Go Rudy,

This man knows what he's talking about.

All the smaller players are economic-socialists.

I voted for Duncan Hunter. I thought he had some really great answers in the first half, but then got short-changed by the executioners in the second half.

Thanks for not putting Ron Paul in there. He is not only not a republican he isnt even a true american

I wouldnt even saddle the democrats with his goofy ass

re: #1 Emperor Bob

Go Rudy,

This man knows what he's talking about.

All the smaller players are economic-socialists.

Economic socialists? Really? How so?

Start with Hunter if you will be so kind.

Feeling left out.

JUST KIDDING

McCain is not looking so good

Alex Jones is going to stab Charles the next time he leaves his home for this act of war.

Hey, where's Ron Paul's name
*grin*

Rudy's my guy -- haven't heard much to change that.

Maybe we need a second poll about who would make the best Vice Presidentual running mate ?

re: #2 mama winger

Keep pushing Hunter and the conservative platform, if Rudy gets the nod let him know we expect a steady trend to the right.

Well, my truck is back, gotta go get it ready for tomorrow.

re: #6 gamegrid

Alex Jones is going to stab Charles the next time he leaves his home for this act of war.

Fuck Alex Jones!

/not me, of course

There was no need to mention Hillary Clinton so much.
We all know she's a rabid socialist and that her economic policies are not a step in the right direction, I didn't need to hear it from these candidates.

I still like Rudy. He's very sure of himself, and very natural. I thought Fred did well, though - I'd love to see the two of them on a ticket. I think it would be unbeatable.

re: #12 Ward Cleaver

re: #6 gamegrid

Alex Jones is going to stab Charles the next time he leaves his home for this act of war.

Fuck Alex Jones!

/not me, of course

Well, you could use a real long broom handle.

Rudy holding steady.

re: #10 jcm

re: #2 mama winger

Keep pushing Hunter and the conservative platform, if Rudy gets the nod let him know we expect a steady trend to the right.

That's the strategy....... Let them know we are here and we are a force.

re: #9 Bill Amos

Maybe we need a second poll about who would make the best Vice Presidentual running mate ?

Can the polls accomodate 2 answers? Poll for 2 individuals as either P a/o VP.

re: #9 Bill Amos

I think Huckabee will end up in someone's cabinet, not sure if he will get picked for veep

I think a Thompson / Giuliani ticket would kick the demoncats collective assses

I was a little disappointed in Huckabee. I sure wish he had a better polished image to show us. Fred came out pretty decent for this debate, but Rudy has been in his stride, particularly for this one. Overall, Romney didn't do too badly, either.

re: #4 mama winger

I know them by their faces, and I missed half the debate.

Duncan pulled out his old heavy steel plate argument,
D.H.:We have to import it from China! What do we do if they decide to go to war? We won't be able to build our tanks, and they'll win the war!
Joe average: If China goes to war: NUCLEAR ANHILATION is much more problematic than any amount of steel plate.

The general pessimism about the economy is also a problem.
Oh and protectionism = socialism, in my book.

Giuliani won in my opinion, but it somehow struck me as a cheap-ass, camp-the-respawn sort of victory. Nonetheless, he did expose Romney as a guy with even less respect for the Constitution than I thought. Huckabee too, unfortunately, since I have a natural sympathy towards Fairtaxers.

Video: Rudy smacks Paul over 9/11; Update: Full exchange added

I think a Thompson / Giuliani ticket would kick the demoncats collective assses

Couldn't agree more.

I like Huckabee, but I think he overdoes the folksy-joke thing a little too much. If I were advising him, I'd limit him to one of those per debate...or less.

re: #17 mama winger

re: #10 jcm

re: #2 mama winger

Keep pushing Hunter and the conservative platform, if Rudy gets the nod let him know we expect a steady trend to the right.

That's the strategy....... Let them know we are here and we are a force.

A critical aspect is the courts, and it seems the times I've listened to Rudy he gets it on the court appointments.

somewhat ot [Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

I'm still for Rudy but we've got a long, long way to go.

Meanwhile.. a piece on LGF...

LGF... They say racist.. we say realist..

Forgive me for reposting from the last thread:

re: #145 Killgore Trout

Yep.

But Rudy did a fair job.

Someone needs to tell Romney that his little cheap shot was too obviously rehearsed, and it was not appreciated.

Fred is better at returning cheap shots than at addressing any call for specifics on policy.

Duncan Hunter failed to distinguish himself again - damnit.

Tancredo has only one issue.

Ron Paul is insane.

Who else was there? Oh, yeah, McCain? He contradicted his entire record. This must have been his retirement speech, where he admits he's a failure in public life.

re: #27 jcm

I've listened to Rudy he gets it on the court appointments.

God help us, I hope so.

I hate relying on hope.

re: #14 capitalist piglet

I still like Rudy. He's very sure of himself, and very natural. I thought Fred did well, though - I'd love to see the two of them on a ticket. I think it would be unbeatable.

Agreed. Thompson's recognizability (recognizableness?) would be a great asset for snagging those who are less than politically astute but know Fred from his acting gig. That's not a trifling aspect.

Rudy/Thompson '08

I think Rudy is the only one who can beat the Hill ... has the best name recognition of all the GOPs. For VP I like Hunter or Thompson

re: #13 Logan

There was no need to mention Hillary Clinton so much.
We all know she's a rabid socialist and that her economic policies are not a step in the right direction, I didn't need to hear it from these candidates.

Sorry Logan but I disagree. Hillary is the Dem frontrunner. Fair game.

chicagodudewhotrades 10/09/07 3:08:27 pm reply
re: #9 Bill Amos

I think Huckabee will end up in someone's cabinet, not sure if he will get picked for veep

I support Fred but think Duncan or Rudy would make a good VP.

Im sure others disagree on the order but other than Ron paul who is nuts and Brownback who is irrelevant most are good guys

Think McCain can be secertary of veteran affairs and Mitt can be Secertary of Labor and will throw in Tancredo as secertary of immigration

re: #30 Dianna

Forgive me for reposting from the last thread:

re: #145 Killgore Trout

Yep.

But Rudy did a fair job.

Someone needs to tell Romney that his little cheap shot was too obviously rehearsed, and it was not appreciated.

Fred is better at returning cheap shots than at addressing any call for specifics on policy.

Hi Dianna!

I hate well rehearsed cheap shots. Kerry/Edwards a la.. "if you asked Mary Cheney" comes to mind..

Romney is slamming Giuliani for taking the line item veto to the Supreme Court -- but in my opinion Rudy did exactly what any mayor of a major city should do, he fought to get the best deal for his city.

Romney's way off base slamming him for that.

re: #26 capitalist piglet

I like Huckabee, but I think he overdoes the folksy-joke thing a little too much. If I were advising him, I'd limit him to one of those per debate...or less.

Ahhh... that you make it 1/2 a folksy joke per debate... no, no, let's see... that would make it less than a... poop... to hard for me to figure out... I'm just too folksy.

re: #33 E.T.

I think Rudy is the only one who can beat the Hill ... has the best name recognition of all the GOPs. For VP I like Hunter or Thompson

hillary ran him out of the 00 senate race. I am worried he will blink again.

OK, no truck, must have been UPS.....
Do all of the candidates make a lot more sense than hillobama?
OK, thats my truck, BY all

re: #38 Walter L. Newton

LOL! Well, I like them, and I laugh every single time...but after a while it makes him seem less serious. Superficial stuff, I know, but that's what I'm good at. ; )

Oh no!
Rudy forget to mention 9/11!

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

re: #39 commander_vimes

re: #33 E.T.

