Why was it removed at Drudge?

Probably a C&D.

I prefer:

Shattered Glass 2: The Truth in Shards

Hate and truth...as water to oil.

Links aren't working for me.

or me...Firefox

I can't access the pdf's.

Scott Beauchamp Document Dump

"Dump" is certainly the right word.

Wait, nevermind.

Charles, the pdf's are missing.

Stopping Hillary from the left

A newly formed political action committee is aiming to stop Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary by calling into question her progressive credentials.

"We think there are other Democratic presidential candidates who are both more progressive and have a better chance of beating the Republicans than she does," said the president of Democratic Courage, Glenn Hurowitz.

Thank you...do more! [Link: www.politico.com...]

I can't get them either.

Err, nevermind my previous "nevermind".

I get "server not found"

I wonder what they’ll call the sequel to Shattered Glass?

How about, Shattered Glass 2: Shock Truth?

How about

Shattered Reputation

or

Shattered Ass

re: #14 FrogMarch

I get "server not found"

Me, too.

re: #14 FrogMarch

I get "server not found"

I had dinner in a place like that.

The latter, Zombie.

ROFL

links no worky for me

re: #17 storagemanager

re: #14 FrogMarch

I get "server not found"

I had dinner in a place like that.

LOL

Add a .com to the url

Firefox users, right click and say "open in new tab" - worked for me.

Make...them...blink!

Make...them...blink!

Can't open
IE 7

Typo in the URLs, sorry about that. It's fixed now.

Hmm, it seems the Zionist conspiracy broke the links.

re: #15 zombie

I wonder what they’ll call the sequel to Shattered Glass?How about, Shattered Glass 2: Shock Truth?

How about

Shattered Reputation

or

Shattered Ass

#2

Working now

Using irreverent humor to blast the politicizing of California's wildfires, radio giant Rush Limbaugh today adopted some anti-war war logic to call for the firefighters to be brought home.

"I think it's time to bring the firefighters home. I think it's time to bring the firefighters out of there – it's just too dangerous," Limbaugh said on his top-rated program, noting the front-line responders were in grave danger. "They're in there on a false premise anyway, that they can put out the fire. We can't win against the fire, folks, just like we can't win in Iraq. So if the liberals want to politicize this, then I ask them to be consistent and admit defeat to the fire, admit we can't beat the fire and get these brave firefighters out of there ... ."

Limbaugh continued comparing the battle with the blazes to waging the Iraq War, noting, "It's just gonna be back next year anyway. We're putting so many brave people at risk here fighting a fire we can't win. Sound familiar, ladies and gentlemen?"

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

Nevermind.

re: #25 Charles

Typo in the URLs, sorry about that. It's fixed now.

Thanks.

The links aren't working at a lot of sites - but I went to The Corner and they have the PDF's! The Bagdad Diarist says "I have to say in my layman's reading of the three documents, it doesn't seem to constitute a clear cut "confession."" I guess my layman's reading is a bit different.

I don't wish to sound defeatist but here goes anyway.

How much traction will this actually get? Sadly, I can guarantee you that if I ask 20 people I know about Scott Thomas Beauchamp they won't have a clue of who he is. I'd be lucky if 5 know what the New Republic is.

Don't get me wrong with what I just wrote. I am thrilled that this has come out and hope that the documents are indeed authentic. I want this in all the newspapers across the land. I want it all over the press. Our military is the finest across the globe and for them to be slandered by this person really pisses me off. But the New Republic is not the end-all-be-all and after the Stephen Glass affair their stock has indeed fallen (figuratively if not literally).

Sadly, our fighting forces have been slimed so many times that I don't think this will make much difference. And lets face it, the list is even longer with respect to the war reporting in general. I recall the BS story about the seven Muslims burned alive outside of a mosque around Thanksgiving. Sure, we found the story to be untrue but how many news outlets reported retractions? I don't recall many if any.

re: #33 uncleFuzzy

Sometimes if you look at the immensity of the task, it seems overwhelming. When that happens, just remind yourself:

The only battle I have to fight today is the one right in front of me.

Glad now I got 'em from Drudge.

Here's TNR's latest statement as I just heard it come in over the etherwave lengths: Facts, what facts, we ain't got no stinkin facts. we don't need no stinkin facts, we'is the Glass Factory!

Just downloaded them all.

Damn, that there's a lot of words to wade through. No time!

I leave it to others to sift through it all.

/back to the slave pits.

The Senate today voted down the DREAM Act, a controversial measure that would have paved the way to legal status for thousands of young illegal aliens if they attend college or join the military.

The measure, which was rushed through the Senate just months after the failure of President Bush's comprehensive immigration plan, fell eight votes short of the 60 it needed to proceed.

The DREAM Act, which stands for "Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act," would allow illegals who graduate from high school to attain legal status if they complete two years of college or serve at least two years in the military.

In heated Senate debate, Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., called the measure a "slap in the face to all of those who came in legally."

The original sponsor of the bill, Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., argued children of illegals shouldn't be punished for the sins of their parents.

One side has logic and justice....the other...if it feels good...do it. [Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

Refresh the page...then they download.

re: #17 storagemanager

re: #14 FrogMarch

I get "server not found"

I had dinner in a place like that.

Me Too.

Not only is this a repeat of Shattered Glass, but it also reeks of the Rathergate "Fake, but Accurate" lead into the inevitable stonewall.

Frankly, to all but the most rabid koolaid drinkers, TNR has less credibility than Beauchamp does at this point. They're jsut hoping that most of the MSM will continue to ignore the story and that it will slide into either a memory hole or they will just discount it as being much to do about nothing by a bunch of partisan bloggers.

re: #34 mama winger

Oh yes, indeed. That's why I don't want to sound 'down' on this. I just get so frustrated with all the crap dished on our fighting forces that it really pisses me off.

And you're right. I just try to fight that day's battle and sleep at peace.

Just today I saw a vet at the VA near my home who had lost his right leg. And it got me thinking of turds like Beauchamp. Like I said, it really pisses me off.

'Pray hard for us, America' I'm an Orange County resident and these are the worst fires I've ever seen. It seems everyone I come across is affected in some way. Some have lost homes, some have lost all their worldly possessions and have nothing left to their name except the clothes on their backs. Some are in shelters, some are stuffed into still existing homes but suffocating from all the smoke and debris in the air. Personally, the fires are all around me, but I do believe my home will be OK as I am in a big urban area and the fires are more centered in the suburban areas. But I feel like I'm choking to death on smoke, fumes, and ash.

Orange County was my home...almost all of my life.... [Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

But Charles, if these are real, then why did Drudge remove them? Hmm, maybe someone from TNR told him to cease and desist.

I haven't read much but from early in the first document it reads like Beauchamp is using the Mark McGuire defense with additional limitations.

Beauchamp: "So, I sort of decided personally that I'm not really going to discuss with any media outlet at all my military experiences past, present or future. And like, that would include anything I've written. I'm basically saying, like, I basically want it to end."

What a coward.

Bo-chump, another symptom in the disease of the One Worldview Media.

Gotta go, lizards... it's been fascinating as always, but I have to bake 300 scones. *sigh*

Maybe I'll eat the ugly ones, LOL!

Do we know that Drudge removed them? After all, they are now posted at The Corner - hm, maybe I better run a verify and make sure the files are the same?

re: #45 cookielady
Scones - yum - got a good recipe?

RUNNING SPRINGS, Calif. (AP) - Forty hours after he arrived in the San Bernardino National Forest, firefighter Peter Stanton stepped gingerly over a sleeping colleague and wondered what his next assignment was going to be. "We've been going nonstop. I kind of hope they're going to send us to sleep, but I'm pretty sure we're going back out," he said.

Fire crews, tankers and helicopters poured in to Southern California on Wednesday, bringing welcome relief to firefighters exhausted by as many as four straight days of fighting unusually ferocious blazes that were scattered across a huge swath of Southern California.

From mountainside resorts to the shores of Malibu to the Mexican border, about 15 blazes destroyed at least 1,500 homes and threatened tens of thousands of others.

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

re: #33 uncleFuzzy

I don't wish to sound defeatist but here goes anyway.

How much traction will this actually get? Sadly, I can guarantee you that if I ask 20 people I know about Scott Thomas Beauchamp they won't have a clue of who he is. I'd be lucky if 5 know what the New Republic is.

Don't get me wrong with what I just wrote. I am thrilled that this has come out and hope that the documents are indeed authentic. I want this in all the newspapers across the land. I want it all over the press. Our military is the finest across the globe and for them to be slandered by this person really pisses me off. But the New Republic is not the end-all-be-all and after the Stephen Glass affair their stock has indeed fallen (figuratively if not literally).

Sadly, our fighting forces have been slimed so many times that I don't think this will make much difference. And lets face it, the list is even longer with respect to the war reporting in general. I recall the BS story about the seven Muslims burned alive outside of a mosque around Thanksgiving. Sure, we found the story to be untrue but how many news outlets reported retractions? I don't recall many if any.

Wow.

Me too, then.

re: #47 rsb1
Sorry - that should have been marked OT.
I'm kind of new at this, still learning...

Exerpt from the 3rd PDF, Page 6, Paragraph h:

[. . . "I find that private Beauchamp takes small bits of truth and twists and exagerates them into fictional accounts that he puts forth as the whole truth" . . .]

