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From the H-Bomb to the Human Bomb

Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 10:52:39 pm PDT

At City Journal, Andre Glucksmann, a top advisor to French president Nicolas Sarkozy and one of the few outright defenders of the US in France, argues that the West needs to show vigilance against the existential threat of the human bomb and modern terrorism: From the H-Bomb to the Human Bomb.

Astrophysicists have found, wandering in the starry expanse, certain black holes. When faraway stars come into contact with them, the stars disappear, along with their planets, swallowed by bottomless darkness. From the beginning, human civilizations have existed alongside analogous moral abysses, which foreshadow an end of all things. According to tradition, such annihilation suggests a jealous and vengeful divinity, or malevolent demons.

In their endeavor to understand the black holes that threaten societies, the inventors of Western philosophy, comparing them to natural cataclysms, earthquakes, volcanoes, and epidemics, refused to see in them a supernatural sanction or to deny the responsibility of mortals. If God is not a cause, the darkness that threatens to overtake humanity is human, irreducible to an impersonal fate. The destructive principle inheres in us, whether we know it or not—this is the persistent message of the tragedians. Hate moves like Thucydides’s plague, not a purely physiological condition but an essentially mental disorder, which takes over bodies, minds, and society. The idea of a contagion of hatred must be taken literally: hatred spreads hatred, an outbreak that inoculates itself against all who oppose it.

Maybe one day, we will view the last century with nostalgia, even if it was dealt Auschwitz and Hiroshima. For today’s terrorism strives to mix these two ingredients into new cocktails of horror. During the cold war, the threat to man was dual: one, between two blocs, involved reciprocal annihilation; the other, terrorist, confined the savage extermination of civilian populations to the interior of each camp. Today, global terrorism eliminates geostrategic borders and traditional taboos. The last seconds of the condemned of Manhattan, of Atocha, and of the London Underground sent us two messages: “Here abandon all hope,” the Dantesque injunction carried by a bomb that wipes the slate clean; and “Here there is no reason why,” the nihilist gospel of SS officers. Hiroshima signified the technical possibility of a desert that approaches closer and closer to the absolute; Auschwitz represented the deliberate and lucid pursuit of total annihilation. The conjunction of these two forms of the will to nothingness looms in the black holes of modern hatred.

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1 somaking  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 10:56:19pm

I won't be the first to say "Right On" France!

2 konservo  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 10:56:56pm

Deep. Very Nietzschean.

3 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 10:57:08pm
4 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 10:58:17pm

#3 Song and Dance.

God has nothing to do with the threatening. It's his followers that often get it wrong...

5 konservo  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 10:59:26pm

Oh, he's citing Sartre and Merleau-Ponty, no wonder it reminded me of Nietzsche.

6 pat  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 10:59:27pm

Yep. And I am so glad others see the threat. All of Islam is evil. It could be saved, but it has no wish. They are the marching morons which wish to turn off the lights forever. Even the Islamic secularists are nothing but cannon fodders for the village Imams that follow. And our government is fooled.

7 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 10:59:40pm
...the darkness that threatens to overtake humanity is human...

I hope I'm not taking that out of context, but the darkness that is mohammedanism is inhumanity wearing a Black mask.

8 Racer X  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:00:16pm

Huh?

It's deep how I can be so shallow.

9 Jimmy The Clam  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:00:24pm

I liked this part best.

A better definition of terrorism is a deliberate attack by armed men on unarmed civilians. Terrorism is aggression against civilians as civilians, inevitably taken by surprise and defenseless. Whether the hostage-takers and killers of innocents are in uniform or not, or what kind of weapons they use—whether bombs or blades—does not change anything; neither does the fact that they may appeal to sublime ideals. The only thing that counts is the intention to wipe out random victims. The systematic resort to the car bomb, to suicide attacks, randomly killing as many passersby as possible, defines a specific style of engagement. When, after Saddam Hussein’s fall, terrorist attacks multiplied in Iraq, they spared no one, especially not Iraqis: schoolchildren in buses or on sidewalks, men and women at the market, the faithful at prayer.

When the naive, the falsely naive, and the downright evil blur categories in support of their ideological prejudices and christen the killer of innocents a “resistance fighter,” more lucid minds disclose a different landscape. Consider an editorial published in a Lebanese paper on August 20, 2003, the day after a bomb-laden cement truck destroyed the United Nations’ center of operations in Baghdad: “Yesterday’s operation against the Baghdad headquarters of the United Nations exemplifies this mentality of destruction. Expel all mediators. Banish every international organization. Let things collapse. Let electricity and water be cut off, and the pumping of oil cease. Let theft prevail. Let universities and schools close. Let businesses fail. Let civic life cease. And at the end of the day the occupation will fail. ‘No!’ protests Joseph Samara, ‘at the end of the road, there will be a catastrophe for Iraq. . . . The attack against the United Nations’ headquarters in Baghdad belongs to another world: it is a form of nihilism, of absurdity, and of chaos hiding behind fallacious slogans, which proves the convergence among those responsible for this action, their intellectual limitation and their criminal behavior.’ ”

10 straitcircle  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:00:47pm

Last paragragh lost me.

11 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:00:50pm
12 zombie  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:01:12pm

Nice quotes from Glucksmann!

Has there already been an LGF thread today about Sarkozy's amazing pro-Israel comments? (I've missed many of the threads). If not, they would go great with this Glucksmann stuff.

13 somaking  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:03:34pm

re: #9 Jimmy The Clam

Sounds like the Left's modus operandi.

14 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:05:56pm

re: #9 Jimmy The Clam

The UN was not the only organization that was 'forced' out of Iraq. The Red Crescent Society was as well - bombed out.

15 Kaintuck  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:12:04pm

Melanie Phillips has an excellent article in this issue of the City Journal on the recent rise in Anti-Semitism in Britain, but the article isn't available from their (City Journal) website.

So I have a recommendation:

SUBSCRIBE!

[Link: www.city-journal.org...]

It's worth the little bit of $ or [unable to make alternate currency signs at the moment] to get your own hard copy.

Some of the best analysis and reading you'll find these days.

K. (willingly unpaid promoter)

16 Dead Sea Squirrel  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:12:12pm

I detect traces of theologian Karl Barth in this:

The conjunction of these two forms of the will to nothingness looms in the black holes of modern hatred.

In trying to explain the existence of evil in a universe controlled by an all-good and all-powerful God, Barth articulated the concept of Das Nichtige ("the Nothing"). Nothingness has a certain strange existence in that God has said an emphatic "No!" to it. To choose to create anything is to choose not to create certain other things as part of it or attending it. For God to conceptualize and reject unused possibilities bestows a strange quasi-existence on it, and Das Nichtige becomes a "thing" anti-God and anti-everything God wills.

"Evil" is drawing upon and putting oneself in service to Das Nichtige. Evil cannot help in the end throwing itself into violent incoherence and obliteration, but those who come out of God's good creation and enslave themselves to the Nothing inevitably seek to draw the creation with them into it. The seduction of evil. Madness. Death.

Going into God's "No."

17 pat  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:16:26pm

OT
Dollar say the asshole is a Muslim.
[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]
Just their style.

18 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:18:05pm
19 Fjordman  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:20:25pm

Glucksmann has long been one of the saner voices in France.

20 konservo  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:22:39pm

re: #16 Dead Sea Squirrel

The phrase "will to nothingness," however, can be found in Nietzsche's explanation of European Nihilism in Beyond Good and Evil. He states that with "the death of God" (or when men stop believing in God) comes the deification of "nothing" and eventually men start to worship "the nothing" (basically Nihilism takes over).

21 Kaintuck  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:22:48pm

re: #18 buzzsawmonkey

I believe the point he was trying to make was the difference between wars between nation-states and the new type of war between a nation-state and some goat-throttling pervert living in a hole.

But I might be wrong.

22 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:25:36pm
23 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:27:36pm
24 Dead Sea Squirrel  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:32:55pm

Actually, if we're going to get theological, I prefer some older quotes that always remind me of our smug elites:

You have said, "We have made a covenant with Death, and with Hades we have made a pact. The overwhelming flood will not reach us when it passes by, for we have made falsehood our refuge and we have concealed ourselves with deception."

Your covenant with Death shall be cancelled. And your pact with Hades shall not stand. When the overwhelming scourge passes through, then you will become its trampling.

--Isaiah 28:15, 18

Because God did not make death, and he does not delight in the death of the living. For he created all things that they might exist, and the generative forces of the world are wholesome, and there is no destructive poison in them; and the dominion of Hades is not on earth...
But ungodly men by their words and deeds summoned Death; considering him a friend, they pined away, and they made a covenant with him, because they are fit to belong to his party.

--Wisdom of Solomon 1:14-16

25 Dead Sea Squirrel  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:35:46pm

buzzsaw's point is well-taken, I think.

26 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:38:13pm

Excellent.

Translated French always reads a little clunky to me, but that can't be helped.

re: #9 Jimmy The Clam

I liked this part best.
A better definition of terrorism is a deliberate attack by armed men on unarmed civilians.

Yep. My personal definition of a terrorist is something like "A non-uniformed, legally unaccountable aggressor who deliberately attacks non-combatants in order to influence policy".

As I see it, the differences between terrorists and soldiers (for any leftists who might be reading, read real careful-like) are:

1. Uniforms identifying the wearer as a member of an organized armed body.
2. Legal accountibility of said body to a court system.
3. The armed body in question targets other combatants, not non-combatants (i.e. "innocent civilians", which is something of an emotionally laden term and not legally accurate, IMO).

Under this set of definitions the closest thing to real legitimate "resistance" in Iraq would be the 1920 Brigades, who allegedly wore identifying markings, attacked only army and police as a matter of policy, and were supposedly fighting for the establishment of an Islamic Iraqi state, if Michael Totten's description of them was accurate.

Notice that this three-axis definition puts Al Queda, the Palestinians, the Iranian proxy groups, etc. firmly in the "terrorist" category.

27 konservo  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:40:29pm

re: #23 buzzsawmonkey

re: #21 Kaintuck

That may be the point he was trying to make--but in the excerpt quoted by Charles atop this thread, he equates Auschwitz and Hiroshima in the same sentence. That is garbage.

The very title "From the H-bomb to the Human Bomb" is intended as a piece of clever wordplay; believe me, I know the earmarks of that and the temptation to indulge in it, as I have posted my share and more of puns, rhymes and interesting turns of phrase here. But look at what it does; it places the H-bomb, a defensive weapon which has never been used against anyone, anywhere--and which bought fifty years free of global war--on a moral equivalency continuum leading to "the human bomb," aka the terrorist suicide bomber. That is quite simply wrong.

I think he's trying to say that the potential destructive force of the H-bomb, when accompanied by the terrorist's potential for evil, is what will lead to annihilation.

However, I do agree that he misconstrues the role the H-bomb has played over the past 50 years.

28 nyexpat  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:42:38pm

re: #24 Dead Sea Squirrel

I think what he is getting at here is the ability of either to destroy society as a whole. I agree with you that there is a clear difference between a weapon wielded only as a threat, in order to preserve society, and a determined resolve to destroy society by any means that can be found (which explains, I guess, why the left finds Islam so compelling).

29 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:45:21pm
Hiroshima signified the technical possibility of a desert that approaches closer and closer to the absolute; Auschwitz represented the deliberate and lucid pursuit of total annihilation.

His meanings are explained right there.

Hiroshima was a horror. A necessary and useful horror, yes, but an absolute monstrosity to end all monstrosities (literally), just the same. The demonstrated phenomenon of entire cities burned out of existence in fractions of a second is what he means to portray as a trauma, not the military & political context of the bombings.

30 nyexpat  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:47:46pm

re: #26 Pawn of the Oppressor

By your definition, Our troops are terrorists- after all we all know that they target civilians, and that their Commander in Chief holds himself above all legal authority!
/moonbat off

31 marisa  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:49:04pm

re: #17 pat

This guy seems to be your average Catalan racist. I can't find any information about him being a Muslim. I only read that he mentioned the word "moro" (muslim) while he was talking on the phone before he attacked the girl.

32 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:51:26pm

Further thoughts on my definition of terrorism at #26: My definition also gives lie to the leftist/Mike al-moor-esque BS about terrorists being "like our founding fathers".

1. Our revolutionary forces wore uniforms. Or, more accurately (and tactics of shooting in lines aside), they were distinguishable from the British because of their lack of good standard uniforms (!).
2. Soldiers in the Continental Army were legally accountible for bad behavior.
3. Murdering non-combatants was not in the cards.

33 Buster Bunny  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:52:15pm

There are things worth fighting for.

To protect the sanctity of what you exist for, and what you live for.

These terrorists are nothing more than bully boys who need to be taught a lesson, one way or the other.

If appeased they will just be .... bully boys until someone gets hurt.

RECOGNISE THIS AND GET SOMETHING DONE BEFORE THEY DO !

34 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:53:10pm

re: #17 pat

OT
Dollar say the asshole is a Muslim.
[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]
Just their style.

I don't know about that.

You know what chaps me, is that chump sitting in the foreground looking the other way while some fucking street punk molests and kicks a teenaged girl.

A street punk, furthermore, who's off-balance, distracted, and with one ear glued to the phone.

35 pat  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:53:22pm

re: #31 marisa

Yeah, moro. But I would have dated her if I was younger. We will learn more. He is in custody.

36 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 22, 2007 11:56:41pm
37 pat  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:04:01am

OK. Another topic. Gibson dissects Neal Gabler ( The Gobbler). For you who do not know Neal, he is a liar on the order of Colmes, but a bit more clever. His trick in a debate is to cite a statistic or fact out of the blue that no one knew was coming. Then claim victory. You know what I mean.

Pat: "Civilian and Military deaths in Iraq were down in September, I think the surge might have an impact".

Neal: "Nonsense. The October floods caused the usual increase in Muslim peace activities, and I have it on good authority that most American and all Irish, British, and Polish troops were kept in barracks during the entire month of September."

Pat: "Neal, I will try to get back to you on that."

38 straitcircle  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:13:20am

I cannot figure it out. But lets turn the encoded message around

First strait forward: From the H-Bomb to the Human Bomb

Now reverse the encoded message: The Human Bomb to the H-Bomb

That describes Mahmud’s desires.

39 somaking  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:19:42am

re: #15 Kaintuck

Wow. The other guy just sat there like a coward.

Just like the ISLAMOFACISTS expect left-tards to behave. And they oblige like dogs.

Such weakness, fostered by leftist ideology, embraced by Democrats. LOSERS.

40 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:22:40am

Excuse me, but North Korea hasn't tested any atomic bomb succesfully, much less Iran. Any talk of

hydrogen

devices in the same sentence as Iran or North Korea, is bull[expletive deleted].

/those are exclusively big boy weapons

41 Arbalest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:23:29am

Would it be inappropriate of me to point out at this time that more people died in Ted Kennedy's car than any hydrogen bomb explosion, or in fact in all hydrogen bomb explosions?

If we're going to take a trip into moral-equivalency, this is one stop we should make.

42 Render  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:28:33am

re: #37 pat

He has *what* on good authority? I suspect Yon, Totten, and Roggio can prove otherwise. Quite convincingly.

===

Ridiculous. They're lying right to us. We know they're lying right to us. They know that we know they're lying right to us. Yet they persist...

FEH,
R

43 somaking  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:28:48am

re: #29 Pawn of the Oppressor

Umm. The Japanese where warned, REPEATEDLY. They refused to surrender, even after the first A-bomb.

They're leaders are responsible for not ending the war sooner.

44 Render  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:30:20am

re: #43 somaking

...and for starting the damn thing in the first place.

OCTOBER
RUST,
R

45 uptight  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:32:53am

off topic

INFIDELS - a photoshop challenge to portray how Islamofascists see (or are taught to see) the West.

Seven pages up already. Some are anti-US, most most are on the right side of the fence and quite hilarious.

46 konservo  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:34:08am

He's not saying that the H-bomb and Islamofascists are somehow morally equivalent, he's saying that Islamofascists have wet dreams about using nuclear WMD on entire populations of people. Although they do not have the technology now, that does not mean we shouldn't take preventative action.

This is meant to be a wake-up call to ignorant folks who don't see terrorists as a real threat.

47 blackpajamas  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:34:45am

Did somebody say, "black holes that threaten societies"?

48 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:39:13am

re: #46 konservo

He's not saying that the H-bomb and Islamofascists are somehow morally equivalent, he's saying that Islamofascists have wet dreams about using nuclear WMD on entire populations of people. Although they do not have the technology now, that does not mean we shouldn't take preventative action.

This is meant to be a wake-up call to ignorant folks who don't see terrorists as a real threat.

Our intelligence/military leadership aren't stupid.

/as much as our external and internal enemies would like you to believe

49 konservo  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:49:12am

re: #48 Killian Bundy

Oh I know. It ticks me off when I hear libs argue that '[insert Islamofascist nation here] should be allowed to pursue nuclear power' and 'America isn't the police of the world.'

50 blackpajamas  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:49:55am

HILLARY CLINTON TO STAR IN FEATURE FILM!

Filming has already begun on Hillary's Hollywood blockbuster, featuring Will Smith and Gene Hackman in, Enemy of the Nanny State.

"Mary Jo, Russell and their family are doing everything right. They're working hard, they're serving our country, they're taking responsibility for themselves and taking care of each other."

Clearly, they're not taking care of others, if they're not paying enough taxes.

Enter the Hillaric Avenger!

"There are millions of families like them struggling and coming up short in an economy that just doesn't work for middle class Americans any longer."

See Hillary uproot and change our ENTIRE ECONOMY! And just to make things right.

"Today I would like to outline several of the challenges that this economy and our people face: globalization, rising income inequality, the growing housing crisis, all at a time of unprecedented fiscal irresponsibility in Washington."

(1) Find out Who Hillary's people really are!

(2) Find out when exactly our gov't was fiscally responsible!

(3) Find out why home loans to illegal aliens that didn't have gov't sponsored translators, real estate agents, and mortgage lenders are totally bogus!

(4) Find out how Globalization should raise our children, instead of our prosperity!

"This administration has failed to respond to these challenges and in fact, many of their policies have made things worse. I will chart a new course as President."

Watch as Hillary's administration oversees the entire housing market!

[Ed: Mao had the Greap Leap Forward, Hillary's got the Great Train Wreck Sideways].

"We have to change our economic course just as we have to change course in Iraq,"

[Ed: We're winning in Iraq stupid].

[Ed: Actually, the locals (with a little help) friends of freedom, are winning in Iraq].

"and change course when it comes to health care."

Watch as Hillary creates free doctors (out of primordial liberal smuggness)!

Eliminates the costliness of medical specialization!

And delivers your baby (and associated income bearing instruments) in under 30 minutes or less!

"When it comes to the economy, I believe I have the strength and experience to make that change -- and to make our economy work again for middle class Americans, and for all Americans."

Like Hercules cleaning the stables, Hillary will cleanse our economy from the filth of capitalism!

"Because in this new global economy, what have we seen? We've seen some jobs shipped overseas, and others replaced with machines."

Witness as machines never break, spontaneously design themselves, and make themselves better!

"In this decade the jobs that had been created pay 21% less than the jobs we've lost."

Watch as Hillary will put an end to cheap labor!

51 blackpajamas  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:53:38am

AND THE SEQUEL!

Nanny State at the Gates!

"It's an economy that doesn't even create many new jobs."

Like the dot-com boom, Hillary makes up for crappy jobs with VOLUME!

"Job growth, since 2001, under President Bush, has been the weakest of any economic recovery since the great depression."

Weakness during weakness is weakness...

[Ed: there's gambling in the casino!]

"It's an economy that demands more from our workers and gives less in return."

Hillary will restore the economy that properly rewards those who don't innovate!

"Over the past six years, worker productivity - that means how hard you're working, how much you put out per hour of your work.

Working "hard" shall put down the insurrection of those who work "smart"!

"Productivity has risen 18%, American workers are the hardest working people in the world. And yet just look around, wages have stayed flat."

We need wage inflation! It must match public school grade inflation!

"Corporate profits are at a forty year high but the average family's income in America has fallen by nearly $1,000."

Average families shall be eliminated!

"Income that is sorely missed as college costs have risen 40%, health care premiums have doubled, and gas prices have more than doubled."

Solutions include:

(1) Coddle lazy tenured jerks!

(2) Don't pay the health care bill, file bankruptcy, demand gov't bailout like with the "The Housing Crisis"!

(3) See Hillary lower gas prices to early 20th century levels!

"According to a recent report, over the 12-month period that ended in July of last year, the slow growth in wages for labor accounted for 64% of the increase in corporate profits."

Evil companies that re-invest in themselves, called "Growth" companies shall be purged.

"So in other words, companies are actually profiting off of their worker's stagnant wages."

There shall be no such thing as a worker that owns stock in their company.

"That is not the way it used to be. It used to be that when corporate profits went up, workers wages went up."

Back when Interns were clean, and the Kennedys were dirty!

"But the current group of corporate leadership is not sharing the benefits of that increasing profitability with the workers who make the profits possible."

Hillary knows all companies, sees all balance sheets, does G*d's taxes.

"It's an economy where the gap between the few at the top and everybody else just keeps getting wider. In 2005, all income gains went to the top 10% of households. While, the bottom 90% saw their incomes decline."

[Ed: Rich people make money?! Poor people aren't good with money?! Make it stop!]

"And the wealthiest 1% held 22% of America's income. Now it used to be less than 10% thirty years ago. This is the highest level of income inequality since 1929."

Purchasing power parity shall be abolished among nations!

52 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:55:44am
53 blackpajamas  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:58:06am

TRILOGY:

The United Nanny States of America

"Hardly a red letter year for America."

Conservatives will be given a refund on their education.

"And six and a half years of fiscal irresponsibility hasn't helped manners. Between the President's reckless tax breaks to those at the top and a war that is costing $300,000,000 a day, we have run up record debts and we are now at $9 trillion and counting."

$9,000,000,000,000 divided by 300,000,000 citizens is an astronomically unfathomable $30,000 per person!

Watch as credit card companies struggle to count to 30,000.

And! $30,000 shall be made to be less than 6.5% on a 500,000 jumbo loan over 30 years!

"Now up until recently, at least housing prices were rising, 86% between 1998 and 2006. So while hard working families were getting squeezed from every direction, and their credit cards were often maxed out, they'd use their homes as a safety net."

[Ed: Only Bubba can squeeze from every direction].

There shall never be a bias towards families!

"When the bills got too high, they could dip in to their home equity to pay them. Then housing prices started to fall, and suddenly the safety net shrunk."

Hillary will let us all irrationally speculate again!

"At the same time, families who financed their homes with non-traditional high risk loans saw their mortgage rates jump. Now many families finally stuck with mortgages they can't pay and expenses they can't afford."

When the gov't owns the houses, there shall be no mortgages!

"The result is 1.3 million foreclosures so far this year. Filings in August alone were up 261% in Iowa, and home prices are expected to decline this year, the first annual nation-wide drop since housing agencies began keeping records in 1950."

Hillary outlaws foreclosures!

"Alex Pollick, the former CEO of the Federal Home Loan Bank of Chicago, recently testified before Congress and said that the problems in the housing market could cost America $3 trillion in household wealth."

[Ed: $3,000,000,000,000 divided by 300,000,000 people is $10,000 per person. When you're about to capsize on a $800,000 housing investment, $10,000 is a bargain, it's called 1.25%, ya twit].

"And while we all hope that the housing markets woes remain contained, experts worry that the prices in the housing market could spread throughout the economy."

Hillary will shield us all from the evil economy! We will give her all our money, and she will hold it in trust.

"We're already seeing some early warning signs."

[Ed: That's you - you are the warning sign].

54 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:58:41am

Interesting, very very interesting -

Ahmadinejad Cuts 2-Day Visit to Armenia Short

YEREVAN, Armenia — Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad cut short his two-day visit to Armenia on Tuesday, an Armenian presidential spokesman said.

The Armenian government had expected Ahmadinejad to address parliament and, in what was likely to cause controversy, plant a sapling at a memorial commemorating the victims of what Armenians consider genocide.

Viktor Sogomonian, press secretary of Armenian President Robert Kocharian, gave no reason for the Iranian president's decision to skip both planned events and return to Iran.

Russia's ITAR-Tass news agency, citing an unnamed source, said the decision was connected with unexpected developments in Iran.

More - [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

55 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:59:26am

re: #49 konservo

Like it or not, as a signatory to the NPT, they are allowed to pursue peaceful nuclear power.

Of course, Eisenhower is long dead.

/and he's still getting [expletive deleted] for signing the Grenada treaty

56 blackpajamas  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:01:41am

JUST FOUR CLOSURE:


"Consumer confidence has weakened. The pace of employment growth has slowed even more since the beginning of this year. Automakers are recording that the housing prices is hurting auto sales and big investment banks are writing off billions in investments and starting layoffs tied to the housing industry."

All of Hillary's well behaved consumers shall continue to spend themselves deeper into debt.

Self-correcting markets are evil!

"So taken together, the pressures of stagnant wages; rising health, education, and energy costs; increased household debt; and a softening housing market are creating a trap door economy."

Hillary Clinton, trap door economist.

"Too many families are standing on that trap door, just one diagnosis, one pink slip, one missed mortgage payment away from falling through and losing everything they've worked for."

Hillary outlaws archaic devices such as credit limits!

"They're bearing all of the risks of the global economy but reaping few of the rewards."

The Chinese shower their peasants with valuable cash and prizes!

"So I hear all over as I travel throughout Iowa and America, people asking me, people asking themselves, ‘What am I going to do?' And I think it's fair to ask our leaders, ‘What are you going to do?'"

[Ed: Just who is you leader Hillary? What planet are they from? I could go on, and on, and on... But, decorum probably prevents me from doing so].

57 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:02:27am

re: #50 blackpajamas

HILLARY CLINTON TO STAR IN FEATURE FILM!

Filming has already begun on Hillary's Hollywood blockbuster, featuring Will Smith and Gene Hackman in, Enemy of the Nanny State.

"Mary Jo, Russell and their family are doing everything right. They're working hard, they're serving our country, they're taking responsibility for themselves and taking care of each other."
[SNIP]

And delivers your baby (and associated income bearing instruments) in under 30 minutes or less!

"When it comes to the economy, I believe I have the strength and experience to make that change -- and to make our economy work again for middle class Americans, and for all Americans."

Experience at what? The only things that I know of that give Hillary Clinton any experience in economic endeavour are shady land deals and bogus campaign contributions. Doesn't sound like much of a base for national economic growth to me.

58 BignJames  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:06:01am

re: #57 galloping granny

Cattle futures....don't forget cattle futures..how to turn $1k into $100k overnight!

59 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:10:47am

re: #58 BignJames

re: #57 galloping granny

Cattle futures....don't forget cattle futures..how to turn $1k into $100k overnight!

What? Has she got some magic powder I don't know about? I want some. She better start sharing the wealth there!

60 BignJames  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:29:34am

re: #59 galloping granny

She's just good.

61 Da_Beerfreak  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:29:42am

There's no such thing as a "Nanny State".
Nanny State is a polite(non-scary) term for a Police State.
Don't be fooled into thinking otherwise.
// 2¢

62 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:34:07am

re: #61 Da_Beerfreak

There's no such thing as a "Nanny State".
Nanny State is a polite(non-scary) term for a Police State.
Don't be fooled into thinking otherwise.
// 2¢

I agree with you.

63 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:37:50am

re: #60 BignJames

re: #59 galloping granny

She's just good.

Now that is some smoking gun there. Her "advisor" also happened to be the legal counsel for Arkansas' biggest employer, Tyson Foods, and hubby Bill just happened to be Governor at the time. "Just friends" though. . . . sure, and I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Give me a call!

I wonder how many of the people named in that report also appear in the list of Renters of the Lincoln Bedroom?

64 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:38:02am

re: #60 BignJames

Hillary Rodham Clinton was allowed to order 10 cattle futures contracts, normally a $12,000 investment, in her first commodity trade in 1978 although she had only $1,000 in her account at the time, according to trade records the White House released yesterday.

That far exceeds any margin requirement known to man.

/a.k.a., it was illegal

65 BignJames  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:40:51am

re: #64 Killian Bundy

So is perjury.

/

66 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:42:26am

HA. There is no such thing as illegal in America anymore.