I think Rudy is the only one who can beat the Hill ... has the best name recognition of all the GOPs. For VP I like Hunter or Thompson

hillary ran him out of the 00 senate race. I am worried he will blink again.

I believe he had cancer, did he not?

Which candidate do you guys think is the most conservative ?

I'm not talking in terms of electability - just political viewpoint?

Tuned in, saw Global warming bull shit, tuned out. Nice pandering to the lefties guys.

What's that smell in here?

re: #36 Ginn

I actually saw red when Kerry said that!

Hi, Ginn -

One of these days, I'm gonna say, 'Lo, Ginn. and work my way to "s'lo, Ginn" and figure out a way to add fizz in such a way that it actually works and does not sound contrived.

re: #31 mama winger

re: #27 jcm

I've listened to Rudy he gets it on the court appointments.

God help us, I hope so.

I hate relying on hope.

From his 12 Commitments:
Rudy Giuliani served as the third highest ranking official in Ronald Reagan’s Justice Department, worked as a US Attorney, and argued cases before the Supreme Court. He understands the responsibility the President has to appoint and nominate federal judges. The kind of judges he has said he would appoint are strict constructionists like Justices Scalia, Roberts and Alito—principled individuals who can be trusted to respect the Constitution as it is written, rather than attempting to legislate from the bench.

To watch Rudy’s Commitment to appoint strict constructionist judges, (video link)

To read more about Rudy’s Commitment to reform the legal system and appoint strict constructionist judges.

I prefer Fred. That way I don't need to keep calling friends from the east coast to translate what Rudy says for me.

So just what the hell is laur enforcement have to do with the interwebs?

re: #30 Dianna

I would add that Fred should stop trying to be funny. He got a few laughs but many of his jokes didn't go over. It only takes one seriously bombed joke to look really stupid and he shouldn't risk it.

re: #44 mama winger

Which candidate do you guys think is the most conservative ?

I'm not talking in terms of electability - just political viewpoint?

Well, you'd have to look at their records.
Examine how each voted on economic matters, when they had a real chance to show they were true fiscal conservatives.
Also examine their stance on other "conservative" issues, including gun control, abortion, things of that nature.

You'd have a hard time highlighting the career of Rudy as a model of conservatism that's for sure.

re: #43 capitalist piglet

re: #39 commander_vimes

re: #33 E.T.

I think Rudy is the only one who can beat the Hill ... has the best name recognition of all the GOPs. For VP I like Hunter or Thompson

hillary ran him out of the 00 senate race. I am worried he will blink again.

I believe he had cancer, did he not?

My recollection is the divorce was getting nasty and certain pro-hillary tabloids were playing it up big-time.

re: #48 jcm

Thanks jcm! I'll take a look ......

this election is posing some real dilemmas for me.

re: #37 Charles

The structure to finance cities is awful, in the entire western world.
Giulani is a champion of achieving the possible.

He's a law-and-order candidate, who won in a city where there are 9 democrats for every Republican.

re: #39 commander_vimes

No, he didn't blink. He had cancer. That is not blinking.

I am concerned, btw, with the health of pretty much every candidate.

re: #47 Dianna

re: #36 Ginn

I actually saw red when Kerry said that!

Hi, Ginn -

One of these days, I'm gonna say, 'Lo, Ginn. and work my way to "s'lo, Ginn" and figure out a way to add fizz in such a way that it actually works and does not sound contrived.

Dianna.. (lol) very cool.

Slow Ginn Fizzing!

Rudy sure does well in debates.
He knows how he comes across better than most politicians.
The idea of Rudy and Fred appeals to me.

If nothing else, just Thompson's terrible non answer on an issue as important as the Dollar should disqualify anyone from thinking he won anything.

re: #51 Logan

re: #44 mama winger

Which candidate do you guys think is the most conservative ?

I'm not talking in terms of electability - just political viewpoint?

Well, you'd have to look at their records.
Examine how each voted on economic matters, when they had a real chance to show they were true fiscal conservatives.
Also examine their stance on other "conservative" issues, including gun control, abortion, things of that nature.

You'd have a hard time highlighting the career of Rudy as a model of conservatism that's for sure.

I should say, look at how what has consistently been their position on those issues, rather than their current campaign hyperbole.

re: #54 Emperor Bob

re: #37 Charles

The structure to finance cities is awful, in the entire western world.
Giulani is a champion of achieving the possible.

He's a law-and-order candidate, who won in a city where there are 9 democrats for every Republican.

And as someone who spent quite a bit of time in New York when it was at rock bottom, in my opinion Rudy achieved something almost like a miracle.

re: #52 commander_vimes

If that wasn't when he had prostate cancer, when was that? I honestly thought it was then, and that was the reason he dropped out.

#39 commander_vimes 10/09/07 3:13:41 pm

hillary ran him out of the 00 senate race. I am worried he will blink again.

A whole lot has happened since 2000. It's an entirely different world.

Honestly, a Fred/Rudy or Rudy/Fred ticket would be the best shot.

re: #55 Dianna

re: #39 commander_vimes

No, he didn't blink. He had cancer. That is not blinking.

I am concerned, btw, with the health of pretty much every candidate.

Mitt's in great shape, probably best of all the candidates.

re: #50 Killgore Trout

I also don't care; I want him to explain his policies in fairly concrete terms.

I'm getting annoyed with him.

Smells like Ron Paul!

re: #50 Killgore Trout

I would add that Fred should stop trying to be funny. He got a few laughs but many of his jokes didn't go over. It only takes one seriously bombed joke to look really stupid and he shouldn't risk it.

I concur; he doesn't strike me as a funny guy. Jokes don't suit him.

re: #58 Opinionated

You mean you didn't get his answer, or you didn't hear an answer?

re: #60 Charles

re: #54 Emperor Bob

re: #37 Charles

The structure to finance cities is awful, in the entire western world.
Giulani is a champion of achieving the possible.

He's a law-and-order candidate, who won in a city where there are 9 democrats for every Republican.

And as someone who spent quite a bit of time in New York when it was at rock bottom, in my opinion Rudy achieved something almost like a miracle.

I agree! This is a big part of why I like Rudy for Prez. He's proven time and again that he is up to the task.

re: #61 capitalist piglet

re: #52 commander_vimes

If that wasn't when he had prostate cancer, when was that? I honestly thought it was then, and that was the reason he dropped out.

Might have been the same time.

And for the record, I like Rudy. he's in my top 2. I'm just worried that Hillary's willingness to do the PoPD thing will be more damaging to him than to fred.

re: #53 mama winger

re: #48 jcm

Thanks jcm! I'll take a look ......

this election is posing some real dilemmas for me.

Two things:
National Security it has an urgency and possible immediate impact.
And
Court Appointments long term impact and direct of the country.

Yeah, other things are important, but grind through the legislative process. Those two are heavily dependent on the Executive.

I haven't seen them yet, so I'm not voting, I'll pop back a bit later. I am happy that both Rudy and Fred made a good showing, as the field narrows post-January primaries, they will play well off each other framing by debate the future direction and planks of the Republican party. The marriage of groups that Karl built is in need of some counseling.

re: #63 Logan

After spending half an hour on his website, I decided I would not vote for him in the primaries.

#60 Charles

I too lived in New York pre-Giuliani and then somewhat into the Giuliani years for a bit. Actually moved because of how dangerous many parts of the city was before his admin.

re: #66 StinkHammer

I think we've all seen comedians bomb before, it's very uncomfortable and not easy to forget. His advisors need to tell him to knock it off before it goes bad for him.

re: #70 jcm

Two things:
National Security it has an urgency and possible immediate impact.
And
Court Appointments long term impact and direct of the country.

