Moral relativism of the worst sort.

Using free speech to justify this idiots right to preach total and utter bullshit to Columbia blows my mind. If Mahmoud wants to get up there and talk about abstaining from eating meat...Fine. But cloaking anti semetic or anti civilization (a.k.a. genocidal) opinions under the guise of free speech is absurd.

Too bad Hitler's dead, or it would have been the double header of the century.

Why not just give him an honorary degree? He is a noted scholar of the Holocaust.

///

Dinnerjacket is not an American citizen or taxpayer.

Why should he have any of the rights that Americans do within America?

Do Dinnerjackets opponents within Iran have free speech, or any other similar freedoms?

NOT,
R

re: #5 Thanos

Wouldnt suprise me if Bollinger gave him a hug on stage before he spoke.

New york told Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to go to hell about his little visit

Yeah right - and please ignor the standing ovation.

This asshole is really making himself right at home. It's getting on my nerves.

The speech will be spoken slowly and will use small words. Charts and graphs will be done in crayon.

I would have to show up dressed as a Crusader. Minus the weaponry of course.

It's at this sort of thing that gay groups and women's groups should step up to the fray.

Well I guess ones feminism could be posturing that is eclipsed by Bush hate and romantic ideals of the "noble savage" - but gay groups have NO EXCUSE!

We should allow him to speak there. We should also encourage everyone to get up and leave half-way through his first sentence.

This is not some unknown politician with a bold new message... everyone's heard Dinnerjacket's message, and I can't imagine anyone in the US supporting it (although I know there are plenty who do).

Let him speak to an empty hall...

Meanwhile Democrats are leading the charge to neuter the effectiveness of rebuilding efforts in Iraq.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Sadly, at Columbia, dinnerjacker will be accorded more courtesy that Jim Gilchrist, founder of the Minutemen.

re: #12 David IV of Georgia

I would have to show up dressed as a Crusader. Minus the weaponry of course.

Burka's optional.

No doubt this will also be the first stop on the Charlie Manson post-release speaking tour.

(Arnie isn't going to be governor forever your know.)

Interesting that Academia Inc. sees it as necessary and proper to have a genocidal zealot speak in order to demonstrate their tolerance and respect for debate, yet they screamed bloody murder when Lawrence Summer was scheduled to speak at a UC Regents dinner recently.

Who hates women more? By the standards of Wacademics, that would be Lawrence Summers.

"Necessarily, on occasion this will bring us into contact with beliefs many, most, or even all of us will find offensive and even odious."
You can be sure Holocaust denial is not one of those beliefs.

OK, what's wrong with Western universities? Seriously? I know Andrew G. Bostom keeps referring to Julien Benda and his 1928 book The Treason of the Intellectuals, about how the abandonment of objective truths abetted totalitarian ideologies, which led to World War II. Bostom identifies a similar failure of Western intellectuals to acknowledge the history of Jihad today. From what I gather, Benda was a little bit too anti-religious and anti-nationalist for my taste, but otherwise I agree. The problems faced by the West now in confronting Islamic Jihad have been facilitated by a failure of our education system to uphold the ideal of critical thinking.

Free speech for tyrants!

All I can say is...

WTF?

/ And peers wonder why I don't trust modern academia due to there strange obsession with fatalism.

re: #17 hithere

Sadly, at Columbia, dinnerjacker will be accorded more courtesy that Jim Gilchrist, founder of the Minutemen.

I would take that bet.

re: #23 Killgore Trout

Free speech for tyrants!

How many phone books will he have to stand on to see over the podium.

Noook da Jooos!
/free speech

Imagine him at Ground Zero snickering while he lays a wreath to honor the bloody TERRORISTS...all the while Hillary and her lefty Stalinists smiling for the photo -op!

Does it get worse than thisss!
someone gimme some hope please...I'm fading here...

They want to shut up Rush Limbaugh.
And give a guy who hangs 14 year old retarded girls from cranes a pulpit.

Liberalism has surrendered to the Jihad.

When I first saw the footer for this post and clicked over I thought it was going to be an article about someone wearing a "peace scarf" ... but now I see it's about a madman talking to an audience of people all wearing "peace scarves" and Che shirts.

To paraphrase Christopher Hitchens, it takes a certain amount of intelligence to be this stupid.

re: #22 Fjordman

Western Universities are in love with Marx and Marxist theory.
Ahmadinnerjacket is sticking it to Capitalism.

Who speaks for the murdered souls for which he is responsible?

#20: The sad part is, Summers was probably correct. There are disproportionate numbers of men among those with extremely high intelligence. Almost all geniuses are men, although most morons are also men. Accordingly, men will probably always outperform women at the highest levels of academia. The only thing that case demonstrated was that radical feminism is just another totalitarian ideology based on intellectual censorship because it cannot be logically defended.

re: #14 song_and_dance_man

I wonder if Columbia will go crazy trying to find balance with PC in deciding this:

Should we give him a step stool at the podium, lop off the bottom of the podium, or just allow him to try and look over it?

Oh, definitely the lopping-off one. I understand Dinnerjacket likes that sort of thing.

re: #31 rtheyserius

To paraphrase Christopher Hitchens, it takes a certain amount of intelligence to be this stupid.

He should know, being the poster-child and all.

I"m guessing that if Larry Summers were invited to lecture there, he'd be given the boot, if the UC Regents/ UC Davis debacle is any guide.

But Ahmedinejad, no problemo.

Talk about a world on its head.

whiskey tango foxtrot

Here's more on Rudy's plan to ditch the UN in favor of an expanded NATO...
Giuliani says NATO should admit Israel, Japan

Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani urged NATO to admit Australia, India, Israel, Japan and Singapore on Wednesday as part of proposals to combat Islamic extremism.

Speaking to a U.S.-British conservative group in London, Giuliani said Britain and the United States must stand side-by-side in tackling Islamic terrorism.

"This is no time for defeatism and appeasement," he said.
...
Among his proposals for the United States and Britain to take the lead in "winning this war", Giuliani urged the two countries to push for an expansion of NATO into a global body.

"We should open the organization's membership to any willing state that meets basic standards of good governance, military readiness (and) global responsibility, regardless of location," he said.
...
"The policy of the United States of America should be very, very clear: we will use any option we believe is in our best interest to stop them from being a nuclear power," Giuliani said.

re: #15 Seraphym

We should allow him to speak there. We should also encourage everyone to get up and leave half-way through his first sentence...

Or have everybody in attendance dress in those high-islamo-fashion burkas. As he begins speaking, turn around en mass and moon him for the duration. He should feel right at home in such company!

re: #39 Killgore Trout

Here's more on Rudy's plan to ditch the UN in favor of an expanded NATO...
Giuliani says NATO should admit Israel, Japan

Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani urged NATO to admit Australia, India, Israel, Japan and Singapore on Wednesday as part of proposals to combat Islamic extremism.

Speaking to a U.S.-British conservative group in London, Giuliani said Britain and the United States must stand side-by-side in tackling Islamic terrorism.

"This is no time for defeatism and appeasement," he said.
...
Among his proposals for the United States and Britain to take the lead in "winning this war", Giuliani urged the two countries to push for an expansion of NATO into a global body.

"We should open the organization's membership to any willing state that meets basic standards of good governance, military readiness (and) global responsibility, regardless of location," he said.
...
"The policy of the United States of America should be very, very clear: we will use any option we believe is in our best interest to stop them from being a nuclear power," Giuliani said.

The focus of his Foreign Policy is to focus on Nato for world problems, and to use the UN for humanitarian aid only. In his priority list in the article he did for Foreign Affairs, the UN is at the very bottom of the list.

Does the Unites States, as a whole, have the intestinal fortitude to resist these maniacs and win this war?

The rot gets worse everyday.

this beast comes here, a celebrity to these traitors. libs are getting more and more unhinged and dangerous.

This happened before, sort of...

Columbia Invites Genocidal Madman to Give Speech

Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 8:27:23 am PST

Columbia University, a school notoriously dominated by anti-Israel and anti-American wacademics, has invited Islamic supremacist madman Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to give a speech

Another LGF thread on Columbia.
Petition to Support Shutting Down Free Speech

Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 8:44:02 am PST

The fascists who stormed the stage and shut down a speech by Minuteman founder Jim Gilchrist at Columbia University have set up a petition to support their thuggish actions, describing the near-riot as a “courageous stand:” Statement of support for the Columbia University students who protested Jim Gilchrist Petition.

re: #41 Thanos

As it should be. I wonder how well Israel would work with NATO, that could cause some problems.

Western Universities are in love with Marx and Marxist theory.

Yes, and that's a huge problem. It is quite possible that Western universities have been left-leaning for generations, but the problem has gotten progressively worse since the 1960s, not only because the quality of education has declined but because the quantity of students has vastly increased at the same time. A larger share of the population than ever before in history attends colleges and universities, and students are systematically taught to hate their own civilization. How do we deal with that? Do too many people get a university education?