/get over it

67 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:42:40am

Definitely worth the time to read - I'd give you the money quote but that would spoil your fun:

Dems Cruising In 2008? Not So Fast

Politics: Democrats took control of Congress nearly a year ago, promising to end the war in Iraq, change the way Washington is run and turn the GOP into a distant second choice next year. So far, they're 0 for 3.

[Link: www.ibdeditorials.com...]

68 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:43:40am

re: #66 littleoldlady

HA. There is no such thing as illegal in America anymore.

/get over it

Sure there is. If you are not muslim, not politically connected and not wealthy.

69 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:44:13am

Littleoldlady, what the heck are you doing here early? And where is the fruitcup?

70 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:47:52am

re: #68 galloping granny

Sure there is. If you are not muslim, not politically connected and not wealthy.

You forgot the Mexican lawn mowers.

granny,

? I'm always here at this time.

Unfortunately, not for too long today. I have a sick newsletter that needs caring for.

71 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:50:44am

re: #70 littleoldlady

re: #68 galloping granny

Sure there is. If you are not muslim, not politically connected and not wealthy.

You forgot the Mexican lawn mowers.

granny,

? I'm always here at this time.

Unfortunately, not for too long today. I have a sick newsletter that needs caring for.

True, I did forget the Mexican lawn mowers. Oh my, I guess it is much later than I thought it was. No going back to bed for me. Sick newsletter?

72 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:52:22am

re: #66 littleoldlady

HA. There is no such thing as illegal in America anymore.

/get over it

There's absolutely no doubt that the Hillary relies on "the fix". She stands for nothing without it.

/the pertinent question is will she be allowed to ride it back to the White House?

73 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:54:52am

Take a peek at this cartoon -

[Link: www.ibdeditorials.com...]

74 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:56:28am

re: #71 galloping granny

I do the synagogue newsletter every month. It's always sick. ;-)

Killian,

There's absolutely no doubt that the Hillary relies on "the fix". She stands for nothing without it.

/the pertinent question is will she be allowed to ride it back to the White House?

Of course she will.

/Never.Any.Doubt.

75 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:58:47am

re: #72 Killian Bundy

re: #66 littleoldlady

HA. There is no such thing as illegal in America anymore.

/get over it

There's absolutely no doubt that the Hillary relies on "the fix". She stands for nothing without it.

/the pertinent question is will she be allowed to ride it back to the White House?

I don't know Killian. All of the sudden there seems to be an awful lot of info coming up about Hillary's prior bad acts, shady dealings and what looks to be outright criminal fund-raising schemes. Sometimes in some pretty liberal-leftie sources too. I'm suspecting she might wind up under the bus.

But then I have noticed for a number of years now that whoever the very front runner is very early on in any election season is the guy who ends up under the bus.

76 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:00:09am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ---------------------------->
Help yourselves!

77 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:00:26am

re: #74 littleoldlady

Vote accordingly.

/that's all I ask

78 little blessing  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:03:31am

HI Everyone.

I'll take two advils with my fruitcup, thanks.

79 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:04:12am

re: #75 galloping granny

Don't ever plan on catching her in a lie.

/what part of illegal cattle futures deal, fifteen years down the road, don't you understand?

80 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:04:31am

re: #78 little blessing

HI Everyone.

I'll take two advils with my fruitcup, thanks.

Morning little blessing. That sounds ominous.

81 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:07:16am

re: #77 Killian Bundy

re: #74 littleoldlady

Vote accordingly.

/that's all I ask

VeryBigSigh.

I always vote "accordingly", Killian.

/and a fat lot of good that does me...

little blessing! :-)

...And I always have a huge economy-sized bottle of Advil® sitting right next to the computer.

/just in case...

82 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:09:11am

re: #79 Killian Bundy

re: #75 galloping granny

Don't ever plan on catching her in a lie.

/what part of illegal cattle futures deal, fifteen years down the road, don't you understand?

Fifteen years ago most people had never heard of the Internet, nobody but the MSM were fact-checking her ass and the documents and repositories littered the country side.

She might have a little tougher time hiding the body this time around.

/Not to mention she has made many enemies since then that she did not have to contend with way back when. Her acceptance of Bill's philandering and subsequent very public, very international humiliation of her turned a huge number of women against her.

I keep hearing some ass-hat Democrat handler yak about how much women just love Hillary and I really wonder what planet he is on. Every time you hear a woman talk about Hillary they bring up the fact that she allowed Bill to set women back 100+ years.

83 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:10:09am

re:

84 little blessing  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:11:50am

re: #80 galloping granny

Hard day at work.

85 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:12:24am
re: #81 dillydallied

You just HAD to remind me, didn't you?

86 Render  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:12:30am

Am I in time for the fruit cup?

ANY
LEFT?,
R

87 Render  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:13:24am

re: #85 littleoldlady

{LOL},
R

88 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:15:10am

{RENDER!}

Here you go. :-)

89 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:18:13am

re: #82 galloping granny

Whistling past the graveyard.

/Republicans can either get organized or get lost, we're already well behind the curve

90 little blessing  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:20:12am

re: #89 Killian Bundy

Oh my goodness! According to those polls, sanity is in hot water.

91 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:20:42am

re: #81 littleoldlady

re: #81 dillydallied

/what's that all about?

92 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:21:53am

This is one sick bastard that shouldn't have survived the trip to the police station: Six-year-old guns down grandmother in India

A six-year-old boy accidentally shot dead his grandmother in India’s northern state of Uttar Pradesh after being handed a pistol and told it was a toy gun....

The boy took aim and fired at his grandmother and the woman died on the scene after a bullet hit her chest.

“The old man wanted to get rid of his 70-year-old wife because she would pester him on domestic issues and he felt stifled with her presence,” an unnamed police official was quoted....

Mornin folks, Lol, Killian, lb, granny...all.

93 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:23:13am

re: #89 Killian Bundy

re: #82 galloping granny

Whistling past the graveyard.

/Republicans can either get organized or get lost, we're already well behind the curve

Maybe so Killian. But it is early times yet. Nobody has even named a candidate. And most of those polls - the CNN, Fox, NPR, are not scientific polls at all. We see how easily those are manipulated here every time Charles runs one. They mean nothing.

The Zogby poll is built more on a scientifically valid model, but there too something is fishy. The detailed results of the latest Zogby I saw a couple of days ago stated that the results were accurate to 1%. That is extremely low - far to low. The standard is around three times that.

94 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:25:41am

re: #92 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

This is one sick bastard that shouldn't have survived the trip to the police station: Six-year-old guns down grandmother in India

A six-year-old boy accidentally shot dead his grandmother in India’s northern state of Uttar Pradesh after being handed a pistol and told it was a toy gun....The boy took aim and fired at his grandmother and the woman died on the scene after a bullet hit her chest.

“The old man wanted to get rid of his 70-year-old wife because she would pester him on domestic issues and he felt stifled with her presence,” an unnamed police official was quoted....

Mornin folks, Lol, Killian, lb, granny...all.

A typical "honor" killing - let the kid do it because he'll get off scot-free. Evil SOBs.

95 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:28:48am

ACTION ALERT!

Is this art or animal abuse? (Very disturbing, dog-lovers be warned!)
I call it barbarism.

For those who don't want to see for themselves, a Costa Rican "artist" by the name of Guillermo Habacuc Vargas captured a stray dog, tied it up in a pen, starved it to death, and called the process art.
This atrocity was committed in Managua, Nicaragua, rather than in Vargas's native Costa Rica.

Rather than being arrested or lynched, Vargas has been selected to represent Costa Rica at a regional exhibition in Honduras.
There is an online petition to ban him from the event but direct contact with the governments involved might be a lot more effective.
Costa Rican Embassy in Washington D.C. E-mail:consulate@costarica-embassy.org, embassy@costarica.com
Nicaraguan Embassy in Washington D.C. E-mail:embanic_usa@amdyne.net
Honduran Embassy in the United States Telephone: (202) 737-2972/78
E-mail: consul.honduras.dcusa@ verizon.net

Honduran President Manuel Zalaya is a rancher and a noted horseman. This probably won't sit well with him at all.

96 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:29:04am

re: #89 Killian Bundy

From the way the Left has spun various statements, there's little enough need to continue any campaigning, let alone the need for an election, the hag is in - the bitch is back.

Lousy democrats - no reflection or offense to lice.

97 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:29:23am

re: #89 Killian Bundy

re: #82 galloping granny

Whistling past the graveyard.

/Republicans can either get organized or get lost, we're already well behind the curve

The Republicans can either pick Rudy who actually has a chance of winning, or somebody else who embodies "conservative values". Personally, I think it's very unrealistic to expect a true conservative to get elected in this country.

#89 Killian Bundy - Rudy has the lowest point differential, right?

And since I'm still registered as a Democrat (local issues) I don't have a say in the primaries.

98 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:29:55am

re: #93 galloping granny

Real Clear Politics doesn't deal with internet polls, they're all national or regional traditional telephone polls.

/ignore them at your peril

99 Render  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:30:09am

Just how accurate are polls anyway?

[Link: www.google.com...]

More or less accurate than Carol Herman?

:) Outahere!

SLIDING
SCALES,
R

100 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:30:59am

Good Morning Dead Thread!

Olmert told Sarcozy yesterday that the time for sanctions against Iran has passed.

101 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:32:16am

re: #99 Render

More or less accurate than Carol Herman?

Do they make things up as they go along, too? ;-)

'Morning, aboo! :-) shiplord! :-)

102 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:32:59am

re: #97 littleoldlady

re: #81 dillydallied

/that frightens me

103 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:34:04am

re: #97 littleoldlady

re: #89 Killian Bundy

re: #82 galloping granny

Whistling past the graveyard.

/Republicans can either get organized or get lost, we're already well behind the curve

The Republicans can either pick Rudy who actually has a chance of winning, or somebody else who embodies "conservative values". Personally, I think it's very unrealistic to expect a true conservative to get elected in this country.

#89 Killian Bundy - Rudy has the lowest point differential, right?

And since I'm still registered as a Democrat (local issues) I don't have a say in the primaries.

I agree with you littleoldlady. Though I wouldn't judge anything by those apparent point differentials. Polls can be every bit as slanted as news reports and all too often are. But yes, we need to pick and choose our battles very carefully this time. If we don't our very country might be lost.

Read here from Mark Steyn -

The 'cold civil war' in the U.S.

The common space required for civil debate has shrivelled to a very thin sliver of ground

[Link: www.macleans.ca...]

104 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:35:29am

re: #102 Killian Bundy

re: #97 littleoldlady


re: #81 dillydallied

/that frightens me

What can I say? Spellcheck isn't my friend. :-(

I'd better get to it. Back later, depending upon the amount pain inflicted by DTP software.

Carl! :-)

105 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:38:22am

re: #104 littleoldlady

So you have a sock puppet?

/that would explain things

106 chicagodudewhotrades  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:38:27am

Good morning everyone,

I'm working a Mini DJIA futures trade, so i'm up and awake.I just checked the lounge and no one was there, so I guess this is where the cool kids hang out?

107 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:39:59am

re: #106 chicagodudewhotrades

Good morning everyone,

I'm working a Mini DJIA futures trade, so i'm up and awake.I just checked the lounge and no one was there, so I guess this is where the cool kids hang out?

Guess so Dude. How're things?

108 chicagodudewhotrades  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:41:32am

I'm fine GG. How are you?

109 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:42:18am

re: #108 chicagodudewhotrades

I'm fine GG. How are you?

Wishing I had gone back to bed :( Too late now.

110 chicagodudewhotrades  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:43:35am

Have some coffee and if there are any fruit cups left, have 1 of those, but I think render ate them all. lol

111 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:46:05am

re: #110 chicagodudewhotrades

Have some coffee and if there are any fruit cups left, have 1 of those, but I think render ate them all. lol

Pouring coffee down throat as we speak. Forgot to buy cream yesterday though so I'm having to drink it with milk. Not so nice. Luckily I have to go drive soon, so I'll leave a little early and make the kid run into the store for some.

112 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:46:56am

re: #106 chicagodudewhotrades

CELG?

/not much else is looking buyable

113 chicagodudewhotrades  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:48:32am

Was there some discussion about Hillery's cattle trading earlier? When I worked at the CME for the trading firm Refco,I clerked for the refco catle trader that handled Hill's orders.

114 chicagodudewhotrades  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:49:54am

re: #112 Killian Bundy

honestly, the only Bio firm i like and really look at is Amgen

115 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:50:23am

re: #113 chicagodudewhotrades

Was there some discussion about Hillery's cattle trading earlier? When I worked at the CME for the trading firm Refco,I clerked for the refco catle trader that handled Hill's orders.

Yes there was. Upthread, not too far. So, you must know lots of stuff about that trading, then, right?

It sure would be fun to nail old Hill to the wall, hoist her on her own petard.

116 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:51:00am

re: #113 chicagodudewhotrades

Was there some discussion about Hillery's cattle trading earlier? When I worked at the CME for the trading firm Refco,I clerked for the refco catle trader that handled Hill's orders.

And?

/illegal or or not?

117 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:54:06am

Remember Daniel Wultz HY"D (may God avenge his blood)? Daniel was a 16-year old kid from Florida who was murdered in a 2006 suicide bombing in Tel Aviv. You may recall that a 'Palestinian' terror leader referred to Wultz as "the best target we can dream of."

Exclusive: US to train and arm terrorist responsible for Wultz murder

118 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:54:48am

re: #104 littleoldlady

re: #102 Killian Bundy

re: #97 littleoldlady


re: #81 dillydallied


/that frightens me

What can I say? Spellcheck isn't my friend. :-(

I'd better get to it. Back later, depending upon the amount pain inflicted by DTP software.

Carl! :-)

Good morning, how are you?

119 chicagodudewhotrades  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:55:04am

I hate to bust anybody's bubble, but honestly it was some pretty legit trading. Our cattle guys are pretty smart and the Little Rock refco branch office had some bright folks in it. They were still pretty good even in the early 2000's when i was on the floor and talking to them once in a while. Funny thing though, our best cattle trader was hardcore republican, he hated hill with a passion

120 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:59:22am

re: #114 chicagodudewhotrades

What can I say, got almost totally out spooked yesterday morning, got burned, except for taking massive profits.

/off margin, sitting on massive cash

121 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:00:24am

re: #117 Carl in Jerusalem

Remember Daniel Wultz HY"D (may God avenge his blood)? Daniel was a 16-year old kid from Florida who was murdered in a 2006 suicide bombing in Tel Aviv. You may recall that a 'Palestinian' terror leader referred to Wultz as "the best target we can dream of."

Exclusive: US to train and arm terrorist responsible for Wultz murder

Outrageous. Not surprising. I have wondered for some time what the hell we are doing as a nation training any "palestinian" for anything. You would have to be both an illiterate blithering idiot and a complete fool to not understand that Al Aqsa are nothing more or less than the PA version of the Brown Shirts and that they are as much under the control of the PA as the "formal" troops are. Plausable deniability.

As for Daniel, he is not the only American we have blown off by a very long shot in persuit of some sort of ridiculous "diplomacy." And we are going to pay for it.

Mark Steyn is already writing about a "Cold Civil War" going on in the US and I think he is pretty close to right on the money.

122 chicagodudewhotrades  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:01:19am

re: #120 Killian Bundy


My trades have been light lately too. I do this stuff for a living and I have no clue where this stuff is going, so don't get depressed

123 tman71  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:03:00am

re: #97 littleoldlady

It may be unrealistic, but I personally am not voting for the "lesser of the evils" I plan on voting my conscious, and that will NOT be Rudy.

p.s. Thanks for the fruit cup : )

124 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:03:45am

re: #119 chicagodudewhotrades

How do you trade 12K on a 1K account balance for a commodity trade?

/that violates any margin requirement I've ever seen

125 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:04:44am

re: #121 galloping granny

re: #117 Carl in Jerusalem

Remember Daniel Wultz HY"D (may God avenge his blood)? Daniel was a 16-year old kid from Florida who was murdered in a 2006 suicide bombing in Tel Aviv. You may recall that a 'Palestinian' terror leader referred to Wultz as "the best target we can dream of."

Exclusive: US to train and arm terrorist responsible for Wultz murder

Outrageous. Not surprising. I have wondered for some time what the hell we are doing as a nation training any "palestinian" for anything. You would have to be both an illiterate blithering idiot and a complete fool to not understand that Al Aqsa are nothing more or less than the PA version of the Brown Shirts and that they are as much under the control of the PA as the "formal" troops are. Plausable deniability.

As for Daniel, he is not the only American we have blown off by a very long shot in persuit of some sort of ridiculous "diplomacy." And we are going to pay for it.

Mark Steyn is already writing about a "Cold Civil War" going on in the US and I think he is pretty close to right on the money.

No, Wultz is not the only one. I may have a story about another one later today.

126 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:09:10am

Iran's Rafsanjani speaks out over students

Iran's influential ex-president Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani has defended students' right to freedom of speech....

so long as the student's adhere to the strict guidelines determined and issued by Supreme Fubar(goat-piss on his head).

You won't find Rafsanjani venturing far outside Mullahland, not with an international warrant on his head(I think, can't remember the latest in seemingly ever changing details as determined by political diktat and/or status).

This is a pretty good piece on good ol' Raf, our pals the Euro's and even us by Amir Taheri, EU's wounded horse in Iran

So much to remember, so little memory. ;)

127 gettinby  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:09:31am

I'm thinking of voting for Rudy and hoping others do, too, just to see him squash ol' hill in the debates. Should make for some good entertainment?

/some early morning hip-shooting-chit-chat.

128 chicagodudewhotrades  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:10:49am

re: #124 Killian Bundy

I have heard that about Hill's trading. yes that would violate a firm's margin requirements. Is it true though, or just a rumor? I honestly never looked much into hill's trading with my firm. I started at refco in 1997 and worked mostly currencies. If she did have only $1k in her account and was allowed to trade then that would be the fault of the branch office and not the floor. If it did happen then the branch office was sucking up to I guess a up and coming lawyer (when exactly did Hill trade cattle?) who had a husband with political ambitions (or was he already the govenor?)

129 Doug  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:11:59am

Despite being correct on some things, this guy really irks me.

The French are so obsessed with "process" that even in the face of certain destruction, they have to write another deeply philosophical about a Du-bonnet before they can get up and act.

Notice that there is no call to action, just more wussy Euro-trashian deep philosophical pondering.

The French lost any real men they had left AFTER WWI in WWI and only the fags are left. Bye bye Fwance, you rotted, corrupt shell of a country.

130 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:13:32am

re: #128 chicagodudewhotrades

re: #124 Killian Bundy

I have heard that about Hill's trading. yes that would violate a firm's margin requirements. Is it true though, or just a rumor? I honestly never looked much into hill's trading with my firm. I started at refco in 1997 and worked mostly currencies. If she did have only $1k in her account and was allowed to trade then that would be the fault of the branch office and not the floor. If it did happen then the branch office was sucking up to I guess a up and coming lawyer (when exactly did Hill trade cattle?) who had a husband with political ambitions (or was he already the govenor?)

There is a link upthread to a WaPo piece on her trading - info released by the White House.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

131 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:16:05am
132 gettinby  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:16:06am

Czech Govt. supports U.S. missle defense

I found this particular snippet interesting...

Critics say no such system is needed in the foreseeable future because no country in the Middle East, including Iran, now possesses a ballistic missile with sufficient range to threaten all of Europe or the United States.

We should WAIT until they DO?!?!

/barn door, horse

Oh, and Hi Everyone!

133 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:16:55am
134 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:18:45am

Good morning, Lizards.

135 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:20:33am
136 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:20:33am

First there was Baghdad Bob. Now there is Tehran Taki: Iran's N. Progress Undeterred by UNSC Sanctions

Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki in a letter to his French counterpart Bernard Kouchner stressed that West's threats and UN Security Council sanctions cannot deter the Iranian nation and government

We will, we will...NUKE You! NUKE You! NUKE you!

137 gettinby  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:23:34am

Good morning goddess! :)

And, from al-arian country (Tampa), the latest update on the

Firecracker Students

And with that, I'm off.

Here's to a grand day for all Lizards!

138 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:24:35am

re: #135 ploome hineni

I'm on margin.

/so the potential spending power it literally insane

139 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:27:19am
140 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:33:22am

Craven dhimmitude from North Carolina

news14.com...] target="_blank">

Students stand by teacher

RALEIGH –- Students at Enloe High School are standing by a teacher who was transferred to another school.

Robert Escamilla was transferred to an alternative school in May after he invited a guest speaker to class who called Islam "criminal," and told female students not to marry Muslims. But the Wake County Board of Education said the investigation into that incident revealed that Escamilla has a history of poor performance in the classroom. Wednesday morning they released parts of his personnel file to support their claim -- the first time they'd taken such a step in 20 years.

They just happen to notice this lengthy record of "poor performance" after Haji fifth columnists complain? Hmmmm.
Could we please see the records of various moonbat teachers to determine if their performance has been similarly dealt with when it showed similar shortcomings?

141 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:34:01am

President in Yerevan:Tehran Against Regional Tensions - Looking for ocean-front property in Iran? Sandy beaches, nekkid women covered only by black-sacks?

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Monday that the Islamic Republic of Iran is ready to help resolve regional issues.

For more music by the Turban & Shi'ite Band, see above.

142 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:37:14am

RATS! Missed the link again!

Students stand by teacher

143 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:40:47am

re: #140 Shiplord Kirel

This is outrageous. Isn't it illegal to release a personnel file? I'm going to ask my Association president what would happen here.
I also want to know why the guy was allowed to stay is there was so much "history of poor performance."

And how is inviting a guest speaker "poor performance"?

144 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:40:52am
145 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:45:19am

re: #140 Shiplord Kirel

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." George Orwell

146 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:45:52am
147 LC LaWedgie  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:46:26am
Like previous years, the 2007 amnesty shows the consistency in the Party and State’s policy that is to deal strictly with law-breakers but also to show leniency towards inmates who have repented of their skins and performed well in prison, regardless of their age, profession, ethnic group or nationality. This policy once again shows the humanitarian tradition of the Vietnamese nation.
149 snopercod  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:48:02am

"...now I am become Death [Shiva], the destroyer of worlds..."

Physicist Robert Oppenheimer
Supervising Scientist Manhattan Project

on 16 July 1945 at 0529 HRS,
in the Jornada del Muerto desert near
the Trinity site in the White Sands Missile Range.
...quoting from the Bhagavad-Gita upon
witnessing first atomic detonation by mankind.

The exact quote from the Bhagavad-Gita is:

If the radiance of a thousand suns
Were to burst at once into the sky
That would be like the splendor of the Mighty one...
I am become Death,
The shatterer of Worlds.

Since I'm tossing in quotes, here's another:

"No beast is more savage than man,
when possessed with power answerable to his rage."
--Plutarch Cicero

150 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:48:10am
151 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:49:11am

Got to go--have a great day!

152 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:54:17am

From the Corner:

180 parliamentarians sign a letter of support{Farsi} to Larijani.

It's not nice to play with Supreme Fubar and according to Ahmad's mentor, Yadzi(12th Iman Head-nut), Ahmad's the gleam in Supreme Fubar's eye.

Which I wouldn't doubt for a second. The only thing that might save Larijani has been his high-visibility on the international circuit but with these guys it sure ain't insurance against axisdents.

153 jim in virginia  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 3:59:05am

re: #120 Killian Bundy

,

sitting on massive cash

Killian, will you marry me?
How about adoption?

154 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 4:04:29am

re: #140 Shiplord Kirel

Craven dhimmitude from North Carolina

news14.com...] target="_blank">

Students stand by teacher

RALEIGH –- Students at Enloe High School are standing by a teacher who was transferred to another school.

Robert Escamilla was transferred to an alternative school in May after he invited a guest speaker to class who called Islam "criminal," and told female students not to marry Muslims. But the Wake County Board of Education said the investigation into that incident revealed that Escamilla has a history of poor performance in the classroom. Wednesday morning they released parts of his personnel file to support their claim -- the first time they'd taken such a step in 20 years.

They just happen to notice this lengthy record of "poor performance" after Haji fifth columnists complain? Hmmmm.
Could we please see the records of various moonbat teachers to determine if their performance has been similarly dealt with when it showed similar shortcomings?

Of course not Shiplord! Moonbat teachers have no shortcomings! I hope he does file that lawsuit. And I hope he wins.

155 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 4:12:30am

re: #120 Killian Bundy

re: #114 chicagodudewhotrades

What can I say, got almost totally out spooked yesterday morning, got burned, except for taking massive profits.

/off margin, sitting on massive cash


David J. Schwartz?

Is that you?

My name is Killian Bundy, Millionaire.
I own a mansion, unt a yacht!

LOL!

Post and run
BBL

maybe

156 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 4:12:33am

Somebody linked this over at Carl's site. The original poster refused to say more than go and read. I will say no more myself. Go and read - you won't be sorry!

[Link: www.aish.com...]

158 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 4:26:31am

NYT: 'Ain't That America?'

An editorial in the New York Times nakedly displays the paper's contempt for those who disagree with its worldview. Entitled "Ain't that America?", the Times' narcissistic view of America as composed of vile and mean-spirited racists, in need of restraint by enlightened New York Times true believers, who surely really are the real Americans.

**sigh** - not further comment.

159 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 4:27:34am

re: #156 galloping granny

Somebody linked this over at Carl's site. The original poster refused to say more than go and read. I will say no more myself. Go and read - you won't be sorry!

[Link: www.aish.com...]

Actually, I posted it to my site. It was emailed to me by the guy who got the hat tip. And I didn't say more because if I had it would have spoiled the effect.

160 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 4:31:48am

re: #157 Carl in Jerusalem

Iran accuses US of manufacturing genetic weapons

I saw this yesterday. This is simply the single most ludicrous thing I have ever heard. Impossible. Completely beyond the present genetic/immunological capabilities of either the US or Israel (also accused.) Beyond anything capabilities in the pipeline for the near-future too.

However, the islamic world has been pushing the idea for a while now that vaccination is bad, poison, contaminated, a plot by the US and Israel to kill or sterilize them all. One of these fine days the number of kids running unvaccinated against polio, diphtheria, whooping cough and the like is going to reach critical mass and we are all going to witness the Hand of YHWH in action.

161 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 4:33:26am

re: #159 Carl in Jerusalem

re: #156 galloping granny

Somebody linked this over at Carl's site. The original poster refused to say more than go and read. I will say no more myself. Go and read - you won't be sorry!

[Link: www.aish.com...]

Actually, I posted it to my site. It was emailed to me by the guy who got the hat tip. And I didn't say more because if I had it would have spoiled the effect.

Somehow I managed to click a link or got there before you had finished putting it up on your site, as I ended up elsewhere :)

162 chief long name  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 4:54:59am

May I share a quote O' the day?
From Supreme Court Justice Thomas's book 'My Grandfather's Son'

As he and his mother walked out of the Senate building on what should have been the last day of his testimony for confirmation, his mother said;
"I ain't never votin' 'fo another Democrat long as I can draw breath. I'd vote for a dogfirst"

163 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 4:55:30am

Lowlife scumbag Robert Chambers in coke bust

High time (pun intended) this unrepentant miscreant went away permanently.

164 Mr Spiffy  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 4:56:54am

Poetry of a disturbing sort

165 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 4:59:56am

Good morning all. 71 degrees in Chambodia, which is probably as high as it will go. Brilliant orange sky as the sun rises after a night of much needed showers; more in the forecast for today.

Small crowd this morning.

166 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:01:04am

re: #162 chief long name

May I share a quote O' the day?
From Supreme Court Justice Thomas's book 'My Grandfather's Son'

As he and his mother walked out of the Senate building on what should have been the last day of his testimony for confirmation, his mother said;
"I ain't never votin' 'fo another Democrat long as I can draw breath. I'd vote for a dogfirst"

Now that is funny!

167 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:04:17am

Good morning, LGF.

On topic for a bit.

The Bush Doctrine Through The Smoke Of A Burning Banlieu
by "Dar ul Harb"

In his article for City Journal, Andre Glucksmann implicitly recognizes one theoretical foundation of the Bush Doctrine, which is, the terrorism that is of global strategic concern is that which is state-sponsored, and that by fighting the sponsoring nation states, one goes a long way towards preventing the delivery of nation-state-created catastrophic weapons by nation-state supported unaccountable actors. (How this nation-state-centric analysis applies to the Bush Administration's view of the Arab-Israeli conflict is the mystery that surpasseth all understanding among many here at LGF, myself included. Let's give 'em a state!)

