EVIL.

(shhh - I hope I don't offend sensitive leftists).

I missed this gem:

In his blog, the Economist’s correspondent Gideon Lichfield has been mulling over whether or not “this news cycle is all part of a big conspiracy by Washington hardliners - with ex-UN ambassador John Bolton at the fore - and Israel to push the Iran-Syria-North Korea connection, with the media gullibly playing along.”

JOHN BOLTON! NEOCONS! JEWS! BUSH WANTS TO BOMB IRAN! BOOGABOOGA!

re: #25 Cognito

Interesting, but
I'll wait for facts.

Going to be waiting a long time Cognito. By the time anyone actually gets around to releasing "facts" in this case we will all be 6 feet under.

Don't know what they hit to create that "great hole in the desert" Amanpour reported (days after the fact) but it wasn't a chicken house, and Syria's all-too-mild reaction tells me that whatever it was, it was something that Syria was not supposed to have in the first place.

I suspect that the stike was not at a nuclear site at all, but of a collection of missiles.
If there had been much in the way of nuclear materails present, exploding/igniting it would have dumped it in the atmosphere and I would have been both detected and reported by now. There are a LOT of sniffing sites all around the world, including the ME, and hitting a few kilos of uranium or plutonium with an airstike would have placed enough fissile material into the air to be detected.

North Korea is a big producer of missiles. They have No Dongs, and other smaller ones. My guess is that Iran paid NK to supply Hezboallh with a whole range of short and medium range missiles. These would have to go into Leabanon via Syria (as the Lebanese coast is guarded). They would need to be worked on after the voyage, and so would have been placed in bunkers to have they system intigrated and calibrated. They would be then transshipped from Syria in to Syrian occupied Lebanon, thence to Hezbollah.

Hezboallah needs longer ranges rockets now, as the UN has a buffer zone on the boarder. I guess the IDF upset the party.

One other thing, the IDF can only use F-15i's in self defense. If they used them over Syria, they would have needed American permission.

re: #39 galloping granny

I know. But speculating on speculation doesn't amount to much; I'd rather wait until there's more to go on, and if there's never more, there's never more. C'est la vie.

It's good that the Good Guys are keeping mum. Syrian military honchos know what got hit, but how the IAF did it and how the Syrian defenses "went down" are not in my need to know area. Keep the Bad Guys guessing. My personal guess is that it had to be something really nasty for the current not-exactly-competent Israeli government to take such a step. Maybe we'll find out in a few years, after the Israel-Syria Peace Treaty is signed... (I know, I know; just sending a few positive waves, however unlikely the premise.)

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re: #39 galloping granny

And for what it's worth, hitting a store of nuclear weaponry wouldn't create a 'great hole in the desert' etc etc any more than conventional weapons. Setting off a sho'nuff nuclear weapon requires a very specific and properly ordered set of triggers.

Other folks around here know much more than I do about that, so I'll digress.

Judging by the 'went dark' comment, it sounds more like the overall power supply to the Syrian Air Defense went offline. Maybe the generators got hit. Maybe it was some type of computer virus type thing that shut down the air defenses? Maybe there was a ground attack or air strike on the power grid before the main strike on whatever was hit. If the power supply was hit, it would be interesting to see if any regions in Syria had a blackout/brownout that night. This is just speculation/wild A$% Guesses. Fun stuff to think about though.

re: #41 Cognito

re: #39 galloping granny

I know. But speculating on speculation doesn't amount to much; I'd rather wait until there's more to go on, and if there's never more, there's never more. C'est la vie.

I agree. Which is why I have been calling today's story "fiction."

re: #14 filetandrelease

What I find fascinating about this story is when the Syrian air defense network went "dead". WTF. Did Israel just pull the plug?

Yup.

... anytime, anywhere they want and Syria can't do a damn thing about it.

And what has Syria's response been? Nothing, well, besides a lot of underwear washing.

re: #44 Cognito

re: #39 galloping granny

And for what it's worth, hitting a store of nuclear weaponry wouldn't create a 'great hole in the desert' etc etc any more than conventional weapons. Setting off a sho'nuff nuclear weapon requires a very specific and properly ordered set of triggers.

Other folks around here know much more than I do about that, so I'll digress.

My chemistry degree agrees with you, but I am a medicinal chemist, not a nuclear chemist.

so, when is israel dropping a huge payload on iran? or, is bush going to do it for them? maybe he's going to wait till late 2008, as a gift to the incoming dhimmicrat moonbat.

re: #48 galloping granny

My chemistry degree agrees with you, but I am a medicinal chemist, not a nuclear chemist.

Oh, c'mon Granny. Lack of specialized knowledge never stopped anyone else from posting -- let's don't raise the bar, shall we? :)

re: #15 Killgore Trout

That's a huge crock.

It looks delicious.

You mean it didn't have this stuff in it? Darn!

re: #45 chicagodudewhotrades

Judging by the 'went dark' comment, it sounds more like the overall power supply to the Syrian Air Defense went offline. Maybe the generators got hit. Maybe it was some type of computer virus type thing that shut down the air defenses? Maybe there was a ground attack or air strike on the power grid before the main strike on whatever was hit. If the power supply was hit, it would be interesting to see if any regions in Syria had a blackout/brownout that night. This is just speculation/wild A$% Guesses. Fun stuff to think about though.

I don't think anyone would want their air defense tied to the national grid, unless they're idiots. An AAA site with Radars would have to have their own power generators to be effective. What ever hit them like many have pointed out on this thread, its probably need-to-know and we don't have need-to-know.

re: #40 DocMartyn

North Korea... They have No Dongs...

Yup, you can say that again.

/sophomoric humor

Oh, please. I expected more from LGF regarding the source of this story.

Uzi Mahnaimi, the so-called reporter of this story is liar and a wacko.
He's the one who reported that Israel had devloped an "ethnic bomb" which would kill Arabs but not Jews. it's a staple on every antisemitic web site out there.

Please Charles. Google up this jerks name and you will see all stories this guy writes are pure fiction designed to make Israel look bad.

"Well that was an accident but no one was hurt." - Tom Hagen

"Syria’s formidable air defences went dead."

"honey, did you pay the electric bill this month?"

re: #53 markx

Please don't tempt me like that...

/snicker

re: #54 MJ

Oh, please. I expected more from LGF regarding the source of this story.

Uzi Mahnaimi, the so-called reporter of this story is liar and a wacko.
He's the one who reported that Israel had devloped an "ethnic bomb" which would kill Arabs but not Jews. it's a staple on every antisemitic web site out there.

Please Charles. Google up this jerks name and you will see all stories this guy writes are pure fiction designed to make Israel look bad.

Uzi Mahnaimi and his lies about Israel

I had not heard of the reporter before. But in fairness, there are two other writers on the story besides him.

re: #54 MJ

speculation, not a lot of facts ... said Charles

and also there are three names on the by-line

why not google it yourself and share ...

I hope it's true.

O/T
StandWithUs Exposes Professors John Mearsheimer and Steven Walt's New Book "The Israel Lobby"

re: #54 MJ
But..but.., this is such a fun article for a Sunday thread. Does "rain on our parade" come to mind?

JK, actually this aritcle hardly makes Israel look bad, from where I sit.

O/T
Lots of talk about how O.J. is going to be arrested on Fox News.

This was all happening 50 miles from the Iraq border? Is it possible that any of Saddam's WMDs that 'didn't exist' were shipped from Iraq to this location in Syria? If not WMDs, then maybe materials to make WMDs?

Just askin' is all...

-LennySquiggy

O.J. arrested? What in the world could that nice man have done to warrant such racist arresting?

Say Israelis, where can we get the Testosterone enhancement drug you gave to your politicians? We have a bunch Girly-men here who need to grow a set of balls.

Gotta hope that this happened.
Israel needs to serve notice in the region that even though Lebanon was bungled that they are still the sheriff.,
I hope that this is very uncomfortable for Iran. The dream of the Islamic bomb would be a real nightmare.

re: #62 filetandrelease

Debbie Downer. LOL.

re: #54 MJ

Oh, please. I expected more from LGF regarding the source of this story.

Uzi Mahnaimi, the so-called reporter of this story is liar and a wacko.
He's the one who reported that Israel had devloped an "ethnic bomb" which would kill Arabs but not Jews. it's a staple on every antisemitic web site out there.