Columbia University, would you kindly take a long walk off a short pier.

re: #29 hous bin pharteen

They want to shut up Rush Limbaugh.
And give a guy who hangs 14 year old retarded girls from cranes a pulpit.

Liberalism has surrendered to the Jihad.

On the recommendation of LGF, I am reading Death of the Adult. I have had a few similar thoughts myself, and think that this may be a manifestation of this same mental disorder: Dinnerjacket would shock the parents (grandparents? great-grandparents?) of the wacademicians, hence supporting him is "edgy" and shows "free thinking", hence it is is good. (In a non-absolutist, relative, no-such-thing-as-black-and-white way, of course. Can't go around believing in closed-minded concepts like "good" and "evil".)

Hey, it's what all the free thinkers are thinking! Why aren't you with the program?

Columbia welcomes Ahmadinejad, our sworn enemy, but ran a patriot (Jim Gilchrist) off the stage. Welcome to the upside down world of Liberalism.

Columbia University was where the Minutemen were shouted off the stage by freedom-loving patriots dhimmified anarchistic leftists, last year, no?

re: #42 hous bin pharteen

Does the Unites States, as a whole, have the intestinal fortitude to resist these maniacs and win this war?

The rot gets worse everyday.

We've got it but along the way we are going to have to take back our institutions or replace them, one bit at a time. Expect that to take awhile and dig in friend, it's going to be a long war.

The Greatest Generation

"What did you do in the war daddy?"

"I fought in Europe against Hitlers tanks"

The ME Generation.

"What did you do in the war daddy?"

"I invited the leader of Iran to speak at my university"

re: #17 hithere

Sadly, at Columbia, dinnerjacker will be accorded more courtesy that Jim Gilchrist, founder of the Minutemen.

Heck, at Columbia, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will be accorded more courtesy than would be accorded the President of the United States.

re: #45 Killgore Trout

re: #41 Thanos

As it should be. I wonder how well Israel would work with NATO, that could cause some problems.

He intends to set measures based on democracy, free trade, human rights, liberty, ... the values we hold in other words. Don't see any of those that Israel does not stand high on.

Charles-
If you have some file footage of Ahmadinejad leading a "Death to America" chant, I think now would be a good time to remind the dumber citizens of our nation that that is who Ahmadinejad really is. Only the MSM and liberal universities (redundant?) are willing to overlook all the death chants and believe the flowery BS that he spews out to be legit.

I wonder if members of the audience will be allowed to wear Crucifixes.
Or, a Star of David t-shirt.

I hope that there will be some scantily-clad women in the front row to irritate him.

re: #60 ex cathedra

I hope that there will be some scantily-clad women in the front row to irritate him.

Or to flash him.

Will NYC and the NYPD want/be willing to protect him at CU any more than they could at the WTC? I would think the NYPD would decline this request also.

There will be Jewish student groups protesting, right?

re: #60 ex cathedra

I hope that there will be some scantily-clad women in the front row to irritate him.

Or gay couples.

Students Know Less After 4 College Years

Students at many of the country's most prestigious colleges and universities are graduating with less knowledge of American history, government, and economics than they had as incoming freshmen, with Harvard University seniors scoring a "D+" average on a 60-question multiple-choice exam about civic literacy.
"At the most expensive colleges, they actually graduate knowing less," the executive director of the Jack Miller Center at the Intercollegiate Studies Institute, Michael Ratliff, said.

re: #65 daughter of patriots

good one

re: #56 HDrepub

re: #14 song_and_dance_man

Should we give him a step stool at the podium, lop off the bottom of the podium, or just allow him to try and look over it?

I have an idea, let's put a noose around his neck and stretch him with one of those mobile cranes his regime uses all the time to hang women and girls. Make him a few inches taller. How's about it?

his feet still won't touch the floor when he sits down tho. his condition may require more than just the neck stretching.

re: #62 grumpy old codger

Will NYC and the NYPD want/be willing to protect him at CU any more than they could at the WTC? I would think the NYPD would decline this request also.

It makes me sick to think that as a new york city resident, my tax dollars might end up being spent on PROTECTING MAHMOUD AHMADINEJAD. WTF!

And in the spring term, Herr Reichsminister Joseph Goebbels, on "Islamofascism my foot! (little self-directed humor here) Were were the Real Thing!" Atrtendance is not voluntary.

re: #62 grumpy old codger

Will NYC and the NYPD want/be willing to protect him at CU any more than they could at the WTC? I would think the NYPD would decline this request also.

Ah if RUDY were only still mayor!

re: #60 ex cathedra

You might be onto something there. Better yet, outrageous drag queens!

re: #63 vagabond trader

There will be Jewish student groups protesting not allowed within a mile excercising their "free speech " rights, right?

There VAGA, I fixed it for ya !

Think these same students would give a "fundamentalist Christian" the time of day?

Iranian regime lover and supporter Prof. Dabashi is there. Ahmadinejad is going to meet him for sure.

I've been working and saving my ass off for the last 10 years to make sure my daughter has something I never had a college education, I'm starting to think it might be safer to just hand her the money on her 18th birthday and tell her to have a good time with it.

re: #64 buzzsawmonkey

Ironically, now if the put a quota back on Jews now, they'd probably be applauded for being PC. Would that mean that keeping the quota until the 60's was indicative of a premature PC? Being Ivy League and cutting edge of education, yada, yada, yada, and all that.

Just what the hell is wrong with the world?
This would work if someone stood up in the middle of his tirade and cut him off, before throwing him off of a cliff. If he can do that to dissidents in his country, well, you know what they say about what's good for the goose.

It occurred to me that Mahmoud may want to rethink wanting to see ground zero, even if the NY Americano invitation was yanked.

Something tells me there's a JDAM being calibrated with a GPS code "ground zero" looking to mate with a rainbow aura around someone's head - and this one will be blinking all the way to target.

re: #56 HDrepub

Are you seriously suggesting lynching him?

re: #73 sattv4u2

You may be correct to assume that they will not be allowed, but I have to ask if they are even interested.Sorry, I know a few Jewish students and sadly they are uber librals.

#44 meMarc

Here's the video of how Columbia University really feels about Free Speech when they ran the Minuteman off the stage:

The Death of the Grown-Up

Diana West: In considering the strong links between an increasingly paternalistic nanny state and the death of the grown-up, I found that Tocqueville (of course) had long ago made the connections. He tried to imagine under what conditions despotism could come to the United States. He came up with a vision of the nation characterized, on the one hand, by an "innumerable multitude of men, alike and equal, constantly circling around in pursuit of the petty and banal pleasures with which they glut their souls," and, on the other, by the "immense protective power" of the state. "Banal pleasures" and "immense state power" might have sounded downright science-fictional in the middle of the 19th century; by the start of the 21st century, it begins to sound all too familiar. Indeed, speaking of the all-powerful state, he wrote: "It would resemble parental authority if, fatherlike, it tried to prepare its charges for a man's life, but, on the contrary, it only tries to keep them in perpetual childhood." Perhaps the extent to which we, liberals and conservatives alike, have acquiesced to our state's parental authority shows how far along we, as a culture, have reached Tocqueville's state of "perpetual childhood."

This guy will be praying 5 times a day...wonder if the foot-washing baths are ready at Columbia and whatever hotel he's holing up in. Wouldn't want to offend him, after all.
/sarc.

re: #82 vagabond trader

They're young. Most will get over it!

I know I did. When I was a 20 +/- year old college student, I knew EVERYTHING, and how to fix ANYTHING in the world. The older I got, the more I realized the dumber I am!

Now THATS smart !

Anybody can talk at Columbia ... as long as they're not conservative or Republican or in favor of the war against Islamofascism or pro-Israel. Anybody. As proof of that, Ahmadinmeass is going to talk at CU.

Attenzione!

Mearsheimer and Walt are kicking off their nation-wide book tour in Berkeley this evening, for their book "The Israel Lobby."

I created this sardonic flyer for the event:

The Jewish Lobby, by Mearsheimer and Walt.

I am unable to attend tonight's reading, but if any local lizards have the cojones to download my picture, print it out, and either post it outside the event or hand it out as a flyer to atttendees, you have my permission!

Here are the listings -- it at 7:30 tonight in Berkeley:

Israel Lobby tour schedule

Bookstore's listing (it's at the church, not the bookstore.)

Feel free to pass this comment/link to anyoine else in the Bay Area who might be interested in documenting the evening's proceedings. I wish I could make it, but due to scheduling conflicts, I can't go!

(The picture is a revamping of an old "Protocols" edition.)

