Denial stage

Fake but accurate!

Have they played the Rove card yet?

If you don't agree with me you're wrong!
/channeling progressives LIBERALS!

C'mon boys, take it like a man.

Oh, well see, there's your problem right there.

"The Missing Men at TNR"

Arrogance.

In a similar vein, TNR is concurrently joining forces with OJ to search for the Real Killers of Ron and Nicole.

TNR Lied! Truth Died!

"Are liberal journalists real men?"

Discuss.

For example: Michelle Malkin has more courage than most liberal male journalists. Discuss.

Y'all have heard by now, of course, about Air Amerika blaming Blackwater for the fires in Cullyforhnyuh.

Blame ANYBODY but the main stream media!

re: #3 Dead Sea Squirrel

Have they played the Rove card yet?

They are afraid of the mere mention of his name:

ROVE ROVE ROVE

BUSINESSMEN desperately scrambling to save their BUSINESS.

Bet O.J. finds the real killer first.

It should be obvious that they are going to claim that the stories are true, but the Army is silencing this guy through threats of prosecution and torture because it hurts the Army image.

It's their only hope.

TNR has endeavored with good faith to discover whether Beauchamp’s article contained inaccuracies and has repeatedly requested that the Army provide us with documentary evidence that it was fabricated or embellished

So... the Army has to prove that our article was false? Where is TNR's proof? They are admitting that the claims by Beauchamp were false, but the Army hasn't proved it to TNR's satisfaction.

Pathetic how that's completely a**-backwards.

It's nigh time for a education event for the advertisers who purchase ad space on/in the worthless rag known as TNR.

I can't imagine there being any paying entity out there, commercial or otherwise, that would want to be knowingly associated with a publication that has smeared the military and then willingly engaged in deception, foot-dragging and finger-pointing to try and deflect blame for what is clearly THEIR journalistic lapse in ethics.

...and has repeatedly requested that the Army provide us with documentary evidence that it was fabricated or embellished.

The New Journalism - prove us wrong.

re: #1 Le_Patriot

Denial stage

They're stuck in denial and will never progress to the others stages of grief.

Nobody learns anything. It would have gone away if they'd just admitted they found him credible and had gotten fooled. They'd have been humiliated, but it would have gone away.

Of course, it never should have happened in the first place. I am not in the military (but am a brat/family member) and even I knew the stuff he was writing was impossible. Just absurd.

But again, nobody learns a thing. It's best to say 'sorry!' and cut your losses rather than try to juggle running water as they are doing.

Our investigation cover-up has taken far longer than we would like, but it is our obligation and promise to deliver a full account of our findings cover-up.

Fixed it.

What a bunch of morons... I would really like to see the Army fire back.

So now the accused have to prove that someone lied about them.
I'm shocked I tell ya',shocked.

s/o

Fake but true.

I wager they are waiting for Scott's term of service to be up, at which point he will recant his recantation and go on the talk show circuit, a leftist "whistleblower" cause celebre. It worked for John F'n Kerry.

Ummm, TNR Guys? You are liars, and you got caught. It's that simple. Own up to it and get on with your lives. It's not as if anyone is going to notice.

Quote:

"TNR has endeavored with good faith to discover whether Beauchamp’s article contained inaccuracies and has repeatedly requested that the Army provide us with documentary evidence that it was fabricated or embellished."

I seriously doubt TNR's editors and "Good Faith" have ever stood in the same room together.

TNR has endeavored with good faith to discover whether Beauchamp’s article contained inaccuracies and has repeatedly requested that the Army provide us with documentary evidence that it was fabricated or embellished.

Yep, field commanders file daily reports on atrocities not committed today. It's Called the Field Uniform Combined Killed Offical Fatality Form.

TNR said;
"We have worked hard to re-report this piece and will continue to do so. But this process has involved maddening delays compounded by bad faith on the part of at least some officials in the Army. Our investigation has taken far longer than we would like, but it is our obligation and promise to deliver a full account of our findings."

not sure if i want to laugh or puke. its pretty funny but i kinda feel nauseous

TNR is clever. It gets them out of doing any real investigation or any real work. Of course, it only fools the most-ardent cool-aid drinkers. They're toast (and not even the French kind).

Shock Troofers!

repeatedly requested that the Army provide us with documentary evidence that it was fabricated or embellished.

TNR you made the charge so the burden of proof is on you, not the army.

Notice: they’re demanding that the Army prove a negative—that the stories were fabricated—when it’s TNR’s responsibility to prove that they’re true.

The arogance is astounding. I guess they didn't go to Journalism school, or maybe did they and that's where they learn their tactics?

Interesting, but will they live?