Hey, what's news about that? . . . so do Media Matters, Harry Reid,
Nancy Pelosi, Moveon.org, KosKidz, et al, of the lying liberal
lunatic left.

/just sayin'

OT and linkage. To wash down the recent round of spats between right-wingers, here's a CounterPunch article complaining of left-wing disunity and failure:

Looking Reality in the Face, by Todd Chretien. Excerpts:

As Socialist Worker has pointed out, the strong antiwar sentiment in the public generally has not been matched by antiwar action. On the contrary, the movement has grown organizationally weaker as the war has gone on, despite the deepening crisis of the occupation.

Maybe it's because not just the ideas, but also the people behind the ideas, are still the same that were in the 1960's.

As Sharon Smith wrote recently, UFPJ's plan to build a "'left-center coalition'...spells disaster for the antiwar movement" if it means making our demands acceptable to pro-war Democrats.

However, UFPJ's main rival, the ANSWER coalition, has pursued policies that are just as damaging.

Heh.

For one, ANSWER now claims that the antiwar movement is in its ascendancy. After the group's national protest on September 15, national coordinator Brian Becker wrote: "100,000 March on Washington! [...]

[...]

This is not a description of reality. By the accounts of people not connected to ANSWER who were at the protest, it was attended by no more than 10,000 to 15,000 people.

As any Zombietime photo essay can confirm.

If you are in an anti-scott mood (or not), it's always good to take a couple of minutes to say thanks to the good guys....

[Link: www.letssaythanks.com...]

I need a break....watch an old movie...see ya.

re: #42 storagemanager

I lived in Julian one summer. From the maps, it looks as if the whole area around Ramona, Poway, Escondido and Julian is completely covered by fire.
Such a gorgeous area. Beautiful avocado groves and apple orchards.

*sigh*

re: #53 Deafdog

Thank you for that! : )

re: #33 uncleFuzzy

Where do you live? Can I move there? As I live in the SF Bay Area, I have heard over and over from many "liberal" friends about the great hero Scott Beauchamp. They're all in denial now and ignoring my emails. That's not stopping me from repeatedly emailing them about this though.

/yes, I am rubbing it in but they've been rubbing in the 2006 election for a year now and most are doing a dance in anticipation of Hitlery winning next year.

When this scandal broke, we weren't happy to see a soldier slandering and maligning his fellow soldiers. The wife took a special exception to this because the little shit-bag was painting with a pretty broad brush, and she believed that brush touched on her brother's honorable service in Afghanistan.

People like Beauchamp are entitled to their opinion, but to do what he did -- to outright write lies, and peddle them to a left-wing rag that isn't even WORTHY of being a cage-liner -- really pissed us off.

What continues to irk the Hell out of us is that the chumps at TNR haven't demanded the resignation of ALL involved in this mess. Foer needs to go. Scoblic goes. His pitiful wife goes.

If TNR wants to repair it's down-the-johnny-flusher rep (like that could EVER happen) there have to be some heads that roll.

BTW, K-Lo at the Corner confirmed through Jonathan Chait (another dunce in this mess) that TNR isn't disputing these documents:

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

"I've read them very quickly — reads to me like a young soldier in way over his head. I've talked to Jonathan Chait at TNR and he doesn't dispute the accuracy of the documents but he does dispute the analysis that was on Drudge.

I have to say in my layman's reading of the three documents, it doesn't seem to constitute a clear cut "confession." Again, reads like a kid who is in way too deep and wants out. Does that mean he was lying all along and doesn't want to continue to? Maybe. But unless I'm misunderstanding — and unless there's more to what he signed that I realize — I wouldn't be comfortable calling it a confession. Yes, it's weird someone wouldn't defend himself if he was telling the truth, once confronted with a military investigatory document indicating his work doesn't check out. But it looks to me these documents just raise more questions. I think we still don't know the full story.

Yeah, and one of them is why these asshats are still employed at TNR.

re: #43 marwan's daughter

But Charles, if these are real, then why did Drudge remove them? Hmm, maybe someone from TNR told him to cease and desist.

They were not removed because they weren't genuine, and no one threatened Drudge. I'm not at liberty to reveal anything more than that.

re: #47 rsb1

re: #45 cookielady
Scones - yum - got a good recipe?

I have an excellent recipe! So good, they don't need anything added; just eat 'em. But I must admit, they are extra delicious with a bit of cream. I'll post it or send it if you like.

re: #59 Charles

I didn't know you were a tease, Charles! ;-)

The validity of these documents should be proved or disproved fairly quickly. I assume they are legit.

Even if they are legit, why should TNR issue any response? They publish liberal fantasies, and Beauchamp's stories were perfect liberal fantasies. So what is the problem? TNR should ask Beauchamp for more of the same.

re: #60 cookielady

re: #47 rsb1

re: #45 cookielady
Scones - yum - got a good recipe?

I have an excellent recipe! So good, they don't need anything added; just eat 'em. But I must admit, they are extra delicious with a bit of cream. I'll post it or send it if you like.

rsb1, I'll set my nic to blue so you can email me, and I will be happy to reply with the recipe if you like. Don't wanna mess with the thread. :-)

Assuming validity (sorry to add a disclaimer, but who wants to pull a Rather when they don't have the resources to check?) - these are about as damning as it gets.

I wonder what they’ll call the sequel to Shattered Glass?

Tattered Asshat?

Charles wrestled this one from Drudge because he was all over it from the git-go. Professional courtesy, I'm guessing.

Know what I'm saying............

Foer comes off pretty slimy:

Foer: (Unintelligible) You owe it to us ah to just ah .... you owe it to us to basically kind of report on ourselves and be able to put out whatever next thing ... I think you ought to basically talk to us, and let us control the way this story proceeds. I think that's the least you could do for us. I think it would be further evidence, further sign to us that you're just sticking it to us if you went and talked to these other guys before we could put out anything further.

re: #59 Charles

re: #43 marwan's daughter

But Charles, if these are real, then why did Drudge remove them? Hmm, maybe someone from TNR told him to cease and desist.

They were not removed because they weren't genuine, and no one threatened Drudge. I'm not at liberty to reveal anything more than that.

Dang you, Charles!

:shakes fist:

Could be that Drudge pulled the docs so as to protect someone who might otherwise get in some kind of trouble for having leaked them (?)

I'm still just reading the first one, but it's high comedy. Scotty refuses to recant or stand by his stories either way. He just refuses to comment on them. Foer tells him that Ellie, Scott's wife, wants him to say he didn't recant and he still won't answer. I wonder if A) she genuinely believes the stories are true, or B) if she wants to make it appear that the Army is falsely claiming Scott recanted. I'm going for B.

re: #59 Charles

*cough* Fox News *cough*

Charles...

First Civil Suit against the Fred Phelps

Fred Phelps Family In Court

re: #72 MacGregor

re: #59 Charles

*cough* Fox News *cough*

(lol)

re: #57 pimp_conservative

LOL. I've visited the San Francisco area many times and I have a sense of where you are coming from. I've enjoyed every visit but made an effort to not get too involved with the locals. It would have damaged too many otherwise good relationships.

I live west of Chicago. And while we have the buffoon Daley and the equally corrupt City Council in Chicago and Tod Stroger leading the C(r)ook County Board, the moon-battery is relatively tame by comparison.

Like my grandmother used to say about Daley's father, "He may be a corrupt mayor, but he's OUR corrupt mayor." You've just got to love that Chi-town attitude.

Synopsis (crude, quick and probably inacurate):

The army report basically says that STB's stories were either wholly fabricated or were huge and blatant distortions of actual events. Furthermore, these tales were a breach of protocol, harmed morale, and dishonored the Army.

In the other 2 reports, Scott says he doesn't want to talk to the media anymore, he's in the Army and he has a job to do. TNR replies by saying that they've stood by him. They employ his wife. They printed his stories. For these reasons TNR is not just a media outlet and Scott should talk to them. Scot then replies by not saying much except that he won't confirm the truth or falsehood of his stories and that he does not want to talk to the media anymore.

re: #33 uncleFuzzy

Yesterday, I drove a gaggle of high school girls on a special field trip, for the school my son teaches at.

They first sang and sang......songs from across 4 generations, which knowledge impressed me hopefully.....

Then they talked, girl talk --boys, movies.....all sorts of things..........but, again, across several generations!

Then, they asked me, hesitantly, if I supported Bush on the war with terrorism...........and we were off and running --they held their own, on knowledge of the affair....knowledge of the good truth, even though they could not know all the details I learn herein.

I was so impressed --good generation coming up, I tell ya! :)

re: #71 doppelganglander

I'm still just reading the first one, but it's high comedy. Scotty refuses to recant or stand by his stories either way. He just refuses to comment on them. Foer tells him that Ellie, Scott's wife, wants him to say he didn't recant and he still won't answer. I wonder if A) she genuinely believes the stories are true, or B) if she wants to make it appear that the Army is falsely claiming Scott recanted. I'm going for B.

_______________
Scott should have used the standard Clintonista reply to all the investigations of the Clinton years ......
"I don't recall"

. . And Janet Reno's standard reply to info requests on every Clinton-era wrong doing investigation was:
"I can't comment on that, because it's the subject of an ongoing investigation"

/Uncle Stonewall

re: #34 mama winger

re: #33 uncleFuzzy

Sometimes if you look at the immensity of the task, it seems overwhelming. When that happens, just remind yourself:

The only battle I have to fight today is the one right in front of me.

