The peace of the dhimmi.

peace and understanding between Islam and Christianity

as soon as all the Christians are dead or converted

130 muslims scholars? A contradiction in terms.

It more than a lightly veiled threat.

Charles,

Count me amoung the cynical.

It's the final offer to accept Islam or Dhimmitude.
When the Pope politely says no thank you.

The War is on.

What will/can the World do when it finally wakes up to the fact that Islam cannot peacefully coexist with anyone?

turgid mess of Koran quotes turds

Hope you don't mind.

Here’s the letter in PDF form. Read it for yourself, and you deserve a medal if you make it through this turgid mess of Koran quotes.

Twenty-nine pages?!? I'm gonna need No-Doz and Mountain Dew.

re: #5 jcm

It's the final offer to accept Islam or Dhimmitude.
When the Pope politely says no thank you.

The War is on.

Hey, no fair. I missed the first two offers.

Islam is to scholars as Michael Moore is to aerobics instructor

/SAT mode off

More than 130 Muslim scholars from around the globe called on Thursday for peace and understanding between Islam and Christianity, saying “the very survival of the world itself is perhaps at stake.”

Or what?

/is there an or what with that?

FNDT!

re: #12 MandyManners

DRINK!

re: #12 MandyManners

FNDT!

Now there's a surah for me.

Between Al Gore saying we need to be on a "higher plane" and these "scholars" offering an "islamic peace." I am getting real cranky and feel my LIFE, LIBERTY and PROPERTY are under immediate threat.

LOCK -n- LOAD!

re: #9 tubbyhubby

re: #5 jcm

It's the final offer to accept Islam or Dhimmitude.
When the Pope politely says no thank you.

The War is on.

Hey, no fair. I missed the first two offers.

AD 720 and AD 1683.

Here's a quote from my screenplay project:

I've read the MANIFESTO OF THE INE GIVAR, it's a very interesting book, I keep my copy on a very special bookshelf with my copies of MEIN KAMPF, THE KORAN, and THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO.

You can guess what I think of the idea of actually reading 29 pages of Koran quotes.

130 muslim scholars creeps

Pope Benedict to Muslim scholars:

I've got a nice staff that I can shove up your whiney asses.

It's time for Pope Benedict to issue a papal bull against Muslim bullshit.

re: #17 jcm
My bad. Thanks for the clarification. I think.

re: #20 WimbledonWomble

Pope Benedict to Muslim scholars:

I've got a nice staff that I can shove up your whiney asses.

Then I'll head butt you with this pointy hat.

Maybe I’m cynical (maybe?)

Not just cynical, you've been very snarky today. I like it.

Getting a letter making an offer of peace is like getting a weather report from Al Gore. You are threatened with doom in either case.

Maybe I’m cynical (maybe?) but my initial impression of the Muslim scholars’ letter to Pope Benedict is that it’s a veiled threat.

Well, at least it was wearing a burqa.

re: #20 WimbledonWomble

Pope Benedict to Muslim scholars:

I've got a nice staff that I can shove up your whiney asses.

If there is one thing barbarians cannot stand it is the light of truth.

And I don't mean Pravda.

re: #22 tubbyhubby

re: #17 jcm
My bad. Thanks for the clarification. I think.

I don't think they're real big on the three offer bit, I think they get carried away and go straight to the head chopping bit.

Maybe I’m cynical (maybe?) but my initial impression of the Muslim scholars’ letter to Pope Benedict is that it’s a veiled threat.

Maybe I missed something, but it didn't sound veiled at all.

re: #13 Da_Beerfreak

re: #12 MandyManners

DRINK!

If you're waiting on me, you're backing up!

Well, it's going to be a beautiful weekend here in southeastern Texas to visit the range, and improve the anti-dhimmification skills.

So there's Arabic in the letter after the name Mohammed, which I must assume is "Peace be upon Him." But what is the Arabic after the name of Jesus Christ? It looks different.

The Pope ought to send the letter back with 'Muslim' and 'Christian' interchanged. Then watch the reaction of these assholes. seething.

In all the Islamic country papers this is running as "130 Muslim Scholars Call for Peace With the Pope".

Is this the second "peace overature", and are there only three before you can then go Jihad?

peace and understanding between Islam and Christianity

Very easy to do.

Muslims - stop blowing shit up. Stop the head chopping. Stop the clit cutting. Stop the Jew hating.

Christians - stop being so nice to the muslims. They will never improve themselves if no one tells them they are assholes.

re: #14 Thanos

re: #12 MandyManners

FNDT!

Now there's a surah for me.

I have no idea what you just said but, I trust that it's good.

re: #25 gymnast

Getting a letter making an offer of peace is like getting a weather report from Al Gore. You are threatened with doom in either case.

Ah, but which allied commander responded so succinctly with "Nuts!" (Works in both instances, as in "You are" or "A.G. is")

Muslim Scholars: Behave yourselves and assimilate to the culture where you live or the survival of your islamic ideology is at stake.

By offering "peace" they have shown their hand to be weak. Now is the time to strike. Islam is the enemy and must be humiliated so it does not show it's vile self for another one thousand years.

re: #11 Killian Bundy

More than 130 Muslim scholars from around the globe called on Thursday for peace and understanding between Islam and Christianity, saying “the very survival of the world itself is perhaps at stake.”

Or what?

/is there an or what with that?

Boy do I wish Reagan was around to respond to this. Something along the lines of "No actually your survival is at stake. Now STFU and STFD."

Sigh.

"If you step in my hood it's understood, HA, It's Open Season!"

Thus saith the Lord Nelson.

And as for me and my house...

Near the end of the introduction:

Thus in obedience to the Holy Qur’an, we as Muslims invite Christians to come together with us on the basis of what is common to us, which is also what is most essential to our faith and practice: the Two Commandments of love

Why do I get the feeling that for them, the two commandments are "There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet"?

That's not the same as for Christians. Duh.

re: #29 kansas

Maybe I’m cynical (maybe?) but my initial impression of the Muslim scholars’ letter to Pope Benedict is that it’s a veiled threat.

Maybe I missed something, but it didn't sound veiled at all.

It was the work of a committee.

It's kinda hard to veil a threat when you're only as smart as your dumbest member.

"Muslim scholars"

/oxymoron

What put the mohammedans 'over the edge' were these words from Benedicts speech at Regensburg:

God is not pleased by blood, and not acting reasonably is contrary to God's nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats... To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death....

Further on, were the mohammedans to have even a modicum of reading comprehension, were these words:

The decisive statement in this argument against violent conversion is this: not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God's nature. The editor, Theodore Khoury, observes: "For the emperor, as a Byzantine shaped by Greek philosophy, this statement is self-evident. But for Muslim teaching, God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality." Here Khoury quotes a work of the noted French Islamist R. Arnaldez, who points out that Ibn Hazn went so far as to state that God is not bound even by his own word, and that nothing would oblige him to reveal the truth to us. Were it God's will, we would even have to practice idolatry.

My point is this, and Charles is spot on: Practice as we practice, on our terms, or... what? Submit? That's it in a nutshell. We have no options.

re: #37 tubbyhubby

re: #25 gymnast

Getting a letter making an offer of peace is like getting a weather report from Al Gore. You are threatened with doom in either case.

Ah, but which allied commander responded so succinctly with "Nuts!" (Works in both instances, as in "You are" or "A.G. is")

General Anthony McAuliffe, at Bastonge during the Battle of the Bulge.

I also like Marine Gen. Chesty Puller:
We're surrounded? Well that simplifies matters.

re: #9 tubbyhubby

Love the nic! LaaLaa? Po? TinkyWinky? Dipsy?

(Don't freak out. If I could withstand the Barry Manilow songs,...)