The lesson Glucksmann is drawing from Mogadishu, Somalia 1993 is confused, though, and his analysis is superficial. We know now that Somalia was one of the first direct engagements between Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda organization and the the U.S. armed forces, and that it wasn't just "a horrific trap," but was one of the experiences that encouraged bin Laden to believe that the United States could be defeated by the forces of jihad, just as he believed the Soviet Union had been defeated in Afghanistan by the mujahedeen. Glucksmann leaves that part unstated.

But Somalia isn't going to get the Bomb anytime soon, so the "Somaliazation of the planet" isn't necessarily going to result in the annihilation of millions in the developed countries. Islam as we know it in its Taliban-like form is, as Winston Churchill wrote, "a retrograde force" and so by itself unlikely to develop the Bomb either, absent outside assistance. Glucksmann seems to be arguing for another part of the Bush Doctrine when he speaks of "Somaliazation," which is that we in the developed countries have a human obligation to intervene where states have failed, and that doing so will lessen terrorism by providing hope and an alternative future for those who would otherwise die in the clutches of warlordism, or join up to become "human bombs."

One could cynically call this the "midnight basketball" theory of terrorism. If we just provide "alternatives" to terrorist violence, these poor potential jihadis will stay out of trouble. Leaving aside that the most devastating of the "human bombs" described in Glucksmann's analysis, Mohammed Atta and company, were not the product of Somali-like warlordism and poverty, lived among us in the prosperous West for years, and were apparently unaffected by the experience of a more hopeful alternative except to find it, as Sayyid Qutb did earlier, more reason to condemn us.

I suppose why Charles featured this article is not so much the analysis, but to highlight one of the few Europeans in government there who seems to have woken up to smell the burning cars.

168 Thanos  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:04:44am

Good Morn all, it's going to be pretty busy at work so I am going to do a quick link dump, you probably won't see me rest of day after this.

Taliban Leader was Released for German Hostage

Khatami in Iran Attacks Ahmadinejad Over Economy (Could the sanctions be having effect?)

Israel Raids Jenin, Kills to Islamic Jihad Members

Jihadi Freed From Guantanamo Was Tortured with Religion

Dawar Rising in North Waziristan?

Mohammad Siddique Sentencing Today

169 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:04:53am

re: #163 JammieWearingFool

Lowlife scumbag Robert Chambers in coke bust

High time (pun intended) this unrepentant miscreant went away permanently.

"enough coke to levitate Central Park" - ROFLMAO!

170 The Albatross  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:09:23am

Good morning lizards, what news? (I feel like I survived a snake bite)

171 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:11:09am

re: #169 galloping granny

He's like the thing that wouldn't leave.

I'm not sure if she's still alive, but I always felt some sympathy for his mother, who did everything she could for this guy only to have him constantly get into trouble. Seeing what my mother has gone through with several of my siblings, once can understand a mother being protective and always looking out for their children.

Yet it's time to cut her losses with this thug. There's no hope for him.

Of course, most people realized this in 1986.

172 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:14:58am

re: #171 JammieWearingFool

re: #169 galloping granny

He's like the thing that wouldn't leave.

I'm not sure if she's still alive, but I always felt some sympathy for his mother, who did everything she could for this guy only to have him constantly get into trouble. Seeing what my mother has gone through with several of my siblings, once can understand a mother being protective and always looking out for their children.

Yet it's time to cut her losses with this thug. There's no hope for him.

Of course, most people realized this in 1986.

Sometimes, Jammie, they are just born bad and there is nothing to be done. And sometimes, you can do too much for your children.

One thing that has always amazed me as a mother and a grandmother is how very different each child is from the very minute they are born. Some rather ignorant "psychologists" say that infants are a "blank slate" - but they are men, who have never had one to care for 24/7.

173 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:20:16am

Glucksmann skates on thin ice over the sin of despair here.

Instead, the practical response is already being put in place by the USA and others: hunt down and kill the nihilist islamics.

And I do believe that he should do well to read his catechism

Evil has lost already; we are seeing the mopping up.

174 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:23:20am

re: #172 galloping granny

my dad, not mom, once said to me, "Some people are born with larceny in their hearts." But he was a WW2 vet & had seen a lot.

175 HouTexJew  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:23:30am
176 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:24:16am

re: #168 Thanos


Here is another one Thanos:

Talibans attack catholic schools in Swat Valley

Islamabad (AsiaNews) – The process of talebanisation of Pakistan continues despite formal pledges by the central government and local authorities. Islamic extremism has in fact reached the Swat Valley, once known as the Switzerland of the Orient, this according to a report by Minorities Concern of Pakistan, a local organisation which monitors the situation of minorities and violations of the human rights of the population.

One of the cases cited in the report involves a Catholic-run public high school in Sangota, in the Swat Valley. In a recent letter, a group calling itself Janisaran-i-Islam (Sacrifices of Islam) attacked the school administration for allegedly “forcibly converting students” and “encouraging un-Islamic behaviour.”

The fundamentalist group calls for the firing of all Christians employed by the school and their replacement with fervent Muslims. It also threatens suicide bombers “if its orders are not followed.

I just can't understand why anyone wouldn't want to join that peaceful tolerant religion.

177 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:26:36am

Apropos of this discussion, an interesting take on the PKK thang from Bret Stephens at today's WSJ:

A Kurdish Lesson: Terrorist groups often have nine lives.

The Turks did not help themselves by failing to support the war, which caused strains with Washington and prevented them from carrying out further cross-border raids. That, in turn, created an opening for Iran, which until then had been the PKK's sole remaining state sponsor. Concerned about its isolation in the region, and sensing an opportunity to make common cause with the moderately Islamist government of Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Tehran abruptly switched sides, going so far as to shell PKK positions in northern Iraq. Not surprisingly, the Turks began to take a more favorable view of Iran.

The U.S. role is scarcely more creditable. The Ankara government has been pressing the Bush administration to hit PKK bases for at least four years. The administration has responded with a combination of empty promises of future action and excuses that U.S. forces are already overstretched in Iraq. For the Turks, who contribute more than 1,000 troops to NATO's mission in Afghanistan, U.S. nonfeasance is a mystery, if not an outright conspiracy. "How is it that Turkey fights America's terrorists, but America does not fight Turkey's terrorists?" is how Mr. Cagaptay sums up the prevailing mood.

Yet the real mystery isn't U.S. behavior, which was mainly dictated by a desire not to rock the boat in what was (at least until this month), the only relatively stable region of Iraq. It is the forbearance shown to the PKK by Massoud Barzani, Kurdistan's president, who has otherwise sought to cultivate better relations with Ankara and Kurdish moderates in Turkey, and who would have much to lose if an invading Turkish army turned his province into a free-fire zone. One theory is that Mr. Barzani wants to use the PKK as a diplomatic card, to be exchanged for Turkish concessions in some future negotiation. But all that depends on his ability to rein in the PKK at the last minute and avert a Turkish invasion. Yesterday's kidnapping (or killing) of another eight Turkish troops puts that in doubt.

Meanwhile, the PKK has fully reconstituted itself as an effective fighting force under the leadership of Murat Karayilan, who was canny enough to see Congress's Armenian genocide resolution as an opportunity to take scissors to the already frayed U.S.-Turkish relationship. The resolution was turned back at the 11th hour, but it remains to be seen whether it has already done its damage.

All the more reason, then, for the U.S. to pre-empt the Turks by taking the decisive action against the PKK it has promised for too long. But the story of the PKK's resurgence should also remind us of the dangers of premature declarations of victory against terrorist groups, especially when such declarations foster the illusion that you can finally come home. Against this kind of enemy, there are no final victories, and no true homecomings, and no real alternatives other than to keep on fighting.

Don't forget that the IRA has been around as a named organization for more than a century. That's my gripe with the article posted at the beginning -- Terrorism is just as much a part of 19th and 20 century history as the big wars and the big bombs.

178 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:27:36am

VDH:

Where does that leave us? I believe we need to cool the resolutions, continue to talk nicely to Turkey, send out diplomatic peace-feelers, assuage Turkish wounded pride, hope for the best—and start making immediate contingency plans for a possible dramatic break from this erstwhile critical Nato ally.

Absoluto-monde!

179 Llanite  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:28:21am

Interesting that his initial description of black hole as evil devourerers echoes Madeleine L'engle's Wrinkle in Time series (the last of which - A Swiftly Tilting Planet, deals with nuclear weapons in the hands of petty dictators). Too bad Glucksman couldn't stick to that moral compass (strongly Christian) and instead had to veer away towards more 'grown up' philosophies with his Sartre and Nietzsche.

181 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:28:59am

Shallow Voters Judging Candidates by Their Looks

With any luck, this holds true next November and we're spared the Dragon Lady.

182 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:29:32am
183 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:30:10am

re: #180 Carl in Jerusalem

Why is Israel's HOT satellite operator replacing CNN with al-Jazeera?


There really isn't much of a difference it there?

184 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:31:51am

re: #156 galloping granny

Migdal Ohr and John Hagee

185 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:32:31am

Moonbats supporting the troops...

Liberty outraged over grave desecration

LIBERTY — To Jeremy Burris the word "liberty" was more than the name of his hometown. It was something worth fighting for.

An all-American kid from a little all-American town, the 22-year-old Marine lance corporal died heroically in Iraq. More than a thousand people turned out Wednesday as a white hearse carried his body to burial in the historic 1800s Cooke Memorial Cemetery.

Within hours, the grave was desecrated. About 30 sprays of flowers were ripped apart, petals strewn over the loose earth. Flags decorating the gravesite were also torn down and sentimental notes and posters shredded.

"It looked like a big debris field about 40 feet square," said Liberty Police Chief Mike Cummings. "This wasn't done by the wind or animals. It was obviously intentional. We don't know if someone did this for a stupid prank or they were anti-war or what."

186 BenZacharia  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:33:30am

re: #180 Carl in Jerusalem

Why is Israel's HOT satellite operator replacing CNN with al-Jazeera?

'Cuz there's not a dimes worth of difference between them. Al Jizz cheaper?

187 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:34:32am

re: #179 Llanite

A "Wrinkle in Time" was one of my favorite books as a kid...

188 Thanos  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:34:35am

A couple more. One thing I'm noticing which is passing strange - there haven't been any terror attacks for a couple of days now.

20 Taliban (or more) Killed - (notice how AFP writes this up, whenever Nato forces kill Taliban the closest village will try to claim some as civilians even if they aren't due to the practice of paying villages for civilian deaths.)

Gang Rape in India
Update on Siddique - 8 Years

Islamists in Malaysia: Smokers are like Animals

189 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:35:32am

In Iraq, Conflict Simmers on a 2nd Kurdish Front

BAGHDAD, Oct. 22 — Deadly raids into Turkey by Kurdish militants holed up in northern Iraq are the focus of urgent diplomacy, with Turkey threatening invasion of Iraq and the United States begging for restraint while expressing solidarity with Turkish anger.

Yet out of the public eye, a chillingly similar battle has been under way on the Iraqi border with Iran. Kurdish guerrillas ambush and kill Iranian forces and retreat to their hide-outs in Iraq. The Americans offer Iran little sympathy. Tehran even says Washington aids the Iranian guerrillas, a charge the United States denies. True or not, that conflict, like the Turkish one, has explosive potential.

190 Danny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:36:54am

I'm with Buzzsawmonkey. It is very likely that my existence (along with millions of Japanese) is due to Hiroshima. Without it, my father would have been sent into Operation Downfall.

191 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:37:02am

It takes a pretty big village to get Mrs. Clinton the Dem nomination.

Nearly 700 on Pantsuit payroll

Obama's not far behind.

By contrast, Rudy has 189 on his staff.

Now wonder they need to shake down Chinese dishwashers.

192 3 wood  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:38:48am

Good Morning Lizards.

Been buried at work.

In the coming World Series, I'll take the BoSox in 6.

Colorado and the Saaawx have roughly equivalent offenses (Colorado scored 860 runs, Saaawx 867), but Boston's pitching staff gave up 657 runs to the Rockies 758. That, and Boston played in a more talented league.

That is, assuming of course, that the Boston hitters stop trying to jerk every danged pitch out of the park.

193 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:39:34am

re: #185 NJDhockeyfan

Horrible. This is Liberty TX, just outside of Houston?

194 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:41:12am

re: #191 JammieWearingFool

It takes a pretty big village to get Mrs. Clinton the Dem nomination.

Nearly 700 on Pantsuit payroll

Obama's not far behind.

By contrast, Rudy has 189 on his staff.

Now wonder they need to shake down Chinese dishwashers.

It takes a lot of Chinese dishwashers to handle all of Shrillary's spin.

195 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:41:24am

Behold, (or beWARE)
The Socialist-cum-Catholic-cum-lets-give-em-a-state-ch ief -cheerleader
Tony Blair's "Interfaith Foundation" ....
Approved by The Muslim Council of Britain!

Halal!

196 3 wood  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:41:38am

By the way, has Bush been blamed yet for the California fires?

197 tfc3rid  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:41:43am

Morning Lizards!

Beautiful Tuesday morning here in NYC. Will turn to ugly rain by the afternoon...

I'm reading a bunch of stuff right now so I have no comments...

Did we hear if any of our Lizards stuck in the fire zone made it out or are safe?

198 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:42:29am

re: #196 3 wood

No, I believe that one's my fault.


lol

199 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:43:01am

re: #190 Danny

I'm with Buzzsawmonkey. It is very likely that my existence (along with millions of Japanese) is due to Hiroshima. Without it, my father would have been sent into Operation Downfall.

Me three. Dad was doing invasion practice in Hawaii when the big one was dropped. That was after he'd barely recovered from wounds at Okinawa.

200 Spiritualized  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:43:51am

More on the little moonbat "Palestinian" sycophant:
Mistrial for most defendants in Muslim charity trial

"I thought they were not guilty across the board," said the juror, William Neal, a 33-year-old art director from Dallas. The case "was strung together with macaroni noodles. There was so little evidence."

(....)

Jurors heard two months of testimony, mostly from FBI and Israeli agents who described thousands of pages of documents and hours of videotapes seized from Holy Land, from former associates of the group, and from Palestinian charities that got money from Holy Land.

(....)

Neal, the juror, said he found the Shin Bet officer's testimony unconvincing — that he would expect an Israeli official to condemn an ally of Palestinians.

Thousands of pages of documents and numerous videotapes weren't enough evidence? It's odd that this guy is the only person quoted in the article too.

New trial, new jury, preferably without the involvement of loudmouthed, wilfully ignorant art dealers.

201 red satellite  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:44:06am

RED SOX WIN....RED SOX WIN....jeez...that sounds better today, than it did yesterday!

202 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:44:32am

re: #193 Lucius Septimius

re: #185 NJDhockeyfan

Horrible. This is Liberty TX, just outside of Houston?

I assume so. It's in a Houston paper.

Dispicable. isn't it?

203 hayseed  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:45:27am

you can watch the boarding of the space shuttle here

It's really neat

204 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:45:30am

First Tinky Winky; now this:

Potter's Dumbledore Is Gay

Harry Potter creator J.K. Rowling revealed that the wizard Albus Dumbledore is gay, the Reuters news service reported. Rowling outed the beloved character in an appearance in New York on Oct. 19.

Rowling confirmed what many fans had suspected: that she "always thought Dumbledore was gay," according to a report on E! Online.

Rowling said Dumbledore fell in love with the charming wizard Gellert Grindelwald but that when Grindelwald turned out to be more interested in the dark arts than good, Dumbledore was "terribly let down" and went on to destroy his rival. That love, she said, was Dumbledore's "great tragedy."

"Falling in love can blind us to an extent," she reportedly said.


[Link: www.scifi.com...]

205 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:45:38am

Good Morning Y'all - from a mild (69 degrees, going up to 83 degrees) overcast Charlotte!

How is everyone doing this fine morning?

206 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:46:25am

{Babba}!

207 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:46:45am

re: #204 Peacekeeper

Ya I heard.

So....
now what happens to your what a great book it has a Christian subtext just like Lewis argument ?
LOL

208 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:47:05am

re: #174 Ojoe

re: #172 galloping granny

my dad, not mom, once said to me, "Some people are born with larceny in their hearts." But he was a WW2 vet & had seen a lot.

I did not mean to insult all men Ojoe. My Dad has said some pretty wise things to me too. I was thinking specifically of a few "child psychologists" that have gained an international reputation on sheer malarkey.

209 Spiritualized  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:47:15am

re: #180 Carl in Jerusalem

Why is Israel's HOT satellite operator replacing CNN with al-Jazeera?

Doesn't Israel get the BBC too?

There's really no difference between these channels, and in fact on the al-Jazeera version that's broadcast here in the UK, they actually feature more Israeli spokesman than the aforementioned channels.

210 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:48:47am

re: #207 BabbaZee
Gah.

211 The Albatross  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:48:55am

Depressed first year teacher armed with butcher knives, to bottles of vodka and chanting "Death to America"

Tahmeed Ahmad chanted ''Death to America'' and told Homestead Air Reserve Base guards he wanted to kill soldiers.

But Ahmad was no terrorist?

212 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:49:23am

{PEACEKEEPER!}

213 Thanos  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:49:25am

Meeting canceled, I get an hour back...

Malaysian Courts to Review Conversion Laws

Malaysia is reviewing its laws on religious conversion after a recent run of legal battles over freedom of worship inflamed tensions in the mainly Muslim nation, media said yesterday.
Malaysian courts have declined to recognise conversions involving Muslims, referring them to the country’s separate Islamic legal system which ordinarily does not permit Muslims to renounce their faith under law.
“The attorney-general’s chambers is studying the matter,” Malaysia’s de-facto justice minister, Nazri Abdul Aziz, was quoted as telling parliament yesterday.
The attorney-general had formed a special committee, including non-governmental organisations, academics and religious bodies, to study the issue, he said.
“A few meetings were also conducted to discuss possible amendments to the laws related to conversion,” he was quoted as saying by news Web site Malaysiakini.
The recent cases have usually involved couples where one partner is Muslim and the other is not. In Malaysia, Muslims cannot marry non-Muslims and it can be almost impossible to legally leave Islam despite a constitutional right to freedom of worship.
The rulings have angered non-Muslims who believe their constitutional rights are being eroded, but their attempts to voice concern in public have met with a backlash from Muslims who feel conversions threaten Islam. Islam is Malaysia’s official religion and is practiced by 60% of its people.
The ruling coalition is made up of parties representing Malaysia’s main races and religions, but the refusal of civil courts to deal with conversions has upset the coalition’s junior members, who represent mostly non-Muslim communities.

214 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:49:53am

re: #210 Peacekeeper

lololololololol

215 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:51:10am
216 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:51:12am

re: #185 NJDhockeyfan

Moonbats supporting the troops...

Liberty outraged over grave desecration

LIBERTY — To Jeremy Burris the word "liberty" was more than the name of his hometown. It was something worth fighting for.

An all-American kid from a little all-American town, the 22-year-old Marine lance corporal died heroically in Iraq. More than a thousand people turned out Wednesday as a white hearse carried his body to burial in the historic 1800s Cooke Memorial Cemetery.

Within hours, the grave was desecrated. About 30 sprays of flowers were ripped apart, petals strewn over the loose earth. Flags decorating the gravesite were also torn down and sentimental notes and posters shredded.

"It looked like a big debris field about 40 feet square," said Liberty Police Chief Mike Cummings. "This wasn't done by the wind or animals. It was obviously intentional. We don't know if someone did this for a stupid prank or they were anti-war or what."

This is enough to make you throw up.

217 3 wood  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:51:24am

re: #198 BabbaZee


No, I believe that one's my fault.

I thought I recognized your fine hand at work. Detroitistan could use a visit from you as well.

218 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:52:23am

re: #202 NJDhockeyfan

It really is -- I ask because piles of my kin folk are buried in Liberty TN -- the reference in the article to someone working near the Opry gave me pause.

My question to these folks: why should we believe that your intentions are good, and that you love humanity, when you treat people, dead or alive, this way? Have you no basic decency?

To which the reply would be: (screaming) Baby killers! Where was his compassion when he was blowing up babies! etc. etc.

Impossible to reason with people driven by hatred. They are slaves to their vile, destructive urges.

I'm with Burke on this one (from memory, and likely partially incorrect, because I don't have the quote with me): "Liberty is awarded in direct proportion to the willingness to put chains on will and appetite. The the less there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things that those intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their own fetters."

219 3 wood  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:52:36am

re: #211 The Albatross


Depressed first year teacher armed with butcher knives, to bottles of vodka and chanting "Death to America"

Typical faculty meeting as most public colleges I know of.

220 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:52:52am

YO BABBA!

221 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:53:12am

Who will they sue when it overserves?

[Link: www.popsci.com...]


It pours an Old Fashioned, but it’s all modern-day tech. MyFountain is the first fully automated drink slinger.

Beneath the countertop dispenser, a dorm-style refrigerator holds up to 12 types of alcohol and mixers, plus a water-line link and a carbon-dioxide cartridge for fizz. (If all goes well in upcoming trials, it may also stock concentrates from a big-name soft-drink maker.)

Atop the fridge sits the brain: an Internet-linked Windows XP computer. Enter new recipes on the touchscreen or on a personalized Web page, where you can also trade formulas with your friends.

Tap the screen to select a drink

222 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:53:40am

re: #205 realwest

Doing fine, though I'm sort of sorry I went to bed and missing the banning of CharlieSarte or whatever in the wee hours.

How are you doing this wet gray morning?

223 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:53:55am

re: #217 3 wood

I am laughing really hard now.
Yes.... we have special things in store for Dearbornistan!

224 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:54:08am

YO REAL!

225 Thanos  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:54:25am

Note to Alan Colmes:

Confirmation that that Government will re-Try HLF suspects after mistrial declared.

Judge Fish sent the jurors out to discuss whether further deliberations might produce unanimity. After 45 minutes, they returned with a note saying all but one of them considered further discussions to be fruitless.

The judge then polled the dissenting jurors again, citing the possibility of "some ambiguity" in his earlier question about agreeing to the verdicts. The follow-up queries elicited continuing disagreement about Messrs. Abdulqater and Odeh, though the dissenters seemed to agree with the listed not guilty verdicts for Mr. El-Mezain.

The judge then declared a mistrial on all counts, except for those where Mr. El-Mezain was found not guilty. Asked by Judge Fish whether the government would retry the case, the lead prosecutor, James Jacks, answered, "Yes, your honor, my expectation is we will."

226 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:54:43am

re: #201 red satellite

RED SOX WIN....RED SOX WIN....jeez...that sounds better today, than it did yesterday!

It'll sound even better sometime between Sunday night and Thursday night of next week.

227 The Albatross  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:55:22am

Ethinic Cleansing by Hurricane?
"It did not take long after Republican Rep. Bobby Jindal’s victory in Louisiana’s governor’s race for left-wing bloggers to gripe that it was all because of population displacement caused by Hurricane Katrina. Some even suggested that President Bush deliberately let black voters in New Orleans lose their homes so that Republicans could start winning statewide races (even though Republican Sen. David Vitter already won statewide in 2004)."

DU Dummies and KOS Kiddie poster comments look more noxious in newsprint

228 loppyd  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:56:34am

Good Morning, Lizard Nation!

What's the good word?

229 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:56:45am

re: #207 BabbaZee

re: #204 Peacekeeper

Ya I heard.

So....
now what happens to your what a great book it has a Christian subtext just like Lewis argument ?
LOL

Morning BabbaZee!

I would like to hear (and I don't mean this in a snarky way at all) GotC's take on this. My gut reaction is "marketing strategy" since the hard-core Christian right long ago dismissed her work as "satanism." She can't get them, but she can get the "oh I love how open-minded and tolerant I am" middle-brow market nailed down.

230 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:57:23am

re: #225 Thanos

Note to Alan Colmes:

Confirmation that that Government will re-Try HLF suspects after mistrial declared.

Judge Fish sent the jurors out to discuss whether further deliberations might produce unanimity. After 45 minutes, they returned with a note saying all but one of them considered further discussions to be fruitless.

The judge then polled the dissenting jurors again, citing the possibility of "some ambiguity" in his earlier question about agreeing to the verdicts. The follow-up queries elicited continuing disagreement about Messrs. Abdulqater and Odeh, though the dissenters seemed to agree with the listed not guilty verdicts for Mr. El-Mezain.

The judge then declared a mistrial on all counts, except for those where Mr. El-Mezain was found not guilty. Asked by Judge Fish whether the government would retry the case, the lead prosecutor, James Jacks, answered, "Yes, your honor, my expectation is we will."

Skelator shakes his fist at He-Man.

231 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:57:56am

re: #228 loppyd

Good Morning, Lizard Nation!

What's the good word?

Soteriology

232 christheprofessor  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:58:09am

re: #219 3 wood

Ouch!

233 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:59:12am

re: #196 3 wood

By the way, has Bush been blamed yet for the California fires?

Give it a few more minutes.

They'll work the National Guard reserve into it if they haven't already.

234 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:59:55am

For those of you who responded to my piece about HOT (an Israeli satellite provider) replacing CNN with al-Jazeera by asking whether they're the same: apparently they're not. My argument is that the replacement of CNN by al-Jazeera is an attempt by the branja - the economic elite that controls most of the Israeli economy - to condition the population to making 'concessions' to the 'Palestinians.' As if it will matter how much money and technology are left here if God forbid the 'Palestinians' ever take over the country.

235 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 5:59:58am

Afghan Official Loses Job For Inviting Israeli Diplomat To Party

KABUL, October 23, 2007 -- The Afghan government has sacked an official from its embassy in Germany for inviting an Israeli diplomat to an event.

Afghanistan's Foreign Ministry said the invitation was "a technical mistake" made by a political employee. It said the unnamed official had sent the invitation card to the Israeli Embassy in Berlin by "mistake" on the occasion of Afghanistan's Independence Day in August, and that the Afghan ambassador was not aware of the invitation. Afghanistan, like most Muslim-majority countries, does not recognize the Jewish state.

236 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:00:03am

{Loppy}!
Red SOx fever?

237 The Albatross  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:00:48am

re: #233 JammieWearingFool

In at least one case, they said arson... Bush flew out there and set it, no doubt.

238 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:00:53am

re: #197 tfc3rid Good morning to you! I spoke with doriangrey on a thread late last night (I keep messing up my med schedule and wind up staying up later than I should). He's STILL at his home. Said his car bummed out on him again (or for you techy types, it blew a head gasget) but that his area was apparently now safe.
Still no word from freetoken.

BUT our great Lizard friend, Dustoff-507 contacted me last night from Washington State and wanted me to tell y'all that he and most of his unit (Dustoff is a Fire Department
EMT) were headed for San Diego - I think this was around 11:00PM Pacific time - to help fight the fires and save anyone they could.
Dustoff has NO IDEA how long he'll be down in California trying to help folks out.
I hope we can all pray for his safety and, of course, for his mission's success.

239 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:00:54am

Shalom LS

re: #222 Lucius Septimius

There was a war and a banning?
Who? Where?
I don't know any of these new names,
I have no clue who CharlieSarte is (was?)

re: #229 Lucius Septimius

pttthh
The whole fucking "Harry Potter Craze"
is / was a "marketing strategy" from the git.

Everything and everyone is aspiring to be a freaking "brand" today

/spits , walks away

240 BulgarWheat  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:03:12am

#239 BabbaZee

Morning BabbZee, RealWest! How's everyone doing.
Real, thanks for the update on Dustoff.

241 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:04:26am

Hail LOPPY D
{teeny spleeny}

242 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:04:43am

Glad to see the NY Times paying attention.

Even Closer to the Brink

The news out of Iraq just keeps getting worse. Now Turkey is threatening to send troops across the border to wipe out Kurdish rebel bases, after guerrillas killed at least a dozen Turkish soldiers. This latest crisis should have come as no surprise. But it is one more widely predicted problem the Bush administration failed to plan for before its misguided invasion — and one more problem it urgently needs to deal with as part of a swift and orderly exit from Iraq.
243 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:04:47am

re: #222 Lucius Septimius Hey Lucius! Good morning to you!
Y'all didn't really miss much, I'm afraid. I was in the middle of slicing and dicing her (or trying to - man there were a LOT of lizards trying to hammer her with a brick, so to speak) and had her all lined up for the kill shot when WHAMMO Charles blocked her! LOL!
She won't be missed, that's for sure!
I got a dentist appointment early this afternoon so it's gonna be a painful day for me, I'm afraid - how are you doing?

