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24 hour rule?

This spent well over 24 hours on the recommended list.

PICTURE THIS: Lucianne had it posted the other day. (I hope she brings it back!)

It was Hillary; wearing a navy blazer. With all of Petraeus' medals on it.

But to show Hillary earned them. Each one was named.

My favorite? The one she got for stealing White House furniture.

But just reviewing her talents; and giving her medals, made for an impressive chest.

Hillary really doesn't have an impressive chest, though.

The descriptions of that event by the two separate journalists match perfectly - one mortar round hit between 40 and 50 meters away from Generals Petraeus and Wallace as they read a map on the hood of a Humvee. They acted nonchalant.

Of course they did, leaders are supposed to be steadfast under attack. All the troops look to them. This is moronic

Had no idea. Of course, I get all of my news here, so that's understandable.

I have a comment"

http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=176306&f r=yfp-t-471

Fiuck you, Ahmadi Jehad

Honestly, who is going to believe this and who is going to care. The smallness of personality & decency on the left is astounding.

My immediate take - none of the AssHats have any clue what real combat is like - from any perspective. I think I can safely hold my breath on this one.

After all, DKos is renowned for its military experts.
/

I can't speak to the medals authenticity. But the allegation is very serious, so even if it were half true, then that would be a very bad thing!

/drive-by_media_logic

I was a one'seee !
I was a one'seee !
Nanner, on a Friday Night no less!

/maturity of a KOS Tot

KOS diarists have much authority on military topics with me as Cindy Sheehan has on particle physics.

I not only doubt that this is true, I doubt that the Kostards would be capable of catching it if it WERE true. They know as much about the military as I know about quantum chromodynamics.

They need to just crawl back under their rocks.

Is Kos still looking into John Kerry's purple hearts?

this diarist cannot conclude other than

Great! "Conclude" away, you apparently dishonest diarist. Legally, practically, truthfully, practically, means zip. A carefully parsed statement. Insinuating is the tactic. How effective the insinuation? Depends on how gullible the audience is.

Now, if I get the timing jusssst right... Shootin' for #17.... Gonna get two holes in one tonight with this shot...

Yes! #1 and #17 !

/sorry for the bandwidth munching while I'm goofing off.

Wow, that's fucking despicable of those kossack morons.

re: #4 Carol Herman

Looking for this?

/this one is amusing also

I just saw the h/t for the National Press Club: Lunch With Ahmadinejad
thread. Thank you Charles.

Here's a thread over at Powerline....
The NutRoots “Has No Shame”....

Still reading...

Sort of on topic.

Edwards: I Would Have Voted Against Resolution Condemning MoveOn

No surprise there. But he's in trouble when he gets home.

“Someone who’s spent their life in the military doesn’t deserve ‘General Betray Us,’” said Edwards, wife of Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards.

re: #14 Caliredst8r

Is Kos still looking into John Kerry's purple hearts?

/yeah, at least Petraeus didn't shoot himself

Why on earth would anybody believe anything they have to say?
/ did they all 'gradiate' from Columbia?

The only thing they learnt well, is swearing and fowl words.

re: #14 Caliredst8r

They can't. There's, um... nothing to look up. Of course, I wore BandAids a couple of times myself, but since I had to stick 'em on my own butt, I didn't need to concern myself with filling out paperwork. And believe me, please, it takes paperwork to warrant a Purple Heart.

Don't care he has 4 other awards higher than bronze star.

Awards

re: #20 Killian Bundy

re: #4 Carol Herman

Looking for this?

Is it just me, or in this photo does she look like she's about to rotate her head 360 and start shooting fire out of her mouth?

#22 addendum

see comment #24

What the Old Troll doesn’t know is that the criteria for earning a bronze star are not that tough. They are, in fact, far less stringent thant for earning the Legion of Merit.

General Patraeus has earned FOUR of the Legion of Merit awards.

legion.gif

The “Combat Action Badge” was earned, just like all of his decorations were. The Troll, ignorant as all lefties about the military, confuses it with the CIB, or “Combat Infantry Badge.”

re: #25 new2thezoo

{Quack!}

Army Awards
AR 600-8-22

Daily Kos can up with nothing better than this? Daily Kos is a fraud. It's a fraud in that it claims to represent the views of liberals, yet it presents stupidity or 1984ish reality inversion and not much else. On the other hand, that is probably not a fraudulent representation of the Left. The Left pretty much made itself irrelevant when it put fantasy before actually fighting for the working wo/man. We need somebody who stands up for the working people, as the Democrats used to do a long, long time ago. That's fine. It balances out things. But liberals no longer seem to care about working Americans. They care about all things non-American. So Daily Kos is par for the course in the liberal firmament: they care about showing how evil America is and don't seem to care about much else.

So, if they're such an expert on medals, why don't they actually bother naming the medal in question rather than being so broad about it?

Lieutenant General David H. Petraeus
Commanding General Biography
Awards and decorations earned by Lieutenant General Petraeus include the Defense Distinguished Service Medal, the
Distinguished Service Medal, two awards of the Defense Superior Service Medal, four awards of the Legion of Merit,
the Bronze Star Medal with “V” device, the State Department Superior Honor Award, and the Gold Award of the Iraqi
Order of the Date Palm. He is a Master Parachutist and Air Assault and Ranger qualified. He has also earned the
Combat Action Badge and French, British, and German Jump Wings.

I say KOS is fullashit.

David H. Petraeus - Four Star General

General George C. Marshall Award winner as the top graduate of the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College

U.S. military decorations
Defense Distinguished Service Medal
Distinguished Service Medal (with Oak Leaf Clusters)
Defense Superior Service Medal (with Oak Leaf Clusters)
Legion of Merit (with 3 Oak Leaf Clusters)
Bronze Star Medal (with “V” Device)
Defense Meritorious Service Medal
Meritorious Service Medal (with 2 Oak Leaf Clusters)
Joint Service Commendation Medal
Army Commendation Medal (with 2 Oak Leaf Clusters)
Joint Service Achievement Medal
Army Achievement Medal

U.S. unit awards
Joint Meritorious Unit Award (with 3 Oak Leaf Clusters)
Army Meritorious Unit Commendation
Army Superior Unit Award

U.S. non-military decorations
State Department Superior Honor Award

U.S. service (campaign) medals and service and training ribbons
National Defense Service Medal (with 2 Service Stars)
Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal
Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal
Iraq Campaign Medal
Armed Forces Service Medal
Humanitarian Service Medal
Army Service Ribbon
Army Overseas Service Ribbon (with 2 Oak Leaf Clusters)

U.S. badges, patches and tabs
Combat Action Badge
Expert Infantryman Badge
Master Parachutist Badge
Air Assault Badge
Joint Chiefs of Staff Identification Badge
Army Staff Identification Badge
Ranger Tab
Multi-National Force—Iraq Patch
101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) Patch
Foreign military decorations
Gold Award of the Iraqi Order of the Date Palm

Foreign badges, patches and tabs
British Parachutist Badge
French Parachutist Badge
German Parachutist Badge

Non-U.S. service medals and ribbons
United Nations Mission in Haiti (UNMIH) Medal[33]
NATO Meritorious Service Medal

Yeah, I can see why he'd feel the need to bulk up his commendations with a fake medal.

Let's not forget that he is tabbed. I'm sure parts of his record are not open to Kos public viewing.

re: #30 ChenZhen

Have yer laugh, General. You better be takin' advantage of your Spell and GrammarChecker however, because I'll be on your words like Stink on Shit.

re: #29 Killgore Trout

#22 addendum

see comment #24

What the Old Troll doesn’t know is that the criteria for earning a bronze star are not that tough. They are, in fact, far less stringent thant for earning the Legion of Merit.

General Patraeus has earned FOUR of the Legion of Merit awards.

legion.gif

The “Combat Action Badge” was earned, just like all of his decorations were. The Troll, ignorant as all lefties about the military, confuses it with the CIB, or “Combat Infantry Badge.”

After a few bong hits, the medals all look alike.

Dan Rather swears it's true. And he's got the documents to prove it.

As a combat vet, I see nothing out of place with the General's ribbons up until Operation Iraqi Freedom. So who is the Kosmonaut's authority?

What is this secret bullshit. And I think this guy is talking about campaign ribbons, not a medal.

And, you know what else?

There is no greater pain than the pain that you feel when you bury your own child.

Come on, Ahmaddinahacket.. I got nothing to lose, you gaat damed p;ice of shiite.. Come on down to my daughters grave.... They call it ground zero.

Mother farcker.

re: #31 Allah al Fubar

Uh....
What are you talking about?

re: #41 joegosox

Um. A guy by the name of Killian, perchance?

Ermm nevermind, I went over to that awful site. I find it funny that the author was never there could make such a certain conclusion about what transpired during that series of events.

This dates back to one of the Lefts proudest moments, when they used a untrue smear about medals to cover the murder of Admiral Boorda by, well, you know.....

Trout.. I'm just having a moment.

I know I'm horribly biased, but I'm extemely skeptical of any kind of anaysis on the military coming from kos. It's about as reliable as engineering analysis from the troofers.

Sorry, Charles. I see that my comment was deleted.

I apologize for only ONE thing: That our Country would allow a beast to come and lay a wreath at my daughter's resting place.

Let my daughter lay in peace for crying out loud.

All the brass on Petraeus' chest could never compare to John F. Kerry's three purple hearts.

Those hangnails are ba-a-a-d news.

Since it is is from Kos, I doubt is is true. If it is proven to be false they can just go to dan rather for advice.

re: #51 eastvillageinfidel

Or a Holocaust remembrance led by Ahmed Dinnerjacket.

Who wrote this ... John Kerry or Jesse MacBeth?

uh-huh...

I see...

BS PHD.

===

I have a copy of Rick Atkinson's "In the Company of Hero's," which in spite of the authors political stances, (not W or OIF friendly) and employment history (WashPoo), I highly recommend.

