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Daily Kos: 'I Don't Support the Troops..oops, There, I Said It'

Wed, Sep 19, 2007 at 5:51:40 pm PDT

A significant percentage of the new mainstream voice of the Democratic Party thinks like this: Daily Kos: I Don’t Support the Troops..oops, there, I said it.

These kinds of diaries have a way of suddenly disappearing when pragmatic administrators notice the link from LGF. So here’s a screenshot, followed by the full text of this Daily Kos writer’s argument against supporting the US military.

This has been digging at me for, oh, about 4 years now. I have been hesitant to express this thought, in comments sections and in discussion with other people about the Iraq quagmire for fear of, I don’t know, being called mean. Or, un-American. Or something.

Supporting the troops essentially means supporting the illegal war. It seems that us anti-war types have been doing all sorts of mental and philisophical gymnastics to try and work around this. What has emerged is a sort of low impact, mealy-mouthed common wisdom that is palatable to everyone but is ultimately going to allow us to stay in Iraq for years to come.

Even Jim Webb’s shelved equal time legislation carries the scent of this erroneous wisdom.

Now, I don’t intend to demean Jim Webb. He is determined and impressive in his stance against the war and the crippling of our military. But this kind of legislation allows us to comfortably continue to support acts of aggression, as long as we give the troops a long enough break in between.

Until we have another draft, this is a volunteer armed services. I am not even beginning to count the numerous mercenaries that are involved in the occupation.  You signed up, you get to go to the desert and risk being shot at by brown skinned people who don’t believe the lies you’ve been told. A war of aggression is immoral, period. If you believe in God, you can damned well be sure you are going to hell for your participation in it. The only troop I support is the man or woman who refuses to be deployed so that they can make the middle east accessible to profiteers who don’t give a flying F about morality or democracy. Or a soldier’s life.

When Sunni tribes got paid off enough to stop shooting at GIs and instead shoot at Al-Qaeda (in reality themselves) it is funny how they suddenly became Freedom Fighters.  During WWII, French resistance fighters were also called terrorists and insurgents by their German occupiers. Can an anti-war proponent look at these Iraqi resistance fighters with the same admiration, even though they worship differently than us and when they eventually win are likely to install a distasteful (to Americans) theocratic tinged state. Can a person who doesn’t believe in violence support that people’s right to govern themselves, perhaps violently.

I am sorry but supporting the troops means supporting this illegal war.

(Hat tip: Killgore.)

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1 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 5:52:33pm

And yet, they still defend your right to free speech, asshat.

2 WhiteRasta  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 5:54:12pm

Gramscian whore.

3 gibsonz  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 5:54:22pm

Same tripe,different day!

4 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 5:54:48pm
5 me  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 5:54:58pm

F*ck kos

OOPS I mean Screw Kos

6 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 5:55:27pm

Scroll through those komments, lizards. Not a single accusation of trolling. Accusation of Rovian false flag to appear in 5...4...3...

7 kingronjo  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 5:55:39pm

well, there ya go, finally equating the military for Nazis.

At least I respect this guy. he makes no bones that he thinks the US military sucks, more than Hillary and Nancy will do.

8 Thanos  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 5:56:01pm
Now, I don’t intend to demean Jim Webb. He is determined and impressive in his stance against the war and the crippling of our military.

Proud of who you elected Virginia?

9 trailortrash  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 5:56:18pm

have you thanked a vet today?

10 WhiteRasta  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 5:57:37pm

re: #1 rabidsquirrel

It's only free speech when the moonbats are barking.

11 pegcity  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 5:58:14pm

they supported Slick Willy's illegal war

12 bushleague  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 5:58:15pm

I hope this stays up actually. It will be interesting to see Shrillary, et. al. separate themselves from the Kossacks with this up on the board.

13 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 5:58:25pm

I {heart} this 'illegal' war.

14 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 5:58:28pm

Does this idiot really think it's revealing some sort of secret?

15 kingronjo  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 5:58:30pm

the war isnt crippling our military, Democratic administrations cripple our military-

see, Carter, James Earl and Clinton, William Jefferson

Imagine the beating Hillary will do to it if she is elected and her and Nancy fund peace initiatives instead. All the while our enemies are encouraging us and arming themselves.

16 gruvin  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 5:58:37pm

"WHO DON'T BELIEVE THYE LIES YOU'VE BEEN TOLD" wtf? Does this asshat even begin to comprehend the lies the insurgents have been told? 72 virgins? The caliphate? I'll take Bushitlermcchimpy Halliburtons lies any day...

17 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 5:58:50pm

re: #10 WhiteRasta

re: #1 rabidsquirrel

It's only free speech when the moonbats are barking.

That's not speech, that's 'troof'!

18 buckykat  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 5:59:23pm

They view the troops like they do Bush. Our soldiers are pathetic, stupid brainwashed kids who joined the military because they have no opportunities in life (like going to Columbia). Somehow they're simultaneously evil incarnate because they enjoy killing innocent civilians.

19 Dread Pirate Jheka  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 5:59:45pm
20 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:00:14pm
21 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:00:51pm
, French resistance fighters were also called terrorists and insurgents by their German occupiers. Can an anti-war proponent look at these Iraqi resistance fighters with the same admiration, even though they worship differently than us and when they eventually win are likely to install a distasteful (to Americans) theocratic tinged state. Can a person who doesn’t believe in violence support that people’s right to govern themselves, perhaps violently. %uFFFD

That's about as good proof that the "anti-war" movement is actually anti-American as you'll ever see.

22 jones  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:01:23pm

Remember the moonbat who says the left spends too much time on deep thought and the right shouts slogans?

My guess is Rove has a machine that shuffles stock slogans for the left and they turn out as new articles.

This is a nice example, well done Mr. Rove, I mean Kos.

23 WhiteRasta  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:02:11pm

re: #17 rabidsquirrel

Yea. I know. I get so depressed seeing the dinosaur media giving the bat-shit loonies "equal time".

Does anyone have any idea what our Civilization would look like if the loonies ran it?

24 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:03:14pm

re: #14 eastvillageinfidel

Does this idiot really think it's revealing some sort of secret?

In a way, yes. He's admitting it to himself. Moonbats try really hard to convince themselves that they are the one who support the troops and are pro American. They don't really believe it deep down but they try hard to convince themselves.
Is Chen still around?

25 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:03:57pm

And of course, it didn't take long for the this insane drivel to pop up:


They put their lives on the line; yes... (0 / 0)

but they also are trained to kill people. They are not there to risk their lives in any heroic fashion. They are armed killers first and foremost.

Yes, it is admirable that they put their lives on the line, but the people they shoot, for the most part, are also putting their lives on the line.

Bah! Clintobaward will devour all other candidates!

by o really on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 05:08:20 PM PDT

[ Parent ]

This waste of human flesh has obviously never known an American soldier.

26 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:03:58pm
27 Sifty  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:04:22pm

Gosh, it's almost like we have been right in questioning their patriotism. Cosmic. It's like we knew all along they were asshats.

28 nyc redneck  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:04:37pm

look how glib this imbecile is w/the "ooops, there. i said it" bs. this jerk has no idea what's going on in the world.

29 easy  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:05:01pm

You can almost see the ignorance oozing out of his ears.

30 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:05:12pm

re: #23 WhiteRasta

re: #17 rabidsquirrel

Yea. I know. I get so depressed seeing the dinosaur media giving the bat-shit loonies "equal time".

Does anyone have any idea what our Civilization would look like if the loonies ran it?

San Francisco, minus the good parts?

31 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:05:14pm
I have been hesitant to express this thought, in comments sections and in discussion with other people about the Iraq quagmire for fear of, I don’t know, being called mean. Or, un-American. Or something.

Something? How about "FUCKING ASSHOLE"?

32 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:05:40pm

re: #26 buzzsawmonkey

I stole the concept from Zombie. It explains a lot of moonbat behaviour.

33 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:06:05pm
34 datadude  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:06:11pm

Life must get pretty complicated when you're
always thinkin' with (and about) your rectum.

35 Murqtaad  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:07:05pm
"I am sorry but supporting the troops means supporting this illegal war."

The author and I agree on one thing. They are indeed "sorry". Pathetic is a better word, but close enough.

36 peck  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:07:30pm

I too have been puzzling over the apparent contradition of those using the phrase "I support the troops" while simulaneously stabbing them in the back by take all possible actions to insure their defeat.
Am left wondering what 'supporting the troops' actually means. Is it: 1) love the sinner, hate the sin; 2) lip service to sound like one really gives a fig about the human beings who believe in sacrificing their all for your right to engage in ignorant praddling; 3) it's a dirty job and we are really glad we have a volunteer army so somebody else gets dirty and we parasites don't have anything to risk; 4) allowing some schmuck like John Murtha to claim he is an honorable man because he was once a marine; 5) an opportunity to reveal profound and true hypocrisy.
Hmmm...pondering truth as opposed to troof.

37 WhiteRasta  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:08:05pm

.."but they also are trained to kill people. They are not there to risk their lives in any heroic fashion. They are armed killers first and foremost..."

George Orwell stated that we can sleep well in our beds, because there are rough men willing to do violence to our enemies.

Or words to that effect.

I hope there are Lizards smarter than I who can link to a direct quote.

38 Blackacre  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:08:25pm
the Iraq quagmire . . . the illegal war . . . acts of aggression . . . brown skinned people who don’t believe the lies you’ve been told . . . A war of aggression . . . Iraqi resistance fighters . . . illegal war . . .

Stuck on stupid.

39 stevieray  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:08:40pm
When Sunni tribes got paid off enough to stop shooting at GIs and instead shoot at Al-Qaeda (in reality themselves) it is funny how they suddenly became Freedom Fighters.

I like the part where he says that the Sunni tribes and Al Qaeda are the same thing... that'll go over well.

40 nyc redneck  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:08:52pm

re: #33 buzzsawmonkey

re: #28 nyc redneck

It's very Britney Spears, isn't it?

"Oops, I did it again
I dumped on the troops"

Or something like that.

exactly like that. a really clueless fool.

41 Sifty  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:09:00pm

re: #33 buzzsawmonkey

This guy obviously hasn't checked the Kelly Blue Book on Loony Liberal Assholes. If he did, he'd find he is worth far less and not nearly as cute as he thinks he is.

Whoops indeed.

42 datadude  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:09:06pm

re: #38 Blackacre
Roger that.

43 mjk  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:09:33pm
A war of aggression is immoral, period.

Um, dumbass. What do you think World War II was? What do you think the Allies were doing invading Normandy or fighting in North Africa? Or bombing Dresden into dust?

Perhaps you'd like to explain that "a war of aggression is immoral" to someone whose life was saved by a "war of aggression."

Moron.

44 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:09:47pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Well, yes. But just because it was not aware of it's own feelings doesn't mean it was a secret. It's more of an admission of reality. But hey, admitting there's a problem is the first step to recovery, eh?

/little hope for it's recovery tho.

45 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:09:53pm

#6 addendum: Here they are, right on time...

Trolled; I at least want to have done that when
Bill O'Reilly talks about how Daily Kos hates the troops.


...

TR'd for telling troops that they deserve hell
lurxst wrote about American soldiers fighting the war in Iraq: "If you believe in God, you can damned well be sure you are going to hell for your participation in it."

So lurxst doesn't stop at merely "not supporting" the troops; lurxst goes even further and consigns them to hell.

They'll change the tag on the diary to LGF troll any minute.

46 Racer X  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:10:04pm

After reading some of the comments it is clear to me they DO support troops. Just not American troops.

47 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:11:56pm

re: #39 stevieray

When Sunni tribes got paid off enough to stop shooting at GIs and instead shoot at Al-Qaeda (in reality themselves) it is funny how they suddenly became Freedom Fighters.

I like the part where he says that the Sunni tribes and Al Qaeda are the same thing... that'll go over well.

I guess they can finally stop claiming that there is no al-qaeda in Iraq, then.

48 tubbyhubby  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:11:59pm

I almost choked with a simultaneous Aaaarrrggghhh! and Grrr!

49 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:12:19pm
50 Perplexed  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:12:33pm
A war of aggression is immoral, period. If you believe in God, you can damned well be sure you are going to hell for your participation in it.

Ah yes, a quote from someone who obviously lacks any knowledge what so ever of any morality based belief system. Look into the Old Testament to see where there were wars of aggression called out by G_d. All wars are wars of aggression. If the one who was attacked turns around and pummels the attacker does that now mean that the attacked will go to hell because they've become the aggressor? Strange thinking on the part of L^3.

Oh, and by the way what right do you have to determine where a person will spend the rest of eternity? Doesn't that put you on par with the Creator? Isn't that presumptuous?

51 Sifty  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:12:55pm

re: #46 Racer X

After reading some of the comments it is clear to me they DO support troops. Just not American troops.

Indeed.
But troops wear uniforms.
Terrorists wear dirty nightshirts and put bombs in dead sheep.
They support the terrorists.
A small point, but one Leahy and Specter can't seem to grasp.

52 kreigwagon  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:13:01pm
During WWII, French resistance fighters were also called terrorists and insurgents by their German occupiers. Can an anti-war proponent look at these Iraqi resistance fighters with the same admiration, even though they worship differently than us and when they eventually win are likely to install a distasteful (to Americans) theocratic tinged state.


Hello (knocking on moonbat's wooden head), logic, is there any logic in there?

Moonbat, this is not WWII. Did the French Terrorists as you call them, did they hijack planes to crash into buildings? Did your French Terrorists blow-up innocent women and children? Did your French Terrorists Kill innocent children like the REAL TERRORISTS did in Beslan? Not denigrate the French, but IMHO, they couldn't terrorize their way out a of a paper bag.

53 mjk  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:13:20pm

#25

Yeah, they definitely don't know any military people. Any time you assume that an American soldier is equal to a Muslim terrorist, you have a distinctive and childish misunderstanding of what the military is. Or how very amazing people in the military are.

Then again, the "author" of that thought probably thinks all Israelis are cold blooded murderers who would suck his/her blood and steal all his/her money. Because higher form thinking seems to not be this person's forte.

54 RightOfAtilla  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:13:41pm

re: #49 song_and_dance_man

Eloquent even,,,

55 ROPMA  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:13:48pm

If they won't stand behind our troops maybe they should stand in front of them.

56 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:13:55pm

re: #31 MandyManners

I have been hesitant to express this thought, in comments sections and in discussion with other people about the Iraq quagmire for fear of, I don’t know, being called mean. Or, un-American. Or something.

Something? How about "FUCKING ASSHOLE"?

Assholes serve a purpose. This f*ckstain serves no purpose, save that of poster child for the pro-choice movement.

