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New Republic's False Stories Now on Drudge Report

Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 10:33:19 am PDT

The New Republic stonewalled for months about the ugly, dishonest anti-military fables by Scott Beauchamp. To this date they still have not recanted. The editors apparently believe that if they just ignore the scandal, it will eventually go away.

Well, it’s going to be a little difficult for them to ignore this: DRUDGE REPORT FLASH 2007:

The DRUDGE REPORT has optained internal documents from the investigation of THE NEW REPUBLIC’S “Baghdad Diarist”, Scott Thomas Beauchamp, an Army private turned war correspondent who reported tales of military malfeasance from the Iraq War front.

The documents appear to expose that once the veracity of Beauchamp’s diaries were called into question, and an Army investigation ensued, THE NEW REPUBLIC has failed to publicly account for publishing slanderous falsehoods about the U.S. military in a time of war.

Document 1: Beauchamp Refuses to Stand by Story (Beauchamp Transcript Part 1)

THE NEW REPUBLIC has been standing behind the stories from their Baghdad Diarist, Scott Thomas Beauchamp, since questions were first raised about their accuracy over the summer. On August 10, the editors at TNR accused the Army of “stonewalling” their investigation into the stories by preventing them from speaking with Beauchamp. The DRUDGE REPORT has since obtained the transcript of a September 7 call between TNR editor Frank Foer, TNR executive editor Peter Scoblic, and Private Beauchamp. During the call, Beauchamp declines to stand by his stories, telling his editors that “I just want it to end. I’m not going to talk to anyone about anything really.” The editors respond that “we just can’t, in good conscience, continue to defend the piece” without an explanation, but Beauchamp responds only that he “doesn’t care what the public thinks.” The editors then ask Beauchamp to cancel scheduled interviews with the WASHINGTON POST and NEWSWEEK.

Document 2: Beauchamp Admits to “Gross Exaggerations and Inaccurate Allegations” (Beauchamp Transcript Part 2)

The DRUDGE REPORT has also obtained a signed “Memorandum for Record” in which Beauchamp recants his stories and concedes the facts of the Army’s investigation — that his stories contained “gross exaggerations and inaccurate allegations of misconduct” by his fellow soldiers.

Document 3: Army Investigation: Tales “Completely Fabricated,” Beauchamp Wanted to be Hemingway

The third document obtained by the DRUDGE REPORT is the Army’s official report on the investigation into the allegations made by Private Beauchamp. The Army concluded that Beauchamp had “completely fabricated” the story of mocking a disfigured woman, that his description of a “Saddam-era dumping ground” was false, and that claims that he and his men had deliberately targeted dogs with their armored vehicles was “completely unfounded.” Further the report stated “that Private Beauchamp desired to use his experiences to enhance his writing and provide legitimacy to his work possibly becoming the next Hemingway.”

The report concludes that “Private Beauchamp takes small bits of truth and twists and exaggerates them into fictional accounts that he puts forth as the whole truth for public consumption.”

UPDATE at 10/24/07 1:29:05 pm:

The PDF documents linked above have been pulled from Drudge Report, and K-Lo at The Corner has this:

We’re hearing from The New Republic that the Drudge story isn’t the damning evidence it suggests to be ... stay tuned.

UPDATE: An editor there e-mails: “Go to the story and click on the link that he claims is to Beauchamp’s confession.  It’s not there. The only Beauchamp document is one were he acknowledged receiving some other memo. Nothing even close to a confession there.” At the moment I can’t access any of the documents that are flagged in that “Developing” story....

UPDATE at 10/24/07 2:20:42 pm:

Word from Ace:

From what I know, and I do know all this, the documents are quite real and come from trustworthy sources. I know the direct source to be trustworthy and I know (or at least “know” to a very high likelihood) his source in turn to be trustworthy.

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1 WriterMom  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:34:51am

Just slightly hard to ignore.

LOL. This is pretty great.

2 Le_Patriot  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:34:57am

Yessss!

3 zombie  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:35:03am

New Republic is toast.

4 schlagerman  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:35:48am

If it's on Drudge, it must be a lie.

/moonbat

5 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:36:15am

If he were in my army, he'd be peeling spuds and scrubbing the latrine with a toothbrush until his enlistment were up.

6 zombie  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:36:33am
The editors respond that “we just can’t, in good conscience, continue to defend the piece” without an explanation, but Beauchamp responds only that he “doesn’t care what the public thinks.” The editors then ask Beauchamp to cancel scheduled interviews with the WASHINGTON POST and NEWSWEEK.

Damage control mode -- like putting a cork in midair where the collapsed dam used to be.

7 Dead Sea Squirrel  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:36:57am

Sinking beneath the waves...
glub, glub, glub.

8 Le_Patriot  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:37:04am

Drudge will now be censured by Harry Reid and Co. for publishing a hate article.

9 TheUnrepentantGeek  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:37:20am

And THAT's going to leave a mark!

10 gibsonz  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:37:52am

The report concludes that “Private Beauchamp takes small bits of truth and twists and exaggerates them into fictional accounts that he puts forth as the whole truth for public consumption.”
------
That`s putting it mildly.

11 Golem Akbar  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:37:52am

MSM: [fingers in ears] I can't hear you la la la I can't hear you.

12 maddogg  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:37:53am
The report concludes that “Private Beauchamp takes small bits of truth and twists and exaggerates them into fictional accounts that he puts forth as the whole truth for public consumption.”

Isn't that the definition of lying scumbag?

13 Spider Mensch  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:38:25am

awww poor scotty wanted to be the next Hemingway, now he's just a hemorrhoid. then again I think he was one from the start.

14 BrianA  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:38:30am

re: #3 zombie

New Republic is toast.

California isn't the only thing burning!

15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:38:36am

NR has released a statement in rebuttal to the DRUDGE peice:

LALALALALALA, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU, LALALALALA

16 justacanuck  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:38:36am

Okay now, hello CanWest Global -- isn't it now about time overdue to turf Franklin Foer?

Just get it done already.

17 schlagerman  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:38:44am

This particular story may be a lie, but it feels like it's true, and that counts for something. In fact, that feeling may be even more important than the truth.

/

18 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:38:51am

So glad Media Matters was out in front of this one.

19 JamesTKirk  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:38:53am

re: #5 MandyManners

If he were in my army, he'd be peeling spuds and scrubbing the latrine with a toothbrush until his enlistment were up.

Luxury. He should be peeling spuds with his toothbrush and scrubbing the latrine with his tongue.

20 Milk Toast Intolerant  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:39:00am

Shame on you, Beauchomp, and New Republic. You people must take us for morons.

21 cheesehead  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:39:12am

Expect no apologies from New Republic. Ends justifying the means and all that.

22 OpenTheDoor  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:39:13am

"phony solider." The Godfather

23 bucephalas  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:39:16am

But, but, but...you have to consider the truthiness of what he wrote! The facts might not check out but his message is what matters!

24 Golem Akbar  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:40:01am

re: #10 gibsonz

The report concludes that “Private Beauchamp takes small bits of truth and twists and exaggerates them into fictional accounts that he puts forth as the whole truth for public consumption.”
------
That`s putting it mildly.

