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Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 9:31:45 am PDT

Students at Columbia University are really looking forward to hearing the great leader speak, and they’re seething at the school’s administration for not giving them more notice: Statement from Student Leaders Regarding the Invitation of the President of Iran.

As is surely common knowledge to everyone by now, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the president of the Islamic Republic of Iran, will be speaking on campus this Monday, September 24 th 2007. We believe that this presents an incredible opportunity for the student body to learn about world affairs and to challenge a major controversial figure. In a university setting, no view is too disreputable to be excluded - the goal of a university is to hear and present a wide array of opinions so that they may be challenged and debated in the spirit of free speech and the pursuit of knowledge.

We are disturbed, however, by the extremely short notice given for this event. It should be obvious to anyone that this is an event that will generate a strong reaction from the student body. How can we adequately prepare ourselves in four days for the insightful and productive debate that this event should elicit on campus? How can students who wish to protest successfully organize and plan in four days when demonstrations on campus require a minimum of seven days advance notice for security review? How can students who actually care and want to learn and attend the event if registration is closed before the event is even officially announced?

We understand the University’s hesitation to announce earlier, since President Ahmadinejad had not accepted the invitation until Wednesday. But, in an event as controversial as this, the needs of the students should take precedence. The student body should have been informed as soon as the invitation had been extended. Even if the invitation had been declined, students would have begun the debate that the event was originally meant to inspire. To keep information like this from the students actively stifles debate.

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1 Pro-Bush Canuck  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:32:20am

Evil is as evil does.

2 me  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:33:10am

Leftists, seething?

That's a new one!

3 Egfrow  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:33:24am
4 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:33:38am
In a university setting, no view is too disreputable to be excluded

Unless it's a right-winger.

5 storagemanager  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:34:04am

A speech about the Mahdi...and the glory of Islam.

6 Pro-Bush Canuck  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:34:24am
In a university setting, no view is too disreputable to be excluded

Well, aside from the view that America is a great country which is worth protecting from savages. Otherwise, go for it!

7 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:34:51am
the goal of a university is to hear and present a wide array of opinions so that they may be challenged and debated in the spirit of free speech and the pursuit of knowledge.

Like throwing pie at Ann Coulter.

8 Rednek  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:35:04am

Somewhat OT

Take this Civics quiz and compare yourself to college students from around the country.

I scored 90% and felt ashamed of myself until I saw what they were getting at America's best schools.

9 Rednek  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:35:33am
10 pingjockey  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:35:53am

The once proud Ivy League, reduced to hosting tinpot dictators and mass murderers. Last refuge of idiotarians, communists, marxists, and America haters. Higher learning my ass.

11 chinesearithmetic  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:35:54am

In a university setting, no view is too disreputable to be excluded

Like real life, only worse

12 Pro-Bush Canuck  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:36:16am

re: #4 Sharmuta

In a university setting, no view is too disreputable to be excluded

Unless it's a right-winger.

The truly ironic thing is that in may respects Dinnerjacket represents the extreme right...

Of course at a certain point extreme left and right just meld together into sheer evil, so it all sounds good to Columbia students.

13 Clemente  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:36:26am

The dinnerjacket should feel right at home. Four days ought to be plenty for these asshats to skim through the Cliff notes for Mein Kampf and the Protocols.

14 insanity police  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:36:43am

Chris Kulawk, President of The College Republicans

WTF is he thinking?

15 ronaldusmagnus  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:37:36am

If it were moonbats protesting a conservative, they wouldn't give a hoot about 7-day advance notice of demonstration plans for security review.

Come on - grow a set and protest till your lungs give out.

16 insanity police  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:38:23am

re: #14 insanity police

Chris Kulawk, President of The College Republicans

WTF is he thinking?

This will bite him in the a** one day.

17 pat  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:38:47am

The Regents must be proud. I hope that 10 or so girls with big boobs and very small bikinis come in robes and flash him in front of the cameras. He will then be jailed when he returns to his Islamic hellhole.

18 Russkilitlover  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:38:50am

"We believe that this presents an incredible opportunity for the student body to learn about world affairs and to challenge a major controversial figure. In a university setting, no view is too disreputable to be excluded - the goal of a university is to hear and present a wide array of opinions so that they may be challenged and debated in the spirit of free speech and the pursuit of knowledge."

Awww! That's so darned cute! They think they can challenge a controversial figure. They think they will "hear and present" reasoned and thoughtful opinions, all in the spirit of academic discourse.

Actually, this would be cute if they were Kindergarteners. It's frightening that they are young adults in college who eagerly await a cozy chat with a Islamofascist madman. Like lambs to slaughter.

20 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:39:21am
In a university setting, no view is too disreputable to be excluded

/stunned silence

21 thabo  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:39:35am

you can bet that the talk will not be open to everyone.

22 Tait_Ransom  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:39:48am
the goal of a university is to hear and present a wide array of opinions so that they may be challenged and debated in the spirit of free speech and the pursuit of knowledge.

Unles the opinion is from someone who believes in controlling the borders. I think the Minutemen would take issue with Columbia's self-proclaimed status as a place where ideas are debated. A place where conservative speakers are shouted down and run off the stage, maybe.

