Well we all know "Troofers" will believe anything but the truth

I read how this now gives credibility to The Lancet nonsense from last year.

This is hardly surprising...they cherry pick the few comments they can find out in the media that express their extreme views and play them off like they are indisputable fact.
Like when Greenspan said the Iraq war was strictly for oil. Looks like that has become their new rallying cry. I mean if Greenspan said it...it simply HAS to be true.

I hear the people at McDonald's are really pissed about being beaten out.

"Don't bother us with the truth," they say, "we haven't stopped shouting yet."

Oh, we can do better than that! How about... eleventy-six brazillion deaths? To the googleplex power!

I'm still trying to get through yesterday's Dkos Troofer rant, and now this?

God help me...

Kos melts down.

/get the popcorn

Well, the Lancet Kool-Aid has been out on the market for a while.... every once in a while, some Troofer idiot will find it again and think it's new.

They should get out of their mother's basement and smell the flowers every once in a while. Of course, that would expose them to sunlight, which could be bad for them....

Death count by poll? Excuse me?

What won't they believe?

*sigh* I can't believe we share the same air as these nutters.

When emotionalism runs rampant, facts become hurdles to clear or knock over.

I have it on good authority that since the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom, EVERY MAN, WOMAN AND CHILD IN IRAQ HAS BEEN KILLED, REVIVED, AND RE-KILLED, 878,576 TIMES.

They completely turn off their suspension of disbelief

That just made my head hurt...

If they are going to bitch and moan about that, they should also bitch and moan about how many people were killed under Saddams rule....that number is gonna be pretty damn high also.

re: #10 leepro

Death count by poll? Excuse me?

The respondents were also simultaneously registered as Democratic Party voters in Cook County, IL.

There was a wicked messenger, from Eli England he did come...

As has been said, the left is mentally ill.

re: #14 christheprofessor

They completely turn off their suspension of disbelief

That just made my head hurt...

I think it means that they turn on their belief.

i had heard the number was at least a gazillion dead.

are they trying to whitewash this with a claim of only 1.2 million?

re: #20 san_marco

I actually heard that half the Middle East had been killed by Blackwater...any truth to this?

Like I said in a thread last night, my moonbatty sister says that the war in Iraq is 100 times worse than 9/11 and we are the terrorists.

The look in her eyes when she makes this assertion is a look of almost frantic desperation.

I don't buy into the huge number of Iraqis living as refugees in Syria and Jordan that the msm so loves to trot out either.

How many millions have been killed by Communism, fascism, totalitarianism and Islamofascism over the past century?

At least 100 million. But these nitwits don't want to mention that.

"Billions & billions of Muslims killed... in trillions & trillions of Muslim holy places...by millions & millions of US soldiers..."

-Carl Sagan

OT

Just when things are starting to look good in Iraq.

So depressing.

So many people have died that even the pollster was killed.

They've killed people who aren't even dead yet.

JWM

BBC poll and results:

Were you killed in Iraq?

388,000 - Killed
210,000 - Mostly Killed
604,000 - Only Somewhat Killed
52,000 - Mostly Not Killed
15,000 - Not Killed

re: #22 Ringo the Gringo

I never understood the assertions made by some of these people...the US is not planting roadside bombs, we are not driving trucks full of explosives into marketplaces. We are trying to give the Iraqis a better life. Yea the US does some fu**ed up stuff over there, but it doesn't hold a candle to the amount of carnage that al qaeda and the death squads commit.

I heard eleventy-billion people have been killed in Iraq.

re: #22 Ringo the Gringo

do you hear the theme music from JAWS when she says these things?

re: #25 firebreather

LOL ...
You know if Sagan was still alive I can believe he'd actually be saying something like that ...

Was the poll conducted by the same group that says 70% of Americans want all US troops out of the ME now?

Why not got for the gold and make it 100,000 million. That would really get the lefties knickers in a knot.
(You know they want to believe it)

re: #31 Black George Bush

I heard eleventy-billion people have been killed in Iraq.

That was before this morning's update. There are more. Countless zillions more. It never ends.

JWM

They completely turn off their suspension of disbelief

Jihadi Prof update: Daily Kent Stater issues their cuddliest fatwa, evah!

Don't fear the religion, fear its extremists
[The Daily Kent Stater editorial board]

...Judaism, Christianity and Islam are considered to be Abrahamic religions, meaning they all have ties back to Abraham's covenant with God. Each, in one form or another, is based on love for Yahweh/God/Islam [sic], compassion for others, forgiveness and peace.

Yes, peace. Peace is a major part of any religion and conversely, religion is always a source of peace. Think about it. Not one of these actually comes out and blatantly says, "Go wage war" or "Go kill." People do.
=====
...Islam isn't scary-- it's loving and peaceful. People are scary.

Daily Stater invites your feedback here.

/dhimmitude on stilts!

In a follow-up to last week's landmark study that liberal brains are smarter than conservative brains, this week we see liberal brains correctly identifying up as down.

Liberal brains were also noted for their ability to make 2+2 equal anything they want, exhibiting a remarkable flexibility not noted in most conservative thinking processes....

Oh, yeah, right -- 1.2million!? The real number is somewhere on the order of 70,000 civilian deaths caused by combat, suicide bombers, and other "war" related deaths. That according to both AP and the UN. Really moonbat supporting organizations, but nothing near the ridiculous numbers posted by Lancet and these 'troofers.'

What do you expect? This is much of the same crowd who swallows the load for defense lawyers, but strains at every incident where a TASER is used on a freaked-out meth-head.

re: #25 firebreather

a billion here, a billion there. pretty soon, it adds up.

re: #33 turn

Carl had some wacky ideas of his own, but hopefully-- if he were alive-- he would not be a "troofer."

re: #33 turn,

Don't count him out just because he's dead. He might still say it. Kind of like the people voting in the dead poll.

re: #24 JammieWearingFool

How many millions have been killed by Communism, fascism, totalitarianism and Islamofascism over the past century?

At least 100 million. But these nitwits don't want to mention that.

And if you do mention it to them they will tell you that Stalin, Mao, Pol Pol and the rest were all really conservatives posing as Leftists.

They'll try to pin the crimes of Communism on the Right. It happens every time.

Of course they'll still defend Hugo Chavez and Castro.

How many Iranians, Saudis, Egyptians, palistinians, Lebanese, Syrians, Yemenis etc have been killed in Iraq?

So let's see, that means about 4-5% of the entire Iraqi population has been wiped, huh? And it took four years to notice? Something tells me if we left the reliability of estimation to the KKKoser's, the American death toll would have now surpassed Vietnam, maybe even WWII.

Not meaning to be skeptical or anything, and I sure don't want hurt the religious sensitivities of the KKKos Kidz, but that is approximately 30 times higher than even the U.N.'s highest estimates I've read.

Maybe we are witnessing the new math the public schools keep bragging about.

Okay, so let's take the discredited Lancet study, which already inflated the numbers based on sampling blunders, and double it?

Right. That's going to fairly represent what's going on in Iraq.