The Kostards are making this up on the fly. And may very well have crossed into lawsuit land this time.

Do not mess with a Screaming Eagle.

[Link: www.campbell.army.mil...]

PISS
ANTS,
R

An abomination if this beast is allowed to place his toe.... even one toe on such sacred ground. For shame.. Absolute and total shame.

/Can't stop crying

re: #28 rp1138

re: #20 Killian Bundy

re: #4 Carol Herman

Looking for this?

Is it just me, or in this photo does she look like she's about to rotate her head 360 and start shooting fire out of her mouth?

She got them demonic Condi eyes goin' on

re: #26 Cap'n DOC

I was an Army medic during Desert Storm, so I've had some experience with the paperwork involved with awarding a purple heart, but it also takes an actual wound to warrant a purple heart. Getting a coupla buddies to help really smooths things along, you know, "eyewitnesses".

Nobody cares, and that's okay. Know this:

My daughter was incinerated and remains someplace at ground zero.

Fuck you, Ahmadi Jehad!

Gotta watch for Generals flying false flags...

They embraced a slobby photo of their hero Jessie McBeth as authentic and didn't even question the horrendous errors on his uniform...but they're going to nit-pick a 4-star general's medals? Puleeeezzzz.

To believe anything written on kos takes a willing suspension of disbelief.

What's a Combat Action Badge?

re: #18 Max Darkside

Please stop goofing off. I'm kinda, sorta, trying to LEARN some stuff here. (goes away grumbling to himself!)

#59 Allah al Fubar

I'm very sorry for the loss of your daughter. I lost many neighbors at the Pentagon that day. I wouldn't want that terrorist here either. Hopefully the good folk of New York will be there to express their "disdain" for his presence.

Bottom Line? General Petraeus is a General Officer. He can award himself any decorations he likes and have someone typing up the award before morning. Plus General Officders set their own uniforms (AS 600-8-200), which is why Patton got away with his tanker's riding pants.

Whiny Kosbots!

~~JD~~

re: #44 Killgore Trout

re: #31 Allah al Fubar

Uh....
What are you talking about?

I think this is an Iron Fist Rule exception

re: #62 Allah al Fubar

i am so sorry to hear this. i am so sorry for your pain, i'm speechless and staring off into space

Allah al Fubar: you're posting things you shouldn't. You need to take a break, and because I suspect you're not going to do it by yourself, I'm giving you a timeout.

re: #36 Geepers

As a dirty nasty leg once said (me) "That MoFo is tabbed out!"

Allah al Fubar (#62),

Nobody cares,

That's not true.

Go to this thread Outrage of the Day and see how many people are outraged and are going to be there to make sure that despicable POS doesn't get anywhere near Ground Zero.

re: #62 Allah al Fubar

Timeout

This user is blocked.

re: #62 Allah al Fubar

Please accept my condolences. One of my mother's good friends from when I was growing up lost two of her sons on 9/11. One of my brother and sister in law's good friends was on Flight 93. I don't want that terrorist scumbag anywhere near Ground Zero.

Mortars at Checkpoint Charlie:
The American Soldier's View of Senior Officers
American soldiers expect their senior leaders to exhibit physical courage and to face the dangers of combat without flinching. They have an informal network that passes information about leaders quickly, far beyond the immediate area of an incident. Nothing a senior officer does in combat is ever really hidden from his soldiers. They see. . . They hear. . . They know.
The details of one such incident involving several senior officers' actions under fire were soon known across V Corps and positively affected the confidence and morale of soldiers far from the actual fighting. On 30 March, the 101st Airborne Division was assaulting through An Najaf. Mortar fire began impacting near a crowded road intersection known as Checkpoint Charlie. There was a group of senior officers and other personnel at the checkpoint, including the V Corps Commander, Lieutenant General Wallace, the 101st Airborne Division Commander, Major General Petraeus, the ADC-O, Brigadier General Freakley, and a special forces liaison team. The senior officers huddled around the hood of a HMMWV, using it as a desk while they discussed the ongoing battle.

The initial mortar rounds landed 300 meters away. Rounds started walking in at 100-meter intervals. The three general officers continued their hood-top meeting, seemingly oblivious to the creeping mortar fire. A round suddenly landed unannounced less than 30 meters away, causing everyone to jump a little. One sergeant recalled that generals backed up about 10 feet and continued with their business.

Without warning, a sudden burst of small-arms and automatic weapons fire broke out near the checkpoint. Lieutenant General Wallace and the other general officers moved immediately to the sound of the guns, with their MP squad security detachment running to keep up. Another mortar round landed not 20 yards away from them as they ran. Fortunately, none of the group was injured. The firefight ended quickly, and a Kiowa Warrior (armed reconnaissance helicopter) finally spotted the mortar tube and initiated a call for fire that destroyed it.

The story of the calm way with which the generals reacted circulated quickly among soldiers. The military policemen assigned to protect Lieutenant General Wallace told their comrades about it and it spread from there. That the corps commander was willing to put himself up so near the fighting, and that he and Major General Petraeus seemed to move to the fighting instinctively, impressed many of the soldiers who heard of it. They said that it gave them a high regard for Lieutenant General Wallace and made them admire him as a leader.

Compiled from soldier interviews
conducted by Lieutenant Colonel Dennis Cahill and
Lieutenant Colonel (retired) Arthur Durante

Source

Allah al Fubar

We care.

We remember

We won't ever forget

The pig in a jacket will not be going to GZ.

re: #76 livefreeor die
Surely there are enough New Yorkers who would block traffic for miles if Dinnerjacket heads toward Ground Zero. SURELY!?

Wait Daily Kos is casting doubt on medals ?

What medals did Kos himself earn in the military ? Answer that before you point fingers moron

re: #79 cbinflux

I think that's a fairly safe bet.

re: #62 Allah al Fubar

many of us will be at ground zero in the morning and at the un later. that sob will get the message.

Petraeus commanded combat troops in the Iraq invasion, and Fallujah I believe ... There was one incident I recall where he and Gen Wallace (?) hung out and finished their business without flincing during a full on mortar attack, and didn't bust a nut ... I'd call that valor ...

These treasonous filth should all be deported to Venezuela.

Kos Kids are shameless.

O/T
Sign the petition: ARREST AHMADINEJAD IN THE U.S. ON SEPTEMBER 23, 2007!

re: #24 Killian Bundy

re: #14 Caliredst8r

Is Kos still looking into John Kerry's purple hearts?

/yeah, at least Petraeus didn't shoot himself

Nope. He did not do that. The man has however, while in service to his country as a soldier, been shot. He was shot in the chest during a live fire exercise:

His do-or-die competitiveness is legend in the Army. Fifteen years ago, he carried on during maneuvers at Fort Campbell, Ky., after being struck by a rifle bullet in the chest, until a commander ordered him taken away on a stretcher. Laughing about it now, he says he would have died if the bullet had hit the ‘A’ in Army, over his heart, instead of the ‘a’ in Petraeus on his nametag.

In addition, this General commanded the 101st Airborne Division during V Corps's drive to Baghdad through fighting in Karbala, Hilla, and Najaf. PERIOD.

General Patraeus is a man of honor, something kozkiddies would never, ever, be able to understand.

OT, but a possible reason to vote for the hildabeast

[Link: blogs.usatoday.com...]

"No, I may slit my throat," former president Bill Clinton joked last night on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart after being asked how well he might cope with going from leader of the world's remaining superpower to husband of the first woman president.

Well, perhaps not.

Saul Alinsky

The scum at the DailyKommunist wouldn't know honor or valor (or honesty) if it bit them on their shriveled scrotums.

Fubes - We care, or we wouldn't be here. I'm not gonna claim to understand or feel your pain.

But I can tell you this; We will still be here when you get back, because we care.

MOVE TO THE
SOUND OF
THE GUNS,
R

re: #83 LSD

Petraeus commanded combat troops in the Iraq invasion, and Fallujah I believe ... There was one incident I recall where he and Gen Wallace (?) hung out and finished their business without flincing during a full on mortar attack, and didn't bust a nut ... I'd call that valor ...

See my 77 and link - details. The generals did not flinch or stop their activity under mortar fire. When weapons fire broke out, they automatically moved towards it, not away from it.

re: #87 guzziguy

Knowing Bubba he'll be doing something involving a throat.

Allah al Fubar, my sincerest condolences on your loss; I can't even begin to fathom your pain. if I was in NYC, my fat @ss would be there to keep that diseased maggot-dropping from stepping on our sacred ground...

As far as the initial topic goes, the only thing that Komrade Kosling has any qualification to speak knowledgeably about is s#it, because it is their stock in trade. Bull, horse, dog, cow or bat-s#it, they are prime purveyors of it. And they are lower than whale-s#it, btw...

Now playing: Rush / Power Windows Manhattan Project; yes, that MP...

re: #86 neverquit

IIRC, Bill Frist was his surgeon. Not apropos of anything.

Just more moonbats at play. Nothing to see here, move along.

Kos got the combat valor medal confused with one for perfect attendance.

Dlawbailey, perhaps you and your Kos buddies could actually not use wikipedia and Google as fact, and get a copy of the General's orders awarding him the V device. There's a concept. Put up or shut up.

re: #93 livefreeor die

re: #87 guzziguy

Knowing Bubba he'll be doing something involving a throat.

I want to get a bunch of stickers with Head printed on them and stick them on President Clinton's new book. Giving.

re: #83 LSD

Yep...but it wasn't a bullet....it was a morter so it doesn't count ;)

err, mortar PIMF

#91

See my 77 and link - details. The generals did not flinch or stop their activity under mortar fire. When weapons fire broke out, they automatically moved towards it, not away from it.

Right on, Catttt.
Kos-fucks are so bent on ruining (BUSH), they can't even fact check their sad little claims ... your described event shows absolute valor of he, Wallace, and the other FRONTLINE chiefs on scene ...(bet enuff fer a medal, eh?)

re: #100 Intestinal Fortitude

#77 describes an event where they charged towards the enemy while under "bullet" fire...

