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Columbia University and Hitler: Then and Now

Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 3:14:26 pm PDT

A lot of people are saying that Columbia University’s invitation to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is as outrageous as inviting Adolf Hitler.

But 70 years ago, that’s almost exactly what Columbia University did: Columbia “Invites Hitler to Campus” —As it Did in 1933.

Seventy years before this week’s invitation to Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Columbia rolled out the red carpet for a senior official of Adolf Hitler’s regime. The invitation to Iran’s leader may seem less surprising, but no less disturbing, when one recalls that in 1933, Columbia president Nicholas Murray Butler invited Nazi Germany’s ambassador to the United States, Hans Luther, to speak on campus, and also hosted a reception for him.  Luther represented “the government of a friendly people,” Butler insisted. He was “entitled to be received ... with the greatest courtesy and respect.”  Ambassador Luther’s speech focused on what he characterized as Hitler’s peaceful intentions.  Students who criticized the Luther invitation were derided as “ill-mannered children” by the director of Columbia’s Institute of Arts and Sciences.

Columbia also insisted on maintaining friendly relations with Nazi-controlled German universities.  While Williams College terminated its program of student exchanges with Nazi Germany, Columbia and other universities declined to do likewise.  Columbia refused to pull out even after a German official candidly asserted that his country’s students were being sent abroad to serve as “political soldiers of the Reich.”

In 1936, the Columbia administration announced it would send a delegate to Nazi Germany to take part in the 550th anniversary celebration of the University of Heidelberg.  This, despite the fact that Heidelberg already had been purged of Jewish faculty members, instituted a Nazi curriculum, and hosted a burning of books by Jewish authors.  Prof. Arthur Remy, who served as Columbia’s delegate to the Heidelberg event, later remarked that the reception at which chief book-burner Josef Goebbels presided was “very enjoyable.”

(Hat tip: LGF readers.)

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1 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:16:59pm

Some things never change.

2 meMarc  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:17:02pm

Wonder if they let military recruiters on Campus back then?

3 trailortrash  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:17:23pm

damn

4 Dublin(CA)Dude  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:17:50pm

As has been said, those who do not learn the lessons of the past are condemmed to repeat them. LLL's never learn, they too wrapped up in their own moral superiority.

5 gatorbait  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:17:56pm

Although "Pres" Almadinajad is an enabler and supportor of "terrorists," I doubt if he has ever been labled such by the President or the Dept of State. Hence, he is officially a head of state visiting the US.

He has been told that NYC will not provide him a security escort to ground zero. I assume security will be provided by the Secret Service.

There is not much that can be done to prevent him from driving from the Iranian embassy building to ground zero, or Columbia University, except perhaps a truly massive traffic jam to block his route. So, a little civil disobedience here might do the trick. Capice?

6 june_july  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:18:09pm

Perhaps the most brilliant post I have ever seen at LGF.

Way to go, Charles.

I wonder whether the NY Times will publish a letter like this.

7 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:18:56pm

So much for learning from history. Why would anyone send their kids to that school?

8 theheat  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:19:14pm

I knew it! I knew it! I knew it!

The burning question is, with the benefit of hindsight, whether they ever regretted welcoming the nazi assholes. I'm thinking... not.

9 RTLM  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:19:55pm

Ah - "Progressives".

Hence the quote: "Those who learn nothing from history are doomed to repeat it."

10 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:20:36pm
11 Rogue198  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:20:52pm

You know...every day I tell myself I shouldn't be surprised about leftists and their hate america activities and appeasing terrorists/mass murderers/anti-semites.

But then someone points out something like this, and I find myself shocked again.

12 phoenixgirl  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:21:09pm

well then, at least they are consistent

13 lefty201  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:21:28pm

They were wrong then, and they are wrong now. not suprising though considering how ignorant many educated people seem to be in real life. I work with attorneys, and give some of them something common sense to think about and they almost have a gold brick.

14 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:22:52pm

...meanwhile in an early OT, the Pope's got the islamofacists seething again...

Pope in 'freedom' blast at Islam

The Pope has again risked provoking the wrath of the Islamic world, by criticising its treatment of Christians.

Benedict XVI attacked Muslim nations where Christians are either persecuted or given the status of second-class citizens under the Shariah Islamic law.

He also defended the rights of Muslims to convert to Christianity, an act which warrants the death penalty in many Islamic countries.

His comments came almost exactly a year after he provoked a wave of anger among Muslims by quoting a Byzantine emperor who linked Islam to violence.

Yesterday, near Rome, the 80-year-old pontiff made a speech in "defence of religious liberty", which, he said "is a fundamental, irrepressible, inalienable and inviolable right".

In a clear reference to Islam, he said: "The exercise of this freedom also includes the right to change religion, which should be guaranteed not only legally, but also in daily practice."

Addressing the problem of Islamic extremism, he added: "Terrorism is a serious problem whose perpetrators often claim to act in God's name and harbour an inexcusable contempt for human life."

Last September, radical British Muslims said Pope Benedict should be executed for "insulting" the Prophet Mohammed.

That's a very brave man. I can see more riots coming from this.

15 meMarc  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:23:28pm
MISSION STATEMENT
Columbia University is one of the world's most important centers of research and at the same time a distinctive and distinguished learning environment for undergraduates and graduate students in many scholarly and professional fields. The University recognizes the importance of its location in New York City and seeks to link its research and teaching to the vast resources of a great metropolis. It seeks to attract a diverse and international faculty and student body, to support research and teaching on global issues, and to create academic relationships with many countries and regions. It expects all areas of the university to advance knowledge and learning at the highest level and to convey the products of its efforts to the world.

Doesn't mention evil leaders who want to kill all the Jews. So technically, I think they're okay.
////////////////////////////////////////////////// ////////////////////////////////////////

16 trailortrash  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:24:19pm

go Pope!

17 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:24:27pm

I saw this linked to earlier and though it was a spoof. IowaHawk maybe.

18 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:24:56pm
19 obscured by clouds  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:25:01pm

Ah come on. Hitler was merely misunderstood in 1933. He wasn't misunderstood a couple years later, though.

20 EC Marm  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:25:06pm

The definition of insanity; trying the same experiment, over and over, expecting a different outcome.

21 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:25:39pm

re: #19 obscured by clouds

Ah come on. Hitler was merely misunderstood in 1933. He wasn't misunderstood a couple years later, though.


Was there a DailyKos paper in 1933?

22 Thanos  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:25:54pm

Someone has to accomodate Holocaust II if it's to become a reality after all...

//////

23 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:25:59pm

Charles -

America was a different nation in the 1930's - Or So I would LIKE to think.

-S-

24 Silhouette  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:26:06pm

This makes me feel much better. Columbia's evil is not evidence that we as a whole are sliding downhill. They've always been that way.

Also, we ended up having to fight and kill the bastards Columbia was hosting, visiting, and complimenting, but we did and we succeeded.

25 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:27:09pm

re: #14 NJDhockeyfan

The Pope (and many others) have spent too much time worrying about secularists. It's nice to see him back to working on Islam again.

26 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:27:33pm

Pacifism is objectively pro-fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically help out that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, 'he that is not with me is against me'
~ George Orwell

27 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:27:49pm

re: #20 EC Marm

The definition of insanity; trying the same experiment, over and over, expecting a different outcome.

I thought that happened because I went to physics lab in college stoned!

