I would have to applaud the IDF if this is to be true.

Do we need a 72 hour rule on this?

Which is why much of world never uttered a peep when the IDF acted.

If it's true...it's not exactly a shocker.

"Informed sources..." Heck, who could question that?

But, isn't it being reported elsewhere?

Oh, I wouldn't doubt it, but we won't know for, like, ever. The Israelis are freaking ballsy.

Only Nancy knows for sure

re: #7 mjk

We already know:
if there are radioactive materials there
their origin, back to ore
how they got there
from where

Bush, himself, demanded to see the proof!

And, Ehud Barak supplied it.

Ehud Barak, who once donned women's clothing and looked great as a female in a brunette wig; went into Lebanon. And, killed bad guys. Well? They had no idea.

Just like the "grocers" who went into gazoo. And, retrieved Shallit's kidnapping planner.

Military actions don't get better than this.

And, if I have to guess? Irak's the last place on earth we're trying to stabilize. And, we're doing it because what's below ground is important enough for human survival.

While Maliki? Well, let's see? Assad's been terrorized by the IDF. Iran's implicated. And, north korea has to deal with "fall out."

Bush got what he wanted: PROOF.

Proving, yet again, that the Israelis are masters when it comes to psychology. And, warfare. Einstein and Freud. GOOD STOCK!

Individuals do make a bigt difference!

Journal-losem lost another round.

#6
I wouldn't believe most stuff being reported about this whole Syria thing. No one seems to know EXACTLY what the Israelis have done, even the Israelis.

Which makes it even cooler and funnier.

Maybe as an apology for making the horrific piece of garbage that was "Munich", they can make a movie about this.

If this is one of those tabloid type writeups, the include the "fact" that the IDF entered from Turkey. If the bombing mission was so difficult because of the distance from Israel, how would the ground forces have made it into Syria. This sounds like a spy novel. Besides, if the ground forces could have made it in to Syria, collected the material and then left with it, why would they have needed a bombing mission to begin with. The ground troops could have destroyed the place by detonating whatever explosivesthey did not take, besides using demolitions that they had brought.

Way more than a 72 hour rule.

The original mission itself has yet to be confirmed by anybody that counts.

This may fall under the heading of 72 year rule.

MAKE
IT
SO,
R

apparently Ehud Barak, the former head of "Sayeret Matkal" (Commandoes) oversaw the opperation... finally something he is actually good at...

As an aside, today, in a piece out of Israel. I read that the "fuel tanks" found by syria, were in too good a shape to have fallen off, or out of, aircraft. But were put there as "McGuffins."

To place them there? They had to be carted in, by a group of fellas, looking like a bunch of rug salesmen. And, they got away with it.

METHOD ACTING at its finest.

CSU advertisers pull ads. Too bad, so sad.

If this is true, it's huge news. Syria & N Korea are currently meeting to figure out a response and explanation. I'm sure this has fucked up whatever plan they've been working on.

he he

One more time...

Those external fuel tanks could very well have come the Turkish Air Force, which uses far more of them, (exact same make and model), than the Israelis do.

They offer no proof one way or another.

Where's the BDA?

CHEESE,
R

This rings true... sure would explain a few things.

The Cold War is heating up.

Tapping foot impatiently for B2 bomber to unload on Natanz...

Just helping ya all to put pieces together;

In another article I read. At DEBKA this time. It seems Israel and India put a "seeing eye" satellite up in orbit. That has "radar vision" ... That separates rocks from camophlage.

Well? I'd bet the syrians used a lot of camophlage.

Up there with what didn't work. The russian "paid for" ... NO JAM FOR YOU ... technology got the crap beaten out of it, too.

Which means? The media screams will grow louder. And, go on longer.

O/T

What's the lgf email address? Have something to share.

The last time that Israeli jets destroyed a foreign facilty, what was the target?

re: #22 rappmandu

O/T

What's the lgf email address? Have something to share.

Sidebar form Rap

re: #22 rappmandu

It's on the left sidebar on the main page.

I hope this is true. F*** the axis of evil

re: #17 NJDhockeyfan

If this is true, it's huge news. Syria & N Korea are currently
meeting to figure out a response and explanation. I'm sure this has
fucked up whatever plan they've been working on.

he he

Actually, fucked up even better, is Ehud Barak, being quoted today, saying that IF Assad does anything at all, buh bye to Damascus. It goes back to stone age rocks. (I think Assad hears this, now.)

re: #22 rappmandu

Charles@ or use the Contact Us on the left.

The really good stories aren't told until several years after the fact. Or maybe decades.

re: #22 rappmandu

On every page, even.

re: #30 Phocid

And the really bad, say, Bay of Pigs.

thanks

The sources confirmed that the materials were tested after they were taken from Syria and were found to be of North Korean origin

Thank you bill clinton and jhimmi carter.

I'd love to think this is true. But the British press is a tenth as reliable as the American press, so I'll look forward to confirmation elsewhere.

Thank you Pakistan.

re: #27 savage_nation

Hey,

Glad I caught up to you. How's your Dad doing?

Great catch, Charles! Uzi ("ethnic bomb") Mahnaimi's name is on it. Hence, highly suspect.

Too bad because, if true, it's a great story!

re: #12 Sabba Hillel

Because there were the planted "McGuffins." Fuel tanks from air craft; lying about the desert floor. Found by the syrians. Out hunting for clues.

What fell from the sky?

How come there's a route in over Turkey?

And, no one knows.

It'll probably remain "secret" as long as the media remains hostile.

re: #14 thabo

apparently Ehud Barak, the former head of "Sayeret Matkal"
(Commandoes) oversaw the opperation... finally something he is actually
good at...