Yeah, other things are important, but grind through the legislative process. Those two are heavily dependent on the Executive.

Very wise advice.

For me, it may come down to the courts.

I'm against abortion, against a porous border/illegal alien accommodation, very pro RKBA, second amendment life member of the NRA, and would not think to vote for anyone other than RUDY GIULIANI (except for my first choice, JOHN BOLTON, but of course, he's not running...yet.)

A GIULIANI/BOLTON ticket would do our country a whole lotta good.

Secretary of State John Bolton, wouldn't be bad either.

re: #72 Dianna

re: #63 Logan

After spending half an hour on his website, I decided I would not vote for him in the primaries.

Yeah, I didn't meant to suggest that I supported him.
But just looking at the candidates age and health, he's probably in the best shape.

re: #67 bcismar

re: #58 Opinionated

You mean you didn't get his answer, or you didn't hear an answer?

Maybe you can tell me what he said.

Okay~

I admit it...

I cheated: I voted for Tom Tancredo without watching the debate.

But I just can't help but love this guy!

~Norsk Troll

re: #69 commander_vimes

In her shoes? I'd tread very, very carefully.

Hillary Clinton has to deal with the fact that every single person in the nation is aware that she has been ultimately humiliated: It is common knowledge that her husband was boffing the help.

re: #76 M. Bensson-Levi

If that were the case, I'd probably want Bolton as President over Rudy.

re: #74 Killgore Trout

re: #66 StinkHammer

I think we've all seen comedians bomb before, it's very uncomfortable and not easy to forget. His advisors need to tell him to knock it off before it goes bad for him.

He can survive a couple, but not a series of flatfalls. Rudy survived the thud of the mid-speech cell call after all.

re: #82 Thanos

True.

re: #37 Charles

Romney is slamming Giuliani for taking the line item veto to the Supreme Court -- but in my opinion Rudy did exactly what any mayor of a major city should do, he fought to get the best deal for his city.

Romney's way off base slamming him for that.

Romney hugely disappointed me on that one. Never mind the fact that Giuliani was acting in his city's best interests. This was a case where the Constitution was being violated. That Romney would think it a bad thing to fight to defend a Constitutional principle, and against a perceived violation of it, indicates that the backhanded smear commercial that the Log Cabin Republicans recently released against Romney may not be as far off as I initially thought.

re: #72 Dianna

Mitt always seems to come across as a more polished John Kerry, sans lying about his war record, of course.

His views seem to be whatever your views are....

Didn't listen, but just heard Savage with a sound bite from Rudy - and Rudy thinks its ok for the Saudis to buy 20% of NASDAQ. Anyone hear this? If true he is off my list.

This "Democracy" is a messy thing.

re: #80 Dianna

Hasn't stopped her yet. Raises her in the polls for a lot of people it seems. The woman believes she can spin anything.

Off my list:

romney

mccain

paul

re: #85 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

Yes, I think he's robocandidate.

1-The non-inclusion of Ron Paul is a good idea.
2-My main man Fred is doing well.
3-There's a long way to go. All this early campaigning has made me weary.

OK!

Getting things off my chest...

Ron Paul is the 2008 answer to Howard Dean. He'll (hopefully) be forgotten about relatively shortly.

BHG

re: #46 Charles

What's that smell in here?

*Norsk Troll sniffs his armpits*

Not me~!

(I hope...)

~ENT

re: #60 Charles

re: #54 Emperor Bob

re: #37 Charles

The structure to finance cities is awful, in the entire western world.
Giulani is a champion of achieving the possible.

He's a law-and-order candidate, who won in a city where there are 9 democrats for every Republican.

And as someone who spent quite a bit of time in New York when it was at rock bottom, in my opinion Rudy achieved something almost like a miracle.

I was a New Yorker before and during Giuliani.

No one can imagine the before and during difference.

Maybe only Reagan in my lifetime made such a transformitive positive difference.

re: #86 dammad

Calm down; someone explained the restrictions quite clearly.

Aww, no Ron Paul? I wanted to vote for him, gag!

Thompson is the man for me -- he's poised and articulate.

Rudy is the only GOP candidate who can beat Hitlery.

Even though I am pro-life, US foreign policy trumps domestic social issues at a time of war (which only Rudy seems to recognize we are in)

Rom Paul gets a major victory in the MSNBC poll

re: #97 Alouette

(which only Rudy seems to recognize we are in)

I don't think that's true.

re: #74 Killgore Trout

I think we've all seen comedians bomb before, it's very uncomfortable and not easy to forget.

And Fred may be an actor, but he's no comedian.

Hmmm... I didn't get to see the debate or blog much because I was busy getting FiOS installed. So, with that in mind, I'm placing a virtual vote for FiOS, since it gives me 20/5 download/upload speed. Can you say crusing on the 'Net? I knew you could.

I get what I pay for and it's exactly what I expected it to be.

Can you say that about any of these candidates; even the one I kinda like (Rudy)?

re: #92 bald headed geek

If by forgotten you mean shackled and sent back to whatever leprechaun den he escaped from, then yes, that should be in everyones prayers.

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Rom Paul gets a major victory in the MSNBC poll

Of course.

I'm starting to see the hits coming in from Ron Paul sites -- the hate mail will probably start flowing soon.

re: #88 commander_vimes

Most women think, deep in their hearts, "If she can't keep her man from boffing the help, she can't control anything."

I may feel sorry for her because of that, but it would prevent me (were I not already opposed to practically every word she's ever said) from voting for her for President.

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Rom Paul gets a major victory in the MSNBC poll

I shocked! Shocked!

/

re: #89 mama winger

Off my list:

romney

mccain

paul

Paul was ON your list?

I liked the generally optimistic tone of the debate. Especially Mitt Romney (not my 1st choice) but optimistic non the less.

It seems that John McCain was showing his age some. He seems to be getting a little hard of hearing. On the other hand he had some pretty good answers.

I also thought some of the questions were weird. What was that London thing about LOL

re: #39 commander_vimes

re: #33 E.T.

I think Rudy is the only one who can beat the Hill ... has the best name recognition of all the GOPs. For VP I like Hunter or Thompson

hillary ran him out of the 00 senate race. I am worried he will blink again.

You just landed on the planet, did you? A life or death battle with prostate cancer put Giuliani out of the '00 senate race. That was the luckiest thing that ever happened to the Hildebeast. She certainly had NOTHING to do with his withdrawal from the race.

re: #106 StinkHammer

re: #89 mama winger

Off my list:

romney

mccain

paul

Paul was ON your list?

LOL! Nooooo ! I mean, of the candidates that debated today - would would I not consider voting for.

Egads :)

re: #103 Charles

Can we get a hate-mail-greatest-hits later? I'm in need of a good laugh.

Charles:
You may have provoked the Paulestinians to declare an infantada (misspelling intentional!) against LGF by leaving Dr. Tin Foil off the list.

I can't vote yet because I haven't seen it but I'm still a Duncan Hunter man.

I'll catch it tonight on the intarweb.

Fred and Rudy, or Rudy and Fred. Either ticket works for me. If the egos could get buried, it'd be a rare example of the GOP exercising some realpolitik with a winning combination. This election won't be about showing up - it's got to be about winning and losing. I prefer to win.

Pon Raul! Howza about Ru Paul?!

re: #103 Charles

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Rom Paul gets a major victory in the MSNBC poll

Of course.