244 loppyd  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:05:18am

re: #231 Lucius Septimius

re: #228 loppyd

Good Morning, Lizard Nation!

What's the good word?

Soteriology

OK, I admit I had to look that up. LOL

245 loppyd  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:06:00am

re: #236 Peacekeeper

{Loppy}!
Red SOx fever?

{PK}

You know it, Baby!

246 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:06:09am
247 loppyd  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:06:45am

re: #241 BabbaZee

Hail LOPPY D
{teeny spleeny}

{Babba}!

Back when U2 was alternative. LOL

248 kcladderman  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:07:28am

re: #233 JammieWearingFool

re: #196 3 wood


By the way, has Bush been blamed yet for the California fires?

Give it a few more minutes.

They'll work the National Guard reserve into it if they haven't already.

There is already a writer at Daily Kos blaming him.

250 Miss Trixie  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:07:46am

&#9836 &#9834 Good morning lizards &#9834 &#9836

:D

251 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:08:29am
252 tfc3rid  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:08:45am

re: #191 JammieWearingFool

Big government?

253 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:08:48am

re: #244 loppyd

re: #231 Lucius Septimius

re: #228 loppyd

Good Morning, Lizard Nation!

What's the good word?

Soteriology

OK, I admit I had to look that up. LOL

That's on my list of $20 words I teach my students so they can sound intelligent at cocktail parties. My main service to society.

254 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:08:49am

re: #247 loppyd

The last U2 Album that I am personally aware of is The Joshua Tree so that tells you where I am with them, lol

Their first two albums will kick ass in perpetuity, IMO, despite themselves

255 BulgarWheat  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:09:25am

#246 BabbaZee

"shalomaromadingdong" Now that would make a cool bumper sticker.

256 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:09:41am

re: #228 {loppyd} Hey loppyd! The good word is that we may actually get a little rain in each of the next couple of days. Charlotte has less than 4 months supply of water on hand and I understand Atlanta is in even worse shape.
And apparently doriangrey is doing ok - fire missed him, went sort of around his place if I understood him correctly!
How are you doing this morning good looking?

257 loppyd  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:10:30am

re: #242 JammieWearingFool

Grasping at straws...

Baseball scores for Fox
Series lifts network to victory over ABC, NBC

Fox keeps twisting the knife. Bwaaahahahahaha.

You know the brass at Fox was praying for the Red Sox to win.

258 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:10:37am

Good Lord - I'm already like 40 comments behind where I came on this morning! LOL!

259 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:11:09am

re: #243 realwest

re: #222 Lucius Septimius Hey Lucius! Good morning to you!
Y'all didn't really miss much, I'm afraid. I was in the middle of slicing and dicing her (or trying to - man there were a LOT of lizards trying to hammer her with a brick, so to speak) and had her all lined up for the kill shot when WHAMMO Charles blocked her! LOL!
She won't be missed, that's for sure!
I got a dentist appointment early this afternoon so it's gonna be a painful day for me, I'm afraid - how are you doing?

I'm doing well -- about to do some "post-test" work with # 2 son. Sorry about the dentist. That's a trip all reasonable people dread.

I was kind of surprised Charles blocked her -- what had she done, besides being a complete psychological mess?

260 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:11:18am

Shocking News: Smoking Police Exaggerate Claims

When you don't have scientific evidence on your side, just make it up.

Note: This does not defend tobacco companies or promote smoking.

261 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:11:26am

re: #254 BabbaZee

Bono is the very archetype for the self absorbed artiste

262 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:12:00am

re: #224 BabbaZee Just YO REAL? No music? WTH?! How are y'all doing this morning?

263 loppyd  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:12:15am

re: #253 Lucius Septimius

re: #244 loppyd

re: #231 Lucius Septimius

re: #228 loppyd

Good Morning, Lizard Nation!

What's the good word?

Soteriology

OK, I admit I had to look that up. LOL

That's
on my list of $20 words I teach my students so they can sound
intelligent at cocktail parties. My main service to society.

You would get along splendidly with my mom the English major!

264 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:12:23am
265 tfc3rid  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:12:28am

re: #204 Peacekeeper

Who the hell cares... It's a book... Fiction... And the series is finished... Is it now PC for every book/TV series/movie to have an openly gay character?

266 albusteve  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:12:58am

re: #251 buzzsawmonkey

re: #227 The Albatross

It is interesting to see the racism of the "liberal" posters for whom Jindal--who as a "brown" person, and a child of immigrants, is in all respects a poster boy for the "diversity" of which they bleat--is being touted as a harbinger of "racism" because he is not dusky enough, or something.

Being "ethnic" is not enough for the liberal bigot; it is necessary to be the right ethnic in the right place at the right time. Liberalism puts one in mind of the Bed of Procrustes in Greek mythology. Procrustes was an innkeeper, in the proto-slasher-film mode; he had a bed that would fit anybody, tall or short. That's because if you were too tall for the bed he would lop off anything that protruded; if you were too short, he'd rack you out until you were stretched to fit. In the same way, liberal ideology demands that ethnicity, desire, intention, and economic verities all be racked out or lopped off to fit the amazing ideological bed.

nice little analogy

267 Spider mensch  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:13:29am

Hey Lizards.What thread is this discussed on?

[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]

don't have much time to hunt. is it earlier on this thread?

268 loppyd  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:13:43am

re: #254 BabbaZee

re: #247 loppyd

The last U2 Album that I am personally aware of is The Joshua Tree so that tells you where I am with them, lol

Their first two albums will kick ass in perpetuity, IMO, despite themselves

Last U2 album I purchased was the Joshua Tree. Shocked? LOL

269 Thanos  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:14:02am
270 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:14:14am

re: #261 Peacekeeper

Yes he is.

271 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:14:47am

re: #227 The Albatross Uh, how is it then that Bobby Nagin (?) or whomever won re-election as mayor of New Orleans?! I'm calling all those who say that about Bobby Jindal’s victory a bunch of racists!

272 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:15:22am

re: #268 loppyd

re: #254 BabbaZee


re: #247 loppyd

The last U2 Album that I am personally aware of is The Joshua Tree so that tells you where I am with them, lol

Their first two albums will kick ass in perpetuity, IMO, despite themselves


Last U2 album I purchased was the Joshua Tree. Shocked? LOL

Zoo Station was pretty good. That's going backs to around 1991, IIRC.

Joshua Tree is a good album, and an interesting place to visit, BTW.

273 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:16:16am
274 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:16:37am

re: #231 Lucius Septimius Oh Man, don't make me go to the damn dictionary this early would ya?! What is Soteriology?

275 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:17:44am

re: #219 3 wood Hey, hi there my friend! Have y'all decided to try for the PGA Tour yet?!

276 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:17:47am

Hillary's Wish List on Her 60th Birthday

On Friday, Hillary Clinton will reach a major milestone in her life: She will turn 60 years old.

Of course, no one can know of a certainty but the following seems a reasonable guess as to what Hillary will be wishing for on her 60th birthday:

Endorsement of Barack Obama by the Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan, OJ Simpson and Michael Vick.

John Edwards sued for $100 million by physicians driven out of medicine by corrupt ambulance chasers/attorneys. Negative publicity forces Edwards to quit the 2008 presidential campaign.

Al Gore arrested for burning hundreds of boxes of "Albert Gore, 43rd President of the United States" letterhead on a no burn day, a felony known to cause global warming. Subsequently, forced to return his Oscar and Nobel Peace Prize.

Slick Willie contracts an untreatable and mysterious strain of impotency that leaves him unable to perform sexually, except with her.

Rose Law Firm burns to the ground in a massive fire of suspicious origin. All records pertaining to Hillary's employment at Rose are destroyed.

Norman Hsu and Sandy Berger suffer unexpected, untimely and suspiciously similar deaths.

Rudy Giuliani arrested for diverting that $10 million check from Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal into his personal checking account for the 2008 campaign.

Mitt Romney found to have more co-wives than Slick Willie has bimbos, past and present. Hillary laughs out loud when musing about what might have been if Slick had been a sex addict and Mormon.

Files containing extremely damaging information about Mike Huckabee's personal foibles in Arkansas miraculously survive the Rose Law Firm fire and end up in Hillary's hands for safe keeping the night before the fire.

Monica Lewinski dies unexpectedly in circumstances eerily similar to those surrounding the mysterious deaths of Norman Hsu and Sandy Berger.

Fred Thompson falls asleep during Republican debate. No one notices except 100 million voters watching on television.

Chinese dishwashers and Latino illegal aliens advised to postpone learning English until after the 2008 election to avoid lies and propaganda from Republicans who hate yellow and brown people, especially those who speak English.

Private security firm reports that domestic spying apparatus at White House can be upgraded to include bimbo alarms and motion detectors/video cameras in that little room so special to Slick Willie and Monica.

Happy 60th, Hillary!

heh.

277 loppyd  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:18:11am

re: #256 realwest

{realwest} Good Morning, handsome!

Has George Bush been blamed for the water shortage yet?

Great news about doriangrey. I saw your post about Dustoff and will be sure
to pray for his safety.

I'm getting geared up for game 1. Trying to decide between a Yooouuuukilis, Papelbon or Beckett T-shirt. Thoughts?

278 Thanos  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:18:50am
279 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:19:55am

re: #229 Lucius Septimius

I heard that Sulu from Star Trek is gay, too. And Gandalf. And Doogie Howser.

/always the last to know

280 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:20:11am

re: #271 realwest

re: #227 The Albatross Uh, how is it then that Bobby Nagin (?) or whomever won re-election as mayor of New Orleans?! I'm calling all those who say that about Bobby Jindal’s victory a bunch of racists!

And the governor prior to Kathleen Blanco was Mike Foster, a Republican.
How you doin' this morning, {real}?

281 loppyd  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:20:33am

re: #271 realwest

re: #227 The Albatross
Uh, how is it then that Bobby Nagin (?) or whomever won re-election as
mayor of New Orleans?! I'm calling all those who say that about Bobby
Jindal’s victory a bunch of racists!

It was Nagin of "Chocolate City" fame....

282 looking closely  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:21:00am
283 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:22:02am

Greets and saluts from the NYC Metro area. Considering the previous thread about AFP carrying water for Hamas, this should dispel any notion that Hamas is nothing less than a terrorist group whose intention is to inflict as much pain and misery on the populace as possible - and doubly so for the Israelis.

284 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:22:03am

re: #269 Thanos

Clinton Campaign Consultancy is good business

Glad to see someone finally mention Penn's connections.

I noted the Penn-Blackwater connection on October 6.

Is it any wonder Mrs. Clinton hasn't said a peep about Blackwater?

She and a slew of Democrats also are taking contributions from one of the attorneys suing Blackwater.

She's nothing if not incredibly duplicitous.

285 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:22:09am

re: #265 tfc3rid

Yes, but that character must not act gay. No psychosis. No man on man kissing, no leather, no anonymous fellation on street corners.
Gay characters in MSM are basically asexual.

286 christheprofessor  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:22:11am

re: #253 Lucius Septimius

My favorite is sagacity (or sagacious)...

287 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:22:45am

re: #271 realwest

Taranto had an interesting take on the whole Jindal thing in yesterday's BotW:


(Jindal's) victory is also an ethnic first, and one that runs counter to the New York Times's stereotype of the South:
[Jindal] is a highly unusual politician, having become the nation's first Indian-American governor in a Southern state where race is inseparable from politics.

It's not exactly clear what the Times means when it characterizes Louisiana as a "state where race is inseparable from politics." Louisiana's most memorable connection between race and politics was the 1991 run-off election for governor, which pitted corrupt former governor Edwin Edwards against white supremacist David Duke. But Duke lost in a landslide and, despite warnings that his 39% showing was an ill portent, he faded into obscurity.

It's true that blacks and whites in Louisiana have disparate voting patterns, with blacks voting much more heavily Democratic than whites do. But this is the case everywhere in the country; and it is probably less true in Louisiana than in most other Southern states. Bayou State whites are more inclined to vote Democratic than those elsewhere in the region: Louisiana was the only Southern state other than Arkansas and Tennessee that the Clinton-Gore ticket carried twice; it elected its first Republican U.S. senator just three years ago; and it is likely to retain Democratic state legislative majorities after next month's run-offs.

There's something odd, too, about casting the election of an Indian-American in "racial" terms. It's reminiscent of U.S. v. Bhagat Singh Thind (1923), in which the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that "a high-caste Hindu, of full Indian blood, born at Amritsar, Punjab, India," was not "a white person" for the purposes of immigration law--even though ethnologists consider Indians to be part of the Caucasian race. [...]

The Times, in ascribing "racial" significance to the election of an Indian-American, seems to see the world through a lens similar to that of "the average well-informed white American" of 1923. And when the paper searches for a link, beyond simple ethnic pride, between Jindal's background and his politics, it comes up empty:

His ascent has delighted many Indian-Americans, who have never seen one of their own elected to such a high political position. Sanjay Puri, chairman of the U.S.-India Political Action Committee, predicted that Mr. Jindal would surprise doubters with the depth of his understanding on policy issues. Others, however, are cautious, saying that Mr. Jindal is out of the mainstream on issues that matter to Indian-Americans.

"The fact that he's of Indian ancestry is a subject of jubilation," said Vijay Prashad, professor of South Asian history at Trinity College in Hartford, speaking of the way Mr. Jindal has been portrayed in the Indian-American press. "But there's a very shallow appreciation of who he really is. Once you scratch the surface, it's really unpleasant."

The Times doesn't give Prashad an opportunity to enumerate the "issues that matter to Indian-Americans" on which Jindal is "out of the mainstream." But we found a 2003 article in Little India in which Prashad explained why, although "I like Bobby Jindal, . . . I don't support him for governor."

Prashad disagrees with Jindal on abortion, stem-cell research, church-state separation and guns. In other words, Prashad takes liberal positions on "social issues" and opposes Jindal because his positions are conservative. That's fine, but these are not issues that "matter to Indian-Americans" qua Indian-Americans.

288 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:22:47am

re: #239 BabbaZee Hey Babba - you didn't miss anything worthwhile by missing CharlieSarte. She said she didn't want to converse with anyone with an IQ of under 150, hated men cause "everyone knows" an overabundance of testosterone has caused all of the problems in the world and I was setting her up for the kill, talking about OUR WARRIORS - soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines having an overabundance of testosterone which made it possible for her to have the freedom to say what drivel she was saying and boom, Charles dropped the banning stick on her clueless head!

289 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:22:51am

re: #262 realwest

So sorry !

290 Spenser (with an S)  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:23:59am

re: #268 loppyd


The last U2 Album that I am personally aware of is The Joshua Tree so that tells you where I am with them, lol

Their first two albums will kick ass in perpetuity, IMO, despite themselves

About '84 or '85 I had a friend try to get me to go see this great band called U2 playing in a church downtown. "No", I said, "I've got to go to this party where Cindy will be". I don't even remember Cindy's last name.

/Dumbass

291 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:24:02am

re: #288 realwest

Sounds......convoluted.

gah! lol!

292 loppyd  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:24:05am

re: #272 JammieWearingFool

Zoo Station was pretty good. That's going backs to around 1991, IIRC.

Joshua Tree is a good album, and an interesting place to visit, BTW.

Did that have "one" on it? I'll be all set if I never hear that song again. So overplayed!

1991 was a pivotal year in music. Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Alice in Chains...

293 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:24:10am
294 The Albatross  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:24:15am

re: #281 loppyd

I would love to see a youtube vid split screen with San Diego Mayor Jerry Sanders and New Orleans Mayor Nagin... The difference of emergency management techniques is night and day. New Orleans needs to get their act together and all their impotent Mayor can do is rant.

295 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:24:34am

I don't care if people are gay. I do care if you ride a float down the street in S&M gear.

296 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:25:08am

re: #240 BulgarWheat Hey there You! Good morning! I was pleased to be able to post that- he was literally running out the door when he sent me that e-mail!
I sure as hell hope his mission is a success and hope and pray he gets home safely. FoxNews this morning was reporting some firefighters getting trapped in some of those fires and dying.
Shit.

297 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:25:12am

re: #281 loppyd

re: #271 realwest


re: #227 The Albatross
Uh, how is it then that Bobby Nagin (?) or whomever won re-election as
mayor of New Orleans?! I'm calling all those who say that about Bobby
Jindal’s victory a bunch of racists!

It was Nagin of "Chocolate City" fame....


It's Mayor Ray "Whiplash" Nagin - whose famous 180s and indecision cost the lives of hundreds of NOLA residents, and has slowed the pace of reconstruction to a crawl.

298 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:25:12am

re: #284 JammieWearingFool

She's more than just duplicitous
she's veritably triglycerous!

299 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:25:58am

re: #274 realwest

Subfield of theology dealing with salvation; usually Christian, but can be used in more general contexts.

$50 phrase: Soteriological archetype

"In the book of Daniel, Alexander the Great figures as a significant soteriological archetype."

300 albusteve  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:26:07am

re: #292 loppyd

re: #272 JammieWearingFool


Zoo Station was pretty good. That's going backs to around 1991, IIRC.

Joshua Tree is a good album, and an interesting place to visit, BTW.


Did that have "one" on it? I'll be all set if I never hear that song again. So overplayed!

1991 was a pivotal year in music. Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Alice in Chains...

gag me!...no disrespesct!

301 loppyd  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:26:22am

re: #288 realwest

re: #239 BabbaZee
Hey Babba - you didn't miss anything worthwhile by missing
CharlieSarte. She said she didn't want to converse with anyone with an
IQ of under 150, hated men cause "everyone knows" an overabundance of
testosterone has caused all of the problems in the world and I was
setting her up for the kill, talking about OUR WARRIORS - soldiers,
sailors, airmen and Marines having an overabundance of testosterone
which made it possible for her to have the freedom to say what drivel
she was saying and boom, Charles dropped the banning stick on her
clueless head!

Man hating is a concept I'll never understand.

302 Thanos  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:26:37am
303 The Albatross  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:26:54am

re: #291 BabbaZee

Actually, she was clearly a very unhappy person, haunted and tortured. Self actualizing her own skewed perceptions. I kind of felt sorry for her.

304 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:27:00am

re: #242 JammieWearingFool Hey Jammie - hope you're doing well today - and thanks for giving me a post to which I can give a short answer: Fuck the New York Times. With Harry Reid.
Ewwwww! I just grossed myself out, LOL!

305 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:27:20am

re: #268 loppyd

re: #254 BabbaZee

re: #247 loppyd

The last U2 Album that I am personally aware of is The Joshua Tree so that tells you where I am with them, lol

Their first two albums will kick ass in perpetuity, IMO, despite themselves

Last U2 album I purchased was the Joshua Tree. Shocked? LOL

Thoroughly enjoyed (and still do, on occasion) "Boy" and "War." Never bought one after that.

306 The Other Les  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:27:55am

We can't dehumanize our enemies, they've already dehumanized themselves.

307 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:27:57am
308 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:28:01am

re: #303 The Albatross

re: #291 BabbaZee

Actually, she was clearly a very unhappy person, haunted and tortured. Self actualizing her own skewed perceptions. I kind of felt sorry for her.

With a touch of Randism thrown in for good measure.

309 albusteve  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:28:44am

re: #304 realwest

re: #242 JammieWearingFool Hey Jammie - hope you're doing well today - and thanks for giving me a post to which I can give a short answer: Fuck the New York Times. With Harry Reid.
Ewwwww! I just grossed myself out, LOL!

well you know somethings just need to be expressed with founded articulation...

310 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:28:55am

re: #292 loppyd

re: #272 JammieWearingFool


Zoo Station was pretty good. That's going backs to around 1991, IIRC.

Joshua Tree is a good album, and an interesting place to visit, BTW.


Did that have "one" on it? I'll be all set if I never hear that song again. So overplayed!

1991 was a pivotal year in music. Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Alice in Chains...

Yes, that the "one"...

Granted, that song was overplayed, but still a decent album.

I saw them play a small theater in Buffalo circa 1983, and they really kicked ass. After that, Bono's head got way too big.

311 loppyd  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:29:41am

re: #300 albusteve

re: #292 loppyd

re: #272 JammieWearingFool


Zoo Station was pretty good. That's going backs to around 1991, IIRC.Joshua Tree is a good album, and an interesting place to visit, BTW.


Did that have "one" on it? I'll be all set if I never hear that song again. So overplayed!1991 was a pivotal year in music. Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Alice in Chains...

gag me!...no disrespesct!

LOL! None taken!

I was in college and at that time hair bands were the sh*t. It was a welcome change for me. I don't care for Pearl Jam's new music, but I worshiped them back then. :)

312 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:30:25am

re: #303 The Albatross

I trust your insight and I am certain you are correct.

313 christheprofessor  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:30:28am

I never could stomach U2 (prefer the SR-71) or Nirvana....

314 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:31:23am

re: #308 Lucius Septimius

Oh no, lol!

315 Llanite  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:31:47am

re: #187 BabbaZee

Me too! Actually, I bought a hardcover that I'll be reading to my kids soon. Well, to be honest I bought it so I could re-read it as a 30-something adult. It hasn't lost any of its shine :-)

316 Miss Trixie  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:31:58am

{realwest} Morning *smoooooch* It's raining cats and dogs here - I'll send some your way today.

317 Thanos  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:32:10am

re: #284 JammieWearingFool
Morning Jammie, yes there are always connections with the Clintons.. usually involving large sums of cash.

318 albusteve  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:32:25am

re: #311 loppyd

re: #300 albusteve


re: #292 loppyd

re: #272 JammieWearingFool

Zoo Station was pretty good. That's going backs to around 1991, IIRC.Joshua Tree is a good album, and an interesting place to visit, BTW.

Did that have "one" on it? I'll be all set if I never hear that song again. So overplayed!1991 was a pivotal year in music. Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Alice in Chains...

gag me!...no disrespesct!

LOL! None taken!

I was in college and at that time hair bands were the sh*t. It was a welcome change for me. I don't care for Pearl Jam's new music, but I worshiped them back then. :)

you observed that it was a pivotal year and I agree with that...but the grunge thing just wasnt my style...I've never wavered in my taste all these years...a good thing?...dunno

319 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:33:21am

re: #307 buzzsawmonkey

Well someone has to be gay becasue there is a whole consumer base out there they haven't tapped yet.
chaching chaching

/spits. stalks away.

320 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:33:24am

re: #267 Spider mensch I have no fucking idea what Pamela is talking about - unless she just wants to make sure people know she attended the Brussels thing.
The idea that Charles and CAIR would be in bed together isn't even laughable, it's libelous.
And to think I used to respect her.

321 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:33:46am

re: #307 buzzsawmonkey

That was sure some unpleasant imagery before breakfast. Bleh.

322 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:34:25am

re: #315 Llanite

I bought myself a used hardcover, gave it away to a 12 year old about a year ago.
I need a new one.

I wore my original out before I was 12,
it literally fell apart.

323 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:34:26am

I never did get why Nirvana was adulated while NIN was breaking out with Pretty Hate Machine.

They rock - and still do.

324 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:34:49am

Good morning all. Another day.

325 The Albatross  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:35:41am

re: #312 BabbaZee

re: #303 The Albatross

I trust your insight and I am certain you are correct.

Awww... thanks BabbaZee. I guess I threw in because I like to think that this is a forum where we don't go after each other, we educate, edify and lift each other up. There are other forums for tortured souls.

326 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:36:07am

re: #277 loppyd Hey sweetie - yeah, wear a Jeter shirt - that'll confuse the hell out of everyone and attract even more attention than you normally get! LOL!

327 tfc3rid  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:36:16am

re: #277 loppyd

Tix on sale noon Mountain time for tix for the WS in Denver, in case you want to go!

328 loppyd  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:36:45am

re: #297 lawhawk

re: #281 loppyd

re: #271 realwest


re: #227 The Albatross
Uh, how is it then that Bobby Nagin (?) or whomever won re-election as
mayor of New Orleans?! I'm calling all those who say that about Bobby
Jindal’s victory a bunch of racists!


It was Nagin of "Chocolate City" fame....


It's
Mayor Ray "Whiplash" Nagin - whose famous 180s and indecision cost the
lives of hundreds of NOLA residents, and has slowed the pace of
reconstruction to a crawl.

And we musn't forget Gov. Blanco who told Bush she needed 24 HOURS to decide whether to let the US Govt. take control of her sinking state.

329 albusteve  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:36:50am

re: #325 The Albatross

re: #312 BabbaZee


re: #303 The Albatross

I trust your insight and I am certain you are correct.


Awww... thanks BabbaZee. I guess I threw in because I like to think that this is a forum where we don't go after each other, we educate, edify and lift each other up. There are other forums for tortured souls.

yea...it's called 'church'

330 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:37:45am

re: #237 The Albatross

re: #233 JammieWearingFool

In at least one case, they said arson... Bush flew out there and set it, no doubt.


Wild fires didn't happen in the US between 1993 and 2001. Just like homelessness took an eight year vacation.

331 loppyd  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:37:49am

re: #326 realwest

re: #277 loppyd
Hey sweetie - yeah, wear a Jeter shirt - that'll confuse the hell out
of everyone and attract even more attention than you normally get! LOL!

EEEEEEEWWWWWWW. Is it me or does he look like Big Bird?

332 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:38:51am

re: #280 redstateredneck Hey {Red} I'm doing fine thank you (a little nervous about dentist visit today)!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY REDSTATEREDNECK, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU! And many mooore! (I'd a put musical notes in there to indicate I was singing, but forgot how to do that!).
Anyway, Happy Birthday Red!

333 Spider Mensch  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:39:53am

re: #320 realwest

Real, yup I was a bit thrown back on that one also. Wonder if Charles will comment on it later, unless he already has and I haven't seen it yet.

334 The Albatross  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:40:44am

Ah, here we go... via Memri, Iran stacking the deck..apparently any weapons development that may limit loss of life in wartime is an accusation of genocide.

Iran Accuses U.S., Israel of Genocide For Manufacturing "Genetic" Weapon To "Kill Specific Peoples"

335 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:40:49am

re: #295 Peacekeeper


How Discriminatory! You don't have to Look!

Frankly, I agree. I don't care if two men want to bump ugly in a home or apartment or hotel room. I don't care if they even know one another's name. (Morally, well, I find it immoral)....

but if you're in a public place, you're involving everyone around you in a nonconsensual way. As you give up your rights to privacy when you're on a float going down the street.

336 albusteve  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:41:08am

re: #332 realwest

dont feel alone amigo...I have a dentist phobia bordering on the unhinged...just your mention of a dentist gives me the willies!...yow

337 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:41:24am

HEH TM

Free drugs are an easy sell, of course, whether on the playground or at the corner pharmacy. Yet as a group, seniors are fabulously wealthy and the vast majority are more than able to afford their own drugs. Bush's plan, surely his most important domestic-policy “accomplishment," is not means tested, so the result is that relatively poorer and younger citizens are subsidizing well-off retirees. That's neither heroic nor conservative, as those terms are popularly understood.

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

.

338 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:41:53am

Coming Soon: A Daily Reminder of Pelosi's Incompetence

Nearly one year after recapturing control of Congress, House Democratic leaders will embark on a publicity blitz starting in November to combat a dismal 25 percent approval rating.


I can't wait.

339 hayseed  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:42:28am

the hatch is being closed on the space shuttle

may be some ice on one of the shuttle fuel hoses

340 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:42:31am

re: #320 realwest

To be fair to Pamela,
people should read the whole thing.
this is also in there:


I have enormous respect for Charles and came to blogging because of LGF. His news site gave me and thousands like me hope after 9/11. He is a crusader against radical Islam. An invaluable resource for news on the global jihad.

The way I read it, what she is upset about is she feels his focus on the Swedish Democratic Party was an error which inspired CAIR To take that tack too,
the same way we all get pissed at what light cetain stories are cast in in the
MSM , she seems to be saying she disagrees with the focus he chose to place on it here and the scant attention paid to it even in the blogosphere.

She was there, and she is very passionate about this thing as she is in all things.
IMO she has the right to disagree with Charles or with anyone without loosing my love and respect.

341 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:43:33am
Slick Willie contracts an untreatable and mysterious strain of impotency that leaves him unable to perform sexually, except with her.

Well, it was Dick Morris, so it isn't exactly carved in stone tablets on a high mountain, but when the Lewinsky scandal broke, Morriss suggested Bill wandered because Hillary was not into men.