Let me add that the Winograd Commissioners are holding a final report that just went up in smoke.

re: #39 savage_nation

re: #37 M. Bensson-Levi

re: #27 savage_nation

Hey,

Glad I caught up to you. How's your Dad doing?

You heard the latest?

NO. That's why I'm asking.

There's more detail in the original Sunday Times story, including this tidbit about the appeasement mentality in the State Dept and how Bush is following it.

China abruptly postponed a session of the nuclear disarmament talks last week because it feared America might confront the North Koreans over their weapons deals with Syria, according to sources close to the Chinese foreign ministry. Negotiations have been rescheduled for this Thursday in Beijing after assurances were given that all sides wished them to be “constructive”.

Christopher Hill, the US State Department negotiator, is said to have persuaded the White House that the talks offered a realistic chance to accomplish a peace treaty formally ending the 1950-1953 Korean war, in which more than 50,000 Americans died. A peace deal of that magnitude would be a coup for Bush – but only if the North Koreans genuinely abandon their nuclear programmes

Big news here the Dem's will be tap dancing on the Sunday news networks. Must see TV.

P.S. For the scoop on Uzi Mahnaimi, see Yourish.com.

As she/they are blind to anything (terrorist activities) that conflicts with their view of moderate "Palestinians" wanting peace, I predict Condi and the State Dept will continue to pretend that her/their North Korean policy is successful.

Condi Rice, A better dressed Madeline Albright.

from the article:

Diplomats in North Korea and China believe a number of North Koreans were killed in the strike...

re: #44 CommonSense

Big news here the Dem's will be tap dancing on the Sunday news networks. Must see TV.

Is Kucinich or Pelosi schedualed for tomorrow?

ISRAELI planes last week bombed and destroyed a northern Syrian missile base that was financed by Iran, an Arab Israeli newspaper reported. Citing anonymous Israeli sources, the Assennara newspaper said Israeli jets "bombed in northern Syria a Syrian-Iranian missile base financed by Iran ... It appears that the base was completely destroyed". Syria, on Tuesday, lodged a formal complaint with the UN over the "flagrant violation" of its airspace last Thursday, during which it said its air defences opened fire on Israeli warplanes flying over the northeast of the country. Israeli officials have refused to comment on the report, as Prime Minister Ehud Olmert "instructed ministers not to talk about the incident related to Syria at all", a senior Israeli government official said. A US defence official said on Tuesday that Israel had launched an air strike well inside Syria, apparently to send Damascus a message not to rearm Shia Hezbollah militants in Lebanon.

re: #46 opinionated

Her record is a big zero.

Details emerge about bombing of Syrian target
By Glenn Kessler and Robin Wright
The Washington Post
WASHINGTON -- Israel decided to bomb a suspected nuclear site in Syria on Sept. 6 after the Israeli government shared intelligence with President Bush last summer indicating that North Korean nuclear personnel were in Syria, U.S. government sources said.

The Bush administration has not commented on the Israeli raid or the underlying intelligence. Although the administration was deeply troubled by the Israeli assertion that North Korea was assisting Syria's nuclear ambitions, sources said, the White House opted against an immediate response because of concerns that it would undermine long-running negotiations aimed at persuading North Korea to abandon its nuclear program.

Ultimately, however, the U.S. is believed to have given Israel some corroboration of the original intelligence before Israel proceeded with the raid, which hit the Syrian facility in the dead of night to minimize casualties, the sources said.

The target of Israel's attack was said to be in northern Syria, near the Turkish border. A Middle East expert who interviewed one of the pilots involved said they operated under such strict operational security that the airmen flying air cover for the attack aircraft did not know the mission's details. The pilots who conducted the attack were briefed only after they were in the air, he said. Syrian authorities said there were no casualties.

U.S. sources would only discuss the Israeli intelligence, which included satellite imagery, on condition of anonymity, and many details about the North Korean-Syrian connection remain unknown.

The quality of the Israeli intelligence, the extent of North Korean assistance and the seriousness of the Syrian effort are uncertain.

It is possible that North Korea was merely unloading items it no longer needed. Syria has actively pursued chemical weapons in the past, but not nuclear arms, leaving some proliferation experts skeptical of the intelligence that prompted the Israeli attack.

This week, Syria and North Korea denied that they were cooperating on a nuclear program.

Bush refused to comment on Israel's attack, but he issued a blunt warning Thursday to North Korea that "the exportation of information and/or materials" would affect negotiations under which North Korea would give up its nuclear programs in exchanges for energy aid and diplomatic recognition.

Unlike its destruction of an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981, Israel made no announcement of the recent raid and imposed strict censorship on reporting by Israeli media. Syria made only muted protests, and Arab leaders have remained silent.

As a result, a daring and apparently successful attack to eliminate a potential nuclear threat has been shrouded in mystery.

"There is no question it was a major raid. It was an extremely important target," said Bruce Riedel, a former intelligence officer at Brookings Institution's Saban Center. "It came at a time the Israelis were very concerned about war with Syria and wanted to dampen down the prospects of war. The decision was taken despite their concerns it could produce a war. That decision reflects how important this target was to Israeli military planners."

Let's send Nancy witha geiger counter.

Why the fuck must the U.S. sanction the actions of Israel?

re: #50 cbinflux

Syria made only muted protests, and Arab leaders have remained silent.

ha

re: #54 MandyManners

Why the fuck must the U.S. sanction the actions of Israel?

Well, we are allies.

BTW, the So. Korean President has STHU.

Still with the unnamed sources.

C'MON,
R

re: #12 Sabba Hillel

If this happened, the ground troops would have come across the Iraq/Syria border, not all the way from Israel.

re: #54 MandyManners

Why the fuck must the U.S. sanction the actions of Israel?