28 EC Marm  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:27:53pm

re: #14 NJDhockeyfan
Knew he was pretty pissed off lately, with the rumor of not choosing to see Condi Rice. Didn't expect him to speak out, though. I'll expect a bunch of crippled, elderly nuns to be brutally murdered by some brave ROPers in exchange for his comment.

29 nyc redneck  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:28:03pm

oh, now i get it. that's just who they are.
spit.

30 albusteve  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:29:14pm

I did not know Hitler ever visited the US...and my IQ is 167...

31 Beobachter  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:29:18pm

re: #14 NJDhockeyfan

That's a very brave man. I can see more riots coming from this.

Indeed, he is a very brave and interesting man. I wish there were more just like him. Thanks for quoting that.

32 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:29:21pm

re: #28 EC Marm

re: #14 NJDhockeyfan
Knew he was pretty pissed off lately, with the rumor of not choosing to see Condi Rice. Didn't expect him to speak out, though. I'll expect a bunch of crippled, elderly nuns to be brutally murdered by some brave ROPers in exchange for his comment.


God I hope not. I expect the Popemobile to be heavily fortified with thick armor now that the islamonuts want his head.

33 meMarc  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:30:27pm

re: #21 NJDhockeyfan

re: #19 obscured by clouds

Ah come on. Hitler was merely misunderstood in 1933. He wasn't misunderstood a couple years later, though.


Was there a DailyKos paper in 1933?

Not that would be a spoof worthy of Iowahawk. The DaylyKos circa 1938.

34 the historian  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:31:33pm

In other words, Columbia has a history of poor judgment and lack of common sense.

www.greensrealworld.blogspot.com

35 albusteve  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:32:03pm

re: #32 NJDhockeyfan

re: #28 EC Marm


re: #14 NJDhockeyfan
Knew he was pretty pissed off lately, with the rumor of not choosing to see Condi Rice. Didn't expect him to speak out, though. I'll expect a bunch of crippled, elderly nuns to be brutally murdered by some brave ROPers in exchange for his comment.

he'll be covered by the Swiss Guard...tough guys


God I hope not. I expect the Popemobile to be heavily fortified with thick armor now that the islamonuts want his head.
36 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:32:31pm

Okay. I call - something on this one.

"Terrorism is a serious problem whose perpetrators often claim to act in God's name and harbour an inexcusable contempt for human life."

Don't like repeating what has already been stated, but -

Christians do not claim terrorism as a banner, for God did not teach us to hold human life in contempt. allah supposedly did, via the supposed conduit of mohammed. Benedict's words on other occasions (including his little speech which enflamed them most recently) should have incited them even more than it did had they been reading. But hey - They came to an inflamatory statement made 100s of years ago and Benedict repeated, and took it out of context.

It is truly impossible that we (Christians) worship the same being, so therefore, Benedict shouldn't be making statements using the name of God. God is not allah, and allah is not God.

37 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:32:46pm
38 zygazint  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:33:14pm

"Don't be so humble - you are not that great."
- Golda Meir (1898-1978) to a visiting diplomat

39 quickjustice  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:33:20pm

The primary difference is that Columbia University was WASP back then, and anti-Semitism widely practiced and accepted. Buddying up to the Nazis would have been par for the course. Remember the German-American Bund in NYC in the 1930s? The pro-Nazi, anti-war groups were powerful.

Almost eighty years later, many Columbia trustees, many of its most prominent donors, many of its most distinguished students, alumni, and professors, are Jewish.

That makes the University's conduct in this situation even more bizarre and inexplicable. "Academic freedom" doesn't require a university to prominently showcase extremists like Ahmadinejad spouting discredited ideologies. To do so is to revive such ideologies.

40 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:33:59pm

The more things change, the more they stay the same. The whole of Academia is on the cusp of being completely lost, but it looks like some institutions were never worth saving in the first place.

41 Highrise  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:34:12pm

Well this puts things into perspective.

If I were a paying alumni, it's time to stop the checks.

42 albusteve  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:34:13pm

re: #37 savage_nation

re: #30 albusteve


I did not know Hitler ever visited the US...and my IQ is 167...

No, but his brain ended up in Brazil...

Didn't you know?


lol...good one!...what?

43 J.S.  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:35:19pm

re: #5 gatorbait

Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism. Here is what the State Dept has to say about Iran -- and, yes, they call Iran a state sponsor of terrorism:

Iran

Iran remained the most active state sponsor of terrorism. Its Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and Ministry of Intelligence and Security (MOIS) were directly involved in the planning and support of terrorist acts and continued to exhort a variety of groups, especially Palestinian groups with leadership cadres in Syria and Lebanese Hizballah, to use terrorism in pursuit of their goals. In addition, the IRGC was increasingly involved in supplying lethal assistance to Iraqi militant groups, which destabilizes Iraq.

Iran continues to be unwilling to bring to justice senior al-Qaida members it detained in 2003. Iran has refused to identify publicly these senior members in its custody on "security grounds." Iran has also resisted numerous calls to transfer custody of its al-Qaida detainees to their countries of origin or to third countries for interrogation and/or trial.

Iran maintained a high-profile role in encouraging anti-Israeli terrorist activity -- rhetorically, operationally, and financially. Supreme Leader Khamenei and President Ahmadi-Nejad praised Palestinian terrorist operations, and Iran provided Lebanese Hizballah and Palestinian terrorist groups -- notably HAMAS, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command -- with extensive funding, training, and weapons.

Iran pursued a variety of policies in Iraq, some of which appeared to be inconsistent with its stated objectives regarding stability in Iraq and with the objectives of the Iraqi Transitional Government and the Multi-national Forces in Iraq. Senior Iraqi officials have publicly expressed concern over Iranian interference in Iraq, and there were reports that Iran provided funding, safe passage, and arms to insurgent elements.

State sponsors of terrorism pose a grave WMD terrorism threat. A WMD program in a state sponsor of terrorism could enable a terrorist organization to acquire a sophisticated WMD. State sponsors of terrorism and nations that fail to live up to their international obligations deserve special attention as potential facilitators of WMD terrorism. Iran presents a particular concern, given its active sponsorship of terrorism and its continued development of a nuclear program. Iran is also capable of producing biological and chemical agents or weapons. Like other state sponsors of terrorism with WMD programs, Iran could support terrorist organizations seeking to acquire WMD.

There are also implications for American citizens (such as doing business with Iran, etc.) "Implications: Designating countries that repeatedly provide support for acts of international terrorism (that is, placing a country on the terrorism list) imposes four main sets of U.S. Government sanctions:"

See link here: [Link: www.state.gov...]

44 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:35:22pm

re: #14 NJDhockeyfan

Here's a little more from his speech....
Pope: War on Terror Must Respect Rights

"Society naturally has a right to defend itself," but the struggle against terrorism must respect moral and legal norms, the pope said.

"How can we claim to protect democracy if we threaten its very foundations?" Benedict said. "It is necessary both to keep careful watch over the security of civil society and its citizens while at the same time safeguarding the inalienable rights of all."

The pope did not mention specific countries or people.

After his snub of Condi Rice last week I think we all know who he's talking about.

45 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:35:43pm

re: #24 Silhouette

Sil -

And after all the MERDE is over - a US Army General became President of the University. OK - signing off - its Yom Kippur.-S-

46 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:36:02pm

Just because Columbia University is " Ivy League " oh ah--Don't assume that means anything----Just remember a sophomore named "Star" from MIT ( even harder to get into than Columbia ) just got arrested for having a fake bomb on her person as a fashion statement at Boston's Logan Airport. Kinda makes you wonder what the hell there teaching at our leading institutions!

