Some people with more time:

wasn't the ACLU established by Communists who wanted to use America's own legal system and Constitution to destroy the country as a capitalist democratic republic?

Hell has frozen over

Brazen - that ain't no joke! When will our government wake up? Before it's too late?

re: #1 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Some people with more time:

wasn't the ACLU established by Communists who wanted to use America's own legal system and Constitution to destroy the country as a capitalist democratic republic?

Yes, it's well documented.

CAN you sue the FBI? What's the LAW about turning over records such as these?

Good lord.

CAIR & the ACLU should just merge.

Their goals are identical: The destruction of the United States.

Public enemies 1 and 1A.

"...on their religious practices..."?

Oh, you mean FBI investigates them for their hatred, murder, racism, dismemberments, beheadings, female genital mutilation ...

...and other religious practices?

A terrorist group and a traitorous left org. against the FBI? The FBI will wipe the floor with them. I am outraged.

I bet they would have sued to have the FBI turn over their surveillance of Nazis.

re: #1 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Some people with more time:

wasn't the ACLU established by Communists who wanted to use America's own legal system and Constitution to destroy the country as a capitalist democratic republic?

CAIR: established by CommunistsIslamists who wanted to use America's own legal system and Constitution to destroy the country as a capitalist democratic republic

Release it all. Let America know what all these asshats are doing.

The ACLU will be the death of us all

So I can fire an FOIA request to DoD for stuff like the B-2's blueprints or new laser cannons?

One plaintiff, Shakeel Syed, said that his organization and others have spent three years building a relationship with infiltrating the FBI but that the agency’s resistance to the request was troubling.

There, fixed.

Is it just me, or are the hamsters incredibly sluggish today?

It took me 2 minutes to load the front page, almost 5 minutes to load the previous thread...

No other sites seem affected.

they’re concerned there might be a disproportionate focus ... on their religious practices

I wonder why?

This thread seems to load fine though...

#7 firebreather

CAIR & the ACLU should just merge.

They have through leadership.

Notice they support the establishment of Islam as the state religion in the Ninth Circuit.

Aren't there laws in place regarding the release of information in an ONGOING investigation?

"The FBI responded to the request first by saying it couldn’t identify any records that met the criteria requested"

Avast ye maties! Shiver me timbers!

“It sends a message that Muslim-Americans have been, and continue to be, cooperating with law enforcement, but they’re concerned there might be a disproportionate focus ... on their religious practices,” said Ranjana Natarajan, an ACLU attorney.

Well gee...maybe if your 'religious practices' didn't involve blowing up women and children or cutting off the heads of helpless captives simply because they won't practice your religion...then you wouldn't be under all this surveillance.

Bunch of tools...

The Muslims are "concerned there might be a disproportionate focus...on their religious practices."

You mean the ones where imams call for war against the infidels, overthrowing western civilization, death to Israel, death to the US, etc.?

Picky, picky, picky.

"religious practices" -- read: Sixth Pillar of Islam: jihad.

re: #17 Pro-Bush Canuck

Is it just me, or are the hamsters incredibly sluggish today?

It took me 2 minutes to load the front page, almost 5 minutes to load the previous thread...

No other sites seem affected.

They were tased yesterday.

re: #17 Pro-Bush Canuck

Don't know about the front page, but even with a pipe the size of mine (snicker,snicker), once a thread goes over 500 comments it does indeed take awhile.

It's things like this is why the FBI in Minneapolis did not check the computer of the...was it the "11th hijacker", the one that was caught in flight school before 9/11. They were too scared. And the result was 3,000 Americans murdered.

This is why elections matter. You vote Democrat, you vote for a system that supports what the ACLU is able to do. See 9th circuit.

Traitors!

Whenever I see ACLU petitioners in the streets who ask me to sign or donate, I retort, 'ABSOLUTELY NOT'!

Aarrr, these here muslim's are an unruley group. We be watchin' em mightly close.

"
...have reason to believe they have been investigated by the FBI since January 2001."

And that "reason" would be that they've been up to no good. Sounds like an admission of guilt to me.

come clean and be transparent and forthright,” said Syed, executive director of the Islamic Shura Council of Southern California. “This is a credibility issue.”

Oh the irony.

Lawfare

The Brave New America, circa 2020, thanks to CAIR-ACLU:

Clitorectomies are in, as is child rape & consensual sex with select animals.

Conservative talk radio is banned, as are synagogues & churches.

Compulsory mosque attendance is in, as is Muslim school prayer.

Freedom of inquiry is out.

Sha'ria is in, of course.

The ACLU is against random bag searches in the subways, while they conduct mandatory bag searches in the lobby of their Manhattan headquarters.

I think that as long as it doesn't jeopardize current investigations I think it would be a great idea for the FBI to release tapes and transcripts of CAIR officials and Imams. I'm all for it.

This could be the wurst news of the day.

Breaking News: Explosion in Beirut

MP Antoine Ghanem Assassinated!

Syria behind this?

re: #22 chubby vegan

Avast ye maties! Shiver me timbers!

The Morgan is on the mizzenmast, the larder in the hold is full of delectable foodstuffs pillaged from the landlubbers. Is it five oclock anywhere?

re: #22 chubby vegan

You might check out the comments in the Overnight Thread, about the disconnect between what Pirates historically were (rapists, cutthroats, thieves, dishonorable scum) and the 'Talk Like a Pirate Day' gimmick...

