Color me surprised.

/not

The Times would really like it if we MovedOn.

And absolutely nobody gets canned.

NYT hasn't had credibility since the Duranty stories covering Stalin's ass, that was 60 years ago.

"...about an unpopular war..."

And the the popular wars were...

Yes -- and we mustn't change the subject from the constant DNC-media drum beat of

"it's an unpopular war... it's an unpopular war... it's an unpopular war..."

That's all that matters - even though the left should be clear that Hillary Clinton is lying to them when she says she will pull the troops out if she and Bill get in again.

Sulzberger, who said he wasn’t aware of MoveOn.org’s latest ad until it appeared in the paper, said: “If we’re going to err, it’s better to err on the side of more political dialogue. ... Perhaps we did err in this case. If we did, we erred with the intent of giving greater voice to people.”

Yeah, the Columbia defense.

Too bad Hitler is dead. I guess they'd let him write an editorial too.

They are all in bed together--

Howard Dean
MoveOn
Soros
etc...

Still waiting for Hillary Stalin Clinton to denounce the ad.

re: #5 AuntAcid

"...about an unpopular war..."

And the the popular wars were...

The ones we tell you are. Quit questioning us.

/NY Slimes

Note to NYT editorial board:

You're making our work very easy out here in the cottages. And we are not ungrateful.

re: #5 AuntAcid

Those were the ones Stalin decided to be popular. Read the sudden sea change in the Eastern Intelligentsia during that era after Stalin belatedly realized it was sooner rather than later. WWII was not popular by the press or Hollyweird until then. The cartoon in the NewYorker with the punch line to the Doolittle raid rejoinder made that very obvious.

We're a "cottage industry"?

On target.

NY Slimes tries to aim high at a military hero,

and shoots themselves in the ass.

The pricing issue is a purposeful distraction tossed out to cover for the main issue, namely whether the NYT should have run the ad at all.

I would conjecture that, from the moment the Times ad people got the Purchase Order from MoveOn, there was barely unspoken pressure from the top to run the ad no matter what -- in the interests of maintaining a warm relationship with George Soros.

In which case, no one at the NYT would ever get the sack about this ad.

The answer to the first question is that MoveOn.org paid what is known in the newspaper industry as a standby rate of $64,575 that it should not have received under Times policies. The group should have paid $142,083. The Times had maintained for a week that the standby rate was appropriate, but a company spokeswoman told me late Thursday afternoon that an advertising sales representative made a mistake.

Oh for the love of God! Just for once, tell the f*cking truth.

They just seem to keep making these mistakes.

Ted Rall defecates on 911 victims and families, whoops my bad

They destroy US ability to monitor terror funding AFTER Bush personally begged them not to publish AND they called for the very policy immediately post 911- so sorry we regret now.

Then they cannot explain why their circulation keeps dropping while the NY Sun is rising. They are out of touch with their readers too.

Did the times fire the ad exec who made the moveon.org ad sale or promote him. His "screw up" cost the company almost $80K. Did he check with his boss? That too should have got him fired. If he did and the boss approved it, how was it a "mistake?"

These are not accidents, they are the product of liberals' complete divorce from reality and the Times venal world view.

"The Times" thinks that its readership are morons who cannot read between while lapping their lattes. Let their stock continue to sink like a stone.

So in addition to printing national security secrets they now print opinion articles by anti american groups calling generals traitors. Wow.

Gee.
I have a Zombie type pic of said editor entering the Times building.

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Fish the world over are protesting being wrapped in the NY Times.

By the end of last week the ad appeared to have backfired on both MoveOn.org and fellow opponents of the war in Iraq — and on The Times. It gave the Bush administration and its allies an opportunity to change the subject from questions about an unpopular war to defense of a respected general with nine rows of ribbons on his chest, including a Bronze Star with a V for valor. And it gave fresh ammunition to a cottage industry that loves to bash The Times as a bastion of the “liberal media.”

How did this happen?

Well, uh, gosho gee whiz. I wonder.

#9 Desert Sage

"Hillary Stalin Clinton"

ROTFLMAO! Kol HaKavod!

Hey! Don't call me a rapist, that incites people do dislike me and want me imprisoned!