47 bulwrk  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:36:11pm

Alot of the kids at Columbia in 1933 answered their nations call in the effort to defeat Hitler less than a decade latter, sadly I have no illusions about the kids at Columbia now running to the colors in defense of this nation

48 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:37:26pm
49 Racer X  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:37:28pm

I like Randy Newman:


We give them money
But are they grateful?
No they're spiteful
And they're hateful.
They don't respect us so let's surprise them;

We'll drop the big one and pulverize them.

50 EC Marm  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:37:56pm

re: #36 Cap'n DOC

so therefore, Benedict shouldn't be making statements using the name of God. God is not allah, and allah is not God.

I'm not sure if that is true or misquoted. But in his first encyclical he wrote this:

In a world where the name of God is sometimes associated with vengeance or even a duty of hatred and violence, this message is both timely and significant. For this reason, I wish in my first Encyclical to speak of the love which God lavishes upon us and which we in turn must share with others.... [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I interpret as meaning the religion of 'you know who'.

51 TBVet  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:38:19pm

rh2239@columbia.edu is Mr Hornsby's email address at Columbia if you want to tell him how much you admire his school's lofty idealism.

52 albusteve  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:39:01pm

re: #49 Racer X

I like Randy Newman:



We give them money
But are they grateful?
No they're spiteful
And they're hateful.
They don't respect us so let's surprise them;
We'll drop the big one and pulverize them.


Newman is a good patriot...nice catch

53 Highrise  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:39:37pm

re: #46 Nevergiveup

Yup.

Obtaining my own engineering degree from a college is what woke me up to the insaneness going on around me and the world. A degree or a college means nothing...it's the person and principles behind it.....that mean something.

Both my mother and father are non degreed and are really the smartest people I have ever met. They are well read and logical sort of people.

54 Gagdad Bob  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:39:57pm

We're lucky. If it hadn't been for Columbia's dialogue with Hitler, WWII could have been a real disaster.

55 Hardcore UFO  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:40:18pm

What does Colombia think will happen with having Ahmadickhead speaking at their university? That it will open people up to alternative viewpoints like holocaust denial? Why give this scum a platform to speak on? The administrators and faculty at Columbia should be ashamed of themselves.

56 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:40:23pm

While googling the Pope.....
Anger over art showing Pope in sex pose

THE Roman Catholic bishop of Ibiza has demanded that a collage depicting the late Pope John Paul II being sodomised be removed from an exhibit held at a former church on the Spanish holiday island.

The work is one of three collages by Ivo Hendriks that are part of a showcase of art by 15 Dutch artists with ties to Ibiza made over the last 50 years that opened on September 7 and is due to run until the end of the month.

The other two collages also depict religious figures in homosexual positions.

No Pics of Porno Pope could be found.

57 meMarc  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:40:26pm

Legitimating Nazism: Harvard University and the Hitler regime, 1933-1937.(Adolph Hitler)

"The Harvard University administration during the 1930s, led by President James Bryant Conant, ignored numerous opportunities to take a principled stand against the Hitler regime and its antisemitic outrages, and contributed to Nazi Germany's efforts to improve its image in the West. Its lack of concern about Nazi antisemitism was shared by many influential Harvard alumni and student leaders. In warmly welcoming Nazi leaders to the Harvard campus, inviting them to prestigious, high-profile social events, and striving to build friendly relations with thoroughly Nazified universities in Germany, while denouncing those who protested against these actions, Harvard's administration and many of its student leaders offered important encouragement to the Hitler regime as it intensified its persecution of Jews and expanded its military strength...

From 1933, when he assumed the presidency of America's oldest and most prestigious university, through 1937, Conant failed to speak out against Nazism on many occasions when it really mattered. He was publicly silent during the visit of the Nazi warship Karlsruhe to Boston in May 1934, some of whose crew Harvard entertained. He welcomed the high Nazi official Ernst (Putzi) Hanfstaengl to the June 1934 Harvard commencement. In March 1935, the Harvard administration permitted Nazi Germany's consul general in Boston to place a wreath bearing the swastika emblem in the university chapel. Conant sent a delegate from Harvard to the University of Heidelberg's 550th anniversary pageant in June 1936, and extended warm greetings to the Georg-August University in Goettingen on its two-hundredth anniversary in June 1937. In providing a friendly welcome to Nazi leader Hanfstaengl, President Conant and others prominently affiliated with Harvard communicated to the Hitler government that boycotts intended to destroy Jewish businesses, the dismissal of Jews from the professions, and savage beatings of Jews were not their concern. Conant's biographer, James Hershberg, trivialized Hanfstaengl's 1934 visit to Harvard by calling it "farcical"; it was, in fact, highly dangerous..."

58 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:40:59pm
59 americanpundit  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:41:52pm
#10 savage_nation

The Secret Service is providing security? Tell me that is a bad joke, please!

Nope. No joke.

60 Silhouette  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:42:33pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

THE Roman Catholic bishop of Ibiza has demanded that a collage depicting the late Pope John Paul II being sodomised be removed

Bet that demand isn't backed up with "or we'll kill someone."

61 EC Marm  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:43:11pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

"Society naturally has a right to defend itself," but the struggle against terrorism must respect moral and legal norms, the pope said.


I agree with the statement, don't you? I'm also quite comfortable with the Patriot Act. If the U.S. were to be performing Dr. Mengele style torture on Gitmo inmates I'm not so sure I could agree with that policy.

62 americanpundit  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:44:05pm

And though it says "If he goes to Ground Zero", whether he's going or not, the U.S.S.S. will still provide security. I think the NYPD provides security as well, they just weren't going to if he decided to go to GZ.

63 Brett_McS  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:44:29pm

What's Latin for "Supporting Fascism since 1930"?

64 bulwrk  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:44:58pm

re: #63 Brett_McS

PUTO

65 albusteve  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:45:01pm

re: #59 americanpundit

#10 savage_nation
The Secret Service is providing security? Tell me that is a bad joke, please!

Nope. No joke.

is the secret service obligated by law do provide security?...could the pres pull the plug?...does anybody know anything about this?...is bush supporting this visit by proxy?...wtf is going on?

66 pat  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:45:19pm

A Proud Tradition Of Lunacy Going Back 75 Years. New school motto

67 Highrise  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:46:03pm

re: #65 albusteve

inquiring minds want to know.

You can stop asking logical questions at any time.

/snicker

68 Silhouette  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:46:32pm

OT - How much do you know about the people who led their countries in 2006?

A quiz that I imagine the average lizard could do well on.

69 zygazint  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:46:41pm

re: #57 meMarc

When will people stop relying on the need to scape-goat? It's pathetic.

70 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:47:39pm

re: #61 EC Marm

Although a agree with the statement he's verging on LLL talking points there. I suspect he's talking about the Patriot Act, rendition flights and Gitmo as violations of human rights. It would have been helpful if he provided examples.

71 crepuscular prick  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:47:46pm

Columbia University is home to the prestigious Pulitzer Prize for Socialist Journalism.

With that knowledge, we know that the MSM will cover Columbia's ass if anything goes south on this one.

Interestingly, Columbia is also home to the Jewish Theological Seminary which if I'm recall correctly, is a bastion of liberal Jewish thought (i.e. Jewicidal.)

72 lowandslow  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:47:51pm

re: #58 Ringo the Gringo

Holy shit indeed.