Mama Winger, you are a very wise woman.

It's interesting that in the transcript Executive Editor Scoblic talks about Foer having his name reputation trashed. The major media haven't touched this story. These liberals have no idea how easy they have it compared with what a conservative media outlet would endure if it had perpetrated a similar hoax. They like to dismiss Fox News as "Faux News," but it's always their side with the faux news.

re: #7 David IV of Georgia

I can't access the pdf's.

Dave IV -

Use "Exploder" - pdf's on Firefox have been glitchy lately.

-S-

re: #70 Le_Patriot

Could be that Drudge pulled the docs so as to protect someone who might otherwise get in some kind of trouble for having leaked them (?)

Doesn't matter. Once they're leaked, they're leaked. I have my copies.

He caved. And in doing so, the story caves as well. The next to cave will be the New Republic.

I thought I detected a font change on one line, but it was an illusion. The first pdf loads up at 102%, changing it back to 100% clarified the font and kerning, so trick of my display resolution, not a change in font.

It seems that certain people actually want to believe that our troops - who are honorable men fighting for our freedom- are rapists and murderers, regardless of the truth. It was true in Vietnam, and it's true now.

Many apologies to our brave men and women in uniform, no one deserves to be slandered this way.

re: #76 David IV of Georgia

I agree with this. I've been through all the documents (save all the details in the third) and you've summarized it well.

My personal feeling from reading the transcripts was that Beauchamp came across as unsure of himself. As if he got a dose of reality that didn't jive with the world he thought he was living in.

If I may be so crude, only after he crossed the carpeted room did he realize that he had stepped in a big pile of dog poop.

Shattered Glass 2: Electric Boogaloo

Be sure to check out powerlineblog.com
they have been doing great posts on this issue all along, Scott Johnson.
REally great analysis of the "fable-writer" Beecham er Beauchamp...

Apology from the scum at TNR for The Vile Slander and Libel against The Men and Women in our Armed Forces coming when ?

Shattered Glass 2: Dishonor, Dirty, Fiction

Shattered Glass 2: Don't Question his Patriotism

Shattered Glass 2: An Inconveniant Truth

OT: Over at National Review, via Hot Air:

Following Rush's example

re: #77 Ma Sands

That's great to hear. I wish you and them all the best.

My opinion is that I'm more than willing to discuss virtually anything with anyone as long as we stick to the facts.

I'm sorry to cut tonight short but I really want to play with my kids right now. God willing I'll be back in a little while.

re: #80 Dave659

It's interesting that in the transcript Executive Editor Scoblic talks about Foer having his name reputation trashed. The major media haven't touched this story. These liberals have no idea how easy they have it compared with what a conservative media outlet would endure if it had perpetrated a similar hoax. They like to dismiss Fox News as "Faux News," but it's always their side with the faux news.

________________________
Like the elder apes in "Planet of the Apes" where they referred to the "forbidden zone" to keep every one away from discovering the truth (where Charlton Heston eventually found the Statue of Liberty head) . . . . so also the libs constantly do continual references to Fox News as
"faux news"
"nothing to see here, folks"
"it's a Republican propaganda machine"

(Say it often enough, and people will believe it)

I watch all the major news outlets, just to see who is spinning what, and I can see that Fox News is more fair and balanced than any of the rest.

/Not to mention that Fox has the most attractive women vs any other news channel . . . but I digress : )

re: #81 Dr. Shalit

re: #7 David IV of Georgia

I can't access the pdf's.

Dave IV -

Use "Exploder" - pdf's on Firefox have been glitchy lately.

-S-

I was using Safari on a mac PowerPC G4. Charles fixed the links, but then Safari used the Quicktime plugin to display them. They were microscopic. So I downloaded them and was able to read them easily.

I've not been able to find a way to tell Safari which plugin to use for various types of documents. Apparently with Camino, Firefox and Konqueror you can change them.

From my familiarity with military docs, they certainly appear genuine as far as formating, etc, unlike the Rather TANG fake-but-accurate docs. That said, it's obvious Be-a-chimp was lying, and the military called him out on it. He could then either face courts-martial and a bad-conduct discharge, or recant and shut his yap and maybe get of Iraq in one piece and perhaps resurrect his fledgeling writing career at a later date. I think he opted for "B" and threw TNR under the bus. You could tell they were about to explode in a fit but couldn't because of the other people present with chimp-boy. Yeah, serves you right, you bastards.

86-Uncle fuzzy-maybe it will come out upon discovery that he had a mentor encouraging all this BDS and anti-military lies.
These people live in a lefty crackpot bubble.maybe we will see what group encouraged all these stories. And have deserted him. that is why he is scared and clamming up. He has made a pact with the devil.

re: #55 gop_patriot
Escondido is now calmed down. My family is on their way back to their homes near the Wild Animal Park.
The Park 'broke' the Witch Fire and diverted it around my family's neighborehood, thus saving 500 homes.
Alas, Rancho Bernardo,Poway and Rancho San Pasquale were then devestated by the fire. Hundreds of homes gone. Ramona is out of water as their pumping station broke down. They are clear of fire at the moment. The big blazes now are on Mt. Palomar where the crews are fighting a desperate battle to save the 300 homes along the rim road
having already lost 100 homes at the mountains base.

Wow, lame... Jon Carry just made a cameo on local Boston news to cheer the Sox in the monotone that just makes my eyes want to roll up into my skull.

OK, I just designed the next universally recognizable symbol for the upcoming generation. Let's see if it gets the stamp of approval, gets "released," and sticks as a cultural concept. (Like the peace symbol.)

I think (judging from the telephone transcript) the little creep lied his butt off, he wants it all to go away (poor baby...freakin coward) and can't own up to being a "wannabe Hemmingway" (gimme a freakin break) because his wife is begging him not to recant (she is losing it to the point she emails her boss during the teleconference...hehehe) so she doesn't lose her entire career. He is a spineless wonder and they should have booted his lying azz right out of there a long time ago.

Absolutely devastating. These transcripts seal the entire deal--if it wasn't clear before now that Beauchamp was a liar, there is no way anyone can deny it now. He is sheepish about the damage he caused to other men serving in Iraq. He probably didn't care about that before, but now it has been brought home to him what he did, and he cannot forthrightly admit it.

Wow.

Unexplainable FireFox browser phenomena:
When I first left-clicked on those PDF's before Charles fixed them, I would get a "server not found" error.

Yet, if I instead right-clicked the PDF link and then selected "Open Link in new window", then the PDF would open OK.

It makes no sense to me, but that's exactly what was happening. I went back and forth among the 2 methods several times to verify what was happening. FireFox works in strange ways!

re: #98 Duke6855

groan.

He doesn't know a baseball from a tortilla.

TNR's Foer: Drudge's Documents Could Have Come Only From the Army

Franklin Foer, editor of The New Republic, said in an interview that the documents relating to Scott Thomas Beauchamp that Matt Drudge posted this afternoon--and removed several hours later without explanation--could have only come from the Army.

Mr. Foer said he called TNR's contact there, Major Kirk Luedeke, as soon as the documents appeared on Drudge's site. According to Mr. Foer, Major Luedeke told him that the Army was "investigating the source of the leak," though they did not explicitly take responsibility for it.

"It's maddening to see the Army selectively leak to the Drudge Report things that we've been trying to obtain from them through Freedom of Information Act requests," Mr. Foer said. "This fits a pattern in this case where the army has leaked a lot of stuff to right wing blogs."

/the Army fights back

re: #103 mama winger

re: #98 Duke6855

groan.

He doesn't know a baseball from a tortilla.

wha?....from the sunny valley of the rio grande

re: #37 storagemanager

"store" -

The way I look at this is that a nation is "sorta/kinda" like a club. Clubs get to decide who their members will be. Also, consider our biblical and common-law background. A person you INVITE into your house is called a "GUEST" and under appropriate circumstances may be adopted and become a part of your family. An UN-INVITED person is called - AT BEST - a TRESPASSER and at worst a BURGLAR. They might be a very nice person -
AND - they have NO LEGAL RIGHT to be where they are. On immigration, we should be guided accordingly. And, if in the future, the three great nations of North America merge and become the "Union of North America (UNA)" - remember that my thoughts are a "Restatement of the Law - OF MEXICO!"

-S-

re: #51 Le_Patriot

Exerpt from the 3rd PDF, Page 6, Paragraph h:

[. . . "I find that private Beauchamp takes small bits of truth and twists and exagerates them into fictional accounts that he puts forth as the whole truth" . . .]

Hey, what's news about that? . . . so do Media Matters, Harry Reid,
Nancy Pelosi, Moveon.org, KosKidz, et al, of the lying liberal
lunatic left.

/just sayin'

Mohammad the pedophile prophet and liar would be proud.

re: #100 kawfytawk

I think (judging from the telephone transcript) the little creep lied his butt off, he wants it all to go away (poor baby...freakin coward) and can't own up to being a "wannabe Hemmingway" (gimme a freakin break) because his wife is begging him not to recant (she is losing it to the point she emails her boss during the teleconference...hehehe) so she doesn't lose her entire career. He is a spineless wonder and they should have booted his lying azz right out of there a long time ago.

