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Daily Kos: Ahmadinejad 'Sounds Entirely Too Reasonable'

Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 4:00:51 pm PDT

At the new mainstream voice of the Democratic Party, Daily Kos, diaries praising Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are pouring out of the Kidz: Daily Kos: Ahmadenijad [sic] @ Columbia: the Video.

No wonder those that are beating the war drums against Iran didn’t want Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to speak any place American might hear him. Thanks to Columbia University and CPAN he was heard by many.  He sounds entirely to reasonable. Hearing his own word doesn’t help the cause of demonizing him as a madman and the most recent Hitler. This is someone we definitely should be talking to. so in the interest of promoting peace and knowledge, I present these short excerpts from his talk at Columbia University today.

UPDATE at 9/24/07 5:14:08 pm:

Here’s another one: Daily Kos: Ahmadinejab in the US: What it says about us.

Why is it that we can’t host him in our country and allow him to be interviewed without having the press sounding even more like agents of the White House than Bush himself (see Sunday’s 60 minutes)? Why can’t our press and for that matter the President of Columbia, ask the hard questions that Iranian President Ahmadinejad needs to answer on his statements and most importantly on the actions of his government without spewing bile?

Ahmadinejab, like Bush, will be judged by the world on his words and actions.

It would have been preferable to demonstrate our free press and independent academia by properly hosting and interviewing him. Ask him the tough questions in a respectful manner and share the facts we have in the areas we are concerned about. He will present himself for what he is. Our citizens and those of the world could have made their own minds up as to which people had the better approach, system and leadership.

I have no doubt that some of his statements would have been seen for what they were: the statements of a politician with an extreme constituency back home. Who does that sound like on the world stage?

What are we afraid of and what are media reporters afraid of if they host a professional interview? All in all I ashamed at how we have comported ourselves and what we have shown ourselves to be.

UPDATE at 9/24/07 5:53:17 pm:

Here’s a diary that doesn’t support the mini-Hitler: Daily Kos: Ahmadinejad, Women and Gays.

With a grand total of 2 comments as of this writing.

This doesn’t seem to be a very popular view over there.

I have been reading with disbelief some of the diaries posted here that appear to be favorable to Ahmadinejad.

This is supposed to be a Democratic website.

So tell me, how does excusing a person who murders gays and represses women, fit in with Democrats?

I thought we were the ones who support women and gays.

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1 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:02:21pm
2 IrishEi  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:02:23pm

There are no words...

3 jcm  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:02:28pm

[deleted]

4 Angel  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:02:33pm

bangs head against wall..HARD

5 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:02:42pm

Tone dear, fer shur.

Later, Lizards.

6 storagemanager  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:03:21pm

KOS read this......

.President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad expounded on important international and regional issues in a speech given to academics at the prestigious University of Columbia in New York on Monday
The following is the full text og President's speech:
In the name of God, the compassionate, the merciful...
The president recites verses from the holy Koran in Arabic.

"Oh, God, hasten the arrival of Imam al-Mahdi and grant him good health and victory and make us his followers and those to attest to his rightfulness."
Distinguished Dean, dear professors and students, ladies and gentlemen, at the outset I would like to extend my greetings to all of you. I am grateful to the almighty God for providing me with the opportunity to be in an academic environment, those seeking truth and striving for the promotion of science and knowledge

He is asking his god...for the Mahdi....to lead Iran to glory....get a clue. [Link: www2.irna.com...]

7 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:03:27pm

re: #4 Angel

bangs head against wall..HARD

OUCH. Be careful. We need all the sane people that we can find.

Later, for real.

8 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:03:37pm
9 rokbassist  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:04:26pm

Yeah Hitler gave some pretty stirring speeches too.

/owns stock in aluminum foil

10 GreenDroll  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:05:13pm

They have to "present these short excerpts from his talk" because anything longer than a phrase sounds crazy.
I liked it when he said American students would be welcome in Iran. He didn't mention they would be flogged or hung for pursuing the activities they consider normal at Columbia.

11 DeliLama  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:05:30pm

DANGER, morons: Actions speak louder than words.

12 Airedale  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:05:38pm

?

From what I heard on the radio (NPR ) today, I'd say Columbia gave the Mad jacket the Auschwitz oven treatment and roasted him about the WW II stand.
( no disrespect indended on the roast comment )

13 Barking Pumpkin  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:05:57pm

"he sounds entirely to reasonable"

Along with critical thinking, it appears that grammar and spelling weren't taught at whatever educational institution this asshat went to.

All I can do is shake my head and sigh. Then I get very angry.

14 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:06:28pm

How long until Lil' Hitler get a profiles in courage award for daring to speak truth to power while Bush is called [insert name here] for not going to speak in Iran?

15 storagemanager  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:06:34pm

KOS he is telling you to embrace Islam ...

My dear friends, all the words and messages of the divine prophets from Abraham and Isaac and Jacob, to David and Solomon and Moses, to Jesus and Mohammad delivered humans from ignorance, negligence, superstitions, unethical behavior, and corrupted ways of thinking, with respect to knowledge, on the path to knowledge, light and rightful ethics.

Again...get a clue... he is not your buddy...he wants you dead.... [Link: www2.irna.com...]

16 Orbit Rain  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:06:34pm

I'm beating the drums for three days of shock and awe, and it wasn't bothering me he would speak...let open the words of the obfuscator and denier of reality to be heard...and then shot down...expose him for the man he is and the beliefs he holds for more to see what not to be...

...hey kosling, you aren't nuanced enough to understand what he said...

heh

17 Milk Toast Intolerant  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:07:54pm

This moonbat needs a clue by four upside the head. That's what you do to a stubborn donkey.

