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Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 5:50:00 pm PDT
Phony document-monger Dan Rather is going to be on Larry King’s show at 6 pm Pacific to talk about his absurd $70 million lawsuit against CBS, and here’s an open thread to live-blog the weasels...
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JammieWearingFool Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:51:23pm |
One hack interviewed by another. Safe to say this will be a slobbering twinkie-munch session.
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phrobin Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:52:43pm |
Is he the boxing promoter? And how about those pictures of Oscar de la Hoya.
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Charles Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:53:05pm |
Rather's pretty deranged these days, and may say something really crazy.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:53:31pm |
I posted this a few threads back but thought it was worth repeating...
Put down your drink before reading this one...
The launch of Katie Couric a year ago as the anchor of the CBS Evening News was hailed by CBS as the biggest thing in news since, well, the invention of denture fixative commercials. It was also the biggest flop. The CBS Evening News Without Dan Rather or Bob Schieffer had its lowest ratings since Nielsen began tracking evening news shows in 1987. This turn of events stunned CBS executives--who had given her the famous "Kiss Me Kate" contract, which paid Couric $15 million a year--and the news consultants who thought she was the answer to CBS being mired in third place in the network news race for the past ten years. The news doctors who have been paid millions trying to fix the show for the past year have only made it worse. It didn't matter how many times the consultants got it wrong. Remember what they did to poor Dan Rather? Smile, don't smile. Wear a sweater, don't wear a sweater. Stand up to deliver the news, sit down. It is a law of the news consultancy/network relationship: If we are paying so much money, it must be right. Otherwise, why are we paying so much money?
yadda yadda yadda......CBS president William Paley made Ed Murrow shut up--by canceling his shows. In the dark ages after Murrow, the most powerful commentary on network news was the raised eyebrow of David Brinkley after reading a piece of news on NBC. A generation of telegenic and totally uninvolved journalists followed.
In short, what CBS (and all the others) need is a new Ed Murrow. Good news! There's already one out there on the launchpad who has demonstrated his qualifications. I'm talking about Keith Olbermann of MSNBC. He has the journalistic chops and the mind, heart, instincts and courage.
Olbermann, who anchors a one-hour nightly news show on MSNBC called Countdown With Keith Olbermann, closes his show every night by saying "1,547th [for instance] day since Mission Accomplished in Iraq," an hommage to Ted Koppel's "Iran Hostage" coverage, which evolved into Koppel's late-night ABC news show Nightline (the MSNBC show was originally Countdown: Iraq). Then Olbermann throws his crumpled script at the camera, which shatters, a simulated digital effect (something Koppel never did).
"Our charge for the immediate future is to stay out of the way of the news," he explained when the show debuted on March 31, 2003. "News is news. We will not be screwing around with it," a reference to Bill O'Reilly, his rival over at Fox News in the 8 pm time slot. "It will not be a show in which opinion and facts are juxtaposed so as to appear to be the same."
Olbermann, who looks more like a high school teacher than a glitzy TV anchor, is the one who cuts and dices the news of the day into five segments, what he and his staff consider the day's top stories, illustrated with news reports from NBC News correspondents, interviews with newsmakers, whom he treats courteously, interspersed with signature witty interjections (calling 9/11 Rudolph "Giuliani's red badge of courage"), further interrupted by new ways to look at the news.
Bwaaahahahahaha!And who is Marvin Kitman?
Marvin Kitman is the author of The Man Who Would Not Shut Up: The Rise of Bill O'Reilly. He is currently the media critic of the Huffington Post and was media critic at Newsday for thirty-five years.
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Canadian Guy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:54:09pm |
re: #6 Charles
Rather's pretty deranged these days, and may say something really crazy.
Grabs popcorn.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:54:31pm |
re: #6 Charles
Rather's pretty deranged these days, and may say something really crazy.
Like "little green footballs"?
/I'm good for $10
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Kreuzueber Halbmond Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:54:40pm |
re: #4 Sharmuta
Ten bucks says he won't say "little green footballs".
Maybe not, but how much he says "right wing hate sites"?
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coquimbojoe Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:54:43pm |
re: #4 Sharmuta
Ten bucks says he won't say "little green footballs".
Ten bucks says Rather doesn't even go through a St. Patrick's Day without a facial tic either!
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Beobachter Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:54:46pm |
Hey guys, I hate to start with an OT so soon, but I was just looking at Atlas Shrugs and she has this very interesting post up about Jimmy Carter. Pamela says the folleing about the video, which the link leads you to:
This five minute video refutes the lies that Jimmy Carter has spread about the Jews and Israel in his books and speeches. It goes point by point, exposing the lies and showing Jimmy Carter's duplicitous nature in regard to his defense of Arab tyranny while criticizing Israel democracy. It further exposes the truth in his taking funds from Arab sources, defending Palestinian terror at all costs and his coddling of the terrorist Yasir Arafat.
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simonml Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:54:51pm |
You can't "disprove" Dan Rather. Granted, he can't prove his documents are real either. But that's not the point. The point is...
uh...
What's the point?
Personally, Dan Rather taking $70 million from CBS might not be a terrible thing.
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Emperor Bob Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:54:53pm |
Rather's new battle:
Boeing's 787 is dangerous: IT KILLS PEOPLE.
[Link: blog.wired.com...]
The title of Rather's story, Plastic Planes, indicates a lack of grounding in science. High-performance carbon composites are far stronger than plastics.
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FrogMarch Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:55:06pm |
This is what Larry King asked Paris Hilton:
"so Paris, I hear you're family owns a big hotel chain... what chain?"
When you want hard hitting questions -- go to Larry. he'll treat you right.
Courage!
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daddycrack Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:55:44pm |
Isn't he doing news on Mark Cuban's HDNet channel now? I am sure that the crazy quotient in that room is off the chart.
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Cobra Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:56:13pm |
re: #6 Charles
Rather's pretty deranged these days, and may say something really crazy.
Apparently you never watched him all those years.
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egregory Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:56:30pm |
So proud to log my first-ever comment on LGF. If it wasn't for Charles (whom Rather terms "pajamacocci"--a fungus or bacteria that must be sterilized) the story would have stood. How many other sheer fabrications did Rather perpetrate on the public in his 40+ years at CBS? BTW, does anyone know how Mapes' lawsuit against LGF turned out? Can't imagine Charles would settle as he was just exposing a clear media lie.
Erik
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:57:25pm |
If he says it or not, I'll give $10 to the tip jar as my way of thanking dan for helping me find littlegreenfootballs.
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Thanos Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:57:51pm |
What the heck, think I will go watch this.
Carridine: If you are out there see if you can't find this lady and get her back on her meds... she thinks Bin Laden's following her in Bangkok. Suspect those are local politicians she's trying to say look like Zawahiri and Bin laden.
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Noam Sayin' Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:58:14pm |
re: #6 Charles
Rather's pretty deranged these days, and may say something really crazy.
You mean like Election Night 2004?
Boy, I wish there was a Youtube of that.
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coquimbojoe Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:58:21pm |
re: #14 Beobachter
Hey guys, I hate to start with an OT so soon, but I was just looking at Atlas Shrugs and she has this very interesting post up about Jimmy Carter. Pamela says the folleing about the video, which the link leads you to:
This
five minute video refutes the lies that Jimmy Carter has spread about
the Jews and Israel in his books and speeches. It goes point by point,
exposing the lies and showing Jimmy Carter's duplicitous nature in
regard to his defense of Arab tyranny while criticizing Israel
democracy. It further exposes the truth in his taking funds from Arab
sources, defending Palestinian terror at all costs and his coddling of
the terrorist Yasir Arafat.
Look, I don't know what you're playing at but Jimmah (Don't want to start the world on fire, I just wanna keep my nuts warm) Carter, has all the credibility of that Abington guy who was in Jerusalem and give his testimony in the HLF trial. Don't besmirch these two fine upstanding Americans...
/Sarc
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WayDownSouthInBama Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:58:47pm |
Maybe Rather can get a job running Cindy Sheehan's campaign. Or maybe he can help out Sandy Burgler with all of the documents he will be involved with in the Clinton campaign. Then again why not let him help Michael Moore on his next movie. Gosh,Rather has a lot of places his "talent" could really be used. Maybe help OBL on his next video...
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Charles Thu, Sep 20, 2007 5:59:42pm |
re: #20 egregory
So proud to log my first-ever comment on LGF. If it wasn't for Charles (whom Rather terms "pajamacocci"--a fungus or bacteria that must be sterilized) the story would have stood. How many other sheer fabrications did Rather perpetrate on the public in his 40+ years at CBS? BTW, does anyone know how Mapes' lawsuit against LGF turned out? Can't imagine Charles would settle as he was just exposing a clear media lie.
Erik
What are you talking about? Mary Mapes never sued LGF.
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A Kiwi Infidel Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:00:55pm |
Did Charles say "open thread"?
OPEN THREAD
GO THE ALL BLACKS!
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ted Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:02:00pm |
re: #29 Charles
re: #20 egregory
So proud to log my first-ever comment on LGF. If it wasn't for Charles (whom Rather terms "pajamacocci"--a fungus or bacteria that must be sterilized) the story would have stood. How many other sheer fabrications did Rather perpetrate on the public in his 40+ years at CBS? BTW, does anyone know how Mapes' lawsuit against LGF turned out? Can't imagine Charles would settle as he was just exposing a clear media lie.
Erik
Uh-oh...
What are you talking about? Mary Mapes never sued LGF.
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Cobra Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:02:03pm |
re: #24 Noam Sayin'
re: #6 Charles
Rather's pretty deranged these days, and may say something really crazy.
You mean like Election Night 2004?Boy, I wish there was a Youtube of that.
Oh Hoh! Me too! Crocodile tears. It was great.
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Irene NYC Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:02:05pm |
re: #29 Charles
What are you talking about? Mary Mapes never sued LGF.
Of course she has, Charles. Mary Mapes has sued LGF no less than 7,952 times. In her dreams. Over and over and over and over. The loop just does not stop.
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EtNorskTroll Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:02:36pm |
re: #6 Charles
Rather's pretty deranged these days, and may say something really crazy.
I'd like to see you there on the show as well, Charles...a la Bill O'Reilly's format, if you will.
Man!
Bet we'd see the sparks fly...!
~Norsk Troll
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Irene NYC Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:02:46pm |
Did I forget to mention that she always wins too?
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A Kiwi Infidel Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:02:58pm |
re: #4 Sharmuta
Ten bucks says he won't say "little green footballs".
Well, I'll stump a hundy that he doesnt say "GO THE ALL BLACKS""
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egregory Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:03:36pm |
re: #29 Charles
Hm. Maybe Mapes threatened legal action dropped it. Definitely remember reading something about it. My bad.
Erik
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EtNorskTroll Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:03:49pm |
re: #33 Irene NYC
re: #29 Charles
What are you talking about? Mary Mapes never sued LGF.Of course she has, Charles. Mary Mapes has sued LGF no less than 7,952 times. In her dreams. Over and over and over and over. The loop just does not stop.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA~!
I bet you're right on that one, Irene.
Bet she mulls this over in her mind day & night.
Wouldn't surprise me in the least.
~ENT
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Ginn Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:03:49pm |
re: #6 Charles
Rather's pretty deranged these days, and may say something really crazy.
He's kinda fn crazy all the time...
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FrogMarch Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:03:49pm |
Dan Rather is a prime example of the heart of the DNC/MSM.
He just got sloppy. Poor Dan... He's knows he's not the only Democrat hack. How come he's been ousted by his own kin!?!
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daddycrack Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:04:15pm |
Good lord. "The weeds of the story." That was the story. Thorazine?
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Canadian Guy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:04:22pm |
LMAO
CBS was trying to appeal to the Bush White House.
Gimme a freakin break.
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A Kiwi Infidel Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:04:38pm |
re: #43 Charles
"The weeds of the story."
Break out the Roundup
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Canadian Guy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:05:09pm |
Like bin Laden, Dan is now taking on the "big corporations." They must have the same PR firm.
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Bobblehead Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:05:24pm |
re: #52 A Kiwi Infidel
re: #43 Charles
"The weeds of the story."
Break out the Roundup
Hahahahahaha
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Charles Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:05:28pm |
"Big government and big corporations ... are intimidating especially investigative reporting."
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Shr_Nfr Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:05:31pm |
re: #11 Sharmuta
Perhaps there is hope that he can participate in the ELN-WYE phase 3 study of AAB-001 for AZ.
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Speegon Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:05:42pm |
These two dudes are freakishly alike.
Look at the suspenders!
"Don't whine. Don't complain."
Follow the old man's advice!
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americanpundit Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:05:49pm |
By the way, Rather's attempt come-back with that Dreamliner story? It's not flying with Wired Magazine, The Professor of Mechanical, Materials, and Aerospace Engineering at UCLA and editor-in-chief of the Journal of Composite Materials, or a company that specializes in the materials.
By taking a cheap shot at Boeing, Dan Rather may be headed for a comeback less graceful than Britney Spears’ performance at the MTV Music Awards.On the most recent edition of his new show, he reported on Tuesday that the new 787 Dreamliner aircraft may be unsafe. Since then, dozens of news agencies have jumped on the bandwagon. Most of them are reporting that the carbon fiber frame may not be as safe as aluminum. Few have bothered to question Rather’s claims that the composite materials are brittle, more likely to shatter on impact, and prone to emit poisonous chemicals when ignited.
I haven’t yet watched the segment, but I have read the full transcript [doc]. As a researcher trained materials engineering, I consider the written summaries that appeared in the news today to be very misleading...
While there is a lot of weight behind the argument that composite materials are not as well-studied as aircraft aluminum, the reasoning behind the flurry of recent articles may be faulty. First off, if a plane crashes, the composite frame will definitely not be the only source of toxic fumes. Second, high performance composites have been used in fighter aircraft and for years. Sports cars, race cars, and train cars made from composite materials have endured fantastic crashes. Claims that the impact toughness of carbon fiber is inadequate may be premature.
He also got opinion from Tom Hahn, the professor mentioned, and he's with the author of the Wired story.
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Lucius Septimius Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:06:14pm |
re: #7 NJDhockeyfan
I replied to it a few links back, if anyone is interested.
Why is it, I just get going on an idea to post it just in time to see the thread has died? Need to learn to type faster or sumpthin.
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meMarc Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:06:15pm |
This is really sickening. It's almost cruel to comment on such a deluded man.
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FrogMarch Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:06:40pm |
Dan Rather has learned to drink the kool-aid of the hard-left/ conspiracy theory contingent.
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Cobra Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:06:51pm |
"A victim of my own shortcomings"
(none of which he's ever owned up to)
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A Kiwi Infidel Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:06:52pm |
re: #55 Charles
"Big government and big corporations ... are intimidating especially investigative reporting."
So Charles, you are now a "big corporation", you bully you.
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Noam Sayin' Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:07:18pm |
re: #61 Charles
You, of course, mean that metaphorically...
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Canadian Guy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:07:25pm |
"I think most people know now that the report was correct."
RatherGate denial.
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Lucius Septimius Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:07:29pm |
re: #61 Charles
That and/or suffering from circulatory problems. Those can mess with your head.
I remember an elderly friend who, before his bypass surgery, started thinking Robert E. Lee was visiting him in the evenings.
He was better after the surgery.
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Speegon Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:07:35pm |
re: #65 FrogMarch
Dan Rather has learned to drink the kool-aid of the hard-left/ conspiracy theory contingent.
That's no coffee mug...
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Izzy Dunne Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:07:57pm |
re: #36 Charles
"Democracy cannot survive."
Cannot survive without what?
SeeBS News?
Dan Rather?
Mary Mapes?
GEICO insurance?
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Pork Chops in My Pan! Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:08:11pm |
re: #61 Charles
He's on drugs.
Or like that guy who got creamed by the alien on his farm in "Men in Black".
LOL!
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Canadian Guy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:08:14pm |
"It wasn't a fraud. The facts of the story are true." Dan Rather September 20, 2007.
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jamgarr Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:08:32pm |
Wow!Egregory is batting 1000 - one comment, one reply by Charles!
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Kreuzueber Halbmond Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:08:36pm |
"Is it like a swan, with every feather above the water settled, but under the water paddling like crazy?" - Dan Rather, election night 2004
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:08:37pm |
re: #55 Charles
"Big government and big corporations ... are intimidating especially investigative reporting."
Even if this was true- what is he saying? That they're cowards afraid to stand up to big government and big corporate?
/And as if viacom wasn't big corporate
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ted Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:08:49pm |
re: #74 Charles
His eyes aren't focusing.