Call me an Undocumented Inseminator with Assertive Issues...

re: #16 rabidsquirrel

The answer to the first question is that MoveOn.org paid what is known in the newspaper industry as a standby rate of $64,575 that it should not have received under Times policies. The group should have paid $142,083. The Times had maintained for a week that the standby rate was appropriate, but a company spokeswoman told me late Thursday afternoon that an advertising sales representative made a mistake.

Oh for the love of God! Just for once, tell the f*cking truth.

Yeah it is funny how this "mistake" cost their company 80 grand. Wow quite a mistake their, whats that about 100000000000000 monthly subscriptions?

Used to be that when you read the N Y Times, you had to clean the black ink off your hands.

Now, even reading it online, you have the clean the odor of disgust from your thoughts.

And it gave fresh ammunition to a cottage industry that loves to bash The Times as a bastion of the “liberal media.”

Refresh my memory, Clark; when was the last time the NYT editors endorsed a Republican presidential candidate? Mmmm?

"Cottage Industry" isn't that a considerable demotion from "Vast Zionist Conspiracy"?

Blackwater shooting update: Check this out...
In Nisour Square (Updated!) (Again)

Watch the first video. At the end they show a white car, there's a bullet hole in the center top of the windshield. When the camera pans back it shows a strange opening in the roof of the car. It look to me like a firing position just big enough for a man to stand in that they cut into the roof. Also the bullet hole in the windshield wouldn't have hit the driver, it would have hit someone standing and firing from the improvised sun roof.

Any thoughts? this looks like a job for Zombie.

Dear NYT;

There is a word for your incompetence.

BANKRUPTCY

re: #16 rabidsquirrel

The answer to the first question is that MoveOn.org paid what is known in the newspaper industry as a standby rate of $64,575 that it should not have received under Times policies. The group should have paid $142,083. The Times had maintained for a week that the standby rate was appropriate, but a company spokeswoman told me late Thursday afternoon that an advertising sales representative made a mistake.

Oh for the love of God! Just for once, tell the f*cking truth.

Oh sure! Blame the poor sales rep!

:fist balled up, shaking at monitor:

re: #9 DesertSage

Still waiting for Hillary Stalin Clinton to denounce the ad.

re: #16 rabidsquirrel

The Times had maintained for a week that the standby rate was appropriate, but a company spokeswoman told me late Thursday afternoon that an advertising sales representative made a mistake.

Yeah,
always blame the sales rep.

It was a beautiful moment, nothing like watching your opponnets being hoisted on their own petards.

Something to look forward to "The Kingdom":

The Kingdom, Universal’s $70 million contribution to the burgeoning Iraq/War-on-Terror genre, will not hit theaters until September 28, but already word on the film is immensely encouraging: all the right people hate it. A predictable early reaction—surely a harbinger of hand-wringing to come—came from Variety critic John Anderson, who damned the film as “jingoistic,” complaining that it turns “anonymous, indigenous peoples into ducks at a shooting gallery.”

Having caught the film at a sneak preview this past weekend, I can confirm that lots of “indigenous peoples” get theirs in this terrifically entertaining thriller—but they are “anonymous” only in the way that we don’t know the names of the Nazi soldiers firing on our troops on Omaha Beach in The Longest Day or Saving Private Ryan. We know who they are—bloodthirsty terrorists—and in The Kingdom they get their just deserts by the cartload, without apology.

How good is this film? Let’s put it this way: in promotional appearances, director Berg has gone out of his way to deemphasize its political content. “I didn’t want to make something so political that people felt they were having spinach rammed down their throat,” he told one online interviewer. “I wanted people to be affected by a piece of entertainment.” If you live in Hollywood, that’s called making sure you still have a career when the dust clears.

Berg needn’t worry—I bet the film will be a blockbuster. In the suburban New York theater where I saw it, the audience, full of New York Times readers and NPR listeners, seemed not only shaken afterward, but a little confused: the Americans were the good guys, and they won. But reports have it that elsewhere in the country, audiences are cheering.

City Journal

#26 Opinionated

Yeah but who reads it?

#29 addendum...

They also show some clips and ammunition. I assume those are AK clips. I don't think the US uses banana shaped clips.
Anyone here know their guns?

re: #31 ornery elephant

re: #16 rabidsquirrel

The answer to the first question is that MoveOn.org paid what is known in the newspaper industry as a standby rate of $64,575 that it should not have received under Times policies. The group should have paid $142,083. The Times had maintained for a week that the standby rate was appropriate, but a company spokeswoman told me late Thursday afternoon that an advertising sales representative made a mistake.