These Muslim scholars need to be going to the source of the reason there is not now peace between Muslims and Christians...their own suicidal Islamic leaders. It's followers of Islam,not Christianity,who are strapping on vests with explosives and blowing up innocent people. It's followers of Islam,not Christianity,who are calling for the destruction of other nations and their people. It's followers of Islam,not Christianity,who refuse to live in peace with other religions.

It's time for the Muslim scholars to sweep the terrorist trash out from under their own doorstep.

Is there a way we can give these people a state bordering the Vatican?

Cynical, Now that's an understatement if I ever hear one.

I trust these murderers as far as I can throw them and that is not very far. I say, send them all back to the sandbox and let us live as Americans.

Anyone who trusts these muslims is destined to be murdered and assures that the rest of us in America will follow.

I will never submit. Lock and load says it all.

It sez "bend over and spread 'em, here comes the boogie man"- it also sez 'resistance is useless- accept Islam and we will not annihilate you..'

“This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades.”
–Arab League Secretary General Azzam Pasha, May 15, 1948, the day five Arab armies invaded the new state of Israel, one day after the nation declared its independence

“The Arab nations should sacrifice up to 10 million of their 50 million people, if necessary, to wipe out Israel ... Israel to the Arab world is like a cancer to the human body, and the only way of remedy is to uproot it, just like a cancer.”
–Saud ibn Abdul Aziz, King of Saudi Arabia, Associated Press, Jan. 9, 1954

“I announce from here, on behalf of the United Arab Republic people, that this time we will exterminate Israel.”
–President Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt, speech in Alexandria, July 26, 1959

the survival of YOUR world is at stake. those of you w/ any awareness know this. the enlightened world is not going back to the age of darkness.

re: #45 Cap'n DOC

My point is this, and Charles is spot on: Practice as we practice, on our terms, or... what? Submit? That's it in a nutshell. We have no options.

We could assert the superiority of Western values and fight their vile and disgusting ideology.

More than 130 Muslim scholars from around the globe called on Thursday for peace and understanding between Islam and Christianity, saying “the very survival of the world itself is perhaps at stake.”

Well?

Are you gonna pull those pistols or whistle Dixie?

/Josey Wales

The Vatican retorts.....

Vatican cardinal praises letter from Muslim scholars to Christian leaders

"I would say that this represents a very encouraging sign because it shows that good will and dialogue are capable of overcoming prejudices," Tauran said.

The Vatican has been trying to improve relations with Muslims after remarks by Benedict in 2006 about Islam and violence angered Muslims.

I don't have high hopes that the Pope's response is going to be much better.

Anyone want to go through the names of signatories? I'm curious...

OKAY! I can't take the pressure! P-p-p-p-l-e-e-z-e don't hurt me. I'm converting to islam TOMORROW.

/fat chance

...on the basis of what is common to us...

We (meaning 'Christians', and Catholics specifically) have nothing in common with mohammedans.

Page 15 of the letter contains this paragraph........

Finally, as muslims, and in obedience to the holy qur'an, we ask Christians to come together with us on the common essentials of our two religions... that we shall worship none but God, and that we shall ascribe no partner unto Him, and that none of us shall take others for lords beside God

I interpret this as "asking" Christians to deny Jesus Christ, whom we believe to be the Son of God and a "partner" (as it were) with Him in the Trinity.

The muslims hold that Jesus was merely a prophet, and not even the last prophet -- that their mohamed followed and superceded Him.

They are "asking" Christians to accept that (wrong) interpretation.

And, yes, I agree with Charles that they are threatening violence, war, and even the end of the world if we do not accept their "invitation."

re: #51 sheik yer'mami

It sez "bend over and spread 'em, here comes the boogie man"- it also sez 'resistance is useless- accept Islam and we will not annihilate you..'

“This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades.”
–Arab League Secretary General Azzam Pasha, May 15, 1948, the day five Arab armies invaded the new state of Israel, one day after the nation declared its independence

“The Arab nations should sacrifice up to 10 million of their 50 million people, if necessary, to wipe out Israel ... Israel to the Arab world is like a cancer to the human body, and the only way of remedy is to uproot it, just like a cancer.”
–Saud ibn Abdul Aziz, King of Saudi Arabia, Associated Press, Jan. 9, 1954

“I announce from here, on behalf of the United Arab Republic people, that this time we will exterminate Israel.”
–President Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt, speech in Alexandria, July 26, 1959

George Bush 2003: "Bring em on"

re: #43 The Other Les

re: #29 kansas

Maybe I’m cynical (maybe?) but my initial impression of the Muslim scholars’ letter to Pope Benedict is that it’s a veiled threat.

Maybe I missed something, but it didn't sound veiled at all.

It was the work of a committee.

It's kinda hard to veil a threat when you're only as smart as your dumbest member.

A committee of the ignorant will do more damage in a heartbeat than a sane and knowledgeable man could do in a lifetime if he were to set his mind to damaging things.

The problem is the duality of Islam and the way they seamlessly blend a "call for peace" into an offer you can't refuse.

Several US professors are signataries.......

Here is the first part of a video version of the message to message of the Muslim scholars to Pope Benedict:

Here is the second part:

BTW, is it just me, or was the Muslim Scholars' message pretty poorly written and reasoned?

I didn't read the whole thing, or in fact any of it, lol, but my first impression when this surfaced the other day was...

Hey, Christians! Stop beating up on us and let's get together and fight the common enemy Israel instead!

or:

Please stop beating us up Christians.
Pretty please?
Pretty please with sugar on top?

also, are they ever going to realize that most westerners aren't all that religious?
we don't all listen to the Pope, for instance...

Is there any doubt that they want the world to convert to islam - or else?

re: #64 WimbledonWomble

Here is the first part of a video version of the message to message of the Muslim scholars to Pope Benedict:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Here is the second part:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

BTW, is it just me, or was the Muslim Scholars' message pretty poorly written and reasoned?

He learned his writing skills from the Koran...

Qur'an:47:4

"When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them.

At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens.

Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."

re: #58 Cap'n DOC

...on the basis of what is common to us...

We (meaning 'Christians', and Catholics specifically) have nothing in common with mohammedans.

The mohammedans hate it when we call them mohammedans.

re: #36 MandyManners

re: #14 Thanos

re: #12 MandyManners

FNDT!

Now there's a surah for me.

I have no idea what you just said but, I trust that it's good.

A surah is a verse from the Koran, mostly denoted "sura", I read the Paki papers and that's how they spell it.
It's sorta like jamia vs. jameyeh vs. jemiah

Remember the bee on the Pali kiddy show? Here's his sura.
[Link: www.sacred-texts.com...]

And at least one member of ISNA....

re: #53 ibrodsky

My point exactly. I 'spoke' for these mohammedan 'scholars' who have no grasp of how contradictory and irrational their belief system really is.

re: #69 ibrodsky

re: #58 Cap'n DOC

...on the basis of what is common to us...

We (meaning 'Christians', and Catholics specifically) have nothing in common with mohammedans.

The mohammedans hate it when we call them mohammedans.

Which is the best reason to call them mohammedans.

This is a post & run...

Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week
by chrisj (Koskid)

...

It saddens me that this kind of hate and propaganda continues:

The goal of the Islamo-Fascist jihad is world domination
The Islamo-Fasacist Jihad demands the suppression of all Infidels
The Islamo-Fascist Jihad is a war against Women
The Islamo-Fascist Jihad is a war against Gays
The Islamo-Fascist Jihad is a war against Christians
The Islamo-Fascist Jihad is a war against Jews
The Islamo-Fasacist Jihad is a war against non-religious people

Nevermind that they are trying to get college students to equate all Islam with terrorists -- the goal of jihad as stated by Al Queda and other groups is NOT world domination, but instead to fight against grievances real or imagined.

heh.

re: #68 mama winger

Qur'an:47:4

"When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens.

Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."

Why do you have to take them out of context?

