I'll go with #2.

c) All of the above.

I hope they turn over all the rocks at CBS. It won't be pretty, except maybe pretty funny.

my bet is on #2

Maybe he will produce a 1970's pc running windows xp and office 2003.

I wonder if he will be calling his friend Kenneth as a character witness?

c) as well.

OT:

Ahmadinejad plans to visit Ground Zero despite NYPD rejection.

Let's see the Soviet flag waving types gather together and block him! Oh wait...

poor dan

my belief is that is really thinks they are real.

the documents state what he beleives, so they are real.

A typical leftist is disconnected from reality in order to justify his positions.

Facts cause them great anguish - so they block them out of thier consciousness.

I suspect that Dan doesn't have any kerning experts on his side.

The key is the kerning.

I can't wait to hear how Dan Ra<super>th</super>er will prove that they were authentic. Lucy Ramirez, your days are numbered!

/snarcasm

re: #5 pegcity

Maybe he will produce a 1970's pc running windows xp and office 2003.

And the original 1970's document was sent via an i-Pod.

Maybe he needs to be tased back to coherence.

Bring out the Throbinator!

First of all, the onus is on you, mr. rather, to prove them accurate. Until then, they are assumed forgeries, from a journalistic evidence point of view. You don't say it unless you know it is true. How hard is that?

But secondly, they have been proven forgeries. Many times over. One hundreth of the evidence would still be sufficient to prove them forgeries.

Nothing is real
And nothing to get hung about.

Rather's lawyer is just as delusional as Rather is.

Both claim that the documents are authentic, except for a few loose ends that can be brushed aside with a flippant "fake but accurate."

That's the extent of their logic and reasoning. They think that the Thornberg investigation was a coverup, even as the report found serious problems with the authentication process used by CBS, and Rather in particular.

Heck, as Charles has repeatedly said - and which probably should call for a reappearance of the blinking memo of doom - the documents are bogus and there was no way that they could have been created in the 1970s. Microsoft Word was a mere flicker in the eye of a teenage Bill Gates, and yet the Bush document matches perfectly with a Microsoft word document with default settings. Funny how that works.

It's also funny how Rather claimed to authenticate the documents - giving the experts selected issues - a signature based on a copy, and not providing access to the original documents, for example.

However, pass the popcorn if this does manage to go beyond the complaint stage to discovery and beyond because it will be quite entertaining to watch Rather attempt to prove the documents were authentic - which is a central item of his case against CBS.

oh danny boy, the pipes, the pipes are callin'

re: #7 eri

Caterpillar

Hey, I decided to look up lunatic in the dictionary......

Will they subpeona Charles? Could a blogger under a subpeona be ordered not to blog about this case? Hmm.

Danny Boy, lying won't help your reputation one bit!

Senator Hillary Clinton released the following statement:

"It is unacceptable for Iranian President Ahmadinejad, who refuses to renounce and end his own country's support of terrorism, to visit the site of the deadliest terrorist attack on American soil in our nation's history."

That is utter BS, of course. Her campaign (and the entire democratic party) is all about "talking with our enemies."

I say we make her and Madeline go there with dinnerjacket so we can all take photos of them smiling and drinking champaigne

re: #11 Golem Akbar

re: #5 pegcity

Maybe he will produce a 1970's pc running windows xp and office 2003.

And the original 1970's document was sent via an i-Pod.

to a cell phone

President's Press Conference-

SMACK DOWN on David Gregory when Gregory asked about the Israeli attack on Syria. President said: I will not comment on the matter.
Greg said: So what is your impression on what the Israelis did.
Pres: When I say, I will not comment, I mean, I will not comment - next question.

Heh.

President just said he not answer...anyone who ask about the the bombing raid on Syria...good...make them guess.

re: #16 lawhawk

I agree. Popcorn is definitely in order if this thing gets to the discovery stage. And the fun part is, CBS isn't rolling over on it.

This is going to be some serious fun. :)

re: #24 DistantThunder

President's Press Conference-

SMACK DOWN on David Gregory when Gregory asked about the Israeli attack on Syria. President said: I will not comment on the matter.
Greg said: So what is your impression on what the Israelis did.
Pres: When I say, I will not comment, I mean, I will not comment - next question.

Heh.

That Gregory's a tool.

I thought I remembered reading that an IBM Selectic (or something) could have produced Superscript but that it was highly unlikely that the USMil would have had one.

I guess that makes you Mr. Nobody, Charles.

re: #9 DistantThunder

[snip]

I suspect that Dan doesn't have any kerning experts on his side.

The key is the kerning.

wikipedia - kerning

Blog Reaction Roundup.

Dan Rather will cling to the ``authenticity'' of the documents like Captain Queeq did to his strawberries.

Still, this will be fun to watch, and agonizing for both CBS and Dan Rather.

I'm still waiting for Dan Rather to publicly apologize to our president. I guess I'll be waiting a long time.

The man's lost his mind. The memos were not just forged, they were incompetently forged. If he seriously plans to claim otherwise, he's going to end up making Ted Baxter look like a genius.

-jcr

Crap, missed the press conference... busy day today.

All your throbbing memos are belong to us!

Run Dan Run!

Your career and reputation is already in tatters with those who pay attention, might as well sink it (and the Couric network) with those who don't.

nobody’s proved the documents were forgeries

Well, ahem, that's Mister Nobody to you. [referring to His LizardMaster]

President Bush...I will not answer that subject..move on.

The real howler here is that Rather is either too stupid or too senile to understand that it isn't up to ANYONE to prove the documents in question were fake....HE was the one making the charge that GW went AWOL etc and it is up to HIM to prove that the documents ARE authentic....and he never did....and his insistence that it is up to somebody else to prove them bogus is simply typical of that whole liberal MSM mindset.....he's still queer for Slick,poor bastard

Dan Rather: Serial liar, NEVER a Marine, and a

BEDWETTER?

This article is not only plausible, but fits right into character and MO.

re: #27 Peacekeeper,

They really can't handle the truth.

Up next: The Hitler Diaries!

He also believes that the desktop cold-fusion experiment from the late '80's is 'fake, but accurate.'

re: #28 ellem

I thought I remembered reading that an IBM Selectic (or something) could have produced Superscript but that it was highly unlikely that the USMil would have had one.

The problems with the documents go far beyond the superscript. No IBM Selectric was ever made that could produce documents like those.

Hey, Charles, with your knowledge of the memo and its fakiness, I'm sure Rather's lawyers will depose you to poke holes in your theory (or the defense lawyers, to prove your point)! I would love to be a fly on the wall....

He can't prove they're genuine either.

He's Dan Rather, and he's a dick.

Need to dig out some Iowahawk classics for this.

re: #28 ellem

I thought I remembered reading that an IBM Selectic (or something) could have produced Superscript but that it was highly unlikely that the USMil would have had one.

Selectrics could do the super and sub scrips but the spacing was completely different. In the late 70s the selectrics might have been used by the military.

Between 67 and 71 my bro was a payroll sgt in the marines. As of 71, they were still using manual typewriters.

I think the President sometimes stumbles over his words because he is trying to explain obvious concepts to the press who are intellectually disadvantaged.

SMACK DOWN by President Bush on Achmadinijiahd. "I'm sure the police don't want someone down their who's state is involved in state sponsored terror."

re: #43 Cygnus

Up next: The Hitler Diaries!