Charles, he looks medicated.
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meMarc Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:08:53pm |
It's two old men with their brains held up by suspenders.
How about a real question.
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Canadian Guy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:09:13pm |
The factual
"Nobody to this day has proven these documents were fraudulent."
"The brass tacks are in that story. The story is true."
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americanpundit Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:09:19pm |
"Journalism is trying to get to the truth".
Hahahahahaha! Whew...
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A Kiwi Infidel Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:09:37pm |
re: #67 Cobra
"A victim of my own shortcomings"
(none of which he's ever owned up to)
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republic Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:09:37pm |
How very sad
It's all I can type today, without getting the banning stick.
How very sad
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Charles Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:09:47pm |
"Nobody to this day has shown that these documents are fraudulent."
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Noam Sayin' Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:09:51pm |
...bullshine from brass tacks...
Looks like we could get a little repeat performance of Election '04.
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meMarc Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:10:05pm |
What is he talking about? His forearms swelling?
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Izzy Dunne Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:10:10pm |
re: #55 Charles
"Big government and big corporations ... are intimidating especially investigative reporting."
So, which corporation or which government "intimidated" you into not investigating the document accuracy beyond your own paid shills, Mr. RatherNot?
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gibsonz Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:10:26pm |
He is delusional at best,and that`s being humble.
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americanpundit Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:10:30pm |
If they weren't false, which we know they are, why did A) CBS conclude they were false, B) Dan Rather resign? The man needs help.
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Canadian Guy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:10:34pm |
Well I need to take a shower during the commercial break after all that B.S. flowing into my living from my TV Screen.
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Clemente Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:10:38pm |
"Nobody, to this day, has shown these documents were fraudulent..."
/smacks forehead
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CrimsonFisted Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:10:40pm |
oh MY! This should be enough to have the case thrown out. Very scary.
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FrogMarch Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:10:42pm |
I still remember what Mark Steyn said -- no one cares about George Bush's service in the National Guard anyway.
The Swift Boat Vet truth-tellers were way more compelling. They were there with John and they all knew the real story. How inconvenient.
Notice how the left-wing machine dismisses the Swift VETs, and gives any left-wing loon with a fake story to peddle the time of day.
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daddycrack Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:11:17pm |
You all know the first rule of journalism, right? Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
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WhiteRasta Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:11:18pm |
Dan Rather should know about the dangers of building an aircraft out of composites.
He's the world's leading expert in aviation dynamics... right?
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republic Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:11:32pm |
Ah, "fake, but accurate."
Lying liars, and the liars who tell them
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Don't Tase Me, Bro Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:11:37pm |
re: #94 Charles
"Nobody to this day has shown that these documents are fraudulent."
Fish-face King has admitted never using the Internet; it appears Gunga Dan never has, either.
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Pork Chops in My Pan! Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:11:39pm |
re: #86 meMarc
It's two old men with their brains held up by suspenders.
How about a real question.
Ha! Why do they make no sense?
Depends.
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mbruce Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:11:41pm |
Yup , this should scuttle Bush's re-election campaign once and for all. Fine work, Danny, fine work.
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ted Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:11:41pm |
He looks and sounds like he is on some kind of Benzodiazapine[s]:
Xanax, Ativan, Valium, etc.
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coquimbojoe Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:11:47pm |
re: #55 Charles
"Big government and big corporations ... are intimidating especially investigative reporting."
How much satisfaction do you get knowing that you helped put the lie to this fool and his treachery? I think many of us found this site because of your exposure of Rather. And, I think many of us stay because we know there is more things like this yet to come (aside from the great postings and hi-sterical commentary from the lizards, and Ed Mahmoud's weather reports). I hope Rather wakes up screaming at night because of the part you played, and I hope the rest of them are a little more careful because of you and the rest.
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Speegon Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:11:54pm |
Am I the only one who wants to gag when those AT&T laptop card advertisements come on? Cause I hate them so bad.
Someone needs to taze that guy, too.
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Canadian Guy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:11:56pm |
re: #94 Charles
"Nobody to this day has shown that these documents are fraudulent."
Charles? Did you change your name to "Nobody to this day"
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Lucius Septimius Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:12:23pm |
re: #102 Charles
Hence my comment on the earlier thread.
Newsmen used to portray themselves as the gumshoes of the media (one of the things that makes IowaHawk's Rather parody so good). But they have given that up. It's all posturing, and, worse, it's all about the "big picture."
That really is what is at the heart of this. News people can't be bothered by "facts." They have a "story" to tell, and that story is as much about them and their self-representation as anything else. This is one of the things that makes people like Rather so completely insufferable is their belief that they stand on Olympian heights and can proclaim to us the Truth that our plebeian status prohibits us from seeing.
Pointing out factual errors in the story is, to them, at best idle sophistry, at worst sacrilege.
it was a deceptive approach, and it worked.
The "deception" lie in seizing control of the debate by directing attention away from the fundamental truth they were presenting to focus on "facts." But facts are not truth -- it is all about the "story," and in the telling of the individual stories, they must all be seen as mere strophe of the grand epic -- the struggle of the Correct People against the barbaric Lumpen hordes.
These people's narcissism knows no bounds.
That is why I agree with Charles' initial assessment -- this is not rational "CYA" on the part of a liar who got caught. This is the genuine wrath of a borderline personality confronted with an unacceptable alternative reality.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:12:25pm |
re: #94 Charles
"Nobody to this day has shown that these documents are fraudulent."
That's the second time today you've been called Nobody by this man. What a compliment.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:12:42pm |
re: #12 Kreuzueber Halbmond
re: #4 Sharmuta
Ten bucks says he won't say "little green footballs".
Maybe not, but how much he says "right wing hate sites"?
Drinking game for the Lizards that can tonight?
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republic Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:12:43pm |
re: #94 Charles
"Nobody to this day has shown that these documents are fraudulent."
Uh, hey Dan, the documents were found to be fraudulent within about an hour of you showing them on tv.
How very sad.
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FrogMarch Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:13:07pm |
re: #94 Charles
"Nobody to this day has shown that these documents are fraudulent."
See - that's what deluded left-wing hacks get to do. They get rewarded with a microphone and an interview.
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CrimsonFisted Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:13:16pm |
The text underneath says "Dan Rather: Legendary newsman..."
BLAH!
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coquimbojoe Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:13:19pm |
re: #82 Don't Tase Me, Bro
Someone taser this idiot.
There you go. You are going to have to live up to that nic. Seriously, we expect great things from you!
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Cobra Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:13:25pm |
re: #91 A Kiwi Infidel
re: #67 Cobra
"A victim of my own shortcomings"(none of which he's ever owned up to)
Like this guy?
Try as I might, I don't get it. But then I am medicated.
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Canadian Guy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:13:29pm |
"We have to get back somehow to integrity in the news."
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Speegon Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:13:33pm |
"I can't recall being clearer"
-That's cause you're nuts.
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meMarc Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:13:35pm |
Nobody to this day has shown that there isn't an Easter bunny. I demand proof.
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daddycrack Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:13:36pm |
re: #120 Canadian Guy
re: #94 Charles
"Nobody to this day has shown that these documents are fraudulent."
Charles? Did you change your name to "Nobody to this day"
Its always the subtle humor that almost makes me spit my frothy brown malt beverage out my nose. Almost.
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Noam Sayin' Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:14:11pm |
re: #125 Gagdad Bob
"I am not a crock."
Newbies, I give you The Best Punster on the Internets.
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Clemente Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:14:13pm |
"We have to, somehow, get back to integrity in the news."
Priceless!
| 142 |
A Kiwi Infidel Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:14:16pm |
re: #125 Gagdad Bob
"I am not a crock."
Maybe not but he's still full of "it"
| 143 |
americanpundit Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:14:17pm |
Oh, so is he now claiming he was distracted?
| 145 |
republic Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:14:22pm |
re: #127 FrogMarch
re: #94 Charles
"Nobody to this day has shown that these documents are fraudulent."
See - that's what deluded left-wing hacks get to do. They get rewarded with a microphone and an interview.
No, a person would have to care, for these idiots to be "rewarded."
I have more respect for a homeless person, than any of these leftist idiots.
| 146 |
Charles Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:14:29pm |
"We have to ... somehow ... get back to integrity in the news."
| 147 |
CrimsonFisted Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:14:35pm |
re: #136 Charles
"Nobody to this day" is now a rotating title.
GREAT! Clicking refresh repeatedly to see it.
| 151 |
Catttt Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:14:56pm |
re: #141 Clemente
"We have to, somehow, get back to integrity in the news."
Priceless!
Ain't that a kick in the head?
| 152 |
americanpundit Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:14:56pm |
Larry looks like he wants to gag Rather.
| 153 |
Kreuzueber Halbmond Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:14:56pm |
re: #123 MandyManners
Dan Rather drinking game? You're on! Except I haven't put the bottle down yet.
| 154 |
A Kiwi Infidel Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:15:17pm |
re: #130 Cobra
re: #91 A Kiwi Infidel
re: #67 Cobra
"A victim of my own shortcomings"
(none of which he's ever owned up to)
Like this guy?
Try as I might, I don't get it. But then I am medicated.
Longs that have shortcomings...get it? ah...whatever
| 155 |
meMarc Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:15:19pm |
Charles,
Please post this fiasco for those of us who don't have cable.
| 157 |
Canadian Guy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:15:25pm |
Dan was fired as anchor the day after the 2004 election.
| 160 |
peck Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:15:40pm |
We need to get back to integrity. Dan, not so much. He did do his best.
Sometimes, it's just not good enough. He just needs to admit he had a bad day or 2 or 3 or 4...
| 161 |
republic Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:15:53pm |
Dan. just shut up, go away, and live out the last of your pathetic existence, neither seen, nor heard.
| 163 |
Cobra Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:15:55pm |
re: #133 Speegon
"I can't recall being clearer"
-That's cause you're nuts.
Hell, he can't recall lunch.
| 166 |
coquimbojoe Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:16:09pm |
re: #146 Charles
"We have to ... somehow ... get back to integrity in the news."
Dan might not be the man to do it... Just a hunch.
| 167 |
Bobblehead Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:16:15pm |
re: #146 Charles
"We have to ... somehow ... get back to integrity in the news."
Another great rotating title.
| 170 |
republic Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:16:23pm |
re: #148 daddycrack
Crazy people don't know they are crazy.
Which is why the left understands him.
| 171 |
Clemente Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:16:26pm |
"Why would they do that?"
/sniff, shudder, wince, sob
| 172 |
Speegon Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:16:27pm |
re: #157 Canadian Guy
Dan was fired as anchor the day after the 2004 election.
cause he couldn't slam the right well enough from the anchor chair, they moved him somewhere he could do more damage.
| 173 |
Cap'n DOC Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:16:28pm |
re: #20 egregory
Well, I know it wasn't his only fabricated Bullshit story. Seems to me he used some Faux soldier at one time or another. Perhaps it was St. JFK? My memory ain't all that hot, and besides that, I flat don't watch TV. Period. I get all the news that's fit to read right here.
| 174 |
coquimbojoe Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:16:30pm |
re: #155 meMarc
Charles,
Please post this fiasco for those of us who don't have cable.
Motion seconded...
| 175 |
ted Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:16:34pm |
He hasn't answered one question.
King is trying to focus him.
| 176 |
MandyManners Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:16:35pm |
re: #82 Don't Tase Me, Bro
Someone taser this idiot.
Love your nic! Welcome.
| 178 |
Noam Sayin' Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:16:52pm |
re: #156 CrimsonFisted
CHARLES CALL IN!
That would be awesome. I could just see Rather run screaming off the set with his hands over his ears.
| 179 |
JammieWearingFool Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:17:02pm |
I can only imagine which staged calls will manage to get through.
| 180 |
jim_beam Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:17:03pm |
"I have never been clearer... It has never been more clear, that this is the right stance, the right time, on the right issue"
| 182 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:17:15pm |
Its an old fashioned suspender fest! Why are there two corpses propped up on a television set?
/thank God CNN doesn't broadcast in HD
| 183 |
republic Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:17:20pm |
Charles, how does it feel to have uncovered the fraud of the century?
| 184 |
coquimbojoe Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:17:26pm |
re: #176 MandyManners
re: #82 Don't Tase Me, Bro
Someone taser this idiot.
Love your nic! Welcome.
| 185 |
Canadian Guy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:17:26pm |
Dan doesn't care about the money, even though he's suing for $70M
| 186 |
americanpundit Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:17:27pm |
Larry looks like he could jump across the desk at Document Dan.
| 187 |
Cobra Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:17:39pm |
re: #137 buzzsawmonkey
"The cobra had outlived his poison, as a snake will."
--Rudyard Kipling, "The King's Ankus"
Hey! I'm right here. I can hear you, you know.
| 188 |
Cap'n DOC Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:17:42pm |
re: #115 Pork Chops in My Pan!
LOL. I see the good makin's for a rotating title right there...
| 189 |
Izzy Dunne Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:17:53pm |
re: #141 Clemente
"We have to, somehow, get back to integrity in the news."
Take THAT, Katie!
| 191 |
easy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:17:55pm |
What are the odds that they just sit there and drool at one another.
| 192 |
Irene NYC Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:18:02pm |
Charles,
How about you ask Larry King for equal time?
| 193 |
justadot Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:18:05pm |
re: #168 Charles
Smacking his lips. Dry mouth.
Sounds like he's potato chips back there.
| 194 |
MandyManners Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:18:09pm |
re: #153 Kreuzueber Halbmond
re: #123 MandyManners
Dan Rather drinking game? You're on! Except I haven't put the bottle down yet.
I can't tonight. Gotta' a big day tomorrow--going on a day trip to Heap-Big City to do some shopping and dining in a restaurant without The Kid!
| 197 |
Kreuzueber Halbmond Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:18:23pm |
Dan says..."It's a ding dong battle back and forth."
| 198 |
JammieWearingFool Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:18:30pm |
O.J. has more credibility than this idiot.
| 199 |
peck Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:18:30pm |
re: #139 Sharmuta
And he's hanging onto that coffee cup like its a life preserver. He could just put one foot on the ground and the room will stop spinning.
| 200 |
Charles Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:18:32pm |
"We kept the little green flame of investigative reporting alive."
| 203 |
republic Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:18:49pm |
Remember the "exit polls" that showed Jon Carry winning by a landslide?
Wait until November of 2008.
The msm will be swearing Hillary in before the elections get past the most eastern states.
| 204 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:18:49pm |
re: #168 Charles
Smacking his lips. Dry mouth.
/definitely loose dentures
| 206 |
Catttt Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:18:55pm |
re: #165 Sharmuta
re: #136 Charles
Nobody is my hero!
Nobody does it better...
Makes me feel sad for the rest...
Nobody does it have as good as you...
Baby - you're the best.
| 207 |
brent Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:19:03pm |
This is from my sister, and it seemed pertinent since Dan made me think about Bush and guard duty... I apologize in advance if it's not accurate and if it's too off track.
Bill Clinton registers for the draft on September 08, 1964, accepting all contractual conditions of registering for the draft.
Selective Service Number 326 46 228.
Bill Clinton classified 2-S on November 17, 1964
Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on March 20, 1968.
Bill Clinton ordered to report for induction on July 28, 1969.
Bill Clinton refuses to report and is not inducted into the military.
Bill Clinton reclassified 1-D after enlisting in the United States Army Reserves on August 07, 1969, under authority of Col. E. Holmes.
Clinton signs enlistment papers and takes oath of enlistment.
Bill Clinton fails to report to his duty station at the University of Arkansas ROTC, September 1969.
Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on October 30, 1969, as enlistment with Army Reserves is revoked by Colonel E. Holmes and Clinton now AWOL and subject to arrest under Public Law 90-40 (2)(a) registrant who has failed to report...remain liable for induction.
Bill Clinton's birth date lottery number is 311, drawn December 1, 1969, but anyone who has already been ordered to report for induction is INELIGIBLE!
Bill Clinton runs for Congress (1974), while a fugitive from justice under Public Law 90-40.
| 210 |
Cap'n DOC Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:19:15pm |
LOL X a freakin' bazillion... I'm to the point I can't read LizardScript!
| 211 |
Canadian Guy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:19:27pm |
Larry calls the interview "stimulating." "Don't go away."
Commercial break.
I wonder if Microsoft is sponsoring tonight's episode?
| 212 |
ted Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:19:28pm |
He's denying all responsibility for the story...Again !
| 214 |
daddycrack Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:19:33pm |
re: #190 Canadian Guy
"mary mapes"
Drink!