/sarc

To the Muslim Scholars,

The Hall Is Rented. The Orchestra Engaged. Now It's Time To See If You Can Dance.

re: #68 mama winger

Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.

F that.

Bring it on.

Sorry I forgot the link
"Bring em on"

re: #30 MandyManners

Living in the Central Time Zone I'm already an hour behind you, but with enough beer I will catch up.
// {;-)™

'Context' is an arabic word that means "drat, my taquiyya has failed again!"

This is the part that cracks me up. They're gonna get worse?

Islam is already the Black Knight of Monty Pythons Holy Grail, militarily speaking...

STEP
RIGHT
UP,
R

re: #76 Jewels (AKA Julian)

To the Muslim Scholars,

The Hall Is Rented. The Orchestra Engaged. Now It's Time To See If You Can Dance.

I'd rather Rock and Roll.

(Loud metallic click.)

re: #65 FriarsTale

we don't all listen to the Pope, for instance...

This is a misperception not exclusive to Muslims.

Maybe the 130 Muslim scholars “understand” they have crazy Muslims in their midst and who want nukes to send all mankind to Allah, and this is a veiled warning? Just a thought?

Can't believe nobody's said this....

Sod off, Swampy!

there.

Ishaq:324

"He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'"

re: #83 MandyManners

That said, I'M NOT GONNA' ARGUE THEOLOGY.

re: #81 Render

This is the part that cracks me up. They're gonna get worse?

Islam is already the Black Knight of Monty Pythons Holy Grail, militarily speaking...

STEP
RIGHT
UP,
R

What are they going to do? Bleed on us?

Dear Islamist,

I do not intend to submit. Can we start the war now?

Cordially, and always loaded, your

Smiling Armed Infidel

re: #68 mama winger

Didn't get the e-mail, mama.

re: #74 NJDhockeyfan

OBL and company would laugh in his face, if he wasn't so useful to them.

TEXAS
TEA,
R

re: #86 mama winger

Ishaq:324

"He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'"

When this struggle is over Islam will be a religion that is practiced only in Hell.

Muslims say convert or die
Pope responds Templars can be reformed
Looks like the Crusades are back!

re: #88 The Other Les

re: #81 Render

This is the part that cracks me up. They're gonna get worse?

Islam is already the Black Knight of Monty Pythons Holy Grail, militarily speaking...

STEP
RIGHT
UP,
R

What are they going to do? Bleed on us?

After the suicide belt goes off...undoubtedly.
Arafat has proved the 'nibble me bum' bit...*throwup...*

re: #81 Render

This is the part that cracks me up. They're gonna get worse?

Islam is already the Black Knight of Monty Pythons Holy Grail, militarily speaking...

STEP
RIGHT
UP,
R

I thought Islam was the Knights Who Say Ni.

"Bring me a shrubbery" is just an allegory for submission.

re: #94 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #88 The Other Les

re: #81 Render

This is the part that cracks me up. They're gonna get worse?

Islam is already the Black Knight of Monty Pythons Holy Grail, militarily speaking...

STEP
RIGHT
UP,
R

What are they going to do? Bleed on us?

After the suicide belt goes off...undoubtedly.
Arafat has proved the 'nibble me bum' bit...*throwup...*

From what I've heard, Arafat's theme song could be "Sit On My Face."

OT
Iowahawk hits another homer.

Like quotes from the kkkoran are going to save the world...

re: #56 vxbush

CAIR signed it....

CAIR Joins in Message of Peace to Christian Leaders

re: #96 The Other Les

re: #94 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #88 The Other Les

re: #81 Render

This is the part that cracks me up. They're gonna get worse?

Islam is already the Black Knight of Monty Pythons Holy Grail, militarily speaking...

STEP
RIGHT
UP,
R

What are they going to do? Bleed on us?

After the suicide belt goes off...undoubtedly.
Arafat has proved the 'nibble me bum' bit...*throwup...*

From what I've heard, Arafat's theme song could be "Sit On My Face."

LOL! Great...now the song is stuck in my head.

So does this mean the French are armed with cows and will not let our English sparrows fly over their beloved homeland?

Next time, could you please put the da'wa on the side?

/Wading through as quickly as possible.

or maybe they were saying this

re: #93 infantrylincoln

Muslims say convert or die
Pope responds Templars can be reformed
Looks like the Crusades are back!

I wish for that, and I wish I was younger.

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Whoops; I missed that one.

Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued."

(Surah 9:27-)

re: #81 Render

Islam is already the Black Knight of Monty Pythons Holy Grail, militarily speaking...

No, no, no, they have Allah's Divine Spiders, first deployed in
Fallujah.

/and we all know what happened to the Marines in Fallujah

re: #82 The Other Les

re: #76 Jewels (AKA Julian)

To the Muslim Scholars,

The Hall Is Rented. The Orchestra Engaged. Now It's Time To See If You Can Dance.

I'd rather Rock and Roll.

(Loud metallic click.)

The Pope should reply with something along the lines of:
Dear terrorist scum,
The noise in the distance you will hear will not be thunder. The glows on the horizon you will soon see (briefly) will not be the rising of the Sun. The bright flashes of light you will see will not be lightning. But it will be one Hades of a storm non the less.
P.S. Teach you children a trade that involves glass. Quickly.
P.P.S. This is not red ink. It's pigs blood.

I have a better idea. Why don't these so-called "muslim scholars" get off their asses and do something about the violent muslim extremists? Oh, thats right - they have no problem with the violent muslims. It's the peaceful non-muslims they have a serious problem with. Fuck that!

/getting more pissed off now.

re: #69 ibrodsky

LOL. Logic escapes them.

I also gained every insight into mohammedanism from BOOKS, and have gleaned very little of value from the web, although I'm constantly learning things here. The meaning of i'jaz for instance. The radicals claim the koran is inimitable, and demand that it be taken as such. Moderates claim that there are 'many contradictions' contained within its covers, which just proves my point - as did Benedict - but they (meaning the mohammedans of whatever stripe) just blow him off.

re: #64 WimbledonWomble

BTW, is it just me, or was the Muslim Scholars' message pretty poorly written and reasoned?

Well, Islam, strictly speaking, wrote off "reason" centuries ago. "There is no need to study cause and effect, because everything is the will of Allah. If Allah wills an apple to fall upward, so be it." So I guess you can't really expect too much from one of their scholars.

#96 The Other Les

From what I've heard, Arafat's theme song could be "Sit On My Face."

Considering he died of AIDS (probably from boinking a camel) I'm not sure that's apropos.......

re: #96 The Other Les

re: #94 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #88 The Other Les

re: #81 Render

This is the part that cracks me up. They're gonna get worse?

Islam is already the Black Knight of Monty Pythons Holy Grail, militarily speaking...

STEP
RIGHT
UP,
R

What are they going to do? Bleed on us?

After the suicide belt goes off...undoubtedly.
Arafat has proved the 'nibble me bum' bit...*throwup...*

From what I've heard, Arafat's theme song could be "Sit On My Face."

Ah! Here we go!

[Not safe for work or family viewing]

re: #107 Killian Bundy

re: #81 Render

Islam is already the Black Knight of Monty Pythons Holy Grail, militarily speaking...

No, no, no, they have Allah's Divine Spiders, first deployed in
Fallujah.

/and we all know what happened to the Marines in Fallujah

Pretty pathetic when your civilizations high point was one thousand years ago and you still talk about it. Thats like wearing your high school football jersey when your 40.

"When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly."

Koran, 17:16-17

HLF's Financial Support of CAIR Garners New Scrutiny

An old financial bond between the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF) is generating new attention this week as jurors continue deliberating HLF's terror-support trial.

Five HLF officers are accused of illegally steering more than $12 million to Hamas-controlled charities in the West Bank and Gaza. CAIR is fighting its status as an unindicted co-conspirator in the case. Documents introduced into evidence indicate both HLF and CAIR were part of a Muslim Brotherhood committee in the U.S. created to help Hamas.