With photos of Elvis starting his comeback tour starting next year in Vegas.

When did politics in America come to resemble KGB operations?

re: #28 ellem

I thought I remembered reading that an IBM Selectic (or something) could have produced Superscript but that it was highly unlikely that the USMil would have had one.

Powerlineblog had a very detailed analysis of 1970's typewriters and what they could and could not do. I used to own a Selectric which had interchangeable font balls that could do italic if you swapped the ball. You achieved superscript by manually positioning the roll bar a half-line above the current line. Selectric also had an assortment of fonts: Courier, Elite and Pica, all of which were non-proportional spaced fonts, not Times New Roman.

One thing a Selectric most definitely COULD NOT DO was replicate the exact kerning of Times New Roman proportional font used decades later by Microsoft.

The Killian Documents are an LGF False Flag!

he'll produce the real fax from Kinkos

I don't know what kind of sour mash Rather consumes in his "retirement", but Rather took a long, hard look at his "legacy" through the bottom of a glass, and he didn't like what he saw. Bring in the trial lawyer! Maybe he can re-write history!

History repeats itself, first as tragedy, now as farce.

I can hardly wait for you to take the witness stand, Charles! ;-)

re: #41 M. Bensson-Levi

Dan Rather: Serial liar, NEVER a Marine, and a

BEDWETTER?

This article is not only plausible, but fits right into character and MO.

I'll have to ask my son if this is still true.

Maybe Rather could get a job working for the Ministry of Truth.

here's a pic of the computer/typewriter/errr waffle fax? that produced dan's memo...

[Link: www.core77.com...]

hey dan, can we get some maple syrup with that memo?

To believe that those documents are real would require the willing suspension of disbelief.

And what will I'am a jihad say today?

I picture party hacks scouring EBAY for old typewriters, vintage carbon paper, gah.

re: #45 Charles

All Rather's team has to do is produce an identical document and then show how they produced it with 70"s technology - then everyone will believe them.

Mark. Get set, GO!...................

Quoted the Psalms to Mrs. Mahmoud, (had already done Genesis and Paul's Letter to the Hebrews). Still no go on Melchizedek.

Psalms
Chapter 110

A psalm of David. The LORD says to you, my lord: "Take your throne at my righthand, while I make your enemies your footstool."

The scepter of your sovereign might the LORD will extend from Zion. The LORD says: "Rule over your enemies!
Yours is princely power from the day of your birth. In holy splendor before the daystar, like the dew I begot you."

The LORD has sworn and will not waver: "Like Melchizedek you are a priest forever."

At your right hand is the Lord, who crushes kings on the day of wrath,

Who, robed in splendor, judges nations, crushes heads across the wide earth,

Who drinks from the brook by the wayside and thus holds high the head.

My, what a lovely default Times New Roman 12-font you have there, with perfectly-set tabs on your numbering scheme!

When I was 12 I faked homework better than this.

Oh, goody.

This will be sooooo fun to watch.

re: #7 eri If the State Department (late, but still there), the NYPD, Senator Clinton and Former Mayor Giuliani have all said NO to his visit, does he lose his immunity?

ahhh Kerning... it's all coming back now... thanks

Charles Johnson a.k.a. nobody

For analytical support to show that these are fakes......LGFers with military backgrounds have carefully analyized the wording, and details of the content. Concluded that this is not even close to consistant with a genuine memo of that time and that source.

re: #49 DistantThunder

Oops I meant "there whose"

Dan Rather did attend USMC basic training, but washed out. So the thing about being a Marine, is fake but accurate, or something.

When I was active duty in '71, I knew a guy who had a brother serving in the Corps with a Gunny working under a butter-bar with a first cousin whose sister-in-law once dated a guy who draft-dodged by serving in a unit in Texas that was testing advanced small computers that could be used for text editing, with software that was stolen by a pimply-faced kid named Bill who went on to found a software company. So the memos could have looked like Microsoft........

re: #26 Steffan

I don't know about the CBS holding firm though. They may submit a motion to dismiss for failure to state a cause of action or a motion for summary judgment, but they might, in the alternative, settle this out of court to make it go away without admitting liability.

That might not be enough for Rather, who might push the case further, despite the lack of evidence supporting his position. Consider that he should have been fired the moment it became apparent that the documents were bogus and he had reason to know this. That didn't happen. He wasn't fired, but instead removed from the Evening News. He got to remain at CBS and report on stories despite his culpability on the Rathergate fiasco. He claims that he didn't get sufficient airtime.

I suggest that he's lucky to have gotten any airtime at all considering what he did.

kerning....gah.

Charles,

Sounds like you ought to be CBS's star witness. At least you should get a free trip or two to the east coast out of it :-)

re: #61 Peacekeeper

I picture party hacks scouring EBAY for old typewriters, vintage carbon paper, gah.

We used to arm wrestle for the selectrics in typing class.

The fact is, the character spacing of the Times New Roman font used by Microsoft Word is as distinctive as a fingerprint. It's not just the kerning, or the superscript -- look at the animation and you'll see that the vertical line spacing exactly matches as well, and the automatic line wrap broke the lines in exactly the same spaces.

It's completely, 100% impossible that this is a real document from the 1970s. There is no doubt about this.

O/T
Bin Laden urges Pakistanis to revolt

CAIRO, Egypt - Al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden called on Pakistanis to rebel against President Pervez Musharraf in a new recording released on Thursday, saying his military's siege of a militant mosque stronghold makes him an infidel.

It should be Bush suing Dan and CBS.

A major news network tried outright fraud to influence a presidential election.
And we got to listen to millions of mush headed democrats complaining the election was stolen.
No. You TRIED to steal it and failed.

re: #55 quickjustice

I can hardly wait for you to take the witness stand, Charles! ;-)

Wouldn't that be grand?!

;-)

re: #68 ronaldusmagnus

Yes, but he's "Our" nobody. And the whole world can read him.

When I first saw these documents, I almost bust a seam.

As an ancient graphic designer who used pretty much anything in the 70's and 80's to set type, I can say that an IBM selectric - about $3500 back then and I'd say FAR out of any military budget - you're completely right about getting another "ball".

And yes, monospace kerning could not possibly match that document. Heck, just go get the old mac out of the closet and hook it up to the old dot matrix and see how similar they are.

Nope, even using type setting, film and offset lithography (the only way to match that kind of laser quality) and you still wouldn't get anything that you could "overlay" and be even slightly close.

re: #72 American Soldier

But Not with Times New Roman

re: #20 Peacekeeper Nice PK - give them some ideas - some help even.
Geebus, would y'all PULZEEZE get that second (or third) cup of coffee before you start posting stuff like that!

re: #78 insanity police

September 20, 2007: New Bin Laden Message calls for jihad against Pakistan

re: #8 wargammer2005

poor dan

my belief is that is really thinks they are real.

the documents state what he beleives, so they are real.

You've got a point. Leftists constantly engage in magical thinking.

re: #78 insanity police

He's pretty active lately. I wonder what's up.

re: #77 Charles

Oh yeah, that too - heck - try Times Ten or any of the other Adobe or Bitstream or Agfa fonts and see how close they are...

re: #72 American Soldier

When I was active duty in '71, I knew a guy who had a brother serving in the Corps with a Gunny working under a butter-bar with a first cousin whose sister-in-law once dated a guy who draft-dodged by serving in a unit in Texas that was testing advanced small computers that could be used for text editing, with software that was stolen by a pimply-faced kid named Bill who went on to found a software company. So the memos could have looked like Microsoft........