73 albusteve  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:48:32pm

re: #67 Highrise

re: #65 albusteve

inquiring minds want to know.

You can stop asking logical questions at any time.

/snicker


well damnit!...who am I gonna blame?...aaarrrggg!

74 ciaospirit  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:48:46pm

re: #58 Ringo the Gringo

Holy $hit!


.....(video of an IED blowing up a road in Iraq)

And that bomb was probably courtesy of our very special guest Amadmanjerk.

How can we allow this man on U.S. soil?

75 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:48:55pm
76 Sizzlack  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:51:47pm

I guess I give them credit for being consistant.

77 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:52:30pm

re: #65 albusteve

is the secret service obligated by law do provide security?

Yep.

PROTECTIVE MISSION

Today, the Secret Service is authorized by law to protect:

. . .

Visiting heads of foreign states or governments and their spouses traveling with them, other distinguished foreign visitors to the United States, and official representatives of the United States performing special missions abroad

/there's also the Bureau of Diplomatic Security

78 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:52:35pm
79 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:52:44pm

re: #75 savage_nation

re: #59 americanpundit


#10 savage_nationThe Secret Service is providing security? Tell me that is a bad joke, please!

Nope. No joke.

Oh, joy!

It remains to be seen whether there will actually be a drive to the site. The NYC lizards are already on the prowl and fully intend to deter this expedition.

80 Confuzed  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:54:14pm

re: #14 NJDhockeyfan

...meanwhile in an early OT, the Pope's got the islamofacists seething again...

Pope in 'freedom' blast at Islam

Charles should post this as well, this is AWESOME and UNBELIEVABLE.

Maybe the world is finally waking up.

81 J.S.  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:55:13pm

re: #65 albusteve

I believe the Secret Service is obligated under International Law -- the United States must provide security for visiting foreign dignitaries. I guess it's understandable -- imagine if the dinner jacket met were to meet with an accident of some sort -- given the paranoia of the Iranians (not to mention the moonbat Leftists, including those at Columbia), quite a furor could erupt....(also the vistor's Visa enables dinnerjacket a 2 day run about, but within 25 miles of the United Nations building.)

82 EC Marm  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:55:22pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Although a agree with the statement he's verging on LLL talking points there. I suspect he's talking about the Patriot Act, rendition flights and Gitmo as violations of human rights. It would have been helpful if he provided examples.


To repeat:

"Society naturally has a right to defend itself," but the struggle against terrorism must respect moral and legal norms, the pope said.


With all due respect, I've never heard a LLL speak of the WOT in any phraseology approaching that. In fact, I really don't think they can grasp the concept that society must protect itself. I see it more of a qualified endorsement.
But in the words of some very famous man, "There you go again." :~)

83 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:55:49pm

re: #61 EC Marm

re: #44 Killgore Trout


"Society naturally has a right to defend itself," but the struggle against terrorism must respect moral and legal norms, the pope said.

I agree with the statement, don't you? I'm also quite comfortable with the Patriot Act. If the U.S. were to be performing Dr. Mengele style torture on Gitmo inmates I'm not so sure I could agree with that policy.


If the US were performing Dr Mengele syle torture on anyone, I know I would disagree with them. Waterboarding aint quite up to the doctors standards. I am willing to donate pink panties for the gitmo detainees, do you know who we could send them to?

84 albusteve  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:56:10pm

re: #74 ciaospirit

re: #58 Ringo the Gringo


Holy $hit!


.....(video of an IED blowing up a road in Iraq)


And that bomb was probably courtesy of our very special guest Amadmanjerk.

How can we allow this man on U.S. soil?


by law it cannot be disallowed it seems...what a pity...the CU thing doesnt piss me off nearly as much as him being allowed to wander from the UN roaming the streets of NYC in the first place...on principle then why cant he go uptown to a gig or for a boatride around the island or anywhere else inside his fucking 25mi girdle?...huh?...huh?...I usually dont get too mad but this whole thing is pissing me off bigtime and I'd like some answers however it is...

85 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:56:18pm
86 leepro  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:56:44pm

re: #21 NJDhockeyfan

Was there a DailyKos paper in 1933?

In 1933, the vast majority of Americans were patriotic, never quit, fighters!

87 albusteve  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:56:57pm

re: #77 Killian Bundy

re: #65 albusteve


is the secret service obligated by law do provide security?

Yep.

PROTECTIVE MISSION


Today, the Secret Service is authorized by law to protect:

. . .

Visiting heads of foreign states or governments and their spouses traveling with them, other distinguished foreign visitors to the United States, and official representatives of the United States performing special missions abroad


/there's also the Bureau of Diplomatic Security

fuck...thanks

88 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:57:29pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

While googling the Pope.....
Anger over art showing Pope in sex pose


THE Roman Catholic bishop of Ibiza has demanded that a collage depicting the late Pope John Paul II being sodomised be removed from an exhibit held at a former church on the Spanish holiday island.

The work is one of three collages by Ivo Hendriks that are part of a showcase of art by 15 Dutch artists with ties to Ibiza made over the last 50 years that opened on September 7 and is due to run until the end of the month.

The other two collages also depict religious figures in homosexual positions.


No Pics of Porno Pope could be found.

Thats it, I'm seething, where's the nearest Danish embassy. I need to vent, oh crap, I have to wait til after mass.

89 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:57:49pm

re: #82 EC Marm

I googled around and couldn't find any specifics. It would be interesting to hear his take on the Patriot Act, gitmo, etc.

90 J.S.  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:57:58pm

re: #78 savage_nation

I've read reviews that there were 2 Saudi government employees who oversaw the making of the film -- making sure the Saudis look like heroes. I hear it's a propaganda piece in praise of the wonderful, heroic Saudis.

91 pingjockey  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:58:00pm

So, how many liberal, Jewish kids are going to Columbia? And how many don't believe dinner jacket when he says he's going to do the 2nd holocaust? I mean Hitler was just misunderstood too.

92 Joe Mama  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:58:20pm

douchebags uber-alles.

93 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:58:30pm

re: #85 savage_nation

re: #79 Eowyn2


re: #75 savage_nation

re: #59 americanpundit


#10 savage_nationThe Secret Service is providing security? Tell me that is a bad joke, please!

Nope. No joke.

Oh, joy!

It remains to be seen whether there will actually be a drive to the site. The NYC lizards are already on the prowl and fully intend to deter this expedition.

If I could be there, you're damned right I would. You can block a lot of traffic with a 53 foot trailer, trust me


Damn, even a 48 will block traffic and if you have a reefer, you could keep the protestors warm. Where is your normal run?

94 Kohenan The Barbarian  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 3:59:38pm

An unbelievable example of gutless pandering of the Left magnified by the silent condoning of this outrage by the Jewish establishment attached to and supportive of Columbia University --in 1933 Antisematism was flourishing in the Americas and Jews had no political or economic powers as demonstated by the universal refusal to save millions of Jews from the Nazi Genocide--these Islamic Nazis are of the same breed as the German Bastards who as a Nation relished in the slaughter, degredation and wholesale confiscation of Jewish existance---"Never again" means--this time the payback will be enormous and catastrophic for the Islamic world and anyone else on their Jew-killing bandwaggon.

95 Paul  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:00:07pm

Back in the 30s a number of our most prestigious universities suffered from a pervasive anti-semitism. So seventy years have passed and a number of our most prestigious universities still suffer from a pervasive anti-semitism. The difference is in the politics of the anti-semites; back in the 30s it was the WASP establishment, today it's the Left and their Islamist allies.

