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MSM Notices the Muslim Brotherhood Plotting to Take Over the US

Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 8:15:31 am PDT

The Dallas Morning News notices that the Muslim Brotherhood has a serious long-term plan to take over the United States: Muslim Brotherhood’s papers detail plan to seize US.

I guess it’s a revelation for some people that this is going on, but at LGF we’ve been trying to get people to notice it for years.

Amid the mountain of evidence released in the Holy Land Foundation terrorism financing trial, the most provocative has turned out to be a handful of previously classified evidence detailing Islamist extremists’ ambitious plans for a U.S. takeover.

A knot of terrorism researchers say the memos and audiotapes, many translated from Arabic and containing detailed strategies by the international Islamist group the Muslim Brotherhood, are proof that extremists have long sought to replace the Constitution with Shariah, or Islamic law.

But some academics and Muslim leaders say that the ideals contained in the documents were written by disgruntled foreign dissidents representing a tiny radical fringe. The documents also pre-date the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, and the 80-year-old Muslim Brotherhood is now either inactive or largely underground in America.

So who does the Dallas Morning News call when they need someone to whitewash and minimize the Muslim Brotherhood’s plans?

They call the main Muslim Brotherhood front group in the United States, the Muslim American Society.

Esam Omeish, president of the Virginia-based Muslim American Society, or MAS, says the documents introduced in the Holy Land trial are full of “abhorrent statements and are in direct conflict of the very principles of our Islam.”

“The Muslim community in America wishes to contribute positively to the continued success and greatness of our civilization,” Dr. Omeish said. “The ethics of tolerance and inclusion are the very tenets that MAS was based on from its inception.”

His group, formed in 1993, is thought by many to be the Brotherhood’s current incarnation in the U.S., although he and other MAS leaders say their group formed as an alternative to radicalism.

“MAS is not the Muslim Brotherhood,” Dr. Omeish said. The society “grew out of a history of Islamic activism in the U.S. when the Muslim Brotherhood once existed but has a different intellectual paradigm and outlook.”

Oh, well, that’s much better then. Nothing to see here. He’d have no reason to lie about this, would he? Sweet dreams.

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1 Ma Sands  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:17:37am

Huh. It LOOKED like progress.....for a minute!

2 jweaver  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:17:52am

It seems that this type stories get almost no coverage from the MSM, but lets hope we can soon get serious about these threats as a country.

3 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:18:15am

And Jihad is a peaceful spiritual quest...

(someday it MAY mean that...but it don't mean that today!)

4 insanity police  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:18:26am

Down with the M.B. terrorist movement!

5 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:19:27am

And the number one thing to remember is they have this rule:
Lie to infidels to get your way...

6 storagemanager  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:19:35am

Ishaq:325 "Muslims, fight in Allah's Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious."
Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."
Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."
Ishaq:324 "He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'"

7 rab3  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:20:14am

The green low energy light bulb finally turned on.

8 pygmalienation  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:20:55am

I saw that article and just forwarded it to JihadWatch. Of course, Charles your all over it! lol! I would like to see Robert Spencers dissembling of all the taquiya extant in that article!

9 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:21:55am

MSM thought process: They'll come for us last.

10 JWM  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:22:03am
“MAS is not the Muslim Brotherhood,” Dr. Omeish said. The society “grew out of a history of Islamic activism in the U.S. when the Muslim Brotherhood once existed but has a different intellectual paradigm and outlook.”

Well, gosh- a different intellectual paradigm! Anyone who talks with fancy soundin' words like that must be smart, and sincere, too. Good thing we have these guys on our side.
/

JWM

11 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:22:16am

OK -

For better or worse, free speech includes the right to SAY outrageous things. I know, I do it all the time. That freedom does NOT include the freedom to ACT in ways disturbing the peace. Let them say what they will,
it un-masks them. The American people will take it from there.

-S-

12 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:22:51am

Bet very few people even know this trial is happening, let alone the details.

13 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:22:56am

Charles, have you heard from Rod Dreher at the News regarding this story? He's a voice in the wilderness there. I'll bet he has a lot to say about this.

14 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:23:11am

re: #7 rab3

Looks like the Capital dome to me.

15 brinkley  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:23:55am

Esam Omeish: “The ethics of tolerance and inclusion are the very tenets that MAS was based on from its inception.”

Notice that he doesn't say anything like "acceptance" - just tolerance.....


Remember: "Say NO to MO".

16 FriarsTale  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:23:59am

didn't Islam start as a

tiny radical fringe


I think so, yeah

17 NiceLass[deleted]  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:24:05am
18 Egfrow  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:24:18am

Daaa, da, duh da duh da da! Taqyia!

19 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:24:42am
A knot of terrorism researchers say the memos and audiotapes, many translated from Arabic and containing detailed strategies by the international Islamist group the Muslim Brotherhood, are proof that extremists have long sought to replace the Constitution with Shariah, or Islamic law.

At least they didn't claim the memos and audiotapes were "satire".

20 pingjockey  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:24:46am

MSM=ostrich's with their heads in the sand. Or morons with their heads up their asses.

21 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:25:25am
Esam Omeish, president of the Virginia-based Muslim American Society, or MAS, says the documents introduced in the Holy Land trial are full of “abhorrent statements and are in direct conflict of the very principles of our Islam.”

“The Muslim community in America wishes to contribute positively to the continued success and greatness of our civilization,” Dr. Omeish said. “The ethics of tolerance and inclusion are the very tenets that MAS was based on from its inception.”

My taqiyyah meter just burst into flames. Where's the fire extinguisher?

22 rab3  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:25:29am

re: #14 Cap'n DOC

re: #7 rab3

Looks like the Capital dome to me.

Pretty sure it's made from tinfoil, with one of these inside.

23 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:26:03am

In other RoP news:

Police to Swedish Artist: You Better Leave Now

Premature surrender.

I'm sure the New York Times or some other MSM outlet would be glad to give him a job.

24 Galactacus  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:26:04am

The only links to this nutjob movement ,stateside,are the 'fake-black Muslims' that pour out of our prison system and other 'sectors' of uneducated and misguided Democrats.

25 Jack Reacher  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:26:54am
...disgruntled foreign dissidents representing a tiny radical fringe.

Like, say, Mohammed Atta?

26 anotherindyfilmguy[deleted]  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:27:54am
27 NiceLass  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:28:18am

No, we can't kill them all. America offers freedom of religion, so we're going to be stuck with Islam. Seems like the best option is to somehow change Islam so it really becomes peaceful...well, more peaceful, hopefully. And the best way to do that is:

_________________________________
(fill in the blank)

28 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:28:19am

OT: Unfortunate Headline of the Day

Livini Breaks Ramadan Fast With Local Muslim Leaders
She really converted? Who knew!?!

29 JWM  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:28:24am
“The Muslim community in America wishes to contribute positively to the continued success and greatness of our civilization,” Dr. Omeish said.


What do you mean "Our", huh?


JWM

30 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:28:52am

re: #17 NiceLass

Consider yourself reported.

31 rab3[deleted]  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:30:10am
32 Charles  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:30:46am

re: #24 Galactacus

The only links to this nutjob movement ,stateside,are the 'fake-black Muslims' that pour out of our prison system and other 'sectors' of uneducated and misguided Democrats.

What are you talking about? That's completely untrue. Nearly every American Muslim advocacy group has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.

33 opnion  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:30:54am

'A tiny radical fringe" Hmm I have heard something like that before.
Wait! It's coming to me. Got it. It was Bush talking about "A tiny minority hijacking a peaceful religion"
Whew! There are just a few of them, so nothing to worry about.
No, everything is fine.

34 Silhouette  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:31:12am
MSM Notices the Muslim Brotherhood Plotting to Take Over the US

What was their first clue? The daily open calls to take over the US?

35 Poitiers-Lepanto[deleted]  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:31:20am
36 Terp Mole  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:31:52am

OT: Anti-idiotarian college cutie spotted in Utah wacademia;

Democrats hate America

It's official -- Democrats do not support our military.

Can anyone distinguish between the incoherent ramblings of Osama bin Laden and a power-hungry, anti-war Democratic congressman in Washington?

The answer is no. Their goals and mission are the same -- to undermine our troops, public confidence in our country and bring U.S. defeat in Iraq...