ALGIERS (AFP) — Two Algerian television journalists charged with broadcasting blasphemous cartoons of the prophet Mohammed have been acquitted by a criminal court, a judicial official said Monday.

The state prosecutor had demanded a five year prison sentence for journalists Lotfi Chriet and Houria Khater and two years for the technicians involved in the broadcast by the two public television stations Canal Algeria and A3.

Canal Algeria had said in defence of the accused that a "technical error" had led to the ten-second transmission of the caricatures because the videotape had not been checked in advance.

The cartoons were first published in a conservative Danish newspaper in September 2005 and republished by various newspapers around the world, provoking anger within the Muslim community.

re: #1 Le_Patriot

Denial stage

Then anger, bargaining, acceptance, and then the magazine version of death? (Being purchased by Rupert Murdoch, maybe?)

re: #30 Black George Bush

repeatedly requested that the Army provide us with documentary evidence that it was fabricated or embellished.

TNR you made the charge so the burden of proof is on you, not the army.

Reminds one of the McCarthy hearings, does it not.

re: #30 Black George Bush

repeatedly requested that the Army provide us with documentary evidence that it was fabricated or embellished.

TNR you made the charge so the burden of proof is on you, not the army.

So typical of the left. Make a charge, they demand the accused disprove it.

TNR: "Our investigation has taken far longer than we would like, but it is our obligation and promise to deliver a full account of our findings."

That is Sooo Janet Reno!
In other wonderings, has John effin Kerry released his military records yet? ... and has Sandy Burglar taken the lie detector test yet, that he said he would take?
hmmm?

re: #31 Ziggy

You're guilty until proven innocent.

Army to TNR: Foxtrot Uniform.

re: #10 v the k

Y'all have heard by now, of course, about Air Amerika blaming Blackwater for the fires in Cullyforhnyuh.

The irony of Blackwater attacking Camp Pendleton has not occurred to these people.

re: #12 DistantThunder

re: #3 Dead Sea Squirrel

Have they played the Rove card yet?

They are afraid of the mere mention of his name:

ROVE ROVE ROVE

It's amazing how much MORE that guy Rove is accomplishing since he went underground with the fake "retirement" thing.

Califires, Beauchump... what else?

TNR = Truth Never Resonates = Truth Nor Reality

TNR = Cake
Therefore:

Cake is a lie.
Cake is a lie.
Cake is a lie.
Cake is a lie.
Cake is a lie.
Cake is a lie.

//channeling Portal.

'nuff said TNR will never admit they were wrong or fooled. So to them keep digging, maybe you'll strike oil!

In this piece TNR doesn't discount the contents of the phone call between Scobic, Foer and Beauchamp; quite the opposite, it admits that the conversation was recorded.

Yet this phone call directly contradicts Foer's written claim that the Army muzzled Beauchamp. It also shows that TNR specifically muzzled Beauchamp by explicitly asking him to cancel interviews with other media outlets.

It also shows that the editors themselves didn't have faith in his stories; they explicitly questioned their veracity in the phone conversation.

They' still pretend to hold out hope that these stories are true, even though Beauchamp himself refuses to confirm them, has even recanted them under oath, and even though in the phone conversation they claim was recorded, the TNR editors themselves question the veracity of the stories?

They're still digging. . .

re: #24 Thanos

Fake but true.

I wager they are waiting for Scott's term of service to be up, at which point he will recant his recantation and go on the talk show circuit, a leftist "whistleblower" cause celebre. It worked for John F'n Kerry.

That's exactly their plan...and his.

TNR has endeavored with good faith to discover whether Beauchamp’s article contained inaccuracies and has repeatedly requested that the Army provide us with documentary evidence that it was fabricated or embellished

Um, how about the fact that the author of the article admitted that it was fabricated and embellished?

re: #33 Thanos

No, but they will probably be given the opportunity to meditate on their sins and redeem themselves by becoming homocide bombers.

re: #38 Eowyn2

re: #31 Ziggy

You're guilty until proven innocent.

Leftist play book.

Make a charge.
Demand the charged prove innocence.
Meanwhile.
It's the seriousness of the charges that matter.

They're standing up to their God-given right to their own set of facts.

I think we should begin to separate TNR's malfeasance from Scott Beauchamp. To do what he did took an arrogant punk; according to Michael Yon, [Link: michaelyon-online.com...]
the Army gave him another chance, he seems to be making the most of it and may come out of the whole thing a better man. Let's hope so, and pray for him and his unit to come out of it OK.

re: #44 Rogue198

re: #24 Thanos

Fake but true.

I wager they are waiting for Scott's term of service to be up, at which point he will recant his recantation and go on the talk show circuit, a leftist "whistleblower" cause celebre. It worked for John F'n Kerry.