18 Stonewall  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:08:02pm

Reasonable?

Yeah righhhhhhhht! About as reasonable as the final solution!

To bad the left will never see it. We will wind up having to utterly destroy these people.

20 Ghengis Khan  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:08:40pm

"Bush Lied People Died"

But Ahmedinijad is the bastion of truth! How dare you demonize him!?

They need to watch some of those MEMRI videos

21 storagemanager  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:09:08pm

KOS....if he wins...where will you live?....if you live....

First, the wrongdoers reveal only a part of the reality, which is to their own benefit, and conceal the rest. As we have witnessed with respect to the scholars of the divine religions in the past, too, unfortunately, today, we see that certain researchers and scientists are still hiding the truth from the people.

Second, science, scientists, and scholars are misused for personal, group, or party interests. So, in today's world, bullying powers are misusing many scholars and scientists in different fields with the purpose of stripping nations of their wealth.


[Link: www2.irna.com...]

22 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:09:13pm
This is someone we definitely should be talking to. so in the interest of promoting peace and knowledge,

"All hail the new overlord!"

23 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:09:20pm

..............and this was the purpose of him speaking to begin with.
You can see it has been hugely successful.

I heard Carters ex-speech writer getting all angry at the way Ahhmadiiner jacket was introduced.

/That was "No-balls with Christine Mathews" for the uninformed.

But as far as free speech goes? The libs got it covered dude!

Early this summer, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign for president learned that the men’s magazine GQ was working on a story the campaign was sure to hate: an account of infighting in Hillaryland.

So Clinton’s aides pulled a page from the book of Hollywood publicists and offered GQ a stark choice: Kill the piece, or lose access to planned celebrity coverboy Bill Clinton.


[Link: www.politico.com...]

It appears they are going to vote Bill the Man of the Year.
However Ahmadinnerjacket could give him a run for his money.
How GQ was he at the speech? Loved the "going off duty bell-boy" look.

24 Racer X  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:09:29pm

I love it.

Those who speak nicely of dinnerjacket will be noticed - and not in a good way.

I wonder why hardly any Dem candidates are speaking out?

hmmmm......

25 6pat6  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:09:46pm

The Dhimmicrats and the rest of the KKKosKrew can't wait to be either enslaved, dominated, or be beheaded by islam.

They are practically orgasmic over this turd!

Hey, L3 Lunatics, remember October 1979! Remember that this asshole Mahmoud was one of the ringleaders in that declaration of WAR on the United States, and that your pal Jimmah Cartuh was too big of a pussy of a president at the time to do shit. Notice that the Iranian regime was so deathly afraid of Ronald Reagan, that the announcement of the hostage release came after Carter was officially out of office and Reagan was sworn in? They knew Reagan was a man of his word, and Carter was a loser.

Mahmoud is not a man to look up to, in any way, in any form!

26 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:09:53pm

Be it a sadistic serial killer who likes to torture his victims for hours before killing them, he would still sound reasonable to the Koslings, as long as he hates Bush.

27 J.S.  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:10:17pm

CNN is now characterizing Bush as a desperate war-monger who wants to appear (for "legacy" reasons only -- that's for appearance sake) as a peacemaker, and dinner jacket (who wants nukes to wipe Israel off the map) as the "true" "peace maker." That's CNN, and/or Kos Kidz Kross fertilization. Thanks Bollinger!

Stop Funding Columbia U now.

28 St. Pancake  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:10:24pm

Can we help this poster with some basic English grammar and punctuation?

Gee.....

29 Terryg999  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:10:35pm

WOW!

The lunacy of the left NEVER stops amazing me.

30 rappmandu  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:10:41pm

Thanks, Kos Kidz! You are to much the experts on being to entirely sounding reasonable. Glad I don't have too think about these things for myownself.

/Where would I be without y'all?

31 Ojoe  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:11:22pm

re: #24 Racer X


Silence means approval.

32 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:11:31pm

What was that line about no gays in Iran?

33 hans ze beeman  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:12:19pm
Hearing his own word doesn’t help the cause of demonizing him as a madman and the most recent Hitler.

Now imagine such people being in charge of the US military.

34 J.S.  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:12:19pm

Another thing -- CNN panned the camera over the audience as dinner jacket was elaborating on his Holocaust denial views -- everyone -- that's everyone in the audience was applauding -- I did not see a single person NOT applauding. They were all smiles and happy and enthusiastic.

35 storagemanager  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:12:35pm

Hey KOS.....

Regretfully, they have not been trained to serve mankind.


Because they are not Muslim....only Muslims are human...you KOS kiddies and myself...are kafir...unclean beast to be sold or killed.
[Link: www2.irna.com...]

36 Ghengis Khan  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:13:03pm

#26

That actually makes me wonder, if we stuck to all our ideologies but just said that we hated Bush, would the Kossocks become conservatives? I think GW would forgive me if that was the result.

37 Ojoe  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:13:20pm

re: #34 J.S.

On that note I had the image of the gas filtering in.

38 LeftJustAintRight  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:13:25pm

Lets hope for plane trouble over the Atlantic

39 bikermailman  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:13:59pm

Daily Kos: Ahmadinejad Hitler 'Sounds Entirely Too Reasonable'
Same durned thing for these morons.

40 GreenDroll  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:14:20pm

I wonder if anyone at Columbia knows anything about (or would care about) the genocide of the Armenian Christians by the Muslim Turks during WWI. Since only a million or two were killed (the Turks not as determined or efficient as the Germans) and the killings were primarily religiously motivated (Muslims killing infidel Christians), the MSM in the west does a good job of keeping people ignorant of this event. Not having gas chambers or death camps, the Turks took train loads of people on one-way trips into the desert. The Turks thought this was all perfectly normal and the looting of Armenian homes was a national sport. This is precisely what we all have to look forward to under a caliphate.