The girl could use some lizard support in the comment thread. The campus BDS thugs are going for her throat. Sampler;

How dare you? How. Dare. You! I'm sorry, but when the Chronicle allows Coulter-escent tripe of this nature to be published, it gets my goat. Lemming-minded zealots such Ms. Fuller are the reason that we are watching our brave troops get needlessly slaughtered on a daily basis...
37 lefty201  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:32:02am

I always have to worry working in downtown dallas about these freaks. I pass by the federal building every morning, and think about the huge numbers of federal police that CAN be seen, and those who cannot.

It's too bad too, Dallas is such a pretty city when you actually have a chance to really look at it, so I hope nothing ever happens.

38 beens21  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:32:05am

[Link: www.txnd.uscourts.gov...] evidence admitted at the holy land trial.

39 pygmalienation  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:32:14am

re: #29 JWM

“The Muslim community in America wishes to contribute positively to the continued success and greatness of our civilization,” Dr. Omeish said.

What do you mean "Our", huh?


JWM

That was my first thought when I read that, so much double talk. That built in taquiyya thing in islam really messes with their credibility, does it not?

40 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:32:19am

re: #27 NiceLass

No, we can't kill them all. America offers freedom of religion, so we're going to be stuck with Islam. Seems like the best option is to somehow change Islam so it really becomes peaceful...well, more peaceful, hopefully. And the best way to do that is:

_________________________________
(fill in the blank)

The Constitution is not a suicide pact much as those who would destroy it seem to try and make into one. As for the U.S. Government making war on someone because of their religion ask the American Indians or the Mormons about how well they got along with the Feds in the 19th and parts of the 20th centuries...

41 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:32:23am

Lizards-I would strongly advise NOT copying and quoting NiceLass's comment. Perfect fodder for our foes.

42 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:32:44am

re: #17 NiceLass


Oh boy... Sadly, I don't think it's possible.

43 insanity police  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:32:56am

re: #17 NiceLass

Well, we're going to have to find some way to co-exist with Muslims. We can't just kill them all...can we?

I don't think anyone has said that except you.

44 firebreather  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:33:22am

The MSM will be only too happy to facilitate & augment any group that promises to "take over" the United States. After all, the enemy (Muslim Brotherhood/Islamists) of their enemy (the USA) is the de facto friend of the MSM.

45 Charles  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:33:54am

re: #17 NiceLass

Well, we're going to have to find some way to co-exist with Muslims. We can't just kill them all...can we?

What is the point of this question? Aren't you the same one who was vehemently arguing that we should all go out and immediately flush Korans down toilets?

46 insanity police  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:34:07am

re: #41 WriterMom

Sorry, I didn't see your post before I wrote my #43. Thanks for the advice.

47 docremulac  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:34:18am

The deal (in the mind of the left) is supposed to go down like this: "We leftists will help you get almost everything you want in your war against the west as long as we get to share the spoils of conquest. You can force Sharia law on the people of the United States via the academic institutions and courts as long as we leftists get left alone for the most part, perhaps just wearing a scarf or saying "salami hochem dirka" or whatever during our meetings in public."

Asama (or his puppeteers) have only recently figured this out as witnessed by the latest video declaring solidarity with the western leftists. Only took them 6 years to figure it out.

Lefties are cowards that's why they're always supporting groups that they perceive as able to do their fighting for them.

48 storagemanager[deleted]  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:35:14am
49 Galactacus  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:35:28am

I was refering to the boots on the street aspect of these loony toons actually and not the pseudo-social or media fronts. but..do you think the MB really has it's finger in all of those pies? You would know better than I do.

50 boazhorribilis  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:36:00am

Arabs are speaking the truth.
Vigilance, PLEASE!

51 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:36:36am

We should take them at their word.

52 Galactacus  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:37:14am

re: #49 Galactacus

I was refering to the boots on the street aspect of these loony toons actually and not the pseudo-social or media fronts. but..do you think the MB really has it's finger in all of those pies? You would know better than I do.


I should say '..MB really has it's Stinky finger in all those pies..'

53 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:37:54am

re: #22 rab3

Okay. I have about 3 dozen of those in my house, and I'd never thought of that application before.

/tongue embedded in cheek

54 docremulac  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:38:06am

O.T. Hmm. Spell check didn't catch my misspelling of Osama so I learned a new word today.

Asama: Honshu's most active volcano.

55 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:38:35am
Esam Omeish, president of the Virginia-based Muslim American Society, or MAS, says the documents introduced in the Holy Land trial are full of “abhorrent statements and are in direct conflict of the very principles of our Islam.”

“The Muslim community in America wishes to contribute positively to the continued success and greatness of our civilization,” Dr. Omeish said. “The ethics of tolerance and inclusion are the very tenets that MAS was based on from its inception.”

I'm seeing very pointed use of pronouns here. "Our islam"? "Our civilization"? When dealing with muslims- these little words are important. They are qualifiers that most who do not know wouldn't think of- like this reporter. They are counting on the dhimmi press to help them spread their daw'ah.

56 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:38:49am

Going OT first thing in the morning is never a good sign, but it sort of pertains to any Lizard coming from or going to iraq...

Blackwater license being revoked in Iraq

The Iraqi government said Monday that it was revoking the license of an American security firm accused of involvement in the deaths of eight civilians in a firefight that followed a car bomb explosion near a State Department motorcade.

"There was a convoy of State Department personnel and a car bomb went off in proximity to them and there was an exchange of fire as the personnel were returning to the International Zone," embassy spokesman Johann Schmonsees said, referring to the heavily fortified U.S.-protected area in central Baghdad also known as the Green Zone.

The question of whether they could face prosecution is legally murky. Unlike soldiers, the contractors are not bound by the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Under a special provision secured by American-occupying forces, they are exempt from prosecution by Iraqis for crimes committed there.

57 Eowyn2  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:39:18am

I question the timing of forming a "new" muslim organization in 1993. Was it formed prior to the 1st wtc bombing or after?

58 pingjockey  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:39:44am

The only way we can "co-exist" with the muslims is if they have a reformation of Islam. However, since muhammed received the word of allah and allah is never wrong Islam can not be reformed. So take them at their word we either fight or submit. I WILL NOT SUBMIT!

59 Charles  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:40:28am

'Galactacus' is the previously banned poster 'Czarmangis', who was blocked for posting a series of bigoted comments with 'jokes' about killing people. Now blocked again.

60 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:41:31am

re: #59 Charles

I can't believe the trouble the banned trolls go to in order to get re-registered here. SICK SICK SICK.

61 phil flavin  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:42:28am

Looks like you might have a busy day on your hands Charles.
Ahhhhhh....Monday

62 Bob the Scot  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:42:46am

Those are two interesting names.

63 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:42:50am
His group, formed in 1993

LOL. This is actually the funniest part. The current problems we face started with the formation of Islam, on Mohammad's birthday.

64 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:43:58am

re: #59 Charles

It's amazing how much more clever than you they think they are. Idiots.

65 Cry of defiance and not of fear  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:45:06am

People eventually have to face reality, some more slowly than others. There are cracks in the facade of self-delusion; the left-wing has sought to use Islam as a battering ram against Western values, assuming the Moslems could be dispensed with or sidelined in due course. Thugs are never that amenable and I think we're seeing a gradual shift.

The French government's ministers are speaking frankly of Islam as a problem, the Swedish newspapers are now taking a tougher line against Moslems (especially over the latest invented cartoon controversy) and in Britain, THE TIMES, the Anglican clergy, TV (the excellent Channel 4 Dispatches program airing Sept 17) are all attacking openly Islam's view on apostasy and violence against converts to Christianity.

66 Ma Sands  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:45:20am

re: #54 docremulac

:)

Need a pure, simple break like that once in a while. Thanks.

67 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:46:05am

re: #59 Charles

'Galactacus' is the previously banned poster 'Czarmangis', who was blocked for posting a series of bigoted comments with 'jokes' about killing people. Now blocked again.

Wow. Was he using the same IP range also? Amazing.