Are we gonna have a 'Talk Like an IslamoFascist' Day?

Howzabout a 'Talk Like Nazi' Day?

Then we could have 'Talk Like a Jew-Hating Bigot' Day...

/you get the drift

ARRR! Any more pirate-speak and I'm gonna walk that thar plank! No - REALLY! I will, I swear to ya matey...

The head of a major Jewish org. in Detroit used to work for the ACLU. Now she is best friends with CAIR, ignores complaints of harassment by Jewish students on campus, refuses to have a backbone in defending the Jewish community, and favors appeasement over taking a stand. The ACLU is a cancer.

re: #37 JammieWearingFool

Ha!

...

Terrorists and their backers are suing the government to find out what the government knows about the terrorists, their links and financial sources, and others involved in the web of deceit involving the Islamists.

Nice.

And that the ACLU is involved - that's rich. The ACLU hasn't met a lawsuit to undermine national security it didn't like.

re: #40 Carridine

Yeah...but talk like a Ninja day isn't yet official.

Lighten up.

re: #38 NJDhockeyfan

Syria behind this?

I'd bet on it.

re: #24 ronaldusmagnus

The Muslims are "concerned there might be a disproportionate focus...on their religious practices."

You mean the ones where imams call for war against the infidels, overthrowing western civilization, death to Israel, death to the US, etc.?

Picky, picky, picky.

Not to mention honor killings, rape as a form of penance for, um, batting your eyes, stoning...

Seriously. Stop supporting terrorists. Stop trying to change the American way of life to shriiham law, and stop forcing your customs and religious requirements on our free and open society and ALL these problems GO AWAY.

Either that, or go where they're welcome. Either way, everyone is much happier. YOUR WAY IS NOT WELCOME HERE. Practice it in the privacy of your own home or church and LEAVE THE REST OF US ALONE. Really...

re: #38 NJDhockeyfan

Breaking News: Explosion in Beirut

MP Antoine Ghanem Assassinated!

Syria behind this?

I would bet money on it.

re: #1 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

EEK A MOUSE / SKIDIP

SENSEE PARTY

1991

I know my Jamaican music.

re: #20 Beagle

Once the 2 groups formally merge, they'll need a new acronym.

It's death by 1,000 cuts.

...who include some of the most prominent Muslim leaders in California—have reason to believe they have been investigated by the FBI since January 2001.

Well. I should hope so.

re: #35 NoSubmission

GREAT point!

re: #43 Killgore Trout

re: #37 JammieWearingFool

Ha!

I was afraid to put up the photo from the link, for obvious reasons.

re: #45 lawhawk

Maybe it's time for the FBI to through their cards on the table. I'd love it if their evidence ran in every newspaper in the country.

I've got some records that the ACLU can have... my folks' old 33 1/3 of the "Fantastic Strings" destroying the Beatles. Better yet, the scratched up 78 of Klezmer music which I've already transferred to a digital medium. I'm more than certain they'd enjoy that.

I wonder if they really want the FBI to make public the intelligence they have gathered? It might not exactly be the best thing for them.

...

re: #13 rab3

Release it all. Let America know what all these asshats are doing.

I'm with you. Names, pictures, everything about them should be plastered on every billboard across the country.

Aye, CAIR might be openin' a can o' worms.

re: #35 NoSubmission

The ACLU is against random bag searches in the subways, while they conduct mandatory bag searches in the lobby of their Manhattan headquarters.

LOL, I'm sure the irony is lost on them.

re: #1 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Some people with more time:

wasn't the ACLU established by Communists who wanted to use America's own legal system and Constitution to destroy the country as a capitalist democratic republic?

Yes. The real question is have their goals changed? Answer: no.

re: #1 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Make that 1981.

Damn, has it been that long?

re: #15 Beagle

So I can fire an FOIA request to DoD for stuff like the B-2's blueprints or new laser cannons?

Beagle, IIRC, you're an attorney, does this move have precedent?

[Link: www.arrr.com...]

The islamists kept having to drop their lawsuits against innocent people just before the discovery phase - now they're turning the tables and demanding our government tell all.

Figures.

Never forget that the ACLU is the group that is constantly fighting in court for the rights of NAMBLA ( National Man Boy Love Association ) to rape small children.

The ACLU needs to be stomped on like the cockroaches they are.

There's a left winger at my office here that sends money to the aclu and tells me that 'they're the reason you have the freedoms you have today'...I just laff. He's not a kook, but we usually agree to disagree on a WHOLE lot of things.

“I think it is in the best interests of the Shura Council, CAIR, and the rest to come clean and be transparent and forthright,”

Fixed it for ya, Shakeel.

Yes, it IS a credibility issue.

As a rather amusing side-note, I laughed at the statement:

“I think it is in the best interests of the government to come clean and be transparent and forthright,” said Syed, executive director of the Islamic Shura Council of Southern California. “This is a credibility issue.”

Buddy, we've been asking congress to do this for YEARS.

/sarc off.

Of course, this is something of a loaded question, but why should these folks be so concerned what the FBI is investigating? After all, they claim to have developed a good working relationship with 'em... Would seem to me that if your'e making the effort to develop that kind of relationship with the FBI, you'd have already discussed a majority of this and you'd be okay with it. The innocent have nothing to hide, right?