23 insanity police  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:40:47am

Other signatories to the letter:

Josh Lipsky, President of Dems

Jon Siegel, Chair of SGB

Josh Rosner, President of Hillel (Way too typical for Hillel, the paper tiger Jewish organization that appeases Islamists way too much)

Jacob Krieger, President of LionPAC

Laura Stoffel, President of SGA

Nilou Safinya, President of Iranian Students Association (No surprise there)

24 Gmac  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:40:49am

Go figure... invite the 'leader' of a country that is on the list of nations exporting terrorism and munitions being used to kill US soldiers and was one of the original Tehran captors at the US Embassy in 1979 or invite an American to speak about realities of defending our borders...

"You can't *pay* for entertainment like this."

25 merav  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:41:10am

Is it true that protests on campus must take seven days to bearranged? If that IS the case, I could see being upset by the four day notice. It would seem to cancel out opposing demonstrations.

However, taking into consideration the atmosphere at Columbia, I just envision a welcoming party, complete with protestors - not against Iran, of course, but against Israel and let's not forget, the United States.

What the student body statement really means to say is this:
Have you ever tried to prepare a royal wedding feast in four short days? We need more time to fete this earthly king!

26 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:41:27am
To keep information like this from the students actively stifles debate.

Now this I agree with. Sounds like columbia railroaded the students here-

How can students who wish to protest successfully organize and plan in four days when demonstrations on campus require a minimum of seven days advance notice for security review?

The student body should have been informed as soon as the invitation had been extended.

Absolutely! And since the universities have made such a leftist bed for themselves you can't help but wonder if this was intentional. This is disgraceful on the part of columbia university!

27 maddogg  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:41:34am

I have two kids in college (OUCH!) and I must have done something right, as neither are friggin' Moonbats.

28 darkster2400  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:42:18am

Their University is hosting the courge of the modern world and they are concerned about short notice? What are they smoking down there?

29 FriarsTale  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:42:18am

Karl Rove is behind all of these recent "news" events

OJ
Rather
Ahmadinejad

this is all pre-planned to take attention away from the surge

Cindy Sheehan is about to sue all the major networks to stop reporting on all these distractions and end the war in Iraq instead

you just wait!

30 realwest  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:42:32am

Sorry to go OT on y'all, but this is important:

OK, I've done my patriotic duty - I've e-mailed each of my two US Senators and I've e-mailed President Bush requesting that if the President of Iran is allowed to visit NYC, it should be without US Secret Service protection and, indeed, he should not be allowed to visit Ground Zero at all.
If y'all take the time I did to write to those folks, maybe we can get something brewing.
This is the text of my letter to one of my Senators:

"Dear Senator Burr: I have read in numerous places that the President of Iran, when he attends the UN General Assembly meeting in New York City, intends to also visit Ground Zero, DESPITE the refusal of the NYPD to protect him, DESPITE the Mayor's refusal to allow him to visit and despite condemnations by Sen. Hillary Clinton (honest!) and yet will still receive US Secret Service Protection to visit this hallowed ground? While I was born in North Carolina, I lived and worked in Manhattan, NYC for several years, and was there during 9/11/01. I've also hear both Gen. Petreaeus and Ambassador Crocker talking, UNDER OATH, about how Iran is arming those in Iraq who are using those arms to kill US Troops.
Who has any authority to question the obligation of the US Secrect Service to guard him should he in fact decided to visit the hallowed ground of Ground Zero. Can you PLEASE do anything at all about this? Any help - such as calling President Bush - or the head of the US Secret Service would be greatly appreciated and remembered. That man - who's nation President Bush has called a terrorist state - should NEVER be allowed anywhere near Ground Zero. I know that Ground Zero is in New York, Senator, but this is an issue that I believe affects AMERICANS from every State.
Again, your help in preventing him from vistiting Ground Zero will be very much appreciated. Thank you for you time and efforts in this matter."
Realwest [real name inserted here]

31 darkster2400  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:43:04am

correction - scourge - oops

32 Doug  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:43:23am

If I were a Columbia prof, just for the Hell of it, I would organize a KKK and Neo-Nazi lecture and invite guest speakers, all in the name of free speech, ya know. How would the Leftards feel about that?

33 Izzy Dunne  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:43:23am

no view is too disreputable to be excluded


Bizarre statement.

So exclude it already!

I suppose they meant "no view is too disreputable to be included".

34 slartybartfast  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:43:44am
In a university setting, no view is too disreputable to be excluded - the goal of a university is to hear and present a wide array of opinions so that they may be challenged and debated in the spirit of free speech and the pursuit of knowledge.

I suppose, at the other end of the spectrum we have views that are not disreputable enough...those may be excluded!

What a Crock o' Sh*t!

I suppose the girl who was hung from a crane in Iran--who would have been old enough to attend college by now, if she'd have lived--might be less enthusiastic about this visit by a "controversial figure."

/don't hang me, bro

35 theheat  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:44:14am

I don't understand the so-called debate aspect of his visit. These idiots are already fawning all over him. Just how does that qualify as a debate? It's more like a red carpet BDS homecoming party. These people are orgasmic over that piece of shit.

36 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:44:16am
37 Ziggy  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:44:32am

I can't believe he isn't forced to leave the country immediately upon completion of his speech/incoherent tirade. Those intellectual morons at Columbia must be so proud of themselves and I bet their Harvard peers are jealous of this opportunity to

hear and present a wide array of opinions so that they may be challenged and debated in the spirit of free speech and the pursuit of knowledge.