I think Israel would have done it anyway. Getting the US to say yes makes things easier.

re: #44 CommonSense

Big news here the Dem's will be tap dancing on the Sunday news networks. Must see TV.

Paging Mister Dean ,, Paging Mister Howard Dean !

re: #53 cbinflux

Let's send Nancy witha geiger counter.

Nah, let her eat some of it, then we'll check her with a Geiger counter.

re: #61 NJDhockeyfan

God and the USA watch over His people.

re: #60 stevieray

re: #12 Sabba Hillel

If this happened, the ground troops would have come across the Iraq/Syria border, not all the way from Israel.

I read somewhere they were flown in by helicopter from Turkey.

Interesting, eh?

re: #9 cbinflux

BINGO. Pokerface.

re: #49 NJDhockeyfan

I'm sure they won't be found especially since they both have visited Syria.

re: #63 savage_nation

re: #54 MandyManners

Why the fuck must the U.S. sanction the actions of Israel?

I've wondered that for years. I wish Israel would tell us to get fucked just ONCE!

Simply, if Israel were to do something major in the region, they would want pre-assurance that the US was on board to back them up once the Arab nations retaliate. They ( the Israelis') aren't asking our permission, they're letting us know !

Just one mans opinion

Syria made only muted protests, and Arab leaders have remained silent.

And their Indian/Filipina slaves may never get the stains out of their loin sheets.

re: #69 sattv4u2

re: #63 savage_nation

re: #54 MandyManners

Why the fuck must the U.S. sanction the actions of Israel?

I've wondered that for years. I wish Israel would tell us to get fucked just ONCE!

Simply, if Israel were to do something major in the region, they would want pre-assurance that the US was on board to back them up once the Arab nations retaliate. They ( the Israelis') aren't asking our permission, they're letting us know !

Just one mans opinion

Bingo

The Jerusalem Post writing a story about the Sunday Times writing a story about a secret raid confirmed by anonymous sources.

You don't get any more rock solid than that.

re: #48 savage_nation

I am so sorry to hear this. Obviously his recent stroke is now a relatively
minor matter.

Some form of cancer obviously.

Again, I'm so sorry to hear this. I've had a lot of losses recently, and there's really nothing to say that makes it any easier.

Make your peace with him. Enjoy all the time with him that you can.

G-d bless, and give you peace.

re: #64 Ward Cleaver

re: #53 cbinflux

Let's send Nancy witha geiger counter.

Nah, let her eat some of it, then we'll check her with a Geiger counter.

M'mmm, yellowcake.

re: #74 savage_nation

Thanks

Something else to consider...
/...hello, All...

re: #66 NJDhockeyfan

re: #60 stevieray

re: #12 Sabba Hillel

If this happened, the ground troops would have come across the Iraq/Syria border, not all the way from Israel.

I read somewhere they were flown in by helicopter from Turkey.

Interesting, eh?

Hmmm! The backstabbing politics of the Middle East are legendary... it could have happened that way as well.

How long before the left spins this into a Bushitler conspiracy to start a new war?

IF it's true i wouldn't be suprized

Israeli sources admitted that special forces had been accruing intelligence in Syria for several months

Earth shattering.

re: #80 NJDhockeyfan

Tomorrow morning. Hillary's already fed Russert and Stephanopolous the talking points.

Savage, sorry to hear your news.

It has been a tough year for you my man, hang in there.

I have already said prayers for Cartman, I will get some in for your father as well.

re: #51 cbinflux

re: #46 opinionated

Her record is a big zero.

If Bush had a ounce of sense left to try to repair the damage he will leave to the next President, at the next Congressional recess he should appoint Bolton as Sec of State. Besides the good it will do, it will drive Democrats and the Media crazy.

That it won't happen, that Rice will remain to damage every issue she touches, and to work for America's "greatest legacy"- a 'Palestinian' State- will seal my opinion of Bush.

re: #54 MandyManners

Why the fuck must the U.S. sanction the actions of Israel?

I would think this is a diplomatic way of saying the US was not neutral.
The target (and rest of the world) would take it that way.

I am waiting to hear that the Israelis planted the N Korean nuke materials in Syria and then bombed it. It's probably on on some moonbat blog right now. (with photos of dead children bombed by the IDF)

re: #86 Opinionated
lame ducks

Do nothing President and Residents.

I’m skeptical of this report because it comes from the Sunday Times

If the airstrike happened, this would certainly explain why. The recent Bush "no comment" response, which I found odd, also lends credence to the unfolding story.

In any case, what does it matter?

/truth or propaganda, witching hour is fast approaching

re: #88 yah

Didn't you see the Teddy Bears on the jettisoned tanks?

re: #82 Sharmuta

The person who wrote that line assumes that the IDF doesn't accrue intelligence in Syria on a daily basis.

If the IDF hasn't been conducting intelligence gathering on every single one of its neighbors, every single day since 1948, then it isn't doing its job. It seems there is ample evidence to assume otherwise.

LOGICALLY,
R

re: #61 NJDhockeyfan

re: #54 MandyManners

Why the fuck must the U.S. sanction the actions of Israel?

I think Israel would have done it anyway. Getting the US to say yes makes things easier.

The dichotomy still amazes me.

re: #92 Render

The beauty of it is that the neanderthals will go into a killing spree, suspecting everyone.

re: #88 yah

It is a very interesting story, given the state of affairs worldwide right now.

I am sure, Israel would not proceed, giving history what it is, without having some kind of assurance from other arab states, (I think this is really what the U.S. approval is in disguise) they would object to the point of lining up troops on the border due to bruised nationalistic egos.

In all honesty, what we do know, is Israel did do something. Even more striking, for a country that could not fart without the arab street going nuts, they sure don't seem to be bitching a whole lot about this episode.

re: #95 savage_nation
Guilty

re: #78 savage_nation

Thank you for your kind words.