Note that hospitals in Baghdad are finding that they've got plenty of beds whereas a few months ago, they were overflowing with critical trauma. There are areas of Iraq that have been virtually pacified - see Totten reporting from Ramadi or Yon for more on that!

Yet, we're supposed to believe that millions are dead? Where are the bodies? Where are the graves? You'd think that someone might notice all those bodies piled up - most of all the Iraqis themselves? You'd think that perhaps the media that has fought the Administration tooth and nail and would jump at the opportunity to torpedo the Surge and US efforts overall by showing that the body count continues to fly?

This is nothing but agitprop and anti-US propaganda designed to weaken resolve and embolden the enemies of the Iraqis.

re: #36 JWM

re: #31 Black George Bush

I heard eleventy-billion people have been killed in Iraq.

That was before this morning's update. There are more. Countless zillions more. It never ends.

JWM

I think the 3,759,221st most holy site in islam was destroyed too.

re: #29 Know Your Enemy

BBC poll and results:

Were you killed in Iraq?

388,000 - Killed
210,000 - Mostly Killed
604,000 - Only Somewhat Killed
52,000 - Mostly Not Killed
15,000 - Not Killed

38 - Not quite dead yet, think I'll go for a walk

re: #37 Terp Mole

Ha....Islam is the religion of peace
It just mandates you slaughter all the unbelievers before the peace is visible

I'm glad that this poll is highly scientific.

and because most of those being killed are not great consumers of carbon based energy,....it is further throwing off the delicate balance of the earth and accelerating our global warming.......

re: #43 Iron Fist

I'm sure it was engraved on that gold record he sent out on Voyager too...

And don't forget that many measures of civilian casualties tend to count non-uniformed "insurgents."

re: #37 Terp Mole

Demonstrates that the asshat who wrote that piece of drivel never read the Qur'an and has not even a nodding acquaintance with Islam.

re: #19 Know Your Enemy

I think it means that they turn on their belief.

Yes, just took a bit of brain-twisting to parse...

And here I thought that the Sanctions killed everyone.

/while they were still children.

Does anyone weep for the 5.7 million Baghdad canines that have been crushed by sadistic Bradley drivers?

The US Army has been directly responsible for:

One mazllion, Bazllion, gazillion killed in Iraq
The 20 million dead during the siege of Leningrad
The defeat of the Spartans at Thermopolae
The Fall of Rome
The defeat of Napoleon at Waterloo
The assassination of Archduke Ferdinand
The Ukrainian Famine
The Irish Famine

Did I leave anything out?

It is all true, too. I heard it from a troofer, so it HAS to be true.

Pass the duct tape.

I'm wondering (aloud) if they've utilized the numbers of Iraqis who are buried in mass graves not of our making? There are a number of places one can go for legitimate stats. A DailyKOS poll wouldn't be one of them.

Next they'll charge that we've killed Brazillions in South America...

A representative sample of 1,461 adults 18 or older answered this question:

"Q: How many members of your household, if any, have died as a result of the conflict in Iraq since 2003 (i.e, as a result of violence rather than a natural death such as old age)? Please note that I mean those who were actually living under your roof."

Results:

None - 78%
One - 16%
Two - 5%
Three - 1%
Four or more - 0.002%

This looks like fuzzy math to me.

re: #59 bubbasbbq

They killed the poor little dinosaurs too.

How does:

None - 78%
One - 16%
Two - 5%
Three - 1%
Four or more - 0.002%

Equal

Detailed analysis (which is available on our website) indicates that almost one in two households in Baghdad have lost a family member

This makes absolutely NO SENSE.
If 78% said none how could they then say one in two households have lost a family member?

Jeez, I sure hope we didn't kill those cute little kite flying kids in Mikey the Toad's nice crockumentary 'bout peaceful, joyful, happy Iraq prior to our invasion!

re: #47 lawhawk

Where are the graves?

Simple, Beauchump will lead you to them ...

re: #53 turn

re: #43 Iron Fist

I'm sure it was engraved on that gold record he sent out on Voyager too...

Nope. The Bee Gees

re: #54 RememberSekhmet?

And don't forget that many measures of civilian casualties tend to count non-uniformed "insurgents."

Very true.

When you are fighting an insurgency, every enemy killed is counted as a civilian by the peace crowd.

re: #10 leepro

Death count by poll? Excuse me?

...And as we all know polls are always right.
/sarc

"respected British marketing research firm Opinion Research Business"

So that's how you get to be a respected marketing research firm! =D

re: #14 christheprofessor

They completely turn off their suspension of disbelief

That just made my head hurt...

Hillary used it last week during the Gen. Petraus hearings, at which point I looked it up because it sound sort of familiar. She cribbed it from elsewhere. It apparently dates back into the 1800s.

Well, we all know liberals and math don't go together.

Nick Brunetti-Lihach points out that in order for this death count to be true, there would have to be at least 668 deaths every single day since the Iraq war began

.
Facts, smatchs, 1.2 million sounds so right. Besides we all know the right wing MSM has been covering up for Bush from the beginning.

But I didn't have the salmon mousse.

re: #59 bubbasbbq

The US Army has been directly responsible for:

One mazllion, Bazllion, gazillion killed in Iraq
The 20 million dead during the siege of Leningrad
The defeat of the Spartans at Thermopolae
The Fall of Rome
The defeat of Napoleon at Waterloo
The assassination of Archduke Ferdinand
The Ukrainian Famine
The Irish Famine

Did I leave anything out?

It is all true, too. I heard it from a troofer, so it HAS to be true.

And all those places are in Iraq! If you have been taught otherwise you are being lied to by the Bushitler Cabal!

"Full Google of innocent Muslim babies murdered in Iraq by Zionist-backed, Halliburton-funded, Crusader-inspired US soldiers since war began..."

--NY Times headline, October 2nd, 2007

'Just Foreign Policy created an online and ongoing estimate that extrapolates from the Lancet study using the trend implied by the Iraq Body Count tally of deaths reported in the Western media. Our counter today stands at 1,044,607.'
// Robert Naiman

'My back of the envelope calculation puts the 95% confidence interval at 1.1-1.3 million. This seems consistent with the second Lancet study giving 600,000 violent deaths when you take into account the amount of time that has passed since then. The surveyors in this study did not verify the deaths by asking to see dath certificates, so this could bias the results upwards, but the experience in the two Lancet studies suggests that the great majority of people who report a death can verify with a death certificate.'
// Tim Lambert, Deltoid.

. Extrapolating from bullshit produces bigger and better bullshit.

for this death count to be true, there would have to be at least 668 deaths every single day since the Iraq war began.

Well, it sure as shit isnt because the jihadis aint trying!
If it were up to the left's Big Buddies several million kuffars would be dead.

bring out you dead!

im not quite dead yet, thankyou.....