Right?

Arrr me hardies,." jim boy, jim arkins giv old Long John that map Jim"
Avast, we should be makin these CAIR creatures & The ACLU critters walk the plank. Shark food matey. ARRR

re: #38 NJDhockeyfan

Breaking News: Explosion in Beirut

MP Antoine Ghanem Assassinated!

Syria behind this?

Are bears Catholic?

"One plaintiff, Shakeel Syed, said that his organization and others have spent three years building a relationship intimidating the FBI but that and was seething at the agency’s resistance".

There, fixed that for them.

Maybe the FBI does have some brains and balls left.

re: #73 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

re: #38 NJDhockeyfan

Breaking News: Explosion in Beirut

MP Antoine Ghanem Assassinated!

Syria behind this?

Are bears Catholic?

Does the Pope shit in the woods?

re: #51 Ringo the Gringo

re: #1 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

EEK A MOUSE / SKIDIP

SENSEE PARTY

1991

I know my Jamaican music.

You needed a picture of Eek riding a camel during his Israel 2006 tour, didn't you?

CAIR Pushes to Get Islam into Oklahoma Public Schools

The ACLU is simply nan adjunct of CAIR, just doing the Islamists' bidding.

re: #59 mojo9

I couldn't have "said" it better myself.

It is becoming difficult for any reasoned person to doubt that the ACLU sees radical Islamists as companions in their long held (since their charter) goal of deconstructing the US as a capitalist, democratic (and powerful) entity.

It is a bit tiring to see the ACLU choose its cases - time after time - that seem based on opposing the US and its interests in defending itself against declared enemies. Unfortunately, this trend masks some cases - in which they should intervene - as just part of their leftist agenda.

This case is a good example - there could be reasons for the intervention, but my assumption is that the case stands to reduce the effectiveness of surveilling our enemies, and that is the reason the ACLU is involved.

re: #40 Carridine

Matey, ye be gettin' it all wrong, it be talk like a pirate day, and walk like a nazi night.

It sends a message that Muslim-Americans have been, and continue to be, cooperating with law enforcement, but they’re concerned there might be a disproportionate focus ... on their religious practices,” said Ranjana Natarajan, an ACLU attorney

How about they stop referring to themselves as muslim-Americans then, that might help, what dya think Ranjana ?

What is wrong with just plain old "American" ?

Nobody really gives a flying fuck what your religion is (unless you are blowing shit up etc), so why not drop the "muslim" prefix, people could grow very weary with you and your bretheren's constant wingeing shit

re: #66 chubby vegan

[Link: www.arrr.com...]

That's good for a chuckle!

If the Italian American associations had thought of this the mafia would still be alive and well.

/

re: #65 justamomof4

re: #15 Beagle

So I can fire an FOIA request to DoD for stuff like the B-2's blueprints or new laser cannons?

Beagle, IIRC, you're an attorney, does this move have precedent?

Nothing but appellate decisions are "precedent" if you want to be legal about it.

But it seems odd that the FBI would have to reveal their investigations to the targets of the investigations because there's an FOIA. A better analogy: can the Chinese PLA fire off an FOIA for B-2 blueprints?

re: #68 funkyfantom

The ACLU leadership contains convicted male pedophiles (and the victims of their molestation are always boys, which makes the leadership homosexual pedophiles).

Maybe CAIR, the ACLU & NAMBLA can form a triumvirate group. Hell, throw in PETA (which supports sex between humans & livestock, provided the sex is consensual) & make it a 4-some.

[Link: www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov...]

12Z GFS coming out. May have to shift my prediction of a NOLA hurricane party to Mobile or even Destin. The further East it makes landfall, the weaker it is, which is a good thing for people with homes and a deductible on their homeowners, but a landfall into NOLA heading NW then North would bring much needed rain to the Mid-South.

re: #69 Sponge

What you disagree on is very predictable. Everything from the UN, healthcare, gun control, taxes etc.

might be a disproportionate focus ... on their religious practices

I've been saying that for years - we need more FBI agents.

re: #86 firebreather

If they get a 5th they can form Captain Planet!

I was working a festival this weekend where the ACLU had a table. Their banner read: "Some day, everyone needs the ACLU". I was on company time, so I couldn't engage these worthies, but I suppose they're right. I DO need them - to go straight to the devil. As pertains the ACLU, I'd have to say: Arrr! Garbage! Huuuman Garrrbage!

Oh this is all BS...CAIR can keep on bitching and moaning...there isnt a chance in hell the FBI is going to turn over their records...unless the judge on the case is some leftwing loony advocate. I can see the tears in Hoopers eyes right now...keep on crying you big baby.

re: #50 insanity police

Dollars to donuts, Syria was behind it. They want to force Lebanon back into the fold - and if you kill enough anti-Syrian leaders, they figure that Lebanon will acquiesce.

re: #76 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

I sat down, opened the overnite thread and read the last comment, which was Eek a Mouse lyrics.

That's all I needed.

I've had that album on vinyl since about 1983. My Jamaican music collection is pretty big.

I took my name Ringo the Gringo from a Laurel Aitken album.

re: #86 firebreather

Ewww.

...make it a 4-some.

Bridge anyone?

re: #82 Fellay Timi

How about they stop referring to themselves as muslim-Americans then, that might help, what dya think Ranjana ?