(I'm gagging)
.

38 gamegrid  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:45:27am

When this event is over, they can pack them ALL up and send em' back to Iran.

Columbia University is worthless.

39 Pete(Detroit)  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:45:32am
To keep information like this from the students actively stifles debate

And this surprises whom, exactly?
LLL campii have been suppressing intelligent debate for decades.

40 rtheyserius  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:45:39am

There are a whole lot of Americans who are getting extremely fed up with this sort of thing.

41 red satellite  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:45:41am

We are disturbed,...

Uh...that about sums it up Einstein.

42 Ziggy  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:45:58am

re: #22 Tait_Ransom

the goal of a university is to hear and present a wide array of opinions so that they may be challenged and debated in the spirit of free speech and the pursuit of knowledge.

Unles the opinion is from someone who believes in controlling the borders. I think the Minutemen would take issue with Columbia's self-proclaimed status as a place where ideas are debated. A place where conservative speakers are shouted down and run off the stage, maybe.


Touche!

43 Hardcore UFO  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:46:32am

How can we adequately prepare ourselves in four days for the insightful and productive debate that this event should elicit on campus?

Debate what? Anything Ahmadinejad says the students and faculty are going to swallow hook, line and sinker.

44 kellino  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:46:52am

I'm sure that if it were Ann Coulter -- or someone even more repulsive like a white supremacist -- that their dedication to what they see as "free speech" might show a bit more weakness (if not downright hostility -- deserved or not)

I wonder what would have been said if the same opportunity were offered to Hitler in 1938.

Actually...that's not a fair analogy as Mahmoud has the blood of American GI's on his hands. Hitler in 1942 then. Never mind that whole unfortunate hostage incident in the late 70's. I'm sure if there had been more dialogue and diplomacy from Mr. Cater, that unfortunate incident could have been avoided and/or resolved without making military threats like that big bully Regan did.

Oops! Was I being sarcastic?

45 canadiancrackpot  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:47:15am

It's difficult to fathom Ahmadinejad coming to a US university, let alone Columbia, but I think this presents a real opportunity to students, faculty and New Yorkers in general to show how unwelcome he is on US soil. I'd be interested to see the Q & A.

Don't think: too bad Ahmadinejad is coming to Columbia. He will be.

Think: he's coming, now how can we make the best of it? And what can we do once he's here?

46 l'omega  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:48:01am

I don't think censoring the Iranian President would be a good thing. He is crazy but interesting. The more we let him talk, the more rope he has to hang himself. Maybe he'll admit that we all ought to convert to Islam (a possibility given that Christianity and Judaism don't behead apostates).

Letting this nut-job get the bomb, that deserves drastic action, but letting a nut-bar confirm his fruitiness? Good for a laugh I think.

47 canadiancrackpot  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:48:18am

re: #45 canadiancrackpot
Or, you know, someone could just go all Malcolm X on him, if you get my drift...not that I'm advocating anything of the sort.

48 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:48:47am
How can students who wish to protest successfully organize and plan in four days when demonstrations on campus require a minimum of seven days advance notice for security review?

expedite - to speed up the progress of; hasten

49 Ceemack  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:49:27am

You know, having gone to college in the late 70s and early 80s, the only protest I ever attended was one against the taking of hostages at the American embassy in Tehran.

Now the mush-headed student leadership at Columbia is welcoming one of those hostage-takers as an "opportunity...to learn about world affairs."

God help us all.

50 Vero  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:50:13am
How can we adequately prepare ourselves in four days for the insightful and productive debate that this event should elicit on campus

You Asshats have been in college for 4 years? You not even ready for the real world, what makes you think more time would help you be more, errr, Insightful.

51 SeafoodGumbo  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:50:21am
52 Rednek  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:53:07am

The Secret Sevice is going to protect him? Does that mean they are willing to take a bullet for him if something bad were to happen? A very sad state of affairs, indeed.

I wouldn't want anything to happen to him on American soil but imagine the insult of being asked to take a bullet for Hitler.

53 mn_marine_mp  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:53:56am

Send the taser kid.

54 realwest  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:58:58am

OT AGAIN - sorry y'all:
ADDENDUM to my #30 - you can find your senators e-mail addy by going here: [Link: [Link: www.senate.gov...]...]
and then search for your state.
You can e-mail the President at comments@whitehouse.gov

C'mon folks, if we don't do this to prevent his visiting Ground Zero, who will?

55 insanity police  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:59:15am

re: #53 mn_marine_mp

Send the taser kid.

That moonbat probably love dinnerjacket.

56 JWM  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:59:15am

This will all be very nice. The students and faculty can apologize to Ahmadingbat, and make up for all the uncouth protests in NYC.

JWM

57 realwest  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:00:22am

re: #36 Iron Fist Please see my #30 bro and my #54. It IS up to US.

58 El Guape  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:01:39am

I agree with the students. If Hitler came to town, I'd like to know where and when he would be speaking, too. And how much security he would have, as a side note.

Seriously, though, it is a good idea to "organize a protest" or gather enough damning information to put into a question that would have him squirming. Like about the Iranian intelligence officer that the troops arrested in Iraq today. It pays to prepare, and even if the moonbats want to lay palm fronds for him, if I were going to school there I would like a couple of weeks to get some people organized and ready.