Please Charles. Google up this jerks name and you will see all stories this guy writes are pure fiction designed to make Israel look bad.

Couple of things:

1. I'd broaden that skepticism to include anything emerging in the British press.

2. People aren't taking his word for it. There's a lot of healthy questioning here.

3. I don't think this story makes Israel look bad. He's saying the Israelis blew up a Syrian nuclear cache. Let's like saying I broke into your neighbor's house and destroyed his stash of terrorist-funding heroin. All right, so I'm a burglar -- but what is he?

re: #65 hockeymum

O.J. arrested? What in the world could that nice man have done to warrant such racist arresting?

Say it ain't so.

Then he wouldn't be able to continue his search on the golf courses of America for Nicole's real killer.

re: #70 MarkX

re: #65 hockeymum

O.J. arrested? What in the world could that nice man have done to warrant such racist arresting?

Say it ain't so.

Then he wouldn't be able to continue his search on the golf courses of America for Nicole's real killer.

O.J. and Michael Vick can share a cell.

O/T: O.J. News conference soon (Fox).

re: #70 MarkX

Then he wouldn't be able to continue his search on the golf courses of America for Nicole's real killer.

I played golf with a guy last summer who'd recently played with OJ in Florida.

I said that very thing to him and his comment was that most of the round OJ was searching for the real killer in the trees and sand traps.
oh some of the stories I heard about the bizarre behavir on teh course.
the guy is nuts. refers to himself all day as "the juice"

hahaha...O.J.?...yes dear?...

re: #37 FrogMarch

I hope they did. I hope Iran's nuke facilities are next.

iran
Syria
North Korea -- are the AXIS OF EVIL.

(shhh - I hope I don't offend sensitive leftists).

F them if that can't take a joke.

Back in the days of the USSR, the reds never even gave their client states any top-of-the line military gear, it was always the second-tier type gear.Example: T-62's instead of T-72's -T-80's. Kilo subs instead of Alpha's, etc. Now that the soviet union is the Russian Federation has this policy changed? Now they are free-market , does the state weapons exporters sell the top-line gear to clients? Just some questions.

BTW, LVPD is about to hold a press conference on Juice getting arrested.

Can't see how this story makes Israel look bad

re: #71 insanity police

I can't believe Michael Vick saying he made a mistake - a mistake is forgetting to call, or finishing the orange juice without making more - there is no excuse for what he did

and O.J. well - it just boggles the mind

re: #74 albusteve

LOL, ...yes dear. "Good boy!"

One thing is for certain--if a spineless lib like Olmert okayed the attack, he had to figure it would help him politically. The well being of Israel and Israelis would come in as a distant second.

re: #78 hockeymum

Vick knew exactly what he was doing.

O.J. has it coming.

“We naturally cannot always show the public our cards.”

The bad guys don't have to show theirs nor are they chastised about it by organizations that want Bush's head on a pike,

Yet the good guys..how DARE we all not know their every move or WHY our leaders make it?

It's one of the reasons why I don't jump on the ripping on Bush bandwagon that has afflicted our country, we don't know for a fact why some things are done atm and boy do the people I tell that to HATE to be told that...makes me want to hand them a pacifier.

OJ UNDER ARREST! Fox confirms.

I was questioned last night by someone on here if the Israelis took out a nuclear facility--were are the Geiger readings? My gut feeling is that what was taken out was a nascent nuclear facility for either or both processing or storage of plutonium--but not yet supplied with said material! However what ever it was-the good news is that it is a hole in the ground today!

re: #73 Shug

follow up.

also on the first tee, "the juice" just likes to show up without a tee time and proceed to try to tee off claining " the juice don't wait"

re: #65 hockeymum

O.J. arrested? What in the world could that nice man have done to warrant such racist arresting?

luaP noR

re: #83 insanity police

OJ UNDER ARREST! Fox confirms.

Charges: Conspiracy and Armed Robbery

re: #85 Shug

re: #73 Shug

follow up.

also on the first tee, "the juice" just likes to show up without a tee time and proceed to try to tee off claining " the juice don't wait"

seems the the tee master would have a problem with that...maybe OJplats the par three city courses...who knows

re: #85 Shug

re: #73 Shug

follow up.

also on the first tee, "the juice" just likes to show up without a tee time and proceed to try to tee off claining " the juice don't wait"

LOL, yeah, he has important work to do on the links.

re: #50 Cognito

re: #48 galloping granny

My chemistry degree agrees with you, but I am a medicinal chemist, not a nuclear chemist.

Oh, c'mon Granny. Lack of specialized knowledge never stopped anyone else from posting -- let's don't raise the bar, shall we? :)

re: #69 cognito

re: #54 MJ

Oh, please. I expected more from LGF regarding the source of this story.

Uzi Mahnaimi, the so-called reporter of this story is liar and a wacko.
He's the one who reported that Israel had devloped an "ethnic bomb" which would kill Arabs but not Jews. it's a staple on every antisemitic web site out there.

Please Charles. Google up this jerks name and you will see all stories this guy writes are pure fiction designed to make Israel look bad.

Couple of things:

1. I'd broaden that skepticism to include anything emerging in the British press.

2. People aren't taking his word for it. There's a lot of healthy questioning here.

3. I don't think this story makes Israel look bad. He's saying the Israelis blew up a Syrian nuclear cache. Let's like saying I broke into your neighbor's house and destroyed his stash of terrorist-funding heroin. All right, so I'm a burglar -- but what is he?

Welll - there is that whole "unilateral" thing, you know. The crazy Jews and the Cowboy Americans just doing as they please and after all, these "nukes" were no more real than Sadaam's WMD and even if they were you have to let the "international community" take care of things because NOBODY could possibly be more effective than El Baradei and the UN!

/do I have to?

re: #89 MarkX

re: #85 Shug

re: #73 Shug

follow up.

also on the first tee, "the juice" just likes to show up without a tee time and proceed to try to tee off claining " the juice don't wait"

LOL, yeah, he has important work to do on the links.

he takes lots of lessons but can't seem to cure his tendency to slice

re: #78 hockeymum

re: #71 insanity police

I can't believe Michael Vick saying he made a mistake - a mistake is forgetting to call, or finishing the orange juice without making more - there is no excuse for what he did

and O.J. well - it just boggles the mind

/agreed

V's apology..or lack thereof, was surely not present in his words, body language, nor eyes. I lived with someone who was a perpetual liar for years, they really don't fool me.

His I found jesus moment was rich and as a Christian, I just shook my head at that invocation.

OJ..disgusting filthy pig. He will get his. I saw the pictures of the gruesome slayings, someone like that isn't going to live happily. All I got to say is bless the Goldman family, they have stayed on his butt every step of the way.

re: #91 Shug

re: #89 MarkX

re: #85 Shug

re: #73 Shug
follow up.

also on the first tee, "the juice" just likes to show up without a tee time and proceed to try to tee off claining " the juice don't wait"

LOL, yeah, he has important work to do on the links.

he takes lots of lessons but can't seem to cure his tendency to slice

LOL!...good one amigo!

O.J.s new prison nick, B.J.

re: #87 insanity police

re: #83 insanity police

OJ UNDER ARREST! Fox confirms.

Charges: Conspiracy and Armed Robbery

Damn, and Johnnie Cochran is dead!

I wonder if Barry Scheck is available.

re: #94 filetandrelease

O.J.s new prison nick, B.J.

yeah the juicee this time

Fox has him tried and convicted and jailed for 20 years. Wow that was fast

re: #84 nevergiveup

I was questioned last night by someone on here if the Israelis took out a nuclear facility--were are the Geiger readings? My gut feeling is that what was taken out was a nascent nuclear facility for either or both processing or storage of plutonium--but not yet supplied with said material! However what ever it was-the good news is that it is a hole in the ground today!

I am enough of a chemist to tell you that unless there is a nuclear reaction ( not the same thing as a nuke being hit with a plain old bomb) you are not going to get the kind of radiation and isotope recognition hundreds/thousands miles away that we saw in the EU with Chernobyl. A Geiger counter at the scene - if anybody knew where it actually was - might show something, but since nobody is even acknowledging that such an incident happened, who knows were you might get a reading. And on top of that, Syria has a naturally high background radiation. Low levels from something else might go undetected.

Excuse me, but OJ is so 90s.
Israel blasting Syrian nukes seriously entertaining.
Not to mention significant.