That's exactly their plan...and his.

The Male version of Valerie Plame?

re: #41 Izzy Dunne

re: #12 DistantThunder

re: #3 Dead Sea Squirrel

Have they played the Rove card yet?

They are afraid of the mere mention of his name:ROVE ROVE ROVE

It's amazing how much MORE that guy Rove is accomplishing since he went underground with the fake "retirement" thing.

Califires, Beauchump... what else?

Oh, yeah, the Randy Roadrash mugging.

Also TNR says that they have evidence corroborating Beauchamp's stories:

our earlier reporting had uncovered significant evidence corroborating Beauchamp’s accounts—

But they still haven't shared that evidence. Where is it?
Who corroborated the story?
If the corroboration is legitimate, what do they have to fear?

Postmodernists believe that truth is myth, and myth, truth. This equation has its roots in pop psychology. The same people also believe that emotions are a form of reality. There used to be another name for this state of mind. It used to be called psychosis. ~ Brad Holland

re: #46 David Simon

TNR has endeavored with good faith to discover whether Beauchamp’s article contained inaccuracies and has repeatedly requested that the Army provide us with documentary evidence that it was fabricated or embellished

Um, how about the fact that the author of the article admitted that it was fabricated and embellished?

___
Maybe it will come out in a Beauchamp book that he was tased by the Army (bro), and made to give false admission of fabrication.
/s

re: #48 jcm

Rather reminiscent of the old "witches will live through the burning stake" routine.

Sounds like they think the "Army" has a secret, Halibushemite conspiracy plot against them.
Ooooh!

re: #50 Ontheleftcoast

I think we should begin to separate TNR's malfeasance from Scott Beauchamp. To do what he did took an arrogant punk; according to Michael Yon, [Link: michaelyon-online.com...]
the Army gave him another chance, he seems to be making the most of it and may come out of the whole thing a better man. Let's hope so, and pray for him and his unit to come out of it OK.

I think you're exactly right. He was an ignorant young punk, and he did an ignorant young punkish thing.

TNR ought to know better, though.

Ignorance is curable, stupidity is not.

Charles, isn't TNR really demanding, in typical j'accuse fashion per MSM Napoleonic Code (guilty until proven innocent), that the Army disprove a positive or posited, pre-determined conclusion that Beauchamp's stories are true?

Maybe it's just symantics on my part.

re: #41 Izzy Dunne

re: #12 DistantThunder

re: #3 Dead Sea Squirrel

Have they played the Rove card yet?

They are afraid of the mere mention of his name:
ROVE ROVE ROVE

It's amazing how much MORE that guy Rove is accomplishing since he went underground with the fake "retirement" thing.

Califires, Beauchump... what else?

Randi Rhoades.

and yet the documents released by the army and linked elsewhere DO prove that they were wrong...from Beauchamp himself.

Head in the sand.

re: #50 Ontheleftcoast

I think we should begin to separate TNR's malfeasance from Scott Beauchamp. To do what he did took an arrogant punk; according to Michael Yon, [Link: michaelyon-online.com...]
the Army gave him another chance, he seems to be making the most of it and may come out of the whole thing a better man. Let's hope so, and pray for him and his unit to come out of it OK.

Maybe that is why TNR wont talk. Maybe Beauchamp wont talk to them. Maybe he has already told them fuman;

I do hope he returns, with the rest of his unit, very safely.

re: #52 Izzy Dunne

GMTA.

re: #52 Izzy Dunne

re: #41 Izzy Dunne

re: #12 DistantThunder

re: #3 Dead Sea Squirrel

Have they played the Rove card yet?

They are afraid of the mere mention of his name:ROVE ROVE ROVE

It's amazing how much MORE that guy Rove is accomplishing since he went underground with the fake "retirement" thing.Califires, Beauchump... what else?

Oh, yeah, the Randy Roadrash mugging.

&#9835 Rove if you want to,
Rove around the world...

TNR knows the US troops are blood thirsty, raving, madmen. The story is true, they just need to find a source to back them up. Beauchamp was their man, until he got called for BS. Now they are dragging there feet until they can produce corroborating evidence.

Prediction:
Next play by TNR, have another individual claim eyewitness accounts of atrocities. The TNR will say the specifics of the Beauchamp story are not verifiable, but we have this story collaborating a pattern of atrocities.

TNR, I hear John F'n Kerry is looking for a job, he'll trash the troops for ya'.

Speaking of Valerie Plame, that lying bee-otch has been making the rounds, trying to whore out her book, no doubt ghost written, and still claiming her "outing" was done by a vengeful White House, even though it was State Department Iraq war opponent Richard Armitage who leaked the info to Novak.