I'm starting to see the hits coming in from Ron Paul sites -- the hate mail will probably start flowing soon.

The Paul fans are voting down all candidates except for their lunatic leader. Pretty freakin' obvious.

I can't wait for these elections to kick off so we can ditch this jerk quickly.

re: #44 mama winger

Which candidate do you guys think is the most conservative ?

I'm not talking in terms of electability - just political viewpoint?

Where we are

The smaller social conservatives are protectionists (Which is not conservative, or at the very least, not Republican), the libertarian is Jimmy Carter with steroid rage. Both are populists (esp. f_cking "Share the Wealth" Huckabee)

Giulani is socially liberal, but at the same time says he'll appoint constructionist judges (the question is: can you trust him?) Very strong on the War on Terror, and the rule of law.

Thompson is the uncontroversial candidate, but is the one I'm most afraid will simply follow the polls. He bills himself as Ronald Reagan 2.0, but Reagan, in his time, brought great change to a tired Republican party.

Romney is interesting, he's playing the goddamn populist card, but apart from that he's decent. He's halfway Fred-Giulani.

re: #60 Charles

I grew up in NYC, and the mess with Lindsay got worse with Beame and Koch. Dinkins was no walk in the park - and of course the race issue became magnified when Rudy beat Dinkins. Rudy did push the broken windows theory of policing, and that brought about a serious improvement in a very short time since the criminals often were one-person crime sprees. Arrest one guy, and you prevent a dozen robberies or more.

These kinds of crime improvements build on themselves. Too bad the lefties don't see it that way and complain about the number of people in prison.

#86 dammad 10/09/07 3:25:28 pm

Didn't listen, but just heard Savage with a sound bite from Rudy - and Rudy thinks its ok for the Saudis to buy 20% of NASDAQ. Anyone hear this? If true he is off my list.

Most did. Fred didn't see a problem either. Both Rudy and Fred did say, however, that national security threats must be determined before a sale is allowed.

re: #97 Alouette

Rudy is the only GOP candidate who can beat Hitlery.

Even though I am pro-life, US foreign policy trumps domestic social issues at a time of war (which only Rudy seems to recognize we are in)

Ah no, Thompson would, and Duncan Hunter would, too, if he were given any media time.

Just as things are starting to heat up and become interesting, I must head home.

Oh, well.

Take care, and don't claw each other while clawing the candidates.

re: #109 mama winger

re: #106 StinkHammer

re: #89 mama winger

Off my list:

romney

mccain

paul

Paul was ON your list?

LOL! Nooooo ! I mean, of the candidates that debated today - would would I not consider voting for.

Egads :)

Oh, thank goodness -- you had me worried (and heading for the Jack Daniels)....

Ron Paul.

re: #117 americanpundit

#86 dammad 10/09/07 3:25:28 pm Didn't listen, but just heard Savage with a sound bite from Rudy - and Rudy thinks its ok for the Saudis to buy 20% of NASDAQ. Anyone hear this? If true he is off my list.

Most did. Fred didn't see a problem either. Both Rudy and Fred did say, however, that national security threats must be determined before a sale is allowed.

Duncan Hunter said flat out "No - I don't trust them"

re: #21 descolada9

I was a little disappointed in Huckabee. I sure wish he had a better polished image to show us. Fred came out pretty decent for this debate, but Rudy has been in his stride, particularly for this one. Overall, Romney didn't do too badly, either.

Bang! I wanted Fred to blow them away, but by far, Mitt took the game. Very polished, very understandable, very Presidential. Good show to all of them (Pawn Raul excluded).

re: #119 Dianna

Goodnight Dianna

Me too - I'm out. Thank you for the good company and a great discussion :)

Ron Paul wins the CNBC poll with 78% of the vote!

re: #20 Atweber

Rudy/Fred, maybe.

In that order.

Just sayin'.

re: #108 M. Bensson-Levi

re: #39 commander_vimes

re: #33 E.T.

I think Rudy is the only one who can beat the Hill ... has the best name recognition of all the GOPs. For VP I like Hunter or Thompson

hillary ran him out of the 00 senate race. I am worried he will blink again.

You just landed on the planet, did you? A life or death battle with prostate cancer put Giuliani out of the '00 senate race. That was the luckiest thing that ever happened to the Hildebeast. She certainly had NOTHING to do with his withdrawal from the race.

Rudy withdrew because of prostate cancer, not because of Hillary's act. Some can argue that Rudy pulled out because of his personal issues with his wife/Judi Nathan, but I think that was a wash given Hillary's own personal issues (see Clinton, Bill).

Many people in NYS saw what Rudy did in NYC and thought he could have a positive effect on the state. Heck, he ran for Mayor and won in an overwhelming Democrat city - and won reelection by a larger margin than his first race. That tells you that he's got crossover appeal.

Still does.

#122 mama winger

So did Brownback and Tancredo.

re: #125 Killgore Trout

How do the paulinas have time to pull that shit off?

No winner....
This 'debate' was a bore.

re: #103 Charles

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Rom Paul gets a major victory in the MSNBC poll

Of course.

I'm starting to see the hits coming in from Ron Paul sites -- the hate mail will probably start flowing soon.

Along the lines of,

How can you exclude the only man who can save America?!?

...only with loads of profanity?

re: #61 capitalist piglet

re: #52 commander_vimes

If that wasn't when he had prostate cancer, when was that? I honestly thought it was then, and that was the reason he dropped out.

Rudy did drop out of the senate race against Shrillery because of prostate cancer. From a distance, it always seemed odd because he never seemed to be out of the public eye for any period of time. Some say he dropped out because he decided he couldn't win, and some think it was strictly for health reasons. Hard to tell.

re: #81 Logan

re: #76 M. Bensson-Levi

If that were the case, I'd probably want Bolton as President over Rudy.

He's my first choice.

re: #129 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

re: #125 Killgore Trout

How do the paulinas have time to pull that shit off?

They have no life.

I really really want Rudy / Thompson as the ticket, however I can live with that reversed. To me it's vip to have someone on the ticket who can bark with the blue dogs and run with the Reagan Democrats.

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Ron Paul wins the CNBC poll with 78% of the vote!

~4500 votes, 75% for paul.

So paul has about 3400 votes in the general election

/ assuming cnbc blocked double-voting

I couldn't watch all of it. Too painful to think I'm going to vote for one of these guys.

re: #80 Dianna

re: #69 commander_vimes

In her shoes? I'd tread very, very carefully.

Hillary Clinton has to deal with the fact that every single person in the nation is aware that she has been ultimately humiliated: It is common knowledge that her husband was keeps boffing the help.

Coorected.

re: #135 Thanos

I'm pretty sour on Fred. I don't think he has any place on the ticket.

re: #103 Charles

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Rom Paul gets a major victory in the MSNBC poll

Of course.

I'm starting to see the hits coming in from Ron Paul sites -- the hate mail will probably start flowing soon.

It's not bad enough that they skewed the vote in Ron Paul!'s favor...but then they went and 'dinged down' every other candidate as much as possible.

Every other candidate is showing a 50% or more negative rating now.

What silly morons these Ron Paul! followers are.

Simply juvenile.

~ENT

re: #12 Ward Cleaver

re: #6 gamegrid

Alex Jones is going to stab Charles the next time he leaves his home for this act of war.

Fuck Alex Jones!

/not me, of course

Well I SURE as heck hope you're not expecting any of us wimmen to step in and take care of that for you, cause we ain't.

And that's that, mister.

/nice try

Hmmpf.

How about a Ron Paul/Mike Gravel ticket?

re: #76 M. Bensson-Levi

Me too, then.