Had an interesting experience today...my newly-married son's bride has a birthday today...so, wanting to surprise her by having my son take home a bag full of presents for her from me, I tried to meet him halfway --at his second job...it turned out he wouldn't be there until too late for me to get back to his twin brother's high school, whom I drive school bus for as he doubles as tranny coordinator too (well...triples, since, besides teaching math and science, he also is the girls' soccer coach)...SO (this is getting long ): ...anyway :), I decided to see if the security desk at the major corporation my son programs computers for, would take the package and hold it until my son arrived...the whole drive out there, I sweated, fearing that, as the place very much resembles Gattica, that they would make me unwrap all the gifts to prove it wasn't a bomb...what actually did happen was very pleasant --no hesitation in accepting it from me, and very gracious and gentlemanly to boot! :)

I've been thinking all afternoon that, "it" is not here yet, and us who watch it growing, from the platform of LGF, have to be, in great measure, keeping "it" at bay by our constant alertness...no? :)

re: #77 bulwrk

I've been working and saving my ass off for the last 10 years to make sure my daughter has something I never had a college education, I'm starting to think it might be safer to just hand her the money on her 18th birthday and tell her to have a good time with it.

Buy her a house... it will be worth alot more , than giving all that money to some bleeding heart college, that will do nothing more than try to indoctrinate her with total stupidity...just saying IMHO.

Zombie: I wonder when they are going to write about the Saudi lobby, you know, the one that actually influences US foreign policy more than any other?

Will "spinning" mahmood's speech be a requirement for graduation from Columbia's Journalism School?

If memory serves, wasn't it Columbia that experienced the rash of college aged suicides not too long back?

re: #62 grumpy old codger

Will NYC and the NYPD want/be willing to protect him at CU any more than they could at the WTC? I would think the NYPD would decline this request also.

Exactly. Who, precisely, is supposed to provide for, and foot the bill for his security? The taxpayer via the NYPD? Columbia University?

re: #91 missouri boy

that is an idea I have given serious thought

Liberal, Modern: Someone who believes the the rest of Mankind has nothing better to do. Believes that the helpless and innocent should be attacked and deeply hates Western Civilization.

re: #58 Sizzlack

Charles-
If you have some file footage of Ahmadinejad leading a "Death to America" chant, I think now would be a good time to remind the dumber citizens of our nation that that is who Ahmadinejad really is.

Here's a good one...

Here too.

re: #92 Fjordman

Zombie: I wonder when they are going to write about the Saudi lobby, you know, the one that actually influences US foreign policy more than any other?

You got that right...saudis *spit*

(PLEASE POST THIS ANNOUNCEMENT AT OTHER WEBSITES)

The U.S. Senate Project (an initiative to increase congressional awareness of the nature and goals of jihad) currently has 89 volunteers in 40 states.

WE ARE STILL SEEKING ADDITIONAL CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS FROM ALL 50 STATES, ESPECIALLY THE FOLLOWING 11:

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THE PROJECT: We're looking for people in every state of the Union who would be willing to purchase, from Amazon or any other source, a copy of Robert Spencer's new book Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is And Islam Isn't and mail it, on an agreed upon date, to one of the senators in your state. We want to get the book simultaneously to all 100 senators, in order to send a strong message. If we get more than two people per state, books can also be sent to the U.S. House of Representatives.

If you'd like to participate (or you just have questions), please write to me at traehnam@yahoo.com under the subject heading "Senate," and tell me the state your senator represents, and a nickname. No need for your real name. And I will never share your email address with anyone, not even with other volunteers for this project.

And visit jihadawareness.blogspot.com to get more info on this project and to leave comments other volunteers can read. You can also see there the growing list of participants in this project, and the states their senators represent. I've also designed a graphic that might amuse. Scroll down when you get to the site.

Once we have at least two people from every state, we can agree on a mailing date and then each of us can mail a copy of the book on that date.

Right before each of us mails the book, we’ll issue a press release to media outlets in as many states as possible, and in that way announce and explain the mailing. And perhaps we can come up with some other ways of maximizing the effectiveness of this project and gaining as much positive attention as possible.

One of the project's volunteers suggested contacting Rep. Sue Myrick, who started the Anti-Jihad Caucus in Congress. I'll try to coordinate this project with Rep. Myrick. I've also been calling various congressional offices to get advice on how best to proceed.

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

You're right. The Left will use any means, twist any thing ,in order to achieve their goals. Lies, mistruths, partial truths are their tools. On the other hand, are you surprised?

At the rate things are going, I'm thinking that we should just invite Ahmedinejad to run for POTUS on a Demoncrat ticket one of these days.

re: #98 Ringo the Gringo

No, no! You've got that confused. That's the Dimocratic convention from 2004.

re: #77 bulwrk

I've been working and saving my ass off for the last 10 years to make sure my daughter has something I never had a college education, I'm starting to think it might be safer to just hand her the money on her 18th birthday and tell her to have a good time with it.

bulwrk...this guy, Brad, is true blue all the way through...know him and his family personally...check it out? :)

Liberalism is a mental disorder. These wackademics would have given Hitler a podium to discuss his plans for exterminating the jews.

re: #95 M. Bensson-Levi

I am thinking the professors need to take up a collection.
Let the commie bastards pay for it themselves.

US-led forces killed an Al Qaeda militant allegedly responsible for a string of car bombings in Iraq, including an attack that killed 202 people in Baghdad, the US military said on Wednesday.

Abu Yaqub Al Masri was shot dead on August 31 near the town of Tarmiyah, north of Baghdad, a statement said.

‘Al-Masri, who is also known as Zakkariya or Doctor, was a military advisor to Al Qaeda in Iraq leaders in Baghdad and the surrounding belts,’ the statement said.

The bad news that followed that is that the 1920's lost the village of Al Shuan to Al Qaeda earlier.

I don't think they will need any police security for ahmadinejad at columbia. Any one of those students in attendance will gladly take a bullet or jump on a hand grenade for that scum bag.

re: #103 goodbye_natalie

re: #98 Ringo the Gringo

No, no! You've got that confused. That's the Dimocratic convention from 2004.

LOL!

#84 Fjordman

Did you say Death of the Grown-Up?

re: #104 Ma Sands

thank you for the link will check it out.

Columibia University...hmmm...sounds familiar. Oh yeah, that bastion of Free Speech and intellectual debate. I thought I'd hear of it recently, like here:

CU Shuts Doors at Last Minute

and this goodie:

Petition to Support Shutting Down Free Speech

And there appear to be others. But, let a manaical (sp?) dictator show up and everything is "Free Speach, free speach, free speach" (misspelling intentional here).

GAAAGGGHHH! How can otherwise reasonable people take these academic (I are one too) Moonbastards seriously?

Aren't the intelligensia the first folks rounded up by fascists?

Sheep meet wolf...

committed to confronting ideas to understand the world as it is and as it might be.

Yes, if we only took the time to understand. What we did. To cause all of this. If we just took the time. To see what is coming. Better to give up now. Rather then later.

/they don't understand the meaning of committed. If they don't learn, soon they will be...

The Left will use any means, twist any thing ,in order to achieve their goals. Lies, mistruths, partial truths are their tools.

This is correct, but since we, the West, like to think that we are a civilization based on reason, how do we deal with those who are consciously destroying our ability to apply reason? I sometimes wonder whether a free society contains within itself the seeds of its own destruction, because those who desire calm, rational discussion about issues lose out to those who would like to destroy any possibility of presenting contrary viewpoints and simply impose their will on the public. That is what is happening with the Left today, isn't it? As much as I, being a conservative, hate their viewpoints, I am not trying to prevent them from presenting them, yet they use every means possible to muzzle people like me. Problem is: It works. They frequently win.

At this rate, Ahmadinejad will announce his candidacy for President of the Great Satan at Berkeley by Jan 08.

...and in other news.

George Bush is now twice as popular as the democratic congress.

29% approve of Bush
11% approve of Congress.
(they must not have polled the Hindu Kush)

Yup. The dems are going to kick ass in the next election.
Way to go Pelosi!
Way to go Reid!
Keep up the good work!

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

It should never be thought that merely to listen to ideas we deplore in any way implies our endorsement of those ideas, or the weakness of our resolve to resist those ideas...

There are no vile ideas they wouldn't have on campus for fear of giving ground to those ideas. Everything goes. Paedophilia, rape, ethnic cleansing. They'd be only too happy. Sure.

It is a critical premise of freedom of speech that we do not honor the dishonorable when we open the public forum to their voices. To hold otherwise would make vigorous debate impossible.

What kind of logic do they teach at Columbia? To regard the dishonorable as worth of debate, vigorous or otherwise, is to dignify it, and to dignify it is to honor it. To honor it at a major institution of learning is to give it that institutions imprimatur, however deep (or high) the denial may go.

re: #13 uptight

Good point about gays' and womens' rights. Why is it that these special interest groups bicker about little things they don't like about America and the conservatives are left holding the bag when it comes to defending human rights abroad? Maybe it will take a conservative to go there and ask Ahmadinejad about all the gay people he hung recently simply for being gay. He needs to be called on these atrocities.