I rarely need an excuse.
| 216 |
Cobra Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:19:38pm |
re: #200 Charles
"We kept the little green flame of investigative reporting alive."
Freudian slip?
| 217 |
Clemente Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:19:51pm |
"Point One: (yadda yadda)"
There may be some delay for those awaiting Point Two...
| 219 |
Thanos Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:20:07pm |
re: #200 Charles
"We kept the little green flame of investigative reporting alive."
:)
| 220 |
meMarc Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:20:10pm |
This is where Dan's nurse comes in with some pills and a glass of water.
| 223 |
Charles Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:20:51pm |
THE LITTLE GREEN FLAME OF INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING!
Hah!
Added to the rotating titles.
| 224 |
republic Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:20:54pm |
re: #213 Charles
A Fruedian slip.
Which one?
Heh
| 226 |
daverx Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:20:55pm |
Composites are brittle... like those pole-vault poles, you mean? I can remember back when they were aluminum, so I am not falling for that bullshit. I am afraid that Boeing's lawyers are gonna stick Dano's dick in the blender and hit "Puree".
| 227 |
Lucius Septimius Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:20:56pm |
My lovely bride's comment is, Michael Vick was willing to admit he was wrong.
Dan Rather is the Maurice Clarett of the Evening News.
| 228 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:20:56pm |
re: #215 Cattt
More commercials? They just had commercials!
/nap breaks
| 229 |
coquimbojoe Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:21:05pm |
re: #196 buzzsawmonkey
re: #176 MandyManners
re: #82 Don't Tase Me, Bro
Someone taser this idiot.
Love your nic! Welcome.
I prefer, "Don't Tase Me, Mansiere."
/Seinfeld
| 230 |
meMarc Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:21:09pm |
Probably had to run to the john, too. Those pills will do that to you.
| 232 |
republic Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:21:20pm |
re: #225 Cattt
re: #218 Sharmuta
re: #206 CatttPurrr-fect, Cattt.
Except for the typo I just saw. :)
Hi a Cattt!
| 233 |
Canadian Guy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:21:38pm |
re: #215 Cattt
More commercials? They just had commercials!
They have to hose down Larry.
| 234 |
CrimsonFisted Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:21:38pm |
re: #220 meMarc
This is where Dan's nurse comes in with some pills and a glass of water.
I thought the same thing when I saw the worst President in our history on Letterman say that the Revolutionary War didn't have to be fought. I switched the channel so quickly.
| 236 |
Canadian Guy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:22:14pm |
So were you lying then or are you lying now, Mr. Rather?
| 237 |
ted Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:22:14pm |
Time for Dan's wife to look into an assisted living.
| 238 |
azcon Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:22:29pm |
Rather: "You know the answer and so do I"
Well maybe he does, I doubt Larry does, and I know I don't. What's the answer?
| 239 |
EtNorskTroll Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:22:29pm |
re: #63 meMarc
This is really sickening. It's almost cruel to comment on such a deluded man.
Now he's claiming that the story is true~!
You're right: it is cruel to comment on someone that is so sick.
This is so bizarre.
You can't make this stuff up, people.
It's no longer fun to watch. Like watching a train wreck in slow motion...
~ENT
| 240 |
Cobra Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:22:38pm |
re: #216 Cobra
re: #200 Charles
"We kept the little green flame of investigative reporting alive."
Freudian slip?
Ha! At least I spelled it right. (I think)
| 244 |
americanpundit Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:22:51pm |
What exactly is he claiming in this lawsuit? He seems to be going around in circles.
| 245 |
Thanos Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:22:51pm |
Note how he went from reporter to supervisor to not-reporter to supervisor to not supervisor in the space of about seven minutes.
Notice also how he keeps going back to "big corporate media" "big government"... and how he is so sure that's why. Delusional. He even put words and thoughts in LK"s mouth and head by saying "You know it's big corporate media" ...
delusional and disturbed
| 246 |
JammieWearingFool Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:23:00pm |
Twenty minutes after this is over, he'll have no recollection.
| 247 |
Irene NYC Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:23:00pm |
"We kept the little green flame of investigative reporting alive."
Hah! That was no Freudian slip. Dan the Man was working really hard on that line to get it just right as soon as he was book for this show.
| 248 |
republic Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:23:00pm |
Dan Rather is a pathetic man, with a pathetic life.
I'm so very Greatful of who I am.
| 249 |
jamgarr Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:23:05pm |
It depends on what the definition of "sorry" is.
| 250 |
FrogMarch Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:23:30pm |
re: #200 Charles
"We kept the little green flame of investigative reporting alive."
Rather said that?
| 251 |
Sharmuta Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:23:34pm |
re: #223 Charles
dan just tipped his hand- you got to him, Nobody. Good job!
| 254 |
americanpundit Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:24:04pm |
How many times is he going to repeat "corporation"? He sounds like Robert Byrd on the Senate floor.
| 255 |
Carridine Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:24:10pm |
re: #22 Thanos
What the heck, think I will go watch this.Carridine: If you are out there see if you can't find this lady and get her back on her meds... she thinks Bin Laden's following her in Bangkok. Suspect those are local politicians she's trying to say look like Zawahiri and Bin laden.
I will now click the link, Thanos.
AND report back...
| 256 |
daddycrack Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:24:23pm |
Lies, Damn Lies, Statistics, and Microsoft Word
| 259 |
coquimbojoe Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:24:52pm |
re: #200 Charles
"We kept the little green flame of investigative reporting alive."
Tell me he didn't say that!
| 260 |
The Shadow Do Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:25:03pm |
"We kept the flickering flame of hard nosed journalism alive"
= Dan Rather
Man, this guy is pure gold
| 261 |
FrogMarch Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:25:05pm |
..." I didn't know then what I know now"
"they shifted blame to me"
He didn't write the apology himself. musta been written by big corporate goons.
| 262 |
jamgarr Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:25:08pm |
As a trial attorney I can tell you with certainty that the in-house litigation attorneys are laughing right now.
| 263 |
peck Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:25:11pm |
If he weren't such a vindictive, pompous ass, I might feel sorry for him. Reaping what was sowed. No exceptions.
| 264 |
Catttt Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:25:19pm |
Incorrect use of reflextive pronoun, Mr. Rather! Tisk tisk tisk.
| 265 |
Clemente Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:25:21pm |
"It was this effort to "scapegoat" myself (sic) and others..."
| 266 |
JammieWearingFool Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:25:21pm |
This drooling idiot couldn't investigate what's on a grilled cheese.
If he had any self-respect, he's have slithered off into retirement thankful he wasn't in prison for what he did.
| 267 |
Canadian Guy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:25:22pm |
"I worked at CBS for 44 years. I believed in the tradition and believed in the mystique."
Dan is saying he apologized because he was pressured and he was a "team player."
"I didn't know then what I know now. It became obvious as time went along that the ... ownership wanted to make sure they shifted any blame (onto Dan.)"
He did not write the apology that aired in 2004.
"Most of it was written by the corporation."
He calls the independent commission headed by Dick Thorburgh an "alleged independent commission" and a "fraud" and "a set up."
"It was designed to achieve a certain result."
| 268 |
WhiteRasta Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:25:26pm |
Larry just needs to add Jimmah to make it a threesome of wankers tonight.
| 269 |
Noam Sayin' Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:25:27pm |
He's really starting to trip up in his words, isn't he?
| 270 |
americanpundit Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:25:34pm |
"We haven't even talked about this "independent commission" yet".
Larry: Wasn't a respected attorney on that board?
Dan: Uh, yes. A former US Attorney General.
| 271 |
ted Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:25:36pm |
Not even King believes him.
Dan's very paranoid and delusional.
| 272 |
MandyManners Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:25:38pm |
Nobody loves me.
Everybody hates me.
I think I'll go eat worms.
| 275 |
meMarc Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:25:42pm |
There's a rumor around that Larry King is animatronic. Might explain the simple easy questions and his odd, inhuman visage.
| 276 |
republic Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:25:56pm |
re: #239 EtNorskTroll
re: #63 meMarc
This is really sickening. It's almost cruel to comment on such a deluded man.
Now he's claiming that the story is true~!You're right: it is cruel to comment on someone that is so sick.
This is so bizarre.
You can't make this stuff up, people.
It's no longer fun to watch. Like watching a train wreck in slow motion...
~ENT
The sad thing Et, is that many "Americans" believe in this insanity.
They may even be your neighbor.
I know exactly who my friends, and neighbors are, when the crap hits the fan.
:)
| 277 |
Sharmuta Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:25:59pm |
re: #264 Cattt
Incorrect use of reflextive pronoun, Mr. Rather! Tisk tisk tisk.
You get him, Cattt!
/LOL!
| 278 |
peck Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:26:09pm |
re: #254 americanpundit
Wait, I think it is Robert Byrd with a really bad botox job.
| 280 |
justadot Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:26:30pm |
He's quacking up.
/nobody goes after dan rather and gets away with it
| 282 |
FrogMarch Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:26:38pm |
Is Dan Rather a troofer? He's showing all the signs.
| 283 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:26:41pm |
A fraud perpetuated to scapegoat a fraud.
/hmmm . . .
| 284 |
Cap'n DOC Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:26:59pm |
re: #226 daverx
Puree
What are you, a Faux French chef? The word is Pureé.
I put the characters in proper perspective on my Selectric.
| 285 |
Canadian Guy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:27:00pm |
Mystery man?
New information coming out that he doesn't mention?
Wow. Just wow.
| 286 |
wanumba Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:27:17pm |
What's Dan gonna do with 70 mil? Isn't he about 70 himself? Can't take it with ya! Say he lives till 90 - is 70 big ones really gonna make his lquality of life better? Didn't he invest his salary and benefits wisely to live well without the need for more cash he can't possibly spend?
Liberal Left always manages to suck money out of someone - and it's always the lawyers that make out like bandits.
Do you suppose he looked first at pesky Charles at LGF, but didn't see enough green - apart from the blog colors, so like Rachel Corrie's parents who went to Caterpillar thinking, corporations have deep pockets, Dan turned to CBS - the closest thing around with moola? For a bunch of so-called idealists who care about the "world" the "environment" the "Children" the downtrodden" they sure love money.
| 287 |
americanpundit Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:27:18pm |
He was forced to, folks! See, he's only been a well-known reporter for 45 years and probably had more influence than anyone else at CBS. He was forced to!
| 288 |
christheprofessor Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:27:20pm |
I wonder how many people Rather has thrown under the bus over the years to save his own reputation will now sue him...
| 292 |
republic Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:28:03pm |
re: #262 jamgarr
As a trial attorney I can tell you with certainty that the in-house litigation attorneys are laughing right now.
I'm a retired bricklayer, and I gathered as much.
| 293 |
Catttt Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:28:11pm |
...large big corporations...
...large big government...
...intruding...
?
| 294 |
Retread Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:28:18pm |
He's weaseling around every question. And what is this harping on The Corporation?
| 295 |
daddycrack Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:28:21pm |
Did he bring his "Ron Paul 2008" painted sheet? That would be a dead giveaway of his twooferism.
| 296 |
jamgarr Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:28:25pm |
Oh, I get it now - it's achill wind that is the problem. Give me a break!
| 297 |
Canadian Guy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:28:28pm |
"The central thing here is you can't freedom of the press if you're going to have large big corporations and big government intruding in news rooms."
Guess Dan likes big government up and until it (in his imagintation) invades his newsroom.
| 298 |
peck Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:28:31pm |
Larry doesn't seem to be into this interview with his usual enthusiasm.
| 299 |
coquimbojoe Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:28:33pm |
re: #272 MandyManners
Nobody loves me.
Everybody hates me.
I think I'll go eat worms.
I love you. There I said it! But, lay off the damn worms...
| 300 |
americanpundit Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:28:34pm |
Larry looks like he's not believing a damn word.
| 302 |
FrogMarch Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:28:39pm |
"Dan Rather was not responsible.""Big Government was intruding."
that's his story and he's sticking to it, for now.
| 303 |
Cobra Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:28:45pm |
"The corporations are being all corporationy and stuff"
| 304 |
WhiteRasta Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:28:51pm |
Rove!
You magnificent bastard!
Look what you are making the Great Rather do!
This is beyond embarrassing...
| 305 |
CrimsonFisted Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:28:57pm |
re: #272 MandyMannersLOL! That was great!
| 306 |
republic Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:29:02pm |
re: #282 FrogMarch
Is Dan Rather a troofer? He's showing all the signs.
He's just clinically insane.
| 307 |
Bill Amos Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:29:32pm |
Rather is being delusional
[Link: cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com...]
| 308 |
Clemente Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:29:44pm |
re: #272 MandyManners
Nobody loves me.
Everybody hates me.
I think I'll go eat worms.
Mmmm! Worm cup!
| 311 |
Cap'n DOC Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:30:11pm |
Shit. I've already worn out my rather verbs... I guess I'll have to see if I can putinize him.
| 312 |
jamgarr Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:30:19pm |
| 313 |
Irene NYC Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:30:28pm |
re: #262 jamgarr
As a trial attorney I can tell you with certainty that the in-house litigation attorneys are laughing right now.
You know the old adage, "He who laughs last..."
We're all flabbergasted at Rather's performance here. But his attorneys might think it's pure gold because it goes to show how much damage this entire affair has done to him and how much he has suffered, etc.
| 318 |
PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:30:48pm |
So, I've just turned it on and I hear "You can't have freedom of the press if you have big corporations..." That was enough lunacy for me, I just turned it off.
| 320 |
FrogMarch Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:30:51pm |
He's coming back after the commercial...
Geeez Larry - Paris Hilton wasn't available? No Hillary Clinton?
| 321 |
Clemente Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:31:02pm |
re: #310 Europhobe
I smell formaldehyde.
Right here, at this wery podium...
| 322 |
Cobra Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:31:15pm |
re: #306 republic
re: #282 FrogMarch
Is Dan Rather a troofer? He's showing all the signs.
He's just clinically insane.
Pssst! Same thing.
| 323 |
MandyManners Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:31:22pm |
re: #315 buzzsawmonkey
re: #285 Canadian Guy
Mystery man?New information coming out that he doesn't mention?
Searching for the Real Killer?
On a golf course. Or, a casino?
| 324 |
meMarc Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:31:35pm |
More medication. Sip of water for the dry lips.
| 325 |
Retread Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:31:40pm |
Not very coherent for a guy whose been a journalist for over four decades.
| 326 |
republic Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:31:43pm |
re: #313 Irene NYC
re: #262 jamgarr
As a trial attorney I can tell you with certainty that the in-house litigation attorneys are laughing right now.
You know the old adage, "He who laughs last..."We're all flabbergasted at Rather's performance here. But his attorneys might think it's pure gold because it goes to show how much damage this entire affair has done to him and how much he has suffered, etc.
He doesn't have a leg to stand on.
| 328 |
StinkHammer Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:32:18pm |
[Posted this a coupla threads back, but seems more apropos to this 'um -- so here 'tis again]
Comedian Dana Gould used to do a bit about Larry King, saying that you could always tell who didn't command respect in society because they appeared on the second half of Larry King Live (although I'd amend that to include the first half as well.) He'd go into his Larry King impersonation and say, "Tonight on Larry King Live: His family was kidnapped and killed, he was imprisoned for years in a gulag, it's Soviet dissident Alexander Solzhenitsyn! Followed by Sherri Lewis and Lambchop! Tomorrow night, he's back from the dead and in our studio to take your calls: it's Abraham Lincoln! Also, the guy who played Fleegle on The Banana Splits!"
| 329 |
ted Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:32:42pm |
Im not a lawyer, but i think a judge would throw out this case as " without merit".
| 331 |
Canadian Guy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:32:52pm |
Now he's saying Les Moonves "talked about (having) Naked News at some point." before hiring Couric.
| 332 |
Kreuzueber Halbmond Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:32:56pm |
Cronkite stock is going up tonight.
| 333 |
FreeIowa Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:33:10pm |
Dan’s pining for the days when you could fake evidence and nobody cared.
| 334 |
americanpundit Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:33:18pm |
"Now, if you've been at the network for some time, you can have some influence".
...Uh, and you were there 45 years, yet you had no influence to debate a story? Huh.
| 335 |
Cobra Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:33:23pm |
re: #327 buzzsawmonkey
re: #310 Europhobe
I smell formaldehyde.
Today things are more casual. Even Dr. Jekyll only has informaldehyde.
Groan*
| 336 |
christheprofessor Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:33:24pm |
Les Moonves talked about "even naked news at one point"...