Really.

re: #110 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

re: #103 Charles

Can we get a hate-mail-greatest-hits later? I'm in need of a good laugh.

*stomps feet*

Hate mail!

Hate mail!

Hate mail!

(I need a good laugh too....)

How about it, Charles?

~ENT

re: #78 Opinionated

re: #67 bcismar

re: #58 Opinionated

You mean you didn't get his answer, or you didn't hear an answer?

Maybe you can tell me what he said.

Well since I don't think you want me to pull up a transcript I'll paraphrase. He said that a weak dollar should be a concern, that it hinders out influence overseas, but it also can spur economic opportunities to trade.

If you look at how well China is doing by holding down the value of their currency you get the point of the second half of his answer, and if you ever need to buy anything from overseas you get the first half. Seemed to me to be a pretty silly question as most anyone I know who would be interested enough to watch the debate would already know the answer. It is as if the moderators had studied up their best to learn about economics and international politics in hopes of tripping up the candidates, but the best they could come up with were 8th grade civics questions.

re: #104 Dianna

re: #88 commander_vimes

Most women think, deep in their hearts, "If she can't keep her man from boffing the help, she can't control anything."

I may feel sorry for her because of that, but it would prevent me (were I not already opposed to practically every word she's ever said) from voting for her for President.

Would that that were true. but the ploy of victimhood when rudy's replacement "threatened" her by asking her to sign a piece of paper tells me otherwise

Being a Canadian, my input/opinion probably won't count for much, but here goes.... Mitt Romney is presidential material. Fred Thompson is a grouchy old man, with an inflated opinion of himself..... Rudy Giuliani was a nobody until some buildings got blown up on his watch, and has done nothing since.... Ron Paul is very interesting to listen to, however he comes across as another grouchy old man... The winner of the debate wasn't there... He would have to have the charisma of Mitt with the policies of Paul.

So there!

Flame on!

Who said we must be energy independent in 10 years, was that Huckabee? That should be a part of the GOP plank, the main central plank no matter who wins the nomination. And get Ron Paul out of these debates. The Dem hosts like to toss so many questions to him instead of to real candidates, it plays to their nutroots base, and they all smirk at his cookiness, hoping to smear the GOP. What a stupid historically ignorant loon. He is all the conspiracy nuts rolled into one.

Get this debate down to Rudy, Thompson, Romney, maybe McCain. But I think Rudy is the man, once again because I trust him to fight the Islamo Nazis, and he will fight and win against the she-witch.

re: #137 toomanysnax

I couldn't watch all of it. Too painful to think I'm going to vote for one of these guys.

Dude, even Ron Paul beats the Dems. Most of them, especially Brownback and Romney, were pretty impressive, IMHO.

re: #138 Hard Right

Maybe... or if you believe that HRC bats for the other team, and the only reason they have a daughter was that bill got a little drunk and forceful one night....

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Ron Paul wins the CNBC poll with 78% of the vote!

ROTFLMAO!

You just know that there are net-geeks at CNBC with their mouths hanging open at the wonder of it all.

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Ron Paul wins the CNBC poll with 78% of the vote!

what do the paulians do. refresh and vote for 40 minutes?

re: #142 Lee Coller

How about a Ron Paul/Mike Gravel ticket?

Comic relief from the Clinton/Media coronation?

Heh.

re: #152 newsjunkie_ky

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Ron Paul wins the CNBC poll with 78% of the vote!

what do the paulians do. refresh and vote for 40 minutes?

No, they don't have to. Paul is the candidate anyone watching from the left votes for.

re: #112 Pullus Iulius

Fred and Rudy, or Rudy and Fred. Either ticket works for me. If the egos could get buried, it'd be a rare example of the GOP exercising some realpolitik with a winning combination. This election won't be about showing up - it's got to be about winning and losing. I prefer to win.

I could not agree with the "it's got to be about winning" more. Quite frankly, it is really more, to me, a question as to whether or not we want the USA to continue or not.....

re: #148 jehu

Who said we must be energy independent in 10 years, was that Huckabee?

I forget the exact term but it was a bit more nuanced than "energy independent. I agree, it should be part of the platform of the entire field.

re: #129 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

re: #125 Killgore Trout

How do the paulinas have time to pull that shit off?

Not much else to do when sitting in the basement waiting for Mom to make dinner.

re: #127 lawhawk

re: #108 M. Bensson-Levi

re: #39 commander_vimes

re: #33 E.T.

I think Rudy is the only one who can beat the Hill ... has the best name recognition of all the GOPs. For VP I like Hunter or Thompson

hillary ran him out of the 00 senate race. I am worried he will blink again.

You just landed on the planet, did you? A life or death battle with prostate cancer put Giuliani out of the '00 senate race. That was the luckiest thing that ever happened to the Hildebeast. She certainly had NOTHING to do with his withdrawal from the race.

Rudy withdrew because of prostate cancer, not because of Hillary's act. Some can argue that Rudy pulled out because of his personal issues with his wife/Judi Nathan, but I think that was a wash given Hillary's own personal issues (see Clinton, Bill).

Many people in NYS saw what Rudy did in NYC and thought he could have a positive effect on the state. Heck, he ran for Mayor and won in an overwhelming Democrat city - and won reelection by a larger margin than his first race. That tells you that he's got crossover appeal.

Still does.

Absolutely! Couldn't agree with you more.

re: #76 M. Bensson-Levi

I'm against abortion, against a porous border/illegal alien accommodation, very pro RKBA, second amendment life member of the NRA, and would not think to vote for anyone other than RUDY GIULIANI (except for my first choice, JOHN BOLTON, but of course, he's not running...yet.)

A GIULIANI/BOLTON ticket would do our country a whole lotta good.

Secretary of State John Bolton, wouldn't be bad either.

Isn't Giuliani not exactly real clear on illegal immigration, and is pretty clear on the 2nd? Yet, you like him.

No matter what, who, when, where or why, this is going to come down to who can beat the "bad guy."

/Do you miss your conservative values? Does it give you a headache to know the Constitution is going to be changed or misunderstood? No problem, people...just send in $25 for a lifetime supply of "I don't give a shit, as long as the dems don't win!"

//maybe I'm too much of a worry-wort. :)

ill like him?

Re: update

This is not a scientific survey.

Indeed.

re: #147 Freelance

The winner of the debate wasn't there... He would have to have the charisma of Mitt with the policies of Paul.

Then I, for one, am glad you cannot vote here.

re: #152 newsjunkie_ky

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Ron Paul wins the CNBC poll with 78% of the vote!

what do the paulians do. refresh and vote for 40 minutes?

With only a total of 5,000 +/- votes, they probably didn't need to: they all flooded it at once.

re: #76 M. Bensson-Levi

I'm against abortion, against a porous border/illegal alien accommodation, very pro RKBA, second amendment life member of the NRA, and would not think to vote for anyone other than RUDY GIULIANI (except for my first choice, JOHN BOLTON, but of course, he's not running...yet.)

A GIULIANI/BOLTON ticket would do our country a whole lotta good.

Secretary of State John Bolton, wouldn't be bad either.

A Bolton anything would make moonbat heads 'splode. He right up there with Cheney and Rove.

Sec State would be and excellent slot, if the Senate stays the same the nomination fight would be epic.

Ask me again in abut six hours, when I've got home, watched Dancing with Celebrities, and a rerun stream of the debate.

re: #147 Freelance

Being a Canadian, my input/opinion probably won't count for much

You're right. But not because you're Canadian, but because you say things like "He would have to have the charisma of Mitt with the policies of Paul." I understand you're probably just trying to provoke a response, so I ask you to leave that kind of juvenile behavior over at the daily kkkos.