41 stevieray  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:14:34pm

Duh! Duuuuhhhh!

Tuning your message to the ears of your audience is as old as politics... what did the moonbats expect, he'd prance and bellow "Death to America!" on stage at Columbia?

Simpletons.

42 debutaunt  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:14:59pm

Well, it appears that he couldn't keep a straight face when the saner folks in the crowd started to laugh at him. re: #32 JammieWearingFool

43 jayzee  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:15:04pm

The new left. Beautiful.

You know, it almost makes me want to pray for Sharia law in this country and for an alliance with Iran (chas v'shalom). Knowing they'd get whacked before me gives me comfort. It is the only way they will ever have to come to terms with the fact they are blithering morons and are so frigging wrong!

44 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:15:46pm

Ahmadinejad and the Kos quislings strike me as the kind of people who- if the final death toll from the Holocaust could be definitively pegged at 5,999,998- they would say "See! I told you that 6 million dead figure was exaggerated".

They deserve each other....just admire him from the comfort of Tehran or Tabriz if he's so sensible and reasonable, Koslings.

45 Power Armored Lizardoid  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:15:50pm
How come they take Ahmedinejad's utterances at face value, but not those of Republicans?

Buzz...It's in the Bible. Stan's house is not divided against itself. Evil applauds evil....

46 deacon  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:16:13pm

Another fine example of the importance of teaching history in schools. Unfortunately, these poor souls have not listened to Hitler per 1939 when he was hailed as a "reasonable person, and someone we needed to talk to"

47 Jhob  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:16:49pm

This is exactly the reason Ahmadinejad should not have been allowed to speak a Columbia! These idiots will look at any and all exposure and twist it to their advantage. Much of the rest of the world will most likely be influenced by this, Columbia should be ashamed!

48 cbinflux  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:16:59pm

Who's up next at Columbia; Charles Manson?

49 debutaunt  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:17:00pm

A student at Columbia said that the evil coming off him was palpable. Wow.

50 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:17:02pm

To anyone hoping for a "velvet revolution" in Iran -

The left in the US is unwittingly doing all of the heavy lifting needed by the mullahs to prevent such from happening.

By using their rhetorical analysis combined with pre-pubescent yearning for wishes to come true, the "netroots" are sucking the life out of any hope that the average Iranian might have had for Americans to somehow covertly aid them in throwing off their 7th century overloards.

Instead, they are learning that the west thinks cultural oppression is essential to cultural identity and is thereby "chic".

For Shia, this is a replay of an old movie when the US sent signals to Shia in Iraq that we'd welcome an uprising against Saddam, they took to the streets and were subsequently crushed there by Saddam's tanks (they couldn't spare bullets, so they just crushed those that they captured and tied down).

We are paying for that today in the distrust that Iraqi shia have for us in Iraq.

The Iranians won't stick their necks out just to have them hacked off. And "progressives" who claim to like to "shine lights" on things will be no where around, just as they are no where around when the genocide in Darfur is brought up.

Iranians will have gotten the message from Iranian media out of this trip - the Americans won't be coming to save you.

51 Ojoe  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:17:31pm

re: #46 deacon

"This piece of paper bears his signature (Hitler's) as well as mine."

— Neville Chaimberlain

52 Render  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:17:36pm

[Link: www.globalsecurity.org...]

“The Basij Resistance Force appeared to be undergoing something of a revival under the administration of President Mahmud Ahmadinejad. This could be connected with the organization's alleged role in securing votes for Ahmadinejad during the presidential campaign and on election day. Ahmadinejad appointed Hojatoleslam Heidar Moslehi, the supreme leader's representative to the Basij, as an adviser in mid-August 2005. But the revival -- along with changes in the paramilitary organization's senior leadership -- could also be connected with preparations for possible civil unrest. In late September 2005, the Basij staged a series of urban defense exercises across the country. General Mirahmadi, the first deputy commander of the Basij, announced in Tehran that the creation of 2,000 Ashura battalions within the Basij will enhance Iran's defensive capabilities. Ashura units have riot-control responsibilities.”

[Link: www.tnr.com...]

“During the Iran-Iraq War, the Ayatollah Khomeini imported 500,000 small plastic keys from Taiwan. The trinkets were meant to be inspirational. After Iraq invaded in September 1980, it had quickly become clear that Iran's forces were no match for Saddam Hussein's professional, well-armed military. To compensate for their disadvantage, Khomeini sent Iranian children, some as young as twelve years old, to the front lines. There, they marched in formation across minefields toward the enemy, clearing a path with their bodies. Before every mission, one of the Taiwanese keys would be hung around each child's neck. It was supposed to open the gates to paradise for them.

At one point, however, the earthly gore became a matter of concern. "In the past," wrote the semi-official Iranian daily Ettelaat as the war raged on, "we had child-volunteers: 14-, 15-, and 16-year-olds. They went into the minefields. Their eyes saw nothing. Their ears heard nothing. And then, a few moments later, one saw clouds of dust. When the dust had settled again, there was nothing more to be seen of them. Somewhere, widely scattered in the landscape, there lay scraps of burnt flesh and pieces of bone." Such scenes would henceforth be avoided, Ettelaat assured its readers. "Before entering the minefields, the children [now] wrap themselves in blankets and they roll on the ground, so that their body parts stay together after the explosion of the mines and one can carry them to the graves."

[Link: www.jewishmag.com...]