Get's better all the time.
| 338 |
Europhobe Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:33:30pm |
Yeah Dan, Big Government should hassle everybody but you.
| 339 |
Thanos Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:33:30pm |
He thinks he's in the movie "Network" but can't figure out if he's Howard Beale or the other guy.
| 340 |
Irene NYC Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:33:32pm |
re: #326 republic
He doesn't have a leg to stand on.
Then he'll claim that this entire affair caused him to lose a leg. Really, I'll lay 80/20 odds he'll walk away with something.
| 342 |
Perry Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:33:55pm |
I was never a good liar. Memory's not good, and keeping the details straight gets harder over time...
| 343 |
christheprofessor Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:34:04pm |
"even talked about..."
my bad... (doh!)
| 344 |
americanpundit Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:34:14pm |
Wallace doesn't buy Rather's crap, either.
| 345 |
republic Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:34:20pm |
These people really have no clue about the blogosphere.
| 346 |
Canadian Guy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:34:23pm |
They're showing a clip of Mike Wallace saying Rather should have resigned after Mapes was fired. Captain going down with the ship.
| 347 |
JammieWearingFool Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:34:24pm |
Naked news?
Dan, you have no clothes on.
| 348 |
coquimbojoe Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:34:36pm |
| 349 |
wanumba Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:34:38pm |
Dan, you tried to pull a stunt during the Tianniman Square event to pretend that the Chinese were censoring CBS reporters when it was simply the end of service as usual termination.
How many years ago was that? You showed you were a FRAUD right then and there. The fraudulant memos were just part of your well-established modis operandi. P.S. You can't act worth sh***t either. Your face broadcast "fishy" whenever you were up to something.
| 350 |
Cap'n DOC Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:35:03pm |
This thread is way better than what I'd be seeing on my TV. This is like listening to a baseball game on the radio as a kid.
| 351 |
republic Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:35:05pm |
re: #340 Irene NYC
re: #326 republic
He doesn't have a leg to stand on.
Then he'll claim that this entire affair caused him to lose a leg. Really, I'll lay 80/20 odds he'll walk away with something.
I think it will be thrown out, and laughed out of existence.
| 352 |
Charles Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:35:18pm |
He's getting comfortable now. Completely forgetting the difference between vowels and consonants.
| 353 |
JammieWearingFool Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:35:19pm |
re: #341 Cattt
OT - my domestic shorthair cat just ate a cricket.
Send him over. I have a couple loud ones in the tree outside my bedroom window,
| 356 |
Bobblehead Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:35:36pm |
Dan spoiled his own chance to pontificate from his retirement like Walter Cronkite and to be loved and respected as a wise and seasoned professional. He's a bitter old man. He doesn't have the insight to see that he is the agent of his own destruction.
| 358 |
peck Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:36:26pm |
I'm not even a lawyer, but I think even I would have a pretty good shot as the defense attorney on this one (provided my 4 yr. old grandson assists).
| 359 |
The Shadow Do Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:36:34pm |
I'm feeling sort of Kevorkian here. Watching this live broadcast of a slow suicide. Disturbing.
| 360 |
Irene NYC Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:36:37pm |
re: #351 republic
I'm being somewhat tongue-in-cheek. But who said it had to go to trial? If Moonves or other CBS executives don't want to have something go public, they'll settle. What's so unusual about that?
| 361 |
Canadian Guy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:36:38pm |
"At that time what the network was saying to me ... 'Dan, we can get through this. Give us a year.'"
Dan wants statements from CBS in addition to money if he settles. Yeah right.
"Independent journalism is very important to our way of life and our government."
INTERVIEW OVER
| 362 |
MandyManners Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:36:45pm |
A legacy of the principle. WTF? YOU'RE A LYING SACK OF SHIT, RATHER.
| 363 |
Charles Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:36:56pm |
The drugs are really kicking in now, and Larry put an end to it.
| 364 |
ted Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:37:00pm |
Even 60 Minutes thinks he's too much of a lunatic for them.
| 365 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:37:01pm |
Listen to those dentures click.
/try Poli-Grip Dan
| 366 |
Noam Sayin' Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:37:11pm |
What will happen with Dan Rather's lawsuit?
Dan will win 15% 245
Dan will lose 14% 231
He will drop the lawsuit 4% 64
CBS will settle the suit before trial 67% 1096
Total Votes: 1636
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
| 367 |
FreeIowa Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:37:13pm |
My God. What's the combined age of these two guys? It’s kinda like Elrond talking to Gandalf. Except without all that wisdom and stuff. :)
| 368 |
daddycrack Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:37:17pm |
It like when Homer thought that "Inside the Actors Studio" was plotting to kill him. "I'm going to kill you, Homer Simpson"
| 369 |
BLBfootballs Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:37:22pm |
“...we kept the Little Green Flame of investigative reporting alive...”
Lol, that's really hilarious. :)
| 371 |
republic Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:37:32pm |
re: #356 Bobblehead
Dan spoiled his own chance to pontificate from his retirement like Walter Cronkite and to be loved and respected as a wise and seasoned professional. He's a bitter old man. He doesn't have the insight to see that he is the agent of his own destruction.
He hated the Bush family, and he thought he had found his "dream" of paying them back.
He's an idiot.
How very sad.
| 373 |
Ayatollah Ghilmeini Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:37:50pm |
I can understand that Rather doesn't get it but his lawyer had to look into the case. He has to know he CANNOT produce Lucy Ramirez nor the typewriter that drafted the memo.
Rather used his senior position at a major new organization and attempted to detroy the reputation of the sitting President of the US in the months immediately prior to an election and probably with the intent of influencing that election. He had a duty to accurately present his accusations with the utmost care. He had a duty to have his facts and evidence vetted to the highest standards of journalistic verification (we are not talking mount Everest here kids).
He ran the story. He stuck to the story and when his claims were investigated, his story collapsed. Completely. For his long service and in the vain hope it might minimize the damage, CBS kept him on for a while before gently dropping his ass in the alley behind Black Rock.
Rather put CBS News into a tailspin from which it has not recovered. he destroyed their reputation; the network tried to shovel as much of the mess under the rug as possible but they should be suing Rather, not the other way around.
That said CBS will have a hard time defending the case when they put such effort into proving that Rather had not completely screwed up. to win the case, CBS will have to admit their look into the matter was limited and that on further investigation, Rather's mistake was colossal perhaps intentional.
Ultimately the case turns on the Rather's report a defense of it, CBS will have to attack it head on. The evidence against Rather is overwhelming. The flashing font overlays just cannot be explained. CBS and Rather will be taking another hit on their credibility on this.
| 375 |
Brenda Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:37:57pm |
Addiction to fame must be harder to shake than crack.
Recent examples... OJ and DR.
| 376 |
Europhobe Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:37:57pm |
We may be making fun of somebody with clinical dementia. I'm completely serious. This guy is out of it.
| 377 |
republic Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:38:08pm |
re: #362 MandyManners
A legacy of the principle. WTF? YOU'RE A LYING SACK OF SHIT, RATHER.
This is why I love you!
| 378 |
pdogg Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:38:10pm |
Anyone taking the "corporate" count? He said the word like 40 times. Sometimes he seems to just be babbling "corporate, corporate, corp..."
| 379 |
Retread Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:38:18pm |
Can you imagine Dan being crossed on the stand? What a disaster.
| 380 |
Clemente Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:38:45pm |
"...we will be able to make a legacy of the principle, that independent journalism is very important."
Just glad I didn't have a half-chewed mouthful of dinner...
| 381 |
towerclimber37 Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:38:51pm |
re: #297 Canadian Guy
"The central thing here is you can't freedom of the press if you're going to have large big corporations and big government intruding in news rooms."
Guess Dan likes big government up and until it
invades his newsroom. makes them tell the truth
there..fixed that for ya.
| 382 |
Catttt Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:39:14pm |
What's dry mouth a symptom of? He kept making a nasty smacking sound.
Switched to Glenn Beck trashing the comies. Much better.
| 383 |
daddycrack Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:39:23pm |
Or how about the speech that Alec Baldwin gave in "Malice" at his malpractice hearing. "I am God"
| 384 |
Pork Chops in My Pan! Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:39:25pm |
re: #159 Charles
"I have no desire to get into an arggg...ment..."
You're late, Charles. Yesterday was "Talk Like a Pirate day".
:D
| 385 |
ted Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:39:28pm |
re: #366 Noam Sayin'
What will happen with Dan Rather's lawsuit?
Dan will win 15% 245
Dan will lose 14% 231
He will drop the lawsuit 4% 64
CBS will settle the suit before trial 67% 1096
Ron Paul will be subpoened 12% 494
Total Votes: 1636
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
| 386 |
towerclimber37 Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:40:04pm |
rats..I'm still learning this strikethrough stuff guys..I apologize
| 387 |
Cap'n DOC Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:40:15pm |
Charles - I'm beggin' ya here - give us a somber thread or something, will ya? I'm laughin' so hard my snot is running all over the keyboard.
| 388 |
PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:40:22pm |
The more times he says "integrity", the less funny and more absurd it gets.
| 390 |
republic Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:40:26pm |
re: #373 Ayatollah Ghilmeini
I can understand that Rather doesn't get it but his lawyer had to look into the case. He has to know he CANNOT produce Lucy Ramirez nor the typewriter that drafted the memo.
Rather used his senior position at a major new organization and attempted to detroy the reputation of the sitting President of the US in the months immediately prior to an election and probably with the intent of influencing that election. He had a duty to accurately present his accusations with the utmost care. He had a duty to have his facts and evidence vetted to the highest standards of journalistic verification (we are not talking mount Everest here kids).
He ran the story. He stuck to the story and when his claims were investigated, his story collapsed. Completely. For his long service and in the vain hope it might minimize the damage, CBS kept him on for a while before gently dropping his ass in the alley behind Black Rock.
Rather put CBS News into a tailspin from which it has not recovered. he destroyed their reputation; the network tried to shovel as much of the mess under the rug as possible but they should be suing Rather, not the other way around.
That said CBS will have a hard time defending the case when they put such effort into proving that Rather had not completely screwed up. to win the case, CBS will have to admit their look into the matter was limited and that on further investigation, Rather's mistake was colossal perhaps intentional.
Ultimately the case turns on the Rather's report a defense of it, CBS will have to attack it head on. The evidence against Rather is overwhelming. The flashing font overlays just cannot be explained. CBS and Rather will be taking another hit on their credibility on this.
Dan Rather is 100% responsible for what comes out of his mouth, whether on tv, or anywhere, for that matter.
He, and he alone.
| 391 |
Irene NYC Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:40:34pm |
Dan,
Rule of the jungle. No big corporations, no big networks, no big paychecks for news broadcasters.
| 392 |
Cobra Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:40:42pm |
re: #376 Europhobe
We may be making fun of somebody with clinical dementia. I'm completely serious. This guy is out of it.
He's been an asshole all his life. No ailment gives him a free pass.
| 394 |
Bobblehead Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:41:01pm |
re: #356 Bobblehead
Dan spoiled his own chance to pontificate from his retirement like Walter Cronkite and to be loved and respected as a wise and seasoned professional. He's a bitter old man. He doesn't have the insight to see that he is the agent of his own destruction.
Let me clarify..to be loved and respected by the same crowd that loves and respects Walter Cronkite, which does not include me.
| 395 |
ted Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:41:06pm |
re: #382 Cattt
What's dry mouth a symptom of? He kept making a nasty smacking sound.
Switched to Glenn Beck trashing the comies. Much better.
Anti-psychotic meds.
| 396 |
wanumba Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:41:15pm |
Hey! Hey! Hey!
Now let's not all derail Dan's suit against CBS. I say, 70 million isn't enough! $700 million! Couldn't happen to a more deserving network! Eaten by one of their own. Shoot, a cool Billion. Maybe Edwards would be interested in channelling some of Dan's feelings for the jury with that kind of fee potential.
| 397 |
PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:41:19pm |
This is not something I should watch after an all you can eat sushi restaurant.
| 398 |
meMarc Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:41:37pm |
Why a green flame? Burning copper? Burning little green footballs. Jealous flame?
Reference to the Green Hornet? Somebody have "blue flame" trade marked. How about just "kept the flame burning." Green as in money?
| 399 |
Canadian Guy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:41:50pm |
So to summarize
Big Corporations bad
Dick Thorburgh a fraud
Republicans bad
Charles and LGF do not exist
Mike Wallace should shut the eff up
Dan Rather perfect
Larry King Stimulated
| 400 |
Europhobe Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:41:59pm |
Lot's of meds cause dry mouth. Anti-depressants for starters.
/Not that I'm on any. Nod. Wink.
| 401 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:42:14pm |
re: #5 phrobin
Is he the boxing promoter? And how about those pictures of Oscar de la Hoya.
No, that's his better-looking brother, Don.
| 402 |
christheprofessor Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:42:14pm |
I didn't see the entire interview -- what did he say about the memos?
| 403 |
dmandman Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:42:28pm |
Sounds like certain lines from Dr Strangelove.
| 404 |
Perry Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:42:37pm |
re: #382 Cattt
Seems a lot like he's medicated. Slurring, unfocused thoughts/speech, poor eye contact, thoughts flitting around, dry mouth. Not really all there.
| 405 |
daddycrack Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:42:45pm |
re: #396 wanumba
Hell, that is barely worth one pair of moth eaten pants at a Korean Dry Cleaner on Capital Hill. Sue them for a quadrillion turkish pesos.
| 406 |
Catttt Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:42:54pm |
re: #372 Sharmuta
Cattt-
I'm embarrassed that I immediately knew who John and Marlena were.
| 407 |
Retread Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:43:03pm |
Larry has turned to OJ talk and I WON'T watch that. Trapped In The Closet is on South Park, much better.
| 408 |
republic Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:43:13pm |
re: #385 ted
re: #366 Noam Sayin'
What will happen with Dan Rather's lawsuit?
Dan will win 15% 245
Dan will lose 14% 231
He will drop the lawsuit 4% 64
CBS will settle the suit before trial 67% 1096
Ron Paul will be subpoened 12% 494
Total Votes: 1636
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
This is no different than the recent lawsuit, by a judge himself, who tried to sue the oriental people for losing his suit.
Like a $34 million lawsuit.
It will be thrown out.
Dan Rather is the reason it will be, as it should.
| 409 |
Irene NYC Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:43:15pm |
re: #399 Canadian Guy
So to summarize
Big Corporations bad
Dick Thorburgh a fraud
Republicans bad
Charles and LGF do not exist
Mike Wallace should shut the eff up
Dan Rather perfect
Larry King Stimulated
U furgot
Papers not fake.
Papers very accurate.
| 410 |
jamgarr Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:43:31pm |
He needed some of those Simpsons digitally added horns and a halo of flames. (He apparently took care of the extra-drowzy cold medication himself.)
| 411 |
Cobra Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:43:51pm |
re: #394 Bobblehead
Whew! Glad you cleared that up. Raised my eyebrows.
| 412 |
meMarc Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:43:53pm |
re: #404 Perry
re: #382 Cattt
Seems a lot like he's medicated. Slurring, unfocused thoughts/speech, poor eye contact, thoughts flitting around, dry mouth. Not really all there.
Seeing green flames.
Hey, maybe he's been visited by the Holy Ghost.
| 413 |
StinkHammer Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:44:05pm |
re: #367 FreeIowa
My God. What's the combined age of these two guys? It’s kinda like Elrond talking to Gandalf. Except without all that wisdom and stuff.
Shit, that's funny.
| 414 |
daddycrack Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:44:08pm |
re: #405 daddycrack
re: #396 wanumba
Hell, that is barely worth one pair of moth eaten pants at a Korean Dry Cleaner on Capital Hill. Sue them for a quadrillion turkish pesos.
Lyre. I meant Lyre. That was the Avery Beast (22% abv) beer talking.
| 415 |
Cap'n DOC Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:44:20pm |
re: #402 christheprofessor
Uhhh. Nothing! I didn't watch any of it. And I learned that right here at LGF!
| 416 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:44:33pm |
re: #394 Bobblehead
re: #356 Bobblehead
Dan spoiled his own chance to pontificate from his retirement like Walter Cronkite and to be loved and respected as a wise and seasoned professional. He's a bitter old man. He doesn't have the insight to see that he is the agent of his own destruction.
Let me clarify..to be loved and respected by the same crowd that loves and respects Walter Cronkite, which does not include me.
Cronk is just another crazy old liberal, just more respected.
| 419 |
ted Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:45:07pm |
"If I Did It"
by Dan Rather Mary Mapes O. J. Simpson
| 420 |
Catttt Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:45:08pm |
re: #393 Lucius Septimius
re: #341 Cattt
Did it come back up yet?