I find more plausible as reported by the Jerusalem post, that there was a handoff of arms to Hezbollah from Iran that was targeted.

Perhaps now we get to OJ in the can.

re: #98 galloping granny

Where does Syria get high natural background radiation?

re: #100 zeir

I agree. What is the story on how they jam their radar made from russian.

Oh no, another Debbie Downer. LOL

This was supposed to be a devastating Syrian surprise for Israel,” said an Israeli source. “We’ve known for a long time that Syria has deadly chemical warheads on its Scuds, but Israel can’t live with a nuclear warhead.”

Why is the world not outraged that Syria has all these weapons of mass destruction given their rhetoric and support of terrorists groups?

I think the juice might have to learn to wait ...

but we are way OT and it is a beautiful day so off to enjoy it

From the Pajamas Media story:

Another tantalizing hint that the Sept. 7 raid wasn’t a run-of-the-mill attack was provided when a Kuwaiti newspaper ran a story claiming that Turkey provided assistance with the attack.

Al-Jarida reported that “Turkey provided Israel with intelligence on Syria prior to last week’s alleged IAF flyover into the country, Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Jarida , playing a central role in delivering precise information regarding targets in Syria that were to be hit by Israeli planes and that the Turkish army authorized Israel to use its airspace in order to carry out the operation, and that all of this occurred without the knowledge of the Turkish Prime Minister.

JPost added this detail:

The Israeli and Turkish armies share a strong relationship that has been felt through several joint exercises and weapons sales.

On Saturday, an unnamed Turkish official demanded explanations from Israel after fuel tanks allegedly dropped by Israel F-15I planes who were conducting a foray into Syrian airspace, were found on the Turkish-Syrian border.

Turkish paper Hurriyet reported that Turkey was demanding whether the Israeli planes also passed over its own airspace.

BaconEatingKaffir -- y'out there? Thoughts?

re: #101 Perplexed

Perhaps now we get to OJ in the can.

Sort of like Prince Albert?

re: #102 Macker

re: #98 galloping granny

Where does Syria get high natural background radiation?

It is due to the particular makeup of the geography - the rocks and such. You see this in other areas of the world too - like out near our Grand Canyon.

re: #105 Outrider

This was supposed to be a devastating Syrian surprise for Israel,” said an Israeli source. “We’ve known for a long time that Syria has deadly chemical warheads on its Scuds, but Israel can’t live with a nuclear warhead.”

Why is the world not outraged that Syria has all these weapons of mass destruction given their rhetoric and support of terrorists groups?

I think that simple exercise in rational is too complex for the rest of the world...waaay too ah...nuanced

re: #108 lucius septimius

re: #101 Perplexed

Perhaps now we get to OJ in the can.

Sort of like Prince Albert?

Yes, but he'll be both orange and frozen.

re: #28 Killian Bundy

haha that makes me remember the Baghdad "Misinformation Minister" Bob.

What a hoot!

the important questio to consider is where is kato kaolin and what does he know ?

Oh know, better free O.J. he's a 100% NOT GUILTY man who is a victim of the oppression of the Fascist United States . O.J. is a victim like poor Rodney King.

List of the innocent:

O.J.
Rodney King
Clinton
Sandy Burglar
Barney Frank
Mel Reynolds
Gary Condit
Jim McGreevey
Tookie Williams
Kevin Cooper
Arafat
All of the supposed hijackers from 9/11 (Bush controlled the planes with remote control)

/moonbat

re: #113 Shug

the important questio to consider is where is kato kaolin and what does he know ?

he probably knows alot...he was OJ's bitch there for awhile...
(man that was rude)

re: #76 chicagodudewhotrades

Back in the days of the USSR, the reds never even gave their client states any top-of-the line military gear, it was always the second-tier type gear.Example: T-62's instead of T-72's -T-80's. Kilo subs instead of Alpha's, etc. Now that the soviet union is the Russian Federation has this policy changed? Now they are free-market , does the state weapons exporters sell the top-line gear to clients? Just some questions.

I think the answer is basically, yes ... for a price.

Think of it as beta-testing.

But as good capitalists, the ruskies will happily unload dated crap much more cheaply, ... and unfortunately, some of their small weapons even from the 1980s and 1990s are pretty good, for terrorists. Of course none of the Arabs seems able to handle anything complex for which we should all be grateful.

re: #98 galloping granny

re: #84 nevergiveup

I was questioned last night by someone on here if the Israelis took out a nuclear facility--were are the Geiger readings? My gut feeling is that what was taken out was a nascent nuclear facility for either or both processing or storage of plutonium--but not yet supplied with said material! However what ever it was-the good news is that it is a hole in the ground today!

I am enough of a chemist to tell you that unless there is a nuclear reaction ( not the same thing as a nuke being hit with a plain old bomb) you are not going to get the kind of radiation and isotope recognition hundreds/thousands miles away that we saw in the EU with Chernobyl. A Geiger counter at the scene - if anybody knew where it actually was - might show something, but since nobody is even acknowledging that such an incident happened, who knows were you might get a reading. And on top of that, Syria has a naturally high background radiation. Low levels from something else might go undetected.

Sounds good to me. I was much better in organic then inorganic chem in college anyway.

If this report is true, I am completely offended and infuriated with Israelis actions.

Syria has a universal human right to possess nuclear weapons and point them at Israel while threatening to murder 6 million + people. This is a human right...a right of all the Arab beoples to destroy Israel and the Zionists have no self preservation right to frustrate our goals.

/

re: #114 kreigwagon

I recoginize all the names on that list except 1: who is kevin cooper?

I am not an expert in the world of golf but is not O.J. known as "SLICE"?

French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said on Sunday.
War Plans
Report: US wants war with Iran / Ynet
Senior intelligence source tells Sunday Telegraph most defense officials believe diplomacy failing, White House likely fine-tuning escalation program to lead to military confrontation with Iran
Full Story
"We have to prepare for the worst, and the worst is war," he said

Kouchner added France had advised its large companies not to respond to tenders in Iran

re: #114 kreigwagon

* women
* children
* minorities
* savages
* everyone in jail

Who am I ?

What if they redeployed those F-15 I's to an advanced FOB closer to Iran and the only reason anything broke in the media was because of the expended empty drop tanks that landed in Turkey ?

..maybe not.
Just want to stir the pot

re: #121 akak

French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said on Sunday.
War Plans
Report: US wants war with Iran / Ynet
Senior intelligence source tells Sunday Telegraph most defense officials believe diplomacy failing, White House likely fine-tuning escalation program to lead to military confrontation with Iran
Full Story
"We have to prepare for the worst, and the worst is war," he said

Kouchner added France had advised its large companies not to respond to tenders in Iran

Well now. The French are passing up the opportunity to add money to their faltering economy? Things must be serious.

Of course, they might have been much less serious if the French had been more supportive of more concerted efforts to halt Iran's nuke program in the first place.

re: #109 galloping granny
High levels of background radiation, like radon gas, merely serve to prove that the international zionist conspiracy is alive and well and aiming to commit genocide on our peaceful arab brethren.
Monbat mode off.

re: #102 Macker

re: #98 galloping granny

Where does Syria get high natural background radiation?

In my little time working in the oil field services, one of our sensors we used measured Gama radiation in the earth to help steer the drill string towards oil sand and avoid shale formations which shows up on our sensors as "high" Gama. Can any lizard geologists back me up?

And there is a problem with this how?

One point that people seem to be missing is that this sounds like a preliminary raid on the way to a fullscale attack on Iran. After the success of this raid, if I were the Iranians I'd be peeing in my pants about now.

re: #65 hockeymum

O.J. arrested? What in the world could that nice man have done to warrant such racist arresting?

Don't forget the Jenna 6 down in LA, 6 poor urbanites victimized after a honky continually slammed his face and body into their fists and feet.

/Can't we all just get along?

re: #124 Airedale

What if they redeployed those F-15 I's to an advanced FOB closer to Iran and the only reason anything broke in the media was because of the expended empty drop tanks that landed in Turkey ?

..maybe not.
Just want to stir the pot

forgot my link

nothing happened that day
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

re: #119 chicagodudewhotrades

re: #114 kreigwagon

I recoginize all the names on that list except 1: who is kevin cooper?