OT very important. Make sure you call your senators TODAY regarding the Dream Act Amnesty (SA 2237). Here is a list of those that haven't committed to vote NO.
Alabama: Shelby
Alaska: Murkowski, Stevens
Arkansas: Pryor
Colorado: Allard
Georgia: Chambliss, Isakson
Idaho: Crapo
Indiana: Bayh
Iowa: Grassley, Harkin
Kansas: Brownback,Roberts
Kentucky: McConnell
Louisiana: Landrieu
Maine: Collins
Michigan: Stabenow
Minnesota: Coleman
Mississippi: Cochran
Missouri: Bond, McCaskill
Montana: Baucus, Tester
Nebraska: Nelson (Ben)
Nevada: Ensign
New Hampshire: Sununu
New Mexico: Bingaman, Domenici
North Carolina: Burr, Dole
North Dakota: Dorgan
Ohio: Brown, Voinovich
Oklahoma: Coburn
Oregon: Smith
South Carolina: DeMint
South Dakota: *Johnson, Thune
Tennessee: Alexander
Texas: Cornyn, Hutchison
Utah: Hatch
Vermont: Sanders
Virginia: Warner, Webb
West Virginia: Byrd, Rockefeller
Wyoming: Enzi, Barrasso

Posted this on the other thread. Sorry to repost, but I'm not sure how to link directly to this comment.

re: #59 bubbasbbq

You forgot the fall of the Han Dynasty.

how do you get a body count by poll?
Excuse Ahmed were you killed by Americans?
Yes the Crusaders are kill me.
Excuse me Fatima were you killed by Americans?
No, I are Honor Killed by my brother.
Uh, Couldn't the Americans have made him do it?
I suppose.
OK another yes

Not only that, but the overall, global mortality rate in Iraq is one hundred percent. Shocking!

Charles, I emailed this to you and posted last Friday, regarding the 1.2 million dead number. May I have a partial Hat tip here.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

"Muslim victims now number infinite..."

-Muslims/The Left

How many did Saddam, Uday, Qusay, and Chemical Ali count for?

I wish that the little kooky kult kommandante, or one of his psychophants, would conduct a poll on how many Jews died during the Holocaust.

Hunter? Meteor Blades? Kestrel? Line 1, please.

And they wonder why?

Poll results:
1,200,000 dead Iraqis
147% in favor of Hillary
Bush's approval rating -45%
Ron Paul

The numbers bandied about are stupid. Let's out-stupid them and agree that every single person who lives in Iraq, has lived in Iraq, will live in Iraq or has even heard of Iraq has been killed.

Twice.

re: #71 EC Marm

Interesting, thanks for the link. Does this mean that her new health plan isn't original too?

Okay, fine, 1.2 million killed, but was it done in a manner reminiscent of Jinjis Khan?

re: #63 Sharmuta

A representative sample of 1,461 adults 18 or older answered this question:
"Q: How many members of your household, if any, have died as a result of the conflict in Iraq since 2003 (i.e, as a result of violence rather than a natural death such as old age)? Please note that I mean those who were actually living under your roof."

Results:
None - 78%
One - 16%
Two - 5%
Three - 1%
Four or more - 0.002%

This looks like fuzzy math to me.

That sounds like the way NASCAR psot stats on a driver. They will list it this way
Wins - 1
Top 5's - 4
Top 10 - 5
Now looking at that you think the total is 10 but you are wrong, it is only 5. Every win is a top 5 and a top 10. Every top 5 is a top 10.
So if you ask people in a household how many have died and they first answer 1 and then 2 or you have many over the age of 18 all answering 1 there is no way to get an accurate number.

re: #56 christheprofessor
Go Apostate? ;)

re: #10 leepro

Death count by poll? Excuse me?

Hey, if it gives you the info you want, it's good enough.

/works for them, anyway...

Who pray tell, dear Western socialists, is responsible for all these deaths? The virulent anti-democracy forces in Iraq. Yes, the ones you call "freedom fighters." You ape their propaganda in movies, television, news, and in the classrooms. And those doing all they can to aid your friends are those Presidential candidate Kucinich considers his friends Syria and Iran.
So, why are you upset? Your heroes are doing the work you so support.

These are the same people who say Hitler either didn't kill any Jews (the Zionists did) or that Hitler only killed 1 to 3 million Jews and the Zionists have inflated the number.

I looked through the comments for a few minutes and I didn't find any that disputed the number; there were a couple that blamed the terrorists for much of it, but that was it. Weird.

Harry Reid believes the death-poll numbers

re: #91 Occasional Reader

"Raped & ravaged the countryside...." --John Kerry

Were they referring to the desired death toll of Al Qaeda?

re: #99 firebreather

re: #91 Occasional Reader

"Raped & ravaged the countryside...." --John Kerry

Were testicles attached to phone wires and cranked?

I, personally, killed about two dozen Iraqis while eating breakfast this morning. I plan to kill another 25 to 30 over lunch.

re: #98 nuke gingrich

He is one of the most pathetic excuses for a man and or a politician in history.

I put the death toll slightly lower at 1,135,432.06 from my calculations.

What makes the 'millions killed' argument so vapid is the question "if you believe that many people have been killed, who do you think killed them and why?" No one believes that US and British forces have killed more than a few thousand people, so this puts them in the position of having to admit the (supposed) killing is being done by people other than our armed forces in Iraq. This puts them in the position of having to explain why opposing forces in Iraq would want to kill millions of Iraqis.
The whole position is stupid, but enthusiastically grasped by those who believe that Bush = bad, killing = bad, so Bush = killing

Were testicles attached to phone wires and cranked?

/bet Charlie wished he had call waiting...

The "daily kos" kindergarten crew:
It`s my turn to say something stupid
No,it`s my turn
But you went first yesterday
But you aren`t as sensitive as I am,both my dad`s are liberals
But you said the world is flat and that`s not stupid
But I have on my "Che" t-shirt today
So,I have my MadelinAlbright marble set
I have my "peace scarf" and 600 millino dead in Iraq
I hate you...

re: #98 nuke gingrich

I like the pic...apropos

re: #101 Peacekeeper

re: #99 firebreather

re: #91 Occasional Reader

"Raped & ravaged the countryside...." --John Kerry

Were testicles attached to phone wires and cranked?

phone sex?....

re: #101 Peacekeeper

Yes, and the voltage was turned up, too....this after innocent livestock was shot & killed just for kicks.

re: #101 Peacekeeper

Were testicles attached to phone wires and cranked?

We only do that at parties.

re: #99 firebreather

And had someone put Band-Aids on their asses.

Can we have our own poll here on the actual number? It would be at least as scientific as the one above. Ron Paul could be included for the extra accuracy his name being added would imply.

Well, it IS hard to hear when one's head is firmly inserted into one's ass......

They are close to perfecting the bellybutton window so that the inflicted can see, but they are still years away from the Crainial Rectal Hearing-Aid.

re: #111 firebreather

this after innocent livestock was shot & killed just for kicks.

"... women, stampeded... and cattle, raped!"

re: #104 DistantThunder

I put the death toll slightly lower at 1,135,432.06 from my calculations.

...with 98% error bars.

I want to see the Dkos poll results on how many in Iraq will die as a consequence of a premature withdrawal.