This is bad craziness. Sorry, Charles.

Once again.

Don't fall for the smoke and mirrors.

This is just a way for the islamo-libs at Columbia to give the finger to George Bush and the Neo Cons.
It has nothing to do with free speach.

re: #118 right wing zephyr

will he do it in the nude while sitting in a tree?

re: #87 sattv4u2

lol, got that right! What's worse, I used to be one of those lame brain kids. Reality hit a bit sooner than it will this crop thankfully.

BtW: Stay away from Lebanese online news services for now. This am I hit one right after the blast in East Beirut searching to see what was going on. Picked up a new class of pernicious virus that nobody has a cure for, I spent six hours today digging through the system removing files and registry keys. It's named
qudasud and qudasud460. It loaded a buttload of spyware, several keyloggers, a replicator and a rootkit. I spent most of the day with the lan cable unplugged while erasing hidden files and services.
Warning: do not do a net search on the names above. Looks like the only sites on the net with info about them are traps.

This is the first time I've caught a virus on my PC, I am pretty well protected. So for now stay away from Lebanese sites...

re: #124 hous bin pharteen

Absolutely correct.

re: #124 hous bin pharteen

This is just a way for the islamo-libs at Columbia to give the finger to George Bush and the Neo Cons.
It has nothing to do with free speach.

Exactly.

...But don't call them "libs", there's nothing Liberal about them.

They're Leftists.

re: #87 sattv4u2

re: #82 vagabond trader

They're young. Most will get over it!

I know I did. When I was a 20 +/- year old college student, I knew EVERYTHING, and how to fix ANYTHING in the world. The older I got, the more I realized the dumber I am!

Now THATS smart !

It should hit about the time they realize they don't like bad bands and cheap beer.

I would also like to invoke a major theme in the development of freedom of speech as a central value in our society.

What a novel idea. Why didn't anyone ever think of this before?

Ya know, that's such a great idea that I'd like to see it as an amendment to the Constitution.

re: #106 hous bin pharteen

Yeah, that should do it. Liberals are that way about everything but THEIR money. They'll probably raise enough for a pamphlet on "The Techniques of Non- Violent Resistance in Opposition to a Lynch Mob...Revised Edition", and ask it to be read to him.

Or call in The Fruits of Islam ( no error there ).

So if Columbia is doing this to promote dialogue and tolerance...are we supposed to use those two methods after Ahmadickface has nuked Israel?
Tolerate it?
Talk to him about it?

Anyone for a "Citizen's Arrest?" That is all - that I am willing to say at this moment.

-S-

re: #127 Thanos

Oh, man. Sorry for you. Thanks for the warning.

I wonder were there any leftists running from the white smoke from the streets this summer shouting "this is it!" I'd heard that NYC folk were scared, but wonder can a leftist be that aware, and then "turn it off?"

Or do they truly think that because they hate W as much as our enemies do, that they won't get hurt?

re: #135 Ma Sands

re: #127 Thanos

Oh, man. Sorry for you. Thanks for the warning.

Heh, it's what I get, I spend too much time at dangerous sites in foreign countries.

Oh. I get it. Send your kids to school here and let your insane leaders speak here but call for our 'death' and bomb us because we're the 'great satan'...wtf?

Don't look at me! I ran for Manhattan Borough President (in 2005) and finished a distant second.

The current Manhattan Borough President is hard at work...teaming with the NY Civili Liberties Union to prevent military recruitment in schools!

Only if all those blind moonbats could see that this is his attempt at one bigass PR stunt.
So when the missiles start flying and all of us are screaming for his head
the lefties can pull out video of him laying a wreath at ground zero
and tell us "but look...he cares"

re: #129 Ringo the Gringo

Ringo -

Not Leftists, was one, did that. We still believed in the PROMISE of the USA. These folks are NIHILISTS - they believe in the great NOTHING, a/k/a DEATH! That is all.

-S-

"Necessarily, on occasion this will bring us into contact with beliefs many, most, or even all of us will find offensive and even odious."

Why?
Why?
Why?

Why is this "necessary"? I'm not suggesting we should always only listen to views that match our own, but hearing differing opinions is a FAR CRY from hosting and supporting a man who has endorsed the wholesale mass murder of entire races of people and countries, including our own. This is not a speech by someone who differs with our political stance - this is allowing a killer, a sadistic sociopath who would as soon kill the students at Columbia as look at them, to stand on our soil, at one of our institutions of higher learning, and spew his vitriolic hatred. At our expense, of course - financially and morally.

As always, I try to look at how this would go if the tables were turned - how many universities would invite Bush to speak in Iran? He wouldn't even be able to touch down in that country, for fear of being killed on the spot - at the very least, they'd protest until he was run out of town. And he's never once advocated for Iran to be wiped off the map, as their leader has said about us. So we roll out the red carpet for this madman, and pat ourselves on the back for being so enlightened and open minded.

I have to go hug my son now, and pray that things stop spiraling into this insanity before he is old enough to be harmed by it.

#111: I haven't read Diana West's book The Death of the Grown-up yet, but I will. I have been thinking a lot about the topic.

I sometimes wonder whether the post-modern West, and Western Europe in particular, should be dubbed the Fatherless Civilization. There is a striking absence and outright demonization of traditional male values. Any person asserting and enforcing rules and authority, a traditional male and fatherly preserve, is seen as a Fascist, reviled and ridiculed, starting from the top with God the father. The welfare state creates a society where people return to a state of perpetual childhood, being provided for by others, and live in a constant state of rebellion against their parents, their nation, culture and civilization. The welfare state hurts your self-respect, especially for men, because men's sense of self-worth is more closely tied to work, to provide for yourself and others. Without this, male self-respect, declines, and society with it.

The elaborate welfare state model in Western Europe is frequently labelled “the nanny state,” but perhaps it could also be named “the husband state.” Why? Well, in a traditional society, the role of men was to physically protect and financially provide for their women. In our modern society, part of this task has been “outsourced” to the state, which helps explain why women in general give disproportionate support to high taxation and pro-welfare state parties. According to anthropologist Lionel Tiger, the ancient unit of a mother, a child and a father has morphed from monogamy into "bureaugamy," a mother, a child and a bureaucrat. The state has become a substitute husband. In fact, it doesn't replace just the husband, it replaces your entire nuclear and extended family, raises your children and cares for your elderly.

Hasn't it been proven he's killing our soldiers? Parents at that university ought to be up in arms if nobody else is! Madness!

The staff at Columbia will be especially proud if Iran keeps this threat:
[Link: www2.irna.ir...]

re: #125 bulwrk

Are you kidding? Only apes-infidels would do that.

re: #144 Fjordman

Well spoken, sad to say.

re: #148 right wing zephyr

'sides it's shriveling weather there in Jan.

Any chance this guy will try to heckle Ahmadinejad with questions after he's delivered is speech?

I would like to add a few comments on the principles that underlie this event. Columbia, as a community dedicated to learning and scholarship, is committed to confronting ideas to understand the world as it is and as it might be and thumbing our noses at the Bush administration and any it supports.

Well Mr. Bollinger, given the points you have made, I presume that you will personally welcome the ROTC back to campus.

If not then you are despicable liar.

Enough said.

re: #144 Fjordman

Fjordman -

All y'all GOT THE PROGRAM - The Postal Person, who in their "appointed rounds" brings thee the Check - IS YER DADDY!, whether the Postal Person likes it or NOT!

-S-

dinnerjacket wants to Push the Button!

re: #136 daughter of patriots

I wonder were there any leftists running from the white smoke from the streets this summer shouting "this is it!" I'd heard that NYC folk were scared, but wonder can a leftist be that aware, and then "turn it off?"

Or do they truly think that because they hate W as much as our enemies do, that they won't get hurt?

that is what they think. that is how arrogant and naive they are. (btw, they were scared, but they've worked it out that bush is the ememy. they are now pulling w/ the head choppers who are sharpening their swords. libs heads will be the first to roll. their stupidity defies analysis.)

I would like to add a few comments on the principles that underlie this event. Columbia, as a community dedicated to learning and scholarship, is committed to confronting ideas to understand the world as it is and as it might be.

If only they thought that way when it comes to conservative thinkers, such as William Bennett, Clarence Thomas, Ward Connerly, Christina Sommers, etc., all of whom are rarely if ever are invited to speak at universities, and on the rare occasion when they are invited, are shouted down.

During Q & A session, question from audience member:

What's the best way to kill a woman who has committed adultery, or just accused of committing adultery?

a. Bury her up to her neck and have people throw rocks at her until her head pops off, being careful to observe the legal requirements of rock size (not too big or not too small).

b. Hook her up to a crane and lift her up slowly, forcing her into an agonizing death by suffociation.

re: #161 Confuzed

During Q & A session, question from audience member:

What's the best way to kill a woman who has committed adultery, or just accused of committing adultery?

a. Bury her up to her neck and have people throw rocks at her until her head pops off, being careful to observe the legal requirements of rock size (not too big or not too small).

b. Hook her up to a crane and lift her up slowly, forcing her into an agonizing death by suffociation.