59 Cobra  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:02:23am
"The student body should have been informed as soon as the invitation had been extended. Even if the invitation had been declined, students would have begun the debate that the event was originally meant to inspire. To keep information like this from the students actively stifles debate."

I just can't grasp this "logic". Because they weren't made aware at the exact moment of the event's conception, their freedom of speech was somehow infringed? Have I got that right?

60 El Guape  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:03:40am

And upon reflecting, wtf is he being allowed out of the UN building for anyways? This is the same guy who declares America the 'Arch-enemy' of Iran. Why do we host Arch-enemies? And who uses the word 'Arch' outside of a batman comic?

61 schlagerman  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:03:57am

Do you think students will attack Ahmadinejad during his speech like they did Minutemen founder Jim Gilchrist? That's a rhetorical question, of course. A man who founded an organization to protect this country is forced off stage while the leader of a country that's busy killing our troops is treated like a rock star. I'm eager to hear the student's questions posed to Ahmadinejad. Do you think anyone will bring up the women who were beaten becasue their style of dress was too Western? Or the execution of homosexuals? I sorta doubt it.

62 schlagerman  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:05:52am

re: #61 schlagerman


PIMF: becasue = because

63 ChristianRepublic  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:07:00am

Fabulous. Maybe he'll wear a bomb vest for their entertainment?

64 jamgarr  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:07:33am

the needs of the students should take precedence.


Because, of course, it's all about them.

65 Eowyn2  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:07:42am

re: #4 Sharmuta

In a university setting, no view is too disreputable to be excluded

Unless it's a right-winger.

"How can students who wish to protest successfully organize and plan in four days when demonstrations on campus require a minimum of seven days advance notice for security review?"

Evidently they figure that not EVERYONE will lap up the koolaid.

66 americanpundit  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:09:15am
How can students who wish to protest successfully organize and plan in four days when demonstrations on campus require a minimum of seven days advance notice for security review?

Hmm...

67 kutabeach  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:10:41am

What a bunch of whiny, pathetic students - "oh man, you didn't give us enough time to prepare"...

At least I'm a grad of Columbia from the one school there that isn't a disaster.

68 Athos  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:11:17am

Perhaps these students from Columbia University should be provided with travel to Tehran so they can see first hand how Ahmahwhackjob's goons treat the local students...

Of course, those idiotarians from Columbia wouldn't be the dissidents that the non-jihadi Iranian students are - and wouldn't suffer the arrests and beatings.

It's nice to have the useful idiots stand up and identify themselves. It makes it easier to see the enemy.

69 Gearhead  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:14:58am
the goal of a university is to hear and present a wide array of opinions so that they may be challenged and debated in the spirit of free speech and the pursuit of knowledge.

Well, in that case, I'd like to nominate either Robert Spencer or Dick Cheney to introduce Mr. Armageddon-head.

70 NoSubmission  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:15:36am

They're upset because they didn't get enough notice?

Then get your crayons out, idiots!

Oh,. my aching head!

71 mondoreb  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:16:35am

Ahmadinejad is a dick.

Mark Steyn quoted me this morning on National Review Online!

Re: Take this Wreath and Shove it

Original Story

I'm so proud!

72 Geepers  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:17:03am

Don't expect this to happen by the open-minded Columbia student body at Ahmadinejad's speech:

Students stormed the stage at Columbia University's Roone auditorium yesterday, knocking over chairs and tables and attacking Jim Gilchrist

At Columbia, Students Attack Minuteman Founder

73 bulwrk  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:17:28am

We believe that this presents an incredible opportunity for the student body to learn about world affairs and to challenge a major controversial figure.

What a disingenuous load of crap somehow I get the feeling there will be more fawning than challenging going on.

74 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:17:29am
75 Daryl Herbert  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:20:03am

"demonstrations on campus require a minimum of seven days advance notice for security review?"

Columbia only gave 4 days notice so that nobody could hold a protest against A-jad.

That's the kind of pathetic cowardice we've come to expect from left-wing academics.

They cry about "academic freedom" as their reason for inviting him, but they ruthlessly suppress student dissent.

76 Jheka  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:20:15am

Again, by what logic is he permitted to step one foot outside of the UN compound?

77 3 wood  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:20:42am
How can students who wish to protest successfully organize and plan in four days when demonstrations on campus require a minimum of seven days advance notice for security review? How can students who actually care and want to learn and attend the event if registration is closed before the event is even officially announced?

What could possibly take these students 4 days to figure outr?

They already know that they loath their own country, they have had plenty of time to memorize Das Kapital, they already know that they hate the military, and they already are shills for the left.

So what else do they have to figure out?

78 Geepers  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:21:16am

mondoreb (#71),

Congrats! And I know why Steyn picked it up; very well said.

79 brent  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:22:54am
To keep information like this from the students actively stifles debate.

That's especially ironic considering it's usually the students that stifle the debate at Columbia (et al).

80 Gearhead  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:23:12am

re: #73 bulwrk

... challenge ...

I do not think that means what they think it means.

/Inigo Montoya

81 Merovign  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:23:43am

There is no amount of invective that is too much for Columbia now.