96 albusteve  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:00:14pm

re: #93 Eowyn2

re: #85 savage_nation


re: #79 Eowyn2

re: #75 savage_nation

re: #59 americanpundit


#10 savage_nationThe Secret Service is providing security? Tell me that is a bad joke, please!

Nope. No joke.

Oh, joy!

It remains to be seen whether there will actually be a drive to the site. The NYC lizards are already on the prowl and fully intend to deter this expedition.

If I could be there, you're damned right I would. You can block a lot of traffic with a 53 foot trailer, trust me

Damn, even a 48 will block traffic and if you have a reefer, you could keep the protestors warm. Where is your normal run?


that is friggin funny!

97 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:00:50pm

re: #86 leepro

re: #21 NJDhockeyfan


Was there a DailyKos paper in 1933?

In 1933, the vast majority of Americans were patriotic, never quit, fighters!

I believe it was called Kossack Times back then:)

98 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:00:55pm
99 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:02:10pm

re: #96 albusteve

re: #93 Eowyn2


re: #85 savage_nation

re: #79 Eowyn2

re: #75 savage_nation

re: #59 americanpundit


#10 savage_nationThe Secret Service is providing security? Tell me that is a bad joke, please!

Nope. No joke.

Oh, joy!

It remains to be seen whether there will actually be a drive to the site. The NYC lizards are already on the prowl and fully intend to deter this expedition.

If I could be there, you're damned right I would. You can block a lot of traffic with a 53 foot trailer, trust me

Damn, even a 48 will block traffic and if you have a reefer, you could keep the protestors warm. Where is your normal run?

that is friggin funny!

Oh man,
a reefer is a refrigerated van. no munchies required.

100 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:02:41pm
101 albusteve  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:02:52pm

re: #99 Eowyn2

Burma Shave...

102 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:03:02pm

re: #30 albusteve

Your IQ is fine.
It is your reading comp skills that are a little slow.

Nicholas Murray Butler invited Nazi Germany’s ambassador to the United States, Hans Luther, to speak on campus,

It was the Ambassador to Naziland.
That headline is misleading bro.

103 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:03:51pm

re: #58 Ringo the Gringo

Holy $hit!


.....(video of an IED blowing up a road in Iraq)

we might be on the same email loop, I got that wednesday am.

104 Vinegar Joe  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:05:14pm

God I just love those Ivy League traditions.

105 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:05:17pm

re: #100 savage_nation

I'm not in NY, I sent some tshirts to no submission to hand out if they want. This was a hot topic on Wed and Thurs. I'm out west and the company I work for does a lot of different freight but very little to the east coast except LTL.

106 meMarc  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:05:49pm
107 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:05:55pm
108 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:06:02pm

re: #101 albusteve

that was a pretty long quote.

109 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:06:58pm
110 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:07:06pm
111 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:07:43pm

re: #107 savage_nation

re: #100 savage_nation

I wish I could bring the trailer I have now. 53 feet of trailer filled to the gills with hunting rifles, handguns of all types, crossbows, ammo up the ass and lots of knives, camouflage clothing and lots of beef jerky.

Cabelas, you know.

A lizards wetdream. hahah

112 meMarc  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:07:47pm

re: #106 meMarc

Castro appears healthier and more coherent than Dan Rather.

He don't need no stinkin' suspenders.

113 leepro  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:07:50pm

re: #97 Eowyn2

Nope. Back then even the New York Times (as well as most others) was a good paper, which adhered to true journalistic standards. Those few who weren't were slapped with the "Yellow Journalism" label. The "goods" far outnumbered the "bads" back then.

Anybody here remember, "Yes, Virginia..."?

/I am a retired journalist, and 3rd generation legacy to award-winning journalists. I know from whence I speak.

114 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:07:55pm
115 americanpundit  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:08:02pm
#65 albusteve

is the secret service obligated by law do provide security?...could the pres pull the plug?...does anybody know anything about this?...is bush supporting this visit by proxy?...wtf is going on?

According to the charter we signed in 1947, establishing the UN Headquarters:


The appropriate American authorities shall afford any necessary protection to such persons while in transit to or from the headquarters district.

Under the section regarding the transit of those visiting the UN on official business.

Interestingly enough, we also agreed that in the areas of:

electricity, water, gas, post, telephone, telegraph, transportation, drainage, collection of refuse, fire protection, snow removal, etcetera

that:


In case of any interruption or threatened interruption of any such services, the appropriate American authorities will consider the needs of the United Nations as being of equal importance with the similar needs of essential agencies of the Government of the United States, and will take steps accordingly, to ensure that the work of the United Nations is not prejudiced.

So in our agreement, we're actually required to treat the needs of the N as equal or greater importance than those of our own government.

116 albusteve  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:08:03pm

re: #102 hous bin pharteen

re: #30 albusteve

Your IQ is fine.
It is your reading comp skills that are a little slow.

Nicholas Murray Butler invited Nazi Germany’s ambassador to the United States, Hans Luther, to speak on campus,

It was the Ambassador to Naziland.
That headline is misleading bro.

had I ever read this history I'm certain I would have comp'd it just fine...uninformed is not the same as slow imo...interesting story and I'm gonna be all over it....like tomarrow...

117 missouri boy  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:08:36pm

re: #107 savage_nation

re: #100 savage_nation

I wish I could bring the trailer I have now. 53 feet of trailer filled to the gills with hunting rifles, handguns of all types, crossbows, ammo up the ass and lots of knives, camouflage clothing and lots of beef jerky.

Cabelas, you know.

A lizards wetdream. hahah

What roads are you taking?...me and the boys might accidently highjack your trailer......

just joking.........drive safe savage_

118 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:08:54pm

re: #111 Eowyn2

re: #107 savage_nation


re: #100 savage_nation

I wish I could bring the trailer I have now. 53 feet of trailer filled to the gills with hunting rifles, handguns of all types, crossbows, ammo up the ass and lots of knives, camouflage clothing and lots of beef jerky.

Cabelas, you know.

A lizards wetdream. hahah

Damn
It cut off my reply.
Someone has probably declared the site a No Gun zone. Almost as ludicrous as a No Flying Planes into Buildings Zone.

119 Dublin(CA)Dude  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:09:48pm

re: #109 song_and_dance_man

The fifth column.

120 albusteve  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:10:09pm

re: #116 albusteve


and thanks for the clarification...I forgot to say

121 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:10:15pm

re: #116 albusteve

I am not saying your slow.
I am saying the headline is misleading.
The headline says Hitler.
The story says the ambassador.

122 Racer X  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:10:52pm

re: #103 Eowyn2

re: #58 Ringo the Gringo

Holy $hit!


.....(video of an IED blowing up a road in Iraq)

we might be on the same email loop, I got that wednesday am.


WTH was that!? IED buried too deep?

123 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:10:56pm
124 mikeysdca  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:11:03pm

Hans Luther was not a Nazi.

125 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:11:24pm

re: #113 leepro

re: #97 Eowyn2

Nope. Back then even the New York Times (as well as most others) was a good paper, which adhered to true journalistic standards. Those few who weren't were slapped with the "Yellow Journalism" label. The "goods" far outnumbered the "bads" back then.

Anybody here remember, "Yes, Virginia..."?

/I am a retired journalist, and 3rd generation legacy to award-winning journalists. I know from whence I speak.