57 nikis-knight  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:14:47pm
When Sunni tribes got paid off enough to stop shooting at GIs and instead shoot at Al-Qaeda (in reality themselves) it is funny how they suddenly became Freedom Fighters. During WWII, French resistance fighters were also called terrorists and insurgents by their German occupiers. Can an anti-war proponent look at these Iraqi resistance fighters with the same admiration, even though they worship differently than us and when they eventually win are likely to install a distasteful (to Americans) theocratic tinged state. Can a person who doesn’t believe in violence support that people’s right to govern themselves, perhaps violently

This is a really poorly written paragraph. I'v eread it 3 times and I'm not sure what he's trying to say, mostly because leftists so misuse language. Are the resistance fighters Al qaeda or the tribes working with us? Who is he considering admiring? Al Qaeda or the Iraqis fighting them? And what really is the alternative to supporting a peoples right to govern themselves? And really, why would that even think to ask that question, after supporting Stalin, Mao, Saddam, etc.?

I guess moral confusion does not breed rhetorical clarity.

But anyway, does this surprise anyone? Does anyone believe that Kos Kiddies support our troops? Or that leftists believe in ANY peoples right to govern themselves? Nevermind Iraqis, they don't believe Americans are competent to spend their own money, choose their health care, etc.

58 Perplexed  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:15:57pm

re: #56 rabidsquirrel

Perhaps they do serve a purpose as a poster child for birth control (look up Margret Sanger and some of her writings).

59 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:16:19pm
60 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:16:54pm

"You signed up, you get to go to the desert and risk being shot at by brown skinned people who don’t believe the lies you’ve been told"

"When Sunni tribes got paid off enough to stop shooting at GIs and instead shoot at Al-Qaeda (in reality themselves)"

I knew the left was anti-American what really stood out for me was the racism implied in the thought that just because they happen to be "brown skinned" they must all think alike and all fight on the same side.

61 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:17:03pm
This has been digging at me for, oh, about 4 years now.

So, how old is he now? 8?

62 reaganII  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:18:11pm

When the Jihadis come for DailyKos they will be the first to go because it has already been determined that they are traitors to their Country.
Bye Bye Kos

63 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:18:21pm

re: #49 song_and_dance_man

re: #31 MandyManners

Once again, no mincing of words.

Life's too short.

64 Racer X  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:18:47pm

Koslings,

In case you missed it, read Michael Totten's report from Anbar.

You will be proud of our troops.

65 Perplexed  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:19:02pm

re: #61 Kreuzueber Halbmond

This has been digging at me for, oh, about 4 years now.

So, how old is he now? 8?

Around 6 ish with recent memories of full diapers.

66 datadude  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:19:03pm

re: #55 ROPMA
They aren't the type to 'stand' anywhere...they're
the type that likes bending over.

67 Sifty  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:19:05pm

re: #61 Kreuzueber Halbmond

I hope he didn't get chocolate on the keyboard from his fudgicle.

68 Liege  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:19:11pm

His writing, as well as his thinking, is "Chock Full 'O Nuts".

69 Ma Sands  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:19:14pm

re: #63 MandyManners

:)

70 stevieray  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:19:24pm

re: #57 nikis-knight

I think he is saying that the US is the Germans, AQI is the French resistance, and I guess that means the Sunni tribes are the Vichy...

71 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:19:30pm

re: #56 rabidsquirrel

I agree with the anger but, not the statement.

72 Luigi  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:19:35pm

I went to see Daniel Pipes speak Monday night in a Jewish center in Newtown, PA. The subject of the talk was the threat to Israel's existence. I took some notes. Here are my notes:

Fifteen years ago Zionism was accepted. Now this has changed in that the question of Israel's existence is open and debated by politicians, artists, journalists and others in and out of the Arab world.

This change has come about because of:

Rise of radical Islam
Iran's "second wind"
The left turning against Jews and Israel
Mistakes by Israel and the American government.

Israel's big mistake was shifting from an overall policy of deterrence to one of appeasement. From 1948 until the Oslo accords the deterrence policy was based on winning wars. Since 1993 ans the Oslo concessions, appeasement is the current policy.

The goal of the Arabs is the elimination of Israel. The goal of Israel is acceptance. There is no possibility of compromise between the two positions. Negotiated settlement is not possible.

The question is: Who's going to continue to have the will to go on to reach their goal? Israel or the Arabs? It is not clear who will win. Israel must crush the will of the Arabs to fight, so that they give up their goals.

Pipes believes the Oslo process made the Palestinians feel strong when the goal should have been to crush their will to fight.

About 20 percent of the Palestinians accept Israel. That number hasn't changed.

Pipes said Israel was not pressured into any policy decisions by the United States. They made their own decisions. And he's in a position to know as a former State Dept official.

Regarding Israel's and America's current policy towards the Palestinians, Pipes points out that the time for the Marshall Plan was 1946, not 1943. There is a war on, and you cannot talk peace while there is a war underway. There can be no giving of money, arms or statehood while the war in underway.

The goal of the United States should be to impose on the Palestinians a sense of defeat.

Our policy is all nonsense.

Nobody in Israel's leadership knows what they're doing. They have no plan, no strategy.

There is a fever pitch in Iran that at this point the Mufti will turn up.

The Democrats and the GOP used to be about the same in their support of Israel. Now the Democrats are cool if not hostile towards Israel. The Democrats are especially that way in the tranches of their support. In 20 to 30 years the GOP will be the Jewish party and the Democrats will be the Muslim party.

73 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:19:36pm

re: #58 Perplexed

re: #56 rabidsquirrel

Perhaps they do serve a purpose as a poster child for birth control (look up Margret Sanger and some of her writings).

No way. There's no anti-virus software robust enough to scrub her sick bullshit from my hard drive.

74 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:19:56pm
75 peck  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:20:14pm

As a member of the military service, failure to carry out orders of one's superior officer is insubordination at the very least. Had General Petraeous gone before Congress and presented anything but the truth, he would have committed an offense for which he could be court marshaled. Should any member of the military disobey orders, they too are subject to courts marshal. If/when Hillary, or any other dem, is commander-in-chief, I wonder if she and her party will continue openly advocate that the military, including the top flag officers, disobey the lawful orders of their superior (that sounds really sick in this context) if they happen to disagree with her orders or policies. Just thinkin' maybe she could be caught in a little conundrum. (just one of many for sure)

76 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:20:22pm

re: #69 Ma Sands

re: #63 MandyManners

:)

8-)

77 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:21:32pm
78 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:21:57pm

re: #71 MandyManners

re: #56 rabidsquirrel

I agree with the anger but, not the statement.

Hey, quit contradicting the D'Kos stereotype of LGF! There's no disagreement on LGF - this is an echo chamber!

79 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:22:06pm

re: #65 Perplexed

re: #67 Sifty

lol

His parents need to install Net Nanny on his machine.

80 Yosemite Bill  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:22:09pm

What enables the Left to take this irrational view of the world...
"Oh the military is comprised of a bunch of simple minded dupes who are doing the bidding of the evil (insert Republican Pres's name Nixon. RR.,Bush 41, Bush43)..."
...is that because of the very system they loath they are protected from any negative consequence of their words or actions .
They exist in the insular, detached and protected reality and never have to live the consequences .
How long to you think it would take Murtha, Carter, the Shrew or Kennedy to be crying for Mama if they had to actually live in Iran, Cuba, Gaza or North Korea ?
They would not last long if they had to work with their hands for a living and defend their daily bread on a constant basis.

81 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:22:16pm

I'll give him this: At least he had the guts to finally say what most everyone else knew all along—they're a bunch of unpatriotic self-absorbed [insert word for superlative bad person here].

And I suppose former Yugoslavia was a legal war?

82 Special Forces Grunt  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:22:37pm

I'm a two tour Vietnam vet and retired from the army. I know what I stand for, but I don't understand what Kos stands for.

I suspect that Kos stands for revolution, or at least massive change in our society; meanwhile, he benefits from the freedoms that a bunch of my deceased comrades paid for. Komrad Kos is a parasite that lives on the body politic of a society built by better men than him.

If we no longer respect the military (and we no longer respect the police and firemen), then we're lost.

Kos can take his anarchic ideas and live in a bandit ruled society such as the middle-east, but I don't think that he would be happy.

Kos is the reason that I support planned parenthood.

83 mattm  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:23:22pm

So I was right when I questioned the existance of their patriotism.

84 peck  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:23:28pm

re: #58 Perplexed

Yeah. Funny how so many of her articles are so difficult to come by. Particularly those that lay out the eugenics theories./

85 yochanan  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:23:36pm

KOS OM insallah

86 peck  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:24:00pm

re: #77 buzzsawmonkey

thanks. I hate to make an error twice.

87 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:24:11pm
88 wong fei hung  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:24:25pm
"Now, I don’t intend to demean Jim Webb. He is determined and impressive in his stance against the war and the crippling of our military."

So are they saying they find Webb impressive for helping crippling our military? What kind of English is this? Who wrote this? Ms. Wilson's 5th grade class?

89 Racer X  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:24:27pm

re: #74 buzzsawmonkey

re: #64 Racer X

No, they won't be proud of the troops; they will be ashamed of the troops' success, and furious that they are being proven wrong by that success.

Perhaps. I find it unimaginable that anyone could read that report and still be in favor of bugging out and leaving those people at the mercy of alQueda.

But then again, koslings just don't think right.

90 simonml  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:24:32pm

Post this Charles! The SWAT team had to raid an Amish schoolhouse! Terror in Amish country! We joked about it long enough that it happened.

[Link: www.wtov9.com...]

The guy also describes the incident on youtube. Yep, the Amish on youtube.

91 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:24:40pm

re: #59 buzzsawmonkey

re: #43 mjk

I've said it before and I'll say it again; renaming the War Department the "Defense Department" was a big mistake.

I Agree. War and Defense are two different things. You can't win anything by defense. Next they'll want to call it the Department of International Peacekeeping and Humanitarian Aid.

92 nikis-knight  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:25:26pm

re: #64 Racer X

Koslings,

In case you missed it, read Michael Totten's report from Anbar.

You will be proud of our troops.


I'm willing to believe that some of them will, maybe 10%. Half of the rest are too blinded by hate of Bush or conservatives, but would be thrilled if these troops were sent by Clinton. And the others are dead set against America doing well or being percieved as doing good.

Dennis Prager has talked about leftist supposed support of the troops. Saying you support the troops but not the war is like saying you support firemen, but don't want them to be sent into burning buildings. Sorry, that doesn't work. If you support someone you don't want them to fail, and if you think someone is doing something immoral, you don't support them. Wake up and smell your treason, children!

93 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:25:57pm

Say it with me now people

Not "Progressive"... Anti-American.
Not "Anti-War"... On the Other Side.

94 Racer X  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:26:21pm

re: #82 Special Forces Grunt

Kos is the reason that I support planned parenthood.

Strong argument there.

95 southernborn  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:26:28pm

Baby Jimmy Carter and his relatives over there.
good case to make you believe in abortion

96 kingronjo  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:27:26pm

George Orwell stated that we can sleep well in our beds, because there are rough men willing to do violence to our enemies on our behalf.

There ya go

re: #37 WhiteRasta

97 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:28:15pm
98 Paul  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:28:41pm

Absolutely no surprise to anyone who has spent time wading through the fever swamps of the Left (remember Michael Moore calling the insurgents "freedom fighters" and "minutemen"). They don't support the troops, they never did; but this snarky imbecile is the first one who has actually damned the troops to hell.

It would be nice if some enterprising reporter asked the Democrat candidates (you know, the ones who spoke at the Kos convention)
if they had any comment on lurxst's little rant.

99 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:28:50pm

re: #91 David IV of Georgia

re: #59 buzzsawmonkey

re: #43 mjk

I've said it before and I'll say it again; renaming the War Department the "Defense Department" was a big mistake.

I Agree. War and Defense are two different things. You can't win anything by defense. Next they'll want to call it the Department of International Peacekeeping and Humanitarian Aid.


Actually, they just want to call it the Department of Peace

100 yochanan  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:29:09pm

nothing really new here during viet nam the radical left were chanting ho ho ho chi minh the NLF is going to win and they and v.c. and nva flags.

now they bring islamist flags and anti semitic crap

SSDD

101 Jeff MacMillan  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:29:31pm

Gotta love Daily Kos. They call it "Diaries." Not "Research papers." Not "Essays." Not "Scientific Journals Entries." Not "Fact Sheets."
Not "Truth Papers."

No... Just gutless, whiny, loose with the truth, "Diares." Let's get SOAP OPERA when it comes to reality. Sheesh.

102 howyadoin  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:29:53pm

from the diary:

"Can a person who doesn’t believe in violence support that people’s right to govern themselves, perhaps violently."

What kind of moral vaccuum is that? Who really feels like letting a government govern another people violently? I'm not the type to push for our troops being the world's police, but the way he says that strongly implies that no one else in the world is as important as him.

103 Catttt  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:30:14pm

This Kos comment really annoys me:

"unless it's blatently illegal or wrong"
the aggression for profit in Iraq and the Bush Doctrine itself are, in fact, blatantly illegal and wrong. They must resist.

by peaceloveandkucinich on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 06:04:14 PM PDT

I think he/she is saying support the troops only if they refuse to be troops. If they all become peace activists, then he/she will support them.

Ack.

104 infidelesto  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:30:15pm

They will never be satisfied until we totally surrender, pullout and submit. There's nothing American about these leftist asshats. They should leave America if they hate it so much. F***ing bastards need a history lesson.

105 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:30:36pm
106 peck  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:31:01pm

re: #82 Special Forces Grunt

Sometimes I think that those supporting abortion do so because deep down they believe that perhaps they themselves should have never been born. The ability to recognize evil is universal. It is just a matter whether you choose to do so.
Yeah, it is radical theory - the science isn't settled.

107 trailortrash  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:31:01pm

re: #93 Pawn of the Oppressor

Say it with me now people

Not "Progressive"... Anti-American.
Not "Anti-War"... On the Other Side.

QFT

108 Yosemite Bill  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:31:11pm

Hey Mandy - I admire a woman of few words... Um - OK I'm ducking now.
My Grandfather was a WW I vet who cussed a blue streak while in the barn... but he was married to a hardline Methodist . He would not say $hit if he had a mouth full while in the house ! Situational dialect... LOL !

109 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:31:29pm
110 WrathofG-d  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:31:49pm

Like we didn't know this already. Every listened to these people? They support the Enemy and we know this.

OT:

GREAT QUESTION!