When it was formed, CAIR was helped out by $5,000 from HLF.

Author Doug Farah highlights the payment in a post about Holy Land trial exhibits that show the Muslim Brotherhood's secret activism in the U.S.

Matt Epstein, then the IPT's assistant director, cited the HLF donation to CAIR in Senate testimony delivered in 2003. Epstein cited CAIR's own IRS forms in backing up his claim. Awad denied this in written testimony given to the Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology, and Homeland Security.

"This is an outright lie," Awad said. "Our organization did not receive any seed money from HLFRD. CAIR raises its own funds and we challenge Mr. Emerson to provide even a shred of evidence to support his ridiculous claim."

Emerson did better than that. Through Epstein, he provided the Senate committee with HLF's original seed money to CAIR, drawn on a Saudi Arabian bank account.

In addition to Farah's report, the Web site Anti-CAIR posted a copy of the check itself this week, lest there be any doubt.

Awad's testimony wasn't the first time CAIR denied the HLF support. Earlier in 2003, during a deposition for a civil case, CAIR co-founder and then-chairman Omar Ahmad was asked, "Did they [HLF] give you any money to help start CAIR?" He responded unequivocally, "No."

A week after the Senate hearing, Awad offered a supplement to his original testimony: "CAIR is a nonprofit, grassroots organization. Our only source of income is through donations and the amount in question was a donation like any other."

Awad then attempted to minimize the significance of the CAIR/HLF money trail: "HLF was not indicted for any criminal activity at the time of its donation in 1994 and its assets were frozen by the Justice Department seven years later in December 2001." He added that HLF's "relatively small donation" came "seven years before any wrongdoing was attributed to Holy Land Foundation."

Transcripts from government surveillance tapes make clear, however, that CAIR's founders were fully aware of the support HLF leaders voiced for Hamas well before accepting the money.

Seriously, why be part of a religion where even as a member you will get stoned to death, beheaded, honour killed, maimed, killed again, buried and redug after you've been killed just be rekilled.

Necrophiliacs...

Nasrallah, "We love death more than life."

Abdullah sez:

[Link: sheikyermami.com...]

'No further comment..."

SecretIntDoBa: I had a similar thought about those guys that dye their beards with henna just like Mo did...

I sure hope that he replies back with the following
question: "Does 'making peace' require us to submit
to the tenets of your religion?" Not holdin' my breath or anything,
but a dude can hope, can't he?

Peace at any cost leads to the dark side humanity, peace at any cost leads to submission, submission leads to slavery, slavery leads to suffering.

//Channeling Yoda

no farther comment, sorry...

Nasrallah loves other people's deaths, and his own life.

re: #114 SecretInternetDoucheBag

Pretty pathetic when your civilizations high point was one thousand years ago and you still talk about it. Thats like wearing your high school football jersey when your 40.

There is a reason why they like to talk about the "golden age" of 1,000 years ago.

It's hard to fact-check.

/trust me, the only thing that made it a "golden age" was that it was the peak in their quest for world conquest.

Heyheyhey! My highschool football jersey still fits, dammit. Why shouldn't I wear it?

AHEM,
R

re: #115 mama winger

"When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly."

Koran, 17:16-17

Bring it on!

re: #104 sa trawler

re: #93 infantrylincoln

Muslims say convert or die
Pope responds Templars can be reformed
Looks like the Crusades are back!

I wish for that, and I wish I was younger.

There's a shortage of good mentors in the world for kids to look up to for guidance.

re: #124 ibrodsky

re: #114 SecretInternetDoucheBag

Pretty pathetic when your civilizations high point was one thousand years ago and you still talk about it. Thats like wearing your high school football jersey when your 40.

There is a reason why they like to talk about the "golden age" of 1,000 years ago.

It's hard to fact-check.

/trust me, the only thing that made it a "golden age" was that it was the peak in their quest for world conquest.

Uncle Rico, "If only I could go back to 1982. I could throw this football over a quarter mile..."

For Sale. Cut Rate to Muslim Scholars.
One Very Slightly Used Syrian Air Defense System.
(Latest in Russian Technology!)

My God, NBC actually believes in man-made Global Warming and that Gore is serious. How stupid are these people?

Here's where the cat climbs out of the bag:

The scholars state: "As Muslims, we say to Christians that we are not against them and that Islam is not against them - so long as they do not wage war against Muslims on account of their religion, oppress them and drive them out of their homes."

Why include that? Where in the world are Christians qua Christians routinely doing those things? Nowhere. But these are the things Muslims claim Jews are doing to the Palestinians. Message: Christians, abandon the Jews and embrace the Muslims or be held complicit in Jewish "crimes" against Muslims. Christians, throw Israel to the wolves; the survival of the rest of the world is at stake.

re: #130 pat

My God, NBC actually believes in man-made Global Warming and that Gore is serious. How stupid are these people?

It's gospel.
/

re: #130 pat

Well, don't get all Rathered up about it.

Whoops. Wrong alphabet. Wrong font.

re: #130 pat

My God, NBC actually believes in man-made Global Warming and that Gore is serious. How stupid are these people?

People will believe anything because they want to believe it's true or they're afraid it is true.

'Drive them out of their homes' is code for 'occupation' is code for Israel, existence of...

The obvious purpose of the thing is an attempt by the Muslims to try to gang up on the Jews. I don't know how anything can be more obvious than that.

re: #126 sa trawler

re: #115 mama winger

"When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly."

Koran, 17:16-17

Bring it on!

We're Ready!

re: #135 jaunte

'Drive them out of their homes' is code for 'occupation' is code for Israel, existence of...

I Heart Occupation.

It's Friday, we need some music

'Oppression' is a wild card; could be anything any muslim dislikes...

re: #139 Thanos

Perfect. More lies. At least I can dance to it.

The Pople should throw the letter back in their face. Politely of course. A letter like this should come after muslims straighten out their own religions.

Talk about hutzpa.

Benedict should say that when muslims get rid of the radical element in their religion, he will be happy to sit down with them and make nice-nice.

I am oppressed by people who complain about 'occupation' and aren't talking about their work...

All right. Having taken a look at it, my first reaction is that the Islamic world's major problems are not with Christianity. Rather they spring from within the Islamic world itself. On the other hand, Christendom's greatest challenges come from the Islamic world, in the challenges that Islam is presenting to the civilized world politically, religiously, ethically, and militarily. How far are Muslims willing to go to accept peace? Generally speaking, unconditional peace is only acheivable when all hope for gaining an advantage through warfare has been taken away. Muslims have not reached that point yet.

Second, one should ask- Is this an honest attempt to broker peace? If so, what do they intend to do to prove their credibility? Obviously, they have none. This is a clear effort to deceive by using passages out of context from the Gospels to further their position, while ignoring certain passages from the Koran which are of obvious concern to Christian and non-Christian Westerners alike.

Third, what are the facts behind the state of war that exists, according to them, between Islam and Christianity? Who decided that there was a war? When was this war declared? Who has advanced this war? How is Christianity supposedly participating in this war? The basic facts are that Islam has considered itself to be at war with the rest of the world, something which the rest of the world ignored until relatively recently. To understand the world wide scope of this war, draw a circle around the Islamic world, and you will see conflict everywhere it touches a non-Muslim country.

Fourth, this letter suggests that Muslims consider themselves to be in a position of strength. It would be wise to examine why they think that. One obvious possibility is that Western leaders have not responded as they should have to the challenges from the Muslim world. Another is that the western world is ideologically divided in the face of the challenges from Islam.

Fifth, there are cultural and historic undertones to this letter. Most I am not qualified to discuss, since my area of specialty is the Bible, and not the Koran. Is there not a tradition in Islam that the Muslims must ask for surrender before they begin a conquest? It looks like we are going to be in for some trials and tribulations in our near future.