Soon to become a film produced by Sean Penn, Ben Afleck, and Steven Spielberg. It'll be billed as based on a true story. And they'll be right, too, since the story was truly published by the New Republic.

25 galloping granny  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:40:05am

Good on Drudge. This is one story that should not be allowed to stand. Beauchamp and the New Republic should be hammered relentlessly with the falsehoods they have perpetrated. Right into bankruptcy court.

26 coquimbojoe  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:41:14am

Bwaaahaaaahaaaaahhaaaaahaaaaahaaaahaaaa.......brea the....haaahaaahaaahaaahaaahaahaahaaaaahaaaaa

27 albusteve  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:41:17am

pop goes the weasal...gotta love it

28 nolocon  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:41:25am

Be very careful not presume that New Republic feels the slightest bit embarrassed, ashamed, chastised or remorseful.

29 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:41:53am

So was he pretending to be a young Hemingway or a young John F'n Kerrry?

/just wonderin...

30 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:41:57am

The fifth column media are collapsing right along with the terrorist networks in Iraq. Coincidence?

31 maddogg  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:42:02am

WTF. You just need to understand leftard philosophy. Truth is whatever forwards the cause.

If morals are relative, so is the truth. What is truth? Whatever the left needs it to be. When did communists ever base a campaign on truth? Truth is a word with no meaning, just like good and evil.

32 Piglet-U93  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:42:02am

Mohammad, the false prophet, would be proud that Beauchamp is following (partially) in his footsteps.

33 BrianA  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:42:06am

I hear a Dan Rather excuse coming: Fake but Accurate.

34 Peacekeeper  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:42:19am

Did I ever tell you about the time I was in Bosnia and Charlie attacked our base camp? It's gritty and compelling I can tell you...

35 dentate  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:42:28am

re: #23 bucephalas

Odd nic. Are you sure you want Alexander riding on your back?

36 Iron Fist  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:42:41am

re: #17 schlagerman,

It should be true, even if it isn't.

[/New Republic]

37 Edouard  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:42:57am

re: #8 Le_Patriot

Drudge will now be censured by Harry Reid and Co. for publishing a hate article.

Yep. One "Dear New Republic: We deplore your slander of the troops" letter signed by 41 Democrat senators coming right up........... Hello? Harry Reid?

Anyone home?

38 Peacekeeper  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:43:29am

It's the narrative that counts, not the facts.

39 albusteve  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:43:40am

re: #24 Golem Akbar

re: #10 gibsonz


The report concludes that “Private Beauchamp takes small bits of truth and twists and exaggerates them into fictional accounts that he puts forth as the whole truth for public consumption.”
------
That`s putting it mildly.

Soon to become a film produced by Sean Penn, Ben Afleck, and Steven Spielberg. It'll be billed as based on a true story. And they'll be right, too, since the story was truly published by the New Republic.

what about Don Knotts?...gotta have him in there somewhere

40 Hard Right  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:43:58am

Fake but accurate!

I mean, you just know our troops are evil mad dog murderers foaming at the mouth 24-7.

Moonbat mode off/

41 OpenTheDoor  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:44:27am

re: #22 OpenTheDoor
Heh, PIMF soldier

42 rappmandu  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:44:40am

TNR: I got it...(We're) Toasters!

43 albusteve  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:44:57am

re: #30 Shiplord Kirel

The fifth column media are collapsing right along with the terrorist networks in Iraq. Coincidence?

we'll fight em at every auction block in every town....

44 Golem Akbar  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:45:09am

re: #34 Peacekeeper

Did I ever tell you about the time I was in Bosnia and Charlie attacked our base camp? It's gritty and compelling I can tell you...

I used to go Kodiak hunting in Alaska.

45 coquimbojoe  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:45:25am

re: #29 experiencedtraveller

So was he pretending to be a young Hemingway or a young John F'n Kerrry?

Problem is, Hemingway had talent. Beauchump has none. Nor dignity, nor grace, nor character, nor ....nor...nor...

You get the picture.

46 Crusader Rabbit  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:45:30am

Scott Beauchamp's stories about Iraq ring about as true as Uncle Jimbo's account of Viet Nam.

Up to his mouth in ice is where he belongs.

47 Bucephalas  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:46:04am

re: #35 dentate

He was the last westener to tame the middle east.....

48 mama winger  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:46:11am

Phony soldiers complicate the mission of real soldiers, and make it that much harder for them to win. Make no mistake - the liars are every bit the enemy as Al Q.

If anything this guy and by extension the New Republic did harms one hair on the head of our real soldiers, their blood is upon them.

49 Toki-chan  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:46:12am

Ignoring this never does anything anything.
Like a festering wound, the truth will come out like disgusting puss.
Not the nicest metaphor but it's true.

50 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:46:21am

re: #19 JamesTKirk

re: #5 MandyManners


If he were in my army, he'd be peeling spuds and scrubbing the latrine with a toothbrush until his enlistment were up.

Luxury. He should be peeling spuds with his toothbrush and scrubbing the latrine with his tongue.

The other soldiers would catch something from his mouth.

51 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:46:27am

It was a plausibly accurate account of a composite character.

We all know this stuff goes on anyway!

/MSM

52 Sponge  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:46:36am

The DRUDGE REPORT has also obtained a signed “Memorandum for Record” in which Beauchamp recants his stories and concedes the facts of the Army’s investigation — that his stories contained “gross exaggerations and inaccurate allegations of misconduct” by his fellow soldiers.


That just means they waterboarded him and tortured him until he agreed to admit he lied, even though he DIDN'T! ! ! ! U S MILITARY OUT OF THE U S MILITARY NOW! ! !


/sorry....posessions occur at will......

53 Iron Fist  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:47:06am

re: #44 Golem Akbar,

Now that's a lie. Kodiak bears hunt you. If you shoot them, it is self-defense.

:-þ

54 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:47:14am

Phony soldier- Faux soldier- any way you say it it's a big fat whooping liar posing as a soldier.

55 coquimbojoe  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:47:48am

re: #52 Sponge

U S MILITARY OUT OF THE U S MILITARY NOW! ! !

Trying to get my brain around that one.....

56 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:47:53am

re: #44 Golem Akbar

re: #34 Peacekeeper


Did I ever tell you about the time I was in Bosnia and Charlie attacked our base camp? It's gritty and compelling I can tell you...

I used to go Kodiak hunting in Alaska.

No camera stores in your town?

57 gibsonz  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:47:58am

re: #24 Golem Akbar

Soon to become a film produced by Sean Penn, Ben Afleck, and Steven Spielberg. It'll be billed as based on a true story. And they'll be right, too, since the story was truly published by the New Republic.
------
Private Beauchamp...Hollywood`s "Sargent York"...watch as the young private single handedly try`s to destroy HIS entire army with only a pen and a publisher without moral`s!

58 mattm  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:48:08am

OT

Today is national Campus Sustainability Day. At my school the people at the booths were some of the most uninformed global warming alarmists I have ever met. They gave their speech and most people just aggreed, but the poeple who asjed questions usually got "we're not really sure about that but gloabal warming is a problem." I even guilt tripped one into not watching Game 1 of the WS beacue it not "sustainable."