“During the war Ahmadinejad served as one of the Basiji instructors who trained children. He came to power as the candidate of the Basiji.”

[Link: www.strategypage.com...]

KNOW
THINE
ENEMY,
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53 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:17:59pm
Hearing his own word doesn’t help the cause of demonizing him as a madman and the most recent Hitler

Yeah.... Because politicians never lie. They always tell the truth.

/Unless they are Republicans.

54 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:18:11pm

Wow - the new mainstream voice of the Democratic Part
is thick.

That's why Ahmadinejad came here-- To put on a false face--- to hide his thuggish ways and play nice in front of an american audience.

How dense are they?


I suppose KOS KIDZ like to be sweet-talked by phonies.

55 jbolty  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:18:53pm

And OJ said he didn't do it. That settles that.

56 Ojoe  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:19:11pm

re: #50 karmic_inquisitor

Every applause for Ahmadinejad sent a discouragement to those who would oppose him in his own country.

57 storagemanager  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:21:19pm

re: #54 FrogMarch

Wow - the new mainstream voice of the Democratic Part
is thick.

That's why Ahmadinejad came here-- To put on a false face--- to hide his thuggish ways and play nice in front of an american audience.

How dense are they?


I suppose KOS KIDZ like to be sweet-talked by phonies.

He came for the same reason he sent President Bush a letter...to ask us to embrace Islam...before the terror attacks start.

58 Ojoe  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:21:41pm

re: #52 Render

This evil cannot but have an end.

59 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:22:02pm

Hitler sounded reasonable to a lot of people.

60 Power Armored Lizardoid  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:22:09pm
A student at Columbia said that the evil coming off him was palpable.

Not surprised. The creature using Ahmanukejihad as a puppet has a forked tongue and hooves....

Every picture I see of that guy gives me the willies...In his eyes I see pure evil...

61 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:22:22pm
62 Lauraf  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:22:23pm

re: #20 Ghengis Khan

"Bush Lied People Died"

But Ahmedinijad is the bastion of truth! How dare you demonize him!?

They need to watch some of those MEMRI videos

But hey, MEMRI is "biased" (i.e., Israeli), dontcha know?

63 looking closely  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:22:50pm

Hitler vs. Ahmedinejad comparison:

a. "Comes in peace". . .("The new Germany desires work and peace") check.
b. Denies Holocaust. . .check.
c. Building up secret illegal arms stash. . .check.
d. Espouses genocidal intent. . .("Israel will be wiped off the map") check.

64 mbruce  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:23:05pm

I cannot keep p with the comments but my take of the little poops
Petraus ( honorable defender of freedom) = liar before he opens his mouth
Iranian Dictator ( wants to kill or enslave the whole world) = reasonable man.

They believe the likes of Hillary and Pelosi, what did I expect.

65 nemo  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:23:48pm

OK OK point proven ... many many KOS Kidz are * really * dumb wastes of space, food and skin.

Why he mentioned puppies. He must be a nice guy then. Pish posh to all the purported Jew hating and 'death to America' rhetoric.

66 MeTooThen  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:24:57pm

Yes, the Crescent-Red-Green-Brown-Pink alliance is all but complete and fully operational.

Already there are calls for the destruction of Israel or at the very minimum its overthrow, the calling of Jews "parasites" ala the 1930's, and the calls to expose and destroy the "Jewish Bankers". or "Jewish Media," or the "Neo-con cabal."

It will be interesting to see what will happen when the Islamists turn on the homosexuals, women, artists, writers, musicians, trade unionists, Christians, and secular humanists in Europe and America as they have in the Middle East and the Pacific.

Cognitive Dissonance writ large.

Or something.

Just sayin'.

67 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:25:09pm
68 mollyshark  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:25:13pm

This is too much like 1930s Germany. Just waaay too much. Either blind or will not see.

69 looking closely  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:25:19pm

re: #32 JammieWearingFool

What was that line about no gays in Iran?

Not actually IN Iran. . .

70 stevieray  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:27:33pm

re: #64 mbruce

I cannot keep p with the comments but my take of the little poops
Petraus ( honorable defender of freedom) = liar before he opens his mouth
Iranian Dictator ( wants to kill or enslave the whole world) = reasonable man.

They believe the likes of Hillary and Pelosi, what did I expect.

Excellent points.

71 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:29:15pm

Here is a reasonable-sounding person according to the Kos Kids:

"I'll kill you! I'll kill you and your family! Then I'll desecrate their bodies and kill all the bystanders! Oh, and I hate Bush!"

72 Lauraf  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:30:48pm

re: #68 mollyshark

This is too much like 1930s Germany. Just waaay too much. Either blind or will not see.

I'll drink to that... Just when I think things can't get worse, well, they just keep getting worse. Da*n depressing.

73 Jimmy The Clam  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:32:47pm

The love Chavez and think that the "dinner jacket" is reasonable.
What's it going to take to knock some sense into these dopes?
Damn these idiots really piss me off, if only because they will get many innocents killed.

74 scottthecanuck  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:33:10pm

I think they find him reasonable because his talking points are so similar to their own.

75 storagemanager  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:34:19pm

re: #63 looking closely

Hitler vs. Ahmedinejad comparison:

a. "Comes in peace". . .("The new Germany desires work and peace") check.
b. Denies Holocaust. . .check.
c. Building up secret illegal arms stash. . .check.
d. Espouses genocidal intent. . .("Israel will be wiped off the map") check.

He wants to do what Hitler did....in one hour.

76 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:35:11pm

"promoting peace and knowledge"

Try ignorance and submission. Ask any gay dude in Tehran.