She almost barfed it up immediately. Crickets are tough to digest, tis true, but she's so proud of herself now, bless her.
| 421 |
Bobblehead Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:45:15pm |
re: #406 Cattt
re: #372 Sharmuta
Cattt-
I'm embarrassed that I immediately knew who John and Marlena were.
Don't be. We all have our little weaknesses. LOL
| 422 |
Lucius Septimius Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:45:27pm |
re: #409 Irene NYC
re: #399 Canadian Guy
So to summarize
Big Corporations bad
Dick Thorburgh a fraud
Republicans bad
Charles and LGF do not exist
Mike Wallace should shut the eff up
Dan Rather perfect
Larry King Stimulated
U furgot
Papers not fake.
Papers very accurate.
In the logic of MSM land:
F AND ~T
Where F = "facts"
And T = "truth"
| 423 |
FrogMarch Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:45:28pm |
re: #328 StinkHammer
Comedian Dana Gould used to do a bit about Larry King, saying that you could always tell who didn't command respect in society because they appeared on the second half of Larry King Live
Some things never change.
| 425 |
Canadian Guy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:45:44pm |
So who is this "Mystery Man" Rather was talking about?
| 426 |
christheprofessor Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:46:17pm |
re: #415 Cap'n DOC
Gracias... (That's 2015 American for thank you...)
| 427 |
FreeIowa Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:46:19pm |
re: #398 meMarc
Why a green flame? Burning copper? Burning little green footballs. Jealous flame?
Reference to the Green Hornet? Somebody have "blue flame" trade marked. How about just "kept the flame burning." Green as in money?
Methane maybe?
| 428 |
coquimbojoe Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:46:29pm |
re: #384 Pork Chops in My Pan!
Great nic, keep up the great posts!
| 429 |
Retread Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:46:42pm |
re: #416 Ward Cleaver
re: #394 Bobblehead
re: #356 Bobblehead
Dan spoiled his own chance to pontificate from his retirement like Walter Cronkite and to be loved and respected as a wise and seasoned professional. He's a bitter old man. He doesn't have the insight to see that he is the agent of his own destruction.
Let me clarify..to be loved and respected by the same crowd that loves and respects Walter Cronkite, which does not include me.Cronk is just another crazy old liberal, just more respected.
I remember reading an interview in which Uncle Walter admitted he slanted coverage of the Vietnam war but I've not been able to find it again. Anybody remember it?
| 430 |
Cobra Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:46:49pm |
re: #417 NJDhockeyfan
Is Dan going to be on O'Reilly next?
Wouldn't surprise me. Mr. O still fellates him every chance he gets.
| 431 |
stevieray Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:47:12pm |
Jeez. The only difference between Dan Rather and Scott Thomas Beauchamp is 40 years and an expense account.
But at least Beauchamp wrote his own stuff...
| 432 |
FishFearMe Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:47:24pm |
Sounds like Dan's been rode hard and put up wet.
| 433 |
Lucius Septimius Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:47:41pm |
re: #420 Cattt
re: #393 Lucius Septimius
re: #341 Cattt
Did it come back up yet?
She almost barfed it up immediately. Crickets are tough to digest, tis true, but she's so proud of herself now, bless her.
Good for her. A previous cat of mine was not so lucky with a June Bug. Never saw something go in and come out so quick.
| 434 |
meMarc Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:47:44pm |
| 435 |
So? Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:48:24pm |
OT
America is fucking stupid. Keep running to Dubai to make your fortunes.
Don't give a shit about the consequences. Just be as greedy as you can be
and fuck everyone else. That's basically the attitude.
Then one day your actions will have consequences... but you'll probably be oblivious
as you enjoy your yacht, spanky 20 bedroom house and every other
luxury you've ever dreamed of.
I personally know of architects and other professionals who have
run the 100 yard dash with their tongues hanging out so they could
make Sheikaholic dollars.
America has become blind. Same goes for how it runs to China to make a buck.
[Link: www.wnd.com...]
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing about making money.
But choose your business partners wisely, not ones
that wouldn't hesitate for a moment to bite you in the ass.
| 436 |
ted Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:48:32pm |
re: #420 Cattt
re: #393 Lucius Septimius
re: #341 CatttDid it come back up yet?
She almost barfed it up immediately. Crickets are tough to digest, tis true, but she's so proud of herself now, bless her.
Do the sell enemas for cats?
| 437 |
Lucius Septimius Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:48:36pm |
re: #434 meMarc
Looks like Abraham Lincoln. Sort of.
| 438 |
Retread Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:48:36pm |
Dan and OJ can both look for the Mystery Man. If Dan is such a good investigative journalist he ought to be able to find him by the end of next week.
| 439 |
FishFearMe Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:48:37pm |
And like that old country song says: Dan, "your nobody called today"
| 440 |
FrogMarch Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:48:46pm |
re: #409 Irene NYC
re: #399 Canadian Guy
So to summarize
Big Corporations bad
Dick Thorburgh a fraud
Republicans bad
Charles and LGF do not exist
Mike Wallace should shut the eff up
Dan Rather perfect
Larry King StimulatedU furgot
Papers not fake.
Papers very accurate.
Sez so on Huffpo
| 441 |
Lucius Septimius Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:49:01pm |
re: #436 ted
re: #420 Cattt
re: #393 Lucius Septimius
re: #341 CatttDid it come back up yet?
She almost barfed it up immediately. Crickets are tough to digest, tis true, but she's so proud of herself now, bless her.
Do the sell enemas for cats?
Yes. And they're not cheap.
| 442 |
bushleague Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:49:07pm |
re: #427 FreeIowa
re: #398 meMarc
Why a green flame? Burning copper? Burning little green footballs. Jealous flame?
Reference to the Green Hornet? Somebody have "blue flame" trade marked. How about just "kept the flame burning." Green as in money?Methane maybe?
Well Played all evening. #367 was genius.
| 443 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:49:30pm |
re: #382 Cattt
What's dry mouth a symptom of? He kept making a nasty smacking sound.
Switched to Glenn Beck trashing the comies. Much better.
I did that too. He had Ed Koch on who suggested that the security team assigned to protecting dinnerjacket be made entirely up of Jewish volunteers.
| 445 |
Bobblehead Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:49:44pm |
re: #434 meMarc
re: #425 Canadian Guy
So who is this "Mystery Man" Rather was talking about?
LOL
| 446 |
Cap'n DOC Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:49:45pm |
re: #425 Canadian Guy
So who is this "Mystery Man" Rather was talking about?
That would be Sandy "In my pants" Berger. And the SelecTrick typewriter was in there as well.
| 447 |
Catttt Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:50:19pm |
re: #433 Lucius Septimius
re: #420 Cattt
re: #393 Lucius Septimius
re: #341 CatttDid it come back up yet?
She almost barfed it up immediately. Crickets are tough to digest, tis true, but she's so proud of herself now, bless her.
Good for her. A previous cat of mine was not so lucky with a June Bug. Never saw something go in and come out so quick.
Yuck. June bugs are bad news. My daddy used to say when you step on one, you can feel it lift your foot up.
| 448 |
Canadian Guy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:50:37pm |
And here's Dan's witness who is going to reveal to the judge who the Mystery Man was?
| 449 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:50:39pm |
re: #432 FishFearMe
Sounds like Dan's been rode hard and put up wet.
By Mary Mapes?
/ewww
| 450 |
egregory Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:50:42pm |
re: #173 Cap'n DOC
Me 2. Fox and LGF...The remainder are terror sympathizers (oh, sorry, "freedom fighters")
| 451 |
EtNorskTroll Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:50:57pm |
re: #336 christheprofessor
Les Moonves talked about "even naked news at one point"...
Get's better all the time.
I thought that was what he said, Chris...but I couldn't be sure.
I just assumed my hearing was going.
Was that what he really said?!?
Oh.
My.
Goodness.
This is getting worse & worse.
~ENT
| 452 |
HDrepub Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:51:20pm |
Rather: Wrong from the Beginning
Even in 1963, Dan Rather was a poor excuse for a newsman.
by Philip Chalk
03/14/2005
WHEN CBS ANNOUNCED THAT IT will smile through the pain of Dan Rather's dying credibility with an hour-long retirement tribute in early March, the network released an image of a young Rather posing in front of the Texas School Book Depository, looking gravely into the distance. While a little nostalgia was understandable--what, no photo of Rather huddled over a fax machine last October?--CBS still managed to remind those who knew the anchor during his salad days in Texas how tendentious and unprincipled he was even then.
Eddie Barker, for one, remembers. The news director for CBS's radio and TV affiliates in Dallas at the time of President Kennedy's November 22, 1963, assassination, Barker is widely credited with first reporting on the air that the president was dead, having received word through a doctor acquaintance directly from the hospital ER. Rather, then based in Dallas as a reporter for CBS's national news broadcast and working out of Barker's newsroom, later took credit for the scoop, Barker says. The error is repeated in historical accounts often enough to annoy the now-retired Barker, though he says the falsehood was later acknowledged by Rather.
It was a different lie--one delivered on national news, and at the expense of children--that caused Rather trouble at the time. As reporters from around the world descended on the Texas city, Rather went on the air with a local Methodist minister who made a stunning claim: Children at Dallas's University Park Elementary School had cheered when told of the president's death.
The tale was perfect for the moment, reinforcing the notion among distant media elites that Dallas was a reactionary "City of Hate." It slyly played to a local audience, too: The school named was in upper-income University Park, one of two adjacent municipal enclaves that shared a school district and a reputation for fiercely protected, lily-white privilege. Finally, for the ambitious Rather--a native Texan and then a Dallas resident--the account represented the very sort of revealing, local dirt that the throngs of out-of-town competitors would have to work far harder to get. Except that it wasn't true, and Rather knew it, Barker says.
cont'd next comment
| 453 |
traveler Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:51:29pm |
If given the chance to be his interviewer, I'd ask the same request of Dan Rather that I'd ask of Mary Mapes: "Describe a bad journalist for me."
| 454 |
Lucius Septimius Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:51:39pm |
re: #443 NJDhockeyfan
re: #382 Cattt
What's dry mouth a symptom of? He kept making a nasty smacking sound.
Switched to Glenn Beck trashing the comies. Much better.
I did that too. He had Ed Koch on who suggested that the security team assigned to protecting dinnerjacket be made entirely up of Jewish volunteers.
I'm glad to see Ed Koch has come around to (mostly) our side. And I think that's a splendid idea.
| 455 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:51:45pm |
Hey, Jason Mattera is on Hannity & Skeletor!
| 456 |
PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:51:48pm |
So I switched to "Hannity and Colmes" and they just covered the kid who got tazered for being moonbattier than Hanoi John. And there is this homicide detective, who says "anyone who listens to John Kerry should be tazered." It was priceless!
| 457 |
Capt_Faust Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:51:58pm |
re: #434 meMarc
re: #425 Canadian Guy
So who is this "Mystery Man" Rather was talking about?"Mystery Guy"
LOL...now that is funny!
| 458 |
meMarc Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:52:22pm |
re: #427 FreeIowa
re: #398 meMarc
Why a green flame? Burning copper? Burning little green footballs. Jealous flame?
Reference to the Green Hornet? Somebody have "blue flame" trade marked. How about just "kept the flame burning." Green as in money?Methane maybe?
Should have thought of that. It would explain his eyes going in and out of focus.
The obvious answers are always right under your nose.
| 459 |
HDrepub Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:52:59pm |
Part 2
Approached earlier by the same minister with what was a second-hand account, Barker himself had run the story by the school's principal and some teachers, all of whom denied it outright. Because of the shooting, which took place at 12:30 p.m., the principal had decided to close the school early, though without telling the students why. The children at the school--including three of Barker's own--were merely happy to be going home early, he was told. There couldn't have been any spontaneous cheering at the news of Kennedy's murder, because no such news had been announced.
Undaunted, the dogged minister--"a very, very strong liberal and a very, very strong Kennedy supporter," Barker says--moved on to Rather.
"Rather came to me, and I said, 'My kids are in school there, and I checked it out, and there's not a darn thing to it,'" says Barker. "He said, 'Well, great--I'll just forget it.' But instead of forgetting it, he went out and did this gut job on Dallas and its conservatism," with the preacher's story at the center of his report.
With the discredited account likely to be challenged by the local affiliate's editors before being fed to New York, Rather sidestepped a customary film-editing session with Barker and arranged to file the report live instead, Barker says. "And so here's Dan with the preacher, telling this story about kids at UP cheering when told the president was dead."
Livid at being lied to, Barker laid into Rather as soon as he returned to the newsroom, expelling the reporter and all his national-news colleagues from the building on the spot. "I said 'Get the hell out of here--you and this whole damn bunch!'" he says.
Barker's local TV and radio crews scrambled to arrange on-air interviews with teachers to rebut the story, but the lie had already traveled halfway around the world and would become an enduring part of JFK assassination lore. In the meantime, CBS was threatening to pull its affiliation with the two local stations for having given Rather and his colleagues the boot.
"The next day I let him back in," Barker says. "But I wanted to make darn sure that he knew he couldn't pull that kind of crap with me."
While well-known in broadcast-news circles, the incident did nothing to slow Rather's rise; his Kennedy coverage was decisive in his eventual move up to CBS's New York headquarters. "You have to give him credit," says Barker. "He's a very aggressive guy."
Aggressive to a fault, as the ignominious end of his four-plus decades at CBS makes plain. As Barker himself--a CBS newsman for most of his career says.
Philip Chalk, member of the University Park Elementary class of 1974, is production director at The Weekly Standard.
| 460 |
EtNorskTroll Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:53:11pm |
re: #407 Retread
Larry has turned to OJ talk and I WON'T watch that. Trapped In The Closet is on South Park, much better.
*reaches for the gun*
"Where's the trigger on this thing...?"
BLAM~!
Ahhh...much better~!
~ENT
| 463 |
Racer X Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:54:07pm |
When a "talking head" gets old and begins to utter nonsense, this will now be known as getting "Rathered".
i.e. "He was a great sportscaster back in the day, but he is now way too Rathered".
| 464 |
Catttt Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:54:23pm |
re: #455 Ward Cleaver
Hey, Jason Mattera is on Hannity & Skeletor!
Oh shoot. I'm just in time to hear Nasal Annoying Whiner Fleming.
| 465 |
rawmuse Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:54:23pm |
Thanks for the thread. Now i don't have to watch it. Congrats Charles on the coup. All hail Charles the Fraud Slayer!
| 466 |
christheprofessor Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:55:02pm |
re: #451 EtNorskTroll
I may have misplaced the "even" (didn't change the meaning) but that is what he said...
| 467 |
stevieray Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:55:08pm |
I wonder how Dan's performance is playing among the moonbats? Anybody check?
| 468 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:55:54pm |
re: #464 Cattt
re: #455 Ward Cleaver
Hey, Jason Mattera is on Hannity & Skeletor!
Oh shoot. I'm just in time to hear Nasal Annoying Whiner Fleming.
She should just dummy up and look good.
| 470 |
jamgarr Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:56:11pm |
I can't stand the way H&C allows all the crosstalking argument!
| 471 |
zmdavid Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:56:19pm |
What percent of rotating titles are Dan Rather quotes?
| 472 |
Cap'n DOC Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:56:30pm |
re: #465 rawmuse
Ditto to that, Charles. I don't know when the last time was that I enjoyed (in my pajamas) a thread this much.
| 473 |
Thanos Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:56:37pm |
At the end he got to what it's really about... the L word. He's finally grasped that in forty years more people will know about President Bush than Dan Rather.
Legacy - what you leave behind -- with Dan it's a stack of lies.
| 474 |
Retread Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:56:39pm |
"If Tom Cruise and John Travolta don't come out of the closet I'm gonna cap this bitch."
| 475 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:56:46pm |
re: #467 stevieray
I wonder how Dan's performance is playing among the moonbats? Anybody check?
So you're volunterring? Sorry, I just ate.
| 476 |
So? Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:56:49pm |
re: #15 simonml
You can't "disprove" Dan Rather. Granted, he can't prove his documents are real either. But that's not the point. The point is...
uh...
What's the point?
Personally, Dan Rather taking $70 million from CBS might not be a terrible thing.
I hope he wins...will serve CBS right for putting Dinnerjacket on 60 minutes this sunday...barf...
| 477 |
Cobra Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:56:53pm |
re: #459 HDrepub
Interesting read. May I ask where from? It's a keeper.
| 478 |
Bodyguardeagle Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:57:23pm |
re: #21 Sharmuta
If he says it or not, I'll give $10 to the tip jar as my way of thanking dan for helping me find littlegreenfootballs.