You're good. Did you write the kos article in the last post item?

I remember watching Rather on the day of the Challenger explosion in 1986. I came home after school and watched the continuing coverage on CBS. Dan was announcing that NASA had postponed an earlier scheduled news conference by saying: "NASA, always a conservative organization ... in a good way ...". "Conservative in a good way" - that's when I realized how real media bias was. You could see on his face that, to him, calling someone conservative was a horrible insult.

But they aren't fogeries. That implies that there were originals.

They are FAKE.

It's just one of those things that bugs me...

BIG KERNING IS RIPPING US OFF!

Another SMACK DOWN by the president...
reporter: Can I ask another question?

Pres: "No you may not."

re: #77 Charles

It's completely, 100% impossible that this is a real document from the 1970s. There is no doubt about this.

But it is possible in the alternate universe in which Dan resides.

Rather is just trying to create buzz for his HDTV news thingy. He may be a loon but this thing will never go much farther than this. It would mean he and Mary Mapes would have to actually start producing factual, real evidence.

re: #39 storagemanager Darn it - I missed the darn press conference - did Bush say anything at all about DinnerJacket's plans to visit Ground Zero even if the NYPD refuse to provide security?

I think Dan needs to be tested for Narcissistic Personality Disorder. He seems to have many of the traits of a Malignant Narcissist

re: #56 Eowyn2

re: #41 M. Bensson-Levi

Dan Rather: Serial liar, NEVER a Marine, and a

BEDWETTER?

This article is not only plausible, but fits right into character and MO.

I'll have to ask my son if this is still true.

Be a damned shame if it wasn't.

I salute your son. May he be preserved from harm.

re: #85 realwest

re: #20 Peacekeeper Nice PK - give them some ideas - some help even.
Geebus, would y'all PULZEEZE get that second (or third) cup of coffee before you start posting stuff like that!

Realwest.
That's what I worry about, the NEXT forgery. WHy I'd bet that there are warehouses full of old, outdated military forms, just gathering dust on bases all over the world.

re: #88 Killgore Trout

Maybe he wants to be the new Paki Prez. Then Pelosi can visit him and call him a man of peace.

re: #92 MamaAJ

But they aren't fogeries. That implies that there were originals.

They are FAKE.

It's just one of those things that bugs me...

Excellent point!

re: #28 ellem

The superscript was a different font size. He would have had to type the memo, stop, change font ball, type just the superscript, stop, change back font balls, and then go on.

This from a man who couldn't type. And if he did type, he'd have to be using the top of the line word processing typewriter (that waits until you've typed your whole line, adjusts the spacing, and then types it), of which there is no record of the TANG having, instead of a regular ol' typewriter. The documents were dated on a Saturday, when his secretary was not in. The secretary is alive to say she doesn't remember typing anything like the memos.

What's more, if it could be done, even with the above convoluted process, don't you think some moonbat somewhere would have produced a reasonable copy? They haven't in three years.

And none of that answers that every last detail, from font, font size, proportional spacing between letters and between words, spacing between each line, the place in the sentence where it broke and started a new line, the location of the header, the space between the paragraphs, the space between the header and the body, and on and on and on all match up perfectly with the default settings on Word.

And I haven't covered half of the evidence against.

re: #46 Reluctant Democrat Not you too! Please see my #85!

As amusing as it is - the lawsuit really isn't about the memo. It's about Viacom/CBS breaking their contract with Rather. He was promised wages and airtime - he didn't get it - a contract is a contract.

I predict they will settle out of court for the balance due on his contract (about $20 MM), plus interest. Discovery will probably not get to the stage where we get to see the sideshow.

damn.

re: #82 uncle_monkey

I just realized that the reason we had one of these typewriters at home was my dad was a junior executive with IBM working in downtown Chicago.

Is it just me..... or does Rather look like shit!?

re: #92 MamaAJ

But they aren't fogeries. That implies that there were originals.

They are FAKE.

It's just one of those things that bugs me...

Good point.

"But you know what we mean." ;-)

Before Charles created the blinking memo I did a scan of some travel orders I still had on file in order to show an actual example of a typewritten document generated on a military typewriter.

My travel orders.

Rather is going the way of Cronkite in his old age, that is to say, 'losing it'.

Must've been something in the coffee at CBS.

re: #86 insanity police

They've also called for Re-Conquest of Spain

Has anyone investigated the possibility of whether Air National Guard bases were beta-testing pre-release versions of Microsoft Word in the early 70's?

I question the timing.

Well, this is going to be good for some laughs. Iowahawk run with this yet?

re: #82 uncle_monkey

When I first saw these documents, I almost bust a seam.

As an ancient graphic designer who used pretty much anything in the 70's and 80's to set type, I can say that an IBM selectric - about $3500 back then and I'd say FAR out of any military budget - you're completely right about getting another "ball".

Ahem.........
I was active duty '71-'74. My first encounters with Selectrics were there, and I loved them (when I had to type). This is the military budget we're talking about. I doubt that anyone bothered doing anything fancy with them, though. I sure never did.
/I will backdate and rate, for a large enough bribe

What's the frequency Kenneth? Things not proven but they work anyway: Gravity, Speed of light, Doppler theory, Relativity. Damn knotheads.

re: #77 Charles

I'd have to agree. I'm no expert by any stretch, but I work on documentation all day that pretty much exclusively uses either Arial 11 or Times New Roman 12 as standards. You can pick them out at 100 paces with absurd ease.

Aside from that, I use them in Word, which I use for hours at a time per day.

Charles has already done so superbly, but anyone with Microsoft Word - right out of the box, no less - could re-produce this document at whatever WPM the individual can type. Assume no more than 5 minutes.

The chance of this document being real is on par with the chances that I'm Henry the VIII and Charlemagne at the same time while being able to sing like Elvis and Louis Armstrong at the same time.

While I'm on fire.

And eating a grapefruit.

...during a spelling bee.

re: #112 RoughRider

Only Steve Jobs was experimenting with New Times Roman

re: #59 DesertSage

To believe that those documents are real would require the willing suspension of disbelief.

I've noticed that the people who do believe in the documents are also Troofers.

re: #84 DistantThunder

re: #72 American Soldier

But Not with Times New Roman

Nope. As I recall, you could have Pica or Elite, and that was pretty much the extent of the military range.

On Wiki there is a whole run down of the scandal, take it for what it is worth, complete with the Charles Johnson throbbing memo. It is under Killian documents.

Remember the university "study" that "recreated" the memos, except after one read the study more thoroughly, one realized that he used a computer to space the individual letters, words, and lines?

The Killian memo story is what got me hooked on LGF and the blogosphere. (though it took almost 2 more years to get registered).
It has a special place in my heart because it set me free from the MSM. It was a the defining moment for citizen reporting and the MSM.

I would love to see this go to court and have CBS lawyers have to prove it was a forgery and also see Mary Mapels have to testify.

President introduces Mike Leavitt, and tells Gregory and Martha to "behave yourselves." heh.

re: #111 Thanos

re: #86 insanity police

They've also called for Re-Conquest of Spain

They just can't get over the Muslim glory days.