59 nolocon  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:48:12am

New Republic adopts the Dan Rather defense:
"No one can prove the underlying story false, so therefore I am entitled to say that it is true"

60 EC Marm  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:48:19am

Yeah TNR really had me believing that story.

61 doppelganglander  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:48:30am
Further the report stated “that Private Beauchamp desired to use his experiences to enhance his writing and provide legitimacy to his work possibly becoming the next Hemingway.”

Yeah, but Hemingway wrote fiction. Oh, and he wrote well. Two strikes, Scotty.

62 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:48:46am

"Viva Cuba libre."

63 Golem Akbar  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:49:07am

re: #53 Iron Fist

re: #44 Golem Akbar,

Now that's a lie. Kodiak bears hunt you. If you shoot them, it is self-defense.

:-þ

That was before I was married to Angelina Jolie. Yeah, that's the ticket.

64 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:49:13am

Any other news source reporting this?

Or do they consider this OLD NEWS?

65 mama winger  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:49:39am

REAL SOLDIER

Rest in peace, Staff Sgt. Fontenot.

We will not forget.

66 Izzy Dunne  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:50:30am

THIS CANNOT BE TRUE!
I just went to the source: [Link: www.tnr.com...] and did a search. Results:


Your search - beauchamp - did not match any documents.


They don't know anything about it.
So there.

/they wouldn't lie, would they?

67 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:50:30am

All you fascist, neoconchickensh*thawks sit there criticizing a real American hero!

/Inevitable HuffPost...

68 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:50:54am

Heh.

Drudge is on a roll today. He's got CNN trying and push their global warming hysterics series using the wildfires as a lead-in. . Just find a tasteful way of doing that segue.

Heh.

Meanwhile, Drudge shouldn't get all the credit for stomping on TNR - that belongs to Owens, Goldfarb, and the milbloggers who saw this stink from a mile away and kept the pressure on TNR. Drudge gets in the coup de gras.

69 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:51:53am

I can now report that the first operational test of the Johnson-Rove Mk. 13 mind-control satellite has been an unqualified success, inducing Beauchamp and his handlers to discredit themselves in writing in spite of their ideological purity. Decades of indoctrination and positive reinforcement were swept aside at the touch of a button in our Denver headquarters.

We are still years from making the Mk. 13 work on adult minds, but since none of our enemies are so equipped, we can afford the wait.

70 Geepers  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:53:29am

Shiplord Kirel (#30),

The fifth column media are collapsing right along with the terrorist networks in Iraq. Coincidence?

Not at all.

Like TNR publishing STB stories lies, they're both getting desperate.

71 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:53:58am

re: #68 lawhawk
Is CNN President Jon Klein the same guy who uttered the pajamas crack during Rathergate?

72 christheprofessor  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:53:59am

I rarely go to Drudge, but I've seen comments (not here) that he seems to be in the Clinton camp lately. Any truth in that?

/if so, how does reporting the TNR story help Shrillary?

73 mondoreb  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:54:11am

re: #54 DistantThunder

Phony soldier- Faux soldier- any way you say it it's a big fat whooping liar posing as a soldier.

Big Fat Liar?

Somebody get Al Franken on the phone!

74 dentate  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:54:35am

re: #47 Bucephalas

re: #35 dentate

He was the last westener to tame the middle east.....

Who? the horse? ;-)
But yes, you have a point, and had it not been for the Seleucids and Ptolemaids, there would never have been a Septuagint and the ideas of Judaism would probably never have become widely known or given rise to Christianity, so in some ways he also allowed the Middle East to "tame" the West

75 pat  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:54:39am

Phony Soldier talk.

76 rappmandu  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:54:51am

Beauchamp's literary ambitions were foiled by his inability to distinguish fiction and nonfiction genres, and by his love affair with adjectives.

77 americanpundit  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:55:14am

"You told Ellie that you were trying to get the statements".

It's reiterated that he'd been telling his wife (TNR researcher) he'd get the statements. He was lying to his wife, too?

78 Rogue198  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:55:32am

*attempting to feel sympathy*

*sympathy failed*

Abort? Retry? Cancel?

So who's head is first on the chopping block? (And that's figurative cherry-pickin moonbats)

79 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:55:53am

re: #20 Milk Toast Intolerant

Shame on you, Beauchomp, and New Republic.

Some people have no shame.

80 storagemanager  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:55:56am
After a colleague claimed the Muslim holy book condones the killing of innocent people, several Oklahoma lawmakers plan to return copies of the Quran to a state panel on diversity.

The Governor's Ethnic American Advisory Council gave the books to Oklahoma's 149 senators and representatives.

"Most Oklahomans do not endorse the idea of killing innocent women and children in the name of ideology," Representative Rex Duncan said.

The Republican expressed his feelings Monday in a letter to colleagues. At least 17 legislators have told the panel they will return the gift

Thank you. [Link: www.jpost.com...]

81 Big Steve  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:57:34am

re: #61 doppelganglander

Further the report stated “that Private Beauchamp desired to use his experiences to enhance his writing and provide legitimacy to his work possibly becoming the next Hemingway.”

Yeah, but Hemingway wrote fiction. Oh, and he wrote well. Two strikes, Scotty.

So did the earth move for you beauchamp!

82 coquimbojoe  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:57:53am

re: #63 Golem Akbar

:-%uFFFD

That was before I was married to Angelina Jolie, who I've seen naked. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Fixed it for you. Amazingly enough, I also married Angela....

83 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:58:08am

re: #71 JammieWearingFool

re: #68 lawhawk
Is CNN President Jon Klein the same guy who uttered the pajamas crack during Rathergate?

Yes. Yes he was.

84 Anna  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:58:11am

Well it seems TNR has fragged itself with its stonewalling.

Try to peddle 'honest' reporting now TNR.

And yes I am back and playing catch up from over a week away. Yay. *thud*

85 Thanos  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:58:18am

re: #44 Golem Akbar

re: #34 Peacekeeper


Did I ever tell you about the time I was in Bosnia and Charlie attacked our base camp? It's gritty and compelling I can tell you...

I used to go Kodiak hunting in Alaska.


I once had a Kodiak hunting me in Alaska.

86 looking closely  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:58:33am

Nice to see that at least someone else is not letting this drop.

TNR can stonewall on this forever, but they aren't going to get closure until they provide it themselves by doing the right thing.

87 Chuck Pelto  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:58:42am

TO: Charles Johnson, et al.
RE: The Truth....

....will out. -- some Wag, around 2000 years ago.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[There is nothing that shall be done in a closet that will not be shouted from the rooftops. -- IBID]

88 albusteve  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:58:42am

re: #82 coquimbojoe

re: #63 Golem Akbar

:-©

That was before I was married to Angelina Jolie, who I've seen naked. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Fixed it for you. Amazingly enough, I also married Angela....

I am Angelina

89 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:58:48am

re: #76 rappmandu

Beauchamp's literary ambitions were foiled by his inability to distinguish fiction and nonfiction genres, and by his love affair with adjectives.

No doubt, his lushly purplish prose contributed mightily to his blazingly meteoric fall from the olympian heights of, of, -where was I? oh yeah,- of moonbat hyperbole.

