the far right blogosphere bully boys pronounced themselves experts on document analysis

so they were wrong?

I don't think so

Too funny - can't wait until the movie comes out

Sour grapes from Mary Mapes.

Hmmm.. The truth is a very deceptive approach alright.

We're ALL Document Experts? Who knew?

Let me dig up my long dead copy of WordPerfect! I'm on a roll! Another career path I never knew existed!

It's really just the new "fake but accurate". They think if they keep repeating it different ways that eventually they will find one that sticks.

They dominated the discussion by churning out gigabytes of mind-numbing internet dissertations about the typeface in the memos, focusing on the curl at the end of the “a,” the dip on the top of the “t,” the spacing, the superscript, which typewriters were used in the military in 1972.

It was a deceptive approach, and it worked.

Only to the leftists are facts considered deception.

What was different in our case was the brand new and bruising power of the conservative blogosphere [uh, she's talking about you, Charles - ed.], particularly the extremists among them. They formed a tightly knit community of keyboard assault artists who saw themselves as avenging angels of the right, determined to root out and decimate anything they believed to be disruptive to their worldview.

Hmm... That's projection, right?

Among Charles many accomplishments is document expertise you silly bitch.

Lest we forget - They ain't forgeries - they are FAKES.

I am sure all the truthers believe her and ol' dan.

Courtesy of the "Bush knocked down the towers" people---oids.

How DARE THEY apply standard printing forensics.

Anybody interested in the Magna Carta? Give me 10 minutes, please.

This screed by Mapes is truly psychotic.

What a wonder life where you refuse to let facts get in your way.

Guess her copy of the CBS "ON THE SEPTEMBER 8, 2004 60 MINUTES - WEDNESDAY SEGMENT “FOR THE RECORD” - CONCERNING PRESIDENT BUSH’S TEXAS AIR NATIONAL GUARD SERVICE" got lost in the mail.

re: #8 Noam Sayin'

What was different in our case was the brand new and bruising power of the conservative blogosphere [uh, she's talking about you, Charles - ed.], particularly the extremists among them. They formed a tightly knit community of keyboard assault artists who saw themselves as avenging angels of the right, determined to root out and decimate anything they believed to be disruptive to their worldview.

Hmm... That's projection, right?

It's ALL projection from the tri-L.

They screamed objections that ultimately proved to have no basis in fact.

So all of a sudden they had these fonts back then? All of a sudden there was typewriters that could adjust the spacing? Which "objections" did those in the blogsphere (especially here) "scream" were ultimately proven false eh? Hmm? Name some please. I'd love to see how they were proven false.

Come on Mary...get over it ...Bush won the election..

Mapes,

You're wrong, really wrong, and you continue to dig yourself deeper.

You've had three years to come up with any machine from the 70s that could reproduce your ersatz document, or ANY other font-identical typewritten letter from the 70s to back up your utterly fanstastic claims, and you haven't been able to do it.

You're not the victim of some "right wing conspiracy" but rather the victim of your own blindness and cupidity. You shot yourself in the foot going with a memo that isn't only a fake, but an incredibly BAD fake.

Give it up, because you're only embarassing yourself further.

Oh, fonts and shapes
and sour grapes
make Mary Mapes a loser

You'd be a loser too,
wouldn't you?

-NO? Waddaya mean, no?!
/Oh, Mapes ain't your kinda 'investigative reporter'... well, mine neither

The Nat'l Guard report had "no basis in fact". Jeez these people cannot handle the truth.

What Mapes fails to acknowledge is that it doesn't take an expert on document analysis to spot such an incompetent forgery. After Charles published his GIF image, I tried it out myself, using the Mac version of Microsoft Word, and the fax image from CBS's web site. I'd be happy to demonstrate it to Mapes anytime, anywhere, on my MacBook Pro.

She's a lying, snivelling, incompetent criminal, who attempted to promulgate a fraud to further her own career. To hell with her, and that's coming from a Libertarian, not a conservative.

-jcr

Hmm, will Charles be called to testify?

The funny thing is that Mary couldn't find any actual document experts to verify that her documents were authentic.

She probably thinks Ockham's razor is something to shave her legs with. Sorry kiddo, the more complicated and involuted your reasoning is, the more likely it is to be false. The typeface is wrong. Case closed, now please learn something from somebody who lived 700 years ago. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] He was one heck of a lot smarter than you are.

Did she offer evidence or just call her critics bully's?

Rhetorical Q.

We reported that since these documents were copies, not originals, they could not be fully authenticated, at least not in the legal sense

I asked around and talked to all of the other senses. Apparently they couldn't be authenticated in any other sense too, since they are FAKES

re: #22 pingjockey

The Nat'l Guard report had "no basis in fact". Jeez these people cannot handle the truth.

BUT, they did give us the origin of 'false but accurate', as in 'Mary's fantasies about President Bush were false, but accurate descriptions of her lying fantasies,' Jockey

Aⁿd this was _written on an Oli_vetti.

Gah! They are totally delusional!

Mary...Admit it! You're not perfect! Take a couple deep breaths and try to say out loud "The Bush memo slime before the election didn't work, and they found us out."

Maybe you'll sleep better at night.

HuffPost is chock full of loons today.

Alec Baldwin offers up some really coherent political analysis, and the sane and sober commenters also chime in.

re: #19 missouri boy

Not only did Bush win the election, Mary and Dan helped him do so!

-jcr

The Mapes of Wrath

But the truly chilling part of this entire saga is what happened next. Though our story had raised entirely appropriate questions about the president's military record, though there had been substantiation for everything we reported, though this was an issue certainly worth discussing in wartime, all that was lost in the melee that followed.

Because of the angry conservative outcry, the corporation we worked for chose to walk away from an uncomfortable controversy rather than stick up for its reporters.

I wonder if she believes her own B.S. or if it's just the ol' Mikey Moore trick of repeating lies (no matter how outrageous) until they become truth.

Because her rantings are about something so obviously beyond question and deal with long past events this is one time when it is a pleasure to watch the antics of LLL without having an admixture of dread that these sort of people might actually influence our future.

And Charles, thanks for your decisive work on this one. This country and the world owe you a debt of gratitude for this.

It seems like PuffHo is trying to capture the title of "Most Vile Leftist Website On The Internet".

Look out Kos!

"mary mapes, still lying, even more bitter"
hateful, miserable, pathetic... it shows on her face.

It was a deceptive approach, and it worked.

Examining the spacing, superscript, and types of typewriters used in the 70s is now deceptive! How else do you judge the authenticity of a document, mary? By taking some political hacks word for it? And now you're bitter because you've learned what taking the word of a political hack gets you. Boo frickin' hoo.

Again- SeeBS should counter sue ra^ther and tack on mary, too.

I remember this like it was yesterday. I wasn't traveling at the time and was working on the back deck. This is similar to remembering where I was when 9/11 occurred.

I thought to myself, I'm watching history unfold...

I did. This was a great day for American and only further illustrated the fact that the MSM cannot be trusted. The 4th estate now belongs to the people. Not editorial boards.

I actually laughed out loud when she declared how "scary" we are. She is truly in fear of the size of Charles' brain , and his will to use it only for good.

Inconvenient Truth:

Another unsettling disclosure occurred on Saturday, September 11. The media reported that General Staudt had retired from the TexANG on March 1, 1972, approximately 18 months before Lieutenant Colonel Killian allegedly had written the memorandum about General Staudt’s trying to “sugar coat” Lieutenant Bush’s officer efficiency report.

And that was true no matter what font you typed it in.

Other than serving as a punching bag, what does Mapes do for a living these days?

re: #25 Geepers

The funny thing is that Mary couldn't find any actual document experts to verify that her documents were authentic.

Or any ACTUAL documents. Where is the original that was faxed from Kinkos? Produce it! We'll see who's the fraud when the ORIGINAL is examined.