/Pompous gasbags call themselves "progressive".

77 U.S. 395  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:35:18pm

I have changed my mind that it was wrong for Ahmadinejad to speak at Columbia.

It actually exposed him totally. It showed how he refused to answer almost any question directed at him, and the ones he did, he lied about. Case in point, "will you destroy Israel?"

Forget the audience reaction. Concentrate on the fact that he responded to the Columbia President (Chancellor?)'s opening statement of facts by saying that it was rude and insulting to treat a guest thusly.

Then he went on and on about how he was an academician and about scientific study and fact-checking the Holocaust. If he was into fact-checking, instead of calling the introduction "rude," why didn't he dispute it?

He just hanged himself with his own words.

The (UNEDITED, hopefully!) transcript is the clearest picture yet of what we're dealing with.

I actually think Columbia just did everyone a great service. That transcript can be used from here on out to destroy Ahmadinejad and his gang of thugs.

78 macofromoc  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:35:33pm

Amazing how lefties love their Theocrats

79 hithere  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:36:54pm

Today offered a rare glimpse of the external enemy and the internal enemy in the war on terror at a single venue. The DailyKos draws attention to the latter. Neither Ahmadinejad not the pacifist left can be trusted.

80 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:36:56pm

This Victor Hanson column seems appropriate to link.

The 1930s, Again

81 storagemanager  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:38:20pm

re: #77 U.S. 395

I have changed my mind that it was wrong for Ahmadinejad to speak at Columbia.

It actually exposed him totally. It showed how he refused to answer almost any question directed at him, and the ones he did, he lied about. Case in point, "will you destroy Israel?"

Forget the audience reaction. Concentrate on the fact that he responded to the Columbia President (Chancellor?)'s opening statement of facts by saying that it was rude and insulting to treat a guest thusly.

Then he went on and on about how he was an academician and about scientific study and fact-checking the Holocaust. If he was into fact-checking, instead of calling the introduction "rude," why didn't he dispute it?

He just hanged himself with his own words.

The (UNEDITED, hopefully!) transcript is the clearest picture yet of what we're dealing with.

I actually think Columbia just did everyone a great service. That transcript can be used from here on out to destroy Ahmadinejad and his gang of thugs.

In Iran they are only the good parts...he may unite Iran now...and become a hero....out of the mouth of John Bolton..fox tv.

82 insanity police  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:39:52pm

He sound reasonable to a crazy person.

83 Edouard  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:40:17pm

These words quoted by Charles completely indict themselves. We have no defense of this country whatsoever if anyone like this Kos idiot ever gets true political power in America.

This Kos idiot and others like him are obviously hearing only what they want to hear, and as a result are all too willing to smilingly swing the door wide open to their would-be murderer, the biggest Trojan Horse to set foot on our soil in my memory.

/the biggest spit I can muster

84 U.S. 395  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:40:56pm

And on the "there are no homosexuals in Iran" thing? I have already seen people put sophisticated interpretations on why the students laughed.

There is no sophistication involved. The students are taught that the Palestinians are right and that homosexuality is natural (note, I'm not trying to open that debate).

They laughed simply because when they heard that, they were thinking, as any conservative or liberal would have thought, "This guy's so full of s***!"

More than any other line of Ahmadnijed's, the one about the gays will do the most to undercut his credibility among the moonbats.

85 Ziggy  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:42:18pm

HOW CAN HE SOUND REASONABLE? HE DIDN'T ANSWER ANY OF THE FU@*ING QUESTIONS. (All caps because I'm yelling due to the INSANITY that abounds)

86 Greensoccer  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:42:23pm

If Kos kids had any interest in 'truth" they would go to Memri or Youtube and see what eh says when he is speaking Persian. It is different than when he is talking to an American audience.

87 U.S. 395  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:43:42pm

re: #81 storagemanager

Yes, a point to debate. Well, they can edit it how they want; I think the Iranians know that coverage of His Eminence is heavily edited. I'm not as worried about that as some people. I'm sure that many Iranians wonder what was cut out, as certainly nothing that casts His Eminence in a bad light is permitted on Iran state TV.

88 alexa kim  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:45:35pm

Charles, you're too nice to correct their English in the post-head. And of course KosKinderKare think he's cool. They're listening selectively.

89 U.S. 395  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:45:50pm

re: #85 Ziggy

HOW CAN HE SOUND REASONABLE? HE DIDN'T ANSWER ANY OF THE FU@*ING QUESTIONS. (All caps because I'm yelling due to the INSANITY that abounds)

Yeah, he didn't did he?

It was comical. Oh yeah, he DID answer the one about homosexuals.

I'm tellin' ya, everything else he said is open to twisting by moonbats, but that one's bulletproof. Shot himself in the foot real good right there.

90 storagemanager  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:45:56pm

re: #87 U.S. 395

re: #81 storagemanager

Yes, a point to debate. Well, they can edit it how they want; I think the Iranians know that coverage of His Eminence is heavily edited. I'm not as worried about that as some people. I'm sure that many Iranians wonder what was cut out, as certainly nothing that casts His Eminence in a bad light is permitted on Iran state TV.


But he ain't done yet....still a fews days to go...before he goes home.

91 scottthecanuck  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:46:00pm

Pop quiz

What was the worst media event of the day?

A strong contender has to be Wolf Blitzer's bizarre interview with Donald Trump. Seems the walking "Comb-Over" feels we need a deal with Iran and just can't stop admiring Hugo Chavez.

After listening him talk about Rice, Bush, Dinnerjacket, Giuliani, Chavez and all he sees these people as no more than contestants on his cancelled apprentice series.