It's nothing more than a cesspit, a cheap diploma mill, a looney-bin and a school of last resort for the criminally stupid.

They should apologize to their alumni for cheapening the brand to worthlessness.

Oh, and l'omega, it's not about "censoring," it's about inviting a murderous dictator who has long supported terrorist murder and is currently sending his troops against ours to a propaganda session in our country.

Though you do have a point, mistaken as its target is... this does help reveal morally retarded jerks. Not Ahmadinejad, he didn't need this opportunity to show us that. No, it reveals the administration and student body of Columbia to be, so far as we can see from here, completely intellectually and morally bankrupt.

82 Moose4  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:26:17am

"In a university setting, no view is too disreputable to be excluded"

Except Jim Gilchrist and the Minutemen, right, Columbia?

83 mondoreb  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:27:03am

re: #78 Geepers

mondoreb (#71),

Congrats! And I know why Steyn picked it up; very well said.

Thanks!
I am still kinda in shock!
Steyn's one of my heroes!

84 cartoonboy  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:27:24am

Ahmadinejad and Columbia students: death and death wish.

85 Athos  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:27:44am

re: #76 Jheka

Again, by what logic is he permitted to step one foot outside of the UN compound?

That's my point - how does he get there without transiting US airspace / territory? We're under no obligation to recognize his diplomatic credentials since there is no formal diplomatic contact between our nations. Let him address the GA via television feed from anywhere else willing to host him.

86 Terp Mole  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:27:46am

U-Houston wacademia suspends disbelief;

Staff editorial: Restricting Ahmadinejad's travel an unnecessary measure

...This barring only gives Ahmadinejad more room for criticism against the United States. It might seem strange to consider, but the chance of this being an honest act of good will between two nations is possible. It may be a small chance, but it's a chance, nonetheless.

Maybe there's a "small chance" Iran wants to bury the hatchet mullah-style?

U-Houston invites your act of good will here.

87 mike(in)savage  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:28:20am

"How can we adequately prepare ourselves in four days for the insightful and productive debate that this event should elicit"

How many days of preparation do you suppose it took to come up with "Boxers or briefs"?

88 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:29:08am

re: #72 Geepers

And the board just decided they'd not invite him back. Being against illegal activities = too controversial. Calling Death to America = worth listening to.

The founder of the Minuteman Project, who was forced off a Columbia University stage by protests last year, will not come for a return engagement after all.

...The Columbia Political Union said in its statement that the event "could not effectively accomplish the goals we had hoped it might."

Compare and contrast:

In a university setting, no view is too disreputable to be excluded

With

The CPU's executive board voted Monday night "not to go forward with this event" after consulting with other student groups, Eisenbach and other individuals, the group said.
89 Cobra  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:30:50am

re: #87 mike(in)savage

"How can we adequately prepare ourselves in four days for the insightful and productive debate that this event should elicit"

How many days of preparation do you suppose it took to come up with "Boxers or briefs"?

LOL. A (+) mark for you!

90 Dianna  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:33:55am

re: #9 Rednek

Score: 88.33%.

I blew reconstruction! And I wavered on the federalists - I called them a political party, because I didn't like the right answer (too simple for a complex concept).

91 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:33:56am

Do all the students and faculty have their knee pads yet?

/ewww!

92 cartoonboy  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:34:18am

What's wrong with providing a soft place for a genocidal maniac to de-stress and display his charm?

93 Athos  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:34:50am

re: #86 Terp Mole

Gotta love the idiotarians in academia. "small chance" - as opposed to actually asking for a definitive demonstration of good will like the suspension of nuclear weapon development, ceasing all aid and supply to Shi'a militia's, Taliban, Hizbollah, and Hamas, renouncing and backing away from calls for the destruction of Israel?

Nothing like grasping for anvils when trying to keep their heads above water.

94 justamomof4  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:34:50am

re: #19 Pastorius

HANDS AROUND GROUND ZERO - KEEP AHMADINEJAD OUT!

Perfect time to wear my "lan astaslem" (I will not submit) t-shirt. Pull out the damn welcome mat and tell the midget to take his invitations to islam and stick it where the sun don't shine.

95 Geepers  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:35:28am

Silhouette (#88),

The whole "free speech" thing is a ruse to cover their true feelings; they love him because he hates Bush as much as they do.

96 Athos  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:35:36am

re: #91 Ward Cleaver

Just half...the other half are prepared to grab their ankles and assume the position.

97 Dustyvet  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:35:50am

re: #5 storagemanager

A speech about the Mahdi...and the glory of Islam.


Anybody know where I can pickup 1,000,000 rotton eggs on short notice...?

98 mike(in)savage  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:38:42am

Are any of the hard hitting, insightful questions Ahmadinejad will be fielding going to be posed by an animated talking snowman?

99 cartoonboy  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:39:27am

Luckily Ahmadinejad will not be taxed on whatever honorariam he receives.
Islam does have its benefits.

100 Eri  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:40:02am

Sounds to me like they're "seething" because student groups will be unable to protest Dinnerjacket due to the need to apply seven days in advance. The university had better make an exception for those groups or you'll find a lot more people really seething.

101 ciaospirit  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:42:57am

re: #46 l'omega

Letting this nut-job get the bomb, that deserves drastic action, but letting a nut-bar confirm his fruitiness? Good for a laugh I think.