Ms. Mapes is not going to let the truth get in her way. I can not believe that anyone looking at the "dreaded throbbing memo" could continue to attempt to foist these lies onto America.

This dumb cow was caught with her pants down and instead of just admitting it, she tries to make "fake but accurate" another word for true?

When Rudy pounds the pantsuit into the ground next November, Ms. Mapes' head is going to pop.

Sick, sick woman. She needs to take Danny Boy and shuffle of to Moscow where she will feel more at home.

Susan

re: #24 WitchDoctor

I was wondering the same thing.

I'd LOVE for Charles to show, on national TV, how Mapes and Rather (and their "unimpeachable source") knowingly used their positions to try to skew an election.

It would bring LGF even greater notoriety, prove beyond a shadow of a doubt the bias of the MSM, and make the Kossacks and DUmmies seethe and whine even more than they do now.

What of it, Charles... Any chance you'll be called during the discovery process?

re: #12 RightOfAtilla

---oids.

Ahh, a most addictive game on the old Atari ST.

Kerning.

K e r n i n g.

Ke rn in g.

Fake, but accurate and still sticking to it.

It's also known as stuck on stupid.

If only persistence was enough to earn a Fiskie, she and Rather would be right in consideration.

re: #36 Killgore Trout

I wonder if she believes her own B.S. or if it's just the ol' Mikey Moore trick of repeating lies (no matter how outrageous) until they become truth.

If you read the comments, you'll see that not a single person over there disbelieves her.

They dominated the discussion by churning out gigabytes of mind-numbing internet dissertations about the typeface in the memos, focusing on the curl at the end of the “a,” the dip on the top of the “t,” the spacing, the superscript, which typewriters were used in the military in 1972.

uh... yes... we call that "investigative journalism". Sorry it makes your little head hurt. There may still be an opening in the basket weaving job field, though...

re: #28 Shug

We reported that since these documents were copies, not originals, they could not be fully authenticated, at least not in the legal sense

I asked around and talked to all of the other senses. Apparently they couldn't be authenticated in any other sense too, since they are FAKES

This is an incredibly damning statement coming from her.

What she is conceding here, in essence, is that she had no business running the story in the first place.

Again, she's getting into Holocaust denier/Troofer level of reality denial with these rantings. It was up to her to prove these were authentic before running the story. She still hasn't done it (and can't. . .BECAUSE THE FAKES ARE THAT BAD).

#51 Charles

The typo discovery was an historical moment. Good on you, Charles.

I see she also suffers from Fox Derangement Syndrome.

And at 75 years old, Rather still has more reportorial testosterone than the entire employee roster at FOX News. It is a tremendous injustice to journalism that he has to go to court to be treated with respect.

Is it really lying if one is just plain delusional?

Problem is, it's almost impossible to distinguish the liars from the nutjobs.

Back to the Future...Again.

re: #51 Charles

It's an impressive display of groupthink.

re: #51 Charles

If you read the comments, you'll see that not a single person over there disbelieves her.

SHOCKING!
/

Honestly the thing that surprises me most here is the 'borderline' part.

It's really a sad state of affairs for them -- now that they can't pimp the snake-oil unchallenged they will leave no stone unturned looking for new venom.

Rather on Larry King. 9pm EST.

re: #55 JammieWearingFool

And at 75 years old, Rather still has more reportorial testosterone than the entire employee roster at FOX News.

Not only does she makes up facts, she makes up things. There's no such thing as reportorial testosterone and even if there was it's kind of an oxymoron.

I would like to take this momentous occasion to personally thank Mary Mapes and Dan Rather for 'manufacturing' the conditions that allowed me to discover Little Green Footballs.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

The UN Security Council on Thursday strongly condemned the terrorist attack that killed anti-Syrian Lebanese MP Antoine Ghanem and demanded an immediate end to the targeted assassinations of Lebanese leaders.

Ahead of presidential elections in the country, the council stressed that ''any attempt to destabilize Lebanon, including through political assassination or other terrorist acts, should not impede or subvert the constitutional process in Lebanon.'' The council also wanred against "any foreign interference" in the elections and asked that "the sovereignty of Lebanon'' be respected

Clue...they are not talking about Syria or Iran... [Link: www.ynetnews.com...] >.. cruel joke...Israel...is who they will blame...stay tuned...same bat channel...same bat time.

Sounds like the reaming she got by her peers really hurt the rectum. Poor Mary, first she lost belief, then she lost her job and now has lost her sanity. Even the "Dan" won't talk to her for not taking the fall for her connivance of the truth. Understand she is now selling car ads down in Alabama.

re: #64 Noam Sayin'

I would like to take this momentous occasion to personally thank Mary Mapes and Dan Rather for 'manufacturing' the conditions that allowed me to discover Little Green Footballs.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

me 3

Used was some sort of mind-numbingly complex device called a computer to do a ridiculously detailed analysis of the document font face. It was laughingly similar to * chortle * computer forensics. Wow. Ever heard of such a thing? Me either. HA!

I mean please, times new roman, its a "font face"? Come on people! Font and face. Fonts don't have faces. Believe me. I have loved my infallibility a long time and command you to do the same!

And after all, in my mind I deserve a journalism award instead of being connected to this shoddy and shameful hit piece.

I am Mary Mapes and I will work to do it again.

re: #64 Noam Sayin'

I would like to take this momentous occasion to personally thank Mary Mapes and Dan Rather for 'manufacturing' the conditions that allowed me to discover Little Green Footballs.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Ditto

re: #64 Noam Sayin'

Me too. Mapes and Rather are responsible for creating many lizards.

What was different in our case was the brand new and bruising power of the conservative blogosphere, particularly the extremists among them. They formed a tightly knit community of keyboard assault artists who saw themselves as avenging angels of the right, determined to root out and decimate anything they believed to be disruptive to their worldview.

Charles the Extremist! Outing the Truth is now Extreme.

And mary- what's disruptive to my worldview is bullsh*t lies designed to promote those espousing an elitist, hypocritical ideology, and the people who tell them- people like you.

re: #36 Killgore Trout

I'd say the latter. Because of the former.

re: #64 Noam Sayin'

I would like to take this momentous occasion to personally thank Mary Mapes and Dan Rather for 'manufacturing' the conditions that allowed me to discover Little Green Footballs.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I'll second that!

re: #72 m

I suspect you're right.

I posted a comment there disagreeing with her, but mine are usually censored. It's "pending moderation"...

Rostam Pourzal

This asshat iranian apologist was just on O'Rielly.

He's defending dinnerjacket wanting to visting ground zero.

U of Penn, nice faculty you've got there.

Geez!

re: #60 Cognito

Honestly the thing that surprises me most here is the 'borderline' part.

As in Mary Mapes has a "borderline" personality?

It so happens that Charles Johnson innovated a graphic new way to present documents for public analysis: His famous swapping docs graphic was so compellingly instructive, especially when accompanied by his highly informed programmers understanding of computerized typographic processes, that it justifiably sunk Rather's career like a Rolex into a cesspool.

That technical innovation, and the scrutiny it has been subjected to by many thousands of technically proficient and expert individuals, does in fact qualify him as an expert, by many standards, in a rapidly technologically evolving field.

No wonder then that the purveyors of these totally discredited documents have only empty rhetoric to combat the hard evidence of their incompetent and maliciously inexpert reporting with.

re: #71 Sharmuta

What was different in our case was the brand new and bruising power of the conservative blogosphere, particularly the extremists among them. They formed a tightly knit community of keyboard assault artists who saw themselves as avenging angels of the right, determined to root out and decimate anything they believed to be disruptive to their worldview.

This is the definition of psychological projection.

re: #54 BulgarWheat

#51 Charles

The typo discovery was an historical moment. Good on you, Charles.

Absolutely.