Oh sure! Blame the poor sales rep!

:fist balled up, shaking at monitor:

Brilliant sales reps. think alike.

Bwha

How bad a business model do you have when your sales rep is a moonbat? If your stock broker was going through chicken entrails to make your picks you might move you business. Same here.

By the end of last week the ad appeared to have backfired on both MoveOn.org and fellow opponents of the war in Iraq — and on The Times

ROTF!

This reminds of the response of the student editors of the Colorado university newspaper who printed "F*uck Bush" writing that they were 'disheartened by the uninteded consequences".

Just how stupid do you have to be?

/don't answer that

re: #37 ibmkeyboard

re: #31 ornery elephant

re: #16 rabidsquirrel

The answer to the first question is that MoveOn.org paid what is known in the newspaper industry as a standby rate of $64,575 that it should not have received under Times policies. The group should have paid $142,083. The Times had maintained for a week that the standby rate was appropriate, but a company spokeswoman told me late Thursday afternoon that an advertising sales representative made a mistake.

Oh sure! Blame the poor sales rep!

:fist balled up, shaking at monitor:

Brilliant sales reps. think alike.

Bwha

LOL! We aren't gonna take it no more!

re: #38 pat

How bad a business model do you have when your sales rep is a moonbat? If your stock broker was going through chicken entrails to make your picks you might move you business. Same here.

Their sales reps are busy selling out to anti american leftist groups to reply to your statement.

.

And it gave fresh ammunition to a cottage industry that loves to bash The Times as a bastion of the “liberal media.”

Are they gonna bill us for the MoveOn ad ?

/That would make perfect sense for the marxofascist mind...

I'm sure if anyone of us accidentally undercharged a client by $77500.00 we would still have a job. Perfectly understandable.

"And it gave fresh ammunition to a cottage industry that loves to bash The Times as a bastion of the “liberal media.”"

Don't you love it? The Times is admittedly "urban" -- liberal by another name -- and provides copious examples of its drift with each edition. But to hold that fact up to the light is considered "bashing."

Isn't this the newspaper that exulted in the resignation of "far-right" Newt Gingrich from the House of Representatives? The paper that argued that the unsupported word of Anita Hill was more trustworthy than the brilliant and unblemished record of service of Justice-nominee Clarence Thomas? The paper that hasn't endorsed a Republican for the presidency since Eisenhower?

Isn't this the paper whose disgraced former chief Howell Raines went out of his way to shield a deceitful pseudo-journalist from the consequences of his deeds -- because he was a young black man? The paper that gives venomous socialist Frank Rich half a page in its Sunday editorial section? That considers David Brooks a conservative and Thomas Sowell too controversial to publish? That's allowed Maureen Dowd to deride President Bush from the day of his inauguration onward, with no regard for the vacuity of her pieces?

"Bashing," indeed!

re: #13 MandyManners

And it's a cozy little cottage, to be sure.

How are you this morning? How was your night on the town?

gave fresh ammunition to a cottage industry that loves to bash The Times as a bastion of the “liberal media.”

It aches my heart that these moonbats have hijacked the word 'liberal' while they stand opposed to true liberty.

Yes.

Morningstar Alert

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re: #28 GeorgetownPress

"Cottage Industry" isn't that a considerable demotion from "Vast Zionist Conspiracy"?

Maybe they could call it a "Stetl Industry"?

re: #38 pat

I'm not so sure. I've seen stock picks made by what appeared to be throwing darts at letters of the alphabet, and it didn't come out any worse than any other strategy.

First off, let me qualify this by saying I know nothing about selling ad space at a newspaper, but a sales rep for the NYT is going to have the ad rates memorized and the "violation" here, far as I can tell, is that MoveOn was guarranteed a specific date for that ad. Not only would a sales rep know that a higher rate would apply but I gotta believe that sales rep would HAVE to have approval for a specific date run on that ad. Believe me, that ad and the timing of it was approved by more people than you can shake a stick at.

From Newt Gingrich
: Why the 08 Candidates are failing.

September 23, 2007 — The decision of the leading Republican candidates for president to skip the debate being organized by African-American talk show host Tavis Smiley this week is shortsighted, not just for the party but for the country.

Contrary to what candidates in either party may think, the political dividing line in America doesn’t run between the GOP and minorities. For most Americans, it’s not even found between Republicans and Democrats, or the red-versus-blue-state invention of the media.