Escaped prison inmate from Chino's Men's prison a minimum security lock up. IIRC, he killed a dentist, his wife, and two of his children. One son survived and identified him as the killer and was set for execution but got a stay. He too is a victim of racial discrimination.

re: #120 kreigwagon

I am not an expert in the world of golf but is not O.J. known as "SLICE"?

somebody beat me to it...

It wasn't a nuke plant. It was a chemical weapons plant.

The American moonbat media has been trying to turn this into another imaginary Bush-Rove-Cheney-neocon conspiracy. Don't believe it.

re: #132 kreigwagon

re: #119 chicagodudewhotrades

re: #114 kreigwagon

I recoginize all the names on that list except 1: who is kevin cooper?

Escaped prison inmate from Chino's Men's prison a minimum security lock up. IIRC, he killed a dentist, his wife, and two of his children. One son survived and identified him as the killer and was set for execution but got a stay. He too is a victim of racial discrimination.

Well being a dentist, I can testify that most dentists I know probably deserved that fate! There are days some of us might even welcome it!

I question the timing.

A Haaretz reader has speculated that this may have been the target:

[Link: maps.google.com...]

What we know for sure is that if anything was hit then there is no propaganda value to the Syrians in showing it - because they have yet to invite the world's press to see for themselves

re: #135 Nevergiveup

re: #132 kreigwagon

re: #119 chicagodudewhotrades

re: #114 kreigwagon

I recoginize all the names on that list except 1: who is kevin cooper?

Escaped prison inmate from Chino's Men's prison a minimum security lock up. IIRC, he killed a dentist, his wife, and two of his children. One son survived and identified him as the killer and was set for execution but got a stay. He too is a victim of racial discrimination.

Well being a dentist, I can testify that most dentists I know probably deserved that fate! There are days some of us might even welcome it!

Hey, I like my dentist :)

The American moonbat media has been trying to turn this into another imaginary Bush-Rove-Cheney-neocon conspiracy. Don't believe it.

Now that i believe

re: #138 kreigwagon

re: #135 Nevergiveup

re: #132 kreigwagon

re: #119 chicagodudewhotrades

re: #114 kreigwagon

I recoginize all the names on that list except 1: who is kevin cooper?

Escaped prison inmate from Chino's Men's prison a minimum security lock up. IIRC, he killed a dentist, his wife, and two of his children. One son survived and identified him as the killer and was set for execution but got a stay. He too is a victim of racial discrimination.

Well being a dentist, I can testify that most dentists I know probably deserved that fate! There are days some of us might even welcome it!

Hey, I like my dentist :)

is that you dad?

Even forgetting the WMD that sadaam had, what happened to all the SCUD missile launchers he had? Were they evac'd to Syria?

re: #135 Nevergiveup

re: #132 kreigwagon

re: #119 chicagodudewhotrades

re: #114 kreigwagon

I recoginize all the names on that list except 1: who is kevin cooper?

Escaped prison inmate from Chino's Men's prison a minimum security lock up. IIRC, he killed a dentist, his wife, and two of his children. One son survived and identified him as the killer and was set for execution but got a stay. He too is a victim of racial discrimination.

Well being a dentist, I can testify that most dentists I know probably deserved that fate! There are days some of us might even welcome it!

that sounds ominous...my son is becoming a dentist...should I worry?

Whatever Israel targeted, sounds like it was a complete success; as usual.

re: #142 albusteve

re: #135 Nevergiveup

re: #132 kreigwagon

re: #119 chicagodudewhotrades

re: #114 kreigwagonI recoginize all the names on that list except 1: who is kevin cooper?

Escaped prison inmate from Chino's Men's prison a minimum security lock up. IIRC, he killed a dentist, his wife, and two of his children. One son survived and identified him as the killer and was set for execution but got a stay. He too is a victim of racial discrimination.

Well being a dentist, I can testify that most dentists I know probably deserved that fate! There are days some of us might even welcome it!

that sounds ominous...my son is becoming a dentist...should I worry?

Nay--but i would lock my bedroom door at night and hide the sharp knives!

re: #135 Nevergiveup

One question: Is it safe?

BTW, I received my monthly Zionist check yesterday. I received a bonus too! ;) Took the wife out on a date last night.

/poor Koslings, they're just envious that we get PAID

re: #145 grumpy old codger

re: #135 Nevergiveup

One question: Is it safe?

yes as long as you know the password--its " swordfish "

Re #107 Lucius Septimius

"Al-Jarida reported that “Turkey provided Israel with intelligence on Syria prior to last week’s alleged IAF flyover into the country, Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Jarida , playing a central role in delivering precise information regarding targets in Syria that were to be hit by Israeli planes and that the Turkish army authorized Israel to use its airspace in order to carry out the operation, and that all of this occurred without the knowledge of the Turkish Prime Minister.

JPost added this detail:

The Israeli and Turkish armies share a strong relationship that has been felt through several joint exercises and weapons sales.
On Saturday, an unnamed Turkish official demanded explanations from Israel after fuel tanks allegedly dropped by Israel F-15I planes who were conducting a foray into Syrian airspace, were found on the Turkish-Syrian border."

THAT is really interesting considering that the Turkish Army is the bastion of a secular state following the recent elections in Turkey. If it is true it means there is hope for Turkish resistance to an Islamic State.

re: #144 Nevergiveup

re: #142 albusteve

re: #135 Nevergiveup

re: #132 kreigwagon

re: #119 chicagodudewhotrades

re: #114 kreigwagonI recoginize all the names on that list except 1: who is kevin cooper?

Escaped prison inmate from Chino's Men's prison a minimum security lock up. IIRC, he killed a dentist, his wife, and two of his children. One son survived and identified him as the killer and was set for execution but got a stay. He too is a victim of racial discrimination.

Well being a dentist, I can testify that most dentists I know probably deserved that fate! There are days some of us might even welcome it!

that sounds ominous...my son is becoming a dentist...should I worry?

Nay--but i would lock my bedroom door at night and hide the sharp knives!

wtf?...I sleep with a Rem 12ga 870...whats that got to do with it?...are dentists monsters or what?

re: #100 zeir

I find more plausible as reported by the Jerusalem post, that there was a handoff of arms to Hezbollah from Iran that was targeted.

I believe the Shaldig team could have dealt with a weapons shipment quite easily and extracted themselves. A team on the ground would avoid a public relations problem and provide deniability when the arms shipment went boom. A 100% destruction rate wouldn't be required to destroy the effectiveness of the arms shipment.
A country would want a 100% success rate when dealing with taking out a nuke plant or nuclear material as you would only have one chance to conduct a raid. There is no chance of deniability, but with nukes the citizens would not care. However, using this type of force (air platforms-outside country) to destroy a routine arms shipment, which have occurred in the past, would be squandering your militarys' chances of conducting future raids for more pressing exigencies.

re: #149 albusteve

Burma Shave

#13 Shug 9/16/07 10:48:15 am 1

We denounce Israel's blatant and unprovoked attack on Syria's supply of peaceful Nuclear Weapons

/UN

We further denounce Israel's blatant attempt to destabilize the region by denying nuclear weapons to those who would use them for a first stike and who have shown no restraint. We cannot discriminate based on race. If Israel has the right to possess nuclear weapons for defensive reasons, then our Arab allies have the right to possess nuclear weapons for their own first strike when they feel they have been offended by the bigots.

/Further UN elaboration regarding Israel's persistent refusal to not be pushed into the sea stemming from their racism against Muslims.

re: #149 albusteve

re: #144 Nevergiveup

re: #142 albusteve

re: #135 Nevergiveup

re: #132 kreigwagon

re: #119 chicagodudewhotrades

re: #114 kreigwagonI recoginize all the names on that list except 1: who is kevin cooper?

Escaped prison inmate from Chino's Men's prison a minimum security lock up. IIRC, he killed a dentist, his wife, and two of his children. One son survived and identified him as the killer and was set for execution but got a stay. He too is a victim of racial discrimination.

Well being a dentist, I can testify that most dentists I know probably deserved that fate! There are days some of us might even welcome it!

that sounds ominous...my son is becoming a dentist...should I worry?

Nay--but i would lock my bedroom door at night and hide the sharp knives!

wtf?...I sleep with a Rem 12ga 870...whats that got to do with it?...are dentists monsters or what?