Let me guess - minus eleventy million. The next CT at Dkos, negative life can exist.

re: #111 firebreather

re: #101 Peacekeeper

Yes, and the voltage was turned up, too....this after innocent livestock was shot & killed just for kicks.

Blew up bodies, burned huts, chopped off ears, laughed at Navy Officers with Boston accents, cut throats

re: #116 Occasional Reader

re: #111 firebreather

this after innocent livestock was shot & killed just for kicks.

"... women, stampeded... and cattle, raped!"

pull a number six on 'em.....

re: #105 GreenDroll

What makes the 'millions killed' argument so vapid is the question "if you believe that many people have been killed, who do you think killed them and why?" No one believes that US and British forces have killed more than a few thousand people, so this puts them in the position of having to admit the (supposed) killing is being done by people other than our armed forces in Iraq. This puts them in the position of having to explain why opposing forces in Iraq would want to kill millions of Iraqis.
The whole position is stupid, but enthusiastically grasped by those who believe that Bush = bad, killing = bad, so Bush = killing

Doesn't matter to them.
If Bushitler hadn't ILLEGALLY gone into Iraq, none of this would have happened! BREAKING: They would still be singing songs 'round the campfire! CHENEY IS THE EVIL PUPPETMASTER......gotta go....hear weird clicking noises on my phone.............

Yes, they ARE that stupid.

Well, Chuck Norris is in Iraq now, so no doubt a lot of people have dropped dead just by stepping on his shadow.

Fact: Each time you watch Delta Force, a terrorist dies.

Do they have a death tax? What are they doing with the revenue? Is this a government plot?

re: #102 Occasional Reader

That's nothing. 193 Iraqis die with each blink of my eyes. Still waiting for my very own fatwa.

OOps - I made a slight error - thats:

1,135,433.02 Iraqi deaths - not including those mass murders* by Saddam of women and children holding baby rattles.

(*You all remember those? The women and children were rounded up in buses, and shipped to the desert where they were lined up along trenches and shot in the back of the head - thousands of them.)

re: #65 ArmyAunt,

It's the new math.

re: #118 turn

I want to see the Dkos poll results on how many in Iraq will die as a consequence of a premature withdrawal.

Let me guess - minus eleventy million. The next CT at Dkos, negative life can exist.

That is their motive! No consequences for withdrawal from Iraq!, THEY ARE ALL DEAD ALREADY!

OR
The testicle jokes are putting our approval ratings in the crapper. Time to MoveOn.

I don't think so...

But what if there were that number killed because they were fighting us? Would that be wrong?

re: #98 nuke gingrich

Harry Reid believes the death-poll numbers

I used to think Reid was just stupid, now I realize that he is evil.

re: #126 Iron Fist

re: #65 ArmyAunt,

It's the new math.

Or the "special" math LOL.
They are insane over there!

there would have to be at least 668 deaths every single day since the Iraq war began

/man, being LLL must be a painful condition.

Theres one born every minute.
(No, P.T. Barnum didn't say it, but he should have)

re: #122 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Well, Chuck Norris is in Iraq now

Holy SHIITE!

What took him so long?! Well, anyway, he should this whole insurgency mess wrapped up by around suppertime.

I hope he packed extra socks for Iran.

re: #107 gibsonz

LOL

"Stray missile hits Baghdad cemetary-thousands dead"

-NYT

ive also heard we use gamma ray beams to sterilize the iraqi women for pre-emptive killing points in the hundreds of thousands...

re: #134 Occasional Reader

re: #122 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Well, Chuck Norris is in Iraq now

Holy SHIITE!

What took him so long?! Well, anyway, he should this whole insurgency mess wrapped up by around suppertime.

I hope he packed extra socks for Iran.

Chuck Norris doesn't need to wear socks - it's just the earth that needs that extra layer of cushioning.

I've been mostly dead all day. I will be dead for this poll.

Speaking of Dead Guys.

US airstrike kills Taliban leader

Officials in Afghanistan say that a Taliban commander behind the kidnapping of 23 South Koreans this summer was killed in US-led airstrikes. Mullah Abdullah Jan was among a dozen militants killed in the bombing that took place on Monday in Ghazni province. Neither the US military nor NATO's ISAF had an immediate comment. There have been several military operations in Ghazni since the release of the last of the captives on Aug. 30.

/Ah I love the smell of room temperature terrorist in the morning.

With that many dead people, I bet the suflaki stands are doing a booming business...

/the left is the ballerina of wrestling.

re: #116 Occasional Reader

"Genitals of the countryside lopped off, cattle stampeded, horses ravaged & raped..."

re: #137 bluegrass boy

ive also heard we use gamma ray beams to sterilize the iraqi women for pre-emptive killing points in the hundreds of thousands...

Those are Jewish death rays.

Actually, Charles, the average would not be 668 deaths per day. The person who did the estimate calculated it for 5 years of war but the war will not have lasted five years until March 2008. According to Coalition Casualties, there have been 1642 days since the war began so, using the poll numbers of 1,220,580 deaths, it would average to 743.35 deaths per day.

re: #136 Peacekeeper

"Stray missile hits Baghdad cemetary-thousands dead"

-NYT

rofl

re: #108 goodbye_natalie

re: #98 nuke gingrich
I like the pic...apropos

Quite good indeed!

re: #140 rab3

Officials in Afghanistan say that a Taliban commander behind the kidnapping of 23 South Koreans was killed in US-led airstrikes

Hope you enjoyed that ransom dough, Abdullah...

When did Chuck Norris arrive in Iraq?

Does anyone have a link to statistics on how many Saddam's regime killed over the course of its existence?

re: #142 firebreather

re: #116 Occasional Reader

"Genitals of the countryside lopped off, cattle stampeded, horses ravaged & raped..."

In a manner reminescent of Ricardo Montalban
[Link: imagecache2.allposters.com...]

They are probably just following a trusted source who is also publishing the article, the Hizb ut Tahrir website, Paki division. So they and the ones who want the caliphate are in complete agreement.

Warning: That link is to the political arm of Al Qaeda in Pakistan.

re: #147 Occasional Reader

re: #140 rab3

Officials in Afghanistan say that a Taliban commander behind the kidnapping of 23 South Koreans was killed in US-led airstrikes

Hope you enjoyed that ransom dough, Abdullah...

He will need it. He has 72 virgins to feed, and you know how they can eat.

Do women only count as half in this poll?

. Iran has offered to send in three divisions of Islamic Revolutionary Morticians.

The Kos Kidz must think we're at war with the Klingons or something....

/shaking_head

I heard the real truth from Carl this guy on the corner by my house that, EVERYONE in Iraq has already been killed and now they are going to bulldoze the whole place and put in a Walmart.

re: #140 rab3,

But by afternoon, they stink :-)

re: #153 bulwrk

Do women only count as half in this poll?

Only they have been sliced down the middle for improper dress, driving a car, going out in public with out their man..etc....