68 peck  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:46:18am

Whew! Glad it got straightened out. Besides, it was only a handful of documents anyway. Editor shoulda slept on the story before jumping out there with erroneous conclusions based on nothing. Next time maybe they will consult the experts first.
/off

69 dahozho  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:46:27am

HOW can this outlet miss that Omeish has just parroted the strategy outlined in the HLF documents? Would someone start teaching critical thinking skills again?

70 rab3  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:46:47am

re: #60 WriterMom

re: #59 Charles

I can't believe the trouble the banned trolls go to in order to get re-registered here. SICK SICK SICK.

Regarding 'Galactacus' can I use a "your mothers basement" comment here without getting creamed.

/I asked because the last time I did the results were not pretty.

71 commander_vimes  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:46:53am

re: #59 Charles

Thank you.

Anybody got recipes for troll leftovers.

72 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:47:07am

OT:
This shouldn't be surprising. Hamas is cementing its grip on Gaza and imposing Islamist rule, much to the chagrin of Gazans. Cement shoes anyone?

73 NoSubmission  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:47:29am

re: #67 Ward Cleaver

Wow. Was he using the same IP range also? Amazing.


Perhaps. But it's all on his blog.

74 storagemanager  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:48:01am
Growing Neo-Nazi Attacks Raising Red Flags in the Jewish State

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

75 looking closely  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:48:04am

It bears repeating that the so-called "Muslim Brotherhood" is at the core of both Al Queda and HAMAS, and that that entity is banned as a terrorist organization in numerous places, including Egypt.

If you want a real puff piece, go check out the utterly whitewashed WIKI entry on Al Ikhwan Al Muslimun.

76 commander_vimes  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:48:58am

re: #17 NiceLass

Curious. What does the adjective "NiceL" mean?

77 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:49:21am

re: #71 commander_vimes

1 Gamey buttocks

Mince and sear 'till well done. Salt and pepper to taste.

78 Eowyn2  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:49:51am

re: #64 Sharmuta

re: #59 Charles

It's amazing how much more clever than you they think they are. Idiots.

say that three times fast.

79 Charles  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:50:54am

I notice that NiceLass got quiet all of a sudden.

I think it's clear that comment was intended for no other purpose than to provoke people. If there's some other reason why you posted that non sequitur, NiceLass, please let me know, or your account will be blocked for trolling.

80 storagemanager  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:51:13am

re: #75 looking closely

It bears repeating that the so-called "Muslim Brotherhood" is at the core of both Al Queda and HAMAS, and that that entity is banned as a terrorist organization in numerous places, including Egypt.

If you want a real puff piece, go check out the utterly whitewashed WIKI entry on Al Ikhwan Al Muslimun.


Al Queda means the base in Arabic....it is made up of many Muslim groups...the MSM never understood that.

81 El matamoros  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:51:15am

"But some academics and Muslim leaders say that the ideals contained in the documents were written by disgruntled foreign dissidents representing a tiny radical fringe."

Is the MSM FUCKING NUTS? Im mean really, this is'nt EVEN a rhetorical question. You dont have to obsfucate or walk on egg shells with Muslims as regards these important questions, JUST ASK THEM! While some will engage in Taqqia (sorry i forget the speeling of the word!) Most are only to quick to tell you their intentions, like a christian who is preaching to get a convert they like to tell the truth simply becuase they dont see anything wrong with what they belive. so you know what MSM? JUST ASK THEM!
they will tell you straight up, THEY WANT SHARIA! They see their Sharia as higher than the constitution, end of story. in thier mind if the people of the US want Sharia to replace the Constitution, it will be done DEMOCRATICALLY therefore no need to hide it.

Just as other religions have have student association on campuss' nation wide like Hillel or the Catholic union, so the Muslims have the MSA or muslim student association. it is the largest and mainstream muslim campus association. this is what it says right on the USC-MSA WEBSITE! -
"it is clear that the state's obligation of obedience to the Creator is as important as the obedience of the individual. Hence, the Islamic state must derive its law from the Qur'an and Sunnah. This principle excludes certain choices from the Islamic state's options for political and economic systems, such as a pure democracy, unrestricted capitalism, communism, socialism, etc. For example, a pure democracy places the people above the Qur'an and Sunnah, and this is disobedience to the Creator. However, the best alternative to a pure democracy is a democracy that implements and enforces the Shari'ah (Islamic Law)."

[Link: www.usc.edu...]

CLEAR THEFUCK ENOUGH FOR YOU?
?

82 Ma Sands  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:52:01am

re: #69 dahozho

HOW can this outlet miss that Omeish has just parroted the strategy outlined in the HLF documents? Would someone start teaching critical thinking skills again?


You sound like C.S. Lewis.... :)

83 Cygnus  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:52:08am
84 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:52:32am

re: #59 Charles

Adios Galactica although I kinda liked the nic....reminded me of Battlestar Galactica

85 peck  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:52:42am

re: #72 lawhawk

So now Gaza goes from Hamas sponsored murderous chaos to a religious inspired Hamas organized murderous society? Things are looking up in the region./

86 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:52:52am

re: #79 Charles

I notice that NiceLass got quiet all of a sudden.

She's good at pulling that trick out, I've noticed.

87 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:53:41am

Keith Olbermann Admits MSNBC Is Liberally Biased

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

88 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:53:47am

re: #78 Eowyn2

I pity those who underestimate our blog master.

89 pingjockey  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:54:10am

We are the moonbats and we're okay,
we work in moms basement and troll all day,
we wear tinfoil hats and troll all day,
we are the moonbats and we're okay.

Apologies to Monty Python

90 beens21  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:54:11am

[Link: www.txnd.uscourts.gov...] GXi-314

91 Eowyn2  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:54:48am

re: #23 JammieWearingFool

In other RoP news:

Police to Swedish Artist: You Better Leave Now

Premature surrender.

I'm sure the New York Times or some other MSM outlet would be glad to give him a job.

SAD. Very Very Sad.
New twist
When they came for the Israelis we said not a word
When they came for the Artists we said not a word
When the came for the apostates we said not a word
When they came for the CARTOONISTS we said not a word.

Who's next?

92 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:55:12am

re: #72 lawhawk

Cry. Moi. A rivah.

93 opnion  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:55:30am

re: #58 pingjockey

The only way we can "co-exist" with the muslims is if they have a reformation of Islam. However, since muhammed received the word of allah and allah is never wrong Islam can not be reformed. So take them at their word we either fight or submit. I WILL NOT SUBMIT!


And there is the problem. The Koran is seen as the literal word of Allah.
No metaphors or allegories.
Even when there is contradiction abrogation or defaulting to the latest comments is operative.
So much of the Koran is murderous supremicism. The MSM just does not want to accept that. But it is what it is.

94 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:55:45am

re: #81 El matamoros

A fringe group? That's an easy way to put things when you don't even have an idea of the scope of the problem. Simply claim that it's a fringe group that is pushing the concept of jihad and expect people reading the story not to bother learning the backstory and the true nature of jihad and the Muslim Brotherhood's position as the root of modern-day Islamist thought from which the likes of al Qaeda and other Sunni Islamist doctrine has sprung.

95 dahozho  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:56:31am

re: #82 Ma Sands

hmmm. Who I've never read, apart from the Chronicles of Narnia...

:)

96 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:56:38am

re: #54 docremulac

O.T. Hmm. Spell check didn't catch my misspelling of Osama so I learned a new word today.

Asama: Honshu's most active volcano.

Asama bin Eruptin'?

97 Eowyn2  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:57:02am

re: #77 Killgore Trout

re: #71 commander_vimes

1 Gamey buttocks

Mince and sear 'till well done. Salt and pepper to taste.

soak it in cold salt water (use sea salt) it works as a tenderizer and it won't be so gamey.

98 commander_vimes  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:57:07am

re: #87 Jewels (AKA Julian)

good one

99 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:57:09am

It was a tiny radical fringe, presenting a form of satire. In Arabic, "taking over the United States and killing or enslaving all the infidels" really means "peaceful internal struggle against one's own sinfulness". Don't you redneck yahoos know anything about anything?

100 yah  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:57:25am

re: #91 Eowyn2

When they came for the Israelis we said not a word
When they came for the Artists we said not a word
When the came for the apostates we said not a word
When they came for the CARTOONISTS we said not a word.

Who's next?

All those in pubic office.