Wish I could offer something more.

Keep the Faith.

Snatched: Israeli commandos 'nuclear' raid - Times Online

Here's the part that I like:

China abruptly postponed a session of the nuclear disarmament talks last week because it feared America might confront the North Koreans over their weapons deals with Syria, according to sources close to the Chinese foreign ministry. Negotiations have been rescheduled for this Thursday in Beijing after assurances were given that all sides wished them to be “constructive”.

Christopher Hill, the US State Department negotiator, is said to have persuaded the White House that the talks offered a realistic chance to accomplish a peace treaty formally ending the 1950-1953 Korean war, in which more than 50,000 Americans died. A peace deal of that magnitude would be a coup for Bush – but only if the North Koreans genuinely abandon their nuclear programmes.

The outlines of a long-term arms relationship between the North Koreans and the Syrians are now being reexamined by intelligence experts in several capitals. Diplomats in Pyongyang have said they believe reports that about a dozen Syrian technicians were killed in a massive explosion and railway crash in North Korea on April 22, 2004.

/g'nite all. It's late.

re: #83 cbinflux

re: #80 NJDhockeyfan

Tomorrow morning. Hillary's already fed Russert and Stephanopolous the talking points her Fascist-spewing nipples..

re: #90 Killian Bundy

I’m skeptical of this report because it comes from the Sunday Times

If the airstrike happened, this would certainly explain why. The recent Bush "no comment" response, which I found odd, also lends credence to the unfolding story.

In any case, what does it matter?

/truth or propaganda, witching hour is fast approaching

The IDF must have hit something big or the Syrians would have had the milk factory/orphanage/school on TV immediately with dead bodies laying around for full propaganda effect. So far, nothing.

The US did not sanction the strike on the Iraqi Osarik reactor complex in 1981. Nor did the US sanction the strike on the PLO headquarters in Tunis, 1985.

I could be wrong but I don't believe that the US sanctioned the raid on Entebbe either...

OCTOBER
RUST,
R

re: #84 formercorpsman

You're a good man. G-d bless you.

re: #87 PETN Sandwich

re: #54 MandyManners

Why the fuck must the U.S. sanction the actions of Israel?

I would think this is a diplomatic way of saying the US was not neutral.
The target (and rest of the world) would take it that way.

Well, that is true. To a point, that is.

re: #100 MandyManners

re: #83 cbinflux

re: #80 NJDhockeyfan

Tomorrow morning. Hillary's already fed Russert and Stephanopolous the talking points her Fascist-spewing nipples..

ewww!

re: #96 FormerCorpsMan
I think that they are in shock because of the failure of their new anti-aircraft radar...same system that Iran uses...

re: #104 M. Bensson-Levi

Well thank you, and yourself likewise.

Israel let the US in on what was happening because:

-always tell your allies what is really going on
-Israel wanted to be sure in event of war, they had full US backing
-Israel did not want its attack to disrupt anything the US had going on that was more important
-Israel proved the value and capabilities of its intelligence services

The US got everything it needed to crush the North Koreans' stones, removed a terrorist proliferator state AND sent a message to Iran and Syria that the US has MANY ways of really hurting them and more is sure to come.

re: #107 Atman

Russia's best. If you can't jam it, cram it. That always works.

OT: Cool!

Available on eBay: A missile base to call your own

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Well, how about a Titan intercontinental ballistic missile facility? Bet that special someone doesn’t have one of those beauties. We’re talking 45,000 square feet of usable space — not including the tunnels — in 16 buildings under 57 acres in the high desert near Moses Lake, west of Spokane, Wash.

And it can be yours for a mere $1.5 million, available right now on eBay!

Half the underground space has ceiling heights of 8 to 10 feet, we’re told, and in the 110-foot-diameter control dome building they soar up to 65 feet. There are three 160-foot-tall missile silos — enough to take out a major Soviet city! (Note: Missiles and nuclear warheads not included but can be purchased cheap in Pyongyang or Islamabad.)

“I think it would make a really neat resort/camp/retreat facility,” says the seller, Bari Hotchkiss, who says he’s a Los Angeles-area entrepreneur.

Hotchkiss told us he bought the former Larsen Air Force Base complex about 10 years ago from folks who bought it when the federal government was decommissioning these older facilities in the mid-’60s and ’70s.

Accept no substitutes. “None of (the other old missile bases) has useable electrical systems etc.,” Hotchkiss says in his ad. “Most all of them have major water problems — either completely filled with water or gone to rust. Ours is one of the rare ones, and the only useable Titan that ... is DRY!” So what are you waiting for?

Hotchkiss is open to working out a joint-venture arrangement. “I kind of wanted to develop it,” he said, “but I haven’t had the time, and it’s 1,300 miles away.”

The 1950s-vintage installation will take a bit of work, Hotchkiss told us, depending on your needs and how much you want to restore. There is a private well and electrical power on the site, and propane can be trucked in. The five-story elevators need to be retrofitted, and you might want to fix up or rebuild the storage building and trailer homes. So costs for upgrades could range from several hundred thousand dollars to the millions.

But the possibilities are endless. A Golden Door salon? A paintball convention center? Star Trek headquarters? A new location for Dick Cheney?

re: #102 Render

Do you really believe this story isn't true?

/gut reaction

re: #96 formercorpsman

re: #88 yah

Even more striking, for a country that could not fart without the arab street going nuts, they sure don't seem to be bitching a whole lot about this episode.