Just waiting for the 12Z model runs and lunch time to post about odds and probable strength of tropical cyclone of non-tropical origins likely to impact SE Louisiana/New Orleans area.

re: #144 Proud Kaffir

Actually, Charles, the average would not be 668 deaths per day. The person who did the estimate calculated it for 5 years of war but the war will not have lasted five years until March 2008. According to Coalition Casualties, there have been 1642 days since the war began so, using the poll numbers of 1,220,580 deaths, it would average to 743.35 deaths per day.

You realize that LGF will now be called a bunch of liars because the 668 is not true:)

re: #146 NoSubmission
I wonder if there would be a market for paintings of a political nature from the 'right' side. I love the Harry Reid as islamist and could actually see myself painting that and hanging it on one of my walls.

Well it gets worse. The remaining living population are all being forced to walk around with panties on their heads.
This is reminicient of Genghis khan.

Koskidz decide CNN isn't progressive enough, switch to Al Jazeera...
Aljazeera.com Covers More News Than CNN.com

I would recommend that if you use CNN as a default page, or create your own news paper that you RSS Feed from Al Jazeera because there is about three and a half times the journalism going on there.

Heh.

SHANGHAI, China (AP) - A typhoon expected to be the most powerful storm to hit China in a decade churned toward the densely populated coast on Tuesday with 165 mph wind gusts, and the government evacuated 1.6 million people.
The fringes of Typhoon Wipha lashed northern Taiwan, where schools, offices and the stock market closed. A construction worker was killed when the storm's winds knocked down scaffolding, Taiwan's Disaster Relief Center said.

City authorities ordered schools closed Wednesday in Shanghai, a city of more than 20 million and China's financial hub. Chinese state-run television showed families being evacuated from their fishing boats and other vessels. Shopkeepers stacked sand bags to prevent flooding as drains clogged amid torrential rains.

The typhoon, whipping up waves up to 36 feet high, was moving northwest toward the Chinese mainland. Weather reports forecast it would make landfall south of Shanghai early Wednesday morning.

Wipha, a woman's name

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

And now that Chuck Norris is in Iraq, these numbers are going to SKYROCKET.

re: #160 Eowyn2

re: #144 Proud Kaffir

Actually, Charles, the average would not be 668 deaths per day. The person who did the estimate calculated it for 5 years of war but the war will not have lasted five years until March 2008. According to Coalition Casualties, there have been 1642 days since the war began so, using the poll numbers of 1,220,580 deaths, it would average to 743.35 deaths per day.

You realize that LGF will now be called a bunch of liars because the 668 is not true:)

I smell smoke, is someones pants on fire.

/sarc

Planned Parenthood has branches in Iraq. Who knew?

re: #91 Occasional Reader

Okay, fine, 1.2 million killed, but was it done in a manner reminiscent of Jinjis Khan?

It was done by indiscriminately air-raiding innocent villages of men, women, children and cuddly kittens and puppies.

"What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind
is being very wasteful. How true that is."
-- Vice President Dan Quayle

re: #84 rab3

Charles, I emailed this to you and posted last Friday, regarding the 1.2 million dead number. May I have a partial Hat tip here.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

/No Hat tip for ray, he slinks away quietly.

re: #165 Occasional Reader

Chuck Norris didn't go to Iraq, Iraq went to Chuck Norris.

I thought we were only going in at night to terrorize women and children?

Ugh! The Koskidz had a diary up about the vandalism at the Vietnam memorial with 180 komments but they deleted it the second I clicked on it. Did anyone see it?

re: #153 bulwrk

Do women only count as half in this poll?

Excellent question! Since the poll was run by the Brits and the question phrased "members of your household" I'd guess yes, but it depends on the household and what the head man thinks.

For example- I'm not sure if a woman locked in purdah is a member of the household. Death by purdah would not apply to this poll, though.

The poll also questioned the surviving relatives on the method in which their loved ones were killed. It reveals that 48% died from a gunshot wound, 20% from the impact of a car bomb, 9% from aerial bombardment, 6% as a result of an accident and 6% from another blast/ordnance.

That evil Bushitler is responsible for every automobile accident in Iraq. Using that method, how many people has Bushitler killed on US roadways during the same time period?

re: #162 opnion
Gengis wasn't so bad, at least according to this book.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
I didn't read it, but I saw the author speak on C-Span.

How do you poll a dead person? What will those amazing Brits invent next?

Also, since the same Palestinian woman can be seen wailing in front of burned-out wreckage hundreds of miles apart within minutes, I'm wondering if they're counting bodies two-seven-eight-forty times each.

Let's ask Islamic Rage Boy. He seems to show up repeatedly...

***and I mean no disrespect to my Iraqi brothers and sisters who have actually lost their lives in this struggle. I only disrespect those who are counting alleged deaths and misreporting them to the world.

I found an article talking about Dinnerjackets' visit to the UN next week. Here is the part I liked.

Mr. Romney last year refused to assign a police escort to Mr. Ahmadinejad's predecessor, Mohammed Khatami, when he visited Harvard University for a speaking engagement. On the day Mr. Ahmadinejad is due to arrive, September 24, members of the U.S. Marine Corps will flood Midtown. A spokesman said their presence was not timed to coincide with his arrival. The Marines are filming an advertising campaign in Times Square to boost recruitment and will be performing silent drills, according to the Marines Web site.

re: #174 Sharmuta

Sorry- I meant the women not be counted as half.

re: #149 Deafdog

No. They haven't uncovered all the mass graves yet.

Moonbats do not do anything for fun. Therefore the inflationary numbers are for a reason.

I believe there is a numerical goal for the inflationary numbers.

6,000,000

Why.

It would prove to the world that the Jews, with the aid of the US Jewish lobby is responsible for a genocidal holocaust greater than any ever known to mankind (or animal kind.)

We cannot just laugh these ludicrous numbers away folks.

re: #143 Eowyn2

Those are Jewish death rays.

IDF death rays

re: #168 Alouette

re: #91 Occasional Reader

Okay, fine, 1.2 million killed, but was it done in a manner reminiscent of Jinjis Khan?

It was done by indiscriminately air-raiding innocent villages of men, women, children and cuddly kittens and puppies.

puppies? the islamists don't care about puppies!

re: #177 cosmo

How do you poll a dead person?

Psychic pollsters.

re: #173 Killgore Trout

Ugh! The Koskidz had a diary up about the vandalism at the Vietnam memorial with 180 komments but they deleted it the second I clicked on it. Did anyone see it?

It's showing up in Google:
Defacing the Viet Nam Memorial In Washington DC
23 minutes ago by Daily Kos
I just read that someone sprayed some kind of oil all along the Viet Nam memorial wall in DC before the 11 September "Peace March". I saw the picture and the oil penetrated the memorial and defaced it possibley permanantly. ...
Daily Kos - [Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Looks like the diarist needs some help with his spielin'

re: #184 zmdavid

You don't. You channel them.

Great Sport's moments:

"This is Gregoriava from Bulgaria. I saw her snatch this morning during her warm up and it was amazing." ~ Weightlifting commentator at the Olympic Snatch and Jerk Event:

re: #81 Black George Bush

re: #59 bubbasbbq

You forgot the fall of the Han Dynasty.