I'd love to see that one asked!

re: #155 unclassifiable

Well Mr. Bollinger, given the points you have made, I presume that you will personally welcome the ROTC back to campus.

If not then you are despicable liar.

Enough said.

So, so right - "It's necessary to come into contact with views that we find odious, BUT NOT IF THEY'RE THE VIEWS OF REPUBLICANS, THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, OR ANY OTHER CONSERVATIVE GROUP OF ANY KIND. ANY PRO-MILITARY, CHRISTIAN VIEWPOINTS WILL BE IGNORED, DISCARDED AND BANNED FROM THIS CAMPUS, AFTER BEING LABELED HATEFUL AND RACIST, AND NO ONE CAN STOP US."

That's a bit more accurate.

ploome hineni, nyc redneck...

I've got all my info gathered now, for the system-clearing-of-the-effects-of-that-dirty-yello w- lung-infesting-dust-from-the-crashing-of-the-twin- towers...all I've got to do now is organize it into something readable & I'll be ready to give it to you.

Grateful for your patience. :)

This is gonna be one big campus lovefest. Standing ovations, supportive questions, banners denouncing "Zionists" and "the Bush Regime", lots of "peace scarfs" in the audience, etc.

Is this the same Columbia University that disinvites "conservative" speakers due to pressure from students?

So, Columbia must be saying that proposing treating students equally regardless of their ethicity is WORSE than actually funding and directing murderous terror attacks.

Which pretty much makes Columbia's "decision-makers" lower than whale crap.

It is difficult to overstate how much revulsion jackasses like that generate.

Profanity fails me.

Mandy, I had you in mind, 'specially, when I wrote this... :)

This is the first part of Bollinger's statement --

On Monday, September 24, the President of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is scheduled to appear as a speaker on campus. The event is sponsored by the School of International and Public Affairs, which has been in contact with the Iranian Mission to the United Nations. The event will be part of the annual World Leaders Forum, the University-wide initiative intended to further Columbia’s longstanding tradition of serving as a major forum for robust debate, especially on global issues.
In order to have such a University-wide forum, we have insisted that a number of conditions be met, first and foremost that President Ahmadinejad agree to divide his time evenly between delivering remarks and responding to audience questions. I also wanted to be sure the Iranians understood that I would myself introduce the event with a series of sharp challenges to the President on issues including:
·the Iranian President’s denial of the Holocaust;
·his public call for the destruction of the state of Israel;
·his reported support for international terrorism that targets innocent civilians and American troops;
·Iran's pursuit of nuclear ambitions in opposition to international sanction;
·his government's widely documented suppression of civil society and particularly of women's rights; and
·his government's imprisoning of journalists and scholars, including one of Columbia’s own alumni,
Dr. Kian Tajbakhsh.

The NYPD and the Port Authority Police as well as the Secret Service will not the little Hitler travel to Ground Zero because they cannot protect him.
Hopefully he cannot be protected at Columbia University. It would be just awful if something happened to him, especially if he was kidnapped and held hostage for 444 days.

re: #158 Sharmuta

Dinnerjacket wants to be the first idiot offed by the Unilateral Assured Destruction doctrine.

That the Left has not been more nihilistic and murderous is not its fault; it has had to moderate itself as it quietly spread corruption throughout the body politic.

I have been warning against this for some time. I have had long discussions as whether or not cultural Marxism is Marxism at all, or whether it is too far removed from traditional Marxism. They do place a greater emphasis on culture now than they originally did. Gramsci modified the economic determinism of Karl Marx because he perceived it (correctly) to be a quasi-religious doctrine. But they have retained their totalitarian nature, and their goals never changed as much as their strategies.

In order to break down any culture and create your Socialist society, you have to first break down the religion and the family structure, the foundation wall of any civilization. Since the West is a civilization with a special emphasis on reason, they had to break down that, too. If you look closely at the situation, this is exactly what has happened over the past generations. The Left has almost removed all impediments to their ideological hegemony, and when they sense that the time has come, mass murders will commence again. They always do.

Columbia University really is "the head of the snake" insomuch as they have been, historically, one of the main driving forces behind political correctness and the corruption of education in this country. Check it out and enjoy the read.

So Rush Limbaugh will be speaking at Columbia University ...?...

#144 Fjordman

Actually, my link was not to the book Death of the Grown-up, but to a relevant poem.

re: #165 Ma Sands

ploome hineni, nyc redneck...

I've got all my info gathered now, for the system-clearing-of-the-effects-of-that-d irty-yellow- lung-infesting-dust-from-the-crashing-of -the-twin-towers...all I've got to do now is organize it into something readable & I'll be ready to give it to you.

Grateful for your patience. :)

{ma sands} thank you.

Apparently the president of Columbia University, Lee Bollinger, is doing what he can to support Iran's quest for nuclear weapons, its desire to carry out nuclear genocide, and its drive to pursue nuclear jihad. If those were Bollinger's goals, what better way to support that agenda than to give a platform to Ahmadinejad?

The invitation would have gone out also to Herr Hitler, but Der Fuehrer was unavailable since his death at the end of WWII. So Bollinger took the next best thing, Ahmadinejad.

re: #152 kham

"Don't taser me, bro"

Phaugh. If the establishment of Columbia actually had any complaint with the ideas of Ahmadinejad, they would not invite him. They don't invite David Duke, even though ADJD is far to the right of Duke. They probably wouldn't invite the Junta now ruling Myanmar, even though by their own lights and their own warped standards, Myanmar's government is less oppressive than that of Iran.

human rights index, the guardian

Re: my #169
Sorry, forgot to cite the Link.

I know some of our esteemed lizards have suggested that these appeasement libs will fall under the sword of Islam.
I do not see it that way.

I think a better analogy is of those that collaborated with the Nazis in France, Belgium, Holland, Norway, etc.
They were glad the Nazis took over and had no problem helping them round up Jews, partisans, and other malcontents.
Ratted out their neighbors. Took government postilions, etc.
But they made their deal with the Devil. Never trust the Devil.

What happened to these people when the Germans were sent packing?
It was not pretty.

re: #172 Fjordman

In order to break down any culture and create your Socialist society, you have to first break down the religion and the family structure, the foundation wall of any civilization.

And that's what women's lib is all about. Put the women to work so the state can raise the children.

re: #172 Fjordman

Cultural Marxism. (It's not in-depth but, it's a pretty good summary.)

Islamofascist Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will speak at Columbia University

I hope the "Don't tase me, bro" guy will be there.

We trust our community, including our students, to be fully capable of dealing with these occasions, through the powers of dialogue and reason.

Yes, Columbia, we should have engaged Adolph Hitler with dialogue between 1933 and 1941. Maybe he would have become a Dominican monk instead of "The Fuhrer."

re: #185 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Let's send him a ticket.

The free exchange of ideas and engagement with those whose ideas we deplore is all well and good, but that's not what's going on here. Mamadinejad has a right to his opinions, of course, but I can engage with those opinions without inviting him to my house to hash it out face to face.

This is not an instance of engaging with someone's ideas. This is an instance of giving someone a platform and an air of legitimacy. He deserves a right to his opinion, he does not deserve to be validated.

What a bunch of tossers.

Grr.

re: #172 Fjordman

In order to break down any culture and create your Socialist society, you have to first break down the religion and the family structure, the foundation wall of any civilization.

The modern Liberal / left / Marxist "breaks down" culture like flesh-eating bacteria breaks down tissue.

The result is excrement and rotting flesh.

Kind of like the death camps of their model states.

re: #172 Fjordman

Fatefully for America, when Hitler came to power in Germany in 1933, the Frankfurt School fled - - and reestablished itself in New York City. There, it shifted its focus from destroying traditional Western culture in Germany to destroying it in the United States. To do so, it invented “Critical Theory.” What is the theory? To criticize every traditional institution, starting with the family, brutally and unremittingly, in order to bring them down. It wrote a series of “studies in prejudice,” which said that anyone who believes in traditional Western culture is prejudiced, a “racist” or “sexist” of “fascist” - - and is also mentally ill.

Most importantly, the Frankfurt School crossed Marx with Freud, taking from psychology the technique of psychological conditioning. Today, when the cultural Marxists want to do something like “normalize” homosexuality, they do not argue the point philosophically. They just beam television show after television show into every American home where the only normal-seeming white male is a homosexual (the Frankfurt School’s key people spent the war years in Hollywood).

re: #183 yah

The very first thing the Soviet Union did was work on destroying the family unit as the primary organizational social unit. Millions of children were removed from homes of parents who were not deemed sufficiently deferential to the Party line.