The real division is between hardworking, tax-paying Americans - of both parties and all races - and an entrenched, permanent governing system in Washington and state capitals designed to serve its own needs and not the needs of the American people.

Over the 42 years since the beginning of Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society, the increasing power of public employee unions, the growth of the bureaucracies, the rise of lawyers, the development of complex regulatory legalism, and the entrenchment of an elite establishment that imposes political correctness have combined to create this permanent governing class system.

And the values of this permanent government are not those of the Americans who pay the taxes and the union dues that support it. Its bureaucracies value process more than achievement; its lawyers value rules over results; and its politically correct elite value avoiding embarrassment more than telling the truth about failure.

In stark contrast, the American people, regardless of race and party affiliation, are overwhelmingly united on key values and on the need for real change in the way America governs itself.

We are being bled dry by a growing black hole in DC and State Capitals.

re: #4 jcm

NYT hasn't had credibility since the Duranty stories covering Stalin's ass, that was 60 years ago.

The Times did correctly state that the Titanic had sunk. (Most of the other papers at the time reported that the Titanic was merely damaged.)

re: #47 ibmkeyboard

ouch. I pity any of them who have stock options as part of their pay.

This is a patently sorry attempt by NYT to "unring the bell". WaPo pulled the same stunt over the Opus muslim "cartoon". First WaPo refused to publish it, then a few days later ran an editorial to the effect "in retrospect that mightn't have been the wisest decision".

Once again, these sniveling liberals want to have their cake and eat it also

re: #52 The Other Les

That was before the Bolshevik takeover of Russia, which explains this surprising accuracy.

"It gave the Bush administration and its allies an opportunity to change the subject from questions about an unpopular war to defense of a respected general with nine rows of ribbons on his chest, including a Bronze Star with a V for valor."

Didn't Kos just have a diary questioning this V for valor? Seems odd that this one award would have been singled out for mention.

I know how we can increase the NYT's credibility. Remove little Pinch and replace him with Dan Rather. The old guy has time on his hands and needs a job. Two birds with one stone eh? He'd take to that job like a mad June bug through a jar of peanut-butter.

Courage.

re: #34 Van ImpeThanks for the pointer, I'm there!

Steph Jespersen, the executive who approved the ad, said that, while it was “rough,” he regarded it as a comment on a public official’s management of his office and therefore acceptable speech for The Times to print.

So next time there is a judicial nominee before the Senate Judiciary Committee, let's put up a "rough" ad in the NY Slimes commenting on Ted Kennedy's "management of his office". We can call it: "Senator Kennedy or Senator Drunkard?"

Oh yeah, the NYT's rep was, yet again, sullied by the "mistake" of it's top guy and some sap in advertising, yeah, sure. I believe it. Millions wouldn't. Another case of them tapping as fast as they can, calling it ballet, hoping we'll believe them rather than our lying eyes.

Just another example of people so insensitive, morally gushy, and memory deficient that it really does fit their character. So let's stop acting like they will get it if enough of us pound on them endlessly (key word: endlessly). If they did "get it" the ad would have been stripped of the abuse of the General's name, at a minimum. Let's treat them as they are demonstrating they want us to: show them our backs. From now on.

And stop going to the movies. Stop renting them. I can think of no industry more dispensable than Hollywood. Just stop. Read a good book, go fishing-not-fishing, go play cards, go play with your dog. Go make love to someone you love. STOP GOING TO THE MOVIES. Because everytime you do, you feed the beast that spits on you with its products. And that feeds the Hillary combine.

Who stinking cares about the "The Kingdom" movie. Let it languish in the theatres. Spend your money on something other than overpriced popcorn and substandard movie quality.

re: #50 ornery elephant

First off, let me qualify this by saying I know nothing about selling ad space at a newspaper, but a sales rep for the NYT is going to have the ad rates memorized and the "violation" here, far as I can tell, is that MoveOn was guarranteed a specific date for that ad. Not only would a sales rep know that a higher rate would apply but I gotta believe that sales rep would HAVE to have approval for a specific date run on that ad. Believe me, that ad and the timing of it was approved by more people than you can shake a stick at.

Well, I DO know someting about selling newspaper ads _ I used to work at USA Today and learned quite a bit. If this 'accident' had happened there, some bodies would have been launched from the 21st floor onto Wilson Blvd.below.