I can't honestly reccomend anyone watch it even for the car wreck effect.

92 storagemanager  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:48:58pm

I trust my President...I'll just sit back and watch.

93 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:49:22pm
Thanks to Columbia University and CPAN he was heard by many. He sounds entirely to reasonable. Hearing his own word doesn’t help the cause of demonizing him as a madman and the most recent Hitler.

I wonder if this tool realizes that was Mahmoud's exact purpose for coming? At home, the mullahs are under fire, the economy is in the tank, and Mahmoud's viewpoint is untenable in many parts of the world. They realize we are 300 miles from blowing the doors off the bomb factory and have the means to do so.

But Mahmoud came looking for a sympathetic ear to legitimize his position in front of the masses of dumb asses that frequent KKKos, PuffHO, DU, and every lib campus in America. It's the only way he survives and apparently, he solidified a few converts with his trip.

94 debutaunt  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:49:35pm

The comparison to Hitler in the 1930's always reminds me of the Japanese in the 1930's. The Japanese had a similar suicidal default that the Islamists have shown us so vividly.

95 scottthecanuck  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:52:14pm

re: #48 cbinflux

Who's up next at Columbia; Charles Manson?

He hasn't been vetted by the Kosasses yet but they're working on it.

96 storagemanager  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:52:33pm

re: #93 goodbye_natalie
Half the speach was about the Mahdi and Islam....he came to say embrace Islam...he is not scared of America...his record proves that....a very big war is coming...it is as clear as day.

97 storagemanager  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:54:35pm

re: #94 debutaunt

The comparison to Hitler in the 1930's always reminds me of the Japanese in the 1930's. The Japanese had a similar suicidal default that the Islamists have shown us so vividly.


And they made an ally of Nazi Germany....Iran,North Korea,Syria and Hugo...with nods and smiles from Russia and China....many will die....it will be a big war.

98 scottthecanuck  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:56:45pm

re: #93 goodbye_natalie


I agree, the invitation and appearance of reasonableness to the left makes it very difficult for Bush to launch a strike, and impossible for a future democratic administration.

99 Seattle Rep  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:57:15pm

re: #46 deacon

Another fine example of the importance of teaching history in schools. Unfortunately, these poor souls have not listened to Hitler per 1939 when he was hailed as a "reasonable person, and someone we needed to talk to"

Yep, the old Chamberlainian approach, Peace For Our Time. But there can be no dialogue with guys like Dinner Jacket. Well, no sane dialogue that is.

100 MattMacD  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:57:56pm

re: #94 debutaunt

The comparison to Hitler in the 1930's always reminds me of the Japanese in the 1930's. The Japanese had a similar suicidal default that the Islamists have shown us so vividly.

Even despite that, they were more civilised though, Islam takes away all civility from a culture.

101 christheprofessor  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:59:35pm

Not surprising that to the intellectually-challenged kossacks, DinnerJacket's borderline incoherent babbling sounds 'Sounds Entirely Too Reasonable'...

102 U.S. 395  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 4:59:39pm

re: #96 storagemanager

Yes, that odd bifurcation in his speech was spooky.
Like schizophrenia. The Mahdi stuff. Wonder if he was seeing the glow again. Yes, I'm sure that was for domestic consumption for the crazies in Iran, but it shows what we're up against - a country with terminal schizophrenia. And if things keep going the way they are, they'd better sever the corpus collosum post haste, or the one half of the brain is going to get the other half in deep doo doo, courtesy of Uncle Sam.

103 gtiness  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 5:00:23pm

Entirely too reasonable?

Nevermind that bit about hastening the return of the 12th imam to bring about the end of the world...so we can all be happy muslims.

Somehow, I suspect, they overlooked that part.

104 RadicalRon  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 5:01:32pm
This is someone we definitely should be talking to.

That's what Ted Kennedy's daddy said about the Austrian corporal.

105 Conserve Liberty  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 5:02:00pm

re: #93 goodbye_natalie

Thanks to Columbia University and CPAN he was heard by many. He sounds entirely to reasonable. Hearing his own word doesn’t help the cause of demonizing him as a madman and the most recent Hitler.

I wonder if this tool realizes that was Mahmoud's exact purpose for coming. . .?

And Columbia's (the LLL's) precise purpose for inviting him.

106 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 5:02:11pm
107 Canadian Guy  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 5:04:34pm

How long before Kos introduces a ban on "I Support Dinnerjacket" diaries.

108 Live4Truth  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 5:05:21pm

re: #46 deacon

Another fine example of the importance of teaching history in schools. Unfortunately, these poor souls have not listened to Hitler per 1939 when he was hailed as a "reasonable person, and someone we needed to talk to"

Exactly what I was thinking.

I wonder if there's something inherent in being a liberal, that can't recognize evil (and therefore, also can't recognize good).

109 TalkinKamel  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 5:06:14pm

#107 Canadian Guy

I don't thinkn KOS is going to ban pro-Ahmadenijad diaries.

I think the Left is getting ready to take things to the next level.

110 markie  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 5:08:41pm

The fawning hordes should also remember what Dinnerjacket and Hitler also know- its a good thing for rulers that most people do not think.

Any reasonably intelligent person's B.S. o' meter would be pegging itself.

111 hayseed  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 5:15:48pm

why do we keep banging on those kos kids...we know they don't think right!

112 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 5:19:36pm
113 Elydo  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 5:22:58pm

You know why he sounded so reasonable, you dumb moonbat tool? Because he watches CNN! All you need to know about how to appeal to American leftists in convenient bullet-point headlines. Just pick five.