It's all the same old evil in different packaging.

re: #157 ploome hineni

ploomie -

I Call B.S. - The British Colonial Government by and large supported the ARAB community of "Palestine", had been so through the 1930's not to mention the 1920's/30's creation of Trans-Jordan absorbing most of the Palestinian Mandate as "Second Prize" after the Hashemis (King Abdullah II's ancestors) could NOT keep control of the Arabian Peninsula, after the perfidy of PHILBY, The Father. I DO believe that all y'all remember the "White Paper", that Document which SEVERELY limited JEWISH emigration to "Palestine", as "His Majesty's Jewish Brigades", a/k/a the HAGANAH, put it - we will fight the WHITE PAPER as if there is NO WAR and fight THE WAR as if there was no WHITE PAPER. After WWII my family supported the establishment of a Jewish State by legal and "not so legal" means. As the statute of limitations has long ago passed let's look at the RESULTS!
RESULTS -

1. Israel - A Productive Nation - Agriculturally, Somewhat Industrially - TRULY Could Have Been Better, Medicine - Fugeddaboutit, Israel is ON PAR with anyone and ahead of most, Information Technology - ON PAR or MORE.

2. Muslim World - FILL IN THE BLANK - BECAUSE IT IS BLANK, except for Koranic Studies.

AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.

-S-

re: #149 ploome hineni

So did this azzbackwards academic get tenure? Sounds like a good match for Ward Church.

So what's gonna happen when the Marxists collide with the Islamists?

that's what women's lib is all about. Put the women to work so the state can raise the children.

Yes. I recall one Chinese woman telling a journalist that Chinese women had never been as oppressed as Western women. She had heard Western feminists talk about how oppressed they were and assumed this to be true. I could mention a few words about foot binding, or about the fact that many Chinese girls even into the modern age didn't have names of their own; they were simply called Girl number 1, Girl number 2 etc. The truth is that Western women have, and have had for a long time, more freedom then the women of most other civilizations. The irony is that Western women never seem to forgive Western men for this, and even punish them for it.

The greatest stunt stealth-Marxists such as Betty Friedan ever pulled off was convincing many Western women that their civilization in particular was oppressive and needed to be brought down. This, combined with the welfare state and democracy of universal suffrage, turned many Western women into a weapon of mass destruction against their own civilization, which was the intention from the very beginning. It has been a remarkable effective strategy.

Of course, Leftists present this as being about "women's liberation," but if you notice, almost all of them also support Multiculturalism and mass immigration of alien cultures, Muslims in particular. This has now made Western women and their children unsafe in their own cities. Marxists never cared about women's freedom because they don't care about anybody's freedom; they fooled Western women into playing their game.

Lee Bollinger is a DICk...

I've never heard such a string of meaningless trip in my life. Would mediocre milktoasts have any job at all if there were not universities there to hire them? Test of his truthfulness: Try to get Rush Limbaugh to lecture and watch the chief clown ignore the little clowns as they vent their venum.

re: #195 yah

So what's gonna happen when the Marxists collide with the Islamists?

Already well under way. Didn't you catch Osama Bin Stalin's last speech?

Sounded like Al Gore on acid...

re: #195 yah

So what's gonna happen when the Marxists collide with the Islamists?

yah -

In this COLLISSION - Islamists WIN - Marxists LOSE!

/channeling - Ronald Wilson Reagan - Former US President

re: #196 Fjordman

You forgot the two "A"-level items that the Marxists have inflicted on the West. These are the twin pinnacles of Evil in the Western world, and until they are overcome we will remain barbarians at heart:

Atheism
Abortion

Guys guys. The dean is 100% correct.

If our public academic institutions prevent prolific public figures from speaking, then they are saying that their ideas cannot be countered by debate. Any idea with which you disagree should be fair game for debate. Ahmadinejad says that Muslim countries should have nukes because Israel and the US do, lets debate that. He says Israel should not exist because its cruel; lets debate that. At the end of the day, our ideas end up stronger and his will be weaker because he is wrong. In fact unstable regimes such as his should not have nukes; Israel is a bastion for freedom and hope for peace in the middle east. These debates need full airing. By not responding, we give his argument too much credit.

I would like to add a few comments on the principles that underlie this event. Columbia, as a community dedicated to learning and scholarship, is committed to confronting ideas to understand the world as it is and as it might be...(...)...To hold otherwise would make vigorous debate impossible.

Noble words. To bad this speech has no impact on the folks that disrupt speeches by The Young Republicans, Young Americans Foundation, any Jewish group, or in fact any group that doesn't support the leftist or Islamic agenda.

Ok. So they bum rush the Minuteman spokesman and Bollinger never condemns that , but the Iranian anti-Semite should have a forum. I bet Bollinger invites him over for tea and other things. God Bless America!

re: #201 Pro-Bush Canuck

"PBC" -

All y'all are getting close to "Rum, Romanism and Rebellion", the old anti - Catholic screed. If we are going to do something like that, let's get it RIGHT and CATCHY - "Like - Atheism, Abortion and Absolutism."

-S-

In 1984, a fictitious Columbia University fired Drs. Venkman, Stantz, and Spengler for busting ghosts. In 2007, the real Columbia University invites a madman who wants to vaporize millions of men, women, and children.

They have lost their minds.

None of their self-soothing words of moral relativism, or appeals to academic debate, will heal this gash. There is nothing moral or academic about it.

re: #196 Fjordman

Back in the 60's people laughed at me and made fun of me when I said women's lib was a communist plot. They sincerely thought I was crazy.
Some freinds actually gave me a glass etched with "Space Queen."

(I did do and say some other things that made them feel I deserved this title, like cocaine is the spirit of devil and such.)

re: #169 wee fury

I also wanted to be sure the Iranians understood that I would myself introduce the event with a series of sharp challenges to the President on issues including

Unless there is an opportunity to follow-up Ahmadinejad's slithering answers to the questions posed, he will come through even the toughest questions on his dispicable behavior quite well. Singular questions work totally in his favor and elevates him and his point of view. You would think that university presidents would understand this...This is really a horrendous decision.

re: #182 hous bin pharteen
The Islamic revolution in Iran wouldn't have succeeded without the support of Marxists, feminists and some liberal intellectuals. Quite soon thereafter they were imprisoned and executed. I think of them when I see all the female UCLA students who have adopted the hijab. It's a sure way to provoke their parents and grandparents who were able to leave Iran. Islam is replacing the left as the new way to be a rebel and cultivate a mystique of danger.

Looks like academia believes in free speech for America-haters only.
But that's been obvious for at least 30 years.

I don't think the pranks some suggested (mooning him, walking out en mass, etc...) would appeal to us simply because we have more class than they do.

I recently read (probably here) of a group of Communists addressing an American University a few decades ago. The students listened politely, then when the Q&A started, they politely asked some challenging questions, so much so, the Commies were utterly devastated long before the end.

I think this is the approach we should take. As attention-getting as the pranks are, we have the high ground when dealing with this lunatic and his ilk.

I guess it's letter writing day...

first it's Mayor Bloomingidiot

Then it's congress to stop the Dream Act

And now it's bollinger@columbia.edu

Oh. Let's make sure there is no criminal left unheard./
There are no words.

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re: #195 yah

So what's gonna happen when the Marxists collide with the Islamists?

Already well under way. Didn't you catch Osama Bin Stalin's last speech?

Sounded like Al Gore on acid...

Now that you mention it, Gore speeches do sound like somebody on acid.

re: #203 jonmayer

Guys guys. The dean is 100% correct.

If our public academic institutions prevent prolific public figures from speaking, then they are saying that their ideas cannot be countered by debate. Any idea with which you disagree should be fair game for debate. Ahmadinejad says that Muslim countries should have nukes because Israel and the US do, lets debate that. He says Israel should not exist because its cruel; lets debate that. At the end of the day, our ideas end up stronger and his will be weaker because he is wrong. In fact unstable regimes such as his should not have nukes; Israel is a bastion for freedom and hope for peace in the middle east. These debates need full airing. By not responding, we give his argument too much credit.

The problem with the dean's statement is that he's full of it - if he truly gave an audience to everyone he disagreed with, that'd be fine, but he doesn't. He will not let conservatives speak, he will not allow anyone that the student body protests against have a forum - his charming open mindedness is completely one-sided, and THAT'S the issue (ok, I have others, too, but that's a big one). He's a hypocrite.

re: #184 MandyManners

re: #172 Fjordman

Cultural Marxism. (It's not in-depth but, it's a pretty good summary.)

Thanks for that, Mandy. That is what I was trying to tell our fellow lizards last night in the UN/Islamophobia thread. I found that you posted this link on a later thread... it is a good one; everyone should read it.