Ugh. Unspinning propaganda, which I find myself doing more often in recent years, gives me a headache. This is tedious.

First, the General is not wearing a medal that he did not earn, which makes any reference or comparison to the Admiral Boorda incident silly. General Petraeus was clearly awarded the medal and device in question (see his biography); Admiral Boorda was wearing the "V" device when he did not rate to wear it.

The accusation is that the General's award was inflated. However, the writer's use of terms like "fraud medal" is a clear attempt to leave lay readers with the impression that the was General fraudulently wearing an award he did not rate. Bleh. If I had a nickel for every time I saw a member of one of our sister services (and I mean that in a couple of different ways) sporting bronze stars that probably should have been achievement medals, well...then I'd have a lot of nickels.

Based on what I've read of the events for which it was awarded, if you were to downgrade this one then you'd better get ready to update a heck of a lot of other record books.

Of course, the General didn't write his own award, his boss did (with help from the admin shop, of course), so criticism should be directed there. That is, if the writer actually concerned with award inflation in the US military (seriously, are you freaking kidding me?).

re: #85 insanity police
I signed, sending on to everyone I know and dont know...

Kos is such a reliable source. Right?

I'm sure the wild eyed Kossack that alleges Ge. Petraeus wore a medal he didn't earn knows little or nothing about the military. Even the lowest level enlisted man wouldn't dare wear a medal or ribbon not earned. That would be shameful behavior and would have no place in the military. And certainly someone that has attained the rank of General with the visibility he has wouldn't be so stupid as to falsify his achievements. The only story here is that those fools at Kos would believe something so ridiculous.

re: #65 Shaky Louie

To believe anything written on kos takes a willing suspension of disbelief.

dayuum...that was just.....NICE.

re: #107 derkrieger

Even the lowest level enlisted man wouldn't dare wear a medal or ribbon not earned.

Not altogether true but these types of scum are quickly found out and have short lived military "careers".

re: #99 Catttt

LOL!

re: #103 LSD

I know, I was being funny, I think?

I doubt a man as accomplished as the general would ever even consider such a petty move. This is the ubiquitous projection of the cowards on the left.

I would also like to say to AF I grew up and lived about my whole life maybe 20 miles from ground zero and if I still lived there I would lock arms with him to keep that scum away from the site.

re: #111 Intestinal Fortitude

re: #103 LSD
I know, I was being funny, I think?

I hear ya, I'm just being touchy ....

re: #104 John Galt

There you go; nail right on the head. Let someone from Kos produce the DA Form 638, and then show us the bullits in each achievement area. That is the foundation for this whole thing. Great reality check.

re: #29 Killgore Trout

The diary is talking about the award for valor on the bronze star, which is a lot tougher to get. I still doubt there's much truth to what he says, but the valor award can only be earned in combat, where the bronze star alone doesn't have to be.

Is there any way we can get code pink to show up nekked for photos with nochin. That'll make him a real hit in his screwed up country

this smacks of outright pettiness and jealousy. the frantic "men" at kos are so threatened by an honorable decent patriot, they are starting to look like catty hags.

On behalf of all military personnel past, present and future, the President of the USA, gleefully awards the following medal to the head kosling and the diarist, dlawbailey.

A repeat, but maybe worth repeating, and I hope this repeat doesn't aggravate anyone: Daily Kos, also known as the "Daily Pussy" since "kos" is arabic slang for pussy. . .
[Link: www.bigpharaoh.com...]

Do they have any idea just how pathetic, grasping and desperate they look?

.....Naw.

re: #119 reine.de.tout

A repeat, but maybe worth repeating, and I hope this repeat doesn't aggravate anyone: Daily Kos, also known as the "Daily Pussy" since "kos" is arabic slang for pussy. . .
[Link: www.bigpharaoh.com...]

i rest my case. lol

re: #51 eastvillageinfidel

I know I'm horribly biased, but I'm extemely skeptical of any kind of anaysis on the military coming from kos. It's about as reliable as engineering analysis from the troofers.

What are you talking about? It's scientifically proven by science that the towers couldn't fall under their own weight into their footprints without ... nevermind.

And besides, now that I'm on a rant here; who gives the Kos bastards the right to judge this man? How many Task Force assignments have they conducted? How many aircraft hours flown without accidents have they attained? How many hours can be manifested through their time to tedious and exceptional attention to the smallest details to support their "Units" to explain what the hell they did for their country today?

Kos reaks of Communism. Straight up subversiveness and Communism.

Well, Why Isn't It Public? (0 / 0)

Why, if General Petraeus was valorous, is the story of his commendation not on military websites?

Why is it not known in the press?

Why have mistaken impressions not been corrected?

by dlawbailey on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 02:04:06 PM PDT

Believe it or not, not every bit of military information is available on the internet or CNN.com.

re: #118 MarineGrunt

Marine, glad I never had to do that :)

I'd guess it's just a matter of the bios being out of date. I mean, with everything that's happened the last couple years the General could certainly have had a chance for another, and updating the offical bio has probably not been a priority compared to, well, fighting a war.
Also possible that the Kossack doesn't know what he's talking about. Or there could be a mix-up (unlikely).
Or maybe the General did this to intentionally decieve people.

Hmm, who do you think had more honor, the US Military, or the daily Kos? Survey says... give the General the benefit of the doubt.

It's funny to see how many of the Kos Kids are saying stuff like one commentator:

But even though Vietnam often had low standards for awards, there are a lot of guys serving now whose service this offends.

I know a kid who was recently denied a Bronze Star, but appears to have done far, far more than Petraeus did.

All of a sudden they're concerned about the troops' feelings. Forgetting, of course, that the older commentators probably spit in the faces (literally) of those same troops.

The placement of ribbons, and what they stand for, is clearly spelled out in military regulations. Most people with any time in service are well aware what the various ribbons stand for, and their placement. If the KOS wants to be specific, let them clearly spell out wheich ribbon they're taling about. To simply throw out a charge, without specifics, is total bulls**t, and not worth anyone's time. These people are "bomb-throwers", and just seeking to cause problems to a good man.

Actually, I think logically Petraeus would be an idiot to wear fake medals to make himself look better, because civilians don't know what they mean, and military would be able to find out if they weren't legit. So it stikes me as waaaay unlikely.

Oh, oh...They're now determining what "valor" is...Oh, that's fresh...

re: #123 Intestinal Fortitude

And besides, now that I'm on a rant here; who gives the Kos bastards the right to judge this man? How many Task Force assignments have they conducted? How many aircraft hours flown without accidents have they attained? How many hours can be manifested through their time to tedious and exceptional attention to the smallest details to support their "Units" to explain what the hell they did for their country today?

Kos reaks of Communism. Straight up subversiveness and Communism.

Rant away-It's pathetic how they feel that having a computer and a quick link to Wikipedia makes them experts on military issues, engineering, physics, and diplomacy. As long as their moms keep the portable fridges stocked, they're set.

A Kos Comment

Thanks for following this for days (4+ / 0-)
Recommended by:SarahLee, ichibon, ER Doc, dolphin777
Yesterday's diary was noticed, but this one is so much better, and the title is much more effective. Now you're on the rec list. Keep the momentum going, cross post, etc.

You can't support the Constitution and the GOP at the same time!

The innerworkings in Dorktown.
You make shit up to get noticed to move up in the Kos food chain.
How much do they get for turning in their neighbors and ratting out Jews?
It is one big circle jerk over there.

re: #128 kenprice

Ah, I wouldn't put too much credence in the whole thing. These wackjobs can find internet sites to "build the rack"; put placement to each ribbon and get as looney as they want to be. They'll always find a way to sexy the story without the facts behind it.

re: #131 livefreeor die

LOL, thank goodness for Moms: both moonbatty support and Patriotic :)

As a veteran with over 8 years most in the Airborne Infantry and two on LRRS-C. I can say that the General and more importantly a Ranger, WOULD NEVER WEAR A MEDAL HE DIDN'T EARN. The one making this accusation probably has not nor ever will do anything worthy enough for accreditation.

I fail to understand why in the world would the General even think to wear fake medals.Why should he need to make himself look any better than he already is, I mean he is the top General. I think forrest gump's mom would say something like,, well liars say as liars do,, or something like that,, I guess since the kozkidz and the rest of the 3ls would wear fake medals (of course they would most likely have to) then why should not everyone else?

I'm still trying to determine what a "Valor Medal" is.

The author displays an incredible ignorance of all things military. And the events that occured in Atkinson's book. I was there, at first in the Assault Command Post with then BG Freakley, and also at times co-located with the DMAIN and then MG Petraeus. Atkinson was not...as the author with the pseudonym claims, with Petraeus at all times. Atkinson did battlefield circulation and was with all three Brigade commanders in addition to hanging out with MG Petraeus.

My advice, circulate this Daily Kostard post as widely as the MoveOn ad. The left has shown their hand as clearly as they possibly can. I've said it before and I'll say it again. They are severly underestimating General Petraeus. They are way out of their league in questioning anything about this man. They just don't know it yet.

Look, the chances of this man wearing an undeserved award on his chest are roughly equal to the chances of me winning the powerball lotto on the same day that Jessica Alba tells me she wants to bear my children because she admires the quality of my posts on LGF. Sheesh.

I look at all this KOS, Huffpo, MoveOn crap as a distraction from Hsu campaign scandals and the fact that a democrap controlled congress is at an 11% approval rating. These people are desperate and delusional and will do or say anything to overcome the cognitave dissonance that is threatening to cause the tinfoil hats to melt over their ears.

And this is just Primary season. When the real campaign begins there will be so many tasty buttocks around, I just may have to become bulemic.

Low hanging fruit indeed.