No. Having him as a featured speaker validates him. Very dangerous. And it's a slap in the face to all those Iranians in Iran who want to topple this Islamoterrorist. It ain't worth the laugh.

102 mondoreb  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:44:05am

re: #95 Geepers

The whole "free speech" thing is a ruse to cover their true feelings; they love him because he hates Bush as much as they do.

The only time the Left ever cites "free speech" is when they want to advance a particularly noxious viewpoint. If conservatives argue against their viewpoint, we are not exercising "free speech", we are being 'hatemongers', 'Nazis', or 'fascists'.

You're a conservative...no free speech for you!

103 RadicalRon[deleted]  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:45:11am
104 mondoreb  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:45:11am

re: #97 Dustyvet

Anybody know where I can pickup 1,000,000 rotton eggs on short notice...?

I'd contact the US Department of Agriculture.
They probably have a program somewhere.

You might even be able to get 'em for free.

105 Peter_Wiggin  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:49:15am

The only problem with a genocidal dictator visiting a top American University is that the students weren't informed enough in advance?!

What do they need the time to do? Set up an intricate display of their hatred of jews to make the thug-in-chief feel at home? Or does it take longer to make a really good effigy of GW?

106 Silhouette  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:52:13am

re: #105 Peter_Wiggin

Not just any genocidal dictator. This one is currently funding and waging war against American troops.

Google Video search results: Iran, Death To America = 291 hits.

107 SummerSong  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:53:14am

Iran: Ahmadinejad is 'Socrates of third millenium', says president's office

Tehran, 20 Sept. (AKI) - A research centre run by the office of the president of Iran has released a 15-page document in which they define President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as the "Socrates of the Third Millenium".

The document has been released just days before Ahmadinejad is due to visit New York. The Iranian president will arrive in the city on Sunday to address the United Nations General Assembly.

In the document, various speeches and letters written by the Iranian president are analysed and it concludes that "Ahmadinejad reasons and discusses exactly as Socrates did in ancient Greece, by disarming other speakers and through his sharp reasoning."

"It's mainly the irony used by the president in his dialogue with foreigners," said the document refering to letters Ahmadinejad had written to Pope Benedict XVI, US president George Bush and German president Angela Merkel.

Just ahead of Ahmadinejad's visit to New York, the president's cultural advisor, Javad Shamaghdari said that the Iranian government is willing to collaborate with the American director Oliver Stone to make a documentary on the Iranian president. Ahmadinejad had initially rejected a request to do the project by the Oscar-winning director.

"Oliver Stone should visit Iran and familiarise himself with the reality of the country, before beginning his documentary of Ahmadinejad," said Shamaghdari.

In July, another advisor to the president, Mehdi Kalhor , told the media that Ahmadinejad had refused the offer by Oliver Stone "eventhough the director is considered to be against the current US president."

"The West shows a distorted image of Iranian culture" and a documentary done by Stone could offer the public something different," said Shamaghdari.

Oliver Stone has already done documentaries about Fidel Castro and the Israeli-Palestine conflict.

Also ahead of Ahmadinejad's visit to New York, the authorities in the city turned down a request by the president's office to visit Ground Zero, the site of the 9/11 terrorist attacks in the city.

New York police said his request was rejected on security grounds as well as because construction is taking place at the site.

Ahmadinejad's plan to visit Ground Zero angered critics who were outraged by the idea that the leader of a country Washington considers a state sponsor of terrorism, would visit a "hallowed" ground.

[Link: www.adnkronos.com...]

108 Tumulus11  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:54:07am

. Ahmadinejad despises America and Israel.
He's a violent revolutionary who speaks of international peace.
He delights in outraging the world's 'establishment'
He's dark, brooding, and bearded.
He'll need a security detail to fend off the female neo-hippies at Columbia.

109 Perf  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:58:48am

No doubt the audience's faces are already glowing.

110 descolada9  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 11:03:31am

Why don't they just go ahead and invite some Holocaust deniers to lecture at the university while they're at it?!

Oh, that's right, they did...

111 beens21  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 11:03:34am

liberal professors at UCI rise up to protest Summer's speech because ,in one comment,he wondered why there were so few female students in engineering, so he had gender issues. Liberal professors rise up to welcome a guy who hangs 12 year old girls from a crane,denies the holocaust,vows to destroy Israel and the US and is sending agents to kill US soldiers.

112 troonbop  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 11:07:16am

There was a time when i supported this idea under the principle of free speech. Let him show up, challenge him, etc.
Unfortunately the modern university, particularly Columbia, has warped the principle out of reality. Conservative speakers aren't accorded respect or safety, and meanwhile this POS gets all the respect and attention anyone could ask for.
When it comes down to it, what exactly is he going to say we haven't heard? And his forces are killing Americans.
And, as mentioned above, the students are just longing to forgive this guy. (he's not a monster...he makes sense...we all have a point of view)
He'll probably be valedictorian next year.

113 whale watcher  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 11:07:42am

"challenge a major controversial figure"

Good luck with that, kids!

114 mondoreb  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 11:12:25am

When will Leftards realize that Ahmadinejad would just be another whack-o Holocaust Deny-er

Except that he's months away from having nuclear capability?