90 americanpundit  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:59:09am

At the end of Doc. 1, Scoblic says:

"But she just, she sent me a note to tell you that it's the most important thing to her that you say that you didn't recant".

Hmm.

91 coquimbojoe  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 10:59:56am

re: #88 albusteve

And, I have seen you naked.

92 Thanos  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:00:06am

He's not a phony soldier, but he is a lying dirtbag who needs KP duty rest of enlistment.

93 albusteve  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:00:22am

re: #89 Shiplord Kirel

re: #76 rappmandu


Beauchamp's literary ambitions were foiled by his inability to distinguish fiction and nonfiction genres, and by his love affair with adjectives.

No doubt, his lushly purplish prose contributed mightily to his blazingly meteoric fall from the olympian heights of, of, -where was I? oh yeah,- of moonbat hyperbole.

hahaha

94 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:00:33am

OT

Liberals say this is the PERFECT type of pregnancy to abort: fetus has no legs.

MSU Student Skateboards to Adventure

95 galloping granny  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:00:52am

re: #77 americanpundit

"You told Ellie that you were trying to get the statements".

It's reiterated that he'd been telling his wife (TNR researcher) he'd get the statements. He was lying to his wife, too?

Well, certainly he would be in good company there, just following the example set by our former Commander in Chief. Hardly anything surprising. . .

96 justacanuck  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:00:55am

re: #66 Izzy Dunne

THIS CANNOT BE TRUE!
I just went to the source: [Link: www.tnr.com...] and did a search. Results:



Your search - beauchamp - did not match any documents.


They don't know anything about it.
So there.

/they wouldn't lie, would they?

LOL ! Foer has stuffed the Beauchamp thing down the memory hole.

I checked too - blipped into their blogs area and searched for 'Beauchamp' "
"Sorry, we were unable to find any results using your search terms. Please change your search terms and try again."

I wonder if archive.org has captured any pages. Surely a number of milbloggers did some screencaps of TNR's Plank.

97 BingoBunny  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:00:57am

If they can ignore since sept 7 that he wouldn't stand behind his writting they can ignore this. But can the rest of the MSM.. will they just go along quoteing this as more right wing ravings about troops against the war?
Grow some balls reporters.. we know you hate Bush .. War for any reason(not approved by Stalin).. but can you really call yourselves journalists and ignore fakery?

98 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:01:14am

re: #82 coquimbojoe

re: #63 Golem Akbar

:-©

That was before I was married to Angelina Jolie, who I've seen naked. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Fixed it for you. Amazingly enough, I also married Angela....

And both your names are tattooed at an undisclosed location on her body.

99 Thanos  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:01:29am

How many more trainwrecks of truth like this can the MSM stand before the public disowns them in entirety?

100 albusteve  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:01:53am

re: #91 coquimbojoe

re: #88 albusteve

And, I have seen you naked.

well what did you see?...am I Tammy Bruce or not?

101 storagemanager  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:02:47am
This was Secretary Rice’s comment to the charges that the Annapolis peace conference is a ploy:

“There are probably easier foreign policy tasks to take on than the Israeli-Palestinian conflict,” she said. “The timing comes down to what it is we need to do to give moderate forces in the region a boost and to deal a blow to forces of extremism”.

Yes, Secretary Rice, you will have blood on your hands if you persist in pushing for this Middle East Peace conference in Annapolis, American and Israeli blood.

[Link: blog.americancongressfortruth.com...]

102 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:02:48am

re: #88 albusteve

re: #82 coquimbojoe


re: #63 Golem Akbar

:-©

That was before I was married to Angelina Jolie, who I've seen naked. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Fixed it for you. Amazingly enough, I also married Angela....


I am Angelina

Can I get some parenting advice from you and Brad?

103 mama winger  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:03:06am

re: #99 Thanos

How many more trainwrecks of truth like this can the MSM stand before the public disowns them in entirety?

Thousands.

104 defogger  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:03:08am

re: #33 BrianA

I hear a Dan Rather excuse coming: Fake but Accurate.

No fair! You beat me to it.

105 albusteve  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:03:16am

re: #96 justacanuck

its called guilt by association...dont look too hard

106 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:03:18am

re: #99 Thanos

How many more trainwrecks of truth like this can the MSM stand before the public disowns them in entirety?

Sadly, liberals and their sycophant media have a very high tolerance for lies and liars.

107 Thanos  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:03:42am

re: #103 mama winger

re: #99 Thanos


How many more trainwrecks of truth like this can the MSM stand before the public disowns them in entirety?

Thousands.

Alas, you are probably right.

108 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:03:56am

re: #83 lawhawk

re: #71 JammieWearingFool


re: #68 lawhawk
Is CNN President Jon Klein the same guy who uttered the pajamas crack during Rathergate?

Yes. Yes he was.

Hmmm.

He does get props for helping spawn my nic,

109 dentate  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:05:39am

re: #101 storagemanager

This was Secretary Rice’s comment to the charges that the Annapolis peace conference is a ploy:

“There are probably easier foreign policy tasks to take on than the Israeli-Palestinian conflict,” she said. “The timing comes down to what it is we need to do to give moderate forces in the region a boost and to deal a blow to forces of extremism”.
Yes, Secretary Rice, you will have blood on your hands if you persist in pushing for this Middle East Peace conference in Annapolis, American and Israeli blood.

[Link: blog.americancongressfortruth.com...]

Read her comment again.“The timing comes down to what it is we need to do to give moderate forces in the region a boost and to deal a blow to forces of extremism”. Does that sentence make any sense at all, and even if you excuse the grammar, is there any connection between timing and boosting? Hello?

110 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:05:44am

re: #4 schlagerman

If it's on Drudge, it must be a lie.

/moonbat

Nah, wait 'til it gets on Faux News. Then it's a lie.

/other moonbat

111 christheprofessor  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:06:00am

re: #99 Thanos

How many more trainwrecks of truth like this can the MSM stand before the public disowns them in entirety?

Quite a few, because a significant percentage already or want to believe such garbage...

112 akak  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:06:02am

Scott who? Isn't that 15 minutes up?

113 g3n3r1c  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:06:06am

Democrats under Rep. Rahm Emanuel and Sen. Schumer have quietly erected their own K Street Project

h/t [Link: www.texasrainmaker.com...]

“I’ve never felt the squeeze that we’re under now to give to Democrats and to hire them,” says one telecom industry representative. “They’ve put out the word that if you have an issue on trade, taxes, or regulation, you’d better be a donor and you’d better not be part of any effort to run ads against our freshmen incumbents.”

114 americanpundit  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:06:14am
re: #66 Izzy Dunne

I just searched their blogs. There was not a single return for "shock troops", "scott thomas", "beauchamp", etc.

The only result for "weekly standard" is from Oct. 18 on a completely unrelated matter.

115 Reggie Dunlop  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:07:03am

This guy is a traitor. His horribly lame and ultimately poorly written stories have given more fodder and renewed verve for the enemy. I hope he burns. Unfortunately, though he is a liar, his stories are "true of the larger context" according to America haters like himself. I can just imagine how long it took before a "No Contact Order" was issued between him and everyone in his unit. They all hate him more than the enemy most likely. What a douche.