You're too young to be retired.
Back in those days it was like sargeant friday.
The Facts ma'am, just the facts.

There was still a lot of yellow journalism. The USSR was creeping through eastern europe taking over the trade unions, Italy had become fascist, franko in spain etc.

Were you a journalist or a reporter?

126 pingjockey  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:11:25pm

re: #109 song_and_dance_man
Communists.

127 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:11:53pm
128 albusteve  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:12:01pm

re: #121 hous bin pharteen

I was too hastey amigo...

129 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:12:11pm
130 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:12:40pm

re: #82 EC Marm
I can't find any statements from Benedict but the Vatican under JP wasn't a big fan of Dubbya...
Bush takes a tongue-lashing from the Pope over Iraq

I suspect there's some lingering animosity.

131 Highrise  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:13:23pm

re: #123 savage_nation


With the way bush is talking about it, looks like he isn't into denying anything in regards to this visit. I can only hope that behind the scenes he is trying to do something to prevent it...and playing the poker face to us.

132 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:13:29pm

re: #124 mikeysdca

Neither was Lex...

133 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:13:50pm

re: #122 Racer X

re: #103 Eowyn2


re: #58 Ringo the Gringo
Holy $hit!
.....(video of an IED blowing up a road in Iraq)
we might be on the same email loop, I got that wednesday am.

WTH was that!? IED buried too deep?

thats what evereyone here was thinking.

134 Eowyn2  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:14:31pm

well, time to head home for the weekend.
y'all take care.

135 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:14:54pm

re: #103 Eowyn2

Actually I found that on my favorite FrogBlog - No Pasaran!

136 J.S.  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:15:11pm

re: #98 savage_nation

Yeah, maybe. The propaganda though is subtle -- the propaganda is not really obvious. There are things which simply are not true which are presented in the film. Supposedly the film is loosely based on the Khobar Towers bombing...(remember that one?) Anyway, in the real event of Khobar Towers, the FBI (in attempting to investigate the death of all those Americans in S. Arabia) was stymied by the Saudis at virtually every turn...the FBI could not conduct an independent investigation. But this (fictional) movie obscures this reality by then showing how (although, at first uncooperative) the Saudi govt assists the FBI -- there's a "break-through" and with the help of good Saudi guy the investigators can pursue the case...blah, blah, blah...with the Saudis eventually becoming the valiant heroes. Anyway, Muslim audiences loved the flick. (Debbie Schlussel did a write-up on the film).

137 Syrah  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:15:32pm

OT
Dollars versus Euros

Airbus may also have to buy more goods in the dollar zone - where it currently buys about half its supplies, he added.

Buying more goods in the dollar zone would help lower costs as it would mean cheaper prices.

"If the euro remains durably at $1.45, that would mean we had to find one billion euros in additional savings under Power 8 [restructuring plan]," he told the French station.

"Our reply to a strong euro is, first to be more competitive, second to buy more in the dollar zone," he added.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7006060.stm

138 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:15:59pm
139 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:16:31pm
140 Joan Not of Arc  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:18:06pm

Gee, I guess some people haven't learned from history.
What the faculty of Columbia must be thinking to let someone like Ahmadinejad in to speak still blows my mind. If they don't get that he is a tyrant then they have no business even having a driver's license let alone teaching. If they are trying to cheese off "The Man", boy, are they in for a surprise.

141 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:18:12pm
142 yochanan  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:18:31pm

stupid moonbat

[Link: wbztv.com...]

143 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:18:39pm

re: #128 albusteve

No problemo.

144 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:18:45pm

The Ivory Tower of Academia has always thought itself above reproach in it's intellectual pursuits.
"Let's invite Ahmadinejad, Hitler or even Satan....we're so fu*king smart. We are Intellectuals! We have high IQ's! What does the RIF-RAF know?"

My point of reference?
My ex-wife was a PhD from Columbia. She would brag about her IQ of 165.
A truly superior human, no doubt........Why did I divorce her?..?....

Power to the Correct People!

145 Highrise  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:19:54pm

re: #139 savage_nation


Bush needs to go PUBLIC with it, on every network and cable outlet. Time for him to bash the little cockroach.


No disagreement there..whatsoever. We need someone much much tougher than bush in 08. If this is how we treat our foreign enemies, our domestic enemies are given the green light and flourishing. Someone is not living up to upholding our constitution and to protect us from foreign and domestic enemies.

146 yochanan  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:20:26pm

re: #144 IslandLibertarian

wackademics shit stinks just like the rest of us BUT THEY JUST HAVE MORE PLACES TO PUT IT..

147 lurknomore  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:20:29pm

re: #138 song_and_dance_man

Oh that's easy, muslims & democrats?

148 Thanos  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:20:34pm

LGF Lurker:

Thanks for dropping off the note on Hassan Nazeem, you now have a hat tip.

[Link: noblesseoblige.org...]

149 albusteve  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:21:23pm

re: #131 Highrise

re: #123 savage_nation


With the way bush is talking about it, looks like he isn't into denying anything in regards to this visit. I can only hope that behind the scenes he is trying to do something to prevent it...and playing the poker face to us.

good point but if they call his bluff he can still speak out ...it would be stunning to hear him take down the whole thing and probably good for him politically as well seeing how it'd be an indictment of the NYT, MoveOn and the left in general...he would appear current and involved and not aloof...

150 leepro  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:22:41pm

re: #125 Eowyn2

re: #113 leepro

re: #97 Eowyn2

Nope. Back then even the New York Times (as well as most others) was a good paper, which adhered to true journalistic standards. Those few who weren't were slapped with the "Yellow Journalism" label. The "goods" far outnumbered the "bads" back then.

Anybody here remember, "Yes, Virginia..."?

/I am a retired journalist, and 3rd generation legacy to award-winning journalists. I know from whence I speak.

You're too young to be retired.
Back in those days it was like sargeant friday.
The Facts ma'am, just the facts.

There was still a lot of yellow journalism. The USSR was creeping through eastern europe taking over the trade unions, Italy had become fascist, franko in spain etc.

Were you a journalist or a reporter?

Thanks for the compliment, Eowyn, but alas! I am old enough. :(

Actually, my whole adult life was a mix of graphic design, publishing and later a freelance writer. Wrote one book (never publicly published) which is on file in the University of Memphis Library, Special Collection archive.

Also helped my father some. He was a multiple-award-winning editorial cartoonist for the (Memphis) Commercial Appeal. His father (my grandfather - same job) won the Pulitzer for the paper back [circa] 1929.

151 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:23:16pm

Since we're on the topic of psychopathic killers, guess who popped up today?

Almost Lifelike Castro Surfaces in "New" Video

152 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:23:25pm
153 EC Marm  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:23:56pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

I can't find any statements from Benedict but the Vatican under JP wasn't a big fan of Dubbya...

I don't think PB XVI is as anti-war as JP. With the article you linked above, especially the ""Society naturally has a right to defend itself" quote, he seems to be acknowledging the necessity of this war. I think maybe JP expected islam to fall as easily (no shots fired) as Poland was liberated from Communism.
I'd love to find the article I saw years ago about his research into islam, because the article stated that it was one of his major areas of research as a professor of Theology, in fact it was one of the reasons for his selection as Pope, but the earlier controversy has it buried.

154 ciaospirit  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:25:19pm

#84 albusteve

by law it cannot be disallowed it seems...what a pity...


We don't have to allow him the run of NYC. He should be shuttled to the U.N., give his good for nothing speech and shuttled right back to the airport.