You make a good point when you write:

Make no mistake in this - even though they state it’s a war on Musharraf, these “unholy warriors” will be killing hundreds to thousands of devout Muslims in their attacks; hundreds of Pakistani Army troops have died in the frontiers of Pakistan fighting their evil.

That is the biggest kicker with Al Queda- they kill so many Muslims, yet they get little condemnation in the Muslim world.

"The way we look at it"

read: "we're going to ignore the truth"

There are are an infinite number of lies, *prove* the document is real, don't presume it's societies task to disprove all the lies that people create...including Dan Rather's...There's a reason Dan Rather's reputation is shot to hell. Dan Rather did it to himself....

...go ahead, cry Dan...

...your documetns *have* been disproven, and you're a liar or a fool, either way, you aren't someone society looks to to learn the truth anymore...

You did this to yourself, take responsibility.

Bush just called the Democratic Party the "Democrat" party...sans the "ic".

He's gonna catch hell for that (although he's correct).

President attacks Democrats:

Says MoveOn ad attack on the military.

What we need is a new annual award called the "Dan Rater Award of Journalism" For those who would "Rather" report a Lie than tell the Truth.

Some categories:

Failure to verify documents...Dan Rather
Junk Science... Al Gore
Twisting of Social issues... Michael Moore
Battlefield Lies....Scott Thomas Beauchamp and the New Republic
Doctored Photos...Reuters
Political Agendas at the expense of the truth... The old Gray Lady

And I am sure the other Lizards have hundreds more..

re: #107 reloadingisnotahobby

He's 75 years old. You'd think with his millions, he'd just retire and do something enjoyable with his remaining years. Perhaps his age explains how he was so easily fooled by such amatuerish shenanigans. The whole bunch of them must be really, really dumb to have let that whole episode go down the way it did.

The Rather Piece Prize

re: #90 Eowyn2

re: #72 American Soldier

When I was active duty in '71, I knew a guy who had a brother serving in the Corps with a Gunny working under a butter-bar with a first cousin whose sister-in-law once dated a guy who draft-dodged by serving in a unit in Texas that was testing advanced small computers that could be used for text editing, with software that was stolen by a pimply-faced kid named Bill who went on to found a software company. So the memos could have looked like Microsoft........

You're good. Did you write the kos article in the last post item?

Shhhhhh..............

I have it on good authority that Dan's new show will also prove that:

1: Poland invaded Germany in 1939
2: The Reichstag was burned by Bolsheviks
3: Elvis is alive and working in a 7-11 in Sheboygan
4: Aliens from Roswell are kept in a secret hangar in Area 51
5: McDonald's hamburgers are made of earthworms
6: Joe Leiberman and Willie Tanner for ALF are actually the same guy

re: #126 DesertSage

Bush just called the Democratic Party the "Democrat" party...sans the "ic".

He's gonna catch hell for that (although he's correct).

Maybe we should start calling them the Ic Party

re: #130 Capt. Queeg

Inflated ego must be fed regardless of the age.

re: #109 The Other Les

Yah, but yours don't blink. What's with that? :o)

re: #105 ronaldusmagnus

i am sure that there is something in the contract about faking stuff.

And Pajamas Media is born.

Not so Dan Rather. Ambushed on the street Friday morning by a CNN camera crew, Rather insisted, "The story is true. The story is true." "The Internet," he said, "is filled with all kinds of rumors." That evening, Rather defended the 60 Minutes story during the Evening News. Appearing on the O'Reilly Factor shortly afterwards, a former CBS News executive, Jonathan Klein, dismissed the blogs. On the one side, he said, you have a professional news bureaucracy with "multiple layers of checks and balances." With blogs, you have "a guy sitting in his living room in his pajamas writing." Klein's "pajamas" taunt would be seized on throughout the blog world. It would also come to represent the high-water mark of the CBS defense.

re: #99 M. Bensson-Levi
Hi-
Did you perchance receive that last e-mail I sent you about a Hoosier Paratrooper?

re: #134 zmdavid

re: #126 DesertSage

Bush just called the Democratic Party the "Democrat" party...sans the "ic".

He's gonna catch hell for that (although he's correct).

Maybe we should start calling them the Ic Party

Or maybe the ICKY party.

Rather's beagle:

"The way we look at it, it's more than likely the documents are authentic."

Well yes, they are. They are the original fake documents which makes them authentic. We don't claim forgery - a forgery presumes an original document being falsely copied. They are not "forged" documents - they are "faked" documents.

Words mean things and this guy knows it.

re: #128 VMI84

For those who would "Rather" report a Lie than tell the Truth.

News Awards Banquet: June 12, 2018.

"And the envelope says....a 538-way tie for first place. Again. (sigh) This makes 10 years in a row. Will everyone please come up and accept their award?"

re: #136 Cap'n DOC

re: #109 The Other Les

Yah, but yours don't blink. What's with that? :o)

I couldn't copy it in WordPerfect.

CNN reporter: Kids are getting caught in the crosshairs."

I kid you not! LOL

re: #105 ronaldusmagnus

Actually, I suggest that the memos are part - because it was the bogus documents that led to the alleged breach. Further, the breach of the contract - and I haven't seen a copy of the contract to know - as alleged in the complaint states that he wasn't given sufficient airtime.

How the heck do you define sufficient airtime? Now, define sufficient airtime for someone who proffered bogus documents in a story that would affect the US Presidential elections? Anything more than no airtime is more than sufficient. It's actually overly generous that he still had a job.

OT

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

Title of Story:

Iran Promises "Final Response" to US and Israel on October 12

Quote from story:

Iranian Embassy: US Carried Out the Worst Holocaust
Responding to US President George W. Bush's recent statement that a nuclear Iran would place the region under threat of nuclear holocaust, Iran's embassy in Mexico released the following statement Tuesday: "The term used by President George W. Bush should be referred to what the US carried out in Hiroshima and Nagasaki during the World War II when it destroyed the two Japanese cities with atomic bombs." It added that Bush “implicitly admitted that what Washington had done in Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a crime worse than Hitler's crimes."

He's going to use the $70M to construct a time machine and go back to the 70s, write the memos on a typewriter from that era, then come back to 2003 and attempt to influence the election.

/deja vu

re: #141 ronaldusmagnus

Rather's beagle:

"The way we look at it, it's more than likely the documents are authentic."

Well yes, they are. They are the original fake documents which makes them authentic. We don't claim forgery - a forgery presumes an original document being falsely copied. They are not "forged" documents - they are "faked" documents.

Words mean things and this guy knows it.

Only God could make a document that was fake but accurate.

Which makes the Killian Memos the Immaculate Deception.

Next up: Rather sells oceanfront property in Nebraska.

Since anyone with a copy of Microsoft Word on a Windows PC (95% of the computers in the world) can start typing and prove the documents are fake for themselves (just as I did), I vote for number 1.

Surely his lawyer, if not also Rather himself has tried this experiment. Rather may indeed be so deranged he can dismiss the result, but I doubt his lawyer can. However, the lawyer will be paid for his services in any event, so perhaps he doesn't care. (Dan's money is just as green as anyone else's, one just have to wash the moonbat guano off)

Rather has already gone down in flames, if he now chooses to pour gasoline on the bonfire that once was his carrier, I say go for it.

Get the marshmallows and hot dogs ready, this is gonna be hilarious.

There will be surprises at the trial, like this document signed by Thomas Jefferson testifying in Rather's behalf.