Chalk one up for the good guys, even though the cartoonist is still in hiding: Judge Rules in Favor of Swedish Cartoonist

Justice Chancellor rules on Mohammed cartoon

Sweden’s Chancellor of Justice has ruled that a cartoon drawn by a Swedish artist depicting the Prophet Mohammed as a dog, subsequently published in a local Swedish newspaper in August, does not constitute incitement to racial hatred.

Three Swedish Muslim organisations had requested the justice chancellor to press racial hatred charges against the Nerikes Allehanda newspaper and its editor, who wrote an article alongside the drawing defending press freedoms.

In a statement the chancellor said while many Muslims could interpret the cartoon as offensive, neither the drawing nor the article, could be proven to show contempt for any ethnic group.

The publication of the cartoon depicting the Prophet Mohammed as a dog-like sculpture decorating a traffic roundabout, or traffic circle, prompted official complaints from Egypt, Iran and Pakistan.

re: #79 Canadian Guy

Absolutely.

re: #75 JammieWearingFool

I posted a comment there disagreeing with her, but mine are usually censored. It's "pending moderation"...

Mine too.

re: #64 Noam Sayin'

Dittos here as well!

Back in 2004–I forget where I found the link–but someone mentioned that some obscure website was trying to prove the "memo" was fake. I immediately clicked on the link. People were trying to figure out what typewriters the army used to use. Whether they could superscript "th". Then someone typed the memo in default Microsoft Word. That clinched it. That was my first time to visit LGF. And that was the first day LGF was not an obscure little website.

I get the impression that Mapes was probably wearing one of those Napoleon hats and coats as she pounded out her screed.

"The brand new and bruising power" is now one of our rotating titles.

O'Rielly is now discussing crazy Dan Rather.

"salvage his name and reputation..."

He should have shut up and behaved himself. It was not his job to decide who the next president should be. Dan Rather's reputation was shredded by Dan Rather.

Idiot!

re: #64 Noam Sayin'
Thanks to Rathergate I'm one more hatchling.

re: #81 Thanos

Score for the good guys.

This has the Cindy Sheehan stamp of approval written all over it.

re: #55 JammieWearingFool

I see she also suffers from Fox Derangement Syndrome.

And at 75 years old, Rather still has more reportorial testosterone than the entire employee roster at FOX News. It is a tremendous injustice to journalism that he has to go to court to be treated with respect.

It is a tremendous injustice to journalism that he has to go to court to be treated with respect.

Why would anything in their right mind believe he'll get ANY respect EVER again?

/Was it ever determined if Rather and Mapes had a "thing goin' on?"
//just asking.

The Lizard King pwns Mary Mapes!

Courage...

Bernie Goldberg just nailed Typo-Dan.

re: #64 Noam Sayin'

Thank you.

That is perfect :)

courage!...I am Dan Rather...when I say that...I have no idea...what it means...but it is a good sound bite...courage!

The Left, as it sits in its darkened basement, muttering to itself: "We had the Truth, the beautiful, lovely Truth and all those evil reactionary bastards had were facts, ugly, inconvenient facts! Why would anybody listen to them?"

re: #92 SecretInternetDoucheBag

This has the Cindy Sheehan stamp of approval written all over it.

I got this really creepy hair-stand-up-on-the-neck feeling reading that.

I added two innocuous comments there, but clearly they're being censored.

They screamed objections that ultimately proved to have no basis in fact.

No, what they did was point out numerous ways and reasons the documents could not be real.

mind-numbing internet dissertations about the typeface in the memos, focusing on the curl at the end of the “a,” the dip on the top of the “t,” the spacing, the superscript, which typewriters were used in the military in 1972

It's called proof, bitch. It explains itself. Get over it. Think up a better lie next time and maybe it won't be so easy to shoot full of holes.

No matter what, Mapes accepts no responsibility for this. In the end it will be her and the cockroaches left, because no other organism equals her sense of self-preservation.

Democrats are above the law!

Even confronted with undeniable facts, this is how they argue.

On another forum, I got into a "discussion" with a Troofer who insisted there were still "questions" about the collapse of the towers.

I politely directed him to the Popular Mechanics article that debunked all their whacked-out conspiracy theories.

The reply was: "you can't show me any evidence that discredits my viewpoint."

I don't know if that was a refutation of the article, or an admonishment not to show him evidence that discredits his viewpoint!

It's an odd little disease with those folks.

There once was a journo named Mary
Who's Bush derangement syndrome was scary
She said with conviction as she crafted her fiction
Bush's AWOL docs came from the tooth fairy

.

Charles, you creep. Focusing on stuff like typewriters and superscript and spacing and and the curl at the end of the "a."

Stuff like, uh, FACTS.

Not to diminish the work Charles did, but the guys at Powerline did great work on this story too, and worth a regular visit.

So

Rather sues CBS
Mary Mapes writes an op-ed

It must be that time of year again --- Rather-dam!

fake or not
CBS had no business and was breaking campaign law by showing that episode within 90 days of an election

lock the bitch up (and her pimp, Dan)
or has the statute of limitations expired ?

re: #102 FrogMarch

Democrats are above make the law!

aw carp, now they're back to OJ.

The MSM has fallen so far. Time to switch over and see if a game is on ESPN (Those dickheads have gotten very political lately too.)

Dear Ms. Mapes:

Please produce said typewriter that existed in 1973 - bought and used used routinely by the military, especially for typing quick CYA memos to oneself, that supported superscript and the identical font type, spacing, etc. as the Killian document.

Regards,
Stupefied by Your Ignorance of Facts

re: #106 Retread

Not to diminish the work Charles did, but the guys at Powerline did great work on this story too, and worth a regular visit.

Absolutely.

It is appalling to know that she actually believes this. You have to be either very sick or very stupid to hold on to this lie and call it truth. Especially in her position where she would have actually been privy to all the information that came out.

The thing I wonder is how much Dan Rather actually knew. Now I know he is a world-class jerk, but he also seems a world-class idiot. Was Mary Mapes not a scapegoat for Dan the Man but really the criminal behind the hoax? So she's doing a little pre-lawsuit CYA for the small brained at HuffPo.

In any case they all disgust me.

"They deceived us with facts!"

Wow, well, she sure can't argue facts, but can come up with about 20 different ways to say she hates conservative-types (especially bloggers like LGF). And she thinks we're scary?

LINCOLN, Neb. (AP) - God has apparently responded to a lawsuit filed by a Nebraska lawmaker, and one of the filings seems to have dropped in from the heavens. "This one miraculously appeared on the counter. It just all of a sudden was here—poof!" said John Friend, clerk of the Douglas County District Court in Omaha.
The response was one of at least two to a lawsuit filed against God last week by state Sen. Ernie Chambers of Omaha, the state's longest- serving lawmaker.

Signed by "God," the response filed Wednesday argues the defendant is immune from some earthly laws and the court lacks jurisdiction over God.

Blaming the Almighty for human oppression and suffering misses an important point, it says.

"I created man and woman with free will and next to the promise of immortal life, free will is my greatest gift to you," according to the response, as read by Friend.

St. Michael the Archangel is listed as a witness, Friend said.

Another response—also signed God—says the Lord disputes Chambers' allegations.

That filing lists a phone number for a Corpus Christi law office. A message left for that office was not immediately returned Thursday.

Chambers could not be reached Thursday to comment on the response. He said in his five-page lawsuit that God has made terroristic threats against him and his constituents, inspired fear and caused "widespread death, destruction and terrorization of millions upon millions of the Earth's inhabitants."

He's seeking a permanent injunction against God.

The self-proclaimed agnostic who often criticizes Christians said his filing was triggered by a federal lawsuit against a judge, filed by a woman who was barred from saying "rape," "victim" and other words in court.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

The fracas scared the bejeezus out of the CBS corporate types who were completely unaccustomed to the rough and tumble interaction of the blog world. Frankly, the foaming-at-the-mouth response scared me, too. These people WERE scary.

BOO!

re: #44 JammieWearingFool

Other than serving as a punching bag, what does Mapes do for a living these days?