If they boot him out, someone else will have to replace him on permanent latrine cleaning detail. Who knows, the Army may make a man out of him.

what exactly is the "Dagger Brigade Flat Ass" rules?

Anyone?

Re: #108 David

Who knows, the Army may make a man out of him.

You need balls for the start of that, and he needs to quit hiding behind the skirts at TNR.

re: #109 kawfytawk

what exactly is the "Dagger Brigade Flat Ass" rules?

Anyone?

________________________
I think it's Hillary's campaign structure
: )

OT: Outrage as Israel refusing to perform free open heart surgery on Gaza Terrorists.

Israel pressuring ill Palestinians to be informers, activists say By Dion Nissenbaum, McClatchy Newspapers
Wed Oct 24, 4:21 PM ET

KHAN YOUNIS, Gaza Strip — Yasser Hiyya didn't know why he was always so weak and tired until this summer, when doctors discovered a small hole in his heart. Israel gave Hiyya permission to leave the Gaza Strip last month and cross Israeli territory for immediate surgery in the Palestinian-controlled West Bank .


But when he arrived at the Israeli border crossing, he learned that there was a catch. In a daylong interrogation, Hiyya said, Israeli intelligence offered him a deal: Tell us about your brother, a wanted militant, and we'll let you enter Israel for the operation you need.

When Hiyya refused, they turned him away.

Human rights groups charge that Hiyya's case is one of nearly a dozen they've documented in which Israelis allegedly have tried to recruit ailing Palestinians as informers in the low-intensity war with the militant Islamic group Hamas .
Since Hamas won control of Gaza in a mid-June military rout of its rival, the secular group Fatah , Israel has worked to isolate the coastal strip and its 1.5 million residents. About the only people allowed out of Gaza these days are Palestinians who need emergency medical care.

Now, the rights groups charge, Israel is trying to turn them into collaborators.

"To prey on the most vulnerable is not only unlawful, it's also despicable,"said Fred Abrahams , a researcher at Human Rights Watch who documented some of the Gaza cases. "It's a slow tightening of the noose, and people are dying."
Since June, at least five Palestinians have died after being denied permits to leave Gaza for emergency medical treatment, according to Physicians for Human Rights, an Israeli human-rights group that's working to help patients in Gaza .
Israel's General Security Service, better known as the Shabak, declined to discuss any of the cases or its strategy for collecting information, but it rejected allegations that it's refusing to let critically ill Palestinians out of Gaza for treatment unless they became informants.

"The GSS's policy regarding giving exit permits is not dependent on consent to become a collaborator," the service said in a prepared statement.

If and when Palestinians are turned away, the agency said, it's because Israel has concerns about their links to terrorists.

It's not clear how many people have been allowed out of Gaza .

On average, about 700 sick Palestinians have been given permission to leave Gaza each month since Hamas took control, according to the World Health Organization .

But fewer than 200 people were allowed out of Gaza during the last two weeks of September, when Hiyya was trying to leave, according to WHO figures compiled from Israeli reports.

Hiyya, 37, ran into problems because one of his younger brothers is a leading Fatah militant in Gaza whom Israel has tried to assassinate at least twice.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

re: #105 albusteve

John F'in Kerry.

Likes to pretend he is a sports fan from time to time, to boost his image as a dork.

Usually he ends up looking like a, well, dork.

re: #108 David IV of Georgia

I'm thinking he is actually enjoying latrine duty and may request an extention so he doesn't have to face wifey poo...ha

re: #102 Le_Patriot

L-P -

Adobe and Mozilla seem to be in a snit for the last 1-2 months. Do not know whose code or re-code started it. LIKE YO, MOZILLA - YOU GREAT LOVABLE LIZARD YOU - ALL Y'ALL WANT TO PROMOTE YOURSELF - GET THIS SILLY GLITCH FIXED. HATE GOING BACK TO "EXPLODER", EVEN WITH AN AVANT OVERLAY TO READ pdf's. That is enough - and is all.

-S-

John Kerry Sports Fan

re: #113 mama winger

re: #105 albusteve

John F'in Kerry.

Likes to pretend he is a sports fan from time to time, to boost his image as a dork.

Usually he ends up looking like a, well, dork.

the guys a bust...couldnt catch a tortilla if it hit 'im in the numbers!

re: #111 Le_Patriot

no, that would be Dagger Brigade Fat Ass rules

re: #110 MrAndMrsSmith

MaMS -

WAC's wear skirts - WAC's are better generally than Pvt. Beauchamp.
That is all.

-S-

re: #104 Killian Bundy

TNR's Foer: Drudge's Documents Could Have Come Only From the Army

Franklin Foer, editor of The New Republic, said in an interview that the documents relating to Scott Thomas Beauchamp that Matt Drudge posted this afternoon--and removed several hours later without explanation--could have only come from the Army.

Mr. Foer said he called TNR's contact there, Major Kirk Luedeke, as soon as the documents appeared on Drudge's site. According to Mr. Foer, Major Luedeke told him that the Army was "investigating the source of the leak," though they did not explicitly take responsibility for it.

"It's maddening to see the Army selectively leak to the Drudge Report things that we've been trying to obtain from them through Freedom of Information Act requests," Mr. Foer said. "This fits a pattern in this case where the army has leaked a lot of stuff to right wing blogs."

/the Army fights back

Well just call a WAHmbulance! Poor TNR. And I wouldn't call it a leak. Didn't Mommy ever teach those nice folks at TNR that you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar? What the heck did they expect? The United States Army to kiss their collective asses?

That FOIA can stay lost and making the rounds for a year or more - and I certainly hope that it does.

re: #115 Dr. Shalit

You may be right about that ... With each attempt, I also kept getting firewall caution alerts that Adobe was trying to access the internet.

Hillary announces "life-long" support for the REd sox,no the rockies,no the indians, no the other sox, the cat sox....

re: #118 kawfytawk

LOL

re: #117 albusteve

When he came to Wisconsin, he went to Green Bay and called it 'Lambert Field'.

I don't know if you realize how seriously Packer fans worship

Lambeau.

:)

re: #112 ted

Let them go to Egypt then!

re: #116 mama winger

John Kerry Sports Fan

mama -

"THUNK?"

-S-

re: #98 Duke6855

Can I get me one-a them Manny Ortez jerseys?

re: #122 big L

Hillary announces "life-long" support for the REd sox,no the rockies,no the indians, no the other sox, the cat sox....

Yesterday I checked out three books from the library on Hillary. Know your enemy and all that. I finished the first one, by Peggy Noonan, last night. I couldn't put it down.

Let me just say that I concur with Ms. Noonan's assessment that the Clintons are two disturbed people. As in DSM-IV.

HEY, SOLDIERS: QUIT WHINING!

But hey, soldier, you volunteered. If not for you, there wouldn't be a war in the first place.

"Supporting the troops means supporting their mission." That's been the mantra of the pro-war right. It's been hard for those of us who oppose the war to argue with them because so many of the troops have repeatedly allowed themselves to be used as propaganda shills for Bush Administration officials and the Republican Party in general.

It's bad enough that a majority of soldiers voted for Bush in 2004. Over and over since the war began, American troops have been seen on television applauding Bush, Rumsfeld, Rice and others whose cynical recklessness have sent their buddies to their graves. Sailors cheered wildly when Bush staged his notorious "Mission Accomplished" photo op on an aircraft carrier. They swooned when he joined them for Thanksgiving dinner in Baghdad.

/with love, from Ted Rall

re: #124 mama winger

re: #117 albusteve

When he came to Wisconsin, he went to Green Bay and called it 'Lambert Field'.

I don't know if you realize how seriously Packer fans worship

Lambeau.

:)

he was thinking 'flambeau' and just got confused...give him a break (arm, leg?)

re: #120 galloping granny

re: #104 Killian Bundy

TNR's Foer: Drudge's Documents Could Have Come Only From the Army

Franklin Foer, editor of The New Republic, said in an interview that the documents relating to Scott Thomas Beauchamp that Matt Drudge posted this afternoon--and removed several hours later without explanation--could have only come from the Army.

Mr. Foer said he called TNR's contact there, Major Kirk Luedeke, as soon as the documents appeared on Drudge's site. According to Mr. Foer, Major Luedeke told him that the Army was "investigating the source of the leak," though they did not explicitly take responsibility for it.

"It's maddening to see the Army selectively leak to the Drudge Report things that we've been trying to obtain from them through Freedom of Information Act requests," Mr. Foer said. "This fits a pattern in this case where the army has leaked a lot of stuff to right wing blogs."

/the Army fights back

Well just call a WAHmbulance! Poor TNR. And I wouldn't call it a leak. Didn't Mommy ever teach those nice folks at TNR that you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar? What the heck did they expect? The United States Army to kiss their collective asses?

That FOIA can stay lost and making the rounds for a year or more - and I certainly hope that it does.

What TNR is saying is untrue. The most likely source is Beauchamp himself. In the documents he states he can release the legal docs.

The cops who tased "Don't Tase me bro!" Meyers were cleared today.

re: #129 Killian Bundy

Any response I had would earn me a whack from Stinky and his stick.

re: #110 MrAndMrsSmith

Re: #108 David

Who knows, the Army may make a man out of him.

You need balls for the start of that, and he needs to quit hiding behind the skirts at TNR.