101 rab3  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:57:27am

re: #96 Ward Cleaver

re: #54 docremulac

O.T. Hmm. Spell check didn't catch my misspelling of Osama so I learned a new word today.

Asama: Honshu's most active volcano.

Asama bin Eruptin'?

Asama hat. like ass hat but rumbles more.

102 Is it me?  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:57:43am

"Our Islam"
Which one would that be?
There are so many, all tailored to fit the agenda of those who follow or use it.
Confusing.

103 RedDish  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:57:55am

re: #79 Charles

Charles,

I'm so sorry you've had to start the morning like this. Between this and the fuss on the other thread, it's been a very nasty start to the work week.

Thanks for all you do.

104 storagemanager  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:58:11am
Britian will sell 72 Eurofighter Typhoon combat jets to Suadi Arabia

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

105 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:59:00am

Wow, lots of deleted comments.

106 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:59:10am

re: #100 yah

All those in pubic office.

There's a Bubba n' Monica joke in their somewhere.

107 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:59:34am

re: #102 Is it me?

Once they've eliminated dar al-harb, they will turn on each other to see just whose islam will rule dar al-islam.

108 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:59:54am

re: #92 WriterMom

Would you prefer the Harry Connick Jr. version?

109 LC LaWedgie  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 8:59:59am

Egypt bars Brotherhood from hosting Ramadan meal


Egypt has blocked the Muslim Brotherhood from hosting an annual Ramadan dinner, the Brotherhood said on Sunday, in the latest move against the country's most powerful opposition force.


---

The non-violent Brotherhood seeks an Islamic state through democratic elections and operates openly despite a decades-old ban. Brotherhood members hold one-fifth of the seats in parliament. But the Egyptian government considers the Brotherhood an illegal organisation and regularly detains members without charge. Some 40 members of the group are currently on trial in military court on terrorism and money laundering charges.

/reuters_off

110 rab3  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:00:01am

re: #100 yah

re: #91 Eowyn2

When they came for the Israelis we said not a word
When they came for the Artists we said not a word
When the came for the apostates we said not a word
When they came for the CARTOONISTS we said not a word.

Who's next?

All those in pubic office.

They may want to come for this guy.

/posted it down stairs but it bears repeating.

111 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:00:12am

re: #104 storagemanager

Britian will sell 72 Eurofighter Typhoon combat jets to Suadi Arabia

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Reuters quoted the Saudi Defense Ministry as saying that the deal was worth $8.84 billion, weapons and maintenance not included.

I like the deal just fine, if they can leave it at that... no weapons, no maintenance...

112 yah  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:00:16am

re: #103 RedDish

Reading post from Nicelass is like having someone poke a finger in my eye.

113 Eowyn2  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:00:24am

re: #88 Sharmuta

re: #78 Eowyn2

I pity those who underestimate our blog master.

I haven't met him but he seems fairly intelligent. Keeps the hamsters moving. Is passionate about getting information out to the streets. yeah, I think we could have a beer and watch football together. I wonder if Killgore would bring some troll buttocks chilli

114 Ma Sands  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:00:38am

re: #95 dahozho

(Funny.....you quoted, nearly verbatim, the professor in the first of that series......it is such a good line it sticks with you, I think.... :)

115 firebreather  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:00:47am

Sayyid Qutb, the spiritual founder of the MB, once described how he was riding in an elevator in America with several other people. An unattractive woman got off at one floor, and as the elevator continued up to the next floor, an American man in the elevator cracked a little joke about the woman's appearance. Qutb decided in that instant that all American infidels needed to be killed.

Yes, Islam is peace. /Sarc

116 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:00:53am

re: #105 Ward Cleaver

I believe because a number of Lizards didn't think before they clicked the quote function instead of reply. They quoted a deletable/deleted comment.

117 Eowyn2  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:00:59am

re: #100 yah

re: #91 Eowyn2


When they came for the Israelis we said not a word
When they came for the Artists we said not a word
When the came for the apostates we said not a word
When they came for the CARTOONISTS we said not a word.

Who's next?


All those in pubic office.

Clinton isnt in the whitehouse anymore.

118 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:01:03am

Hey, I commend the Dallas Morning News for at least noticing there might be a serious problem - albeit about 15 years late.

Some of the staunchest conservatives I know were at one time leftist enablers. Recognizing the problem is a start. Perhaps the Morning News will start to connect the dots.

However, I wouldn't stake my life on it.

119 dahozho  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:01:20am

re: #107 Sharmuta

re: #102 Is it me?

Once they've eliminated dar al-harb, they will turn on each other to see just whose islam will rule dar al-islam.

Actually, I'm hoping their intermurals will divert their attention from outside, eventually... Just goes to show that teaching hate and violence always comes back to bite the community that teaches it.

120 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:01:31am

re: #41 WriterMom

Lizards-I would strongly advise NOT copying and quoting NiceLass's comment. Perfect fodder for our foes.

Apparently I got deleted because I did that.
I thought it would have been quite obvious that my answer was sarcastic about NL post while at the same time worried about the reality of the islamic threat to Western civilization.

What worries me even more is that Firefox tells me to capitalize islamic in the sentence I just wrote.

121 Charles  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:01:41am

And by the way, another account was blocked in that other topic, because it had the same IP as one of the participants in the bickerfest. Can you say, sock puppet?

I haven't even had my usual two cups of strong coffee yet.

122 pat  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:01:49am
when the Muslim Brotherhood once existed but has a different intellectual paradigm and outlook.”

What is this nonsense about? We just saw sweveral members of congress visit with the MB in Egypt. Annapour walked us through their headquarters.I know the reporter is ignorant and trying to be balanced, but really.

123 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:01:57am

re: #108 lawhawk

Diana Krall has a lovely version, too!

124 yah  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:01:59am

110 rab3 9/17/07 9:00:01 am reply quote report 0

re: #100 yah

re: #91 Eowyn2

When they came for the Israelis we said not a word
When they came for the Artists we said not a word
When the came for the apostates we said not a word
When they came for the CARTOONISTS we said not a word.

Who's next?

All those in pubic office.

They may want to come for this guy.

/posted it down stairs but it bears repeating

I think they already got him.

125 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:02:02am
There's a Bubba n' Monica joke in theirthere somewhere.

[banging head on desk]

126 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:02:06am

For the Hempsters....
Pot-smoking cows could stop BSE, maybe



A NEW Zealand pro-cannabis groups says it has scientific evidence that cannabis can stop the development of mad cow disease.

It was not clear whether the findings applied to both cows and humans.

127 bulwrk  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:02:28am

The Muslim community in America wishes to contribute positively to the continued success and greatness of our civilization,”


Thats pretty slippery what civilization do you suppose he is refering to?

128 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:02:41am

I missed a bickerfest? Damn.

129 Opinionated  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:03:11am

If I were defense counsel I would subpoena a prominent American to testify that:

"We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam. We've seen it in many ways. "

130 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:04:06am

re: #99 Occasional Reader

Thanks for explaining that to us numbskulls. And when they say WE ARE GOING TO SLIT YOUR THROATS, DRINK YOUR BLOOD AND PUT YOUR FILTHY KAFIR HEADS ON OUR BEDPOSTS-that really actually means...

"Come to high tea at the Bin Laden compound at 4:00-please indicate any dietary restrictions or nut allergies on your reply card."

131 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:04:11am

re: #126 Killgore Trout

For the Hempsters....
Pot-smoking cows could stop BSE, maybe

Sweet Jebus... I mean, as it is now, all they do is eat...

132 pingjockey  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:04:18am

All your sockpuppets belong to Charles!

133 yah  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:04:38am

re: #121 Charles

And by the way, another account was blocked in that other topic, because it had the same IP as one of the participants in the bickerfest. Can you say, sock puppet?

I haven't even had my usual two cups of strong coffee yet.

Maybe you should make that an Irish Coffee.

134 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:04:52am

re: #125 Occasional Reader

GA! HAHAHHAHAAHA.

135 littleoldlady  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:05:07am

Every single Muslim advocacy group is somehow tied to the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezb'allah, or at the very least...Saudi Arabia. So when the MSM has to find someone to respond to a story in order to provide a [ahem! *cough cough*] "fair and balanced" approach, there's nobody out there except Taquiylopes*.