More bad news for The Pantsuit.

Hsu Will Be Charged With Operating Pyramid Scheme

Maybe some day a reported will actually question Her Thighness about this scandal.

re: #122 MadJadBad

I concur. I had to be satisfied with lurking until earlier this year. It was maddening not being able to comment, but I sure learned a lot. And no, I don't get 'news' from MSM, primarily because I only get two of the alphabet networks on my TV equipped with rabbit ears. I've already got indoor plumbing which eliminates waste, I don't need it piped in.

As I recall, the grand revelation of the "Killian memos" was perfectly aligned with the "Fortunate Son" phase of the Kerry campaign.

Kerry quickly dropped the FS tactic when the questions of forgery started heating up, but I always suspected a liason and coordination of effort between Kerry's camp and CBS.

It was just a little too coordinated to be coincidence. I think the FS + the memos was supposed to be the death blow to Bush's reelection. But the whole thing backfired. (thanks to Charles and others!)

This suit is purely to buff Rather's image and ego, not to pad his pockets.
He's not going to win and he probably knows it, he's just trying to push CBS into a settlement.

He's hoping that CBS isn't going to want to air its dirty laundry, and that they'll give him a weak settlement (for symbolism, not dollars).

But on top of this Rather is a total ingrate. CBS bent over backwards to protect him, and now he's suing them? If the CBS executives had any spine, they'd have canned him immediately (or at least suspended him), rather than let him blather on for six more months.

Actually, there's a third option, and its brilliant.

Rather knows that CBS won't want to get into a situation where they have to give up evidence of their insider's thoughts and memos and will quickly make a big out of court settlement.

re: #151 itellu3times

I'll admit it, I laughed rather hard at this.

Took "Rather" long (har!) to get this to court, didn't it? Was his defense team busy typing up gathering the evidence?

re: #103 Silhouette

sil -

Thanks for the memories. The Rather thing is where I discovered LGF.

-S-

I've been studying for the LSAT test coming up on September 29th and this argument is classic "burden of proof" fallacy. Basically, the fallacy says that an argument is true because nobody proved it otherwise. I expected more from Rather's lawyers.

Dan Rather is the great great great great great grandson of a slave and deserves reparations.

Prove me wrong.

re: #108 Silhouette

I know...but when we're really right, I want us to be really, really right!

re: #152 JammieWearingFool

More bad news for The Pantsuit.

Hsu Will Be Charged With Operating Pyramid Scheme

Maybe some day a reported will actually question Her Thighness about this scandal.

The entire Democratic Party is a pyramid scheme so what's the big surprise here?

/not so Sarc

O/T

Rage Level Though the Roof
The source says regardless of the NYPD's rejection of the request for a Ground Zero tour, Iran's president and his entourage will be accompanied by a Secret Service protective detail, a detail provided to all heads of state when they visit the United States.

Again, Rather shows his lack of journalistic credibility. Several points:

1. The burden of proof was not on others to prove the emo's as forgeries, the burden was on him to prove them authentic before reporting them as fact.

2. Not only did Rather not do this, he had hired experts telling him that there were major problems with these documents, or refusing to offer any opinion whatsoever. For anybody with a functioning brain, and not operating out of ideoligical motivations, that would have been enough to back off the story.

3. But no, Rather had to go forward cause he wanted them to be true.

4. He got shown for the biased fool that is.

5. Got put out to pasture for screwing this up.

6. And so continues in his delusion by trying to blame his employer for his own incompetance.

7. It will be fun watching the left turn on itself now. Look for all kinds of inside stories about "Rather the screw up" to come out now.

I hope he gets his butt handed to him in court. My guess is he is sniffing around for a stettlement

re: #73 lawhawk

You're correct about the procedural options, but I don't think Rather will go away quietly. This is about his REPUTATION, dammit! To an old man, that's the most important thing of all.

CBS blundered by not sacking him for cause on the spot. Instead, they tried to give him a fig leaf by letting him hang around for a decent interval while things cooled off. Then they permitted him to "voluntarily" retire.

They miscalculated about Rather, and now must regret their "decency". Their dirty laundry in covering for Rather is about to be laundered very publicly.

Extra butter on my popcorn, please!

re: #159 Indefatigable

Make sure you take lots of practice tests. Good luck.

Jena 6 Demonstration why are't these people working to pay their mortgages?

re: #160 DistantThunder

I have a memo that counters that claim. It was typed in 1125.

Just as a logical exercise, I think the crucial element is what Charles said about, that the spacing of Times New Roman in Microsoft Word has a particular fingerprint that would differentiate it from any strange and rare proportional-spaced IBM Executive that happens to show up.

But EVEN IF IT DIDN'T, the fact that millions of PCs make great forgery machines, would make it equally impossible to prove that these documents were created on this rare and so far unseen ancient typewriter.

re: #7 eri

c) as well.

OT:

Ahmadinejad plans to visit Ground Zero despite NYPD rejection.

Let's see the Soviet flag waving types gather together and block him! Oh wait...

Erm, don't the NYPD have jurisdiction?

Now that Dan has hooked up with the Dallas Mavericks owner I would expect a continual sting of these kinds of nonsensical acts. That is what fans or should I say EX FANS of the Dallas Mavericks have come to expect from.

re: #109 The Other Les

You might want to think about redacting some of that...
just sayin

Bad news, hysteria, and some common sense:

Fears of dollar collapse as Saudis take fright

Saudi Arabia has refused to cut interest rates in lockstep with the US Federal Reserve for the first time, signalling that the oil-rich Gulf kingdom is preparing to break the dollar currency peg in a move that risks setting off a stampede out of the dollar across the Middle East.

China threatens 'nuclear option' of dollar sales

The Chinese government has begun a concerted campaign of economic threats against the United States, hinting that it may liquidate its vast holding of US treasuries if Washington imposes trade sanctions to force a yuan revaluation.

Dollar to collapse?

Disregard all hysteria. The ailing Greenback will not collapse this year, not in ten years, not in twenty years, not in half a century. There is no credible currency against which it can collapse. (Unless you count gold). None of the world's rival power blocs have the economic and demographic depth to challenge American dominance.

Is it time now for the awesome dreaded power of the Iranian Oil Bourse to take over the world?

Chants of:

Black Power, Black Power

The MSM is giddy with delight.

"This is just the beginning." "over the next few months, few years, decades." - CNN reporter

They've shut down the town to commerce.

/was any of this foretold by Nostradamus?

My greatest hope is that this will go to trial and there will be great discovery. I want this man embarrassed. But, being shameless might make that impossible....

Addition:

To those who may not know, "burden of proof" means that the responsibility of proving the argument is now on the other person instead of the one making the argument.

As pointed out earlier today at the NRO Corner, this lawsuit puts CBS in the position of having to defend itself by showing that the documents it used -- and which it insisted were genuine -- really were faked.

"Heh" doesn't begin to express the level of my amusement...

CNN Reporterette to colleague:

"This is real journalism. This is what you and I went to journalism school
for."

Disgusting

re: #172 Killer Tomato

re: #109 The Other Les

You might want to think about redacting some of that...
just sayin

I did redact the SSN/Service Number.

re: #121 Silhouette

Remember the university "study" that "recreated" the memos, except after one read the study more thoroughly, one realized that he used a computer to space the individual letters, words, and lines?