I didn't read through the entire thread, but does anyone have evidence of any wrongdoing or hijacking of these polls to get the results the way they are?

re: #147 Freelance

you should have stopped at my opinon dosen't count for much

and by the way you can go fuck yourself with that some buildings in NY got blown up remark

re: #160 Killgore Trout

Re: update

This is not a scientific survey.

Indeed.

If a poll of registered Republicans who have voted in the past two elections were done, Ron Paul would be statistically insignificant.

I gotta tell you, the more I hear Mike Huckabee talk, the more I like him. Now I'm conflicted over supporting a seemingly "unelectable" candidate.

Of course, there was this other guy from Hope, AR who no one took seriously...

re: #122 mama winger

re: #117 americanpundit

#86 dammad 10/09/07 3:25:28 pm Didn't listen, but just heard Savage with a sound bite from Rudy - and Rudy thinks its ok for the Saudis to buy 20% of NASDAQ. Anyone hear this? If true he is off my list.

Most did. Fred didn't see a problem either. Both Rudy and Fred did say, however, that national security threats must be determined before a sale is allowed.

Duncan Hunter said flat out "No - I don't trust them"

That's enough to sway me to Hunter.

re: #166 Logan

I didn't read through the entire thread, but does anyone have evidence of any wrongdoing or hijacking of these polls to get the results the way they are?

/still hungry after yesterday?

re: #166 Logan

I didn't read through the entire thread, but does anyone have evidence of any wrongdoing or hijacking of these polls to get the results the way they are?

Did you ever see Logan's Run? It's pretty good for an early SF made for TV movie.

Paulians incoming.

re: #159 gettinby

ill like him?

/is this what they call a brain fart? LOL

Has anyone seen poll numbers of how Rudy will do against Hillary in New York state ? Seems like he has a real chance to carry the state.

re: #154 Thanos

re: #152 newsjunkie_ky

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Ron Paul wins the CNBC poll with 78% of the vote!

what do the paulians do. refresh and vote for 40 minutes?

No, they don't have to. Paul is the candidate anyone watching from the left votes for.

so the dems are voting? i'm a little slow this evening.

re: #152 newsjunkie_ky

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Ron Paul wins the CNBC poll with 78% of the vote!

what do the paulians do. refresh and vote for 40 minutes?

There's actually an elaborate Paulian ritual that must be performed between votes. Zombie has a photo essay up on it as it was demonstrated on numerous occasions at the Folsom St. Festival.

re: #147 Freelance

..... Rudy Giuliani was a nobody until some buildings got blown up on his watch, and has done nothing since....

The mayor of New Orleans lost his city on his watch. Giuliani responded in a forceful way. Nagan(sp?) just complained about others.

re: #169 cosmo

I gotta tell you, the more I hear Mike Huckabee talk, the more I like him. Now I'm conflicted over supporting a seemingly "unelectable" candidate.

Of course, there was this other guy from Hope, AR who no one took seriously...

This is frequently a problem I've got here in Canada.
I've grown up in Liberal party dominated ridings for most of my life, and it's always been difficult when your candidate (no matter their credentials, ability, or record) has a very small chance of being elected.

But I'd sooner put in a protest ballet then vote for the alternative (Green Pprty, NDP, Liberal party).

re: #172 Thanos

Specially since it wasn't made for TV.

Since the great and powerful Paul isn't on our poll, they're discussing how to sabotage the vote against Rudy.

re: #167 bulwrk

re: #147 Freelance

you should have stopped at my opinon dosen't count for much

and by the way you can go fuck yourself with that some buildings in NY got blown up remark

I second that.

re: #163 jcm

re: #76 M. Bensson-Levi

I'm against abortion, against a porous border/illegal alien accommodation, very pro RKBA, second amendment life member of the NRA, and would not think to vote for anyone other than RUDY GIULIANI (except for my first choice, JOHN BOLTON, but of course, he's not running...yet.)

A GIULIANI/BOLTON ticket would do our country a whole lotta good.

Secretary of State John Bolton, wouldn't be bad either.

A Bolton anything would make moonbat heads 'splode. He right up there with Cheney and Rove.

Sec State would be and excellent slot, if the Senate stays the same the nomination fight would be epic.

A) he'd never be confirmed and B) There's nothing he could do to change the atmosphere of State. Condi didn't start off bad, she was under-cut and "SoS'd". I loved her when the war started; later I was disillusioned.

re: #145 bcismar

You response is more articulate then his.

He is running for President. I don't want an answer a high schooler would give on this very important subject.

I want to know what he would do as President.

Rudy, Rudy, Rudy. It's all about Rudy...he's the one

Now that I got that out of my system has any seen this story yet?

Saved by the hollow of a tree: A survivor's tale

There's a definite odor in here.

Killgore Trout 156

I like some of the direction that conversation was taking. That we have to see many things as a unique opportunity to change something radically at this point. Ron Paul looks like he bit a sour lemon, nothing America is or does is good enough for him.

But looking at so many things right now, this energy issue is a unique opportunity to do something even bigger than going to the moon. America could and should declare an energy race and declare a great goal in 10 years, then pursue with a vengeance every transition technology and new technology. We could address the security issue, the environment issue, and become the world's net exporter of energy and energy technologies. It just takes a leader to declare the vision and put into play the resources to accomplish the goal. So tired of just tinkering with this or that and playing the oil ticks game since 1973.

re: #176 newsjunkie_ky

Of course they are.

re: #166 Logan

I didn't read through the entire thread, but does anyone have evidence of any wrongdoing or hijacking of these polls to get the results the way they are?

They have tried to here, repeatedly, but unsuccessfully. To assume they would not try to elsewhere is a bit, ummm... optimistic.

What they always do is "freep" a poll: they post links to it on their forums and everyone goes and votes on it (as many times as they can get away with). That they always have so much time to do this is what's amusing.

re: #171 Killian Bundy

re: #166 Logan

I didn't read through the entire thread, but does anyone have evidence of any wrongdoing or hijacking of these polls to get the results the way they are?

/still hungry after yesterday?

Always hungry for me. Bring it on!

re: #168 Thanos

I wonder in which parallel universe I stepped into that ron paul was ever able to run, let alone win, on a Republican ticket.

re: #180 commander_vimes

re: #172 Thanos

Specially since it wasn't made for TV.

Oh really, my bad I thought it was a made-for-tv movie from the cast selection. My bad

re: #169 cosmo

Of course, there was this other guy from Hope, AR who no one took seriously...

...who the MSM catapulted into the public consciousness so that his condidacy couldn't be avoided....

re: #185 kreigwagon

Well that did not come out like I'd wanted it, at least the link worked.

Good site, imo. On The Issues.

/take the Vote-Match Quiz. Pretty accurate, imo.

re: #191 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

re: #168 Thanos

I wonder in which parallel universe I stepped into that ron paul was ever able to run, let alone win, on a Republican ticket.

Twould be a strange one indeed, suspect the borogroves would be all mimsy and such.

re: #172 Thanos

re: #166 Logan

I didn't read through the entire thread, but does anyone have evidence of any wrongdoing or hijacking of these polls to get the results the way they are?

Did you ever see Logan's Run? It's pretty good for an early SF made for TV movie.

I didn't think it was made for TV.
And no, I haven't seen it, but it's been recommended many times, I definitely need to check it out!

re: #173 Charles

Paulians incoming.

They have a website called "Daily Paul"?!?

LMAO!