Further, someone has claimed ( interweb searchers, to the Bat Cave) that Bill Clin ton has boasted that Chelsea was conceived because he physically raped Hillary on a Bermuda (IIRC) vacation.

342 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:44:12am

re: #319 BabbaZee

Frankly I shudder in anticipation of the S&M Wizards bound to show up now in Zombie's San Francisco photo essays.

343 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:44:53am

re: #282 looking closely I got as far as this in your first link and decided it wasn't worth reading any further: "Hoekstra and Ros-Lehtinen acknowledge that they have personally been “sworn to secrecy,” yet add that: “...based on what we have learned...it is critical for every member of congress to be briefed on this incident, and as soon as possible.”
Nice to know they honor their being personally sworn to secrecy. No wonder the Bush administration finds it tough going in world affairs when two Republicans break their PERSONAL vows of secrecy.

344 hayseed  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:45:00am

Ed hows it look for the space shuttle launch

345 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:45:01am

re: #330 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul

Wild fires didn't happen in the US between 1993 and 2001. Just like homelessness took an eight year vacation.

"Terrorism? What terrrorism?"

346 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:45:13am

Hmmm.... anticipatory self defense.

That sounds vaguely familiar. Like something along the lines of what I wrote back in 1998.

347 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:45:15am

Off to do educate the youngin's

Have a great day, ya'll. Keep chumming the waters of indignation.

348 Thanos  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:45:24am

re: #320 realwest

re: #267 Spider mensch I have no fucking idea what Pamela is talking about - unless she just wants to make sure people know she attended the Brussels thing.
The idea that Charles and CAIR would be in bed together isn't even laughable, it's libelous.
And to think I used to respect her.

I'm not going to get mad at Pamela, but both sides are right. Charles is pointing out that there are some less than savory attendees at these events, which CAIR is surely going to point at as representational - I posted a link last night where they are already using some attendees to characterize Robert Spencer as a Neo Nazi.
On the other hand, should we amplify that and create rifts?
Some of the EU case against Vlaams Belang is overblown, but without some grains of truth it would have no power.
I'm with Charles on this - we must be honest first.

349 tfc3rid  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:46:13am

re: #320 realwest

I'm guessing her point is that LGF didn't show complete support by discussing the controversial figures attending the conference...

I don't get it either... Why would you want to be in bed with 'neo-Nazi's-types'?

350 looking closely  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:46:27am

re: #282 looking closely

Serious update on actual bomb situation:

Stanley Kurtz from National Review Online about Syria Attack.

WSJ Online Senior House Repubs Hoeksta and Ross-Letinen on Syrian Attack


More on Israeli attack. Apparently, despite the Draconian military secrecy, technical/operational details have been leaking out:

[Link: www.sundayherald.com...]

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

351 tfc3rid  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:47:30am

re: #334 The Albatross

Yeah, they kill the specific people they are dropped on... Incredible!

352 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:48:07am

re: #338 JammieWearingFool

Coming Soon: A Daily Reminder of Pelosi's Incompetence

Nearly one year after recapturing control of Congress, House Democratic leaders will embark on a publicity blitz starting in November to combat a dismal 25 percent approval rating.

I can't wait.


What? They're going to try for single digits? The only way they can start improving their image is if they do one of the following:

1) remain adjourned for as long as possible to avoid doing anything that might cause concern - like passing an Armenian genocide resolution, demand the US military retreat from Iraq, even as the US is decimating al Qaeda and pacification of the country appears at hand;

2) pass the budgets without earmarks;

3) keep Pelosi and Reid and Murtha (among others) out of sight, since those three have done nothing but drag down the approval numbers;

....

you get the drift.

353 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:48:18am

re: #289 BabbaZee Oh YEAH! IF ZZ Top don't get your blood moving around, nothing will!
Thanks a lot!

354 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:48:27am

re: #342 Peacekeeper


OH GAHHHHHHHHHHWWWD NOOOOOOOooooooo!

355 The Albatross  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:48:55am

Happy Birthday redstateredneck.

I got to fly too... regular work day, ick. Later lizards, keep fighting the good fight and So Cal lizards, stay safe!

356 tfc3rid  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:49:16am

re: #341 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul

The book a few years ago 'The Truth About Hillary' discussed this...

357 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:49:34am

Publishers and editors at some of America’s top publishing houses have been hoodwinked by the political advocacy group, The Council on Islamic Education, to the great detriment of America’s children. FSM Contributor Gil Sewall describes how the state of Massachusetts resisted this challenge.

The Case of Massachusetts

Here is a snip...

The Council on Islamic Education’s board members make no bones about their view of United States history: “American children need to know that genocide was part of the birth of this nation,” wrote board member Ali A. Mazrui of the State University of New York at Binghamton, commenting on the New York state social studies curriculum in the early 1990s. “The Holocaust began at home.” Council on Islamic Education founder and director Shabbir Mansuri declared in a 2001 interview that he took calls for improved American history and civic education after 9/11 to be a personal attack. He boasted that he is waging a “bloodless” revolution, promoting world cultures and faiths in America’s classrooms. The Council on Islamic Education has staged displays of Muslim prayer for television cameras at California textbook hearings. It has warned scholars and public officials who do not sympathize with its requests that they will be perceived as racists, reactionaries, and enemies of Islam.

358 hayseed  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:50:53am

space shuttle team to look at ice build up on hose.

359 christheprofessor  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:51:05am

re: #348 Thanos

I think that sums it up nicely.

360 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:51:11am

re: #332 realwest

Thanks for the birthday wishes, {realwest} & good luck at the dentist!

361 The Albatross  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:51:38am

re: #336 albusteve

P.S. Y'all need a better looking dentist... that's how I got over it.

362 albusteve  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:51:40am

re: #357 NJDhockeyfan

Publishers and editors at some of America’s top publishing houses have been hoodwinked by the political advocacy group, The Council on Islamic Education, to the great detriment of America’s children. FSM Contributor Gil Sewall describes how the state of Massachusetts resisted this challenge.

The Case of Massachusetts

Here is a snip...


The Council on Islamic Education’s board members make no bones about their view of United States history: “American children need to know that genocide was part of the birth of this nation,” wrote board member Ali A. Mazrui of the State University of New York at Binghamton, commenting on the New York state social studies curriculum in the early 1990s. “The Holocaust began at home.” Council on Islamic Education founder and director Shabbir Mansuri declared in a 2001 interview that he took calls for improved American history and civic education after 9/11 to be a personal attack. He boasted that he is waging a “bloodless” revolution, promoting world cultures and faiths in America’s classrooms. The Council on Islamic Education has staged displays of Muslim prayer for television cameras at California textbook hearings. It has warned scholars and public officials who do not sympathize with its requests that they will be perceived as racists, reactionaries, and enemies of Islam.

earning your 'badge of honor'....I want to be an enemy of islam myself

363 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:51:44am

re: #349 tfc3rid

it wasn't the discussing it was the

focusing on it

that so disturbed her is the way I read the piece.

I would have to do my own research on all of the attendees to make an informed statement of my own opinion.
I don't have one yet.

364 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:52:09am

re: #299 Lucius Septimius OH! Ah, I, uh, see! Thanks Lucius (damned academic types keep coming up with this stuff early in the AM! LOL!).

365 hayseed  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:52:15am

re: #360 redstateredneck

happy b day redstateredneck

366 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:52:43am

re: #334 The Albatross

Ah, here we go... via Memri, Iran stacking the deck..apparently any weapons development that may limit loss of life in wartime is an accusation of genocide.

Iran Accuses U.S., Israel of Genocide For Manufacturing "Genetic" Weapon To "Kill Specific Peoples"

Naturally, being responsible for the evil in human history, the wicked European white males would spare no expense to devise fiendish ways of killing everyone but true Aryans like themselves and THE PERSIANS.
Idiots. This reminds me of those 60s burnouts who couldn't let the WTC dust settle before they were out howling and chanting against "racist war" in Afghanistan. They obviously don't know any Afghans.

367 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:52:50am

re: #340 BabbaZee

I read the post twice.but I still haven't figured it out. One more time...

368 albusteve  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:53:31am

re: #361 The Albatross

re: #336 albusteve

P.S. Y'all need a better looking dentist... that's how I got over it.

haha...I'm willing to give it a shot (shot?!)...oh geez

369 hayseed  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:53:45am

T minus 41 minutes till launch

370 Iron Fist  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:53:55am

re: #295 Peacekeeper,

Especially while publicly masturbating. Somethings simply aren't appropriate for public display.

371 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:54:09am

re: #367 Peacekeeper

third times the charm baby

372 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:55:24am

re: #370 Iron Fist

re: #295 Peacekeeper,

Especially while publicly masturbating. Somethings simply aren't appropriate for public display.

I see you've witnessed an anti-war demonstration.

373 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:55:25am

Oh dear...


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374 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:55:49am

re: #350 looking closely

The Sunday Herald piece is little more than a regurgitation of what is already known, and doesn't actually add anything. If you've followed Hot Air's coverage of that story, you'd find that there's quite a bit of speculation and few firm facts, though that Herald piece ties together the chemical weapon/explosives fire in July with the September 6 raid, which is also something that Hot Air speculated about.

375 Miss Trixie  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:55:52am

{redstateskank} *wmah*

&#9836 &#9834 Happy Birthday to you! &#9836 &#9834
&#9836 &#9834 Happy Birthday to you! &#9836 &#9834
&#9836 &#9834 Happy Birthday redstateskank!&#9836 &#9834
&#9836 &#9834 Happy Birthday to you! &#9836 &#9834

/and many moooooooooooooore!

:D

29 again, toots?

376 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:56:15am

re: #355 The Albatross

re: #365 hayseed

THANK YEW VERY MUCH! ! !

377 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:57:15am

re: #316 {Miss Trixie} Good morining gorgeous and a *smooch* back atacha! If y'all could send some rain down our way, we'd be most appreciative!

378 christheprofessor  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:57:19am

RSRN

Happy Birthday!

379 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:58:15am

re: #375 Miss Trixie

29 again, toots?


Why not...it was a good year.

380 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:58:38am

re: #344 hayseed

Ed hows it look for the space shuttle launch

I don't know when they launch-

Just a few small showers offshore.

NASA Shuttle Landing Facility
Lat: 28.62 N Lon: 80.72 W Elev: 10 ft
Last Update on Oct 23, 8:55 am EDT


Mostly Cloudy

77°F
(25°C) Humidity: 94 %
Wind Speed: S 3 MPH
Barometer: 30.01" (1016.2 mb)
Dewpoint: 75°F (24°C)
Heat Index: 78°F (26°C)
Visibility: 10.00 mi.

Looks ok now...

381 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:59:03am

Happy birthday to Redstate....
Happy Birthday to Redstate...
Happy Biiiiiiiirthday to Redstate....
and you look like one too!

382 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:59:14am

re: #373 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul

huh?

383 loppyd  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:59:14am

re: #357 NJDhockeyfan


Massachusetts resisted this challenge.

Did a pig just fly past my window?

384 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:59:40am

re: #383 loppyd

Michael Moore is visiting, maybe?

385 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:59:45am
386 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 6:59:46am

Iwas thinking of creating a sock puppet. I would name him Irony Fist...

387 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:00:29am

re: #378 christheprofessor

Thanks, {chris}
I can't believe they left me off the "this day in history" page.

388 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:00:55am

re: #371 BabbaZee
I didn't see what CHarles said about the thing. Any link?

389 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:01:30am

re: #382 BabbaZee

re: #373 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul

huh?


Your link to Atlas somehow has that blog thinking I am you.

390 christheprofessor  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:01:55am

re: #387 {redstateredneck}

re: #378 christheprofessor

Thanks, {chris}
I can't believe they left me off the "this day in history" page.

Those bastards!

391 UFO TOFU  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:02:19am

re: #387 redstateredneck
You don't come across as the marching type...

Happy Birthday!

392 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:02:24am

re: #388 Peacekeeper

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

393 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:02:25am
394 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:02:56am

re: #381 LanceKates

re: #385 buzzsawmonkey

Thanks, guys. I've gotten more birthday greetings from my LGF peeps than from my co-workers, friends & family.

395 Spider Mensch  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:02:58am

re: #389 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul

Yup, I saw that too. the link goes to your log in for comments.

396 Iron Fist  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:02:59am

re: #372 Shiplord Kirel,

Just Zombie's documentaries of them. It probably wouldn't be a good idea for me to go to one live. I'd wind up in jail :-(

397 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:03:06am

re: #389 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul


last part of URL (I clicked your link)

atlas_shrugs/2007/10/lgf-and-cair.html?commenter=b abbazee

sounds like a flaw in her system.

398 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:03:10am

re: #389 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul

Oh ....
WTF how did that happen?
eee gad!
Can you post as me?
Try it, let me know

399 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:03:17am

re: #387 redstateredneck

nowhere near old enough to be history.

400 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:03:35am

re: #333 Spider Mensch Well I reported your original post to Charles - if she's wrong she'll learn not to pull on Superman's cape; if she's right, we'll all be in for some education.
I just can't believe Charles would even accidentally find himself in bed with CAIR and if I'm right, as I said, she just stepped into a pile of doo-doo up over her but.

401 albusteve  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:04:01am

re: #393 buzzsawmonkey

re: #386 Peacekeeper


I was thinking of creating a sock puppet.

All this pejorative talk of sockpuppets. Doesn't anyone else remember Shari Lewis with fondness?

sure do...didnt something dasterdly happen with her late in life?...I have some vague memory

402 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:04:16am

re: #394 redstateredneck

runny how that works, but if you need to put it into perspective, you have maybe a dozen coworkers-family members in contact on a daily basis.

There are THOUSANDS of us!

(wait, that wouldn't make you feel better, disregard)

Happy Birthday.... *grabs a paddle*
How many swats this year?

403 Kenneth  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:04:19am

re: #196 3 wood

By the way, has Bush been blamed yet for the California fires?

Dude: Bush caused Global Warming, Global Warming caused the fires, therefore Bush caused the fires. Geesh, like do I have to 'splain everything to you? Have another honk on the bong and get with the program, Dude!

Good morning folks!

404 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:04:24am

re: #391 UFO TOFU

I'm more of a dancer than a marcher!

405 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:04:30am

Any more word from Doriangrey?

I heard, on Don and Roma - WLS AM890, this morning, that they have evacuated Miramar as well.

BTW, good morning. It's about 45F here in SW Chicagoland. I can see my breath. :-)

406 WriterMom  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:04:32am

{BABBA}

407 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:04:37am

re: #393 buzzsawmonkey

Yours could be Monbuzzsawkey...

408 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:04:48am

re: #393 buzzsawmonkey

I loved Shari Lewis lol

409 loppyd  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:05:18am

HAPPY BIRTHDAY REDSTATE!

...AND MANY MOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE!

410 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:05:23am

re: #398 BabbaZee

re: #389 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul

Oh ....
WTF how did that happen?
eee gad!
Can you post as me?
Try it, let me know


An error occurred...
Registration is required

Nope, millions of ersatz Babbazees are not posting at AtlasShrugs...

411 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:05:34am

re: #337 Peacekeeper
Hey PK! WTF is this Seniors as a group are relatively wealthy shit? Every "senior" I know lives from Social Security check to Social Security check including you know who.

412 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:05:46am

re: #406 WriterMom

{WRITERMOM}

413 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:05:47am

re: #403 Kenneth

If Kerry had won, not only would Christopher Reeve have walked, but there'd be no forest fires.

Did you know that Kerry served in Vietnam? I wish he had brought it up more. I heard he got some award.

414 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:06:06am

re: #410 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul

Whew!
lol
thanks

415 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:06:10am

re: #399 LanceKates

You have learned your lessons well at the FOS master's knee.

416 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:06:16am

re: #392 BabbaZee

My verdict; She's over-reacting.

417 Spider Mensch  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:06:36am

re: #400 realwest

re: #333 Spider Mensch Well I reported your original post to Charles - if she's wrong she'll learn not to pull on Superman's cape; if she's right, we'll all be in for some education.
I just can't believe Charles would even accidentally find himself in bed with CAIR and if I'm right, as I said, she just stepped into a pile of doo-doo up over her but.

Hey Atlas is entitled to her opinions. it's her blog. I was just caught a little off guard by it, but I'm not judging at all. as I stated earlier I was just wondering if it had been discussed ealier.

418 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:07:16am

re: #413 LanceKates
Vietnam? Are you sure?

419 The Albatross  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:07:33am

re: #394 redstateredneck

re: #381 LanceKates

re: #385 buzzsawmonkey

Thanks, guys. I've gotten more birthday greetings from my LGF peeps than from my co-workers, friends & family.

I already put this up a couple of days ago... I got tired of waiting for someone's birthday (does that mean I have an impulse control problem? Ack.)

Your Birthday Persian Strip-O-Gram

420 Ben Hur  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:08:07am

Via Dhimmi Watch

Muslims in 'money not words' message


A Government Minister was told yesterday to stop talking and start funding as he addressed a group of young Yorkshire Muslims battling to prevent members of their community becoming extremists.

Jizya in your eye.

421 WriterMom  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:08:14am

I cannot believe that Pamela is suggesting that Charles is on side with CAIR. That is absolutely whacko. Expressing a concern over some of the speakers and their political positions does not equal being a CAIR cheerleader. That is insane.

422 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:08:36am

re: #405 Honorary Yooper

WLS AM890


The station of my youth. In NE Missouri, we listened to WLS for all of our groovy tunes.

423 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:08:37am

re: #339 hayseed Good morning my friend - I hate to say this, but I fear for this shuttle - it's got a woman driver!
(duck and RUNS -albeit on wobbly legs - for cover)!

424 WriterMom  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:09:02am

re: #409 loppyd

loppy-Mark Steyn is gonna be in Boston...only $10 admission at some Temple.

425 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:09:02am
426 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:09:39am

Teacher who attacked base had death wish, FBI says

A Miami Central High math teacher was arrested after attacking the Homestead Air Reserve Base in a failed suicide bid, authorities say.
Wielding two butcher knives bought at Wal-Mart and vodka bottles to use as explosives, Tahmeed Ahmad chanted ''Death to America'' and told Homestead Air Reserve Base guards he wanted to kill soldiers.
But Ahmad was no terrorist, authorities believe.

Rather, the Miami Central High School math teacher wanted to ''commit suicide by cop'' when he attacked military policemen stationed at the west gate just before midnight Sunday, the FBI said.
Ahmad did not get his wish. One officer fired his handgun at Ahmad. He missed.


What? He didn't have an autographed photo of Osama or an Al Qaeda discount card, so he isn't a terrorist? And since when did being crazy disqualify someone from being a terrorist?

427 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:09:58am

re: #423 realwest

re: #339 hayseed Good morning my friend - I hate to say this, but I fear for this shuttle - it's got a woman driver!
(duck and RUNS -albeit on wobbly legs - for cover)!

If they get lost at least she will stop and ask directions.

;)

428 WriterMom  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:10:31am

re: #393 buzzsawmonkey

Mmmmm...lambchops!

429 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:10:41am

re: #415 redstateredneck

I just need to build a lightsaber and confront Vader, then a Jedi will I be.

430 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:10:53am
431 Ben Hur  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:10:57am

Heard on a news report last night that El Nino was responsible for the fires.

They must think the Dems are going to take the presidency.

Then you won't hear about Global Warming, it'll all be about El Nino.

You know, like when Al Gore was VP and Global Warming didn't exist.

432 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:11:25am

re: #418 Peacekeeper

I think so... I don't know... I just wish he would have spoken about it in 04. It might have swayed my vote.

I mean, he's obviously more qualified then, right?

433 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:11:49am

re: #397 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul

re: #389 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul


last part of URL (I clicked your link)

atlas_shrugs/2007/10/lgf-and-cair.html?c ommenter=babbazee

sounds like a flaw in her system.

Heh. No session cookie.

434 hayseed  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:11:53am

re: #423 realwest

re: #339 hayseed Good morning my friend - I hate to say this, but I fear for this shuttle - it's got a woman driver!
(duck and RUNS -albeit on wobbly legs - for cover)!

realwest...at least she will stop for directions.

435 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:12:00am

re: #340 BabbaZee Bullshit Babba - she STARTS her column with this: "It is most unfortunate when a group of Islamic thugs get inspiration from LGF. I never thought I would see the day that CAIR and Charles over at Little Green Footballs would be aligned against a counter jihad movement but perhaps pigs do fly."[emphasis added, realwest]
Perhaps Pigs do fly, but not when it's Charles and CAIR in bed together, I guarantee it.

436 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:12:29am
437 WriterMom  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:12:50am

re: #426 Shiplord Kirel

Hmmm...let's see if I understand this correctly. A Muslim schoolteacher shouts DEATH TO AMERICA , armed with knives and material to make explosives and heads out to an army base BUT HE'S NOT A TERRORIST.
Nope, he was just depressed/mentally ill/in couselling/a nice guy.

Send that to the Grand Poobah.

438 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:12:56am

re: #411 realwest

re: #337 Peacekeeper
Hey PK! WTF is this Seniors as a group are relatively wealthy shit? Every "senior" I know lives from Social Security check to Social Security check including you know who.

Lord Voldemorte is collecting?

Actually the point he makes is that there is no means testing so JP Gutrocks the third is getting the same benefit as you.

439 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:13:11am

re: #416 Peacekeeper

Noted and filed for reference.

440 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:13:13am

re: #430 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, didn't you watch south park? He formed the Legion and fought against Gene Hackman.

441 Spenser (with an S)  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:13:13am

re: #411 realwest

Seniors as a group are relatively wealthy

That sounds accurate according to everything I've seen. Not my parents either, though.

442 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:13:19am

re: #410 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul

Nope, millions of ersatz Babbazees are not posting at AtlasShrugs...

*sigh*

Lost my chance.

443 Ben Hur  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:13:45am

The global-warming hucksters

Buchanan. Yuch. But enjoy.


The scaremongers are not always wrong. The Trojans should have listened to Cassandra. But history shows that the scaremongers are usually wrong.

Parson Malthus predicted mass starvation 250 years ago, as the population was growing geometrically, doubling each generation, while agricultural production was going arithmetically, by 2 percent or so a year. But today, with perhaps 1 percent of our population in full-time food production, we are the best-fed and fattest 300 million people on Earth.

Karl Marx was proven dead wrong about the immiseration of the masses under capitalism and the coming revolution in the industrial West, though they still have hopes at Harvard.

Neville Chute's "On the Beach" proved as fictional as "Dr. Strangelove" and "Seven Days in May." Paul Ehrlich's "Population Bomb" never exploded. It fizzled when the Birth Dearth followed the Baby Boom.

"The Crash of '79" never happened. Instead, we got Ronald Reagan and record prosperity. The Club of Rome notwithstanding, we did not run out of oil. The world did not end in Y2K, when we crossed the millennium, as some had prophesied. "Nuclear winter," where we were all going to freeze to death after the soot from Reagan's nuclear war blotted out the sun, didn't quite happen. Rather, the Soviet Empire gave up the ghost.

Gone to meeting. BBL (you care, I know)

444 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:13:45am

re: #437 WriterMom

I believe we need to chastise Babba...

445 Kenneth  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:13:53am

re: #426 Shiplord Kirel

Teacher who attacked base had death wish, FBI says

Yes... he wished for Death to America. That's what he was shouting.

446 WriterMom  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:13:54am

re: #431 Ben Hur

You remain a hopeless philistine. There is no Global Warming.

It's Climate Change. GET IT?

GOT IT?

GOOD.

447 christheprofessor  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:13:59am

re: #435 realwest

I thought the hyperbole was over the top, as well... That said, I think Thanos summed it up well above.

448 WriterMom  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:14:52am

re: #444 Peacekeeper

Yes.

1,000 lashes with a wet noodle?

449 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:14:54am

re: #419 The Albatross

re: #394 redstateredneck



I already put this up a couple of days ago... I got tired of waiting for someone's birthday (does that mean I have an impulse control problem? Ack.)

Your Birthday Persian Strip-O-Gram


Well, that was a first!
:D

450 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:15:28am
451 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:15:29am

re: #431 Ben Hur

Heard on a news report last night that El Nino was responsible for the fires.

They must think the Dems are going to take the presidency.

Then you won't hear about Global Warming, it'll all be about El Nino.

You know, like when Al Gore was VP and Global Warming didn't exist.

OHFORHEAVENSSAKE! What craponacrutch! Most of these fires were initially set. Add in high winds - not uncommon along the socali coast - and the darned things spread everywhere. Not to mention that California has wildfires every single year. There are always huge fires out west in the summer and fall.

It has nothing to do with El Nino/Nina or global warming. What it has to do with are criminal types that enjoy starting fires and an environmental policy that prevents nearly all timber harvesting on public lands. In the name of "preserving habitats" none of the thick underbrush gets cleared until it goes up in smoke.

452 coz  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:15:30am

Good Morning from the Land of Coz!

453 WriterMom  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:15:51am

re: #445 Kenneth

You said it. Another case of....

>>> SJDS

SPONTANEOUS JIHADI DENIAL SYNDROME.

454 hayseed  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:15:59am

robert spencer at Depaul last night

455 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:16:24am
456 Miss Trixie  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:16:45am

re: #377 realwest

re: #316 {Miss Trixie} Good morining gorgeous and a *smooch* back atacha! If y'all could send some rain down our way, we'd be most appreciative!


I'll do my best, sweetheart, :)

re: #375 Miss Trixie

29 again, toots?


Why not...it was a good year.

1929? Yikes! :P

457 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:17:01am

re: #438 Peacekeeper

re: #411 realwest

re: #337 Peacekeeper
Hey PK! WTF is this Seniors as a group are relatively wealthy shit? Every "senior" I know lives from Social Security check to Social Security check including you know who.

Lord Voldemorte is collecting?

Actually the point he makes is that there is no means testing so JP Gutrocks the third is getting the same benefit as you.

Not exactly. How much you get depends on how much you have paid in. So, if JP Gutrocks has been paying the maximum for the last 40 or 50 years he will get quite some little bit more than somebody who has only been paying the minimum for 10 or 20.

458 coz  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:17:16am

Word of the Day
Tuesday October 23, 2007

inimical ih-NIM-ih-kul, adjective:
1. Having the disposition or temper of an enemy; unfriendly; unfavorable.
2. Opposed in tendency, influence, or effects; antagonistic; adverse.

459 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:17:24am

re: #452 coz

Hey Coz, music video star extrodinaire!

460 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:17:45am

Thanks, {all y'all}, but I gotta go do some work now.
Bastards.
>:-[

461 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:18:03am

re: #448 WriterMom

No, a hard one.

462 Spenser (with an S)  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:18:17am

re: #445 Kenneth

Yes... he wished for Death to America. That's what he was shouting.

Yes, couldn't you say all 19 hijackers had a "death wish"? WTF does that have to do with what made him angry? Much easier ways to kill yourself, he was on the definition of a jihad, FBI.

463 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:18:34am

re: #435 realwest

I refuse to overreact,
jump ugly emotionally
or get in the middle of it.
She happens to be my friend,
and I love her.
I have to look into the whole thing
as I say above
I have not done my own research of any of the players that were there that have been accused of being racists.

I get called a racist all the time, people calling something racist means shit to me till I do my own research which as I said already I have not yet done.

Like I said upthread, It was his focusing on that particular aspect of it that has her so upset was the way I read her article.

464 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:19:05am

re: #457 galloping granny

Understood, but I'm referring to the Bush Prescription drug benefit.

465 UFO TOFU  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:19:16am

re: #451 galloping granny

Not to mention that California has wildfires every single year.


Yeah, I didn't think there was much left to burn here. With all the smoke the air is even funkier than usual.

466 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:19:21am

re: #451 galloping granny

re: #431 Ben Hur


It has nothing to do with El Nino/Nina or global warming. What it has to do with are criminal types that enjoy starting fires and an environmental policy that prevents nearly all timber harvesting on public lands.

Perhaps homeless people set the fires in an attempt to stay warm, so we can blame El Wino rather than El Nino.

(dodging rotten fruit)

467 tfc3rid  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:19:23am

re: #455 buzzsawmonkey

If it is Climate change, it implies that if the globe is not warming, that Climate change is STILL happening....

468 Spenser (with an S)  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:19:55am

re: #457 galloping granny

I think he was saying that the drug benefit is not means-tested, not SS itself.