The sad truth about Kos Kommies is that they need this war.
Without the war they would be lost.
The old ones get to relive their glory days of protesting Vietnam and get to fell important again. The young ones get their very own war to protest. It gives their lives meaning. How many Woodstock copies have they tried to put on? They get to fight for a cause without any danger to themselves. There is no danger here to them. Yet they get to feel heroic fighting the man. It is easy to be brave when there is no danger. What would they have without this war? Nothing.
And that my friends, is truly sad. They are pathetic creatures.

re: #138 lummox

I think they are trying to get that 11% down into single digits.

They just need to be patient.

re: #36 Geepers

David H. Petraeus - Four Star General

General George C. Marshall Award winner as the top graduate of the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College

U.S. military decorations
Defense Distinguished Service Medal
Distinguished Service Medal (with Oak Leaf Clusters)
Defense Superior Service Medal (with Oak Leaf Clusters)
Legion of Merit (with 3 Oak Leaf Clusters)
Bronze Star Medal (with “V” Device)
Defense Meritorious Service Medal
Meritorious Service Medal (with 2 Oak Leaf Clusters)
Joint Service Commendation Medal
Army Commendation Medal (with 2 Oak Leaf Clusters)
Joint Service Achievement Medal
Army Achievement Medal

U.S. unit awards
Joint Meritorious Unit Award (with 3 Oak Leaf Clusters)
Army Meritorious Unit Commendation
Army Superior Unit Award

U.S. non-military decorations
State Department Superior Honor Award

U.S. service (campaign) medals and service and training ribbons
National Defense Service Medal (with 2 Service Stars)
Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal
Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal
Iraq Campaign Medal
Armed Forces Service Medal
Humanitarian Service Medal
Army Service Ribbon
Army Overseas Service Ribbon (with 2 Oak Leaf Clusters)

U.S. badges, patches and tabs
Combat Action Badge
Expert Infantryman Badge
Master Parachutist Badge
Air Assault Badge
Joint Chiefs of Staff Identification Badge
Army Staff Identification Badge
Ranger Tab
Multi-National Force—Iraq Patch
101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) Patch
Foreign military decorations
Gold Award of the Iraqi Order of the Date Palm

Foreign badges, patches and tabs
British Parachutist Badge
French Parachutist Badge
German Parachutist Badge

Non-U.S. service medals and ribbons
United Nations Mission in Haiti (UNMIH) Medal[33]
NATO Meritorious Service Medal

Yeah, I can see why he'd feel the need to bulk up his commendations with a fake medal.

Seems it would be easier just to figure out what he doesn't have.

re: #141 lummox

True.
I would have to gues Ahmadiinerjacket is more popular in his country than Pelosi's crew has here.

re: #142 markx

Well that pretty much proves the shitheaded Kos Cretins are lying again.
Of course that happens whenever their lips move.

The mindless media is so completely out of touch with reality that nothing they say can be taken for any value. The find half a dozen ex-soldiers who are opposed to the war and it's big news. Yet 1,000,000 vets who support the war and its purpose and these brave men and women are totally ignored. So much for intelligent and objective reporting of the news.

Wait till Mahmoud takes off the Members Only jacket to show off his Ron Paul for President T-shirt.

If it's not true (and I've no doubt that it isn't), then I'm sure Kos will be sure to tag the author/article as a "LGF plant."

hahahahahahahahahah
hahahahahahahhahaah yes!
re: #99 Catttt

re: #93 livefreeor die

re: #87 guzziguy

Knowing Bubba he'll be doing something involving a throat.

I want to get a bunch of stickers with Head printed on them and stick them on President Clinton's new book. Giving.

Is there any way General Petraeus can sue Move on. org, or Daily Kos for these kind of slanderous lies about him?

The dkos diarist doesn't have anything. Whoever it is, is grasping for straws. I just read most of that mess and it doesn't surprise me that traitors like the kos kids would resort to this. It's a "theory." Nothing short of an "alex jones" type "theory." Young angry white males with low IQs and low self-esteems looking for something to justify their moorish existence.

The author has no clue and as such, is making allegations, hoping to create enough attention to force someone to respond "officially" to his ludicrous claims. Lame strategy. But it's probably all he could come up with, having only a 8th grade diploma.

What a bunch of maroons.

Thanks for posting the stories about GEN Petraeus, and it gave me a little thrill to see the name of one of my former company commanders, then-1LT Ben Freakley, mentioned along with him. LT Freakley was simply the finest officer I had the privilege to serve under, and his action under fire that day in Iraq were exactly what I could picture him doing.

And these are the people calling others ChickenHawks? Who then went on to defend each and every John Kerry medal and created the verb "swiftboating" in the process?

So who is getting swiftboated here? A guy who sought a commission to seek action, and brought a movie camera to film his exploits?

To be clear on some facts that are cleverly danced around at the KOS post:

1) The medal WAS awarded.

2) Patreaeus could not have awarded it to himself.

3) The Army requires investigation and testimony of witnesses to support such awards

4) The claim of "fraud" for wearing a medal he was not awarded is therefore false.

In the swiftboat controversy, no one seriously claimed that Kerry was not awarded his medals.

As for the broader issue of "was he deserving," the KOS diarist et al have said that they put two accounts side by side and that they are "entirely different." Yet they don't flat out state nor support that the these are the same events - could it be that the event described by the reporters was not the same one that was described in Patreaeus' citation? That would explain the inconsistencies - it would also explain why Patreaeus would dive for cover in one event and not in the other - in the one where he didn't, one reporter did. Could Patreaeus have a higher sense of resolve and physical courage than the reporter? Could the event where Patreaeus dove for cover in fact be a more harrowing event? And wouldn't it be consistent for a man with physical courage to be "nonchalant" in a situation that a Pulitzer prize winning war reporter found harrowing?

Again - witnesses are required for a "V" - the alleged fraud would therefore extend to those witnesses. Have the KOS kids contacted them to corroborate that the events are the same that the reporters witnessed? Shouldn't those witnesses be accused as conspirators to said "fraud?"

I truly hope that the left goes for the swiftboat route on this one -- they have no moral standing from which to make the accusations (which Kerry's crew and mates did).

They have the Vietnam playbook out and need their Westmorland, and they think they have found him. They have the wrong guy and the wrong Army.

I visited the KOS site expecting to see a pic of Gen. Petraeus with the medal in question. I couldn't find any. Is there any proof to show that a strange medal or ribbon WAS being worn during his Congressional testimony? I'd like to see that first.

116 southernborn

Is there any way we can get code pink to show up nekked for photos with nochin. That'll make him a real hit in his screwed up country

I think you got something there.
Maybe we should sponsor a NYC nekkid bike ride day or two this weekend!

I just watched the video posted at comment #7. I just don't know what has come over this country that some seem so determined to destroy what is left of us as though there was never any good in the first place. I am overwhelmed with sadness. If a family is in trouble because of the wayward child, does it mean that the whole family and all of their associates should be destroyed by the mob? Or, does the family say that they need to correct the wayward child in order to preserve the wonderful creation and be thankful for the return of the prodigal child? No doubt this country needs some correction - but the cry of the left to destroy the whole for the sake of the corrupt few is frightening beyond belief and harkens back to some dark time in our past. One can only hope that the left does not achieve the majority.

this is a very scary post to me,, they actually coach people to be spreading their stupid, brainless, uninformed,hate, but they say we lizards are racist scum? hey charles,, how come you don't tell us how to get our "diaray noticed" hahahahah,, fricking morons,, but scary too

re: #132 hous bin pharteen

A Kos Comment

Thanks for following this for days (4+ / 0-)
Recommended by:SarahLee, ichibon, ER Doc, dolphin777
Yesterday's diary was noticed, but this one is so much better, and the title is much more effective. Now you're on the rec list. Keep the momentum going, cross post, etc.
You can't support the Constitution and the GOP at the same time!

The innerworkings in Dorktown.
You make shit up to get noticed to move up in the Kos food chain.
How much do they get for turning in their neighbors and ratting out Jews?
It is one big circle jerk over there.

re: #154 Perchprism

I visited the KOS site expecting to see a pic of Gen. Petraeus with the medal in question. I couldn't find any. Is there any proof to show that a strange medal or ribbon WAS being worn during his Congressional testimony? I'd like to see that first.

I didn't see anything either Perch. Just a "conspiracy" theory with a lot of filler text. There's nothing to it.

Does he need to wear a medal he isn't authorized?

He went through the courses and earned the Master Parachutist Badge (which means he had the Jump Wings first), Air Assault Badge, and Ranger Tab. None of the four courses are easy nor are they "give away" courses. During his career, he trained with and jumped with foreign Armies to obtain the following badges:British Parachutist Badge, French Parachutist Badge, German Parachutist Badge.

During his career he also earned the following: Defense Distinguished Service Medal, Distinguished Service Medal (with Oak Leaf Clusters), Defense Superior Service Medal (with Oak Leaf Clusters), Legion of Merit (with 3 Oak Leaf Clusters) which are all higher than the Bronze Star. Even for a Field Grade Officer that is a fair amount of awards.

Perhaps a lot of the misconception arises because the critics don't know the varying degrees of valor. His chest doesn't say he was Audie Murphy and a Medal of Honor recipient. It says he performed bravely under enemy fire. This isn't defined as a bullet or a mortar round or a certain quantity of any particular round. It specifies "enemy fire". Period.

Perhaps our little Kosling has never seen combat duty of any kind and is somehow under the impression that mortar rounds landing within 10 meters isn't all the fun and games he seems to think it is or that merely a couple of bullets flying around doesn't really constitute combat?

They can give those "fraudulent" medals to John Kerry, so he can throw them over the White House fence.

Yeah, I can see why he'd feel the need to bulk up his commendations with a fake medal.

Seems it would be easier just to figure out what he doesn't have.