Added bonus points, Armitage let the White House take the blame for the leak, and then when he finally told embittered closet homosexual Patrick Fitzgerald he was the leaker, Fitzgerald didn't care, and continued questioning White House staff until he got Scooty Libby to make an inconsistent statement.

I thought they fired Stephen Glass.

Apparently bald-faced lies are another form of satire. Who knew?

It is obviously up to the Army to open up its private personnel files and reports to any so-called journalistic outfit in order to disprove whatever wild claims may be thrown at it. Simply being a journalist (particularly if self-designated) means you are automatically 100% accurate unless disproven.

cough.

They've taken the traditional defense that kooks use: Prove that UFO's don't exist, prove that telepathy, remote viewing, paraphyscology, whatever doesn't exist...

TNR: the TROOF is not out there.

Also, I posit that part of Beauchamp's second chance is playing TNR. Wouldn't that be sweet?

re: #65 Dead Sea Squirrel

Got that song in my head now. Thank you. Thank you very much.

But does this sort of thing discourage bright, ambitious, young journalists on the left from trying their way at TNR? In reality, I don't think these ongoing scandals hurt TNR at all. It's being defended by its lefty supporters as usual. Its highest-level staff considers its critics to be the problem. I just see the same gang of producers, consumers, and advertisers keeping the joke going forever.

re: #57 gman

Sounds like they think the "Army" has a secret, Halibushemite conspiracy plot against them.
Ooooh!

I have Halliburton software on my computer hear at work. The old Halliburton "little red book", in program form, with cement properties, pipe dimensions and capacities, volumes between different size pipes, the whole deal.

And, I worked for Halliburton in the New Iberia Logging & Perforating base in New Iberia for two years.

TNR evidently starts from the conclusion that it is possibly wrong, and then subsequently disproves that idea.

/

re: #67 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Speaking of Valerie Plame, that lying bee-otch has been making the rounds, trying to whore out her book, no doubt ghost written, and still claiming her "outing" was done by a vengeful White House, even though it was State Department Iraq war opponent Richard Armitage who leaked the info to Novak.

Added bonus points, Armitage let the White House take the blame for the leak, and then when he finally told embittered closet homosexual Patrick Fitzgerald he was the leaker, Fitzgerald didn't care, and continued questioning White House staff until he got Scooty Libby to make an inconsistent statement.

Valerie's song

No, no, see, it's the Army's fault TNR got hosed and is now twisting in the wind. Nothing to do with TNR. Nossir.

TNR train wreck:
Entertaining in a pathetic kinda way

The Army has never denied the existence of the intergalactic warlord of evil, Xenu.

Hence, he must exist, and John Travolta and Tom Cruise are in mortal danger from enraged body thetans.

re: #10 v the k

Well now that they know about Blackwater, it will feature prominently in conspiracy theories. 6 months ago, I bet 90% of Air America audience (and hosts) probably never heard of them, now that they are in the news, they magically see their influence everywhere. It's the flavor of the moment. If Blackwater hadn't been in the press, the latest conspiracy would be it was Halliburton starting the fires.

Notice: they’re demanding that the Army prove a negative—that the stories were fabricated—when it’s TNR’s responsibility to prove that they’re true.

Ye olde "Dan Rather" method of investigative reporting - state anythin you want to be true, then dare anyone to prove it isn't so.

Beauchamp said that he fabricated his stories. Does TNR think that he was water boarded?

I always thought it would be a cold day in hell when I began to Voltaire. Nonetheless, he certainly pegged this one:

As long as people believe in absurdities, they will continue to commit atrocities.

re: #84 opnion

Beauchamp said that he fabricated his stories. Does TNR think that he was water boarded?

Worse. The Army short-sheeted his bed and made sure he got a dribble cup every time in the mess hall.

re: #66 jcm

TNR knows the US troops are blood thirsty, raving, madmen. The story is true, they just need to find a source to back them up. Beauchamp was their man, until he got called for BS. Now they are dragging there feet until they can produce corroborating evidence.

Prediction:
Next play by TNR, have another individual claim eyewitness accounts of atrocities. The TNR will say the specifics of the Beauchamp story are not verifiable, but we have this story collaborating a pattern of atrocities.

TNR, I hear John F'n Kerry is looking for a job, he'll trash the troops for ya'.

Sorry, Kerry cant work on this one (they have probably already tried.) They need a younger, fresher face. A female will be best (women dont lie, don'cha know.) Preferably a non-white female (who has also been harrassed by the ssgt or msgt even though she is an LT) That is what they need. What they will get will be a phony soldier. They may even use a real soldier's name and then besmirch. Probably some female from the middle of Wyoming, Montana, ND etc where TNR thinks they aren't paying attention.