Wasn't that the one where the "th" was shown to be cut and pasted in PDF? I howled when I saw that.

re: #163 insanity police

Re: Ahmadinejad's proposed threatened visit to Ground Zero

Is it possible a large number of concerned citizens could form a blockade around the site to prevent the little thug from desecrating it with his evil presence? Is anybody organizing such an event? Is this a job for Gathering of Eagles?

re: #84 DistantThunder

re: #72 American Soldier

But Not with Times New Roman

It was pica

Next thing Billy Bob Burkett will be found mysteriously sleeping wid da fishes just like Vince Foster.

/naaah

re: #172 Killer Tomato

I agree. I do note the lack of SSN, but still and all...

re: #109 The Other Les

re: #100 Peacekeeper LOL! "WHy I'd bet that there are warehouses full of old, outdated blank military forms, just gathering dust on bases all over the world. There, fixed that for ya!

Bah, I say!

I choose to disregard ANY subsequent statements and events, and continue to acknowledge this creature's indisputable claim to the throne!

Long Live Queen Alareol the Wise, Protector of the Rainbow-Flame!

Long Live the Queen of the Space Unicorns!

NNNNNYAAAAAAR!

Where's the typewriter, Kenneth?

re: #181 The Other Les

Maybe I'm just paranoid.

re: #107 reloadingisnotahobby It's you - hell the guy's getting older, his appearance would have to have changed some by now! LOL!

re: #92 MamaAJ

But they aren't fogeries. That implies that there were originals.

They are FAKE.

It's just one of those things that bugs me...

Semantically, wouldnt they be forgeries if they forged someone's name?

re: #191 Killer Tomato

re: #181 The Other Les

Maybe I'm just paranoid.

The Soviet Union is dead (though not buried) and the Global Jihad doesn't give a rip.

re: #184 Kenneth

re: #163 insanity police

Re: Ahmadinejad's proposed threatened visit to Ground Zero

Is it possible a large number of concerned citizens could form a blockade around the site to prevent the little thug from desecrating it with his evil presence? Is anybody organizing such an event? Is this a job for Gathering of Eagles?

We're working on it. Monitoring closely for developments. There will be protests, bank on it. I'll be there for whatever comes. Uptown and downtown.

re: #173 Kenneth

More to the point, China is about to engage in price controls to curb inflation, which means that inflation and shortages are about to turn the Chinese economy into a mess. Heh.

re: #195 NoSubmission

See latest thread. Secret Service will protect the scum.

re: #196 lawhawk

Despite all of the talk about market economies and trying to avoid the mistakes of the USSR that contributed to its economic implosion, the basic fault remains - when governments believe and try to define markets and market activity to fit what they want to happen, economies turn into complete messes.

re: #167 DistantThunder

Jena 6 Demonstration why are't these people working to pay their mortgages?

A lot of those demonstrators are from predominately black colleges that are being bussed in. Here in Atlanta the caravan from Clarke, Morehouse and Spellman college took off last night and this morning. This could get ugly if the usual race warlords whip them up into a frenzy.

Just coming in and I haven't read all the comments yet.
I am just flabbergasted. From the story:

Gold, Rather's lawyer, maintained that "nobody's proved the documents were forgeries. The way we look at it, it's more than likely the documents are authentic."

You report things that you have verified as true. You do NOT report things that come to your attention and then dare anyone to "prove" that the information is false! This is just backwards. In this case, however, it is also untrue that the documents were not proven to be false - they WERE INDEED proven to be false when our fearless leader proved that the technology that produced the documents did not exist at the time they were supposedly typed.

re: #127 DistantThunder I coulnd't see the press conference - did Bush connect the Dem's with that MoveOn advertisement?

Y'know, nobody has ever actually proved that the Star Trek "historical documents" aren't authentic either. Just sayin'.

(Ra^thergate was when I became a regular LGF reader, though I'd visited it intermittently before, and it was quite some time later before I caught an open registration.)

re: #197 newsjunkie_ky

re: #195 NoSubmission

See latest thread. Secret Service will protect the scum.

Write / Call the WH to complain.

re: #7 eri

OT: Ahmadinejad plans to visit Ground Zero despite NYPD rejection.

Does that mean that he won't have any NYPD protection?

Just askin'...

#166 insanity police

Thanks.

Then there is the substance of the memo.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN OETR. ANY MILITARY PERSON KNOWS THIS.

I think we're missing the big story here. This is clearly a case of The Borg travelling back in time in another attempt to alter history.

They will fail.

My favorite line from the WaPo story:

The debacle over the National Guard story, which the suit says became known as "Rathergate," turned on 30-year-old memos said to have been written by Bush's late squadron commander. Several newspapers, including The Washington Post, and conservative bloggers gathered evidence that the documents were unlikely to have been typed on government typewriters of that era.

Really? So "conservative bloggers" helped a teeny little bit?

'Sfunny, but my memory is that the Post (along with many other MSM sources) spent approximately the first two weeks not talking about the pathetically incompetent obviousness of the forgeries, and instead spinning this as a "he said, she said" controversy.

Charles and LGF still has not been mentioned or credited by any MSM outlet including conservative Talk Radio hosts for Rathergate! I have heard not one.

C&F today

re: #173 Kenneth What would happen if China demanded payment of it's US Treasury Notes and the US said "NO".?

re: #193 Eowyn2

Ah, the ol' "forged signature on the faked document" trick!

Yes, I see your point. I still lean toward "fake" though, because it emphasizes that these documents were newly created...

"Fake but accurate! Fake but accurate! Fake but accurate! Fake but accurate! Fake but accurate! Fake but accurate! Fake but accurate! Fake but accurate! ....!"

And anyway "Who're you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?"

Groucho Marx (someone I'd take rather more seriously).

The craziest thing to me is that Rather accuses CBS of covering up in order to help the Bush administration. On what planet is CBS a neocon tool of the evil Bushitlerhaliburton right wing noise machine (or whatever they're calling it this week)? He worked there for 50 years and he even thinks that's possible?

re: #195 NoSubmission Hey No Sub - you take care of yourself, hear? If that murderous thug tried to go to Ground Zero without State Department approval (which they say they've never given him) and without NYPD approval, then if he shows up there, I think he's lost his "Immunity" ya know what I mean?
BTW, iirc, there is a VERY LARGE contingency of Iranians in Exile living and working in NYC.
Y'all be careful out there.

As someone pointed out during Rathergate, the truly sorry part is that the phoniness of the memos should've been immediately obvious to anyone who'd ever worked on a high-school yearbook or college newspaper prior to the Desktop Publishing era -- and presumably an organization like CBS News would be crawling with former journalism students!

Assuming Rather doesn't get laughed out of court (and I think he might), this case is gonna make Rather and SeeBS look even worse than they did already.

I'm ready with the popcorn.

You'd think that somebody as wealthy as Rather could afford some Aricept.

re: #121 Silhouette

Remember the university "study" that "recreated" the memos, except after one read the study more thoroughly, one realized that he used a computer to space the individual letters, words, and lines?

Well, since that's how the original faked memos were created, on a computer...

re: #208 Throbert McGee

What I found more pointed in the quote you provided was this -

documents were unlikely to have been typed on government typewriters of that era.