It's pretty ossum he'll spend the rest of his life hated by any logical-thinking person. And he lost his fiance too, good job idiot.


No job, fiance, future = waste of space and an oxygen thief.

116 rappmandu  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:07:34am

re: #89 Shiplord Kirel

Eggsellent!

117 albusteve  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:07:45am

re: #112 akak

Scott who? Isn't that 15 minutes up?

er, what are you talking about again?...hahaha

118 coquimbojoe  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:07:51am

re: #102 MandyManners

re: #88 albusteve

re: #82 coquimbojoe


re: #63 Golem Akbar:-%uFFFD

That was before I was married to Angelina Jolie, who I've seen naked. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Fixed it for you. Amazingly enough, I also married Angela....


I am Angelina

Can I get some parenting advice from you and Brad?

Britney's better for that kind of thing.... Better to come to us for 'How to stifle press coverage in third world nations advice'.

119 Thanos  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:08:11am

re: #111 christheprofessor

re: #99 Thanos


How many more trainwrecks of truth like this can the MSM stand before the public disowns them in entirety?

Quite a few, because a significant percentage already or want to believe such garbage...

Yes, it's true a lot of folks willfully subscribe to lies .

120 coquimbojoe  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:08:58am

re: #119 Thanos

Its the old fake but accurate canard.

121 Thanos  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:09:25am

/blegh ignore that link... it was to the subscription page at TNR. You can't get there direct apparently.

122 ZionistYoungster  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:09:31am

OT and linkage, for a commentary on hypocrisy:

On CounterPunch, Michael Birmingham asks: What Happened in Nahr Al Bared? With the subtitle:

A Palestinian Camp in Lebanon is Burned and Destroyed, the Media is Banned, and the World is Silent

No excerpt whatever is needed. All Mr. Birmingham needs is to have his question answered, and I will oblige:

The massacre in Nahr Al Bared got silence from the world because you, you Leftists, you MSM "reporters", and yes, you CounterPunch writers too, never really supported the "Palestinians"; they have always been only your cause celebré as a club with which to bash Israel in particular and "US/Western/Christian/White (etc.) imperialism" in general.

So when it is not Israel that took action against them, but fellow Arabs did it, there was no point in making noise about it. As with the problem of racism, we see here the irony that the Leftists are the ones who, by their misguided actions, do the most to stall a resolution.

Glad to see you got pangs of moral conscience, though, Michael. Advice where to put it to best work--where it's needed most: Darfur. There's a race-driven genocide going on there, if you didn't know. You don't hear about it so much, because there are no whites involved--it's Arab Muslims against black Muslims and Christians there.

123 dentate  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:09:32am

re: #118 coquimbojoe

re: #102 MandyManners


re: #88 albusteve

re: #82 coquimbojoe

re: #63 Golem Akbar:-©

That was before I was married to Angelina Jolie, who I've seen naked. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Fixed it for you. Amazingly enough, I also married Angela....


I am Angelina

Can I get some parenting advice from you and Brad?

Britney's better for that kind of thing.... Better to come to us for 'How to stifle press coverage in third world nations advice'.

We'll always have Paris...

124 realwest  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:09:34am

re: #68 lawhawk I agree with what you're saying, especially about the milbloggers, but Charles and LGF turned a pretty damned bright light on this bullshit right from the jump.

125 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:09:48am

"Truth" and "lies" are racist ideas cooked up by oil companies run by rich white men!

126 Photios  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:10:09am

I think that TNR was hoping that this would remain a blogosphere matter or little interest to other readers or the general public. While it may never be of interest to the general public its exposure on the Drudge Report is brings it out of the blogoshere and into a wider audience.

TNR has said (as Charles has pointed out) that they are concerned with the integrity of their reports. They are failing to protect that.

Also, I wonder if the presence of Elspeth Reeve (the wife) as fact checker has caused them, out of a faulty sense of loyalty to their employees, to try to make the story just go away.

Of course, maybe they are just liars, but I hate to say so.

+Photi

127 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:10:19am

Oh come on... it was satire... get over it.

/do I need to?

Walter in Golden, Co.

128 christheprofessor  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:10:54am

re: #119 Thanos

re: #111 christheprofessor


re: #99 Thanos

How many more trainwrecks of truth like this can the MSM stand before the public disowns them in entirety?

Quite a few, because a significant percentage already or want to believe such garbage...

Yes, it's true a lot of folks willfully subscribe to lies .

Heh. The internet gods must have smiled upon me, as my browser could not display the TNR subscription page...

129 mattm  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:10:57am

This is the reason libs hate competition. With opposig views so readliy available it is much harder for them to lie.

130 galloping granny  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:11:08am

Google caches so many nice things - here we go:

A Scott Beauchamp Update -
[Link: 64.233.169.104...]

Actually, here are all 179,000 references -

[Link: www.google.com...]

131 coquimbojoe  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:11:10am

re: #100 albusteve

Um, no? Although 'Albus' does seem to be being associated with gays lately.....

132 realwest  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:11:39am

The one thing I don't understand is why TNR seems to think that maintaining silence on this is gonna make it any better for them. Hell, just come out and say "We were taken in. Our investigation apparently wasn't thorough enough. We're sorry."
Geebus, what is it, hubris that prevents them from putting that out there?

133 coquimbojoe  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:11:46am

re: #123 dentate

re: #118 coquimbojoe

re: #102 MandyManners


re: #88 albusteve


re: #82 coquimbojoe

re: #63 Golem Akbar:-©That was before I was married to Angelina Jolie, who I've seen naked. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Fixed it for you. Amazingly enough, I also married Angela....


I am Angelina


Can I get some parenting advice from you and Brad?


Britney's better for that kind of thing.... Better to come to us for 'How to stifle press coverage in third world nations advice'.

We'll always have Paris...

Yes. Yes, we will.

134 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:11:59am

re: #118 coquimbojoe

LOL!

135 rappmandu  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:12:02am

#122?

136 albusteve  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:12:39am

re: #131 coquimbojoe

re: #100 albusteve

Um, no? Although 'Albus' does seem to be being associated with gays lately.....

I'm only partially gay as you can see!

137 galloping granny  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:12:42am

re: #115 Reggie Dunlop

This guy is a traitor. His horribly lame and ultimately poorly written stories have given more fodder and renewed verve for the enemy. I hope he burns. Unfortunately, though he is a liar, his stories are "true of the larger context" according to America haters like himself. I can just imagine how long it took before a "No Contact Order" was issued between him and everyone in his unit. They all hate him more than the enemy most likely. What a douche.

It's pretty ossum he'll spend the rest of his life hated by any logical-thinking person. And he lost his fiance too, good job idiot.


No job, fiance, future = waste of space and an oxygen thief.

No "no contact" order required, I am sure. He would probably be lucky if they dragged him in off the battlefield.

138 dngrmse  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:12:45am

Courage, Scott....courage.

/Dan Rather

139 Dianna  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:13:20am

re: #77 americanpundit

Big surprise there!

And of course, TNR threw Ellie under the bus, too.

I bet she's annoyed.