She's doing what any good lefty does -- she's whoring for Marx. Its a growth industry on the left. Sell your mind, sell your heart, sell your integrity, sell your soul for The Ideology.

Lie a little, lie a lot. Lie about the past, lie about the present. Sell a future you and yours cannot imagine, let alone deliver. Spin and dodge and weave -- avoid the facts... the facts are your enemy. If she can continue to do this, she has a future in the news business... maybe even a journalism professor!

In fact, I think her comments are an on-line resume'.

re: #70 Killgore Trout

re: #64 Noam Sayin'

Me too. Mapes and Rather are responsible for creating many lizards.

That could be taken sooo many bad ways

Time to MoveOn.org, Mary...

Sorry to defame a great movie like this but YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH

re: #88 Charles

"The brand new and bruising power" is now one of our rotating titles.

"bruising power"

That's awesome!

re: #51 Charles

re: #36 Killgore Trout

I wonder if she believes her own B.S. or if it's just the ol' Mikey Moore trick of repeating lies (no matter how outrageous) until they become truth.

If you read the comments, you'll see that not a single person over there disbelieves her.

That's insane...

~ENT

It wasn't just about the type face, (which alone proves they are fake) it's also about Bill Burkett's admitted lies, the non-existent "Lucy Ramirez", the bogus sounding "sugar coat" letter, and all sorts of other damning inaccuracies and fabrications.

But the micro-soft word typeface really blew it out of the water.
Left-wingers are like OJ Simpson. OJ Simpson actually convinced himself that he didn't kill his wife.

Mary Mapes has convinced herself that the sky is yellow.

In a democracy, journalism cannot fear bullies or pull its punches because somebody powerful might get uncomfortable. That's when we all lose.

Is that why the un Oil for Food scandal was such big news, mary?

re: #111 rightymouse

Dear Ms. Mapes:

Please produce said typewriter that existed in 1973 - bought and used used routinely by the military, especially for typing quick CYA memos to oneself, that supported superscript and the identical font type, spacing, etc. as the Killian document.

Regards,
Stupefied by Your Ignorance of Facts

Military typewriter? Let her find any typewriter in existence in 1973 that could write that memo without resetting the paper position between each letter. And how many had this option: ^th? Ms. Mapes? Bueller?

when you are as thin skinned as the left is, it doesn't take a whole lot of power to bruise.

This could suck.

While watching the discussion on O'Reilly, it hit me that if CBS could pull a rabbit out of a hat by "settling for an undisclosed amount" and conceding Rather's point (i.e. that the memos were genuine). The undisclosed amount could be $1.

about the typeface in the memos, focusing on the curl at the end of the “a,” the dip on the top of the “t,” the spacing, the superscript, which typewriters were used in the military in 1972.

Yeah, who wants to waste time looking at all of those pesky facts and details when we can just make random claims and back them up with nothing more than disgust and emotion.

re: #110 BulgarWheat

aw carp, now they're back to OJ.

*reaches for the 'gun-cicle'. Starts to suck on it...*

"Someone: just kill me now~!

~ENT

re: #114 Tigger2005

"They deceived us with facts!"

Bwahahahahahahah!

re: #125 Sharmuta

In a democracy, journalism cannot fear bullies or pull its punches because somebody powerful might get uncomfortable. That's when we all lose.

Is that why the un Oil for Food scandal was such big news, mary?

Not to mention the Adventures of Sandy Burglar.

When Lizards meet the Press.

Mary Mapes is the scary one. She's a wicked left-wing lying hack.

Good evening...I am Dan Rather..you are not...I know everything...I will tell you truth..you may not disagree...I don't like it...if...you ever call me wrong...I will sue you...and cry like a baby...and seek my mommie.

How many nutjobs are there on Kos and HuffP, DU and those stink holes? She wrote a book nobody but the crazies will buy so she has to pump them up. I was trying to figure out how to make some money off them myself. Any ideas? Help me out here.. All I have to do is get 2 bucks from each one of these maroons.

In retrospect, I think the real problem with this story is that it ran three years too early.

Get what she's saying here?

Hint: it should have ran before there was ever littlegreenfootballs.

/Then they may have gotten away with it

re: #132 Cicero05

We could go on and on- how disingenuous of her.

#128

Imagine the discovery phase. My guess is CBS won't let it get that far.

C'mon folks, Move On's not the only place she could go, with mad skillz like that she could be a secretary at the UN.

Meanwhile Maher Weighs in the Swedish Cartoons at Huffpo...

It's funny that he thinks Baghdadi is real, and compares him to Colonel Kurtz in Apocalypse now.

If Mapes had it her way, she'd put all our heads in a Winston Smith rat cage until we screamed that 2+2=5.

These people WERE scary.

We're in your face, liar Mary. Be afraid; be very afraid.

Here is where it all began.

re: #53 looking closely

Again, she's getting into Holocaust denier/Troofer level of reality denial with these rantings. It was up to her to prove these were authentic before running the story. She still hasn't done it (and can't. . .BECAUSE THE FAKES ARE THAT BAD).

I'd say she has surpassed Holocaust denial and Troofism here, precisely because the fakes are that bad. I mean, to know that the Holocaust happened, you'd have to read a book or two on the subject, or talk to someone who experienced it. In contrast, I have absolutely no special knowledge of printers or typewriters. I simply was alive back when people used typewriters, and I'm also alive now, and therefore I know that the typewriters didn't shrink and superscript the little "th's" back then. I mean, we all know that. The mere average raving leftist admits that the letter was a fake, but argues that Bush is NEVERTHELESS an overprivileged twit who got his job because of who his dad was, REGARDLESS of the fact that Dan Rather lied to try to make his point. The capacity to deny something that you absolutely know to be true, and then to actually believe your denial... that's what marks the truly absurd, impaired-reality-testing level of moonbat insanity.

Yeah baby...the American pig scum and the Zionist did it...

..Syria: Israel, US responsible for death of Lebanese MP

Published: 09.21.07, 02:21 / Israel News

State officials in Syria accused Israel and the United States of assassinating anti-Syrian Lebanese MP Antoine Ghanem in Beirut on Wednesday, reported the Qatar-based 'al-Watan' newspaper.

"Those who assassinated Ghanem are also the ones who carried out the previous assassinations and they are the ones who gained from all those murders," the paper quoted the officials as saying. (Roee Nahmias)

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Charles:

The most damning thing you had was the gif that an image processing researcher produced by using an affine two-dimensional transform. If you could make a animated gif of that, that'd be terrific.

I remember Mary Mapes talking about how, in her vaulted scientific opinion, that one could not make any pronouncements about an image of a particular document after it had been faxed. For those of us who know something about image registration, the assertion was as laughable as someone suggesting that sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.

re: #116 storagemanager

He's seeking a permanent injunction against God.

The last person I heard of that was this silly died from a 5 lbs. turtle hitting him in the head. (Ostrog, Montenegro, 1950's)

#126 David IV of Georgia re: #126 David IV of Georgia

I didn't say "military typewriter". I said "bought and used used routinely by the military". They bought and used whatever technology was available at the time, and it wasn't MS Word.

re: #136 kansas

How many nutjobs are there on Kos and HuffP, DU and those stink holes? She wrote a book nobody but the crazies will buy so she has to pump them up. I was trying to figure out how to make some money off them myself. Any ideas? Help me out here.. All I have to do is get 2 bucks from each one of these maroons.

Easy. First of all have a title of the book that portrays how much you hate any major public figure on the right and pretends to expose their "lies". Favorite targets for this are Rush Limbaugh, George Bush, Ann Coulter, and Bill Olielly. Secondly take conspiracy theories and third party interviews and turn them into "facts" with which to expose the right wing "lies". Third, get any ex Gov official, hopefully one of Bush's but if not a Clinton Official will do, to bash Bush and then get it "leaked" to the press a week before you book is released. There you have it the recipe for a number one NYTIMES best seller.