Here's another thing you may not be aware of. Advertising rates are set by the Audit Bureau of Circulation according to sales circulation. With NYT circulation plummeting, so are the ad rates they can charge. This was no 'accident'.

It's a $78,000 partisan campaign contribution by a company that on paper can't afford it, if it's legal, which it probably isn't.

re: #56 McJenny50

Didn't Kos just have a diary questioning this V for valor? Seems odd that this one award would have been singled out for mention.

Interesting observation. One does wonder.

re: #45 Lucius Septimius

I'm fine this beautiful morning. It wasn't a night on the town. It was a day shopping in Heap Big City and it was marvelous. I got to take my time looking and buying without having to tell anyone to not walk off or to get away from the manequin. (I only saw one group of Muslims--young women dressed normallly accompanied by a normally dressed mother and a grandmother in a hijab.) The only bad thing was the traffic. Making a four-lane street into a six-lane street is not my idea of brilliant engineering.

OT

I'm watching Steve Centanni on FNC and I'm beginning to think I don't like this guy very much. Does anyone else have this reaction to his way of 'reporting'?

re: #60 alexa kim

Oh yeah, the NYT's rep was, yet again, sullied by the "mistake" of it's top guy and some sap in advertising, yeah, sure. I believe it. Millions wouldn't. Another case of them tapping as fast as they can, calling it ballet, hoping we'll believe them rather than our lying eyes.

Just another example of people so insensitive, morally gushy, and memory deficient that it really does fit their character. So let's stop acting like they will get it if enough of us pound on them endlessly (key word: endlessly). If they did "get it" the ad would have been stripped of the abuse of the General's name, at a minimum. Let's treat them as they are demonstrating they want us to: show them our backs. From now on.

And stop going to the movies. Stop renting them. I can think of no industry more dispensable than Hollywood. Just stop. Read a good book, go fishing-not-fishing, go play cards, go play with your dog. Go make love to someone you love. STOP GOING TO THE MOVIES. Because everytime you do, you feed the beast that spits on you with its products. And that feeds the Hillary combine.

Who stinking cares about the "The Kingdom" movie. Let it languish in the theatres. Spend your money on something other than overpriced popcorn and substandard movie quality.

Actually I went to an early screening of 'The Kingdom' last month. From a Lizard-anti Jihad point of view it was pretty good. I give it 4 out of 5 Lizards.

"...And it gave fresh ammunition to a cottage industry that loves to bash The Times as a bastion of the 'liberal media.'"

If the tinfoil hat fits, wear it.

Business Model? Considering that this ad got such a negative response, it will probably only accelerate the loss in readership. Add that to the fact that they collected less than 50% of their fee for it. It's like shooting holes in the bottom of a sinking ship. We can only hope that they fully embrace this business model and keep it up.

It wasn't an 'accident,' it wasn't a boat propeller, or a coral reef, or Jack the Ripper. It was a liberal.

re: #47 ibmkeyboard

Pretty soon the newspaper is going to cost more than a share of their stock.

re: #64 MandyManners

Which big heap city?

Know what you mean -- shopping with the kids can be a nightmare -- try doing it with three.

You'd said earlier you were thinking of getting a hotel room or something, or was that a joke? And I still have the image of you with your hair up in curlers -- I didn't know anyone did that any more (my wife has to straighten her hair, so that isn't an issue with her -- luckily we live in a city with an extremely large range of "relaxing" products)

re: #52 The Other Les

re: #4 jcm

NYT hasn't had credibility since the Duranty stories covering Stalin's ass, that was 60 years ago.

The Times did correctly state that the Titanic had sunk. (Most of the other papers at the time reported that the Titanic was merely damaged.)

Topics of the Times
("New York Times," 13 January, 1920, p. 12, col. 5)
A Severe Strain on Credulity
As a method of sending a missile to the higher, and even highest, part of the earth's atmospheric envelope, Professor Goddard's multiple-charge rocket is a practicable, and therefore promising device. Such a rocket, too, might carry self-recording instruments, to be released at the limit of its flight, and conceivable parachutes would bring them safely to the ground. It is not obvious, however, that the instruments would return to the point of departure; indeed, it is obvious that they would not, for parachutes drift exactly as balloons do. And the rocket, or what was left of it after the last explosion, would have to be aimed with amazing skill, and in dead calm, to fall on the spot where it started.