***
***
I'LL SECOND THAT DONATION...
Do we send it in to: TIP JAR ? or list on taxes as 'RATHER NOT '!
| 479 |
FreeIowa Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:57:35pm |
re: #463 Racer X
When a "talking head" gets old and begins to utter nonsense, this will now be known as getting "Rathered".
i.e. "He was a great sportscaster back in the day, but he is now way too Rathered".
Nice. I like that. "He was tired and rathered, nodding into his evening oatmeal..."
| 480 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:57:56pm |
re: #474 Retread
"If Tom Cruise and John Travolta don't come out of the closet I'm gonna cap this bitch."
Whuuut?
| 481 |
Born Again Republican Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:58:11pm |
re: #470 jamgarr
I can't stand the way H&C allows all the crosstalking argument!
That's their style always has been. Been a mystery to me why it's been so successful.
| 482 |
Cobra Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:59:00pm |
re: #480 Ward Cleaver
re: #474 Retread
"If Tom Cruise and John Travolta don't come out of the closet I'm gonna cap this bitch."
Whuuut?
lol. He's watching South Park.
| 483 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:59:21pm |
re: #479 FreeIowa
re: #463 Racer X
When a "talking head" gets old and begins to utter nonsense, this will now be known as getting "Rathered".i.e. "He was a great sportscaster back in the day, but he is now way too Rathered".
Nice. I like that. "He was tired and rathered, nodding into his evening oatmeal..."
Walking around the house, turning off lights, and quacking like a duck.
| 484 |
Catttt Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:59:28pm |
re: #468 Ward Cleaver
re: #464 Cattt
re: #455 Ward Cleaver
Hey, Jason Mattera is on Hannity & Skeletor!
Oh shoot. I'm just in time to hear Nasal Annoying Whiner Fleming.
She should just dummy up and look good.
| 486 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:59:46pm |
re: #481 Born Again Republican
re: #470 jamgarr
I can't stand the way H&C allows all the crosstalking argument!
That's their style always has been. Been a mystery to me why it's been so successful.
Since OJ got back in the news it's been half a show...one half OJ, one half other stuff. I can't watch it right now. Glenn Beck is much better IMHO.
| 487 |
EtNorskTroll Thu, Sep 20, 2007 6:59:51pm |
Update: "We haunt his dreams."
It's nothing I'm proud of, Charles.
This guy is sick in the head. That performance that I saw was deplorable.
I would think less of anyone for gloating or crowing over this guy's foibles.
He's so far out of it, it's not even funny.
Literally.
~Norsk Troll
| 488 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:00:03pm |
re: #482 Cobra
re: #480 Ward Cleaver
re: #474 Retread
"If Tom Cruise and John Travolta don't come out of the closet I'm gonna cap this bitch."
Whuuut?
lol. He's watching South Park.
Oh, that one.
| 491 |
Cap'n DOC Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:01:44pm |
re: #479 FreeIowa
Crap. You got that verb trademarked yet? I already had dibs on murtha and putinize, and I thought I had the corner on rather. Obviously not.
What's a verb between Lizards, anyway?
| 492 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:01:49pm |
Back to all OJ, all the time.
Who's this blonde crackwhore?
| 493 |
FreeIowa Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:02:03pm |
re: #483 Ward Cleaver
re: #479 FreeIowa
re: #463 Racer X
When a "talking head" gets old and begins to utter nonsense, this will now be known as getting "Rathered".i.e. "He was a great sportscaster back in the day, but he is now way too Rathered".
Nice. I like that. "He was tired and rathered, nodding into his evening oatmeal..."Walking around the house, turning off lights, and quacking like a duck.
In the darkened windows flickered the reflections of a dozen little green flames...
| 494 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:02:40pm |
Update: "We haunt his dreams."
"What's the frequency, Kenneth?"
| 495 |
Bobblehead Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:02:51pm |
Dedicated to "the Little Green Flame" of Little Green Footballs
| 496 |
MandyManners Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:03:11pm |
re: #459 HDrepub
I am literally sick to my stomach, HD.
My mother once adored--no, worshipped--Dan Rather. At the end of every broadcast, she'd say, "Good night, honey."
After this episode, she loathes him.
| 497 |
DoubleU Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:04:32pm |
re: #254 americanpundit
How many times is he going to repeat "corporation"? He sounds like Robert Byrd on the Senate floor.
It fits the leftist communist template.
| 498 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:04:32pm |
re: #352 Charles
He's getting comfortable now. Completely forgetting the difference between vowels and consonants.
Did he eat a whole bottle of Xanax?
| 499 |
Thanos Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:05:55pm |
One of the characteristics of the memos, which were immediately jumped on by right wing bloggers, was the appearance of superscript. This is the lower case abbreviation that often follows numerical designations like 5th or 3rd. According to the critics of the memos, superscript did not exist on IBM typewriters at the time the memos were supposedly written. Several researchers reported otherwise, however, that at least one model, the IBM Executive II was moving into the marketplace and had superscript available by using the "shift" key.
As the controversy over the Guard increased during the 2004 campaign, the White House began a series of Friday night document dumps, claiming they had discovered new material related to the president's Guard service. Although I was originally told there were only 161 pages, the final number was more than 300. The last document dump occurred about a week after Dan Rather's apologia on his former network's newscast. This was a single page memo promoting 2nd Lt. George W. Bush to 1st Lt. and it used superscript. The media took no notice that this piece of evidence completely contradicted the most powerful criticism of the Rathergate memos.
| 500 |
Retread Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:05:58pm |
re: #480 Ward Cleaver
re: #474 Retread
"If Tom Cruise and John Travolta don't come out of the closet I'm gonna cap this bitch."
Whuuut?
From a South Park episode I switched to after Document Dan was over.
| 501 |
FishFearMe Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:06:46pm |
New Star Trek quote:
"He's Dan, Jim. He's been Rathered"
| 502 |
Born Again Republican Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:07:07pm |
re: #486 NJDhockeyfan
Since OJ got back in the news it's been half a show...one half OJ, one half other stuff. I can't watch it right now. Glenn Beck is much better IMHO.
I've only seen Glenn's shows on Islam. He thoroughly covers his subject matter but I wish he'd tone down his 'excitability' act. Reminds me why I stopped watching news in the first place, became entertainment.
| 503 |
looking closely Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:08:33pm |
re: #373 Ayatollah Ghilmeini
CBS and Rather will be taking another hit on their credibility on this.
So you're saying we all come out ahead?
Rather is already 75 years old.
I wonder if CBS can just drag their feet leaving Rather to squander what *should* be an enjoyable retirement over this for years.
| 504 |
bikermailman Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:09:56pm |
| 505 |
HDrepub Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:10:42pm |
re: #496 MandyManners
I loathed Rather and Cronkite many years ago Mandy, during my military days. I'm like William T. Sherman, where war is concerned the news men should all be shot too.
| 506 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:10:53pm |
re: #272 MandyManners
Nobody loves me.
Everybody hates me.
I think I'll go eat worms.
Rip their heads off
Suck their juice out
/june knows that song
| 508 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:11:27pm |
re: #500 Retread
re: #480 Ward Cleaver
re: #474 Retread
"If Tom Cruise and John Travolta don't come out of the closet I'm gonna cap this bitch."
Whuuut?
From a South Park episode I switched to after Document Dan was over.
Yeah, that was a good one.
| 509 |
David IV of Georgia Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:13:16pm |
re: #91 A Kiwi Infidel
re: #67 Cobra
"A victim of my own shortcomings"Like this guy?(none of which he's ever owned up to)
Ahhhggghhh! My eyes are bleedinggg!
| 510 |
MandyManners Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:13:20pm |
re: #505 HDrepub
re: #496 MandyManners
I loathed Rather and Cronkite many years ago Mandy, during my military days. I'm like William T. Sherman, where war is concerned the news men should all be shot too.
I don't believe reporters should be shot but, their asses need to be fact-checked.
| 511 |
ec marm Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:13:27pm |
A quick check of Drudge before bed:
Gold at highest level since 1980
Oil over $84
Canadian dollar equal to U.S.
NASDAQ to be 20% Dubai owned
DinnerJacket coming to NYC
/ restless sleep tonight
| 512 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:14:17pm |
I went to the sewer to see if they had any komments on this subject but found nothing. I did see this one though:
President Ahmandinejad Wants To Go To Ground Zero, We All Should Go With Him.
We are so far off course as country and as a people right now, it's amazing anyone can tell their ass from their elbow.
Our Senators can't approve adequate dwell time for our soldiers; or stand up and end the war by de-authorizing it (hate tip Bill Richardson) but they can unite to crap on MoveOn?
Then today, there is the falling-all-over-ourselves to attack President Ahmandinejad from going to pay his respects at Ground Zero.
Outrage! The cry goes out and the lemming fall out over themselves to yell OUTRAGE every louder. Just like they did with Larry Craig, a single shot to the head won't do anymore, bring out the Uzi.
Of course, missed in this torrent of attacks, is one fact. And one practical one.
First, the fact.
Iran helped us after 9/11. They provided valuable intelligence into what the situation was in Afghanistan and about the Taliban.
They were our ALLY. A four letter word for friend.
The second reason is that letting anyone go pay their respects at Ground Zero is the right thing to do.
Castro wants to head on down, feel free.
Anyone who wants to go stare at that whole in the ground and ponder the horror that happened, feel free.
In fact, we should all go down there. Here's what I think about. I remember the smell a few days after 9/11. It is the smell of death, it's sweet, kind of sickly sweet.
I never will, and never want to, forget that smell.
Creepy.
| 513 |
traveler Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:14:21pm |
Well, I do have Document Dan to thank for leading me to LGF! Saw it mentioned, went to the site, and registration was open...and so began many, many pajama-clad mornings, enjoying coffee and consorting with The Lizardentia...
| 514 |
stevieray Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:14:31pm |
re: #475 Ward Cleaver
re: #467 stevieray
I wonder how Dan's performance is playing among the moonbats? Anybody check?
So you're volunterring? Sorry, I just ate.
Me? Nah... doctor's orders. BP, you know.
| 515 |
MandyManners Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:14:38pm |
re: #506 Ward Cleaver
I learned it as "first you bite their heads off, then you suck their guts out, then you throw their skins away."
| 517 |
bikermailman Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:16:12pm |
re: #516 Lucius Septimius
Hey! The Aggies scored!
Had to happen sometime. ba dum dump
| 518 |
Lucius Septimius Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:16:38pm |
re: #515 MandyManners
Sorry to butt in, but the lovely bride went for an ultrasound today (again). Confirmed -- it's another boy. That'll make three plus the princess.
| 519 |
looking closely Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:17:01pm |
re: #453 traveler
If given the chance to be his interviewer, I'd ask the same request of Dan Rather that I'd ask of Mary Mapes: "Describe a bad journalist for me."
I'd ask him since he claims that nobody has proven these documents are fakes, what sort of proof showing they were fake would he be willing to accept?
IE, What would it take to convince him?
| 520 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:17:48pm |
re: #156 CrimsonFisted
CHARLES CALL IN!
No, that would've been too cruel, watching Dan snap.
| 521 |
Retread Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:18:07pm |
re: #519 looking closely
re: #453 traveler
If given the chance to be his interviewer, I'd ask the same request of Dan Rather that I'd ask of Mary Mapes: "Describe a bad journalist for me."
I'd ask him since he claims that nobody has proven these documents are fakes, what sort of proof showing they were fake would he be willing to accept?
IE, What would it take to convince him?
Given his performance tonight, I don't think he could articulate an answer.
| 522 |
bikermailman Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:18:29pm |
re: #518 Lucius Septimius
re: #515 MandyManners
Sorry to butt in, but the lovely bride went for an ultrasound today (again). Confirmed -- it's another boy. That'll make three plus the princess.
{applause!}
| 523 |
Bodyguardeagle Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:19:14pm |
re: #493 FreeIowa
re: #483 Ward Cleaver
re: #479 FreeIowa
re: #463 Racer X
When a "talking head" gets old and begins to utter nonsense, this will now be known as getting "Rathered".i.e. "He was a great sportscaster back in the day, but he is now way too Rathered".
Nice. I like that. "He was tired and rathered, nodding into his evening oatmeal..."Walking around the house, turning off lights, and quacking like a duck.
In the darkened windows flickered the reflections of a dozen little green flames...
Licking at the bottom of the pages of the fraudulent documents...
| 524 |
FishFearMe Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:19:19pm |
re: #520 Ward Cleaver
If Charles had called, we would have seen the Little Green Hurl Job from Rather.
| 525 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:19:32pm |
re: #515 MandyManners
re: #506 Ward Cleaver
I learned it as "first you bite their heads off, then you suck their guts out, then you throw their skins away."
Without their skiiins!
| 527 |
towerclimber37 Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:19:58pm |
re: #510 MandyManners
re: #505 HDrepub
re: #496 MandyManners
I loathed Rather and Cronkite many years ago Mandy, during my military days. I'm like William T. Sherman, where war is concerned the news men should all be shot too.
I don't believe reporters should be shot but, their asses need to be fact-checked.
I wouldn't mind them being fact checked...by the Detroit Redwings...
| 530 |
Kenneth Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:20:24pm |
re: #494 NJDhockeyfan
Update: "We haunt his dreams."
"What's the frequency, Kenneth?"
It's 15kHz, the bandwith of old style telephone wire, the baud rate limit of Dan Rather's intellect.
| 533 |
MigueldowninMexico Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:21:12pm |
re: #519 looking closely
re: #453 traveler
If given the chance to be his interviewer, I'd ask the same request of Dan Rather that I'd ask of Mary Mapes: "Describe a bad journalist for me."
I'd ask him since he claims that nobody has proven these documents are fakes, what sort of proof showing they were fake would he be willing to accept?
IE, What would it take to convince him?
Nothing will convince him. Nothing.
Because HE HAS ALWAYS KNOWN IT'S A FAKE.
But he can not admit that he has known all along.
Never, ever.
/Trapped in your own little circle of little hell.
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bikermailman Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:21:13pm |
| 535 |
EtNorskTroll Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:21:25pm |
After watching this performance by Rather, I take back anything untoward I might have said about this guy.
He is a sick, sick individual.
There is nothing noble about mocking a person who is so clearly mentally ill.
I am sorry if I have done that today.
I hope some of you are, too.
I like to think that Little Green Footballs is better than that.
~Norsk Troll
| 537 |
bikermailman Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:22:07pm |
re: #531 taxfreekiller
So, if Dan, Ms Mapes, Larry King, and all of the Kings men, CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS, CNN, together with the newless papers and the mags that gag can not prove up this memo from Ms Mapes , why would they not all get together and prove up that Lt. John F. Kerry did not fake his awards and citations as the Swift Boat Vets and the book show. If they are any good in fact 1/2 as good as they claim, it should be easy.
So, here in the open a challenge to them all,
IF YOU OF THE MSM CAN PROVE THAT LT. JOHN F. KERRY'S AWARDS AND CITATIONS ARE REAL AND NOT FAKED BY HIM, I, TAXFREEKILLER WILL EAT ONE PAIR OF DIRTY SHORTS FROM EACH NEWSROOM FROM THE MSM ON LIVE TV BEFORE ALL AMERICA.game on liars,
put up or shut the hell up
You're one braaave mofo...too bad it's a sucker bet.
| 538 |
Cognito Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:22:47pm |
re: #505 HDrepub
re: #496 MandyManners
I loathed Rather and Cronkite many years ago Mandy, during my military days. I'm like William T. Sherman, where war is concerned the news men should all be shot too.
Well said, sir. Well said.
Some people prefer a machete, but a gun is so much more efficent.
| 539 |
MigueldowninMexico Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:23:32pm |
*busily preparing salsa for taxfreekiller*
rofl!
| 540 |
bikermailman Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:24:08pm |
re: #539 MigueldowninMexico
*busily preparing salsa for taxfreekiller*
rofl!
LOL
| 541 |
FrogMarch Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:24:24pm |
“...we kept the Little Green Flame of investigative reporting alive...”
Dang it I missed that. I tortured myself for nothing. I messed the best part.
| 543 |
ibmkeyboard Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:26:34pm |
In an interview with Dan Rather, Burkett admitted that he misled CBS about the source of the documents, and then claimed that the documents came to him from "Lucy Ramirez", whom CBS was unable to contact or identify as an actual person.
Dan,
If you can find and interview Lucy Ramirez all will be forgiven
| 544 |
HDrepub Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:26:42pm |
re: #538 Cognito
Just my thoughts, but I really don't believe they should be shot, just kept way back in the rear echelon.