Michael Yon may have compelled me to give Beauchump a second chance, but TNR can forget about it. Phony "reporters" the lot of them.

re: #10 v the k

Y'all have heard by now, of course, about Air Amerika blaming Blackwater for the fires in Cullyforhnyuh.

Not surprising. The first major fire, the Harris fire, started in Potrero, where Blackwater is trying to set up a training facility that is being protested by a very vocal group of NIMBYs.

Potrero County Park, where Mrs. Hawk and I tied the knot, was less than a mile from ground zero on that one and managed to only get singed.

re: #16 Big Dan

TNR has endeavored with good faith to discover whether Beauchamp’s article contained inaccuracies and has repeatedly requested that the Army provide us with documentary evidence that it was fabricated or embellished

So... the Army has to prove that our article was false? Where is TNR's proof? They are admitting that the claims by Beauchamp were false, but the Army hasn't proved it to TNR's satisfaction.

Pathetic how that's completely a**-backwards.

That's the same line that Dan and Mary have been using for the past three years.

re: #63 buzzsawmonkey

No doubt, you are right. I am kind of laughing at myself because I am also quoting Voltaire today...(see above).

Charles,

You're also missing the point that TNR was a party to those phone conversations and all the while claimed that they were denied contact with Beauchamp. They're claiming this was all leaked by the military to discredit them.

Sorry, but TNR's editors discredited TNR by lying (and lying by omission) to their readers about what happened, what they investigated, and what they found.

They knew that Beauchamp was distancing himself from those stories. TNR: Silence

They knew that Beauchamp was free to talk to them, and the phone call proves it. TNR: Silence

They knew that Beauchamp's stories were at a minimum exaggerations, and lies at worst. TNR: Silence.

There's a pattern here - stonewalling.

They stonewalled at every opportunity, and now that TNR is facing a heaping pile of stinking evidence that shows just how badly they acted in all this, they're trying to pin this on the Army.

Figures. It's what Socky McSockpuppet was doing in Salon. It's what leftists have been trying to do all along. When all else fails, blame the Army for Shock Troops, even though the entire sordid affair started with a Kerryesque Hemmingway wannabe who got his stories published in a liberal magazine who felt the stories were too good to check and then when faced with the pile of lies, chose to ignore it and claim that it's the Army's fault.

I said it the other day, and I'll say it again. Foer needs to go.

So, they are taking the Dan Rather approach to journalism, "prove what I printed is wrong". Only here, their own writer will not back up his own story. And, if there is nothing to hide here, why did they apparently fire Elspeth Reeve, the writers wife/staff fact checker?

This is another example of why I loath the MSM.

re: #82 taxfreekiller

UFO's do exist, well if your vision is impaired by cataracts and old age and a few beers and some meath, and you fall on your ass and see stars and UFO's.

Speaking of that...

'Aliens testing weapons' caused Sicily fires

Aliens were responsible for a series of unexplained fires in fridges, TV’s and mobile phones in an Italian village, according to an Italian government report.

Canneto di Caronia, in northern Sicily, drew attention three years ago after residents reported everyday household objects bursting into flames.

TV news footage at the time showed electrical appliances as well as cookers, a pile of wedding presents and furniture smouldering.

Folks, help me out on this. Charles says TNR is demanding the Army "prove a negative."

Isn't TNR demanding the Army "disprove a (false) positive?"

Is this distinction merely symantics?

re: #67 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

that's a book I will skip. saw the add for it and almost puked.

Poor baby spy lady. NOT a Bond girl

re: #84 opnion

Beauchamp said that he fabricated his stories. Does TNR think that he was water boarded?

Yes, to a certain extent. In the transcripts the TNR editors mentioned the presence of Scott's CO and some possibility of coercion.

Plenty of lefties still believe he has a gun to his head, because after all they support and sympathize with the troops, and somehow that's still perfectly consistent with their theory that the Army (which somehow isn't the troops) is threatening poor Scott with harm or death.

As if it's the Army's responsibility to do TNR's job for them.

TNR = Losers.

.

re: #82 taxfreekiller

re: #95 NJDhockeyfan

skully took me to area 51

re: #83 reine.de.tout

Notice: they’re demanding that the Army prove a negative—that the stories were fabricated—when it’s TNR’s responsibility to prove that they’re true.

Ye olde "Dan Rather" method of investigative reporting - state anythin you want to be true, then dare anyone to prove it isn't so.

___
...And it came to pass that LGF and many other truthful blogs did arise out of cyberspace to reveal the sinful fraud and deception of abundant MSM lies. And Dan Rather was cast into the Lake of Liars to suffer humiliation with many former and present New York Times writers, forever and ever.