But that is a slight inconvenience, at least from the scientific standpoint, though it might be serious enough from that of the always innocent bystander a few hundred or thousand yards away from the firing line. It is when one considers the multiple- charge rocket as a traveler to the moon that one begins to doubt and looks again, to see if the dispatch announcing the professor's purposes and hopes says that he is working under the auspices of the Smithsonian Institution. It does say so, and therefore the impulse to do more than doubt the practicability of such a device for such a purpose must be--well, controlled. Still, to be filled with uneasy wonder and express it will be safe enough, for after the rocket quits our air and and really starts on its longer journey, its flight would be neither accelerated nor maintained by the explosion of the charges it then might have left. To claim that it would be is to deny a fundamental law of dynamics, and only Dr. Einstein and his chosen dozen, so few and fit, are licensed to do that.

His Plan Is Not Original
That Professor Goddard, with his "chair" in Clark College and the countenancing of the Smithsonian Institution, does not know the relation of action to reaction, and of the need to have something better than a vacuum against which to react--to say that would be absurd. Of course he only seems to lack the knowledge ladled out daily in high schools.

But there are such things as intentional mistakes or oversights, and, as it happens, Jules Verne, who also knew a thing or two in assorted sciences--and had, besides, a surprising amount of prophetic power--deliberately seems to make the same mistake that Professor Goddard seems to make. For the Frenchman, having got his travelers to or toward the moon into the desperate fix riding a tiny satellite of the satellite, saved them from circling it forever by means of an explosion, rocket fashion, where an explosion would not have had in the slightest degree the effect of releasing them from their dreadful slavery. That was one of Verne's few scientific slips, or else it was a deliberate step aside from scientific accuracy, pardonable enough of him in a romancer, but its like is not so easily explained when made by a savant who isn't writing a novel of adventure.

All the same, if Professor Goddard's rocket attains a sufficient speed before it passes out of our atmosphere--which is a thinkable possibility--and if its aiming takes into account all of the many deflective forces that will affect its flight, it may reach the moon. That the rocket could carry enough explosive to make on impact a flash large and bright enough to be seen from earth by the biggest of our telescope--that will be believed when it is done.

It took the NYT 57 years to fix this one.

OK, so the sales rep made a mistake, well two mistakes, reall. Does no one up that long chain of supervisors and editors have the authority to correct the lowly sales rep as to price AND content?

re: #65 rw in san diego

OT

I'm watching Steve Centanni on FNC and I'm beginning to think I don't like this guy very much. Does anyone else have this reaction to his way of 'reporting'?

The poor sap invited Allah into his heart under duress. By their fruits you will know them. (Stan followers). Stan has more than a few warriors on the information battlefield.

I received a mailer this week asking me to subscribe to the New York Times. I took the prepaid reply envelope and stuffed it full -- made sure to make my sentiments known, too. It felt good to put it in the mailbox.

I realize this satisfying moment was both small and fleeting -- I liken it to having a fresh cup of coffee...

Even the Public Editor Can't Cover Up the Smell

Don't you have to be literate and un-biased to be a Journalistic Public Editor?

Last time I checked, you did.

This guy is just a hack.

Give me the good old days, when journalists had ethics...

~Norsk Troll

"can you smell that smell ... the smell of liberals all around youuu ... "

re: #75 traveler

I received a mailer this week asking me to subscribe to the New York Times. I took the prepaid reply envelope and stuffed it full -- made sure to make my sentiments known, too. It felt good to put it in the mailbox.

I realize this satisfying moment was both small and fleeting -- I liken it to having a fresh cup of coffee...

I'm guessing I don't want to know exactly *what* you stuffed it full of, Traveler...

Am I right?

I'm right about that, huh?

/figured as much

~ENT

re: #76 EtNorskTroll

Even the Public Editor Can't Cover Up the Smell

Don't you have to be literate and un-biased to be a Journalistic Public Editor?

Last time I checked, you did.

This guy is just a hack.

Give me the good old days, when journalists had ethics...

~Norsk Troll

Ethics were invented by dead white men to keep the little people down.
/

re: #4 jcm

NYT hasn't had credibility since the Duranty stories covering Stalin's ass, that was 60 years ago.

While millions upon millions of people all over Eastern Europe were worked to death, tortured and shot when they couldn't perform slave labor anymore (my grandfather among them), Duranty was trying hard to bamboozle the American public about the happy life of the proletary under the leadership of the great heroic Stalin.