Haven't you heard we are all suicidal!--That is why i am trying to give it all up to go active duty.

re: #151 albusteve

re: #149 albusteve

Burma Shave

Appropriate to all 5th level and greater embeds without editing.

re: #153 Nevergiveup

you just need a 'richer' life...open a 'Fillings-R-Us' and franchise it...get a boat...hit the islands and chill...

re: #155 albusteve

re: #153 Nevergiveup

you just need a 'richer' life...open a 'Fillings-R-Us' and franchise it...get a boat...hit the islands and chill...

Your right--the boat i am looking to get is the RONIE REGAN

Whatever was hit, nobody is talking. Leave it that way. As to the French FM telling his companies to No Bid Iranian contracts, perhaps our Russian friends will get the message too.

-S-

re: #137 Shemesh

I spent some time looking at the Google Map picture. I'm not a expert but that somewhat looks like a civilian oil refinery. It looks like there is a earthen berm surrounding the place, But i didn't see any SAM sites
or even some type of checkpoint/guard post on the road leading to the place. I know a few lizards have oil industry experience, any thoughts if that is a refinery?

re: #137 Shemesh

What we know for sure is that if anything was hit then there is no propaganda value to the Syrians in showing it - because they have yet to invite the world's press to see for themselves

It would seem to be the opposite as they seem to be refraining from making their usual blustery rhetoric and threats.

re: #153 Nevergiveup

re: #149 albusteve

re: #144 Nevergiveup

re: #142 albusteve

re: #135 Nevergiveup

re: #132 kreigwagon

re: #119 chicagodudewhotrades

re: #114 kreigwagonI recoginize all the names on that list except 1: who is kevin cooper?

Escaped prison inmate from Chino's Men's prison a minimum security lock up. IIRC, he killed a dentist, his wife, and two of his children. One son survived and identified him as the killer and was set for execution but got a stay. He too is a victim of racial discrimination.

Well being a dentist, I can testify that most dentists I know probably deserved that fate! There are days some of us might even welcome it!

that sounds ominous...my son is becoming a dentist...should I worry?

Nay--but i would lock my bedroom door at night and hide the sharp knives!

wtf?...I sleep with a Rem 12ga 870...whats that got to do with it?...are dentists monsters or what?

Haven't you heard we are all suicidal!--That is why i am trying to give it all up to go active duty.

Well my dentist is an amateur archaeologist who has been to Egypt several times and has freely given his time to going to schools to show 6 graders his "finds". Let's put it his way, I take care of myself and usually go every six months or so for a cleaning. The dental chairs have gotten so comfortable that I usually fall asleep in the chair during the cleaning.

re: #153 Nevergiveup

re: #149 albusteve

re: #144 Nevergiveup

re: #142 albusteve

re: #135 Nevergiveup

re: #132 kreigwagon

re: #119 chicagodudewhotrades

re: #114 kreigwagonI recoginize all the names on that list except 1: who is kevin cooper?

Escaped prison inmate from Chino's Men's prison a minimum security lock up. IIRC, he killed a dentist, his wife, and two of his children. One son survived and identified him as the killer and was set for execution but got a stay. He too is a victim of racial discrimination.

Well being a dentist, I can testify that most dentists I know probably deserved that fate! There are days some of us might even welcome it!

that sounds ominous...my son is becoming a dentist...should I worry?

Nay--but i would lock my bedroom door at night and hide the sharp knives!

wtf?...I sleep with a Rem 12ga 870...whats that got to do with it?...are dentists monsters or what?

Haven't you heard we are all suicidal!--That is why i am trying to give it all up to go active duty.

I for one agree

re: #61 insanity police

O/T
StandWithUs Exposes Professors John Mearsheimer and Steven Walt's New Book "The Israel Lobby"

If they felt there was no need for a 'special' US-Isreal relationship they should've penned a book addressing that. At least that could have been an academic vehicle for debate.

Instead they chose to raise the old canard about the evil Machiavellian Jooos as the principle focal point of their book and previous abominable essay.

But hey, $20 million bux from Lord Awlaweed Al Saud
to finance "Islamic studies" (a.k.a. how to destroy the West from within) would cause any Jew-despising professor to have this reaction.

They deserve what they get.

re: #158 chicagodudewhotrades

let's ask Mi...

re: #156 Nevergiveup

re: #155 albusteve

re: #153 Nevergiveup

you just need a 'richer' life...open a 'Fillings-R-Us' and franchise it...get a boat...hit the islands and chill...

Your right--the boat i am looking to get is the RONIE REGAN

when a boat changes owners you can rechristen it...how about the 'Fallen Wall'...hahaha

Answering the conspiracy theorists on Syria

re: #160 kreigwagon

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re: #166 cbinflux

re: #160 kreigwagon

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#158 chicagodudewhotrades 9/16/07 12:08:13 pm reply quote

I spent some time looking at the Google Map picture. I'm not a expert but that somewhat looks like a civilian oil refinery. It looks like there is a earthen berm surrounding the place, But i didn't see any SAM sites
or even some type of checkpoint/guard post on the road leading to the place. I know a few lizards have oil industry experience, any thoughts if that is a refinery?

Did you get my e-mail?

re: #143 Live4Truth

Whatever Israel targeted, sounds like it was a complete success; as usual.

If a bombing leaves e'thing unrecognizable, call it a success.

re: #167 kreigwagon

? No intende.

re: #168 AirForceWife

Checking right now

re: #40 DocMartyn
North Korea. They have No Dongs, and other smaller ones.

With a slight omission of your words.

re: #134 Carl in Jerusalem

It wasn't a nuke plant. It was a chemical weapons plant.

The American moonbat media has been trying to turn this into another imaginary Bush-Rove-Cheney-neocon conspiracy. Don't believe it.

Interesting blast from the LGF past
May , 2004

Syrians Killed in North Korean Train Blast
Sat, May 15, 2004 at 1:25:24 pm PST

Remember the gigantic train explosion in North Korea last month? NK blamed it on ammonium nitrate fertilizer at the time.

But here’s a very interesting report from Tokyo Sankei Shimbun that says as many as 10 Syrian “technicians” were killed in the blast—in the area of the train where the damage was the most serious: ‘Source’ Notes Syrian Technicians Killed in Yongch’on Train Explosion Incident. (Hat tip: Bubbaman.)

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: groups.yahoo.com...]

Thought at the time it may have been Saddams WMD being moved into N Korea for safe keeping

For sure the IAF hit something substantial. Why else would Norkie Pig (aka Kim Jung Very Ill) get all worked up?
YAY IAF! We love you guys!

OT/ Arresting OJ? What? This is outright OJphobia! Where are the ACLU and HRW when you need them?
/sarc

re: #172 SnakeSpit

re: #40 DocMartyn
North Korea. They have No Dongs, and other smaller ones.

With a slight omission of your words.

No Dong Chong was a notorius tranny double agent...chopped by the norks and 'turned' by the ROK...

re: #158 chicagodudewhotrades

re: #137 Shemesh

I spent some time looking at the Google Map picture. I'm not a expert but that somewhat looks like a civilian oil refinery. It looks like there is a earthen berm surrounding the place, But i didn't see any SAM sites
or even some type of checkpoint/guard post on the road leading to the place. I know a few lizards have oil industry experience, any thoughts if that is a refinery?

I'm no expert either, so would welcome the thoughts of fellow lizards on this.

The link Carl in Jerusalem provided also has other possibilities:

[Link: maps.google.com...]

[Link: maps.google.com...]

[Link: maps.google.com...]

[Link: maps.google.com...]

shock and awe

#174 ashan 9/16/07 12:17:04 pm reply quote report 0

For sure the IAF hit something substantial. Why else would Norkie Pig (aka Kim Jung Very Ill) get all worked up?
YAY IAF! We love you guys!

IAF...doing the job that U.S. foreign policy makers won't let Americans do.

OT/ Arresting OJ? What? This is outright OJphobia! Where are the ACLU and HRW when you need them?
/sarc

I don't know but I do my personal best to help fight the ACLU by giving money to every legal group opposing them in the courts. The ACLU can be stretched too thin just like any organization can. They've got a lot of money but it's not unlimited.

re: #150 Outrider

re: #100 zeir

I find more plausible as reported by the Jerusalem post, that there was a handoff of arms to Hezbollah from Iran that was targeted.