These guys don't get the similarity of Ahmadinejad talking about Hurricane Katrina and Bin Laden mentioning global warming. They don't care about these things, all they know people in the west do. And that criticism is leveled at our leaders because some section of the populace is unhappy with whatever is being done about such issues, irrespective of what is being done. It's a blatant and publicised wedge these people can drive between swathes of our populations who are already distancing from each other. Hey, Koslings, you were right when you said

too reasonable

, it's jsut a shame none of you will actually take those words literally.

As for Iran welcoming American students, I'll bet. What wasn't mentioned is how much Iran will charge to let them go again...

114 Elydo  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 5:23:52pm

Huh, that quote tool didn't work how I though. Apologies for the weird looking post.

115 jopa416  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 5:24:38pm

I am 100% sure that some posters on the Daily KOS are Iranian leaders.

Let's be serious here.

116 Pdogg  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 5:26:18pm

This just in: Kos Kid Klueless:

Yes it is unfortunate that women in Iran can't
wear what they want. They go out in pulic without wearing a burka, so they get beaten or arrested.

The unbelievable reply from another Kos Kid...

That is just not true.
117 bald headed geek  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 5:36:50pm

Why, why, why, why, WHY is ANYONE surprised that the Kos Krowd would do anything other than defend Ahmadinejad? He hates the United States, Israel and President Bush (not necessarily in that order). That's all they need to know in order to justify what he has to say.

BHG

118 Mezzetino  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 5:42:53pm

New York, Monday, September 24, 2007 1937

Why is it that we can’t host him in our country and allow him to be interviewed without having the press sounding even more like agents of the White House than Bush Roosevelt himself (see Sunday’s 60 minutes radio broadcast)? Why can’t our press and for that matter the President of Columbia, ask the hard questions that Iranian President Ahmadinejad German Chancellor Adolf Hitler needs to answer on his statements and most importantly on the actions of his government without spewing bile?

AhmadinejabHitler, like BushRoosevelt, will be judged by the world on his words and actions.

It would have been preferable to demonstrate our free press and independent academia by properly hosting and interviewing him. Ask him the tough questions in a respectful manner and share the facts we have in the areas we are concerned about. He will present himself for what he is. Our citizens and those of the world could have made their own minds up as to which people had the better approach, system and leadership.

I have no doubt that some of his statements would have been seen for what they were: the statements of a politician with an extreme constituency back home. Who does that sound like on the world stage?

What are we afraid of and what are media reporters afraid of if they host a professional interview? All in all I ashamed at how we have comported ourselves and what we have shown ourselves to be.

/How does it read now?

119 southernborn  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 5:46:31pm

GAWWWWWWWDAMMMMMM HOW DUMB CAN THESE PEOPLE BE?

120 southernborn  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 5:51:07pm

re: #92 storagemanager

You should read a post that Carol Herman made. She said the same thing in another way. I wonder what we just don't know that GWB does know. I to, have a feeling we will know soon.

121 mean Gene  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 6:00:45pm

There is no reason to listen to folks so woefully ignorant of life in Iran.
I cannot believe so many Kos Kids are so oblivious to the treatment of females, gays and college students as these Kids are.

122 Ziggy  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 6:01:01pm

re: #89 U.S. 395

re: #85 Ziggy


HOW CAN HE SOUND REASONABLE? HE DIDN'T ANSWER ANY OF THE FU@*ING QUESTIONS. (All caps because I'm yelling due to the INSANITY that abounds)

Yeah, he didn't did he?

It was comical. Oh yeah, he DID answer the one about homosexuals.

I'm tellin' ya, everything else he said is open to twisting by moonbats, but that one's bulletproof. Shot himself in the foot real good right there.


thanks, I was beggining to think it was just me.

123 Elydo  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 6:02:09pm

re: #40 GreenDroll

Link to an article about the Armenian Holocaust. Daily Mail, but still. I was sickened, more by the fact I hadn't HEARD of this before than by what went on. Which is saying something.

re: #94 debutaunt

The japanese were (unfortunately?) better at it though. And, I don't know... I'm guessing many of you guys as Americans will dispute what I'm about to say, but the Japanese kamikazes were just more.. honourable... about their suicides. Read some of the letters they wrote before they left and they're very touching, and in some ways inspiring. They saw what they were doing as standing between their home, their loved ones, and aggression and dishonour. They clipped their nails before heading out on missions and put the clippings in little cups to be sent back to Japan, because those were the only remains that could be given a proper burial. Their dedication and selflessness for what they saw as the greater good is humbling in a way, despite how they put those sentiments into reality.

Of course, by the end of the War in the Pacific, both sides were convinced the other was merciless and evil, unwilling to give or receive quarter, so what was the point in surrendering? Especially for the Japanese, who already had a culture of death before dishonour. Not to offend Americans again, but once the word spread that American GI's often simply executed captured/wounded Japanese, the idea of surrendering was somewhat of a moot point. Both sides became so desensitised to horror that such 'gentlemanly' conduct was unimaginable, to the point of women throwing their children off cliffs to prevent their capture by American invasion forces.

We can't forget the realities of the warfare, but looking at both sides, and in particular the people of both sides, allows for a full understanding. Similarities between Imperial Japanese and Jihadis do exist, but only in general terms. And one key point here: Kamikazes still only targeted soldiers/sailors.

124 Merovign  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 6:05:22pm

I keep saying "The left have come completely unhinged," and they keep finding more hinges.

125 gman  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 6:07:08pm

I'm scratching my bald head over this one. Even when Ahmadinejad says "there are no homosexuals" in Iran, you don't hear a peep out of the lefties. They have made their hatred of anything "Bush" creep into their logic circuits unitl zzzzzzzhhzzzzzzzzzhhzzzzzzz! Circuits fried. Lights Out.