140 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:14:11am

re: #5 MandyManners

If he were in my army, he'd be peeling spuds and scrubbing the latrine with a toothbrush until his enlistment were up.

Yep, he'd be a Permanent Latrine Orderly, like Andy Griffith in No Time For Seargents. Except he was in the Air Force.

141 albusteve  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:15:23am

re: #140 Ward Cleaver

re: #5 MandyManners


If he were in my army, he'd be peeling spuds and scrubbing the latrine with a toothbrush until his enlistment were up.

Yep, he'd be a Permanent Latrine Orderly, like Andy Griffith in No Time For Seargents. Except he was in the Air Force.

he should be dragged onto CNN and made to come clean in prime time...

142 kaymad  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:15:41am

I love it. I'd pay good money to see the looks on the faces of those working at the New Republic when they found out this made it on Drudge.

I would imagine the nearby pharmacy is out of antacids.

143 Squirrelguy  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:15:57am

re: #86 looking closely

Nice to see that at least someone else is not letting this drop.

TNR can stonewall on this forever, but they aren't going to get closure until they provide it themselves by doing the right thing.

Seppuku?

144 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:16:29am

re: #113 g3n3r1c

Democrats under Rep. Rahm Emanuel and Sen. Schumer have quietly erected their own K Street Project

h/t [Link: www.texasrainmaker.com...]

“I’ve never felt the squeeze that we’re under now to give to Democrats and to hire them,” says one telecom industry representative. “They’ve put out the word that if you have an issue on trade, taxes, or regulation, you’d better be a donor and you’d better not be part of any effort to run ads against our freshmen incumbents.”

MSM's response: loud snoring.

145 Thanos  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:17:02am

At TNR distorting truth is a daily excercise -- notice this article's title and then read the Wapo article it's derived from that doesn't mention Rudy at all. Instead it's mostly about children of families donating en masse to Obama.

146 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:18:25am

re: #103 mama winger

re: #99 Thanos

How many more trainwrecks of truth like this can the MSM stand before the public disowns them in entirety?

Thousands.

A lot more than that.

Actually, a particular swath of the public will only be encouraged now in their loyalty. I like the way that only a few days before the NYT set up Drudge as biased etc. So the typical lefty coolaid drinkers will just say "well, that's what we expected from someone like Drudge." And they will say "well of course the military said that -- typical CYA --can't trust them." And Beauchump only recanted because he was confused or because the tremendous pressure put on him by the military. Heck, I wouldn't be at all surprised if over in Kostardistan they have already determined that he was tortured by the military into recanting.

It's like what happened with Michael Bellisles author of the fraudulent book on gun ownership. He was immediately championed by the left as having revealed the "truth" that ripped away the veil of lies that had dominated American history. When he was attacked for fabricating evidence, he became a hero of "free thought." When he was fired he became a martyr. They didn't care if he'd lied. He had spoken the "truth" even if it was contrary to facts, evidence, and logic.

So too with Beauchump. He is a hero; now he'll become a martyr to the cause of "truth." As we've seen over and again, the left is smarter than reality. They know better than the facts. If it suited their political agenda, they would proclaim the sun to be black and the day to be night.

147 Olah Chadasha  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:19:07am

I don't see what this changes. The New Republic can go on saying they have nothing to recount. What? Isn't it obvious? They're just going to claim that little Stevie was tortured or coerced in some way to "admit" his story was contrived and that he's totally full of sh*t.
-OC

148 Axiom  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:20:54am

It was roughly 10 years ago that the New Republic suffered a similar fate when dealing with Stephen Glass.

149 MoonbatBane  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:21:44am

Whatever you do, though, don't call that lying slug Beauchamp a "phony soldier," or you'll bring the wrath of the traitorous libscum Decmcraps in the US Senate down on your head!

150 Piglet-U93  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:21:54am

re: #99 Thanos

How many more trainwrecks of truth like this can the MSM stand before the public disowns them in entirety?

In about 2 more years. IMHO

151 nihilist  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:23:00am

Good for Drudge. If mainstream "professional" journalism units get to pump out false stories and hide the truth and publish lies in a time of war, then Matt Drudge is doing more to defend journalism's reputation as anything resembling open, honest, and transparent than any of these hacks at TNR ever could.

Good for Drudge!

152 americanpundit  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:23:06am

Alright did a Google search.

Brings you a result from TNR. "Shock Troops" is the title. Pull it up, and you get:

"We're sorry. The page you requested can not be found".

They can't seriously be sweeping this under the rug, right?

153 MoonbatBane  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:27:27am

I put on the hip waders and slogged through some of the stuff over at TNR. Wow, I haven't seen such abject stupidity, dearth of understanding of basic economics, and knee-jerk leftism since I suffered through Das Kapital.

154 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:29:05am
155 gop_patriot  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:30:23am

re: #152 americanpundit

Alright did a Google search.

Brings you a result from TNR. "Shock Troops" is the title. Pull it up, and you get:

"We're sorry. The page you requested can not be found".

They can't seriously be sweeping this under the rug, right?

You can still get the cached page...

156 MoonbatBane  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:33:57am

re: #153 MoonbatBane

Sorry, I meant the Communist Manifesto (read both under the mantra of "know your enemy").

157 drewas  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:35:41am

Where exactly does irresponsibility leave off and treason begin? Beauchamp indicted the entire US military (including several members of my family) with war crimes and dishonors their service. Is it far-fetched to imagine this emboldening some islamo-fascists and increasing the risks to these men and women who serve so bravely?

158 DngrMse  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:35:48am

re: #152 americanpundit

They can't seriously be sweeping this under the rug, right?

It's more like a cat trying to cover a pile of it's own crap on a tile floor....but yeah, something like that.

159 Dianna  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:36:14am
160 MoonbatBane  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:36:14am

re: #146 Lucius Septimius

So too with Beauchump. He is a hero; now he'll become a martyr to the cause of "truth."

Given the example of kerry that you cite, he's also well on his way to a successful career as a Democrap politician...

161 Piglet-U93  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:37:50am

re: #120 coquimbojoe

re: #119 Thanos

Its the old fake but accurate canard.

Reminds me of - "Buy a Rolls Canardly!"

"Rolls down one hill can hardly get up the next".

(Movie: Explorers)

162 black_flag  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:40:08am
gop_patriot:
re: #152 americanpundit

Alright did a Google search.

Brings you a result from TNR. "Shock Troops" is the title. Pull it up, and you get:

"We're sorry. The page you requested can not be found".

They can't seriously be sweeping this under the rug, right?

You can still get the cached page...

You are both correct, THR is deleting the pages in an attempt to destroy evidence as we speak.

163 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:48:42am

As for Beauchamp's punishment, the second pdf has the answer.

There was an official memorandum of concern placed in his record.

164 Yankee Division Son  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:50:59am
Beauchamp desired to use his experiences to enhance his writing and provide legitimacy to his work possibly becoming the next Hemingway

Next Hemingway?! not a chance in hell....

Next Dan Rather? I'd say he's 'pre-qualified' for that job at CBS...

165 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:55:39am

re: #164 Yankee Division Son

I think Beauchamp has a face for radio.