This cultural marxism is the largest problem we in the West face... it is the weakness the Islamists are exploiting. Until we are willing to call out the cultural marxists, to name them, to highlight their lies, to counter their poisons, the peoples of the West will continue to dither as their inheritance is stolen away.

re: #203 jonmayer

I think the Dean is lying. She is going to suck up to him. Probably run upn on stage and give him a big smooch. He'll be horrified, but that's how dumb this bxxx probaly is.

Ahmadinejad at Ground Zero < mad> What has happened to this country.

Lay a wreath to the terrorists is what he'd be doing. Nice picture for the folks back home. That midget with his stupid smile, " Look at me! I'm insulting America on hollowed ground. I'm just a funny little crapweasel."

Oh it's hopeless.

Time to get out the scary clown costumes ala Stephen King with the name Mahmoud in big letters on each @ss-clown.

Fascists can not handle mockery.

All of Columbia's pious piffle about free speech, the exchange of ideas and vigorous debate is so much hot air. A university dominated by marxists, feminists, racial theorists and leftist crackpots has no commitment to free speech; quite the contrary as any conservative, Republican or anti-Islamist can tell you. If you're looking for respect for the opinions of others, open debate, freedom of thought and collegiality best avoid most American campuses.

I think conservative speakers should be pushed to the max on this school and every time they are refused or rebuked in any way this should be displayed PROMINENTLY in their faces. When they start with their "Conservatives are hate-filled" crap they can be reminded of how "tolerant" they are of other opinions.

"The Constitution is not a suicide pact." -- said by a Supreme Court Justice whose name I can't remember at the moment. A banner of this statement should be hung across the doorway of this speech location.

re: #217 Lorenska

The problem with the dean's statement is that he's full of it - if he truly gave an audience to everyone he disagreed with, that'd be fine, but he doesn't. He will not let conservatives speak, he will not allow anyone that the student body protests against have a forum - his charming open mindedness is completely one-sided, and THAT'S the issue (ok, I have others, too, but that's a big one). He's a hypocrite.

Wish I could have said that so well. (bold is mine)

Protest Ahmadiwannajihad at --

Stop Iran Rally
NYC
Daag Hamarskjold Plaza
2nd Ave @ 47th St.
Sept 24th
12 noon, rain or shine

i'm sure the columbia students will greet dinnerjackass more warmly than they greeted the Minutemen when they tried to address a group at the school earlier this year.

This is not free speech or academic freedom. Denying history is not an opinion. To say the Holocaust did not occur is like saying there was no slavery in this country. Neither is an opinion, both are misstatements of facts. An opinion would be the holocaust was bad or the holocaust was good. This is NOT free speech.

re: #225 caliphibian

"The Constitution is not a suicide pact." -- said by a Supreme Court Justice whose name I can't remember at the moment. A banner of this statement should be hung across the doorway of this speech location.

William Douglas. It had to do with the conviction of an anti-Semitic priest that had pro-Nazi leanings and was convicted of disorderly conduct. He stated, "The choice is not between order and liberty. It is between liberty with order and anarchy without either. There is danger that, if the court does not temper its doctrinaire logic with a little practical wisdom, it will convert the constitutional Bill of Rights into a suicide pact."
But I think Lincoln also stated something close to it. I found these references the other night for an article I was writing.

And so the dismantling of our culture continues.

You can’t change a society overnight. It’s incremental change. You don’t even notice it most of the time. It starts with headscarf’s in school, then footbaths in the men’s room, followed up, eventually, the forced acceptance of a religious belief system you don’t subscribe to - and along the way, you’ve somehow lost the ability or the strength to call something morally reprehensible. Resistance is futile. Any pushback is met with “fascist” or “Islamaphobe” or “racist”. Who are you to stop “progress”? Where everything, and I do mean everything, is subject to an ever-changing personal moral belief system, based on subjugation of the whole by the few. Just sit quietly - this won’t hurt a bit. The lack of personal moral convictions and the embrace of moral equivalency have just gotten your culture’s throat slit. Would you like that burka in black or black? It also comes in black. The stonings will definitely be televised.

I’m more disturbed by the little things now - by people who should obviously know the difference between right and wrong – good and evil. A religious psycho screaming death to America in some Middle Eastern ghetto? I kind of expect that. A college educated, citizen of the 21st century living in an affluent democracy (and all its benefits) inviting or attending a speech given by a mass murderer?

Makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

This is baaad crazy.

Hopefully the few Iranian communists who escaped the Iranian revolution will show up to this event with pictures of their executed comrades. Those Columbia moonbats should read up on what happened to the Iranian Communist Party because that is the future they seem to want for the world.

re: #231 Blue Chip

And so the dismantling of our culture continues.

You can’t change a society overnight. It’s incremental change. You don’t even notice it most of the time. It starts with headscarf’s in school, then footbaths in the men’s room, followed up, eventually, the forced acceptance of a religious belief system you don’t subscribe to - and along the way, you’ve somehow lost the ability or the strength to call something morally reprehensible. Resistance is futile. Any pushback is met with “fascist” or “Islamaphobe” or “racist”. Who are you to stop “progress”? Where everything, and I do mean everything, is subject to an ever-changing personal moral belief system, based on subjugation of the whole by the few. Just sit quietly - this won’t hurt a bit. The lack of personal moral convictions and the embrace of moral equivalency have just gotten your culture’s throat slit. Would you like that burka in black or black? It also comes in black. The stonings will definitely be televised.

I’m more disturbed by the little things now - by people who should obviously know the difference between right and wrong – good and evil. A religious psycho screaming death to America in some Middle Eastern ghetto? I kind of expect that. A college educated, citizen of the 21st century living in an affluent democracy (and all its benefits) inviting or attending a speech given by a mass murderer?

Makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

This is baaad crazy.

brilliant description of how our society fell so low already. And how we will fall further in the future. It's heartbreaking.

re: #228 _RememberTonyC

Regarding the Minutemen at Columbia . . . Bollinger said this:

I would like to bring everyone up to date on what we have done to respond to the October 4 student event featuring speakers from the Minuteman Project. At the time, I said that the disruption of that event constituted a serious breach of faith against an academic community built on the freedom to think, speak, debate, and disagree. . . As a result of that investigation, the University has notified a number of Columbia students that they will be subject to discipline for having violated the Rules of University Conduct. . .I must also report that several people unaffiliated with Columbia who were found to have jumped on the stage and actively engaged in the physical altercation have been informed that they are no longer permitted on the Columbia campus.

Entire letter to the student body is here.

Bollinger is making a hideous mistake by inviting scum such as Ahmadinnerjacket to the University.

This is so incredible noble of Columbia... I mean really. Ahmadinejad has so much trouble finding venues to exercise his freedom of speech. And why Columbia be concerned at all that by providing him with one, they are giving his "views" legitimacy? Next they'll be inviting David Duke, David Irving and Ernst Zundel (when he gets out of prison), all in the interests of "free speech".

re: #38 Atweber

LOL

Am waiting with great anticipation to see the first exclusive photos of President Bollinger wearing a T-shirt that says it all about the education at Columbia:

"Don't nuke me, Bro...I'm on your side"

re: #95 M. Bensson-Levi

Yo, Shana Tova MBL and Gmar Chatimah Tova.

We need to take this evil man very seriously. No one took Hitler seriously until it was too late. Millions of people died during the twelve years of Nazi reign because of the histrionics and hate of one man. German citizens acted like sheep - willing to stoop to the lowest rung of humanity in order to go along with Hitler's ideas. People were afraid to speak up against the Nazis. Those who did were killed or sent to concentration camps. Others took part in horrible deeds. Read Chapter One of Hotel Bolivia, by Leo Spitzer, to get some idea of what happened in Germany, then Austria, and throughout Europe. It's not a stretch to see Iran leading the way for unbelievable terrorism. They are funding now, as we speak.

I see the political correct "academics" and left-wing Democrats pandering to this vial creature - and it makes me sick. Freedom of Speech does not mean you can yell "Fire" in a crowded theater. Allowing him to spew his hate is disgusting and reflects the same mentality that allowed Hitler to rise to power.

re: #235 wee fury

Bollinger is making a hideous mistake by inviting scum such as Ahmadinnerjacket to the University.

As a nay vote, allowing him to speak in our nation lends legitimacy to a regime that is already correctly labeled as a terrorist sponsor country.

Further upthread, someone had a solid suggestion that people go and toss hardball questions at the end of the speech. Nothing shows these people in the proper light like good questions and their responses. They either answer honestly (in which case they show their true colors) or they waffle, hedge, hem and haw and evade the question (again showing their true colors).

re: #52 buzzsawmonkey

We must all remember to bring the rope with which to hang ourselves.

May I humbly suggest that they Tase everyone who gets in line to ask a question, just to simulate Iran and create a welcoming, homelike atmosphere for Ahmadinnerjacket.