Wow, he got to the top the old fashioned way, that's for sure.

re: #152 John the Baptist

GEN Petraeus was my Division Commander in 02 as I was ETS'ing; he came in after Cody. Just found out that my wife waited on him at her restaurant before we left Campbell at a "hail and welcome". JUST found out lol. Perhaps I should discuss LGF with her a bit more :)

re: #157 bcgirl

Smells like desparation, fear and cowardice to me. Not to mention some pretty bad bedtime stories. Peeeeeeuweeeee! Reinforcing oneself with ones beliefs is usually a recipe for success if one is trying to off one's self, or reputaion. Hey! if you weren't there, just jump right up and say it.

re: #24 Killian Bundy

re: #14 Caliredst8r

Is Kos still looking into John Kerry's purple hearts?

/yeah, at least Petraeus didn't shoot himself

The General actually took a round to the chest in a training accident.

You have a reputation in the Army for being in great shape and recovering quickly when you’ve been injured.

That reputation’s been earned the hard way. I got shot in a freak training accident during a live-fire exercise here in 1991 – took an M-16 round through my chest. The surgeon who performed thoracic surgery on me was Dr. Bill Frist [’74], now the senior senator from Tennessee. He did a great job, and I was able to run competitively again in a couple of months.

[Link: www.princeton.edu...]

They read his bios? Did they have to reboot him? I didn't know generals had firmware.

? if i was not where

re: #163 peck

re: #157 bcgirl

Smells like desparation, fear and cowardice to me. Not to mention some pretty bad bedtime stories. Peeeeeeuweeeee! Reinforcing oneself with ones beliefs is usually a recipe for success if one is trying to off one's self, or reputaion. Hey! if you weren't there, just jump right up and say it.

Re #162: I should have mentioned I was in the 101st more than a few days ago - 1977-1979 to be precise. LT Freakley was then the CO of Co. A, 1/506th ABN INF (now called the 506th PIR, like it was in WWII). I went through a memorable jaunt through the Panamanian jungles with him in 1978.

Wish I still had the lime-green double-knit polyester leisure suit I had as my only "dress" civvies back then; they fetch quite a price on the vintage market nowadays!

59 allah al fubar I'm.so.sorry.

Would we have allowed Hitler to tour Manhattan in 1940, ground zero or not? It's absolutely assinine. I can only hope that more people wake up to the fact that we don't have to "host" the UN in perpetuity. Perhaps more will wake up to see that maybe, just maybe the UN should move its headquarters to a nation that these thugs love, like Zimbabwe.

"two by prize-winning embedded journalists"

This is the part that throws red flags.

I don't know one ribbon or medal from another, and my husband's active duty. I do remember when Hackworth caught Admiral Borda wearing something fake, and he had a long list of accomplishments too. I remember thinking at the time WTF? That chest if full enough, you didn't need to pad it with one extra thing.

I'd be surprised if it were true of this general. General Kearney, the perfumed prince who wants to try our special ops guys for murder? His medals may need some special scrutiny.

I came into this late, don't really have anything to add to the military aspects of all this, nor the dipstick KKKos aspects of this. Don't think I saw, however, it observed the 'fabulist' description of the librarian in the 'diary'. Her jaw dropped, and she nearly broke down into tears? This sounds a bit too much like their friend of a cousin of a mechanic who knows personally the hairstylist that does the masseuse for the cousin of someone who read something about us going into Iran on AFP.

re: #160 Globular Cluster

They can give those "fraudulent" medals to John Kerry, so he can throw them over the White House fence.

Pretend to throw them over the fence...get it right! :P

Here is the entire basis of the linkage that the KOS Kidz rely on for thei accusation (emphasis mine) -

Let me break this down for you:

* To get the valor medal, General Petraeus had to be under enemy fire.
* He is described to have been under enemy fire in the battle for Najaf.
* The only incident of enemy fire reported near General Petraeus was on March 30th.

The author does not make the assertion that he has established outright that the events "reported" are the same as those awarded. Instead, we are supposed to passively assume that, for the entire time in question, Patreaeus was followed by reporters (including those embedded with a different command, as was the case with one of the reporters he relies on). Only with such an assumption can we be certain (let alone consider plausible) that the these differing accounts are of the same event.

That is awfully weak.

But those who like to scream "Chickenhawk" and have never served are capable of so much. What they lack in critical thinking skills and facts they make up for in enthusiastic disdain for better men.

/Nothing is impossible for those who don't have to do it.

re: #169 Skul

"two by prize-winning embedded journalists"

This is the part that throws red flags.

What, scratch-offs at Wendy's?

Not to throw another blow into the ring and all, just when Charles is trying to calm things down, but this is a legitimate question:

Aren't Iran and the U.S. still technically at war with each other? I know we have the occasional diplomatic contact and all, under the table, but isn't it still the actual legal status of the two nations?

And if so, is it then actually illegal to call for the assassination of a leader on the opposing side? I don't think we should go around calling for the assassination of people left and right, but isn't that something of a legal ground upon which somebody can stand?

I'm not trying to make Charles's job really sticky and all, but I think it's a good point, isn't it? Like, we defend the administration for waiving some of the Geneva convention against captured terrorists because, legally speaking, they are not soldiers. That's a very fine legal point (and one with which I would agree). We also defend the Patriot act on similar grounds, even though the Global War on Terror would be a legal mess to define (and again, I agree with the administration on this one too). We did try to assassinate Saddam during the invasion, and even in 1991, because we were at war (declared) with his nation.

Haven't we been at war with Iran since 1979? I don't ask as a sort of "realism" question as in "oh of course we're at war! They're against us!" sorta thing but as a legal point.

Again: I think Charles is right to restrain people from calling for the assassination of leaders on simply a civil point. It's his blog and his discussion threads. But I think also that we should define some things that are simply assumed to be non-PC in this world of ours today, simply for the rhetorical exercise. =)

Remember...an entire movie, book, and even philosophical genre has been spun off from the simple idea of "what if somebody went back in time and shot Hitler in the head?". And then the moral exercise which everyone has been asked "Would you do it if you could?"

Of course, Herr Ahmadinejad is here in an ambassadorial status (which he obviously never has honored towards our side - 1979), but we shouldn't go around shooting ambassadors...because that would be breaking the law. =)

And just in case somebody from the other side picks this up: I would be fully willing to defend anything which I have written here on a historical and legal basis in terms of a debate. I don't think that debating this issue is reprehensible, and I think that for the other side to think so shows that they truly don't understand what the reprehensible and immoral stance truly is behind this entire subject: the comments of Herr Ahmadinejad himself.

#175 Summer

Of course, Herr Ahmadinejad is here in an ambassadorial status (which he obviously never has honored towards our side - 1979), but we shouldn't go around shooting ambassadors...because that would be breaking the law. =)

I'm quite certain the Persian Napoleon is also under indictment for murder or incitement to genocide in three countries: Austria, Argentina and Israel. Unfortunately, his "ambassadorial" status precludes arrest as well.

I have three tours in Iraq and have two bronze stars, none were awarded with a "V" device. Having been an active participant in my BN's award process ( Special Forces BN) during two of our Iraq rotations I can speak with some authority over how my unit handled awards. Until someone posts the General's DA-638 for the award and we can compare this with first hand accounts from the date in question we'll just be speculating. Unlike the libtards the General gets a pass and my respect until I see the evidence. I do however find it hard to believe that some S-1 clerk from the 101st ABN(ASSLT) or CENTCOM wouldn't have leaked a BS award for the CG out to the press. The SPC-4 mafia is a bitch. The Left likes to believe in conspiracies but life tells us that people just don't keep bad things a secret.

Check out the Wikipedia Talk section for him, where numerous libtards accuse him of joining westpoint to get out of going to vietnam:
Talk: David Petraeus
Since I last visited it, it now has multiple "citation needed" all over the place, and is now in a semi-protected state and has a NPOV label.

#176 Spiny

Ya, but arrest isn't a call for assassination. =)

re: #20 Killian Bundy

re: #4 Carol Herman

Looking for this?

/this one is amusing also

YES!

re: #69 jdlong

Bottom Line? General Petraeus is a General Officer. He can award
himself any decorations he likes and have someone typing up the award
before morning. Plus General Officders set their own uniforms (AS
600-8-200), which is why Patton got away with his tanker's riding pants.

Whiny Kosbots!

~~JD~~

And, General Douglas MacArthur used to remove the wire rim inside his hat, so he could "dent it," if that's the expression. Patton also wore special pistols. (Ivory handles?)

Looks like the Kos post is going through the "thruthiness" echo chamber.

I sure hope they run with this. These people just don't understand America.

Now what medals does Kos have? One for potato peeling? One for his status at Permanent Latrine Orderly?

re: #175 Summer

Unless, the mice in the HOUSE, declared war; we are not "technically" at war with either iran, or syria. For good measure, throw in "not at war" with North Korea, either. Oh, and the soviets are already kaput, or I'd added that, here.

Nor are we at war with China, either.

re: #178 xenophobic

Check out the Wikipedia Talk section for him, where numerous libtards accuse him of joining westpoint to get out of going to vietnam

How stupid are they, really? Gawd!

re: #177 oreos

The SPC-4 mafia is a bitch. The Left likes to believe in conspiracies but life tells us that people just don't keep bad things a secret.

I had never heard it referred to as the SP4 Mafia, but that would sure describe it! There were no secrets from them ole boys as any whiff of a scandal involving senior NCOs or officers (or their spouses) and it would be all over post (and sometimes beyond) in no time flat! ;-)>

What about Murtha?

Murtha's accounts of his Vietnam War wounds may also conflict with the available U.S. Marine medical records obtained by the media.

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette on May 12, 2002, reported that "Marine Corps casualty records show that Murtha was injured in 'hostile' actions near Danang, Vietnam, on March 22, 1967, and May 7, 1967.

"In the first incident, his right cheek was lacerated, and in the second, he was lacerated above his left eye. Neither injury required evacuation," the Post-Gazette reported.

But an Oct. 26, 1994, article in the Herald-Standard quoted Murtha as describing two different injuries.