I believe the Shaldig team could have dealt with a weapons shipment quite easily and extracted themselves. A team on the ground would avoid a public relations problem and provide deniability when the arms shipment went boom. A 100% destruction rate wouldn't be required to destroy the effectiveness of the arms shipment.
A country would want a 100% success rate when dealing with taking out a nuke plant or nuclear material as you would only have one chance to conduct a raid. There is no chance of deniability, but with nukes the citizens would not care. However, using this type of force (air platforms-outside country) to destroy a routine arms shipment, which have occurred in the past, would be squandering your militarys' chances of conducting future raids for more pressing exigencies.

It's worse than that.

Israel has allowed hundreds of arms shipments to reach Hezbullah from Syria. If this were just an arms shipment, why the sudden change in policy?

Another blast from the past
Jan, 2004;
Syria a State of Terror

senior Syrian journalist reports Iraq WMD located in three Syrian sites
06 January, 2004

[Link: www.2la.org...]

[Link: www.2la.org...]

Saddam of Iraq vs Asad of Syria

[Link: www.2la.org...]

re: #173 Airedale

re: #134 Carl in Jerusalem

It wasn't a nuke plant. It was a chemical weapons plant.

The American moonbat media has been trying to turn this into another imaginary Bush-Rove-Cheney-neocon conspiracy. Don't believe it.

Interesting blast from the LGF past
May , 2004

Syrians Killed in North Korean Train Blast
Sat, May 15, 2004 at 1:25:24 pm PST

Remember the gigantic train explosion in North Korea last month? NK blamed it on ammonium nitrate fertilizer at the time.

But here’s a very interesting report from Tokyo Sankei Shimbun that says as many as 10 Syrian “technicians” were killed in the blast—in the area of the train where the damage was the most serious: ‘Source’ Notes Syrian Technicians Killed in Yongch’on Train Explosion Incident. (Hat tip: Bubbaman.)

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: groups.yahoo.com...]

Thought at the time it may have been Saddams WMD being moved into N Korea for safe keeping

That's interesting.

My argument on this from Day One has been that it can't be a Hezbullah arms shipment because we've let too many of those pass already, but it can't be nukes because the Syrians wouldn't know what to do with them and cannot afford them and don't need them.

The Syrians have lots of chemical weapons already. But the North Koreans are much more advanced in that department.

Pity. Carl's wrong this time. The hit was doubtless nuke-related. Syrian biological and chemical WMD are well known (and documented), but nukes would put the Syrians crossing a very thick red line - something the Israelis could never tolerate.

re: #171 chicagodudewhotrades

AFW, Just sent a reply to your email. The short is answer is: Yes. spread the word.

re: #179 Carl in Jerusalem

It's worse than that.
Israel has allowed hundreds of arms shipments to reach Hezbullah from Syria. If this were just an arms shipment, why the sudden change in policy?

I don't believe it was an arms shipment. Israel wouldn't squander a military strike with potential for enormous public relations backlash on a routine arms shipment. I believe, with NorKor insertion into MidEast politics that it was probably nuclear related, given the Chinless One seems to have chemical production worked out.

Besides, isn't the UN by way of French Forces supposed to be stopping these shipments? I know, stupid question. /

#177 scalleywag 9/16/07 12:21:44 pm reply quote report 0

shock and awe
[Link: video.google.com...]

What a jackass that Chirac was/is. Has anybody ever really believed that a country like Iraq, Iran, N. Korea or Syria is going to come out and state that the reason they want nuclear technology is to build weapons? Is it really so surprising that they would say they want it for energy in order to not be opposed?

re: #182 ashan

Pity. Carl's wrong this time. The hit was doubtless nuke-related. Syrian biological and chemical WMD are well known (and documented), but nukes would put the Syrians crossing a very thick red line - something the Israelis could never tolerate.

If it's nuke related, where's the fallout? Why wasn't the explosion powerful enough to show up on anyone's radar before the Syrians complained about having shot at Israeli planes?

I've gotta get off for awhile. If I read OJ one more time I'm gonna puke. I hope everyone here will finally realize that joining in on the MSM feeding frenzy only gives that bastard what he wants. ATTENTION

I refuse to join in on this crap.

re: #186 Carl in Jerusalem

re: #182 ashan

Pity. Carl's wrong this time. The hit was doubtless nuke-related. Syrian biological and chemical WMD are well known (and documented), but nukes would put the Syrians crossing a very thick red line - something the Israelis could never tolerate.

If it's nuke related, where's the fallout? Why wasn't the explosion powerful enough to show up on anyone's radar before the Syrians complained about having shot at Israeli planes?

And by the way, what are the Syrians going to use to shoot nukes? Scud C's?

re: #49 blame canada

so, when is israel dropping a huge payload on iran? or, is bush going to do it for them? maybe he's going to wait till late 2008, as a gift to the incoming dhimmicrat moonbat.

That would be telling, Number 6.

interesting thinking going on here. I tend to agree that it had to hav been something unusual for Israel to mount a mission like this. And I find the arguments against each target type reasonable convincing also.

So, what's up with this?

What if the target was not thing(s) but person(s)? Targeted assasination? A very high value target visiting whatever kind of plant it was?

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re: #171 chicagodudewhotrades

AFW, Just sent a reply to your email. The short is answer is: Yes. spread the word.

Just finished reading it. I'm going to try to go to the lounge tonight for a while. The two other lizards I have seen postings that are interested in getting together this week-end are bethoven and Comquimbojoe but if there any others out there in the Vegas area, let us know so we can coordinate a time.

re: #185 AirForceWife

they're under the same threat now, I hope Israel sends the same message.

re: #19 Killgore Trout

re: #14 filetandrelease

EMP?

EMP? EMP is a by-product of a nuclear explosion. Obviously, there was no nuclear explosion over Syria. What was used was ECM - Electronic Countermeasures. In other words, the US/Israel have "figured out" the latest Russian anti-aircraft battery radars - without having to resort to EMP (nuclear explosions).

Be that as it may, the fact Israeli jet fighters saunter into Syria unopposed (because Iraqi radar sites "went dead") does not bode well for Iran.

re: #61 insanity police

O/T
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My bad! See correction below:

My re: #193 alwyr

re: #19 Killgore Trout

re: #14 filetandrelease

EMP?

EMP? EMP is a by-product of a nuclear explosion. Obviously, there was no nuclear explosion over Syria. What was used was ECM - Electronic Countermeasures. In other words, the US/Israel have "figured out" the latest Russian anti-aircraft battery radars - without having to resort to EMP (nuclear explosions).

Be that as it may, the fact Israeli jet fighters saunter into Syria unopposed (because Iraqi Syrian radar sites "went dead") does not bode well for Iran.

re: #183 chicagodudewhotrades

re: #171 chicagodudewhotrades

AFW, Just sent a reply to your email. The short is answer is: Yes. spread the word.

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re: #186 Carl in Jerusalem

If it's nuke related, where's the fallout? Why wasn't the explosion powerful enough to show up on anyone's radar before the Syrians complained about having shot at Israeli planes?

Why would there be a nuke explosion?

Maybe this is why the North Koreans reconsidered their nuclear program. Syria already paid them for a better replacement.

re: #193 alwyr

re: #19 Killgore Trout

re: #14 filetandrelease

EMP?

EMP? EMP is a by-product of a nuclear explosion. Obviously, there was no nuclear explosion over Syria. What was used was ECM - Electronic Countermeasures. In other words, the US/Israel have "figured out" the latest Russian anti-aircraft battery radars - without having to resort to EMP (nuclear explosions).

Be that as it may, the fact Israeli jet fighters saunter into Syria unopposed (because Iraqi radar sites "went dead") does not bode well for Iran.

Don't WE control Iraqi radar sites? And wouldn't we only tell Syria what we want Syria to know from whatever we glean from Iraqi radar sites?

I found it interesting that the Soviet foreign minister apparently warned Syria that Israel was going to strike but told them it was going to be in the Golan Heights. Now the question is did Israel dupe the Soviets into providing faulty intelligence in order to catch Syria off-guard? Were the Soviets simply wrong (again)? Or did the Soviets do this intentionally because a nuclear Syria/Hezbollah was more then even they could stomach. And if it is the latter, did they let Israel know how "backdoor" the Soviet build air-defense systems?

#49 blame canada 9/16/07 11:06:20 am reply quote report 0

so, when is israel dropping a huge payload on iran? or, is bush going to do it for them? maybe he's going to wait till late 2008, as a gift to the incoming dhimmicrat moonbat.