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:27:20pm |
| 546 |
Carridine Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:27:50pm |
Thanos (any others interested):
a) I share your deduction that she may be in dire need of medication
b) perhaps bipolar syndrome, manic-depressive
c) then again, IF she has experienced motorcycle teams shooting at her, than that's not paranoia per se, its survival instinct.
d) she's collecting pictures from the internet and "analyzing" them to "prove" her predetermined assertions... not terribly rational, (see a, above)
e) in Thailand, unfortunately, you CAN find a gunsel to kill somebody small (ie, no phalanx of bodyguards to outwit or outmaneuver) for a couple hundred dollars... shooter goes to jail, free food for a couple years... end of story.
f) another layer of weirdness is the existence of non-Thai Muslim extremists AND thug-opportunists AND murdering-meth-sellers in the south and the north... Thaksin's effective program of eliminating ALL drug pushers when caught is now trumpeted as 'human rights violations'...
Karridine out for now
| 547 |
Cobra Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:29:10pm |
re: #535 EtNorskTroll
After watching this performance by Rather, I take back anything untoward I might have said about this guy.
He is a sick, sick individual.
There is nothing noble about mocking a person who is so clearly mentally ill.
I am sorry if I have done that today.
I hope some of you are, too.I like to think that Little Green Footballs is better than that.
~Norsk Troll
Not me. He's been an asshole and a liar all his life and he still displayed that tonight. No ailment gives him a free pass.
| 548 |
looking closely Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:29:17pm |
re: #521 Retread
re: #519 looking closely
re: #453 traveler
If given the chance to be his interviewer, I'd ask the same request of Dan Rather that I'd ask of Mary Mapes: "Describe a bad journalist for me."
I'd ask him since he claims that nobody has proven these documents are fakes, what sort of proof showing they were fake would he be willing to accept?
IE, What would it take to convince him?
Given his performance tonight, I don't think he could articulate an answer.
Well, even if he were sane and sober, he still wouldn't be able to answer that question (which is a perfectly fair one, and quite a simple and non-technical one) without hanging himself.
If you showed him the throbbing memo live on national TV and asked him to explain it, he'd probably drop dead right on the spot
| 549 |
MigueldowninMexico Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:31:19pm |
Bye Karridine
Thanks for your kind words yesterday :)
| 550 |
towerclimber37 Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:34:13pm |
In the end, ALL of the LLL is going to end up like Rather. Reality will come crashing down with a finality and no mantra, no amount of wishing will make their wishful thinking/reporting into facts.
I reckon, for someone who's been revered for shoveling this crap, that can unhinge a body.
Darwins' laws still work. Hey Dan, reap the dodo you jerk!
| 551 |
Catttt Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:36:23pm |
No pity wasted on Mr. Rather. IMHO, he does not need enabling. He looks like he's medicating. Pity doesn't help him.
He's kicked his own friends and long-time cohorts in the you know whats - pity is not available at this time for him.
Some people deserve being mocked. They deserve it because the have made of themselves a mockery. To me, Mr. Rather is there.
Give me Mike Wallace (though I don't agree with his leftiness) any day of the week.
| 552 |
loflyer Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:38:46pm |
My fondest memory of Dan Rather was the 2004 election night, It was about two AM in the morning. I had worked the election count with my employer, a local county government in the state of Georgia. Working an election count is interesting, we know what the local count is because we are constantly running election reports to keep the local politicians happy, but we are clueless as to what is happening nationally. I listened to the radio on the way home, and was heartened by the national news. When I got home I quickly turned on the TV and listened to the major network talking heads give their spiel. It was unbelievable. Everyone of them looked like the stuffing had been beat out of them. And good ole' Dan Rather looked like he had been run over by a Sherman tank. Dan knew his job was Dependant upon a Democrat victory, and Fox had just announced Ohio had fallen to Bush winning the 2004 elections. It was beautiful! I have never seen such glum and disheartened anchors ever. Dan was screwed with the Bush victory and knew his job was over.
PS. I have never seen Charles post so many comments in a thread before. Keep it up Charles, we do enjoy your input in the threads.
| 554 |
looking closely Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:39:57pm |
re: #535 EtNorskTroll
After watching this performance by Rather, I take back anything untoward I might have said about this guy.
He is a sick, sick individual.
There is nothing noble about mocking a person who is so clearly mentally ill.
I am sorry if I have done that today.
I hope some of you are, too.
I like to think that Little Green Footballs is better than that.
~Norsk Troll
Maybe he's senile, maybe he's depressed, maybe its drugs, maybe its a combination of all of the above. It may not be simple mental illness.
But even if he's bat-shit crazy tonight, he clearly knew what he was doing when he called the bloggers pajama-clad, and perpetrated a fraud long past the point of reasonableness.
That behavior is still subject to valid criticism, I think,
| 555 |
Charles Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:46:38pm |
re: #535 EtNorskTroll
I like to think that Little Green Footballs is better than that.
Oh brother. Do you really believe this crap you're writing, or are you just trying to piss people off?
| 556 |
itellu3times Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:47:20pm |
re: #61 Charles
He's on drugs.
Well yes, he is, or was, for many years because of panic attacks.
| 557 |
Alouette Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:50:42pm |
re: #94 Charles
"Nobody to this day has shown that these documents are fraudulent."
posted on 09/08/2004 11:59:43 PM EDT by Buckhead
Where it all began.
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FredWM Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:54:28pm |
Didn't Gunga Dan start his career by smearing school children in Dallas? If I remember the story correctly, he was the one who made up the story about them cheering the assassination of JFK (They were cheering the fact that they were let out of school without explanation, but that won't have gotten him noticed at C-BS central). What a man.
| 559 |
FrogMarch Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:55:33pm |
re: #557 Alouette
re: #94 Charles
"Nobody to this day has shown that these documents are fraudulent."
posted on 09/08/2004 11:59:43 PM EDT by Buckhead
Where it all began.
Howlin, every single one of these memos to file is in a proportionally spaced font, probably Palatino or Times New Roman. In 1972 people used typewriters for this sort of thing, and typewriters used monospaced fonts...I am saying these documents are forgeries, run through a copier for 15 generations to make them look old. This should be pursued aggressively.You're absolutely correct. I just looked at the files, and they don't pass the smell test. Most typewritten items from that era would have been in Courier font. And why would these items be copies, anyway, if these memos were for the guy's own personal file? They wouldn't have that run through the copy machine a zillion times aura to them in that case.
| 560 |
HDrepub Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:56:07pm |
Dan Rather has been a lying SoS for 40 yrs, but he lived in a cocoon and underestimated John Q. Public and his access to the latest techonology. He was finally caught up in shit storm of his own creation, and can't handle the consequences.
I could always tell when DanO was trying to put one over on us, he would have that smirk on his face and his eyes would look glassy.
Let go of it Dan, all that hate is burning up what little mind you have left.
| 561 |
traveler Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:57:01pm |
I'm sure Bernard Goldberg's dance card is filling up fast -- He's always got great insights into Dan's dementia.
| 562 |
Charles Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:57:39pm |
For what it's worth, I never read that post by Buckhead on the day in question. I saw Powerline's post referring to it, and went to the CBS web site to look at the documents myself.
| 563 |
traveler Thu, Sep 20, 2007 7:58:28pm |
re: #562 Charles
I seem to recall that you reproduced the same document using default settings in just a few minutes, right?
| 565 |
Alouette Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:00:56pm |
re: #496 MandyManners
My mother once adored--no, worshipped--Dan Rather.
My mother still does. I think she is one of the last 5 people alive who still believe the memos are "authentic."
I tried to explain it all to her and she brushed me off with, "Oh, you watch too much FOX news!"
| 566 |
traveler Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:01:58pm |
re: #565 Alouette
Ditto that for my mother -- She's a flaming liberal. Stuck with Bob Schieffer, too.
| 567 |
bikermailman Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:04:06pm |
re: #545 MigueldowninMexico
re: #540 bikermailman
[Link: es.youtube.com...]
;)
Don't make me go postal...http://www.twistedtunes.com/player/player.asp?ID=9 54&SPEED=2&atype=tunes
| 569 |
Alouette Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:06:09pm |
re: #562 Charles
For what it's worth, I never read that post by Buckhead on the day in question. I saw Powerline's post referring to it, and went to the CBS web site to look at the documents myself.
Buckhead got the ball rolling, and said that it should be aggressively pursued. You, Charles, were the aggressive pursuer.
| 570 |
looking closely Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:07:35pm |
re: #562 Charles
For what it's worth, I never read that post by Buckhead on the day in question. I saw Powerline's post referring to it, and went to the CBS web site to look at the documents myself.
And to think, if only CBS hadn't put those copies online, they probably would have avoided most of this ugliness.
Rather and Mapes would have still run the fake story, and they still would have been caught and exposed eventually (the story was too high-profile for close public scrutiny not to come eventually), but it wouldn't have been nearly so fun nor spectacular, nor ghastly for them.
Think See B.S is thinking twice about what it posts on the internet nowadays?
| 571 |
justadot Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:11:25pm |
I don't think it's been posted yet, but if anyone watches Larry Live later again on the rebroadcast, you may need a transcript to get through this lip-smacking interview.
| 572 |
looking closely Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:17:50pm |
re: #571 justadot
Thanks!
Just read it, and my god. . .the guy really is a rambling mess.
I think I'd Rather NOT (cough) catch the re-run of this.
| 573 |
Carol Herman Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:18:26pm |
re: #159 Charles
"I have no desire to get into an arggg...ment..."
Pirate talk was so yesterday.
But this "nobody" knows your name? As Rummy would say, that's the most KNOWN of the UNKNOWNS.
| 574 |
pschne54 Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:20:31pm |
re #106
Rather is obsessed about an issue that, even if true ,was meaningless.
Perhaps the Guard stuff, if true, might make one reluctant to elect someone the first time, for fear he might be fearful of using the military,or something like that.
By 2004 Bush had already shown he was not afraid to pull the trigger.
Kerry was running as the soldier. I do not see how it changes anyone's mind. None of it makes any sense.
How could this guy be making millions as an anchor of a major network ?
| 575 |
looking closely Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:22:55pm |
Hmmm.. .
Looks like the phrase "Little Green Flame" isn't in the rush transcript linked to above:
RATHER: I do want to make a point, Larry, here, that somebody will look at it and say he's suing for $70 million. For me, it's not about the money. It is about this principle of what we're going to do with our democracy.Now, so if -- if the time comes that there's money as a settlement, a substantial part of that will go to such outfits as the investigative and editors, reporters, Reporters and Investigative Editors Association, The Committee To Protect Journalists, because I would like the legacy of this lawsuit to be not that I made tons of money out of it, but that we kept the little flame, the flickering flame of hard-nose investigative reporting alive.
| 576 |
justadot Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:23:12pm |
re: #572 looking closely
I'm going back to look for where Rather completely lost track of the question and there was dead silence for a moment. It was close to the end. Embarrassing…
| 577 |
EtNorskTroll Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:27:24pm |
re: #555 Charles
re: #535 EtNorskTroll
I like to think that Little Green Footballs is better than that.
Oh brother. Do you really believe this crap you're writing, or are you just trying to piss people off?
Yes. I really believe it.
This guy is sick. I watched him on TV tell everyone that he believes the story is still true~!
Something that has been proven to be so utterly false and ridiculous that it defies description.
There is not one, sane person that could look at the GIF that you made and say: "Oh, yeah...that's not a forgery".
Slurring his words and licking his lips (as one poster pointed out), talking about paranoid conspiracies...nah...I won't kick people that are as messed up as this. He's wrong about what he's saying (that's clear to anyone), but I refuse to 'pile on'.
Does that make me a bad person in other people's eyes here?
~Norsk Troll
| 578 |
RichatUF Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:30:45pm |
Some we asking about this-I've got this program seared, seared into my mind
How many other sheer fabrications did Rather perpetrate on the public in his 40+ years at CBS?
The War Within was one of his more egerious.
| 579 |
EtNorskTroll Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:30:51pm |
Does it make me a bad person if I encourage others not to pile on (for the reasons stated above)?
~ENT
| 580 |
EtNorskTroll Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:31:56pm |
Does it make me a bad person if I expect better from fellow LGF members (for the reasons stated above)?
~ENT
| 581 |
JeremyR Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:32:29pm |
re: #15 simonml
The good thing about it isthat when all is said and done, the liars will have most of it. Err, I meant lawyers. Liars, lawyers, is there any diffrence?
| 582 |
looking closely Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:32:32pm |
re: #547 Cobra
Actually, having just read the transcript of the interview, I think its quite apparent that despite his rambling and poor sentence construction, he knows exactly what he's saying and doing.
He has talking points. . .he makes them.
He's still sticking with the "Fake but accurate" BS.
He's still claiming he was the victim of a partisan conspiracy.
He's recanted his on-air apology, and he even has the gall to state that his firing puts American democracy at risk!
In short, he's still a slimy narcissist, dementia or not.
| 583 |
Canadian Guy Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:32:52pm |
Here's the part where Rather loses and potentially exposes himself to a lawsuit
RATHER: No. The -- most of it was written, I think, by the corporation. I don't know who, but most of it was written. I was asked to, you know, (INAUDIBLE) I can remember that in my office, the president of the news division was in fairly late working on it. But we were working together at that time because I thought that we were a team.
As it turned out, there was this effort to scapegoat myself and others in the news division. We haven't even talked about this so- called alleged independent commission that investigated it.
KING: You say that was (INAUDIBLE)...
RATHER: They spent months and they spent tens of millions of dollars...
KING: Was there a distinguished lawyer involved in that?
RATHER: A former attorney general of the United States, a good friend of the Bushes and a loyal Republican, Mr. Thornburgh, headed it. I don't have -- it's nothing personal with him. But what this was, and the lawsuit alleges -- and I think it can be shown -- this was, in many ways, a fraud. It was a setup. It was designed...
KING: A fraud?
(NOTE: EVEN LARRY KING IS SPEECHLESS HERE)
RATHER: Yes. It was designed to achieve a certain result so that the corporation would be exonerated.
KING: Are you saying Dick Thornburgh, former governor of Pennsylvania, former -- participated in a fraud?
RATHER: That's what the record shows. That's what we allege. That's what we allege.
KING: You allege in -- all right. Your lawsuit does...
RATHER: That's right. And I think the record shows that clearly. Why didn't they go -- they had tens of millions of dollars and a lot of time and they said we didn't even investigate whether the documents were true or not. Now, we now know that an investigator was hired by CBS -- what I call a mystery man -- who wasn't even mentioned in the report, had looked into it.
So what did he say?
What did he say to them?
We don't know.
| 584 |
RichatUF Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:34:26pm |
correction:
CBS News Reports: The Wall Within
| 585 |
looking closely Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:37:41pm |
re: #577 EtNorskTroll
re: #555 Charles
re: #535 EtNorskTroll
I like to think that Little Green Footballs is better than that.
Oh brother. Do you really believe this crap you're writing, or are you just trying to piss people off?
Yes. I really believe it.
This guy is sick. I watched him on TV tell everyone that he believes the story is still true~!
Why do you assume insanity, when mendacity is a simpler explanation?
Based on the transcript he seemed to have pre-written points he (admittedly grudgingly) got out.
He well may be under the influence of medications, but that doesn't draw any sympathy from me here.
| 586 |
garycooper Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:38:20pm |
That was one of my favorite days/nights ever on LGF, watching CJ dismantle the forgery with ease and technical expertise. It is truly pathetic, that this old hack is now suing the corporation that stood by him all those years, even after he had clearly slipped a few gears. And Mapes...omigod, her rant is so moonbatty, so filled with troofer-logic, and Liberal Tourette's, you want to get her a pill and a nice warm glass of milk, too.
You know what's coming next, for Dan. He'll be on Letterman within a week or so, and Stupid Dave Tricks will include fawning, nodding and stroking, as Dan tells his sad tale of woe. People in the audience will applaud the dumbest platitudes, but they might be prompted by applause-signs, I don't know.
| 587 |
nyc redneck Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:38:29pm |
he's a dangerous evil old trouble maker, much like jimmy carter. i have no sympathy for either one of them.
| 588 |
EtNorskTroll Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:43:16pm |
| 589 |
Bobblehead Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:50:26pm |
Something to look forward to via Captain's Quarters
:UPDATE: Our friend Bernie Goldberg also called Rather "paranoid" -- and that was before Rather's appearance on Larry King. Goldberg says CBS shouldn't and won't settle. The most delicious part of this lawsuit will be CBS arguing that the memos were fraudulent, because that's the only way they can defend against Rather's suit.
| 590 |
Conserve Liberty Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:52:44pm |
re: #136 Charles
"Nobody to this day" is now a rotating title.