/still waiting for the Muslim Peace Now. Their motto: "Let's give everything back to the Jews and then there will be peace."
//I either need more or less coffee...or something

*how IS that spelled, anyway?

136 formercorpsman  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:05:09am

I'm sure Charles feels it is like a battle of attrition sometimes.

137 Ma Sands  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:05:21am

re: #103 RedDish

re: #79 Charles

Charles,

I'm so sorry you've had to start the morning like this. Between this and the fuss on the other thread, it's been a very nasty start to the work week.

Thanks for all you do.


I second the motion. :)

138 sheik yer'mami  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:05:35am

"some academics and Muslim leaders say that the ideals contained in the documents were written by disgruntled foreign dissidents representing a tiny radical fringe"

F*#k the wakademics & 'Muslim leaders'- the wakademics are as lunatic as the Muslims who want us dead or forcibly converted.

We can see the 'tiny minority radical fringe' every day in the news running amok, and all we see is 'Muslim leaders' make half-assed excuses for them.

Time to tell them to shove it![Link: sheikyermami.com...]

139 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:05:41am

re: #113 Eowyn2

I haven't met him either, but I have seen for myself that if these idiot bannees think they can fool him with a new nic, they are sorely mistaken. You have to wonder how many of them tried multiple times to pull this "fast one" over on him. What an insult to his intelligence!

140 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:06:05am

Hmmm.... supply of beds starting to exceed demand in Baghdad? What could that possibly mean?

Last month the fall was particularly dramatic, with 70 percent fewer bodies and half the number of wounded brought in compared to July, hospital director Haqi Ismail said.

"The major incidents, like explosions and car bombs, sometimes reached six or seven a day. Now it's more like one or two a week," he told Reuters.

The relative calm at the Yarmouk hospital lends weight to U.S. and Iraqi government assertions that a security campaign launched around Baghdad in February has achieved results.

In one emergency ward at the hospital, in a Sunni Muslim district of west Baghdad which has suffered disproportionately from sectarian conflict, just two patients were being treated. Neither showed signs of serious injury.

At the hospital morgue, only two of the eight refrigerated rooms contain bodies, many of them dating to violence weeks ago.

Yet another independent sign that the surge has been working - but it's also anecdotal, so consider that a flareup could quickly cause a hospital to overflow with critical care patients.

141 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:06:46am

re: #126 Killgore Trout

Trout-I sent you a note.

There was an article today in the National Post about something even more unbelievable. You really can't make this stuff up:

McGill University Researchers Offering Free Cocaine to Subjects

Don't worry-it's all supervised. And only 35% are statistically likely to become total crackhead addicts-so no big one.

142 dahozho  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:06:49am

re: #132 pingjockey

What a great new title! Charles, SockPuppetMaster of Trollistan

:)

143 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:06:52am

re: #111 Occasional Reader

LOL...good catch.

144 insanity police  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:07:08am

re: #128 Occasional Reader

I missed a bickerfest? Damn.

LOL.

We need Michael Buffer to post "Let's Get Ready to Rumble" before these brawls.

O/T
Campus Watch ran my article today. But will the Columbia tenure decision makers listen?

145 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:07:16am

re: #119 dahozho

Don't count on that. They will unite the worldwide ummah first.

146 Victor  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:07:51am

#27 NiceLass 9/17/07 8:28:18 am

America offers freedom of religion, so we're going to be stuck with Islam.

No. Islam is a political movement aimed at overthrowing the Condstitution and instituting Islamic sharia law. It is an alien, seditious organization, and we are perfectly within our rights to defend ourselves from it by barring Muslim immigration into America, by encouraging Muslims already here to leave, closing jihad supporting mosques, and prosecuting sharia/jihad supporting Muslims.

"Seems like the best option is to somehow change Islam so it really becomes peaceful..."

That is not in our power to do. It will have to be done, if ever, by Muslims themselves. We cannot predicate the defense and security of America on something that is not in our power to achieve. We *can* defend against Islam in America. We cannot depend on making Islam peaceful. (It wouldn't be Islam if it was. )

147 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:07:52am

OT:Teacher says inflammatory letter was part of lesson plan

[Link: www.chicoer.com...]

Oy Vey

148 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:08:04am

What would you rather be at-a LGF Bickerfest or a Liberal Latte Klatch?

149 Eowyn2  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:08:35am

re: #107 Sharmuta

Of course.

150 deacon  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:09:05am
“The Muslim community in America wishes to contribute positively to the continued success and greatness of our civilization,” Dr. Omeish said. “The ethics of tolerance and inclusion are the very tenets that MAS was based on from its inception.”

One of 2 things
1. Islam allows muslims to lie to non-muslims
or
2. Muslims Brotherhoods plan for the "continued success and greatness" means that only through the Islamic conversion will we be great, and the ethnics of "tolerance and inclusion" means they want to convert everyone.

So it is either a lie, or we are not getting their full meaning.

151 sheik yer'mami  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:09:09am

re: #104 storagemanager

Britian will sell 72 Eurofighter Typhoon combat jets to Suadi Arabia
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Britain will sell any f*#king thing to Sowdi Arabia...

Because they're terrified if they don't do it the Fwench will. And yes: The Fwench will..!

152 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:09:12am

Now, cows on ectasy, THAT would be interesting.

And meanwhile, in Venezuela, Prez-fer-life Chavez is threatening to "nationalize" private schools if they don't teach a "socialist curriculum".

153 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:09:30am

re: #141 WriterMom

Got it. Reply sent. Awaiting further instructions.

154 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:10:26am

re: #132 pingjockey

Ahem-I believe it would be "

all your sockpuppets IS BELONG to Charles

"..you know, if you want to use the right grammar and all.

GOOD ONE! LOLOLOL!

155 RedDish  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:10:41am

re: #148 WriterMom

Hmmmm. Always something to learn here, even during a Bickerfest. Liberal Latte Klatch; not so much.

:-)

156 rab3  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:10:59am

Watch out for flying fans

[Link: www.yourfilehost.com...]

/any Arabic speakers out there. What is this guy saying.

157 yah  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:11:04am

re: #147 Jewels (AKA Julian)

That teacher should be arrested for several reasons.

158 Idle Drifter  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:11:40am

re: #36 Terp Mole

Gave a little comment on their treatment of Gen. Pertraeus and the Troops. Also that the idiots should let our forces win.

159 PatriotLizardoid  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:11:54am

re: #69 dahozho

HOW can this outlet miss that Omeish has just parroted the strategy outlined in the HLF documents? Would someone start teaching critical thinking skills again?

Absolutely right. It's like they have blinders on or are covering their ears singing "LA LA LA! I can't hear you!"

160 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:12:21am

re: #153 Killgore Trout

Heh. Sent.

161 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:13:10am

re: #157 yah

re: #147 Jewels (AKA Julian)

That teacher should be arrested for several reasons.

Oh, come on. Fired, maybe. Arrested? Be serious. You should be glad to live in a country where teachers aren't arrested for doing stupid things.

162 bob tail  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:13:34am

On the previous thread : IDF Demands Uncut Al-Dura Tape

Charles asks:

I don’t understand why they didn’t do this right away, instead of waiting seven years. The damage caused by France 2’s treachery has been immense.

So, here's the answer: don't be so naive - Israel is full of lefty-moonbats. Read this unbelieveable story about the last week foray in Syria:

Gal-On demands details of 'IAF foray'

163 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:13:50am

re: #147 Jewels (AKA Julian)

inflammatory letter

More like a gadddamned indoctrinational moonbat hemorrhoid.

PREP H that teacher! STAT!

164 poteen  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:14:11am

Charles; Sounds like you need an "assistant bang stick operator" with the recent upgrades. I know a retired schoolteacher looking for part-time work.

165 Eowyn2  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:14:32am

re: #110 rab3

re: #100 yah


re: #91 Eowyn2

When they came for the Israelis we said not a word
When they came for the Artists we said not a word
When the came for the apostates we said not a word
When they came for the CARTOONISTS we said not a word.

Who's next?


All those in pubic office.

They may want to come for this guy.

/posted it down stairs but it bears repeating.

He will be one of the last. The msm, the concretinal moonbats, the hoard of dhimmis will be the last but they will not be spared any more than you or I.