In my humble opinion, we in Western Civilization need to do two things quite urgently. We need to turn to God, the real God of the Bible, and not the false God of Islam. Second, we need to convert the Muslims from their false religion.

The Islamic world is not going to get any better until they reject Islam and accept biblical Christianity.

Do we not get a tanker today, or am I thinking 'tomorrow' already?

re: #140 jaunte

'Oppression' is a wild card; could be anything any muslim dislikes...

Therefore:

I Heart Occupation that leads to Oppression.

/memo to self: add the Oppression to Shirt Line...

These doofi drone on for 20+ pages.

Bill Clinton droned on for hours.

Lincoln finished the Gettysburg address before the cameraman could set up his equipment.

Reagan summed up himself, communism, and the 1980s with "Tear down this wall."

Coincidence? I don't think so.

Brevity is not in their dictionary and surrender is not in ours.

I've been doing some thinking about islam and the West... America in particular.

For a couple of hundred years, America has welcomed immigrants to her shores. These immigrants brought new experiences and new insights, and as long as America insists upon assimilation, these new citizens will be a boon to our nation. The sum of the parts is greater than the whole... it is a classic growth situation.

Islam is different. The core of islam can be rightly seen as a zero sum game... every gain for them must come at the expense of another. Power must be theirs and theirs alone. The culture must be islamic, as must the law, the marriage, the school, the food, et cetera down the line... no room for the other, except as marginalized second class nobodies.

They bring nothing to the table save demands, they leave with other's freedoms in their pockets. The world view of islam is a doctrinally demanded zero sum game... winners and losers, and nothing more. And losing is haram. They add nothing of value when the come, and they destroy anything they cannot possess, control, or understand. Human locusts.

I guess what I'm saying is they have nothing I want. They have nothing I need. Any dealings with them end with me the lesser for the effort... and they insist it be this way. So I will resist all attempts to force a merger; all lies about commonality. I am not them, and I don't want to be.

re: #139 Thanos

I see your Waits and will raise you a
"and now for something different."

I can`t believe Bush isn`t falling over himself to once again tell us how "peaceful" Islam is,and how they are "reaching out" for peace and understanding...blah blah blah

re: #148 stevieray

That is a wonderful post. Truly good. Thank you!

I second stevieray, as a much slower typist...

Wait...Did the "Muslim Scholars" leave out the Jews?

Am I missing something ?

Sounds Like -

"Give Us All Your Base - Or We Will Kill You" - My Response - Yo, SEETHING JIHADI BOY - Get With The Program - At this Time Your Best Friend, Protector, and Benefactor is G.W. Bush - a Generally Civilized and Merciful Human Being. Be Glad that I am NOT President of the USA. Were I, the Ghengis Khan of J.F. Kerry lore would own all your base - and the OIL it is sitting over. That is all.

-S-

LSD (#116),

Thanks for the link.

re: #153 ted

Wait...Did the "Muslim Scholars" leave out the Jews?

Am I missing something ?

Yes. They are trying to drive a wedge between us.

i.e. ' don't side with those who throw us out of our homes and oppress us blah blah blah'

re: #130 pat

pat -

"Extremely AND Malignantly!" That is all.

-S-

re: #129 jaunte
Haha! Only 'slightly used'...you're killin' me.

for a religious lady, I sure drink a lot

hic

re: #131 Dead Sea Squirrel

Here's where the cat climbs out of the bag:

The scholars state: "As Muslims, we say to Christians that we are not against them and that Islam is not against them - so long as they do not wage war against Muslims on account of their religion, oppress them and drive them out of their homes."

Why include that? Where in the world are Christians qua Christians routinely doing those things? Nowhere. But these are the things Muslims claim Jews are doing to the Palestinians. Message: Christians, abandon the Jews and embrace the Muslims or be held complicit in Jewish "crimes" against Muslims. Christians, throw Israel to the wolves; the survival of the rest of the world is at stake.

It's like the Muslims who confronted Daniel Pipes at Wayne State.

"We're for peace and love. We just want to dismantle the apartheid state of Israel so we can create a true multicultural paradise in its place."

Muslim barbarians love to play with words. They've tried to commit jihad-genocide against Israel for 60 years... and make it sound like they are the ones under siege.

/Sorry folks, but I long ago disabused myself of the idea that this is all just a big misunderstanding. Islam is a vile ideology that must be fought and defeated. Unfortunately, right now we are letting them use twisted versions of Western ideas against us. I hope the West wakes up before it's too late.

re: #144 hrhamilton

How about you save the sermons for Sunday school. The day anyone in this world can dictate what religion someone chooses or practices is the day we are all united under one tyranny.

re: #144 hrhamilton

All right. Having taken a look at it, my first reaction is that the Islamic world's major problems are not with Christianity. Rather they spring from within the Islamic world itself. On the other hand, Christendom's greatest challenges come from the Islamic world, in the challenges that Islam is presenting to the civilized world politically, religiously, ethically, and militarily. How far are Muslims willing to go to accept peace? Generally speaking, unconditional peace is only acheivable when all hope for gaining an advantage through warfare has been taken away. Muslims have not reached that point yet.

Second, one should ask- Is this an honest attempt to broker peace? If so, what do they intend to do to prove their credibility? Obviously, they have none. This is a clear effort to deceive by using passages out of context from the Gospels to further their position, while ignoring certain passages from the Koran which are of obvious concern to Christian and non-Christian Westerners alike.

Third, what are the facts behind the state of war that exists, according to them, between Islam and Christianity? Who decided that there was a war? When was this war declared? Who has advanced this war? How is Christianity supposedly participating in this war? The basic facts are that Islam has considered itself to be at war with the rest of the world, something which the rest of the world ignored until relatively recently. To understand the world wide scope of this war, draw a circle around the Islamic world, and you will see conflict everywhere it touches a non-Muslim country.

Fourth, this letter suggests that Muslims consider themselves to be in a position of strength. It would be wise to examine why they think that. One obvious possibility is that Western leaders have not responded as they should have to the challenges from the Muslim world. Another is that the western world is ideologically divided in the face of the challenges from Islam.

Fifth, there are cultural and historic undertones to this letter. Most I am not qualified to discuss, since my area of specialty is the Bible, and not the Koran. Is there not a tradition in Islam that the Muslims must ask for surrender before they begin a conquest? It looks like we are going to be in for some trials and tribulations in our near future.

In my humble opinion, we in Western Civilization need to do two things quite urgently. We need to turn to God, the real God of the Bible, and not the false God of Islam. Second, we need to convert the Muslims from their false religion.

The Islamic world is not going to get any better until they reject Islam and accept biblical Christianity.

Sixth, turn their land to glass.

re: #153 ted

Wait...Did the "Muslim Scholars" leave out the Jews?

They're "imperfect".

re: #159 mama winger

for a religious lady, I sure drink a lot

hic

Dupre says, "Drink Up!"

/Sorry, just reminded me of my Ultima days...only the C64 Geeks will know...

I don't think the muslimscholars are aware of the counterseethe that has been building for the last six years.

And datadude, that air defense system? Its LIKE NEW I tellya!

re: #3 Irene NYC

130 muslims scholars? A contradiction in terms.

It more than a lightly veiled threat.

BINGO!

re: #161 SecretInternetDoucheBag

I thought his post was very thoughtful and well-presented.

Touchy much ?

re: #108 WayDownSouthInBama

The Pope could also answer with three simple words:
Islam, delenda, and est.

re: #159 mama winger

Just eat crackers with your wine and call it communion.

Some sax with chorus

re: #169 Killgore Trout

re: #159 mama winger

Just eat crackers with your wine and call it communion.

Oh Killgore........

what ever am I going to do with you ?