Not to mention the Lincoln assination, the Hindenberg disaster, and the 1968 "Heidi" game :-)

re: #173 Killgore Trout

i only heard about this on the g. gordon liddy show....has it been covered anywhere?

re: #1 Sizzlack

Well we all know "Troofers" will believe anything but the truth

Being a troofer never means having to say your sorry....er...look into anything that challenges their world view....

Iraq body count, a lib site that has always "felt" like the count was high lists 72,500-79,000 civilian deaths since the beginning of hostilities. Their methodology is pretty sound if a little credulous for my taste.

I wonder how many of the dead Iraqis will end up voting for Hillary?

re: #189 phoenixgirl

Check out Michelle Malkin's page...she has been covering it since it happened.

Stop the presses! More groundbreaking scientific research--

Study: People like to look at good-looking people

Who knew?

re: #193 inldad67

thanks, i'll check it out...

re: #191 billhedrick

"felt" the count was high? Is that like 90 degrees out but "feels" like 91?

re: #173 Killgore Trout

No. And I could care less what those AssHats think about it. I've heard so many different stories about it that I'm beginning to think that nobody knows or cares. After all, we were all BabyKillers weren't we?

First I heard it was defaced. Then I heard it was a 'cleaning accident'. Then I heard that was retracted. Then it was the Nurses Memorial that was also defaced.

The story has taken on a life of its own.

re: #192 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I wonder how many of the dead Iraqis will end up voting for Hillary?

About the same number who contribute to her campaign.

There are legitimate reasons for opposing current strategy vis Islam.

Unfortunately, Democrats/leftists have gone insane, and are incapable of articulating them.

re: #185 EC Marm

I suspect there was too much support for the vandalism and they deleted it.

Cartoonist shrugs at Islamic death threat: ‘It’s good to know how much one is worth’

Mr Vilks, who lives in an isolated area of Sweden, has been given police protection. He said: “I suppose you could say I was an easy target. But I am not paranoid. I think I possess a healthy rationality; I know that there are some risks involved but one should not exaggerate them either.”

But he added: “We must not give in. I’m starting to grow old. I could die at any time — it’s not a catastrophe.”

/Brave man.

In case your curious, Iraq Body Count, and anti-war group, has been keeping accurate numbers,

Total civilian death from violence: 72,596 – 79,187

The vast majority of these civilian death were caused by insurgents, death squads, criminal murders or terrorists attacks. Iraq Body Count has thoroughly rejected the Lancet Studies on "projected casualties" as unscientific and unsubstantiated by facts.

re: #198 Cap'n DOC

There are also pics at MM's site...it was the Vietnam Memorial.

re: #175 Proud Kaffir

The poll also questioned the surviving relatives on the method in which their loved ones were killed. It reveals that 48% died from a gunshot wound, 20% from the impact of a car bomb, 9% from aerial bombardment, 6% as a result of an accident and 6% from another blast/ordnance.

That evil Bushitler is responsible for every automobile accident in Iraq. Using that method, how many people has Bushitler killed on US roadways during the same time period?

48% died from a gunshot wound - Achmed shot Aabed while cleaning his rifle

2% from the impact of a car bomb - Muman didnt get out of the car on time

9% from arial bombardment - back in 2003

6% as a result of an accident - Simba wouldnt have been driving to the playground if it was safe to walk

6% from another blast/ordnance - the bomb went off in the basement and killed the entire family. Should this be posted under arial bombardment

re: #197 song_and_dance_man,

Miss Cleo, hell! John Edwards is on the case!

re: #189 phoenixgirl

Michelle Malkin had a lot of coverage. I haven't been following the story.

re: #182 Alouette

Here's a much more subtle Israeli death ray.

Sen. Harry Reid on the supposed death toll.

"Nothing has changed since the surge started. Today, now we learn that 1 million Iraqis have been killed since the war started. A million."

"felt" in the sense that I can not document that their count is high, it simply seems to take reports on face value. As we know often times there are reports of 20 civilians dead that end up as 3 terrorists killed. I can not say that they take the first report on face value as a rule but I have seen it done in the past.

re: #201 Killgore Trout

I suspect there was too much support for the vandalism and they deleted it.

I agree, that's why I thought I'd look for it. If Chen was around he could probably tell us how to find it. Probably by diarists name or something.

This Kos Kid also fails to recognize that most of the deaths in this astronomical figure are Iraqis being killed by other Iraqis

re: #186 Cap'n DOC

Don't give them any ideas!

On second thought, we could start saying things like, "Have you consulted the Akashik (not quite sure I've got that right) Archives?" and other things based on spiritualist crankery.

Heck, I could drag out my Madame Blavatsky and really get twisted. Or would that be too unkind, even to Kos kids?

re: #178 Just_A_Grunt

I found an article talking about Dinnerjackets' visit to the UN next week. Here is the part I liked.

Mr. Romney last year refused to assign a police escort to Mr. Ahmadinejad's predecessor, Mohammed Khatami, when he visited Harvard University for a speaking engagement. On the day Mr. Ahmadinejad is due to arrive, September 24, members of the U.S. Marine Corps will flood Midtown. A spokesman said their presence was not timed to coincide with his arrival. The Marines are filming an advertising campaign in Times Square to boost recruitment and will be performing silent drills, according to the Marines Web site.

Paris Island in Midtown? Cool

re: #212 EC Marm
here's where it used to be.....
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/18/111952 /204

written by Doc Wright

Looks like they stuffed it down the memory hole.

re: #203 Kenneth

Total civilian death from violence: 72,596 – 79,187

Wait, the total is a range of roughly six thousand?

Speaking of polls now we know the reason behind the recent AQ media blitz -- Bin's been sagging.

Well, since the Muslims procreate like bunnies on viagra, it is true!

I heard from someone high up with the RNC, that it really is more in the neighborhood of 6 million trillion Muslims killed. And that's just since last Thurs!

Greatest sports quotes:

Frank Layden, former Utah Jazz coach to a former star player: “Son, what is it with you. Is it ignorance or apathy?'

Former NBA star and current KKKos statistician: "Coach, I don't know and I don't care.”

re: #215 Eowyn2

re: #178 Just_A_Grunt

I found an article talking about Dinnerjackets' visit to the UN next week. Here is the part I liked.

Mr. Romney last year refused to assign a police escort to Mr. Ahmadinejad's predecessor, Mohammed Khatami, when he visited Harvard University for a speaking engagement. On the day Mr. Ahmadinejad is due to arrive, September 24, members of the U.S. Marine Corps will flood Midtown. A spokesman said their presence was not timed to coincide with his arrival. The Marines are filming an advertising campaign in Times Square to boost recruitment and will be performing silent drills, according to the Marines Web site.

Paris Island in Midtown? Cool

Romney's Letter: Ban And Indict Ahmadinejad

To His Excellency Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon,

With the disturbing news that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmandinejad is planning to address the United Nations General Assembly next week, I call on the United Nations to revoke any invitation to President Ahmadinejad to address the General Assembly. The only way he should be greeted in the United States is with an indictment under the Genocide Convention.