One theory is Syria and Iran don't want to make too big a deal about Israel penetrating deep into Syrian air space. If they can do it to Syria they could do it to Iran.

re: #105 MandyManners

I left this for you over on the Nazi thread. Thought you ought to read it.

re: #48 savage_nation

re: #42 M. Bensson-Levi

re: #39 savage_nation

re: #37 M. Bensson-Levi

re: #27 savage_nation

Hey,

Glad I caught up to you. How's your Dad doing?

You heard the latest?

NO. That's why I'm asking.

He starts radiation treatment on Monday. If he doesn't have radiation, he's dead in 3 to 6 months. Radiation will give him 6 more months tops.

Dad will be gone in a year.

Savage, I'm so sorry to hear about your dad. I'll keep you guys in my prayers.

re: #107 Atman

No doubt, and if memory serves me, wasn't Russia a little peeved about us installing something of the like in Eastern Europe?

In my own opinion, I think the story is probably true.

It just seems, with all of the boldness coming out of the few players involved, they have been very antagonistic.

What really strikes me, is how China seems truly concerned about how the Norks might hurt their position as well.

Who in the world would have thought China would have really gotten involved to the degree they did with toning down the Norks.

Looks they might have gotten burned also.

re: #110 CbInFlux
Ha! Iran may be doing a little cramming...
This can't be good news for them...

re: #113 Canadian Guy

One theory is Syria and Iran don't want to make too big a deal about Israel penetrating deep into Syrian air space. If they can do it to Syria they could do it to Iran.

/with impunity

re: #116 FormerCorpsMan
The raid may be very good news for us all the way around...

re: #107 Atman

re: #96 FormerCorpsMan
I think that they are in shock because of the failure of their new anti-aircraft radar...same system that Iran uses...

Which is precisely why the Syrians ignored this story. No sense announcing to the world "Hey look, the Israelis kicked our ass, AGAIN!"

re: #112 Killian Bundy

For the moment, no. No BDA, no official confirmation from named sources, and a story that just keeps getting deeper and deeper with each retelling.

NYET,
R

re: #118 Killian Bundy

re: #113 Canadian Guy

One theory is Syria and Iran don't want to make too big a deal about Israel penetrating deep into Syrian air space. If they can do it to Syria they could do it to Iran.

/with impunity

/oh yeah, and just contemplate what we're capable of

re: #113 Canadian Guy

Russia, Syria, Iran.

Hat Trick, Gene Hart screams!

Ayatollah Ghilmeini (#109),

And the with fact that fully armed US Jets are in the air just a short distance away it would probably be best that any Fighter bombers cruising in Syrian air space be properly identified as friendly.

re: #106 NJDhockeyfan

re: #100 MandyManners

re: #83 cbinflux

re: #80 NJDhockeyfan
Tomorrow morning. Hillary's already fed Russert and Stephanopolous the talking points her Fascist-spewing nipples..

ewww!

We -B- Nightmares!

re: #120 Racer X
Let's wait and see if we hear anything more about Syria's move on the Golan...

re: #121 Render

re: #112 Killian Bundy

For the moment, no. No BDA, no official confirmation from named sources, and a story that just keeps getting deeper and deeper with each retelling.

NYET,
R

/so Netanyahu doesn't float your boat?

re: #124 Geepers

Ayatollah Ghilmeini (#109),

And the with fact that fully armed US Jets are in the air just a short distance away it would probably be best that any Fighter bombers cruising in Syrian air space be properly identified as friendly.

I read recently the U.S. cooperated for exactly that reason - Turkish jets also use the same identification. Make sure no one shoots the wrong target.

re: #114 M. Bensson-Levi

re: #105 MandyManners

I left this for you over on the Nazi thread. Thought you ought to read it.

*smoochies* to him!

re: #113 Canadian Guy

Excellent point. Shows the remarkable gap between Modern and Third World defense technology.

re: #111 NJDhockeyfan

Here's the eBay listing.

re: #100 MandyManners

re: #83 cbinflux

re: #80 NJDhockeyfan

Tomorrow morning. Hillary's already fed Russert and Stephanopolous the talking points her Fascist-spewing nipples..

EEEWWW!

re: #129 MandyManners

re: #114 M. Bensson-Levi

re: #105 MandyManners

I left this for you over on the Nazi thread. Thought you ought to read it.

*smoochies* to him!

smoochies?

I don't do smoochies!

Unless, of course, you're naked, then I'm willing to discuss the matter.

No!, don't say anything! Sorry I brought it up. DON"T SAY ANYTHING!

re: #121 Render

If you're correct, then this is an incredibly sophisticated pretext/ruse.

/and there would only be one purpose for that

re: #129 MandyManners

And I left this for you.

re: #127 Killian Bundy

Actually, I wish Bibi was running things, (I really like his book, A Place Among the Nations).

But he's not, Bibi is on the outside looking in, and therefor, quite unofficial.

I hope the story is true, but I can't add it to the history books...yet.

NOBODY'S
FAULT,
R

re: #134 Killian Bundy

Maybe not a ruse.

My gut feeling is that the Syrians suffered yet another "work accident" at one of their missile plants.

HEADS
WILL
ROLL,
R

re: #71 NJDhockeyfan

re: #69 sattv4u2

re: #63 savage_nation

re: #54 MandyManners

Why the fuck must the U.S. sanction the actions of Israel?

I've wondered that for years. I wish Israel would tell us to get fucked just ONCE!

Simply, if Israel were to do something major in the region, they would want pre-assurance that the US was on board to back them up once the Arab nations retaliate. They ( the Israelis') aren't asking our permission, they're letting us know ! Just one mans opinion

Bingo

I am sure that Israel does not do much that is not sanctioned by our Admin or State Dept. The fact that we distance ourselves from their actions does not show us in a very good lightl. It's like we're hiding behind tiny Israel.

Where, oh where are our fucking balls!