111 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:31:58pm
112 missviolin  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:32:10pm

I love and support all of our soldiers. My little cousin just got back from Iraq. He's wonderful and glad he went. He's glad he's not going back but has made many friends for life. The bond is intense for some of them. Now he's off to college with his girlfriend. The guy who wrote this is a bored idiot. Needs to argue and piss off people to feel some value in himself. My 2 cents.

113 nikis-knight  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:33:33pm

re: #102 howyadoin

from the diary:

"Can a person who doesn’t believe in violence support that people’s right to govern themselves, perhaps violently."

What kind of moral vaccuum is that? Who really feels like letting a government govern another people violently? I'm not the type to push for our troops being the world's police, but the way he says that strongly implies that no one else in the world is as important as him.


Hmm... Sounds like he should admit he doesn't support the police, either, because they are the arm of the state that uses violence to enforce its people's self-government.

Koslings need to post outside their house "I do not believe in violence, so police should not use it in enforcing laws against murder, theft, or rape commited againts me." Maybe the cycle of violence can finally end with them...

114 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:33:37pm

re: #82 Special Forces Grunt

Kos is the reason that I support planned parenthood.

I'm with you grunt but that comment is a bridge too far.

115 Racer X  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:33:53pm

I did not realize there are like a million dead Iraqis, and a dozen Halliburton oil tankers leaving Iraq daily.

116 whiterasta  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:34:02pm

re: #96 kingronjo

Thanks. Much respect!

117 yah  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:36:30pm

I think he's setting himself up in his own mind to be a selfrighteous draft dodger "just in case." He's afraid.

118 Highrise  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:36:57pm

lurxst,

Supporting the troops essentially means supporting the illegal war. It seems that us anti-war types

Prove that this was an illegal war. We'll wait patiently. I see you used the term anti-war for yourself. That sort of lets me in on the fact that there is no war you would agree with. So just how would you deal with a full invasion of the USA? Would you hide behind those of us who are armed? Or will you be the first to step up and have your head chopped off by these nut cakes? Do you realize we were invaded and massacred on 9/11? Or did that somehow skip by you? There were a number of times in the past decades we have been attacked at our bases and embassies..do you not look at those as being invaded by these thugs? Do you realize how fast this death cult has spread and how much it will spread if we do not curtail it?


If you believe in God, you can damned well be sure you are going to hell for your participation in it.

I missed this passage in the bible, please show me. John 3:16 seems to have left that little bit of info out..thank you.

The only troop I support is the man or woman who refuses to be deployed so that they can make the middle east accessible to profiteers who don’t give a flying F about morality or democracy

Your anti war, I highly doubt you support any troops period that would carry out their job, whatever that may be. One that runs is not a soldier nor troop. Democracy...too bad you aren't talking to the people that actually lived under saddam all those years...yeah he was a real democratic guy.

Can an anti-war proponent look at these Iraqi resistance fighters with the same admiration


Your loyalties obviously lay elsewhere. You really should move out of America so you can be happier. What is sad is our schools and colleges are laying this foundation...this is exactly what they tried to push on me in school. Everyone is looked at with the same eyes, evil does not exist, anyone can be talked to and reasoned with, yadda yadda.


Can a person who doesn’t believe in violence support that people’s right to govern themselves, perhaps violently.

Not sure exactly what you have been smoking there...but I think it is depleting your brain cells. What am I talking about, you post on kos :P .

119 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:38:05pm

re: #97 buzzsawmonkey

re: #91 David IV of Georgia

If the Defense Department wins the current war in Iraq and Afghanistan, it will be the first war it has ever won--if you don't count Grenada and Panama, which in my mind were mere incursions.

Korean War: stalemate, not victory.
Vietnam: defeat
Gulf War: negotiated settlement.

The "Defense Department" doesn't cut it. The War Department won WWII.

That was kinda my point. The best a defense can hope for is a stalemate. Rarely does anyone seem want to win a war. (I know, there are no winners in war, but you know what I mean.) Too often we rush to negotiate and merely ignore many hurts, ills and anger. Hopefully time will heal these, but it may be just putting them all in a time capsule for our children to deal with.

120 Perry  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:38:18pm

All of you lizards who have served...Thanks doesn't cover it, but you have my gratitude.

Something tells me I would much prefer to sit and chew the fat with this fella

[Link: www.michaelyon-online.com...]

than to waste this evening thinking about Kos.

121 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:38:33pm
122 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:38:56pm

re: #78 rabidsquirrel

re: #71 MandyManners


re: #56 rabidsquirrel

I agree with the anger but, not the statement.


Hey, quit contradicting the D'Kos stereotype of LGF! There's no disagreement on LGF - this is an echo chamber!

LOL!

123 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:39:30pm
124 EE  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:39:55pm

This person writing at Daily Kos is not anti-war, just a supporter of the terrorists who are the enemy. That writer is a part of a fifth column that supports the enemies of the US; nothing anti-war about being on the other side.

125 Highrise  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:40:09pm

re: #121 buzzsawmonkey


I caught that tone in his post, and yes I'm sick of it.

126 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:40:34pm

Amidst the hatred and treachery, there is some semblance of supporting the troops...almost.

Supporting the troops includes (9+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
mickT, Pandora, jhutson, redcardphreek, DemocraticLuntz, willb48, ratador, wayoutinthestix, peaceloveandkucinich

1. Staying informed and pressuring your representatives not to approve stupid wars.

2. Demanding congress properly fund veterans' care and benefits.

3. Purchasing phone cards and donating frequent flyer miles to soldiers stuck in stupid deployments or abandoned halfway home by their government.

4. Supporting Fisher House, which provides housing near DOD hospitals for soldiers' families.

There are a great number of things you can do to support actual troops who, whether for economic advancement or out of a genuine sense of duty and love of country, signed up for a job where they have to go where they're told and do what they're ordered to do for as long as their "superiors" decide.

Mustering up a little compassion's a great place to start.

Nanotech can take CO2 and make diamonds & fresh air. I'm Lou--who are YOU? LouLost.com

by Crashing Vor on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 05:19:20 PM PDT

Though I doubt few will actually donate phone cards or frequent flyer miles to the troops, or for that matter donate money to Fisher House, if only one or two do, then at least that ridiculous diary will have resulted in some good.

127 Highrise  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:40:49pm

re: #124 EE

This person writing at Daily Kos is not anti-war, just a supporter of the terrorists who are the enemy. That writer is a part of a fifth column that supports the enemies of the US; nothing anti-war about being on the other side.

Good point EE.

128 m  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:41:12pm

re: #120 Perry

Oh I could do all KINDS of things with that fella.

129 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:41:20pm

re: #99 rabidsquirrel

re: #91 David IV of Georgia

re: #59 buzzsawmonkey
re: #43 mjk

I've said it before and I'll say it again; renaming the War Department the "Defense Department" was a big mistake.

I Agree. War and Defense are two different things. You can't win anything by defense. Next they'll want to call it the Department of International Peacekeeping and Humanitarian Aid.

Actually, they just want to call it the Department of Peace

That would work great so long as we are Switzerland and have an America around to keep the bullies away.

130 WhiteRasta  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:41:23pm

re: #106 peck

I think the pro-abortion types have aborted themselves out of a whole demographic.

None of those aborted babies can vote.

I know, that's an awful thing to say, but there you have it.

"The truth is an offense, but not a sin. "

(Robert Nesta Marley)

AKA: Bob Marley.

131 datadude  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:41:59pm

re: #117 yah
Didn't look at it that way, but in the words
of the great (though, lefty) singer, Billy Joel:
"YOU MAYYY BE RIIIGHT..." ...:)

132 Sifty  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:42:38pm

re: #121 buzzsawmonkey

Yeppers! The same anti-religion creeps that want to scrape In God We Trust off of our coinage still want to make sure the Big God Boogeyman gets all us sinners.

My G-d is not an attack dog on kos' leash.

133 Perry  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:42:49pm

re: #128 m

I'm an ol married girl... you go right on. I'll go take a cold nap or a long shower or something.

134 Sgt.Slappy  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:43:55pm

My first thought as I was reading that Kos diary tripe... The author needs some tazin'.

(Don't taze me, bro... Ow! Ow! Ow! Ow! OMG! Ow! Ow!)

135 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:44:33pm
136 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:45:07pm

re: #112 missviolin

What kinda fiddle you got?

137 ROPMA  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:45:53pm

This is long to watch but it explains why liberals are wrong about every issue.

138 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:45:56pm
139 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:46:36pm

OT, of course, but this sort of thing really pisses me off

Here are some tid-bits;

The security cabinet voted unanimously to declare the Gaza Strip a "hostile entity," a headline that dominated the local press on Wednesday. The new status, which was imposed following an escalation of Qassam rocket strikes against Israel, will likely allow Israel to cut off electricity to the Strip as a retaliatory measure against attacks.

Hamas condemned the cabinet's decision as an act of war and threatened retaliation.

"They aim to starve our people and force them to accept humiliating formulas that could emerge from the so-called November peace conference," Haaretz quoted Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum as saying.

"It is a declaration of war and continues the criminal, terrorist Zionist actions against our people," he said.

You know, like, its OK to fire Kassam rockets at day care centres, thats not an act of war, thats resistence.

The Israeli's should clean this rat's nest out, once and for all.

140 WrathofG-d  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:46:49pm

re: #137 ROPMA


Welcome to LGF.

/that is sooo like millions of months ago...sheesh

141 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:47:01pm

Reading the comments on kos, there are more reasonable responses than I expected. But it's a real turning point when this comes out in the open.
A column today (NRO I think but can't find it) noted how Moveon owns the Democratic party - and Reid has said he will no longer seek a compromise with Republicans on war bills. Interesting timing.

142 easy  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:47:02pm

re: #97 buzzsawmonkey

Korean War: stalemate, not victory.
Vietnam: defeat negotiated settlement (Paris, 1973)
Gulf War: negotiated settlement.


Hate to be picky.

143 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:47:21pm

re: #129 David IV of Georgia

re: #99 rabidsquirrel

re: #91 David IV of Georgia

re: #59 buzzsawmonkey

re: #43 mjkI've said it before and I'll say it again; renaming the War Department the "Defense Department" was a big mistake.

I Agree. War and Defense are two different things. You can't win anything by defense. Next they'll want to call it the Department of International Peacekeeping and Humanitarian Aid.


Actually, they just want to call it the Department of Peace

That would work great so long as we are Switzerland and have an America around to keep the bullies away.

All the same, I'd rather we remain The United States. But I would support an "illegal war of aggression" to take their chocolate by force.

144 UncleSam  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:47:54pm

re: #30 rabidsquirrel

re: #23 WhiteRasta


re: #17 rabidsquirrel

Yea. I know. I get so depressed seeing the dinosaur media giving the bat-shit loonies "equal time".

Does anyone have any idea what our Civilization would look like if the loonies ran it?


San Francisco, minus the good parts?

Exactly. I used to love going to San Francisco.
Now, since the moonbats have taken over, it's mainly a fetid swamp of bums and lunatics.

145 hrhamilton  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:47:59pm

The foolishness of the left is wearying. They have no understanding of human nature. No understanding of history, no profundity of thought. They place our entire civilization at risk for their own selfish egotistical delusions. I despise them and their fatuous ideologies.

146 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:48:19pm

It's a cool breezy evening and I'm getting ready to fire up my Big Green Egg for the first time.
I'm going to attempt leg of lamb with a side of Shitakes, shallots, and taters. A bit ambitious for a first try on a new grill but there it goes.

147 Nascar70  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:48:39pm

well that shows you the reason why the dems won't be elected on 08 and probably will not have control of congress either...if we have anything to say about it

148 WhiteRasta  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:49:22pm

#139:

.."The Israeli's should clean this rat's nest out, once and for all..."

That will NEVER happen, my friend.

Too bad I'm not PM of Israel.

149 MzPeanutGallery  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:50:02pm

Because we know the US is trying to take over Iraq the same way Germany sought to conquer France.

150 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:50:08pm
Can an anti-war proponent look at these Iraqi resistance fighters with the same admiration

Why don't you head on over there an express your admiration to them in person?

What's that?

You'd rather stay safely in the US, where your rights... and your life... are protected by those same US troops you "don't support"?

I thought so.

Can a person who doesn’t believe in violence

Yes, you do. You believe in THEIR violence. The theocratic head-choppers' violence. You admire them. You just said so yourself.

151 Perplexed  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:51:17pm

I am anti-war. I am against the senseless death and destruction that wars often bring. I am against evil that causes good people to have to go to war to defend themselves. We are in the fight for our civilization.

Far cry from the phony surrender at any cost goobers out there.

Mark Twain's The War Prayer:

"O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle -- be Thou near them! With them -- in spirit -- we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it -- for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.

152 ROPMA  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:51:25pm

re: #140 WrathofG-d

We have lots of new folks here now. Lets bring them up to speed.

153 Highrise  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:51:32pm

Killgore Trout must have strong hearts run in his family. I dunno how people go over there and get these stories. I read one or two comments and I feel my blood boil and my pressure rise.

154 ec marm  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:51:35pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout
Big Green Egg
"That's probably one of the four or five best known grills in the world."

155 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:51:48pm

re: #138 song_and_dance_man

Kind of scary isn't it?

156 Racer X  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:52:01pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

Whoa!

I read on Little Green Footballs about a Big Green Egg.

157 WhiteRasta  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:52:41pm

re: #150 Occasional Reader

Oh yes! BOOYAH! Bitch slap the moonbat with logic.

Next time you are up here in Trudeaupia call me. I'll buy you a beer or 6 .

158 Alouette  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:52:50pm

Why not have a Caliphate in Indonesia?

Contains these gems:

Muslims and non-Muslims were equal citizens of the Islamic state, with identical rights and duties.

Fascism and communism became threats to democracy only after Hitler and Lenin marshalled their troops to conquer Europe.

159 Luigi  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:53:00pm

I didn't get a chance to comment on the Sally Fields episode the other day. She's the spokesperson for Boniva, the bone density pill. Well, just on a hunch I checked out Boniva and now I feel certain using Boniva explains her temperament.

Just look at some of the reactions to Boniva by its users:

[Link: www.askapatient.com...]

"...nausea, bloating, vomiting..."

"...unable to walk, pain all over body, nausea, vomiting..."

"Fell on the floor and had violent bouts of vomiting. I found her on the floor, got her to sit up against the wall and when the vomiting spasms abated I got her onto a chair."

"Later I ate dinner followed by nausea and vomiting."

"...vomiting, diarrhea, pains in arms and legs, chills - which lasted for 5 days..."

"...severe vomiting, diahrea..."

"12 hours after first dose, I experienced violent vomiting..."

"...When I eat, I get sick and have to vomit again..."

"...lying on my bed in a fetal position and vomiting..."