The dimmicrats want Pres. Bush to stop as many threats to our natl security as he possibly can so they won't have to by the time they come in. That way, they can spend the next 4-8 years spending money on social programs and foreign aid while ranting about how Pres. Bush and the Republicans made our country less safe. Just in case we do get attacked while a Democrat is in the WH, they've already started making excused as to why it won't be their fault. As for all the corporate corruption scandals that will occur on their watch...well, it will be because of the "culture of corruption" that Pres. Bush and the republicans fostered.

re: #190 grayp

What if the target was not thing(s) but person(s)? Targeted assasination? A very high value target visiting whatever kind of plant it was?

Interesting idea. But a team on the ground could have done that much easier. The Israelis are second to none on that type mission. A far as I can recall, they only have the one failure in Norway.

re: #197 Outrider

re: #186 Carl in Jerusalem

If it's nuke related, where's the fallout? Why wasn't the explosion powerful enough to show up on anyone's radar before the Syrians complained about having shot at Israeli planes?

Why would there be a nuke explosion?

I know Syria doesn't want to make a big deal out of the whole thing. Not like them. Seems the world would love to jump on Israel for "killing innocent civilians...have the media in for the video to be shown around the world and condemn them for attacking innocent civilians...
Syria wants to remain mum on the area. nobody is going to get an up close look

#196 ErislDysnomia 9/16/07 12:49:52 pm reply quote report 0

re: #183 chicagodudewhotrades

re: #171 chicagodudewhotrades

AFW, Just sent a reply to your email. The short is answer is: Yes. spread the word.

Do tell!

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re: #204 AirForceWife

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re: #203 Airedale

Syria wants to remain mum on the area. nobody is going to get an up close look

And that is the interesting part. Why are they not being their usual bombastic selves? Short answer? They have something to conceal. Something that has a larger negative impact on Syria than the positive impact for Syria of propaganda against Israel. It can't be a normal arms shipment to Hezbollah, as it isn't exactly a secret the Syrians have been providing arms. Their arms columns have been attacked before and they even had the French lodge a protest against the Israelis firing on one of the columns.
Whatever. It was certainly a god dry run for the Iranian plant at Natantz.

Gallopping Granny #199:

"Don't WE control Iraqi radar sites? And wouldn't we only tell Syria what we want Syria to know from whatever we glean from Iraqi radar sites?"

Granny: Please read my correction (written before your post) that Israeli jets were able to counter Syrian (not Iraqi) radar sites with apparent ease. However, Granny, the fact remains, this sortie was accomplished without the use of nuclear explosions (EMP).

Are we agreed?

re: #202 Outrider

But a team on the ground could have done that much easier.

That's what I thought when the idea first came to mind. But if the site is indeed a chem plant or such, it could be very hard to get a team in there.

excuse some of the p.c. crap but interesting vedio none the less

#197 - Outride - Exactamundo!
Nuke components don't cause fallout. There were reports of an enormous crater, or several of them. The loud Nork reaction, Israel's swift move, complete Arab silence and the obvious discomfort of the Iranians gives the nuke side of the reason greater credibility.

re: #63 insanity police

*cough* *cough* :)

Can spmeone post the coordinates of this so I can find it on Google Earth?

Watch for a bunch of preemptive bluster from Iran. Syria's air defenses are newer (better) but of the same model of those protecting Iran. If I was in charge of Iran I would think this to be a very negative development. If Syria can't prevent Israel from carrying out successful air operations on targets in their country, what chance has Iran against the US? An offensive of rhetoric is about their only hope at this point. Maybe a diversionary crisis will be manufactured. A bunch of posturing as victims needing the protection of world opinion. A lot of praying to Allah. Hope it doesn't work...

re: #213 GreenDroll

Watch for a bunch of preemptive bluster from Iran. Syria's air defenses are newer (better) but of the same model of those protecting Iran. If I was in charge of Iran I would think this to be a very negative development. If Syria can't prevent Israel from carrying out successful air operations on targets in their country, what chance has Iran against the US? An offensive of rhetoric is about their only hope at this point. Maybe a diversionary crisis will be manufactured. A bunch of posturing as victims needing the protection of world opinion. A lot of praying to Allah. Hope it doesn't work...

Delayed bluster is never as good and just doesn't have the correct air of indignation about it.

And yes, Iran should certainly be taking notes.

re: #208 grayp

re: #202 Outrider
But a team on the ground could have done that much easier.

That's what I thought when the idea first came to mind. But if the site is indeed a chem plant or such, it could be very hard to get a team in there.

My comments regarding ground teams would apply only to people targets or arms shipments. A hard facility such as a chemical or nuke plant or storage facility would be better taken out by aerial platforms.

re: #146 kreigwagon

well since KOS means pussy so if they get paid that would make them the whores of the claphate which is also true

re: #215 Outrider

Sorry, I wasn't clear. The scenario I am imagining is that a human target is inside a site that would be next to impossible to get a team into due to security.

re: #217 grayp

re: #215 Outrider
Sorry, I wasn't clear. The scenario I am imagining is that a human target is inside a site that would be next to impossible to get a team into due to security.

Yeah, I can imagine they might expend that effort for that reason. But that would be a most high level person. And they are all still walking.

The proof of the pudding would be our monitoring of background radiation across the border in Iraq.

We could tell what materials by their radiation spectum signature.

And who says it wasn't from Saddam's era? If a billion in cash got out the back door, why not a truckload of rad?

re: #200 dual_boot_brain

I know you meant Russia.
We won that war againts the Soviets with our 600 ship navy and stealth air force announcement.

IAF still got it! Notice that Iran (or Ahmamadjihad) has been unusually quiet about this.

israelinsider.com reported this am that Olmert has agreed to surrender the Old City to the PA. No confirmations from any other sources yet.

Still can't figure out what Olmert thinks he's doing, aside from selling S'derot down the river and making the security situation worse.

re: #221 dahozho

IAF still got it! Notice that Iran (or Ahmamadjihad) has been unusually quiet about this.

israelinsider.com reported this am that Olmert has agreed to surrender the Old City to the PA. No confirmations from any other sources yet.

Still can't figure out what Olmert thinks he's doing, aside from selling S'derot down the river and making the security situation worse.

There are lots of other confirmations of that report and have been for a couple of weeks.

Olmert is trying to stay in office and avoid prosecution on the many corruption charges by pandering to Israel's extreme left and to the self-interest of MK's who know that they will lose their seats if there are elections.

There is no way that this was a normal arms shipment from Iran to Hezballah. This has been happening for a long time and Israel would not suddenly change policy in "peacetime." This was something special that warranted special action. Go Israel! Chazak v'amatz!

re: #199 galloping granny

Lebanese & Syrian radar went down, not Iraqi radar. Lebanese also reported their cell-phone networks went off at the same time. Clearly, Israel doesn't want anybody communicating with anybody when they have serious business to attend to.

As for the "nuclear realted material" and the question of where's the fallout (Carl?) ... not all nuke related material produces fallout. If the materials were centrifuges or other enrichment equipment, no radioactive material at all would be found. Even if the target did include some enriched uranium or plutonium, the fallout from a conventional explosion on that material would be limited. This is because the material itself did not go critical (no nuclear chain reaction). The isotopes would be blown up in a small cloud and then settle out fast because it's very heavy. If this did happen, you can be sure the US took air samples and are examining it rignt now. The target might alos have been an underground bunker and the materials are now entombed in it after Israel dropped a few bunker-busters on it. Again, little or no fallout would be produced.

THe biggest fallout from all this has been diplomatic. There has been not one word of condemnation from the Arab states, while Saudi Arabia cancelled the scheduled visit of the Syrian foreign minister. Syria's neighbours are not happy about Iran & Syria's little shenanegans.

re: #223 rubix

Quite right. Also, Iran normally flies in their shipments to Hezbollah to Damascus airport, where the Syrians truck them WEST to Lebanon. The targets the Israelis hit were 400 kilometers to the NORTH EAST. Why would the Syrians truck stuff up there if it's going to Hezbolah? It makes no sense.

The reports are saying the materials of interest arrived on Sept 4th onboard a North Korean freighter at the Syrian port of Tarsus. On Sept 4th & 5th a team of NoKo officials arrived in Iran, including the NoKo Minister of Mines. The Minister of Mines is in charge of digging deep holes in NoKo, like the ones where their nuclear programme is installed. On Sept 6th, the Israelis struck. I think the timing says it all. The Axis of Evil was hard at it.