The Huckster was behind draconian anti-smoking measures in AR. I'm not too hip on nanny-state pols.

News item:
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Whatcha wanna bet the poor professor did it himself, or put someone up to it?

re: #197 Logan

re: #172 Thanos

re: #166 Logan

I didn't read through the entire thread, but does anyone have evidence of any wrongdoing or hijacking of these polls to get the results the way they are?

Did you ever see Logan's Run? It's pretty good for an early SF made for TV movie.

I didn't think it was made for TV.
And no, I haven't seen it, but it's been recommended many times, I definitely need to check it out!

Well dystopian views of the future are popular in Hollywood, I wonder why that is?

Ron Paul won by not being there.

I've gone Zen.

Sad to say that my very own mother is a Paulian.

....although I'm quite certain that she has not voted in any on-line polls.

re: #189 Spiny Norman

re: #166 Logan

I didn't read through the entire thread, but does anyone have evidence of any wrongdoing or hijacking of these polls to get the results the way they are?

They have tried to here, repeatedly, but unsuccessfully. To assume they would not try to elsewhere is a bit, ummm... optimistic.

What they always do is "freep" a poll: they post links to it on their forums and everyone goes and votes on it (as many times as they can get away with). That they always have so much time to do this is what's amusing.

Okay.
I was just curious, and I wasn't optimistic that they weren't hijacking or swarming polls. Just curious is all.

Oh and thanks for answering without getting your panties in a bunch and going all foaming at the mouth.

Simple question, simple answer.
Cheers!

re: #197 Logan

It was a theatrical release.

re: #183 lvrick

re: #163 jcm

re: #76 M. Bensson-Levi

I'm against abortion, against a porous border/illegal alien accommodation, very pro RKBA, second amendment life member of the NRA, and would not think to vote for anyone other than RUDY GIULIANI (except for my first choice, JOHN BOLTON, but of course, he's not running...yet.)A GIULIANI/BOLTON ticket would do our country a whole lotta good.

Secretary of State John Bolton, wouldn't be bad either.

A Bolton anything would make moonbat heads 'splode. He right up there with Cheney and Rove.Sec State would be and excellent slot, if the Senate stays the same the nomination fight would be epic.

A) he'd never be confirmed and B) There's nothing he could do to change the atmosphere of State. Condi didn't start off bad, she was under-cut and "SoS'd". I loved her when the war started; later I was disillusioned.

State needs a serious fumigation to remove the infestation for sure.

re: #202 Ringo the Gringo

Sad to say that my very own mother is a Paulian.

....although I'm quite certain that she has not voted in any on-line polls.

She... must be eliminated.

;)

Just wondering if the Ron Paul supporters are really a shrillary front group trying to skew/hamstring the opposition...

re: #186 Charles

There's a definite odor in here.

Moby-dar getting pings?

re: #166 Logan

I didn't read through the entire thread, but does anyone have evidence of any wrongdoing or hijacking of these polls to get the results the way they are?

The results of the online polls speak for themselves when compared against traditional polls.

Online Ron Paul > 50%
Offline Ron Paul < 2%

This is the general trend for all polls that I have seen to date with Ron Paul as a choice.

re: #204 BeerForMyHorses

That's what I thought.
I heard rumblings of a remake... I've gotta see the original before Hollywood potentially desecrates another old movie.

re: #199 milesfromkansas

News item:
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Whatcha wanna bet the poor professor did it himself, or put someone up to it?

Kerri Dunn, is that you?

Charles I followed your link up thread.

I don't know how you do it, but it was interesting to see how they actually put on their posts, how they are trying to sway other polling.

Glenn Beck had a pretty good commentary on them today. Caller for Paul was calling from Detroit. Apparently Beck is not on in Detroit.

re: #181 Charles

Since the great and powerful Paul isn't on our poll, they're discussing how to sabotage the vote against Rudy.

Can't you set up the poll so only Lizards logged in can vote?

re: #195 gettinby

Good site, imo. On The Issues.

/take the Vote-Match Quiz. Pretty accurate, imo.

Oh my gosh gettinby!

I just glanced over to the computer and say this quiz. Would you believe Rudy scored BELOW some democrats for me? How weird is that? :)

My top pick was Hunter, followed by Tancredo followed by Huckabee.

re: #209 CyanSnowHawk

re: #166 Logan

I didn't read through the entire thread, but does anyone have evidence of any wrongdoing or hijacking of these polls to get the results the way they are?

The results of the online polls speak for themselves when compared against traditional polls.

Online Ron Paul > 50%
Offline Ron Paul < 2%

This is the general trend for all polls that I have seen to date with Ron Paul as a choice.

That's a good point, and puts things into perspective.

re: #202 Ringo the Gringo

Sad to say that my very own mother is a Paulian.

....although I'm quite certain that she has not voted in any on-line polls.

She must be liquidated. She's impudent. :)

I believe Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are the same person with a manic depressive problem.

A whole lot of hits are coming in from this search at Digg.com, a hotbed of Paulian activity: search for 'ron paul'

re: #147 Freelance

Being a Canadian, my input/opinion probably won't count for much, but here goes.... Mitt Romney is presidential material. Fred Thompson is a grouchy old man, with an inflated opinion of himself..... Rudy Giuliani was a nobody until some buildings got blown up on his watch, and has done nothing since.... Ron Paul is very interesting to listen to, however he comes across as another grouchy old man... The winner of the debate wasn't there... He would have to have the charisma of Mitt with the policies of Paul.

So there!

Flame on!

Welcome to 'scroll-over' country, Freelance~!

Population: you

~Norsk Troll

re: #217 Opinionated

I believe Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are the same person with a manic depressive problem.

Now there's a ticket!

O/T

Anyone watch PBS' "The War"?
I've got it, and I'm excited to start watching.
All 15 hours, hoorah!

I just realized why skewing polls may help the Ron Paulians-it gets them publicity.
People say, who the heck is he? They check his site out and pick up other completely insane idiots.

re: #214 mama winger

re: #195 gettinby

Good site, imo. On The Issues.

/take the Vote-Match Quiz. Pretty accurate, imo.

Oh my gosh gettinby!

I just glanced over to the computer and say this quiz. Would you believe Rudy scored BELOW some democrats for me? How weird is that? :)

My top pick was Hunter, followed by Tancredo followed by Huckabee.

The quiz was probably written by moonbats. I thought some of the questions were stragely worded.

re: #220 jcm

re: #217 Opinionated

I believe Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are the same person with a manic depressive problem.

Now there's a ticket!

Has anyone seen them in the same place at the same time?

re: #159 gettinby

re: #76 M. Bensson-Levi

I'm against abortion, against a porous border/illegal alien accommodation, very pro RKBA, second amendment life member of the NRA, and would not think to vote for anyone other than RUDY GIULIANI (except for my first choice, JOHN BOLTON, but of course, he's not running...yet.)

A GIULIANI/BOLTON ticket would do our country a whole lotta good.

Secretary of State John Bolton, wouldn't be bad either.

Isn't Giuliani not exactly real clear on illegal immigration, and is pretty clear on the 2nd? Yet, you like him.

No matter what, who, when, where or why, this is going to come down to who can beat the "bad guy."

/Do you miss your conservative values? Does it give you a headache to know the Constitution is going to be changed or misunderstood? No problem, people...just send in $25 for a lifetime supply of "I don't give a shit, as long as the dems don't win!"

//maybe I'm too much of a worry-wort. :)

ill like him?

Stop being such a sanctimonious ass! All the shortcomings that Giuliani has pale in comparison to the downright evil, and destructive potential of Clinton. DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

It does come down to who can beat the "bad guy." Don't you get that either?