And he's ordering the deaths of U.S. servicement in Iraq?

And he's sworn to 'wipe Israel off the map'?

115 NYC_Mike  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 11:13:41am
In a university setting, no view is too disreputable to be excluded

Except, of course if your a conservative or perhaps...a Minuteman

remember this...

116 madisonsfriend  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 11:15:13am

I thought this was satire when I first read it- but i guess with the student groups signing on - it is real. What knd of insightful and productive debate do they expect to have with this nut? And since when do students get a permit to protest 7 days before an event? If they are seriously angry- then just protest the whole thing. That is one pathetic piece of candy ass writing

117 Jheka  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 11:21:44am

re: #85 Athos

re: #76 Jheka


Again, by what logic is he permitted to step one foot outside of the UN compound?

That's my point - how does he get there without transiting US airspace / territory? We're under no obligation to recognize his diplomatic credentials since there is no formal diplomatic contact between our nations. Let him address the GA via television feed from anywhere else willing to host him.

Hell, I can even see allowing him transportation through U.S. territory for the express and limited purpose of going to and from the UN but why he should be able to stroll around NYC or any other part of this nation (especially when such excursions have nothing to do with his business at the UN) is completely beyond me. This man is complicit in the murder of Americans. He and his government are trying to murder more Americans. He is our enemy, by word and deed. That we extend him courtesies and accomodate his wishes in any fashion is grotesque.

118 Cygnus  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 11:22:31am

re: #5 storagemanager

A speech about the Mahdi...and the glory of Islam.

With an altar call to follow.

119 CLLRusso  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 11:22:54am

Why the heck is the Secret Service assigned to protect a foreign official visiting the United Nations? (No doubt another insane provision because the UN is located in the US?) Let the UN guys do that. Then we could be sure Ahmadinejad could be at least harassed by any crowd at hand. I'd love to see him spit on by Americans.

120 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 11:28:30am

Columbia University supports the Jihad and supports terrorism.

I am glad they are publicly admitting where they stand.

121 mondoreb  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 11:32:06am

re: #119 CLLRusso

Why the heck is the Secret Service assigned to protect a foreign official visiting the United Nations? (No doubt another insane provision because the UN is located in the US?) Let the UN guys do that. Then we could be sure Ahmadinejad could be at least harassed by any crowd at hand. I'd love to see him spit on by Americans.

Just another example of American's tax dollars at work.
Maybe they could erect a sign at Ground Zero for when Ahmadinejad visits?

122 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 11:33:11am

So conservative, or should I say, patriotic kids, join up to serve their country to fight despots and evil men like Ahmadinnerjacket.

Liberal kids want to "debate" him and tyrants like him?

123 Cygnus  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 11:34:46am

re: #19 Pastorius

HANDS AROUND GROUND ZERO - KEEP AHMADINEJAD OUT!

Bring lots of bacon and pork chops.

124 jwbaumann  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 11:37:29am

re: #9 Rednek

Good quiz. Anyone who gets 100% on that one is a bright bulb indeed (I didn't, but I'm above average at 50 major universities).

125 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 11:38:01am

I think we should use the secret service to apprehend dinnerjacket. That would be the best thing. I mean after Air-a-fart and his UN stunt and his little NY jaunt when Giuliana threw him out, you'd think we'd learn something !

126 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 11:45:47am

Since the fine students and professors of Columbia University are busy congratulating themselves in a circle jerk on how wise and intelligent they are by asking Ahmadinnerjacekt to speak before them, I would like to remind them what a real student does to stand up to despotic and evil men like Der Iranian Fuhrer.

[Link: artfiles.art.com...]

Columbia is a disgrace.

127 coquimbojoe  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 11:48:34am

re: #7 Sharmuta

Hey Sharmuta, the site you saw when you clicked my nic is not mine. I lived in Chile for awhile (Coquimbo is a small town in the north that i lived in for a while), and would love to get back there for good. That is the site of a guy that was selling land to ex-pats. I keep it close because the scenery takes my mind off the rest of the crap out there. Southern Chile is truly God's country. Safe, free, low taxes and generally very well managed with good trout fishing... heaven.

128 Athos  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 11:57:27am

re: #117 Jheka

That we extend him courtesies and accomodate his wishes in any fashion is grotesque.

That's why I wouldn't even permit him transit to Turtle Bay. I consider that transit an extension of a courtesy and an accommodation that is not warranted given the position and actions of his government. But I will promise (fingers crossed) not to jam his televised speech to the GA.

130 madisonsfriend  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 12:01:08pm

From the link to Facebook from Malkin's column, students from Columbia, other schools and others will be protesting on campus(no outsiders allowed) and right outside the building where nutjob is speaking(if it doesn't get stopped) -which is a public street according to the posting.

131 LHM  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 12:03:43pm

This dictator should not even be allowed in the country.

I fault Condoleeza Rice.

Lao
An American Expat in Southeast Asia

132 armaros  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 12:07:49pm

meanwhile In Iraq another Iranian terrorist is apprehended by US forces
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

133 Sabraguy  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 12:08:44pm
We believe that this presents an incredible opportunity for the student body to learn about world affairs and to challenge a major controversial figure.

Somehow I don't hold out much hope for the "challenge" part of this.