#76 BulgarWheat

That guy should simply be tried for treason and then hung. Really ticked me off and I don't even like O'Reilly.

...Instantly, the far right blogosphere bully boys pronounced themselves experts on document analysis, and began attacking the form and font in the memos. ... focusing on the curl at the end of the “a,” the dip on the top of the “t,” the spacing, the superscript, which typewriters were used in the military in 1972.
It was a deceptive approach, and it worked

This is a cross between Rosie's: "In the history of the World fire has never melted steel." and a 4 year old girl: "I don't know who gave the dog the pot roast but it wasn't me. WASN'T WASN'T WASN'T!" With a little bit of: "The audience is so incredibly stupid and I am SO smart."

re: #137 Sharmuta

In retrospect, I think the real problem with this story is that it ran three years too early.

Get what she's saying here?

Hint: it should have ran before there was ever littlegreenfootballs.

/Then they may have gotten away with it

Sharmuta, she's saying that it ran three years too early. In other words, she wishes that it ran now...because Bush's approval is way down and nobody would defend him anymore.

But...you are sill the Bomb™!

re: #128 Pythagoras

This could suck.

While watching the discussion on O'Reilly, it hit me that if CBS could pull a rabbit out of a hat by "settling for an undisclosed amount" and conceding Rather's point (i.e. that the memos were genuine). The undisclosed amount could be $1.

DING! DING! DING! DING DING! WE HAVE A WINNER!
It'll never go to trial.

Well~

Mary calls Charles and the rest of the blogosphere liars, but fails to cite one shred of evidence to support her claims.

I want everyone to remember this: It is IMPOSSIBLE to prove a negative!

It's easy to prove the truth (if you have the proof, i.e. show me the original and that is the end of the discussion).

Yet Charles was able to sufficiently prove a negative in such a way that the odds of Mary being correct is hundreds of trillions to one.

I am flabbergasted that this witch would continue on.

She lost.

Get over it.

~ENT

Mapes isn't...bitter :D

re: #133 Geepers

HA!

re: #146 Cy_Kologis

Charles:
If you could make a animated gif of that, that'd be terrific.

Make that: If you could repost the animated gif of that, that'd be terrific.

PIMF!

And that's the way it is was

The era of the lies of the mainstream liberal press is over thanks to the bruising power of the blogosphere.

and that's the way it is

It breaks my heart that people with a political ax to grind interfered with a story at a major network news outlet.

It p*sses me off that people with a political ax to grind tried to interfere with a Presidential campaign. Despite what you think, at the end of the day, mary, America means more as a whole than one irrelevant broadcast news network. So again- boo frickin' hoo.

/We're mad as hell, and we're not going to take it anymore!

Shorter version of Mapes screed:

"I am a journalist and whatever I say is, by definition, true. Nobody has the right to contradict me. I can say whatever I want and no matter how it flies in the face of facts, my friends will ensure that I don't get criticized in any public way. That's the way it always has been, and that's the way it should be, and anyone who tries to change that is a smear artist and a crackpot... because I say they are. Now just shut up and listen to your betters!"

Like some of the other folks here, I would not have found LGF and joined the lizardoid army until much later were it not for Rathergate and Charles blowing it wide open. Always a silver lining!

"These people WERE scary."

No Mary, we are not scary, just honest.

re: #148 rightymouse

#126 David IV of Georgia re: #126 David IV of Georgia

I didn't say "military typewriter". I said "bought and used used routinely by the military". They bought and used whatever technology was available at the time, and it wasn't MS Word.

I had one of those military typewriters once. It didn't have superscript or kerning abilities but it could blow the shit out of any civilian Underwood.

Whoa... I'll bet 'these people' were so scary because they disagreed and questioned.

We certainly don't want to disagree or question with the Great Mapes or Rather, now do we Mary?

I've never been fond of liars, cheats or thieves. Mapes and Rather are all three.

Dive, dive, dive...ahooogha!

RATHER LIED - AMERICANS DIED - since 1968. That is all.

-S-

re: #157 Shug

And that's the way it is was

The era of the lies of the mainstream liberal press is over thanks to the bruising power of the blogosphere.

and that's the way it is

thronged upon by the bruisng power of the blogosphere...how flowery...I like it

What the real issue? It's that the whiney ass MSM are having a difficult time with anyone other than themselves explaining the world. The MSM no longer has free range of distributing the news as THEY see it, hence the tantrums.

How dare the bloggers!

Charles?

Are you going to have an open thread for Dan Rather's appearance on Larry King Live in about 20 minutes?

re: #128 Pythagoras
This new episode (filing a lawsuit) just reminds people of what pathetic weasels Rather and Mapes are.

re: #162 Cicero05

The military had their own typewriters not commercially available? Who knew?

re: #151 DesertSage

Ah- good catch there, Sage. My bad. I fail to see her point then.

And this is a ra^thergate thread- Charles is the Bomb™.

I think the Democrat party should reach out to poor Mary and poor Dan and take ownership of them. After all, Mary and Dan were trying to help the Dems out. And this is the thanks they get?

Come on left-wing DNC/MSM - help out poor Dan! He's one of you!

one of the comments :

I'm on Rather's side in this.
It was obvious that his job was mostly reading what was placed before him.
No one expected that he would be responsible to personally investigate stories put before him on the teleprompter.

ouch !

Tough spot for Rather. Either he's a moron for fighting the obvious, and ignoring facts, or he's little more than a talking head and not a journalist. Just a puppet reading a teleprompter

re: #141 Tigger2005

If Mapes had it her way, she'd put all our heads in a Winston Smith rat cage until we screamed that 2+2=5.

THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS.

(Wondering if anyone will get it.)

"In the meantime, this is what I do know.

Dan Rather is a legendary reporter who has spent decades doing his job like few others -- while bullets flew past his head, or while he was tied to a tree in a hurricane, or when he was chasing down big stories, sometimes on foot. He helped guide the country through communal catastrophes like the Kennedy assassination, Watergate, and 9/11. He has paid his dues."

You have GOT to be kidding me !

Ms Mapes listen closely ...BOO!

Good evening..I am Dan Rather..you know nothing...America today rejected peace...President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad wanted to visit ground zero and offer a prayer of hope to his moon god...but nooo..the right wing would have nothing to do with it...to the President of Iran...I say...courage...carry on Sir.

going on Larry King alive is a joke.

If Larry King were interviewing Hitler, he'd say to Hitler... "so -- I hear your jet-lagged?..."

(Bernie Goldberg actually said that - but I agree!)

Booga booga!
"The brand new and bruising power" is now one of our rotating titles.

How can it be that one week the stories are all about "Where, Oh Where is the Right-Wing KOS?" And the VERY NEXT week, this story alerts the world to ""The brand new and bruising power" of the well-oiled, Zionist-financed Right Mego-Blogosphere?

Mary Mapes wasn't ripped by some sinister force: she was called on her attempts to force lies down the throats of people who could challenge her.

She needs to answer the arguments: it's been three years.
Sadly, she only does what those on the Left do when they have no arguments for those that disagree with them.

They call people names and detail how bad they were made to feel.

They keep setting' 'em up...we keep knocking them down.

Waaa I'm a lying sack of crap that can't get away with it. Mean conservatives won't let us fabricate and fib any more. Waaa!

/Please go quietly into the night, Mary.

Pull up a chair and pop some corn - it's going to be fun.

re: #174 ted

"In the meantime, this is what I do know.

Dan Rather is a legendary reporter who has spent decades doing his job like few others -- while bullets flew past his head, or while he was tied to a tree in a hurricane, or when he was chasing down big stories, sometimes on foot. He helped guide the country through communal catastrophes like the Kennedy assassination, Watergate, and 9/11. He has paid his dues."