166 Jack Reacher  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:14:57am

re: #76 commander_vimes

re: #17 NiceLass

Curious. What does the adjective "NiceL" mean?

Heh. That's good.

167 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:15:17am

So now that Hugo Chavez is squarely picking a fight with the Catholic Church, maybe they'll unleash that albino assassin on him.

168 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:15:25am

re: #27 NiceLass


Good luck with that.

169 insanity police  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:15:41am

re: #162 bob tail

Don't be so naive? That is not a word I would use to describe Charles.

Don't be so disrespectful.

170 rab3  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:15:58am

N Korean ship 'linked to Israel's strike on Syria'


A suspicious North Korean freighter that re-flagged itself as South Korean before off-loading an unknown cargo at the Syrian port of Tartous is at the centre of efforts today to investigate Israel's recent airstrike on Syria.

/the plot thickens.

171 Dianna  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:16:05am

re: #81 El matamoros

Excellent point. Now, clean up the spelling and grammar a bit, moderate the language, and send that as a letter to the editor, with that sourcing.

It may not do any good, but it may.

172 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:16:15am

re: #126 Killgore Trout

For the Hempsters....
Pot-smoking cows could stop BSE, maybe



A NEW Zealand pro-cannabis groups says it has scientific evidence that cannabis can stop the development of mad cow disease.
It was not clear whether the findings applied to both cows and humans.

But then they'd develop BDS.

173 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:16:16am

re: #91 Eowyn2

re: #23 JammieWearingFool


In other RoP news:

Police to Swedish Artist: You Better Leave Now

Premature surrender.

I'm sure the New York Times or some other MSM outlet would be glad to give him a job.


SAD. Very Very Sad.
New twist
When they came for the Israelis we said not a word
When they came for the Artists we said not a word
When the came for the apostates we said not a word
When they came for the CARTOONISTS we said not a word.

Who's next?

Ironic how seemingly only us evil rightwingers are the ones supporting leftwinger Vilks.

174 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:16:38am

re: #170 rab3

A suspicious North Korean freighter

Is there any other kind?

175 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:17:00am

Boy, did I have fun last night. I went out to Drudge late and the Sally "Forrest, Forrest Gump" Field's ignorant speech was linked to some Hollywood outfit asking for comments. If you think KKKos Kidz are moronic at top of the lib food chain, you ought to try the Hollywood left crowd.

And the great thing about that site? I didn't even have to be respectful or mind my manners - no chance of banishment. Even better, because Drudge linked to it, about 1,000 neocons entered the battle.

You get a bunch of rabid conservatives mocking the Hollywood jetset and it's a free for all. I think we had pushed some of the Hollywood toadies to the brink of suicide.

176 insanity police  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:17:09am

re: #174 Occasional Reader

re: #170 rab3


A suspicious North Korean freighter

Is there any other kind?

FOTFLOL

177 plutosdad  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:17:43am

Even if it is a tiny radical fringe, it's the tiny radical group that's IN POWER. They are not at the fringes. They are directly related to CAIR, and only when the MSM starts reporting this will people sit up and take notice.

My Muslim American friends have no problem recognizing the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization, why can't guilt-ridden whiteys recognize the same fact? Or why can't the MSM report on the oppression and death threats CAIR supporting Muslims deliver to more moderate Muslims to keep them silent?

In Islam, the "moderate majority" and "non radicals" are on the fringes.

At least one daily has reported something. Now we just have to get some other, larger, dailies to actually report the trial is even going on in the first place. Maybe we can start moving forward.

178 dahozho  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:17:59am

re: #145 Sharmuta

You're righ. Just my optimism getting the better of me again....

Good column mostly on topic:
[Link: www.globaldefensegroup.com...]

179 rab3  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:18:21am

re: #174 Occasional Reader

re: #170 rab3

A suspicious North Korean freighter

Is there any other kind?

Good point.

180 yah  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:18:42am

re: #161 Occasional Reader

Chico resident Michael Hill said he was told by his daughter, Kaytlen Hill, 13, that the assignment was to have parents sign the letter and return it to class Wednesday.

In my mind that is child abuse. And a type of blackmail.

181 RedDish  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:19:20am

re: #175 goodbye_natalie

Wheee! Sounds fun. Any links for us?

182 pingjockey  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:20:05am

re: #154 WriterMom Couldn't remember the exact phrasing. Thanks.

183 rappmandu  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:21:27am

No MAS!

184 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:22:53am

If you'll pardon me for being a bit off topic here:

Comment number 17 by DocattheAutopsy:

I want to put up an internet poll that says, “Is O.J. Guilty?” Then have the answers, Yes, No, and Ron Paul, and see just how much Ron Paul wins by.
185 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:22:59am

#180 yah:

In my mind that is child abuse. And a type of blackmail.

Both of those terms have very specific meanings. Neither happened here.

186 LC LaWedgie  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:23:22am

re: #163 WriterMom

An inch beneath his nose in a circular pattern?

187 Eowyn2  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:23:26am

re: #147 Jewels (AKA Julian)

The guy is an obvious loon. Thank goodness some parents still review things their kids are taught. When Algore lost the election, my son's "current events" teacher cried for days. Then she screamed at my son because he told her that he really didnt want someone who couldnt figure out how to punch an election ballot to even be ALLOWED to vote.

188 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:23:40am

re: #181 RedDish

Wheee! Sounds fun. Any links for us?

They turned it off when it became apparent we weren't the crowd they were looking for. Drudge has become Hollywood's worst nightmare. I went looking this morning and it was no where to be found.

And by the way, there is nothing funnier than a vet who doesn't need to mind his manners, loves America and feels like the military is being dissed.

189 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:24:17am

'Jihad Boom' Postcards Mailed To Schools Feature Threatening Cartoons

OCALA, Fla. -- Investigators in Marion County, Fla., are searching for the author of nine postcards sent to different schools on the same day with the words 'Jihad-Boom" and handwritten cartoons of a building apparently exploding with people inside.

Investigators released the postcards with the threatening drawings on them Monday in hopes of generating leads in the case.

Officials said that the postcards are made up of various and traditional themes, and each one has a distinctive hand-drawn cartoon on it. Several of the threats arrived on postcards featuring Walt Disney World.

Detectives said the threat-maker crossed his or her No. 7s and attached a suffix to the address. Six of the nine postcards spell the word "Jihad" correctly, while the others are incorrect.

The U.S. Postal Service said that the postcards were all mailed to the schools from the Ocala-Gainesville mailing district before the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

A $10,000 reward has been issued to anyone who provides information which leads to the arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible for using the postal service to mail the threatening postcards to schools.

190 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:24:54am

re: #95 dahozho
I suggest "That Hideous Strength". An easy read and the third of his 'Space Trilogy'.

191 AlwaysOnWatch  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:25:13am

Esam Omeish, huh? Well, there's a blast from the past. See the following:

[Link: northernvirginiastan.blogspot.com...]

He's been singing the same tune for years.

192 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:25:44am

re: #167 Occasional Reader

So now that Hugo Chavez is squarely picking a fight with the Catholic Church, maybe they'll unleash that albino assassin on him.

The Catholic Church has better options.

193 RedDish  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:26:09am

re: #188 goodbye_natalie

Amen.

194 Bob Tail  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:26:14am

re: #169 insanity police

"Respest" is the most popular word among the Arabs and the Muslims: if you don't respect something (Koran, Sura etc.), you are in a great jeopardy.

I try to think critically. Read the article I linked to

195 opnion  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:26:32am

re: #184 The Other Les

If you'll pardon me for being a bit off topic here:

Comment number 17 by DocattheAutopsy:


I want to put up an internet poll that says, “Is O.J. Guilty?” Then have the answers, Yes, No, and Ron Paul, and see just how much Ron Paul wins by.


Oj guilty & Ron Paul are bot.h correct.
Ron Paul was in the room screaming "Up against the wall m......f.........s

196 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:26:35am

Another time:

German American Bund promises the Nazi Party is noithing to worry about.

SLEEEEEEP!

197 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:27:56am
198 dentate  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:28:18am

re: #194 Bob Tail

Obviously not an Aretha Franklin fan.