134 Areopagitica  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 12:12:08pm

I guess Columbia was also dying to have Eichmann give a talk on linguistics back in the late 1930's. These people make me sick.

If this goes down, I'd say there is no stopping islamofascism and we're all doomed.

135 mattm  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 12:17:59pm

As long as the speaker doesn't like Ameica it is fine with that crowd.

136 Seraphym  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 12:22:36pm
"To keep information like this from the students actively stifles debate."

Also stifling debate... Iran:

Photo 1

Photo 2

Photo 3

Photo 4

Photo 5

/you get the idea

137 gagalbert  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 12:27:18pm

Now that they have agreed to allow a speaker that has proposed the genocide of the Jews, I want to see the welcome they give to other speakers that propose genocide of other races, religions, ethnicities.


I am waiting

138 bunz351  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 12:32:16pm

Actually, I don't have a big problem with this; every time he opens his mouth, he demonstrates to the world what an a$$hole he is.

139 schlagerman  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 12:54:05pm

re: #9 Rednek


I did ok, 85%. Compared to the, ahem, best and brightest at Harvard, Yale, Duke, Princeton, and Cornell, I did quite well. Maybe I should apply at these esteemed academic institutions and cite this test as a reason for my acceptance. On second thought, maybe not. I can't drink like I did in college. I've found that recovery time is a lot longer now. :(

140 lostlakehiker  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 1:24:47pm

re: #107 SummerSong

If he's the Socrates of the New Millennium, he deserves a toast. Bottoms up.

141 rockman  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 1:30:53pm

They are going to have a hell of a time getting the red carpets, confetti, fireworks display, Iranian flags, party favors and gift bags together for this one.
And where will they find a caterer on such short notice?

142 mal  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 2:08:36pm

Finally, a moderate voice in their Middle East Studies department at Columbia

143 daughter of patriots  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 2:12:18pm

In a nutshell:

Waaah, waaah, waaah...yadda...because its all about ME, ME, Meee!

144 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 2:20:58pm
How can students who wish to protest successfully organize and plan in four days when demonstrations on campus require a minimum of seven days advance notice for security review?

Columbia is only half-committed to the freedom of speech if they allow Ahmadinejad to speak but silence his protesters. If Mahmoud wants a taste of freedom of speech he should have to eat the whole dish.

145 NYCRightie  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 2:52:39pm

How is "death to America" not too disreputable to be excluded? How is "Israel will be wiped off the map" not too disreputable to be excluded? All the Minuteman guys want to do is keep the Mexicans on their side of the border. They are excluded. This guy wants to nuke the Jews but his insight we have to hear. Sickening.

146 RTLM  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 3:03:55pm

President Bollinger's Statement About
President Ahmadinejad's Scheduled Appearance

Snip

In order to have such a University-wide forum, we have insisted that a number of conditions be met, first and foremost that President Ahmadinejad agree to divide his time evenly between delivering remarks and responding to audience questions. I also wanted to be sure the Iranians understood that I would myself introduce the event with a series of sharp challenges to the president on issues including:

*the Iranian president’s denial of the Holocaust;
*his public call for the destruction of the State of Israel;
*his reported support for international terrorism that targets innocent civilians and American troops;
*Iran's pursuit of nuclear ambitions in opposition to international sanction;
*his government's widely documented suppression of civil society and particularly of women's rights; and
*his government's imprisoning of journalists and scholars, including *one of Columbia’s own alumni, Dr. Kian Tajbakhsh (see President Bollinger's prior statement).
That such a forum could not take place on a university campus in Iran today sharpens the point of what we do here. To commit oneself to a life—and a civil society—prepared to examine critically all ideas arises from a deep faith in the myriad benefits of a long-term process of meeting bad beliefs with better beliefs and hateful words with wiser words. That faith in freedom has always been and remains today our nation’s most potent weapon against repressive regimes everywhere in the world. This is America at its best.

We'll see how civil these sniveling traitors are when David Horowitz and Sean Hannity speak there next month.

147 LoneSome Journey  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 3:08:18pm

What is most frightening about the situation at columbia is that in 20 to 40 years these children, although still children emotionally, will be in some of the most sensitive areas of our nation. What kind of tragedy can we expect then? What kind of traitors within our own government will we be facing? Well, I most likely won't be around in 60 years, but I can fear for the damage to our nation with such lunatics that are in our colleges and universities today.

Knowing that such idiots will absorb every word a known terrorist udders as if there could be no doubt to its veracity and at the same time, refusing to believe some of the people in our own government who shudder at the thought of lying to the American people. Yes, we have some brilliant and loyal(full sarcasm mode) students and future "leaders" in our nation.

148 hannibal smith  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 3:20:55pm

It's one of the brothers from IraqTheModel - I think it was Omar - starting at Columbia this semester?

149 LoneSome Journey  Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:38:32pm
#136 Seraphym

The well learned children at columbia will tell you these are CIA doctored photos. They will get confirming comments from the kos kiddies.

150 Seraphym  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 10:12:40am

re: #149 LoneSome Journey

They will get confirming comments from the kos kiddies.

Oh yes, well, we all know their critical thinking and fact-checking skills are superb, so that settles it, then. Sorry for linking CIA/Mossad/Skull&Bones/Illuminati/Grassy-knoll -shooter doctored photos, everyone.

/not really


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