OldLineTexan

During the occasion of Mahmoud Ahmadinejads visit to the UN, here in the USA, this seems like an appropriate time to air the following unpaid political message:

US out of the UN. The UN out of the US!

re: #241 Outrider

Further upthread, someone had a solid suggestion that people go and toss hardball questions at the end of the speech

You really think that will be allowed?
Really?

re: #245 hous bin pharteen

re: #241 Outrider

Further upthread, someone had a solid suggestion that people go and toss hardball questions at the end of the speech

You really think that will be allowed?
Really?

Tasers on disintegrate.

OldLineTexan

re: #211 buckykat

See.
That is where I part with your view.
They succeeded in Iran.
It will not succeed here.
Therefore, it is their fellow countrymen they should fear.
The countrymen they are selling down the river.

I’m confused: Is tolerating intolerance a sign of tolerance - or is not tolerating intolerance a sign of intolerance?

Leave it to the left to f*ck up something as simple as right and wrong...

re: #203 jonmayer

You have a lot to learn.

Some things you debate.

Some things you fight.

If you do not understand that, you have some major problems.

And meanwhile conservative speakers are in effect banned because the student groups can't afford the b.s. precautions the university imposes. To guard against the Righteous Wrath of the People rising up against the pigs, man!

re: #203 jonmayer

Guys guys. The dean is 100% correct.

Wait.
20 comments in a year?
And you waste one of them to defend the dean?
Why do I waste my time with trolls.

Will Kestral be there live blogging it?

These guys are so myopic from living in their Ivory Tower that they have become blind.

They would have invited Hitler and Stalin to speak, while Attila the Hun gave pony rides in the garden.

And these are the people educating the next generation?

Un-be-f*cking-lievable!

re: #244 Outrider

amen to that!

Wouldn't surprise me if they also displayed Dinnerjacket's "The Holocaust Never Happened" exhibit in his honor.

Re: Israel and Nato:

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re: #253 darkster2400

These guys are so myopic from living in their Ivory Tower that they have become blind.

They would have invited Hitler and Stalin to speak, while Attila the Hun gave pony rides in the garden.

And these are the people educating the next generation?

Un-be-f*cking-lievable!

"educating" is the operative word

re: #257 So?

you're right on - should have put it in sarcastic quotes

We can only pray that a sufficient number of personnel directors around this nation take note and REFUSE to accept applications from columbia graduates. A shredder in his/her office will dispense with those that arrive unsolicited. In the years that follow, these personnel directors should choose NOT to put columbia on their list of colleges and universities from which they will actively recruit.

Israel & NATO - try #2

[Link: www.thefreelibrary.com...]

This one's been in the chute for a while, waiting for just the right time...ladies and gentlemen, the time is now!

re: #261 hurricane567

LOL

Muslim students at Concordia University are probably loading up the buses so they can surge to Columbia U. and froth over their idol. Of course, they prevented Netanyu from speaking and broke windows causing a near riot.
It seems today's "educational" institutions only Islmofashits have the right to speak.

emphasis on "institution"

All you ever have to know about the mindset of Islamofascist...comes from a quote made by the Ayatollah Khomeini:

"We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. for patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let this land (Iran) burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world."

This mindset when coupled with the aquisition of nuclear power renders the (MAD)...mutually assured destruction strategy employed during the cold war...completely ineffective.

I think they should all be "institutionalized"!

denim straightjackets included

QUESTION PERIOD

Student: Mr. Ahmadinejad, have you ever considered getting a sex change? And if so, would you drive the streets of Saudi Arabia?

Contrast Ayatollah Khomeini quote with President Bush's which was made on September 20, 2001 just ten days after the Islamofacist declared war on the USA...

"We ahve seen their kind before. they're the heirs of all the murderous ideologies of the twentieth century. By sacrifcing human life to serve their radical visions, by abandoning every value except the will to power, they follow in the path of facism, nazism, and totalitarianism. And they will follow the path all the way to where it ends in history's unmarked grave of discarded lies."

I think he got it exactly right and it was only 10 days after the 9/11 attack. I really get a kick out of those people who think that President Bush is an uneducated idiot...his legacy will be bourne out in the years to come...his will be one of perserverance, courage and greatness.

Just having Ahmadinejad come to this part of the world makes me nauseous. How will we every get the stench out of NYC afterwards?

I wonder whether things can really go lower than this. A ruler who sends weapons and men to murder our citizens being invited to address our university. Is there a lower rung for our academic culture?

I think this is Columbia's moment of infamy. Perhaps this is the point at which they've jumped the shark. This is something you really can't go back from.

#196 Fjordman:

The greatest stunt stealth-Marxists such as Betty Friedan ever pulled off was convincing many Western women that their civilization in particular was oppressive and needed to be brought down. This, combined with the welfare state and democracy of universal suffrage, turned many Western women into a weapon of mass destruction against their own civilization, which was the intention from the very beginning. It has been a remarkable effective strategy.

Excellent observations, as usual.

Feminism has got to be one of the most destructive lies ever foisted on us, and we are still paying the price. I see 30-something women all the time conflicted about what to do with their life – in fact, I used to be one of them. Many women think career is the pinnacle of life, when in fact there is no employer on earth who considers you as irreplaceable as your own kids do. My heart goes out to the 40-and 50-something women, who thought they could live the feminist dream and stay young forever by not getting married or having kids. I have friends like this, and they are not happy people. They are basically immature and narcissistic. They have nothing to show for all those years – the career didn’t turn out quite as fulfilling as they had hoped, the trade-in on boyfriends isn’t yielding the kind of quality man they were hoping for -- but it’s too late to do anything about it. Western women have got to reject this “oppression” bullshit and realize just how good they have it. Look at the female professors and intellectuals who promulgate this crap. Forget about looking like one of them. Would you want to BE one of them? I have a Ph.D. in English, and in all my years of college, I never met a single female humanities professor whom I actually wanted to emulate. Most were embittered Marxists with serious problems, both personal and intellectual. I realized years ago that the biggest liberator of homemakers like me has not been the feminist movement, but washers, dryers, dishwashers, vacuums, cars --- all the fruits of the “oppressive” capitalist system that Marxists so revile. Oh, and another liberator is my beloved husband, who earns the bread so I have time to sit here and type messages like this.

This war with Islamofascism has given rise to a war of ideas on the home front. It is a war in which those of us who see Islamofascism as the latest mutation of the totaliterian threat to our civilization and who insist on the correlative necessity of meeting and defeating it, are pitted against those who think that the threat has been wildly exaggerated and does not in any case require a military response. Academia, Columbia University included has cast its lot with the latter.

In its own way, this war of ideas is no less bloody than the one being fought by our troops in the Middle East. Having broken out in the smoldering ruins of the World Trade Center, it got a boost with the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, gathered steam with the invasion of Iraq in 2003, escalated with the presidential election campaign of 2004, heated up even further with the congressional election campaign of 2006 and the best is yet to come from the the presidential election campaign of 2008.

The question of whether and to what extent the American people of our generation can or will discharge the responsibility that 9/11 imposed on us will ultimately be answered by the outcome of this great war of ideas on at home.

Please...just tell me Cindy will not show up at the event for a photo ops.

Actually, having her covered might actually be an improvement...

#271 : Ironike

An A+++ for your posting. Thank you.

Ah mad JIhad man On Monday, September 24, the President of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is scheduled to appear as a speaker on campus...

President Bollinger's Statement About
President Ahmadinejad's Scheduled Appearance

Free Speech will Include: "possibly?" or more likely.

""Do the removal of Israel before it is too late and save yourself from the fury of regional nations," " -- A threat to the United States of America, and some European nations.

I say he is an enemy combatant – seize him, put him into prison. His Free Speech has implicated him as such.

“"Look, this is the third generation standing here and they are even more religious, more informed, more enthusiastic and more resistant (than the first generation) to defend the ideals of the revolution," Ahmadinejad said.”

See: For AMadjihadman, the World is in for a Islamic Revolution. Can't wait.

Dpa, Ahmadinejad: Israel 'will be removed' ( Bangkok: Bangkok Post, 2007. [ available online]

We trust our community, including our students, to be fully capable of dealing with these occasions, through the powers of dialogue and reason.

News alert!

The invited eminence is not familiar with either dialogue or reason. The elite student body should look up " monologue" and "dogma" in preparation for the august event. And how special it will be...

Turkish PM says wants to lift headscarf ban

[Link: sheikyermami.com...]

Soumaya Ghannoushi @ Comment is free:
Pissing on America: The fantasy world of a hijabbed Muslimah
An eldorado for moonbats and Muhammedans, the Guardian’s 'comment is free' section provides a forum for the strangest crackpots with an agenda. For quite some time now, Muhammedan agit-props provide the preferred diet for the ‘progressives’ who bother to post at the Grunard.

I see In the comments section of this article, they mention that they plan on settnig him up for a grueling Q&A.

To the left that means asking him what brand of underwear he prefers versus his favorite kind of sweater.