199 Killer Tomato  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:28:43am

ah - just another peaceful morning in lizard land, I see.
Someone asked for a recipe... buttermilk. Marinate in buttermilk. Takes the gamey taste right out.

200 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:28:44am

re: #194 Bob Tail

I "Respest" that Mohammud was a serial child molester. Something like that count?

201 RedDish  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:30:05am

Wow lizards, it's lunchtime out here! Yikes, I've got a visit from my Mom in three days and my house is a MESS. Everyone take care and be good.

202 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:30:14am

re: #199 Killer Tomato

I agree. Grandma's recipe and it works better than anything I've found for fishy fish. Also works to neutralize a really hot pepper but you about gag from the taste.

203 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:30:29am

re: #172 Ward Cleaver


Whoa. Sign me an' Bessie up, will ya? LOL.

204 TexasDude  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:30:49am

Yes, Rod Dreher from the Dallas Morning News is the one they other reporters from DMN should have questioned or at least consulted.

A few years back, a local (Dallas-Fort Worth Area), yet large, Mosque held a conference celebrating the teachings of the Ayatollay Khomieni (sp?).

Rod Dreher took the Muslim community to task for such an event.

Predictably, the local Muslim deemed that a face-to-face meeting with Dreher was needed in order rectify the situation, or, rather, to convince Dreher in the error of his Dhimmi ways.

Well, the meeting was telling indeed!

At one point, a Muslim religious leader declared that the reason Sharia has not been imposed upon the United States is due to the fact that there were not enough Muslims in America to make that happen.

Today, in Minnesota, with the cabbies, we see what that cleric was predicting.

As far as I can tell, and this is from someone who has friends who are Muslim, the fringe are those that oppose the domination of Islam upon the world.

205 Timbre  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:31:44am

In my research on "Takbir," I found an entry for Takbir Temple #227. I thought it might be an Islamist outfit. Boy, was I wrong!

206 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:31:48am

re: #192 experiencedtraveller


Dan Brown (was) is a MoonBat. Oh yah. A Liar as well.

207 Killer Tomato  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:33:07am

re: #202 goodbye_natalie

Yeah, it was passed down to me to use it on venison, but I don't see why it wouldn't work equally well on troll or moonbat. Can't say I've tried it yet, though.

208 tfc3rid  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:33:19am

re: #104 storagemanager

Suicide.

209 pingjockey  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:36:58am

re: #206 Cap'n DOC Dan Brown, the author?

210 Ma Sands  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:37:32am

re: #190 Cap'n DOC

re: #95 dahozho
I suggest "That Hideous Strength". An easy read and the third of his 'Space Trilogy'.

Hey! That's no fun! He'd have to read the first two in the trilogy first, to savor the story by "prescient" Lewis, as some here have called him.... :)

211 Ma Sands  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:38:55am

re: #201 RedDish

:)

212 TexasDude  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:39:10am

One other thing ...

Rod Dreher is definitately not a conservative or Republican and I believe it would be hard to even define him as a libertarian.

213 Beobachter  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:39:47am

Since we are on the subject of Islam, I have a question, which I am sure someone here will be able to answer. My wife, who has studied the Bible in great detail, tells me that the old testament and the old testament of the Koran, if they have such a thing, are very similar. Is that true, and if so, when did the two texts become as different, as they are today?

214 cartoonboy  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:43:18am

“The ethics of tolerance and inclusion are the very tenets that MAS was based on from its inception.”

Translation: we tolerate muslim martyrdom adventures and our group is open to all kuffar-haters.

215 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:44:02am
216 El matamoros  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:44:41am

re: #171 Dianna

re: #81 El matamoros

Excellent point. Now, clean up the spelling and grammar a bit, moderate the language, and send that as a letter to the editor, with that sourcing.

It may not do any good, but it may.

Hey, My speeling is ecsellant and my grammer is good very.
Moderate my language? I didnt notice anything with the way I fucking write. Was there something shitty i missed?

>;)

217 Ma Sands  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:46:30am

re: #213 Beobachter

I learned from Don Richardson's book, "Secrets of the Koran", that Mohammad, being illiterate, dictated the Koran, using what he had learned from the Jewish people (whom he so much wanted to impress, in the beginning), and he included in his dictations, the legends and illustrating fables that he had been told, because he didn't know they had not come from the Bible.

218 redstateredneck  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:49:10am

re: #213 Beobachter

Isaac and Ishmael

219 Ginn  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:49:13am

re: #215 buzzsawmonkey

Hey! Pretty cool one Buzz!

220 J.S.  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 9:59:26am

re: #213 Beobachter

There is no "old testament of the Koran." the Koran supercedes that which was written previously. In other words, the previous religious texts were replete with "errors" -- which were then "fixed" by the prophet. Islam accepts that there were religious prophets prior to Mo, but these were all of lesser "virtue..." and not at all of an equal to that of Mo. (the value of the other prophets was simply to "light the way" (or prepare) as it were for the coming of Mo.)

221 El matamoros  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 10:00:56am

re: #213 Beobachter

Since we are on the subject of Islam, I have a question, which I am sure someone here will be able to answer. My wife, who has studied the Bible in great detail, tells me that the old testament and the old testament of the Koran, if they have such a thing, are very similar. Is that true, and if so, when did the two texts become as different, as they are today?

Absolute rubbish. Ask her WHERE or how she came to that conclusion. Methinks someone is dripping poison in her ear. Probably some libby who knows squat about either religion. First off there is no "old testament" in the quran. it was written by one person in a period of twenty years. Second, the "old testament" (Jews consider that phrase to be insulting BTW.) is written like a proper story line, the Quran is a rant. It reads like a court transcript. It has either a first or third person perspective, While the
"OT" is a narrative. Also and this is important, there is no mention of "hell"
or "hellfire" in the OT. The Koran mention that place like every other word.
I think that MAYBE she is saying that the stories are similiar. This is true. Basically what Mohammud did was take stories he HEARD from the Bible (he could'nt read) then retell them to his followers but with his own agenda and theology inserted into it. Therefore you get in the koran stories, as compared to the actual bible stories, wrong names, incorrect geneology, Wrong time lines and essentially wrong theology.
So how do Muslims deal with this problem? easy, just claim that their stories are 100% accurate and say that the original Jewish texts are all false and corrupted. problem solved.

222 J.S.  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 10:03:48am

re: #217 Ma Sands

Yes, Mo borrows from different sources (Talmud, etc.) -- apparently from what he has heard told to him by others -- but some of his info is wrong or mixed up.

223 jezhik  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 10:04:32am

I wonder if these documents are in line with or differ from what Sylvain Besson talks about in his book, la Conquete de l'occident. Haven't seen his book (only a handful of libraries in the US have it).

Anybody?

224 RickZ  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 10:07:59am

re: #213 Beobachter:

Here's one for you. The next time some muslim apologist starts talking about islam as an Abrahamic faith, believing in the non-crucified Jesus as they do, ask why is it islam's koran does not contain the 10 Commandments. That was the first covenant with God. Somehow, Ol' Moe tossed that one into the rubbish heap when he was taking bits and pieces from the Bible and fashioning the koran. I wonder why? Maybe that 'Thou Shalt Not Murder' clause didn't leave a lot of wiggle room.

225 pingjockey  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 10:11:10am

Islam is not a relegion. It is a murder cult plain and simple. Take one delusional tribesman add stan+ cherry pick OT and Talmud+moon worship+one meteorite=murder cult.

226 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 10:15:55am
227 cosmo  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 10:22:33am

"Islam is a religion of peace, inclusion and love."

/abhorrent statement

228 LC LaWedgie  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 10:25:43am

re: #213 Beobachter

There's a lot of twisting in the Koran. These teachings are simply a means to focus upon this final Islamic ideology.

229 Thanos  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 10:25:55am

re: #59 Charles

'Galactacus' is the previously banned poster 'Czarmangis', who was blocked for posting a series of bigoted comments with 'jokes' about killing people. Now blocked again.

Thanks Charles

Relevant to topic: IPT has a new profile PDF for the Muslim American Society, available here.