How many Kos Kids does it take to screw in a light bulb?

5 to figure out which capitalist entity created the confounded contraption
5 to call Halliburton and tell them to send the light into their bulb through the secret light tunnels that have been covertly placed in all homes in the US (isn't that how bulbs work?)
10 to figure out how Bush was involved in the conspiracy to make the bulb go out in the first place
10 to figure out which bulb is the most eco- friendly
100 to guard the perimeter of the building while the light bulb is screwed in in order to protect them from the scary, powerful, Blackwater Security agents
1 to ask a friendly lizardoid to screw it in for them

126 mama winger  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 6:09:51pm

No one but Glenn Beck is highlighting this:

"Oh, God, hasten the arrival of Imam al-Mahdi and grant him good health and victory and make us his followers and those to attest to his rightfulness."

This is how he opened his remarks. Calling for the anti-Christ. And people clapped.

Pay attention.

127 mama winger  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 6:11:11pm

This is a call for muslim control of the world. Christians and Jews who refuse to worship at the feet of the 12th imam will be killed.

128 Paul  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 6:17:05pm
Ask him the tough questions in a respectful manner....

This is a courtesy the Kosites and the moonbats would never
extend to anyone in the Bush administration, General Petraeus or any conservative speaker.

But why do so many Kosites admire Ahmadneijad? Because lefties admire strong men, men who run rough-shod and crush the opposition---it's something they would do if the achieved power. So they admire men like Lenin, Stalin, Mao Zedong, Castro, Chavez, Ahmadinejad and Mugabe.

129 spynverzyon  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 6:21:48pm

re: #46 deacon

Another fine example of the importance of teaching history in schools. Unfortunately, these poor souls have not listened to Hitler per 1939 when he was hailed as a "reasonable person, and someone we needed to talk to"

Indeed, those complaining about the media "mistreatment" of of the "reasonable sounding" A-jad are playing much the same role as the one played by Neville Henderson, Chamberlain's ambassador to Germany, in 1938. In a letter written in his own hand on Sept. 6, 1938, Henderson complained that Fleet Street was "abusing" Hitler and instead should "write up Hitler as the apostle of Peace" in order to "give him a chance to be a good boy."

"Cannot the News Dept. help?" he asked.

And now the Kos Kids have answered that call.

130 ubercheesehead  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 6:29:04pm

I suppose this is utterly banal in the context of this discussion, but the headliner moonbat doesn't even have a grasp of the English language, let alone the ability to make any sense whatsoever. Then again, as a fellow lizard pointed out last night, the moonbats' loathing of America, Christianity and Western civilization extents to contempt for the lingua franca of our country.

131 Jim C.  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 6:36:12pm

Kos diarist wrote:

I thought we were the ones who support women and gays.

Yes, think about that. Think hard. If your brain doesn't explode, you may come to some important conclusions.

132 avspatti  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 6:40:13pm

Exactly what I was thinking.

I wonder if there's something inherent in being a liberal, that can't recognize evil (and therefore, also can't recognize good).

Liberals don't believe in evil. They truly do think that anyone who deserves that description has had a disfunctional family, dreadful childhood etc. If only these negative circumstances could be ameliorated, things would be A-OK. "It's not really their fault." doncha know. Pathetic.

133 hyper  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 7:10:13pm

Ted Bundy had some killer pick-up lines, too.

134 livefreeor die  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 7:23:58pm

re: #116 Pdogg

This just in: Kos Kid Klueless:


Yes it is unfortunate that women in Iran can't
wear what they want. They go out in pulic without wearing a burka, so they get beaten or arrested.

The unbelievable reply from another Kos Kid...


That is just not true.

And they know it's not true...how? I don't think they've left their parents' basements for six years let alone been to Iran. And God forbid they should actually read books by people who-gasp!-live in Iran.

135 straitcircle  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 7:41:21pm

"First of all I think that many of the pro-Ahmadinejad posts are coming from trolls. " Great excuse.

ref. Ahmadinejad, Women and Gays -- Kos

136 ArmyAunt  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 8:31:26pm

You guys should go over and rec up the diary:
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
; )

137 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 9:20:00pm
I have been reading with disbelief some of the diaries posted here that appear to be favorable to Ahmadinejad.

This is supposed to be a Democratic website.

So tell me, how does excusing a person who murders gays and represses women, fit in with Democrats?

I thought we were the ones who support women and gays.

Bush hatred trumps all.

138 thabo  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 9:29:11pm

hey kos kid

if you believe what you just heard then please call me, I have a prime piece of real estate to sell you... disused salt mine which can be turned into an upmarket retirement village...

139 SunCat  Mon, Sep 24, 2007 10:55:39pm
So tell me, how does excusing a person who murders gays and represses women, fit in with Democrats?


I thought we were the ones who support women and gays.


I once thought this. Then I discovered that the left only cares about gays if they are in the US, not in Cuba or Iran or Egypt. The left will attack any woman who asks too many questions. etc. etc. The left loves women and gays as much as Stalin loved the workers.

140 opnion  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 6:58:28am

Clearly wasteing sympathy on the wrong person.
Evil does exist & visited Columbia. He keptanswering a questionwith a question.
I thought the way to go would have been for a moderator to say
"I have eight yes or no questions. We will open the questions up to the audience. If you cannot comply with this format we will cut the mic & the meeting is over."

141 AZDave  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 4:16:24pm
Daily Kos: Ahmadinejad 'Sounds Entirely Too Reasonable'

What can one expect from a pack of idiots who wouldn't know reason if it jumped up and bit them in the ass?


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