"I was wounded in the arm with shrapnel from a bullet that hit the motor mount of a helicopter. In the other, my knee was banged up and my arm was banged up when a helicopter was shot down from a very few feet," Murtha told the Herald-Standard.

And Jack got a Bronze Star "with combat V" ..

Choby also challenged the validity of Murtha's Bronze Star with Combat 'V' during the 1996 congressional campaign.

"I find it very curious that Combat 'V' doesn't even exist in any of the materials he had distributed," Choby was quoted as saying in the Herald-Standard of Oct. 13, 1996. "His military record improves over the years," he added.

From what I can find, he was awarded the Bronze Star with "V" for meritorious service in a combat zone, but not for any specific act of heroism. If the Kos Kids go down this road then Jack's Citation should be made public and we can compare. Perhaps Murtha's Citation is consistent with what Marines in Vietnam termed "the officers medal" where Bronze Stars with Vs were commonly awarded. At that point, who should be considered a fraud?

re: #184 Carol Herman

For good measure, throw in "not at war" with North Korea, either

Yes and no. An cease fire was signed in July 53 (?) between North Korea and the USA. Neither side capitulated. North and South Korea have yet to sign anything. A state of heightened tension still exists on the 38th Parallel (DMZ) as almost any soldier ever assigned to Korea can attest.

According to a September 7, 2007 NPR report, President Bush stated that it is his administration's position that a formal peace treaty with North Korea was possible only when the north abandoned its nuclear weapons programs. According to Bush, "We look forward to the day when we can end the Korean War. That will end - will happen when Kim verifiably gets rid of his weapons programs and his weapons."

#184 Carol

Ya, I know all the rest which you cite and they are good points. =)

Syria, we've never had formal aggression with. North Korea, we signed a cease fire. China has never fought with us either apart from some skirmishes on the Korean peninsula I believe?

But I think a state of war exists between Iran and the U.S.? At least, the embassy hostages situation was an act of war under any international legal status. Tho you're right, I don't think we ever declared war on them in that sense. =)

Then again, they declared it on us, officially, in 1979.

Good points tho, and you're totally right. =)

re: #184 Carol Herman

re: #175 Summer

Unless, the mice in the HOUSE, declared war; we are not "technically" at war with either iran, or syria. For good measure, throw in "not at war" with North Korea, either. Oh, and the soviets are already kaput, or I'd added that, here.

Nor are we at war with China, either.

A "state of war" can most certainly exist without the Congresscritters "declaring" it. By attacking Pearl Harbor, the Empire of Japan initiated war with the United States, and a State of War existed from that moment. FDR's famous "date that will live in infamy" speech was only asking Congress to officially recognize that fact. A low-level state of war does indeed exist between the US and the Islamic Republic of Iran and has since they invaded and seized the US Embassy in Tehran; that we, as yet, choose not to engage in a military campaign against them is irrelevant. (The use of such military force is something Congress would have to authorize, by the way, and authorizing the use of force against Saddam was, for all legal purposes, a declaration of war). For their part, the Mad Mullahs have, so far, employed proxies such as Hezbollah to do their dirty work.

The "cease fire" with the DPRK is just that: a cease fire, not a peace treaty, therefore, the Korean War has not truly "ended". Saddam Hussein, likewise, signed a cease fire agreement in 1991, which he then proceeded to violate with impunity, knowing that the mice at the UN would do nothing - massive bribes saw to that.

For what it's worth.

/pedant

re: #189 Summer

...Syria, we've never had formal aggression with. North Korea, we signed a cease fire. China has never fought with us either apart from some skirmishes on the Korean peninsula I believe?...

"A ceasefire (or truce) is a temporary stoppage of a war or any armed conflict, where each side of the conflict agrees with the other to suspend aggressive actions. Ceasefires may be declared as part of a formal treaty, but they have also been called as part of an informal understanding between opposing forces." This is the state that presently exists in Korea today.

China only had skirmishes in Korea? They had over 270,000 PVA troops. They did much more than a few skirmishes, creating much death and destruction to Allied Forces on their push South. There were also Soviet aircraft (MIG-15s) involved with Soviet pilots, although the MIGs were painted with PRC colors.

I don't want to be disagreeable, but history needs to be reviewed here.

I don't see enough information to dispute the army's account yet. I do know from personal experience that the brass do make sure that they get their medals. Investigate it... let him keep it, take it away, who cares?

I see from the criteria that:

"Combat service deserving a bronze star, but not achieved in a particular valorous act, would warrant a meritorious bronze star."

So the events pinpointed by KosKid don't matter.

And yeah, the requirements for a Bronze Star aren't particuarly high these days - I knew several people who received Bronze Stars for action in Grenada - they landed on a C-141, unloaded some cargo, and left. No combat, no bullets - maybe they had to sit in no air conditioning for awhile.

re: #87 guzziguy

One more bit of support for these being two different incidents -

The incident that the reporters describe has General Wallace with Patraeus and acting/reacting in the same manner.

Here is Wallace's Bio

General Wallace attended both the Armor Officer Basic and Advanced Courses; the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey; the Army Command and General Staff College at Fort Leavenworth; and the United States Naval War College in Newport. Among his awards and decorations are the Defense Distinguished Service Medal, the Distinguished Service Medal with oak leaf cluster, the Legion of Merit with four oak leaf clusters, the Bronze Star Medal, the Meritorious Service Medal with oak leaf cluster, the Army Commendation Medal with “V”device, the Army Commendation Medal with two oak leaf clusters, the Army Achievement Medal, the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry, the Combat Infantryman’s Badge, the Parachutist Badge, and the Ranger Tab.

So either Wallace got an ARCOM with a "v" for the same incident (very unlikely to issue an ARCOM to a CG) or this was not the incident for which Patraeus got his Bronze Star with "V". Wallace has a Bronze Star, but not with a "V".

The accounts of the incidents are different because they were different incidents.

There are, as usual, some problems with the Kos disrist dlawbailey’s post.

Dlawbailey writes: “The descriptions of that event by the two separate journalists match perfectly” (emphasis mine)

Which “two separate journalists”? At this point in his post, no journalists have been mentioned.
But read on, the phrase “match perfectly” is interesting,

Dlawbailey’s only external link is to “this article penned by Gregg Zoroya and Steve Komarow”. Very well, here is the relevant excerpt:

“But stronger-than-expected Iraqi resistance continues. An Iraqi mortar round landed less than 50 yards away as two top U.S. generals were conferring here Sunday on the next phase in the U.S. offensive.”

“No one was injured by the round that landed just to the side of a checkpoint where Army Lt. Gen. William Scott Wallace, commander of the V Corps, and 101st commander Maj. Gen. David Petraeus were reviewing maps on the hood of a Humvee.”

“The incident illustrated how, even under intense pressure from U.S. aircraft and ground forces, Iraqi ruler Saddam Hussein's forces have continued to resist. . . . . . .”

With this writing, “matching perfectly ” is almost guaranteed; even a mostly-plagarized sentence or two could be assumed to be original work.

But dlawbailey’s very next line is this:

“Pulitzer-prize-winning journalist Rick Atkinson was so close he dove between two trucks when the round hit. He stood up quickly and got back to reporting. We must all now depend on Atkinson to stick by his reporting as the Swiftboat is thrown into hard reverse.”

Where is “Pulitzer-prize-winning journalist Rick Atkinson”’s reporting?
Dlawbailey doesn’t link it.

So indeed, “We must all now depend on Atkinson to stick by his reporting . . . ” (Low, but I have to ask: is this a “please don’t Beauchamp me” request?)

Bonus questions (points awarded at the end):
1. How many "Pulitzer-prize-winning journalists" have been busted in the last, say 10 years, for inventing stories about events that never happened?
2. How many "Pulitzer-prize-winning journalists" have been busted in the last, say 10 years, for plagarism?
3. Is there now, or has there ever been, a bias in the MSM’s reporting of events in the War in Iraq? Have details ever been deleted, mis-represented or glossed over?

dlawbailey’s analysis is this:
“For the Army story to be true, Rick Atkinson, Pulitzer-Prize newsman, would have to have failed to notice
2. Bullets flying past him.
3. . . . {not reposted, for brevity} . . .
4. . . . .
5. . . . .
6. Get this - Atkinson would somehow have to have miscounted the number of mortar shells landing just yards away from himself. He dove for cover when the first one hit. But the Army suggests he somehow failed to notice a second mortar round hitting some moments later - ten meters closer. Ridiculous. ”

Read dlawbailey’s point #6 again.

Is there any chance that “Pulitzer-prize-winning journalist Rick Atkinson”, after “He dove for cover when the first one hit”, spent the next 60-90 seconds smooching his butt (like dogs clean themselves), and so really did fail to notice “Bullets flying past him”, etc., until “He stood up quickly and got back to reporting. ”.

These sources simply won’t do. If there is anything to the accusation(s), the complete facts and information need to be posted within 24 hours.

One has only to recall the MoveOn ad in the NYT, and Senator Clinton’s opening remarks to Gen. Petraeus to judge the truth of dlawbailey’s writing:

“ I have no malice against him. I wish he was just a soldier. I could thank him for his service and respect him. ”.

re: #193 rokbassist

It's the V device on the Bronze Star that is in question, not the bronze star itself. The mortar shell makes it semi legit no matter what else happened.

There just isn't enough information presented to say the Army report is a lie. If the army report turns out to be true ( I suspect that it is) then it's jsut more kos fecal matter.

I bet Kerry is wishing this would go away. :@)

This again demonstrates that leftists are not patriots.

Check out the Wikipedia Talk section for him, where numerous libtards accuse him of joining westpoint to get out of going to vietnam:
Talk: David Petraeus
Since I last visited it, it now has multiple "citation needed" all over the place, and is now in a semi-protected state and has a NPOV label.

While some of the arguments in that discussion seem banal, I'm happy that this comment got the poster promptly ripped apart by nearly every editor in the thread.