:) LOL

re: #73 jcm

re: #69 ibrodsky

re: #58 Cap'n DOC

...on the basis of what is common to us...

We (meaning 'Christians', and Catholics specifically) have nothing in common with mohammedans.

The mohammedans hate it when we call them mohammedans.

Which is the best reason to call them mohammedans.

Da_Beerfreak adds his 2¢
From an on-line dictionary:

Mu-ham-mad-an-ism (m-hm-d-nzm) also Mo-ham-med-an-ism (m-)
n. Offensive
The religion of Muslims; Islam.

How about adding mohama-fascist and mohama-fascism to the list of good words to use?

It's just like hearing the musselmen complaining when they saw Allah's name appearing in the swirls of on a brand of ice cream.

re: #164 Oh no...Sand People!

Great game.

re: #171 mama winger

:)
/I'm a stinker

I just had to post that Reagan speech over at my place, I gave you a hat tip Mama.

re: #175 Killgore Trout

You really are.

Hey - yesterday morning on FOX news I saw this lady giving lessons on how to train your cats to do tricks.

yeah.

okay.

:)

Hey, this talk of drinking gives me an idea! The Pope is German, isn't he? How about he invites the scholars over for schnitzel and a few quarts? A great way to show how accommodating they can be if they agree to sit in the same room...

re: #156 mama winger

"mama" -

As 850,000 JEWISH REFUGEES FROM ARAB LANDS WILL ATTEST! I am sure YOU will remember them. All y'all know - the ones that are ISRAELI CITZENS - and - DO NOT WEAR A BOGUS KEY AROUND THEIR NECKS - and -
DO NOT HAVE A DEDICATED UN AGENCY PERPETUATING THEIR
REFUGEEHOOD!

-S-

re: #167 mama winger

re: #161 SecretInternetDoucheBag

I thought his post was very thoughtful and well-presented.

Touchy much ?

Just when people argue that everyone should be united under Christianity and the world would be better off I kinda think something might be a little wrong.

Is there a prohibition against the unbelievers writing the Allah name?
Like the portrait ban?

Well, at least I'm impressed that the 130 scholars all think the pope has these super-duper powers.

Proving yet again that religious training involves having the faithful submit to having their brains sucked out of their heads, early in life.

O/T

Former Iraq commander General Sanchez disses War for Iraq.

He's only been out of the picture since July 2004, after all.

re: #176 Thanos

I just had to post that Reagan speech over at my place, I gave you a hat tip Mama.

Why thank you Thanos ! But rightfully it should belong to Little Winger. He, at the age of 21, is too young to remember Ronaldus Magnumus personally, but he is discovering him through tapes and segments on You Tube. He's currently looking thru his speeches, most notably the ones written by Peggy Noonan.

He is discovering the wonder that was Reagan.

Is this why the Empire State Building has been shrouded in green lights?

re: #181 jaunte

Is there a prohibition against the unbelievers writing the Allah name?
Like the portrait ban?

No, but putting it on a soccer ball will also cause riots and embassy burnings.

re: #148 stevieray

Excellent post stevieray!

I nominate that one for the Lizard Hall Of Noteworthy Posts.

re: #149 gamegrid
re: #149 gamegrid
Butthole Surfers, anyone? ("Can't get a tan..can't get a tan...")

re: #164 Oh no...Sand People!

"On...SP!"

I'm a VIC-20 kinda guy - l'chaim! That is all - for now.

-S-

re: #180 SecretInternetDoucheBag

I think there is very little question that if the muslims converted to Christianity, we would all be better off, believers and non-believers alike.

Wouldn't you agree?

Color me skeptical on this one as well.

The rabble-rousers, Islamic Jihadists, and child killers have yet to get the memo.

re: #187 Racer X

re: #148 stevieray

Excellent post stevieray!

I nominate that one for the Lizard Hall Of Noteworthy Posts.

I agree.

It's not all negative to be sure. It's as ecumenical a document as I've ever seen produced by Muslim clerics. Now let's see if it keeps anyone from decapitation, censorship, or a ball bearing in the gut.

re: #174 SecretInternetDoucheBag

re: #164 Oh no...Sand People!

Great game.

IV is my favorite game of all time. The Ultima series laid the foundation for all Japanese RPG's...even though every PS1,2,3 fanboy/girl will claim Japan is the holy grail of gaming...I disagree.

mamawinger:wasn't that an earlier Coulterism? Which I agree with...

re: #182 Carol Herman

Carol -

Oh, older sister - you make them sound so like - Partial Birth Abortions.

-S-

re: #151 mama winger

re: #152 jaunte

Aww shucks... *digs toe into the dirt* ...that means alot coming from you guys!

re: #183 rappmandu

O/T

Former Iraq commander General Sanchez disses War for Iraq.

He's only been out of the picture since July 2004, after all.

Actually, Sanchez was one of the affirmative action promotions. In Iraq during 2003. Where his leadership stank. And, we got Abu-Graib; and other disasters.

He's retired, now.

While, yes, the Pentagon has promoted idiots. Just like they promoted Wes-silly Clark.

ANd, gee, gosh oh golly. What we learned Lincoln had to put up with during the Civil War.

At least the turkey, Sanchez, is now retired.

re: #156 mama winger

re: #163 Killgore Trout

Mmmm..sounds like those "Muslim Scholars" are looking to recruit some allies.

I wonder what for?

re: #190 mama winger

No I would settle for them not trying to kill me or blame me for all their social ills. By the way though the world would arguably be better off if everyone converted to scientology but that aint going to happen.

re: #194 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #174 SecretInternetDoucheBag

re: #164 Oh no...Sand People!

Great game.

IV is my favorite game of all time. The Ultima series laid the foundation for all Japanese RPG's...even though every PS1,2,3 fanboy/girl will claim Japan is the holy grail of gaming...I disagree.

I just like how there was noone you could not kill in that game. You could kill anyone. I think it laid the foundation for Grand Theft Auto if you ask me.

re: #130 pat

My God, NBC actually believes in man-made Global Warming and that Gore is serious. How stupid are these people?

Global Warming is another BIG LIE from the totalitarian left in their attempt to steal our G-d given freedoms.

re: #200 SecretInternetDoucheBag

re: #190 mama winger

No I would settle for them not trying to kill me or blame me for all their social ills. By the way though the world would arguably be better off if everyone converted to scientology but that aint going to happen.

*as milk comes out of my nose from pure hilarity*

...no...'that aint going to happen.'

stevieray (#148),

Some good points.

The core of islam can be rightly seen as a zero sum game... every gain for them must come at the expense of another.

Well yes. Consider the source.

#148 stevieray

They bring nothing to the table save demands, they leave with other's freedoms in their pockets. The world view of islam is a doctrinally demanded zero sum game... winners and losers, and nothing more.

Exactly. Their right to swing their fist never ends.

I was once drunk where Ed Mahmoud once was drunk, while trying to read an L. Ron Hubbard novel.

re: #201 SecretInternetDoucheBag

Without a doubt. It was a big (albeit very limited) playground...so fun.

re: #47 MandyManners
BTW, not trying to be rude there. But you just went way over my head. Like the man said, "I yam what yam!"

re: #148 stevieray

stevieray -

They have about 60 - 70% of the world's proven reserves of OIL. That is the reason, and the ONLY reason we tolerate their "caca de toro." That is all until we can replace OIL as a source of Easily Gotten and Price Competitive Energy.

-S-

re: #198 Carol Herman

Sanchez was one of the affirmative action promotions.

Is that a hunch of yours, or is there some evidence? I'm perfectly willing to believe it, but I'd like to know if there's more.

Battlefield Band

OT, sorta...

Webcom of Empire State Building bathed in Dhimmi Green.

[Link: www.wirednewyork.com...]