The ink in which NY Slimes is printed should be red, not black. Red like the blood of millions of innocents slaughtered while the leftists running it looked the other way. Same leftist are now participating in the murder of Iraqi and American troops at the hands of AlQuaeda by spreading lies, propaganda and slander against US and rooting for the Islamofascist enemies.

NY Slimes shameless anti-troops propaganda isn't free speech anymore. Free speech is protected by the constitution as long as nobody is hurt. This is hate speech. Hate speech should have legal consequences

Sulzberger = Shitburger

re: #49 Dianna

We did that as a base in our investment class in college. lol

re: #66 Mr. E. Train

re: #60 alexa kim

... Who stinking cares about the "The Kingdom" movie. Let it languish in the theatres. Spend your money on something other than overpriced popcorn and substandard movie quality.

Actually I went to an early screening of 'The Kingdom' last month. From a Lizard-anti Jihad point of view it was pretty good. I give it 4 out of 5 Lizards.

I'm happy you didn't feel gipped of your hard-earned money. But you just made a donation to Hillary Clinton's war chest.

I refuse to keep making that bunch of seditionists richer just because I-can't-give-up-going-to-the-movies. As soon as people outside of Hollywood start making movies that don't spit all over me, I'll be spending my money on those movies.

re: #79 jcm

re: #76 EtNorskTroll

Even the Public Editor Can't Cover Up the Smell

Don't you have to be literate and un-biased to be a Journalistic Public Editor?

Last time I checked, you did.

This guy is just a hack.

Give me the good old days, when journalists had ethics...

~Norsk Troll

Ethics were invented by dead white men to keep the little people down.
/

Yeah...!

heh.

~ENT

"Setting the standard in world-class journalism . . . "

By the way, how did anyone even find out that the New York Slimes gave Moveon a discount on their ads? Do we actually have Neo-Con intelligence spying for us behind the scenes? Is there really a Conservative at the NYT?

re: #51 Egfrow

I like Newt more all the time.

re: #63 Dianna

Dianna, I don`t have a link right now, but on another site a large photo was shown of the general with all his decorations labeled and the majority of them are commendation type awards (non-combat). The Bronze Star with V (for valor) can only be earned by combat service, and the higher the award,the higher it is worn in the placing on the uniform. I suspect they are trying to smear him precisely because it is a combat medal awarded for bravery rather than a "good-job" medal.

re: #81 Mich-again

Mich-Again last night you mentioned an aunt that was on the ship that picked up Titanic survivors, I looked for this site then to post it but couldn`t find it till today. Fascinating, it`s a repository of survivor`s accounts, and the non-Titanic stuff is pretty interesting too. By a real original thinker, maverick scientist Dr. Charles Pelegrino.

In Their Own Words, by Titanic Survivors

Since when is it the public editor's role to express an opinion about who is or is not a victim of misbehavior at the Times?

By the way, the last bit---about giving "fresh ammunition to a cottage industry that loves to bash The Times as a bastion of the `liberal media'”---reminds me more of Dick Nixon than of Hamas. The feloow is asking what we would do if we had no New York Times to kick around.

re: #18 RobCon

"The Times" thinks that its readership are morons who cannot read between while lapping their lattes. Let their stock continue to sink like a stone.

Um... I hate to say it but their remaining readers (except for media watchers) ARE morons who willingly do not read between the lines.

Partisanship has reached new heights of stupidity in this country... I just read through thousands of posts about The View on MSN and.. wow... just wow. Hundreds of people who say they can't stand to listen to "that whiney idiot Elizabeth Hasselbeck" vs. the hundreds still complaining about "loudmouthed loony Rosey O'Donnell"... Yet no one seems to have a problem with the format of the show... or envisioning a version where like-minded panelists sit there and agree with each other all morning long.

I dunno, but as long as the discourse is civil (i.e. Not an invecting screaming protester with a bullhorn) I honestly listen to both sides. I get the distinct impression that not too many of us still do.

re: #92 jackfetch
bah... meant "Invective-screaming"... not even sure if "Invecting" is a real word.

re: #62 jaybird

It isn't.

re: #77 kafir

Ronnie Van Zant is not happy with the change in lyrics.

I don't give a crap if they're liberal. What I care about is having to endure the 'we're really fair, this was actually an accident' spin. Jesus, just be honest about it.