Here for the RFC: I think that Bbrown8370 has it right -- Petraeus' notability comes mainly from his role as the chosen military spokesman for the White House on Iraq policy. It is widely acknowledged that his Report was ghostwritten by the White House. The fact that other military leaders, specifically Fallon, are less than pleased by this should certainly be included. And finally, I would disagree with Joe Friday's assertions that Fallon's views are "surprising" and "not widely known.

Gives me some hope for Wikipedia attempts at neutrality.

re: #193 rokbassist

The Bronze Star is not intended for valor or heroism in and of itself. It recognizes service that is meritorious in connection with an operation against the enemy, and the "V" means (at a minimum) that the meritorious service was in combat. Different commands will have slightly different standards for awarding it, and different times in history will have it awarded more often and less often.

As someone who participated in Urgent Fury (Panama), I can say that the Army was liberal with some awards (such as the CIB) because it was rare to have actual combat experience post-Vietnam, so those who got some combat exposure got recognized to distinguish them from everyone else.

The executive order establishing the award states:

There is hereby established the Bronze Star Medal, with accompanying ribbons and appurtenances, for award to any person who, while serving in any capacity in or with the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, or Coast Guard of the United States on or after December 7, 1941, distinguishes, or distinguished, himself by heroic or meritorious achievement or service, not involving participation in aerial flight, in connection with military or naval operations against an enemy of the United States.

Point is that there are higher awards for valor and combat action - Silver Star and Medal of Honor. So the ignorance over at Kos feeds an expectation that a Bronze Star with "V" requires a Rambo-like, "death is certain" action of heroism under enemy fire. It doesn't - that is what the Silver Star and Medal of Honor recognize.

That said, I have great respect a Bronze Star - it means you've seen the shit and made a contribution to the fight against the enemy. It represents everything that the assholes at Kos aren't doing and aren't capable of.

re: #197 1dogfoodzip9

1dog

This was the criteria listed for the "V" device, not just the bronze star. No one particular incident is required - it could be a sum of incidents or pertaining to conduct or service while in a combat area. I'm sure the requirements for a flag officer are different for an enlisted man; an enlisted man would most likely be required to be involved in one particular valorous act, while a flag officer could be awarded one for service in a combat area over a period of time. The top three awards the General has are only awarded to flag officers; the Legion of Merit is typically awarded to major command officers although in extreme circumstance has been awarded to officers as low as O-6 for extreme events (such as taking command in a major combat operation in a battlefield promotion and performing exemplary duty). I was in flying units or worked with flying units and only saw one person below flag rank with a Legion of Merit; this person also had a Medal of Honor, earned in Vietnam (regretfully I don't recall his name, I really wish I did)

re: #200 karmic_inquisitor

The part that says "not involving participation in aerial flight" is confusing, as I've seen many a pilot with Bronze stars. They must just award them for exemplary service in combat zones, but not tied to any particular incident. Those incidents must be raised up to the DFC or some other award.

What strikes me as funny is how scandalized the writer is that this extra medal would be an insult to the military and the nation. As if they really care.

re: #202 rokbassist

Distinguished Flying Cross

It was established in WW1, and FDR did not want the Bronze Star to replace it.

re: #125 Intestinal Fortitude

Ha, ha, really LMAO here! I read somewhere that they are still doing that over in Iraq too!

Semper Fi,
Bill

Ugh. I just waded through the crap at the DKOS site. Angry, ignorant, self-absorbed, whiny little bastards.

I enjoy LGF daily, usually just reading through the posts. Intelligent, thoughtful posts. Or witty sarcasms. After wading through that pig slop over there, I really really appreciate this site Charles. thank you.

# 196 Arbalest

Word auto-renumbered dlawbailey's points to 2..6 in my prep.

dlawbailey's points should be numbered 1..5.

Corrected:
"Read dlawbailey’s point #6 5 again."

Word helps me.

#199 dhael
The 30-50+ comments trying to include the "anonymous" source citing that Admiral Fallon attacked General Petraeus's character kind of hijacked any good feeling I might have about most of the editors there. Not to mention they'll just keep defacing it until they get their way ;/

OK - last post on this for me ...

Taken from the comments for the post, the diarist admits to not having the Citation and therefore not being able to tie down the events that earned the medal.

The diarist is responding to a challenge from a reader to post links because his post is otherwise lame:

Oh, I'll Have More For Ya. (0 / 0)

The only question is whether somebody beats me to it.

As for Petraeus' citation itself, I can find no report of when or why a heroic General got a hero's medal.

That's strange, no.

Paul Wolfowitz pinned the Bronze Valor Star on this young Marine. If you click the link, do notice the young corpral's saluting hand.

He doesn't have the other one, either.

But he did get the same medal Petraeus got.

by dlawbailey on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 04:26:33 PM PDT

So the guy confidently admits 2 things --
1) His case is based on a very weak supposition (that the varying incident accounts describe the same incident, when they could describe different incidents, thus varying).
2) He doesn't know what the Bronze Star is awarded for.

Stick a fork in it - it is done.

re: #187 karmic_inquisitor

Right on bro! I remember that term 'officer's medal' too. Look, let us face it, different situations, different men, some guys get nothing and some get Silver Stars for the same thing.

Remember this? It don't mean nuthin!

I'm a Marine but looking at the post that showed the man's awards I see that Ranger stuff up there. We occasionally send a Jar to Ranger's school (just to show them it can be done, ha, ha) and just that schooling alone with nothing else makes me respect the general.

All the Kos kids combined could not make a pimple on his ass!

Semper Fi,
Bill

#164 goddard:
This is also in the article you linked from Princeton, where Petreus earned two degrees:

"I also had a real tough landing skydiving two years ago and broke my pelvis. That was very, very painful – the worst injury I’ve ever had. But, again, I healed very well. I ran the Army Ten-Miler in October in a little under 64 minutes."

That's a fifty + years old guy, recovered from a broken pelvis, doing ten miles at a 6.4 minute per mile pace. When I did basic training, you got a perfect PT score in the mile if you did ONE in 6 minutes or under - at age 18 or 19 or 20!

As someone else poseted here, these dorks at Kos have no idea what they are dealing with, because - in their world - there are no people like this.

re: #208 xenophobic

#199 dhael
The 30-50+ comments trying to include the "anonymous" source citing that Admiral Fallon attacked General Petraeus's character kind of hijacked any good feeling I might have about most of the editors there. Not to mention they'll just keep defacing it until they get their way ;/

That particular argument is actually valid from an archivist's point of view. Whether Admiral Fallon's statement is a valid criticism, just the Admiral blowing steam, or an unsubstantiated rumor actually does matter when making a bio on a living person. A large part of the argument was actually centered on whether or not the statement could be supported, since it came from an anoynmous source without corraborration. I know I'll get dogpiled for agreeing to the argument's validity, but it does matter in that context. Archiving can be a painful process, because you have to be as neutral as possible or else take it from both sides.

In fact the argument that it should get its snip, rather than be in the main article pops up many times over the course of the argument, but mostare hesitant to give the statement enough credibility to warrant a seperate article. Even among those that are militant about its inclusion.

As for the defacers, well the article has been sealed. So the defacing is somewhat limited and anumber of Mods have been floating over the threads and enforcing policy with an iron fist.

Like, I said most of the arguments seems rudiculously insipid to someone not involved in the process. It's sort of like trying to explain the cultural rules and traditions of Eastern Asia to a man born and raised in New Jersey. It simply doesn't mesh well enough to make it easy to describe why these things are considered neccesary. If you read the thread, you'll see quite a few people get bitchslapped, on both sides, over trying to advertise their own POV.

The Patraeus discussion is actually fairly tame as far as arguments go. Go read the discussions on Bush or Pelosi if you want to see some real fireworks, as those draw more editors to argue about bigger (and much smaller) things. This discussion is mostly about the minutia.

Dhael:
I could agree with you if the quote pertained to the Admiral's belief that Patraeus couldn't do the job, or his abilities --however it seemed to be a snarky comment made about his character.
The fact it is quoted as an anonymous source is obviously a problem too. Anyone can write an article and embellish details, and then append "said an anonymous source" I think the combination of these two things add nothing to the argument other than that Patraeus's superior officer said something nasty about him (maybe?) in an attempt to demonize Patraeus.

re: #36 Geepers

David H. Petraeus - Four Star General

General George C. Marshall Award winner as the top graduate of the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College

U.S. military decorations
Defense Distinguished Service Medal
Distinguished Service Medal (with Oak Leaf Clusters)
Defense Superior Service Medal (with Oak Leaf Clusters)
Legion of Merit (with 3 Oak Leaf Clusters)
Bronze Star Medal (with “V” Device)
Defense Meritorious Service Medal
Meritorious Service Medal (with 2 Oak Leaf Clusters)
Joint Service Commendation Medal
Army Commendation Medal (with 2 Oak Leaf Clusters)
Joint Service Achievement Medal
Army Achievement Medal

U.S. unit awards
Joint Meritorious Unit Award (with 3 Oak Leaf Clusters)
Army Meritorious Unit Commendation
Army Superior Unit Award

U.S. non-military decorations
State Department Superior Honor Award

U.S. service (campaign) medals and service and training ribbons
National Defense Service Medal (with 2 Service Stars)
Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal
Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal
Iraq Campaign Medal
Armed Forces Service Medal
Humanitarian Service Medal
Army Service Ribbon
Army Overseas Service Ribbon (with 2 Oak Leaf Clusters)

U.S. badges, patches and tabs
Combat Action Badge
Expert Infantryman Badge
Master Parachutist Badge
Air Assault Badge
Joint Chiefs of Staff Identification Badge
Army Staff Identification Badge
Ranger Tab
Multi-National Force—Iraq Patch
101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) Patch
Foreign military decorations
Gold Award of the Iraqi Order of the Date Palm

Foreign badges, patches and tabs
British Parachutist Badge
French Parachutist Badge
German Parachutist Badge

Non-U.S. service medals and ribbons
United Nations Mission in Haiti (UNMIH) Medal[33]
NATO Meritorious Service Medal

Yeah, I can see why he'd feel the need to bulk up his commendations with a fake medal.