When you dig into the details of the rules that muslims are supposed to follow, it's no wonder they're incurably touchy. Nothing makes sense, it's not consistent, and while the rules are detailed and persnickety, at the same time there is the insh'allah, and 'the Pen wrote' predestination overlay.

It's just a faulty, bug-ridden, poorly written piece of software for humans.

re: #196 Dr. Shalit

re: #182 Carol Herman

Carol -

Oh, older sister - you make them sound so like - Partial Birth Abortions.

-S-

What's this older sister stuff? Yes, I am a fan of abortions! And, my mom gave me the gift of no siblings. Early in life I learned parents love to have control over the among of mouths they produce, to feed.

As to the "partial birth" abortion stuff; you'd be surprised how nature, herself provides this. For instance, when at first the egg lands right over the cervical opening.

There are also other mishaps. What is really sad is when doctors hand off "kalikess" to parents who are not in the know. And, they're faced with the tragedies of raising kids "not entirely normal."

It was very old fashioned, but in the old days, when a woman was handed her baby, the first thing she did was look to see, and to count, fingers and toes.

The best solution remains choice.

Heck, in another venue, Arik Sharon "had a choice." But he listened, instead, to his doctors. Proving yet again, that in life, you need a lot of luck.

re: #206 jaunte

I was once drunk where Ed Mahmoud once was drunk, while trying to read an L. Ron Hubbard novel.

Sock?

re: #209 Dr. Shalit

re: #148 stevieray

stevieray -

They have about 60 - 70% of the world's proven reserves of OIL. That is the reason, and the ONLY reason we tolerate their "caca de toro." That is all until we can replace OIL as a source of Easily Gotten and Price Competitive Energy.

-S-

Like they'll stop selling it and get real jobs if we don't dhimmify? I think it's bought and paid for influence, not the oil itself. They'll sell at the market price like everyone else. OPEC can cut back if they want to price in alternatives.

re: #212 Brenda
Sorry, but I hate the NY skyline. And I most definitely do NOT appreciate the green.

Jammie: No, it was Battlefield Earth..

I made it to page 3.
My translation to hillbilly.
all y'all christians better quit badmouthing all us muslims because together we'uns, that's you'uns and us'uns, we all make up half of all the people on earth, that's we'uns and them others.
Now, if y'all don't quit badmouthing us, our moon god, illah, and our prophet, moohamhead, we will have to come kick all y'all's asses.
and here we quoth the quareen all the quothes that are reasonably peace abiding....

That's as far as I got. Please don't read it.

Charles You are insufferably cruel to dare me to read that, and You banned one of my most sneaky (and persistant) fans today.

Seriously, this letter is a declaration of war, and I would rather fight to the death than read that crap.

re: #213 jaunte

When you dig into the details of the rules that muslims are supposed to follow, it's no wonder they're incurably touchy. Nothing makes sense, it's not consistent, and while the rules are detailed and persnickety, at the same time there is the insh'allah, and 'the Pen wrote' predestination overlay.

It's just a faulty, bug-ridden, poorly written piece of software for humans.

Whatever the case, I like you.

re: #210 squarepeg

re: #198 Carol Herman

Sanchez was one of the affirmative action promotions.

Is that a hunch of yours, or is there some evidence? I'm perfectly willing to believe it, but I'd like to know if there's more.

If you want to argue affirmative action promotions how about Gen Karpinski the commander of the 800th MP BDE who was not only the first woman general in command of a Brigade in a combat zone but also the commander of the unit in charge of Abu Gharib. Then after she was forced to retire went on CNN and very ungeneral like blamed everyone else for the actions of people under her command.

Jammie, I don't understand the sock question.

re: #212 Brenda

OT, sorta...

Webcom of Empire State Building bathed in Dhimmi Green.

[Link: www.wirednewyork.com...]

Eh, it ticks me off more in the abstract. Not bad looking actually.

/slapping own face

re: #214 Carol Herman

Yes, I am a fan of abortions!

I don't think I have ever heard someone put it exactly that way before.

A fan ?

I hope everyone in New York is playing Irish music with their stereos set to 11.

A message for women in the Dar el Islam:

WE BRING YOU CHOCOLATE! AND FREEDOM!

(Gotta watch El Cid again soon.)

re: #225 jaunte

I hope everyone in New York is playing Irish music with their stereos set to 11.

Now a green Empire State on March 14. That I could celebrate!

re: #214 Carol Herman

And, they're faced with the tragedies of raising kids "not entirely normal."

Benedict will not be fooled. This is from a previous LGF post:

#179 True German Ally 4/20/2005 8:57:37 am PDT

Pope Benedict may come across as the Great Inquisitor, but he has never refused discussion and arguments. He is firm on the "essentials" of the Catholic faith. The German Catholic professors he suspended clearly violated the essential principles of Catholicism. He is an extremely intelligent, bright personality... a bit shy with people though. He won't pretend to have the charisma of JPII.

From my conversations with him in the late 70s, when he was archbishop of Munich, I learned a few things about him:

1) That he hated the Nazis even during his short time in the Hitler Youth. He was a nominal member, but was exempted weeks after his compulsory joining because of his fragile health and studies in the Catholic seminary (many boys actually joined Catholic institutions to avoid service in the HJ.) His teen years had a lasting effect on him as he was able to see the difference between reality and what the Nazis taught. His love for truth and being truthful all the time stems from this early experience.

2) He was a progressive Catholic in his early year (played an important role at the 2nd Vaticanum), but the intolerance of 1968 made him change his mind. He abhorred communism and the carefree nihilist thinkings in these times and became a conservative, but not a reactionary, as many claim.

3) He saw the dangers of Islamic fanatism in the 70s already. Khomeini was a menetekel for him. At this time he didn't see Islam so much as a threat for Europe (yet), but for Asia and Africa.

4) He is more a friend of the Jews than most other Catholic priests. I remember him saying that Christians and Jews are on the same direction to salvation, just on different paths. Islam instead was an aberration that would lead humanity into a religious "dead end street" (Sackgasse was his exact word). He strongly favoured a rapprochement between the Catholic and Jewish faith, but didn't see any common ground between Christianity and Islam.

And yes, I think, we'll see a few surprises from him in the next years. I had to chuckle when I heard the Chicoms demands today. Oh boy, they are messing with the wrong guy here.

Benedict of Nursia one restored the Christian faith in a devastated Europe. Commentators have focussed much on Benedict XV as the closest role model of Ratzinger. But I think he's much closer to Benedict XIV.

[Link: [Link: www.newadvent.org...]...]

And yes, he loved the "Apfelmaultaschen" (pasta made with potato flour, filled with apples and powder sugar and cinnamon on top) my wife prepared for him :-)

They look like this:
[Link: [Link: www.donau.de...]...]

I guess you won't find this detail on CNN :-)

re: #225 jaunte

I hope everyone in New York is playing Irish music with their stereos set to 11.

HELL YES!

We could just propose an extension of St. patrick's day to follow eid around!

Sorry, Patrick with a P

#161

I would think that on a thread about Christian and Muslim warfare, you can expect to hear the Christian position, which I am more than happy to present. I also believe it. The only thing I left out is that part of resisting evil is pushing back when they push you. Without getting into a theological discussion, there is plenty of reason to believe that Jesus was not a pacifist in every situation. Possibly, Islam may be on the verge of finding out what warfare with Christiandom really is.

On a personal note, if I feel like preaching, which I do every day, I'll do it. I am not asking your permission. It is a little thing called freedom of speech, which we need more of. Freedom of speech leads to the free exchange of ideas, with no limits on what ideas are acceptable, and which are not. If you do not want to participate, do not.

re: #209 Dr. Shalit

re: #148 stevieray

stevieray -

They have about 60 - 70% of the world's prooven reserves of OIL. That is
the reason, and the ONLY reason we tolerate their "caca de toro." That
is all until we can replace OIL as a source of Easily Gotten and Price
Competitive Energy.