You have GOT to be kidding me !

what an over inflated sense of impotance...paid his dues?...hahaha

re: #170 Sharmuta

Hey saw you post about the link on my nic wrote explanation on another thread. No, not my site, my happy place.

re: #177 FrogMarch

going on Larry King alive is a joke.

If Larry King were interviewing Hitler, he'd say to Hitler... "so -- I hear your jet-lagged?..."

(Bernie Goldberg actually said that - but I agree!)

My favourite Larry King Live was on the night of the Tsunami he had some scientific expert on and Larry was him questions like

"Why don't Tsunamis have names? Hurricanes have names. Why not tsunamis?"

or

"Can we expect to see more tsunamis? When are the tsunamis coming to America?"

re: #113 kynna

It is appalling to know that she actually believes this. You have to be either very sick or very stupid to hold on to this lie and call it truth. Especially in her position where she would have actually been privy to all the information that came out.

The thing I wonder is how much Dan Rather actually knew. Now I know he is a world-class jerk, but he also seems a world-class idiot. Was Mary Mapes not a scapegoat for Dan the Man but really the criminal behind the hoax? So she's doing a little pre-lawsuit CYA for the small brained at HuffPo.

In any case they all disgust me.

*applause*

I'd like to know from where/whom where the false document originated.

Did Ra^ther just pull it out of his ass or did he pay someone to create it?

re: #182 albusteve

Mapes is truly delusional.

They formed a tightly knit community of keyboard assault artists who saw themselves as avenging angels of the right, determined to root out and decimate anything they believed to be disruptive to their worldview. ...

Now, who does this sound like? Can you say "projection?"

re: #177 FrogMarch

going on Larry King alive is a joke.

If Larry King were interviewing Hitler, he'd say to Hitler
... "so Hitler-- I hear you're jet-lagged?..."

(Bernie Goldberg actually said that - but I agree!)

fixed it..

re: #186 ted

re: #182 albusteve

Mapes is truly delusional.

they are whores...all the 'dues' they pay will get them nothing

Translation of the mapes comments:

dannyboy lied, I lied, we got caught, and now we have to find someone to blame. What angers me the most is that c bs's corporate office and some parts of the msm alliance failed to support our lies and deception. That is simply outrageous.

As with Blather, this is all about her legacy.

The Bush administration Attorney General's last act should be the prosecution of Rather and Mapes for maliciously attempting to influence an election by purveying fake documents, presented from a position of trust. Not that I ever trusted Dan Rather, but a lot of people did.

re: #114 Tigger2005

That one is hilarious too... it should go into the rotation as well with a little change.

LGF deceiving liberals with facts for years.

Or something similar to that.

#173 MandyManners

THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS

Ah, shut up Jean Luc, ya big whiner. It was only a little torture.

/Cardassian

re: #192 HDrepub

Why wait for it to be the last? NOW!

Put down your drink before reading this one...

by Marvin Kitman

The launch of Katie Couric a year ago as the anchor of the CBS Evening News was hailed by CBS as the biggest thing in news since, well, the invention of denture fixative commercials. It was also the biggest flop. The CBS Evening News Without Dan Rather or Bob Schieffer had its lowest ratings since Nielsen began tracking evening news shows in 1987. This turn of events stunned CBS executives--who had given her the famous "Kiss Me Kate" contract, which paid Couric $15 million a year--and the news consultants who thought she was the answer to CBS being mired in third place in the network news race for the past ten years. The news doctors who have been paid millions trying to fix the show for the past year have only made it worse. It didn't matter how many times the consultants got it wrong. Remember what they did to poor Dan Rather? Smile, don't smile. Wear a sweater, don't wear a sweater. Stand up to deliver the news, sit down. It is a law of the news consultancy/network relationship: If we are paying so much money, it must be right. Otherwise, why are we paying so much money?

yadda yadda yadda...

...CBS president William Paley made Ed Murrow shut up--by canceling his shows. In the dark ages after Murrow, the most powerful commentary on network news was the raised eyebrow of David Brinkley after reading a piece of news on NBC. A generation of telegenic and totally uninvolved journalists followed.

In short, what CBS (and all the others) need is a new Ed Murrow. Good news! There's already one out there on the launchpad who has demonstrated his qualifications. I'm talking about Keith Olbermann of MSNBC. He has the journalistic chops and the mind, heart, instincts and courage.

Olbermann, who anchors a one-hour nightly news show on MSNBC called Countdown With Keith Olbermann, closes his show every night by saying "1,547th [for instance] day since Mission Accomplished in Iraq," an hommage to Ted Koppel's "Iran Hostage" coverage, which evolved into Koppel's late-night ABC news show Nightline (the MSNBC show was originally Countdown: Iraq). Then Olbermann throws his crumpled script at the camera, which shatters, a simulated digital effect (something Koppel never did).

"Our charge for the immediate future is to stay out of the way of the news," he explained when the show debuted on March 31, 2003. "News is news. We will not be screwing around with it," a reference to Bill O'Reilly, his rival over at Fox News in the 8 pm time slot. "It will not be a show in which opinion and facts are juxtaposed so as to appear to be the same."

Olbermann, who looks more like a high school teacher than a glitzy TV anchor, is the one who cuts and dices the news of the day into five segments, what he and his staff consider the day's top stories, illustrated with news reports from NBC News correspondents, interviews with newsmakers, whom he treats courteously, interspersed with signature witty interjections (calling 9/11 Rudolph "Giuliani's red badge of courage"), further interrupted by new ways to look at the news.

Bwaaahahahahaha!

And who is Marvin Kitman?

Marvin Kitman is the author of The Man Who Would Not Shut Up: The Rise of Bill O'Reilly. He is currently the media critic of the Huffington Post and was media critic at Newsday for thirty-five years.

re: #162 Cicero05

the SHEEPLE don't even know what kerning is.

being a letterpress printer i know what it is and know you can't kern a type writer, but you can on a computer or a printing press.

re: #173 MandyManners

re: #141 Tigger2005

If Mapes had it her way, she'd put all our heads in a Winston Smith rat cage until we screamed that 2+2=5.

THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS.

(Wondering if anyone will get it.)

One of my favorite episodes.

re: #161 ted

"These people WERE scary."

No Mary, we are not scary, just honest.

I must disagree. The truth is scary to the likes of her.

I just realized who Mapes reminds me of ... Blanche Dubois from "A Streetcar Named Desire." A delicate, easily bruised flower with a bare toehold on reality, who has been battered and RAPED and stripped of her last dregs of sanity by that coarse brute, Stanley Kowalski the blogosphere. Now it is time for the nice old gentleman to come and take Mary away ... "I have always relied on the kindness of strangers ..."

re: #133 Geepers

When Lizards meet the Press.

You can smell the fear.

Hilarious

re: #196 NJDhockeyfan

BAHAHAHA.. Yes go even FURTHER to the rabid left... That will bring the ratings way up.

Being a 'little' left or right (say CNN vs Fox news) is OK, but Olbermann is so far off kilter they would need to stake him to the ground with guy wires so he could even deliver the news without falling over.

And the major networks wonder where their ratings are going and why the 'alternative' media has exploded.

re: #192 HDrepub

The Bush administration Attorney General's last act should be the prosecution of Rather and Mapes for maliciously attempting to influence an election by purveying fake documents, presented from a position of trust. Not that I ever trusted Dan Rather, but a lot of people did.

I agree.

re: #194 Tasty Beverage

#173 MandyManners

THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS

Ah, shut up Jean Luc, ya big whiner. It was only a little torture.

/Cardassian

Yaaay!

re: #198 Noam Sayin'

re: #173 MandyManners

re: #141 Tigger2005

If Mapes had it her way, she'd put all our heads in a Winston Smith rat cage until we screamed that 2+2=5.

THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS.

(Wondering if anyone will get it.)

One of my favorite episodes.

Mine, too. It was on the other day.

re: #197 yochanan

Yes I made the kerning point the other day, it completely excludes anything around at the time besides professional printing presses. I'm pretty sure that inter-office memos don't get typeset and printed on professional presses. Call me crazy.