Lawsuits follow drugs like this like night follows day:

[Link: www.schmidtandclark.com...]
We all owe Sally Fields a note of thanks for opening our eyes to the dangers of Boniva.

160 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:53:19pm

re: #142 easy

If you accept Clauswitz's dictum on the purpose of war, then I'd say, much as it pains me to say it, you'd have to chalk up Vietnam as a defeat on our part. And yes, that IN SPITE of the fact that our forces trounced theirs on the ground, time and time again. But we lost our political will... and so we lost the CONTEST of political wills.

161 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:53:21pm

re: #153 Highrise

I'm used to it. I deal with moonbats in the "real world" all the time. That's a challenge.

162 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:53:22pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

It's a cool breezy evening and I'm getting ready to fire up my Big Green Egg for the first time.
I'm going to attempt leg of lamb with a side of Shitakes, shallots, and taters. A bit ambitious for a first try on a new grill but there it goes.

A missed opportunity for Charles to do some cross-promotion. Big Green Egg...Little Green Footballs...Lizards? The ad almost writes itself.

163 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:53:48pm

re: #156 Racer X

HA!

164 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:53:49pm

There is a term for people like that. Sociopaths. I'm sure he also rejoiced when 9/11 happened.

165 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:53:51pm

This kid will only get my favorite emoticon from me, and nothing more.

Heres to you lurxst, t("t)

166 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:54:21pm

re: #162 rabidsquirrel

I smell endorsement deal!

167 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:54:57pm
These kinds of diaries have a way of suddenly disappearing when pragmatic administrators notice the link from LGF.

You mean the left doesn't mind employing Stalinistic tactics while simultaneously claiming it's the tactic of the Right?

/Color me shocked

168 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:55:10pm

re: #157 WhiteRasta

re: #150 Occasional Reader

Oh yes! BOOYAH! Bitch slap the moonbat with logic.

Next time you are up here in Trudeaupia call me. I'll buy you a beer or 6 .

Ha! We have better beer than you do now! America... f**k yeah!

(Although credit where it's due; my parents met at a big Labatt's party... so if it weren't for Canada, I wouldn't be here)

169 WhiteRasta  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:55:24pm

re: #164 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican

The damn Yanks won't let me in.

How did you get in?

170 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:55:47pm

Make that Clausewitz. Sheesh.

171 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:55:58pm

Could someone please give me a little help here? I'm attempting to utilize the three new verbs I learned today on LGF : murtha, putinize and rather. I can almost sense a Karnac, right there on the index card, but someone smeared mayo on it...

172 sa trawler  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:57:03pm

George Soros is a Hungarian immigrant who came to the U.S. in 1956, at age 26, and made his fortune as an international financier. His father, who was born into an Orthodox Jewish family, changed the family name from Schwartz to Soros in 1936 - a move that enabled the Soros family to conceal its Jewish identity and thus survive the Nazi Holocaust.

173 Elydo  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:57:05pm

I still think a person's self-presented views should be taken into account when considering any actions taken by or against them, and by that I mean as an example, publicly professed anarchists should not have the protection of the laws of their country of location as they do not believe in those laws. People, like this defective, who disparage and/or vilify their nations military, police or other protective bodies should not receive the protection of those bodies, unless not extending such protection would affect others. Communists should have all their property appropriated and be made to be totally reliant on state hand-outs... Make people take responsibility for their free speech dammit. You go around singing anarchy's praises, you don't get to bitch when I walk up and punch you in the face. And I know how to do it without breaking my own hand too. Those pics' of zombies at the recent 'festival' really piss me off...

Taken to the extremes I'd like, this would apply to t-shirt slogans too... Walking around with a t-shirt proclaiming "I smoke dope" or "Cops are pigs, I smell bacon" would get you bundled off the street by the first squad car who sees you and fined. It's not big, and it's not clever. You want clever slogans, try harder.

Heinlein had it right, we need a separation between civilians and citizens.

174 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:57:10pm

re: #169 WhiteRasta

The damn Yanks won't let me in.

Have you tried converting to Wahabbism and attending a US flight school? Our immigration folks seem to have a soft spot for such types.

175 WhiteRasta  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:57:11pm

Sopranos time. Goodnight all.

G-d Bless.

176 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:57:23pm
177 NamDoc67  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:57:27pm

"I am sorry but supporting the troops means supporting this illegal war."

That's the only truth he wrote - aside from the "illegal" part (BTW, I never understood this claim, since this war was authorized by the U.S. Congress).

And that one statement being true, I never could comprehend the possibility of supporting the troops, but not the war they are fighting.

The only support that means anything to a troop in combat is the moral support of the larger community (the nation) for what he is doing, because what he is doing is psychologically unsupportable unless it is validated by his own people.

For a soldier to comprehend that his nation supports him, but condemns what he is doing, is only possible if the soldier is schitzophrenic. It is a semantic game created by delusional fools who think they can fool others as they have fooled themselves, while creating cover for their own closeted treason.

All of this escalation of anti-military slander and sedition is familiar to anyone who was an adult any time around 1970.

Just wait. It'll get a lot worse.

178 ec marm  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:57:32pm

"You can always tell when the Republicans are getting restless, because the Vice President’s motorcade pulls into the capital, and Darth Vader emerges," Clinton said just now at Town Hall in New York.

"I’m not invited to their meetings and I don’t know what he says or does," she said. "But all the brave talk [about ending the war] just dissipates."
[Link: www.politico.com...]
/

179 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:58:21pm

Before I pop my cork.

I would rather live in a land where such abhorent expression is allowed than one in which it is not.

Maybe we should remember THAT before we start talking about terminating pregnancies of those who think differently.

180 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:58:35pm

re: #168 Occasional Reader

re: #157 WhiteRasta

re: #150 Occasional Reader

Oh yes! BOOYAH! Bitch slap the moonbat with logic.

Next time you are up here in Trudeaupia call me. I'll buy you a beer or 6 .

Ha! We have better beer than you do now! America... f**k yeah!

(Although credit where it's due; my parents met at a big Labatt's party... so if it weren't for Canada, I wouldn't be here)


I knew it!

/I know Canada's apologized for Celine Dion and Loverboy, but have they apologized for Occasional Reader?

181 rightinaz  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 6:58:40pm

The unbelievable blathering of these leftist idiots is enough to make a grown man want to leap in front of a fast moving Chevy.

For some real insight into the successes of our Military, be sure to read Michael Totten's blog here, and pay special attention to this cut from the story:

The Iraqis of Anbar Province turned against Al Qaeda and sided with the Americans in large part because Al Qaeda proved to be far more vicious than advertised. But it’s also because sustained contact with the American military – even in an explosively violent combat zone –convinced these Iraqis that Americans are very different people from what they had been led to believe. They finally figured out that the Americans truly want to help and are not there to oppress them or steal from them. And the Americans slowly learned how Iraqi culture works and how to blend in rather than barge in.

“We hand out care packages from the U.S. to Iraqis now that the area has been cleared of terrorists,” one Marine told me. “When we tell them that some of these packages aren’t from the military or the government, that they were donated by average American citizens in places like Kansas, people choke up and sometimes even cry. They just can’t comprehend it. It is so different from the lies they were told about us and how we’re supposed to be evil.”

How many TV news stories or Dino-Media write-ups do you suppose you will see this in?

182 riverman  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:00:11pm

Lurxst,

God forbid, when the barbarians are at the gate, when the [bigoted word]s are loose in your town threatening you and yours who are you going to cry out to for help?

I, as a proud veteran would not blink if I knew it would save your miserable life...

That's a lie, of course I would, that is why I am better than you...

(spit)

183 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:01:05pm

re: #180 rabidsquirrel

/I know Canada's apologized for Celine Dion and Loverboy, but have they apologized for Occasional Reader?

Celine Dion, I will have you know, is currently headlining a major show in Vegas. Are YOU headlining in Vegas? Mmmm?

(yeah, I was surprised to see it, too)

184 easy  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:01:19pm

A simple civics quiz. The same one Harvard seniors got a D+ on.

185 Bob the Scot  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:01:25pm

re Nam Doc
well said !

186 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:01:31pm

I'm out.

"Courage."

187 Venezuela lover  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:01:38pm
During WWII, French resistance fighters were also called terrorists and insurgents by their German occupiers.

Where did this statement come from? It may have been passed down through family lines from their nazi forefathers. However, it is more likely just a concocted line to fit his needs. Give a reference next time. Bunch of pricks.

188 Know Your Enemy  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:01:44pm

It's a pity the moonbat bases its entire argument on the false premise of an "illegal war."

They never want to talk about the 17 UN resolutions Sadaam's Iraq violated, prompting said war. Among other things, latch natch.

189 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:03:26pm

re: #183 Occasional Reader

re: #180 rabidsquirrel

/I know Canada's apologized for Celine Dion and Loverboy, but have they apologized for Occasional Reader?

Celine Dion, I will have you know, is currently headlining a major show in Vegas. Are YOU headlining in Vegas? Mmmm?

(yeah, I was surprised to see it, too)

I'm not even allowed to sing in the shower, though people might pay me to stop singing.

190 lennysquiggy  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:03:31pm

Dear Leftist Jackass,

The "mental and philosophical gymnastics" you speak of are ESSENTIAL to being a leftist jackass. You're left-wing liberal leaders are traitors, but they are smart enough to know the following:

IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT THE TROOPS OR THE ORDERS THEY ARE GIVEN, YOU ARE IN NO WAY SUPPORTING AMERICA. YOU'RE NOT EVEN HIDING IT WELL. IN FACT, YOU ARE TELEGRAPHING THE FACT THAT YOU ARE ROOTING AGAINST YOUR OWN COUNTRY IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU ARE A TRAITOR.

Hillary, Edwards, Olbermann, et al, understand this. That is why they tie themselves in knots to say they support the troops. We KNOW they aren't being truthful. They are traitors just like yourself. But hey, thanks for coming clean, even if you didn't fully understand what you were doing. Idiot.

Warmest Regards,

LennySquiggy

191 UncleSam  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:04:40pm

re: #167 Sharmuta

These kinds of diaries have a way of suddenly disappearing when pragmatic administrators notice the link from LGF.

You mean the left doesn't mind employing Stalinistic tactics while simultaneously claiming it's the tactic of the Right?

/Color me shocked

The left continually and habitually accuses the right of all the tactics that they themselves employ.
It's a combination of diversion and the psychological trait called "projection," meaning projecting upon or attributing to others one's own behavior and/or manner of thinking.

192 Perplexed  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:05:20pm

re: #188 Know Your Enemy

It's a pity the moonbat bases its entire argument on the false premise of an "illegal war."

They never want to talk about the 17 UN resolutions Sadaam's Iraq violated, prompting said war. Among other things, latch natch.

They have their collective fingers jammed into their collective ears over that group of UN resolutions. Why are we still in Kosovo? Wasn't that supposed to be a 2 yr war? Oh, that's right, it was a war started by the demonicrats.

193 Sponge  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:06:02pm

If it hasn't been said yet, WOW...

Just when I think I can't be more shocked...

I just can't fathom what its like to have something like this rattling around in my head, much less spew it out to the public eye. I hate to push the 9/11 thing, but we lost 3000 people that day. That is NOTHING compared to the evil that saddamnit insane brought upon the Iraqi AND Iranian people (iran is only capitalized because I don't dislike their people, only their leaders). It is AMAZING how quickly they forget. 90%+ was on board with the war in Iraq against saddamnit when it started, but when they realized that it's NOTHING like a hollywood MOVIE, they changed their mind. "I want a do over." "I voted for the war before I voted against it."

YOU people should REALLY be ashamed. You don't support the troops that cover your sorry ass to say the things you say, so I hope that when islHAMofacism comes to your town and you stand before allaH(AM)'s minions, I wonder if the ones you hate will come to your rescue before they send your head rolling down the street, or if they'll 'pause 10 seconds for station identification' before eliminating your captors...

194 sa trawler  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:06:07pm

re: #177 NamDoc67


I was there from 69 to 70.

195 Know Your Enemy  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:07:04pm

re: #192 Perplexed

Why are we still in Kosovo? Wasn't that supposed to be a 2 yr war? Oh, that's right, it was a war started by the demonicrats.

I thought moehammed started that war.

196 sa trawler  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:07:06pm

Rode the black horse.

197 PSGInfinity  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:07:10pm

re: #171 Cap'n DOC

Could someone please give me a little help here? I'm attempting to utilize the three new verbs I learned today on LGF : murtha, putinize and rather. I can almost sense a Karnac, right there on the index card, but someone smeared mayo on it...

What is the punishment are two corrupt, lying egomaniacs deserve?

198 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:07:30pm
199 EtNorskTroll  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:07:58pm

I've got an idea~!

Instead of us curing the darkness, let's light a candle: The next time any of us sees a military type standing in line to get lunch, barge in and pay for his/her meal. Tell them that it is just a small token of appreciation from the American populace.

Then come here and write about it. No names are needed, just an overview of what happened.

WHO'S WITH ME?

~Norsk Troll

200 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:08:47pm

re: #177 NamDoc67

Well... You were there before I was, and you probably came home to the same society, but where you'd spent your time changed the way you thought, and the 'real world' was never going to be the same. I was a couple of years behind you, and I know I was fully 'adult' by the time I hit SEATAC. It wasn't what I wanted, nor what I expected, nor what I needed. War will do that to anyone. It is not escapable.

I was ashamed after St. JFK's testimony in '71. I never felt the same after that. Probably never will. But I will be damned if our soldiers will be treated as we were treated. This guy is at least honest about it. Doesn't diminish my voice any, and I'm sure you feel the same.

201 Perplexed  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:09:02pm

re: #195 Know Your Enemy

Well, he did start that war and was losing badly when the hildebeast's hubby decided that it would make for a great diversion from his latest scandal.

202 EtNorskTroll  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:09:26pm

PIMF:

Blast it all to flinders!

**Cursing the darkness.

Cursing...

~ENT

203 Know Your Enemy  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:09:48pm

re: #201 Perplexed

re: #195 Know Your Enemy

Well, he did start that war and was losing badly when the hildebeast's hubby decided that it would make for a great diversion from his latest scandal.


That's more like it, thanks.

204 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:09:58pm

Reminds me of one of Bruce Tinsley's Mallard Fillmore comics from a few years ago:

Mallard Fillmore: So how did you decide to become a professor of anti-American studies, anyway?

Professor Wilson Birkenstock: When I was a kid I hated my parents, but still expected them to support me and cater to my every whim. Imagine my delight upon discovering that I could make a career out of applying the same philosophy to my country!

205 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:10:10pm

re: #199 EtNorskTroll

I've actually been waiting for that opportunity to present itself.