B"H The Israelis have it.

Here's an idea.

Israel could have hit these targets, using missiles fired from its Dolphin Class sub. DIDN'T.

I do not know how Bush was contacted; given how government secrets leak.

Here? They're leaking AFTER THE FACT. So Bush and his White House kept a lid on the back-and-forth traffic with Ehud Barak.

And, the Israelis COOPERATED. That made their tasks more difficult. Because Bush asked for evidence that North Korean nuclear material was in fact, on the ground, in the Syrian desert.

By the way, on July 23rd, when the MUSTARD GAS was being loaded onto a SCUD; the accident spread the gas over all who were present. And, given the "hiarchy" of command structures; the syrians had sent in their top officers. (On super-duper secrets.) Iran, as the money-funder, also had their people there. And, then? There were dead koreans. Body bags, were collected by men wearing "protective gear" ... and flown out, through Bejing, to North Korea.

Once your dead, it's no longer a secret. But there were dozens of men who were no longer breathing.

One of the things Donald Rumsfeld talked about; to get around the sewer that's DC, was that you use "STOVE PIPES." Ways that you just touch the most senior personnel who can get a job done.

And, ya know what? I'd bet Bush tasked DICK CHENEY with this assignment.

Months of work went into this.

Plus, the stuff in orbit. The Israelis don't need America's "mapping services." She's got her own satellites. And, DEBKA says, she just cooperated with a successful flight India put up. Putting something in orbit that lets Israelis see what's hidden. It somehow (through radar?) can tell the difference between "rocks" and camophlaged equipment.

Meanwhile? The damage in the syrian desert is extensive.

And, like I said, those "fuel tanks" might not have been dropped. Since the ones the syrians found were in perfect condition. Not the way things land, when they fly down on gravitational pull, with momentum.

So how did the syrians get fooled? Because it made for dramatic photo ops? Wouldn't you need to at least hear a few planes breaking the sound barrier, to believe that there were flights?

As I said, I'm sure there are choices. Missiles could'a flown in, if Bush decided to play "hard to get." Maybe, he thought "asking for proof" was gonna be a handicap, enough?

We have no way of knowing.

As to books? I've recently bought a book on Israel's 6 Day War, from back in 1967; that spells out a whole other scenario. Russia had heard of Israel's Demona Project. And, planned on putting an end to that.

It took 40 years to find out something this basic.

re: #140 Carol Herman

Carol, you're always a fascinating read.

Where do you get your information? (other than Debka)

Cheers.

re: #96 formercorpsman

re: #88 yah

It is a very interesting story, given the state of affairs worldwide right now.

I am sure, Israel would not proceed, giving history what it is,
without having some kind of assurance from other arab states, (I think
this is really what the U.S. approval is in disguise) they would object
to the point of lining up troops on the border due to bruised
nationalistic egos.

In all honesty, what we do know, is Israel did do something. Even
more striking, for a country that could not fart without the arab
street going nuts, they sure don't seem to be bitching a whole lot
about this episode.

Ya know, before this story began leaking, I had read that Assad was very angry at his "brother states." Because NONE OF THEM CAME FORWARD with complaints against Israel.

Is something up?

I remember reading that in WW2, the arabs just ran into their tents. Coming out only after we won. After it was obvious that the Allies knocked the crap out of the german's. (This is before we got Japan to surrender.)'

The arabs are very impressed with military talent.

WIth Israel? They're just afraid of getting hit.

ANd, the whole thing about the Lebanon encounter? Where it was said Israel lost her "deterence?" That was a canard.

What we don't know is how this will all slowly unravel.

Assad's got to worry that IF something big happens, and there are dead Jews, Damascus BLOWS. And, it won't be a small hole left in the ground, either. Ehud Barak just warned him.

Maliki, meanwhile, is losing his parliament; how long will he be able to survive that?

Seems like bets were made. While the horsees were stll running.

The music stopped. And, we have to wait and see what those who were holding tickets, from syria to iran, now go. And, do.

Don't expect the truth from the media elites. This story can end up crapping all over them, too.

re: #140 Carol Herman

umm Carol...

The Syrians didn't find those drop tanks. The Turks did, there is video of the recovery of those drop tanks, from Turkish territory (linked here on LGF). They looked like they'd been dropped.

And they could have been dropped by Turkish F-16's or US F-16's, just as easily as by Israeli F-16's.

SHOW
ME,
R

re: #11 mjk

I wouldn't believe most stuff being reported about this whole Syria thing.

Well Dude, just for shits and giggles, let's assume it's accurate.

Then what?

If true, this is huge. The Mother Of All Spec Ops. Did they bomb the place and bring back some Nok folks, along with materials? That's one sweet move man. BIG TIME MOVE. Go in, recc'y the place for days probably, send in some snatch and grab teams, bug out, lase the target, BOOOM...

Very, very, very f$cking nice...

UKSSR, United Kingdom of Sniveling Socialist Republics thinks Israel is the "Mission Impossible" group.

Thats a good reputation to have.

Is there any chance that the "nuclear material "could have been "wmd stuff" that was rumored to have been smuggled into Syria just before the invasion? And the ensuing silence by all parties is a sort of a deal like we caught you with the goods and if you complain we go public with the origins of the material and the whole "unjust war rhetoric" just goes PU...FF!
The silence of the press and usual seethers is just too odd.

Actually, the Israelis have been watching that area of Syria ever since Saddam trucked (and flew) his WMDs there in Feb-March 2003. The UN is complicit in this affair. It was very busy buying Saddam time to move the stuff with all of those delays and discussions about using military force against Iraq. Israel had satellite pics to prove the move. Since 2003, the Syrians have been very busy "improving" Saddam's "starter set" with Iranian and Nork help. And now, the Israelis came and spoiled their little "Project Genocide".