Unlikely? It was proven conclusively by the special investigation conducted by CBS management - (for all of those so blind as to not acknowledge the clear evidence provided by Charles) - Appendix 4

Tytell concluded, for the reasons described below, that (i) the relevant portion of the Superscript Exemplar was produced on an Olympia manual typewriter, (ii) the Killian documents were not produced on an Olympia manual typewriter, and (iii) the Killian documents were produced on a computer in Times New Roman typestyle . Tytell acknowledged that deterioration in the Killian documents from the copying and downloading process made the comparison of typestyles “to some extent a subjective call.” However, he believed the differences were sufficiently significant to conclude that the Killian documents were not produced on a typewriter in the early 1970s and therefore were not authentic...

Dan can't separate his ego from his common sense and will continue to flail at this dead horse in an effort to expand on false, but accurate as a journalistic virtue.

Nobody's proved that Rather's not a farking robot either, but we still treat him like one of us.

So they think the documents are authentic and anyway, Dan was just a harmless narrator, just doing his job, following orders...

re: #221 29Victor

Nobody's proved that Rather's not a farking robot either, but we still treat him like one of us.

True, but pursuing this will prove Rather is a complete ass.

re: #200 reine.de.tout

You do NOT report things that come to your attention and then dare anyone to "prove" that the information is false! This is just backwards.

You are absolutely correct. Unfortunately, more media than you would want to believe operate just as Rather does. I've had reporters admit to me privately that their editors told them exactly what to say in an article before they ever set out to investigate and write their story to begin with.

Rather and his staff wrote this story in their head first, then did the after the fact "investigation" to get some support for the predetermined conclusion.

rather is both disconnected from reality and a liar.

The point that both rather and his lawyer seem to ignore is that an analysis of the paper on which the documents were typed will provide additional proof they are forgeries.

"And for Dan Rather to continue insisting they are genuine shows either: 1) a disconnection from reality that borders on the psychotic, or 2) a blatant liar willing to go down in flames rather than admit the truth."

Both....

It should be an interesting court case;
Dan will attempt to prove that the documents are authentic
CBS will attempt to prove they are fake.

I think that a number of people; including Charles, can expect sopena's from CBS to appear as witnessess for the defense.

What's that they say about a big lie being easier to sell than a small lie?

re: #216 Throbert McGee

that the phoniness of the memos should've been immediately obvious to anyone who'd ever worked on a high-school yearbook or college newspaper prior to the Desktop Publishing era

Yeh, the bar for being an expert who can find problems with the docs is kinda low. For me, it was working at a Help Desk supporting WordPerfect 5.1 back in the day. Ah, the troubles we had when we got the first LaserJet 4 with a slightly different Courier 10 than on the LJ3s...

a blatant liar willing to go down in flames rather than admit the truth.

There you go.

It doesn't matter how easily these documents were disproved, he'll pander to the slightest chance rabid Bush haters will convince themselves otherwise. (Bush bad = documents real, Bush bad = Stalin a hero, Bush bad = Dinnerjacket a saint, Bush bad = daytime is nighttime.) It goes hand in hand with BDS.

It isn't enough to dislike the president, they have to alter history and reality to make him look even worse. They can't accept that people will judge Bush based on what he does or doesn't do, they have to up the ante to remove all doubt.

In my mind, Bush needs no help looking bad. I can't stand him. Regardless, the Killian memo is pure fiction.

It will be interesting to see this $70 million lawsuit unfold. Let me guess, they'll get OJ and Dinnerjacket to testify as expert witnesses the documents are real? Somewhere, someplace they're going to dredge up an expert that will say so. (I can just see the Troofers banging around in their cages like monkeys.)

re: #1 Iron Fist

I'll go with #2.

I'm with IF on this one...

Okay, I am usually with IF, and this is no exception. :P

re: #68 ronaldusmagnus

Charles Johnson a.k.a. nobody

Once again- they'd ra^ther die than say littlegreenfootballs.

/Or Charles Johnson

If we are dealing with currency such as a $100 bill, one does not have to find the printer, press and ink to confirm a forgery. One has to only confirm the bill is not legit.

Dan-o you should give it up - you are turning into a cartoon.

What's the frequency ?

Is this the freak we see?

Limbaugh going off about this now.

re: #28 ellem

I thought I remembered reading that an IBM Selectic (or something) could have produced Superscript but that it was highly unlikely that the USMil would have had one.

There are a ton of documents on record from the same office, same person, same time. They all look alike. They all have the same typeface, and the same kerning, the same 'typewriter' look to them.

These forgeries do not look like any other document that we can confirm came from that office. The person who typed all of the documents from that office has said that these are not from the person who was supposed to have written them.

There is NO confirmed source for the documents. None whatsoever.

I, for one, hope that CBS nails these facts to a wall, and get the court to certify that these documents were forgeries. I hope they are able to find proof that Rather, or Maples knew they were suspect and went with them anyway.

That lawyer has a thin case and chances making CBS admit that the docs were forgeries. And then there is Lucy Ramirez. Now that she has been found, she might say anything on the stand.
[Link: www.stickergiant.com...]

rather himself stated on national TV that he resigned. he didn't say, "c bs fired me, or c bs has terminated my contract." How does he get past this minor point? Even if c bs did fire him, his own statement will come back to haunt him.

re: #46 Reluctant Democrat

Yep Yep Yep

Something tells me that he will have to stop eating gamy buttocks, and breathing nitrogen in his underground lair.

re: #237 LoneSome Journey

Even if c bs did fire him, his own statement will come back to haunt him.

There are volumes of his own statements that will haunt him in this matter. (He just saw the score Imus made and figured he could get some easy cash and hit SeeBS at the same time. Times must be tough on HDNet.)

re: #52 Alouette

re: #28 ellem

I thought I remembered reading that an IBM Selectic (or something) could have produced Superscript but that it was highly unlikely that the USMil would have had one.

Powerlineblog had a very detailed analysis of 1970's typewriters and what they could and could not do. I used to own a Selectric which had interchangeable font balls that could do italic if you swapped the ball. You achieved superscript by manually positioning the roll bar a half-line above the current line. Selectric also had an assortment of fonts: Courier, Elite and Pica, all of which were non-proportional spaced fonts, not Times New Roman.

One thing a Selectric most definitely COULD NOT DO was replicate the exact kerning of Times New Roman proportional font used decades later by Microsoft.

I went into the military shortly after the date on that memo. I used a Selectric typewriter rather (heh) extensively during the late '70s.

Anybody out there remember Pica and Elite? A Pica Courier ball was the required standard for military memos and reports. The closest thing you'll see to that in Microsoft Word is 12-pt. Courier.

Just be sure you turn off the proportional spacing, like Dan (Courage) Rather's friend should have remembered. :)

Remember the clown of a judge; who brought his dry cleaners to trial; because the store "lost his pair of pants?" He thought they advertised "customer satisfaction guaranteed."

The jurors tossed the case out of the court room.

SO there's hope, now that Dan rather approaches, to play the clown.

Too bad C-BS is so poorly run; they don't see the ratings bonanza they'd get, if they devoted a weekly show to showing "Dan Rather" in all his glory; from outtakes. To nasty words about Connie Chung. IF THEY HAD BRAINS, they'd hire Baghdad Bob to just spout Dan's "take" on all these shinanigans. And, it would be a TV blockbuster!

Gee, I miss Baghdad Bob.

Danny Boy

Oh Danny boy, the loony bin is calling;
You've dug your grave, yet still you dig some more.
Your mind is gone, and all the folks are laughing;
To Bedlam you must go forevermore.