469 coz  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:20:02am

Tuesday factoids:

A fathom is 1.8 metres (6 feet).

There are more TV sets in the US than there are people in the UK.

Before the year 1000, the word "she" did not exist in the English language. The singular female reference was the word "heo", which also was the plural of all genders. The word "she" appeared only in the 12th century, about 400 years after English began to take form. "She" probably derived from the Old English feminine "seo", the Viking word for feminine reference.

There are no letters assigned to the numbers 1 and 0 on a phone keypad. These numbers remain unassigned because they are so-called "flag" numbers, kept for special purposes such as emergency or operator services.

After the French Revolution of 1789 selling sour wine was considered against national interest and the merchant was promptly executed.

For 3000 years, until 1883, hemp was the world's largest agricultural crop, from which the majority of fabric, soap, paper, medicines, and oils were produced.

George Washington and Thomas Jefferson both grew hemp. Ben Franklin owned a mill that made hemp paper. The US Declaration of Independence was written on hemp paper.

The word malaria comes from the words mal and aria, which means bad air. This derives from the old days when it was thought that all diseases are caused by bad, or dirty air.

470 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:20:45am

re: #467 tfc3rid

Regardless... it is important to band together and just blame President Bush. I mean, it isn't like HE has a Nobel Prize....

*grin*

how's NY treating you?

471 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:21:02am

re: #450 taxfreekiller

yes it is

472 coz  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:21:21am

{Babba}!

473 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:21:23am

re: #463 BabbaZee
Good points. She might have extended to CHarles the same courtesy you extend to her...

474 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:22:17am

re: #175 HouTexJew

Leftist, Euro-weenie art dealer on HLF jury.

[/blech]

I don't know where you're getting "Euro-weenie art dealer" from a guy with an American name and a job as an art director, a title which means he probably works as a manager for other production artists at one of the video game or graphics companies in the DFW area. This is somebody technical, not a guy in a beret working in a trendy gallery selling pictures of Jesus made with cow dung.

Of course, that doesn't excuse his ignorance of Hamas. If he knows enough about Hamas to idiotically call it an "uprising" but doesn't see the terrorism, what the hell is he doing on the jury? I thought juries were selected from people who weren't biased about the issue on trial?

In addition to his being an idiot, one can conclude that some pretty slick jihadist propaganda was presented in the courtroom.

475 coz  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:22:17am

Lance,

Hiya!

/Hi-five

476 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:22:25am

re: #464 Peacekeeper

re: #457 galloping granny

Understood, but I'm referring to the Bush Prescription drug benefit.

Now that one is just pretty much an insurance company scam. Not a bit less expensive than a private supplement as far as I can see - or at least what a private supplement used to cost.

But then Medicare is a disaster from just about any point of view. It is as expensive to seniors as private health insurance is to most of the rest of the country, every single time they get a raise in SS, the cost of their Medicare goes up by 2X whatever the raise was, doctors take it only because they have to because they are so sloooooow to pay up, and it covers nothing unless you are in the hospital darned near dying.

477 christheprofessor  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:22:45am

re: #469 coz

There are more TV sets in the US than there are people in the UK.

That's what the BBC will do for ya...

478 jcm  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:22:50am

Today Mallard Fillmore puts the UN in perspective.

479 coz  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:22:53am

Realwest!

How are you today my friend?

480 Thanos  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:23:17am

re: #435 realwest

re: #340 BabbaZee Bullshit Babba - she STARTS her column with this: "It is most unfortunate when a group of Islamic thugs get inspiration from LGF. I never thought I would see the day that CAIR and Charles over at Little Green Footballs would be aligned against a counter jihad movement but perhaps pigs do fly."[emphasis added, realwest]
Perhaps Pigs do fly, but not when it's Charles and CAIR in bed together, I guarantee it.

The problem with starting that way is that I had already linked earlier to a CAIR piece where they were pointing this out prior to Charles' post. Her assumption that CAIR got it from Charles is wrong.

481 tfc3rid  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:23:20am

re: #470 LanceKates

Nor will GWB EVER have a Nobel Prize, not that he would want it at this point...

NY is all right... There's allegedly a taxi strike on here... Doesn't seem like it but the Mayor's contingency plan actually helps the drivers who aren't 'striking' make about 300 percent more money each day than normal... Genious plan to prevent drivers from striking...

482 WriterMom  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:23:29am

re: #461 Peacekeeper

No comment.

Too early for disgusting.

483 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:23:45am
484 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:23:55am

re: #473 Peacekeeper

I dont expect anyone to act like me, lol


{COZ}

485 WriterMom  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:24:17am

re: #460 redstateredneck

HBD!

486 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:24:30am

re: #417 Spider Mensch Well I know how "terrible" it is to judge someone, even someone who still posts over here, but it seems to me that if you're gonna start off with that sentence I quoted, friendship and some modicum of professionalism would call for her to tell Charles what she's planning on posting and at least asking for clarification, but I think I'd remember something like that being posted out here by Charles.
Ambush "journalism" doesn't do anything for me.

487 loppyd  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:24:49am

re: #424 WriterMom

re: #409 loppyd

loppy-Mark Steyn is gonna be in Boston...only $10 admission at some Temple.

Really? When? Linky?

I have to go to court for a bit. If you have any info could you please email it to me?
Babba has my info.

Thanks!

488 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:24:56am

re: #476 galloping granny

It's all the same, that gubmint cheese.

489 WriterMom  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:25:39am

re: #480 Thanos

Or that the CAIR people don't think of every single angle they can to discredit anything remotely anti-jihadist.

490 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:26:09am

re: #484 BabbaZee
Neither do we.

491 WriterMom  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:26:33am

re: #487 loppyd

Steyn's web site....there is a page with the details.

492 tfc3rid  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:26:52am

re: #483 buzzsawmonkey

Of course... My point is that using 'Climate change' protects them if the Earth isn't 'Warming' to the catastropic level that the Goracle and his ilk believe...

493 WriterMom  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:27:04am

re: #484 BabbaZee

I don't think the world could handle that. LOL.

494 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:27:17am

re: #427 NJDhockeyfan Well, there is that! LOL!

495 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:27:18am

re: #468 Spenser (with an S)

re: #457 galloping granny

I think he was saying that the drug benefit is not means-tested, not SS itself.

Neither is the amount you pay for Medicare. Whether you collect $3K a month in SS or $150 bucks (yes, you can collect that little) you will still lay out over $100 a month for Medicare plus drug benefit. Fairly well over.

496 Thanos  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:27:27am

Here's some background

[Link: uk.reuters.com...]


[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]


Keep in mind that "all non-European immigrants" would mean Jews too.

497 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:28:09am

re: #482 WriterMom

re: #461 Peacekeeper

No comment.

Too early for disgusting.


Oh good grief. You spouted a cliche, I just tried to spin it. I didn't mean that.

498 jcm  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:28:24am

re: #483 buzzsawmonkey

re: #467 tfc3rid

"Climate change" is always happening. The Earth is a dynamic system, always changing to stay in overall equilibrium.

Nobody denies the existence of "climate change"--but whether the planet overall is warming or cooling is a subject of fierce debate, and only delusional fools believe that these changes are brought about primarily by man.



The doom-n-gloomers are always wrong.

499 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:29:32am

re: #483 buzzsawmonkey

re: #467 tfc3rid

"Climate change" is always happening. The Earth is a dynamic system, always changing to stay in overall equilibrium.

Nobody denies the existence of "climate change"--but whether the planet overall is warming or cooling is a subject of fierce debate, and only delusional fools believe that these changes are brought about primarily by man.

It just goes hand in hand with the current belief that Man can BE G_d. We can invent artificial genes, when can tamper with the recipe for life itself, we can cure all possible diseases and illness, we can overcome death.

500 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:30:30am

re: #441 Spenser (with an S) Actually I was talking about me - but as a group that may be right, but I'd want some stats to back that up.

501 BabbaZee  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:30:38am

Oy to the vey

have a good day


WLGF OUT

502 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:30:42am

re: #496 Thanos

Here's some background

[Link: uk.reuters.com...]


[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Israeli Jews, or all Jews including those from European countries?

Keep in mind that "all non-European immigrants" would mean Jews too.

503 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:30:45am

re: #499 galloping granny

but for some reason we still drive in the left lane with our turn signal on, going 10 mph under the speed limit.

504 WriterMom  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:31:03am

re: #497 Peacekeeper

LOL. Lighten up!

505 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:31:24am

re: #499 galloping granny
It just goes hand in hand with the current belief that Man can BE G_d. We can invent artificial genes, when can tamper with the recipe for life itself, we can cure all possible diseases and illness, we can overcome death.

We can perfect human nature.

506 WriterMom  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:31:31am

re: #501 BabbaZee

Oy to the vey

have a good day

HAHHAHHAHAHAHA

507 dmjung  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:32:01am

Just thinking out loud...just an impression and I'm willing to be persuaded otherwise. :)

The distinctions between "civilized" warfare and terrorism seem a little superficial. During WW2 the fire-bombing of various German and Japanese cities was geared to wholesale and indiscriminate destruction/casualties and destroying a military/industrial target during the process was a bonus. I'm pretty sure I've read some older military history books that referred to these as terror-bombings (obviously 50-60's vintage.) Breaking the will-to-resist of the opposing population/nation was considered an important objective and I recall this war concept expressed (without apology) into the 80's. I don't know if this is still considered fair-game.

Perhaps only in the last 15 years or so (since Desert Storm I and the use of precision-guided munitions?) have I noticed a delinking of the terror-aspects of warfare in order to make a possibly artificial distinction between war and terrorism.

508 Spenser (with an S)  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:32:02am

re: #495 galloping granny

Yes, I don't disagree.

509 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:32:13am

Man can never be God.

We poop. That, my friends, is the great equalizer.

No matter your race, religion or moral base. No matter your birthright, economical states or political affiliation, we've all had to sprint to the bathroom on our tiptoes, squeezing our buttcheeks together due to an underestimation of 'how long we can hold it.'

510 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:32:42am

re: #504 WriterMom
I DENOUNCE YOU! Heh. There is way too much flying off the handle. Sorry for taking you there.

511 WriterMom  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:33:18am

re: #509 LanceKates

Don't you think having a soul is a bit more of the universal factor than taking a crap?

512 geoffb5  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:33:25am

re: #37 pat

OK. Another topic. Gibson dissects Neal Gabler ( The Gobbler). For you who do not know Neal, he is a liar on the order of Colmes, but a bit more clever. His trick in a debate is to cite a statistic or fact out of the blue that no one knew was coming. Then claim victory. You know what I mean.

Pat: "Civilian and Military deaths in Iraq were down in September, I think the surge might have an impact".

Neal: "Nonsense. The October floods caused the usual increase in Muslim peace activities, and I have it on good authority that most American and all Irish, British, and Polish troops were kept in barracks during the entire month of September."

Pat: "Neal, I will try to get back to you on that."

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Around my house Gabler is known as "The Turkey"

513 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:33:29am

re: #509 LanceKates

Such wisdom in one so young.

514 tfc3rid  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:33:35am

re: #505 Peacekeeper

Yikes! I recall some people talking about that back in the late 1930's...

515 WriterMom  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:33:51am

re: #510 Peacekeeper

Good. So now should I be disgusting?

:P

516 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:33:57am

re: #248 kcladderman

re: #233 JammieWearingFool


re: #196 3 wood

By the way, has Bush been blamed yet for the California fires?

Give it a few more minutes.
They'll work the National Guard reserve into it if they haven't already.

There is already a writer at Daily Kos blaming him.

Have you ever seen A Complete List of Things Caused by Global Warming ?

I think somebody ought to put together a similar list for George Bush.

517 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:34:00am

re: #447 christheprofessor Good morning to y'all.
Yeah, the beginning sentence was over the top, WAAAY over the top, and any decent writer knows that the first sentence in a piece is what's going to grab the reader to keep reading.
But inasmuch as I used to like and respect Pamela, I'm more than willing to hear Charles' response, although it does piss me off that he has to waste his time defending his anti-jihad status to a "friend".

518 Kenneth  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:34:14am

#455 buzzsawmonkey

Re: "Climate Loose Change"

Another gem. I am so going to steal that!

519 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:34:14am

re: #501 BabbaZee

Go post sumpin!

520 Widow'smight  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:34:29am

re: #415 redstateredneck

For you, the pertiest flower in the state of many repeating consanants......

She's got a way about her
I don't know what it is
But I know that I can't live without her
She s got a way of pleasin'
I don't know what it is
But there doesn't have to be a reason anyway
She's got a smile that heals me
I don't know why it is
But I have to laugh when she reveals me
She's got a way of talkin'
I don't know why it is
But it lifts me up when we are walkin' anywhere

She comes to me when I'm feelin' down
Inspires me without a sound She touches me
and I get turned around
She's got a way of showin'
How I make her feel
And I find the strength to keep on goin'
She's got a light around her
And ev'rywhere she goes
A million dreams of love surround her
ev'rywhere

She comes to me when I'm feelin' down
Inspires me without a sound
She touches me and I get turned around

She's got a smile that heals me
I don't know why it is
But I have to laugh when she reveals me
She's got a way about her
I don't know what it is
But I know that I can't live without her anyway

521 WriterMom  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:34:32am

re: #513 Peacekeeper

!

Get. Out. Of. My. Brain.

522 least  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:35:12am

Islam - - a giant sucking black hole that takes advantage of the fact that humans are more comfortable in the darkness

That's why there's such scurrying about when the light exposes their deeds

523 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:35:26am

re: #452 coz Good morning coz! Hope things are well in cozland today!

524 WriterMom  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:35:35am

Climax Change would be a good 'adult' film name.

525 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:35:46am

Palestinian prisoner injured in jail riot dies

A Palestinian prisoner who was wounded in rioting at an Israeli desert prison died early Tuesday, prompting Palestinian threats of revenge and accusations that the man was abused by Israeli authorities.

The prisoner's death, along with an Israeli raid in the West Bank that killed two Palestinian militants, raised tensions at a time when the Israeli and Palestinian leaders are trying to move forward with preparations for a U.S.-sponsored peace conference later this year.

The Israeli Prisons Service said the wounded man died overnight at an Israeli hospital, hours after he was hit by a "non-lethal weapon" fired by guards during Monday's riot at the Ketziot prison. The prison guards' lives were in danger when they opened fire, it said.

The prisons service did not elaborate on the cause of death and did not identify the dead inmate, saying only that he was 30 years old and had been serving a two-year sentence for harboring a wanted militant.

In the U.S., you get tenure for that.

526 kirly  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:35:56am

re: #509 LanceKates

Man can never be God.

We poop. That, my friends, is the great equalizer.

No matter your race, religion or moral base. No matter your birthright, economical states or political affiliation, we've all had to sprint to the bathroom on our tiptoes, squeezing our buttcheeks together due to an underestimation of 'how long we can hold it.'

lance! bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahah! so true!

man cannot be God man got dookey. lol

527 WriterMom  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:36:14am

re: #522 least

WHOOOOA.

Get thee to MacDonald's for a Happy Meal, and quickly-too!

528 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:36:59am

re: #511 WriterMom

well, many who have a soul claim to not have one. They believe there is no higher authority then they and no matter how high of a pedastal they place themselves, they still have to poo.

Pooing is like death. No matter who you are, it is something you just have to do.

THAT is what makes it an equalizing force. People can't measure a soul and many don't believe in it. It can, therefore, be dismissed as a relic from a dogmatic view of life based on a religious persuasion rather than 'pure science' . . .

To someone who doesn't believe in a soul, talking about it is akin to talking about the easter bunny or the tooth fairy.

If you claim I have something I don't believe in, it isn't equalizing at all.

(clarity: as a christian I do believe in the soul, obviously)

529 jcm  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:37:14am
530 Dustoff-507  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:37:17am

Morning all. This is a quick post but I'm in the San Diego area (Poway)
One of the fire fighters brought his laptop with him. LOL

We may head to Romona to check out that area. I know that a lizard is up there or was I think.

Take care and be safe everyone.

531 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:37:25am

re: #457 galloping granny AH, so JP Gutrocks and I are (or will be once I actually get on Social Security) getting the same amount.
Why is it that I don't find that comforting?

532 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:37:40am

re: #446 WriterMom

re: #431 Ben Hur

You remain a hopeless philistine. There is no Global Warming.

It's Climate Change. GET IT?

GOT IT?

GOOD.

I can remember when the alarmist types started complaining that "Climate Change" was a term contrived and disseminated by Big OilCoBushAdministration to "obscure the debate", and that it should be properly called "Global Warming".

Now that GW is too simple they want it called "climate change". My head hurts.

533 geoffb5  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:38:10am

There have been several quotes from the article mentioned, this one that I like hasn't.

The business of terrorists, after all, is to terrorize—so said Lenin, an uncontested master in the field

The original connection between the left and terrorism. Twins from birth.

534 looking closely  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:38:14am

re: #343 realwest

re: #282 looking closely I got as far as this in your first link and decided it wasn't worth reading any further: "Hoekstra and Ros-Lehtinen acknowledge that they have personally been “sworn to secrecy,” yet add that: “...based on what we have learned...it is critical for every member of congress to be briefed on this incident, and as soon as possible.”
Nice to know they honor their being personally sworn to secrecy. No wonder the Bush administration finds it tough going in world affairs when two Republicans break their PERSONAL vows of secrecy.

Did you read what they said?

They most certainly did NOT break their vows of secrecy; if you read what they wrote, and what is contained in the other three articles I linked to they are remarkably vague about what happened, especially compared to the amount of information leaked out (presumeably) from other sources. EG: information about Mossad placing an agent into the Syrian plant, some operational details about the strike, etc.

What these two Congresspersons have done instead is explicitly asked for President Bush to release them from their vow of secrecy. Obviously Bush can't do that or there will be actual leakage from the other members of congress (with 400+ of them, and many ideologically opposed to everything the President does, that's inevitable).

535 Kenneth  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:38:30am

re: #524 WriterMom

Climax Change would be a good 'adult' film name.

Is that the one with the money shot of "Big Al" getting a "Piece Prize"?

536 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:38:31am

re: #524 WriterMom

Climax Change would be a good 'adult' film name.

Would the film's protagonist "come into money", so to speak?

537 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:38:33am

re: #530 Dustoff-507

Morning all. This is a quick post but I'm in the San Diego area (Poway)
One of the fire fighters brought his laptop with him. LOL

We may head to Romona to check out that area. I know that a lizard is up there or was I think.

Take care and be safe everyone.

Glad to hear you made it down there safely. YOU stay safe.

538 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:38:43am

NATO looking to draw down troops in Afghanistan. Sec. Def. Gates says if they do so, look for the US to pull troops from Kosovo to cover the shortfall.

NATO's European members can't carry the burden - either because of a lack of willpower or a lack of material means, or both.

Not good.

539 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:39:04am

re: #526 kirly

Heh, I first thought of that when reading Hamlet long ago.

540 UFO TOFU  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:39:14am

re: #530 Dustoff-507
Be safe Dustoff. We used to have a saying here that we don't trust any air we cant see, but this is ridiculous.

541 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:39:17am

re: #531 realwest

re: #457 galloping granny AH, so JP Gutrocks and I are (or will be once I actually get on Social Security) getting the same amount.
Why is it that I don't find that comforting?

Nope. You'll be paying the same amount. JP will get much more than you realwest.

542 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:39:18am
543 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:39:32am

re: #463 BabbaZee I understand completely. I just couldn't get around her first sentence which as you well know, being something of a fine writer yourself, the first sentence of a peice is arguably the most important.

544 kirly  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:39:33am

re: #530 Dustoff-507

dusotff - are you a firefighter or national guard or ?

i'm in hemet today working on some family legal issues. the sky is brown! the air itself is brown.

545 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:39:39am

re: #514 tfc3rid

Those people never go away. Just look at American progressives - they want to legislate us all into vegetarian, non-smoking, bicycle riding, bisexual, NPR listening, wierdos. They use the courts but if they had Sturmtruppen they'd use them .

546 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:39:51am
547 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:40:42am

re: #528 LanceKates

Not to sound disrespectful, but if as a Christian you believe (as do I) that Jesus was completely God and completely man, then even our Lord had to answer "nature's call".

548 Dustoff-507  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:41:30am

re: #544 kirly


Fire fighter/Medic/Pilot

Have to go to the fire line. C-ya.

549 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:41:34am

Morning in San Diego, fires spread in the night, moved closer to us, though we're in a fairly safe area, lots of Helos in the air and hear sirens now and then. Wife just went to bed, I'm trying to get caught up. Kids are complaining they want to go to school.

550 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:41:48am

re: #530 Dustoff-507
Godspeed hero

551 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:42:27am

re: #532 Pawn of the Oppressor

re: #446 WriterMom
re:

552 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:42:56am

Today's must read: Bill Roggio on the NWFP and Pakistan. Houston, we have a problem.

553 Spenser (with an S)  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:44:04am

re: #534 looking closely

They most certainly did NOT break their vows of secrecy

Agreed. Pete Hoekstra would not violate any vow, especially when national security is at stake.

554 jcm  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:44:42am

re: #532 Pawn of the Oppressor

re: #446 WriterMom

re: #431 Ben Hur

You remain a hopeless philistine. There is no Global Warming.

It's Climate Change. GET IT?

GOT IT?

GOOD.

I can remember when the alarmist types started complaining that "Climate Change" was a term contrived and disseminated by Big OilCoBushAdministration to "obscure the debate", and that it should be properly called "Global Warming".

Now that GW is too simple they want it called "climate change". My head hurts.

Let's get the terminology correct.

GOREBUL WARMING

;-)

555 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:45:07am

re: #476 galloping granny It's much WORSE than that - I go on Medicare Jan 1, '08. My medicare insurance alone is about $100 a month. My supplemental pharmacuetical coverage is gonna be close to $500 a month. the total exceeds that which I'm currently paying on COBRA.So Medicare together with drug insurance is gonna cost me $600 per month.

556 Thanos  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:47:15am

re: #502 reine.de.tout

re: #496 Thanos


Here's some background

[Link: uk.reuters.com...]


[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Israeli Jews, or all Jews including those from European countries?

Keep in mind that "all non-European immigrants" would mean Jews too.


Mongo not know. Their stance on immigration is extreme, they want to separate the Flemish region into its own state when they were Vlaams Blok. They were ruled "racist" by the EU, and outlawed as a party FWIW.

Here's more [Link: www.dw-world.de...]
-- note the position mentioned at the end, that immigrant's must integrate is the new position, which sounds reasonable. The old postiion was that all must go.

557 WriterMom  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:47:56am

re: #551 galloping granny

Can't hear you!

558 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:48:03am

re: #547 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Yup. And when God became man, it is said that he emptied himself (Phil 2:7) to become human.

In His humanity Jesus was equal to us in all ways but sin (which he did not have until the point on the cross in which he was forsaken to take on the sin of the world as our lamb of atonement.

His divine nature retained the authority of God over all things, as his miracles demonstrated, moving from simple (simple.. heh) changing of water to wine to an eventual resurrection of the dead.

He came not to be served, but to serve.

559 g3n3r1c  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:49:39am

Another puff piece on Hillary - this time in an Arab newspaper

The New York senator and frontrunner for the Democratic presidential nomination also accused the Bush administration's broad brush approach to terrorism of making it harder to understand "what it is we were up against", and expressed concerns about the attitude of the President's nominee for Attorney General to interrogation and "expansive" executive power.

560 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:49:42am

re: #555 realwest

re: #476 galloping granny It's much WORSE than that - I go on Medicare Jan 1, '08. My medicare insurance alone is about $100 a month. My supplemental pharmacuetical coverage is gonna be close to $500 a month. the total exceeds that which I'm currently paying on COBRA.So Medicare together with drug insurance is gonna cost me $600 per month.

Your "supplemental" pharmaceutical coverage is $500 a MONTH? I thought this was supposed to run in the $50 a month or so category for seniors! How many companies did you check with?

561 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:50:03am

re: #524 WriterMom Oooh you have a "dirty mind" - I really like that in a woman! LOL
HEY - ONLY KIDDING HERE!

562 WriterMom  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:50:18am

re: #545 Peacekeeper

There was a study released here not long ago about gay marriage in Canada. Apparently, for all the hooplah-there have been 120 (approximately-I can't remember the exact number) gay marriages and about 20% of them came from the US.

So, WTF is the big deal all about. With a population of about 30 million people-and even if 10% were gay, (although also a disputed general statistic) the percentage of gay people getting 'married' is miniscule.

563 jcm  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:53:16am

Surprise, surprise, surprise.

Iran won't negotiate over atomic rights: president

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran will not negotiate with anyone about its right to nuclear technology, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Tuesday, hours before talks aimed at defusing an atomic row with the West were to start in Rome.
564 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:54:16am

re: #530 Dustoff-507 Hey my friend - as you requested I let the other lizards know of your trip!
Please stay safe, have a very successful mission and get home safe and sound!

565 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:55:02am

re: #554 jcm


Let's get the terminology correct.

GOREBUL WARMING

;-)

That's a capital term you've coined there.

Gorebul warming... Heh.

Seriously, the charge was that some sort of oil company PR group came up with the strateegery of calling global warming "climate change", and then the phrase was made part of GWB's environmental policy language through some sort of unspecified Oil Cabal string-pulling. As usual, this was alleged to be hucksterism produced by the fuzzy gray intersection of "Corporations acting all Corporationy" and "The Bush Administration".

Now it may be absolutely true, but it still leaves me scratching my head when the AGW chickens squawk about the inappropriateness of the term "global warming". Didn't they complain when BushCo started calling it that? I'm confused...

566 Duke6855  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:55:22am

:( Microsoft capitulated to the EU antitrust lawsuit today. really bad craziness, imo.

567 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:55:29am

re: #516 Pawn of the Oppressor

re: #248 kcladderman


re: #233 JammieWearingFool

re: #196 3 wood

By the way, has Bush been blamed yet for the California fires?

Give it a few more minutes.
They'll work the National Guard reserve into it if they haven't already.

There is already a writer at Daily Kos blaming him.

Have you ever seen A Complete List of Things Caused by Global Warming ?

I think somebody ought to put together a similar list for George Bush.

I see fading fall foliage made the list.

They're really up to date.

568 Thanos  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:56:12am

re: #552 lawhawk

Today's must read: Bill Roggio on the NWFP and Pakistan. Houston, we have a problem.


The stuff at the top is good for folks who don't know the situation, but what I found of interest were Bill's bullet point recommendations. There are signs that this is all shaping up, but I wouldn't count on anything big until after Musharraf is legally president, and possibly after general elections are over in January.

A few indicators:
Bhutto has come out very strongly against terror, and her visit to Jinnah's tomb is a sign to all of Pakistan (Jinnah founded the state of Pakistan as an Islamic state, but constantly spoke for a secular gov't. )
Fifty attack helicopters just got delivered from the US.
There are signs in North Waziristan of tribals rising (Dawar) see my link upthread.

569 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:58:52am

re: #560 galloping granny Three. See they all have this thing - once they've spent $3,250, then I have to pay the next $3,250 then they go back to picking it up. My cancer meds run me something on the order of $1400 a month.
That $3,250 I'll have to contribute, if you divide by 12 = $500.

570 tfc3rid  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:59:35am

re: #542 taxfreekiller

I LOVE Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter but they don't have the money nor the support to win it... My hope is that whichever RINO wins the nomination will smartly select one of these men to be a part of their team...

But in all seriousness, I wish they would have more support but it's just not going to happen, and it IS mostly because of the media...

571 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 7:59:36am

...stopped calling it global warming, I meant.

572 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:00:09am

In case you haven't heard:
A massive amnesty for illegal aliens is probably coming up for a vote Wednesday in the Senate.
Senate Majority Leader Reid (D-Nev.) has just filed for "cloture" on S. 2205 (the DREAM Act amnesty).

If Americans don't phone Tuesday until the switchboard shuts down, it looks like we're going to have a brand new amnesty for illegal aliens coming out of the Senate later this week.

PLEASE CALL YOUR TWO SENATORS AND PLEAD THAT THEY VOTE 'NO' ON THE S. 2205 CLOTURE ON WEDNESDAY. Sen. Reid is hell-bent on getting this amnesty through the Senate as fast as possible and before we can fully mobilize the country as happened when we defeated his Comprehensive Amnesty bill in June.