They are only saying that because they are tired of people asking for the same break in price. They have no intention of giving Giuliani or some conservative organization a break. I heard a group wants to take out a full ad against Ahmadinejad. They wouldn't even tell them when they would run the ad nor promise that it would come out before the important dates in Ahmadinejad's trip.

re: #78 EtNorskTroll

Heee heee heee...that's right --- you and I both know what I'm talking about: mailouts from the Weekly Standard.

The New York Times: "Blah we're so brilliantly nuanced blah blah internal advertising acceptability manual [vomititious double speak!] blahdibby blah blah blah."

Translation: "We were just following orders from Moonbat Central."

I feel compelled to say it again:
"internal advertising acceptability manual"

How NY Timesy of them.

It's not just the MoveOn fragrance. It's the not so new perfume called "Soros"

I guess they figured people would not question anything the "respected" NYT has to say.

One of the wonderful things about a free society is to know that you're free to choose.

So, George Soros keeps making money bets.

You think this makes him a prince? Nope. Just a dope. Who has lots of money he's made fleecing other countries; when he bets currencies.

In a sense, here, the Saudi's got a competitor "across the street." A plague on both their houses.

And, I'm free to express this, too.

Soros reminds me of Leona Helmsley. A bitch. WHo didn't leave two of her grandchildren a dime. But she left $12-million to her dog. Put into her brother's care. SO he decided to let the dog live in her mansion. With the money from her estate covering this. And, he washed his hands of dog-responsibilities.

Then? Helmsley left instructions, that when her dog dies, it's to be buried beside her. And, she's out of luck. Can't mix human remains with animal remains. Can't even pluck her out of her vault, and bury her at an animal cemetery.

Yes. Helmsley emassed a fortune. But was very unpleasant to be around. And, she handled her death even worse than she handled her life. But her estate, over $12-billion dollars, isn't taxed.

According to the very rich, that's considered "very rich."

And, the Move.On idiots can waste all their money on Code Pinkos. See if I care.

Another place where I don't worry is with Ron Paul.

Never worried about Patrick Buchanan, either.

But we do have to plug up the holes that so far get filled with the tripe that goes to DC.

The Internet, though, has lots of time. And, way ahead there are gonna be changes wrought. How? Just by communicating. Keeping the fakers at bay.

Our Founding Fathers invented this system. And, it's managed not only to work well; but to expunge the insanity of slavery, in the bargain.

Parties? Andrew Jackson's democratic party has suffered losses, over time.

As this nation grew from having a few big cities, and lots of room to spread; into the Nifty Fifty.

While over this huge country, no matter what George Soros spends, he's more than welcome to the affirmative action crowd.

Just as Leona Helmsley is dead. You can't rework what gets remembered. But you can keep the future generations focussed on your rotten status as a human being. So, she was rich. Got any other claim to fame, there?

And it gave fresh ammunition to a cottage industry that loves to bash The Times as a bastion of the “liberal media.”

A "cottage industry" comprising a good percentage of the American population.

Slightly OT, but on NPR this morning, reporter Jon Greenberg was interviewing people about the war at a "Unitarian Universalist" church in Exeter, New Hampshire. Of course they were all against it, but then the reporter interviewed someone who "in contrast to the rhetoric of the war supporters" had a more "nuanced" view... she was willing to concede that she felt better about things having heard Gen. Petraeus' report. In fact several people were then interviewed who had "nuanced" views (the word was used repeatedly by the reporter and also by the host Lian Hansen.

Get that? Democrats have "nuanced" views. War supporters have "rhetoric". Thanks for that 4 minutes of insight, NPR.

Oh, and no war supporters were inteviewed in the making of this propaganda story.

re: #90 JHW

Thank you for that link.. Interesting.

re: #39 grayp

This reminds of the response of the student editors of the Colorado university newspaper who printed "F*uck Bush" writing that they were 'disheartened by the uninteded consequences".

Just how stupid do you have to be?

/don't answer that

"disheartened" indeed!
Imagine their chagrin of the unintended consequences if they had written F**K Mohammed.

Their heart would be laying on the ground next to their mutilitated body.

Steph Jespersen, the executive who approved the ad, said that, while it was “rough,” he regarded it as a comment on a public official’s management of his office and therefore acceptable speech for The Times to print

Does this mean that a general officer is considered a "public official"?

Interesting.