206 kreigwagon  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:10:12pm

I wonder what Chen's take is on this?

207 Perplexed  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:10:16pm

re: #199 EtNorskTroll

Sounds good.

208 buckykat  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:10:27pm

re: #177 NamDoc67
Yes, they're beginning to express their true thoughts. The "we support the troops" mantra was always just a calculated political slogan, since their open contempt during the Viet Nam era turned into a political liability.

209 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:10:38pm

re: #198 song_and_dance_man

BINGO!

210 Know Your Enemy  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:11:05pm

re: #206 kreigwagon

I wonder what Chen's take is on this?


Embarrassment.

211 kcladderman  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:11:08pm

re: #181 rightinaz

The unbelievable blathering of these leftist idiots is enough to make a grown man want to leap in front of a fast moving Chevy.

For some real insight into the successes of our Military, be sure to read Michael Totten's blog here, and pay special attention to this cut from the story:

The Iraqis of Anbar Province turned against Al Qaeda and sided with the Americans in large part because Al Qaeda proved to be far more vicious than advertised. But it’s also because sustained contact with the American military – even in an explosively violent combat zone –convinced these Iraqis that Americans are very different people from what they had been led to believe. They finally figured out that the Americans truly want to help and are not there to oppress them or steal from them. And the Americans slowly learned how Iraqi culture works and how to blend in rather than barge in.

“We hand out care packages from the U.S. to Iraqis now that the area has been cleared of terrorists,” one Marine told me. “When we tell them that some of these packages aren’t from the military or the government, that they were donated by average American citizens in places like Kansas, people choke up and sometimes even cry. They just can’t comprehend it. It is so different from the lies they were told about us and how we’re supposed to be evil.”

How many TV news stories or Dino-Media write-ups do you suppose you will see this in?

If it worked in Anbar maybe if we send troops into Berkly they too will see the American troops are not as bad as they have been led to believe.

212 EtNorskTroll  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:11:31pm

re: #205 Noam Sayin'

re: #199 EtNorskTroll

I've actually been waiting for that opportunity to present itself.

I already have.

It's wonderful...

~ENT

213 Stuck-in-CA  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:11:36pm

I just got a sad note from a friend who's son was killed (accidently) in Iraq last week. If you read the pride in this devastated father's note, you would spit twice after reading the anti-American tripe from Kos

214 Sponge  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:12:05pm

re: #199 EtNorskTroll

I've got an idea~!

Instead of us curing the darkness, let's light a candle: The next time any of us sees a military type standing in line to get lunch, barge in and pay for his/her meal. Tell them that it is just a small token of appreciation from the American populace.

Then come here and write about it. No names are needed, just an overview of what happened.

WHO'S WITH ME?

~Norsk Troll


I, for one, have spent over $1000 dollars over the past year or so buying 'a few rounds' for our distinguished in airport and hotel bars during a layover...

215 Know Your Enemy  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:12:54pm

re: #214 Sponge

I, for one, have spent over $1000 dollars over the past year or so buying 'a few rounds' for our distinguished in airport and hotel bars during a layover...

Money well spent.

216 DesertSage  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:13:00pm

re: #188 Know Your Enemy

It's a pity the moonbat bases its entire argument on the false premise of an "illegal war."

They never want to talk about the 17 UN resolutions Sadaam's Iraq violated, prompting said war. Among other things, latch natch.

Exactly!

The first Gulf War was a "legal" war because it was sanctioned by the UN. This war is just an extension of the first Gulf War...but it's the same war!

There was never a declaration of peace signed by Iraq, there was only a cease fire agreement. That agreement was never adhered to by Iraq, as you correctly stated with the 17 UN resolutions that were ignored.
If a country continues to break a cease fire agreement, any further action taken against it is legal and justified.

217 PSGInfinity  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:13:57pm

re: #184 easy

58/60 :)

Got tripped up on 31 and 32. In my mis-spent yoof, I seldom had much patience for ancient political theory. Oh, did I regret that...

218 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:13:58pm
219 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:14:21pm

re: #213 Stuck-in-CA

From Ismay?

220 Sponge  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:14:23pm

re: #215 Know Your Enemy

I have never been more proud of a purchase, my friend.

221 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:14:51pm

re: #199 EtNorskTroll
I'm with you, too. I've also been sending care packages and letters for three years.

222 PSGInfinity  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:15:11pm

re: #199 EtNorskTroll

Been there, done it once. Felt great, too!

223 Sponge  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:15:24pm

re: #218 song_and_dance_man

He'll just tell you that it's a nice start, but they need to make sure that they understand that it's not wide spread and forget that there's a war going on...

Oh wait, that was LAST nights thread...

224 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:15:52pm

re: #199 EtNorskTroll

I've got an idea~!

Instead of us curing the darkness, let's light a candle: The next time any of us sees a military type standing in line to get lunch, barge in and pay for his/her meal. Tell them that it is just a small token of appreciation from the American populace.

Then come here and write about it. No names are needed, just an overview of what happened.

WHO'S WITH ME?

~Norsk Troll

Had that opportunity a while back. I was sitting in Hooters - and for the record, I was there for the 'ambiance', not to leer at waitresses - when a group of Airmen came in, just back from Baghdad. Needless to say, they didn't pay for a single beer.

It doesn't take much, but it says a lot.

225 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:16:00pm
"Support the Troops" is a Republican talking point that emerged during the Gulf War. It was such a successful talking point that we on the left feel compelled to pay lip service to it anytime we criticize the war, as in "I support the troops but ..."

If this kosling thinks this is earth shattering news- I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell him.

Those not blinded by hypocrisy have long understood the left paid lip service to the troops and have been since Vietnam at least.

226 DesertSage  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:16:28pm

re: #206 kreigwagon

I wonder what Chen's take is on this?

I'm pretty sure Chen and the writer are out drinking beer right about now.

227 EtNorskTroll  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:16:29pm

re: #214 Sponge

re: #199 EtNorskTroll

I've got an idea~!

Instead of us curing the darkness, let's light a candle: The next time any of us sees a military type standing in line to get lunch, barge in and pay for his/her meal. Tell them that it is just a small token of appreciation from the American populace.

Then come here and write about it. No names are needed, just an overview of what happened.

WHO'S WITH ME?


~Norsk Troll


I, for one, have spent over $1000 dollars over the past year or so buying 'a few rounds' for our distinguished in airport and hotel bars during a layover...

Good for you~!

That's what I like to hear~!

C'mon, Lizards: Forget cursing the darkness! Let's light a candle so bright, that every single Kos Kockroach will skitter back to the hole they came out of and never show themselves again.

I think that we can start a movement here at LGF that will put the KKKos KKKiddies to shame and embarrassment.

I ask you---what could be sweeter than that?!?

Find a military person and pay for their lunch. Write about it here the next day. Yes, it's a small gesture...but what a moral boost for the troops that are rotting over there in Iraq (Yes, rotting...it can get quite hot over there).

What do you all say?

~Norsk Troll

228 Random63  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:17:29pm

re: #23 WhiteRasta

re: #17 rabidsquirrel

Does anyone have any idea what our Civilization would look like if the loonies ran it?

Read Atlas Shrugged. You will get a great idea as what our civilization would look like if that happened. Great book and I'm almost done with it.

Be safe and be well.

229 Know Your Enemy  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:18:04pm

As for me, I've sent quite a bit of liquor in ginger ale bottles to reservist pals in Iraq. They say it gets around...

230 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:18:11pm

re: #214 Sponge

re: #199 EtNorskTroll


I've got an idea~!

Instead of us curing the darkness, let's light a candle: The next time any of us sees a military type standing in line to get lunch, barge in and pay for his/her meal. Tell them that it is just a small token of appreciation from the American populace.

Then come here and write about it. No names are needed, just an overview of what happened.

WHO'S WITH ME?

~Norsk Troll

I, for one, have spent over $1000 dollars over the past year or so buying 'a few rounds' for our distinguished in airport and hotel bars during a layover...

With you! Will report in due course.

231 EtNorskTroll  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:18:16pm

PIMF:

**morale

232 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:18:38pm

re: #190 lennysquiggy

You would think that the "mental and philosophical gymnastics" themselves would be a clue to them that something is wrong with their thought process. Islamic extremists want to kill or subjugate us. Our military prevents that. It's really not that complicated.

233 EtNorskTroll  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:19:25pm

re: #230 experiencedtraveller

re: #214 Sponge

re: #199 EtNorskTroll


I've got an idea~!Instead of us curing the darkness, let's light a candle: The next time any of us sees a military type standing in line to get lunch, barge in and pay for his/her meal. Tell them that it is just a small token of appreciation from the American populace.

Then come here and write about it. No names are needed, just an overview of what happened.

WHO'S WITH ME?


~Norsk Troll


I, for one, have spent over $1000 dollars over the past year or so buying 'a few rounds' for our distinguished in airport and hotel bars during a layover...

With you! Will report in due course.

Wonderful~!

Anyone else?

~ENT

234 Know Your Enemy  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:20:08pm

re: #233 EtNorskTroll

Of course.

235 Perplexed  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:20:14pm

'Night all. Pushing 22:30 here on the east coast. Travel day tomorrow.

236 EtNorskTroll  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:20:52pm

re: #221 Pvt Bin Jammin

re: #199 EtNorskTroll
I'm with you, too. I've also been sending care packages and letters for three years.

Excellent~!

You are to be commended~!

~ENT

237 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:20:53pm

re: #233 EtNorskTroll

re: #230 experiencedtraveller


re: #214 Sponge

re: #199 EtNorskTroll

I've got an idea~!Instead of us curing the darkness, let's light a candle: The next time any of us sees a military type standing in line to get lunch, barge in and pay for his/her meal. Tell them that it is just a small token of appreciation from the American populace.

Then come here and write about it. No names are needed, just an overview of what happened.


WHO'S WITH ME?

~Norsk Troll

I, for one, have spent over $1000 dollars over the past year or so buying 'a few rounds' for our distinguished in airport and hotel bars during a layover...

With you! Will report in due course.

Wonderful~!

Anyone else?

~ENT

I'll definately do it!

238 gop_patriot  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:21:14pm

re: #233 EtNorskTroll

I'm with you. Great idea. :)

239 Know Your Enemy  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:21:19pm

re: #235 Perplexed

'Night all. Pushing 22:30 here on the east coast. Travel day tomorrow.


Same here. 'Night LizardNation.

240 kreigwagon  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:21:53pm

re: #218 song_and_dance_man

re: #210 Know Your Enemy

re: #206 kreigwagon

I wonder what Chen's take is on this?


Embarrassment.

What about Cognito?

re: #226 DesertSage

re: #206 kreigwagon

I wonder what Chen's take is on this?

I'm pretty sure Chen and the writer are out drinking beer Idiotic right about now.

241 Sponge  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:22:16pm

Have you hugged your servicemen today?

242 theheat  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:23:14pm
Now, I don’t intend to demean Jim Webb. He is determined and impressive in his stance against the war and the crippling of our military.

Oh, how admirable.

the only troop I support is the man or woman who refuses to be deployed

Because there's never any reason to go to war, right? You would have had a blast during WWII, chickenshit. You know, Hitler really wasn't such a bad guy once you got to know him.

Can an anti-war proponent look at these Iraqi resistance fighters with the same admiration, even though they worship differently than us

No pacifist rant would be complete without absolving morally bankrupt assholes of complicity. It comes in handy when you're trying to justify why you do nothing and refuse to pass judgment, even at the cost of your own neck and the lives of your countrymen.

243 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:24:29pm

These village idiots did not just get this way folks.
You can thank your teachers union, the left wing media, and your favorite university.
This is the kind of brainwashed youths we end up with because of their propaganda.

Fight for Democracy. Punch a Professor.

244 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:25:04pm

WWJD? That is a strange question for a KKKos kid to ask because they certainly don't Him credit any other time and more often then not, His name on the KKKos board generally is mocked. Let's see, what did Jesus say:

1 John 3:16
This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers.

John 15:13
Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

Looks to me Christ looks very favorably on those willing to risk their lives for their fellow man. But there's a deeper point that our author misses. Who was Christ? And if the author had even slight realization of who Christ said He was, the author would realize Christ doesn't start in Matthew. And since Christians believe Jesus is God manifested in flesh, consider what Jesus said in the O.T. (no need to address Revelation).

Jesus tells Israel to go to war against Amalek, tells Saul to destroy the Amalekites because they were a blight on humanity. Jesus told the children of Israel to go into the land, destroy the Canaanites. Guess I could go on but hopefully, if the author sees this, he might reconsider using somebody else to justify profane position.

245 kreigwagon  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:26:07pm

re: #241 Sponge

Have you hugged your servicemen today?

No, but I am going to thank them right now...

Thank you for "STANDING ON THAT WALL".

I'm sure the koslings thank them everyday and are appreciative for their sacrifices.


/NOT!

246 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:26:19pm

re: #243 hous bin pharteen

These village idiots did not just get this way folks.
You can thank your teachers union, the left wing media, and your favorite university.
This is the kind of brainwashed youths we end up with because of their propaganda.

Fight for Democracy. Punch a Professor.

In defense of Professors, they're not all bad. Rumor has it there are a few good ones out there, and at least one that I know of posts at LGF.

247 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:26:20pm

Are we being threatened?

Zionist regime's allies to receive response on World Qods Day

complete:

Iran-US-Spokesman
Supporters of the Zionist regime will receive their response during the world Qods Day's rallies, government spokesman, Gholam-Hossein Elham, said Wednesday.

The spokesman made the remarks during his weekly press conference while commenting on the current visit to the occupied Palestine of the US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

Qods Day is held each year on the last Friday of Muslims fasting month of Ramadan after it was nominated by the late Founder of the Islamic Republic, Imam Khomeini, as a day to voice the protest of the Islamic Ummah against the Zionists.

The day falls on October 12 this year.

"The US loses all opportunities to cooperate with regional and other world states by trying to support a regime (the Zionist regime) which is now at its weakest political and social position," Elham said.

He warned that Washington's insistence on its wrong policies and arrogant approaches would have no result "but further political disgrace" for itself.

Referring to the approaching World Qods Day, the spokesman stressed, "Supporters of the Zionist regime will definitely receive the final response for their support on that day."

248 Stuck-in-CA  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:26:48pm

re: #219 Cap'n DOC

re: #213 Stuck-in-CA

From Ismay?

It was an accidental vehicle roll-over. And I am not sure what day it happened, he wasn't specific and I didn't want to press him for details.

249 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:27:12pm

re: #243 hous bin pharteen

Fight for Democracy. Punch a Professor.

If you make t-shirts out of that I'll buy one.