The Iranian regime under President Ahmadinejad has spoken openly about wiping Israel off the map, has fueled Hezbollah’s terror campaign in the region and around the world, and defied the world community in its pursuit of nuclear weapons – capabilities that make these threats even more ominous. As General Petraeus testified last week, Iran is also supporting Shia militia extremists and violence that is taking the lives of American soldiers and undermining the Iraqi government.

A failure by the United Nations to take a strong stand against Iran’s President Ahmadinejad would be especially disturbing given the United Nations’ record of failure to prevent genocide in other circumstances and the failure of the United Nations Human Rights Council to confront the Iranian regime and others among the world’s worst human rights abusers. Failure to act would mean that the United States must reconsider its level of support and funding for the United Nations as we look to rebuild and revitalize effective international partnerships to meet 21st century threats.

If President Ahmadinejad sets foot in the United States, he should be handed an indictment under the Genocide Convention. This approach has been called for by experts as diverse as Nobel Prize Winner Elie Wiesel, human rights advocate and former Canadian Justice Minister Irwin Cotler, U.S. Ambassador John Bolton and law professor Alan Dershowitz.

The United States and the world must take a strong stand against the terrorist Iranian regime and the time for action is now.

Sincerely,

Mitt Romney

re: #203 Kenneth

In case your curious, Iraq Body Count, and anti-war group, has been keeping accurate numbers,

Total civilian death from violence: 72,596 – 79,187

The vast majority of these civilian death were caused by insurgents, death squads, criminal murders or terrorists attacks. Iraq Body Count has thoroughly rejected the Lancet Studies on "projected casualties" as unscientific and unsubstantiated by facts.

I asked this before, but I'll try one more time. In the 1,000 days proceeding the invasion, how many did the Saddam regime execute as a course of their normal operations? Does anyone have a link for any statistic like that.

. Let's not forget the hundreds of Iraqis at the Bureau of Statistics, crushed by falling piles of death certificates.

re: #218 Thanos

Speaking of polls now we know the reason behind the recent AQ media blitz -- Bin's been sagging.

Osama `sidelined` within Al-Qaida, Zawahiri takes control: Report

London, Sept 16: Osama bin Laden has been sidelined by his followers and has no longer any control over the al Qaeda terror network, according to intelligence officials in Britain and the US. Instead, his deputy Ayman al Zawahiri has seized control and rebuilt the terror network into an organisation capable of launching complex attacks in Britain and America

If it'd make them come to their senses, I'd suggest a counter poll asking whether or not Moonbats should be drafted.

But they'd realize the sudden hypocrisy of that while utterly ignoring their own.

Gotta love biased people.

re: #203 Kenneth

The US - CID investigates every unnatural death they find out about in Iraq. The terrorists know this and many of those bombs (I dont know the percentages) are set off to bring US soldiers to the scene so snipers can kill them. There are false reports all of the time just to get the soldiers into the streets.

re: #224 rab3
Flatlined, not sidelined.

re: #71 EC Marm

Yes, but I thought she said "willful suspension of belief" (I may be just remembering it the way it should have been stated rather than the way she stated it)....

re: #227 zmdavid

re: #224 rab3
Flatlined, not sidelined.

I with you there.

re: #196 inldad67

re: #191 billhedrick

"felt" the count was high? Is that like 90 degrees out but "feels" like 91?

its the wind chill factor - wind heat factor in summer

re: #217 Dianna

An error range of 6000, or +/-3000 is quite reasonable for an average figure of 76,000 (+/- 4%). Curiously, the data at IBC used to include breakdowns for who caused the deaths (ie. US troops or insurgents). They claim to collect that data, but it does not seem to be presented anywhere. My guess is they grew tired of having people point out that the vast majority of civilian deaths was being caused by terrorists & sectarian militias, not the US & Coalition forces.

Hey football fans! Jason Elam of Denver Broncos has written a novel mixing football and jihad.

Check it out:

CAROL STREAM, Ill., Sept. 18 /PRNewswire/ -- Denver Broncos place
kicker and two-time Super Bowl Champion Jason Elam and writing partner Steve Yohn, a Denver-area pastor, will release their first novel Monday Night Jihad ($19.99 hardcover) in January 2008. Published by Tyndale House ([Link: www.tyndale.com),...] the thriller combines two passions of the American culture: the excitement of professional football and the intrigue of a spy adventure.

Elam and Yohn have crafted a story that takes an insider's view of
football and blends it with an effort to thwart a terrorist plot. The duo
leans heavily on Elam's fifteen years of experience in the NFL to create
the realistic backdrop of professional sports. Yohn and Elam, both
Christians, have woven elements of their faith into the story, providing
insight into the some of the central conflicts between Christianity and
radical Islam.

"Having competed against Elam for a number of years on the football
field I've gotten to know him as a talented kicker and a great person,"
said Tony Dungy, head coach of the Indianapolis Colts and author of
Tyndale's #1 NY Times bestseller Quiet Strength. "He has stretched that description to include talented writer."

"The genesis of Monday Night Jihad goes back almost ten years," says Elam. "My brother kept a journal of all the crazy football stories I'd told him over the years. About a year-and-a-half ago, I began to think what if I was able combine all those quirky stories with a terrorist element to create an action-adventure story. Through this story, I want to bring out why people of strong conviction do what they do."

These are McDonalds statistics: over 50 billions served!

re: #214 Dianna

Channeling is every bit as useful as Wishful Thinking, which is where these numbers came from anyway. You can't give these AssHats ideas which they already claim to be their very own.

re: #228 christheprofessor

Clinton declared that she must engage in “willing suspension of disbelief” in order to put any stock in his thorough report to Congress. In other words, she called him a liar.

[Link: www.news-register.net...]
It was seared, I say seared into my memory. Somewhere in the back of my brain I had recalled seeing it before and knew she hadn't penned that herself. Apparently, she had the quote all researched and waiting for the General.

re: #45 PeacekeeperObviously not enough.

There are lies, damned lies and statistics. These are damned lies, but they're faulty on the face, even if treated as statistics. Given the percentage breakdown, as sampled, you'd have one family death for every 32.171 people sampled. For there to be 1.2 million dead, the Iraqi population, over the age of 18, would have to be 38.6 million. The CIA Factbook gives a July, 2007 total population estimate of 24 million. Google concurs with the number on their Nationmaster site. I guess the question should be where the moonbats are hiding those extra 14.6 million Iraqis. Plus, their children.
Garbage in, garbage out, as they say.

Hell, just have Kos poll their registered members, that would be just as accurate.

I've seen far too much information twisted to match the desired result to believe this BS "Scientific Study"

Look closely at the polls results:

None - 78%
One - 16%
Two - 5%
Three - 1%
Four or more - 0.002%

78 percent have not experienced any deaths -- which is quite good considering the way the MSM spins the issue -- they make it seem like it's impossible to live there without experiencing death. Gosh, it's impossible to live here without experiencing death! Don't believe me? Live in Compton for a few days.