The kerning issue is the easiest exclusion because there are NO possible alternatives for this situtation.

Rathergate is the gift that keeps on giving! We get to make them look like idiots over and over again without even having to formulate a new argument! Seriously though, it's disturbing that FACTS are thought of as a "deceptive approach". I really can't get over that.

re: #166 neverquit

What the real issue? It's that the whiney ass MSM are having a difficult time with anyone other than themselves explaining the world. The MSM no longer has free range of distributing the news as THEY see it, hence the tantrums.

Absolutely. L'affair Rathergate is simply a cover for what really galls the Dominant Leftist Media: the fact that they are no longer as relevent as they used to be, and that upstart alternative media are slowly and surely arising as challengers to their previous prominence. That's the true emotional impetus for Mape's idiotic clutching to what is so obviously a disproven "story."

In the not-so-distant-past Ms. Mapes would have been certifiable and would have been safely ensconced in her own closely confined, padded world where she could do no harm to herself or others. Too bad she and her delusional, imaginary friend Dan cannot be taken care of properly in today's PC world. Maybe Hillary Care will provide adequate mental health coverage.

Nothing like the sound of shrill,leftwing loons whining and wringing their hands as their lips quiver in anger...!

Hey, Mary...

BOO!

The world-view that underlies all the liberal lefties, from the fop Manilow to Hillary to Kerry to Mapes:

I am a progressive, and thus I am entitled to be free from exposure to criticism, and am due deference and respect at all times. If you disagree with me, you are by definition a thug, with no rights except to be scorned, mocked and shouted down. Is that clear?

re: #195 lucky dog

Why wait for it to be the last? NOW!

It will probably take that long to get it going full tilt, is my reasoning.

A Rather named Dan
Thought he was the Man
And could say anything that he chose.
But a flaw in his story
Robbed him of his glory
And left him with a bloody nose.

So he’s suing his bosses
To reclaim his losses
And prove they were wrong to have sacked him.
When it’s over and done
And the bosses have won
Facts will show they’d been wrong to have backed him.

Burma Shave

re: #184 Canadian Guy

My favourite Larry King Live was on the night of the Tsunami he had some scientific expert on and Larry was him questions like, "Why don't Tsunamis have names? Hurricanes have names. Why not tsunamis?"

Comedian Dana Gould used to do a bit about Larry King, saying that you could always tell who didn't command respect in society because they appeared on the second half of Larry King Live (although I'd amend that to include the first half as well.) He'd go into his Larry King impersonation and say, "Tonight on Larry King Live: His family was kidnapped and killed, he was imprisoned for years in a gulag, it's Soviet dissident Alexander Solzhenitsyn! Followed by Sherri Lewis and Lambchop!"

I'm happy to see this surface again -- ha!

"far right blogosphere bully boys"

re: #196 NJDhockeyfan

I'm talking about Keith Olbermann of MSNBC. He has the journalistic chops and the mind, heart, instincts and courage.

Olbermann? You mean Dan Patrick's wiper?

Many years ago Dan Patrick referred to himself as a talking hairdo. Olbermann is that cubed.

On the main topic, I'm amazed by this comment:

They dominated the discussion by churning out gigabytes of mind-numbing internet dissertations about the typeface in the memos, focusing on the curl at the end of the “a,” the dip on the top of the “t,” the spacing, the superscript, which typewriters were used in the military in 1972.

One would have thought that a primary job of the news was to check detail and sort out facts. Newsmen used to portray themselves as the gumshoes of the media (one of the things that makes IowaHawk's Rather parody so good). But they have given that up. It's all posturing, and, worse, it's all about the "big picture."

That really is what is at the heart of this. News people can't be bothered by "facts." They have a "story" to tell, and that story is as much about them and their self-representation as anything else. This is one of the things that makes people like Rather, Olbermann, and Dan Patrick (and thank heavens he's finally off the air -- never realized how much the nasty boy and Phil the Show Killer really made his show before) so completely insufferable is their belief that they stand on Olympian heights and can proclaim to us the Truth that our plebeian status prohibits us from seeing.

Pointing out factual errors in the story is, to them, at best idle sophistry, at worst sacrilege.

t was a deceptive approach, and it worked.

The "deception" lie in seizing control of the debate by directing attention away from the fundamental truth they were presenting to focus on "facts." But facts are not truth -- it is all about the "story," and in the telling of the individual stories, they must all be seen as mere strophe of the grand epic -- the struggle of the Correct People against the barbaric Luman hordes.

These people's narcissism knows no bounds.

That is why I agree with Charles' initial assessment -- this is not rational "CYA" on the part of a liar who got caught. This is the genuine wrath of a borderline personality confronted with an unacceptable alternative reality.

Cunning Stunt

"These people were scary"

Yeah, that one's bullshit too.

Rather was so "scared" he called out the bloggers using the now famous line about them posting in their pajamas.

Now it looks like Rather is the one sitting around all day drooling in his pajamas.

And speaking of idiotic Trutherism from Mapes, I'd pay cash money to see her and her "panel" go up against Popular Mechanics.

It's like she pokes her head up every so often hoping that gif animation of the matching documents has somehow gone away.

Nope, it's still here, Mary. Back in your hole! That thing must haunt her dreams.

The truly incredible thing (to me) is that Rather has no one to advise him NOT to do stuff like this!
Of course... maybe the problem is that he has someone "advising' him...

re: #44 JammieWearingFool

Other than serving as a punchingvile, evil stank ho bag, what does Mapes do for a living these days?

fixed that for ya.

OT
Does anyone know if Terry Bozio and Steve Via are still on tour with Dweezil

re: #90 buckykat

"bucky" -

That and my cousin Gilad, IDF being captured got me here. The first to look. The second to JOIN! Welcome aboard.

-S-

Too bad that Mary's last name has an 's' on the end of it, or I'd have me a new verb to play with.

re: #174 ted

ted -

Maybe he did pay them - then he PISSED ALL OF HIS CREDIBILITY AWAY. Too bad - so sad.

-S-

The fracas scared the bejeezus out of the CBS corporate types who were completely unaccustomed to the rough and tumble interaction of the blog world. Frankly, the foaming-at-the-mouth response scared me, too. These people WERE scary.

Ya know what fries me second to the fraud she was part of? The pathetic quality of the writing. She was pulling down HOW MUCH MONEY at a BIG NATIONAL NETWORK and she expresses herself in such a juvenile manner?
Gads. Think of all the talent out there that was turned away in favor of that.
Well, guess the talent went out and established blogs - so maybe it's a travesty-turned-opportunity for the clever.

re: #219 looking closely

"lc" -

BE - THE PAJAMAHADEEN! That is all.

-S-

That was the sad and pathetic part of all this; you didn't have to be an expert on typefaces or anything to spot this lie. You just had to be willing to think, instead of lying.
just imagine when this lying crap would have sailed through and lying sadsack rather would have continued his lying ways. Damn, that felt good.

re: #227 wanumba

"Wan" -

All y'all got it RIGHT. AND - CBS Fired LAURA INGRAHAM!

-S-

Ms. Mapes if you're so smart why didn't you do your homework and present a fake document that appeared real. You can deny you screwed up all you want, but if this "document" was given to you, you have been duped, and you really looked stupid for trying to pass it off as real. If you made it yourself, you showed your stupidity also, or underestimated the knowledge of John Q. Public. Me thinks it is a combination of both.

This is too funny! Put please keep in mind that Ms. Mapes never suffered from right-wing conspiracy paranoia and other BDS-related ailments when she was a professional journalist and producer for CBS News. Why she was even one of the checks and balances that kept everything legit!

The thing that really, really scares me about her screed is that people who think like her are in positions of power and are making decisions that will determine whether my grandchildren (yet to be conceived) will live in a free, or even sane, America.

re: #230 Dr. Shalit
I didn't know that. Double gads!