250 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:27:25pm
251 Little ol Me  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:27:25pm

I haven't read all the other post, ..short on time.
I'd just like to say that this isn't a big news flash to me, and I believe that this sad person speaks for many of those wacko's.

252 Random63  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:27:35pm

re: #199 EtNorskTroll

I've got an idea~!

Instead of us curing the darkness, let's light a candle: The next time any of us sees a military type standing in line to get lunch, barge in and pay for his/her meal. Tell them that it is just a small token of appreciation from the American populace.

Then come here and write about it. No names are needed, just an overview of what happened.

WHO'S WITH ME?

~Norsk Troll


Been doing that for 6 years now my friend. It's interesting to see the surprise and humility a soldier shows when you do this for him/her. They don't seem to understand that it is us that owe them a debt for protecting our freedoms and homeland. Whenever I can, whenever there is an opportunity, I will do what ever I can to give my thanks to these brave Americans in any way I can.

Be safe and be well.

P.S. Even going up and shaking their hand and thanking them for their service goes a long way in acknowledging their heroism.

253 kcladderman  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:27:43pm

re: #226 DesertSage

re: #206 kreigwagon


I wonder what Chen's take is on this?

I'm pretty sure Chen and the writer are out drinking beer right about now.


Probably sipping wine.

254 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:27:44pm

Is the Achmadinajad visit to Ground Zero on again, with the Secret Service? Sorry if this has been posted here already - from Michelle Malkin:

Despite the NYPD’s rejection, the Iranian nutjob still plans to visit Ground Zero. And he’ll have Secret Service protection! WABC reports:[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

255 NamDoc67  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:29:05pm

re: #200 Cap'n DOC


Not sure I follow your train of thought.
I was not shamed by Kerry's lies. I was outraged - and felt alone with my rage.

I have spent a lot of time and money and effort in the years since Kerry was nominated, and I can tell you for certain, him and his toadies at the Winter Soldier investigation are liars. But lies and their acceptance are the common currency of these leftists, then and now.

256 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:29:12pm

re: #248 Stuck-in-CA

A fellow from Ismay, MT, was killed last week in a roll-over in or near Baghdad. I keep track of the MT guys...

257 rab3  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:29:13pm

Hey Dan Rather, Thanks for Being Mad As Hell And Not Taking It Anymore

Somewhere, the ghost of Edward R. Murrow is smiling. And if the classic Network's Howard Beale was real, he would be going heh-heh.

Huffpo pats Dan on the back.

258 EtNorskTroll  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:29:23pm

I've got a slogan for this drive--!

When you pay for their meal, tell them that it is "a token of appreciation from the LGF Nation"

Let's start a movement that shows the troops in a tangible way that they are appreciated.

By using that slogan each time, it will draw military types to this site so they can see the support that they really have.

They can then see all the other stories.

Maybe Charles will run a "I DO support the troops" thread once every couple weeks so we can all download our stories.

WHAT DO YOU SAY, CHARLES?

~Norsk Troll

259 kcladderman  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:30:31pm

re: #250 song_and_dance_man

Now thats funny

260 suppaman  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:31:03pm

i finally understand it. i gotta admit these "stupid liberal know it all ass monkeys" are smarter then we are! how? well you see, they are killing us ever so slowly. every time they open their mouths the stupidest thing in the world is said. eventually we will hear so much stupidity that our brain will hemorrhage from the ruptured aneurysms we have been slowly growing when we hear such things. i calculate i got 9 more stupid comments left and since i live in Boston thats 1 more day.. i bid everyone adieu.

261 Elydo  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:31:04pm

re: #244 goodbye_natalie

I think WWJD stands for What Would Judas Do, in this context.


Although I don't automatically subscribe to the popular account of any religious figures' actions, including Judas'. Not enough evidence to be sure.

262 mich-again  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:31:37pm
It seems that us anti-war types have been doing all sorts of mental and philisophical gymnastics to try and work around this.

I call it pretzel logic.

263 Sponge  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:31:40pm

I just amazes me that they seem to forget that those 'brown skinned' people, as he put it, want to kill him. They wanted to kill him before the war, before Bush, before clintorus (bc?), before he was born.

Democracy increased their hatred. We created the Navy because they killed our sailors and stole our ships. Their hatred of us has been around LONG before the war.

But, what do you want from a jackass, I guess.

264 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:32:25pm

re: #216 DesertSage


And it was voted on and approved by the legislative branch.
Despite their lies now of saying they were mislead.

SO HILARY, YOU ARE SAYING YOU WERE LIED TO? BY WHO?
BY YOUR HUSBAND AND HIS ADMINISTRATION?
How many times do we have to hear the sound bites and read the quotes of the democrats before Bush was elected.


Democrats are pathetic.

Lurxs, you are an idiot.

265 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:32:41pm

re: #261 Elydo

I think WWJD stands for What Would Judas Do, in this context.

LOL. Well, that is a great point. And since you brought Judas up, why doesn't this KKKos Kid follow his example? I'll provide the rope.

266 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:33:29pm

re: #255 NamDoc67

I guess what I was ashamed of was man's inhumanity to man. Some of what I witnessed would not be called anything but inhumane. I know there was no raping, babykilling or pillaging done, but I have no other way to put it. Shame.

267 PSGInfinity  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:33:46pm

re: #253 kcladderman

re: #226 DesertSage

re: #206 kreigwagon


I wonder what Chen's take is on this?


I'm pretty sure Chen and the writer are out drinking beer right about now.


Probably sipping wine.

With their pinky waving around to symbolize their geldingsophistication.

268 Stuck-in-CA  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:33:49pm

re: #256 Cap'n DOC

re: #248 Stuck-in-CA

A fellow from Ismay, MT, was killed last week in a roll-over in or near Baghdad. I keep track of the MT guys...

The Dad is not from MT, not sure about his son, Eddie. I will ask the Dad where Eddie lived.

269 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:34:29pm

re: #246 rabidsquirrel

You are correct.
For every one of them there are hundreds of the other kind.
Our esteemed lizard professors will attest to that.

270 rab3  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:34:29pm

The prophat might have change his mind about pigs if he knew this was coming.

[Link: clipsyndicate.com...]

271 sa trawler  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:34:46pm

re: #242 theheat

Now, I don’t intend to demean Jim Webb. He is determined and impressive in his stance against the war and the crippling of our military.

Oh, how admirable.


the only troop I support is the man or woman who refuses to be deployed

Because there's never any reason to go to war, right? You would have had a blast during WWII, chickenshit. You know, Hitler really wasn't such a bad guy once you got to know him.

Can an anti-war proponent look at these Iraqi resistance fighters with the same admiration, even though they worship differently than us

No pacifist rant would be complete without absolving morally bankrupt assholes of complicity. It comes in handy when you're trying to justify why you do nothing and refuse to pass judgment, even at the cost of your own neck and the lives of your countrymen.

Jim Webb is a total asshole, like Murtha, Sir JFK, drunKennedy, Pelosi, Reid, Carter, and anyone named Clinton.

272 DesertSage  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:35:12pm

I only support college students when they refuse to deploy to the classroom.

273 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:36:23pm

re: #257 rab3

Hey Dan Rather, Thanks for Being Mad As Hell And Not Taking It Anymore


Somewhere, the ghost of Edward R. Murrow is smiling. And if the classic Network's Howard Beale was real, he would be going heh-heh.

Huffpo pats Dan on the back.

Oh geez... I wonder if the media types take classes in self-fellation.

Don't stroke his ego or anything, just compare him to the almighty God of journalism for... What? Being senile?

Idiots.

274 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:36:39pm

I've not seen BabbaZee today.

Here's the other Baba.

(But, can we hug that one?)

275 NamDoc67  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:37:45pm

re: #196 sa trawler
Had a friend in 1/5 - trained together as medics - who received MOH for action in March '67. I worked with 1st Cav around Bong Son later in '67.

276 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:38:43pm

re: #272 DesertSage

I only support college students when they refuse to deploy to the classroom.

He likes me! He really, really likes me!

/well, at least ten years ago...

277 yah  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:39:13pm

#241 Sponge 9/19/07 7:22:16 pm reply quote report 0

Have you hugged your servicemen today?

That would make a great bumber sticker.

278 DEZes  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:39:15pm

A kos kid that does not support the troops, Wow, What a total shocker.
After all the attempts from the kos kind to cut the troops funding,
Who would have thunk it?

279 Bobibutu  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:39:58pm

re: #199 EtNorskTroll

I do it anonymously every time I pass thru an airport. See one or a few or multiple groups of GIs eating - I don't do the bars - I grab the manager and have them ring everyone up and I pay for it. I tell the manager to just say someone said thanks for their service. Then I move on to the next restaurant until my flight.

I also pop the USO in the airports for their coffee fund.

All my frequent flyer miles are belong to them.

I think mandatory military service should be re-instated. 2 years min.

280 sa trawler  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:40:09pm

re: #275 NamDoc67

re: #196 sa trawler
Had a friend in 1/5 - trained together as medics - who received MOH for action in March '67. I worked with 1st Cav around Bong Son later in '67.

Wasn't there in '67, but we did some damage in '69.

281 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:40:46pm

OT:

Hillary panders to Spanish speakers with Spanish language ads that say her position on abortion is "I will fight for the children"

Hillary is pro-abortion.


Hillary gets non-stop pimping from a fawning press.

282 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:40:54pm

re: #270 rab3

I got a killer question for the evolution theorists along this line but I'll hold my water for one of those Friday night discussions.

By the way, since it has been determined that most Diabetes Mellitus is caused by autoimmune response, there is some real hope in the future, that none of the pig cells will be necessary. Preliminary results look very promising that diabetes may be stopped cold by simply depressing parts of the immune system.

283 Thanos  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:41:00pm

re: #274 MandyManners

I've not seen BabbaZee today.

Here's the other Baba.

(But, can we hug that one?)


She sent me some email earlier

284 rawmuse  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:43:57pm

I am so embarrassed by my fellow 'citizens'. Why do they beg for their own demise? Are the instincts of self preservation so absent in them that they would bolster those who wish us death? Apparently so. Maybe we are just too damned stupid to survive these idiots. There are just so damned many of them, and they occupy such high offices. I despair out loud. I hope it does not come to another civil war right here in the US, but the way things are going now, I see no way to prevent it.

285 rab3  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:44:06pm

re: #273 Pawn of the Oppressor

Huffpo has his back until they turn around and run then Huffpo will be in front.

286 yochanan  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:45:27pm

re: #189 rabidsquirrel

what goes on in los vages stays in los vages except for oj

287 rab3  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:46:26pm

Harry Reid Failed Today As A Pirate

As we wind down Talk Like A Pirate Day, If there ever was a pirate council in American politics, it's MoveOn.org. They're scurrilous, they play dirty, and they're degenerates in every sense of the word. So when they announced that they had purchased the Democratic Party, that they own it, they can't be very happy with their captain, Senator Harry Reid.

Arrrgh Captin Reid which way be Davey Jones Locker.

288 independentCalguyinTX  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:46:27pm

Well it is my turn to dogpile on this maroon: First off he never did define just how the war is illegal; second, God is on our side and not on Islam's side since Mo's hallucination was inspired by the devil's alcohol of the time; third I thought I'd give him a list of "wars of agression" that he owes his existence to: 1) The Crusades which drove out the conquering horde of muSlimes; 2) the American Revolution; 3) the American Civil War; 4) WWI; 5) WWII. Granted I left out such skirmishes as the defeat of the Spanish Armada; the Seven Years War, etc. but his pathetic existence would most likely have still occurred, which is a damn shame in my book. But the bright side of his sheer idiocy is that it speaks volumes about the state of our public school system and majority of the unDemocratic Party.

289 mich-again  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:47:13pm

I think this is the dumbest part of the KosKid's analysis.

When Sunni tribes got paid off enough to stop shooting at GIs and instead shoot at Al-Qaeda (in reality themselves) it is funny how they suddenly became Freedom Fighters.

If he really thinks thats true then he's just plain stupid.

And I wonder what those Sunni tribes would say to his blanket accusation that all it takes is a suitcase of cash to get a Sunni to kill his own brother.

290 TheEnergyAnalyst  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:49:08pm

Not particularly informative. Just a rare honest leftist. Doesn't make him more desirable, just a bit more honest.

291 Stuck-in-CA  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:50:51pm

re: #284 rawmuse

I am so embarrassed by my fellow 'citizens'. Why do they beg for their own demise? Are the instincts of self preservation so absent in them that they would bolster those who wish us death? Apparently so. Maybe we are just too damned stupid to survive these idiots. There are just so damned many of them, and they occupy such high offices. I despair out loud. I hope it does not come to another civil war right here in the US, but the way things are going now, I see no way to prevent it.

I think you verbalized very well how most of us feel. It really is like waking up in the Twilight Zone where Americans have becoming lemmings.

292 Blue Chip  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:51:14pm

As for the Kos writer: He’s a pacifist until you try to get in front of him at a crowded bar or grab the parking spot he was eying – then there’s something worth fighting for.

I guess he’s a site-specific pacifist. Don’t ‘disrespect’ him or his friends – or you’ll find out he’s not actually ‘a person who doesn't’t believe in violence”.

As for the ‘distasteful (to Americans) theocratic tinged state’ he predicts will appear – for a guy who doesn't’t believe in violence, he seems indifferent to the blood that will flow when religious psychopaths with weapons take control. But again, since it’s not his beef, it’s not his problem. He was anti-violence back when the jocks were towel snapping his ass in gym class.

Actually, I more interested in the site. The fact that Kos would post this guy's slam on the US military, so soon after the Move On ad shows just how ‘up yours’ and brazen this crowd has become. Kos must recognize that providing a forum for anti military messages like this isn’t going to win any points with the moderates or liberals who actually support the military.

Bad post, bad site, bad site management, bad politics.

Is it a wonder why the left will lose with supporters like this?

293 sa trawler  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:52:06pm

re: #275 NamDoc67

re: #196 sa trawler
Had a friend in 1/5 - trained together as medics - who received MOH for action in March '67. I worked with 1st Cav around Bong Son later in '67.

Wish is was 30 years younger. Would still do it for $98.00 a month. Would love to sight in all I could.

294 NamDoc67  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:52:44pm

re: #280 sa trawler

Welcome Home little bro'

295 mich-again  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:53:23pm

re: #290 TheEnergyAnalyst

He's trying to untwist his own pretzel logic but its already baked so its just kind of crumbling.

296 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:53:54pm

re: #244 goodbye_natalie

Thank you for a very interesting and informed post.

297 sa trawler  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:54:03pm

re: #294 NamDoc67

re: #280 sa trawler

Welcome Home little bro'

Still trying, but a lot better.