What is wrong with just plain old "American" ?

Nobody really gives a flying fuck what your religion is (unless you are blowing shit up etc), so why not drop the "muslim" prefix, people could grow very weary with you and your bretheren's constant wingeing shit

Well, we could start talking like them.
Talk like a terrorist day.

"Hello, I am a Christian / Jewish / Hindu / Buddhist / Pagan / VooDoo / (etc.etc.) / agnostic / atheist American."
At least they would get angry all the time.

/well they do get angry all the time anyway...

re: #86 firebreather

re: #68 funkyfantom

The ACLU leadership contains convicted male pedophiles (and the victims of their molestation are always boys, which makes the leadership homosexual pedophiles).

Maybe CAIR, the ACLU & NAMBLA can form a triumvirate group. Hell, throw in PETA (which supports sex between humans & livestock, provided the sex is consensual) & make it a 4-some.

How do we define consensual sex for animals. I suppose if it is a male animal, and it can perform (thinking of Washington State Darwin winner who had himself sodomized by a horse, ruptured his rectum, and bled to death over a fairly prolonged period because he figured a hospital visit might cost him his security clearance at Boeing), then it is sort of consensual.

But no goat, sheep or camel on the receiving end can really give informed consent, IMHO.

^{I am not a lawyer and this should not be construed as legal advice. Re: ruptured rectums and medical treatment, I am not a doctor. Only your doctor can best decide your treatment after you have been sodomized by a large animal.}

I remember when the ACLU sued the Clinton White House for their (likely illegally) possessing the FBI files of 900 Republicans...

/Oh, wait...

re: #93 lawhawk

re: #50 insanity police

Dollars to donuts, Syria was behind it. They want to force Lebanon back into the fold - and if you kill enough anti-Syrian leaders, they figure that Lebanon will acquiesce.

I think you are correct.

Maybe it's time to do another fly by of Assad's palace...but leave him a present this time.

re: #82 Fellay Timi

How about they stop referring to themselves as muslim-Americans then, that might help, what dya think Ranjana ?

What is wrong with just plain old "American" ?

That is exactly what I was thinking.

Saboteur was on AMC last night. Hitchcock for Homeland Security Chief!

You can not apply too much surveillance to Muslims in the US.
No amount will be enough.
No matter what, you will miss at least one terrorist plot.
Just miss as few as humanly possible please...

Neither gpoup has ACLU(e) so I don't CAIR...

Canadian dollar is within 1.5 cents of breaking even with the greenback. Last time it was that high was in 1976.

C'mon! You guys are killing me here.

Almost all of my income comes from US clients (we only do a handful of Canadian and international airlines). Dollar for dollar our revenues have effectively dropped by 50% since 2002 due to the falling value of the US dollar (they've grown for overall for other reasons). Every US $100 we earned in 2002 equaled CDN $150. Now every US $100 equals around CDN $102.

*Sigh*

re: #93 lawhawk

"Democracy" in the Middle East at its finest.
Need two or three votes to have a majority?
Just kill the three people that stand in your way and replace them with puppets of your own.
Aoun, Lahoud, they are all scum.
Especially the Syrians.

No thread on this yet? : Syria blast 'linked to chemical weapons'

re: #101 chinesearithmetic

Saboteur was on AMC last night. Hitchcock for Homeland Security Chief!

He wouldn't smell very good at cabinet meetings.

re: #85 Beagle

sigh

re: #86 firebreather

re: #68 funkyfantom

The ACLU leadership contains convicted male pedophiles (and the victims of their molestation are always boys, which makes the leadership homosexual pedophiles).

Maybe CAIR, the ACLU & NAMBLA can form a triumvirate group. Hell, throw in PETA (which supports sex between humans & livestock, provided the sex is consensual) & make it a 4-some.

Is it any coincidence that "King (Queen?) of Pop" Michael Jackson sought refuge in Bahrain, just as the heat was coming down on him in the USA?

Does anyone doubt that he could purchase there anythin (anyone) he wanted?

CAIR and NAMBLA are probably not too far apart - the misogyny is also a common thread.

re: #37 JammieWearingFool

Man hides sex toys in the wurst way...

I was afraid I knew where that was going, fortunately I was mistaken.

re: #97 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Ibrahim Hooper says if the livestock or barnyard animal in question embraces Islam & consents to penetration, then it is permissible under the tenets of Islam.

And if the ulema sanctifies it, then the collective-- er, the ummah-- agrees as well.

So that settles the issue as far as the ACLU-NAMBLA-PETA are concerned.

re: #106 Ringo the Gringo

It's been discussed but I'm not sure how true that story is.

O/T
RACIST PALESTINIANS!

Hamas Al-Aqsa TV: Rice "Black Snake"

re: #69 Sponge

There's a left winger at my office here that sends money to the aclu and tells me that 'they're the reason you have the freedoms you have today'...I just laff. He's not a kook, but we usually agree to disagree on a WHOLE lot of things.

The ACLU wrote the constitution? The Bill of Rights?

re: #77 NJDhockeyfan

CAIR Pushes to Get Islam into Oklahoma Public Schools

With the tacit approval of the ACLU, no doubt.