"We kept the flickering flame of hard nosed journalism alive"
= Dan Rather
/just now on Larry King

Ms. Mapes genuinely believes that it's impossible for her to be corrupt or deceitful because, after all, she's on the political left. Whatever she does is excused because she's on the right side of history, the side of "progress". If it kept GWB from being elected, then the "fake but accurate" document was just freakin' alright for her to use.

Mapes is well beyond psychotic.

...the far right blogosphere bully boys pronounced themselves experts on document analysis, ...

What was her pathetic name for the term proportional fonts? I forget.

re: #32 JammieWearingFool

HuffPost is chock full of loons today.

Alec Baldwin offers up some really coherent political analysis, and the sane and sober commenters also chime in.

Hoo boy, there are some good comments there. I love the one that claims Bush is so incompetent - two failed businesses, low IQ, mediocre governorship - but then, miraculously, rigged the 2000 Presidential elections. Something that no one else in the history of our nation has been able to do to my knowledge. Same vein as Bush is an idiot, but he planned and executed the events of 9/11.

And they don't even realize what they sound like. Morons.

Im tellin' ya Mapes IS Blanche Dubois! A delicate southern flower SAVAGED by that brute Kowalski blogosphere!

What was different in our case was the brand new and bruising power of the conservative blogosphere...

Charles, you and your bruising power are so...mean!

re: #223 400lb Gorilla

No, but there's a microbrew commemorating FZ out now (had one last night -- it's pretty good!)

Sounds like a case of Charles and Goliath to me...

re: #234 wanumba

"wan" -

Better yet, from a CBS Stockholder's viewpoint, they HIRED Katie Couric, Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

-S-

who would have thunk it but the free exchange of ideas represented by the blogosphere/internet actually helps conservatives. The Rather Bush NG story would have probably tilted the election in the dems favor in the 80s. The non-stop fawning MSM coverage of Hillary Clinton, Obama and Edwards will continue just like the totally uncritical coverage of Kerry and Gore. How would they govern, who cares ...whatever they say! What is their record, how did they vote on vital issues in the Senate? who cares!

They dominated the discussion by churning out gigabytes of mind-numbing internet dissertations about the typeface in the memos, focusing on the curl at the end of the “a,” the dip on the top of the “t,” the spacing, the superscript, which typewriters were used in the military in 1972.

Wow--can you imagine the audacity? People having the gall to try and authenticate documents? We're talking documents, people--DOCUMENTS!

Mapes's screed is just astonishing. I really don't even know what you could say in response to it. It really is borderline psychotic.

Let Malodorous Mary vomit up her partisan bile. It's a great reminder to everyone that there are thousands more in the MSM just like her, all of whom claim to be "objective journalists".

Rant on, Mary. Rant on.

Ms. Mapes verbiage is interesting:
"figuratively kicked in the head"
"the brand new and bruising power of the conservative blogosphere"
"keyboard assault artists"
"blogosphere bully boys"
"They screamed objections"

From her statements, you would think that she was personally threatened or even assaulted, but she if referring to words and opinions. If she cannot handle words and opinions that question the stories she produces, no matter how harsh she thinks they are, then she has no business working in a media profession.

Im speechless...

The Hatred coming from the left is taking shape and I see storm clouds ahead for all of us.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

re: #221 OMMAG

The truly incredible thing (to me) is that Rather has no one to advise him NOT to do stuff like this!
Of course... maybe the problem is that he has someone "advising' him...

Hubris again. Why would that change now?
Not taking that sort of advice is what dug him into this hole to begin with.
If there were someone like that around, clearly Dan-O isn't prepared to listen.
I also don't think it would be too hard for him to find legal representation that was ideologically linked (or just happy to have a high-profile wealthy client).

To coin a phase.:

...keyboard assault artists...

I like it, I like it.

250 Maximu§

Please elaborate on the clouds you see. Should'st we take shelter?

Watch Dan Rather, Mapes, and CBS take each other down like a meteor crashing into the earth--just as their spacey theories about these documents being real hit the hard rock of reality and burst into a ball of flame.

re: #254 threeCents

Oh...I almost forgot...

Bwahhhahhahahahhhahahahah

re: #221 OMMAG

Rather now works for HDNET which is owned by the owner of the Dallas Mavericks. Any one who knows about the Mavericks owner needs know nothing else. He is an embarrasment to Mavericks fans and EX FANS.

So funny, so sad.

The seemingly endless capacity for self deception on the left is truly mind boggling.

keyboard assault artists

I like it.

The most important thread running through this woman's sorry career, her attempt at defrauding the American public, and her pathetic and damning defense, is a pathalogical contempt for the intelligence of her audience.

Mary Mapes, the producer of that show, provided forged documents in an effort to tilt the election. I know that that was her motive because her every sentence shows where her bias lies, and her words reveal her to be a left wing extremist.

Those who revealed that the documents were frauds that could not have been typed with the technology that existed at that time are called by Mapes "the far right blogosphere bully boys", which shows where her ideological sentiments lie. She is of the far left, and her own speech shows it. So it was no sheer accident that she transmitted a forged document to be broadcast; it had to do with her motive to try to turn the election around.

As for her lies that the documents were real, why doesn't she tell the public the kind of typewriter that was used to type those letters? She cannot, because none of the typewriters that were used in the typing pool at that location, or by any of the private secretaries at that location, had such a typewriter, which would have had to be beyond the technology of that time. And Charles has shown that the alternative hypothesis, that it was done with modern word processing technology -- and merely using the default settings of Microsoft Word -- is very powerful and convincing.

The fact that despite all of the evidence that the documents were frauds Mary Mapes refuses to cut her losses but continues to stonewall and to insist that they were genuine, suggests that she may have had a major role in designing this whole scam to steal an election.

re: #260 pablito

Yeah, so it's spelled pathological. BFD ;-)

re: #253 mac

250 Maximu§

Please elaborate on the clouds you see. Should'st we take shelter?

Shelter? Not this old soldier. The clouds I refered to is the fight I see ahead of us between the leftwing whacko's and the patriots who still love America.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

If Mapes is correct, she should be able to get her HuffPo post (minus the "horseshit"s) on any mainstream media outlet as fact. She should be able to put it in front of any CBS talking head and they'd be willing to read it verbatim from her post.

Unless, of course, everyone's out to get her. LOL.

Interestingly I was discharged from the National Guard the same year that GWB was, and the font used was "old fashioned typewriter" ... like courier.

keyboard assault artists weapon

Dan Rather suing over the political hit job he crafted to arrogantly manipulate an American presidential election, using fabricated documents impossible to create before computers?

Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.

re: #161 ted

"These people WERE scary."

No Mary, we are not scary, just honest.

Nothing is scarier to a liar than being caught in a lie.

OT
I love how the left wing pulls their ..The war is unconstitutional.. illegal.. immoral.. every three weeks or so.. and This law, admendment.. ect will end it.. then congress votes not to do what they want .. totally approving the war again.

/this is the most approved war in the history of the world.. and it has been over and over again.

What frightens Mary Mapes is that people would ask her to be an honest person with some actual facts.

What's Mapes' email address? I'd like to scare her with the fact that she is a half-assed left wing apparatchik who went to the Stalin school of journalism.

Perhaps we will be treated to another Bill Burkett interview/deposition about "Lucy Ramirez," complete with another foam-at-the-mouth fit. I can't wait.

Regarding Martin Kitman's Plan to Save CBS, as pathetic as Rather has been for the last decade, there was, at least, a time when he was a competent reporter and journalist (yes, I am old enough to remember those days). Olbermann has never been either. Rather may now be a buffoon, and he was clearly all that Bernie Goldberg said he was (and more), but even at his worst, he was never as unhinged, shrill or as full of himself as Olbey...and any network that unleashes the likes of Olbermann on more than the few thousands left-wing nuts that watch "Countdown" will deserve what it gets.