/ Might be a chapter in [Link: WWW...] 101, if anyone ever writes it.

re: #95 NJDhockeyfan

Surge Protectors on aisle 8

re: #5 DistantThunder

C'mon boys, take it like a man.

Oh, well see, there's your problem right there.

"The Missing Men at TNR on the Left"

Sorry, had to expand on that. There are no real men on the left, they're all worthless wusses.

I am glad TNR put the link to the orginal article up, cause I sure couldnt find it via their site search. I am surprised there are zero comments on this original article though.

Shock Troops link here

Peggy Noon has a good article on this topic in today's Opinion Journal.

On the Thomas stories, which I read not when they came out but when they began to come under scrutiny, I had a similar thought, or a variation of it. I thought: That's not Iraq, that's a Vietnam War movie. That's not life as it's being lived on the ground right now, that's life as an editor absorbed it through media. That's the dark world of Kubrick and Coppola and Oliver Stone, of the great Vietnam movies of the '70s and '80s.

re: #100 buzzsawmonkey

This is what happens to me when I go to quoting from the dark side!

“Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive”

re: #66 jcm

TNR knows the US troops are blood thirsty, raving, madmen. The story is true, they just need to find a source to back them up[perhaps Lucy Ramirez is available?]. Beauchamp was their man, until he got called for BS. Now they are dragging there feet until they can produce corroborating evidence[a la Kinko's faxed 1971 documents typed in Microsoft Word].

Prediction:
Next play by TNR, have another individual claim eyewitness accounts of atrocities. The TNR will say the specifics of the Beauchamp story are not verifiable, but we have this story collaborating a pattern of atrocities[Rather: 1 + 1 = 3].

TNR, I hear John F'n Kerry is looking forDan Rather has found a job, he'll trash the troops for ya'.

Noonan: "...of the great Vietnam movies of the '70s and '80s."

I guess some of them were good. But nearly all of them made the American Man at Arms look like nut, or a pussy, or a sentimental blameless victim.

It took the Scott brothers to make a really good, and patriotic war movie. One that honors American GI's.

Blackhawk Down.

That was Mogadishu. And in that one, America retreated.

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#75 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

And, I worked for Halliburton in the New Iberia Logging & Perforating base in New Iberia for two years.

I am, at this moment, less than half a mile from a large Halliburton facility many miles East of New Iberia. Sometimes I get horrible headaches and have a compulsion to attack and occupy the gas station on the corner. Aluminum foil on all the windows seems to help.

Quote: The New Republic is deeply frustrated by the Army’s behavior." Unquote.

Welcome to the neighborhood. I'm deeply frustrated by YOUR behaviour.

re: #101 Eowyn2

skully took me to area 51

Ravishing redhead she !
David Duchovny do ya love me ?

I believe in UFOs, just not extraterrestrial vehicles.

Back on earth, TNR is the one with egg on its face, and the burden of proof lies with them to prove their outlandish story, not with their many detractors.

It bears repeating that they should have had the proof BEFORE they went to press, not after.

I can actually appreciate their position that they don't have all the available evidence in yet and therefore can't draw a "bottom line" at this point, but even without any further evidence, they still look terrible, and have been exposed covering up and lying. They shouldn't be pointing fingers of blame at others here, when this whole mess was their own creation.

Again, they say they have corroborating evidence, so why don't they present it?

phoney bloggers.

re: #50 Ontheleftcoast

Only if he recants in public. Till then he could just be waiting till he gets out of the Army to become a leftist media darling.

repeatedly requested that the Army provide us with documentary evidence that it was fabricated or embellished

IOW, guilty until proven innocent...typical behavior from leftist, socialist liars...

I love this part ...

"The next day, via his wife, we learned that Beauchamp did want to stand by his stories and wanted to communicate with us again. Two-and-a-half weeks later, Beauchamp telephoned Foer at home and, in an unmonitored conversation, told him that he continued to stand by every aspect of his story, except for the one inaccuracy he had previously admitted. He also told Foer that in the September 6 call he had spoken under duress, with the implicit threat that he would lose all the freedoms and privileges that his commanding officer had recently restored if he discussed the story with us."

Nice ethics TNR has.

"You can't prove I'm lying and I don't have to prove I'm telling the truth!"

Sounds like

"Tails I win, Heads you lose"

If you read the TNR piece on this you find this:

The next day, via his wife, we learned that Beauchamp did want to stand by his stories and wanted to communicate with us again. Two-and-a-half weeks later, Beauchamp telephoned Foer at home and, in an unmonitored conversation, told him that he continued to stand by every aspect of his story, except for the one inaccuracy he had previously admitted. He also told Foer that in the September 6 call he had spoken under duress, with the implicit threat that he would lose all the freedoms and privileges that his commanding officer had recently restored if he discussed the story with us.