If it's Giuliani against Clinton, would you not vote for Giuliani? Would you stay home and sulk?

Well?

re: #221 Logan

O/T

Anyone watch PBS' "The War"?
I've got it, and I'm excited to start watching.
All 15 hours, hoorah!

Caught bits and pieces, focused on the personal perspective of the war, less history than The Civil War, enough to tie the the stories together.

re: #219 EtNorskTroll

lol

How 'bout this:

ron paul is secretly a Rove plant designed to appeal to the moonbats and stimulate their insanity just enough to get them to not vote for the dem nominee. We all know the candidates on the left hate America, but they've yet to flop that crazy card out there. Paul could be a Trojan horse who's only purpose is to destabilize the power base of the left.

Hows that for inane ramblings? If I keep that up I'll get a Paul administration cabinet level post for sure.

/

re: #208 jcm

re: #186 Charles

There's a definite odor in here.

Moby-dar getting pings?

Mobydar readings are off the scale.

re: #225 M. Bensson-Levi

Last election , we on the right were amused and aghast at the "Anybody But Bush" phenomena. Isn't your viewpoint just the same, in reverse?

re: #226 jcm

re: #221 Logan

O/T

Anyone watch PBS' "The War"?
I've got it, and I'm excited to start watching.
All 15 hours, hoorah!

Caught bits and pieces, focused on the personal perspective of the war, less history than The Civil War, enough to tie the the stories together.

Interesting. That's what I had heard, that it was more focussed on personal stories.
In that case, I'm going to also look into "The Civil War".

re: #184 Opinionated

re: #145 bcismar

You response is more articulate then his.

He is running for President. I don't want an answer a high schooler would give on this very important subject.

I want to know what he would do as President.

Well thanks. I would step to the plate myself but since there are too many women in my past (and hopefully in my future) I can't be a successful Republican candidate, and since I have an honest military background and firmly believe in personal freedom and responsibility and that there really are deadly enemies in this world that we need to kill, and kill quickly, I can't be a democrap. I'm also just not insane enough to be a Libertarian.

What to do,,,

Maybe I could apply to Fred to be a translator?

re: #224 BeerForMyHorses

re: #220 jcm

re: #217 Opinionated

I believe Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are the same person with a manic depressive problem.

Now there's a ticket!

Has anyone seen them in the same place at the same time?

And if they did one was a doppleganger.

re: #223 newsjunkie_ky

re: #214 mama winger

re: #195 gettinby

Good site, imo. On The Issues.
/take the Vote-Match Quiz. Pretty accurate, imo.

Oh my gosh gettinby!
I just glanced over to the computer and say this quiz. Would you believe Rudy scored BELOW some democrats for me? How weird is that? :)

My top pick was Hunter, followed by Tancredo followed by Huckabee.

The quiz was probably written by moonbats. I thought some of the questions were stragely worded.

There are push polls out there, this might be a second one, I tried to answer as Rudy would on this one and he came in third, on another one I actually looked up his foreign policy positions and he finished just above the dems. Beware of polls that purport to peg the candidates on issues and match you up, it's subject to ... subjectivity of the poll presenter.

re: #177 cosmo

re: #152 newsjunkie_ky

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Ron Paul wins the CNBC poll with 78% of the vote!

what do the paulians do. refresh and vote for 40 minutes?

There's actually an elaborate Paulian ritual that must be performed between votes. Zombie has a photo essay up on it as it was demonstrated on numerous occasions at the Folsom St. Festival.

Sick, sick, sick, Cosmo....

Sick

~ENT

I'm off to rescue the day care from the kids.

I'm sorry, but I think I have to agree with Thomas Friedman. Rudy Giuliani is too attached to the supposed lessons we learned in the aftermath of 9/11. We need to move on, and Giuliani is still platforming off 9/11. As Friedman said "We are about 9/12, we are about the Fourth of July." I don't want to see this country united around 9/11 -- that's not how we're going to get out of these doldrums. America needs someone who can lead not just in national defense, which I admit is a major issue, but to motivate our best minds back into technological advances and putting America back in the drivers seat.

Ron Paul would cut, slash and burn every social program on the books right now, and he would drastically lower taxes!

I wonder if the Paulians realize that?

re: #219 EtNorskTroll

Exactly What a shitty thing to say. I'm not American either but would never trivialise 9/11 that way. Also, for the pricks info, the next President of the US was on the platform. He's called Rudi.
Abroad, he speaks really well, doesn't play up the 9/11 thing, and is aware of the existance of the rest of the world. I'd probably, as a european disagree with a lot of his policies, but he's a real live human being, not a party cipher.

/my 2 euros worth.

re: #214 mama winger

re: #195 gettinby

Good site, imo. On The Issues.

/take the Vote-Match Quiz. Pretty accurate, imo.

Oh my gosh gettinby!

I just glanced over to the computer and say this quiz. Would you believe Rudy scored BELOW some democrats for me? How weird is that? :)

My top pick was Hunter, followed by Tancredo followed by Huckabee.

Yours are pretty darned close to my results!

The site is also very informative on each of the candidates...helps me quite a bit.

The first real rain of the fall has just started here.

re: #223 newsjunkie_ky

Good site, imo. On The Issues.
/take the Vote-Match Quiz. Pretty accurate, imo.

The quiz was probably written by moonbats. I thought some of the questions were stragely worded.

You noticed that, too, eh?

Other than the Pre-9/11 attitude, I sort-of like Ron Paul.

Too bad he'd have us killed, or I'd actually consider voting for him.

re: #237 jordash1212

I'm sorry, but I think I have to agree with Thomas Friedman. Rudy Giuliani is too attached to the supposed lessons we learned in the aftermath of 9/11. We need to move on, and Giuliani is still platforming off 9/11. As Friedman said "We are about 9/12, we are about the Fourth of July." I don't want to see this country united around 9/11 -- that's not how we're going to get out of these doldrums. America needs someone who can lead not just in national defense, which I admit is a major issue, but to motivate our best minds back into technological advances and putting America back in the drivers seat.

Well put.
I think there ought to be more focus on the economy, tonight's debate rarely got into any important details about the candidates economic plans.

re: #237 jordash1212

Straw man. Tell me Rudy's position on energy, Rudy's position on business.

From "daily paul" -

Not the only ones trying to screw us..
On October 9th, 2007 bilabrin says:
CHECK THIS OUT!
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I voted for Duncan Hunter out of protest and to show them that a poll without Dr. Paul is not a poll.

I had no idea that Duncan Hunter (my personal choice) was the Paulian fall-back candidate. :)

re: #225 M. Bensson-Levi

re: #159 gettinby

re: #76 M. Bensson-Levi

If it's Giuliani against Clinton, would you not vote for Giuliani? Would you stay home and sulk?

Well?

One issue voters are very frustrating. It's not just moonbats who can be sanctimonious and self righteous. Second Amendment? Abortion? Takes more than a Presidential position to bring about what the Chicken Little's of both parties squawk about.

re: #243 WrathofG-d

Other than the Pre-9/11 attitude, I sort-of like Ron Paul.

Too bad he'd have us killed, or I'd actually consider voting for him.

BLASPHEMY!
TROLL!
CLOSET MUSLIM!
TERRORIST!

How dare you not support Rudy?!

re: #231 Logan

Interesting. That's what I had heard, that it was more focussed on personal stories.
In that case, I'm going to also look into "The Civil War".

Well, as long as you're compiling a "to watch" list . . .

/have you seen Mr. Holland's Opus?