It's all about the "tolerance".

re: #98 christheprofessor

I was thinking the same thing

(BTW - it was illegal...no probably about it. 10000000x worse than the domestic spying non-illegal issue.)

re: #106 Ringo the Gringo

No thread on this yet? : Syria blast 'linked to chemical weapons'

"The article also quoted Syrian opposition sources as noting that vehicles destined for car bomb attacks in Iraq are prepared at the same facility under the supervision of Syrian intelligence and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards."

Maybe we could get the IDF to bomd this place as well, we are too timid to do it, leftists might object, Nancy Pelosi might be injured in the attack!

Reza was offended.

re: #104 Pro-Bush Canuck

Cmon Canuck... with that rate cut yesterday we have to shovel the cash around today...

re: #98 christheprofessor

I remember when the ACLU sued the Clinton White House for their (likely illegally) possessing the FBI files of 900 Republicans...

/Oh, wait...

No kidding. Why sue, when the Clintons probably gave them unlimited access. Can you say "Xerox"?

re: #111 firebreather

does that also mean that female animals have to wear burqas to be outside?

re: #100 NoSubmission

re: #82 Fellay Timi

How about they stop referring to themselves as muslim-Americans then, that might help, what dya think Ranjana ?
What is wrong with just plain old "American" ?

That is exactly what I was thinking.

Thats part of the PC culture. Everyone must be identified with their 'village.'

I'm a caucasion, heterosexual, fem American.

Yourself?

re: #103 christheprofessor

Neither gpoup has ACLU(e) so I don't CAIR...

That was some good work there, Professah.

Well, CAIR and the ACLU know one thing for sure. Stay on the offense.

re: #60 Kreuzueber Halbmond

re: #13 rab3

Release it all. Let America know what all these asshats are doing.

I'm with you. Names, pictures, everything about them should be plastered on every billboard across the country.

Another ditto on that one. The FBI should say "Sure we watched them and know what we found? This and

this

and this and THIS!

What else do you want to know about 'em now?"

O/T, but related.

Atlas reports:

CAIR REP POSTS THREAT AGAINST PRESIDENT BUSH ON HIS WEBSITE AYLOUSH WANTS AMERICA TO APOLOGIZE TO GUANTANIMO ENEMY COMBATANT SUSPECTED OF TERRO-ST ACTIVITY

(Coral Springs, FL) Last month, Hussam Ayloush, the Executive Director of CAIR-Los Angeles (CAIR-California), posted on his blog a threat against President George W. Bush. The author of the threat is Sami Al-Hajj, an enemy combatant currently residing in Guantanimo Bay prison, of whom Ayloush believes should be released and apologized to.

The threat reads: “America, you ride on the backs of orphans, and terrorize them daily. Bush, beware.” As of now, it is still located on Ayloush's website.

Ayloush’s post, which contains a picture of Al-Hajj, can be found here.

re: #17 Pro-Bush Canuck

Is it just me, or are the hamsters incredibly sluggish today?

It took me 2 minutes to load the front page, almost 5 minutes to load the previous thread...

No other sites seem affected.

I've noticed the same thing, since last night. It's worse on my notebook - it was taking so long to load a large thread on it that I assumed something had gone haywire. I started ripping out Java, WebEx, doing system restores (at least I tried System Restore; it kept telling me it couldn't be restored to earlier points) to no avail.

re: #116 DeafDog

(BTW - it was illegal...no probably about it. 10000000x worse than the domestic spying non-illegal issue.)

I hesitated to say that it was, as (1) I'm no attorney and (2) I can't recall all of the specifics of the case. But as I recall, there was no legitimate reason for them to have possessed the files (I believe there are legit reasons, for example, if they were considering a Repub to a sensitive position -- not that they would have done that, of course)...

re: #104 Pro-Bush Canuck

Canadian dollar is within 1.5 cents of breaking even with the greenback. Last time it was that high was in 1976.

C'mon! You guys are killing me here.

Almost all of my income comes from US clients (we only do a handful of Canadian and international airlines). Dollar for dollar our revenues have effectively dropped by 50% since 2002 due to the falling value of the US dollar (they've grown for overall for other reasons). Every US $100 we earned in 2002 equaled CDN $150. Now every US $100 equals around CDN $102.

I'm not an economist but I wasn't born last night.
If the country runs a deficit both trade and budget sooner or later things adjust.
*Sigh*

re: #1 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

wasn't the ACLU established by Communists who wanted to use America's own legal system and Constitution to destroy the country as a capitalist democratic republic?

In short, YES.

re: #29 NoSubmission

Traitors!

Whenever I see ACLU petitioners in the streets who ask me to sign or donate, I retort, 'ABSOLUTELY NOT'!

You're reply is much nicer than mine...

re: #114 Eowyn2

re: #69 Sponge

There's a left winger at my office here that sends money to the aclu and tells me that 'they're the reason you have the freedoms you have today'...I just laff. He's not a kook, but we usually agree to disagree on a WHOLE lot of things.

The ACLU wrote the constitution? The Bill of Rights?

I get this kind of stuff from Liberal relatives. They get very morally superior.
I did point out to my godchild, "The constitution does not guarantee your rights. The constitution enumerates them. The courts do not guarantee your rights, they interpret them. Your rights are guaranteed by the US military. Those young kids that you see in the airports are the guarantors" She looked at me like I just don't get it

re: #44 & #59 mojo9

Per secret by-law VI, section 7/8, handling fees for blank postings may be deducted from the lizard's monthly Zionist check.