I have hopes that all the crazy people, for example the ones who want Bill Clinton's husband dog wife to be prez, would become sane and rational. Sometimes it takes a huge dose of stark reality with no narcotic liberal MSM spin to ease the shock. I think the Army is well able to dump a huge dose of reality on someone. Will it take in Scott's case? Time will tell. The reports make him look like he's a cowardly weasel though.

re: #120 galloping granny

That FOIA can stay lost and making the rounds for a year or more - and I certainly hope that it does.

________________________
Yesssss!
The FOIA is so misused by snoops and political hacks with ulterior motives. I've always wondered what good it really does.

re: #121 Le_Patriot

re: #115 Dr. Shalit

You may be right about that ... With each attempt, I also kept getting firewall caution alerts that Adobe was trying to access the internet.

L-P -

Know I'm right - If I pick up the WSJ tomorrow and read that MS has bought Adobe, I will be totally convinced!

-S-

I gotta go watch the Rocks beat the Socks.

on Focks.

bbl

re: #76 David IV of Georgia

Scot then replies by not saying much except that he won't confirm the truth or falsehood of his stories and that he does not want to talk to the media anymore.

You can bet he will when he gets out.

Telling beauchump his wife is begging him not to recant is one of the most pathetic, desperate attempts of manipulation I've seen in a while. I wish I could work up some outrage about this whole thing again, but instead I find myself feeling an ever deepening smug satisfaction as I watch these assholes squirm. :)

re: #136 Dr. Shalit

One of the final wars befor Armaghedon may be
Microsoft vs Google.

I get the distinct feeling (unintellgible) meant a good deal of swearing on the NR's side

re: #128 mama winger

mama -

I'm kinda like Warner Wolf on this one. Both home teams were eliminated, I will "follow" the (USA) World Series - AND - with nowhere the enthusiasm I would have if the Yanks or Mets were in it, (wagging his tail,
MELECH the wonder shepherd agrees).

-S-

okay I'll do it...something about a Strat and a chick...

TNR,

You pays your money, you takes your chances.

Great one Zombie: Shattered Ass

Hands down winner.

re: #139 eastvillageinfidel

Telling beauchump his wife is begging him not to recant is one of the most pathetic, desperate attempts of manipulation I've seen in a while. I wish I could work up some outrage about this whole thing again, but instead I find myself feeling an ever deepening smug satisfaction as I watch these assholes squirm. :)

Yeah, the "email from your wife" ploy ranked right up there as far as asshole manuevers go

re: #141 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I get the distinct feeling (unintellgible) meant a good deal of swearing on the NR's side

______________________
I (%#/*%##) got the same feeling.
: )

re: #120 galloping granny

TNR expects the Army and everyone else to realize and respect them for the geniuses they think they are. That the Army may care less for their hurt feeling probably doesn't register at TNR. The Army might be annoyed that they ran these horrible lies without bothering to do any fact checking and may want to settle a grudge.

Re: #134 David

My wife just finished reading through all three files (she's been at it since she got home around 1 PM --AZ Time-- this afternoon). She has come to three distinct conclusions.

First, Beauchamp is a coward for refusing to come out from the start, when his lies were exposed and debunked by milbloggers, and admit he embellished/lied about his "exploits.

Second, TNR has destroyed any shred of a reputation it might have still had. Not only in standing behind him, but also in urging him to not recant his story. Furthermore, they only hurt themselves by taking contention with the analysis about these documents, and alleging that people have the view of these documents wrong. (She points out to me that there are several things in the documents that TNR disputes, yet their own words unravel their arguments.)

Third, the Army stands by it's investigation of the allegations published by TNR, written by Beauchamp, and their release of these documents (not a LEAK, as TNR alleges) proves that they stand behind this story, while TNR continues to dispute it.

As I noted above (comment #58 above) K-lo was contacted by Jonathan Chait, and he says that TNR isn't disputing the reports, yet Foer has gone out and done just that. So, it's safe to assume that PRIVATELY they aren't arguing the transcripts and documents, but publicly they're still spinning.

Additionally, my wife (Marcie) says that this is strangely familiar; reminiscent of the post-Watergate fiasco where people involved just "wanted it to go away." Beauchamp says as much in the transcript. He just wants yto move on, and not comment on this, and TNR seems to want the same thing. (Well, everyone except Foer, who seems content to double-down for the 347th time since this scandal erupted.)

What strikes me is the brotherly love behind the Army's dealing with this soldier. Yes, it's tough love, but that's the Army way. He may yet, as another comment suggests, come out of this a better man.

It would appear from the text that he's coming to grips with the central fact of his life for the time being: he has a job to do, and the lives of the others in his unit depend on him doing it right.

So, let's not dump all over him. Whatever else he may be, and even if we're mad about this episode, he's still one of our soldiers.

TNR, boo-hiss.

re: #137 mama winger

I gotta go watch the Rocks beat the Socks.

on Focks.

bbl

Not on 'til later. Welcome back.

re: #151 Noam Sayin'

Scratch that.

FrogMarch (#68),

Foer comes off pretty slimy:

Foer: (Unintelligible) You owe it to us ah to just ah .... you owe it to us to basically kind of report on ourselves and be able to put out whatever next thing ... I think you ought to basically talk to us, and let us control the way this story proceeds. I think that's the least you could do for us. I think it would be further evidence, further sign to us that you're just sticking it to us if you went and talked to these other guys before we could put out anything further.

To say the least. This is the guy that kept telling us he wanted to get to the truth. In fact he was lying through his teeth when he said that since this coversation was from Sept. 7.

Re: #147 Le Patriot

Ya think there were some colorful, four-letter word metaphors exchanged? We concur.

"You little f*ck-stick! Do you realize how much f*cking Hell we've taken over you?

"But boss, I thought you wanted juicy, sordid details?"

"Yeah, but not lies, you ass-hat."

"Well, they worked for Dan Rather, until thiose meddling kid bloggers got involved."

I just did a quick read through of the first article, the interview with Beauchamp and the magazine editors. Unfortunately, I can not copy the text to this post.

The two things that jumped out at me is where Beauchamp said, and I paraphrase, that he does not care about the public. Second, right toward the end, the editors read a note from Beauchamps wife (and magazine employee) that is was important to her that Beauchamp not say that he recanted.

My guess, and it's just a guess, is that this guy made up some stories to please his moonbat wife, further her career and try to make one of his own, thinking he could stay anonymous. The magazine wanted it all to be true, so they did not do a whole lot of fact checking (afterall, it was only our soldiers who were being slandered. It's not like they were slandering anybody they really care about).

Then it all blew up in his face and now he is trying to walk away from the mess.

He does not sound like a deep thinker to me.

Re: #155 3 wood

He does not sound like a deep thinker to me.

No, but given his predilection for telling tall tales, he does know how to dig deep. Of course, so does TNR. Too bad the whole they've dug collectively seems to be caving in around them.

Shattered Ass sounds like something you get from drinking tap water in third world countries.

re: #140 Le_Patriot

re: #136 Dr. Shalit

One of the final wars befor Armaghedon may be
Microsoft vs Google.

Google only exists because people use it. No one is really tied to it. There are plenty of other search engines. Most of us though are tied to the bloated MS OS. Other brave souls use Mac OS or Unix like OS's. If Google does a major screw up just one time they will be in the trash heap among other dot coms. The same cannot be said of Microsoft.

Unix is free.
BEOS is now free (at least that's what I heard).

re: #157 pimp_conservative

Shattered Ass sounds like something you get from drinking tap water in third world countries.

For certain values of "third world countries" which include Washington DC.

I haven't been following this story all that closely. Can someone help me answer these two questions?

(1) What's the speculation regarding Beauchamp's motivation for lying? Was there some officer in his unit whom he didn't like, and wanted to get busted? Was he trying to help his wife get ahead in her job? Was he hoping to achieve some political purpose? Was he hoping to jump-start a writing career? Or was he just trying to make some easy money on the side?

(2) If the documents at the end of the last .pdf are genuine, why would Beauchamp's CO be so conciliatory, keeping him in the unit, and commending him on being an asset to the battalion, etc.? Is this some sort of political settlement? And, particularly for those of you with past or present military experience, what would it be like serving in combat with someone who had just done something like this to your unit? If the Army wants to keep Beauchamp on active duty without any disciplinary action, wouldn't it make sense to transfer him to a different unit, if only for his own safety?

re: #129 Killian Bundy

[Link: www.presidency.ucsb.edu...]

Bill Clinton stood on the deck of the USS Teddy Roosevelt in 1993. In a flight jacket.

There is at least one photo of the event. Published in the 1994 (9th edition) of American Defence Annual - Edited by Charles F. Herman Lexington Books/Mershon Center, The Ohio University.

If I could find an online version of that photo - I'd be spreading it as far and wide as I could...

OFTEN,
R

The New Republic just past the earth's core. Now headed for China.

re: #140 Le_Patriot

re: #136 Dr. Shalit

One of the final wars befor Armaghedon may be
Microsoft vs Google.