-S-

America could have been non-dependent on the arabs for oil. But 30 years ago, we stopped building nuclear plants. (France is 80% nuclear.)

We also don't drill "off shore," be it California, and Florida. So the question came up during the last debate. Guiliani said he wouldn't force a state to drill. That would be left to the state politicians. But he did say, that just like Americans landed a man on the moon, back when Kennedy was President; we could do the same if we just turned our focus to energy!

When Sputnik went up, all they had done, in terms of experimentation, here, was with bottle rockets. (Feynman spoke of what he was doing when he was ten years old.) I think he meant his parents were sure to carry more, rather than less, fire insurance.

And, today, too, Guiliani congratulated gore on his peace prize; but then added "thanks for the message, however you are way to hysterical."

Which describes gore's bullshit to a T.

THe 130 "muslim scholars" are also bullshit artists.

"Let us vie with each other only in righteousness and good works."

Great! Let's see the Muslims vie with Christians to put into practice the Teachings of the Glory of God!

Vie with each other to promote the One-ness of Humankind, the Equality of Men & Women; the validity of rational, logical thought and self-determination; the need for education, to draw out the heavenly attributes latent in mankind; the need for honesty, forthrightness and trustworthiness in human dealings, and above all, Courtesy and Justice as the standards guiding us today.

Sure, Muslims, reflect the Glory of God in your daily actions... fine with me!

re: #184 mama winger

re: #176 Thanos

I just had to post that Reagan speech over at my place, I gave you a hat tip Mama.

Why thank you Thanos ! But rightfully it should belong to Little Winger. He, at the age of 21, is too young to remember Ronaldus Magnumus personally, but he is discovering him through tapes and segments on You Tube. He's currently looking thru his speeches, most notably the ones written by Peggy Noonan.

He is discovering the wonder that was Reagan.

Reagan on the SCHIP bill.
Okay not really the SCHIP, but same thing. 1961 it's deja vu all over again.

re: #222 jaunte

Jammie, I don't understand the sock question.

Your few comments since registration made me suspect sockpuppetry. I'll assume you know what that means.

Nothing beats a good pop song... why the west will win in the end. We are the cultural borg.

re: #214 Carol Herman

re: #196 Dr. Shalit

re: #182 Carol Herman

Carol -

Oh, older sister - you make them sound so like - Partial Birth Abortions.

-S-

What's this older sister stuff? Yes, I am a fan of abortions!

Wow. I have a shirt I am working on.

"Help eradicate the Democratic Vote: Vote Pro Choice!"

/since 'in theory' (haven't read numbers on it, but it is a logical hunch) libs kill their own more than young scared conservatives who made a bad choice and choose adoption as a viable alternative.

re: #200 SecretInternetDoucheBag

re: #190 mama winger

No I would settle for them not trying to kill me or blame me for all their social ills. By the way though the world would arguably be better off if everyone converted to scientology Christianity but that aint going to should happen.

#237 Jammie, I'm just not very practiced in commenting online. I was practising for a while on a Youtube thread before coming here.

re: #210 squarepeg

re: #198 Carol Herman

Sanchez was one of the affirmative action promotions.

Is that a hunch of yours, or is there some evidence? I'm perfectly willing to believe it, but I'd like to know if there's more.

Same formula that gave Wes-silly Clark his stars.

The Pentagon is famous for its games.

And, the lackluster back-scratchers that get promoted.

Sanchez' performance came during the time period Brenner got to Iraq; and terror started WHOLESALE! Bush had few solutions. Until, Sanchez got kicked out.

How do you kick out a lousy general? You send him into retirement.

If you want to read about about a bad general read this. Ridiculous that woman was ever put in charge of anything other than a Photo booth at Walmart.

re: #239 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #214 Carol Herman

re: #196 Dr. Shalit

re: #182 Carol Herman

Carol -

Oh, older sister - you make them sound so like - Partial Birth Abortions.

-S-

What's this older sister stuff? Yes, I am a fan of abortions!

Wow. I have a shirt I am working on.

"Help eradicate the Democratic Vote: Vote Pro Choice!"

Wanna make a better shirt? Let the republicans keep up their social crusade and elect Hillary Clinton.

/since
'in theory' (haven't read numbers on it, but it is a logical hunch)
libs kill their own more than young scared conservatives who made a bad
choice and choose adoption as a viable alternative.

Nobody cares like CAIR. They CAIR us all to death.

re: #243 SecretInternetDoucheBag

Amen!

Dhimmi-tude in action...

re: #211 Thanos

Battlefield Band

I like it.

I'll believe CAIR and the other "representatives" of the Islamics when they stop talking about "Christians" and start talking about "all other monotheist religions, including the Jews. Until then, I have ti assume that any appeal only to Christians is an attempt to marginalize Jews and drive a wedge between Christians and Jews.

I know of no other religion that makes lying into an art form, and where doctrine allows deceit where other faiths are concerned. To paraphrase Ben Franklin, Christians and jews had better hang together, because if they don't, they most assuredly will hang separately.

re: #244 Carol Herman

Wanna make a better shirt? Let the republicans keep up their social crusade and elect Hillary Clinton.

Well, it would remove all doubt as to what to expect...

(trying to find a silver lining somewhere...)

re: #221 SecretInternetDoucheBag

re: #210 squarepeg

re: #198 Carol Herman

Sanchez was one of the affirmative action promotions.

Is that a hunch of yours, or is there some evidence? I'm perfectly willing to believe it, but I'd like to know if there's more.

If
you want to argue affirmative action promotions how about Gen Karpinski
the commander of the 800th MP BDE who was not only the first woman
general in command of a Brigade in a combat zone but also the commander
of the unit in charge of Abu Gharib. Then after she was forced to
retire went on CNN and very ungeneral like blamed everyone else for the
actions of people under her command.

EXACTLY!

Above Karpinski was Sanchez! Birds of a feather flocked together.

re: #246 sa trawler

Yeah she was so bad the 800th MP BDE stood down shortly after she left. I mean imagine being such a bad general that they not only retire you, but the entire unit you commanded.

Dear CAIR and 137 other Muslim leaders and scholars,

You seem to have made a mistake. You sent a letter to us calling for brotherly love, and an end to hatred. As everyone with eyes to see and ears to hear can tell, that message is already nearly universal across all of Christendom. There are no Christian churches encouraging Christians to hate or attack Muslims (if you know of any, then please let us know -- we do not tolerate that). The only place that such messages of hate and violence are heard is in large portions of Islam. And in case you haven't yet noticed, thousands of people have been slaughtered in the name of Islam, all around the world, all within the last ten years or so, thanks to Muslim leaders encouraging Muslims to do so. And so, might we suggest that you send that same letter to all Muslim leaders around the world, addressed to them. And if they reject that offer of brotherly love, can we count on you to join us in pushing such people out of any respectable place in society? Otherwise, it's impossible take you seriously.

re: #223 Beagle

re: #212 Brenda

OT, sorta...

Webcom of Empire State Building bathed in Dhimmi Green.

[Link: www.wirednewyork.com...]

Eh, it ticks me off more in the abstract. Not bad looking actually.

/slapping own face

[Slapping Beagle's face]

NEXT?

to promote understanding between Muslims and Christians worldwide.

As long as Christians continue to be so easily deceived, reach out to their enemies, and turn the other cheek, this should work out just swell.

And don't make a fuss, or else. Understand? (That's where the understanding part comes in.)

Yes, this arrangement should work out swimmingly. Strange no one had thought of it sooner. Now waiting for Christians and Catholics around the world to begin heaping praise on such a monumental gesture of peace.

Let Saudi Arabian be the first to show how they'll embrace this newfound brotherhood and light the way for the rest of the world.

Or not.

Muslin scholars were so much easier to understand a few years ago when the simply said, "We want to kill you more than you want to live."