G-d bless Israel!

Weather this is true or not, its great to see Israel striking back...not sitting in the corner like a beaten housewife waiting for the next kick.

God Bless Israel.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

France is talking tough,

The world should brace for a possible war over the Iranian nuclear crisis but seeking a solution through talks should take priority, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said on Sunday.
"We have to prepare for the worst, and the worst is war," he said in an interview broadcast on French television and radio.

"We must negotiate right to the end," with Iran, he said, but underlined that if Tehran possessed an atomic weapon, it would represent "a real danger for the whole world."

Yes, that France.

Can't say I'm ever disappointed when Israel stomps on someone as it's usually well planned, well considered, and well deserved.

Been following this on the mil-blogs since it happened and I'm inclined to go with the nuclear material issue than with the Hezbollah arms aspect.

I mean, come on, a few hundred more rockets for Hezbollah over and above what they already have? What's the point?

I also like their philosophy, they don't try to invade and "fix" anything, they don't try to rebuild and win hearts and minds. The just smash what needs smashing and then it's back to the barracks. No muss, no fuss.
I wish the U.S. did more of this, some things can't be fixed except by smashing them and sending a message. Full stop!

re: #213 GreenDroll

Watch for a bunch of preemptive bluster from Iran. Syria's air defenses are newer (better) but of the same model of those protecting Iran. If I was in charge of Iran I would think this to be a very negative development. If Syria can't prevent Israel from carrying out successful air operations on targets in their country, what chance has Iran against the US? An offensive of rhetoric is about their only hope at this point. Maybe a diversionary crisis will be manufactured. A bunch of posturing as victims needing the protection of world opinion. A lot of praying to Allah. Hope it doesn't work...

"G-D" -

The choices for Iran are truly not pretty at this point as far as the regime goes. Suspect the head "Pistachio Potentates of Perdition" will soon be offshoring their money if they haven't done so already. Expect lots of rats to be jumping ship soon.
As to the people, hopefully in the next 12 months we will be welcoming the Persian Nation, along with the Cuban Nation back to the ranks of free peoples.

-S-

re: #222 Carl in Jerusalem

Thanks, Carl-- guess I just haven't looked in the right places yet.

Olmert is a disaster. How long until the next Israeli elections? (not soon enough, sigh.)

Pandering is a good word for his actions!

re: #206 Outrider

And that is the interesting part. Why are they not being their usual bombastic selves? Short answer? They have something to conceal.

Exactly! They cannot acknowledge the destruction of a nuclear cache, because that would be admitting they had one to begin with!

I just love hearing about the REAL "fierce desert warriors" of the Middle East kicking ass ... the Israeli armed forces ROCK!

I remember some Cold War spy novel where a "former" Nazi recalls his amazement at seeing "skinny, pale ghetto Jews" transformed into the bronzed warriors of the Holy Land, driving off their would-be destroyers. Well, no, Klaus. What happened was that your Fuhrer killed all the "skinny, pale Jews" and the ones that were left were tough-as-nails bastards who weren't going to fucking take it anymore! And they haven't softened up as much as their enemies would like to think!

Speculation heats up over what Israel hit in Syria

...
After interviewing Israeli participants in the mysterious raid, the expert "reported that the attack appears to have been linked to the arrival three days earlier of

a ship carrying material from North Korea labeled as cement."

"The expert said it is not clear what the ship was carrying, but the emerging consensus in Israel was that it delivered nuclear equipment," the Post said Saturday.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

re: #213 GreenDroll

Watch for a bunch of preemptive bluster from Iran. Syria's air defenses are newer (better) but of the same model of those protecting Iran. If I was in charge of Iran I would think this to be a very negative development. If Syria can't prevent Israel from carrying out successful air operations on targets in their country, what chance has Iran against the US? An offensive of rhetoric is about their only hope at this point. Maybe a diversionary crisis will be manufactured. A bunch of posturing as victims needing the protection of world opinion. A lot of praying to Allah. Hope it doesn't work....

Praying to allah is as effective as praying to any idol of Baal

One wonders why Natanz (Iran's WMD facility) hasn't mysteriously become a smoking hole.

[Link: www.globalsecurity.org...]

But in a period of détente the US and its allies concurred when China sold a 30kw nuclear reactor to Syria in 1998 under IAEA controls.

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
The reactor is supposedly in Dayr al Jajar, although it wouldn't come up in any map searches.

If this is true, then just like with Iran, Syria could fairly easily cheat with its "peaceful program" to weapons grade through enrichment. Some stories were out years ago that our intelligence had picked up a whirling sound in Syria that could only come from centrifuge cascades. So said John Loftus' sources, who were kind of like Debka.

So if they've got a reactor and some centrifuges, they would need to fill in any gaps. NKorea would certainly help, maybe Iran too. Now they've got a shipment to reorder.

test

Speak softly and carry a big stick.
T. Roosevelt

re: #235 picaro

One wonders why Natanz (Iran's WMD facility) hasn't mysteriously become a smoking hole.

[Link: www.globalsecurity.org...]

I'm betting that once it's running full tilt (I believe they are supposed to be installing a whack more centrifuges) something will fall from the sky and rock their world - Israel just giving them more rope. Better and more efficient to destroy the final product than the bits and pieces. Let Ahmed-whatever, get bragging about it being complete, the wonder of the world, blah, blah, blah and BOOM!, congrats on your new, very expensive pile of rubble buddy.

Plus, the Iranian leaders are already doing a great job of pissing off their own populace. Revolution anyone? An attack now could swing the Iranian public's support back to the mullah's - no more internal revolution brewing. Granted, a revolution is unlikely in the near term but they are really leaning on their own populace these days.

More big holes in the desert please!

There is one fact not open to speculation which is very encouraging - whatever the target was, it was bombed despite Syria's new air defense systems - which are known to be superior to what Iran has.
For those speculating about ECM, see reports from Lebanon about electronic communications disturbances originating from the time of the attack.

Israel has some nifty anti-radiation toys, including UAV/cruise-missile loitering munitons (which were groundbreaking when they were introduced - AFAIK the new versions are still considered unparalleled), I wonder of these were also used.

And again, whatever the target was, North Korea commenting about and condemning an operation in the Middle East is highly unusual for the taciturn regime and does indeed point the spotlight at them.

re: #40 DocMartyn

One other thing, the IDF can only use F-15i's in self defense. If they used them over Syria, they would have needed American permission.

Ridiculous, in general. Specifically, I suggest you read about the happenings at Osirak, Iraq, 1981.

Well, the best part of this news is that syria "denies" anything got hit. And, the nephew to the "dinner-jacket" got sent to Damascus; to go look at the flattened pancake in the desert.

Ah. And, yes, it took Turkey's MILITARY, cooperating with Israel, to get the planes in, over their territory, first. And, our military giving the Israeli pilots "codes."

Keeping secrets?

Well, it was up to syria to girdle up. And, "go to war." That's when Assad needed to change his underpants.

But Dubya will still just "coast." Even though, YES, diplomatically speaking America DID GIVE ISRAEL more than just "permission."

And, a monsterous problem growing in syria was "cured."

I also trust Petraeus.

re: #45 chicagodudewhotrades

Darkness "fell" at midnight. The planes were soon above; and, there were ground forces, using lasers, guiding in the planes to their targets.

If everything is dark, then ya need your lasers.

Neat. ANd, so unexpected!

Show me the money.

I'd prefer actual video or still photo BDA, but I'll accept a named IDF or government source, including from the US government.

Otherwise, this is little more than the IDF testing the Syrians brand new radar systems to confirm that they are little better than the old radar systems.

If it's even that, as there doesn't seem to be any confirmation that the IDF actually overflew Syria, this time.

So far, the only publicly confirmed sources are Syrian, Iranian, and North Korean. How believable are they?

===

I hope they hit something, I really do. But I don't think so this time...

NOT,
R

The silence from Syria is deafening ...

*crickets*

The Israelis defeated the Syrian defense systems. They also seem to have foiled some nefarious nuclear scheme by current members of the "axis of evil".
I also call it a shot across Iran's bow.
Imho, the Iranians know it would take about 3 days for the US to destroy the Iranian military - including their nuclear sites. Quite a betting chip.
Randy

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