"L-P" -

I deal with and like both, on the basis of "Best of Breed" - When They Are - when they are not - I look outside. For instance - Live One Care - is AMONG "Best of Breed", is reasonably priced, and I have it. Windows Media Player is the digital VHS of the "naughties" an I have it - updated to version 11 (liked 10 better) on an XP (SP2 updated) machine. As for the "GOOG" - so far nothing beats Google Earth that I know of - got that and Picasa 2 too - the lazy man's Photoshop. I'll even go a step further, machine was loaded with "Works Suite" which I extended with "Open Office" more or less from Sun Microsystems. Remember always, we are mere men/women. We are almost never the best at ALL things. Always look, listen and learn - and - get the best that you can afford.

-S-

re: #160 JamesTKirk

re: #157 pimp_conservative

Shattered Ass sounds like something you get from drinking tap water in third world countries.

For certain values of "third world countries" which include Washington DC.

Or a description of the Fulsom Street Fair late night activities

The biggest loser in this whole mess is TNR.

TNR stood by a bad story and a bad author even after it was pretty clear that the whole business was lies. Had TNR printed a retraction or at least qualified their support by saying the stories were unproven and unchecked, they might have been able to keep some credibility. They just want so much for this pile of stories to be true, they can't let go.

OT and linkage: from Daily Kos, the same diarist as last time brings another anti-Israel diary. DKos as the platform for those obsessed with supporting the "Palestinians".

The Right-Wing Extremist in the Heart of the Left, by "thinkbridge". Only one excerpt, because of the request not to inject so much of the garbage from DKos into LGF:

It can't work when Palestinians are exclusively called "terrorists". When Israelis are given a carte blanche to do whatever they want with the "terrorists". Because "terrorists" are never human beings. Note the label "enemy combatants". The purpose of this label is to dehumanize the labelees. It makes them non-human. They're not "one of us" in any shape or form, and so we can do anything to them. Torture can be redefined. In the same way, calling Hamas or Palestinians in general "terrorists" precludes having to think about their side of issues. They are, in that case, not really people at all, but an "enemy" to be "combatted". And in the world of "combat", anything goes.

We'll see our way to fixing this issue as soon as you Leftists stop seeing every Israeli Jewish man, woman and child as a "colonialist settler stealing land from the indigenous", therefore deserving of being killed (God forbid) as "resistance", rather than as human beings.

"Things you see from here, you don't see from there"--a common Israeli phrase.

OK, lizards, this day has been one of the most interesting on LGF ever. But now the soft pillow beckons, and soon the sound of snoring will fill the air, creating a wonderful symphony. Zzzzz...

Anybody heard from doriangrey lately?

I'll be your Marxist, a communist, a pacifist, an anarchist, a democrat, red, white, green or blue. Whatever I can do ...

Strange Rudy quote of the day:

"I took a city that was known for pornography and licked it to a large extent, so I have my own set of qualifications."

nydailynews
Strange qualification, but I'm gonna take his word for it...

SCOTT BEACHAMP! LIVE! On "Phenomenon!" Reality TV Show 8/7 central tonight.

Vote for this Phenomenon as he performs his mind bending tricks.
He can write anything he wants, no matter how extremely fictional and absurd, and with his powers any left-leaning individual that reads what he writes will instantly believe it and defend it for 6 weeks.

Anyone seen Savage lately?

re: #162 Render

Bill Clinton stood on the deck of the USS Teddy Roosevelt in 1993. In a flight jacket. There is at least one photo of the event. ... If I could find an online version of that photo - I'd be spreading it as far and wide as I could...

Would that be this picture, taken by Neal Boortz (and found here)?

re: #174 song_and_dance_man

He's not talking anymore because it will prove he's a liar.

He's already proven that.

Notice that he never once disputed anything that was in those documents. All he said was that he "wanted it to all go away."

That's a de facto admission of guilt.

re: #174 song_and_dance_man

He's not talking anymore because it will prove he's a liar.

Thats already moot really at this point. What scares TNR shitless at this point is anything he says will prove they've been lying.

re: #161 Last Mohican

Was he trying to help his wife get ahead in her job?

That's my take.

re: #150 lostlakehiker

I agree.
Sounds like his chain of command is willing to let him sweat his way back into grace, and to teach him better than he learned up to now. Lots of people do stupid things that reveal how callow they are when they are young. Too many just move on and learn from it, or not, but either way they leave the wounds and mess they made behind. The Army is keeping him with the folks he hurt, and giving him a real chance to learn how to care for and respect his fellow soldiers. I hope he takes it. That would be the best revenge on TNR- to turn their dupe into a first rate NCO.

re: #180 3 wood

re: #161 Last Mohican

Was he trying to help his wife get ahead in her job?

That's my take.

That and turn himself into "the next Hemmingway," in his own words.

re: #173 ec marm

Strange Rudy quote of the day: Blind Should Be Able to Carry Guns

re: #183 Killgore Trout

re: #173 ec marm

Strange Rudy quote of the day: Blind Should Be Able to Carry Guns

Well, why not? They need to defend themselves if someone tries to rob them while they're using those drive-through braille ATMs.

re: #158 Piglet-U93

"Piglet" -

Hate to sound "elite" - AND - as a lizard I use the GOOG - with my BS filter turned up to "tilt" on political stuff. On non-political stuff they are quite good. If/when they get the political stuff neutral, they just might own the information world. Of course - THAT IS TOO MUCH TO EXPECT -
which is WHY they will NOT own the world. It is their MORTAL FLAW. VDH would appreciate it as being a 21st Century GREEK TRAGEDY!

-S-

re: #177 JamesTKirk
I don't know if the photo was taken by Boortz or just found via Boortz, actually.

re: #183 Killgore Trout

re: #173 ec marm

Strange Rudy quote of the day: Blind Should Be Able to Carry Guns

Shotguns work best aiming is not as critical. Point and click interface.

re: #183 Killgore Trout
Most bizarre Rudy bash of the day:

Choosing the best presidential candidate among the 2008 contenders is a tough job. Picking the worst is easy. Rudy Giuliani is the guy you'd get if you put George Bush and Dick Cheney into a wine press and squeezed out their pure combined essence: unbounded arrogance and self-righteousness, a chip on his shoulder the size of a redwood, a studied contempt for anybody's opinion but his own, a vindictive streak a mile wide, and a devotion to secrecy and executive power unmatched in presidential history. He is a disaster waiting to happen.

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Last Mohican (#161),

He's an admitted lefty who pretty much said he wanted to gain credibility for his anti-war writing by being in the Army.

It seems TNR never learned a basic life-lesson; when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging!

The entire MSM is in the same hole as TNR... they've all abandoned any pretext of objectivity to sell their left-of-center agenda. Too bad that agenda is a failed one; leaving them nothing to sell but lies, half-truths, and wishful thinking.

If the MSM can't get a democrat elected in '08 they will be in serious trouble. A republican victory would force them to continue on their present course, but by 2012, even the densest among us won't believe a word they say anymore... and they can't absorb much more erosion in readership.

re: #184 JamesTKirk

Yup, it's still within their constitutional rights, I just never though it was an issue.

re: #168 doubleplusundead

Anybody heard from doriangrey lately?

This was his last post --at about 11:30 this morning, Pacific time.....

re: #177 JamesTKirk

re: #162 Render

Bill Clinton stood on the deck of the USS Teddy Roosevelt in 1993. In a flight jacket. There is at least one photo of the event. ... If I could find an online version of that photo - I'd be spreading it as far and wide as I could...

Would that be this picture, taken by Neal Boortz (and found here)?

Clinton got a ship named after him:
[Link: bluestarchronicles.com...]

re: #93 Le_Patriot

re: #80 Dave659

It's interesting that in the transcript Executive Editor Scoblic talks about Foer having his name reputation trashed. The major media haven't touched this story. These liberals have no idea how easy they have it compared with what a conservative media outlet would endure if it had perpetrated a similar hoax. They like to dismiss Fox News as "Faux News," but it's always their side with the faux news.

________________________
Like the elder apes in "Planet of the Apes" where they referred to the "forbidden zone" to keep every one away from discovering the truth (where Charlton Heston eventually found the Statue of Liberty head) . . . . so also the libs constantly do continual references to Fox News as
"faux news"
"nothing to see here, folks"
"it's a Republican propaganda machine"

(Say it often enough, and people will believe it)

I watch all the major news outlets, just to see who is spinning what, and I can see that Fox News is more fair and balanced than any of the rest.

/Not to mention that Fox has the most attractive women vs any other news channel . . . but I digress : )

Actually, I suspect its as much them deluding themselves as it is some of them trying to delude others. There is that Bible verse about people having "itching ears," where they gather around themselves "experts" and advisers who tell them what they WANT to hear... but, somewhere along the line, the cold, hard truth kicks them in the teeth. Or God pours out His judgment on them. Or both.

And some of them, even when the cold, hard truth kicks their teeth out, and God pours out His judgment on them, they still deny the truth to themselves and stubbornly cling tightly to the lie that they've built up around themselves.

re: #193 Texas Joel

re: #177 JamesTKirk

re: #162 Render

Bill Clinton stood on the deck of the USS Teddy Roosevelt in 1993. In a flight jacket. There is at least one photo of the event. ... If I could find an online version of that photo - I'd be spreading it as far and wide as I could...

Would that be this picture, taken by Neal Boortz (and found here)?

Clinton got a ship named after him:
[Link: bluestarchronicles.com...]