OT...anyone else watching the news see this loonytoon next to OJs lawyer?

Ah the new power couple.
Bin-Britney or Brit-ladin.
Anyway.

Britney vs. Bin Laden: A Celebrity Comeback Battle

Notice the interesting question, and the oh so funny answer.

But are these two really that different? Neither of 'em have had a decent hit in the U.S. since 2001, that's for sure. And right now both are hell-bent on trying to regain some traction in terms of contemporary relevance... appropriately enough, both in the field of video.

Huuummm. "Neither of'em have had a decent hit in the U.S. since 2001" Must be satire I'm sure.

re: #128 christheprofessor

re: #116 DeafDog

(BTW - it was illegal...no probably about it. 10000000x worse than the domestic spying non-illegal issue.)

I hesitated to say that it was, as (1) I'm no attorney and (2) I can't recall all of the specifics of the case. But as I recall, there was no legitimate reason for them to have possessed the files (I believe there are legit reasons, for example, if they were considering a Repub to a sensitive position -- not that they would have done that, of course)...

I'm not a lawyer either, but I know right/wrong/illegal when I see it.
Technically, you are right in being cautious. No illegality was found. Here is the wikipedia link (relevant snpit below):

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

In March 2000, Independent Counsel Robert Ray, Starr's successor, issued the office's final report on the matter. Ray determined that there was no credible evidence of any criminal activity by any individual in the matter.[24] It attributed the improper collection of the files by Marceca due to his having an outdated Secret Service list of White House passes, as Marceca had originally claimed.[24] It stated that even though Marceca's statements were sometimes "contradictory and misleading",[8] they were "sufficiently transparent"[8] and there was insufficient evidence to prove that Anthony Marceca had made false statements to Congress during his testimony.[7] The report ascribed the FBI files matter to "a failure of process at many levels," saying that the Secret Service had provided critically erroneous data,[8] and that this was compounded by the White House's informal process of requesting sensitive information by "inexperienced, untrained, and unsupervised personnel with backgrounds as political operatives."[8]

ACLU&CAIR - They've always been joined at the hip, they just didn't know it.

re: #120 Spiny Norman

Yup... Wouldn't suprise me if CAIR has copies of them now, as well.

It amazes me to no end that people out there actually believe the Clinorruptions have the best interest of the nation at heart given the things they've done... And that Shrillary actually has a chance of winning stealing the White House... I can just imagine the level of corruption in a Shrillary administration, knowing that neither of them can serve as President again...

re: #123 loppyd

(curls lip) Thank you, thank you very much...

Iran promises 'response' to Zionism's supporters on Oct. 12

Supporters of the "Zionist regime" will receive a response from Iran during the world Qods Day rallies on October 12, the IRNA news agency reported government spokesman, Gholam-Hossein Elham, saying Wednesday.

re: #122 Eowyn2

Thats part of the PC culture. Everyone must be identified with their 'village.'

I'm a caucasion, heterosexual, fem American.

Yourself?

I'm a Pissed-off-Jihad-Fighting-Infidel-American.

re: #141 ploome hineni

UP HIGH! dont leave me hangin bro

someone left the doors to the Vegas mental hospital open last night

re: #105 Sizzlack

Lahoud and Aoun are survivalists. They'll work with whoever they think will give them the best advantage to survive a while longer - even if it means getting in bed with Syria or Hizbullah or both.

re: #136 DeafDog

Thanks for the info... Scariest part:

The report ascribed the FBI files matter to "a failure of process at many levels," saying that the Secret Service had provided critically erroneous data,[8] and that this was compounded by the White House's informal process of requesting sensitive information by "inexperienced, untrained, and unsupervised personnel with backgrounds as political operatives."[8](bold and italics added)

re: #145 lawhawk

re: #105 Sizzlack

Lahoud and Aoun are survivalists. They'll work with whoever they think will give them the best advantage to survive a while longer - even if it means getting in bed with Syria or Hizbullah or both.

exactly...they are SCUM.

re: #138 christheprofessor

re: #120 Spiny Norman

Yup... Wouldn't suprise me if CAIR has copies of them now, as well.

It amazes me to no end that people out there actually believe the Clinorruptions have the best interest of the nation at heart given the things they've done... And that Shrillary actually has a chance of winning stealing the White House... I can just imagine the level of corruption in a Shrillary administration, knowing that neither of them can serve as President again...

Egad! I wonder what we have left for them to give to the Chinese (in return for Norman Hsu's good work)...

re: #113 insanity police

Especially ironic in view of what has happened to the Arab genome since the rise of Islam, as I have mentioned in another thread.

re: #142 LC LaWedgie

Iran promises 'response' to Zionism's supporters on Oct. 12

Supporters of the "Zionist regime" will receive a response from Iran during the world Qods Day rallies on October 12, the IRNA news agency reported government spokesman, Gholam-Hossein Elham, saying Wednesday.

Boisterous little shits, ain't they? Nothing but posturing. I smell fear.

re: #147 Sizzlack

re: #145 lawhawk

re: #105 Sizzlack

Lahoud and Aoun are survivalists. They'll work with whoever they think will give them the best advantage to survive a while longer - even if it means getting in bed with Syria or Hizbullah or both.

exactly...they are SCUM.