Poor Nazi-rallah. Only a few months ago he blabbed quite loudly about how they were preparing a surprise - a very hot summer - for Israeli civilians. Now, he's not so loud. He prefers blowing up Christian Lebanese politicians for his Iranian and Syrian clients.

I draw the dots between the Israeli raid(s) and the recent UN appointment of Iran to chair the nuke committee. Hmmm...

It's written by Uzi Mahnaimi, author of the Israeli "ethno-bomb" hoax.

You know, the death ray or bug that can be tuned to kill specific ethnic groups.

He's just a liar.

The telling point here is the complete lack of world reaction. Outrage against Israel is usually strongest when Israel has done nothing at all. So if Israel had not made this raid, or it was just a fly-by:

a) The MSM would be publishing pictures of smoking buidings and dead children
b) The UN would have passed a resolution condemning Zionist terrorism
c) Arab governemnts would be screaming their heads off
d) Rage Boy would be out on the streets

As not even Robert Fiske has taken advantage of this golden opportunity to declare an outrage, we must assume there is something else at work this time.

With respect,

If you are skeptical, why posit it?

The main reason I'd believe it; the Arabs haven't tried to deny it!

Israel CAN do it and WILL do it, if necessary.

Never forget; the information WE get from our media is SO OFF BASE from the reality of the situation... only 10 - 15 years from now someone will write a book and the truth be known.

#151 Sabra
So true...Rage Boy is unusually quiet...there must be something to this...

From the J Post in an article about the London Times article:

Meanwhile, Newsweek quoted Binyamin Netanyahu adviser Uzi Arad in reference to the Syria operation. "I do know what happened, and when it comes out it will stun everyone," he said.

Hmmm BeBe is usually right...

those who are in the know are not talking

those who know shit write for the newspapers.

ENOUGH SAID

re: #102 Render

The US did not sanction the strike on the Iraqi Osarik reactor complex in 1981.
R

I recently read something from Ronald Reagan's diaries; apparently Jimmy Carter was notified in advance about Osirak but he did not inform Reagan when the presidency changed. (Now why would that be ...?)

North Korea and Syria, a secret research tag team if ever there was one

May , 2004 article excerpt;

Syrians Technicians Killed in (north Korean) Train Explosion

...
...
According to the same source, the technicians aboard
the train had been sent from the Syrian technical
research center called Centre d'Etudes et de Recherche
Scientific (CERS). Although CERS was established to
promote science and technology development, it is
suspected of playing a major role in Syria's weapons
of mass destruction development program.

...
...
The action taken by Syria and
the DPRK indicates that the cargo was top secret
matter, which the two countries did not want to bring
out into the open." With regard to the DPRK and Syria,
the United States and other countries have indicated
concern that the two countries are continuing to
cooperate in the development of Syria's "Scud-D"
missiles,

...
...
[Link: groups.yahoo.com...]

History rears its ugly head
but,
we can't possibly connect any dots here folks.

that is,
how could the IAF possibly get a team so close to the Chinese/North Korean border and create such a train wreak ? ...

/sarc

re: #158 Airedale

thanks for the link i did not know that.

re: #159 yochanan

re: #158 Airedale

thanks for the link i did not know that.

I've been saving that link for years but the one I can't find is about a joint military amphibious exercise of Russian amphibs hitting the Syrian beaches.. I thought that if you absolutely positively need to move top secret WMD being shipped out of Iraq, you would want it moved the most secure way.

That happened, I believe, just before some saber rattling against North Korea during nuke negotiations. China,Russia,The US and Japan were very upset at Kim
and the Russians,in a show of force, put their fleet on maneuvers off the Nork coast to send a strong message to Kim that he must fall in line.

... I wonder if the Russian amphibs that had the exercise already came home and offloaded some material for shipping across the Siberian railway.

ah well, maybe it didn't happen ( on Syrian soil )
maybe no connection but I really wish I could dig up that old military exercise article for time line reasons,

If true, I wonder if Saddam would be buying nukes off the shelf from North Korea if he were around today. THANKFULLY, we will never know.

When did this NK/Syria program begin and when did Assad get his palace buzzed?

re: #152 aussie_dave

Aussie Dave - this is you? http://www.israellycool.com/

All of this conniving could be lessened by our not needing or buying oil. It would lower the revenues used against us and allow us to call BS on murderous behavior, from whomever. Invent and institute the new energy sources, please, US and Israeli scientists and engineers.

re: #52 cbinflux

WaPo is also carrying this on-topic article with a Reuter's byline:

Israeli commandos prepared Syria strike: paper

Reuters
Sunday, September 23, 2007; 8:20 AM

LONDON (Reuters) - A British newspaper [The Sunday Times] said on Sunday Israeli commandos seized North Korean nuclear material in Syria to help secure U.S. approval for an Israeli air strike that destroyed a suspect weapons plant on September 6.

This article also mentions:

Jane's Defence Weekly said last week that a fatal blast at a Syrian military complex in July was caused not by hot weather, as Damascus said, but a malfunctioning Iranian chemical warhead.

(Someone in the Kosling thread had asked about this...here's one instance.)

Syria hosted many Nazis after WWII.

The N. Korean thing is plausible.

Details and timelines...here

News reports said the air strike occurred at a facility near the Eurphrates river, 50 miles south of the Turkey border. Has anyone heard of a more exact location?
Here is the area on Google Maps. The blue line is approximately 50 miles south of the Turkey border. The map data is copyrighted 2007. It's a large area because the Euphrates sort of parallels the Turkey border there. There is a strange feature near Ar Raqqah, but it could be a mine.