Does it leave seamen behind in every port?

re: #188 ec marm
I was just reading up on this one.....
Giuliani Defends, Employs Priest Accused of Molesting Teens

I haven't been following the particulars of the case but I think Rudy should probably ditch this guy from what I can figure out.

re: #188 ec marm

unbounded arrogance and self-righteousness, a chip on his shoulder the size of a redwood, a studied contempt for anybody's opinion but his own, a vindictive streak a mile wide, and a devotion to secrecy and executive power unmatched in presidential history.

Funny...that sure sounds like a description that would fit either of the Clintons to a T.

re: #183 Killgore Trout

re: #173 ec marm

Strange Rudy quote of the day: Blind Should Be Able to Carry Guns

Just as an exercise...what other rights and possessions should we remove from a person with a disability?

The blind former cop...should his gun(s) be confiscated? His car? His baseball bat? What about his magazines and books? What if he were "legally blind"? What level of vision impairment justifies the removal of a Constitutionally-guaranteed right? What other rights are conditional based on one's physical health?

If and when "gun crime" by the blind becomes a burning issue, I'll reconsider.

re: #182 lobo91

re: #180 3 wood

re: #161 Last Mohican

Was he trying to help his wife get ahead in her job?

That's my take.

That and turn himself into "the next Hemmingway," in his own words.

Ah, I hadn't heard that quote. It's making more sense to me now.

I must say, with respect to my question #2, the gentle tap on the wrists that the Army is giving him makes me wonder if there may have been some embarassing truths sprinkled among the lies somewhere (unlikely as that now seems, in light of recent developments). Either that, or the Army is afraid that attracting more attention to Beauchamp's stories would be bad PR for them, even if they're all 100% lies. For whatever reason, it looks like both Beauchamp and the Army feel like they can't come out of any further public discussion looking good.

In any case, I'm thinking that, if I were in Beauchamp's unit, I wouldn't be especially psyched about sharing a foxhole with him, or an APC, or whatever.

Big sigh. He is just going to clam up until he is out of the Army. Then he will claim all his stories were true and he was strong-armed by the Army. The milbloggers will go nuts, Charles will prove through geometric logic that he is lying and his fellow soldiers from his unit will insist it is all crap.

The media will pick the story up and - at best - will report it as if there is some controversy as to whether or not his stories are true. The Kossaks will claim vindication and most people who notice, will wonder what the truth really is.

Depressing but true.

re: #196 Killgore Trout
Not very politically astute to keep that guy around. He should be dropped like a hot potato.

re: #179 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thats already moot really at this point. What scares TNR shitless at this point is anything he says will prove they've been lying.

They can not back up a word he said or they published.

Now, if they had an ounce of integrity, they would publish a full retraction and apology, and start firing some people.

Anybody think they will do that?

Me neither.

I figure we will get a half baked retraction, blaming Bush and the military for Beauchamp being in that position (even though he volunteered).

I'd like to make this little note here. I just ventured over to the belly of the beast (The Kos-Kiddies sandbox) and I noticed that they are notably mum on this even though a couple diarists jumped to Beauchamp's defense when this story broke.

Strange, is it not? Are they, like TNR, embarrassed to be proven wrong, yet again? One would think the moonbats would shut up after being proven wrong, time and again. And on this particular issue, they seem to have learned their lesson. Of course, the day isn't done yet, and the moonbats are slow. They may actually deal with tomorrow, but in their typically inept, incompetant, and iniquitous ways. :-)

Folks...howdy...just got off work...what's the poop I hear about and arsonsist being apprehended and one being shot while fleeing? That true? Sorry it's not PC (I actually don't give a rat's ass because the L3 haters love to quote me out of context anyway!) but what are their ethnicity? I mean iIm just trying to be sensitive...I wouldn't want anyone's beard to catch fire and all....

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When your world view can not survive unless a majority of the population of the nation says YES to more funding of your welfare programs then well just about anything is what you'll do...

The Conservative Ideology is the only Ideology that can exist outside of the political world. It needs nothing from anyone to exist. Liberalism is the opposite. It simply ceases to exist without the society giving it strength and attention. Thus, just about anyone willing to promote it is treated with the benefit of the doubt from TNR journalists whose agenda (itself) can't survive on its own.

re: #192 Ma Sands

Maybe they cut the power? I emailed him, dunno if he got it. I found an old comment he left and checked the email...I'm normally opposed to doing that, but I felt bending my own rules was okay this time.

re: #176 stuck in california

Anyone seen Savage lately?

A search seems to say he's not posted since Sunday evening....

re: #195 JamesTKirk

Oooh, low blow. Oooh, oooh wrong choice of words, but LOL anyways.

re: #206 doubleplusundead

Dunno......he did say, a couple of days ago, that he'd keep posting until it was impossible.....

re: #181 Texas Joel

re: #150 lostlakehiker

I agree.
Sounds like his chain of command is willing to let him sweat his way back into grace, and to teach him better than he learned up to now. Lots of people do stupid things that reveal how callow they are when they are young. Too many just move on and learn from it, or not, but either way they leave the wounds and mess they made behind. The Army is keeping him with the folks he hurt, and giving him a real chance to learn how to care for and respect his fellow soldiers. I hope he takes it. That would be the best revenge on TNR- to turn their dupe into a first rate NCO.

I think that they are giving him some sort of non- court marshal way out of his mess, so long as he does not tell any more lies or substantiate the ones he has already spread. So, unless he wishes to face a court marshal, he can't back his stories. Some liberal idiots and college students actually metamorphasise out of their embryonic stage and become adults.

re: #203 MrAndMrsSmith

I just ventured over to the belly of the beast (The Kos-Kiddies sandbox) and I noticed that they are notably mum on this even though a couple diarists jumped to Beauchamp's defense when this story broke.

They just ignore stuff that does not fit into their fantasy world.

re: #199 Last Mohican

I must say, with respect to my question #2, the gentle tap on the wrists that the Army is giving him makes me wonder if there may have been some embarassing truths sprinkled among the lies somewhere (unlikely as that now seems, in light of recent developments).

I don't think I'd call what's happened to him a "gentle tap on the wrists."

He's one of the few people I've ever seen who managed to attain a lower rank (by two grades) than what he entered with.

He enlisted as a PFC (E-3), because he had completed two years of college. He's since been busted twice by Article 15s, first to E-2, then to E-1.

I just read through the 1st document and already I know:

1. Beauchamp admitted he lied
2. Foer understoood the full extent of Beauchamp's lie as of this conversation on July17
3. Foer continued to stand behind the discredited articles, even knowing they were lies.

So much for TNR's journalistic credibility.

And the pathetic little worm, Beauchamp, "just wants this to all go away". He is the very epitome of the immoral infantile narcississtic left.

Un-frickin' believable!

re: #185 Dr. Shalit

VDH would appreciate it as being a 21st Century GREEK TRAGEDY!

Actually, Doctor, VDH would recognize this as a GEEK TRAGEDY!

re: #212 lobo91

re: #199 Last Mohican

I must say, with respect to my question #2, the gentle tap on the wrists that the Army is giving him makes me wonder if there may have been some embarassing truths sprinkled among the lies somewhere (unlikely as that now seems, in light of recent developments).

I don't think I'd call what's happened to him a "gentle tap on the wrists."

He's one of the few people I've ever seen who managed to attain a lower rank (by two grades) than what he entered with.

He enlisted as a PFC (E-3), because he had completed two years of college. He's since been busted twice by Article 15s, first to E-2, then to E-1.

Believe me, compared to that lil' plot o land at Levenworth that he belongs at for this stunt, it is most definitely a slap on the wrist!

re: #212 lobo91

I've never been in the military, so I bow to our veterans here. But I have to guess that he is viewed as lower than pond scum by his fellow soldiers.

re: #216 3 wood

re: #212 lobo91

I've never been in the military, so I bow to our veterans here. But I have to guess that he is viewed as lower than pond scum by his fellow soldiers.

a combat zone can be a verrrry dangerous place for a Buddy Fuck!

Has anyone heard why Drudge took down the PDFs? Since his story is still up, I'm assuming he's standing by it. After reading the documents TNR needs to clean house. Totally disgusting on their part, but I can't say I'm too surprised by their actions.

re: #217 paxnhymn

a combat zone can be a verrrry dangerous place for a Buddy Fuck!

Gotcha. What a disgrace he is.

How long will it take for this goof to make $$$ on the moonbat shows when he gets out, turning on his fellow soldiers. I bet Law and Order has an episode on this on the drawing board already, only they will have the made up stuff be true. I can't stand that show any more.

I wonder how long it takes the moonbat wife to file for divorce, trying to save her gig?

re: #216 3 wood

re: #212 lobo91

I've never been in the military, so I bow to our veterans here. But I have to guess that he is viewed as lower than pond scum by his fellow soldiers.

I was an infantryman and, while I doubt he would get his ass kicked, he is definitely a lonely guy over there and that sucks hard.

re: #220 distwalker

I was an infantryman

Thank you for your service and my freedom.

A few translations:

Scoblic: You are not going to be able to write anymore after this, you know that, right?

(Translation: Nice little place ya gots here – be a shame if it burned down)

Foer: Ellie sent me an email to tell you that it’s the most important thing in the world for her that you say that you didn’t recant.