155 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:26:02pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

Well, the Vatican wouldn't have cared for me, either. Have you ever seen this picture? I just went Googling, and this is the first place I found it. I have no idea what the site is about.

JP was very duplicitous - even after the assassination attempt. Try explaining that one to your children...

156 leepro  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:26:10pm

re: #125 Eowyn2

You also said of the NYT back in the day...

Back in those days it was like sargeant friday.
The Facts ma'am, just the facts.

You are right. And that's what I meant: Facts, actual FACTS.

>:D

157 lurknomore  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:26:12pm

re: #153 EC Marm

I'm sure that they would NOT want us to see that...Probably buried for the next 75 years...

158 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:26:41pm

From Hot Air headlines....

159 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:26:47pm
160 albusteve  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:27:08pm

re: #152 savage_nation

re: #149 albusteve


re: #131 Highrise

re: #123 savage_nation


With the way bush is talking about it, looks like he isn't into denying anything in regards to this visit. I can only hope that behind the scenes he is trying to do something to prevent it...and playing the poker face to us.


good point but if they call his bluff he can still speak out ...it would be stunning to hear him take down the whole thing and probably good for him politically as well seeing how it'd be an indictment of the NYT, MoveOn and the left in general...he would appear current and involved and not aloof...

Doubt thats gonna happen. The Saudis are George's puppetmaster and he won't do anything without the Kings blessing.

what a vile thought...he'll hide behind the fucking UN sure enough....

161 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:27:48pm

re: #155 Cap'n DOC

That picture has been the topic of very heated debates here in the past.

162 Silhouette  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:28:01pm

Dear President Bush,

My son fighting in Iraq was killed by an IED. In your statement to the nation in January of this year, you said, "(Iran is) allowing terrorists and insurgents to use their territory to move in and out of Iraq. Iran is providing material support for attacks on American troops."

How can we allow the US to play host to the man 'providing material support for attacks on American troops?

Signed,
Mom

/No, the above isn't real. But there is more than one mother that could write this letter (fake but accurate? perish the thought)

163 nev.  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:28:32pm

re: #9 RTLM

Ah - "Progressives".

Hence the quote: "Those who learn nothing from history are doomed to repeat it."

They haven't "progressed" much.

164 Ginn  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:28:45pm

Charles....

Cartoonist in Bangladesh gets one month jail sentence over you know what...

< ahref="[Link: deathby1000papercuts.blogspot.com...] Editors Plead With Muslims To Stay Calm Over Cartoon

165 lurknomore  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:28:53pm

This is "real deep" and will take a long time to read thru- but check it out & tell me what you think about it...

[Link: www.thepopeinred.com...]

166 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:29:12pm
167 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:29:57pm
168 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:31:35pm
169 EC Marm  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:31:59pm

re: #155 Cap'n DOC
He had a bet with some Divinity students back in the Vatican about how close he could get it to his nose before the stench of sulfur knocked him out.
/inside info

170 cookielady  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:32:35pm

And so they continue in their time-honored tradition of joining hands in solidarity with Jew-killers.

Scumbags. Ivy League my little pinkie... more like Scurvy League.

171 Dustyvet  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:33:09pm

re: #34 the historian

In other words, Columbia has a history of poor judgment and lack of common sense.

www.greensrealworld.blogspot.com


Not surprised by that at all.

172 Syrah  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:33:19pm

OT (but tangentially related)
There was another funeral for an assassinated politician in Lebanon today

Even pro-Syrian Mr Lahoud said it was no coincidence that someone was killed whenever there were positive developments in Lebanon.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7005950.stm

173 vxbush  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:34:52pm

Oh, I want to post something erudite and intelligent, but there's nothing left! You folks have covered it all and far better than I could.

So I'll just say:

Ditto.

/yeah, it's lame, but it's Friday

174 WayDownSouthInBama  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:34:53pm

Any truth to the rumor that next summer Columbia will invite Satan to speak on the bigotry of Christians and his illegal disenfranchisement from Heaven?

175 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:34:53pm
176 EC Marm  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:35:05pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout
Funny thing is, the person that posted that picture most often got into a fight with Charles a couple of nights ago and hasn't been back since. Apparently, she didn't like getting repeatedly voted down.

177 albusteve  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:36:10pm

re: #154 ciaospirit

#84 albusteve


by law it cannot be disallowed it seems...what a pity...

We don't have to allow him the run of NYC. He should be shuttled to the U.N., give his good for nothing speech and shuttled right back to the airport.

I agree...whats stopping him from it tho?...any reason to prevent him from going on a boat ride would also be a reason from him seeing ground zero...the feds are allowing this and Im steamed...fucking Bush has insulted me a few times now about issues I thought were rightous and patriotic and showed common sense and he didnt....if it is within his legal bounds then he should stop this fiasco...if not he should speak his mind...screw him...I'm gettin fed up and I burn pretty slow...

178 DANEgerus  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:36:21pm

Will Iran be be celebrating a devastating “final response” on 10/12/2007 at their Quds Day rallies in Tehran?

Will A-mad-in-the-head be celebrating his post-'warning' attack on the infidel at the end of the Month of Jihad

Iran is a 1/2 day ahead of us... when it's 10/11 there it will still be "10-10" here.

179 Racer X  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:36:28pm

re: #174 WayDownSouthInBama

Any truth to the rumor that next summer Columbia will invite Satan to speak on the bigotry of Christians and his illegal disenfranchisement from Heaven?

Isn't that Amadinnyjihad?

180 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:36:49pm

Everybody hates an atheist....
Soldier Who Sued Army Facing Threats

An Army specialist stationed in Iraq said he has been repeatedly threatened by other US soldiers after word spread that he sued the secretary of defense and an Army major this week for allegedly retaliating against the soldier when he convened a meeting of atheists, according to the founder of a military watchdog organization that filed the lawsuit on behalf of the soldier and has been in close contact with him since then.

Jeremy Hall, 22, who is based out of Fort Riley, Kansas, is deployed in Iraq. The email said a fellow soldier has threatened to "beat his ass," called him an "atheist ass pirate" and "a faggot" and enlisted a "lynch mob" of other soldiers to intimidate Hall because of the allegations Hall made against the military in a lawsuit Weinstein's foundation and Hall filed Monday in US District Court in Kansas City.

Weinstein said he has been in contact with supporters of his foundation who have reported the posting of messages on military and civilian-based blogs, such as military.com, apparently threatening Hall with "fragging," .....


Now I'm seething.

181 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:37:15pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

Understood. Interfaith 'harmony' took top billing. Benedict's recent comments, if you ignore the RageBoy crap, was much more focussed on the irreconcilable differences between Christianity's God and that of the mohammedans. Somehow, reading comprehension played no part in what they rejected of his statements.

182 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:37:36pm

re: #176 EC Marm

Who was that? I missed it.

183 Thanos  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:37:43pm
184 400lb Gorilla  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:38:24pm

GOAT BOY comes to Columbia
THEY SHOULD BE ASHAMED

185 beavereater  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:38:30pm

God! How I hate Liberal reruns, except Hogans Heros! And a good kickbutt Tom Mix movie.

186 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:39:57pm
187 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:39:57pm
188 insanity police  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:40:27pm

Anti-Semite murderers welcomed with open arms into an academic institution? Shocker.