Moving to Dictionary
| 591 |
EtNorskTroll Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:53:11pm |
re: #585 looking closely
Why do you assume insanity...
Smacking his lips.
Slurring his words.
Paranoid conspiracy theories.
Saying things that are patently wrong/false/untrue to anyone with the IQ of a cucumber.
There may be a few more reasons, but I'm a little tired out right now (long day).
Does anyone think I'm a bad person for advocating that we all take the "high road" in this matter?
Anyone?
Dan is ill. He may not have been in the past, but this performance is shameful, by any account. I fault Larry for not cutting Dan off sooner. That was ungracious of him, IMHO.
~Norsk Troll
/I sincerely hope that if, in the future, I ever made an a$$ out of myself like that on live TV, somebody from LGF would step in and stop me.
| 592 |
mich-again Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:53:52pm |
Well if there is one person in the media who is dumber than Dan Rather, its Larry King. Dude is an imbecile. Bart Simpson is smarter than him.
| 593 |
looking closely Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:54:00pm |
re: #588 EtNorskTroll
re: #585 looking closely
"mendacity"?
*goes to find an English Dictionary*
~ENT
;-) That would be a tendency to tell untruths.
(IE I'm saying he's not crazy, he's just lying).
Look, his "fake but accurate" schtick is unchanged now from when he made it before getting canned four years ago. If he's crazy now, he was crazy then.
| 594 |
EtNorskTroll Thu, Sep 20, 2007 8:58:15pm |
re: #593 looking closely
"... his "fake but accurate" shtick... "
That REALLY floored me, LC.
I thought for a moment that maybe he was quoting someone else or alluding to it in the past tense.
Then he went on and on like it was fact or something.
Too bizarre for words at that point.
~ENT
| 595 |
Mich-again Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:00:13pm |
“...we kept the Little Green Flame of investigative reporting alive...”
Next thing you know he'll be riding his bike along the beach battling the hegemonic fascist headwinds stopping only to take a picture of a fence post.
| 596 |
justacanuck Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:03:54pm |
Well I missed the live airing of Rather's blather, so I'm watching Larry re-run right now.
It will be fun to watch and follow along after reading a number of the comments here.
A long time ago I used to respect this guy a lot. Then the Internet started influencing my information gathering abilities. Edward R. Murrow would kick Dan in the nads if he were alive today.
| 597 |
Cobra Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:14:04pm |
re: #582 looking closely
You seem to be refuting etNorsk. I think you need to "look closer" at #547. We are in agreement
| 598 |
Strike Hornet Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:15:17pm |
Have you ever seen so many suspenders on one show? Hideous...truly hideous...
| 599 |
Cobra Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:16:30pm |
re: #592 mich-again
Well if there is one person in the media who is dumber than Dan Rather, its Larry King. Dude is an imbecile. Bart Simpson is smarter than him.
Actually, Bart is smarter than most of us. Homer's the dolt. :)
| 600 |
justacanuck Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:18:13pm |
Man, I've never heard so much clattering of dentures on the air before. What was he thinking? Perhaps Larry's makeup and green room people were too intimidated by Gunga Dan to suggest he fix that.
| 601 |
EtNorskTroll Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:18:44pm |
re: #580 EtNorskTroll
Does it make me a bad person if I expect better from fellow LGF members (for the reasons stated above)?
~ENT
Kind of silent.
I'm glad for that...
| 602 |
hbwriter Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:19:20pm |
Back in the "What's the freguency, Kenneth?" days, it seemed Dan had started to leave this world. I'll bet if you asked him today if he thought Bush helped plan 9/11 he'd say, "Well, just as a bollweevil doesn't always eat through the wheat, I'm not sure we can presume this President didn't shake the milkweed a little early."
| 604 |
Cobra Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:32:10pm |
re: #601 EtNorskTroll
Does it make me a bad person if I expect better from fellow LGF members
Depends.
Are we bad people for not living up to your expectations?
The answer to that will answer your question.
| 605 |
Occasional Reader Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:33:41pm |
Charles, there's just one thing I want to say:
YOU
KICK
EVERYONE'S
ASS.
Ah, also... I want to have your baby. But not, you know, in a gay way, or anything.
What I mean to say is this; six and a half years ago, you were... some guy. A jazz musician, a graphic designer, with a blog as a hobby. Soft left/liberal... just like I was at the time. And Dan Rather.. well, shit, he was a household name, an elder statesmen of the American press corps.
And here we are, in 2007. Charles Johnson... this guy, who, well, is just some guy... is INSTRUMENTAL in exposing Rather as the goddamn LIAR AND FRAUD that he is. This supposed paragon of journalism tried to influence a U.S. presidential election by peddling a load of obvious BULLSHIT, that any intelligent 13 year-old should have seen through. And yet, most of the media was willing to go along with it. But you, PowerLine, and a few others... not you guys. You saw through it, and got the word out, and got this creep CANNED.
And one doesn't have to be a fawning fanboy of Bush to see that what Rather and CBS were trying to do was WRONG. And Lord (or something) knows that you and I don't agree on everything, and hell, you're still at odds with a bunch of friends of mine who are ex-LGFers (and I hope that rift is healed someday soon), and in a conversation on certain aspects of politics you and I would probably end up shouting at each other (before cracking open a couple of beers).
But I repeat.
YOU
KICK
EVERYONE'S
ASS
Good night to all.
| 606 |
justacanuck Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:35:40pm |
Moonves mentioned "Naked news"? Good golly. You're definitely from another planet Dan. Total lack of focus.
I think Dan's slurring and speech problems are caused by loose dentures, not meds. But he sure has noticeably aged some in the last two years.
| 607 |
BillLangston Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:42:19pm |
re: #499 Thanos
Okay, let us say that it is possible for there to have been a machine that would do those sub and superscripts; that in no way solves the kerning problem.
Silly buggers... just won't give it up.
Sermper Fi,
Bill
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EtNorskTroll Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:43:29pm |
re: #604 Cobra
re: #601 EtNorskTroll
Does it make me a bad person if I expect better from fellow LGF members
Depends.
Are we bad people for not living up to your expectations?
The answer to that will answer your question.
I don't know if it makes anyone, anything at all...whether they do or not.
Of what importance is my opinion?
I humbly submit to you that it is worth zero.
Now then: "Does it make me a bad person in anyone's eyes here at LGF if I expect better from fellow LGF members?"
~Norsk Troll
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Cobra Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:54:09pm |
re: #608 EtNorskTroll
Now then: "Does it make me a bad person in anyone's eyes here at LGF if I expect better from fellow LGF members?"
I repeat:
It depends.
Are we bad people in your eyes for not living up to your expectations?
The answer to that will answer your question.
Don't know what else to tell ya, other than go sleep it off.
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Carridine Thu, Sep 20, 2007 9:57:07pm |
Like a tune that sticks in memory, here's IowaHawk's famous "Dick Rather, Private See-BS"
Hilarious... MP3
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BillLangston Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:05:31pm |
re: #591 EtNorskTroll
Mr. EtNorskTroll,
I know it may sound cruel but we have a saying in the Corps; 'payback is a bitch' and it fits our friend Dan!
Sometimes people do things that are unforgivable, at least that is unforgivable by anyone that is not a saint and actual saints are few and far between. Most Marines won't have much 'truck' with Dan Rather; at least not Vietnam Marines.
Yours truly,
Bill Langston
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Carridine Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:10:48pm |
re: #611 BillLangston
Got THAT straight, Bill! North Vietnam was reeling from losses, right on the verge of throwing in the towel and suing for peace, when Dan Rather led the charge to vilify America and de-legitimize the war in VietNam...
resulting in the exodus (and deaths) of tens of thousands of Boat People; the maiming and deaths of tens of thousands of (used-to-be South) Vietnamese in communist re-education camps in the south...
and the spitting-on and other vilification of 'Nam veterans after America's ignominious retreat!
Thanks, Dan Rather!
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MrArchieBunker Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:27:35pm |
Hell hath no fury like an old leftist egomaniac scorned... Courage
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Jauhara al Kafirah Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:34:22pm |
I can't bear watching either of them. What fool would invest thousands of dollars in HD and watch them in that format? My skin. It hurts. My eyes bleed. I am going to watch Iron Chef or something else.
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pettyfog Thu, Sep 20, 2007 10:37:10pm |
Thanks, whoever above for the Baghdad Bob reference.. I still chuckle.
And I suppose if HE were on Larry King:
"To this day, no one has proved Baghdad has been captured by the American invaders"
- Baghdad Bob
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Cobra Thu, Sep 20, 2007 11:23:42pm |
re: #615 pettyfog
You may be on to something. Someone (with the talent) needs to assemble a video. A quote from the Rather interveiw then to Bagdad Bob. Rather, Bob. Rather, Bob etc. Sure to be a hit on you-tube.
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U.S. 395 Fri, Sep 21, 2007 12:24:44am |
re: #602 hbwriter
Back in the "What's the freguency, Kenneth?" days, it seemed Dan had started to leave this world. I'll bet if you asked him today if he thought Bush helped plan 9/11 he'd say, "Well, just as a bollweevil doesn't always eat through the wheat, I'm not sure we can presume this President didn't shake the milkweed a little early."
According to R.E.M. (Monster, 1994), the next words from the questioner are "are your benzedrine... oh, oh?'
Is it possble "Kenneth" a.k.a. Rather's senility led him to give the wrong frequency last night before the Larry King show and the delivery was benzODIAZAPINE by mistake?
Consider the possible impact this may have had upon Mr. Rather's performance.
Jest sayin'
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David IV of Georgia Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:16:44am |
re: #587 nyc redneck
he's a dangerous evil old trouble maker, much like jimmy carter. i have no sympathy for either one of them.
Being optimistic, I would like to say both Jimmy and Dan are senile. Unfortunately they seem to have gone senile when they were about 40 years ago. 20 year old senile people became elderly buffoons. If this were a sudden change in character, I would give it a pass and keep my mouth shut. But these two have been breaking the furniture and spilling beer on the floor for years. They deserve no special handling.
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David IV of Georgia Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:21:52am |
... senile about 40 years ago. ... PIMF
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Portia Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:55:35am |
491 Cap'n doc
re: #479 FreeIowa
Crap. You got that verb trademarked yet? I already had dibs on murtha and putinize, and I thought I had the corner on rather. Obviously not.
What's a verb between Lizards, anyway?
I know I'm coming in very late, but I want to claim the verb Pelosing. As in "She totally pelosed, guys".
Pelosing -- through brain damage, senility, botox or an excess of multi-culti socialist ideology -- achieving the abysmal dumbness that allows you to cross yourself in a mosque. In front of cameras.
P.
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FrogMarch Fri, Sep 21, 2007 5:12:05am |
Jonah G. Says:
But we also need this because Rather's "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore" routine will help us get to the bottom of a story that was actually under-covered. CBS News, under Rather's direction, ran with fake documents - or, to be fair, documents so shoddily verified that no unbiased journalist would have run with them. When confronted with the rank incompetence and bad faith of the team he led (the lead producer tried to coordinate with the Kerry campaign), Rather first allowed three of his colleagues to be thrown under the bus, while he took a few more face-saving laps around CBS before he was quietly escorted out the door like the muttering office old-timer who's gone off his feed.
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mrshankly01 Fri, Sep 21, 2007 6:13:09am |
i am sorry i missed this thread, i bet it was a good one.
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LiveFreeOrDie Fri, Sep 21, 2007 6:15:31am |
Memogate is how this Lizard found LGF.
Thanks Dan.
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mrshankly01 Fri, Sep 21, 2007 6:18:44am |
re: #624 LiveFreeOrDie
same here, thanks as well Charles
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wargammer2005 Fri, Sep 21, 2007 6:29:47am |
i did not watch the train wreck
after reading the coments here i feel deeply sorry for dan rather.
if there was ever a time when he reported the truth in an un-biased way, that person is long gone.
if there was ever a person that went into the news biz for a noble reason, that person died a very long time ago.
but my sorrow for him is tempered by the damadge he did to my Country.
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EtNorskTroll Fri, Sep 21, 2007 6:32:43am |
re: #609 Cobra
re: #608 EtNorskTroll
Now then: "Does it make me a bad person in anyone's eyes here at LGF if I expect better from fellow LGF members?"
I repeat:
It depends.
Are we bad people in your eyes for not living up to your expectations?
The answer to that will answer your question.Don't know what else to tell ya, other than go sleep it off.
Your answer has been duly noted, Cobra.
Now--would anyone be gracious enough to answer this question of mine: "Does it make me a bad person in anyone's eyes here at LGF if I expect better from fellow LGF members?" (see above)
~Norsk Troll
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Smilin' Jack Fri, Sep 21, 2007 8:10:34am |
ENT:
Why should you care whether anyone here thinks you're a bad person? There's lots of people here with lots of viewpoints...there's even Gordon. The only way not to be a bad person in somebody's eyes is to not post. So don't worry about it, post what you want and expect what you want. If someone here can prove you wrong with facts, they'll let you know. If no one has to straighten you out, you're OK.
As to your #535 post, I see no reason to take back the ill feeling and derogatory remarks I've made about Mr. Rather in the past. HDrepub's link from the Weekly Standard proves the man has dealt in fraud for over 40 years. He deceived many, including myself, my family and Mandy's Mom.
For years I respected him and many wrong opinions I held were based on what I heard from him at CBS news. The chickens have finally come home to roost. He made his bed with deceit, now he has to sleep in it. I agree, it's an unattractive spectacle, but it needs to be if it's to dissuade others from taking the same path.
SJ
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Cobra Fri, Sep 21, 2007 9:05:01am |
re: #627 EtNorskTroll
Now--would anyone be gracious enough to answer this question of mine: "Does it make me a bad person in anyone's eyes here at LGF if I expect better from fellow LGF members?" (see above)
~Norsk Troll
I can honestly say with a great deal of certainty the answer is yes. Odds are, in someone else's eyes, you are a bad person. But, as Smilin Jack alluded to, what does it matter what someone else thinks? What you think/feel about yourself is more important.
If others not living up to your expectations makes a difference to you, then I would feel sorry...for you.
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Catch22 Fri, Sep 21, 2007 7:12:07pm |
re: #627 EtNorskTroll
Now--would anyone be gracious enough to answer this question of mine: "Does it make me a bad person in anyone's eyes here at LGF if I expect better from fellow LGF members?" (see above)
~Norsk Troll
I don't pass judgment as to if you are a "bad person" or not--I only care if you are an honest person or not, expressing your views and not trying to live up to the last syllable of your moniker. :)
I understand the desire to not pick on the mentally handicapped; it is human compassion and generally a good and kind trait. However, I will point out that in this case, the person in question is far from a harmless, sick individual. Dan Rather is still trying to convince people of an outright lie--not a mistake, but a calculated assault on the truth.
The nice thing about LGF has always been that despite all the differences of the folks who post here, the predominant thread through the comments(and our gracious host's posts) is a commitment to the truth--to fact checking the MSM, to shining light on the darker and less publicized aspects of the ROP and its adherents, to catching our elected officials and bureaucrats deliberately lying (not just making mistakes) and in general to honestly sharing what we know, see, and propose is true. This is not a "Take Action NOW!" cause-of-the-day site; although some causes have been reported. There are no talking points that must be reviewed and echoed daily, nor are we required to offer allegiance to our Lizardoid Master (except in the most humorous of ways). Respect for the truth is all that we seem to desire.
Dan Rather has a long history of perverting the truth for his "stories", and Rathergate is the most heinous of his actions. It is an affront to common sense and justice that cannot be left unanswered, regardless of the apparent mental condition of Rather. It's not piling on when we are correcting a dangerous fraud; it is merely pointing out the necessity of being vigilant. Basically, he had (and has) the power to spread his lies and obfuscation, and until sites like LGF, he could do it virtually unopposed. It is our privilege to finally say "Enough lies!" and be heard.
If Dan were a poster here, his constant reiteration of the lie and obtuse defenses would most likely be considered the actions of a troll. I would bet that his inability to accept the truth and his vitriol directed at those who challenge him would result in his being banned. As it is, by appearing on national TV, he is essentially trolling us all.
And in that case, all I could say would be "Good riddance, Dan. Seek professional help. GAZE."
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