(Translation: Your wife hasn’t been fired yet, and if you just say these magic words...)

re: #207 Ma Sands

Hope he is OK....

re: #223 stuck in california

Can you send me an e-mail? :)

My opinion on why the Army would keep him is that he is less of a problem under their thumb than out in the world. I'm sure he was dealt with under an Article 15 proceeding (Non-judicial punishment), although not sure of the exact charge they would have other than under article 92 which is a catch all for not following a general or command order.

As for why he wasn't transfered to another unit, I can't explain this one. In most cases when something like this happens, a transfer would be the rule. I'm sure his duties will be limited to administrative or what most would call shit duty. There's always shit details needing to be done! I really doubt there is much interaction with him from those he tried to do in, but stranger things have happened. As for his becoming an NCO, that one would surprise me the most. He will have a lot of work to do to ever be accepted back as a true member of the unit. Something I don't think he has the ability to accomplish!

Respect is earned not given!
Integrity is something you have, not learned!

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re: #188 ec marm

ec-marm -

Yeah! But could the poster get rid of "squeegee guys?" I think NOT! AND I am for Romney!

-S-

re: #220 distwalker

re: #216 3 wood

re: #212 lobo91

I've never been in the military, so I bow to our veterans here. But I have to guess that he is viewed as lower than pond scum by his fellow soldiers.

I was an infantryman and, while I doubt he would get his ass kicked, he is definitely a lonely guy over there and that sucks hard.

Roger that.

re: #177 JamesTKirk

That's not the picture I have, but it is from the exact same event.

Blowjob Billy was loudly heckled by the ships crew when he made that speech.

DESERVEDLY
SO,
R

re: #214 Carridine

re: #185 Dr. Shalit

VDH would appreciate it as being a 21st Century GREEK TRAGEDY!

Actually, Doctor, VDH would recognize this as a GEEK TRAGEDY!

Carridine -

OK - all y'all GOT me on that one!

-S-

re: #63 cookielady
My apologies, I had a small emergency to deal with and ended up AFK. I would love the recipe. If the offer still stands, please email me. Thanks very much.

#104

Foer is a lying sack.

He's trying to change the topic and turn this personally humiliating evidence into a debate about who leaked the documents. But even that doesn't make sense. Foer SAYS he wanted these released and even claims to have filed a FOIA request on them. OK, now he's got exactly what he wanted. The documents are released. So why is he complaining?

Who leaked them here is just a sidestory. The real story is their contents, which effectively disintegrate TNR's already weak coverup of this mess, and are personally embarassing to Foer and to TNR.

Forgeries are basically out of the question. If these documents were forgeries, Foer wouldn't be complaining that they were "leaked" would he? The fact that he's yelling about "leakage" only proves that he believes them to be genuine.

As to the source of these documents, again, there are only three possibilities: Beauchamp himself was the leaker (in which case, actually this isn't a leak, but a deliberate release of information) someone in the Army did, or someone at TNR did.

As I posted in the other thread, my money is on someone from TNR leaking to "clean house", though you can't absolutely exclude the other two possibilities. I think the identity of the leaker will itself leak out eventually.

I suspect someone from TNR leaked the documents.

Drudge wussed out so they sent them to Charles hoping they'd be disseminated.

Regarding Foer's FOIA, what makes him think someone else didn't get theirs in first and his is still in processing? Just wondering...

re: #101 cobalt blue

Absolutely devastating.

I'm surprised we're not all piling on a lot more. It is DEVASTATING.

Scott states over and over that he's not going to say another word about his military experiences. He wants all this to go away and for life to resume as if his gross ineradicable public ethical lapse never happened.

TNR desperately begs him for documents supporting his story, and he stonewalls.

TNR throws in his wife -- what about her? Her friends are New York jouranlists! She's saying it's vital that you not recant!

TNR tells him he'll never be able to make a living writing (they overlook Hollywood). He says he doesn't care. He doesn't know what he wants to do with his life (farewell to the next Hemingway). He suddenly warms to his brother soldiers. (It's the only real thing going in his life and he's sorry as hell that he's irredeemably trashed it.)

In the end, Scott won't talk and won't cooperate by providing statements, faxes, or corroboration; TNR persuades him to cancel his interviews with the WaPo and Newsweek but can't get him to confirm or deny his stories; "Ellie" has become an object of gossip and scandal; and the army just . . . has this guy on its hands.

P.S. That marriage is over.

Charles,
You are most impressive.
This simple catch and copy from Drudge is what would be called, in the dinosaur media, a journalistic coup.
You have just vindicated the last six years of LGF in all respects.
Well done.

Beauchamp's wife leaked the documents... her shiny, new hubby failed his first big marriage test... he sold her out! Not for his writing career, but for an easier time in his remaining army days.

Just wild speculation for the fun of it.

Well, where are the results of TNR's internal investigation?

(I think they were last seen in a box with John Kerry's Navy records in the possession of Sandy Burger.)

Er, Berger.

re: #161 Last Mohican

I haven't been following this story all that closely. Can someone help me answer these two questions?

(1) What's the speculation regarding Beauchamp's motivation for lying? Was there some officer in his unit whom he didn't like, and wanted to get busted? Was he trying to help his wife get ahead in her job? Was he hoping to achieve some political purpose? Was he hoping to jump-start a writing career? Or was he just trying to make some easy money on the side?

(2) If the documents at the end of the last .pdf are genuine, why would Beauchamp's CO be so conciliatory, keeping him in the unit, and commending him on being an asset to the battalion, etc.? Is this some sort of political settlement? And, particularly for those of you with past or present military experience, what would it be like serving in combat with someone who had just done something like this to your unit? If the Army wants to keep Beauchamp on active duty without any disciplinary action, wouldn't it make sense to transfer him to a different unit, if only for his own safety?

I notice that too, but I believe that a good commanding officer tries to get the best out of his/her people by trying to motivate troubled soldiers to do their best when they screw up. This was not a disciplinary action as stated in the letter. It was an administrative action so heavy-handed discipline would have been uncalled for at this time.

I also thought that Beauchamp was unbelievably evasive in the phone call and didn't care at all that the TNR was being hung out to dry thanks to publishing his idiotic hit piece. He acted like a juvenile with the "I-just-want-it-to-go-away" mantra. He should have thought about that before he had a hit piece about the military published in a major publication.

I copied the following quote from the final report's conclusions:
" e. That Private Beauchamp desired to use his experiences to enhance his writing and provide legitimacy to his work possibly becoming the next Hemingway (Exhibits C-4 &D)."

This is a possible justification for writing "Shock Troops." I just don't see him becoming the next Hemingway!

I see the Army PDF has been taken off.....legal threat from the Army, or courtesy from Charles at their request?

re: #233 rsb1

Regarding Foer's FOIA, what makes him think someone else didn't get theirs in first and his is still in processing? Just wondering...

This is my guess too. I'd bet that these docs were either circulating to a select few bloggers in preparation for a blast on TNR, or were simultaneously released to several, and Drudge just managed to hit post first. Perhaps Drudge removed his post as he wasn't one who submitted a FOIR, and instead used docs he 'borrowed'.

/just a guess

Opps, never mind, its still there. But wasn't there 4 PDF's earlier?

re: #243 And Can It Be

I also thought that Beauchamp was unbelievably evasive in the phone call and didn't care at all that the TNR was being hung out to dry thanks to publishing his idiotic hit piece.

TNR deserves Beauchamp. They're both nothing but weasels. Beauchamp fed them a huge heaping of bullshit and TNR was so excited, they couldn't be bothered to do any serious factchecking.

Oh the irony of it-- TNR always harping about a quagmire, yet it appears it is they themselves up to their arses in a quagmire of fabulist proportions.

It is obvious to me, after reading all 3 documents, that these documents were not created on a typewriter, but rather created in a modern word processor.

Charles: queue the animation...

Not to be a cynic, but the time stamp of 17 JUL 2007 on the lower left of the docs and the essentially blank DD 1574 leave a lot to be desired.

I am wild-ass guessing that the Army did try to chapter 15 Beuboy, based upon the charges, the counteroffer was FU, the counter-counteroffer was, "OK, we'll let you carry buckets of shit until your tour is done [andif you suck ass we won't administartively extend your tour for further inquiry]."

Beuboy is happy to carry buckets of shit in the meantime, until he gets out,...

"...I think you ought to basically talk to us, AND LET US CONTROL the way this story proceeds"
Un freaking believable.

re: #251 simplysuperior

"...I think you ought to basically talk to us, AND LET US CONTROL the way this story proceeds"
Un freaking believable.

Totally believeable, unfortunately.

Curiously, at that point in time it was more likely Beauchamp that had TNR by the balls, rather than the other way around.

re: #171 song_and_dance_man

re: #99 zombie

OK, I just designed the next universally recognizable symbol for the upcoming generation. Let's see if it gets the stamp of approval, gets "released," and sticks as a cultural concept. (Like the peace symbol.)

When do we get to see it?

That's not up to me! I wish I knew. It has some competition, but I think it's far better than the others.

Wow. Schadenfreude overload.

Beauchamp should get the Gold Asshat of the year award.

Franklin Foer should get the Silver Asshat of the year award.

After reading all the documents I get the feeling Beauchamp might move beyond this to become a professional soldier. He knows his journalism career is over...

Statements like "help the guys to the left and right of me" (paraphrase) are the correct attitude, and maybe it's overly hopeful but he may perhaps actually feel this way...

And since we're doing so well over there maybe he's now a believer in the mission.