166 TMF  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 11:55:44am
Private Beauchamp The MSM and the Democrat Party take small bits of truth and twists and exaggerates them into fictional accounts that he puts forth as the whole truth for public consumption.”

FIXED

167 Terp Mole  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 12:04:34pm

Another Beauchamp @ UWisconsin?

‘Islamo-Fascist’ moniker meaningless

As a former military intelligence soldier with eight years in uniform and two tours in Iraq under my metaphorical belt, I would like to point out how freaking idiotic the “Islamo-Fascist” neologism really is...

--Michael Crickton--

168 Terp Mole  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 12:05:37pm
re: #167 Terp Mole

--Michael Crickton--

PIMF: Michael Crichton

169 BuddyG  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 12:06:12pm

Shame on TNR's lack of character for refusing to admit they're wrong.

170 Dianna  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 12:15:58pm

So who gave Drudge the documents?

171 Darwin Akbar  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 12:18:12pm

inspired by #57 -

coming to a theater near you..."Scott Thomas is....Sergant Dork," a Fake But Accurrate War Story, Based on Untrue Facts Torn from Today's Headlines!"

172 HippieforLife  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 12:28:40pm

Fake and not even close to accurate is considered "news" now days.

Kind of OT, but I said on Monday that soon the moonbats would be screaming that the fires in California are caused by:

1. Global warming
2. The Bush administration
3. The war in Iraq (where all the national guard have gone)

Well, it sure didn't take them long. Even Arnold had to tell a TV reporter that things were going as well as can be expected whether she wanted to hear that or not. What I see happening in California is that millions of people have been put at risk and that citizens from all over this country are pitching in to help. I know it is not nice to hate, but I hate the left! They are dishonest and will tell any lie to further their agenda.

173 justacanuck  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 12:33:43pm

Iggy Asper just sent Frankie & Petey a message via the contact form on TNR.

/snerk

174 easy  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 12:35:29pm
The report concludes that “Private Beauchamp takes small bits of truth and twists and exaggerates them into fictional accounts that he puts forth as the whole truth for public consumption.”


And not very well at that.

175 HolmWrecker  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 12:38:05pm

Awesome! We need to make sure this haunts them for a long time.
I like analogies....Scotty is the arm of new republic that poked us one too many times. We ripped off said arm and are beating them down with it. I bet it sucks to be them right now. I love it.

176 looking closely  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 12:40:40pm

re: #170 Dianna

So who gave Drudge the documents?

Great question.

Ignore all but the transcript of the phone call from Foer to Beauchamp for the moment. Only three parties could have taken such a transcript:

a. Foer/TNR
b. Beauchamp
c. The Army (listening in on a phonecall during wartime; I believe they have the right to do this).

Beauchamp wouldn't humiliate himself by going public with this, especially when he said he didn't want to talk about this anymore.

Foer wouldn't want this to leak either, though its quite likely he would carefully document (or record) the conversation with Beauchamp for legal purposes.

Now consider that the other two documents are also from the Army. Are they publically available? I think not. Were they made available to TNR? Probably not.

So by process of elimination, I think the Army itself (or an individual within) is the prime suspect in this leak. It would want these documents to leak to clear its own reputation, by proving that TNR went with a bad story, and that Beauchamp is a chump. Considering that such a leak could be traced, that its a high profile case, and that the persons involved probably aren't idiots, if this is what happened, it actually raises the possibility that someone up the chain of command approved it.

As an alternative possibility, if the Army made the other documents available to TNR, another individual within TNR could be responsible as well, having got his hands on the files.

Remember, there was another editor within TNR who originally leaked the connection to Beauchamp's wife (who then got fired), suggesting that there is likely some element within the magazine unhappy about how things transpired here. Someone else could have leaked this to drive Foer out, or embarassed by the whole mess, to force the magazine to finally clean house over this.

177 Junior  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 12:53:21pm

Umm... its no longer on Drudge. Did Drudge pull the story? Either he's updating or I'm wondering who he's bangin' at TNR. Maybe Foer? I've always wondered about Drudge.

178 Skembo  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 12:56:18pm

I just noticed the same thing...re: #177 Junior

Umm... its no longer on Drudge. Did Drudge pull the story? Either he's updating or I'm wondering who he's bangin' at TNR. Maybe Foer? I've always wondered about Drudge.

I just noticed the same thing... Wondering if anyone had the foresight to save the docs to their HD.

179 Skembo  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 12:57:07pm

If you did, shoot me an e-mail with them...

180 Dianna  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:02:29pm

re: #177 Junior

Think "injunction."

181 Terp Mole  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:03:34pm
re: #176 looking closely Only three parties could have taken such a transcript:

a. Foer/TNR
b. Beauchamp
c. The Army (listening in on a phonecall during wartime; I believe they have the right to do this)...

You forgot... d) Congress

182 Dianna  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:08:15pm

re: #181 Terp Mole

Why am I hearing Elspeth Reeve in the back of my head saying:

Throw me under the bus, will you, Franklin? Ruin my career and destroy my life, will you, Scott? Well, we'll just see about that, shall we?

No proof, of course. It may even be an unfair speculation. But can you think of anyone with a better motive?

183 OliveMe  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:12:07pm

re: #179 Skembo

I have #1 and #2. Don't have #3.

184 rsb1  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:12:17pm

re: #176 looking closely

You forgot the bane of offices - if you know what you're doing, it is very easy to listen in on a conference call...

185 AndyS  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:14:58pm

Perhaps the documents were too good to be true?

The Corner has an e-mail from TNR denying there is any evidence...

186 Tenacious  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:15:20pm

Totally delicious. MSM? You out there?

187 rsb1  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:21:24pm

I was looking over the docs and then they were gone... Looked like a server crash to me... Should we yell "conspiracy" and run around in circles now?

188 Hard Right  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:27:15pm

re: #172 HippieforLife

Fake and not even close to accurate is considered "news" now days.

Kind of OT, but I said on Monday that soon the moonbats would be screaming that the fires in California are caused by:

1. Global warming
2. The Bush administration
3. The war in Iraq (where all the national guard have gone)

Well, it sure didn't take them long. Even Arnold had to tell a TV reporter that things were going as well as can be expected whether she wanted to hear that or not. What I see happening in California is that millions of people have been put at risk and that citizens from all over this country are pitching in to help. I know it is not nice to hate, but I hate the left! They are dishonest and will tell any lie to further their agenda.

Saw an article that says that the California Department of Forestry has absolute authority over half the land they monitor. On the other half 59% of half the land was overgrown due to environmentalists suing to stop preventive fire measures.

189 davidari  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:28:26pm

The docs are still up at [Link: www.drudgereport.com...] Drudge pulled the link but the URL still works.

190 davidari  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:29:53pm

a comma got appended at the end of the link of my previous post. try this one: [Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

191 Dianna  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:30:16pm

re: #187 rsb1

Nah.

I hear that Atlas Shrugs is making a case that terrorists (in the pure sense) set the Southern California fires. That's paranoid conspiracy mongering enough for one day.

192 Junior  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:31:33pm

TNR denying any evidence? YOU DON'T SAY!

Fake but accurate. Hey... its a legitimate line for libs...

Seriously though - wonder why Drudge pulled the story entirely from his front page?