You forgot this:

"After earning his Ph.D. and teaching at West Point, Petraeus continued up the rungs of the command ladder, ..."

Oh my gosh...this is ridiculous! What a ridiculous thing to accuse him of. Clearly this man would have no 'truck' with faking ANYTHING!

He doesn't need to.

This man has done more with his life than (probably) all the Kosomlite posters, combined.

I would have been happy with just a Ph.D.....

~Norsk Troll

This charge against Patreaus was done when if first thought of ...

In other words, this is nothing, was nothing, and will be nothing but pure partisan B.S.

The Democrats, with their Moveon/Kos whip handlers, are not worth a ounce of the Generals piss!

No way in hell I'll go to Kos to see, but...

If this guy is attempting to use Rick Atkinson's book "In the Company of Soldiers," then he has a reading comprehension problem, in addition to the normal Kostard insanity.

Atkinson details a number of occasions when Petraeus was under either direct or indirect fire during the fighting south of and around Najaf. Separate mortar attacks are mentioned on pg. 199, (March 28th) and on pg. 206 (March 30th).

Atkinson also mentions that on at least one occasion, Petraeus flew front seat in an AH-64 to recon the battlefield with his own eyes.

===

Late on this dead thread, can any of the LGF legal staff help me out here?

It still seems to me that General Petraeus can show damages and has plentiful cause to do so.

WHAT
SAY,
R

Hanoi John Kerry, has three purple heart medals, two for self inflicted wounds! He also has a Navy silver star medal, with a combat V device. The combat V device is not issued with the Navy silver star, Hey KOS have you ever investigated that little fact? It's on Jihad Johnny Swift Boats DD-214. Which I've always felt is doctored by Mr. Kerry!

Some facts that were not presented in evidence.
1) The actual citation for this award. The diarist reveals one incident witnessed by a reporter and jumps to the conclusion that this is the incident for which the award was granted.
2) Criteria for the Bronze Star and then inclusion of the "V" device.

Criteria: a. The Bronze Star Medal is awarded to any person who, while serving in any capacity in or with the military of the United States after 6 December 1941, distinguished himself or herself by heroic or meritorious achievement or service, not involving participation in aerial flight, while engaged in an action against an enemy of the United States; while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force; or while serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.

Criteria for "V" device

V Device: The bronze "V" identifies the award as resulting from an act of combat heroism or "VALOR", thus distinguishing it from meritorious achievement awards.

I know several people with this award, and as with all rewards of this type first it is initiated by soldiers who witnessed the act and then approved by superiors. That is what caused such a big outcry about John Kerry's medals. He seemed to put himself in for the awards.
So while I continue to search for the actual citation for Gen Petraeus' award I find it highly ironic that the very folks who fro 5 years have told how dangerous a place Iraq is, is suddenly trying to raise doubts about a man being awarded a medal for valor.

Additional notes for my #218
I somehow think this medal was awarded for a period of service and not one specific incident. Liberals don't seem to understand that sometimes it is a cumulative affect that leads to awards not specific acts.

Also in researching this issue I found several allusions to Admiral Boorda, the Navy's top Admiral in 1996 who committed suicide apparently over question that were raised about his medals, and I found this.

In an April 26 speech to the U.S. Naval Institute in Annapolis, former Navy Secretary James H. Webb charged that the Navy's top officers have lost their ``moral courage,'' abandoning their battle-tested comrades to Tailhook and ``political correctness'' and standing silently by while the fleet has been shrunk.

While not mentioning Boorda by name, Webb said some admirals would rather preserve or promote their careers and curry favor with politicians than support the service.

Webb also charged that Boorda two years ago forced into retirement Adm. Stanley Arthur, then the Navy's vice chief. Arthur had been nominated to take command of all U.S. forces in the Pacific but quit rather than go through what promised to be a protracted Senate battle over his confirmation.

Yes that is the same Sen Webb who is now a front man for crippling our efforts in Iraq.

Oh please. Like Gen Petraeus, who must have 20-50 valid medals, has nothing better to do than conspire to get a "fake one" put it on his coat, then hope somebody is impressed? What did some small minded, nothing better to do than dream up trouble type, blow up a picture-then research each one and hope they didn't make a mistake to accuse him of a virtual waste of time? This person musta just left the "Troofer Commission" after finally realizing their stupidity.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Ok, well this is a pretty pale imitation, but what would you expect from the Daily Kos?

Clearly they don't know one medal from the other. But nevertheless, they've seen what a well targeted charge of an undeserved medal can do. So they're trying their hand at it too. Not surprisingly, they aimed at a highly respected general, backed by a long list of people with first hand experience who will attest to his character.

Contrast this with questionable wannabees such as Senator John Kerry, and you can see what motivates them. It would be comical, if it weren't so sad that they don't have the brains to back up their accusations.

The left could have many respectable views. However, they don't stand a chance of getting their message out while others in their party continue to spew such ignorant and stupid insinuations.

re: #221 BuckOhio

Oh please. Like Gen Petraeus, who must have 20-50 valid medals, has nothing better to do than conspire to get a "fake one" put it on his coat, then hope somebody is impressed? .

That's soo right. What possible reason would someone need to add a medal when he's got 40 nifty ones already? Bogus is needed when ya don't got none and need one or two. When ya got 40, adding another is a pain in the neck and not worth your time. When ya have that many good ones, it's more likely ones will be left OFF than added on!

If it wasn't for the fact that this is an actual skirmish - part of the greater War - battling against our military leadership, then it would be comical to watch people who studiously ignored the military out of "principle" suddenly present themselves as experts on medals, which is fraught with detail and proscribed regs that even the military who are extremely familiar with them, have to double-check to be sure they're doing it right, and think their arguments actually sound informed.

Let me see if I have this.This General is wearing a fraudulent award to the Senate. You know cause he doesn't have enough medals.
John Kerry though was a hero & all of the eye witness Swifties lied.
That about right?

Its hard to understand why a leader with as many awards as Petraeus would bother with one that is unearned. He got recommended for it by some one.
Hell, if Patton were alive these nuts would challenge his record as well because he spoke the truth about communism.

From dKos on this issue:
"Resolved: General Petraeus is a Phony and a Propagandist"
Since Kos is now officially considered "media" perhaps there can be a new resolution to see how many Dem candidates will support this statement from their new mainstream standard.

Let me tell you all how easy it is to get a V device. When reviewing my ribbons on the AFPC web site to figure out what I needed to update my blues for some worthless event, I found I had a V device on my Outstanding Unit Award. Apparently, we won the Outstanding Unit Award while deployed to Operation Southern Watch, so we were also awarded the V device.

Yeah, I was "shot at" once or twice... by unguided AAA. While I saw a few shells burst in the vicinity of the formation, nothing was ever close. One crew reported that a shell actualy jolted the aircraft, but that's as close to combat as we got.

re: #219 Just_A_Grunt

Additional notes for my #218
I somehow think this medal was awarded for a period of service and not one specific incident. Liberals don't seem to understand that sometimes it is a cumulative affect that leads to awards not specific acts.

This is just about the whole point. Let's put a fork in this one.

The BS-V is the fourth highest award for valor in action, but it is also the second from lowest - there are only five individual (as opposed to unit) combat valor medals in the Army (not counting the others for aerial flight irrelevant to this argument). The two lowest, Army Commendation Medal (5) and Bronze Star (4), are also awarded for meritorious service apart from any combat action, and need to be specified as "For Valor" ". . . in connection with military operations against an armed enemy. . ." when awarded for valor, thus resulting in a "V" device on the ribbon. Both of these (ACM and BS) are routinely awarded, and the BS especially to officers, for patterns of conduct in combat zones, and not necessarily for any one specific incident. Above these two (Silver Star, Distinguished Service Cross and Medal of Honor), a specific incident is needed to justify the award. A friend who received the MOH for actions in Vietnam was involved in an "incident" which lasted almost all of one day, and caused him to expose himself to almost certain death multiple times. But it was a specific "incident." He lives to wear the Medal to this day.

So, bottom line, the BS-V is fully justified if it is in fact legitimately awarded, and no specific event needs to be asserted or proven to justify it. I am aware of officers who were awarded the BS-V for simply being in areas of known hostile enemy control repeatedly over time, but without ever having seen, by sheer luck, actual action in those hostile areas. Such a pattern of risk taking was considered full justification for award of the BS-V, and no one can challenge even that spare basis for the award.

So Kos is totally off the track, REGARDLESS of what the circumstance leading up to the award were.

The difference with Kerry is that his SS and PH (the latter is NOT an award for valor but for being wounded as a result of hostile enemy action) - - - all these had to have been for specific single events - thus opening up the appropriateness of questions about the nature of those specific events.

The whole train of thought about what events Patreus was involved in to "justify" this particular type of medal - the Bronze star for Valor - is irrelevant nonsense.

Good post, #228.

re: #228 NamDoc67

This whole medal bullshit is just another of their red herrings. It wouldn't matter if the man was missing a limb and had a MOH adorning his neck, he'd still be targeted by these traitorous little swine.

*SPIT*

re: #62 Allah al Fubar

I know no one seemed to notice your broken heart but we did and can understand your pain and your anger. A lot of us think it would be an abomination to allow that creep to desecrate that ground where so many innocents lost their lives in the name of a brutal, oppressive lunacy parading around as a religion. None of us can truly know your pain and loss but we can help by doing our part to stand up to the evil that took your daughter from you so that no one else will have to suffer as you have. My heart goes out to you and your family.

How Ironic, Fox news is doing a story right now all about General Petraeus' vast medals, ribbons and tags and how he earned them. I'm sure they can't cover them all. It would take all night to do that. Irony is so ironical.

Back in my day, ossifers almost automatically got a Silver Star just for showing up. The Bronze with V device seems a modest acknowledgment.