The upside to all these crystal ball induced numbers and there is an upside from the gloom and doom bunch is that Iraq is doing their bit to curb world over-population and Gorebal Warming.
With the world population over 6.7 billion it is safe to say that trimming the fat and culling for population control is necessary.
Time to dig out my Reflex Ridgeline 34 compound bow and crank Ted Nugent's 'Fred Bear' on my car stereo.

Some questions for kos kiddies from somebody who knows who is doing the killing.

A prominent Saudi cleric once praised by Osama bin Laden has published an open letter condemning Al Qaeda's violence.

In the long letter published on an Arabic Web site, Cleric Salman al-Awdah calls on Mr. bin Laden to end the killing of innocent Muslims and others in terrorist acts in Iraq and elsewhere around the world.

"How much blood has been spilt? How many innocent people, children, elderly, and women have been killed, dispersed, or evicted in the name of Al-Qa'ida?" the letter says. "My brother Usama Bin Ladin, the image of Islam today is not at its best."

re: #226 Eowyn2

Good point. I sited Iraqi Body Count because they are a civilian organization (in the UK) which is strongly anti-war. Even so, their figures are dramatically lower than the usual absurd numbers quoted by moonbats and senators from Nevada. IBC numbers are 76,000, +/- 4%. Harry Reid quoted "1 million". Assuming the same error range of 4%, that makes an error range of 80,000 deaths, a figure greater than the total IBC number. This discrepancy cannot be explaned as a difference of method, or due to overlooked numbers, or anything other than fraud. The The claim of 1 million deaths is simply a lie.

By the way, the number killed wouldn't matter one bit. If it was 100 or 1, they would still be screaming just as loud. They just love to disagree.

"Me thinks thou doth protest too much"

Perfectly possible. You have 20-some million Iraqis. Even if the average age is on the low end, there have to be some old people. Given 4 years, something like 80 million man-years will have gone by. If every Iraqi gets 80 and then passes on, that's 1 million who die in that time span.

Oh, they meant civilian deaths due to the war? But when Grandmother gets the flu at 92 and gradually fades away, it's Buuuush. If not for the war, she'd have pulled through.

For that matter, is it really our fault when Sunni and Shia settle scores in the traditional and time-honored fashion of the Culture Of Peace? The only relevant number would be civilians, genuinely civilians rather than weapons-bearing jihadis out of uniform, killed by U.S. bombs, artillery, and gunfire. These would number in the hundreds, unfortunately. And most of those would have been held as human shields by the jihadis, rather than civilians going about their daily lives unmolested by insurgents, when suddenly a bomb went astray and struck them down.

If you don't believe this figure you're a denier of some kind.

Kos is surrounded by morons. Whatever.

re: #239 Richard Romano

But it then went on to say that ONE IN TWO households lost a family member.
That just doesn't add up!

re: #247 ArmyAunt

Sure it does. One victim is 4 person's father, 1 person's son, 6 person's uncle, and so on. That poll wouldn't pass muster at a high school poli-sci class.

re: #24 JammieWearingFool

They'd mention it if they could figure out a way to blame GWB for all of them.

re: #248 markie

One tell-tale sign the "survey" is bogus is the high percentage of people who claim their family member was "killed by a bomb from an F16"... literally tens of thousands use the same phrase.

So they saw the F16, and the bomb falling? Sure.

How do you calculate deaths by a poll? Call people and if no one answers that means they're dead? That might explain why their numbers are so high.

re: #251 csa945
They visited homes and aksed people if they had a family member who was killed. Then they took the results from the small sample & projected it for the whole population. The method has been thoroughly trashed by their collegues in the social sciences.

re: #252 Kenneth

re: #251 csa945

They visited homes and aksed people if they had a family member who was killed. Then they took the results from the small sample & projected it for the whole population. The method has been thoroughly trashed by their collegues in the social sciences.

That "family member" could very well be a third cousin twice removed, who was also "family member" of 15 other people they polled.

Hmmmm.....speaking of statistics, here's one: there are over 6,000 deaths per day across Africa, from A.I.D.S.

re: #29 Know Your Enemy

ron paul

re: #30 Sizzlack

re: #22 Ringo the Gringo

I never understood the assertions made by some of these people...the US is not planting roadside bombs, we are not driving trucks full of explosives into marketplaces. We are trying to give the Iraqis a better life. Yea the US does some fu**ed up stuff over there, but it doesn't hold a candle to the amount of carnage that al qaeda and the death squads commit.

I don't agree. we are not doing anything worse over there more than your average group of 160,000 people. Actually, I would say, far less. The few, reported incidents, and I assure you, every incident makes it into the news, is far less than what you would expect out of your average American Town or City. Its just that the whole country hears about it. (excuse the excessive comma use)

Listen to this buffoon who can't do some simple multiplication in his head:

"Also a small caveat ... (2+ / 0-)
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That in a society of extended families, some people may ignore the "under one roof" and count loved ones who lived down the street, or whatever.

No count of this sort can be remotely precise; all it can do is confirm some sense of the magnitude of horror. A super simplistic estimate based on 100 or so killed each day in Baghdad - pretty much what we hear on cable news - multiplied by the whole country for 5 years also comes to a million or so dead.

For things like this you won't get 4-digit precision, nor do you really need it.

The best fortress is to be found in the love of the people - Niccolo Machiavelli

by al Fubar on Fri Sep 14, 2007 at 03:28:15 PM PDT

[ Parent ]"

Um, apparently it's too complicated for this Kossack to do 'super simplistic' math. What a complete moron. To think that his vote counts as much as mine. I'm insulted. Anyone care to inform him that he is out by a complete order of magnitude?

re: #53 turn

re: #43 Iron Fist

I'm sure it was engraved on that gold record he sent out on Voyager too...

I think he might have programed Voyager to crash into the WTC.

re: #67 turn

re: #47 lawhawk

Where are the graves?

Simple, Beauchump will lead you to them ...

He can't, the army has brain washed him so that he is unable to dial the number to TNR from the Morale and Cell phones he is free to use.

The fatality rate of civilians killed in Iraq is 100%

re: #149 Deafdog

Does anyone have a link to statistics on how many Saddam's regime killed over the course of its existence?

I found this link. can't vouch for it authenticity, but initially, it looks good. I get that only from what is on their website.

[Link: www.iraqfoundation.org...]

Nothing about recent killings in the past 1000 days, though.

re: #181 Eowyn2

Excellent point.

Kos should put up some golden arches on his site with a "over 4 billion lies sold" sign

re: #43 Iron Fist

re: #33 turn,

Don't count him out just because he's dead. He might still say it. Kind of like the people voting in the dead poll.

Absolutely! I mean, he's only been dead once, right? There's hope yet.

Why not just start making up your own numbers now? 1.2 Million... Let's just claim 1.2 trillion...

These people are absolute idiots. They'd believe anything, no matter how ridiculous or stupid.