230 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 10:26:10am
231 Thanos  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 10:31:28am

re: #189 NJDhockeyfan

'Jihad Boom' Postcards Mailed To Schools Feature Threatening Cartoons


OCALA, Fla. -- Investigators in Marion County, Fla., are searching for the author of nine postcards sent to different schools on the same day with the words 'Jihad-Boom" and handwritten cartoons of a building apparently exploding with people inside.

Investigators released the postcards with the threatening drawings on them Monday in hopes of generating leads in the case.

Officials said that the postcards are made up of various and traditional themes, and each one has a distinctive hand-drawn cartoon on it. Several of the threats arrived on postcards featuring Walt Disney World.

Detectives said the threat-maker crossed his or her No. 7s and attached a suffix to the address. Six of the nine postcards spell the word "Jihad" correctly, while the others are incorrect.

The U.S. Postal Service said that the postcards were all mailed to the schools from the Ocala-Gainesville mailing district before the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

A $10,000 reward has been issued to anyone who provides information which leads to the arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible for using the postal service to mail the threatening postcards to schools.


How you spell "Jihad" depends on where you are from e.g. I've seen Urdu speakers spell it "Jeehad" and others spell it "Jiyhad".

232 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 10:35:14am
233 Geepers  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 10:40:07am

Charles (#45),

#17 NiceLass

Well, we're going to have to find some way to co-exist with Muslims. We can't just kill them all...can we?

What is the point of this question? Aren't you the same one who was vehemently arguing that we should all go out and immediately flush Korans down toilets?

I've noticed NiceLass' "newest" technique (as I have a sneaking suspicion she is a twice banned poster leaving comments under a different nic) is to ask questions in an attempt to draw people out who agree with her rather than state her deport them/kill them all beliefs openly.

234 pygmalienation  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 10:41:21am

re: #228 LC LaWedgie

Very interesting link, that gut definately 'gets it'! Thanks.

235 pygmalienation  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 10:41:59am

gut=guy PIMF

236 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 10:44:41am
237 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 10:46:18am
238 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 10:54:28am
239 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 11:03:26am

re: #233 Geepers

Definitely Eau de VFI/JustMyView

240 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 11:21:04am

"Tolerance and inclusion" My White Conservative ASS!
They must think we're ALL as Stupid as Jimmy Carter!

241 Ma Sands  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 11:29:01am

re: #222 J.S.

re: #217 Ma Sands

Yes, Mo borrows from different sources (Talmud, etc.) -- apparently from what he has heard told to him by others -- but some of his info is wrong or mixed up.

Understatement of the year.....or rather, of the past 1,700 years..... :)

242 Beobachter  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 11:36:38am

Thank you very much to all and everyone who has replied to my question in post #213. What I've learned here, thanks to you all, makes a lot of sense and explains very well, why they may appear to be so similar in the beginning.

Thanks a lot.

243 AZDave  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 11:38:46am
“MAS is not the Muslim Brotherhood,” Dr. Omeish said. The society “grew out of a history of Islamic activism in the U.S. when the Muslim Brotherhood once existed but has a different intellectual paradigm and outlook.”

Who's this guy trying to bullshit? The MSM?

244 AZDave  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 11:58:37am
A Swedish artist threatened with death over his drawing of Islam's Prophet Mohammad has been told by police he is no longer safe living at home.

Doesn't say much for the ability of the Swedish police to protect anyone.

245 J.S.  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 12:24:52pm

re: #241 Ma Sands

Yeah. I recall a quote from the text, "Why the Jews" (chapter 9 examines Islam and antisemitism), and the authors state: "One major factor that rendered Muhammad's prophetic claims untenable to Jews was his ignorance of the Bible. In large part because Muhammad never read the Bible, but only heard Bible stories, his references to the Bible were often erroneous. In Sura 28:38, for instance, he has Pharaoh (from Exodus) ask Haman (of the book of Esther) to erect the Tower of Babel (which appears at the beginning of Genesis)" (p. 113 by Dennis Prager and Joseph Telushkin). Such appalling ignorance, I guess, is somewhat amusing (?)....The authors also note that Mo may have been ridiculed for his ignorance, and this is why Mo turned against the Jews.

246 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 12:26:36pm

re: #233 Geepers

Also a similar m.o. in running off, and popping up on another thread oblivious to the fact the Lizards she didn't answer do not have memory holes, and when confronted on this she has the memory hole and puts on airs that she's the victim.

/What did you think of Mr. Holland's Opus?

247 samhein  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 12:29:48pm

re: #21 Ward Cleaver


“The Muslim community in America wishes to contribute positively to the continued success and greatness of our civilization,” Dr. Omeish said. “The ethics of tolerance and inclusion are the very tenets that MAS was based on from its inception.”

Hmm...I wonder which Quran he is reading. The one I've been going through says absolutely nothing about tolerance. Maybe they use another book....

248 Viper1  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 12:34:14pm

Oh for cryin out loud, why dont they stop flappin their gums and do something so we can commence to kickin the crap out of em.

249 Dustyvet  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 12:35:00pm

Merry Frigging Chistmas! The MSM has woke and smelled the coffee, it's about fooking time, eh?

250 LC LaWedgie  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 1:02:14pm

Holy Land trial closing arguments begin

Evidence showed that the foundation featured radical overseas clerics at fiery fundraisers all over the U.S. Money raised was sent to zakat, or charity committees in the Palestinian territories that had Hamas board members.

Mr. Jonas played videotapes found at the homes of accused co-conspirators and at the Holy Land offices in Richardson.

Mufid Abdulqader, a Holy Land organizer who was in a Palestian band frequently hired to perform at foundation functions, was in a skit in which he pretended to “kill” an Israeli on stage.

Another video featured Mohammad El-Mezain, the foundation’s original chairman and later endowments director, giving an impassioned speech about Palestinian's need for jihad in the fight against the Israelis at an Islamic rally in the U.S.

“The Intifada [Palestinian uprising] has risen so that the people as a whole return to Jihad and Palestine returns, from the river to the sea,” Mr. El-Mezain told the crowd, according to a government translation. “One may say, ‘You are dreaming.’ Today's dream is tomorrow's reality, brothers.”

251 PRCS  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 1:14:48pm

The article was rather informative.

I noted the following from Mahdi Bray:

""If those documents talk about the establishing of Shariah law in America, I'm saying that's a lot of hype: wishful thinking from an immigrant perspective. ...""

Wishful thinking. Muslim immigrants who dream of substituting our laws and way of life with the very same theocracies that oppress the third-world countries they fled.

Surely we should be able to ask them, before their arrival here, what place Shari'a law has--or ever should have--in America.

After all, they're asking permission to come here.

252 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 1:52:48pm

re: #212 TexasDude

One other thing ...

Rod Dreher is definitately not a conservative or Republican and I believe it would be hard to even define him as a libertarian.

True, Rod's come down with a raging case of BDS - he even quotes Sully quite a bit on his blog. He still fights a rhetorical battle against radical islam, but for the most part he's gone over to the dark side. He now opposes the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. What are we supposed to do? Hunker down here and wait for the next attack?

253 defender  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 5:44:41pm
"[Documents introduced include] abhorrent statements and are in direct conflict of the very principles of our Islam.”

Did anybody see a reference to where we can learn more about this thing called "our Islam"? Certainly there must be some mistaken identity between "our Islam" and that other thing called "Islam" for which we have the foundational sacred texts and 1400 years of bloody history to reference.

Perhaps there is a totally different belief system called "our Islam." If I Google "our Islam," perhaps I will find some sacred texts and 1400 years of happy, friendly, peaceful history of a belief system that we are confusing with "Islam." That must be it! That must explain all of these inconsistencies between what we know about "Islam" and what we hear about "our Islam." I'm sure everything will be OK.

/MSM impersonation

--------------

BTW, OT, (and maybe old news),

I just finished reading Sword of the Prophet by Trifkovic. I know, I am a bit behind on my reading list (it was published in 2002). A most excellent book, to include portions that expose some facts about my country that I am really ashamed of - namely, passive complicity in the Armenian Genocide carried out by the Turks.

254 Wookieelips  Mon, Sep 17, 2007 6:10:58pm

Awwww...When I was back home I read a good op-ed peice in the DMN about the palestinians not actually desiring a state, but only wanting to destroy one (Israel). I thought for a minute there they were going to head in the same kind of direction with this little jem.

Oh well.


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