573 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:00:18am
574 tfc3rid  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:01:43am

re: #555 realwest

Yeah, which is insane... How exactly is that a deal for our seniors? Wow... Such a bad idea the whole program...

575 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:01:46am

Quotable Quotes...

WHAT DO DEER THINK?

Ted Nugent, rock star and avid bow hunter from Michigan, was being interviewed by a French journalist and animal rights activist. The
discussion came around to deer hunting.

The journalist asked, "What do you think is the last thought in the head of a deer before you shoot him? Is it 'Are you my friend?' or is it 'Are you the one that killed my brother?' "

Nugent replied, "Deer aren't capable of that kind of thinking. All they care about is, 'What am I going to eat next, who am I going to screw next, and can I run fast enough to get away. They are very much like the French.

The interview ended at that point.

576 jcm  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:02:33am

re: #573 Carl in Jerusalem

The 'humanitarian crises' in Gaza

Year 59.

577 turn  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:02:38am

Shuttle launch in a minute or so
[Link: www.nasa.gov...]

578 hayseed  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:04:04am

re: #577 turn

I thought they were in a built in hold.

579 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:04:15am

re: #575 goodbye_natalie

Quotable Quotes...

WHAT DO DEER THINK?

Ted Nugent, rock star and avid bow hunter from Michigan, was being interviewed by a French journalist and animal rights activist. The
discussion came around to deer hunting.

The journalist asked, "What do you think is the last thought in the head of a deer before you shoot him? Is it 'Are you my friend?' or is it 'Are you the one that killed my brother?' "

Nugent replied, "Deer aren't capable of that kind of thinking. All they care about is, 'What am I going to eat next, who am I going to screw next, and can I run fast enough to get away. They are very much like the French.

The interview ended at that point.

'What am I going to eat next, who am I going to screw next, and can I run fast enough to get away.

Pretty much pegs Ted Kennedy there too.

580 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:04:29am

re: #566 Duke6855

It'll raise interesting legal questions in the near future as software companies there pick apart microsoft's software, stealing it as they see fit, to repackage their own software, then turn around and sell it here.

Then microsoft will have the opportunity to sue, suggesting that while the software may be legal in the EU, it would still violate copyright law here in the US.

Which will lead to illegal download of software chopped from Windows.

however, on a more base and evil level, it will also lead to more virus attacks, as now those who make the viruses can get access to the source code for Windows and other microsoft products and be even MORE malicious.

Thanks EU for making my computer more vulnerable.

However, if the roles were reversed and it was Apple that had the majority of Business, then they'd be the ones suffering the virus threat.

581 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:04:29am

re: #568 Thanos
Pakistan destabilized itself. Time to fight or die General Musharaf.

582 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:04:32am

re: #574 tfc3rid Yup. Costs me more than COBRA which already takes 25% of my SSDI income.
I think the real problem is that Medicare hasn't put anywhere near enough pressure on the Drug Companies to drop their costs for seniors. Hell the most expensive drug I have to take has been on the market for over 14 years; I'd think they'd have covered their R&D expense and other expenses LONG before now.
Mofos.

583 jcm  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:05:36am
584 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:05:48am

re: #575 goodbye_natalie ROTFLMAO! How are you this fine morning?

585 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:05:52am

re: #572 newsjunkie_ky

I can guarentee that Oklahoma Senators will vote no.

586 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:05:52am

re: #556 Thanos

Thanks.

587 turn  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:05:53am

re: #578 hayseed

re: #577 turn

I thought they were in a built in hold.

Yes, sorry I jumped the gun. 9 minute built in hold.

588 hayseed  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:06:34am

I minimize nasa tv and listen in till launch

589 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:06:56am

re: #579 JammieWearingFool

I can guarentee that Ted kennedy doesn't think about running.

By the way, has he become sober yet?

given his surgery, he'd likely be on blood thinners, which would make alcohol a 'no no'

590 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:07:06am

re: #583 jcm Whew! Great link, but Dustoff isn't identified by name!

591 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:08:02am

re: #579 JammieWearingFool

re: #575 goodbye_natalie


Quotable Quotes...

WHAT DO DEER THINK?

Ted Nugent, rock star and avid bow hunter from Michigan, was being interviewed by a French journalist and animal rights activist. The
discussion came around to deer hunting.

The journalist asked, "What do you think is the last thought in the head of a deer before you shoot him? Is it 'Are you my friend?' or is it 'Are you the one that killed my brother?' "

Nugent replied, "Deer aren't capable of that kind of thinking. All they care about is, 'What am I going to eat next, who am I going to screw next, and can I run fast enough to get away. They are very much like the French.

The interview ended at that point.



'What am I going to eat next, who am I going to screw next, and can I run fast enough to get away.

Pretty much pegs Ted Kennedy there too.

ROFLMAO...The French journalist did just that too!

592 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:08:16am

re: #530 Dustoff-507

Thanks. Stay safe.

593 turn  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:08:20am

re: #588 hayseed

Good, I've got a few minutes to catch up on last night's postings while I listen.

594 jcm  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:08:39am

re: #590 realwest

re: #583 jcm Whew! Great link, but Dustoff isn't identified by name!

He's from my neck of woods and just posted from San Diego. Was wondering who they sent down.

595 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:09:25am

From a San Diego Lizard, Thanks Dustoff

596 EC Marm  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:09:28am

I just went back and read the CharlyeSarte comments. While dumb as hell, I couldn't really say that others haven't made some dumber or more outrageous and not been banned. Since CharlyeSarte had less than 100 comments, I'm wondering if Charles has now coded the automagic banning upon some number of dings? Because she was getting dinged like mad.
Charles never commented after the banning, which he often does.
signed,
clueless

597 tfc3rid  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:09:41am

re: #585 LanceKates

I can guarantee that one of my Senators will vote No... The other may have an 'abstain' so as to posture and not hurt her Presidential run...

598 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:09:43am

re: #579 JammieWearingFool

Loppy makes the Ted jokes here.

599 filetandrelease  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:09:49am

re: #575 goodbye_natalie

LOL, that is funny as hell. And I can't wait to pass it along. Ted rocks!

600 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:09:58am

re: #572 newsjunkie_ky HEY - Can you OR SOME OTHER NORTH CAROLINA LIZARD, e-mail Senator Burr (R) he's up for re-election this year and Senator Dole (R) who voted against cloture the last time around?
I'm gonna be in dentists office and don't have the time right now to do it.

601 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:11:29am

re: #597 tfc3rid

Heh... like anyone on the left would fault her for giving free things to illegals. heh.

602 bluegrass boy  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:12:26am

re: #575 goodbye_natalie

that is the funniest thing ive read in a while!

603 Duke6855  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:12:36am

re: #580 LanceKates

To be honest, I believe their purpose is to punish microsoft for being so successful - and they would have done the same to Apple or any other developer, had they been in the position MSFT is today. A byproduct of this is, yes, increased vulnerability to attacks. But what it really is under the surface is second-raters jealous of MSFT's (deserved) dominating success.

605 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:14:26am

re: #598 Peacekeeper

re: #579 JammieWearingFool

Loppy makes the Ted jokes here.

I'm an honorary Massachusetts citizen due to the amount of time I spend there.

I can trash The Swimmer any time I'd like.

Loppyd has given her imprimatur.

606 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:15:27am

re: #596 EC Marm
She's banned? Did she stay on the open thread from last night?

607 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:16:08am
608 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:16:25am

re: #605 JammieWearingFool

re: #598 Peacekeeper

re: #579 JammieWearingFool

Loppy makes the Ted jokes here.

I'm an honorary Massachusetts citizen due to the amount of time I spend there.

I can trash The Swimmer any time I'd like.

Loppyd has given her imprimatur.

I grew up in Taxachusetts. Splash was our senator. My childhood memories echo "inquest into the death of Mary Jo Kopechne....

609 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:19:15am

re: #608 Carl in Jerusalem

The funny thing is, I hear more Kennedy jokes from the people who actually vote for him.

People don't realize it, but there are pockets of sanity in the state. I vacation near Hyannis and there are plenty of Republicans around; then again, maybe they're all from out of state...

610 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:19:19am
611 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:19:54am

re: #603 Duke6855

agreed. Microsoft became the most used as it is the best (a subjective term, I understand)

Not to start an Apple/Microsoft war here, but people complain about Microsoft being so greedy and monopolistic glaze over Apple Computers' own dealings.

Part of why the IBM compatables took off is because that whole system allowed itself to be cloned by other manufacturers... Apple always refused to, only allowing one or two manufacturers to build an Apple Computer (and always under an apple name)

One exception was Star Computers (I think that was the name) who was a manufacturer for Apple until they started to make their own version of a Mac/Power PC, which is when Apple told them to stop or they'd remove their license to make Apple product. (I believe there may have been a lawsuit involved)

While Microsoft made deals with computer manufactuerers to include their software on the computer, even customizing it for the manufacturer, Apple refused.

As a result, Apple has MUCH less of the market.... due to a desire to have total control.... which is why people sued Microsoft.

If Apple had the majority of the share, they'd have been sued.

612 gop_patriot  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:20:49am
613 EC Marm  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:21:20am

re: #606 Pvt Bin Jammin

She's banned? Did she stay on the open thread from last night?


Banned somewhere right before this. I'm wondering if Charles has now coded automatic banning based on:

number of times voting negative
number of times voted negative by others
number of posts being less than some number


I think he was thinking about something along those lines but I don't recall him coming out and saying it.

614 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:21:58am

re: #608 Carl in Jerusalem

I've got my own connections to Ted Kennedy (D-Chivas). He once cited to one of my law review comments. Heh. However, Mary Jo could not be reached for comment.

615 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:22:15am

re: #609 JammieWearingFool

re: #608 Carl in Jerusalem

The funny thing is, I hear more Kennedy jokes from the people who actually vote for him.

People don't realize it, but there are pockets of sanity in the state. I vacation near Hyannis and there are plenty of Republicans around; then again, maybe they're all from out of state...

I grew up in Newton and my Dad now lives in Brookline. Moonbat city. We had a classic liberal congressman who was sane (Robert Drinan), but when the Pope made him quit Congress the district got Barney Frank.

'Nuff said.

616 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:22:25am

Realwest,
Are you sure you are reading your plan right?
My Rx medicare plan is once you reach $2500.00 (out of pocket and plan costs) you then pay 100% of the cost to $3600.00 (I'm rounding #s because I don't have the paperwork in front of me). Then the plan kicks back in.
You can get your meds from a direct supplier which will cost you less.
I use aarp (just for the Rx plan) Check them out if you haven't already. You don't have to join aarp to take advantage of the plan.
I can't get supplemental ins in KY until I reach 65.
Good luck.

617 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:23:33am

re: #613 EC Marm

Or it could be the moby thing.

618 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:24:32am

re: #485 WriterMom

re: #460 redstateredneck

HBD!

TY!

619 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:25:02am

re: #613 EC Marm
I'll check it out.

Actually, that might work for Charles, especially if he was away for awhile and it could be done automatically.

620 M. Bensson-Levi  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:26:12am

Morning All,

When I was a yung 'un, I read Doris Lessings, "The Golden Notebook", a bit of moonbat iconography. Thought that it was complete bullshit. Said so. Was soundly rebuked.

The Nobel Committee has given this nitwit a prize for literature. Not surprising in the least. Seems that the Nobel committee is credible ONLY in the fields of hard science. Everything else is PC bullshit.

Doris Lessing: Sept. 11 Attacks 'Not That Terrible' Compared to IRA

Asshatus Maximus

621 gop_patriot  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:26:19am

re: #610 taxfreekiller

Will we ever be able to squash this shamnesty bill once and for all?
Is that possible, or can they just keep bringing it back every few months?

/not sure how that works

622 Duke6855  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:27:09am

re: #615 Carl in Jerusalem

I just moved out here to Brighton this past summer - it does get irritating at times, and I haven't gotten involved (or informed) about local politics yet. The worst is the talk at the office... ick.

623 cookielady  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:27:28am

re: #621 gop_patriot

re: #610 taxfreekiller

Will we ever be able to squash this shamnesty bill once and for all?
Is that possible, or can they just keep bringing it back every few months?

/not sure how that works

They just bring the same leftovers turned into a different casserole, and think we won't notice or that we'll finally get tired of seeing it and just eat it.

624 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:28:00am

re: #520 Widow'smight

Thanks, {FOS}! Were you playing the piano, as well as singing?

625 Thanos  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:28:24am

re: #621 gop_patriot

re: #610 taxfreekiller

Will we ever be able to squash this shamnesty bill once and for all?
Is that possible, or can they just keep bringing it back every few months?

/not sure how that works

Nope, it's going to keep coming back every few weeks, they are raising money and campaign issues for next year's elections. They are currying favor with immigrant pacs every time they deliver it to the floor. We need to stay awake and aware.

626 filetandrelease  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:28:35am

Launch update

"Everything is ready to go" countdown in 2 mins.

627 galloping granny  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:29:16am

re: #611 LanceKates

re: #603 Duke6855

agreed. Microsoft became the most used as it is the best (a subjective term, I understand)

Not to start an Apple/Microsoft war here, but people complain about Microsoft being so greedy and monopolistic glaze over Apple Computers' own dealings.

Part of why the IBM compatables took off is because that whole system allowed itself to be cloned by other manufacturers... Apple always refused to, only allowing one or two manufacturers to build an Apple Computer (and always under an apple name)

One exception was Star Computers (I think that was the name) who was a manufacturer for Apple until they started to make their own version of a Mac/Power PC, which is when Apple told them to stop or they'd remove their license to make Apple product. (I believe there may have been a lawsuit involved)

While Microsoft made deals with computer manufactuerers to include their software on the computer, even customizing it for the manufacturer, Apple refused.

As a result, Apple has MUCH less of the market.... due to a desire to have total control.... which is why people sued Microsoft.

If Apple had the majority of the share, they'd have been sued.

LanceKates, I'm a little older than you and remember it a little bit differently. When IBM - who at the time was the #1 business machine manufacturer in the world with only limited competition anywhere - decided that they wanted to produce a desktop computer, they first approached Apple. Apple refused to license the operating system to IBM, betting the farm on the product that they were already turning out. Microsoft bought an OS from a third party and grabbed the IBM contract.

Microsoft is not "best" by a long shot and never has been. While apple was producing graphics and color and mouse driven stuff, Microsoft was still turning out green type on a black screen. It wasn't until nearly the 90's that Microsoft came up with a copy of the Apple desktop environment - Windows. A s-l-o-w copy, because whereas in Apple what you see is what you get, in Microsoft, at least until XP, everything ran as a shell on top of DOS. In other words, Windows translated it to DOS, which ran it and translated it back.

I recall spending about 15 hours during the early 90s (92 maybe) printing out 30 pages of graphs, which then had to be cut and pasted on to a separate sheet of paper along with the appropriate formulas/captions because those printed out on a different page from the graphs. This was top of the line software on a brand new, top of the line Windows machine. And then I pointed out that the graph would never be straight because the software was incorrectly programed. Got permission to do the work on the Mac. 25 minutes, start to finish, including adding it into the document.

Microsoft skated to power on the name and reputation of IBM. Period.

628 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:29:27am

re: #619 Pvt Bin Jammin

the danger with that is a clique coming together to knock down a certain poster they may not like, for the power of banning them.

There should always be some sort of review by the one in charge.

629 Iron Fist  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:29:42am

re: #612 gop_patriot,

I'm sorry Pete Stark is such a dickhead. There I apologize for saying bad things about him.

630 filetandrelease  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:29:48am

Update, 10 minutes away, launch at 11:38:11

Will step outside to watch soon.

631 EC Marm  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:29:53am

re: #617 Sharmuta

Or it could be the moby thing.


I'm just curious 'cause there's a really annoying 'stream of consciousness' poster here that comes into a thread, takes over, puts all kinds of inane thoughts into about 50 'paragraphs' and usually makes me flee the thread, no matter how interesting. I know a lot of folks are more than just a little annoyed by her actions. If dinging it took care of the problem automatically, I'd like to know. I'd sacrifice a sock puppet if I thought that would do something.

632 tfc3rid  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:30:45am

T Minus 9 minutes and counting on Discovery.

633 hayseed  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:31:37am

re: #630 filetandrelease

you lucky bastad

634 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:32:22am

re: #208 galloping granny

Hi Granny

I did not take it as an insult at all, I was just giving my dad some note. He's been gone a while, but I remember a lot of things he told me.

Bye for now, off to work.

635 gop_patriot  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:32:40am

re: #629 Iron Fist

re: #612 gop_patriot,

I'm sorry Pete Stark is such a dickhead. There I apologize for saying bad things about him.

LOL!

636 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:32:58am
637 tfc3rid  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:34:06am

re: #636 redstateredneck

It's about damn time!

638 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:34:45am

re: #616 newsjunkie_ky Yeah, those are close to the numbers AARP quoted me - but ya gotta understand, I'm gonna go way over that $3,600 mark by April, then I gotta pay $3,250 out of my own pocket - which annualizes to $500+ per month. And just becoming a member of Medicare Part B (which you have to join to be eligible for pharmacuetical private insurance) cost about $100 per month.
$100 + $500 - $600 per month.

639 filetandrelease  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:34:47am

re: #633 hayseed


LOL, seen a lot of em, nothing like the Titan moon launches though, they were really bad ass. My Dad worked there at the time, so I was fortunate and saw a couple of those launches up close and personal. Lost all the curl in my hair.

640 Golem Akbar  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:36:18am

re: #629 Iron Fist

re: #612 gop_patriot,

I'm sorry Pete Stark is such a dickhead. There I apologize for saying bad things about him.


Allow me to jump in a comment on this: Pete Stark was helpful to the GOP because he was so outlandish, and democrats refused to condemn him. Something about not stopping your enemy when they are self-destructing.

641 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:36:49am

re: #627 galloping granny

well, I don't know what age has to do with anything, but yes, without IBM, Microsoft wouldn't have lasted long.

However, you noted the very thing I was speaking about:

they first approached Apple. Apple refused to license the operating system to IBM, betting the farm on the product that they were already turning out. Microsoft bought an OS from a third party and grabbed the IBM contract.

Apple refused, as they wouldn't have control of the hardware, whereas microsoft didn't care about the hardware. THAT became the beginning of a wide spread of Microsoft software when all of the IBM clones came into existance... you could buy a compaq or a dell or an IBM or even make your own and still use the same OS, Windows.... On the other hand, If you bought a Mac, you had a different OS. While they LOOKED similar, they were different enough that the average joe on the street didn't like to change over (from mac to pc or pc to mac)

While Apple always held its software and hardware tightly, Microsoft let anyone use its software, developing a license agreement, where you don't OWN the software, you just have the ability to use it on that computer.

Early on, yes, there were things a mac could do better than a PC, but computers have progressed so quickly that the difference is minimal in terms of being able to print off a graph in a report.

However, like the perception people have of Las Vegas, when it comes to Microsoft, people always root for whoever damages them.

642 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:37:19am

re: #629 Iron Fist Hello my friend! Hey, did y'all get my e-mail from last night?!

643 Widow'smight  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:37:53am

re: #624 redstateredneck

Why yes, you didn't know I was that talented did you? I have a bouquet of roses and Dahlias I just cut for you. Shall I sent them Express so they don't wilt?

I remember being your age once, although you're much easier on the eyes.

644 tfc3rid  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:38:40am

30 seconds to launch

645 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:38:51am

re: #631 EC Marm Morning EC! Um, care to share the nic of said stream of consciousness poster with us (I haven't seen her postings - just lucky, I reckon!)?

646 realwest  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:40:54am

re: #643 Widow'smight Red is about 33 or 34 iirc!

647 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:43:23am

On a positive note, the coworker I had this exchange with hasn't said one word to me today.

I guess it is a good day! . . .heh.

648 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:43:33am

re: #617 Sharmuta

re: #613 EC Marm

Or it could be the moby thing.

I don't mind being insulted, really. I've had lots of practice with false accusations as well, having been a gun owner during both of Bill Clinton's terms in office.

But that lady was unnecessarily snotty. I have a reflexive negative reaction to snotty (particularly IQ-based snottiness). But I kept erasing my replies, except for one in jest. Gotta keep these things in hand. ;)

OldLineTexan

649 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:45:16am

re: #648 OldLineTexan

you're a gun owner! But Gun Owners are crazy people .... loonies... who want to kill people because they hate life!

*grin*

I've heard some of it too, but I was too young during most of the Clinton Administration to own a gun.

650 Widow'smight  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:45:27am

re: #646 realwest

It's amazing how someone so young can be blessed with so much wisdom and grace. Add to that her Physical beauty and wow, you got Mary Poppins (practically perfect in everyway).

651 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:48:52am

re: #631 EC Marm

Funny- I got her to take off the other night when I questioned if she liked Pat Buchanan.

re: #648 OldLineTexan

It was more than snottiness- she stirred the sh*t, then wanted to play victim. That's trollish/moby behavior and she's been pulling it for months.

652 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:50:09am

re: #649 LanceKates

re: #648 OldLineTexan

you're a gun owner! But Gun Owners are crazy people .... loonies... who want to kill people because they hate life!

*grin*

I've heard some of it too, but I was too young during most of the Clinton Administration to own a gun.

I'm old enough to have been blamed for Reagan getting shot, but not old enough to blame for the UT tower shooting.

OldLineTexan

653 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:50:20am

re: #650 Widow'smight

you got Mary Poppins (practically perfect in everyway).


And you got way more than a spoonful of sugar in that post!

654 EC Marm  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:50:51am

re: #645 realwest

Um, care to share the nic of said stream of consciousness poster with us (I haven't seen her postings - just lucky, I reckon!)?


You are lucky.
*cough* carol *cough* herman
*cough*

655 OldLineTexan  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:52:18am

re: #651 Sharmuta

re: #631 EC Marm

Funny- I got her to take off the other night when I questioned if she liked Pat Buchanan.

re: #648 OldLineTexan

It was more than snottiness- she stirred the sh*t, then wanted to play victim. That's trollish/moby behavior and she's been pulling it for months.

Ah, well, I'm too intellectually challenged to have read some of her longer discourses. All those big words and grown-up thinking are just too much for Joe Average.

OldLineTexan
/do I have to?

656 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:53:13am
An 82-year-old Argentine woman who attracted media attention last month when she married a 24-year-old man has died as a result of heart problems.


I wonder what in the world could have caused that.

657 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:56:26am

re: #628 LanceKates
I agree. Even if it were done automatically, it should be reviewed asap.

658 Widow'smight  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:58:17am

re: #656 redstateredneck

Yeah, but she die with a smile on her face (role reversal)?

I'll see ya later, dogwalk/lunch time. I'll get some sugah back then.

659 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:58:19am

Off to lunch with the mr.
BBL

660 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 8:59:10am

re: #652 OldLineTexan

Heh... remember, people don't kill people, guns magically jump up and do it.

661 EC Marm  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 9:00:00am

re: #651 Sharmuta

Funny- I got her to take off the other night when I questioned if she liked Pat Buchanan.


I remember seeing your comment to her, but I'm sure you never got any sort of straight answer. I don't think it is possible for her mind to go from point A to point B without passing Z,Q,R,E,W,C,I,Y,B,F,J, and X first.

662 Kenneth  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 9:01:29am

re: #647 LanceKates

I just went and read your link. LOL! For somebody who was calling Bush dumb, he sure was stupid himself. But he does have a good point: since as we all know, Bush lied to trick America inot attacking Iraq to steal their oil, obviously, ... but he screwed up by giving the Iraqi's a democratic constitution that guarantees the oil reserves are owned by the Iraqi people and can never be given, sold or transferred away. Geesh, how dumb can you be, Bush! You forgot to steal the oil!

(I don't need a sarc tag do I?)

663 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 9:06:04am

re: #662 Kenneth

Heh. I just thought it was funny that they called a 'time out' when they said they're 'not going to argue about it' . . . then a couple minutes later still ranted.

You could see it STEWING in their brains. heh. Today, they're not talking to me at all. I guess it just isn't fair to engage them in a battle of wits.

and all I did was ask for clarification of their points and offered evidence when they were incorrect.

They did almost all of the talking. heh.

The sad part is, they're actually VERY conservative.... when you get through the exterior and don't frame it as a political conversatoin, they're against illegal immigration and for securing the borders (unless you use the term 'illegal immigration' and 'secure the border'), they're for protecting us from terrorists.... as long as you use different wording so that they don't think you're talking politics.

But they LOVE Obama and hate Bush. And Republicans are evil.

664 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 9:07:29am

I guess I don't understand the "Bush went to war to steal oil to keep his friends rich." bit.....

if all he wanted was oil to keep his friends rich, why didn't he just buy it from saddam? sure, it'd be illegal, but it didn't stop the UN.

Besides, he'd sell it for less than we've paid in this war (and we haven't seen any of the oil!)

665 1redthread  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 9:19:47am

re: #647 LanceKates

On a positive note, the coworker I had this exchange with hasn't said one word to me today.

I guess it is a good day! . . .heh.

That exchange was too funny!

666 1redthread  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 9:22:50am

re: #663 LanceKates

Are you really a liberal? Test.

667 Kenneth  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 9:24:41am

re: #664 LanceKates

Look back at the situation on Sept 10, 2001: support for the UN sanctions were weakening, the UNSC was about to adopt "smart sanctions" which were much more limited -just military or dual-use related stuff. Clinton had agreed in principle to this, and Bush was set to go along with it. The Europeans were salivating over the fat contracts they were inking with Saddam, including a 50 billion Euro contract to TotalFina ELF to develop an Iraqi oil field. No wonder the French were pissed about the war. They lost billions in oil money. Yes, the war was about oil, but not in the way the moonbats think.

668 Kenneth  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 9:27:40am

re: #666 1redthread

I'm guessing Lance scores a zero on that test. I did.

669 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 9:31:24am

re: #665 1redthread
reality is often more humorous than fiction. More sad too.

re: #666 1redthread
Heh, would you believe I said "no" to most of those? lol

re: #667 Kenneth

Very true, my Canadian friend.

670 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 9:33:44am

re: #668 Kenneth

Not 1 did I say Yes to.

I did laugh at #18, given how democrats label themselves as the party of choice... heh.

671 1redthread  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 9:33:44am

re: #668 Kenneth

re: #666 1redthread

I'm guessing Lance scores a zero on that test. I did.

Ha, I meant "Is he really a liberal?", re: his coworker.

My bad!

672 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 9:35:37am

re: #671 1redthread

heh, if you ask them, yes. but they'd frame some of those differently.

They would say that vouchers take money out of the poor over-worked public schools for the sake of the rich people private schools.

There is always a "We are oppressed" mentality with the left.

673 coz  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 9:36:22am

If you dare, hit the button for 2008.
2008

674 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 9:38:59am

re: #673 coz

ok, that was funny.

675 Kenneth  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 9:46:36am

re: #670 LanceKates


A socialist "friend" explained that one to me, yes you are free to make a choice, but you have to choose the responsible choice, otherwise the gov't should make that choice for you. She had no idea how frightening that idea is.

676 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 9:51:55am

re: #675 Kenneth

So, in a choice between A and B, you have to choose A, or the government will MAKE you take A. But that's ok, because who would ever want to choose B?

I mean, the government knows what is best for us and acts altruistically...

blah.

I support the ability to run around your home naked, covered in green jello, clucking like a chicken. Not because I do, or want to.... but just in case I decide to one day.

I am not the most intelligent person on the planet, and nowhere near the wisest.... but I at least know that I don't exist to serve the government.

I don't understand why people who scream and rant about a police state every time a cop uses a taser on someone resisting arrest also somehow want a bigger more intrusive government and an unarmed populace.

677 Kenneth  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 10:04:35am

#676 LanceKates

I support the ability to run around your home naked, covered in green jello, clucking like a chicken.

Were you peaking again? Damn! I better draw the curtains next time!

678 littleO  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 10:04:51am

re: #130 galloping granny

Did Hillary ever actually pass the bar exam. I'm serious.

679 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 10:11:39am

re: #677 Kenneth

I didn't want to name names.....

680 AtlasShrugged  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 10:17:11am

I never said Charles was in bed with CAIR. Read the post. I said that CAIR had got their talking points from the LGF post.

The entire universe knows how I admire and respect Charles. My blog is validation of that but I disagree with him on this.

Give me a break.