/sarc

189 ExitRamp  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:41:04pm

For entertainment I was perusing the dailykos today and found an interesting post. It is nice to see that at least one of them is willing to speak out against Columbia University's "special guest." I saved a screenshot in case they take it down.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Take special note to how many reccomendations it has gotten, and how many replies it has gotten. I am going to create an account over there and give this guy a rec. He is a needle in a haystack.

On that note, I wonder if the Columbia University college democrats are planning to protest the appearance of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. We can ask the president of the Columbia college democrats, his email address is: jsl2120@columbia.edu ([Link: www.cudemocrats.com...]

We should also applaud the college republicans from Columbia University who are actively protesting this event.

190 EC Marm  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:43:59pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout I'm pretty sure you know who 'gg' is, right?
/ If not, I'll spell it out.

191 albusteve  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:44:15pm

re: #186 savage_nation

re: #177 albusteve


re: #154 ciaospirit

#84 albusteve

by law it cannot be disallowed it seems...what a pity...

We don't have to allow him the run of NYC. He should be shuttled to the U.N., give his good for nothing speech and shuttled right back to the airport.

I agree...whats stopping him from it tho?...any reason to prevent him from going on a boat ride would also be a reason from him seeing ground zero...the feds are allowing this and Im steamed...fucking Bush has insulted me a few times now about issues I thought were rightous and patriotic and showed common sense and he didnt....if it is within his legal bounds then he should stop this fiasco...if not he should speak his mind...screw him...I'm gettin fed up and I burn pretty slow...

Oh, the pansy-in-chief will welcome that pipsqueak to New York to appease the Muslims of the world. More religion of piece platitudes and the like. Show the world we are oh so tolerant of differing viewpoints.

Fuck!

I need some stones...street fightin man sounds good right now...

192 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:45:16pm

And to all other suggestions that I'm looking to either dis Benedict or any of his predecessors, I am not and will not bash him. It's easy enough to bash the Catholic church - it's only been around for 2,000 years. It's much easier to focus on the likes of mohammed and his minions.

It's sorta like shooting fish in a barrel.

/certainly hope I don't rate the ban stick for that one.

193 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:46:01pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout

I missed it as well.

194 Render  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:46:24pm

Somebody up above asked if there was an equivalent to Kos, (and Huffpoo, DU), in the pre-WW2 years.

The answer is yes.

Fritz Kuhn's German-American Bund, (which wasn't exactly American and wasn't exactly a bund), and Father Charles Coughlin's "Christian Front," (which wasn't really Christian or a front).

[Link: www.ushmm.org...]

It still saddens me that my grandfather had to see those scumbags come back with different names before he died.

===

That's right Kostards, that's what I call you. Because that's what you are.

WELCOME TO
THE FUTURE,
R

195 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:47:10pm
196 Ginn  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:47:33pm

re: #194 Render

Render! HAs Kirly seen her cartoon yet?

197 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:48:25pm
198 tradewind  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:50:49pm

The little piece of Shiite is telling the truth when he says he just wants to go to ground zero as a sign of respect ,to lay a wreath: he just doesn't mention that he's laying it in honor of the nineteen murdering [bigoted word]s who hijacked our planes.
This doesn't seem to matter much to Columbia **.
I hope every alum who's endowed a chair cuts off the funding, asap. ( At least the Americans.....).
**World's
Worst
J School
Evuh.

199 Render  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:50:57pm

re: #196 Ginn

Don't think so...

We were just lamenting the lack of cartoon Kirlyness last night.

OFF
WE
GO,
R

200 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:51:32pm
201 Ginn  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:52:31pm

re: #199 Render

Here you go.. scroll down!

[Link: deathby1000papercuts.blogspot.com...]

202 albusteve  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:56:44pm

re: #197 savage_nation

re: #191 albusteve

How about a little Elton?

keith richards of the keyboards...good song

203 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:58:32pm
204 albusteve  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 4:58:55pm

re: #200 savage_nation

re: #191 albusteve

Or maybe this is what you were thinking of...

oh yeah...there you have it...tap tap...nice shot

205 sheik yer'mami  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 5:01:37pm

Just confirms the leftards propensity towards totalitarianism.
Every leftie is a closet Nazi.

Leftist wakademia essentially admire despotism. They are brownshirts and pretend libertarians...

Steven Emerson: JIHAD IS JIHAD
scroll down a bit:

[Link: sheikyermami.com...]

206 Render  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 5:02:34pm

re: #201 Ginn

Kirly's HAWT! And armed!

MAWOMAN,
R

207 Carol Herman  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 5:19:32pm

Give this some thought.

Hitler's on par with the guy who designed the EDSEL.

When he killed himself, we was already hiding in his bunker. And, germany LOST.

Then? Came Stalin. So, half of germany had the "delight" of living under soviety authority.

From one "authority" to another.

With so much just flushed down the toilet.

Talk about opportunities foresaken. Because places like Columbia U. And, others. Haven't heard the downside, yet. But the german's paid a huge price!

Of course, it's taught that the germans' paid a huge price following their "first" adventure: WW1. But that's not true. They didn't pay a penny of that debt.

Too bad they bought Hitler's schtick though. It seems, when you check it out; the price comes due when you lose.

Oh ... and if you heard someone was credentialed by Columbia, would you guess that they still live at home? In their parents basements.

208 Kirly  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 5:25:04pm

re: #206 Render

re: #201 Ginn

Kirly's HAWT! And armed!

MAWOMAN,
R

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !

woohoo! look at me in my favorite color - military olive green!
matches my eyes! lol

and, yes indeed I am armed!

but Ginn, how'd you know i was so curvy? teehee

209 Goosio  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 5:36:20pm

The comparison helps makes the point, but you sure don't need it to know that inviting this evil nutbag to Columbia is a dumb, awful idea.

210 directorblue  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 5:48:54pm
211 Outrider  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 6:53:45pm

An interesting article was posted at Israelunitycoalition.org concerning Columbia University’s invitation to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to speak at its' campus. The last paragraphs are most interesting so I will post them:

(...)
"...Meanwhile: As Columbia welcomes Ahmadinejad to campus, Columbia students who want to serve their country cannot enroll in the Reserve Officers Training Corps (ROTC) at Columbia. Columbia students who want to enroll in ROTC must travel to other universities to fulfill their obligations. ROTC has been banned from the Columbia campus since 1969. In 2003, a majority of polled Columbia students supported reinstating ROTC on campus. But in 2005, when the Columbia faculty senate debated the issue, President Bollinger joined the opponents in defeating the effort to invite ROTC back on campus.

A perfect synecdoche for too much of American higher education: they are friendlier to Ahmadinejad than to the U.S. military.

212 Areopagitica  Fri, Sep 21, 2007 11:10:31pm

Maybe I should stop reading and posting here for the next few days. The impending arrival of the Dinner Jacket is red lining my blood pressure.

This was and maybe still could be a great chance to tell the world of islamonazis that we will resist any and all moves by them to impose their dreams of a global caliphate. Unfortunately, I think those in power to really do so have lost their balls.

There really is nothing more I'd like right now than to be tailing dinner jacket's car and throwing eggs, with a star of david drawn on them, at his entorage. Ooooh those evil jooooish zionist egg yolks.

213 Strike Hornet  Sat, Sep 22, 2007 12:13:08pm

Academia....where bright, inquiring minds go to learn to repeat the same mistakes over and over and over and over again...
Ben Franklin's definition of "Insanity" comes to mind here:
"Doing the same thing over and over again. expecting a different result..."
I'm sure now Ben was referring to Academia...


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