I think the proper term is whores.

re: #142 LC LaWedgie

"Supporters" of the Zionist regime, rather than the regime itself? Does that mean I should check my mailbox?

re: #146 christheprofessor

re: #136 DeafDog

Thanks for the info... Scariest part:

The report ascribed the FBI files matter to "a failure of process at many levels," saying that the Secret Service had provided critically erroneous data,[8] and that this was compounded by the White House's informal process of requesting sensitive information by "inexperienced, untrained, and unsupervised personnel with backgrounds as political operatives."[8](bold and italics added)

The whole thing smelled. Early in the GWB administration, there was a comparison made with clinton between the cabinets. In the Clinton Admin, all but 1 of the cabinet level officers were lawyers. In the bush cabinet, there was only 1 lawyer.

My point is that the clinton admin was full of lawyers who parsed finer points of "legalities" and developed legalistic arguments to do skirt the law (most famously, "It depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is.) In filegate, they skated around the law with "I do not recall." or "I was not aware of the law." BS!

re: #149 dentate

re: #113 insanity police

Especially ironic in view of what has happened to the Arab genome since the rise of Islam, as I have mentioned in another thread.

Consanguination?

re: #148 Spiny Norman

Heh. Scary, indeed.

re: #153 DeafDog

No disagreement. As I alluded to to Spiny above, I suspect that Bubba actually exercised some restraint in his corruption (hard to believe, given the volume), given that he (they) knew Shrillary was going to run down the road. If she gets elected, the corruption will be of an unimaginable scale, knowing that neither can be President again. They will sell us out, big-time!

re: #151 Ward Cleaver

fine...scummy whores

re: #122 Eowyn2

Thats part of the PC culture. Everyone must be identified with their 'village.'

I'm a caucasion, heterosexual, fem American.

Yourself?

Er, Caucasian, hetro male English actually, still it annoys the shit out of me when people de-assimilate and disassociate themseves from their adopted countries. Guess I must be a touch right wing then.

re: #150 Cobra

I smell fear.

Harsh e-mail "response" to all Zionist Regime supporters being drafted now.

re: #152 dentate

That depends.
Are you on the "Zionist Regime supporter's" e-mail server?

re: #157 Fellay Timi

Who is Timi, and why should he be fellayed?

/student who learned to read phonetically

re: #126 insanity police

O/T, but related.

Atlas reports:

CAIR REP POSTS THREAT AGAINST PRESIDENT BUSH ON HIS WEBSITE AYLOUSH WANTS AMERICA TO APOLOGIZE TO GUANTANIMO ENEMY COMBATANT SUSPECTED OF TERRO-ST ACTIVITY

(Coral Springs, FL) Last month, Hussam Ayloush, the Executive Director of CAIR-Los Angeles (CAIR-California), posted on his blog a threat against President George W. Bush. The author of the threat is Sami Al-Hajj, an enemy combatant currently residing in Guantanimo Bay prison, of whom Ayloush believes should be released and apologized to.

The threat reads: “America, you ride on the backs of orphans, and terrorize them daily. Bush, beware.” As of now, it is still located on Ayloush's website.

Ayloush’s post, which contains a picture of Al-Hajj, can be found here.

That's a really hollywoodie threat. I keep hearing a combo twighlight zone and shower scene music combo.

re: #159 christheprofessor

re: #157 Fellay Timi

Who is Timi, and why should he be fellayed?

/student who learned to read phonetically

Chris

Dont read it too phonetically and quickly, its actually mildly rude and juvenile. wish I could change it actually :-)

The Attack of the Islamo Libs continues

Meanwhile in wacademia, Utah dhimmis pay jizya willingly;

Going hungry to defeat hunger

...The event, sponsored by the Muslim Student Association, was held in conjunction with the Islamic month of Ramadan, which began Sept. 13. During Ramadan Muslims around the world go without food or drink until the sun has set... Local businesses sponsored the event by donating $5 for every non-Muslim student who agreed to fast. Many Muslim students also participated in the event, each donating $5 towards a local Muslim charity.
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...At the dinner, organizers announced that participation in this year's event increased by 100 people from last year. Because of the increased participation, organizers said this year's fast-a-thon raised more money than ever before -- $475 for Meals on Wheels and $625 for a local Muslim charity, which hasn't been selected.

Now why wouldn't they disclose the "local Muslim charity"?

Utah Daily invites your comments here.

Don't Tase me, bro!

Anothe rchance that the tratirous ACLU and CAIR will be show for what they really do.

paranoid much, CAIR?

Woa! My first "deleted"

Charles - What did I day that warranted a deletion? Just curious, as I'm farked if I can see what I said wrong.

day = say PIMF

Charles

I believe in what LGF is about (That's why I donate) so if only to educate me as to what I said wrong @ #163 please can I have an answer?

Any member of congress that admits to taking political donations for CAIR should be kicked out.

Van: I'm not going to repeat it, but language like "c--- sm--- m---" is not acceptable. You can make your point without descending into slurs.

OK I'm Sorry

But I've seen comments like W*nker and C**ksucker and a whole range of other terms by long term members so I thought nothing of it

(I wasn't making direct threats to a beings health etc)

Let's face it these things (humans?) think of most of us as pigs and apes and anything else that sits below human.

I won't do it again.
Sorry!