681 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 10:22:09am

re: #678 littleO

I had taken both the Arkansas and the Washington, D.C., bar exams during the summer, but my heart was pulling me toward Arkansas. When I learned that I had passed in Arkansas but failed in D.C., I thought that maybe my test scores were telling me something.

hillary clinton
Living History


Your test scores were telling you that you're a dumbass.

682 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 10:23:20am

re: #680 AtlasShrugged

There's an old face... so to speak... I never figured that you thought Charles was in with CAIR... how could one even MAKE that arguement? heh.

I see your point though I would also suggest that Charles doesn't make the same point as CAIR.

Charles noted "not all the people who are hitching a ride on the anti-Islamization movement are doing it for honorable reasons." . . . whereas CAIR would say that NONE of the people are doing it for honorable reasons.

I didn't get the impression when I saw the LGF thread that the conference deal was a racist grouping, maybe that was just my impression of the thread... but I didn't see the wholesale brushing off of the conference.... just the note that not everyone opposing the islamic push are good people.

That said, I'm a fan of yours as well. *grin*

683 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 10:25:53am

re: #681 redstateredneck

If she had an R instead of a D after her name, you can bet that fact would be pushed every time she was on television.

684 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 10:28:11am
685 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 10:30:11am

re: #684 redstateredneck

Heh. maybe, though, it won't matter. I mean, we just have to splash some water on her and she melts, right?

686 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 10:32:34am

re: #685 LanceKates

re: #684 redstateredneck

Heh. maybe, though, it won't matter. I mean, we just have to splash some water on her and she melts, right?

I wish it were that easy. I'm scared to death that she'll win the election.

687 Kenneth  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 10:36:02am

re: #680 AtlasShrugged

You are responsible for how your blog is understood by your readers.

Your words:

I never thought I would see the day that CAIR and Charles over at Little Green Footballs would be aligned against a counter jihad movement but perhaps pigs do fly.

So in fact, you did accuse Charles of being alligned with CAIR. If that's not what you meant, then you really ought to have the integrity to issue a correction and an apology. Don't blame your faithful readers for misinterpreting what you wrote.

688 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 10:38:16am

re: #686 redstateredneck

well, I wouldn't worry much about the war itself.

Here's my prediction, should Hillary win:
1.) She'll meet with the Iraqi Government and tell them to get in shape quickly because we want to leave.

2.) she'll announce to the American people that we can't leave, and have to say to finish the job. I'm thinking that she'll come up with something like "there are classified reports I couldn't access before" that give good enough reason to stay in Iraq. Bush will be blamed for screwing it so badly that we have to mop up under President Hillary.

3.) Nearly overnight, the media will start reporting how our soldiers are now rebuilding roads and schools, providing clean water and power to people in Iraq. (sure, we've done it all along, but now the media will report it.)

4.) soldier deaths will be an aside mention in the news, passing between a story about how republicans are fighting universal healthcare and a story on a dog that dialed 911 with its pee-pee to save an owner. While any good things will be credited to hillary (as was done to Bill), any bad things will be blamed on the 'Previous Administration's bad Policy"

5.) We'll stay in Iraq for decades, just as we did with Germany post wwii, until the fall of the Berlin wall and reestablishment of a unified Germany.

Nothing will be done to secure our border or fight illegal immigration, but that doesn't change if Rudy is the President.

689 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 10:39:37am

Lance
Did you get that letter forwarded by Beach Lover written by Brig. Gen. Jimmy L. Cash? I've found his blog. Good reading, IMHO.

690 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 10:40:58am

re: #688 LanceKates

BUT WHAT ABOUT IRAN? ? ? If Hillary is President, they'll think they're unstoppable.

691 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 10:41:40am

re: #687 Kenneth

see, and I read it as the opposite because of the rest of the context. both were against the racist groups... which is good, racism should never be tolerated. And there WERE racist groups there.

However, while Charles admitted it and said that not all were there honorably, CAIR used that same information to say that NONE were there honorably.

I read her post and didn't get the impression that she thought that Charles and CAIR were in the same boat.

If she has to issue an apology or retraction because of the reader's misinterpretation, shouldn't Charles have to do the same thing to his post as well, if it could be read to infer that the conference was a big racist rally?

Or is it the responsibility of the reader to read the posts and find out the truth?

692 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 10:45:11am

re: #690 redstateredneck

They think they're unstoppable now. President Bush is trying to work through the UN as Hillary would do.

Duncan Hunter would maybe move to strike against Iran, maybe Tancredo.

Rudy? nah.

now, I can say that Hillary would not support Israel going after Iran, whereas any of the Republicans (except Ron Paul!) would.

When it REALLY comes down to it, and it is time to act instead of whine, Hillary knows that she has to save her butt... Even her anti-military husband resorted to using the military from time to time.

I think we'd be in a MUCH worse shape with a socialst president (espcially with a liberal congress), don't get me wrong. she'd do a horrible job and we'd LEAP to the left in this country.

I just really don't see much difference between Liberman and Rudy to justify running him as a Republican. Hillary is a socialist... she should be stopped on every level, but she's not going to follow through on her promises to the liberals... Hillary is for Hillary first.

693 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 10:46:28am

re: #689 redstateredneck

no, I don't think I did. Thanks for the link, I forwarded it to my home email and will look at it tonight.

694 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 10:49:29am

re: #692 LanceKates

So if Rudy is the nominee, will you support him or stay home?

695 Kenneth  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 10:51:49am

re: #691 LanceKates

Read the quote I provided, Lance. Pamela wrote that CAIR and LGF are alligned. That is an outrageous insult. Furthermore, Pamela misrepresented what Charles wrote when she wrote,

Charles painted this herculean effort with one ugly brush and took everyone and everything down with it.

This is Charles' original text:

Organizing to Resist the Islamization of Europe
Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 12:39:30 pm PST

A coalition of Europeans and Americans is organizing to resist Islamization.

UPDATE at 10/19/07 2:06:09 pm:

It’s important to note that not all the people who are hitching a ride on the anti-Islamization movement are doing it for honorable reasons. There are serious issues around the participation of Filip Dewinter (of the ultra-nationalist Vlaams Belang party, successor to Vlaams Blok). And LGF reader “Dave of Sweden” points out another problematic member:

Unfortunately, the Swedish representative Ekeroth is a member of a pretty vile party called Sverigedemokraterna (Sweden democrats), which was originally an openly racist organization. Recently they’ve tried to put up a different facade, but I’m not convinced.

UPDATE at 10/19/07 4:04:49 pm:

Some readers are taking issue with “Dave of Sweden’s” characterization of Sverigedemokraterna. In the interest of fairness, here’s their website so readers can investigate their current policies for themselves: Sverigedemokraterna.

So rather than paint them all with one ugly brush, Charles referred to the questionable background of 2 of the participants. But he still provided a link, in fairness, so people can judge for themselves.

Sorry Lance. Charles is being evenhanded and reasonable. Pamela is coming off jumping to conclusions, making sweeping comparisons and wrote a rather nasty slur at Charles. I'm very dissapointed.

696 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 10:57:33am

re: #694 redstateredneck

you know... that really is a tough one.

There are actually 3 options:

1.) Vote for a liberal Republican for the sake of trying to keep hillary out of the office.

2.) Vote for a conservative 3rd Party

3.) Not vote for President

each has positives and negatives:

Positives:

1.) Keeps things out of Hillary's reach, and even though Rudy's a liberal, he's not a socialist (as far as I know)

2.) My mind is comforted that I voted my conscious and political beliefs, and I can just accept that the majority of the country (no matter who wins) is just more liberal than I am.... and I have to live with it, but at least took part and voted as is my right.

3.) I can hopefully send a message to the republican party that moving to the left does not mean that they automatically get MY vote (which is why they're safe moving to the left.... they know a conservative will not vote for a democrat.... and they push the idea that we only have 2 parties)

.... each also has a negative:

1.) I support the Republican Party's slide to the left to try and capture the moderate voters abandoned by the democrat party's slide into socialism, betraying the conservative ideals I believe in for the sake of "Anyone but Hillary!" (Which isn't any better than "anyone but Bush!" except that we like Bush more than Hillary)

2.) 3rd party really doesn't stand a chance of winning when people are droned to believe that you vote democrat or republican or you elect the opposite side (And it happens... "You can't vote third party, that's just like voting for hillary!" . . . No, voting for hillary is voting for hillary.)

3.) what business do I have bitching and complaining when I didn't even have the courage to vote?

So, to be honest.... I don't know at this point. I could make everyone happy and say "I'll always vote republican!" . . . but I'd rather be honest and say "I don't know at this point."

697 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:03:49am

re: #696 LanceKates

That is why Hillary is going to be elected. There are too many people who feel like you do. I'm taking curtain number one because I believe that Hillary can and will damage this country beyond all recognition.

698 Widow'smight  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:05:07am

re: #681 redstateredneck

Like I said, Mary Poppinish

699 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:05:21am

re: #695 Kenneth

I'm not making a judgement either way...

One could say that because charles didn't note any POSITIVE aspects to the conference, that there was only one view of the conference given... which was that it was racist.

While I think the wording can be easily misunderstood, so could Charles' post.

I understood that Charles didn't think that the conference was a bunch of racists, and I understood what Atlas had to say as well.

I don't think that atlas needs to issue an apology or correction. Charles didn't correct his post to point out that he specifically doesn't think that the conference was a gathering of racists (which CAIR asserts) , and also doesn't need to.

That people can misunderstand one another over the internet is no new thing.

I don't much like the LGF reference in her post, though I do again point out that while LGF said that not all are honorable, CAIR's viewpoint was that NONE were honorable.

700 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:10:30am

re: #697 redstateredneck

But the republican slide to the left is negative behavior. for the conservatives to continue to vote for them out of fear of liberal rule will only reward the republicans and reinforce the idea that the conservatives will never abandon them (so they can keep ignoring them and keep moving to the left) until it is the republicans that are the liberal party.

Then there will be a socialist party, a liberal party, and no conservative party.

Either way, we end up run by liberals.... with no conservative option available.

Conservatives need to band together to make a new conservative party if the republicans are going to keep sliding to the left to capture 'moderates' and 'undecided' voters.

that won't happen as long as they keep believing that a republican is better, even if they're a liberal.

I mean... to make Rudy look conservative, you have to compare him to Hillary.

I think the only Americans to the left of Hillary are Michael Moore and Rosie (Who I'm still convinced are the same person, just wearing different clothes)

701 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:13:05am

re: #700 LanceKates

Standing on principal is fine as long as you've still got legs to stand on. When Hillary gets done with the country, we'll all be crawling around.

702 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:13:30am

principal/principle

703 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:17:06am
This country has started to soften by not enforcing its laws, which is another indication of a Republic about to fall. All Democrats, along with the Hollywood elite, are sending us headlong into a total defeat in the Middle East, which will finally give Iran total dominance in the region. A lack of oil in the near future will be the final straw that dooms this Republic. However, if we refuse to let this happen and really get serious about an energy self-sufficiency program, this can be avoided. I am afraid, however, that we are going in the opposite direction. If we elect Hillary Clinton and a Democrat controlled congress, and they carry through with allowing Iran to take control of the Middle East, continue to refuse development of nuclear energy, refuse to allow drilling for new oil, and continue to do nothing but oppose everything Bush, it will be over in terms of what we view as the good life in the USA.


JIM CASH, Brig. Gen., USAF, Ret.

704 Widow'smight  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:19:33am

re: #701 redstateredneck

I'm getting a peg-leg, some Capt'n Morgan, a sword, eyepatch and Parrot. Arrrrrrrrrrllllll me buck goes to the government then.

705 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:20:55am

re: #701 redstateredneck

sometimes it takes horrible events for people to realize what is important.

We've gotten to lax and used to great things that we're losing a grip on why we need to hold to conservative ideals.

Would we have fought the terrorists without 9/11? Would we have officially entered world war 2 without Pearl Harbor? Would the founding fathers have bothered with the Revolution if they had just played along with the existing political system?

While no one WANTS bad things to happen, and we should ALWAYS strive to avoid them, sometimes we can draw hope that even if someting bad happens, we as a whole can learn from it.

If you don't stand on principle when it comes to the leaders of this country, when should we? Why have an attitude of "well, we SHOULD do this, but we're going to do that instead because there's no hope...."

Why even bother voting republican? Why don't we just switch to Democrat and all push for Liberman?

We treat this as a "The Brakes are out, there's no point in steering" situation. We just accept it.

706 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:28:36am

and like I said. I don't know if I'll vote for Rudy if he's the Republican nominee or not.

That's not saying that I won't. It is just saying that I don't know.

I guess that'd make me an undecided... but as a conservative undecided, the Republican Party doesn't much care.

They know I won't vote for Hillary, and that seems to be good enough for them.

707 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:30:20am

Besides... Rudy isn't the nominee.

Not yet anyway.

But, let's turn it around on you...

Redstate... would you vote republican for Ron Paul?

708 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:32:14am
Redstate... would you vote republican for Ron Paul?


AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHH HHH!

I would; however, vote for any of the rest of them if they were nominated.

709 Kenneth  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:34:03am

re: #699 LanceKates

I do agree Charles could have, should have written more about the better members of the conference -the link he provided gave some more info. But I am not disagreeing with Pam for objecting to Charles' post, just the manner in which she expressed it. Anyway, up thread, Pamela (sort of) apologized to Charles, and Charles (sort of) graciously accepted. I'm sure they will get over this little spat.

BTW, about Rudy (I've been following your discussion with red), I'm reminded of that old song by the Rolling Stones, "You can't always get what you want..."

It's a fact of modern US elections, the winner is always in the centre because that's where the most votes are. Come October the differences between Rudy & Hillary will be very slight. Sad but true. Rudy at least has the integrity to tell the conservative base of the Republicans, "Look, you don't agree with me on everything, but we do share some ideas & I'm not going to lie to you about the others. This is what I will do as President...can you support me?" At the end of the day, what counts is what the President will actually do, not what he or she says they believe. Rudy will fight the War Against Islamofascism.

710 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:34:27am

Ron Paul being the Republican nominee is about as likely as Dennis Kucinich being the Democratic nominee.

711 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:36:45am

Speaking of Kucinich, did you see on Drudge where Shirley MacLaine said Kucinich saw a UFO at her house?
/cue weirod music

712 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:39:53am

re: #708 redstateredneck

you WOULD vote for Ron Paul, if he were the republican candidate?

re: #710 redstateredneck

well, regardless... if we're talking about standing on principle or voting for party lines, the comparison fits.

713 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:43:30am

re: #709 Kenneth

I think regarding Charles/Atlas, we agree then. heh.

and about Rudy, I'm afraid of some of the things that he would do for the sake of 'compromise' with the Dems for war funding.

They would exploit his pro-gun control stances to pass all sorts of things.

Also, if we're going to base things on what they do rather than what they say, then we can ignore his promise to appoint conservative judges, given the judges he appointed as mayor.

In fact, one might go so far as to say that his actions as mayor show that he's willing to bend over backwards to please the liberals.... which is a dangerous trait for a president in this day and age.

Of what value is fighting the terrorists in Iraq if they can just slide in here through insecure borders, as illegal immigrants, and attack unarmed citizens?

714 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:44:21am

re: #711 redstateredneck

but, Shirley IS a ufo.


*grin*

I'm pretty sure those two, however, come from the same planet.

I'm also pretty sure that planet is not earth.

715 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:44:27am
you WOULD vote for Ron Paul, if he were the republican candidate?


No, but he's not got a chance in hell of being the Republican candidate. Rudy does.
What about Romney; would you vote for Romney? Some people wouldn't because he's LDS.

716 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:45:59am

I'd LOVE to vote for Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo.

I'd like voting for Huckabee and Thompson.

I wouldn't mind voting for most of the other Republicans.

I don't like the idea of voting for Rudy.

I refuse to vote for Ron Paul.

I would actively vote for Hillary before Ron Paul.

Hillary is predictable in that she'll do whatever keeps her rich and safe. Ron Paul might make good on his promises to abandon Israel and the WoT.

717 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:47:38am

re: #715 redstateredneck

eh, I would vote for Romney.... but he's not president material yet, in my eyes. a term or two as VP could change that.

Heck, I'd love to compromise!

Duncan Hunter for Pres, Rudy for VP.

after 8 years, we can see how Rudy's actions in the Adminitration differ from his actions as Mayor and reevaluate.

Hopefully, by then, we'll have a conservative congress, so even if Rudy is still liberal on those issues, it won't matter.

718 Widow'smight  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:52:16am

Some famous guy once said "In this life you will have many trials, but fear not, for I have overcome this world".

I'll have faith in that fellow, and know he's in control. We who acknowledge him should have less to fear from a President less to our liking than the moonbats fear President Bush.

719 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:53:42am

re: #717 LanceKates

There are what, four Republican senators retiring? Not a good thing.

720 m  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:54:27am

re: #712 LanceKates

I haven't jumped on the Rudy bandwagon yet... BUT- I definitely won't stay home even if Rudy gets the nomination.

Lesser of two evils thing- Hillcare - Rudy... Hillcare - Rudy... yeah, I'm going with Rudy. Just think of what'll happen when Hill has a say in the SCJ -- now THAT'S scary.

A republican not voting at all, or going 3rd party (Perot) is a vote for Hilldabeast.

and about Rudy, I'm afraid of some of the things that he would do for the sake of 'compromise' with the Dems for war funding.

If it comes down to it- better compromise than total capitulation.

Hillary - Just say NO!

721 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:55:28am

{m}
NO!

722 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:56:29am

re: #719 redstateredneck

even more reason to push for a conservative president, in case those fall to democrats.

723 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:59:00am

re: #720 m

if it were a true compromise, then yes, it is better.... but the left doesn't compromise. They demand that you vote their way and they promise to vote your way on something else, then don't follow through.

A strong conservative will slap them down.

besides, what is there to compromise on when the republican is with the liberals on every issue but 1? heh.

I'm just saying, like I have been for months, that this isn't Rudy vs. Hillary yet.... so let's not abandon hope on the conservatives just because the msm only talks about Rudy.

724 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:59:16am

re: #718 Widow'smight

Some famous guy once said "In this life you will have many trials, but fear not, for I have overcome this world".


But there will be great wailing and gnashing of teeth if Hillary is elected!

725 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 11:59:36am

as for the SC justices.... Rudy's past appointments were all very liberal. I don't care what he says, just what he does.

726 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:00:37pm

re: #724 redstateredneck

I guarentee that there will be a rise in concealed carry permits if she gets elected... people trying to get theirs before she has a chance to screw things up. heh.

(Heck, I'd be tempted to renew mine early to get the 10 year instead of my current 5 year permit)

727 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:02:32pm

re: #722 LanceKates

I'd love to vote for a conservative president, if one is nominated.

728 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:08:11pm

re: #727 redstateredneck

well, we conservatives do the nominating. Stop praising Rudy, push a conservative candidate and tell those who are already giving up to stuff it!

(and tell your friends to do the same!)

lol....

on a serious level... we are the ones with the power. we give up that power 'for the sake of the party' on a regular basis when we vote against our principles.

Demand it back. Tell the GOP that you won't donate until you see a CONSERVATIVE put up for the running. heck, the GOP is already hearing it. Remember when the story broke that GOP donations are way down because conservatives are tired of being pooped on?

The GOP response was to fire the call center employees who reported it. heh.

They can only ignore for so long.... but as long as we give them money and vote for the liberals they keep put up, we're enabling them, just like one enables an alcoholic, by rewarding negative behavior.

729 Widow'smight  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:11:37pm

re: #724 redstateredneck

We survived Billy-Bob for 8 years, we'll survive Hildebeast.

Hillary will do as Billy-bob did, everything will be Poll driven, and geared to pleasing the most voters. If she helps raise taxes, the House will be back in republican hands again. 60 democratic reps are from districts the President took in 2004. Every one of these stupid things Pelosi pulls right now will come back to haunt those 60 reps next November.

It's over a year away! I'm going to enjoy the life I've been given until then and after.

OT but the bride is home with me, and sick. Crabbiness is winning the early straw poll over Gettinlaid by a landslide right now.

730 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:14:06pm

re: #729 Widow'smight

perhaps if you brought her some soup and chocolate and then after she ate said "Ok honey, it is time to take your temperature" then started to disrobe?

(Why am I single again? Oh yeah... ideas like that. lol)

731 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:15:12pm
OT but the bride is home with me, and sick. Crabbiness is winning the early straw poll over Gettinlaid by a landslide right now.


You're doomed!

732 Widow'smight  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:19:47pm

re: #730 LanceKates

I might have to do some serious fossing, serenading and diamond buying to have any chance today I believe. I have to be near death before I'll say no to thay activity. No poll ever needed.

733 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:20:41pm

re: #731 redstateredneck

Crabbiness is winning the early straw poll over Gettinlaid by a landslide right now.


Is that a straw poll or a caucus?
;-)

734 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:22:07pm

re: #732 Widow'smight

One of the major differences between the genders.

To paraphrase Billy Crystal: "Women need a reason for sex. Men need a place."

735 Widow'smight  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:22:27pm

re: #731 redstateredneck


Yeah, I know. Every other time she works at home (I'll assume only when I'm here), the outcome of the straw poll is decidedly different.

736 Widow'smight  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:26:33pm

re: #733 redstateredneck

From what she tells me, It's a Long/drawn-out Caucus. But you know how much lying goes on in these matters.

737 Widow'smight  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:29:48pm

re: #734 LanceKates

That pretty much sums it up in that matter. I ain't too difficult to figure out.

738 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:39:15pm

2:30 in the afternoon and the coworker referenced in my #647 still is blatantly ignoring me. heh.

I admit it... I think it is a hoot.

739 coz  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:43:21pm

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

740 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:45:08pm

re: #739 coz
They don't make 'em like that any more.

741 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:45:29pm

re: #739 coz

He'd be decried as a racist today and would have never been elected.

742 1redthread  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:54:51pm

re: #738 LanceKates

He's angry with himself, but blames you.

I know the type.

743 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:59:22pm

More flooding in New Orleans

clearly done by President Bush to take our mind off of how evil he is.

*grin*

How's your "Chocolate City" doing, Nagin?

744 m  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 12:59:38pm

re: #723 LanceKates

I'm just saying, like I have been for months, that this isn't Rudy vs. Hillary yet.... so let's not abandon hope on the conservatives just because the msm only talks about Rudy.

Agreed :)

745 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:00:55pm

re: #742 1redthread

he's a she, but my thoughts are similar... I was thinking "well, I'll show him! I'll just not talk to him, that'll make him sorry for being so MEAN to me!"

*smirk*

oddly enough, ignoring me has the opposite reaction than intended. It rarely makes me 'feel sorry' . . . normally makes me ignore you as well.

I'm a patient man... and one of my hot buttons is people trying to manipulate me. (I view ignoring someone to 'make them sorry' a form of manipulation)

746 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:01:28pm

re: #744 m

Good. now, are you going to take Redstate's birthday paddles or not?

*grabs paddle*

747 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:02:02pm

re: #743 LanceKates

It's always flooded in New Orleans after a heavy rain. This ain't got nothin' to do with post Katrina New Orleans.

748 1redthread  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:02:34pm

re: #745 LanceKates

Oh, of course it's a she!

Sometimes I cringe at the behaviour of my sex.

749 coz  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:04:47pm

Oh my gosh!

Happy Birthday MOM!

{mom}

750 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:04:52pm

I'm so happy I don't work with women.
Plus I get the ladies room all to myself!

751 coz  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:05:45pm

re: #748 1redthread

Sometimes I cringe at the behaviour of my sex.

How does he feel about it?

752 1redthread  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:06:27pm

re: #751 coz

Brat. :P

753 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:07:18pm

re: #747 redstateredneck

yup... but Katrina is mentioned a few times nonetheless.

they live below sea level in a city that sinks. Where did they expect it to go?

not to sound cold towards New Orleans.... but I kind of hold it akin to people who build on the banks of the Mississippi and are suprised that it floods in the spring.

754 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:07:35pm

re: #749 coz

You just pulled your butt outta the fire!

755 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:08:49pm

re: #748 1redthread
Yup, but don't worry, I don't hold their behavior against anyone but them.

Though I do notice that it is a trend WAY more common in women than in men.

re: #750 redstateredneck

I work with an insane women to men ratio. Unfortunately most are married and those who aren't.... eh... no thanks.

756 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:12:11pm

re: #753 LanceKates

I've been in New Orleans during heavy rain and they've had to close public restrooms in the mall because the pumps can't handle all the rain water and the sewers back up if you flush.
This happened one time when I had about thirty Girl Scouts who all had to pee.
It was not fun.

757 m  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:12:57pm

re: #746 LanceKates

LOL~ I have my own dear :)

758 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:13:28pm

re: #756 redstateredneck

isn't that when y'all work on your 'outhouse digging' badge?

(which means they all pee by a bush and then you quick design and make a badge that shows an outhouse! heh)

759 coz  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:13:47pm

re: #754 redstateredneck

/big huge cheesy grin

and um ...

flowers?

760 coz  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:14:17pm

re: #752 1redthread

re: #751 coz

Brat. :P

/hee hee hee

761 Widow'smight  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:14:31pm

re: #750 redstateredneck

I wanted to "work" with a woman today, but she says she's sick because we went to the Fright Night thing Saturday night, and it got into the 50's. Now, I'm just trying not to work on her nerves.

Plus, Mini-mom just got off the bus and my Dog has pickers all over him from our walk.

762 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:16:31pm

re: #758 LanceKates

re: #756 redstateredneck

isn't that when y'all work on your 'outhouse digging' badge?

(which means they all pee by a bush and then you quick design and make a badge that shows an outhouse! heh)

First time they camped out, I had one who didn't know how to pee outside! I had to teach her.

763 1redthread  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:17:33pm

re: #761 Widow'smight

The day is still young!

764 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:17:57pm

re: #762 redstateredneck

I imagine it is harder for a girl than a guy.

we guys make a game out of it.

we even have contests.... aim, distance, longevity of stream.... we are simple creatures and we like it that way.

765 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:18:15pm

re: #759 coz

Awwww, you shouldn't have!
:D

766 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:19:12pm

re: #761 Widow'smight

Mini-mom just got off the bus


Your window of opportunity has just slammed shut!

767 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:19:59pm

re: #764 LanceKates

All the guys I know need to work on that aim thing.

768 Widow'smight  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:24:00pm

re: #766 redstateredneck

Plus, the DSL line keeps going up and down, and she just went for the Ass-burn bottle. I'm hoping for Divine intervention at Bible study tonight.

It's not at the "Hell knows no wrath like a woman's fury", YET. I might have to sneak outside and cut grass or sumpin.

769 Widow'smight  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:25:59pm

re: #763 1redthread


Hiya 1redthread! Hoping my bride takes a nap, that usually helps. Another great thing about my dog, He's always happy!

770 1redthread  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:27:40pm

re: #769 Widow'smight

*waves*

And with that, I'm done with work!

771 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:28:44pm

re: #767 redstateredneck

eh, that's because since the 60's men have been trained to not be 'gross and vulgar' by peeing in public.

But, like a rifle, if you don't practice, your aim is horrid.

772 Widow'smight  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:32:27pm

See youns tomorrow

773 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:33:19pm

They're gonna be nice and let me leave early since it's my birthday.
I am so outta here!
Bye, {all y'all}.

774 m  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:36:24pm

Bye {Birthday girl}!

775 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:37:57pm

m!

what'snoo?

776 m  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:48:09pm

Nada~ whattup wichoo?

:)

re: #775 LanceKates

777 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:56:52pm

re: #776 m

Not too much.

heh. my niece had another baby and the saturday after thanksgiving is the 'meet all the family" party.

I told my SiL.. "Umm, the sooners play on saturday."

she said that she didn't care, the game could still be on.

I looked it up. We play oklahoma state that weekend (big rivalry)

half the family that would be there is for the sooners, the other half is for osu.

heh.

778 m  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:59:32pm

re: #777 LanceKates

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

ha!

:-)

779 coz  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 1:59:42pm

m, m, m!

{m}

780 LanceKates  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:02:41pm

re: #778 m

ooo... you sayin' that with your leather chaps and cowgirl hat?

lol.

781 m  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:03:38pm

{COZ}!

/he remembers the little people!

:-D

782 m  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:04:19pm

re: #780 LanceKates

hahahahahaha! Either way... sounds like fun!

:-D

783 m  Tue, Oct 23, 2007 2:09:57pm

I'm outta heah!
Y'all have a great rest of your day!


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