298 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:56:02pm

re: #292 Blue Chip

The darling Democrats running congress have improved it so much it now has an 11% approval rate with the American public.
Mind you when Bush hit 32% they said he should quit. Should be impeached.
Yeah, I would be feeling good about the next election if I were them.

299 yochanan  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:56:06pm

re: #247 Noam Sayin'

WAR OR TERRORIST ATTACK
somehow another speech would pain this momzar as a paper tiger.

300 yochanan  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:58:15pm

[Link: www.bigpharaoh.com...]

KOS = PUSSY

301 NamDoc67  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 7:58:57pm

re: #293 sa trawler

My SS lifetime benefits statement reveals $1,900 income for all of 1967 (all year spent in Nam) - and that included combat pay! Anyway, it was enough to buy a '65 Chevy Impala convertible in 1968 (from Roger Penske personally!) and have change left. Wish I still had it.

Buddies who kept their "homecoming cars" turn down offers up to $100K for them now (the one I have in mind is a '62 Corvette).

302 Stuck-in-CA  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 8:00:50pm
303 Blue Chip  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 8:02:09pm

re: #298 hous bin pharteen

I agree - with friends like this who needs enemies. They're being dragged down by the far left and refuse to denounce them. As Bill Kristol said - why would they denounce them, they agree with them!

What about the site? I don't understand why Kos would let someone post something like this? It's the interenet version of the move on ad.

A fan of your posts, btw...

304 Irene NYC  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 8:02:19pm

I think it's great Dan Rather is suing CBS for $70 million.

He wasn't alone making the decision to do whatever it took to defeat Bush, and I'm sure he had plenty of cover from up above. It would be great to see the memos and emails, and have people recall conversations, about what Moonves and others high up the chain were saying and doing all that time that this controversy was going on. It's not like they yanked Rather off the air. This went on for days.

Let the American people see what kind of sh*ts are running the networks.

305 NamDoc67  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 8:02:55pm

re: #291 Stuck-in-CA

What you need to understand is that this is EXACTLY the desired outcome of the demoralization project of the Left - ongoing now for over 50 years. To make the USA and all of Western capitalist civilization indefensible - and maybe not worth defending in the eyes of a majority of its own citizens. This is what Kruschev meant by "We will bury you" - not in a pile of radioactive debris, but in a heap of quivering moral impotence.

306 sa trawler  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 8:05:36pm

re: #301 NamDoc67

re: #293 sa trawler

My SS lifetime benefits statement reveals $1,900 income for all of 1967 (all year spent in Nam) - and that included combat pay! Anyway, it was enough to buy a '65 Chevy Impala convertible in 1968 (from Roger Penske personally!) and have change left. Wish I still had it.

Buddies who kept their "homecoming cars" turn down offers up to $100K for them now (the one I have in mind is a '62 Corvette).

I'd give up my '62 corvette ($100,000.00) if I had one, to get back into the battle to kill as many of these heathens as I could.

307 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 8:05:38pm

re: #184 easy

A simple civics quiz. The same one Harvard seniors got a D+ on.

The last civics class I had was in high school 28 years ago, taught by a democrat. With strict grading, no mulligans, no peeking I got an 85% on this quiz. They don't just watch CNN, they must believe CNN.

308 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 8:08:54pm

Koskidz are now fundraising for Al Qaeda: Komment...

Support the non-violent resistance.
World War 4 Report is a anti-imperialist website which is strongly critical of what a German Social Democrat a century ago called, "The anti-imperialism of fools."

The New SPACE (The New School for Pluralistic
Anti-Capitalist Education) Presents

BUILDING SOLIDARITY WITH IRAQ'S CIVIL RESISTANCE

With contact information to send donations.
Un-fucking-believable

309 mich-again  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 8:09:00pm

re: #292 Blue Chip

he seems indifferent to the blood that will flow when religious psychopaths with weapons take control.

Just look at what Murtha said..

"Many have threatened that there will be chaos, a bloodbath, when the United States redeploys from Iraq, and this in fact may be the case," Murtha said in a speech at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., Monday. "If they continue to choose to spill blood, it will not be on the conscience of the United States."

This is coming from a guy who wants us to abandon ship now. He's a peace activist who's OK with genocide.

310 Clutch  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 8:09:14pm

If any of y'all get CPU (Computer Power User) Magazine, please take note of the November issue (I think it is November, just got it yesterday and can't get to it right now). In one of the articles about blogs, the graphic that they use is a collage of different blog home pages. Unfortunately, they didn't use LGF but they did use The Daily Kos. Disgusting; they just should have gone straight to the source and used an Al-Quida blog instead. Maybe a nice "way to go, asshole; nice to see you pimping for the enemy" letter to the editor is called for.

(I'm probably blowing this up way out of proportion. If I want to blow anything up, let's start with TDK... It would be like sticking an M-80 in a fresh pile of horsesh!t, gotta get real far away when all that dung goes airborne so's ya don't get any on ya...)

311 Stuck-in-CA  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 8:11:49pm
312 Bob the Scot  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 8:13:26pm

re 307 David
last civics class in 1965, i got a 67 on the thing.
Something is really wrong at Harvard!

313 Blue Chip  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 8:14:02pm

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

Chief Brody in 'Jaws'

This problem is bigger than we think...

314 Bob the Scot  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 8:14:56pm

oops i meant a 87, total black keyboard here

315 NamDoc67  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 8:14:59pm

re: #306 sa trawler

I'd give up my '62 corvette ($100,000.00) if I had one, to get back into the battle to kill as many of these heathens as I could.

The way things are going, you just might get the chance soon in a "theater" near you.

316 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 8:15:22pm

re: #303 Blue Chip

Thanks for the compliment.

The Kos site?
He believes the ad himself.
They believe their own propaganda.
The other question is how many dem candidates are paying him this time to support their campaigns like Howard Dean did.

317 mich-again  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 8:17:19pm

re: #308 Killgore Trout

Did you read that one.. What a hoot!

...are struggling for freedom against the occupation and against the Ba'athists and the political Islamists, who aim to impose a theocratic state on the Iraqi people. NO-IFS supports Iraq’s civil resistance, which champions the rights of women, workers, national minorities, and GLBT people and fights for a non-sectarian and multi-ethnic society.

They want the USA to get out of Iraq so that they can establish a secular government that will be a champion for the rights of GLBT people. And this will be easier to do once the US forces are out of Iraq. Yeah good luck with that lefty.

318 Johnny 100 Pesos  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 8:18:57pm

I have decided that the phrase "Support The Troops" is meaningless. How many times have you heard someone say, "I'm against the war, but I support the troops." What do they mean by that? It's just a meaningless string of words designed to mollify real criticism of their position.

But even on our side, I really don't know what they mean when people say they support the troops.

Is there an accepted definition (or description) of the act of supporting the troops, or is it all just blah blah? Is supporting the troops mean stick a yellow ribbon on your bumper, or is there more to it than that?

This is not meant to show any disrespect to anyone, I'm just tired of empty phrases.

319 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 8:19:16pm

re: #308 Killgore Trout

Commies for Terrorists
Sweet!

320 sa trawler  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 8:20:13pm

re: #315 NamDoc67

re: #306 sa trawler

I'd give up my '62 corvette ($100,000.00) if I had one, to get back into the battle to kill as many of these heathens as I could.

The way things are going, you just might get the chance soon in a "theater" near you.

Bring it on,,,

321 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 8:21:06pm

re: #244 goodbye_natalie

WWJD? That is a strange question for a KKKos kid to ask because they certainly don't Him credit any other time and more often then not, His name on the KKKos board generally is mocked. Let's see, what did Jesus say:

1 John 3:16
This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers.

John 15:13
Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

Looks to me Christ looks very favorably on those willing to risk their lives for their fellow man. But there's a deeper point that our author misses. Who was Christ? And if the author had even slight realization of who Christ said He was, the author would realize Christ doesn't start in Matthew. And since Christians believe Jesus is God manifested in flesh, consider what Jesus said in the O.T. (no need to address Revelation).

Jesus tells Israel to go to war against Amalek, tells Saul to destroy the Amalekites because they were a blight on humanity. Jesus told the children of Israel to go into the land, destroy the Canaanites. Guess I could go on but hopefully, if the author sees this, he might reconsider using somebody else to justify profane position.

God often says in Scripture to defend orphans, widows, the helpless. That doesn't mean just buying them a few cans of food (although that is good, too). When God has Joshua ben Nun and company to destroy the Canaanites, etc. it is IMHO an extension of this command. We are to assume that something made the merciful, loving God a little miffed at them. We know that they had child sacrifices, burning babies alive. Perhaps that was it, or perhaps something worse. Sometimes the only way to cure a wound is to cut away the wounded tissue.

322 MICHAEL in MI  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 8:24:34pm

As an antidote to this nonsense, go here to read one of the best speeches you will ever read: Major General John Kelly: "My response to the reporter was something like: 'hell these are Marines. Men like them held Guadalcanal and took Iwo Jima, Baghdad ain't shit.'"

The good news is our service members are as good today, as their fathers were in Vietnam, and their grandfathers were in Korea and World War II. In my two tours in Iraq as an infantry officer with the 1st Marine Division I never saw an American hesitate, or do anything other than lean into the fire and with no apparent fear of death or injury take the fight to our enemies. As anyone who has ever experienced combat knows, when it starts, when the explosions and tracers are everywhere and the calls for the Corpsman or medic are screamed from the throats of men who know they are dying - when seconds seem like hours and it all becomes slow motion and fast forward at the same time-everything in one's survival instinct says stop, get down, save yourself -yet they don't. When no one would call them cowards for cowering behind a wall or in a hole looking to their own self preservation, none of them do. It doesn't matter if it's an IED, a suicide bomber, mortar attack, fighting in an up stairs room of a house, or all of it at once; they talk, swagger, and, most importantly, fight today in the same way our young warriors have since the Revolution. They also know whose shoulders they stand on, and would die before anyone of them shamed any veteran of any service, living or dead.

You should see them. They have a look in their eye and a way of walking that marks them as warriors as good as any that have ever marched to the guns, but they are not born killers. They are, on the contrary, good and decent youngsters mostly from the neighborhoods of our cities, and small towns across America. Almost all are from "salt of the earth" working class homes, and more often than not are the sons and daughters of cops and firemen, factory workers and farmers. Kids who once delivered your papers, stocked shelves in the grocery store, played Little League, and served Mass on Sunday morning. They were athletes, as well as "couch potatoes," drove their cars and motorcycles too fast, and blasted their music a bit louder than they should. They are ordinary young people, performing remarkable acts of bravery and selfless acts of devotion to a cause bigger than themselves. They could have done something more self serving, but chose to serve knowing full well Iraq and Afghanistan was in their future. They did not avoid the most basic and cherished responsibility of a citizen, on the contrary they welcomed it. They did not fail in school and without prospects, as the chattering class believe is why they are in the military and fighting and dying for the nation, but rather are the best our nation has to offer and have put every one of us above their own self interest. They are all heroes, but they know and understand fear in a way that few Americans do. It is not as much the fear of death or maiming they think about, but, rather, they are most terrified of letting their buddies down...but they never do.

323 Cognito  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 8:26:07pm

re: #218 song_and_dance_man

You know, it's funny how often you mention me in posts.

'Funny.'

324 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 8:32:45pm

re: #322 MICHAEL in MI

Our secret weapon.

325 Attaboid  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 8:44:25pm

It was mind numbing to read that.
bleah
bleach please.

326 arcatan  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 8:55:15pm

These Liberals have become ridiculous in their small minded narcissism. They can only swell their ranks by enticing the young and immature with insipid slogans and tired appeals to contrived, self righteous, indignation.

What I notice here, for the first time, is how Markos claims to have shut up all this time out of fear of being called "anti-American". Yet Markos and his ilk rarely miss an opportunity to fully dehumanize their own opposition. How is it that he's worried about being perceived as anti-American yet is entirely unconcerned about labeling non-Liberals as subhumans.

Truth is, people like Markos aren't in the least bit afraid of being called anti-American, they're just afraid of having to answer to real Americans. Their agenda does not include any future for the United States as their loyalty only lies with some imagined Liberal Globalism.

But now the truth comes out, he never has supported the troops - he's only been waiting for a better opportunity to give aid and comfort to the enemy.

327 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 9:26:23pm

Our troops are better than any shit Kos can fling at them, it just bounces right off.
Ask Murtha.

Thats the difference between a professional soldier and a shit slinger.

We have the best,
Kos has the worst.

328 JeremyR  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 9:27:41pm

Hat tip Scorpius at SondraK.
Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Turkish Sultan!

O sultan, turkish devil and damned devil’s kith and kin, secretary to Lucifer himself. What the devil kind of knight are you, that can’t slay a hedgehog with his naked arse? The devil shits, and your army eats. You will not, you son of a bitch, make subjects of Christian sons; we’ve no fear of your army, by land and by sea we will battle with thee, fuck your mother.

You Babylonian scullion, Macedonian wheelwright, brewer of Jerusalem, goat-fucker of Alexandria, swineherd of Greater and Lesser Egypt, Armenian pig, Podolian thief, catamite of Tartary, hangman of Kamyanets, and fool of all the world and underworld, an idiot before God, grandson of the Serpent, and the crick in our dick. Pig’s snout, mare’s arse, slaughterhouse cur, unchristened brow, screw your own mother!

So the Zaporozhians declare, you lowlife. You won’t even be herding Christian pigs. Now we’ll conclude, for we don’t know the date and don’t own a calendar; the moon’s in the sky, the year with the Lord, the day’s the same over here as it is over there; for this kiss our arse!

Somehow, I just have a feeling that Cossacks and Kossacks are totally diffrent breeds.

329 American Soldier  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 9:34:37pm
You signed up, you get to go to the desert and risk being shot at by brown skinned people who don’t believe the lies you’ve been told. A war of aggression is immoral, period. If you believe in God, you can damned well be sure you are going to hell for your participation in it.


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330 tblot  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 9:41:16pm

God Bless our Brave Men and Women in the military

331 markie  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 10:07:05pm

by: Asshat

...If you believe in God, you can damned well be sure you are going to hell for your participation in it.

And I'm sure he has a degree in religion to wave at you to back up his assertion. Not.

332 29Victor  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 10:17:25pm

What a cowardly punk. Only crawling out from under his rock with his heart-felt four-year military hatred when it's en vogue.

Somebody should taser this rat-bastard.

333 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 10:22:57pm

When I find myself speaking to a soldier when I'm working, I always take time to thank them.

334 RTLM  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 10:39:13pm

DKos is a putrid shithole. A collection of pencil necked, feminized, wanna-be elites who hate their country. Much in the same way a petulant juvenile hates his home - until he's finally shown the door and has to fend on his own.
Only many of the petulant juveniles posting on Kos are 50 years old. That's a long to live with mommy.