AFP writing news that is completely Hamas propaganda.
ACLU joining in trying to make it easier for terrorists to operate inside the muslim community.
Ahhh.
...well, nothing new, I guess.

this is the text of a letter I sent to the MD chapter of the ACLU, not being able to find the email address of the national...

Dear Sir,

For many years I supported your organization's efforts at defending the liberties of Americans. However, when you begin to work against the best interests of this country...

SANTA ANA, Calif. (AP) - The ACLU and Muslim advocacy groups sued the FBI and the Justice Department on Tuesday, alleging that authorities failed to turn over records detailing suspected surveillance of the Muslim-American community.

The complaint, filed in U.S. District Court in Santa Ana, alleges that the FBI has turned over only four pages of documents to community leaders, despite a Freedom of Information Act request filed more than a year ago.

The request sought records that described FBI guidelines and policies for surveillance and investigation of Muslim religious organizations, as well as specific information about FBI inquiries targeting 11 groups or people.

The lawsuit states that all the plaintiffs—who include some of the most prominent Muslim leaders in California—have reason to believe they have been investigated by the FBI since January 2001.

“It sends a message that Muslim-Americans have been, and continue to be, cooperating with law enforcement, but they’re concerned there might be a disproportionate focus ... on their religious practices,” said Ranjana Natarajan, an ACLU attorney.

One plaintiff, Shakeel Syed, said that his organization and others have spent three years building a relationship with the FBI but that the agency’s resistance to the request was troubling. “I think it is in the best interests of the government to come clean and be transparent and forthright,” said Syed, executive director of the Islamic Shura Council of Southern California. “This is a credibility issue.” ...

The FBI responded to the request first by saying it couldn’t identify any records that met the criteria requested. After an appeal, the agency turned over four pages that dealt with the Council of American- Islamic Relations and Hussam Ayloush, the council’s executive director for Southern California.

Those documents dealt with a suspected hate crime at a mosque that the council had reported to the FBI and a conversation Ayloush had with an FBI agent about cooperating with federal law enforcers, Natarajan said.

...must firmly draw a line and vigorously protest this "action" by your organization. When you begin to work for those people who wish to destroy our way of life...you are dead wrong! Therefore, I urge you to contact the national office (I tried but could find no email address of any sort) and dissuade them from continuing to support a terrorist front organization (to wit, CAIR).

Sincerely,

Richard A. Vail, Ph.D.

...the only thing deleted was personal info...

Given the references that were introduced into evidence in the Holy Land Foundation trial, I am surprised the government and FBI wouldn't want to move a little slower when releasing this data, if released at all.

Can't we just put a threesome of hungry tigers and the "A Screw All You" in a no-holds-barred cage match? Or at least put the A Screw All You in the hold of the next shuttle mission and jettison the "spare parts" cannister on the way into atmospheric orbit?

re: #133 Clemente
Witholding zionist funds for blank entries! Why that's denying my right to free speech! I'm gonna have the ACLU sue!

re: #10 insanity police

A terrorist group and a traitorous left org. against the FBI? The FBI will wipe the floor with them. I am outraged.

Yeah, right. Do you really think the Dems would allow this?

re: #14 LeftJustAintRight

The ACLU Democrats will be the death of us all

Fixed!

re: #38 NJDhockeyfan

Breaking News: Explosion in Beirut

MP Antoine Ghanem Assassinated!

Syria behind this?

You had to ask?

re: #92 Sizzlack

Oh this is all BS...CAIR can keep on bitching and moaning...there isnt a chance in hell the FBI is going to turn over their records...unless the judge on the case is some leftwing loony advocate. I can see the tears in Hoopers eyes right now...keep on crying you big baby.

Well, they'll continue their bullshit until they finally get a left wing loony advocate. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals is full of them!

If this lawsuit goes anywhere, it will probably show that we need to monitor mosques for hate speech. At the moment Muslims think that they have free reign.

What's up with the high number of Indians in ACLU?

See the one that's mentioned in this article here:
[Link: www.masjidomar.com...]
The guy sitting next to her in that picture is very likely a Sri Lankan, but I know for sure they both have Tamil background.

And the daughter of India's current Prime minister here -
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #38 NJDhockeyfan

Breaking News: Explosion in Beirut

MP Antoine Ghanem Assassinated!

Syria behind this?

You have to ask?

re: #53 MarkX

...who include some of the most prominent Muslim leaders in California—have reason to believe they have been investigated by the FBI since January 2001.

Well. I should hope so.

Indeed. The 9-11 hijackers, weren't they spending time in San Diego when they first got to the US?

re: #186 browninfidel

Yeah, I know. It's frustrating that many Indians side with CAIR and the like. Many South Asian groups do that. Partly because of the rise in anti-brown racism after 9/11, especially against Sikhs. But is that a reason to side with an unindicted (I hope that changes to indicted soon) co-conspirator? Meantime, any South Asian who reads LGF is branded a coconut or self-loather.

The plan is to make the eoro AMERICAS new currency!are: #104 Pro-Bush Canuck

#73

Are bears Catholic?

Not this one.

re: #189 marwan's daughter

re: #186 browninfidel

Meantime, any South Asian who reads LGF is branded a coconut or self-loather.

Funny you say this, I've been called uncle tom for politely disagreeing with their ideas at sepiamutiny.