But still you claim the memos are legitimate,
And now your fame, to infamy has changed.
Or did you say they're counterfeit but accurate?

Oh Danny boy, oh Danny boy, you are deranged.
And when you claim, though all the folks are laughing,
That you were wrongly scuttled from your throne,
You just compound the level of your gaffing,
And strike us harder in the funny bone.

And when in court, you testify so righteously
That CBS did treat you so unfair,
The throbbing proof will ruin you, litigiously,
And then, of flying countersuits you'd best beware.

Oh yes, of flying countersuits you'd best beware!

Have we got a deal for you! Genuine pieces of the True Cross!

But don't order yet. We also include a certificate of authenticity signed by the hand of Abraham himself.

After all, no one has ever prove the cross WASN'T made of Douglas Fir. (As further evidence of authenticity, please note that Douglas Firs are not true firs.)

re: #208 Throbert McGee

My favorite line from the WaPo story:

The debacle over the National Guard story, which the suit says became known as "Rathergate," turned on 30-year-old memos said to have been written by Bush's late squadron commander. Several newspapers, including The Washington Post, and conservative bloggers gathered evidence that the documents were unlikely to have been typed on government typewriters of that era.

Really? So "conservative bloggers" helped a teeny little bit?

'Sfunny, but my memory is that the Post (along with many other MSM sources) spent approximately the first two weeks not talking about the pathetically incompetent obviousness of the forgeries, and instead spinning this as a "he said, she said" controversy.

That's right. The Washington Post and Howard Kurtz have relegated "bloggers" to a side role, and are now busily claiming the credit for themselves--when they did their best to ignore it at the time.

Kurtz knows my name. I talked to him about this. I've appeared on his television show. But he clearly doesn't want to give any credit to me or LGF.

re: #242 Winslow Leach, the composer

IMO, Charles should commit this to memory and bring along his guitar when he heads to the east coast for the trial.
/your song might even make it to U-tube !

//please, Charles .... just . do . it .

The CBS review panel led by Dick Thornburgh and Louis Boccardi hired Peter Tytell, a leading document examiner, to analyse the four documents:

concluded ... that (i) the relevant portion of the Superscript Exemplar was produced on an Olympia manual typewriter, (ii) the Killian documents were not produced on an Olympia manual typewriter and (iii) the Killian documents were produced on a computer in Times New Roman typestyle [and that] the Killian documents were not produced on a typewriter in the early 1970s and therefore were not authentic.
-- Thornburg-Boccardi Report, Appendix 4

not authentic = forgery

Speaking as a former typesetter whose father was an army officer:

1. The only Selectrics that set proportional type were very complex to use. They required each document to be typed twice, and you had to record the settings after each line on the first pass to make them come out correct on the second pass. No one would ever use this as a way of writing a quick CYA memo to file.

2. No Army officer of that time period would ever touch a typewriter. That was a secretary's responsibility. Any officer caught typing would be deemed unfit to command, since they had obviously failed to delegate properly.

& OJ swears up and down he didn't kill his wife.

Good God. He's at it again.

Dan Rather Makes Questionable Case Against Science Behind Boeing Dreamliner

By taking a cheap shot at Boeing, Dan Rather may be headed for a comeback less graceful than Britney Spears' performance at the MTV Music Awards.

Kurtz pissed me off. He tries to be balanced, but at the end of the day he's just another in the tank democrat.

re: #244 Charles

re: #208 Throbert McGee

My favorite line from the WaPo story:

The debacle over the National Guard story, which the suit says became known as "Rathergate," turned on 30-year-old memos said to have been written by Bush's late squadron commander. Several newspapers, including The Washington Post, and conservative bloggers gathered evidence that the documents were unlikely to have been typed on government typewriters of that era.

Really? So "conservative bloggers" helped a teeny little bit?'Sfunny, but my memory is that the Post (along with many other MSM sources) spent approximately the first two weeks not talking about the pathetically incompetent obviousness of the forgeries, and instead spinning this as a "he said, she said" controversy.

That's right. The Washington Post and Howard Kurtz have relegated "bloggers" to a side role, and are now busily claiming the credit for themselves--when they did their best to ignore it at the time.

Kurtz knows my name. I talked to him about this. I've appeared on his television show. But he clearly doesn't want to give any credit to me or LGF.

SOP - Revise history to suit their agenda.

The lesson that Kurtz forgets is that on the internet - the memory hole is never completely closed.

I can picture the sceen... Charles, on the witness stand, fires up his laptop connected to an overhead projector and hands it to the Judge.

Your Honor, please open Microsoft word and type along with me while I read the Killian memos. I encourage anyone else in the courtroom with a Windows computer and Microsoft Word to do the same.

Everyone ready? Now don't worry about changing any settings, don't type any carrage returns, or worry about spacing, just type what I read...

Looks like our esteemed Charles can expect a subpoena to testify as a witness in, what is surely to be, a great trial (unless they settle, of course).

Kurtz on Rather: the dishonest reporting on the dishonest.

re: #253 kyle_st

More likely it's tossed as it's without merit.

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Looks like our esteemed Charles can expect a subpoena to testify as a witness

ONLY if he is called by the defense. dannyboy wants no more to do with Charles.

dannyboy spent 50 years spewing out biased reports and other lies. But his legacy will be Rathergate and bringing down c bs.

We have all spent a lot of time talking about the fallacies in rather's suit. But we are all overlooking the one very real possibility that this suit may bring to light, not only the anti-Right, Republican, Conservative and Christian bias of c bs, but the rest of the msm as well. It may open the eyes of some who have for years claimed that c bs and the msm are honest and balanced in their news coverage.

We can only pray that there is sufficient effort made to dig the truth out of all involved.

Chip Designer:

I was about the write the same thing. I used one of those monsters for several years in the early 1970s. The blank typing was really difficult and setting the machine to stop to change the font for the tm was not fun, either. You had to stop the machine, click the carriage down, change fonts (and move the font size lever), hit type, stop, click the carriage back up, change fonts, move the font size lever back, hit play again.

No one would have bothered to use that to produce a simple memo. At least, if that were the case, I'd like to hear the explanation, since it was several times slower than a regular typewriter and required a level of skill unusual in a typical office.

I don't know if that exact font were available, eiither.

I still want to see the genesis of back-story behind the documents. I am sure drafts went back and forth inside CBS and someone with an intimate knowledge of Texas and Federal forgery law was involved. Remember, they were "personal" copies of official documents, etc.

I don't see the "artist" who made the forgeries coming up with a story that just happens to skirt the edges of the forgery statutes.

I say C) all of the above.

Courage Dan.....courage..

"Won't this put CBS in the position of proving that the documents in question are in fact bogus? If that is true, the irony is a beautiful thing to behold." --

The phony documents are genuinely phony, and so is Dan Rather.

#179 Lee...........

As pointed out earlier today at the NRO Corner, this lawsuit puts CBS in the position of having to defend itself by showing that the documents it used -- and which it insisted were genuine -- really were faked.

"Heh" doesn't begin to express the level of my amusement......

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Popcorn indeed.........this one calls for a cooler full of ice and beer.

So instead of Fake but acurate, its now FLAKE but acurate?

It's funny that the people that typed these memos used a format for letters that the Air Force didn't start using for another 20 years.