Bullcrap. If the military is supposedly monitoring his every move, this could not happen.

There's more:

Faced with the fact that Beauchamp stood by his story and the fact that the Army investigation had serious gaps—as well as the fact that our earlier reporting had uncovered significant evidence corroborating Beauchamp’s accounts—The New Republic decided to continue its investigation.

Again, bullcrap. The one time he was onthe record, he refused to stand by his story.

It was as we were awaiting the documentary record of the Army’s investigation that the Army leaked several documents

They have no idea for sure who leaked these documents.

Lying scum.

Update that resume, Franklin baby.

Wal-Mart is hiring, I hear.

TNR seems to think that it is the Army's responsibility to interview each and every member of their company in order to do the job of the TNR, and that by not doing so, it somehow "proves" that the stories are not false.

As noted by others, it is exactly the Dan Rather Defense, trying to shift the burden of proof to others. They forget that it is their job to back up their stories and if they can't, they need to admit it.

What was it that Criswell said at the end of "Plan 9 From Outer Space": "Friends, can you prove that this didn't happen?"

Criswell has more integrity that TNR. They still can't explain their silence over the last month, or why they told Sgt. Dork not to speak with the WaPo or Newsweek.

Why doesn't Chait or Foer or some other TNR grandee go to Iraq himself to investigate this? Are they...scared?

Why hasn't the owner fired these idiots?

re: #50 Ontheleftcoast

I think we should begin to separate TNR's malfeasance from Scott Beauchamp. To do what he did took an arrogant punk; according to Michael Yon, [Link: michaelyon-online.com...]
the Army gave him another chance, he seems to be making the most of it and may come out of the whole thing a better man. Let's hope so, and pray for him and his unit to come out of it OK.

Having done 12 years in the USMC, I can relate to the situation that Beauchamp is in now. That poor dumb bastard is having to suck up to everyone in his unit and prove that he isn't the deadbeat asswipe that he made himself out to be. If the soldiers in his unit don't trust him, he and they are as good as dead in that part of the world. He is probably doing every crap job there is to regain most of their trust. Maybe he will be a better person for it in the end. Just have to wait and see until he gets out from the US Army's control.

Michael Yon met Beauchamp's CO and he says that the Punk deserves a second chance. He stayed with his unit when given the chance to leave. That means he is now on patrol in harm's way with his brothers--He is facing the results of his actions. He is a kid and seems to be growing up.
TNR, on the other hand, makes me angrier and angrier everytime it demonstrates what it thinks of the Publics' intelligence. Foer actually believes that everyone is so incredibly stupid that they believe his bullshit. What incredible arrogance. They should all be tarred and feathered. BTW didn't they FIRE Throbert? They are playing the insane Stalin Game.

"Stalin had a meeting with some Ukranian Party members. When they left, he noticed his glasses were missing. He alerted the NKVD and they questioned the Party members. Meanwhile, Stalin discovered he had simply misplaced his glasses. He called the NKVD; "I have found the glasses. You may release the Party members."
"Too late Comrade." the NKVD Chief replied, "They have all already confessed and been executed."

(Paraphrased from the popular anecdote)

Also note TNR's quite calculated spin in this. They are selectively highlighting one (positive) quote from a several page transcript of the phone call with Beauchamp. . .

As Scoblic said during the September 6 conversation: “[A]ll we want out of this, and the only way that it is going to end, is if we have the truth. And if it’s—if it’s certain parts of the story are bullshit, then we’ll end that way. If it’s proven to be true, it will end that way. But it’s only going to end with the truth.” The September 6 exchange was extremely frustrating; however, it was frustrating precisely because it did not add any new information to our investigation.

They know that most readers aren't going to go searching for this document, or read it, so they've taken perhaps the only redeeming quote out of it to give to their readers.

They have deliberately left out all the damning bits about asking TNR not to go to the press, telling him that he has no future in journalism, giving a questionable appeal from his wife, etc.

More important, its only NOW after this conversation was leaked that TNR even sees fit to admit it happened at all! Prior to the leak TNR claimed in print that the Army had muzzled Beuchamp and wouldn't let him speak to them.

They blamed the Army for stonewalling, when it was TNR and Beauchamp who were stonewalling.

If they wanted to get to the "Truth" why didn't they say they had spoken to Beauchamp and that he had refused to vouch for his own story?