Bush's recent visit to Iraq included a briefing with US personnel in coordinating the attack on the Syrian target with the IDF. Quite sure the attack was made from the Iraqi side.

re: #141 pablito

The info on the Scud that was a Dud when they loaded it with Vx and so forth appeared in Janes Defense Weekly a while back.

Please remember on the topic of WMD that Syria is not a signatory to any conventions on the use of poison gas and biological weapons.

re: #163 Sunlight

No, I do not know who that aussie_dave is, but it sure isn't me. I go by "Israellycool" on LGF.

This is a late post but this seemed the best place for it. I may re-post if a newer thread comes up so more see this:

Part 1

SILENCE IN SYRIA, PANIC IN IRAN

Written by Dr. Jack Wheeler
Wednesday, 19 September 2007

One of India's top ranking generals assigned to liaise with the Iranian military recently returned to New Delhi from several days in Tehran - in a state of complete amazement.

"Everyone in the government and military can only talk of one thing," he reports. "No matter who I talked to, all they could do was ask me, over and over again, 'Do you think the Americans will attack us?' 'When will the Americans attack us?' 'Will the Americans attack us in a joint operation with the Israelis?' How massive will the attack be?' on and on, endlessly. The Iranians are in a state of total panic."

And that was before September 6. Since then, it's panic-squared in Tehran . The mullahs are freaking out in fear. Why? Because of the silence in Syria .

On September 6, Israeli Air Force F-15 and F-16s conducted a devastating attack on targets deep inside Syria near the city of Dayr az-Zawr. Israel 's military censors have muzzled the Israeli media, enforcing an extraordinary silence about the identity of the targets. Massive speculation in the world press has followed, such as Brett Stephens' Osirak II? in yesterday's (9/18) Wall St. Journal.

Stephens and most everyone else have missed the real story. It is not Israel 's silence that "speaks volumes" as he claims, but Syria 's. Why would the Syrian government be so tight-lipped about an act of war perpetrated on their soil?

The first half of the answer lies in this story that appeared in the Israeli media last month (8/13): Syria 's Antiaircraft System Most Advanced In World. Syria has gone on a profligate buying spree, spending vast sums on Russian systems, "considered the cutting edge in aircraft interception technology."

Syria now "possesses the most crowded antiaircraft system in the world," with "more than 200 antiaircraft batteries of different types," some of which are so new that they have been installed in Syria "before being introduced into Russian operation service."

While you're digesting that, take a look at the map of Syria :

Notice how far away Dayr az-Zawr is from Israel . An F15/16 attack there is not a tiptoe across the border, but a deep, deep penetration of Syrian airspace. And guess what happened with the Russian super-hyper-sophisticated cutting edge antiaircraft missile batteries when that penetration took place on September 6th.

Nothing.

El blanko. Silence. The systems didn't even light up, gave no indication whatever of any detection of enemy aircraft invading Syrian airspace, zip, zero, nada. The Israelis (with a little techie assistance from us) blinded the Russkie antiaircraft systems so completely the Syrians didn't even know they were blinded.

Now you see why the Syrians have been scared speechless. They thought they were protected - at enormous expense - only to discover they are defenseless. As in naked.

Thus the Great Iranian Freak-Out - for this means Iran is just as nakedly defenseless as Syria . I can tell you that there are a lot of folks in the Kirya (IDF headquarters in Tel Aviv) and the Pentagon right now who are really enjoying the mullahs' predicament. Let's face it: scaring the terror masters in Tehran out of their wits is fun.

It's so much fun, in fact, that an attack destroying Iran's nuclear facilities and the Revolutionary Guard command/control centers has been delayed, so that France (under new management) can get in on the fun too.

On Sunday (9/16), Sarkozy's foreign minister Bernard Kouchner announced that " France should prepare for the possibility of war over Iran 's nuclear program."

Part 2 (sorry, I don't have a link - anyone able to find one)

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All of this has caused Tehran to respond with maniacal threats. On Monday (9/17), a government website proclaimed that "600 Shihab-3 missiles" will be fired at targets in Israel in response to an attack upon Iran by the US/Israel. This was followed by Iranian deputy air force chief Gen. Mohammad Alavi announcing today (9/19) that "we will attack their (Israeli) territory with our fighter bombers as a response to any attack."

A sure sign of panic is to make a threat that everyone knows is a bluff. So our and Tel Aviv's response to Iranian bluster is a thank-you-for-sharing yawn and a laugh. Few things rattle the mullahs' cages more than a yawn and a laugh.

Yet no matter how much fun this sport with the mullahs is, it is also deadly serious. The pressure build-up on Iran is getting enormous. Something is going to blow and soon. The hope is that the blow-up will be internal, that the regime will implode from within.

But make no mistake: an all-out full regime take-out air assault upon Iran is coming if that hope doesn't materialize within the next 60 to 90 days. The Sept. 6 attack on Syria was the shot across Iran 's bow.

So - what was attacked near Dayr az-Zawr? It's possible it was North Korean "nuclear material" recently shipped to Syria, i.e., stuff to make radioactively "dirty" warheads, but nothing to make a real nuke with as the Norks don't have real nukes (see Why North Korea's Nuke Test Is Such Good News, October 2006).

Another possibility is it was to take out a stockpile of long-range Zilzal surface-to-surface missiles recently shipped from Iran for an attack on Israel .

A third is it was a hit on the stockpile of Saddam's chemical/bio weapons snuck out of Iraq and into Syria for safekeeping before the US invasion of April 2003.

But the identity of the target is not the story - for the primary point of the attack was not to destroy that target. It was to shut down Syria 's Russian air defense system during the attack. Doing so made the attack an incredible success.

Syria is shamed and silent. Iran is freaking out in panic. Defenseless enemies are fun.