193 Rogue198  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:31:59pm

Michelle Malkin's got copies, you can download them at her site

194 Davidari  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:32:07pm

Ugh, now those are gone. But check out MMs site, she's got the full docs there.

195 AndyS  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:32:13pm

re: #189 davidari

But the PDF links don't work.

196 rk260395  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:34:00pm

Always be careful when you get a document handed to you that confirms everything you want to believe. That was the Mapes/Rather trap and these documents are just WAY to easy to believe in. Things that are too good to be true usually are.

Drudge appears to have pulled the story from his front page and the PDF links in the flash are showing up as 404s so he probably pulled that.

197 rk260395  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:36:13pm

re: #192 Junior

Seriously though - wonder why Drudge pulled the story entirely from his front page?

Someone he trusts might have told him that the docs aren't real. No way he pulls this from any pressure.

198 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:41:58pm

Ace counsels patience. He says that he's sure those docs are legit.

Wait and see.

199 Junior  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:43:28pm

Wait a minute. Because TNR says there is no story we're going to shut it down? Are they really willing to put all their eggs in one basket here?

200 Spartacus  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:45:42pm

I read the Army report. If it is an actual Army document, it puts TNR and Frenchy McChump in a very bad light.

201 Junior  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:46:16pm

re: #198 lawhawk

ACE makes a good point...
"TNR's spin is that the documents "aren't as damning" as they appear, not that they're fake."

In other words. TNR's response is more spin than any denial of facts...

202 Junior  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:47:18pm

And yes, I repeated...

203 MadJadBad  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:50:20pm

re: #24 Golem Akbar

re: #10 gibsonz

The report concludes that “Private Beauchamp takes small
bits of truth and twists and exaggerates them into fictional accounts
that he puts forth as the whole truth for public consumption.”
------
That`s putting it mildly.

Soon to become a film produced by Sean Penn, Ben Afleck, and Steven Spielberg. It'll be billed as based on a true story. And they'll be right, too, since the story was truly published by the New Republic.

It's already done by Brian DePalma with "Redacted", his fictional documentary where he got the "facts" from blogs supposedly written by soldiers. I wonder if any of Beauchamp's stories got into that movie?

204 LTC8K6  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:50:37pm
205 Rogue198  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:50:41pm

re: #201 Junior

re: #198 lawhawk

ACE makes a good point...
"TNR's spin is that the documents "aren't as damning" as they appear, not that they're fake."

In other words. TNR's response is more spin than any denial of facts...


That's what I was about to say...they're not out there claiming fake! They're claiming...nothing to see here citizens...pay no attention to the liar in uniform, go back to your lives

206 rk260395  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:52:09pm

re: #201 Junior

In other words. TNR's response is more spin than any denial of facts...

TNR's response is a lot less important in figuring out what is happening than Drudge's response. You'd expect TNR to start the spin.

What you wouldn't expect is Drudge ripping up his story.

207 COINTELPROAgent  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:54:55pm

The drudge article just got greenlighted at FARK.com - not that I visit such sites...

*cough*

208 LTC8K6  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 1:58:14pm

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

Flash link is working again...

209 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 2:01:04pm

I'm surprised and disappointed by the recent TNR scandals. Their magazine is known as left-of-center (non-moonbat) with some of the most interesting opinion and policy articles on the web. Yossi Klein Halevy writes great stuff for them. Also, I love the way they title their articles with creative and counterintuitive teasers. Too bad they screwed up.

210 Rogue198  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 2:01:56pm

re: #208 LTC8K6

PDF's are still down though

211 LTC8K6  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 2:09:30pm

Well, there up everywhere else, so the TNR editor's claim that they aren't there sounds a bit hollow. There are links to the pdf's all over the place.

212 LTC8K6  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 2:10:25pm

there they're

213 Utah Chris  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 2:22:59pm

I'm wondering if this was a setup by TNR after the Hillary article a few days ago linking her to leaks aimed at influencing Drudge's Reporting?

I thought the article was odd then and now I'm scratching my head wondering if it was a lead-in to a set-up to begin the process of discrediting and painting foolish various blogs that TNR has a hard-on for seeking revenge.

Then again, maybe I'm too distracted by the smoke in my Utah eyes from the California wildfires caused by global warming. Maybe Nancy Pelosi should walk back and forth to Washington to remedy that.

214 Watcher Man  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 2:27:49pm

Via Blackfive

Updates 2: Getting some email that the docs are forgeries. I doubt it. I read them. And I had seen the transcripts weeks ago.

215 rk260395  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 2:31:05pm

I feel better now. K-Lo at the Corner just posted this:

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

[blockquote]I've talked to Jonathan Chait at TNR and he doesn't dispute the accuracy of the documents but he does dispute the analysis that was on Drudge. [/blockquote]

That still doesn't explain why the docs were removed (and they're giving 404's not server/bandwidth errors so they were removed). But at least this appears to be genuine if TNR isn't debating.

They can spin the analysis of Drudge all they want but it's pretty clear this damns them. Although plenty of other stuff has damned them and they're still acting like nothing's wrong so maybe being damned isn't all that bad anymore.

216 Izzy Dunne  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 2:56:55pm

re: #149 MoonbatBane

Whatever you do, though, don't call that lying slug Beauchamp a "phony soldier," or you'll bring the wrath of the traitorous libscum Decmcraps in the US Senate down on your head!

Hmmm. Maybe I can get a letter from Unca Harry and sell it!

BEAUCHAMP IS A PHONY SOLDIER !

There. I done did it.

/waiting for the postman....

217 beavereater  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 2:59:16pm

The police have just shot Global Warming, The Goracle?

218 jwbaumann  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 3:32:00pm

Fake but inarticulate.

219 stevieray  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 3:48:31pm

re: #209 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey

I'm surprised and disappointed by the recent TNR scandals. Their magazine is known as left-of-center (non-moonbat) with some of the most interesting opinion and policy articles on the web.

Its not the only magazine on a downward spiral. The Economist used to be a must read; full of interesting articles with a fair and fact-based point of view. Now it is a lefty talking-points rag. I think both have taken big-time BDS pratfalls, and may not be able to pick themselves up again.

220 looking closely  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 6:18:27pm

re: #184 rsb1

re: #176 looking closely

You forgot the bane of offices - if you know what you're doing, it is very easy to listen in on a conference call...

I didn't forget that at all. The leak could have happened technically in many different ways, but that's really irrelevant.

The leak had to come from within either the Army or from within TNR. Those are the only two choices.

Thinking about this more, there's almost no way that happened. Nobody junior with access to those documents would risk tossing their military career in the toilet over a piece of sh#$ buck private like Beauchamp. Nobody senior would care to do it either.

So that leaves someone at TNR as the likely culprit.

Actually, the poster who suggested Elspeth Reeve as the leaker might be onto something. I can think of many reasons why she might want to do this, not the least of which being her intense personal embarassment over being indirectly responsible for this debacle. She could see this as a way to redeem herself professionally, or maybe just as a bit of good old fashioned revenge.

So this had to come from ould toss their career

221 rsb1  Wed, Oct 24, 2007 7:07:25pm

I like the idea of Elspeth - it has an elegant irony to it.


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