Grow up.

335 Biff  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 10:40:10pm

What war? There hasn't been a war in Iraq since "mission accomplished". If we had been fighting a war since then, it would have been over well before now. Any army that is punished by its own command for hitting enemy camp followers and terror supporters, will never claim victory; that's an historical fact. Any army willing to sacrifice its own troops to protect the lives of enemy camp followers and terror supporters has lost touch with the art of war.

If Southwest Falluja and Tikrit had been flattened and incinerated, President Bush would now have much greater support and respect both in the US and in Iraq.

At this point, we should just admit what we are doing, and that is setting up a base of operations against Iran.

336 Biff  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 10:43:36pm

Right on dude, my point exactly.

#97 buzzsawmonkey 9/19/07 6:28:15 pm reply quote report 3

The "Defense Department" doesn't cut it. The War Department won WWII.

337 gman  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 11:00:19pm

re: #33 buzzsawmonkey
It's Brittney time!

Yeah, baby!
Oops I can't believe I did it again!
just dumped on the troops!
just irrigated my colon!
I'm not that innocent!

Now sing it again, this time blowing 10 bubbles and clicking your heels

338 Whammo  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 11:15:47pm

"This has been digging at me for, oh, about 4 years now. I have been hesitant to express this thought, in comments sections and in discussion with other people about the Iraq quagmire for fear of, I don’t know, being called mean. Or, un-American. Or something."

More traitor or coward.

339 JWM  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 11:20:00pm

It's late, and I'm jumping to the end of the thread without reading all 336 comments. The gap between me and this kostard is roughly the same as the gap between me and your average islamist.
Unbridgeable.
The left and islam- both running neck and neck in the race to perfect invincible ignorance, and force feed it to everyone else.

JWM

340 Stuck-in-CA  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 11:29:47pm

re: #256 Cap'n DOC

re: #248 Stuck-in-CA

A fellow from Ismay, MT, was killed last week in a roll-over in or near Baghdad. I keep track of the MT guys...


In case you are still out here monitoring the thread...his hometown is Daleville, Alabama.

341 Gozer the Carpathian  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 11:36:02pm

Well at least THIS one fully and openly admits it. Now if we could get all the other morons on the left to do the same and we'd get somewhere.

342 lvrick  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 11:42:51pm

re: #286 yochanan

re: #189 rabidsquirrel

what goes on in los vages stays in los vages except for oj

It's Las Vegas or, in my case, Lost Wages.

-lvRick

343 Stuck-in-CA  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 11:45:51pm

And this is a Memorium to Eddie

344 lvrick  Wed, Sep 19, 2007 11:59:55pm

re: #322 MICHAEL in MI

WOW! Great post.

345 B A Rabbit  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 12:08:08am

anybody notice that they tagged the thread as an "LGF Plant?"

346 tradewind  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 12:49:54am

Scrolling through komments, one finds...

It's a damn plant from LGF (5+ / 0-)
Recommended by:taylormattd, Elise, noweasels, irishwitch, tecampbell
to make us into our stereotypes.
347 Pass The Moonbaticide  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 1:21:04am
even though they worship differently than us

Does anybody believe this rabid moonbat worships any deity at all ?

348 Pshawalaw  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 3:22:46am

The operative part of their viewpoint comes in this sentence,

Now, I don’t intend to demean Jim Webb. He is determined and impressive in his stance against the war and the crippling of our military.

What the fool didn't intend to say, but nonetheless did say is:

He is determined and impressive in ... the crippling of our military.

The rest of the post is just fluff, the real sentiment is found in that one line.

Idiots!

349 southernborn  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 4:31:01am

I wonder if this one is a lgf plant. Ha
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

350 blue_like_jazz  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 4:32:24am

i, for one, find this utterly refreshing.

351 mrshankly01  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 4:32:52am

re: #318 Johnny 100 Pesos

no disrespect taken. they act like the troops are cancer patients. i support the cancer patient, but I hate cancer. i support the troops, but i hate this war. blah blah blah. we soldiers have become the new minority. its BS. they should support us because we are doing the right thing, not because they feel sorry for us. i just laugh when i hear someone say it, and reply, "support the troops by supporting the mission."

352 southernborn  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 4:35:21am

re: #322 MICHAEL in MI

absolutely fantastic post thank you

353 mrshankly01  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 4:38:48am

where is everyone at?

354 pvoce  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:08:12am

Coming to an airport near you...KETCHUP COVERED BULLETS!

Two for one special for all military personnel!

Hear the ancient cries of "baby killer" and "war-mongers".

355 BeerForMyHorses  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:14:29am

"A theocratic tinged state"? This is how the moonbat masses look at a government based on Sharia law! Oh, don't worry about it, it's only tinged with theocracy./

I would like to see this dolt dropped off in a no-infidel region of Saudi Arabia and see how long he maintains this silly mindset. Probably about as long as he keeps his head (literally).

356 BeerForMyHorses  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:16:00am

re: #350 blue_like_jazz

I, for one, find your remark utterly stupid. Unless you just forgot the sarc tag.

357 BeerForMyHorses  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:18:21am

re: #349 southernborn

Peter King is right. There are too many mosques. There are too many muslims, too. Peter King '08!

358 ArmyAunt  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:22:09am

Kos has left the diary up.
He appears to me to be pushing things even more leftward.
Pretty soon, he will be too far left even for Edwards lol.

359 Jeewhiz  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:36:55am

The egocentrism is actually stunning to behold. No, it's not that I've never seen it before, but I just don't know how you can make it to adulthood and when you look around, you see only your own point of view.

What the nimrod doesn't get is that it doesn't matter if you don't believe in 'violence' if there is at least one other person who does and they're looking at YOU.

I see this diary as something that merely admits what has long been known. I don't think that they need bother to pretend anymore, it's not like we couldn't see it when it started.

I don't need affirmation from an idiot to feel confirmed in my belief that he's an idiot.

360 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:43:42am

Two words: FUCK YOU

361 screaming_eagle  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:56:35am

[deleted]

362 DeafDog  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:02:33am

re: #322 MICHAEL in MI

Good stuff!

363 Trafalgar  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:05:12am

Can they please stop the ridiculous expression "war of aggression"? War is by its very nature aggressive. You just can't have a war of pacifism or a war of holding hands. As someone already commented, what the hell were the D-Day invasion, the bombing of Dresden, Hiroshima or Nagasaki if not aggressive? And they were in turn responses to aggressive acts by our enemies. The left seems to think that labeling it a "war of aggression" somehow makes it illegal or immoral. War is simply war. Now let's go win this one!

364 DeafDog  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:06:35am

re: #335 Biff

What war? There hasn't been a war in Iraq since "mission accomplished". If we had been fighting a war since then, it would have been over well before now. Any army that is punished by its own command for hitting enemy camp followers and terror supporters, will never claim victory; that's an historical fact. Any army willing to sacrifice its own troops to protect the lives of enemy camp followers and terror supporters has lost touch with the art of war.

If Southwest Falluja and Tikrit had been flattened and incinerated, President Bush would now have much greater support and respect both in the US and in Iraq.

At this point, we should just admit what we are doing, and that is setting up a base of operations against Iran.

I disagree. You are stuck in WWII. To understand what is going on, may I suggest that you review the Counterinsurgency manual:

[Link: atiam.train.army.mil...]

365 Bard  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:19:32am

re: #99 rabidsquirrel

re: #91 David IV of Georgia
I Agree. War and Defense are two different things. You can't win anything by defense. Next they'll want to call it the Department of International Peacekeeping and Humanitarian Aid.


Actually, they just want to call it the Department of Peace

Don't they have a State Department for that?

366 gatorbait  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:23:59am

Aid and comfort to the enemy in wartime. Sedition.

367 kentuckyjoe  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:28:10am

Wasn't Markos "Screw Them" supposed to be a Gulf War (1991) veteran himself? I wonder if he was forward deployed (combat) or a gear in the rear kinda guy? If you've seen him in interviews, he's has that mousse-haired, deer in the headlights, sugar in the gas tank kinda look.

368 GreenDroll  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:37:32am

"I am sorry but supporting the troops means supporting this illegal war."

State the statute or convention the war is in violation of... or just shut up and accept the fact that it is not an "illegal war"

369 ArmyAunt  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:48:07am

Pretty good rebuttal over there:

Amazing.
I am curious as to how you think this war is illegal since it was approved by and funded by our Congress.

Can a person who doesn't believe in violence support that people's right to govern themselves, perhaps violently

So you don't believe in our troops using violence but you support someone else's right to use violence. How do you explain this logic?
Also, do you believe you would be allowed to post opposing viewpoints of the government in a:

distasteful (to Americans) theocratic tinged state

.
such as:

3 Current states with theocratic aspects
3.1 Iran
3.2 Saudi Arabia

As a woman, I would not want to live under such states as Iran, Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan. And you would not be permitted to publish anything against the government there and if you did, well, you would certainly receive worse than a public spanking on a blog, I can ASSURE you of that.

It appears to be easy for you to spout your "thoughts" in a country that allows such freedoms BECAUSE of our soldiers.
I lost my nephew in Iraq and it sickens me that anyone could feel as you do.
The funny thing is, he would have laughed at you and said well that's his right to speak freely.

If you believe in God, you can damned well be sure you are going to hell for your participation in it

And you know this how? Unless God spoke to you and told you this, I can only assume that this is your wish of what would happen.
Oh how easy it is to sit in your comfortable home and enlighten us with your "thoughts".
BTW, sometime if you are feeling froggy, how 'bout spouted that bs to a soldier face to face?

370 DeafDog  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:52:40am

re: #332 29Victor

What a cowardly punk. Only crawling out from under his rock with his heart-felt four-year military hatred when it's en vogue.


Bingo!

371 nikis-knight  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:56:54am

At this rate, how long until the "pacifists" line up to spit on returning soldiers and start throwing around "baby-killers"?

The irony of such repulsive epitats would, of course, be lost on them:
[Link: www.michaelyon-online.com...]

372 LC LaWedgie  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:59:23am

There are certainly some holy, righteous beings there at the dKoKz. Real Biblical scholars, they are.

Liked this one:


A lot of them DO join for the bennies (5+ / 0-)

Recommended by: dadanation, Elise, jhutson, kath25, LynneK

Or becasue they couldn't get a job. Yes, they have high school dimplomas or GEDs, which qualify them to work at a fast food joint.
Navy WIfe for 15 years. I knew a LOT of the guys and why they went in--msotly it was becasue there weren't jobs or because they wanted to go to college and Mom and Dad made jsut too much for them to qual for loans or grants.

The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

by irishwitch on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 09:52:40 PM PDT

/I wonder if irishwitch would get a job msotly becasue of her dimploma or becasue she was jsut so qual?

373 Yashmak  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:13:07am
Can a person who doesn’t believe in violence support that people’s right to govern themselves, perhaps violently.

How can anyone take a person who says they "don't believe in violence" seriously? Wake up to the real world, libs, it's a violent place . . . and is going to remain that way no matter how strongly you don't believe it.

374 insanity police  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:26:19am

T R A I T O R

375 Orbit Rain  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:44:00am

"I am sorry but supporting the troops means supporting this illegal war."

*'illegal war'*

?

Your sense of logic and view of reality are fucked up dude. Who says it's illegal? You? Some politician? Some foreign body? Some collection of foreign bodies? some foreign leader? Did the Congress? Did the Supreme Court?

no

Go ahead, bitch and whine all ya want, piss in the wind all you want, go ahead and just twist the fuck out of your own self, your own soul, go ahead, get mad.

You are doing it to yourself. You should figure that out, you should examine your own "login" and your own "facts" to see if they match the rest of what's *real*...

...not what you imagine...

376 Orbit Rain  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:08:26am

*logic

377 NamDoc67  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:28:01am

The '91 Gulf War came to a close with a cease fire and a truce. No peace was ever legally concluded. The intrenatioonally sanctioned coalition suspended offensive operations based on several contingencies the Iraqi regime had to meet. It met none of them.

The U.N. approved no-fly zone air ops assigned to Britain and the USA were fired on countless times (hundreds) over years. Each and every instance was a legal causus belli (cause for war); Saddam's attempted assassination of Bush Sr. was a legal causus belli. The 1993 attack on the World Trade Center was, in part, an Iraqi intel operation and was an act of war requiring a military response.

It is no fault of decent thinking Americans that we had an administration in those days which had no balls (except for extracurricular activities).

Morons who deny history on the one hand and rewrite it on the other have zero credibility in any discussion of these matters.

Illegal war my ass. The real crime was in allowing this regime to go on as long as we did. Justice delayed is always asking for worse later.

Why shouldn't bin Laden have believed he could get away with outrageous mass murder on American soil?

378 pxystick  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:12:52am

Uncle Jimbo didn't like this post, at blackfive.net

Blackfivel.net Link

I disagree with Uncle Jimbo, as did Michael in MI in the comments. This isn't cherry picking comments, it's a diary at the site. As many have noted, there are some positive comments at Kos, which shows that many have at least a little sense. But this isn't a comment, it's moderater approved. Well, up until the point it's removed!

379 Biff  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:28:48am

re: #364 DeafDog

And what "war" has the US won since WWII?

I disagree. You are stuck in WWII. To understand what is going on, may I suggest that you review the Counterinsurgency manual:

380 Pete(Detroit)  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:40:02am

re: #95 southernborn

Baby Jimmy Carter and his relatives over there.
good case to make you believe in abortion

Or abstinance.

381 freewesterncanada  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 11:01:25am
If you believe in God, you can damned well be sure you are going to hell for your participation in it.

Ecclesiastes 3
8 a time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace.

The only question one has to answer is now the time to save some of the lives Saddam and his goons were killing.

I love the cracker jack understanding of 'god'.

382 opnion  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 11:57:30am

Well,that was disgusting. Where to begin? He likes that to him Webb wants to"cripple" the military.
We paid Iraqis to turn on Al Queda? The terrorists are freedom Fighters?
And the troops are Mercenaries?
Listen you little punk, they are not being paid enough for what they do.
They do it because they believe in something that apparently you do not.
They are your betters and I do hope that a day in your life arrives when you are ashamed of what you have written.

383 Daisy  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 2:01:35pm

"You signed up, you get to go to the desert and risk being shot at by brown skinned people who don’t believe the lies you’ve been told."

I'm a genuine Moonbat, my favorite color is pink, and Bush caused Katrina and men have not walked on the moon and I hate, hate, hate rich people and poor people really, really bother me because they like to shop at Walmart and Walmart's tacky.


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