With apologies to Peter Scobic (of The New Republic):

“Ah ... Peter ... Franklin ... you’re not going to be able to write anymore after this ... you know that, right?”

re: #93 lawhawk

I'm not really missing that point, I just assume that LGF readers by now are aware that Foer has been lying non-stop from the very beginning of this scandal. Those documents released by Drudge are extremely damning; they show the backdoor maneuvering TNR tried to pull off very blatantly, and make the editors look like real creeps. I mean, threatening him with the disapproval of his own wife? And pressuring him not to talk to anyone else?

This is mainstream media at their worst, back-biting, threatening, and scheming, lying to the public, and stonewalling to the very end.

With additional apologies to Peter Scoblic (of The New Republic):
“Ah ... Peter ... Franklin ... you’re not going to be able to write anymore after this ... you know that, right?”

re: #129 Arbalest

With additional apologies to Peter Scoblic (of The New Republic):
“Ah ... Peter ... Franklin ... you’re not going to be able to write anymore after this ... you know that, right?”

Priceless

More claptrap:

TNR has endeavored with good faith to discover whether Beauchamp’s article contained inaccuracies and has repeatedly requested that the Army provide us with documentary evidence that it was fabricated or embellished. Instead of doing this, the Army leaked selective parts of the record—including a conversation that Beauchamp had with his lawyer—continuing a months-long pattern by which the Army has leaked information and misinformation to conservative bloggers while failing to help us with simple requests for documents.

a. It was up to TNR to prove this story was true (or at least plausibly true) before publishing it.

b. Speaking of documentary evidence, TNR's OWN expert on Bradley vehicles went on record and said it wasn't possible to do what Beauchamp claimed with a Bradley.

c. Since TNR is standing on the soapbox of "documentary evidence" where is TNR's proof that it was the Army who leaked these documents? I say someone within TNR leaked them. . .can they prove that they did not?

d. Since when is Drudge a "conservative blogger"? If conservative blogs have been following this fiasco, its because they're the only ones, apparently, interested in investigating deliberate slander of the US Military. The liberal blogs, just eat up the lies, no matter how implausible.

re: #12 DistantThunder

re: #3 Dead Sea Squirrel

Have they played the Rove card yet?

They are afraid of the mere mention of his name:

ROVE ROVE ROVE

BeetleRove?

Bush says BeetleRove 3 times real fast and nancy pelosi & dingy reid gets it upside the head with a cluebat.

BeettleRove: go ahead pelosi...make my millennium!

BeetleRove: My qualifications? well lets see...I've seen "All the Presidents Men" about 1000 times and it keeps getting funnier & funnier!...

Off Topic: New Definition of BDS

Read the comments in this blog to see Bobby Derangement Syndrome in full display from his fellow brown people.

[Link: www.sepiamutiny.com...]

Most of them are upset that he won as a conservative.

To be fair, there were a few defenders too.

re: #10 v the k

Y'all have heard by now, of course, about Air Amerika blaming Blackwater for the fires in Cullyforhnyuh.

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The people idiots at Air America radio have got to be the most ignorant psychotic paranoid in this country..well... besides A.Jones and his ilk...oh, wait...they are the same...sorry my mistake.

OK, now back to thread...S. Beauchamp should have been courts-martial-ed , then there would have been no doubt left for any of these media scum to try to build a case on. But no, they allowed him to stay in and try to rectify his mistakes...HAVE WE GOT A GREAT MILITARY OR WHAT? YES !

GOD BLESS OUR MILITARY AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE HELPING THEM !

I saw the documents and commented the other day about him being "mirandized." I'm retired military, so I'm familiar with the process. The document there was an advisement of his rights against compulsory self-incrimination under Article 31 of the Uniform Code of Militar Justice (UCMJ). It seems to me that Beauchump was the subject of an Administrative/Disciplinary procedure under Article 15 of the UCMJ (Office Hours, NJP, Captains Mast - pick your flavor, each branch calls it something else). If that's the case, the Army is prohibited from releasing any of their findings or the punishment as it was an administrative proceeding. If he were courts-martialed, then it's a public matter.
As the interview seemed to indicate, only Beauchump can give permission to release documents, which he doesn't seem to be doing. This frees TNR to beat the Army up, when they are bound by the rules of the game not to give in to their requests. They can't compel Beauchump to do it either.

re: #50 Ontheleftcoast

Reading the conference call transcript it appears that TNR doesn't get it that Beauchamp just wants to be in the Army and not a propogandist. He was doing it to please his wife and I think he really learned his lesson about manning up. Now if TNR could just man up.

Great headline writing Charles!

TNR: Gee Sarge, it's not me, everybody else is out of step.
/s

The old Clinton tactic...admit nothing, deny everything, and level counter accusations...these guys aren't sad, they're pathetic.